Baroness aims to tackle stereotypes during Keighley visit

A Keighley mosque found itself yesterday at the centre of a Government programme to counter people’s stereotypical views of various religions.

Faith and Communities Minister Baroness Warsi visited the Ahmadiyya mosque on the corner of Long Croft to promote a campaign to counterbalance popular fixation on differences between religious practices and cultures by highlighting the many similarities.

“When people talk about differences, they always focus on visual differences – such as the wearing of the veil,” she said.

“However an example of what I’m talking about is the 100th anniversary of the First World War, which some people think of it as just being a white people’s war, but it involved many soldiers from all the Commonwealth countries, something which will be emphasised next year.”

Mosque president Dr Aziz Hafiz was also keen to stress that issues facing Keighley and Britain concerned every branch and type of religion.

“It is a sworn article of faith for every Muslim to respect the laws and governments of whatever country they are living in,” Dr Hafiz said as Baroness Warsi and Keighley MP Kris Hopkins, arrived soon after prayers yesterday.

Baroness Warsi first had a discussion with women members of the 80-strong Ahmadiyya community in Keighley before joining men gathered in a downstairs room.

“I know Keighley very well as I once worked here as a criminal defence solicitor and also my family had friends here who we would visit,” she said.

“What are the things which are concerning you in Keighley and what can the Government do to help?”

Dr Hafiz said that one of the tenets of Ahmadiyya philosophy was to always work for the surrounding community.

“If we see litter on the street, we pick it up, we sell Remembrance poppies and raise money for Manorlands hospice,” he said. “We believe we are very lucky to live here and will do everything in our lives to try and make Keighley a better place.”

Dr Hafiz also pointed out that many of the problems facing Keighley and society in general did not stem from religions themselves, but rather from a lack of good moral behaviour.

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7:59am Sat 7 Dec 13

BD16 says...

Has the T&A's irony department deliberately placed this story directly below one about a 21 year old Asian lad, with drugs offences, who beat his sister up for breaking a moral code he had put in place. Her crime? Talking to a non family member on the phone.
Has the T&A's irony department deliberately placed this story directly below one about a 21 year old Asian lad, with drugs offences, who beat his sister up for breaking a moral code he had put in place. Her crime? Talking to a non family member on the phone. BD16

10:52am Sat 7 Dec 13

Albion. says...

The Ahmadiyya mosque and it's followers, might be regarded as a moderate or acceptable example by some. The majority though, belong to other factions that definitely aren't.
The Ahmadiyya mosque and it's followers, might be regarded as a moderate or acceptable example by some. The majority though, belong to other factions that definitely aren't. Albion.

11:48am Sat 7 Dec 13

The Hoffster says...

BD16 wrote:
Has the T&A's irony department deliberately placed this story directly below one about a 21 year old Asian lad, with drugs offences, who beat his sister up for breaking a moral code he had put in place. Her crime? Talking to a non family member on the phone.
Are you an Islamophobe ?
[quote][p][bold]BD16[/bold] wrote: Has the T&A's irony department deliberately placed this story directly below one about a 21 year old Asian lad, with drugs offences, who beat his sister up for breaking a moral code he had put in place. Her crime? Talking to a non family member on the phone.[/p][/quote]Are you an Islamophobe ? The Hoffster

11:48am Sat 7 Dec 13

The Hoffster says...

Albion. wrote:
The Ahmadiyya mosque and it's followers, might be regarded as a moderate or acceptable example by some. The majority though, belong to other factions that definitely aren't.
You mean the BNP/EDL scum ?
[quote][p][bold]Albion.[/bold] wrote: The Ahmadiyya mosque and it's followers, might be regarded as a moderate or acceptable example by some. The majority though, belong to other factions that definitely aren't.[/p][/quote]You mean the BNP/EDL scum ? The Hoffster

12:27pm Sat 7 Dec 13

BD16 says...

The Hoffster wrote:
BD16 wrote:
Has the T&A's irony department deliberately placed this story directly below one about a 21 year old Asian lad, with drugs offences, who beat his sister up for breaking a moral code he had put in place. Her crime? Talking to a non family member on the phone.
Are you an Islamophobe ?
No. Where did I mention religion?
[quote][p][bold]The Hoffster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BD16[/bold] wrote: Has the T&A's irony department deliberately placed this story directly below one about a 21 year old Asian lad, with drugs offences, who beat his sister up for breaking a moral code he had put in place. Her crime? Talking to a non family member on the phone.[/p][/quote]Are you an Islamophobe ?[/p][/quote]No. Where did I mention religion? BD16

1:51pm Sat 7 Dec 13

Ted Evans says...

