Westfield unveils two more stores for Broadway

Bradford Telegraph and Argus: An artist’s impressions of the Westfield site An artist’s impressions of the Westfield site

Two further shop chains have announced they will open in the Bradford Broadway shopping centre as 200 local firms seeking contracts for the build prepare to meet developers Westfield next week.

Construction of the multi-million-pound city centre development is expected to create 1,500 jobs and companies will attend a Meet the Buyer event on Wednesday supported by Bradford Council.

Senior members of Westfield's design and construction team on the Bradford Broadway development will give a presentation to firms hoping to secure contracts and the company has again repeated its intention to start construction this year.

Ernest Jones, a new store to Bradford, and H.Samuel, which has a shop in Darley Street, are the latest tenants announced for the development.

They add to the River Island signing announced earlier this week. The store will expand into the Broadway site from its current location in the Kirkgate Centre. It is not yet known if H Samuel will close its existing shop in the city centre.

A spokesman for Signet, which represents both jewellers, said: “We continually re-assess our portfolio of stores on a store-by-store basis, particularly when individual store leases come up for renewal.”

Bradford Council leader David Green, said he “was clearly more than happy” at the announcement.

Meanwhile, Leeds City planning councillors meeting next Thursday to discuss plans to expand the White Rose shopping centre, near Leeds, will hear that Westfield is among objectors to the expansion. Plans for a multi-screen cinema, four new restaurants and the extension of the Debenhams and Primark stores, were unveiled in September 2012. The agenda for Thursday’s meeting says a letter of objection has been received on behalf of several developers and investors in Bradford city centre, including Westfield.

A spokesman for Westfield said: “Westfield, along with other Bradford developers, have objected to the planning application to extend the White Rose shopping centre on grounds of a harmful impact on Bradford city centre. The extension of White Rose, which is an out-of-town shopping centre, is contrary to the National Planning Policy Framework which is firmly focussed on prioritising and supporting town and city centres first.”

Coun Green said: “We’ve been concerned about the effect of the White Rose Centre on Bradford city centre since it got is original planning application. As a Council supported by traders in Bradford city centre, we’ve always raised concerns and objections to both the original development and any attempt to expand.”

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7:01am Thu 5 Dec 13

Albion. says...

Ernest Jones are good quality shops and must be considered a welcome addition, it reminds me though of all the other quality jewellers who have disappeared from Bradford. I suspect H Samuel are just taking advantage of the inducements to move and will probably abandon their Darley Street store.
Ernest Jones are good quality shops and must be considered a welcome addition, it reminds me though of all the other quality jewellers who have disappeared from Bradford. I suspect H Samuel are just taking advantage of the inducements to move and will probably abandon their Darley Street store. Albion.

7:50am Thu 5 Dec 13

angry bradfordian says...

"A spokesman for Westfield said: “Westfield, along with other Bradford developers, have objected to the planning application to extend the White Rose shopping centre on grounds of a harmful impact on Bradford city centre"

I'm amazed that Westfield have the nerve to suggest that anyone else has had a more harmful impact of Bradford city centre than they have!
They can't be too confident about how good their shopping centre is going to be if they are worried about people driving half an hour further to visit an extended White Rose!
"A spokesman for Westfield said: “Westfield, along with other Bradford developers, have objected to the planning application to extend the White Rose shopping centre on grounds of a harmful impact on Bradford city centre" I'm amazed that Westfield have the nerve to suggest that anyone else has had a more harmful impact of Bradford city centre than they have! They can't be too confident about how good their shopping centre is going to be if they are worried about people driving half an hour further to visit an extended White Rose! angry bradfordian

7:58am Thu 5 Dec 13

Thee Voice of Reason says...

Why have you left the following out of your story which was in the objection letter to Leeds council?

Developer and Leeds’ retail consultant both assume that Broadway scheme is fully committed and will go ahead, but this is incorrect." 

Thats a rather important piece you don't seem to want the Bradford public to see.
Why have you left the following out of your story which was in the objection letter to Leeds council? Developer and Leeds’ retail consultant both assume that Broadway scheme is fully committed and will go ahead, but this is incorrect."  Thats a rather important piece you don't seem to want the Bradford public to see. Thee Voice of Reason

8:40am Thu 5 Dec 13

bd7 helper says...

Just excuses
Just excuses bd7 helper

8:42am Thu 5 Dec 13

collos25 says...

The T&A is very selective in what it prints do nor forget the rather large financial tie up with Bradford Council.They also fail to mention if the building work takes place those with existing shops in Bradford will close them down when they move into the new development .
The T&A is very selective in what it prints do nor forget the rather large financial tie up with Bradford Council.They also fail to mention if the building work takes place those with existing shops in Bradford will close them down when they move into the new development . collos25

8:47am Thu 5 Dec 13

Pondlover says...

So the nett benefit after over a decade is 1 x Debenhams? Wow! All the other stores will simply close their existing premises hastening the centres decline, cutting off Little Germany (again) and removing Bradford's only unique asset, city centre space for "something", forever.

It's another no news "story", Ernest Jones and H Samuel are actually the same business, owned by Signet & catering for the lower end of the market.
So the nett benefit after over a decade is 1 x Debenhams? Wow! All the other stores will simply close their existing premises hastening the centres decline, cutting off Little Germany (again) and removing Bradford's only unique asset, city centre space for "something", forever. It's another no news "story", Ernest Jones and H Samuel are actually the same business, owned by Signet & catering for the lower end of the market. Pondlover

8:48am Thu 5 Dec 13

food_for_thought says...

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
Why have you left the following out of your story which was in the objection letter to Leeds council?

Developer and Leeds’ retail consultant both assume that Broadway scheme is fully committed and will go ahead, but this is incorrect."&nbs
p;

Thats a rather important piece you don't seem to want the Bradford public to see.
TVOR - Just spent a fascinating half-hour looking through objection letters to the White Rose expansion application. Have been unable to find your quotation in any document - admittedly there are qute a few - so would you mind providing title and date of the objection document....?
[quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: Why have you left the following out of your story which was in the objection letter to Leeds council? Developer and Leeds’ retail consultant both assume that Broadway scheme is fully committed and will go ahead, but this is incorrect."&nbs p; Thats a rather important piece you don't seem to want the Bradford public to see.[/p][/quote]TVOR - Just spent a fascinating half-hour looking through objection letters to the White Rose expansion application. Have been unable to find your quotation in any document - admittedly there are qute a few - so would you mind providing title and date of the objection document....? food_for_thought

8:48am Thu 5 Dec 13

SinnerSaint says...

collos25 wrote:
The T&A is very selective in what it prints do nor forget the rather large financial tie up with Bradford Council.They also fail to mention if the building work takes place those with existing shops in Bradford will close them down when they move into the new development .
True. Whatever happens, parts of the centre will be screwed. I've mentioned before the lack of an overall plan for the city centre as a whole: 3 year, 5 year, seven year. Our council is clueless and their lack of vision and planning is nothing short of neglect.
[quote][p][bold]collos25[/bold] wrote: The T&A is very selective in what it prints do nor forget the rather large financial tie up with Bradford Council.They also fail to mention if the building work takes place those with existing shops in Bradford will close them down when they move into the new development .[/p][/quote]True. Whatever happens, parts of the centre will be screwed. I've mentioned before the lack of an overall plan for the city centre as a whole: 3 year, 5 year, seven year. Our council is clueless and their lack of vision and planning is nothing short of neglect. SinnerSaint

9:00am Thu 5 Dec 13

Thee Voice of Reason says...

food_for_thought wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote: Why have you left the following out of your story which was in the objection letter to Leeds council? Developer and Leeds’ retail consultant both assume that Broadway scheme is fully committed and will go ahead, but this is incorrect."&amp
;nbs p; Thats a rather important piece you don't seem to want the Bradford public to see.
TVOR - Just spent a fascinating half-hour looking through objection letters to the White Rose expansion application. Have been unable to find your quotation in any document - admittedly there are qute a few - so would you mind providing title and date of the objection document....?
Here you go,

http://democracy.lee
ds.gov.uk/documents/
g6311/Public%20repor
ts%20pack%2012th-Dec
-2013%2013.30%20City
%20Plans%20Panel.pdf
?T=10

Document pages 33 & 34, with the quote I mention being under point 6.14 bullet point 3.

Hope that helps.
[quote][p][bold]food_for_thought[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: Why have you left the following out of your story which was in the objection letter to Leeds council? Developer and Leeds’ retail consultant both assume that Broadway scheme is fully committed and will go ahead, but this is incorrect."& ;nbs p; Thats a rather important piece you don't seem to want the Bradford public to see.[/p][/quote]TVOR - Just spent a fascinating half-hour looking through objection letters to the White Rose expansion application. Have been unable to find your quotation in any document - admittedly there are qute a few - so would you mind providing title and date of the objection document....?[/p][/quote]Here you go, http://democracy.lee ds.gov.uk/documents/ g6311/Public%20repor ts%20pack%2012th-Dec -2013%2013.30%20City %20Plans%20Panel.pdf ?T=10 Document pages 33 & 34, with the quote I mention being under point 6.14 bullet point 3. Hope that helps. Thee Voice of Reason

9:08am Thu 5 Dec 13

Pondlover says...

Very interesting link & letter content TVOR, thank you. It shows clearly that certain council mouthpieces and Westfield are lying to us. Either in their public announcements, or, in that letter.

On one hand we are promised that "Construction would commence", that is not weed pulling or litter gathering, in 2013. Yet in that letter, the very same people are admitting that it may not go ahead.
Very interesting link & letter content TVOR, thank you. It shows clearly that certain council mouthpieces and Westfield are lying to us. Either in their public announcements, or, in that letter. On one hand we are promised that "Construction would commence", that is not weed pulling or litter gathering, in 2013. Yet in that letter, the very same people are admitting that it may not go ahead. Pondlover

9:09am Thu 5 Dec 13

Pondlover says...

Keep that link folks, who knows how long it'll remain on here!
Keep that link folks, who knows how long it'll remain on here! Pondlover

9:17am Thu 5 Dec 13

mr.bradford says...

i can confirm that construction works will have started by the end of this year and the shopping center will be open to the public by christmas.. 2023
i can confirm that construction works will have started by the end of this year and the shopping center will be open to the public by christmas.. 2023 mr.bradford

9:27am Thu 5 Dec 13

Avro says...

Albion. wrote:
Ernest Jones are good quality shops and must be considered a welcome addition, it reminds me though of all the other quality jewellers who have disappeared from Bradford. I suspect H Samuel are just taking advantage of the inducements to move and will probably abandon their Darley Street store.
Darley St willend up decimated, as the M&S unit will also need to be filled. Westfield could kill off Kirkgate
[quote][p][bold]Albion.[/bold] wrote: Ernest Jones are good quality shops and must be considered a welcome addition, it reminds me though of all the other quality jewellers who have disappeared from Bradford. I suspect H Samuel are just taking advantage of the inducements to move and will probably abandon their Darley Street store.[/p][/quote]Darley St willend up decimated, as the M&S unit will also need to be filled. Westfield could kill off Kirkgate Avro

9:28am Thu 5 Dec 13

Joedavid says...

mr.bradford wrote:
i can confirm that construction works will have started by the end of this year and the shopping center will be open to the public by christmas.. 2023
That soon?
:-)
[quote][p][bold]mr.bradford[/bold] wrote: i can confirm that construction works will have started by the end of this year and the shopping center will be open to the public by christmas.. 2023[/p][/quote]That soon? :-) Joedavid

9:31am Thu 5 Dec 13

Avro says...

mr.bradford wrote:
i can confirm that construction works will have started by the end of this year and the shopping center will be open to the public by christmas.. 2023
Construction will NOT start by the end of 2013 and you could well be right about it being complete by 2023 lol
[quote][p][bold]mr.bradford[/bold] wrote: i can confirm that construction works will have started by the end of this year and the shopping center will be open to the public by christmas.. 2023[/p][/quote]Construction will NOT start by the end of 2013 and you could well be right about it being complete by 2023 lol Avro

9:33am Thu 5 Dec 13

OLDLAD says...

Delivery of Broadway scheme is at a critical stage and there is seri
ous risk to
its timely implementation. Developer and Leeds’ retail consu
ltant both
assume that Broadway scheme is fully committed and will go ahead, b
ut this
is incorrect. It's all been lies by the council.
Delivery of Broadway scheme is at a critical stage and there is seri ous risk to its timely implementation. Developer and Leeds’ retail consu ltant both assume that Broadway scheme is fully committed and will go ahead, b ut this is incorrect. It's all been lies by the council. OLDLAD

9:34am Thu 5 Dec 13

Joedavid says...

I'm interested in the T&A picture above as I had not realised the Westfields shopping centre wasn't going to be in one building.
All other shopping centres I have been in are one large indoor site no getting wet from going from one store to another.
I'm interested in the T&A picture above as I had not realised the Westfields shopping centre wasn't going to be in one building. All other shopping centres I have been in are one large indoor site no getting wet from going from one store to another. Joedavid

9:37am Thu 5 Dec 13

Bacon Bantam says...

OLDLAD wrote:
Delivery of Broadway scheme is at a critical stage and there is seri ous risk to its timely implementation. Developer and Leeds’ retail consu ltant both assume that Broadway scheme is fully committed and will go ahead, b ut this is incorrect. It's all been lies by the council.
You wonder why the T&A refer to that document but leave that statement out of their story. Why are they hiding what Westfield must have stated in their objection otherwise they would be lying in their objection on a public document.
[quote][p][bold]OLDLAD[/bold] wrote: Delivery of Broadway scheme is at a critical stage and there is seri ous risk to its timely implementation. Developer and Leeds’ retail consu ltant both assume that Broadway scheme is fully committed and will go ahead, b ut this is incorrect. It's all been lies by the council.[/p][/quote]You wonder why the T&A refer to that document but leave that statement out of their story. Why are they hiding what Westfield must have stated in their objection otherwise they would be lying in their objection on a public document. Bacon Bantam

9:42am Thu 5 Dec 13

Avro says...

Pondlover wrote:
Very interesting link & letter content TVOR, thank you. It shows clearly that certain council mouthpieces and Westfield are lying to us. Either in their public announcements, or, in that letter.

On one hand we are promised that "Construction would commence", that is not weed pulling or litter gathering, in 2013. Yet in that letter, the very same people are admitting that it may not go ahead.
I bet Debenhams are not too happy about Westfield objecting to the White Rose expansion (which includes the expansion of Debenhams), considering that Debenhams is an anchor for Westfield Broadway.
[quote][p][bold]Pondlover[/bold] wrote: Very interesting link & letter content TVOR, thank you. It shows clearly that certain council mouthpieces and Westfield are lying to us. Either in their public announcements, or, in that letter. On one hand we are promised that "Construction would commence", that is not weed pulling or litter gathering, in 2013. Yet in that letter, the very same people are admitting that it may not go ahead.[/p][/quote]I bet Debenhams are not too happy about Westfield objecting to the White Rose expansion (which includes the expansion of Debenhams), considering that Debenhams is an anchor for Westfield Broadway. Avro

9:44am Thu 5 Dec 13

Avro says...

Joedavid wrote:
I'm interested in the T&A picture above as I had not realised the Westfields shopping centre wasn't going to be in one building.
All other shopping centres I have been in are one large indoor site no getting wet from going from one store to another.
Suggest you take a look at the Westfield web site..

http://www.bradfordb
roadwaydevelopment.c
o.uk/
[quote][p][bold]Joedavid[/bold] wrote: I'm interested in the T&A picture above as I had not realised the Westfields shopping centre wasn't going to be in one building. All other shopping centres I have been in are one large indoor site no getting wet from going from one store to another.[/p][/quote]Suggest you take a look at the Westfield web site.. http://www.bradfordb roadwaydevelopment.c o.uk/ Avro

10:11am Thu 5 Dec 13

bcfc1903 says...

Excellent news, Ernest Jones Jewllers sells quality merchandise so this has to be a welcome addition to the Westfield shopping centre. Hopefully the signs are good that the beginning of construction is immanent. Hopefully the Odeon building will also be refurbished back into a world class concert and conference centre. Some more good news that would certainly be.
Excellent news, Ernest Jones Jewllers sells quality merchandise so this has to be a welcome addition to the Westfield shopping centre. Hopefully the signs are good that the beginning of construction is immanent. Hopefully the Odeon building will also be refurbished back into a world class concert and conference centre. Some more good news that would certainly be. bcfc1903

10:12am Thu 5 Dec 13

Joedavid says...

Avro wrote:
Joedavid wrote:
I'm interested in the T&A picture above as I had not realised the Westfields shopping centre wasn't going to be in one building.
All other shopping centres I have been in are one large indoor site no getting wet from going from one store to another.
Suggest you take a look at the Westfield web site..

http://www.bradfordb

roadwaydevelopment.c

o.uk/
"Sorry
Because of its privacy settings, this video cannot be played here."

Got the same picture as here, but looking at the aerial one had not realised the gaps in the buildings went right down to road level. Gives the impression that ground floor is completely one.
[quote][p][bold]Avro[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Joedavid[/bold] wrote: I'm interested in the T&A picture above as I had not realised the Westfields shopping centre wasn't going to be in one building. All other shopping centres I have been in are one large indoor site no getting wet from going from one store to another.[/p][/quote]Suggest you take a look at the Westfield web site.. http://www.bradfordb roadwaydevelopment.c o.uk/[/p][/quote]"Sorry Because of its privacy settings, this video cannot be played here." Got the same picture as here, but looking at the aerial one had not realised the gaps in the buildings went right down to road level. Gives the impression that ground floor is completely one. Joedavid

10:31am Thu 5 Dec 13

Pondlover says...

Again..............H Samuel and E Jones are the same business but with slightly different stock profiles, the former competes with the likes of markets, Tesco and Argus, the latter a little higher up.
Again..............H Samuel and E Jones are the same business but with slightly different stock profiles, the former competes with the likes of markets, Tesco and Argus, the latter a little higher up. Pondlover

10:38am Thu 5 Dec 13

Albion. says...

Pondlover wrote:
So the nett benefit after over a decade is 1 x Debenhams? Wow! All the other stores will simply close their existing premises hastening the centres decline, cutting off Little Germany (again) and removing Bradford's only unique asset, city centre space for "something", forever.

It's another no news "story", Ernest Jones and H Samuel are actually the same business, owned by Signet & catering for the lower end of the market.
http://www.ernestjon
es.co.uk/

There are certainly more exclusive jewellers than Ernest Jones, but I wouldn't exactly describe them as "lower end", H Samuel are definitely lower end.
[quote][p][bold]Pondlover[/bold] wrote: So the nett benefit after over a decade is 1 x Debenhams? Wow! All the other stores will simply close their existing premises hastening the centres decline, cutting off Little Germany (again) and removing Bradford's only unique asset, city centre space for "something", forever. It's another no news "story", Ernest Jones and H Samuel are actually the same business, owned by Signet & catering for the lower end of the market.[/p][/quote]http://www.ernestjon es.co.uk/ There are certainly more exclusive jewellers than Ernest Jones, but I wouldn't exactly describe them as "lower end", H Samuel are definitely lower end. Albion.

10:44am Thu 5 Dec 13

bcfc1903 says...

You can buy Gucci £1200 watches at E Jones....well above Tesco's I'd say.
You can buy Gucci £1200 watches at E Jones....well above Tesco's I'd say. bcfc1903

10:56am Thu 5 Dec 13

Joedavid says...

bcfc1903 wrote:
You can buy Gucci £1200 watches at E Jones....well above Tesco's I'd say.
Could be same watch quality inside the case.
[quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: You can buy Gucci £1200 watches at E Jones....well above Tesco's I'd say.[/p][/quote]Could be same watch quality inside the case. Joedavid

11:08am Thu 5 Dec 13

SinnerSaint says...

bcfc1903 wrote:
You can buy Gucci £1200 watches at E Jones....well above Tesco's I'd say.
Something else for you to buy in your weekly shop LOL!
[quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: You can buy Gucci £1200 watches at E Jones....well above Tesco's I'd say.[/p][/quote]Something else for you to buy in your weekly shop LOL! SinnerSaint

11:10am Thu 5 Dec 13

SinnerSaint says...

SinnerSaint wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote:
You can buy Gucci £1200 watches at E Jones....well above Tesco's I'd say.
Something else for you to buy in your weekly shop LOL!
And obviously the Gucci watches in Bradford will be much cheaper than in Leeds or Manchester according to your logic?!!
[quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: You can buy Gucci £1200 watches at E Jones....well above Tesco's I'd say.[/p][/quote]Something else for you to buy in your weekly shop LOL![/p][/quote]And obviously the Gucci watches in Bradford will be much cheaper than in Leeds or Manchester according to your logic?!! SinnerSaint

11:28am Thu 5 Dec 13

bcfc1903 says...

SinnerSaint wrote:
SinnerSaint wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote:
You can buy Gucci £1200 watches at E Jones....well above Tesco's I'd say.
Something else for you to buy in your weekly shop LOL!
And obviously the Gucci watches in Bradford will be much cheaper than in Leeds or Manchester according to your logic?!!
Hopefully Westfield will be built then retail outlets like this will give everyone more choice.............t
o go to Manchester to shop would in travel expenses alone be more expensive.
[quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: You can buy Gucci £1200 watches at E Jones....well above Tesco's I'd say.[/p][/quote]Something else for you to buy in your weekly shop LOL![/p][/quote]And obviously the Gucci watches in Bradford will be much cheaper than in Leeds or Manchester according to your logic?!![/p][/quote]Hopefully Westfield will be built then retail outlets like this will give everyone more choice.............t o go to Manchester to shop would in travel expenses alone be more expensive. bcfc1903

11:34am Thu 5 Dec 13

Albion. says...

bcfc1903 wrote:
SinnerSaint wrote:
SinnerSaint wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote:
You can buy Gucci £1200 watches at E Jones....well above Tesco's I'd say.
Something else for you to buy in your weekly shop LOL!
And obviously the Gucci watches in Bradford will be much cheaper than in Leeds or Manchester according to your logic?!!
Hopefully Westfield will be built then retail outlets like this will give everyone more choice.............t

o go to Manchester to shop would in travel expenses alone be more expensive.
Because Manchester and Leeds have significantly more than one shopping centre. Westfield is in danger of becoming an oasis in the desert.
Personally I prefer to shop in places like Harrogate, Leeds and even Skipton, as I feel more comfortable in those places.
Each to their own though. ;-)
[quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: You can buy Gucci £1200 watches at E Jones....well above Tesco's I'd say.[/p][/quote]Something else for you to buy in your weekly shop LOL![/p][/quote]And obviously the Gucci watches in Bradford will be much cheaper than in Leeds or Manchester according to your logic?!![/p][/quote]Hopefully Westfield will be built then retail outlets like this will give everyone more choice.............t o go to Manchester to shop would in travel expenses alone be more expensive.[/p][/quote]Because Manchester and Leeds have significantly more than one shopping centre. Westfield is in danger of becoming an oasis in the desert. Personally I prefer to shop in places like Harrogate, Leeds and even Skipton, as I feel more comfortable in those places. Each to their own though. ;-) Albion.

11:47am Thu 5 Dec 13

BaildonGuy says...

Bacon Bantam wrote:
OLDLAD wrote:
Delivery of Broadway scheme is at a critical stage and there is seri ous risk to its timely implementation. Developer and Leeds’ retail consu ltant both assume that Broadway scheme is fully committed and will go ahead, b ut this is incorrect. It's all been lies by the council.
You wonder why the T&A refer to that document but leave that statement out of their story. Why are they hiding what Westfield must have stated in their objection otherwise they would be lying in their objection on a public document.
The content of the stories the T&A chooses to report can be highly selective. With the paternalism that comes of being such a long standing institution they believe that the city's interests are sometimes best served by not rocking the boat.

This Westfield omission is typical. As was the real reason for Paul Flowers' resignation when it was first reported and the silence on the recent questions in parliament about Bradford's planning service.
[quote][p][bold]Bacon Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OLDLAD[/bold] wrote: Delivery of Broadway scheme is at a critical stage and there is seri ous risk to its timely implementation. Developer and Leeds’ retail consu ltant both assume that Broadway scheme is fully committed and will go ahead, b ut this is incorrect. It's all been lies by the council.[/p][/quote]You wonder why the T&A refer to that document but leave that statement out of their story. Why are they hiding what Westfield must have stated in their objection otherwise they would be lying in their objection on a public document.[/p][/quote]The content of the stories the T&A chooses to report can be highly selective. With the paternalism that comes of being such a long standing institution they believe that the city's interests are sometimes best served by not rocking the boat. This Westfield omission is typical. As was the real reason for Paul Flowers' resignation when it was first reported and the silence on the recent questions in parliament about Bradford's planning service. BaildonGuy

11:48am Thu 5 Dec 13

bcfc1903 says...

Yeah ...I'm the same regarding Bradford city centre, It's very relaxing shopping there, very laid back which is how we like it. Whether Westfield is built or not, we'll continue to shop in Bradford and it's city centre..whether that's buying a new car or a simple weekly shop. Obviously more choice would be great, I guess that's where Broadway will excel...when it's built. Bradford has more than one shopping centre at the minute, Kirkgate and Forster Square retail park. :-)
Yeah ...I'm the same regarding Bradford city centre, It's very relaxing shopping there, very laid back which is how we like it. Whether Westfield is built or not, we'll continue to shop in Bradford and it's city centre..whether that's buying a new car or a simple weekly shop. Obviously more choice would be great, I guess that's where Broadway will excel...when it's built. Bradford has more than one shopping centre at the minute, Kirkgate and Forster Square retail park. :-) bcfc1903

11:49am Thu 5 Dec 13

bcfc1903 says...

The above is a reply to Albion,
The above is a reply to Albion, bcfc1903

12:27pm Thu 5 Dec 13

Pondlover says...

I was in Huddersfield, it's leaving us behind, it has 4 major multi-million £ projects happening right now, not in a planners dream, on top of what is already an immeasurably better retail offering.

I've always accepted that Bradford's retail decline is a direct consequence of the rise of Leeds, but yesterday it struck me that Hudders not only has Leeds to compete with, but Machesterer as well, yet it appears to be doing pretty well. In fact, it had plans for new arena too, I hope Bradford gets in soonish with the Odeon!

How people think it is managing to do this? Serious question.
I was in Huddersfield, it's leaving us behind, it has 4 major multi-million £ projects happening right now, not in a planners dream, on top of what is already an immeasurably better retail offering. I've always accepted that Bradford's retail decline is a direct consequence of the rise of Leeds, but yesterday it struck me that Hudders not only has Leeds to compete with, but Machesterer as well, yet it appears to be doing pretty well. In fact, it had plans for new arena too, I hope Bradford gets in soonish with the Odeon! How people think it is managing to do this? Serious question. Pondlover

12:37pm Thu 5 Dec 13

linebacker2 says...

bcfc1903 wrote:
You can buy Gucci £1200 watches at E Jones....well above Tesco's I'd say.
According to research. The most common watch worn by the genuinely wealthy is a Casio - Roman Abramovich wears a £30 polar watch. The Guccis, Breitlings etc are worn by wannabees and are ussually bought on credit
[quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: You can buy Gucci £1200 watches at E Jones....well above Tesco's I'd say.[/p][/quote]According to research. The most common watch worn by the genuinely wealthy is a Casio - Roman Abramovich wears a £30 polar watch. The Guccis, Breitlings etc are worn by wannabees and are ussually bought on credit linebacker2

12:52pm Thu 5 Dec 13

C.T.I.D says...

