Bradford Bulls owner Omar Khan injects £900,000 to pay wages

Bulls owner Omar Khan

Bulls owner Omar Khan

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Bradford Bulls owner Omar Khan has released £900,000 from his property portfolio to bankroll the cash-strapped club and enable it to pay players’ and staff’s delayed wages, the Telegraph & Argus understands.

The Super League club boss, who was this week forced to insist it was not on the brink of a second financial meltdown in 12 months, confirmed he will plough funds secured by releasing equity in his assets to meet the overdue wage bill, which had been due to be paid “on or around the 28th”.

On Wednesday Mr Khan released a statement denying rumours the club was going into administration after revealing a “temporary funding issue” meant it could not pay players and staff until August 8.

This means Francis Cummins’ side will go into Sunday’s vital clash at Wakefield Wildcats – which could keep the side’s play-off hopes alive – without receiving last month’s pay.

But yesterday Mr Khan, who bought the ailing club for £150,000 amid threats of liquidation last September, said an issue with his bank had caused the delay and insisted releasing equity in his properties was “not an issue”.

“I’m releasing equity in my properties and putting the money into the club,” he told the T&A.

“I am doing this for the club and the city of Bradford. It is a place I love. It is my heritage. It is the city I’ve been brought up in. This is our city and our club.”

Ryan Whitcut, general manager of the club, refused to reveal how much money Mr Khan would plough into the business, but the T&A understands the figure is about £900,000.

He insisted the money would “cover” the club over this year and next.

“The funding issue is to cover us for the rest of this year and next, so there will be no more issues,” Mr Whitcut said.

Blake Solly, director of licensing and standards at the RFL, said the game’s governing body would continue to work closely with the Bulls and did not believe it was a repeat of last year’s financial crisis.

“This financial injection will give the Bulls funding that is much needed and will provide them with reserves of cash that gives a platform to build on,” he added.

“We are comfortable with their position and that this money will drop into place to ensure players and staff are paid on or before August 8.”

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7:15am Fri 2 Aug 13

Solomon Grundy says...

And what does Bake Solly say about the ridiculous decision by the RFL to stop the Bulls receiving their allocation of Sky money?

Thankyou Omar Khan for rescuing the club and bailing it out, but shame on the burkes at the RFL for their role in this and for their collusion with the previous disastrous regime that led us to this pass in the first place.

Nigel Wood, Blake Solly, Steve Mcnamara - RESIGN!!!
And what does Bake Solly say about the ridiculous decision by the RFL to stop the Bulls receiving their allocation of Sky money? Thankyou Omar Khan for rescuing the club and bailing it out, but shame on the burkes at the RFL for their role in this and for their collusion with the previous disastrous regime that led us to this pass in the first place. Nigel Wood, Blake Solly, Steve Mcnamara - RESIGN!!! Solomon Grundy
  • Score: 13

7:19am Fri 2 Aug 13

Avro says...

Has the issue with his bank been resolved then, and exactly what is the issue with the bank not releasing money?
Has the issue with his bank been resolved then, and exactly what is the issue with the bank not releasing money? Avro
  • Score: -14

7:21am Fri 2 Aug 13

badgers boots says...

Well done OK money where mouth is at last
Well done OK money where mouth is at last badgers boots
  • Score: 11

7:26am Fri 2 Aug 13

Bull4eva says...

Avro wrote:
Has the issue with his bank been resolved then, and exactly what is the issue with the bank not releasing money?
Do you know how long it takes to release equity from property?? One takes long enough and if its multiple it can take months!
[quote][p][bold]Avro[/bold] wrote: Has the issue with his bank been resolved then, and exactly what is the issue with the bank not releasing money?[/p][/quote]Do you know how long it takes to release equity from property?? One takes long enough and if its multiple it can take months! Bull4eva
  • Score: 12

7:33am Fri 2 Aug 13

Thee Voice of Reason says...

Glad he had put his money where his mouth is. The Bulla can now look forward on how to win the fans back who need to return to make the club a success. OK can't afford to maoe this a yearly contribution.
Glad he had put his money where his mouth is. The Bulla can now look forward on how to win the fans back who need to return to make the club a success. OK can't afford to maoe this a yearly contribution. Thee Voice of Reason
  • Score: -8

7:47am Fri 2 Aug 13

bd7 helper says...

More like his had words his accountant
More like his had words his accountant bd7 helper
  • Score: -13

7:51am Fri 2 Aug 13

mines a pint says...

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
Glad he had put his money where his mouth is. The Bulla can now look forward on how to win the fans back who need to return to make the club a success. OK can't afford to maoe this a yearly contribution.
And how would you know that?

Seem to remember you were one of the doubters previously claiming OK had no money & would not bankroll the bulls

Well you were wrong on that occasion & will be again

OK is a shrewd businessman & would have known at the time he bought the club just how much of his personal wealth he would need to inject into the club during this period of rebuilding which he himself said would be at least 3 years

If after that initial period the team are not competing regularly with the big 4 & the fans have stayed away then no one would blame him reviewing his position on further funding
[quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: Glad he had put his money where his mouth is. The Bulla can now look forward on how to win the fans back who need to return to make the club a success. OK can't afford to maoe this a yearly contribution.[/p][/quote]And how would you know that? Seem to remember you were one of the doubters previously claiming OK had no money & would not bankroll the bulls Well you were wrong on that occasion & will be again OK is a shrewd businessman & would have known at the time he bought the club just how much of his personal wealth he would need to inject into the club during this period of rebuilding which he himself said would be at least 3 years If after that initial period the team are not competing regularly with the big 4 & the fans have stayed away then no one would blame him reviewing his position on further funding mines a pint
  • Score: 8

8:24am Fri 2 Aug 13

Mumby was the best says...

Brilliant news, well done OK. With the signings and more to come it feels like we are now on an upward curve.
As usual the same old negatorys have to post.
Brilliant news, well done OK. With the signings and more to come it feels like we are now on an upward curve. As usual the same old negatorys have to post. Mumby was the best
  • Score: 10

8:32am Fri 2 Aug 13

Prycey says...

Thank goodness he came along and saved the club – and still is. How many of the “mouths” on here would invest their own money rather than spouting off every day on here? Hopefully, this will reassure players and agents that it is now safe to sign for us. The RFL need every fan to email them and tell them what we think of them. If it wasn’t the Bulls I would say let the club go bust and remind everyone what has happened to that £1.2m – shared out to the other clubs for absolutely no reason in my eyes as they didn’t lose money when the RFL gave us money early to save us. There used to be a saying that Union was an amateur game run by professionals and League was a professional game run by amateurs. That is still the case although both are now professional. At least this money gives them breathing room to get more sponsors and backer plus the £600k returns in 18 months. Well done Mr khan as I can’t see a queue of people volunteering to hand over nearly £1m to subsidise the club.
Thank goodness he came along and saved the club – and still is. How many of the “mouths” on here would invest their own money rather than spouting off every day on here? Hopefully, this will reassure players and agents that it is now safe to sign for us. The RFL need every fan to email them and tell them what we think of them. If it wasn’t the Bulls I would say let the club go bust and remind everyone what has happened to that £1.2m – shared out to the other clubs for absolutely no reason in my eyes as they didn’t lose money when the RFL gave us money early to save us. There used to be a saying that Union was an amateur game run by professionals and League was a professional game run by amateurs. That is still the case although both are now professional. At least this money gives them breathing room to get more sponsors and backer plus the £600k returns in 18 months. Well done Mr khan as I can’t see a queue of people volunteering to hand over nearly £1m to subsidise the club. Prycey
  • Score: 21

8:44am Fri 2 Aug 13

Lythambull says...

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
Glad he had put his money where his mouth is. The Bulla can now look forward on how to win the fans back who need to return to make the club a success. OK can't afford to maoe this a yearly contribution.
I actually agree with this point. Attendance IS down so the club needs to invest in its fan base. Depending on how you look at this, I think there are two or three ways to go about this. The idea of reduced prices on season tickets wasn't a bad one, it just came at a time when we seemed to be going out of business and wasn't deemed sustainable short to medium term by the new owners. With some stability this might get fans through the gates but clearly the balance needs to be struck between increasing attendance at the potential cost of reduced season ticket revenue.
Exciting signings and player development will increase interest from fans. I read so much on here about the need to sign a forward or two with a bit of grit; Carvell has more grit than Jewsons! Further investment in the playing staff is a calculated risk and whilst I don't imagine we will be signing Cameron Smith anytime soon, signings that improves the squad can help stoke the fires of renewed interest.
Robbie Paul coming on board can't just have been a political move, his sense of business and love for the club will surely have an effect on things in a positive way.
It might be a push, but making it into the playoffs, even for one game would be an encouragement to many to come back and get behind the team.
For my part I will keep buying merchandise and be cheering the lads on at Wakey this weekend. If we all do as much supporting as we can afford then we can look ourselves in the mirror and feel proud of our efforts to restore the brilliant club to where we all want it to be.
COYB!!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: Glad he had put his money where his mouth is. The Bulla can now look forward on how to win the fans back who need to return to make the club a success. OK can't afford to maoe this a yearly contribution.[/p][/quote]I actually agree with this point. Attendance IS down so the club needs to invest in its fan base. Depending on how you look at this, I think there are two or three ways to go about this. The idea of reduced prices on season tickets wasn't a bad one, it just came at a time when we seemed to be going out of business and wasn't deemed sustainable short to medium term by the new owners. With some stability this might get fans through the gates but clearly the balance needs to be struck between increasing attendance at the potential cost of reduced season ticket revenue. Exciting signings and player development will increase interest from fans. I read so much on here about the need to sign a forward or two with a bit of grit; Carvell has more grit than Jewsons! Further investment in the playing staff is a calculated risk and whilst I don't imagine we will be signing Cameron Smith anytime soon, signings that improves the squad can help stoke the fires of renewed interest. Robbie Paul coming on board can't just have been a political move, his sense of business and love for the club will surely have an effect on things in a positive way. It might be a push, but making it into the playoffs, even for one game would be an encouragement to many to come back and get behind the team. For my part I will keep buying merchandise and be cheering the lads on at Wakey this weekend. If we all do as much supporting as we can afford then we can look ourselves in the mirror and feel proud of our efforts to restore the brilliant club to where we all want it to be. COYB!!!!!! Lythambull
  • Score: 6

9:07am Fri 2 Aug 13

Ever positive says...