The Hoffster wrote:
BD16 wrote:
Has the T&A's irony department deliberately placed this story directly below one about a 21 year old Asian lad, with drugs offences, who beat his sister up for breaking a moral code he had put in place. Her crime? Talking to a non family member on the phone.
Are you an Islamophobe ?
Shut up Cade you boring ****.
[quote][p][bold]The Hoffster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BD16[/bold] wrote: Has the T&A's irony department deliberately placed this story directly below one about a 21 year old Asian lad, with drugs offences, who beat his sister up for breaking a moral code he had put in place. Her crime? Talking to a non family member on the phone.[/p][/quote]Are you an Islamophobe ?[/p][/quote]Shut up Cade you boring ****. Ted Evans

2:53pm Sat 7 Dec 13

The Hoffster says...

BD16 wrote:
The Hoffster wrote:
BD16 wrote:
Has the T&A's irony department deliberately placed this story directly below one about a 21 year old Asian lad, with drugs offences, who beat his sister up for breaking a moral code he had put in place. Her crime? Talking to a non family member on the phone.
Are you an Islamophobe ?
No. Where did I mention religion?
You didn't need to.
[quote][p][bold]BD16[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Hoffster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BD16[/bold] wrote: Has the T&A's irony department deliberately placed this story directly below one about a 21 year old Asian lad, with drugs offences, who beat his sister up for breaking a moral code he had put in place. Her crime? Talking to a non family member on the phone.[/p][/quote]Are you an Islamophobe ?[/p][/quote]No. Where did I mention religion?[/p][/quote]You didn't need to. The Hoffster

3:39pm Sat 7 Dec 13

BD16 says...

The Hoffster wrote:
BD16 wrote:
The Hoffster wrote:
BD16 wrote:
Has the T&A's irony department deliberately placed this story directly below one about a 21 year old Asian lad, with drugs offences, who beat his sister up for breaking a moral code he had put in place. Her crime? Talking to a non family member on the phone.
Are you an Islamophobe ?
No. Where did I mention religion?
You didn't need to.
Believing that certain traits or characteristics are more common in a particular type of person is not a phobia. Many of the nicest people I have ever met have been Muslims, sadly, many of the worst have also been.
[quote][p][bold]The Hoffster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BD16[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Hoffster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BD16[/bold] wrote: Has the T&A's irony department deliberately placed this story directly below one about a 21 year old Asian lad, with drugs offences, who beat his sister up for breaking a moral code he had put in place. Her crime? Talking to a non family member on the phone.[/p][/quote]Are you an Islamophobe ?[/p][/quote]No. Where did I mention religion?[/p][/quote]You didn't need to.[/p][/quote]Believing that certain traits or characteristics are more common in a particular type of person is not a phobia. Many of the nicest people I have ever met have been Muslims, sadly, many of the worst have also been. BD16

4:59pm Sat 7 Dec 13

RollandSmoke says...

As the Tories offer their condolences following the death of Mandela we should not forget their support of the Apartheid regime. We should not forget their continued support of the Apartheid regime in Israel. We should not forget that the right wing has all the racist organisations supporting them. Anyone standing up to oppression is labeled a terrorist but without the oppression why the need for terrorism?. Did we learn nothing from Mandela? I will be keeping an eye on the Tory mouthpiece the Daily Mail to see exactly what effect this aim to tackle stereotypes has as it doesn't take a genius to see where these stereotypes are coming from. Off you go with the thumbs down you spineless Tory scum. I don't expect any of you to try and justify the unjustifiable, I know you can't. If you truely wish to tackle stereotypes have a good long word with yourselves.
As the Tories offer their condolences following the death of Mandela we should not forget their support of the Apartheid regime. We should not forget their continued support of the Apartheid regime in Israel. We should not forget that the right wing has all the racist organisations supporting them. Anyone standing up to oppression is labeled a terrorist but without the oppression why the need for terrorism?. Did we learn nothing from Mandela? I will be keeping an eye on the Tory mouthpiece the Daily Mail to see exactly what effect this aim to tackle stereotypes has as it doesn't take a genius to see where these stereotypes are coming from. Off you go with the thumbs down you spineless Tory scum. I don't expect any of you to try and justify the unjustifiable, I know you can't. If you truely wish to tackle stereotypes have a good long word with yourselves. RollandSmoke

5:01pm Sat 7 Dec 13

Secularist says...