I doubt the expansion of 2 stores and 4 new restaurants at white rose will damage Bradford too much.
I doubt the expansion of 2 stores and 4 new restaurants at white rose will damage Bradford too much. C.T.I.D

12:53pm Thu 5 Dec 13

collos25 says...

bcfc1903 wrote:
Excellent news, Ernest Jones Jewllers sells quality merchandise so this has to be a welcome addition to the Westfield shopping centre. Hopefully the signs are good that the beginning of construction is immanent. Hopefully the Odeon building will also be refurbished back into a world class concert and conference centre. Some more good news that would certainly be.
You must be in a different universe to the rest of the population if you thing EJs sell quality merchandise they maybe overpriced but quality never they sell cheap tat.
[quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: Excellent news, Ernest Jones Jewllers sells quality merchandise so this has to be a welcome addition to the Westfield shopping centre. Hopefully the signs are good that the beginning of construction is immanent. Hopefully the Odeon building will also be refurbished back into a world class concert and conference centre. Some more good news that would certainly be.[/p][/quote]You must be in a different universe to the rest of the population if you thing EJs sell quality merchandise they maybe overpriced but quality never they sell cheap tat. collos25

12:55pm Thu 5 Dec 13

Prisoner Cell Block A says...

bcfc1903 wrote:
SinnerSaint wrote:
SinnerSaint wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote:
You can buy Gucci £1200 watches at E Jones....well above Tesco's I'd say.
Something else for you to buy in your weekly shop LOL!
And obviously the Gucci watches in Bradford will be much cheaper than in Leeds or Manchester according to your logic?!!
Hopefully Westfield will be built then retail outlets like this will give everyone more choice.............t

o go to Manchester to shop would in travel expenses alone be more expensive.
£7-50 return for a much better, brighter, cleaner shopping experience.

And Affleck's Palace is there
[quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: You can buy Gucci £1200 watches at E Jones....well above Tesco's I'd say.[/p][/quote]Something else for you to buy in your weekly shop LOL![/p][/quote]And obviously the Gucci watches in Bradford will be much cheaper than in Leeds or Manchester according to your logic?!![/p][/quote]Hopefully Westfield will be built then retail outlets like this will give everyone more choice.............t o go to Manchester to shop would in travel expenses alone be more expensive.[/p][/quote]£7-50 return for a much better, brighter, cleaner shopping experience. And Affleck's Palace is there Prisoner Cell Block A

1:03pm Thu 5 Dec 13

RuggerTyke says...

C.T.I.D wrote:
I doubt the expansion of 2 stores and 4 new restaurants at white rose will damage Bradford too much.
Not as if Trinity or the forthcoming Eastern Quarter have .. smokes and mirrors.
[quote][p][bold]C.T.I.D[/bold] wrote: I doubt the expansion of 2 stores and 4 new restaurants at white rose will damage Bradford too much.[/p][/quote]Not as if Trinity or the forthcoming Eastern Quarter have .. smokes and mirrors. RuggerTyke

1:25pm Thu 5 Dec 13

bcfc1903 says...

Pondlover wrote:
I was in Huddersfield, it's leaving us behind, it has 4 major multi-million £ projects happening right now, not in a planners dream, on top of what is already an immeasurably better retail offering.

I've always accepted that Bradford's retail decline is a direct consequence of the rise of Leeds, but yesterday it struck me that Hudders not only has Leeds to compete with, but Machesterer as well, yet it appears to be doing pretty well. In fact, it had plans for new arena too, I hope Bradford gets in soonish with the Odeon!

How people think it is managing to do this? Serious question.
Hudds and an Arena...no doubt built by Maccano:-)
[quote][p][bold]Pondlover[/bold] wrote: I was in Huddersfield, it's leaving us behind, it has 4 major multi-million £ projects happening right now, not in a planners dream, on top of what is already an immeasurably better retail offering. I've always accepted that Bradford's retail decline is a direct consequence of the rise of Leeds, but yesterday it struck me that Hudders not only has Leeds to compete with, but Machesterer as well, yet it appears to be doing pretty well. In fact, it had plans for new arena too, I hope Bradford gets in soonish with the Odeon! How people think it is managing to do this? Serious question.[/p][/quote]Hudds and an Arena...no doubt built by Maccano:-) bcfc1903

1:25pm Thu 5 Dec 13

bcfc1903 says...

Pondlover wrote:
I was in Huddersfield, it's leaving us behind, it has 4 major multi-million £ projects happening right now, not in a planners dream, on top of what is already an immeasurably better retail offering.

I've always accepted that Bradford's retail decline is a direct consequence of the rise of Leeds, but yesterday it struck me that Hudders not only has Leeds to compete with, but Machesterer as well, yet it appears to be doing pretty well. In fact, it had plans for new arena too, I hope Bradford gets in soonish with the Odeon!

How people think it is managing to do this? Serious question.
Hudds and an Arena...no doubt built by Maccano:-)
[quote][p][bold]Pondlover[/bold] wrote: I was in Huddersfield, it's leaving us behind, it has 4 major multi-million £ projects happening right now, not in a planners dream, on top of what is already an immeasurably better retail offering. I've always accepted that Bradford's retail decline is a direct consequence of the rise of Leeds, but yesterday it struck me that Hudders not only has Leeds to compete with, but Machesterer as well, yet it appears to be doing pretty well. In fact, it had plans for new arena too, I hope Bradford gets in soonish with the Odeon! How people think it is managing to do this? Serious question.[/p][/quote]Hudds and an Arena...no doubt built by Maccano:-) bcfc1903

1:30pm Thu 5 Dec 13

bcfc1903 says...

Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote:
SinnerSaint wrote:
SinnerSaint wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote:
You can buy Gucci £1200 watches at E Jones....well above Tesco's I'd say.
Something else for you to buy in your weekly shop LOL!
And obviously the Gucci watches in Bradford will be much cheaper than in Leeds or Manchester according to your logic?!!
Hopefully Westfield will be built then retail outlets like this will give everyone more choice.............t


o go to Manchester to shop would in travel expenses alone be more expensive.
£7-50 return for a much better, brighter, cleaner shopping experience.

And Affleck's Palace is there
Did go once to buy a Gibson Les Paul....Manchester that is, looked a decent shopping experience....unfort
unately got a parking ticket...my fault of course. Last words to my son, we be long.... lol
[quote][p][bold]Prisoner Cell Block A[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: You can buy Gucci £1200 watches at E Jones....well above Tesco's I'd say.[/p][/quote]Something else for you to buy in your weekly shop LOL![/p][/quote]And obviously the Gucci watches in Bradford will be much cheaper than in Leeds or Manchester according to your logic?!![/p][/quote]Hopefully Westfield will be built then retail outlets like this will give everyone more choice.............t o go to Manchester to shop would in travel expenses alone be more expensive.[/p][/quote]£7-50 return for a much better, brighter, cleaner shopping experience. And Affleck's Palace is there[/p][/quote]Did go once to buy a Gibson Les Paul....Manchester that is, looked a decent shopping experience....unfort unately got a parking ticket...my fault of course. Last words to my son, we be long.... lol bcfc1903

1:32pm Thu 5 Dec 13

linebacker2 says...

C.T.I.D wrote:
I doubt the expansion of 2 stores and 4 new restaurants at white rose will damage Bradford too much.
Many Leeds folk call it the "White Trash Centre" :-)

Might be OK for a lunchtime snack, but couldn't see anyone wanting an evening meal in a restaurant there...
[quote][p][bold]C.T.I.D[/bold] wrote: I doubt the expansion of 2 stores and 4 new restaurants at white rose will damage Bradford too much.[/p][/quote]Many Leeds folk call it the "White Trash Centre" :-) Might be OK for a lunchtime snack, but couldn't see anyone wanting an evening meal in a restaurant there... linebacker2

1:36pm Thu 5 Dec 13

bcfc1903 says...

Obviously Bradford district produces many fine musicians...how about a Dawson's opening up in Broadway shopping centre. It's ridiculous that you can't buy a new Gibson in a city of half a million +.
Obviously Bradford district produces many fine musicians...how about a Dawson's opening up in Broadway shopping centre. It's ridiculous that you can't buy a new Gibson in a city of half a million +. bcfc1903

1:38pm Thu 5 Dec 13

bcfc1903 says...

bcfc1903 wrote:
Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote:
SinnerSaint wrote:
SinnerSaint wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote:
You can buy Gucci £1200 watches at E Jones....well above Tesco's I'd say.
Something else for you to buy in your weekly shop LOL!
And obviously the Gucci watches in Bradford will be much cheaper than in Leeds or Manchester according to your logic?!!
Hopefully Westfield will be built then retail outlets like this will give everyone more choice.............t



o go to Manchester to shop would in travel expenses alone be more expensive.
£7-50 return for a much better, brighter, cleaner shopping experience.

And Affleck's Palace is there
Did go once to buy a Gibson Les Paul....Manchester that is, looked a decent shopping experience....unfort

unately got a parking ticket...my fault of course. Last words to my son, we be long.... lol
That should have been....we wont be long!!!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Prisoner Cell Block A[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: You can buy Gucci £1200 watches at E Jones....well above Tesco's I'd say.[/p][/quote]Something else for you to buy in your weekly shop LOL![/p][/quote]And obviously the Gucci watches in Bradford will be much cheaper than in Leeds or Manchester according to your logic?!![/p][/quote]Hopefully Westfield will be built then retail outlets like this will give everyone more choice.............t o go to Manchester to shop would in travel expenses alone be more expensive.[/p][/quote]£7-50 return for a much better, brighter, cleaner shopping experience. And Affleck's Palace is there[/p][/quote]Did go once to buy a Gibson Les Paul....Manchester that is, looked a decent shopping experience....unfort unately got a parking ticket...my fault of course. Last words to my son, we be long.... lol[/p][/quote]That should have been....we wont be long!!!!!!! bcfc1903

2:18pm Thu 5 Dec 13

Avro says...

collos25 wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote:
Excellent news, Ernest Jones Jewllers sells quality merchandise so this has to be a welcome addition to the Westfield shopping centre. Hopefully the signs are good that the beginning of construction is immanent. Hopefully the Odeon building will also be refurbished back into a world class concert and conference centre. Some more good news that would certainly be.
You must be in a different universe to the rest of the population if you thing EJs sell quality merchandise they maybe overpriced but quality never they sell cheap tat.
Ernest Jones and and Samuels are owned by the same parent company, 'Signet Group' which was once known as the Ratner Group, until its chief executive Gerald Ratner, famously compared its earrings to a 99p prawn sandwich.
The remarks proved devastating to the company as shoppers deserted its stores and 300 were closed. Ratner resigned in November 1992 and the group subsequently changed its name to Signet.

Same company, same old tat....
[quote][p][bold]collos25[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: Excellent news, Ernest Jones Jewllers sells quality merchandise so this has to be a welcome addition to the Westfield shopping centre. Hopefully the signs are good that the beginning of construction is immanent. Hopefully the Odeon building will also be refurbished back into a world class concert and conference centre. Some more good news that would certainly be.[/p][/quote]You must be in a different universe to the rest of the population if you thing EJs sell quality merchandise they maybe overpriced but quality never they sell cheap tat.[/p][/quote]Ernest Jones and and Samuels are owned by the same parent company, 'Signet Group' which was once known as the Ratner Group, until its chief executive Gerald Ratner, famously compared its earrings to a 99p prawn sandwich. The remarks proved devastating to the company as shoppers deserted its stores and 300 were closed. Ratner resigned in November 1992 and the group subsequently changed its name to Signet. Same company, same old tat.... Avro

2:24pm Thu 5 Dec 13

Avro says...

Albion. wrote:
Ernest Jones are good quality shops and must be considered a welcome addition, it reminds me though of all the other quality jewellers who have disappeared from Bradford. I suspect H Samuel are just taking advantage of the inducements to move and will probably abandon their Darley Street store.
Ernest Jones and and Samuels are owned by the same parent company, 'Signet Group' which was once known as the 'Ratner Group', until its chief executive Gerald Ratner, famously compared its earrings to a 99p prawn sandwich.
The remarks proved devastating to the company as shoppers deserted its stores and 300 were closed. Ratner resigned in November 1992 and the group subsequently changed its name to Signet.

Same company, same old tat....
[quote][p][bold]Albion.[/bold] wrote: Ernest Jones are good quality shops and must be considered a welcome addition, it reminds me though of all the other quality jewellers who have disappeared from Bradford. I suspect H Samuel are just taking advantage of the inducements to move and will probably abandon their Darley Street store.[/p][/quote]Ernest Jones and and Samuels are owned by the same parent company, 'Signet Group' which was once known as the 'Ratner Group', until its chief executive Gerald Ratner, famously compared its earrings to a 99p prawn sandwich. The remarks proved devastating to the company as shoppers deserted its stores and 300 were closed. Ratner resigned in November 1992 and the group subsequently changed its name to Signet. Same company, same old tat.... Avro

2:50pm Thu 5 Dec 13

Albion. says...

Avro wrote:
Albion. wrote:
Ernest Jones are good quality shops and must be considered a welcome addition, it reminds me though of all the other quality jewellers who have disappeared from Bradford. I suspect H Samuel are just taking advantage of the inducements to move and will probably abandon their Darley Street store.
Ernest Jones and and Samuels are owned by the same parent company, 'Signet Group' which was once known as the 'Ratner Group', until its chief executive Gerald Ratner, famously compared its earrings to a 99p prawn sandwich.
The remarks proved devastating to the company as shoppers deserted its stores and 300 were closed. Ratner resigned in November 1992 and the group subsequently changed its name to Signet.

Same company, same old tat....
A lot of brands at Jones's aren't available from Samuels and were never available from Gerald Ratners outlets. The reason that Signet hold both groups is that they stock different brands and are aimed at different customers. If you go to what YOU would describe as a good or prestigious jeweller and they are selling some of the same brands as Jones's (which is very likely), are they also selling "tat" ? Not that it matters that much to me, as far as I'm concerned Bradford is rapidly becoming a third world replica of Karachi or somewhere, I prefer to do my shopping among different people. Sorry if that offends anyone, but that's how it is.
[quote][p][bold]Avro[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion.[/bold] wrote: Ernest Jones are good quality shops and must be considered a welcome addition, it reminds me though of all the other quality jewellers who have disappeared from Bradford. I suspect H Samuel are just taking advantage of the inducements to move and will probably abandon their Darley Street store.[/p][/quote]Ernest Jones and and Samuels are owned by the same parent company, 'Signet Group' which was once known as the 'Ratner Group', until its chief executive Gerald Ratner, famously compared its earrings to a 99p prawn sandwich. The remarks proved devastating to the company as shoppers deserted its stores and 300 were closed. Ratner resigned in November 1992 and the group subsequently changed its name to Signet. Same company, same old tat....[/p][/quote]A lot of brands at Jones's aren't available from Samuels and were never available from Gerald Ratners outlets. The reason that Signet hold both groups is that they stock different brands and are aimed at different customers. If you go to what YOU would describe as a good or prestigious jeweller and they are selling some of the same brands as Jones's (which is very likely), are they also selling "tat" ? Not that it matters that much to me, as far as I'm concerned Bradford is rapidly becoming a third world replica of Karachi or somewhere, I prefer to do my shopping among different people. Sorry if that offends anyone, but that's how it is. Albion.

3:03pm Thu 5 Dec 13

BD16 says...

bcfc1903 wrote:
Excellent news, Ernest Jones Jewllers sells quality merchandise so this has to be a welcome addition to the Westfield shopping centre. Hopefully the signs are good that the beginning of construction is immanent. Hopefully the Odeon building will also be refurbished back into a world class concert and conference centre. Some more good news that would certainly be.
If you hadn't noticed Leeds has a world class arena. They built it with the LBA money when we built a pond that has so far generated about £2 million of the £80 million we were told it was going to generate.

I agree with you that the Odeon could be a conference venue but it wouldn't be world class.
[quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: Excellent news, Ernest Jones Jewllers sells quality merchandise so this has to be a welcome addition to the Westfield shopping centre. Hopefully the signs are good that the beginning of construction is immanent. Hopefully the Odeon building will also be refurbished back into a world class concert and conference centre. Some more good news that would certainly be.[/p][/quote]If you hadn't noticed Leeds has a world class arena. They built it with the LBA money when we built a pond that has so far generated about £2 million of the £80 million we were told it was going to generate. I agree with you that the Odeon could be a conference venue but it wouldn't be world class. BD16

3:24pm Thu 5 Dec 13

SinnerSaint says...

BD16 wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote:
Excellent news, Ernest Jones Jewllers sells quality merchandise so this has to be a welcome addition to the Westfield shopping centre. Hopefully the signs are good that the beginning of construction is immanent. Hopefully the Odeon building will also be refurbished back into a world class concert and conference centre. Some more good news that would certainly be.
If you hadn't noticed Leeds has a world class arena. They built it with the LBA money when we built a pond that has so far generated about £2 million of the £80 million we were told it was going to generate.

I agree with you that the Odeon could be a conference venue but it wouldn't be world class.
Bradford isn't a world class city. It has a council full of world class idiots, inner city full of world class drug dealers, insurance fraudsters and benefits cheats but it's definitely not a world class city.
[quote][p][bold]BD16[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: Excellent news, Ernest Jones Jewllers sells quality merchandise so this has to be a welcome addition to the Westfield shopping centre. Hopefully the signs are good that the beginning of construction is immanent. Hopefully the Odeon building will also be refurbished back into a world class concert and conference centre. Some more good news that would certainly be.[/p][/quote]If you hadn't noticed Leeds has a world class arena. They built it with the LBA money when we built a pond that has so far generated about £2 million of the £80 million we were told it was going to generate. I agree with you that the Odeon could be a conference venue but it wouldn't be world class.[/p][/quote]Bradford isn't a world class city. It has a council full of world class idiots, inner city full of world class drug dealers, insurance fraudsters and benefits cheats but it's definitely not a world class city. SinnerSaint

3:27pm Thu 5 Dec 13

bcfc1903 says...

BD16 wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote:
Excellent news, Ernest Jones Jewllers sells quality merchandise so this has to be a welcome addition to the Westfield shopping centre. Hopefully the signs are good that the beginning of construction is immanent. Hopefully the Odeon building will also be refurbished back into a world class concert and conference centre. Some more good news that would certainly be.
If you hadn't noticed Leeds has a world class arena. They built it with the LBA money when we built a pond that has so far generated about £2 million of the £80 million we were told it was going to generate.

I agree with you that the Odeon could be a conference venue but it wouldn't be world class.
Of course It could be a world class concert, arts and conference centre... catering for 3,500/4,000 customers. If it's refurbish then it should be done to a top specification. I'd call it the Delius, Rothenstein and Wolfe as a classy hat tip to the old Bradford German community.
[quote][p][bold]BD16[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: Excellent news, Ernest Jones Jewllers sells quality merchandise so this has to be a welcome addition to the Westfield shopping centre. Hopefully the signs are good that the beginning of construction is immanent. Hopefully the Odeon building will also be refurbished back into a world class concert and conference centre. Some more good news that would certainly be.[/p][/quote]If you hadn't noticed Leeds has a world class arena. They built it with the LBA money when we built a pond that has so far generated about £2 million of the £80 million we were told it was going to generate. I agree with you that the Odeon could be a conference venue but it wouldn't be world class.[/p][/quote]Of course It could be a world class concert, arts and conference centre... catering for 3,500/4,000 customers. If it's refurbish then it should be done to a top specification. I'd call it the Delius, Rothenstein and Wolfe as a classy hat tip to the old Bradford German community. bcfc1903

3:27pm Thu 5 Dec 13

bcfc1903 says...

BD16 wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote:
Excellent news, Ernest Jones Jewllers sells quality merchandise so this has to be a welcome addition to the Westfield shopping centre. Hopefully the signs are good that the beginning of construction is immanent. Hopefully the Odeon building will also be refurbished back into a world class concert and conference centre. Some more good news that would certainly be.
If you hadn't noticed Leeds has a world class arena. They built it with the LBA money when we built a pond that has so far generated about £2 million of the £80 million we were told it was going to generate.

I agree with you that the Odeon could be a conference venue but it wouldn't be world class.
Of course It could be a world class concert, arts and conference centre... catering for 3,500/4,000 customers. If it's refurbish then it should be done to a top specification. I'd call it the Delius, Rothenstein and Wolfe as a classy hat tip to the old Bradford German community.
[quote][p][bold]BD16[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: Excellent news, Ernest Jones Jewllers sells quality merchandise so this has to be a welcome addition to the Westfield shopping centre. Hopefully the signs are good that the beginning of construction is immanent. Hopefully the Odeon building will also be refurbished back into a world class concert and conference centre. Some more good news that would certainly be.[/p][/quote]If you hadn't noticed Leeds has a world class arena. They built it with the LBA money when we built a pond that has so far generated about £2 million of the £80 million we were told it was going to generate. I agree with you that the Odeon could be a conference venue but it wouldn't be world class.[/p][/quote]Of course It could be a world class concert, arts and conference centre... catering for 3,500/4,000 customers. If it's refurbish then it should be done to a top specification. I'd call it the Delius, Rothenstein and Wolfe as a classy hat tip to the old Bradford German community. bcfc1903

3:33pm Thu 5 Dec 13

RollandSmoke says...

bcfc1903 wrote:
Obviously Bradford district produces many fine musicians...how about a Dawson's opening up in Broadway shopping centre. It's ridiculous that you can't buy a new Gibson in a city of half a million +.
Many of Bradford's musicians can't afford a decent set of strings let along a £2,000+ guitar. I play a battered fender that I picked up for £15 but there's much more to being a guitarist than the price of the instrument you play.
[quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: Obviously Bradford district produces many fine musicians...how about a Dawson's opening up in Broadway shopping centre. It's ridiculous that you can't buy a new Gibson in a city of half a million +.[/p][/quote]Many of Bradford's musicians can't afford a decent set of strings let along a £2,000+ guitar. I play a battered fender that I picked up for £15 but there's much more to being a guitarist than the price of the instrument you play. RollandSmoke

3:38pm Thu 5 Dec 13

bcfc1903 says...

Yes you are right many struggle , but there are plenty who can afford to pay or top class musical equipment. Picked a Fender up for 15 quid...which car was it off :-)
Yes you are right many struggle , but there are plenty who can afford to pay or top class musical equipment. Picked a Fender up for 15 quid...which car was it off :-) bcfc1903

3:41pm Thu 5 Dec 13

RollandSmoke says...

bcfc1903 wrote:
Yes you are right many struggle , but there are plenty who can afford to pay or top class musical equipment. Picked a Fender up for 15 quid...which car was it off :-)
It's only a Squire I'm not that posh. You may have noticed.
[quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: Yes you are right many struggle , but there are plenty who can afford to pay or top class musical equipment. Picked a Fender up for 15 quid...which car was it off :-)[/p][/quote]It's only a Squire I'm not that posh. You may have noticed. RollandSmoke

3:49pm Thu 5 Dec 13

bcfc1903 says...

RollandSmoke wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote:
Yes you are right many struggle , but there are plenty who can afford to pay or top class musical equipment. Picked a Fender up for 15 quid...which car was it off :-)
It's only a Squire I'm not that posh. You may have noticed.
You did well to get a Squire for that price. My son has a strat (squire) along with his GLP..we added a humbucker to the strat and it sounds good. He's used it at many gigs.
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: Yes you are right many struggle , but there are plenty who can afford to pay or top class musical equipment. Picked a Fender up for 15 quid...which car was it off :-)[/p][/quote]It's only a Squire I'm not that posh. You may have noticed.[/p][/quote]You did well to get a Squire for that price. My son has a strat (squire) along with his GLP..we added a humbucker to the strat and it sounds good. He's used it at many gigs. bcfc1903

4:27pm Thu 5 Dec 13

ade_splat says...

mr.bradford wrote:
i can confirm that construction works will have started by the end of this year and the shopping center will be open to the public by christmas.. 2023
I heard it would be February 30th 2024?
[quote][p][bold]mr.bradford[/bold] wrote: i can confirm that construction works will have started by the end of this year and the shopping center will be open to the public by christmas.. 2023[/p][/quote]I heard it would be February 30th 2024? ade_splat

5:23pm Thu 5 Dec 13

linebacker2 says...

BD16 wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote:
Excellent news, Ernest Jones Jewllers sells quality merchandise so this has to be a welcome addition to the Westfield shopping centre. Hopefully the signs are good that the beginning of construction is immanent. Hopefully the Odeon building will also be refurbished back into a world class concert and conference centre. Some more good news that would certainly be.
If you hadn't noticed Leeds has a world class arena. They built it with the LBA money when we built a pond that has so far generated about £2 million of the £80 million we were told it was going to generate.

I agree with you that the Odeon could be a conference venue but it wouldn't be world class.
What you don't hear about the Leeds Arena is the running costs and the fact many of the tickets (up to 50% of capacity in some cases) are given free to council staff
[quote][p][bold]BD16[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: Excellent news, Ernest Jones Jewllers sells quality merchandise so this has to be a welcome addition to the Westfield shopping centre. Hopefully the signs are good that the beginning of construction is immanent. Hopefully the Odeon building will also be refurbished back into a world class concert and conference centre. Some more good news that would certainly be.[/p][/quote]If you hadn't noticed Leeds has a world class arena. They built it with the LBA money when we built a pond that has so far generated about £2 million of the £80 million we were told it was going to generate. I agree with you that the Odeon could be a conference venue but it wouldn't be world class.[/p][/quote]What you don't hear about the Leeds Arena is the running costs and the fact many of the tickets (up to 50% of capacity in some cases) are given free to council staff linebacker2

5:38pm Thu 5 Dec 13

C.T.I.D says...

SinnerSaint wrote:
BD16 wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote:
Excellent news, Ernest Jones Jewllers sells quality merchandise so this has to be a welcome addition to the Westfield shopping centre. Hopefully the signs are good that the beginning of construction is immanent. Hopefully the Odeon building will also be refurbished back into a world class concert and conference centre. Some more good news that would certainly be.
If you hadn't noticed Leeds has a world class arena. They built it with the LBA money when we built a pond that has so far generated about £2 million of the £80 million we were told it was going to generate.