Where are all the sadoo bloggers following this good news, surely they can see something negative here?
Where are all the sadoo bloggers following this good news, surely they can see something negative here? Ever positive
  • Score: -2

9:12am Fri 2 Aug 13

theviking62 says...

TVOR, PCA, RHINOSHELF, COLLUS, PABLO, we done beat you boys good. Aah but what's that I hear fighting for a place under the rock boys. Would you care to make an apology, for ALL the poorly informed statements you made.

From one Bradfordian to another, thanks OK for investing in the future of our great club. Not only is this an investment in the Bulls, it is an investment in the City of Bradford.

Onwards and Upwards. COYB
TVOR, PCA, RHINOSHELF, COLLUS, PABLO, we done beat you boys good. Aah but what's that I hear fighting for a place under the rock boys. Would you care to make an apology, for ALL the poorly informed statements you made. From one Bradfordian to another, thanks OK for investing in the future of our great club. Not only is this an investment in the Bulls, it is an investment in the City of Bradford. Onwards and Upwards. COYB theviking62
  • Score: 3

9:12am Fri 2 Aug 13

theviking62 says...

TVOR, PCA, RHINOSHELF, COLLUS, PABLO, we done beat you boys good. Aah but what's that I hear fighting for a place under the rock boys. Would you care to make an apology, for ALL the poorly informed statements you made.

From one Bradfordian to another, thanks OK for investing in the future of our great club. Not only is this an investment in the Bulls, it is an investment in the City of Bradford.

Onwards and Upwards. COYB
TVOR, PCA, RHINOSHELF, COLLUS, PABLO, we done beat you boys good. Aah but what's that I hear fighting for a place under the rock boys. Would you care to make an apology, for ALL the poorly informed statements you made. From one Bradfordian to another, thanks OK for investing in the future of our great club. Not only is this an investment in the Bulls, it is an investment in the City of Bradford. Onwards and Upwards. COYB theviking62
  • Score: -4

9:12am Fri 2 Aug 13

Sheffieldbull says...

Time now for we, as fans, to focus on the on 'on field' activities and really get behind the lads, starting this weekend at Wakey. Lets leave the politics of Council Loans, G Sutcliffe's politics, whether OK has Hotels/curry houses etc. to those incredibly knowledgeable trolls we have to endure on here at the times of unrest and worry. Love Omar or hate him, he's put up - now's the time for the usual detractors to shut up!
Our new signings to date are class. Finances appear sound- now lets do our very best to make the playoffs -if we fail then there's always next season - how nice it is to be able to think like that...COYBs!
Time now for we, as fans, to focus on the on 'on field' activities and really get behind the lads, starting this weekend at Wakey. Lets leave the politics of Council Loans, G Sutcliffe's politics, whether OK has Hotels/curry houses etc. to those incredibly knowledgeable trolls we have to endure on here at the times of unrest and worry. Love Omar or hate him, he's put up - now's the time for the usual detractors to shut up! Our new signings to date are class. Finances appear sound- now lets do our very best to make the playoffs -if we fail then there's always next season - how nice it is to be able to think like that...COYBs! Sheffieldbull
  • Score: 6

9:13am Fri 2 Aug 13

Ever positive says...

Even more good news for the sadoos:-
"State of Mind will take over Super League for Round 25 to raise awareness of mental health issues, tackle stigma and signpost support to rugby league players and fans who do not access help."
Get off your keyboards and go get help it is out there for you.
Even more good news for the sadoos:- "State of Mind will take over Super League for Round 25 to raise awareness of mental health issues, tackle stigma and signpost support to rugby league players and fans who do not access help." Get off your keyboards and go get help it is out there for you. Ever positive
  • Score: -2

9:21am Fri 2 Aug 13

Reading Bullette says...

At least Mr Khan has the money to invest unlike a certain cosmetics lady who hasn't a pot to pee in.
At least Mr Khan has the money to invest unlike a certain cosmetics lady who hasn't a pot to pee in. Reading Bullette
  • Score: 3

9:22am Fri 2 Aug 13

justjustice says...

A club is nothing without its fans.

This is true of any club of any sport. What does that tell you about Bulls fans?

You cannot rely on one person to support a club's finances, if you dont support your club then expect it to go back into administration. You saw how long it too for to find someone to but the club, dont expect someone else to jump in in the last second next time because noone will buy this club after seeing what has happened today.
If this guy has had to invest £900,000 of his own money into the club, then it is clear this club is a disastrous investment, and there is no way someone else will want to waste their money flogging a dead horse.

So when the club does get shut down, dont blame this guy, blame yourselves.
A club is nothing without its fans. This is true of any club of any sport. What does that tell you about Bulls fans? You cannot rely on one person to support a club's finances, if you dont support your club then expect it to go back into administration. You saw how long it too for to find someone to but the club, dont expect someone else to jump in in the last second next time because noone will buy this club after seeing what has happened today. If this guy has had to invest £900,000 of his own money into the club, then it is clear this club is a disastrous investment, and there is no way someone else will want to waste their money flogging a dead horse. So when the club does get shut down, dont blame this guy, blame yourselves. justjustice
  • Score: -3

9:25am Fri 2 Aug 13

Thee Voice of Reason says...

Lythambull wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote: Glad he had put his money where his mouth is. The Bulla can now look forward on how to win the fans back who need to return to make the club a success. OK can't afford to maoe this a yearly contribution.
I actually agree with this point. Attendance IS down so the club needs to invest in its fan base. Depending on how you look at this, I think there are two or three ways to go about this. The idea of reduced prices on season tickets wasn't a bad one, it just came at a time when we seemed to be going out of business and wasn't deemed sustainable short to medium term by the new owners. With some stability this might get fans through the gates but clearly the balance needs to be struck between increasing attendance at the potential cost of reduced season ticket revenue. Exciting signings and player development will increase interest from fans. I read so much on here about the need to sign a forward or two with a bit of grit; Carvell has more grit than Jewsons! Further investment in the playing staff is a calculated risk and whilst I don't imagine we will be signing Cameron Smith anytime soon, signings that improves the squad can help stoke the fires of renewed interest. Robbie Paul coming on board can't just have been a political move, his sense of business and love for the club will surely have an effect on things in a positive way. It might be a push, but making it into the playoffs, even for one game would be an encouragement to many to come back and get behind the team. For my part I will keep buying merchandise and be cheering the lads on at Wakey this weekend. If we all do as much supporting as we can afford then we can look ourselves in the mirror and feel proud of our efforts to restore the brilliant club to where we all want it to be. COYB!!!!!!
If you agree with anything I say the usual lot will vote your comments down.

You have to ask why a club in the 3 tier of English football can attract nearly twice as many season ticket holders as a club who is playing in the premier competition in their sport.

We done on OK putting money into the club rather than building up a debt with loans as was actually suggested by the T&A just the other day as that puts the club on a slipery slope and recent history should still be in peoples minds as a big rebuilding job is still ongoing.

OK has backed the club, now the fans need to as OK can't do it alone. If the fans don't back the club there will be a point where OK says enough.
[quote][p][bold]Lythambull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: Glad he had put his money where his mouth is. The Bulla can now look forward on how to win the fans back who need to return to make the club a success. OK can't afford to maoe this a yearly contribution.[/p][/quote]I actually agree with this point. Attendance IS down so the club needs to invest in its fan base. Depending on how you look at this, I think there are two or three ways to go about this. The idea of reduced prices on season tickets wasn't a bad one, it just came at a time when we seemed to be going out of business and wasn't deemed sustainable short to medium term by the new owners. With some stability this might get fans through the gates but clearly the balance needs to be struck between increasing attendance at the potential cost of reduced season ticket revenue. Exciting signings and player development will increase interest from fans. I read so much on here about the need to sign a forward or two with a bit of grit; Carvell has more grit than Jewsons! Further investment in the playing staff is a calculated risk and whilst I don't imagine we will be signing Cameron Smith anytime soon, signings that improves the squad can help stoke the fires of renewed interest. Robbie Paul coming on board can't just have been a political move, his sense of business and love for the club will surely have an effect on things in a positive way. It might be a push, but making it into the playoffs, even for one game would be an encouragement to many to come back and get behind the team. For my part I will keep buying merchandise and be cheering the lads on at Wakey this weekend. If we all do as much supporting as we can afford then we can look ourselves in the mirror and feel proud of our efforts to restore the brilliant club to where we all want it to be. COYB!!!!!![/p][/quote]If you agree with anything I say the usual lot will vote your comments down. You have to ask why a club in the 3 tier of English football can attract nearly twice as many season ticket holders as a club who is playing in the premier competition in their sport. We done on OK putting money into the club rather than building up a debt with loans as was actually suggested by the T&A just the other day as that puts the club on a slipery slope and recent history should still be in peoples minds as a big rebuilding job is still ongoing. OK has backed the club, now the fans need to as OK can't do it alone. If the fans don't back the club there will be a point where OK says enough. Thee Voice of Reason
  • Score: 8

9:26am Fri 2 Aug 13

Thee Voice of Reason says...

theviking62 wrote:
TVOR, PCA, RHINOSHELF, COLLUS, PABLO, we done beat you boys good. Aah but what's that I hear fighting for a place under the rock boys. Would you care to make an apology, for ALL the poorly informed statements you made. From one Bradfordian to another, thanks OK for investing in the future of our great club. Not only is this an investment in the Bulls, it is an investment in the City of Bradford. Onwards and Upwards. COYB
What poorly made statements. The club appears to be in a hole and OK has had to bail it out to the tune of £900k because the fans no longer turn up.