Albion. wrote:
The Ahmadiyya mosque and it's followers, might be regarded as a moderate or acceptable example by some. The majority though, belong to other factions that definitely aren't.
Indeed the Ahmadis are regarded as heretics by most Muslims. See this quote from Wikepedia -" Approximately 2–5 million Ahmadis live in Pakistan and is the home to the largest population of Ahmadis in the world. It is the only state to have officially declared the Ahmadis to be non-Muslims as they do not regard the Prophet Muhammad to be the final prophet; here their freedom of religion has been curtailed by a series of ordinances, acts and constitutional amendments. In 1974, Pakistan's parliament adopted a law declaring Ahmadis to be non-Muslims; the country's constitution was amended to define a Muslim "as a person who believes in the finality of the Prophet Muhammad"."

http://en.wikipedia.
org/wiki/Ahmadi
[quote][p][bold]Albion.[/bold] wrote: The Ahmadiyya mosque and it's followers, might be regarded as a moderate or acceptable example by some. The majority though, belong to other factions that definitely aren't.[/p][/quote]Indeed the Ahmadis are regarded as heretics by most Muslims. See this quote from Wikepedia -" Approximately 2–5 million Ahmadis live in Pakistan[77][78][79][80] and is the home to the largest population of Ahmadis in the world. It is the only state to have officially declared the Ahmadis to be non-Muslims as they do not regard the Prophet Muhammad to be the final prophet;[72] here their freedom of religion has been curtailed by a series of ordinances, acts and constitutional amendments. In 1974, Pakistan's parliament adopted a law declaring Ahmadis to be non-Muslims;[81] the country's constitution was amended to define a Muslim "as a person who believes in the finality of the Prophet Muhammad"." http://en.wikipedia. org/wiki/Ahmadi Secularist

6:28pm Sat 7 Dec 13

The Hoffster says...

BD16 wrote:
The Hoffster wrote:
BD16 wrote:
The Hoffster wrote:
BD16 wrote:
Has the T&A's irony department deliberately placed this story directly below one about a 21 year old Asian lad, with drugs offences, who beat his sister up for breaking a moral code he had put in place. Her crime? Talking to a non family member on the phone.
Are you an Islamophobe ?
No. Where did I mention religion?
You didn't need to.
Believing that certain traits or characteristics are more common in a particular type of person is not a phobia. Many of the nicest people I have ever met have been Muslims, sadly, many of the worst have also been.
Your post sounds something like this :

"I'm not a racist.. I have black and asian friends...."

{rolleyes}
[quote][p][bold]BD16[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Hoffster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BD16[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Hoffster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BD16[/bold] wrote: Has the T&A's irony department deliberately placed this story directly below one about a 21 year old Asian lad, with drugs offences, who beat his sister up for breaking a moral code he had put in place. Her crime? Talking to a non family member on the phone.[/p][/quote]Are you an Islamophobe ?[/p][/quote]No. Where did I mention religion?[/p][/quote]You didn't need to.[/p][/quote]Believing that certain traits or characteristics are more common in a particular type of person is not a phobia. Many of the nicest people I have ever met have been Muslims, sadly, many of the worst have also been.[/p][/quote]Your post sounds something like this : "I'm not a racist.. I have black and asian friends...." {rolleyes} The Hoffster

7:19pm Sat 7 Dec 13

BD16 says...

The Hoffster wrote:
BD16 wrote:
The Hoffster wrote:
BD16 wrote:
The Hoffster wrote:
BD16 wrote:
Has the T&A's irony department deliberately placed this story directly below one about a 21 year old Asian lad, with drugs offences, who beat his sister up for breaking a moral code he had put in place. Her crime? Talking to a non family member on the phone.
Are you an Islamophobe ?
No. Where did I mention religion?
You didn't need to.
Believing that certain traits or characteristics are more common in a particular type of person is not a phobia. Many of the nicest people I have ever met have been Muslims, sadly, many of the worst have also been.
Your post sounds something like this :

"I'm not a racist.. I have black and asian friends...."

{rolleyes}
At one time I had plenty of Asian friends. Life changes, and even though I still see them around, I'd say they are more acquaintances these days.

Sorry to disappoint your stereotypical view of me.
[quote][p][bold]The Hoffster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BD16[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Hoffster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BD16[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Hoffster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BD16[/bold] wrote: Has the T&A's irony department deliberately placed this story directly below one about a 21 year old Asian lad, with drugs offences, who beat his sister up for breaking a moral code he had put in place. Her crime? Talking to a non family member on the phone.[/p][/quote]Are you an Islamophobe ?[/p][/quote]No. Where did I mention religion?[/p][/quote]You didn't need to.[/p][/quote]Believing that certain traits or characteristics are more common in a particular type of person is not a phobia. Many of the nicest people I have ever met have been Muslims, sadly, many of the worst have also been.[/p][/quote]Your post sounds something like this : "I'm not a racist.. I have black and asian friends...." {rolleyes}[/p][/quote]At one time I had plenty of Asian friends. Life changes, and even though I still see them around, I'd say they are more acquaintances these days. Sorry to disappoint your stereotypical view of me. BD16

9:22pm Sat 7 Dec 13

Tanya Hyde says...