I agree with you that the Odeon could be a conference venue but it wouldn't be world class.
Bradford isn't a world class city. It has a council full of world class idiots, inner city full of world class drug dealers, insurance fraudsters and benefits cheats but it's definitely not a world class city.
Neither is Leeds
[quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BD16[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: Excellent news, Ernest Jones Jewllers sells quality merchandise so this has to be a welcome addition to the Westfield shopping centre. Hopefully the signs are good that the beginning of construction is immanent. Hopefully the Odeon building will also be refurbished back into a world class concert and conference centre. Some more good news that would certainly be.[/p][/quote]If you hadn't noticed Leeds has a world class arena. They built it with the LBA money when we built a pond that has so far generated about £2 million of the £80 million we were told it was going to generate. I agree with you that the Odeon could be a conference venue but it wouldn't be world class.[/p][/quote]Bradford isn't a world class city. It has a council full of world class idiots, inner city full of world class drug dealers, insurance fraudsters and benefits cheats but it's definitely not a world class city.[/p][/quote]Neither is Leeds C.T.I.D

5:42pm Thu 5 Dec 13

C.T.I.D says...

linebacker2 wrote:
BD16 wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote:
Excellent news, Ernest Jones Jewllers sells quality merchandise so this has to be a welcome addition to the Westfield shopping centre. Hopefully the signs are good that the beginning of construction is immanent. Hopefully the Odeon building will also be refurbished back into a world class concert and conference centre. Some more good news that would certainly be.
If you hadn't noticed Leeds has a world class arena. They built it with the LBA money when we built a pond that has so far generated about £2 million of the £80 million we were told it was going to generate.

I agree with you that the Odeon could be a conference venue but it wouldn't be world class.
What you don't hear about the Leeds Arena is the running costs and the fact many of the tickets (up to 50% of capacity in some cases) are given free to council staff
If it was in Bradford that's all we'd hear about on here.

And if City Park was in Leeds and looked exactly the same everyone on here would be saying how amazing it is.
[quote][p][bold]linebacker2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BD16[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: Excellent news, Ernest Jones Jewllers sells quality merchandise so this has to be a welcome addition to the Westfield shopping centre. Hopefully the signs are good that the beginning of construction is immanent. Hopefully the Odeon building will also be refurbished back into a world class concert and conference centre. Some more good news that would certainly be.[/p][/quote]If you hadn't noticed Leeds has a world class arena. They built it with the LBA money when we built a pond that has so far generated about £2 million of the £80 million we were told it was going to generate. I agree with you that the Odeon could be a conference venue but it wouldn't be world class.[/p][/quote]What you don't hear about the Leeds Arena is the running costs and the fact many of the tickets (up to 50% of capacity in some cases) are given free to council staff[/p][/quote]If it was in Bradford that's all we'd hear about on here. And if City Park was in Leeds and looked exactly the same everyone on here would be saying how amazing it is. C.T.I.D

5:42pm Thu 5 Dec 13

we'recitynotbradford says...

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
food_for_thought wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote: Why have you left the following out of your story which was in the objection letter to Leeds council? Developer and Leeds’ retail consultant both assume that Broadway scheme is fully committed and will go ahead, but this is incorrect."&amp
;
;nbs p; Thats a rather important piece you don't seem to want the Bradford public to see.
TVOR - Just spent a fascinating half-hour looking through objection letters to the White Rose expansion application. Have been unable to find your quotation in any document - admittedly there are qute a few - so would you mind providing title and date of the objection document....?
Here you go,

http://democracy.lee

ds.gov.uk/documents/

g6311/Public%20repor

ts%20pack%2012th-Dec

-2013%2013.30%20City

%20Plans%20Panel.pdf

?T=10

Document pages 33 & 34, with the quote I mention being under point 6.14 bullet point 3.

Hope that helps.
Better eyesight than me... are you making this up?
[quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]food_for_thought[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: Why have you left the following out of your story which was in the objection letter to Leeds council? Developer and Leeds’ retail consultant both assume that Broadway scheme is fully committed and will go ahead, but this is incorrect."& ; ;nbs p; Thats a rather important piece you don't seem to want the Bradford public to see.[/p][/quote]TVOR - Just spent a fascinating half-hour looking through objection letters to the White Rose expansion application. Have been unable to find your quotation in any document - admittedly there are qute a few - so would you mind providing title and date of the objection document....?[/p][/quote]Here you go, http://democracy.lee ds.gov.uk/documents/ g6311/Public%20repor ts%20pack%2012th-Dec -2013%2013.30%20City %20Plans%20Panel.pdf ?T=10 Document pages 33 & 34, with the quote I mention being under point 6.14 bullet point 3. Hope that helps.[/p][/quote]Better eyesight than me... are you making this up? we'recitynotbradford

6:30pm Thu 5 Dec 13

Pondlover says...

C.T.I.D wrote:
SinnerSaint wrote:
BD16 wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote:
Excellent news, Ernest Jones Jewllers sells quality merchandise so this has to be a welcome addition to the Westfield shopping centre. Hopefully the signs are good that the beginning of construction is immanent. Hopefully the Odeon building will also be refurbished back into a world class concert and conference centre. Some more good news that would certainly be.
If you hadn't noticed Leeds has a world class arena. They built it with the LBA money when we built a pond that has so far generated about £2 million of the £80 million we were told it was going to generate.

I agree with you that the Odeon could be a conference venue but it wouldn't be world class.
Bradford isn't a world class city. It has a council full of world class idiots, inner city full of world class drug dealers, insurance fraudsters and benefits cheats but it's definitely not a world class city.
Neither is Leeds
Leeds is not a world class city I agree, but is does have world class shopping facilities, I rate it behind London & Birmingham (but not for long) in the UK, thankfully it is on our doorstep.
[quote][p][bold]C.T.I.D[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BD16[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: Excellent news, Ernest Jones Jewllers sells quality merchandise so this has to be a welcome addition to the Westfield shopping centre. Hopefully the signs are good that the beginning of construction is immanent. Hopefully the Odeon building will also be refurbished back into a world class concert and conference centre. Some more good news that would certainly be.[/p][/quote]If you hadn't noticed Leeds has a world class arena. They built it with the LBA money when we built a pond that has so far generated about £2 million of the £80 million we were told it was going to generate. I agree with you that the Odeon could be a conference venue but it wouldn't be world class.[/p][/quote]Bradford isn't a world class city. It has a council full of world class idiots, inner city full of world class drug dealers, insurance fraudsters and benefits cheats but it's definitely not a world class city.[/p][/quote]Neither is Leeds[/p][/quote]Leeds is not a world class city I agree, but is does have world class shopping facilities, I rate it behind London & Birmingham (but not for long) in the UK, thankfully it is on our doorstep. Pondlover

7:12pm Thu 5 Dec 13

BD16 says...

C.T.I.D wrote:
linebacker2 wrote:
BD16 wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote:
Excellent news, Ernest Jones Jewllers sells quality merchandise so this has to be a welcome addition to the Westfield shopping centre. Hopefully the signs are good that the beginning of construction is immanent. Hopefully the Odeon building will also be refurbished back into a world class concert and conference centre. Some more good news that would certainly be.
If you hadn't noticed Leeds has a world class arena. They built it with the LBA money when we built a pond that has so far generated about £2 million of the £80 million we were told it was going to generate.

I agree with you that the Odeon could be a conference venue but it wouldn't be world class.
What you don't hear about the Leeds Arena is the running costs and the fact many of the tickets (up to 50% of capacity in some cases) are given free to council staff
If it was in Bradford that's all we'd hear about on here.

And if City Park was in Leeds and looked exactly the same everyone on here would be saying how amazing it is.
The problem with city park, and I have said this from the off, is that it's the icing on the cake of a city centre. Sadly we don't have the city centre such a feature deserves.

We were told that it would bring £80 million into the city. The last estimates I heard were about £2 million. Why has such a project flopped so badly and why don't we hear more about this?
[quote][p][bold]C.T.I.D[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]linebacker2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BD16[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: Excellent news, Ernest Jones Jewllers sells quality merchandise so this has to be a welcome addition to the Westfield shopping centre. Hopefully the signs are good that the beginning of construction is immanent. Hopefully the Odeon building will also be refurbished back into a world class concert and conference centre. Some more good news that would certainly be.[/p][/quote]If you hadn't noticed Leeds has a world class arena. They built it with the LBA money when we built a pond that has so far generated about £2 million of the £80 million we were told it was going to generate. I agree with you that the Odeon could be a conference venue but it wouldn't be world class.[/p][/quote]What you don't hear about the Leeds Arena is the running costs and the fact many of the tickets (up to 50% of capacity in some cases) are given free to council staff[/p][/quote]If it was in Bradford that's all we'd hear about on here. And if City Park was in Leeds and looked exactly the same everyone on here would be saying how amazing it is.[/p][/quote]The problem with city park, and I have said this from the off, is that it's the icing on the cake of a city centre. Sadly we don't have the city centre such a feature deserves. We were told that it would bring £80 million into the city. The last estimates I heard were about £2 million. Why has such a project flopped so badly and why don't we hear more about this? BD16

7:13pm Thu 5 Dec 13

schroeder says...

Pondlover wrote:
C.T.I.D wrote:
SinnerSaint wrote:
BD16 wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote:
Excellent news, Ernest Jones Jewllers sells quality merchandise so this has to be a welcome addition to the Westfield shopping centre. Hopefully the signs are good that the beginning of construction is immanent. Hopefully the Odeon building will also be refurbished back into a world class concert and conference centre. Some more good news that would certainly be.
If you hadn't noticed Leeds has a world class arena. They built it with the LBA money when we built a pond that has so far generated about £2 million of the £80 million we were told it was going to generate.

I agree with you that the Odeon could be a conference venue but it wouldn't be world class.
Bradford isn't a world class city. It has a council full of world class idiots, inner city full of world class drug dealers, insurance fraudsters and benefits cheats but it's definitely not a world class city.
Neither is Leeds
Leeds is not a world class city I agree, but is does have world class shopping facilities, I rate it behind London & Birmingham (but not for long) in the UK, thankfully it is on our doorstep.
The only thing in Leeds that could be considered world class is the Victorian Quarter, and even that is nothing special compared to some arcades in the truly great cities across Europe. Trinity certainly isn't world class.

Leeds is behind London, Birmingham, Manchester, Liverpool, Newcastle, Bristol, Nottingham and York as a visitor destination in my opinion.
[quote][p][bold]Pondlover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]C.T.I.D[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BD16[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: Excellent news, Ernest Jones Jewllers sells quality merchandise so this has to be a welcome addition to the Westfield shopping centre. Hopefully the signs are good that the beginning of construction is immanent. Hopefully the Odeon building will also be refurbished back into a world class concert and conference centre. Some more good news that would certainly be.[/p][/quote]If you hadn't noticed Leeds has a world class arena. They built it with the LBA money when we built a pond that has so far generated about £2 million of the £80 million we were told it was going to generate. I agree with you that the Odeon could be a conference venue but it wouldn't be world class.[/p][/quote]Bradford isn't a world class city. It has a council full of world class idiots, inner city full of world class drug dealers, insurance fraudsters and benefits cheats but it's definitely not a world class city.[/p][/quote]Neither is Leeds[/p][/quote]Leeds is not a world class city I agree, but is does have world class shopping facilities, I rate it behind London & Birmingham (but not for long) in the UK, thankfully it is on our doorstep.[/p][/quote]The only thing in Leeds that could be considered world class is the Victorian Quarter, and even that is nothing special compared to some arcades in the truly great cities across Europe. Trinity certainly isn't world class. Leeds is behind London, Birmingham, Manchester, Liverpool, Newcastle, Bristol, Nottingham and York as a visitor destination in my opinion. schroeder

7:37pm Thu 5 Dec 13

Avro says...

BD16 wrote:
C.T.I.D wrote:
linebacker2 wrote:
BD16 wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote:
Excellent news, Ernest Jones Jewllers sells quality merchandise so this has to be a welcome addition to the Westfield shopping centre. Hopefully the signs are good that the beginning of construction is immanent. Hopefully the Odeon building will also be refurbished back into a world class concert and conference centre. Some more good news that would certainly be.
If you hadn't noticed Leeds has a world class arena. They built it with the LBA money when we built a pond that has so far generated about £2 million of the £80 million we were told it was going to generate.

I agree with you that the Odeon could be a conference venue but it wouldn't be world class.
What you don't hear about the Leeds Arena is the running costs and the fact many of the tickets (up to 50% of capacity in some cases) are given free to council staff
If it was in Bradford that's all we'd hear about on here.

And if City Park was in Leeds and looked exactly the same everyone on here would be saying how amazing it is.
The problem with city park, and I have said this from the off, is that it's the icing on the cake of a city centre. Sadly we don't have the city centre such a feature deserves.

We were told that it would bring £80 million into the city. The last estimates I heard were about £2 million. Why has such a project flopped so badly and why don't we hear more about this?
Indeed it is around the £2m mark, and where did the £4million overspend vanish?

Amazing how quick the council were to distance themselves from the the £80 million quoted, which I might add was the basis of winning all party support to proceed with this project, and has never been questioned or mentioned since the park was opened.
[quote][p][bold]BD16[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]C.T.I.D[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]linebacker2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BD16[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: Excellent news, Ernest Jones Jewllers sells quality merchandise so this has to be a welcome addition to the Westfield shopping centre. Hopefully the signs are good that the beginning of construction is immanent. Hopefully the Odeon building will also be refurbished back into a world class concert and conference centre. Some more good news that would certainly be.[/p][/quote]If you hadn't noticed Leeds has a world class arena. They built it with the LBA money when we built a pond that has so far generated about £2 million of the £80 million we were told it was going to generate. I agree with you that the Odeon could be a conference venue but it wouldn't be world class.[/p][/quote]What you don't hear about the Leeds Arena is the running costs and the fact many of the tickets (up to 50% of capacity in some cases) are given free to council staff[/p][/quote]If it was in Bradford that's all we'd hear about on here. And if City Park was in Leeds and looked exactly the same everyone on here would be saying how amazing it is.[/p][/quote]The problem with city park, and I have said this from the off, is that it's the icing on the cake of a city centre. Sadly we don't have the city centre such a feature deserves. We were told that it would bring £80 million into the city. The last estimates I heard were about £2 million. Why has such a project flopped so badly and why don't we hear more about this?[/p][/quote]Indeed it is around the £2m mark, and where did the £4million overspend vanish? Amazing how quick the council were to distance themselves from the the £80 million quoted, which I might add was the basis of winning all party support to proceed with this project, and has never been questioned or mentioned since the park was opened. Avro

7:40pm Thu 5 Dec 13

bhuna156 says...

BD16 wrote:
C.T.I.D wrote:
linebacker2 wrote:
BD16 wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote:
Excellent news, Ernest Jones Jewllers sells quality merchandise so this has to be a welcome addition to the Westfield shopping centre. Hopefully the signs are good that the beginning of construction is immanent. Hopefully the Odeon building will also be refurbished back into a world class concert and conference centre. Some more good news that would certainly be.
If you hadn't noticed Leeds has a world class arena. They built it with the LBA money when we built a pond that has so far generated about £2 million of the £80 million we were told it was going to generate.

I agree with you that the Odeon could be a conference venue but it wouldn't be world class.
What you don't hear about the Leeds Arena is the running costs and the fact many of the tickets (up to 50% of capacity in some cases) are given free to council staff
If it was in Bradford that's all we'd hear about on here.

And if City Park was in Leeds and looked exactly the same everyone on here would be saying how amazing it is.
The problem with city park, and I have said this from the off, is that it's the icing on the cake of a city centre. Sadly we don't have the city centre such a feature deserves.

We were told that it would bring £80 million into the city. The last estimates I heard were about £2 million. Why has such a project flopped so badly and why don't we hear more about this?
That £80m estimation was including the Business Forest that didn't happen. I suspect you and everyone else knows this but just choose to ignore the fact.

Westfield is the cake so it's better to have built City Park before rather than wait years later to build it surely. Every business in Bradford would say so.
[quote][p][bold]BD16[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]C.T.I.D[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]linebacker2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BD16[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: Excellent news, Ernest Jones Jewllers sells quality merchandise so this has to be a welcome addition to the Westfield shopping centre. Hopefully the signs are good that the beginning of construction is immanent. Hopefully the Odeon building will also be refurbished back into a world class concert and conference centre. Some more good news that would certainly be.[/p][/quote]If you hadn't noticed Leeds has a world class arena. They built it with the LBA money when we built a pond that has so far generated about £2 million of the £80 million we were told it was going to generate. I agree with you that the Odeon could be a conference venue but it wouldn't be world class.[/p][/quote]What you don't hear about the Leeds Arena is the running costs and the fact many of the tickets (up to 50% of capacity in some cases) are given free to council staff[/p][/quote]If it was in Bradford that's all we'd hear about on here. And if City Park was in Leeds and looked exactly the same everyone on here would be saying how amazing it is.[/p][/quote]The problem with city park, and I have said this from the off, is that it's the icing on the cake of a city centre. Sadly we don't have the city centre such a feature deserves. We were told that it would bring £80 million into the city. The last estimates I heard were about £2 million. Why has such a project flopped so badly and why don't we hear more about this?[/p][/quote]That £80m estimation was including the Business Forest that didn't happen. I suspect you and everyone else knows this but just choose to ignore the fact. Westfield is the cake so it's better to have built City Park before rather than wait years later to build it surely. Every business in Bradford would say so. bhuna156

7:42pm Thu 5 Dec 13

linebacker2 says...

C.T.I.D wrote:
linebacker2 wrote:
BD16 wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote:
Excellent news, Ernest Jones Jewllers sells quality merchandise so this has to be a welcome addition to the Westfield shopping centre. Hopefully the signs are good that the beginning of construction is immanent. Hopefully the Odeon building will also be refurbished back into a world class concert and conference centre. Some more good news that would certainly be.
If you hadn't noticed Leeds has a world class arena. They built it with the LBA money when we built a pond that has so far generated about £2 million of the £80 million we were told it was going to generate.

I agree with you that the Odeon could be a conference venue but it wouldn't be world class.
What you don't hear about the Leeds Arena is the running costs and the fact many of the tickets (up to 50% of capacity in some cases) are given free to council staff
If it was in Bradford that's all we'd hear about on here.

And if City Park was in Leeds and looked exactly the same everyone on here would be saying how amazing it is.
You know what many on here are like.

On the planet some posters are on Leeds is Shangri-la and even the dog mess smells of ylang ylang in Leeds
[quote][p][bold]C.T.I.D[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]linebacker2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BD16[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: Excellent news, Ernest Jones Jewllers sells quality merchandise so this has to be a welcome addition to the Westfield shopping centre. Hopefully the signs are good that the beginning of construction is immanent. Hopefully the Odeon building will also be refurbished back into a world class concert and conference centre. Some more good news that would certainly be.[/p][/quote]If you hadn't noticed Leeds has a world class arena. They built it with the LBA money when we built a pond that has so far generated about £2 million of the £80 million we were told it was going to generate. I agree with you that the Odeon could be a conference venue but it wouldn't be world class.[/p][/quote]What you don't hear about the Leeds Arena is the running costs and the fact many of the tickets (up to 50% of capacity in some cases) are given free to council staff[/p][/quote]If it was in Bradford that's all we'd hear about on here. And if City Park was in Leeds and looked exactly the same everyone on here would be saying how amazing it is.[/p][/quote]You know what many on here are like. On the planet some posters are on Leeds is Shangri-la and even the dog mess smells of ylang ylang in Leeds linebacker2

7:47pm Thu 5 Dec 13

bhuna156 says...

Ernest Jones and a bigger H Samuel and River Island will be good additions for Bradford. I would like to see more of fashion chains sign up, like H&M, Zavi and Monsoon though, and a bigger Topshop would be nice.
Ernest Jones and a bigger H Samuel and River Island will be good additions for Bradford. I would like to see more of fashion chains sign up, like H&M, Zavi and Monsoon though, and a bigger Topshop would be nice. bhuna156

8:06pm Thu 5 Dec 13

BD16 says...

linebacker2 wrote:
C.T.I.D wrote:
linebacker2 wrote:
BD16 wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote:
Excellent news, Ernest Jones Jewllers sells quality merchandise so this has to be a welcome addition to the Westfield shopping centre. Hopefully the signs are good that the beginning of construction is immanent. Hopefully the Odeon building will also be refurbished back into a world class concert and conference centre. Some more good news that would certainly be.
If you hadn't noticed Leeds has a world class arena. They built it with the LBA money when we built a pond that has so far generated about £2 million of the £80 million we were told it was going to generate.

I agree with you that the Odeon could be a conference venue but it wouldn't be world class.
What you don't hear about the Leeds Arena is the running costs and the fact many of the tickets (up to 50% of capacity in some cases) are given free to council staff
If it was in Bradford that's all we'd hear about on here.

And if City Park was in Leeds and looked exactly the same everyone on here would be saying how amazing it is.
You know what many on here are like.

On the planet some posters are on Leeds is Shangri-la and even the dog mess smells of ylang ylang in Leeds
In terms of a retail centre Leeds is Shangri-La compared to Bradford. It's not perfect but I can be there in 20 minutes on the train and it has all the shops I would ever want, sadly the same can't be said for Bradford.
[quote][p][bold]linebacker2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]C.T.I.D[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]linebacker2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BD16[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: Excellent news, Ernest Jones Jewllers sells quality merchandise so this has to be a welcome addition to the Westfield shopping centre. Hopefully the signs are good that the beginning of construction is immanent. Hopefully the Odeon building will also be refurbished back into a world class concert and conference centre. Some more good news that would certainly be.[/p][/quote]If you hadn't noticed Leeds has a world class arena. They built it with the LBA money when we built a pond that has so far generated about £2 million of the £80 million we were told it was going to generate. I agree with you that the Odeon could be a conference venue but it wouldn't be world class.[/p][/quote]What you don't hear about the Leeds Arena is the running costs and the fact many of the tickets (up to 50% of capacity in some cases) are given free to council staff[/p][/quote]If it was in Bradford that's all we'd hear about on here. And if City Park was in Leeds and looked exactly the same everyone on here would be saying how amazing it is.[/p][/quote]You know what many on here are like. On the planet some posters are on Leeds is Shangri-la and even the dog mess smells of ylang ylang in Leeds[/p][/quote]In terms of a retail centre Leeds is Shangri-La compared to Bradford. It's not perfect but I can be there in 20 minutes on the train and it has all the shops I would ever want, sadly the same can't be said for Bradford. BD16

9:12pm Thu 5 Dec 13

C.T.I.D says...

BD16 wrote:
linebacker2 wrote:
C.T.I.D wrote:
linebacker2 wrote:
BD16 wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote:
Excellent news, Ernest Jones Jewllers sells quality merchandise so this has to be a welcome addition to the Westfield shopping centre. Hopefully the signs are good that the beginning of construction is immanent. Hopefully the Odeon building will also be refurbished back into a world class concert and conference centre. Some more good news that would certainly be.
If you hadn't noticed Leeds has a world class arena. They built it with the LBA money when we built a pond that has so far generated about £2 million of the £80 million we were told it was going to generate.

I agree with you that the Odeon could be a conference venue but it wouldn't be world class.
What you don't hear about the Leeds Arena is the running costs and the fact many of the tickets (up to 50% of capacity in some cases) are given free to council staff
If it was in Bradford that's all we'd hear about on here.

And if City Park was in Leeds and looked exactly the same everyone on here would be saying how amazing it is.
You know what many on here are like.

On the planet some posters are on Leeds is Shangri-la and even the dog mess smells of ylang ylang in Leeds
In terms of a retail centre Leeds is Shangri-La compared to Bradford. It's not perfect but I can be there in 20 minutes on the train and it has all the shops I would ever want, sadly the same can't be said for Bradford.
I could browse a much larger selection of shops without even leaving my bed on my laptop.
[quote][p][bold]BD16[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]linebacker2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]C.T.I.D[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]linebacker2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BD16[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: Excellent news, Ernest Jones Jewllers sells quality merchandise so this has to be a welcome addition to the Westfield shopping centre. Hopefully the signs are good that the beginning of construction is immanent. Hopefully the Odeon building will also be refurbished back into a world class concert and conference centre. Some more good news that would certainly be.[/p][/quote]If you hadn't noticed Leeds has a world class arena. They built it with the LBA money when we built a pond that has so far generated about £2 million of the £80 million we were told it was going to generate. I agree with you that the Odeon could be a conference venue but it wouldn't be world class.[/p][/quote]What you don't hear about the Leeds Arena is the running costs and the fact many of the tickets (up to 50% of capacity in some cases) are given free to council staff[/p][/quote]If it was in Bradford that's all we'd hear about on here. And if City Park was in Leeds and looked exactly the same everyone on here would be saying how amazing it is.[/p][/quote]You know what many on here are like. On the planet some posters are on Leeds is Shangri-la and even the dog mess smells of ylang ylang in Leeds[/p][/quote]In terms of a retail centre Leeds is Shangri-La compared to Bradford. It's not perfect but I can be there in 20 minutes on the train and it has all the shops I would ever want, sadly the same can't be said for Bradford.[/p][/quote]I could browse a much larger selection of shops without even leaving my bed on my laptop. C.T.I.D

9:17pm Thu 5 Dec 13

Pondlover says...

schroeder wrote:
Pondlover wrote:
C.T.I.D wrote:
SinnerSaint wrote:
BD16 wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote:
Excellent news, Ernest Jones Jewllers sells quality merchandise so this has to be a welcome addition to the Westfield shopping centre. Hopefully the signs are good that the beginning of construction is immanent. Hopefully the Odeon building will also be refurbished back into a world class concert and conference centre. Some more good news that would certainly be.
If you hadn't noticed Leeds has a world class arena. They built it with the LBA money when we built a pond that has so far generated about £2 million of the £80 million we were told it was going to generate.

I agree with you that the Odeon could be a conference venue but it wouldn't be world class.
Bradford isn't a world class city. It has a council full of world class idiots, inner city full of world class drug dealers, insurance fraudsters and benefits cheats but it's definitely not a world class city.
Neither is Leeds
Leeds is not a world class city I agree, but is does have world class shopping facilities, I rate it behind London & Birmingham (but not for long) in the UK, thankfully it is on our doorstep.
The only thing in Leeds that could be considered world class is the Victorian Quarter, and even that is nothing special compared to some arcades in the truly great cities across Europe. Trinity certainly isn't world class.

Leeds is behind London, Birmingham, Manchester, Liverpool, Newcastle, Bristol, Nottingham and York as a visitor destination in my opinion.
As a visitor destination you might be right, but as a shopping destination Leeds is better than Milan, Madrid, Barcelona and Munich. Newcastle is nothing compared to Leeds, I've lived there, nor is Nottingham or York. Bristol is good, I'll give you that, but it doesn't have the upper end stores Leeds has. Manchester is comparable, maybe better Liverpool is surprisingly good but it's Leeds on the ascent right now, just look at what is coming next. It's accepted in retail business circles that Leeds will be number 3, after London & Birmingham.

Let's enjoy it and hope Bradford doesn't waste time & money trying to play a game it cannot compete in, never mind win. It has fabulous Victorian architecture, the wonderful and iconic domes of the theatre & Odeon, it has to go in a different direction.