If you think that is something to be happy about, then knock yourself out.
[quote][p][bold]theviking62[/bold] wrote: TVOR, PCA, RHINOSHELF, COLLUS, PABLO, we done beat you boys good. Aah but what's that I hear fighting for a place under the rock boys. Would you care to make an apology, for ALL the poorly informed statements you made. From one Bradfordian to another, thanks OK for investing in the future of our great club. Not only is this an investment in the Bulls, it is an investment in the City of Bradford. Onwards and Upwards. COYB[/p][/quote]What poorly made statements. The club appears to be in a hole and OK has had to bail it out to the tune of £900k because the fans no longer turn up. If you think that is something to be happy about, then knock yourself out. Thee Voice of Reason
  • Score: -13

9:33am Fri 2 Aug 13

collos25 says...

Thats about 2 months overheads for the club what happens then when that runs out.If the directors want to subsidise the club its up to them but I thing the amusement will soon wear off.
Thats about 2 months overheads for the club what happens then when that runs out.If the directors want to subsidise the club its up to them but I thing the amusement will soon wear off. collos25
  • Score: -4

9:56am Fri 2 Aug 13

Reading Bullette says...

collos25 wrote:
Thats about 2 months overheads for the club what happens then when that runs out.If the directors want to subsidise the club its up to them but I thing the amusement will soon wear off.
Well it hasn't worn off at Hull KR, St Helens, Wakefield, Hull, Wigan or London or indeed at Bradford City where the Directors invest heavily. That's sport these days and the club will be looking for investors as well as making sure the stadium is used more. The so called 'supporters' who desperately wanted the club to be kept in business now need to back Mr Khan. 10,000 season tickets is probably equivalent to what he has invested. It's up to you.
[quote][p][bold]collos25[/bold] wrote: Thats about 2 months overheads for the club what happens then when that runs out.If the directors want to subsidise the club its up to them but I thing the amusement will soon wear off.[/p][/quote]Well it hasn't worn off at Hull KR, St Helens, Wakefield, Hull, Wigan or London or indeed at Bradford City where the Directors invest heavily. That's sport these days and the club will be looking for investors as well as making sure the stadium is used more. The so called 'supporters' who desperately wanted the club to be kept in business now need to back Mr Khan. 10,000 season tickets is probably equivalent to what he has invested. It's up to you. Reading Bullette
  • Score: 3

9:56am Fri 2 Aug 13

Samsung bull says...

Lol Huddersfield would be finished without Davy, 5,000 fans and top of league #joke
Lol Huddersfield would be finished without Davy, 5,000 fans and top of league #joke Samsung bull
  • Score: 2

10:06am Fri 2 Aug 13

theviking62 says...

Still about with the negatives. Can you not see anything good in this. NO, and you never will. On the question of putting his own money in, most of the owners put their cash in. HullKR, Hudgell, Giants, Davey, Salford, The Doc. Saints, McManus, and more, so nothing unusual in what OK has done. Plus if OK has faith to invest his money in the Bulls, this will encourage prospective sponsors to invest theirs.

But no matter what happens at the Bulls, you are the type of people(Trolls) that will always find fault. Politics, ethnicity, loans from council. I didn't hear you moaning when the RFL, withheld, oner £1 million of central funding. No, you were sat behind your keyboards making your uninformed posts. Just like this week. Does it hurt to be proved wrong, it must because out you come with more useless facts. I await you replies , with baited breath. NOT.
Still about with the negatives. Can you not see anything good in this. NO, and you never will. On the question of putting his own money in, most of the owners put their cash in. HullKR, Hudgell, Giants, Davey, Salford, The Doc. Saints, McManus, and more, so nothing unusual in what OK has done. Plus if OK has faith to invest his money in the Bulls, this will encourage prospective sponsors to invest theirs. But no matter what happens at the Bulls, you are the type of people(Trolls) that will always find fault. Politics, ethnicity, loans from council. I didn't hear you moaning when the RFL, withheld, oner £1 million of central funding. No, you were sat behind your keyboards making your uninformed posts. Just like this week. Does it hurt to be proved wrong, it must because out you come with more useless facts. I await you replies , with baited breath. NOT. theviking62
  • Score: 2

10:11am Fri 2 Aug 13

m.r.c says...

Thank you, Mr Khan. Your commitment to the Bulls and in turn the City of Bradford is heart warming.
Thank you, Mr Khan. Your commitment to the Bulls and in turn the City of Bradford is heart warming. m.r.c
  • Score: 8

10:11am Fri 2 Aug 13

Samsung bull says...

I agree with you theviking62
I agree with you theviking62 Samsung bull
  • Score: -2

10:16am Fri 2 Aug 13

Farsley Bantam says...

theviking62 wrote:
TVOR, PCA, RHINOSHELF, COLLUS, PABLO, we done beat you boys good. Aah but what's that I hear fighting for a place under the rock boys. Would you care to make an apology, for ALL the poorly informed statements you made. From one Bradfordian to another, thanks OK for investing in the future of our great club. Not only is this an investment in the Bulls, it is an investment in the City of Bradford. Onwards and Upwards. COYB
Are you mentally ill? How have you 'won'?
This investment is like putting a plaster on a gaping wound. It'll stop the bleeding but it won't solve the problem. When it runs out (in about 2/3 months time) then what? Khan can't keep raiding his piggy bank to subsidise this trainwreck.
[quote][p][bold]theviking62[/bold] wrote: TVOR, PCA, RHINOSHELF, COLLUS, PABLO, we done beat you boys good. Aah but what's that I hear fighting for a place under the rock boys. Would you care to make an apology, for ALL the poorly informed statements you made. From one Bradfordian to another, thanks OK for investing in the future of our great club. Not only is this an investment in the Bulls, it is an investment in the City of Bradford. Onwards and Upwards. COYB[/p][/quote]Are you mentally ill? How have you 'won'? This investment is like putting a plaster on a gaping wound. It'll stop the bleeding but it won't solve the problem. When it runs out (in about 2/3 months time) then what? Khan can't keep raiding his piggy bank to subsidise this trainwreck. Farsley Bantam
  • Score: -2

10:26am Fri 2 Aug 13

Wiganbantam says...

Lets now badger the rfl for a return of sky revenue !!!
Lets now badger the rfl for a return of sky revenue !!! Wiganbantam
  • Score: 4

10:27am Fri 2 Aug 13

Thee Voice of Reason says...

Farsley Bantam wrote:
theviking62 wrote: TVOR, PCA, RHINOSHELF, COLLUS, PABLO, we done beat you boys good. Aah but what's that I hear fighting for a place under the rock boys. Would you care to make an apology, for ALL the poorly informed statements you made. From one Bradfordian to another, thanks OK for investing in the future of our great club. Not only is this an investment in the Bulls, it is an investment in the City of Bradford. Onwards and Upwards. COYB
Are you mentally ill? How have you 'won'? This investment is like putting a plaster on a gaping wound. It'll stop the bleeding but it won't solve the problem. When it runs out (in about 2/3 months time) then what? Khan can't keep raiding his piggy bank to subsidise this trainwreck.
He's deluded.

The fans are the main problem at the moment. The central monies is a convient excuse. OK and GS waived the central monies to be part of super league. (I think this money should not have gone to other members but to creditors or grass roots rugby but thats another topic altogether).

The club will have planned from the start without this money, the problem is the massive drop off in crowds, the poor season ticket sales and now attendances struggling to reach 8k, That is where the real damage has been done as this is something they never saw as they never expected the fans to leave in such droves.

The fans need to back the club.
[quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]theviking62[/bold] wrote: TVOR, PCA, RHINOSHELF, COLLUS, PABLO, we done beat you boys good. Aah but what's that I hear fighting for a place under the rock boys. Would you care to make an apology, for ALL the poorly informed statements you made. From one Bradfordian to another, thanks OK for investing in the future of our great club. Not only is this an investment in the Bulls, it is an investment in the City of Bradford. Onwards and Upwards. COYB[/p][/quote]Are you mentally ill? How have you 'won'? This investment is like putting a plaster on a gaping wound. It'll stop the bleeding but it won't solve the problem. When it runs out (in about 2/3 months time) then what? Khan can't keep raiding his piggy bank to subsidise this trainwreck.[/p][/quote]He's deluded. The fans are the main problem at the moment. The central monies is a convient excuse. OK and GS waived the central monies to be part of super league. (I think this money should not have gone to other members but to creditors or grass roots rugby but thats another topic altogether). The club will have planned from the start without this money, the problem is the massive drop off in crowds, the poor season ticket sales and now attendances struggling to reach 8k, That is where the real damage has been done as this is something they never saw as they never expected the fans to leave in such droves. The fans need to back the club. Thee Voice of Reason
  • Score: 3

10:31am Fri 2 Aug 13

theviking62 says...