You can never make Islam palatable. And Muslims can never be fully integrated humans. Look at Warsi herself. An educated woman placed by the British establishment in a position of minor authority, and the only thing she can do all the time is attempt to sell to the west the dogma of a mass murdering paedophile from the seventh century. What a waste of oxygen.
You can never make Islam palatable. And Muslims can never be fully integrated humans. Look at Warsi herself. An educated woman placed by the British establishment in a position of minor authority, and the only thing she can do all the time is attempt to sell to the west the dogma of a mass murdering paedophile from the seventh century. What a waste of oxygen. Tanya Hyde

11:58am Sun 8 Dec 13

The Hoffster says...

Tanya Hyde wrote:
You can never make Islam palatable. And Muslims can never be fully integrated humans. Look at Warsi herself. An educated woman placed by the British establishment in a position of minor authority, and the only thing she can do all the time is attempt to sell to the west the dogma of a mass murdering paedophile from the seventh century. What a waste of oxygen.
Be quiet, vile BNP/EDL scum.
[quote][p][bold]Tanya Hyde[/bold] wrote: You can never make Islam palatable. And Muslims can never be fully integrated humans. Look at Warsi herself. An educated woman placed by the British establishment in a position of minor authority, and the only thing she can do all the time is attempt to sell to the west the dogma of a mass murdering paedophile from the seventh century. What a waste of oxygen.[/p][/quote]Be quiet, vile BNP/EDL scum. The Hoffster

3:50pm Sun 8 Dec 13

lazybeat says...

Albion. wrote:
The Ahmadiyya mosque and it's followers, might be regarded as a moderate or acceptable example by some. The majority though, belong to other factions that definitely aren't.
neither are the evangelicals or catholics
[quote][p][bold]Albion.[/bold] wrote: The Ahmadiyya mosque and it's followers, might be regarded as a moderate or acceptable example by some. The majority though, belong to other factions that definitely aren't.[/p][/quote]neither are the evangelicals or catholics lazybeat

4:08pm Sun 8 Dec 13

Albion. says...

lazybeat wrote:
Albion. wrote:
The Ahmadiyya mosque and it's followers, might be regarded as a moderate or acceptable example by some. The majority though, belong to other factions that definitely aren't.
neither are the evangelicals or catholics
That's true (I have little time for ANY religious followings), but they aren't Islamic factions, which is what this is about.
[quote][p][bold]lazybeat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion.[/bold] wrote: The Ahmadiyya mosque and it's followers, might be regarded as a moderate or acceptable example by some. The majority though, belong to other factions that definitely aren't.[/p][/quote]neither are the evangelicals or catholics[/p][/quote]That's true (I have little time for ANY religious followings), but they aren't Islamic factions, which is what this is about. Albion.

7:44am Mon 9 Dec 13

Saltaire Bantam says...

How come Warsi had a discussion with the women and men separately. Why can't she speak to them both at the same time. This is supposed to be the 21st century and not the 7th!
How come Warsi had a discussion with the women and men separately. Why can't she speak to them both at the same time. This is supposed to be the 21st century and not the 7th! Saltaire Bantam

11:52am Mon 9 Dec 13

Zubair K Khan says...

. In 1974, Pakistan's parliament adopted a law declaring Ahmadis to be non-Muslims; the country's constitution was amended to define a Muslim "as a person who believes in the finality of the Prophet Muhammad".
This quote needs to be corrected. Ahmadiyya does believe in the finality of Prophet Mohammad (saw) but with different interpretation. So to quote Ahmadiyya does not believe is incorrect. What is the Ahmadiyya interpretation of finality is a lenghty discussion and if some one is intrereste it can be explained.
@Saltaire Bantam! Real teachings of Islam does not permit free mixing of men women. It has nothing to do with 21st or 22nd century. Why it is so can be explained if you are interested.
. In 1974, Pakistan's parliament adopted a law declaring Ahmadis to be non-Muslims; the country's constitution was amended to define a Muslim "as a person who believes in the finality of the Prophet Muhammad". This quote needs to be corrected. Ahmadiyya does believe in the finality of Prophet Mohammad (saw) but with different interpretation. So to quote Ahmadiyya does not believe is incorrect. What is the Ahmadiyya interpretation of finality is a lenghty discussion and if some one is intrereste it can be explained. @Saltaire Bantam! Real teachings of Islam does not permit free mixing of men women. It has nothing to do with 21st or 22nd century. Why it is so can be explained if you are interested. Zubair K Khan

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