Nobody has any idea why Huddersfield is doing well and attracting investment, enabling large centre schemes to be built right now, but Bradford still fails? TBH I don't know..
[quote][p][bold]schroeder[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pondlover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]C.T.I.D[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BD16[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: Excellent news, Ernest Jones Jewllers sells quality merchandise so this has to be a welcome addition to the Westfield shopping centre. Hopefully the signs are good that the beginning of construction is immanent. Hopefully the Odeon building will also be refurbished back into a world class concert and conference centre. Some more good news that would certainly be.[/p][/quote]If you hadn't noticed Leeds has a world class arena. They built it with the LBA money when we built a pond that has so far generated about £2 million of the £80 million we were told it was going to generate. I agree with you that the Odeon could be a conference venue but it wouldn't be world class.[/p][/quote]Bradford isn't a world class city. It has a council full of world class idiots, inner city full of world class drug dealers, insurance fraudsters and benefits cheats but it's definitely not a world class city.[/p][/quote]Neither is Leeds[/p][/quote]Leeds is not a world class city I agree, but is does have world class shopping facilities, I rate it behind London & Birmingham (but not for long) in the UK, thankfully it is on our doorstep.[/p][/quote]The only thing in Leeds that could be considered world class is the Victorian Quarter, and even that is nothing special compared to some arcades in the truly great cities across Europe. Trinity certainly isn't world class. Leeds is behind London, Birmingham, Manchester, Liverpool, Newcastle, Bristol, Nottingham and York as a visitor destination in my opinion.[/p][/quote]As a visitor destination you might be right, but as a shopping destination Leeds is better than Milan, Madrid, Barcelona and Munich. Newcastle is nothing compared to Leeds, I've lived there, nor is Nottingham or York. Bristol is good, I'll give you that, but it doesn't have the upper end stores Leeds has. Manchester is comparable, maybe better Liverpool is surprisingly good but it's Leeds on the ascent right now, just look at what is coming next. It's accepted in retail business circles that Leeds will be number 3, after London & Birmingham. Let's enjoy it and hope Bradford doesn't waste time & money trying to play a game it cannot compete in, never mind win. It has fabulous Victorian architecture, the wonderful and iconic domes of the theatre & Odeon, it has to go in a different direction. Nobody has any idea why Huddersfield is doing well and attracting investment, enabling large centre schemes to be built right now, but Bradford still fails? TBH I don't know.. Pondlover

9:22pm Thu 5 Dec 13

Pondlover says...

bhuna156 wrote:
Ernest Jones and a bigger H Samuel and River Island will be good additions for Bradford. I would like to see more of fashion chains sign up, like H&M, Zavi and Monsoon though, and a bigger Topshop would be nice.
They are not "additions", the 2 jewellers are the same shop, HS is already in Bradford, as is River Island, Next, WH Smiths, a phone shop etc etc. The only new addition appears to be Debenhams, which we had...... onec upon a time.

The other names you mentioned are needed, I agree, along with retailers like Zara, Gap etc If only to compete with Huddersfield, fulfill basic retail requirements.
[quote][p][bold]bhuna156[/bold] wrote: Ernest Jones and a bigger H Samuel and River Island will be good additions for Bradford. I would like to see more of fashion chains sign up, like H&M, Zavi and Monsoon though, and a bigger Topshop would be nice.[/p][/quote]They are not "additions", the 2 jewellers are the same shop, HS is already in Bradford, as is River Island, Next, WH Smiths, a phone shop etc etc. The only new addition appears to be Debenhams, which we had...... onec upon a time. The other names you mentioned are needed, I agree, along with retailers like Zara, Gap etc If only to compete with Huddersfield, fulfill basic retail requirements. Pondlover

10:18pm Thu 5 Dec 13

linebacker2 says...

Pondlover wrote:
schroeder wrote:
Pondlover wrote:
C.T.I.D wrote:
SinnerSaint wrote:
BD16 wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote:
Excellent news, Ernest Jones Jewllers sells quality merchandise so this has to be a welcome addition to the Westfield shopping centre. Hopefully the signs are good that the beginning of construction is immanent. Hopefully the Odeon building will also be refurbished back into a world class concert and conference centre. Some more good news that would certainly be.
If you hadn't noticed Leeds has a world class arena. They built it with the LBA money when we built a pond that has so far generated about £2 million of the £80 million we were told it was going to generate.

I agree with you that the Odeon could be a conference venue but it wouldn't be world class.
Bradford isn't a world class city. It has a council full of world class idiots, inner city full of world class drug dealers, insurance fraudsters and benefits cheats but it's definitely not a world class city.
Neither is Leeds
Leeds is not a world class city I agree, but is does have world class shopping facilities, I rate it behind London & Birmingham (but not for long) in the UK, thankfully it is on our doorstep.
The only thing in Leeds that could be considered world class is the Victorian Quarter, and even that is nothing special compared to some arcades in the truly great cities across Europe. Trinity certainly isn't world class.

Leeds is behind London, Birmingham, Manchester, Liverpool, Newcastle, Bristol, Nottingham and York as a visitor destination in my opinion.
As a visitor destination you might be right, but as a shopping destination Leeds is better than Milan, Madrid, Barcelona and Munich. Newcastle is nothing compared to Leeds, I've lived there, nor is Nottingham or York. Bristol is good, I'll give you that, but it doesn't have the upper end stores Leeds has. Manchester is comparable, maybe better Liverpool is surprisingly good but it's Leeds on the ascent right now, just look at what is coming next. It's accepted in retail business circles that Leeds will be number 3, after London & Birmingham.

Let's enjoy it and hope Bradford doesn't waste time & money trying to play a game it cannot compete in, never mind win. It has fabulous Victorian architecture, the wonderful and iconic domes of the theatre & Odeon, it has to go in a different direction.

Nobody has any idea why Huddersfield is doing well and attracting investment, enabling large centre schemes to be built right now, but Bradford still fails? TBH I don't know..
Leeds better than Milan, Madrid and Munich?

Have you been smoking budgie seed and thought of a few European cities starting with an "M"?
[quote][p][bold]Pondlover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]schroeder[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pondlover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]C.T.I.D[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BD16[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: Excellent news, Ernest Jones Jewllers sells quality merchandise so this has to be a welcome addition to the Westfield shopping centre. Hopefully the signs are good that the beginning of construction is immanent. Hopefully the Odeon building will also be refurbished back into a world class concert and conference centre. Some more good news that would certainly be.[/p][/quote]If you hadn't noticed Leeds has a world class arena. They built it with the LBA money when we built a pond that has so far generated about £2 million of the £80 million we were told it was going to generate. I agree with you that the Odeon could be a conference venue but it wouldn't be world class.[/p][/quote]Bradford isn't a world class city. It has a council full of world class idiots, inner city full of world class drug dealers, insurance fraudsters and benefits cheats but it's definitely not a world class city.[/p][/quote]Neither is Leeds[/p][/quote]Leeds is not a world class city I agree, but is does have world class shopping facilities, I rate it behind London & Birmingham (but not for long) in the UK, thankfully it is on our doorstep.[/p][/quote]The only thing in Leeds that could be considered world class is the Victorian Quarter, and even that is nothing special compared to some arcades in the truly great cities across Europe. Trinity certainly isn't world class. Leeds is behind London, Birmingham, Manchester, Liverpool, Newcastle, Bristol, Nottingham and York as a visitor destination in my opinion.[/p][/quote]As a visitor destination you might be right, but as a shopping destination Leeds is better than Milan, Madrid, Barcelona and Munich. Newcastle is nothing compared to Leeds, I've lived there, nor is Nottingham or York. Bristol is good, I'll give you that, but it doesn't have the upper end stores Leeds has. Manchester is comparable, maybe better Liverpool is surprisingly good but it's Leeds on the ascent right now, just look at what is coming next. It's accepted in retail business circles that Leeds will be number 3, after London & Birmingham. Let's enjoy it and hope Bradford doesn't waste time & money trying to play a game it cannot compete in, never mind win. It has fabulous Victorian architecture, the wonderful and iconic domes of the theatre & Odeon, it has to go in a different direction. Nobody has any idea why Huddersfield is doing well and attracting investment, enabling large centre schemes to be built right now, but Bradford still fails? TBH I don't know..[/p][/quote]Leeds better than Milan, Madrid and Munich? Have you been smoking budgie seed and thought of a few European cities starting with an "M"? linebacker2

10:18pm Thu 5 Dec 13

C.T.I.D says...

Pondlover wrote:
schroeder wrote:
Pondlover wrote:
C.T.I.D wrote:
SinnerSaint wrote:
BD16 wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote:
Excellent news, Ernest Jones Jewllers sells quality merchandise so this has to be a welcome addition to the Westfield shopping centre. Hopefully the signs are good that the beginning of construction is immanent. Hopefully the Odeon building will also be refurbished back into a world class concert and conference centre. Some more good news that would certainly be.
If you hadn't noticed Leeds has a world class arena. They built it with the LBA money when we built a pond that has so far generated about £2 million of the £80 million we were told it was going to generate.

I agree with you that the Odeon could be a conference venue but it wouldn't be world class.
Bradford isn't a world class city. It has a council full of world class idiots, inner city full of world class drug dealers, insurance fraudsters and benefits cheats but it's definitely not a world class city.
Neither is Leeds
Leeds is not a world class city I agree, but is does have world class shopping facilities, I rate it behind London & Birmingham (but not for long) in the UK, thankfully it is on our doorstep.
The only thing in Leeds that could be considered world class is the Victorian Quarter, and even that is nothing special compared to some arcades in the truly great cities across Europe. Trinity certainly isn't world class.

Leeds is behind London, Birmingham, Manchester, Liverpool, Newcastle, Bristol, Nottingham and York as a visitor destination in my opinion.
As a visitor destination you might be right, but as a shopping destination Leeds is better than Milan, Madrid, Barcelona and Munich. Newcastle is nothing compared to Leeds, I've lived there, nor is Nottingham or York. Bristol is good, I'll give you that, but it doesn't have the upper end stores Leeds has. Manchester is comparable, maybe better Liverpool is surprisingly good but it's Leeds on the ascent right now, just look at what is coming next. It's accepted in retail business circles that Leeds will be number 3, after London & Birmingham.

Let's enjoy it and hope Bradford doesn't waste time & money trying to play a game it cannot compete in, never mind win. It has fabulous Victorian architecture, the wonderful and iconic domes of the theatre & Odeon, it has to go in a different direction.

Nobody has any idea why Huddersfield is doing well and attracting investment, enabling large centre schemes to be built right now, but Bradford still fails? TBH I don't know..
Seriously? You think Leeds is better than Milan, Madrid, Barcelona and Munich for retail? That's has to be the most ridiculous thing i've read on these pages, and that's something!
Please, tell me what amazing shops Leeds has that Milan, Madrid, Barcelona and Munich doesn't.

And as for Huddersfield, are you talking about the £40m extension of the rather small and ordinary Kingsgate shopping centre? If so, do you realise you're bringing that up on an article about a more impressive £275m investment in Bradford city centre?
[quote][p][bold]Pondlover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]schroeder[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pondlover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]C.T.I.D[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BD16[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: Excellent news, Ernest Jones Jewllers sells quality merchandise so this has to be a welcome addition to the Westfield shopping centre. Hopefully the signs are good that the beginning of construction is immanent. Hopefully the Odeon building will also be refurbished back into a world class concert and conference centre. Some more good news that would certainly be.[/p][/quote]If you hadn't noticed Leeds has a world class arena. They built it with the LBA money when we built a pond that has so far generated about £2 million of the £80 million we were told it was going to generate. I agree with you that the Odeon could be a conference venue but it wouldn't be world class.[/p][/quote]Bradford isn't a world class city. It has a council full of world class idiots, inner city full of world class drug dealers, insurance fraudsters and benefits cheats but it's definitely not a world class city.[/p][/quote]Neither is Leeds[/p][/quote]Leeds is not a world class city I agree, but is does have world class shopping facilities, I rate it behind London & Birmingham (but not for long) in the UK, thankfully it is on our doorstep.[/p][/quote]The only thing in Leeds that could be considered world class is the Victorian Quarter, and even that is nothing special compared to some arcades in the truly great cities across Europe. Trinity certainly isn't world class. Leeds is behind London, Birmingham, Manchester, Liverpool, Newcastle, Bristol, Nottingham and York as a visitor destination in my opinion.[/p][/quote]As a visitor destination you might be right, but as a shopping destination Leeds is better than Milan, Madrid, Barcelona and Munich. Newcastle is nothing compared to Leeds, I've lived there, nor is Nottingham or York. Bristol is good, I'll give you that, but it doesn't have the upper end stores Leeds has. Manchester is comparable, maybe better Liverpool is surprisingly good but it's Leeds on the ascent right now, just look at what is coming next. It's accepted in retail business circles that Leeds will be number 3, after London & Birmingham. Let's enjoy it and hope Bradford doesn't waste time & money trying to play a game it cannot compete in, never mind win. It has fabulous Victorian architecture, the wonderful and iconic domes of the theatre & Odeon, it has to go in a different direction. Nobody has any idea why Huddersfield is doing well and attracting investment, enabling large centre schemes to be built right now, but Bradford still fails? TBH I don't know..[/p][/quote]Seriously? You think Leeds is better than Milan, Madrid, Barcelona and Munich for retail? That's has to be the most ridiculous thing i've read on these pages, and that's something! Please, tell me what amazing shops Leeds has that Milan, Madrid, Barcelona and Munich doesn't. And as for Huddersfield, are you talking about the £40m extension of the rather small and ordinary Kingsgate shopping centre? If so, do you realise you're bringing that up on an article about a more impressive £275m investment in Bradford city centre? C.T.I.D

10:40pm Thu 5 Dec 13

schroeder says...

Pondlover wrote:
schroeder wrote:
Pondlover wrote:
C.T.I.D wrote:
SinnerSaint wrote:
BD16 wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote:
Excellent news, Ernest Jones Jewllers sells quality merchandise so this has to be a welcome addition to the Westfield shopping centre. Hopefully the signs are good that the beginning of construction is immanent. Hopefully the Odeon building will also be refurbished back into a world class concert and conference centre. Some more good news that would certainly be.
If you hadn't noticed Leeds has a world class arena. They built it with the LBA money when we built a pond that has so far generated about £2 million of the £80 million we were told it was going to generate.

I agree with you that the Odeon could be a conference venue but it wouldn't be world class.
Bradford isn't a world class city. It has a council full of world class idiots, inner city full of world class drug dealers, insurance fraudsters and benefits cheats but it's definitely not a world class city.
Neither is Leeds
Leeds is not a world class city I agree, but is does have world class shopping facilities, I rate it behind London & Birmingham (but not for long) in the UK, thankfully it is on our doorstep.
The only thing in Leeds that could be considered world class is the Victorian Quarter, and even that is nothing special compared to some arcades in the truly great cities across Europe. Trinity certainly isn't world class.

Leeds is behind London, Birmingham, Manchester, Liverpool, Newcastle, Bristol, Nottingham and York as a visitor destination in my opinion.
As a visitor destination you might be right, but as a shopping destination Leeds is better than Milan, Madrid, Barcelona and Munich. Newcastle is nothing compared to Leeds, I've lived there, nor is Nottingham or York. Bristol is good, I'll give you that, but it doesn't have the upper end stores Leeds has. Manchester is comparable, maybe better Liverpool is surprisingly good but it's Leeds on the ascent right now, just look at what is coming next. It's accepted in retail business circles that Leeds will be number 3, after London & Birmingham.

Let's enjoy it and hope Bradford doesn't waste time & money trying to play a game it cannot compete in, never mind win. It has fabulous Victorian architecture, the wonderful and iconic domes of the theatre & Odeon, it has to go in a different direction.

Nobody has any idea why Huddersfield is doing well and attracting investment, enabling large centre schemes to be built right now, but Bradford still fails? TBH I don't know..
You're having a laugh or totally deluded if you think Leeds is better than those European cities.

As for the UK cities I mentioned, Leeds might be slightly better than some of them for shopping, but so what? The other cities offer shopping and so much more like a vast variety of museums and other unique attractions. Leeds has nothing else that attracts visitors from afar and has no claim for fame for instance Liverpool has The Beatles, Manchester has Football, Nottingham has Robin Hood... and that's why Leeds is pretty much unknown on the international scene because shops alone doesn't attract attention form afar.
[quote][p][bold]Pondlover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]schroeder[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pondlover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]C.T.I.D[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BD16[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: Excellent news, Ernest Jones Jewllers sells quality merchandise so this has to be a welcome addition to the Westfield shopping centre. Hopefully the signs are good that the beginning of construction is immanent. Hopefully the Odeon building will also be refurbished back into a world class concert and conference centre. Some more good news that would certainly be.[/p][/quote]If you hadn't noticed Leeds has a world class arena. They built it with the LBA money when we built a pond that has so far generated about £2 million of the £80 million we were told it was going to generate. I agree with you that the Odeon could be a conference venue but it wouldn't be world class.[/p][/quote]Bradford isn't a world class city. It has a council full of world class idiots, inner city full of world class drug dealers, insurance fraudsters and benefits cheats but it's definitely not a world class city.[/p][/quote]Neither is Leeds[/p][/quote]Leeds is not a world class city I agree, but is does have world class shopping facilities, I rate it behind London & Birmingham (but not for long) in the UK, thankfully it is on our doorstep.[/p][/quote]The only thing in Leeds that could be considered world class is the Victorian Quarter, and even that is nothing special compared to some arcades in the truly great cities across Europe. Trinity certainly isn't world class. Leeds is behind London, Birmingham, Manchester, Liverpool, Newcastle, Bristol, Nottingham and York as a visitor destination in my opinion.[/p][/quote]As a visitor destination you might be right, but as a shopping destination Leeds is better than Milan, Madrid, Barcelona and Munich. Newcastle is nothing compared to Leeds, I've lived there, nor is Nottingham or York. Bristol is good, I'll give you that, but it doesn't have the upper end stores Leeds has. Manchester is comparable, maybe better Liverpool is surprisingly good but it's Leeds on the ascent right now, just look at what is coming next. It's accepted in retail business circles that Leeds will be number 3, after London & Birmingham. Let's enjoy it and hope Bradford doesn't waste time & money trying to play a game it cannot compete in, never mind win. It has fabulous Victorian architecture, the wonderful and iconic domes of the theatre & Odeon, it has to go in a different direction. Nobody has any idea why Huddersfield is doing well and attracting investment, enabling large centre schemes to be built right now, but Bradford still fails? TBH I don't know..[/p][/quote]You're having a laugh or totally deluded if you think Leeds is better than those European cities. As for the UK cities I mentioned, Leeds might be slightly better than some of them for shopping, but so what? The other cities offer shopping and so much more like a vast variety of museums and other unique attractions. Leeds has nothing else that attracts visitors from afar and has no claim for fame for instance Liverpool has The Beatles, Manchester has Football, Nottingham has Robin Hood... and that's why Leeds is pretty much unknown on the international scene because shops alone doesn't attract attention form afar. schroeder

11:39pm Thu 5 Dec 13

bcfc1903 says...

Pondlover wrote:
schroeder wrote:
Pondlover wrote:
C.T.I.D wrote:
SinnerSaint wrote:
BD16 wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote:
Excellent news, Ernest Jones Jewllers sells quality merchandise so this has to be a welcome addition to the Westfield shopping centre. Hopefully the signs are good that the beginning of construction is immanent. Hopefully the Odeon building will also be refurbished back into a world class concert and conference centre. Some more good news that would certainly be.
If you hadn't noticed Leeds has a world class arena. They built it with the LBA money when we built a pond that has so far generated about £2 million of the £80 million we were told it was going to generate.

I agree with you that the Odeon could be a conference venue but it wouldn't be world class.
Bradford isn't a world class city. It has a council full of world class idiots, inner city full of world class drug dealers, insurance fraudsters and benefits cheats but it's definitely not a world class city.
Neither is Leeds
Leeds is not a world class city I agree, but is does have world class shopping facilities, I rate it behind London & Birmingham (but not for long) in the UK, thankfully it is on our doorstep.
The only thing in Leeds that could be considered world class is the Victorian Quarter, and even that is nothing special compared to some arcades in the truly great cities across Europe. Trinity certainly isn't world class.

Leeds is behind London, Birmingham, Manchester, Liverpool, Newcastle, Bristol, Nottingham and York as a visitor destination in my opinion.
As a visitor destination you might be right, but as a shopping destination Leeds is better than Milan, Madrid, Barcelona and Munich. Newcastle is nothing compared to Leeds, I've lived there, nor is Nottingham or York. Bristol is good, I'll give you that, but it doesn't have the upper end stores Leeds has. Manchester is comparable, maybe better Liverpool is surprisingly good but it's Leeds on the ascent right now, just look at what is coming next. It's accepted in retail business circles that Leeds will be number 3, after London & Birmingham.

Let's enjoy it and hope Bradford doesn't waste time & money trying to play a game it cannot compete in, never mind win. It has fabulous Victorian architecture, the wonderful and iconic domes of the theatre & Odeon, it has to go in a different direction.

Nobody has any idea why Huddersfield is doing well and attracting investment, enabling large centre schemes to be built right now, but Bradford still fails? TBH I don't know..
Look, I've nothing against Leeds...but come on please .... better than Milan, Madrid, Barcelona and Munich as a shopping destination you must be having a laugh....there has to be a punch line or someones casting for a bite...:-)
[quote][p][bold]Pondlover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]schroeder[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pondlover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]C.T.I.D[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BD16[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: Excellent news, Ernest Jones Jewllers sells quality merchandise so this has to be a welcome addition to the Westfield shopping centre. Hopefully the signs are good that the beginning of construction is immanent. Hopefully the Odeon building will also be refurbished back into a world class concert and conference centre. Some more good news that would certainly be.[/p][/quote]If you hadn't noticed Leeds has a world class arena. They built it with the LBA money when we built a pond that has so far generated about £2 million of the £80 million we were told it was going to generate. I agree with you that the Odeon could be a conference venue but it wouldn't be world class.[/p][/quote]Bradford isn't a world class city. It has a council full of world class idiots, inner city full of world class drug dealers, insurance fraudsters and benefits cheats but it's definitely not a world class city.[/p][/quote]Neither is Leeds[/p][/quote]Leeds is not a world class city I agree, but is does have world class shopping facilities, I rate it behind London & Birmingham (but not for long) in the UK, thankfully it is on our doorstep.[/p][/quote]The only thing in Leeds that could be considered world class is the Victorian Quarter, and even that is nothing special compared to some arcades in the truly great cities across Europe. Trinity certainly isn't world class. Leeds is behind London, Birmingham, Manchester, Liverpool, Newcastle, Bristol, Nottingham and York as a visitor destination in my opinion.[/p][/quote]As a visitor destination you might be right, but as a shopping destination Leeds is better than Milan, Madrid, Barcelona and Munich. Newcastle is nothing compared to Leeds, I've lived there, nor is Nottingham or York. Bristol is good, I'll give you that, but it doesn't have the upper end stores Leeds has. Manchester is comparable, maybe better Liverpool is surprisingly good but it's Leeds on the ascent right now, just look at what is coming next. It's accepted in retail business circles that Leeds will be number 3, after London & Birmingham. Let's enjoy it and hope Bradford doesn't waste time & money trying to play a game it cannot compete in, never mind win. It has fabulous Victorian architecture, the wonderful and iconic domes of the theatre & Odeon, it has to go in a different direction. Nobody has any idea why Huddersfield is doing well and attracting investment, enabling large centre schemes to be built right now, but Bradford still fails? TBH I don't know..[/p][/quote]Look, I've nothing against Leeds...but come on please .... better than Milan, Madrid, Barcelona and Munich as a shopping destination you must be having a laugh....there has to be a punch line or someones casting for a bite...:-) bcfc1903

7:28am Fri 6 Dec 13

Pondlover says...

bcfc1903 wrote:
Pondlover wrote:
schroeder wrote:
Pondlover wrote:
C.T.I.D wrote:
SinnerSaint wrote:
BD16 wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote:
Excellent news, Ernest Jones Jewllers sells quality merchandise so this has to be a welcome addition to the Westfield shopping centre. Hopefully the signs are good that the beginning of construction is immanent. Hopefully the Odeon building will also be refurbished back into a world class concert and conference centre. Some more good news that would certainly be.
If you hadn't noticed Leeds has a world class arena. They built it with the LBA money when we built a pond that has so far generated about £2 million of the £80 million we were told it was going to generate.

I agree with you that the Odeon could be a conference venue but it wouldn't be world class.
Bradford isn't a world class city. It has a council full of world class idiots, inner city full of world class drug dealers, insurance fraudsters and benefits cheats but it's definitely not a world class city.
Neither is Leeds
Leeds is not a world class city I agree, but is does have world class shopping facilities, I rate it behind London & Birmingham (but not for long) in the UK, thankfully it is on our doorstep.
The only thing in Leeds that could be considered world class is the Victorian Quarter, and even that is nothing special compared to some arcades in the truly great cities across Europe. Trinity certainly isn't world class.

Leeds is behind London, Birmingham, Manchester, Liverpool, Newcastle, Bristol, Nottingham and York as a visitor destination in my opinion.
As a visitor destination you might be right, but as a shopping destination Leeds is better than Milan, Madrid, Barcelona and Munich. Newcastle is nothing compared to Leeds, I've lived there, nor is Nottingham or York. Bristol is good, I'll give you that, but it doesn't have the upper end stores Leeds has. Manchester is comparable, maybe better Liverpool is surprisingly good but it's Leeds on the ascent right now, just look at what is coming next. It's accepted in retail business circles that Leeds will be number 3, after London & Birmingham.

Let's enjoy it and hope Bradford doesn't waste time & money trying to play a game it cannot compete in, never mind win. It has fabulous Victorian architecture, the wonderful and iconic domes of the theatre & Odeon, it has to go in a different direction.