Remind me the next time your team, if you support it are in trouble. Didn't your chairman loan a million to keep you afloat. IF you hadn't had a good cup run, where would you be. Answers welcome.
Remind me the next time your team, if you support it are in trouble. Didn't your chairman loan a million to keep you afloat. IF you hadn't had a good cup run, where would you be. Answers welcome. theviking62
  • Score: -4

10:42am Fri 2 Aug 13

Farsley Bantam says...

theviking62 wrote:
Remind me the next time your team, if you support it are in trouble. Didn't your chairman loan a million to keep you afloat. IF you hadn't had a good cup run, where would you be. Answers welcome.
Yes he did loan us £1m. We would be in a decent financial position even without the cup run. We got promoted and have sold more season tickets than the previous year.
The thing is, when Mark Lawn loaned us that money we were near the bottom of football's basement division with crowds far bigger than anyone else in that division. We were bound to get promotion eventually and he would most likely get his money back.
Contrast that with Bulls. They are already in the top division and have an outside shot of the playoffs. They are already fairly successful on the field when you compare that to BCFC's position at the time of the loan. Season tickets at the Bulls are dirt cheap and you can hardly manage any fans at all.
Investing in Beta Max would be a more shrewd investment from Khan.
[quote][p][bold]theviking62[/bold] wrote: Remind me the next time your team, if you support it are in trouble. Didn't your chairman loan a million to keep you afloat. IF you hadn't had a good cup run, where would you be. Answers welcome.[/p][/quote]Yes he did loan us £1m. We would be in a decent financial position even without the cup run. We got promoted and have sold more season tickets than the previous year. The thing is, when Mark Lawn loaned us that money we were near the bottom of football's basement division with crowds far bigger than anyone else in that division. We were bound to get promotion eventually and he would most likely get his money back. Contrast that with Bulls. They are already in the top division and have an outside shot of the playoffs. They are already fairly successful on the field when you compare that to BCFC's position at the time of the loan. Season tickets at the Bulls are dirt cheap and you can hardly manage any fans at all. Investing in Beta Max would be a more shrewd investment from Khan. Farsley Bantam
  • Score: 4

10:45am Fri 2 Aug 13

Thee Voice of Reason says...

theviking62 wrote:
Remind me the next time your team, if you support it are in trouble. Didn't your chairman loan a million to keep you afloat. IF you hadn't had a good cup run, where would you be. Answers welcome.
I believe Lawn has recieved his £1m back or at least part of it as it was a loan, something to be repaid.

If we hadn't had a good cup run that loan maynot have been repaid as yet but because the fans continually back the club in massive numbers we tick along nicely.
[quote][p][bold]theviking62[/bold] wrote: Remind me the next time your team, if you support it are in trouble. Didn't your chairman loan a million to keep you afloat. IF you hadn't had a good cup run, where would you be. Answers welcome.[/p][/quote]I believe Lawn has recieved his £1m back or at least part of it as it was a loan, something to be repaid. If we hadn't had a good cup run that loan maynot have been repaid as yet but because the fans continually back the club in massive numbers we tick along nicely. Thee Voice of Reason
  • Score: -1

10:51am Fri 2 Aug 13

Farsley Bantam says...

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
theviking62 wrote: Remind me the next time your team, if you support it are in trouble. Didn't your chairman loan a million to keep you afloat. IF you hadn't had a good cup run, where would you be. Answers welcome.
I believe Lawn has recieved his £1m back or at least part of it as it was a loan, something to be repaid. If we hadn't had a good cup run that loan maynot have been repaid as yet but because the fans continually back the club in massive numbers we tick along nicely.
The loan has been repaid in its entirety, with interest.
[quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]theviking62[/bold] wrote: Remind me the next time your team, if you support it are in trouble. Didn't your chairman loan a million to keep you afloat. IF you hadn't had a good cup run, where would you be. Answers welcome.[/p][/quote]I believe Lawn has recieved his £1m back or at least part of it as it was a loan, something to be repaid. If we hadn't had a good cup run that loan maynot have been repaid as yet but because the fans continually back the club in massive numbers we tick along nicely.[/p][/quote]The loan has been repaid in its entirety, with interest. Farsley Bantam
  • Score: -1

11:00am Fri 2 Aug 13

Michelle & Richard says...

Lets hope they keep to there word and pay by the 8th August my daughter started there has a waitress when it was the 80s bash shes worked 4 times since then. And hasn't recieved any wages but they have fobbed her of by saying its outside people that do wages we know why now there have no money
Lets hope they keep to there word and pay by the 8th August my daughter started there has a waitress when it was the 80s bash shes worked 4 times since then. And hasn't recieved any wages but they have fobbed her of by saying its outside people that do wages we know why now there have no money Michelle & Richard
  • Score: 0

11:09am Fri 2 Aug 13

Thee Voice of Reason says...

theviking62 wrote:
Remind me the next time your team, if you support it are in trouble. Didn't your chairman loan a million to keep you afloat. IF you hadn't had a good cup run, where would you be. Answers welcome.
I support my team. I have a season ticket, and have had once since the early 90's. And you?
[quote][p][bold]theviking62[/bold] wrote: Remind me the next time your team, if you support it are in trouble. Didn't your chairman loan a million to keep you afloat. IF you hadn't had a good cup run, where would you be. Answers welcome.[/p][/quote]I support my team. I have a season ticket, and have had once since the early 90's. And you? Thee Voice of Reason
  • Score: 2

11:13am Fri 2 Aug 13

Hugh Balls says...

Farsley Bantam, why do have to resort to name calling. I suggest that to compare the two teams is wrong. Both play different sports, the City in the third tier, yes, the Bulls play in the top tier, at their best they command the same amount of season ticket sales as you.

Why the animosity, you spew out, is beyond me. These teams represent the City of Bradford. As such there is no reason for anyone to attack the clubs or supporters. I find those who do, they know who they are , are beneath contempt.

We should be grateful for the fact, there are two pro teams in Bradford. We could have lost both. Also to accuse someone of being" mental " is just plain ignorant. Those that use insults, rumours, show that they have very little knowledge of what is actually going on with both clubs. The likes of TVOR, PCA, RHINOSHELF, COLLUS, etc. are a disgrace and bring nothing to any of the forums they post on. Why they persist is beyond me, obviously nothing better to do.
Farsley Bantam, why do have to resort to name calling. I suggest that to compare the two teams is wrong. Both play different sports, the City in the third tier, yes, the Bulls play in the top tier, at their best they command the same amount of season ticket sales as you. Why the animosity, you spew out, is beyond me. These teams represent the City of Bradford. As such there is no reason for anyone to attack the clubs or supporters. I find those who do, they know who they are , are beneath contempt. We should be grateful for the fact, there are two pro teams in Bradford. We could have lost both. Also to accuse someone of being" mental " is just plain ignorant. Those that use insults, rumours, show that they have very little knowledge of what is actually going on with both clubs. The likes of TVOR, PCA, RHINOSHELF, COLLUS, etc. are a disgrace and bring nothing to any of the forums they post on. Why they persist is beyond me, obviously nothing better to do. Hugh Balls
  • Score: 4

11:34am Fri 2 Aug 13

Farsley Bantam says...

Hugh Balls wrote:
Farsley Bantam, why do have to resort to name calling. I suggest that to compare the two teams is wrong. Both play different sports, the City in the third tier, yes, the Bulls play in the top tier, at their best they command the same amount of season ticket sales as you. Why the animosity, you spew out, is beyond me. These teams represent the City of Bradford. As such there is no reason for anyone to attack the clubs or supporters. I find those who do, they know who they are , are beneath contempt. We should be grateful for the fact, there are two pro teams in Bradford. We could have lost both. Also to accuse someone of being" mental " is just plain ignorant. Those that use insults, rumours, show that they have very little knowledge of what is actually going on with both clubs. The likes of TVOR, PCA, RHINOSHELF, COLLUS, etc. are a disgrace and bring nothing to any of the forums they post on. Why they persist is beyond me, obviously nothing better to do.
No animosity at all on my part. I've been down to Odsal many a time and consider myself a casual Bulls supporter. Perhaps the word 'mental' was not the right word to use. Total and utterly deluded would be more suitable to theviking62's comment. For some reason he thinks this cash injection is a panacea for all of Bulls' ills and was claiming some kind of victory over those of us that live in the real world, so I put him straight.
When Bulls were at their peak during the Noble era they were averaging 14,000 supporters. If Bradford got back in the Premiership that stadium would be full to capacity every week, so 25,000 supporters. They are a much better supported club is my general point, with more loyal supporters.
I really hope Bulls survive this but unlike some on here I am a realist.
[quote][p][bold]Hugh Balls[/bold] wrote: Farsley Bantam, why do have to resort to name calling. I suggest that to compare the two teams is wrong. Both play different sports, the City in the third tier, yes, the Bulls play in the top tier, at their best they command the same amount of season ticket sales as you. Why the animosity, you spew out, is beyond me. These teams represent the City of Bradford. As such there is no reason for anyone to attack the clubs or supporters. I find those who do, they know who they are , are beneath contempt. We should be grateful for the fact, there are two pro teams in Bradford. We could have lost both. Also to accuse someone of being" mental " is just plain ignorant. Those that use insults, rumours, show that they have very little knowledge of what is actually going on with both clubs. The likes of TVOR, PCA, RHINOSHELF, COLLUS, etc. are a disgrace and bring nothing to any of the forums they post on. Why they persist is beyond me, obviously nothing better to do.[/p][/quote]No animosity at all on my part. I've been down to Odsal many a time and consider myself a casual Bulls supporter. Perhaps the word 'mental' was not the right word to use. Total and utterly deluded would be more suitable to theviking62's comment. For some reason he thinks this cash injection is a panacea for all of Bulls' ills and was claiming some kind of victory over those of us that live in the real world, so I put him straight. When Bulls were at their peak during the Noble era they were averaging 14,000 supporters. If Bradford got back in the Premiership that stadium would be full to capacity every week, so 25,000 supporters. They are a much better supported club is my general point, with more loyal supporters. I really hope Bulls survive this but unlike some on here I am a realist. Farsley Bantam
  • Score: 4

11:34am Fri 2 Aug 13

Samsung bull says...