Nobody has any idea why Huddersfield is doing well and attracting investment, enabling large centre schemes to be built right now, but Bradford still fails? TBH I don't know..
Look, I've nothing against Leeds...but come on please .... better than Milan, Madrid, Barcelona and Munich as a shopping destination you must be having a laugh....there has to be a punch line or someones casting for a bite...:-)
I am only talking about retail, Leeds is better for shopping, I am not claiming anything else or talking about visitor "attractions" only retail, that is what this thread is about.. In fact since the late 1980's only Barcelona in Europe, has re-invented itself so spectacularly, that was dump then too. Barcelona cleaned up and made a waterfront, Leeds cleaned up and chased retail & finance, Leeds centre is unrecogniseable to the late 1980's when I worked in it, the thought of a Harvey Nicholls would have been laughable.
[quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pondlover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]schroeder[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pondlover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]C.T.I.D[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BD16[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: Excellent news, Ernest Jones Jewllers sells quality merchandise so this has to be a welcome addition to the Westfield shopping centre. Hopefully the signs are good that the beginning of construction is immanent. Hopefully the Odeon building will also be refurbished back into a world class concert and conference centre. Some more good news that would certainly be.[/p][/quote]If you hadn't noticed Leeds has a world class arena. They built it with the LBA money when we built a pond that has so far generated about £2 million of the £80 million we were told it was going to generate. I agree with you that the Odeon could be a conference venue but it wouldn't be world class.[/p][/quote]Bradford isn't a world class city. It has a council full of world class idiots, inner city full of world class drug dealers, insurance fraudsters and benefits cheats but it's definitely not a world class city.[/p][/quote]Neither is Leeds[/p][/quote]Leeds is not a world class city I agree, but is does have world class shopping facilities, I rate it behind London & Birmingham (but not for long) in the UK, thankfully it is on our doorstep.[/p][/quote]The only thing in Leeds that could be considered world class is the Victorian Quarter, and even that is nothing special compared to some arcades in the truly great cities across Europe. Trinity certainly isn't world class. Leeds is behind London, Birmingham, Manchester, Liverpool, Newcastle, Bristol, Nottingham and York as a visitor destination in my opinion.[/p][/quote]As a visitor destination you might be right, but as a shopping destination Leeds is better than Milan, Madrid, Barcelona and Munich. Newcastle is nothing compared to Leeds, I've lived there, nor is Nottingham or York. Bristol is good, I'll give you that, but it doesn't have the upper end stores Leeds has. Manchester is comparable, maybe better Liverpool is surprisingly good but it's Leeds on the ascent right now, just look at what is coming next. It's accepted in retail business circles that Leeds will be number 3, after London & Birmingham. Let's enjoy it and hope Bradford doesn't waste time & money trying to play a game it cannot compete in, never mind win. It has fabulous Victorian architecture, the wonderful and iconic domes of the theatre & Odeon, it has to go in a different direction. Nobody has any idea why Huddersfield is doing well and attracting investment, enabling large centre schemes to be built right now, but Bradford still fails? TBH I don't know..[/p][/quote]Look, I've nothing against Leeds...but come on please .... better than Milan, Madrid, Barcelona and Munich as a shopping destination you must be having a laugh....there has to be a punch line or someones casting for a bite...:-)[/p][/quote]I am only talking about retail, Leeds is better for shopping, I am not claiming anything else or talking about visitor "attractions" only retail, that is what this thread is about.. In fact since the late 1980's only Barcelona in Europe, has re-invented itself so spectacularly, that was dump then too. Barcelona cleaned up and made a waterfront, Leeds cleaned up and chased retail & finance, Leeds centre is unrecogniseable to the late 1980's when I worked in it, the thought of a Harvey Nicholls would have been laughable. Pondlover

7:50am Fri 6 Dec 13

Pondlover says...

CTID whilst you have been talking about a downsized £275 million retail investment that has not appeared, Leeds has opened a £350m one ,on top of what it already had!

Only 2 major retail destinations were opened in europe last year, two, one is in Leeds. but even Trinity will be dwarfed by the £600m Victoria Gate, planning passed, building to start in the Spring, which it will.

Victoria Gate is anchored by the premium & luxury stores Leeds doesn't yet have.....filling it will release space elsewhere to be snapped up by medium & lower end retailers. This has happened with Trinity, join up the dots and you can see why Bradford cannot let Westfield.

Bradford needs something else in our space, keeping the vista of Little Germany, to show it at it's best and to bring footfall in.
CTID whilst you have been talking about a downsized £275 million retail investment that has not appeared, Leeds has opened a £350m one ,on top of what it already had! Only 2 major retail destinations were opened in europe last year, two, one is in Leeds. but even Trinity will be dwarfed by the £600m Victoria Gate, planning passed, building to start in the Spring, which it will. Victoria Gate is anchored by the premium & luxury stores Leeds doesn't yet have.....filling it will release space elsewhere to be snapped up by medium & lower end retailers. This has happened with Trinity, join up the dots and you can see why Bradford cannot let Westfield. Bradford needs something else in our space, keeping the vista of Little Germany, to show it at it's best and to bring footfall in. Pondlover

8:01am Fri 6 Dec 13

C.T.I.D says...

Pondlover wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote:
Pondlover wrote:
schroeder wrote:
Pondlover wrote:
C.T.I.D wrote:
SinnerSaint wrote:
BD16 wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote:
Excellent news, Ernest Jones Jewllers sells quality merchandise so this has to be a welcome addition to the Westfield shopping centre. Hopefully the signs are good that the beginning of construction is immanent. Hopefully the Odeon building will also be refurbished back into a world class concert and conference centre. Some more good news that would certainly be.
If you hadn't noticed Leeds has a world class arena. They built it with the LBA money when we built a pond that has so far generated about £2 million of the £80 million we were told it was going to generate.

I agree with you that the Odeon could be a conference venue but it wouldn't be world class.
Bradford isn't a world class city. It has a council full of world class idiots, inner city full of world class drug dealers, insurance fraudsters and benefits cheats but it's definitely not a world class city.
Neither is Leeds
Leeds is not a world class city I agree, but is does have world class shopping facilities, I rate it behind London & Birmingham (but not for long) in the UK, thankfully it is on our doorstep.
The only thing in Leeds that could be considered world class is the Victorian Quarter, and even that is nothing special compared to some arcades in the truly great cities across Europe. Trinity certainly isn't world class.

Leeds is behind London, Birmingham, Manchester, Liverpool, Newcastle, Bristol, Nottingham and York as a visitor destination in my opinion.
As a visitor destination you might be right, but as a shopping destination Leeds is better than Milan, Madrid, Barcelona and Munich. Newcastle is nothing compared to Leeds, I've lived there, nor is Nottingham or York. Bristol is good, I'll give you that, but it doesn't have the upper end stores Leeds has. Manchester is comparable, maybe better Liverpool is surprisingly good but it's Leeds on the ascent right now, just look at what is coming next. It's accepted in retail business circles that Leeds will be number 3, after London & Birmingham.

Let's enjoy it and hope Bradford doesn't waste time & money trying to play a game it cannot compete in, never mind win. It has fabulous Victorian architecture, the wonderful and iconic domes of the theatre & Odeon, it has to go in a different direction.

Nobody has any idea why Huddersfield is doing well and attracting investment, enabling large centre schemes to be built right now, but Bradford still fails? TBH I don't know..
Look, I've nothing against Leeds...but come on please .... better than Milan, Madrid, Barcelona and Munich as a shopping destination you must be having a laugh....there has to be a punch line or someones casting for a bite...:-)
I am only talking about retail, Leeds is better for shopping, I am not claiming anything else or talking about visitor "attractions" only retail, that is what this thread is about.. In fact since the late 1980's only Barcelona in Europe, has re-invented itself so spectacularly, that was dump then too. Barcelona cleaned up and made a waterfront, Leeds cleaned up and chased retail & finance, Leeds centre is unrecogniseable to the late 1980's when I worked in it, the thought of a Harvey Nicholls would have been laughable.
Leeds isn't better for shopping! Those places are a match for London and Milan is considered to be the top shopping destination in the world, the Galleria Vittorio Emanuele II makes the Victorian Quarter look like the Kirkgate centre, but for some reason you think Leeds is better. How??

Leeds doesn't even have a John Lewis or Selfridge's, or an independent department store.
[quote][p][bold]Pondlover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pondlover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]schroeder[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pondlover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]C.T.I.D[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BD16[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: Excellent news, Ernest Jones Jewllers sells quality merchandise so this has to be a welcome addition to the Westfield shopping centre. Hopefully the signs are good that the beginning of construction is immanent. Hopefully the Odeon building will also be refurbished back into a world class concert and conference centre. Some more good news that would certainly be.[/p][/quote]If you hadn't noticed Leeds has a world class arena. They built it with the LBA money when we built a pond that has so far generated about £2 million of the £80 million we were told it was going to generate. I agree with you that the Odeon could be a conference venue but it wouldn't be world class.[/p][/quote]Bradford isn't a world class city. It has a council full of world class idiots, inner city full of world class drug dealers, insurance fraudsters and benefits cheats but it's definitely not a world class city.[/p][/quote]Neither is Leeds[/p][/quote]Leeds is not a world class city I agree, but is does have world class shopping facilities, I rate it behind London & Birmingham (but not for long) in the UK, thankfully it is on our doorstep.[/p][/quote]The only thing in Leeds that could be considered world class is the Victorian Quarter, and even that is nothing special compared to some arcades in the truly great cities across Europe. Trinity certainly isn't world class. Leeds is behind London, Birmingham, Manchester, Liverpool, Newcastle, Bristol, Nottingham and York as a visitor destination in my opinion.[/p][/quote]As a visitor destination you might be right, but as a shopping destination Leeds is better than Milan, Madrid, Barcelona and Munich. Newcastle is nothing compared to Leeds, I've lived there, nor is Nottingham or York. Bristol is good, I'll give you that, but it doesn't have the upper end stores Leeds has. Manchester is comparable, maybe better Liverpool is surprisingly good but it's Leeds on the ascent right now, just look at what is coming next. It's accepted in retail business circles that Leeds will be number 3, after London & Birmingham. Let's enjoy it and hope Bradford doesn't waste time & money trying to play a game it cannot compete in, never mind win. It has fabulous Victorian architecture, the wonderful and iconic domes of the theatre & Odeon, it has to go in a different direction. Nobody has any idea why Huddersfield is doing well and attracting investment, enabling large centre schemes to be built right now, but Bradford still fails? TBH I don't know..[/p][/quote]Look, I've nothing against Leeds...but come on please .... better than Milan, Madrid, Barcelona and Munich as a shopping destination you must be having a laugh....there has to be a punch line or someones casting for a bite...:-)[/p][/quote]I am only talking about retail, Leeds is better for shopping, I am not claiming anything else or talking about visitor "attractions" only retail, that is what this thread is about.. In fact since the late 1980's only Barcelona in Europe, has re-invented itself so spectacularly, that was dump then too. Barcelona cleaned up and made a waterfront, Leeds cleaned up and chased retail & finance, Leeds centre is unrecogniseable to the late 1980's when I worked in it, the thought of a Harvey Nicholls would have been laughable.[/p][/quote]Leeds isn't better for shopping! Those places are a match for London and Milan is considered to be the top shopping destination in the world, the Galleria Vittorio Emanuele II makes the Victorian Quarter look like the Kirkgate centre, but for some reason you think Leeds is better. How?? Leeds doesn't even have a John Lewis or Selfridge's, or an independent department store. C.T.I.D

8:13am Fri 6 Dec 13

C.T.I.D says...

Pondlover wrote:
CTID whilst you have been talking about a downsized £275 million retail investment that has not appeared, Leeds has opened a £350m one ,on top of what it already had!

Only 2 major retail destinations were opened in europe last year, two, one is in Leeds. but even Trinity will be dwarfed by the £600m Victoria Gate, planning passed, building to start in the Spring, which it will.

Victoria Gate is anchored by the premium & luxury stores Leeds doesn't yet have.....filling it will release space elsewhere to be snapped up by medium & lower end retailers. This has happened with Trinity, join up the dots and you can see why Bradford cannot let Westfield.

Bradford needs something else in our space, keeping the vista of Little Germany, to show it at it's best and to bring footfall in.
Where do you get your information from? Victoria Gate will cost £130m and so far only John Lewis has signed up, which should have been in a city the size of Leeds a long time ago.
Leeds might overtake Manchester in the RETAIL league when it's built, but that's no biggie considering Manchester and Leeds are of a smiler size. Still won't touch Birmingham, never mind Milan ;)

And this has to be the last thing Leeds needs.
[quote][p][bold]Pondlover[/bold] wrote: CTID whilst you have been talking about a downsized £275 million retail investment that has not appeared, Leeds has opened a £350m one ,on top of what it already had! Only 2 major retail destinations were opened in europe last year, two, one is in Leeds. but even Trinity will be dwarfed by the £600m Victoria Gate, planning passed, building to start in the Spring, which it will. Victoria Gate is anchored by the premium & luxury stores Leeds doesn't yet have.....filling it will release space elsewhere to be snapped up by medium & lower end retailers. This has happened with Trinity, join up the dots and you can see why Bradford cannot let Westfield. Bradford needs something else in our space, keeping the vista of Little Germany, to show it at it's best and to bring footfall in.[/p][/quote]Where do you get your information from? Victoria Gate will cost £130m and so far only John Lewis has signed up, which should have been in a city the size of Leeds a long time ago. Leeds might overtake Manchester in the RETAIL league when it's built, but that's no biggie considering Manchester and Leeds are of a smiler size. Still won't touch Birmingham, never mind Milan ;) And this has to be the last thing Leeds needs. C.T.I.D

9:08am Fri 6 Dec 13

bhuna156 says...

Pondlover wrote:
CTID whilst you have been talking about a downsized £275 million retail investment that has not appeared, Leeds has opened a £350m one ,on top of what it already had!

Only 2 major retail destinations were opened in europe last year, two, one is in Leeds. but even Trinity will be dwarfed by the £600m Victoria Gate, planning passed, building to start in the Spring, which it will.

Victoria Gate is anchored by the premium & luxury stores Leeds doesn't yet have.....filling it will release space elsewhere to be snapped up by medium & lower end retailers. This has happened with Trinity, join up the dots and you can see why Bradford cannot let Westfield.

Bradford needs something else in our space, keeping the vista of Little Germany, to show it at it's best and to bring footfall in.
Westfield is exactly what Bradford needs. I don't think there's anything else that would bring in more footfall and be better for Little Germany.
It's the missing piece in the jigsaw that will connect Little Germany with the rest of the city centre.
[quote][p][bold]Pondlover[/bold] wrote: CTID whilst you have been talking about a downsized £275 million retail investment that has not appeared, Leeds has opened a £350m one ,on top of what it already had! Only 2 major retail destinations were opened in europe last year, two, one is in Leeds. but even Trinity will be dwarfed by the £600m Victoria Gate, planning passed, building to start in the Spring, which it will. Victoria Gate is anchored by the premium & luxury stores Leeds doesn't yet have.....filling it will release space elsewhere to be snapped up by medium & lower end retailers. This has happened with Trinity, join up the dots and you can see why Bradford cannot let Westfield. Bradford needs something else in our space, keeping the vista of Little Germany, to show it at it's best and to bring footfall in.[/p][/quote]Westfield is exactly what Bradford needs. I don't think there's anything else that would bring in more footfall and be better for Little Germany. It's the missing piece in the jigsaw that will connect Little Germany with the rest of the city centre. bhuna156

10:02am Fri 6 Dec 13

Avro says...

bhuna156 wrote:
Ernest Jones and a bigger H Samuel and River Island will be good additions for Bradford. I would like to see more of fashion chains sign up, like H&M, Zavi and Monsoon though, and a bigger Topshop would be nice.
Don't you mean good addition, we already have a Samuels!

For Westfield to be a success, it needs to be at least 50% new shops to Bradford, otherwise there is little point in regurgitatiing what we already have in a different location!
[quote][p][bold]bhuna156[/bold] wrote: Ernest Jones and a bigger H Samuel and River Island will be good additions for Bradford. I would like to see more of fashion chains sign up, like H&M, Zavi and Monsoon though, and a bigger Topshop would be nice.[/p][/quote]Don't you mean good addition, we already have a Samuels! For Westfield to be a success, it needs to be at least 50% new shops to Bradford, otherwise there is little point in regurgitatiing what we already have in a different location! Avro

10:09am Fri 6 Dec 13

BD16 says...

C.T.I.D wrote:
BD16 wrote:
linebacker2 wrote:
C.T.I.D wrote:
linebacker2 wrote:
BD16 wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote: Excellent news, Ernest Jones Jewllers sells quality merchandise so this has to be a welcome addition to the Westfield shopping centre. Hopefully the signs are good that the beginning of construction is immanent. Hopefully the Odeon building will also be refurbished back into a world class concert and conference centre. Some more good news that would certainly be.
If you hadn't noticed Leeds has a world class arena. They built it with the LBA money when we built a pond that has so far generated about £2 million of the £80 million we were told it was going to generate. I agree with you that the Odeon could be a conference venue but it wouldn't be world class.
What you don't hear about the Leeds Arena is the running costs and the fact many of the tickets (up to 50% of capacity in some cases) are given free to council staff
If it was in Bradford that's all we'd hear about on here. And if City Park was in Leeds and looked exactly the same everyone on here would be saying how amazing it is.
You know what many on here are like. On the planet some posters are on Leeds is Shangri-la and even the dog mess smells of ylang ylang in Leeds
In terms of a retail centre Leeds is Shangri-La compared to Bradford. It's not perfect but I can be there in 20 minutes on the train and it has all the shops I would ever want, sadly the same can't be said for Bradford.
I could browse a much larger selection of shops without even leaving my bed on my laptop.
That's a silly argument and it applies equally to Bradford as it does Leeds.
[quote][p][bold]C.T.I.D[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BD16[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]linebacker2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]C.T.I.D[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]linebacker2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BD16[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: Excellent news, Ernest Jones Jewllers sells quality merchandise so this has to be a welcome addition to the Westfield shopping centre. Hopefully the signs are good that the beginning of construction is immanent. Hopefully the Odeon building will also be refurbished back into a world class concert and conference centre. Some more good news that would certainly be.[/p][/quote]If you hadn't noticed Leeds has a world class arena. They built it with the LBA money when we built a pond that has so far generated about £2 million of the £80 million we were told it was going to generate. I agree with you that the Odeon could be a conference venue but it wouldn't be world class.[/p][/quote]What you don't hear about the Leeds Arena is the running costs and the fact many of the tickets (up to 50% of capacity in some cases) are given free to council staff[/p][/quote]If it was in Bradford that's all we'd hear about on here. And if City Park was in Leeds and looked exactly the same everyone on here would be saying how amazing it is.[/p][/quote]You know what many on here are like. On the planet some posters are on Leeds is Shangri-la and even the dog mess smells of ylang ylang in Leeds[/p][/quote]In terms of a retail centre Leeds is Shangri-La compared to Bradford. It's not perfect but I can be there in 20 minutes on the train and it has all the shops I would ever want, sadly the same can't be said for Bradford.[/p][/quote]I could browse a much larger selection of shops without even leaving my bed on my laptop.[/p][/quote]That's a silly argument and it applies equally to Bradford as it does Leeds. BD16

10:26am Fri 6 Dec 13

bhuna156 says...

Avro wrote:
bhuna156 wrote:
Ernest Jones and a bigger H Samuel and River Island will be good additions for Bradford. I would like to see more of fashion chains sign up, like H&M, Zavi and Monsoon though, and a bigger Topshop would be nice.
Don't you mean good addition, we already have a Samuels!

For Westfield to be a success, it needs to be at least 50% new shops to Bradford, otherwise there is little point in regurgitatiing what we already have in a different location!
The current H Samuel, River Island, Topshop and M&S are town-size stores. Bradford needs new stores AND larger city size stores for these retailers and maybe a few others.

I don't think they'll be more than 35 stores relocating somehow.
[quote][p][bold]Avro[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bhuna156[/bold] wrote: Ernest Jones and a bigger H Samuel and River Island will be good additions for Bradford. I would like to see more of fashion chains sign up, like H&M, Zavi and Monsoon though, and a bigger Topshop would be nice.[/p][/quote]Don't you mean good addition, we already have a Samuels! For Westfield to be a success, it needs to be at least 50% new shops to Bradford, otherwise there is little point in regurgitatiing what we already have in a different location![/p][/quote]The current H Samuel, River Island, Topshop and M&S are town-size stores. Bradford needs new stores AND larger city size stores for these retailers and maybe a few others. I don't think they'll be more than 35 stores relocating somehow. bhuna156

11:05am Fri 6 Dec 13

Pondlover says...

CITD John Lewis the anchor store, there is built up demand for luxury high end retailers, that is why Victoria Gate is being built. The knock on effect of retail space then becoming available is bad news for Bradford. BTW The scheme is £600m, your figure of £130m is for the first phase only......

Whoever made the point about online shopping does have a point, it was nothing like what it is now when Westfield Bradford was proposed. Things are moving so fast, it's not just Bradford that has had and will continue to suffer retail decline, a second rate downsized mall will not reverse anything, but it will remove that space, unique, and it will cut off Little Germany.

IF it as built and IF it was a success, the rest of the city centre would be utterly dismal, making todays dismal look good. Then space provides a chance for Bradford an opportunitiy to dare to be different.
CITD John Lewis the anchor store, there is built up demand for luxury high end retailers, that is why Victoria Gate is being built. The knock on effect of retail space then becoming available is bad news for Bradford. BTW The scheme is £600m, your figure of £130m is for the first phase only...... Whoever made the point about online shopping does have a point, it was nothing like what it is now when Westfield Bradford was proposed. Things are moving so fast, it's not just Bradford that has had and will continue to suffer retail decline, a second rate downsized mall will not reverse anything, but it will remove that space, unique, and it will cut off Little Germany. IF it as built and IF it was a success, the rest of the city centre would be utterly dismal, making todays dismal look good. Then space provides a chance for Bradford an opportunitiy to dare to be different. Pondlover

2:47pm Fri 6 Dec 13

Ahrmen Aleg says...

bhuna156 wrote:
Avro wrote:
bhuna156 wrote:
Ernest Jones and a bigger H Samuel and River Island will be good additions for Bradford. I would like to see more of fashion chains sign up, like H&M, Zavi and Monsoon though, and a bigger Topshop would be nice.
Don't you mean good addition, we already have a Samuels!

For Westfield to be a success, it needs to be at least 50% new shops to Bradford, otherwise there is little point in regurgitatiing what we already have in a different location!
The current H Samuel, River Island, Topshop and M&S are town-size stores. Bradford needs new stores AND larger city size stores for these retailers and maybe a few others.

I don't think they'll be more than 35 stores relocating somehow.
So why is the current Marks and Spencer always quiet?
I"d say they need a smaller site with Bradfords poor demographic with a prediction that within 10 years half the population will be under 25 with little or no job prospects in this failing city.

The future is not good and is very poor now
[quote][p][bold]bhuna156[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Avro[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bhuna156[/bold] wrote: Ernest Jones and a bigger H Samuel and River Island will be good additions for Bradford. I would like to see more of fashion chains sign up, like H&M, Zavi and Monsoon though, and a bigger Topshop would be nice.[/p][/quote]Don't you mean good addition, we already have a Samuels! For Westfield to be a success, it needs to be at least 50% new shops to Bradford, otherwise there is little point in regurgitatiing what we already have in a different location![/p][/quote]The current H Samuel, River Island, Topshop and M&S are town-size stores. Bradford needs new stores AND larger city size stores for these retailers and maybe a few others. I don't think they'll be more than 35 stores relocating somehow.[/p][/quote]So why is the current Marks and Spencer always quiet? I"d say they need a smaller site with Bradfords poor demographic with a prediction that within 10 years half the population will be under 25 with little or no job prospects in this failing city. The future is not good and is very poor now Ahrmen Aleg

3:14pm Fri 6 Dec 13

Pondlover says...

The problem is M&S and also WH Smiths are refusing to spend any money, on maintenance whist they wait (forever) to move into Westfield. M&S is like something you'd find a town of 20k, in 1935! The fixtures and fittings are now so old that it has, accidentally, taken on a retro feel, it's actually nice!

WH Smiths on the other had is an absolute disgrace, the carpet is more patches and chewing gum than carpet, it has been for years, it is disgusting and surely a health hazard.

Sound the death knell for Westfield and those 2 shops would be refurbished quickly, there would be a point.
The problem is M&S and also WH Smiths are refusing to spend any money, on maintenance whist they wait (forever) to move into Westfield. M&S is like something you'd find a town of 20k, in 1935! The fixtures and fittings are now so old that it has, accidentally, taken on a retro feel, it's actually nice! WH Smiths on the other had is an absolute disgrace, the carpet is more patches and chewing gum than carpet, it has been for years, it is disgusting and surely a health hazard. Sound the death knell for Westfield and those 2 shops would be refurbished quickly, there would be a point. Pondlover

4:02pm Fri 6 Dec 13

bcfc1903 says...

Pondlover wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote:
Pondlover wrote:
schroeder wrote:
Pondlover wrote:
C.T.I.D wrote:
SinnerSaint wrote:
BD16 wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote:
Excellent news, Ernest Jones Jewllers sells quality merchandise so this has to be a welcome addition to the Westfield shopping centre. Hopefully the signs are good that the beginning of construction is immanent. Hopefully the Odeon building will also be refurbished back into a world class concert and conference centre. Some more good news that would certainly be.
If you hadn't noticed Leeds has a world class arena. They built it with the LBA money when we built a pond that has so far generated about £2 million of the £80 million we were told it was going to generate.

I agree with you that the Odeon could be a conference venue but it wouldn't be world class.
Bradford isn't a world class city. It has a council full of world class idiots, inner city full of world class drug dealers, insurance fraudsters and benefits cheats but it's definitely not a world class city.
Neither is Leeds
Leeds is not a world class city I agree, but is does have world class shopping facilities, I rate it behind London & Birmingham (but not for long) in the UK, thankfully it is on our doorstep.
The only thing in Leeds that could be considered world class is the Victorian Quarter, and even that is nothing special compared to some arcades in the truly great cities across Europe. Trinity certainly isn't world class.

Leeds is behind London, Birmingham, Manchester, Liverpool, Newcastle, Bristol, Nottingham and York as a visitor destination in my opinion.
As a visitor destination you might be right, but as a shopping destination Leeds is better than Milan, Madrid, Barcelona and Munich. Newcastle is nothing compared to Leeds, I've lived there, nor is Nottingham or York. Bristol is good, I'll give you that, but it doesn't have the upper end stores Leeds has. Manchester is comparable, maybe better Liverpool is surprisingly good but it's Leeds on the ascent right now, just look at what is coming next. It's accepted in retail business circles that Leeds will be number 3, after London & Birmingham.

Let's enjoy it and hope Bradford doesn't waste time & money trying to play a game it cannot compete in, never mind win. It has fabulous Victorian architecture, the wonderful and iconic domes of the theatre & Odeon, it has to go in a different direction.

Nobody has any idea why Huddersfield is doing well and attracting investment, enabling large centre schemes to be built right now, but Bradford still fails? TBH I don't know..
Look, I've nothing against Leeds...but come on please .... better than Milan, Madrid, Barcelona and Munich as a shopping destination you must be having a laugh....there has to be a punch line or someones casting for a bite...:-)
I am only talking about retail, Leeds is better for shopping, I am not claiming anything else or talking about visitor "attractions" only retail, that is what this thread is about.. In fact since the late 1980's only Barcelona in Europe, has re-invented itself so spectacularly, that was dump then too. Barcelona cleaned up and made a waterfront, Leeds cleaned up and chased retail & finance, Leeds centre is unrecogniseable to the late 1980's when I worked in it, the thought of a Harvey Nicholls would have been laughable.
I'm finding this hard to swallow but seeing I've never shopped in any of the cities mentioned...then I'm hardly in a position to argue....Who's Harvey Nichols ...:-)
Bradford is in the process of reinventing it's self although it's always been a producer city. Once the steel starts getting erected on the Westfield site Bradford will start moving forward, a world class concert, arts and conference centre would be a fantastic addition using the old Odeon building catering for no more than 3,500/4000 filling a gap in the market in West Yorkshire, not all world class acts can come anywhere near filling the fantastic arena facility in Leeds....as I've said many times the proposed Bradford facility should imo be called the Delius, Rothenstein and Wolfe.
[quote][p][bold]Pondlover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pondlover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]schroeder[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pondlover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]C.T.I.D[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BD16[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: Excellent news, Ernest Jones Jewllers sells quality merchandise so this has to be a welcome addition to the Westfield shopping centre. Hopefully the signs are good that the beginning of construction is immanent. Hopefully the Odeon building will also be refurbished back into a world class concert and conference centre. Some more good news that would certainly be.[/p][/quote]If you hadn't noticed Leeds has a world class arena. They built it with the LBA money when we built a pond that has so far generated about £2 million of the £80 million we were told it was going to generate. I agree with you that the Odeon could be a conference venue but it wouldn't be world class.[/p][/quote]Bradford isn't a world class city. It has a council full of world class idiots, inner city full of world class drug dealers, insurance fraudsters and benefits cheats but it's definitely not a world class city.[/p][/quote]Neither is Leeds[/p][/quote]Leeds is not a world class city I agree, but is does have world class shopping facilities, I rate it behind London & Birmingham (but not for long) in the UK, thankfully it is on our doorstep.[/p][/quote]The only thing in Leeds that could be considered world class is the Victorian Quarter, and even that is nothing special compared to some arcades in the truly great cities across Europe. Trinity certainly isn't world class. Leeds is behind London, Birmingham, Manchester, Liverpool, Newcastle, Bristol, Nottingham and York as a visitor destination in my opinion.[/p][/quote]As a visitor destination you might be right, but as a shopping destination Leeds is better than Milan, Madrid, Barcelona and Munich. Newcastle is nothing compared to Leeds, I've lived there, nor is Nottingham or York. Bristol is good, I'll give you that, but it doesn't have the upper end stores Leeds has. Manchester is comparable, maybe better Liverpool is surprisingly good but it's Leeds on the ascent right now, just look at what is coming next. It's accepted in retail business circles that Leeds will be number 3, after London & Birmingham. Let's enjoy it and hope Bradford doesn't waste time & money trying to play a game it cannot compete in, never mind win. It has fabulous Victorian architecture, the wonderful and iconic domes of the theatre & Odeon, it has to go in a different direction. Nobody has any idea why Huddersfield is doing well and attracting investment, enabling large centre schemes to be built right now, but Bradford still fails? TBH I don't know..[/p][/quote]Look, I've nothing against Leeds...but come on please .... better than Milan, Madrid, Barcelona and Munich as a shopping destination you must be having a laugh....there has to be a punch line or someones casting for a bite...:-)[/p][/quote]I am only talking about retail, Leeds is better for shopping, I am not claiming anything else or talking about visitor "attractions" only retail, that is what this thread is about.. In fact since the late 1980's only Barcelona in Europe, has re-invented itself so spectacularly, that was dump then too. Barcelona cleaned up and made a waterfront, Leeds cleaned up and chased retail & finance, Leeds centre is unrecogniseable to the late 1980's when I worked in it, the thought of a Harvey Nicholls would have been laughable.[/p][/quote]I'm finding this hard to swallow but seeing I've never shopped in any of the cities mentioned...then I'm hardly in a position to argue....Who's Harvey Nichols ...:-) Bradford is in the process of reinventing it's self although it's always been a producer city. Once the steel starts getting erected on the Westfield site Bradford will start moving forward, a world class concert, arts and conference centre would be a fantastic addition using the old Odeon building catering for no more than 3,500/4000 filling a gap in the market in West Yorkshire, not all world class acts can come anywhere near filling the fantastic arena facility in Leeds....as I've said many times the proposed Bradford facility should imo be called the Delius, Rothenstein and Wolfe. bcfc1903

5:08pm Fri 6 Dec 13

bhuna156 says...

Pondlover wrote:
The problem is M&S and also WH Smiths are refusing to spend any money, on maintenance whist they wait (forever) to move into Westfield. M&S is like something you'd find a town of 20k, in 1935! The fixtures and fittings are now so old that it has, accidentally, taken on a retro feel, it's actually nice!

WH Smiths on the other had is an absolute disgrace, the carpet is more patches and chewing gum than carpet, it has been for years, it is disgusting and surely a health hazard.

Sound the death knell for Westfield and those 2 shops would be refurbished quickly, there would be a point.
Why would WH Smiths and M&S spend money on refurbishing their stores when they're relocating to Westfield in a couple of years? And you said yourself the M&S has a nice retro feel to it so that's what they probably think too.
[quote][p][bold]Pondlover[/bold] wrote: The problem is M&S and also WH Smiths are refusing to spend any money, on maintenance whist they wait (forever) to move into Westfield. M&S is like something you'd find a town of 20k, in 1935! The fixtures and fittings are now so old that it has, accidentally, taken on a retro feel, it's actually nice! WH Smiths on the other had is an absolute disgrace, the carpet is more patches and chewing gum than carpet, it has been for years, it is disgusting and surely a health hazard. Sound the death knell for Westfield and those 2 shops would be refurbished quickly, there would be a point.[/p][/quote]Why would WH Smiths and M&S spend money on refurbishing their stores when they're relocating to Westfield in a couple of years? And you said yourself the M&S has a nice retro feel to it so that's what they probably think too. bhuna156

5:19pm Fri 6 Dec 13

bhuna156 says...

Ahrmen Aleg wrote:
bhuna156 wrote:
Avro wrote:
bhuna156 wrote:
Ernest Jones and a bigger H Samuel and River Island will be good additions for Bradford. I would like to see more of fashion chains sign up, like H&M, Zavi and Monsoon though, and a bigger Topshop would be nice.
Don't you mean good addition, we already have a Samuels!

For Westfield to be a success, it needs to be at least 50% new shops to Bradford, otherwise there is little point in regurgitatiing what we already have in a different location!
The current H Samuel, River Island, Topshop and M&S are town-size stores. Bradford needs new stores AND larger city size stores for these retailers and maybe a few others.

I don't think they'll be more than 35 stores relocating somehow.
So why is the current Marks and Spencer always quiet?
I"d say they need a smaller site with Bradfords poor demographic with a prediction that within 10 years half the population will be under 25 with little or no job prospects in this failing city.

The future is not good and is very poor now
It's just as "quiet" as the M&S stores in Halifax and Keighley I've noticed because I've been in all 3 of those stores recently.

They obviously have confidence in Bradford and feel it's viable for them to expand into a much larger store in the city, so either you have your facts and figures wrong or they have.
[quote][p][bold]Ahrmen Aleg[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bhuna156[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Avro[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bhuna156[/bold] wrote: Ernest Jones and a bigger H Samuel and River Island will be good additions for Bradford. I would like to see more of fashion chains sign up, like H&M, Zavi and Monsoon though, and a bigger Topshop would be nice.[/p][/quote]Don't you mean good addition, we already have a Samuels! For Westfield to be a success, it needs to be at least 50% new shops to Bradford, otherwise there is little point in regurgitatiing what we already have in a different location![/p][/quote]The current H Samuel, River Island, Topshop and M&S are town-size stores. Bradford needs new stores AND larger city size stores for these retailers and maybe a few others. I don't think they'll be more than 35 stores relocating somehow.[/p][/quote]So why is the current Marks and Spencer always quiet? I"d say they need a smaller site with Bradfords poor demographic with a prediction that within 10 years half the population will be under 25 with little or no job prospects in this failing city. The future is not good and is very poor now[/p][/quote]It's just as "quiet" as the M&S stores in Halifax and Keighley I've noticed because I've been in all 3 of those stores recently. They obviously have confidence in Bradford and feel it's viable for them to expand into a much larger store in the city, so either you have your facts and figures wrong or they have. bhuna156

5:31pm Fri 6 Dec 13

Pondlover says...

bhuna156 wrote:
Pondlover wrote:
The problem is M&S and also WH Smiths are refusing to spend any money, on maintenance whist they wait (forever) to move into Westfield. M&S is like something you'd find a town of 20k, in 1935! The fixtures and fittings are now so old that it has, accidentally, taken on a retro feel, it's actually nice!

WH Smiths on the other had is an absolute disgrace, the carpet is more patches and chewing gum than carpet, it has been for years, it is disgusting and surely a health hazard.

Sound the death knell for Westfield and those 2 shops would be refurbished quickly, there would be a point.
Why would WH Smiths and M&S spend money on refurbishing their stores when they're relocating to Westfield in a couple of years? And you said yourself the M&S has a nice retro feel to it so that's what they probably think too.
1903 I agree about a world class facility, Leeds spent it's airport money on one and it's now open. I wish that money had been spent on the Odeon. It will never be 3500/4000 capacity, it is not financially viable for Bradford, it will be (if it goes ahead) 2000/2500 and will compete with the O2, the next tier down acts from the mega acts that will go to Leeds Arena, it's an iconi9c building and I believe it could compete.

Bhuna, M&S & WH Smiths have done nothing for a decade, the latter is an absolute disgrace. M&S, well I like it even though the stock level is pitiful, the retro feel has been achieved accidentally, everybody may not like it! It's an impasse, the stores are poorly stocked and maintained but there is no incentive to spend money, and all the time the footfall drops............
[quote][p][bold]bhuna156[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pondlover[/bold] wrote: The problem is M&S and also WH Smiths are refusing to spend any money, on maintenance whist they wait (forever) to move into Westfield. M&S is like something you'd find a town of 20k, in 1935! The fixtures and fittings are now so old that it has, accidentally, taken on a retro feel, it's actually nice! WH Smiths on the other had is an absolute disgrace, the carpet is more patches and chewing gum than carpet, it has been for years, it is disgusting and surely a health hazard. Sound the death knell for Westfield and those 2 shops would be refurbished quickly, there would be a point.[/p][/quote]Why would WH Smiths and M&S spend money on refurbishing their stores when they're relocating to Westfield in a couple of years? And you said yourself the M&S has a nice retro feel to it so that's what they probably think too.[/p][/quote]1903 I agree about a world class facility, Leeds spent it's airport money on one and it's now open. I wish that money had been spent on the Odeon. It will never be 3500/4000 capacity, it is not financially viable for Bradford, it will be (if it goes ahead) 2000/2500 and will compete with the O2, the next tier down acts from the mega acts that will go to Leeds Arena, it's an iconi9c building and I believe it could compete. Bhuna, M&S & WH Smiths have done nothing for a decade, the latter is an absolute disgrace. M&S, well I like it even though the stock level is pitiful, the retro feel has been achieved accidentally, everybody may not like it! It's an impasse, the stores are poorly stocked and maintained but there is no incentive to spend money, and all the time the footfall drops............ Pondlover

7:34pm Fri 6 Dec 13

bcfc1903 says...

Pondlover wrote:
bhuna156 wrote:
Pondlover wrote:
The problem is M&S and also WH Smiths are refusing to spend any money, on maintenance whist they wait (forever) to move into Westfield. M&S is like something you'd find a town of 20k, in 1935! The fixtures and fittings are now so old that it has, accidentally, taken on a retro feel, it's actually nice!

WH Smiths on the other had is an absolute disgrace, the carpet is more patches and chewing gum than carpet, it has been for years, it is disgusting and surely a health hazard.

Sound the death knell for Westfield and those 2 shops would be refurbished quickly, there would be a point.
Why would WH Smiths and M&S spend money on refurbishing their stores when they're relocating to Westfield in a couple of years? And you said yourself the M&S has a nice retro feel to it so that's what they probably think too.
1903 I agree about a world class facility, Leeds spent it's airport money on one and it's now open. I wish that money had been spent on the Odeon. It will never be 3500/4000 capacity, it is not financially viable for Bradford, it will be (if it goes ahead) 2000/2500 and will compete with the O2, the next tier down acts from the mega acts that will go to Leeds Arena, it's an iconi9c building and I believe it could compete.

Bhuna, M&S & WH Smiths have done nothing for a decade, the latter is an absolute disgrace. M&S, well I like it even though the stock level is pitiful, the retro feel has been achieved accidentally, everybody may not like it! It's an impasse, the stores are poorly stocked and maintained but there is no incentive to spend money, and all the time the footfall drops............
I believe if the spec is world class a Odeon in Bradford with a capacity of 3,500/4,000 could fill a void between the O2 and Leeds Arena, why compete with either. Personally i would like some kind of hook up between both. I'm a big big rock music fan, For example Paul Rodgers (Free, Bad Company) could not imo hope to fill the Leeds Arena, no where near as a solo artist but he'd pull in 3,000 easily in Bradford just with his Free connection, if he brings his band Bad Company he could pull in a possible capacity in Leeds, There is also potential opportunities regarding holding conferences with the right facilities with all the knock on benefits to hotels in Bradford and Leeds. What can't be allowed to continue is the status quo where there isn't enough folk coming into the city of Bradford spending money in the evening.
[quote][p][bold]Pondlover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bhuna156[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pondlover[/bold] wrote: The problem is M&S and also WH Smiths are refusing to spend any money, on maintenance whist they wait (forever) to move into Westfield. M&S is like something you'd find a town of 20k, in 1935! The fixtures and fittings are now so old that it has, accidentally, taken on a retro feel, it's actually nice! WH Smiths on the other had is an absolute disgrace, the carpet is more patches and chewing gum than carpet, it has been for years, it is disgusting and surely a health hazard. Sound the death knell for Westfield and those 2 shops would be refurbished quickly, there would be a point.[/p][/quote]Why would WH Smiths and M&S spend money on refurbishing their stores when they're relocating to Westfield in a couple of years? And you said yourself the M&S has a nice retro feel to it so that's what they probably think too.[/p][/quote]1903 I agree about a world class facility, Leeds spent it's airport money on one and it's now open. I wish that money had been spent on the Odeon. It will never be 3500/4000 capacity, it is not financially viable for Bradford, it will be (if it goes ahead) 2000/2500 and will compete with the O2, the next tier down acts from the mega acts that will go to Leeds Arena, it's an iconi9c building and I believe it could compete. Bhuna, M&S & WH Smiths have done nothing for a decade, the latter is an absolute disgrace. M&S, well I like it even though the stock level is pitiful, the retro feel has been achieved accidentally, everybody may not like it! It's an impasse, the stores are poorly stocked and maintained but there is no incentive to spend money, and all the time the footfall drops............[/p][/quote]I believe if the spec is world class a Odeon in Bradford with a capacity of 3,500/4,000 could fill a void between the O2 and Leeds Arena, why compete with either. Personally i would like some kind of hook up between both. I'm a big big rock music fan, For example Paul Rodgers (Free, Bad Company) could not imo hope to fill the Leeds Arena, no where near as a solo artist but he'd pull in 3,000 easily in Bradford just with his Free connection, if he brings his band Bad Company he could pull in a possible capacity in Leeds, There is also potential opportunities regarding holding conferences with the right facilities with all the knock on benefits to hotels in Bradford and Leeds. What can't be allowed to continue is the status quo where there isn't enough folk coming into the city of Bradford spending money in the evening. bcfc1903

8:58pm Fri 6 Dec 13

C.T.I.D says...

Pondlover wrote:
bhuna156 wrote:
Pondlover wrote:
The problem is M&S and also WH Smiths are refusing to spend any money, on maintenance whist they wait (forever) to move into Westfield. M&S is like something you'd find a town of 20k, in 1935! The fixtures and fittings are now so old that it has, accidentally, taken on a retro feel, it's actually nice!

WH Smiths on the other had is an absolute disgrace, the carpet is more patches and chewing gum than carpet, it has been for years, it is disgusting and surely a health hazard.

Sound the death knell for Westfield and those 2 shops would be refurbished quickly, there would be a point.
Why would WH Smiths and M&S spend money on refurbishing their stores when they're relocating to Westfield in a couple of years? And you said yourself the M&S has a nice retro feel to it so that's what they probably think too.
1903 I agree about a world class facility, Leeds spent it's airport money on one and it's now open. I wish that money had been spent on the Odeon. It will never be 3500/4000 capacity, it is not financially viable for Bradford, it will be (if it goes ahead) 2000/2500 and will compete with the O2, the next tier down acts from the mega acts that will go to Leeds Arena, it's an iconi9c building and I believe it could compete.

Bhuna, M&S & WH Smiths have done nothing for a decade, the latter is an absolute disgrace. M&S, well I like it even though the stock level is pitiful, the retro feel has been achieved accidentally, everybody may not like it! It's an impasse, the stores are poorly stocked and maintained but there is no incentive to spend money, and all the time the footfall drops............
Did Leeds get more than 3x more money from the sale of the airport then?

Leeds arena is failing to attract the current global superstars, the biggest names on the upcoming events are Wet Wet Wet and Status Quo. Wow.

The like of One Direction and Eminem seem to be avoiding Leeds on their UK tour next year, but going to Manchester and even Sunderland instead.
[quote][p][bold]Pondlover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bhuna156[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pondlover[/bold] wrote: The problem is M&S and also WH Smiths are refusing to spend any money, on maintenance whist they wait (forever) to move into Westfield. M&S is like something you'd find a town of 20k, in 1935! The fixtures and fittings are now so old that it has, accidentally, taken on a retro feel, it's actually nice! WH Smiths on the other had is an absolute disgrace, the carpet is more patches and chewing gum than carpet, it has been for years, it is disgusting and surely a health hazard. Sound the death knell for Westfield and those 2 shops would be refurbished quickly, there would be a point.[/p][/quote]Why would WH Smiths and M&S spend money on refurbishing their stores when they're relocating to Westfield in a couple of years? And you said yourself the M&S has a nice retro feel to it so that's what they probably think too.[/p][/quote]1903 I agree about a world class facility, Leeds spent it's airport money on one and it's now open. I wish that money had been spent on the Odeon. It will never be 3500/4000 capacity, it is not financially viable for Bradford, it will be (if it goes ahead) 2000/2500 and will compete with the O2, the next tier down acts from the mega acts that will go to Leeds Arena, it's an iconi9c building and I believe it could compete. Bhuna, M&S & WH Smiths have done nothing for a decade, the latter is an absolute disgrace. M&S, well I like it even though the stock level is pitiful, the retro feel has been achieved accidentally, everybody may not like it! It's an impasse, the stores are poorly stocked and maintained but there is no incentive to spend money, and all the time the footfall drops............[/p][/quote]Did Leeds get more than 3x more money from the sale of the airport then? Leeds arena is failing to attract the current global superstars, the biggest names on the upcoming events are Wet Wet Wet and Status Quo. Wow. The like of One Direction and Eminem seem to be avoiding Leeds on their UK tour next year, but going to Manchester and even Sunderland instead. C.T.I.D

9:35pm Fri 6 Dec 13

Pondlover says...

CTID, stop being silly, Elton John, Rod Stewart, Depeche Mode & Bruce Springsteen have played there this year, how big do you want acts to be?

1903, I agree, I'd like a big venue........ but, it costs a lot of cash to put in another 1500/2000 seats and more importantly, you'd have to fill it very regularly to make a profit, I don't think that can happen. Leeds has the major acts sown up, they can't afford (Or don't want) to come to smaller venues, but a revamped Odeon would be able to compete against O2 no problem.
CTID, stop being silly, Elton John, Rod Stewart, Depeche Mode & Bruce Springsteen have played there this year, how big do you want acts to be? 1903, I agree, I'd like a big venue........ but, it costs a lot of cash to put in another 1500/2000 seats and more importantly, you'd have to fill it very regularly to make a profit, I don't think that can happen. Leeds has the major acts sown up, they can't afford (Or don't want) to come to smaller venues, but a revamped Odeon would be able to compete against O2 no problem. Pondlover

9:39pm Fri 6 Dec 13

Pondlover says...

...Something like this is where Bradford can start to recover, a catalyst, something that brings people in, people needing food & drink and maybe somewhere to stay. It'll never be through retail, the horse has long since bolted........
...Something like this is where Bradford can start to recover, a catalyst, something that brings people in, people needing food & drink and maybe somewhere to stay. It'll never be through retail, the horse has long since bolted........ Pondlover

10:26pm Fri 6 Dec 13

C.T.I.D says...

Pondlover wrote:
CTID, stop being silly, Elton John, Rod Stewart, Depeche Mode & Bruce Springsteen have played there this year, how big do you want acts to be?

1903, I agree, I'd like a big venue........ but, it costs a lot of cash to put in another 1500/2000 seats and more importantly, you'd have to fill it very regularly to make a profit, I don't think that can happen. Leeds has the major acts sown up, they can't afford (Or don't want) to come to smaller venues, but a revamped Odeon would be able to compete against O2 no problem.
All the hip and modern acts then... when was the last time any of them had a hit single?
Russell Brand played St Georges Hall recently, he's much more relevant than anything that's been on at Leeds arena.
[quote][p][bold]Pondlover[/bold] wrote: CTID, stop being silly, Elton John, Rod Stewart, Depeche Mode & Bruce Springsteen have played there this year, how big do you want acts to be? 1903, I agree, I'd like a big venue........ but, it costs a lot of cash to put in another 1500/2000 seats and more importantly, you'd have to fill it very regularly to make a profit, I don't think that can happen. Leeds has the major acts sown up, they can't afford (Or don't want) to come to smaller venues, but a revamped Odeon would be able to compete against O2 no problem.[/p][/quote]All the hip and modern acts then... when was the last time any of them had a hit single? Russell Brand played St Georges Hall recently, he's much more relevant than anything that's been on at Leeds arena. C.T.I.D

10:49pm Fri 6 Dec 13

bhuna156 says...

When Westfield is built and the Odeon is redeveloped I'll be more than happy with Bradford.
When Westfield is built and the Odeon is redeveloped I'll be more than happy with Bradford. bhuna156

8:14am Sat 7 Dec 13

collos25 says...

So you will be happy with a deserted Darley street an Arndale centre that is nearly empty of shops ,drunkards,beggars and general rif raf that frequent the centre all I can say is that you are very easily pleased,
So you will be happy with a deserted Darley street an Arndale centre that is nearly empty of shops ,drunkards,beggars and general rif raf that frequent the centre all I can say is that you are very easily pleased, collos25

8:44am Sat 7 Dec 13

bhuna156 says...

collos25 wrote:
So you will be happy with a deserted Darley street an Arndale centre that is nearly empty of shops ,drunkards,beggars and general rif raf that frequent the centre all I can say is that you are very easily pleased,
They won't be deserted. A great thing about Westfield is it's very close to the other shopping areas of Bradford like the Kirkgate centre and Forster Square. They will have well used shops that probably won't be in Westfield such as Primark, New Look, Boots, Poundland and Argos.

And I always see much more drunks and beggers in Leeds than I do in Bradford.
[quote][p][bold]collos25[/bold] wrote: So you will be happy with a deserted Darley street an Arndale centre that is nearly empty of shops ,drunkards,beggars and general rif raf that frequent the centre all I can say is that you are very easily pleased,[/p][/quote]They won't be deserted. A great thing about Westfield is it's very close to the other shopping areas of Bradford like the Kirkgate centre and Forster Square. They will have well used shops that probably won't be in Westfield such as Primark, New Look, Boots, Poundland and Argos. And I always see much more drunks and beggers in Leeds than I do in Bradford. bhuna156

9:37am Sat 7 Dec 13

Pondlover says...

C.T.I.D wrote:
Pondlover wrote:
CTID, stop being silly, Elton John, Rod Stewart, Depeche Mode & Bruce Springsteen have played there this year, how big do you want acts to be?

1903, I agree, I'd like a big venue........ but, it costs a lot of cash to put in another 1500/2000 seats and more importantly, you'd have to fill it very regularly to make a profit, I don't think that can happen. Leeds has the major acts sown up, they can't afford (Or don't want) to come to smaller venues, but a revamped Odeon would be able to compete against O2 no problem.
All the hip and modern acts then... when was the last time any of them had a hit single?
Russell Brand played St Georges Hall recently, he's much more relevant than anything that's been on at Leeds arena.
Hit single! it's not the 1980's, they are hardly relevant today, I quoted you bone fide world class stars, all have played at the Leeds Arena. Russell Brand? 13500 seats? Ha ha ha...........funny as owt!
[quote][p][bold]C.T.I.D[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pondlover[/bold] wrote: CTID, stop being silly, Elton John, Rod Stewart, Depeche Mode & Bruce Springsteen have played there this year, how big do you want acts to be? 1903, I agree, I'd like a big venue........ but, it costs a lot of cash to put in another 1500/2000 seats and more importantly, you'd have to fill it very regularly to make a profit, I don't think that can happen. Leeds has the major acts sown up, they can't afford (Or don't want) to come to smaller venues, but a revamped Odeon would be able to compete against O2 no problem.[/p][/quote]All the hip and modern acts then... when was the last time any of them had a hit single? Russell Brand played St Georges Hall recently, he's much more relevant than anything that's been on at Leeds arena.[/p][/quote]Hit single! it's not the 1980's, they are hardly relevant today, I quoted you bone fide world class stars, all have played at the Leeds Arena. Russell Brand? 13500 seats? Ha ha ha...........funny as owt! Pondlover

9:51am Sat 7 Dec 13

C.T.I.D says...

Pondlover wrote:
C.T.I.D wrote:
Pondlover wrote:
CTID, stop being silly, Elton John, Rod Stewart, Depeche Mode & Bruce Springsteen have played there this year, how big do you want acts to be?

1903, I agree, I'd like a big venue........ but, it costs a lot of cash to put in another 1500/2000 seats and more importantly, you'd have to fill it very regularly to make a profit, I don't think that can happen. Leeds has the major acts sown up, they can't afford (Or don't want) to come to smaller venues, but a revamped Odeon would be able to compete against O2 no problem.
All the hip and modern acts then... when was the last time any of them had a hit single?
Russell Brand played St Georges Hall recently, he's much more relevant than anything that's been on at Leeds arena.
Hit single! it's not the 1980's, they are hardly relevant today, I quoted you bone fide world class stars, all have played at the Leeds Arena. Russell Brand? 13500 seats? Ha ha ha...........funny as owt!
It's not the 1980's, exactly. So they aren't world class stars any more.

And Russell Brand has sold out arenas bigger than Leeds before.
[quote][p][bold]Pondlover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]C.T.I.D[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pondlover[/bold] wrote: CTID, stop being silly, Elton John, Rod Stewart, Depeche Mode & Bruce Springsteen have played there this year, how big do you want acts to be? 1903, I agree, I'd like a big venue........ but, it costs a lot of cash to put in another 1500/2000 seats and more importantly, you'd have to fill it very regularly to make a profit, I don't think that can happen. Leeds has the major acts sown up, they can't afford (Or don't want) to come to smaller venues, but a revamped Odeon would be able to compete against O2 no problem.[/p][/quote]All the hip and modern acts then... when was the last time any of them had a hit single? Russell Brand played St Georges Hall recently, he's much more relevant than anything that's been on at Leeds arena.[/p][/quote]Hit single! it's not the 1980's, they are hardly relevant today, I quoted you bone fide world class stars, all have played at the Leeds Arena. Russell Brand? 13500 seats? Ha ha ha...........funny as owt![/p][/quote]It's not the 1980's, exactly. So they aren't world class stars any more. And Russell Brand has sold out arenas bigger than Leeds before. C.T.I.D

10:14am Sat 7 Dec 13

Pondlover says...