Lol without Davey, Huddersfield would be screwed lmao
Lol without Davey, Huddersfield would be screwed lmao Samsung bull
  • Score: -2

11:49am Fri 2 Aug 13

Hugh Balls says...

What is beginning to show, is that a lot of City fans appear tot have a lot to say about the Bulls and very little to say about the team they purport to support. TVOR, Farsley not a word from you on City site re your NEW signing. Why? I know to busy on here attacking Bulls Fans and what they say. Makes me think that you are fans in mind only. TVOR you've followed City for 20 years, myself and others my age, 67, both teams from the mid 50s. But what does that prove. Why not answer questions asked, instead of asking another one. Would save you a lot of grief, from Viking and others on here.
What is beginning to show, is that a lot of City fans appear tot have a lot to say about the Bulls and very little to say about the team they purport to support. TVOR, Farsley not a word from you on City site re your NEW signing. Why? I know to busy on here attacking Bulls Fans and what they say. Makes me think that you are fans in mind only. TVOR you've followed City for 20 years, myself and others my age, 67, both teams from the mid 50s. But what does that prove. Why not answer questions asked, instead of asking another one. Would save you a lot of grief, from Viking and others on here. Hugh Balls
  • Score: -4

11:49am Fri 2 Aug 13

NG1972 says...

Thanks Omar you have put your money where your mouth is now what it needs now is fans backing Omar up and buying season tickets for next season and build a strong fan base up. Franny has made some good signings & by the sounds of it there are more to come but the club cannot rely on Omar all the time we need to commit to this great club of ours, Come on people in Bradford get yourselves down to Odsal and support the lads COYB
Thanks Omar you have put your money where your mouth is now what it needs now is fans backing Omar up and buying season tickets for next season and build a strong fan base up. Franny has made some good signings & by the sounds of it there are more to come but the club cannot rely on Omar all the time we need to commit to this great club of ours, Come on people in Bradford get yourselves down to Odsal and support the lads COYB NG1972
  • Score: 3

11:50am Fri 2 Aug 13

lonniejockstrap says...

Farsley Bantam wrote:
theviking62 wrote:
TVOR, PCA, RHINOSHELF, COLLUS, PABLO, we done beat you boys good. Aah but what's that I hear fighting for a place under the rock boys. Would you care to make an apology, for ALL the poorly informed statements you made. From one Bradfordian to another, thanks OK for investing in the future of our great club. Not only is this an investment in the Bulls, it is an investment in the City of Bradford. Onwards and Upwards. COYB
Are you mentally ill? How have you 'won'?
This investment is like putting a plaster on a gaping wound. It'll stop the bleeding but it won't solve the problem. When it runs out (in about 2/3 months time) then what? Khan can't keep raiding his piggy bank to subsidise this trainwreck.
Have you got any suggestions as to solving the present attempts to turn around the Bulls misfortune -brought about by other people NOT Mr Khan?

Would you have wished that Julian Rhodes had had the same defeatist attitude with the Bantams as you appear to have with the future of the Bulls?

A lot can happen over the next season or two but the Bulls have to be in existence for them to have a chance of turning things around. OK has provided a bit of breathing space. Why can't you see any positive in that?
[quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]theviking62[/bold] wrote: TVOR, PCA, RHINOSHELF, COLLUS, PABLO, we done beat you boys good. Aah but what's that I hear fighting for a place under the rock boys. Would you care to make an apology, for ALL the poorly informed statements you made. From one Bradfordian to another, thanks OK for investing in the future of our great club. Not only is this an investment in the Bulls, it is an investment in the City of Bradford. Onwards and Upwards. COYB[/p][/quote]Are you mentally ill? How have you 'won'? This investment is like putting a plaster on a gaping wound. It'll stop the bleeding but it won't solve the problem. When it runs out (in about 2/3 months time) then what? Khan can't keep raiding his piggy bank to subsidise this trainwreck.[/p][/quote]Have you got any suggestions as to solving the present attempts to turn around the Bulls misfortune -brought about by other people NOT Mr Khan? Would you have wished that Julian Rhodes had had the same defeatist attitude with the Bantams as you appear to have with the future of the Bulls? A lot can happen over the next season or two but the Bulls have to be in existence for them to have a chance of turning things around. OK has provided a bit of breathing space. Why can't you see any positive in that? lonniejockstrap
  • Score: 1

12:12pm Fri 2 Aug 13

Farsley Bantam says...

Hugh Balls wrote:
What is beginning to show, is that a lot of City fans appear tot have a lot to say about the Bulls and very little to say about the team they purport to support. TVOR, Farsley not a word from you on City site re your NEW signing. Why? I know to busy on here attacking Bulls Fans and what they say. Makes me think that you are fans in mind only. TVOR you've followed City for 20 years, myself and others my age, 67, both teams from the mid 50s. But what does that prove. Why not answer questions asked, instead of asking another one. Would save you a lot of grief, from Viking and others on here.
The season hasn't started yet so there is nothing worth commenting on. The only Bradford City stories that they are producing at the moment are basically 5-6 paragraphs of thin air. Re todays article about the new signing-I've never heard of him and never, to my knowledge seen him play so my comments would add nothing to any discussion. Once the season starts you will see plenty of my comments. They're brilliant. Definitely worth a read.
I, like TVOR am a season ticket holder and have been since about 1995 so my support and loyalty cannot be questioned. The reason I comment on here is that I am Bradfordian and a sports fan (as I mentioned earlier a casual Bulls fan) so this issue is of interest to me. If someone is talking out of their backside I will say so.
Some on here can't handle the truth. That is the issue here.
[quote][p][bold]Hugh Balls[/bold] wrote: What is beginning to show, is that a lot of City fans appear tot have a lot to say about the Bulls and very little to say about the team they purport to support. TVOR, Farsley not a word from you on City site re your NEW signing. Why? I know to busy on here attacking Bulls Fans and what they say. Makes me think that you are fans in mind only. TVOR you've followed City for 20 years, myself and others my age, 67, both teams from the mid 50s. But what does that prove. Why not answer questions asked, instead of asking another one. Would save you a lot of grief, from Viking and others on here.[/p][/quote]The season hasn't started yet so there is nothing worth commenting on. The only Bradford City stories that they are producing at the moment are basically 5-6 paragraphs of thin air. Re todays article about the new signing-I've never heard of him and never, to my knowledge seen him play so my comments would add nothing to any discussion. Once the season starts you will see plenty of my comments. They're brilliant. Definitely worth a read. I, like TVOR am a season ticket holder and have been since about 1995 so my support and loyalty cannot be questioned. The reason I comment on here is that I am Bradfordian and a sports fan (as I mentioned earlier a casual Bulls fan) so this issue is of interest to me. If someone is talking out of their backside I will say so. Some on here can't handle the truth. That is the issue here. Farsley Bantam
  • Score: 5

12:17pm Fri 2 Aug 13

Thee Voice of Reason says...

Samsung bull wrote:
Lol without Davey, Huddersfield would be screwed lmao
Stones and glass houses. Without OK the Bulls would be screwed.
[quote][p][bold]Samsung bull[/bold] wrote: Lol without Davey, Huddersfield would be screwed lmao[/p][/quote]Stones and glass houses. Without OK the Bulls would be screwed. Thee Voice of Reason
  • Score: 1

12:18pm Fri 2 Aug 13

lonniejockstrap says...

theviking62 wrote:
Remind me the next time your team, if you support it are in trouble. Didn't your chairman loan a million to keep you afloat. IF you hadn't had a good cup run, where would you be. Answers welcome.
TVOR refers to posters being 'deluded' whilst at the same time believing he is making an informed comment on what the problems are at the Bulls. I wonder if he can tell us all what the reasons are for the financial debt problems at the majority of the other super league Clubs and, if they are the same, why is he ignoring this point when salivating over the Bulls difficulties. Have you noticed also what an expert he is in pointing out the obvious issues that make OK's efforts that much more challenging? Have you ever come across TVOR laying out any sort of detailed solutions to gradually turning the Bulls around? Well, that is the BIG difference between the sideline charlatans and the Omar Khans of this world. There are talkers and there are doers.
[quote][p][bold]theviking62[/bold] wrote: Remind me the next time your team, if you support it are in trouble. Didn't your chairman loan a million to keep you afloat. IF you hadn't had a good cup run, where would you be. Answers welcome.[/p][/quote]TVOR refers to posters being 'deluded' whilst at the same time believing he is making an informed comment on what the problems are at the Bulls. I wonder if he can tell us all what the reasons are for the financial debt problems at the majority of the other super league Clubs and, if they are the same, why is he ignoring this point when salivating over the Bulls difficulties. Have you noticed also what an expert he is in pointing out the obvious issues that make OK's efforts that much more challenging? Have you ever come across TVOR laying out any sort of detailed solutions to gradually turning the Bulls around? Well, that is the BIG difference between the sideline charlatans and the Omar Khans of this world. There are talkers and there are doers. lonniejockstrap
  • Score: 0

12:23pm Fri 2 Aug 13

bartsbull says...

What great news this plus the signings made and the others to come i say this to all the true supporters of our great club passed and present

Let us all back the chairman and give our full support and purchase our season tickets let us as supporters see if we can break the 10,000 barrier

I know these are hard times but you have to back the man who clearly loves the club and the city COYB Well done OMAR
What great news this plus the signings made and the others to come i say this to all the true supporters of our great club passed and present Let us all back the chairman and give our full support and purchase our season tickets let us as supporters see if we can break the 10,000 barrier I know these are hard times but you have to back the man who clearly loves the club and the city COYB Well done OMAR bartsbull
  • Score: 1

12:25pm Fri 2 Aug 13

Samsung bull says...

To the voice of reason same applies to most clubs except when we were top we had some crowds of 20k and we double husdersfields crowds now hahahaha joke
To the voice of reason same applies to most clubs except when we were top we had some crowds of 20k and we double husdersfields crowds now hahahaha joke Samsung bull
  • Score: -4

12:28pm Fri 2 Aug 13

hypjack says...

Well done Omar from a fellow Bradfordian and Bulls season ticket holder. We seem to be treading water at the moment but positive times are ahead. When the positive times arrive they will be so much sweeter having experienced continuous adversity... COYB !! :-)
Well done Omar from a fellow Bradfordian and Bulls season ticket holder. We seem to be treading water at the moment but positive times are ahead. When the positive times arrive they will be so much sweeter having experienced continuous adversity... COYB !! :-) hypjack
  • Score: 1

12:28pm Fri 2 Aug 13

Farsley Bantam says...

lonniejockstrap wrote:
Farsley Bantam wrote:
theviking62 wrote: TVOR, PCA, RHINOSHELF, COLLUS, PABLO, we done beat you boys good. Aah but what's that I hear fighting for a place under the rock boys. Would you care to make an apology, for ALL the poorly informed statements you made. From one Bradfordian to another, thanks OK for investing in the future of our great club. Not only is this an investment in the Bulls, it is an investment in the City of Bradford. Onwards and Upwards. COYB
Are you mentally ill? How have you 'won'? This investment is like putting a plaster on a gaping wound. It'll stop the bleeding but it won't solve the problem. When it runs out (in about 2/3 months time) then what? Khan can't keep raiding his piggy bank to subsidise this trainwreck.
Have you got any suggestions as to solving the present attempts to turn around the Bulls misfortune -brought about by other people NOT Mr Khan? Would you have wished that Julian Rhodes had had the same defeatist attitude with the Bantams as you appear to have with the future of the Bulls? A lot can happen over the next season or two but the Bulls have to be in existence for them to have a chance of turning things around. OK has provided a bit of breathing space. Why can't you see any positive in that?
Ofcourse I can see the positive in it. As you say it gives them some breathing space and a fighting chance which is undoubtably a good thing.
My comment was in response to theviking's premature celebrations. He seems to think thats the end of it now when anyone can see that there is more trouble lurking round the corner. The club was only saved a year ago and so started with a clean slate and already financial problems have occured. Its clearly a combination of financial mismanagement and an unsustainable business model.
Fans turning up in droves will help turn around their fortunes but how they do this I don't know. I have spoken to several people who used to be season ticket holders but now don't go at all, because they don't want to watch mid table mediocrity. What sort of fans are they? Only 7,900 turned up for the last home game.
[quote][p][bold]lonniejockstrap[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]theviking62[/bold] wrote: TVOR, PCA, RHINOSHELF, COLLUS, PABLO, we done beat you boys good. Aah but what's that I hear fighting for a place under the rock boys. Would you care to make an apology, for ALL the poorly informed statements you made. From one Bradfordian to another, thanks OK for investing in the future of our great club. Not only is this an investment in the Bulls, it is an investment in the City of Bradford. Onwards and Upwards. COYB[/p][/quote]Are you mentally ill? How have you 'won'? This investment is like putting a plaster on a gaping wound. It'll stop the bleeding but it won't solve the problem. When it runs out (in about 2/3 months time) then what? Khan can't keep raiding his piggy bank to subsidise this trainwreck.[/p][/quote]Have you got any suggestions as to solving the present attempts to turn around the Bulls misfortune -brought about by other people NOT Mr Khan? Would you have wished that Julian Rhodes had had the same defeatist attitude with the Bantams as you appear to have with the future of the Bulls? A lot can happen over the next season or two but the Bulls have to be in existence for them to have a chance of turning things around. OK has provided a bit of breathing space. Why can't you see any positive in that?[/p][/quote]Ofcourse I can see the positive in it. As you say it gives them some breathing space and a fighting chance which is undoubtably a good thing. My comment was in response to theviking's premature celebrations. He seems to think thats the end of it now when anyone can see that there is more trouble lurking round the corner. The club was only saved a year ago and so started with a clean slate and already financial problems have occured. Its clearly a combination of financial mismanagement and an unsustainable business model. Fans turning up in droves will help turn around their fortunes but how they do this I don't know. I have spoken to several people who used to be season ticket holders but now don't go at all, because they don't want to watch mid table mediocrity. What sort of fans are they? Only 7,900 turned up for the last home game. Farsley Bantam
  • Score: 0

12:28pm Fri 2 Aug 13

lonniejockstrap says...

Farsley Bantam wrote:
Hugh Balls wrote:
Farsley Bantam, why do have to resort to name calling. I suggest that to compare the two teams is wrong. Both play different sports, the City in the third tier, yes, the Bulls play in the top tier, at their best they command the same amount of season ticket sales as you. Why the animosity, you spew out, is beyond me. These teams represent the City of Bradford. As such there is no reason for anyone to attack the clubs or supporters. I find those who do, they know who they are , are beneath contempt. We should be grateful for the fact, there are two pro teams in Bradford. We could have lost both. Also to accuse someone of being" mental " is just plain ignorant. Those that use insults, rumours, show that they have very little knowledge of what is actually going on with both clubs. The likes of TVOR, PCA, RHINOSHELF, COLLUS, etc. are a disgrace and bring nothing to any of the forums they post on. Why they persist is beyond me, obviously nothing better to do.
No animosity at all on my part. I've been down to Odsal many a time and consider myself a casual Bulls supporter. Perhaps the word 'mental' was not the right word to use. Total and utterly deluded would be more suitable to theviking62's comment. For some reason he thinks this cash injection is a panacea for all of Bulls' ills and was claiming some kind of victory over those of us that live in the real world, so I put him straight.
When Bulls were at their peak during the Noble era they were averaging 14,000 supporters. If Bradford got back in the Premiership that stadium would be full to capacity every week, so 25,000 supporters. They are a much better supported club is my general point, with more loyal supporters.
I really hope Bulls survive this but unlike some on here I am a realist.
What a very immature way of comparing the football team with the rugby team. Using your logic can you explain that same logic to Leeds United's attendances should they get into the premiership with the very successful Leeds Rhino's attendances in super league? I'm open to learning!
[quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hugh Balls[/bold] wrote: Farsley Bantam, why do have to resort to name calling. I suggest that to compare the two teams is wrong. Both play different sports, the City in the third tier, yes, the Bulls play in the top tier, at their best they command the same amount of season ticket sales as you. Why the animosity, you spew out, is beyond me. These teams represent the City of Bradford. As such there is no reason for anyone to attack the clubs or supporters. I find those who do, they know who they are , are beneath contempt. We should be grateful for the fact, there are two pro teams in Bradford. We could have lost both. Also to accuse someone of being" mental " is just plain ignorant. Those that use insults, rumours, show that they have very little knowledge of what is actually going on with both clubs. The likes of TVOR, PCA, RHINOSHELF, COLLUS, etc. are a disgrace and bring nothing to any of the forums they post on. Why they persist is beyond me, obviously nothing better to do.[/p][/quote]No animosity at all on my part. I've been down to Odsal many a time and consider myself a casual Bulls supporter. Perhaps the word 'mental' was not the right word to use. Total and utterly deluded would be more suitable to theviking62's comment. For some reason he thinks this cash injection is a panacea for all of Bulls' ills and was claiming some kind of victory over those of us that live in the real world, so I put him straight. When Bulls were at their peak during the Noble era they were averaging 14,000 supporters. If Bradford got back in the Premiership that stadium would be full to capacity every week, so 25,000 supporters. They are a much better supported club is my general point, with more loyal supporters. I really hope Bulls survive this but unlike some on here I am a realist.[/p][/quote]What a very immature way of comparing the football team with the rugby team. Using your logic can you explain that same logic to Leeds United's attendances should they get into the premiership with the very successful Leeds Rhino's attendances in super league? I'm open to learning! lonniejockstrap
  • Score: -2

12:33pm Fri 2 Aug 13

Samsung bull says...

Crowds are down at all super league clubs and when you only have one home game it doesn't help and then you have parasite clubs like HIddersfield tapping up a player illegally and then taking part of your sky money which should have been distributed to the grass routes of the game, the. Again what do you expect from a club who are top but have 5,000 fans, that's right top flaming top
Crowds are down at all super league clubs and when you only have one home game it doesn't help and then you have parasite clubs like HIddersfield tapping up a player illegally and then taking part of your sky money which should have been distributed to the grass routes of the game, the. Again what do you expect from a club who are top but have 5,000 fans, that's right top flaming top Samsung bull
  • Score: -5

12:34pm Fri 2 Aug 13

Samsung bull says...

That's one home game in two months!
That's one home game in two months! Samsung bull
  • Score: 1

12:35pm Fri 2 Aug 13

Loyalbull1981 says...

Considering that team top of the league local derby against cas only got 5690 or near enough that then we didnt do that bad to get 7900 against Hull when we are languishing in tenth place. Glass half full not half empty mindset needs to be had by some people. Working progress I say....
Considering that team top of the league local derby against cas only got 5690 or near enough that then we didnt do that bad to get 7900 against Hull when we are languishing in tenth place. Glass half full not half empty mindset needs to be had by some people. Working progress I say.... Loyalbull1981
  • Score: 1

12:40pm Fri 2 Aug 13

Samsung bull says...

Precisely right Loyalbull1981, anyone would think the other clubs were having crowds of 50,000 lol unless it is a negative story or a negative slant can be put on it, the trolls don't wanna know!! Onward and upward
Precisely right Loyalbull1981, anyone would think the other clubs were having crowds of 50,000 lol unless it is a negative story or a negative slant can be put on it, the trolls don't wanna know!! Onward and upward Samsung bull
  • Score: -3

12:41pm Fri 2 Aug 13

lonniejockstrap says...