C.T.I.D wrote:
Pondlover wrote:
C.T.I.D wrote:
Pondlover wrote:
CTID, stop being silly, Elton John, Rod Stewart, Depeche Mode & Bruce Springsteen have played there this year, how big do you want acts to be?

1903, I agree, I'd like a big venue........ but, it costs a lot of cash to put in another 1500/2000 seats and more importantly, you'd have to fill it very regularly to make a profit, I don't think that can happen. Leeds has the major acts sown up, they can't afford (Or don't want) to come to smaller venues, but a revamped Odeon would be able to compete against O2 no problem.
All the hip and modern acts then... when was the last time any of them had a hit single?
Russell Brand played St Georges Hall recently, he's much more relevant than anything that's been on at Leeds arena.
Hit single! it's not the 1980's, they are hardly relevant today, I quoted you bone fide world class stars, all have played at the Leeds Arena. Russell Brand? 13500 seats? Ha ha ha...........funny as owt!
It's not the 1980's, exactly. So they aren't world class stars any more.

And Russell Brand has sold out arenas bigger than Leeds before.
Don't carry on being silly, the names I mentioned are world class stars, that is they are world renowned, can sell out any arena, anywhere, anytime they feel like it. How many people in Idaho do you suppose have heard of Mr Brand and would like to buy a ticket to see him?

What are you actually arguing against? Leeds have built a purpose specific arena (hopefully Bradford will not configure one the same) and it is attracting the top names that Leeds could not before = food, drink, lodging etc. I do not think Dolly Parton, Robbie Wiliams or The Eagles will need a "hit single" to sell out in Leeds this year!

The O2 is not so good, the Cockpit too small, there is real opportunity for Bradford to make the Odeon specifically for the next lower tier of stars/attractions, those that are too small or cannot afford the Arena costs, the O2 is not great, the Odeon could be much better. With 13500 at Leeds arena for every big star, the hotels in Bradford need to get their fingers out and try and pick up some business too, using cheaper rates and rapid rail links.
[quote][p][bold]C.T.I.D[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pondlover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]C.T.I.D[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pondlover[/bold] wrote: CTID, stop being silly, Elton John, Rod Stewart, Depeche Mode & Bruce Springsteen have played there this year, how big do you want acts to be? 1903, I agree, I'd like a big venue........ but, it costs a lot of cash to put in another 1500/2000 seats and more importantly, you'd have to fill it very regularly to make a profit, I don't think that can happen. Leeds has the major acts sown up, they can't afford (Or don't want) to come to smaller venues, but a revamped Odeon would be able to compete against O2 no problem.[/p][/quote]All the hip and modern acts then... when was the last time any of them had a hit single? Russell Brand played St Georges Hall recently, he's much more relevant than anything that's been on at Leeds arena.[/p][/quote]Hit single! it's not the 1980's, they are hardly relevant today, I quoted you bone fide world class stars, all have played at the Leeds Arena. Russell Brand? 13500 seats? Ha ha ha...........funny as owt![/p][/quote]It's not the 1980's, exactly. So they aren't world class stars any more. And Russell Brand has sold out arenas bigger than Leeds before.[/p][/quote]Don't carry on being silly, the names I mentioned are world class stars, that is they are world renowned, can sell out any arena, anywhere, anytime they feel like it. How many people in Idaho do you suppose have heard of Mr Brand and would like to buy a ticket to see him? What are you actually arguing against? Leeds have built a purpose specific arena (hopefully Bradford will not configure one the same) and it is attracting the top names that Leeds could not before = food, drink, lodging etc. I do not think Dolly Parton, Robbie Wiliams or The Eagles will need a "hit single" to sell out in Leeds this year! The O2 is not so good, the Cockpit too small, there is real opportunity for Bradford to make the Odeon specifically for the next lower tier of stars/attractions, those that are too small or cannot afford the Arena costs, the O2 is not great, the Odeon could be much better. With 13500 at Leeds arena for every big star, the hotels in Bradford need to get their fingers out and try and pick up some business too, using cheaper rates and rapid rail links. Pondlover

10:34am Sat 7 Dec 13

bhuna156 says...

Pondlover wrote:
C.T.I.D wrote:
Pondlover wrote:
C.T.I.D wrote:
Pondlover wrote:
CTID, stop being silly, Elton John, Rod Stewart, Depeche Mode & Bruce Springsteen have played there this year, how big do you want acts to be?

1903, I agree, I'd like a big venue........ but, it costs a lot of cash to put in another 1500/2000 seats and more importantly, you'd have to fill it very regularly to make a profit, I don't think that can happen. Leeds has the major acts sown up, they can't afford (Or don't want) to come to smaller venues, but a revamped Odeon would be able to compete against O2 no problem.
All the hip and modern acts then... when was the last time any of them had a hit single?
Russell Brand played St Georges Hall recently, he's much more relevant than anything that's been on at Leeds arena.
Hit single! it's not the 1980's, they are hardly relevant today, I quoted you bone fide world class stars, all have played at the Leeds Arena. Russell Brand? 13500 seats? Ha ha ha...........funny as owt!
It's not the 1980's, exactly. So they aren't world class stars any more.

And Russell Brand has sold out arenas bigger than Leeds before.
Don't carry on being silly, the names I mentioned are world class stars, that is they are world renowned, can sell out any arena, anywhere, anytime they feel like it. How many people in Idaho do you suppose have heard of Mr Brand and would like to buy a ticket to see him?

What are you actually arguing against? Leeds have built a purpose specific arena (hopefully Bradford will not configure one the same) and it is attracting the top names that Leeds could not before = food, drink, lodging etc. I do not think Dolly Parton, Robbie Wiliams or The Eagles will need a "hit single" to sell out in Leeds this year!

The O2 is not so good, the Cockpit too small, there is real opportunity for Bradford to make the Odeon specifically for the next lower tier of stars/attractions, those that are too small or cannot afford the Arena costs, the O2 is not great, the Odeon could be much better. With 13500 at Leeds arena for every big star, the hotels in Bradford need to get their fingers out and try and pick up some business too, using cheaper rates and rapid rail links.
do you think most people who go to one of these concerts will be staying overnight? They wont. These acts tour most of the arenas across the UK, so most people going to Leeds arena will be people fairly local to Leeds.

and why would anyone going to a concert in Leeds stay in a hotel in a different city 10 miles away?
[quote][p][bold]Pondlover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]C.T.I.D[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pondlover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]C.T.I.D[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pondlover[/bold] wrote: CTID, stop being silly, Elton John, Rod Stewart, Depeche Mode & Bruce Springsteen have played there this year, how big do you want acts to be? 1903, I agree, I'd like a big venue........ but, it costs a lot of cash to put in another 1500/2000 seats and more importantly, you'd have to fill it very regularly to make a profit, I don't think that can happen. Leeds has the major acts sown up, they can't afford (Or don't want) to come to smaller venues, but a revamped Odeon would be able to compete against O2 no problem.[/p][/quote]All the hip and modern acts then... when was the last time any of them had a hit single? Russell Brand played St Georges Hall recently, he's much more relevant than anything that's been on at Leeds arena.[/p][/quote]Hit single! it's not the 1980's, they are hardly relevant today, I quoted you bone fide world class stars, all have played at the Leeds Arena. Russell Brand? 13500 seats? Ha ha ha...........funny as owt![/p][/quote]It's not the 1980's, exactly. So they aren't world class stars any more. And Russell Brand has sold out arenas bigger than Leeds before.[/p][/quote]Don't carry on being silly, the names I mentioned are world class stars, that is they are world renowned, can sell out any arena, anywhere, anytime they feel like it. How many people in Idaho do you suppose have heard of Mr Brand and would like to buy a ticket to see him? What are you actually arguing against? Leeds have built a purpose specific arena (hopefully Bradford will not configure one the same) and it is attracting the top names that Leeds could not before = food, drink, lodging etc. I do not think Dolly Parton, Robbie Wiliams or The Eagles will need a "hit single" to sell out in Leeds this year! The O2 is not so good, the Cockpit too small, there is real opportunity for Bradford to make the Odeon specifically for the next lower tier of stars/attractions, those that are too small or cannot afford the Arena costs, the O2 is not great, the Odeon could be much better. With 13500 at Leeds arena for every big star, the hotels in Bradford need to get their fingers out and try and pick up some business too, using cheaper rates and rapid rail links.[/p][/quote]do you think most people who go to one of these concerts will be staying overnight? They wont. These acts tour most of the arenas across the UK, so most people going to Leeds arena will be people fairly local to Leeds. and why would anyone going to a concert in Leeds stay in a hotel in a different city 10 miles away? bhuna156

10:42am Sat 7 Dec 13

C.T.I.D says...

Pondlover - One Direction, Justin Bieber, Lady Gaga, Rihannah, Katy Perry... These are the current global superstars in the music world who have played in Manchester and Sheffield recently - Dolly Parton, Wet Wet Wet and Status Quo are not.
Pondlover - One Direction, Justin Bieber, Lady Gaga, Rihannah, Katy Perry... These are the current global superstars in the music world who have played in Manchester and Sheffield recently - Dolly Parton, Wet Wet Wet and Status Quo are not. C.T.I.D

11:23am Sat 7 Dec 13

Pondlover says...

bhuna156 wrote:
Pondlover wrote:
C.T.I.D wrote:
Pondlover wrote:
C.T.I.D wrote:
Pondlover wrote:
CTID, stop being silly, Elton John, Rod Stewart, Depeche Mode & Bruce Springsteen have played there this year, how big do you want acts to be?

1903, I agree, I'd like a big venue........ but, it costs a lot of cash to put in another 1500/2000 seats and more importantly, you'd have to fill it very regularly to make a profit, I don't think that can happen. Leeds has the major acts sown up, they can't afford (Or don't want) to come to smaller venues, but a revamped Odeon would be able to compete against O2 no problem.
All the hip and modern acts then... when was the last time any of them had a hit single?
Russell Brand played St Georges Hall recently, he's much more relevant than anything that's been on at Leeds arena.
Hit single! it's not the 1980's, they are hardly relevant today, I quoted you bone fide world class stars, all have played at the Leeds Arena. Russell Brand? 13500 seats? Ha ha ha...........funny as owt!
It's not the 1980's, exactly. So they aren't world class stars any more.

And Russell Brand has sold out arenas bigger than Leeds before.
Don't carry on being silly, the names I mentioned are world class stars, that is they are world renowned, can sell out any arena, anywhere, anytime they feel like it. How many people in Idaho do you suppose have heard of Mr Brand and would like to buy a ticket to see him?

What are you actually arguing against? Leeds have built a purpose specific arena (hopefully Bradford will not configure one the same) and it is attracting the top names that Leeds could not before = food, drink, lodging etc. I do not think Dolly Parton, Robbie Wiliams or The Eagles will need a "hit single" to sell out in Leeds this year!

The O2 is not so good, the Cockpit too small, there is real opportunity for Bradford to make the Odeon specifically for the next lower tier of stars/attractions, those that are too small or cannot afford the Arena costs, the O2 is not great, the Odeon could be much better. With 13500 at Leeds arena for every big star, the hotels in Bradford need to get their fingers out and try and pick up some business too, using cheaper rates and rapid rail links.
do you think most people who go to one of these concerts will be staying overnight? They wont. These acts tour most of the arenas across the UK, so most people going to Leeds arena will be people fairly local to Leeds.

and why would anyone going to a concert in Leeds stay in a hotel in a different city 10 miles away?
Nonsense, if you want to see most of the biggest names and you live in the North, you had a choice of only Manchester now they come to Leeds because it now has an arena big enough to host them,that is why a 13.5k capacity venue was built............. As with DParton, Robbie Williams and The Eagles, it's one night only for these acts, people will travel from all over the UK.

If I needed to stay overnight and had forked out £125+ for a ticket, (that is what a world class act cahrge) I'd be every open to staying in hotel in Bradford with a room & rail ticket package at a good rate. What's wrong with trying?
[quote][p][bold]bhuna156[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pondlover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]C.T.I.D[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pondlover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]C.T.I.D[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pondlover[/bold] wrote: CTID, stop being silly, Elton John, Rod Stewart, Depeche Mode & Bruce Springsteen have played there this year, how big do you want acts to be? 1903, I agree, I'd like a big venue........ but, it costs a lot of cash to put in another 1500/2000 seats and more importantly, you'd have to fill it very regularly to make a profit, I don't think that can happen. Leeds has the major acts sown up, they can't afford (Or don't want) to come to smaller venues, but a revamped Odeon would be able to compete against O2 no problem.[/p][/quote]All the hip and modern acts then... when was the last time any of them had a hit single? Russell Brand played St Georges Hall recently, he's much more relevant than anything that's been on at Leeds arena.[/p][/quote]Hit single! it's not the 1980's, they are hardly relevant today, I quoted you bone fide world class stars, all have played at the Leeds Arena. Russell Brand? 13500 seats? Ha ha ha...........funny as owt![/p][/quote]It's not the 1980's, exactly. So they aren't world class stars any more. And Russell Brand has sold out arenas bigger than Leeds before.[/p][/quote]Don't carry on being silly, the names I mentioned are world class stars, that is they are world renowned, can sell out any arena, anywhere, anytime they feel like it. How many people in Idaho do you suppose have heard of Mr Brand and would like to buy a ticket to see him? What are you actually arguing against? Leeds have built a purpose specific arena (hopefully Bradford will not configure one the same) and it is attracting the top names that Leeds could not before = food, drink, lodging etc. I do not think Dolly Parton, Robbie Wiliams or The Eagles will need a "hit single" to sell out in Leeds this year! The O2 is not so good, the Cockpit too small, there is real opportunity for Bradford to make the Odeon specifically for the next lower tier of stars/attractions, those that are too small or cannot afford the Arena costs, the O2 is not great, the Odeon could be much better. With 13500 at Leeds arena for every big star, the hotels in Bradford need to get their fingers out and try and pick up some business too, using cheaper rates and rapid rail links.[/p][/quote]do you think most people who go to one of these concerts will be staying overnight? They wont. These acts tour most of the arenas across the UK, so most people going to Leeds arena will be people fairly local to Leeds. and why would anyone going to a concert in Leeds stay in a hotel in a different city 10 miles away?[/p][/quote]Nonsense, if you want to see most of the biggest names and you live in the North, you had a choice of only Manchester now they come to Leeds because it now has an arena big enough to host them,that is why a 13.5k capacity venue was built............. As with DParton, Robbie Williams and The Eagles, it's one night only for these acts, people will travel from all over the UK. If I needed to stay overnight and had forked out £125+ for a ticket, (that is what a world class act cahrge) I'd be every open to staying in hotel in Bradford with a room & rail ticket package at a good rate. What's wrong with trying? Pondlover

11:27am Sat 7 Dec 13

Pondlover says...

C.T.I.D wrote:
Pondlover - One Direction, Justin Bieber, Lady Gaga, Rihannah, Katy Perry... These are the current global superstars in the music world who have played in Manchester and Sheffield recently - Dolly Parton, Wet Wet Wet and Status Quo are not.
I couldn't care less, I don't listen to any of them................
..given another 12months Mr Bieber would be lucky to sell out Haigy's Bar.

You are disputing that the names I gave you were "world class" which is just silly, they've been world class, in some cases, for decades! I see you are being selective as you look Leeds arenas schedule, to prove god knows what? No arena hosts a world class big name £100+ act every night, not even Manchester!
[quote][p][bold]C.T.I.D[/bold] wrote: Pondlover - One Direction, Justin Bieber, Lady Gaga, Rihannah, Katy Perry... These are the current global superstars in the music world who have played in Manchester and Sheffield recently - Dolly Parton, Wet Wet Wet and Status Quo are not.[/p][/quote]I couldn't care less, I don't listen to any of them................ ..given another 12months Mr Bieber would be lucky to sell out Haigy's Bar. You are disputing that the names I gave you were "world class" which is just silly, they've been world class, in some cases, for decades! I see you are being selective as you look Leeds arenas schedule, to prove god knows what? No arena hosts a world class big name £100+ act every night, not even Manchester! Pondlover

3:31pm Sat 7 Dec 13

bhuna156 says...

Pondlover wrote:
bhuna156 wrote:
Pondlover wrote:
C.T.I.D wrote:
Pondlover wrote:
C.T.I.D wrote:
Pondlover wrote:
CTID, stop being silly, Elton John, Rod Stewart, Depeche Mode & Bruce Springsteen have played there this year, how big do you want acts to be?

1903, I agree, I'd like a big venue........ but, it costs a lot of cash to put in another 1500/2000 seats and more importantly, you'd have to fill it very regularly to make a profit, I don't think that can happen. Leeds has the major acts sown up, they can't afford (Or don't want) to come to smaller venues, but a revamped Odeon would be able to compete against O2 no problem.
All the hip and modern acts then... when was the last time any of them had a hit single?
Russell Brand played St Georges Hall recently, he's much more relevant than anything that's been on at Leeds arena.
Hit single! it's not the 1980's, they are hardly relevant today, I quoted you bone fide world class stars, all have played at the Leeds Arena. Russell Brand? 13500 seats? Ha ha ha...........funny as owt!
It's not the 1980's, exactly. So they aren't world class stars any more.

And Russell Brand has sold out arenas bigger than Leeds before.
Don't carry on being silly, the names I mentioned are world class stars, that is they are world renowned, can sell out any arena, anywhere, anytime they feel like it. How many people in Idaho do you suppose have heard of Mr Brand and would like to buy a ticket to see him?

What are you actually arguing against? Leeds have built a purpose specific arena (hopefully Bradford will not configure one the same) and it is attracting the top names that Leeds could not before = food, drink, lodging etc. I do not think Dolly Parton, Robbie Wiliams or The Eagles will need a "hit single" to sell out in Leeds this year!

The O2 is not so good, the Cockpit too small, there is real opportunity for Bradford to make the Odeon specifically for the next lower tier of stars/attractions, those that are too small or cannot afford the Arena costs, the O2 is not great, the Odeon could be much better. With 13500 at Leeds arena for every big star, the hotels in Bradford need to get their fingers out and try and pick up some business too, using cheaper rates and rapid rail links.
do you think most people who go to one of these concerts will be staying overnight? They wont. These acts tour most of the arenas across the UK, so most people going to Leeds arena will be people fairly local to Leeds.

and why would anyone going to a concert in Leeds stay in a hotel in a different city 10 miles away?
Nonsense, if you want to see most of the biggest names and you live in the North, you had a choice of only Manchester now they come to Leeds because it now has an arena big enough to host them,that is why a 13.5k capacity venue was built............. As with DParton, Robbie Williams and The Eagles, it's one night only for these acts, people will travel from all over the UK.

If I needed to stay overnight and had forked out £125+ for a ticket, (that is what a world class act cahrge) I'd be every open to staying in hotel in Bradford with a room & rail ticket package at a good rate. What's wrong with trying?
You have the choice of Leeds, Manchester, Liverpool and Sheffield in the north, and Newcastle further north, plus plenty in the Midlands and further south. People go to the venue which is closest to them so the only reason people will travel to Leeds from afar to see a concert is if all the other ones closer have sold out.

Because Leeds and Manchester are fairly close to one another and the MEN has almost 10,000 more seat than Leeds area making it 1st or 2nd on the list of many big acts, Leeds may very well struggle to attract some superstars in the future.
Why would someone capable of selling out huge arenas play a night in Manchester and a night in Leeds when they could do 2 nights in Manchester and make a heck of a lot more money? They'll just say, "Well, Leeds looks to be right next to Manchester so our fans from there can easily just travel to the MEN."

Leeds should have built an arena with at least a 20k capacity if it really wanted to take the crown off of Manchester instead of always playing second fiddle.


If Leeds really wanted to
[quote][p][bold]Pondlover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bhuna156[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pondlover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]C.T.I.D[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pondlover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]C.T.I.D[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pondlover[/bold] wrote: CTID, stop being silly, Elton John, Rod Stewart, Depeche Mode & Bruce Springsteen have played there this year, how big do you want acts to be? 1903, I agree, I'd like a big venue........ but, it costs a lot of cash to put in another 1500/2000 seats and more importantly, you'd have to fill it very regularly to make a profit, I don't think that can happen. Leeds has the major acts sown up, they can't afford (Or don't want) to come to smaller venues, but a revamped Odeon would be able to compete against O2 no problem.[/p][/quote]All the hip and modern acts then... when was the last time any of them had a hit single? Russell Brand played St Georges Hall recently, he's much more relevant than anything that's been on at Leeds arena.[/p][/quote]Hit single! it's not the 1980's, they are hardly relevant today, I quoted you bone fide world class stars, all have played at the Leeds Arena. Russell Brand? 13500 seats? Ha ha ha...........funny as owt![/p][/quote]It's not the 1980's, exactly. So they aren't world class stars any more. And Russell Brand has sold out arenas bigger than Leeds before.[/p][/quote]Don't carry on being silly, the names I mentioned are world class stars, that is they are world renowned, can sell out any arena, anywhere, anytime they feel like it. How many people in Idaho do you suppose have heard of Mr Brand and would like to buy a ticket to see him? What are you actually arguing against? Leeds have built a purpose specific arena (hopefully Bradford will not configure one the same) and it is attracting the top names that Leeds could not before = food, drink, lodging etc. I do not think Dolly Parton, Robbie Wiliams or The Eagles will need a "hit single" to sell out in Leeds this year! The O2 is not so good, the Cockpit too small, there is real opportunity for Bradford to make the Odeon specifically for the next lower tier of stars/attractions, those that are too small or cannot afford the Arena costs, the O2 is not great, the Odeon could be much better. With 13500 at Leeds arena for every big star, the hotels in Bradford need to get their fingers out and try and pick up some business too, using cheaper rates and rapid rail links.[/p][/quote]do you think most people who go to one of these concerts will be staying overnight? They wont. These acts tour most of the arenas across the UK, so most people going to Leeds arena will be people fairly local to Leeds. and why would anyone going to a concert in Leeds stay in a hotel in a different city 10 miles away?[/p][/quote]Nonsense, if you want to see most of the biggest names and you live in the North, you had a choice of only Manchester now they come to Leeds because it now has an arena big enough to host them,that is why a 13.5k capacity venue was built............. As with DParton, Robbie Williams and The Eagles, it's one night only for these acts, people will travel from all over the UK. If I needed to stay overnight and had forked out £125+ for a ticket, (that is what a world class act cahrge) I'd be every open to staying in hotel in Bradford with a room & rail ticket package at a good rate. What's wrong with trying?[/p][/quote]You have the choice of Leeds, Manchester, Liverpool and Sheffield in the north, and Newcastle further north, plus plenty in the Midlands and further south. People go to the venue which is closest to them so the only reason people will travel to Leeds from afar to see a concert is if all the other ones closer have sold out. Because Leeds and Manchester are fairly close to one another and the MEN has almost 10,000 more seat than Leeds area making it 1st or 2nd on the list of many big acts, Leeds may very well struggle to attract some superstars in the future. Why would someone capable of selling out huge arenas play a night in Manchester and a night in Leeds when they could do 2 nights in Manchester and make a heck of a lot more money? They'll just say, "Well, Leeds looks to be right next to Manchester so our fans from there can easily just travel to the MEN." Leeds should have built an arena with at least a 20k capacity if it really wanted to take the crown off of Manchester instead of always playing second fiddle. If Leeds really wanted to bhuna156

3:32pm Sat 7 Dec 13

bhuna156 says...

ignore the last line
ignore the last line bhuna156

5:55pm Sat 7 Dec 13

Pondlover says...

bhuna156 wrote:
Pondlover wrote:
bhuna156 wrote:
Pondlover wrote:
C.T.I.D wrote:
Pondlover wrote:
C.T.I.D wrote:
Pondlover wrote:
CTID, stop being silly, Elton John, Rod Stewart, Depeche Mode & Bruce Springsteen have played there this year, how big do you want acts to be?

1903, I agree, I'd like a big venue........ but, it costs a lot of cash to put in another 1500/2000 seats and more importantly, you'd have to fill it very regularly to make a profit, I don't think that can happen. Leeds has the major acts sown up, they can't afford (Or don't want) to come to smaller venues, but a revamped Odeon would be able to compete against O2 no problem.
All the hip and modern acts then... when was the last time any of them had a hit single?
Russell Brand played St Georges Hall recently, he's much more relevant than anything that's been on at Leeds arena.
Hit single! it's not the 1980's, they are hardly relevant today, I quoted you bone fide world class stars, all have played at the Leeds Arena. Russell Brand? 13500 seats? Ha ha ha...........funny as owt!
It's not the 1980's, exactly. So they aren't world class stars any more.

And Russell Brand has sold out arenas bigger than Leeds before.
Don't carry on being silly, the names I mentioned are world class stars, that is they are world renowned, can sell out any arena, anywhere, anytime they feel like it. How many people in Idaho do you suppose have heard of Mr Brand and would like to buy a ticket to see him?

What are you actually arguing against? Leeds have built a purpose specific arena (hopefully Bradford will not configure one the same) and it is attracting the top names that Leeds could not before = food, drink, lodging etc. I do not think Dolly Parton, Robbie Wiliams or The Eagles will need a "hit single" to sell out in Leeds this year!

The O2 is not so good, the Cockpit too small, there is real opportunity for Bradford to make the Odeon specifically for the next lower tier of stars/attractions, those that are too small or cannot afford the Arena costs, the O2 is not great, the Odeon could be much better. With 13500 at Leeds arena for every big star, the hotels in Bradford need to get their fingers out and try and pick up some business too, using cheaper rates and rapid rail links.
do you think most people who go to one of these concerts will be staying overnight? They wont. These acts tour most of the arenas across the UK, so most people going to Leeds arena will be people fairly local to Leeds.

and why would anyone going to a concert in Leeds stay in a hotel in a different city 10 miles away?
Nonsense, if you want to see most of the biggest names and you live in the North, you had a choice of only Manchester now they come to Leeds because it now has an arena big enough to host them,that is why a 13.5k capacity venue was built............. As with DParton, Robbie Williams and The Eagles, it's one night only for these acts, people will travel from all over the UK.

If I needed to stay overnight and had forked out £125+ for a ticket, (that is what a world class act cahrge) I'd be every open to staying in hotel in Bradford with a room & rail ticket package at a good rate. What's wrong with trying?
You have the choice of Leeds, Manchester, Liverpool and Sheffield in the north, and Newcastle further north, plus plenty in the Midlands and further south. People go to the venue which is closest to them so the only reason people will travel to Leeds from afar to see a concert is if all the other ones closer have sold out.