Farsley Bantam wrote:
lonniejockstrap wrote:
Farsley Bantam wrote:
theviking62 wrote: TVOR, PCA, RHINOSHELF, COLLUS, PABLO, we done beat you boys good. Aah but what's that I hear fighting for a place under the rock boys. Would you care to make an apology, for ALL the poorly informed statements you made. From one Bradfordian to another, thanks OK for investing in the future of our great club. Not only is this an investment in the Bulls, it is an investment in the City of Bradford. Onwards and Upwards. COYB
Are you mentally ill? How have you 'won'? This investment is like putting a plaster on a gaping wound. It'll stop the bleeding but it won't solve the problem. When it runs out (in about 2/3 months time) then what? Khan can't keep raiding his piggy bank to subsidise this trainwreck.
Have you got any suggestions as to solving the present attempts to turn around the Bulls misfortune -brought about by other people NOT Mr Khan? Would you have wished that Julian Rhodes had had the same defeatist attitude with the Bantams as you appear to have with the future of the Bulls? A lot can happen over the next season or two but the Bulls have to be in existence for them to have a chance of turning things around. OK has provided a bit of breathing space. Why can't you see any positive in that?
Ofcourse I can see the positive in it. As you say it gives them some breathing space and a fighting chance which is undoubtably a good thing.
My comment was in response to theviking's premature celebrations. He seems to think thats the end of it now when anyone can see that there is more trouble lurking round the corner. The club was only saved a year ago and so started with a clean slate and already financial problems have occured. Its clearly a combination of financial mismanagement and an unsustainable business model.
Fans turning up in droves will help turn around their fortunes but how they do this I don't know. I have spoken to several people who used to be season ticket holders but now don't go at all, because they don't want to watch mid table mediocrity. What sort of fans are they? Only 7,900 turned up for the last home game.
If you believe the Bulls 'started with a clean slate' then I think you need to do some research into what OK has had to agree with giving up as regards monies from the the RFL. Posters on here, including you, are making the point of how important finance is to the Bulls and that OK can only put his hand in his pocket for so long. Well, I agree. Now tell me how the much the Bulls AND OK have had denied them in finances over this and next season. Then tell me whether you think that amount of money being shared out among the Bulls competitors is making competing against them easier or more difficult for the Bulls.
[quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lonniejockstrap[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]theviking62[/bold] wrote: TVOR, PCA, RHINOSHELF, COLLUS, PABLO, we done beat you boys good. Aah but what's that I hear fighting for a place under the rock boys. Would you care to make an apology, for ALL the poorly informed statements you made. From one Bradfordian to another, thanks OK for investing in the future of our great club. Not only is this an investment in the Bulls, it is an investment in the City of Bradford. Onwards and Upwards. COYB[/p][/quote]Are you mentally ill? How have you 'won'? This investment is like putting a plaster on a gaping wound. It'll stop the bleeding but it won't solve the problem. When it runs out (in about 2/3 months time) then what? Khan can't keep raiding his piggy bank to subsidise this trainwreck.[/p][/quote]Have you got any suggestions as to solving the present attempts to turn around the Bulls misfortune -brought about by other people NOT Mr Khan? Would you have wished that Julian Rhodes had had the same defeatist attitude with the Bantams as you appear to have with the future of the Bulls? A lot can happen over the next season or two but the Bulls have to be in existence for them to have a chance of turning things around. OK has provided a bit of breathing space. Why can't you see any positive in that?[/p][/quote]Ofcourse I can see the positive in it. As you say it gives them some breathing space and a fighting chance which is undoubtably a good thing. My comment was in response to theviking's premature celebrations. He seems to think thats the end of it now when anyone can see that there is more trouble lurking round the corner. The club was only saved a year ago and so started with a clean slate and already financial problems have occured. Its clearly a combination of financial mismanagement and an unsustainable business model. Fans turning up in droves will help turn around their fortunes but how they do this I don't know. I have spoken to several people who used to be season ticket holders but now don't go at all, because they don't want to watch mid table mediocrity. What sort of fans are they? Only 7,900 turned up for the last home game.[/p][/quote]If you believe the Bulls 'started with a clean slate' then I think you need to do some research into what OK has had to agree with giving up as regards monies from the the RFL. Posters on here, including you, are making the point of how important finance is to the Bulls and that OK can only put his hand in his pocket for so long. Well, I agree. Now tell me how the much the Bulls AND OK have had denied them in finances over this and next season. Then tell me whether you think that amount of money being shared out among the Bulls competitors is making competing against them easier or more difficult for the Bulls. lonniejockstrap
  • Score: -2

12:41pm Fri 2 Aug 13

Thee Voice of Reason says...

Samsung bull wrote:
To the voice of reason same applies to most clubs except when we were top we had some crowds of 20k and we double husdersfields crowds now hahahaha joke
Live in the past, thats bound to pay the bills of tomorrow.
[quote][p][bold]Samsung bull[/bold] wrote: To the voice of reason same applies to most clubs except when we were top we had some crowds of 20k and we double husdersfields crowds now hahahaha joke[/p][/quote]Live in the past, thats bound to pay the bills of tomorrow. Thee Voice of Reason
  • Score: 4

12:44pm Fri 2 Aug 13

Samsung bull says...

Thing is the voice of reason you are a complete tool yeah I will live how I wanna thanks, we still outperform little Huddersfield for crowds and as for you I will say what I want, all you wanna do is sit behind your computer and moan get a flaming life you complete troll
Thing is the voice of reason you are a complete tool yeah I will live how I wanna thanks, we still outperform little Huddersfield for crowds and as for you I will say what I want, all you wanna do is sit behind your computer and moan get a flaming life you complete troll Samsung bull
  • Score: -3

12:45pm Fri 2 Aug 13

Samsung bull says...

Wooly bully and the four winners of sl remain the same hahaha
Wooly bully and the four winners of sl remain the same hahaha Samsung bull
  • Score: -2

12:55pm Fri 2 Aug 13

lonniejockstrap says...

lonniejockstrap wrote:
theviking62 wrote:
Remind me the next time your team, if you support it are in trouble. Didn't your chairman loan a million to keep you afloat. IF you hadn't had a good cup run, where would you be. Answers welcome.
TVOR refers to posters being 'deluded' whilst at the same time believing he is making an informed comment on what the problems are at the Bulls. I wonder if he can tell us all what the reasons are for the financial debt problems at the majority of the other super league Clubs and, if they are the same, why is he ignoring this point when salivating over the Bulls difficulties. Have you noticed also what an expert he is in pointing out the obvious issues that make OK's efforts that much more challenging? Have you ever come across TVOR laying out any sort of detailed solutions to gradually turning the Bulls around? Well, that is the BIG difference between the sideline charlatans and the Omar Khans of this world. There are talkers and there are doers.
By the way viking, TVOR was doing his utmost in doing down the Chairmen of Bradford City when he believed the Club was so wounded that it couldn't defend itself -and don't forget, he's a 'season ticket holder'. The negatives only win if you let them win. And like I said on a previous post TVOR was full of false accusations and empty on his predictions that City were going nowhere. I don't financially support the Bulls and I don't live in Bradford now, but the Bulls get my support in spirit and mind -as does OK and anyone else who is doing their best and representing Bradford.
[quote][p][bold]lonniejockstrap[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]theviking62[/bold] wrote: Remind me the next time your team, if you support it are in trouble. Didn't your chairman loan a million to keep you afloat. IF you hadn't had a good cup run, where would you be. Answers welcome.[/p][/quote]TVOR refers to posters being 'deluded' whilst at the same time believing he is making an informed comment on what the problems are at the Bulls. I wonder if he can tell us all what the reasons are for the financial debt problems at the majority of the other super league Clubs and, if they are the same, why is he ignoring this point when salivating over the Bulls difficulties. Have you noticed also what an expert he is in pointing out the obvious issues that make OK's efforts that much more challenging? Have you ever come across TVOR laying out any sort of detailed solutions to gradually turning the Bulls around? Well, that is the BIG difference between the sideline charlatans and the Omar Khans of this world. There are talkers and there are doers.[/p][/quote]By the way viking, TVOR was doing his utmost in doing down the Chairmen of Bradford City when he believed the Club was so wounded that it couldn't defend itself -and don't forget, he's a 'season ticket holder'. The negatives only win if you let them win. And like I said on a previous post TVOR was full of false accusations and empty on his predictions that City were going nowhere. I don't financially support the Bulls and I don't live in Bradford now, but the Bulls get my support in spirit and mind -as does OK and anyone else who is doing their best and representing Bradford. lonniejockstrap
  • Score: 2

12:59pm Fri 2 Aug 13

Steam Pigs says...

Do not FEED THE TROLLS

Ignoring their bile is a sure fire way to make them even more livid, they seek and crave attention, they feed on it - by ignoring their jibes you can literally watch them froth at the mouth (dribbling on their keyboards) in faux outrage.

C'mon you BULLS - onwards and UPWARDS
Do not FEED THE TROLLS Ignoring their bile is a sure fire way to make them even more livid, they seek and crave attention, they feed on it - by ignoring their jibes you can literally watch them froth at the mouth (dribbling on their keyboards) in faux outrage. C'mon you BULLS - onwards and UPWARDS Steam Pigs
  • Score: -3

1:00pm Fri 2 Aug 13

Exiled in HD says...

There's lots of ways we can help the club with cash.Use the Coral Stand for a few beers on none match days.Also don't moan about £3.50 for 2 bottles of lager - it's £3.50 for 1 at The Gayfarm.And still see scratters bringing cans to the game!
There's lots of ways we can help the club with cash.Use the Coral Stand for a few beers on none match days.Also don't moan about £3.50 for 2 bottles of lager - it's £3.50 for 1 at The Gayfarm.And still see scratters bringing cans to the game! Exiled in HD
  • Score: 2

1:00pm Fri 2 Aug 13

Steam Pigs says...