Because Leeds and Manchester are fairly close to one another and the MEN has almost 10,000 more seat than Leeds area making it 1st or 2nd on the list of many big acts, Leeds may very well struggle to attract some superstars in the future.
Why would someone capable of selling out huge arenas play a night in Manchester and a night in Leeds when they could do 2 nights in Manchester and make a heck of a lot more money? They'll just say, "Well, Leeds looks to be right next to Manchester so our fans from there can easily just travel to the MEN."

Leeds should have built an arena with at least a 20k capacity if it really wanted to take the crown off of Manchester instead of always playing second fiddle.


If Leeds really wanted to
I can't be bothered to address every point.............

Leeds had built a specifically configured arena, there is nothing like it in the North (to my knowledge), do you know what is like? You do not understand the economics of building a 20k arena and being able to turn a profit. You have to fill it a certain amount of times per annum, outside of London that is extremely difficult. Leeds had built the right size arena for Leeds, it's configuration puts it ahead of the game and will see it attract top acts, as has already been proven.

It's a word class facility, I'd like Bradford to have a world class facility, it'll take imagination and vision, a "something" that acts as a catalyst to spark off interest and footfall increase in Bradford, not a box who's very existence is to hoover up all surrounding business, the opposite of what Bradford need IMO.
[quote][p][bold]bhuna156[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pondlover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bhuna156[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pondlover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]C.T.I.D[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pondlover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]C.T.I.D[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pondlover[/bold] wrote: CTID, stop being silly, Elton John, Rod Stewart, Depeche Mode & Bruce Springsteen have played there this year, how big do you want acts to be? 1903, I agree, I'd like a big venue........ but, it costs a lot of cash to put in another 1500/2000 seats and more importantly, you'd have to fill it very regularly to make a profit, I don't think that can happen. Leeds has the major acts sown up, they can't afford (Or don't want) to come to smaller venues, but a revamped Odeon would be able to compete against O2 no problem.[/p][/quote]All the hip and modern acts then... when was the last time any of them had a hit single? Russell Brand played St Georges Hall recently, he's much more relevant than anything that's been on at Leeds arena.[/p][/quote]Hit single! it's not the 1980's, they are hardly relevant today, I quoted you bone fide world class stars, all have played at the Leeds Arena. Russell Brand? 13500 seats? Ha ha ha...........funny as owt![/p][/quote]It's not the 1980's, exactly. So they aren't world class stars any more. And Russell Brand has sold out arenas bigger than Leeds before.[/p][/quote]Don't carry on being silly, the names I mentioned are world class stars, that is they are world renowned, can sell out any arena, anywhere, anytime they feel like it. How many people in Idaho do you suppose have heard of Mr Brand and would like to buy a ticket to see him? What are you actually arguing against? Leeds have built a purpose specific arena (hopefully Bradford will not configure one the same) and it is attracting the top names that Leeds could not before = food, drink, lodging etc. I do not think Dolly Parton, Robbie Wiliams or The Eagles will need a "hit single" to sell out in Leeds this year! The O2 is not so good, the Cockpit too small, there is real opportunity for Bradford to make the Odeon specifically for the next lower tier of stars/attractions, those that are too small or cannot afford the Arena costs, the O2 is not great, the Odeon could be much better. With 13500 at Leeds arena for every big star, the hotels in Bradford need to get their fingers out and try and pick up some business too, using cheaper rates and rapid rail links.[/p][/quote]do you think most people who go to one of these concerts will be staying overnight? They wont. These acts tour most of the arenas across the UK, so most people going to Leeds arena will be people fairly local to Leeds. and why would anyone going to a concert in Leeds stay in a hotel in a different city 10 miles away?[/p][/quote]Nonsense, if you want to see most of the biggest names and you live in the North, you had a choice of only Manchester now they come to Leeds because it now has an arena big enough to host them,that is why a 13.5k capacity venue was built............. As with DParton, Robbie Williams and The Eagles, it's one night only for these acts, people will travel from all over the UK. If I needed to stay overnight and had forked out £125+ for a ticket, (that is what a world class act cahrge) I'd be every open to staying in hotel in Bradford with a room & rail ticket package at a good rate. What's wrong with trying?[/p][/quote]You have the choice of Leeds, Manchester, Liverpool and Sheffield in the north, and Newcastle further north, plus plenty in the Midlands and further south. People go to the venue which is closest to them so the only reason people will travel to Leeds from afar to see a concert is if all the other ones closer have sold out. Because Leeds and Manchester are fairly close to one another and the MEN has almost 10,000 more seat than Leeds area making it 1st or 2nd on the list of many big acts, Leeds may very well struggle to attract some superstars in the future. Why would someone capable of selling out huge arenas play a night in Manchester and a night in Leeds when they could do 2 nights in Manchester and make a heck of a lot more money? They'll just say, "Well, Leeds looks to be right next to Manchester so our fans from there can easily just travel to the MEN." Leeds should have built an arena with at least a 20k capacity if it really wanted to take the crown off of Manchester instead of always playing second fiddle. If Leeds really wanted to[/p][/quote]I can't be bothered to address every point............. Leeds had built a specifically configured arena, there is nothing like it in the North (to my knowledge), do you know what is like? You do not understand the economics of building a 20k arena and being able to turn a profit. You have to fill it a certain amount of times per annum, outside of London that is extremely difficult. Leeds had built the right size arena for Leeds, it's configuration puts it ahead of the game and will see it attract top acts, as has already been proven. It's a word class facility, I'd like Bradford to have a world class facility, it'll take imagination and vision, a "something" that acts as a catalyst to spark off interest and footfall increase in Bradford, not a box who's very existence is to hoover up all surrounding business, the opposite of what Bradford need IMO. Pondlover

6:24pm Sat 7 Dec 13

bcfc1903 says...

Pondlover wrote:
CTID, stop being silly, Elton John, Rod Stewart, Depeche Mode & Bruce Springsteen have played there this year, how big do you want acts to be?

1903, I agree, I'd like a big venue........ but, it costs a lot of cash to put in another 1500/2000 seats and more importantly, you'd have to fill it very regularly to make a profit, I don't think that can happen. Leeds has the major acts sown up, they can't afford (Or don't want) to come to smaller venues, but a revamped Odeon would be able to compete against O2 no problem.
The plan I believe is to extend the Odeon building....it did hold 3,500 when built but times change as do regulations. This plan wont come cheap...that is why it's key that the building is capable of holding conferences as well as world class acts that are not large arena fillers. There is a clear gap in the West Yorkshire market for such a facility imo with the capacity i mentioned in previous posts ...but it would need to be a special building to attract quality artists and important conferences. Both Bradford and Leeds hotels would service conference attenders. I don't see this centre as competition for either Leeds venues...more a fitting in between both.
[quote][p][bold]Pondlover[/bold] wrote: CTID, stop being silly, Elton John, Rod Stewart, Depeche Mode & Bruce Springsteen have played there this year, how big do you want acts to be? 1903, I agree, I'd like a big venue........ but, it costs a lot of cash to put in another 1500/2000 seats and more importantly, you'd have to fill it very regularly to make a profit, I don't think that can happen. Leeds has the major acts sown up, they can't afford (Or don't want) to come to smaller venues, but a revamped Odeon would be able to compete against O2 no problem.[/p][/quote]The plan I believe is to extend the Odeon building....it did hold 3,500 when built but times change as do regulations. This plan wont come cheap...that is why it's key that the building is capable of holding conferences as well as world class acts that are not large arena fillers. There is a clear gap in the West Yorkshire market for such a facility imo with the capacity i mentioned in previous posts ...but it would need to be a special building to attract quality artists and important conferences. Both Bradford and Leeds hotels would service conference attenders. I don't see this centre as competition for either Leeds venues...more a fitting in between both. bcfc1903

8:23pm Sat 7 Dec 13

Pondlover says...

bcfc1903 wrote:
Pondlover wrote:
CTID, stop being silly, Elton John, Rod Stewart, Depeche Mode & Bruce Springsteen have played there this year, how big do you want acts to be?

1903, I agree, I'd like a big venue........ but, it costs a lot of cash to put in another 1500/2000 seats and more importantly, you'd have to fill it very regularly to make a profit, I don't think that can happen. Leeds has the major acts sown up, they can't afford (Or don't want) to come to smaller venues, but a revamped Odeon would be able to compete against O2 no problem.
The plan I believe is to extend the Odeon building....it did hold 3,500 when built but times change as do regulations. This plan wont come cheap...that is why it's key that the building is capable of holding conferences as well as world class acts that are not large arena fillers. There is a clear gap in the West Yorkshire market for such a facility imo with the capacity i mentioned in previous posts ...but it would need to be a special building to attract quality artists and important conferences. Both Bradford and Leeds hotels would service conference attenders. I don't see this centre as competition for either Leeds venues...more a fitting in between both.
Now we are getting somewhere, whatever it is, it has to be "special". If it held 3500 new, then 2500 will be about right once it's reconfigured for modern use. It's facade gives it a great advantage to start with.

It would be something that actually did bring people in, once here, they'd need to eat and drink, the banana building might get fully let, that's what I meant by a catalyst, a second rate mall will ever ever be one.

It's a very long shot to bet on Bradford to regenerate, but if it does, IMO it will be via the Odeon/Alhambra/Park area and/or the space & Little Germany.
[quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pondlover[/bold] wrote: CTID, stop being silly, Elton John, Rod Stewart, Depeche Mode & Bruce Springsteen have played there this year, how big do you want acts to be? 1903, I agree, I'd like a big venue........ but, it costs a lot of cash to put in another 1500/2000 seats and more importantly, you'd have to fill it very regularly to make a profit, I don't think that can happen. Leeds has the major acts sown up, they can't afford (Or don't want) to come to smaller venues, but a revamped Odeon would be able to compete against O2 no problem.[/p][/quote]The plan I believe is to extend the Odeon building....it did hold 3,500 when built but times change as do regulations. This plan wont come cheap...that is why it's key that the building is capable of holding conferences as well as world class acts that are not large arena fillers. There is a clear gap in the West Yorkshire market for such a facility imo with the capacity i mentioned in previous posts ...but it would need to be a special building to attract quality artists and important conferences. Both Bradford and Leeds hotels would service conference attenders. I don't see this centre as competition for either Leeds venues...more a fitting in between both.[/p][/quote]Now we are getting somewhere, whatever it is, it has to be "special". If it held 3500 new, then 2500 will be about right once it's reconfigured for modern use. It's facade gives it a great advantage to start with. It would be something that actually did bring people in, once here, they'd need to eat and drink, the banana building might get fully let, that's what I meant by a catalyst, a second rate mall will ever ever be one. It's a very long shot to bet on Bradford to regenerate, but if it does, IMO it will be via the Odeon/Alhambra/Park area and/or the space & Little Germany. Pondlover

12:49pm Sun 8 Dec 13

Olivermac says...

Avro wrote:
Albion. wrote:
Ernest Jones are good quality shops and must be considered a welcome addition, it reminds me though of all the other quality jewellers who have disappeared from Bradford. I suspect H Samuel are just taking advantage of the inducements to move and will probably abandon their Darley Street store.
Darley St willend up decimated, as the M&S unit will also need to be filled. Westfield could kill off Kirkgate
I don't think darley st will be decimated it will just give more room for more buskers and beggars to add to the over populated ones that are allready in Bradford City center, regarding the objection to the. White Rose extension I would much prefer to go to the White Rose center rather than be pestered to death by beggars & buskers.
[quote][p][bold]Avro[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion.[/bold] wrote: Ernest Jones are good quality shops and must be considered a welcome addition, it reminds me though of all the other quality jewellers who have disappeared from Bradford. I suspect H Samuel are just taking advantage of the inducements to move and will probably abandon their Darley Street store.[/p][/quote]Darley St willend up decimated, as the M&S unit will also need to be filled. Westfield could kill off Kirkgate[/p][/quote]I don't think darley st will be decimated it will just give more room for more buskers and beggars to add to the over populated ones that are allready in Bradford City center, regarding the objection to the. White Rose extension I would much prefer to go to the White Rose center rather than be pestered to death by beggars & buskers. Olivermac

7:20pm Sun 8 Dec 13

bcfc1903 says...

Pondlover wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote:
Pondlover wrote:
CTID, stop being silly, Elton John, Rod Stewart, Depeche Mode & Bruce Springsteen have played there this year, how big do you want acts to be?

1903, I agree, I'd like a big venue........ but, it costs a lot of cash to put in another 1500/2000 seats and more importantly, you'd have to fill it very regularly to make a profit, I don't think that can happen. Leeds has the major acts sown up, they can't afford (Or don't want) to come to smaller venues, but a revamped Odeon would be able to compete against O2 no problem.
The plan I believe is to extend the Odeon building....it did hold 3,500 when built but times change as do regulations. This plan wont come cheap...that is why it's key that the building is capable of holding conferences as well as world class acts that are not large arena fillers. There is a clear gap in the West Yorkshire market for such a facility imo with the capacity i mentioned in previous posts ...but it would need to be a special building to attract quality artists and important conferences. Both Bradford and Leeds hotels would service conference attenders. I don't see this centre as competition for either Leeds venues...more a fitting in between both.
Now we are getting somewhere, whatever it is, it has to be "special". If it held 3500 new, then 2500 will be about right once it's reconfigured for modern use. It's facade gives it a great advantage to start with.

It would be something that actually did bring people in, once here, they'd need to eat and drink, the banana building might get fully let, that's what I meant by a catalyst, a second rate mall will ever ever be one.

It's a very long shot to bet on Bradford to regenerate, but if it does, IMO it will be via the Odeon/Alhambra/Park area and/or the space & Little Germany.
Bradford will regenerate, Bradford is a great city....so it's when it happens...the sooner the better. Westfield hopefully when it's finished will be far from second rate, a quality addition to the Bradford city centre shopping experience. Regarding the Odeon , there are two plans at present one in line with my thinking and one pretty near to yours....if either comes to fruition that facility will be another great addition to Bradford city centre, Little Germany has been a bugbear of mine for years, such fine buildings in a historic area with a fascinating textile story but so underutilised.
[quote][p][bold]Pondlover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pondlover[/bold] wrote: CTID, stop being silly, Elton John, Rod Stewart, Depeche Mode & Bruce Springsteen have played there this year, how big do you want acts to be? 1903, I agree, I'd like a big venue........ but, it costs a lot of cash to put in another 1500/2000 seats and more importantly, you'd have to fill it very regularly to make a profit, I don't think that can happen. Leeds has the major acts sown up, they can't afford (Or don't want) to come to smaller venues, but a revamped Odeon would be able to compete against O2 no problem.[/p][/quote]The plan I believe is to extend the Odeon building....it did hold 3,500 when built but times change as do regulations. This plan wont come cheap...that is why it's key that the building is capable of holding conferences as well as world class acts that are not large arena fillers. There is a clear gap in the West Yorkshire market for such a facility imo with the capacity i mentioned in previous posts ...but it would need to be a special building to attract quality artists and important conferences. Both Bradford and Leeds hotels would service conference attenders. I don't see this centre as competition for either Leeds venues...more a fitting in between both.[/p][/quote]Now we are getting somewhere, whatever it is, it has to be "special". If it held 3500 new, then 2500 will be about right once it's reconfigured for modern use. It's facade gives it a great advantage to start with. It would be something that actually did bring people in, once here, they'd need to eat and drink, the banana building might get fully let, that's what I meant by a catalyst, a second rate mall will ever ever be one. It's a very long shot to bet on Bradford to regenerate, but if it does, IMO it will be via the Odeon/Alhambra/Park area and/or the space & Little Germany.[/p][/quote]Bradford will regenerate, Bradford is a great city....so it's when it happens...the sooner the better. Westfield hopefully when it's finished will be far from second rate, a quality addition to the Bradford city centre shopping experience. Regarding the Odeon , there are two plans at present one in line with my thinking and one pretty near to yours....if either comes to fruition that facility will be another great addition to Bradford city centre, Little Germany has been a bugbear of mine for years, such fine buildings in a historic area with a fascinating textile story but so underutilised. bcfc1903

7:55am Mon 9 Dec 13

Pondlover says...

The mall is the central issue and one we will never agree on. For me, it is final nail in Bradford’s coffin, I would have zero hope of Bradford even functioning as a normal centre, never mind being great again. Because I love Bradford I am 100% anti-mall.

A mall is the opposite of a catalyst, they are built to hoover up all existing and surrounding business. The retail game is lost, it is too late, I might have gone for it if it had opened a decade ago but that was pre-mega internet spending and the emergence of definite regional winners, like Leeds, who’s malls compliment what it already has. I’d expect Westfield to do ok, the rest of the centre would die and I’ve not heard one reasonable explanation as to why this will not happen, then the mall will be sold on to an international not-interested-in-Br
adford pension fund, this is what happens.

It is a cheap design that will look 10 years out of date if it opened tomorrow, worse, cutting off and removing Little Germany, again, and for what? So far, a Debenhams but a large empty unit at Forster Square, 2 in the Kirkgate Centre and 1 on Darley Stand that‘s just to start with.

Leeds renovated its areas, step by step, each one being the catalyst for further improvement and inward investment, it couldn’t have worked if a big box had been plonked in it’s centre and it won’t work in Bradford. I think because there is no plan B and so much time has passed, people dare not back down and face the truth
The mall is the central issue and one we will never agree on. For me, it is final nail in Bradford’s coffin, I would have zero hope of Bradford even functioning as a normal centre, never mind being great again. Because I love Bradford I am 100% anti-mall. A mall is the opposite of a catalyst, they are built to hoover up all existing and surrounding business. The retail game is lost, it is too late, I might have gone for it if it had opened a decade ago but that was pre-mega internet spending and the emergence of definite regional winners, like Leeds, who’s malls compliment what it already has. I’d expect Westfield to do ok, the rest of the centre would die and I’ve not heard one reasonable explanation as to why this will not happen, then the mall will be sold on to an international not-interested-in-Br adford pension fund, this is what happens. It is a cheap design that will look 10 years out of date if it opened tomorrow, worse, cutting off and removing Little Germany, again, and for what? So far, a Debenhams but a large empty unit at Forster Square, 2 in the Kirkgate Centre and 1 on Darley Stand that‘s just to start with. Leeds renovated its areas, step by step, each one being the catalyst for further improvement and inward investment, it couldn’t have worked if a big box had been plonked in it’s centre and it won’t work in Bradford. I think because there is no plan B and so much time has passed, people dare not back down and face the truth Pondlover

10:16am Mon 9 Dec 13

bcfc1903 says...

Pondlover wrote:
The mall is the central issue and one we will never agree on. For me, it is final nail in Bradford’s coffin, I would have zero hope of Bradford even functioning as a normal centre, never mind being great again. Because I love Bradford I am 100% anti-mall.

A mall is the opposite of a catalyst, they are built to hoover up all existing and surrounding business. The retail game is lost, it is too late, I might have gone for it if it had opened a decade ago but that was pre-mega internet spending and the emergence of definite regional winners, like Leeds, who’s malls compliment what it already has. I’d expect Westfield to do ok, the rest of the centre would die and I’ve not heard one reasonable explanation as to why this will not happen, then the mall will be sold on to an international not-interested-in-Br

adford pension fund, this is what happens.

It is a cheap design that will look 10 years out of date if it opened tomorrow, worse, cutting off and removing Little Germany, again, and for what? So far, a Debenhams but a large empty unit at Forster Square, 2 in the Kirkgate Centre and 1 on Darley Stand that‘s just to start with.

Leeds renovated its areas, step by step, each one being the catalyst for further improvement and inward investment, it couldn’t have worked if a big box had been plonked in it’s centre and it won’t work in Bradford. I think because there is no plan B and so much time has passed, people dare not back down and face the truth
Bradford isn't dying, I don't agree more or less with anything you printed above, as you say we'll never agree and are poles apart. The mall hopefully when built will simply add to the many retail outlets already in the city centre. I'm surmising that when Broadway starts Kirkgate will have to upgrade and there are already plans to do that regarding it's facade. So far from being a negative Broadway would be a catalyst . I can't imagine Forster Square retail park not having an upgrade either, widening the paths and another car park exit would be a great start, i'm sick to death of queuing to get out of that place. Little Germany would be far more part of the city centre without the excavation next to it, Thousands of folk who work in that area would have a shopping centre to use and it would in that sense be far more connected to the city centre than it is at present.
[quote][p][bold]Pondlover[/bold] wrote: The mall is the central issue and one we will never agree on. For me, it is final nail in Bradford’s coffin, I would have zero hope of Bradford even functioning as a normal centre, never mind being great again. Because I love Bradford I am 100% anti-mall. A mall is the opposite of a catalyst, they are built to hoover up all existing and surrounding business. The retail game is lost, it is too late, I might have gone for it if it had opened a decade ago but that was pre-mega internet spending and the emergence of definite regional winners, like Leeds, who’s malls compliment what it already has. I’d expect Westfield to do ok, the rest of the centre would die and I’ve not heard one reasonable explanation as to why this will not happen, then the mall will be sold on to an international not-interested-in-Br adford pension fund, this is what happens. It is a cheap design that will look 10 years out of date if it opened tomorrow, worse, cutting off and removing Little Germany, again, and for what? So far, a Debenhams but a large empty unit at Forster Square, 2 in the Kirkgate Centre and 1 on Darley Stand that‘s just to start with. Leeds renovated its areas, step by step, each one being the catalyst for further improvement and inward investment, it couldn’t have worked if a big box had been plonked in it’s centre and it won’t work in Bradford. I think because there is no plan B and so much time has passed, people dare not back down and face the truth[/p][/quote]Bradford isn't dying, I don't agree more or less with anything you printed above, as you say we'll never agree and are poles apart. The mall hopefully when built will simply add to the many retail outlets already in the city centre. I'm surmising that when Broadway starts Kirkgate will have to upgrade and there are already plans to do that regarding it's facade. So far from being a negative Broadway would be a catalyst . I can't imagine Forster Square retail park not having an upgrade either, widening the paths and another car park exit would be a great start, i'm sick to death of queuing to get out of that place. Little Germany would be far more part of the city centre without the excavation next to it, Thousands of folk who work in that area would have a shopping centre to use and it would in that sense be far more connected to the city centre than it is at present. bcfc1903

7:51am Tue 10 Dec 13

Pondlover says...

Miley Cyrus booked in at the Leeds Arena, that should shut Bhuna up. Now that is what I call a catalyst, kids up and down the UK will be wanting tickets and reading "Leeds".......

•May 6 - London, The O2
•May 10 - Leeds, First Direct Arena
•May 12 - Glasgow, SSE Hydro Arena
•May 14 - Manchester, Phones 4U Arena
•May 16 - Birmingham, NIA
Miley Cyrus booked in at the Leeds Arena, that should shut Bhuna up. Now that is what I call a catalyst, kids up and down the UK will be wanting tickets and reading "Leeds"....... •May 6 - London, The O2 •May 10 - Leeds, First Direct Arena •May 12 - Glasgow, SSE Hydro Arena •May 14 - Manchester, Phones 4U Arena •May 16 - Birmingham, NIA Pondlover

2:04pm Tue 10 Dec 13

bcfc1903 says...

Who's Miley Cyrus, did she have a hit with Achy Breaky heart :-)
Who's Miley Cyrus, did she have a hit with Achy Breaky heart :-) bcfc1903

2:29pm Tue 10 Dec 13

Prisoner Cell Block A says...

bcfc1903 wrote:
Who's Miley Cyrus, did she have a hit with Achy Breaky heart :-)
That was her dad.

I also tend to agree with pondlover, once the mall area opens, the companies that take up space there that have units in Kirkgate/Arndale will close those and they will not be refilled unless in a souk style manner. Foster Square maybe not so much but once again, if anyone takes units in the new build they won't need another so close by.
[quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: Who's Miley Cyrus, did she have a hit with Achy Breaky heart :-)[/p][/quote]That was her dad. I also tend to agree with pondlover, once the mall area opens, the companies that take up space there that have units in Kirkgate/Arndale will close those and they will not be refilled unless in a souk style manner. Foster Square maybe not so much but once again, if anyone takes units in the new build they won't need another so close by. Prisoner Cell Block A

4:44pm Tue 10 Dec 13

Pondlover says...

Tbh I've never thought the mall would go ahead once construction was stopped, I think the White Rose extension will be used as an excuse to confirm and god knows what will happen then. I really do think whoever signed off the contract on behalf of our City, should go to jail, watching the centre decline so far, so quickly, has been heartbreaking. And nobody is responsible?

And still people wait................
......
Tbh I've never thought the mall would go ahead once construction was stopped, I think the White Rose extension will be used as an excuse to confirm and god knows what will happen then. I really do think whoever signed off the contract on behalf of our City, should go to jail, watching the centre decline so far, so quickly, has been heartbreaking. And nobody is responsible? And still people wait................ ...... Pondlover

10:04am Wed 11 Dec 13

Pondlover says...

Here we go again, Gorgeous George asks for a "yes" or "no" and gets a "we are fully committed"!

I've looked at the amount of units, it's looks like a little over 10% have been let, or "spoken for" as is claimed, and that is hardly the same thing IMO. And of these units, only 1 will be for a company not closing existing city centre retail premises. Therefore we have a nett benefit of one shop, after all this time.

I don't do any social media but surely somebody tech savvy person can get some sort of demo going? Best to kill it early 2014 than be in the very same "fully committed" situation, but with an even worse centre years from now?
Here we go again, Gorgeous George asks for a "yes" or "no" and gets a "we are fully committed"! I've looked at the amount of units, it's looks like a little over 10% have been let, or "spoken for" as is claimed, and that is hardly the same thing IMO. And of these units, only 1 will be for a company not closing existing city centre retail premises. Therefore we have a nett benefit of one shop, after all this time. I don't do any social media but surely somebody tech savvy person can get some sort of demo going? Best to kill it early 2014 than be in the very same "fully committed" situation, but with an even worse centre years from now? Pondlover

12:42pm Sun 22 Dec 13

bcfc1903 says...

Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote:
Who's Miley Cyrus, did she have a hit with Achy Breaky heart :-)
That was her dad.

I also tend to agree with pondlover, once the mall area opens, the companies that take up space there that have units in Kirkgate/Arndale will close those and they will not be refilled unless in a souk style manner. Foster Square maybe not so much but once again, if anyone takes units in the new build they won't need another so close by.
Hence the smiley face, my sense of humour is enough to make you lick a sledgehammer!!!

I believe Broadway will be catalyst rather than the opposite regarding shops in Bradford city centre.
[quote][p][bold]Prisoner Cell Block A[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: Who's Miley Cyrus, did she have a hit with Achy Breaky heart :-)[/p][/quote]That was her dad. I also tend to agree with pondlover, once the mall area opens, the companies that take up space there that have units in Kirkgate/Arndale will close those and they will not be refilled unless in a souk style manner. Foster Square maybe not so much but once again, if anyone takes units in the new build they won't need another so close by.[/p][/quote]Hence the smiley face, my sense of humour is enough to make you lick a sledgehammer!!! I believe Broadway will be catalyst rather than the opposite regarding shops in Bradford city centre. bcfc1903

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