PS Nice one Omar, proves the doubters wrong that you didn't have the financial clout - you obviously do!
PS Nice one Omar, proves the doubters wrong that you didn't have the financial clout - you obviously do! Steam Pigs
  • Score: -1

1:16pm Fri 2 Aug 13

Farsley Bantam says...

lonniejockstrap wrote:
Farsley Bantam wrote:
lonniejockstrap wrote:
Farsley Bantam wrote:
theviking62 wrote: TVOR, PCA, RHINOSHELF, COLLUS, PABLO, we done beat you boys good. Aah but what's that I hear fighting for a place under the rock boys. Would you care to make an apology, for ALL the poorly informed statements you made. From one Bradfordian to another, thanks OK for investing in the future of our great club. Not only is this an investment in the Bulls, it is an investment in the City of Bradford. Onwards and Upwards. COYB
Are you mentally ill? How have you 'won'? This investment is like putting a plaster on a gaping wound. It'll stop the bleeding but it won't solve the problem. When it runs out (in about 2/3 months time) then what? Khan can't keep raiding his piggy bank to subsidise this trainwreck.
Have you got any suggestions as to solving the present attempts to turn around the Bulls misfortune -brought about by other people NOT Mr Khan? Would you have wished that Julian Rhodes had had the same defeatist attitude with the Bantams as you appear to have with the future of the Bulls? A lot can happen over the next season or two but the Bulls have to be in existence for them to have a chance of turning things around. OK has provided a bit of breathing space. Why can't you see any positive in that?
Ofcourse I can see the positive in it. As you say it gives them some breathing space and a fighting chance which is undoubtably a good thing. My comment was in response to theviking's premature celebrations. He seems to think thats the end of it now when anyone can see that there is more trouble lurking round the corner. The club was only saved a year ago and so started with a clean slate and already financial problems have occured. Its clearly a combination of financial mismanagement and an unsustainable business model. Fans turning up in droves will help turn around their fortunes but how they do this I don't know. I have spoken to several people who used to be season ticket holders but now don't go at all, because they don't want to watch mid table mediocrity. What sort of fans are they? Only 7,900 turned up for the last home game.
If you believe the Bulls 'started with a clean slate' then I think you need to do some research into what OK has had to agree with giving up as regards monies from the the RFL. Posters on here, including you, are making the point of how important finance is to the Bulls and that OK can only put his hand in his pocket for so long. Well, I agree. Now tell me how the much the Bulls AND OK have had denied them in finances over this and next season. Then tell me whether you think that amount of money being shared out among the Bulls competitors is making competing against them easier or more difficult for the Bulls.
When i say 'clean slate' I mean the old debt was wiped. As you say when he signed up he had to waive a load of RFL cash so obviously this makes things harder for the Bulls, noone in their right mind would argue otherwise. My point is that OK, Sutcliffe et al knew about this when they put pen to paper so either they got their sums wrong or they have mismanaged the running of the club. A bit a both I imagine.
[quote][p][bold]lonniejockstrap[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lonniejockstrap[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]theviking62[/bold] wrote: TVOR, PCA, RHINOSHELF, COLLUS, PABLO, we done beat you boys good. Aah but what's that I hear fighting for a place under the rock boys. Would you care to make an apology, for ALL the poorly informed statements you made. From one Bradfordian to another, thanks OK for investing in the future of our great club. Not only is this an investment in the Bulls, it is an investment in the City of Bradford. Onwards and Upwards. COYB[/p][/quote]Are you mentally ill? How have you 'won'? This investment is like putting a plaster on a gaping wound. It'll stop the bleeding but it won't solve the problem. When it runs out (in about 2/3 months time) then what? Khan can't keep raiding his piggy bank to subsidise this trainwreck.[/p][/quote]Have you got any suggestions as to solving the present attempts to turn around the Bulls misfortune -brought about by other people NOT Mr Khan? Would you have wished that Julian Rhodes had had the same defeatist attitude with the Bantams as you appear to have with the future of the Bulls? A lot can happen over the next season or two but the Bulls have to be in existence for them to have a chance of turning things around. OK has provided a bit of breathing space. Why can't you see any positive in that?[/p][/quote]Ofcourse I can see the positive in it. As you say it gives them some breathing space and a fighting chance which is undoubtably a good thing. My comment was in response to theviking's premature celebrations. He seems to think thats the end of it now when anyone can see that there is more trouble lurking round the corner. The club was only saved a year ago and so started with a clean slate and already financial problems have occured. Its clearly a combination of financial mismanagement and an unsustainable business model. Fans turning up in droves will help turn around their fortunes but how they do this I don't know. I have spoken to several people who used to be season ticket holders but now don't go at all, because they don't want to watch mid table mediocrity. What sort of fans are they? Only 7,900 turned up for the last home game.[/p][/quote]If you believe the Bulls 'started with a clean slate' then I think you need to do some research into what OK has had to agree with giving up as regards monies from the the RFL. Posters on here, including you, are making the point of how important finance is to the Bulls and that OK can only put his hand in his pocket for so long. Well, I agree. Now tell me how the much the Bulls AND OK have had denied them in finances over this and next season. Then tell me whether you think that amount of money being shared out among the Bulls competitors is making competing against them easier or more difficult for the Bulls.[/p][/quote]When i say 'clean slate' I mean the old debt was wiped. As you say when he signed up he had to waive a load of RFL cash so obviously this makes things harder for the Bulls, noone in their right mind would argue otherwise. My point is that OK, Sutcliffe et al knew about this when they put pen to paper so either they got their sums wrong or they have mismanaged the running of the club. A bit a both I imagine. Farsley Bantam
  • Score: 1

1:29pm Fri 2 Aug 13

Farsley Bantam says...

lonniejockstrap wrote:
Farsley Bantam wrote:
Hugh Balls wrote: Farsley Bantam, why do have to resort to name calling. I suggest that to compare the two teams is wrong. Both play different sports, the City in the third tier, yes, the Bulls play in the top tier, at their best they command the same amount of season ticket sales as you. Why the animosity, you spew out, is beyond me. These teams represent the City of Bradford. As such there is no reason for anyone to attack the clubs or supporters. I find those who do, they know who they are , are beneath contempt. We should be grateful for the fact, there are two pro teams in Bradford. We could have lost both. Also to accuse someone of being" mental " is just plain ignorant. Those that use insults, rumours, show that they have very little knowledge of what is actually going on with both clubs. The likes of TVOR, PCA, RHINOSHELF, COLLUS, etc. are a disgrace and bring nothing to any of the forums they post on. Why they persist is beyond me, obviously nothing better to do.
No animosity at all on my part. I've been down to Odsal many a time and consider myself a casual Bulls supporter. Perhaps the word 'mental' was not the right word to use. Total and utterly deluded would be more suitable to theviking62's comment. For some reason he thinks this cash injection is a panacea for all of Bulls' ills and was claiming some kind of victory over those of us that live in the real world, so I put him straight. When Bulls were at their peak during the Noble era they were averaging 14,000 supporters. If Bradford got back in the Premiership that stadium would be full to capacity every week, so 25,000 supporters. They are a much better supported club is my general point, with more loyal supporters. I really hope Bulls survive this but unlike some on here I am a realist.
What a very immature way of comparing the football team with the rugby team. Using your logic can you explain that same logic to Leeds United's attendances should they get into the premiership with the very successful Leeds Rhino's attendances in super league? I'm open to learning!
'Immature'? How do you work that one out? It's really quite simple Lonnie. People enjoy watching successful teams in any sport. The more successful a team the more people go and watch. If a team starts to decline then attendances correlate with this. It's a simple formula;

Team winning lots = lots of fans
Team losing lots = less fans

Leeds Rhino's have been there or there abouts for the last few seasons so their attendances have remained at consistently high levels. Leeds United finished lower mid table in the Championship so average attendances were around the 20k. If and when they return to the PL then their attendances will be back up to the 35k mark (as they were when Leeds were last in the PL). Why? More people are prepared to pay to watch the likes of Manchester United and Chelsea than say Yeovil.
I'm staggered that you need me to explain this basic concept Lonnie. I can draw a graph if that would help?
[quote][p][bold]lonniejockstrap[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hugh Balls[/bold] wrote: Farsley Bantam, why do have to resort to name calling. I suggest that to compare the two teams is wrong. Both play different sports, the City in the third tier, yes, the Bulls play in the top tier, at their best they command the same amount of season ticket sales as you. Why the animosity, you spew out, is beyond me. These teams represent the City of Bradford. As such there is no reason for anyone to attack the clubs or supporters. I find those who do, they know who they are , are beneath contempt. We should be grateful for the fact, there are two pro teams in Bradford. We could have lost both. Also to accuse someone of being" mental " is just plain ignorant. Those that use insults, rumours, show that they have very little knowledge of what is actually going on with both clubs. The likes of TVOR, PCA, RHINOSHELF, COLLUS, etc. are a disgrace and bring nothing to any of the forums they post on. Why they persist is beyond me, obviously nothing better to do.[/p][/quote]No animosity at all on my part. I've been down to Odsal many a time and consider myself a casual Bulls supporter. Perhaps the word 'mental' was not the right word to use. Total and utterly deluded would be more suitable to theviking62's comment. For some reason he thinks this cash injection is a panacea for all of Bulls' ills and was claiming some kind of victory over those of us that live in the real world, so I put him straight. When Bulls were at their peak during the Noble era they were averaging 14,000 supporters. If Bradford got back in the Premiership that stadium would be full to capacity every week, so 25,000 supporters. They are a much better supported club is my general point, with more loyal supporters. I really hope Bulls survive this but unlike some on here I am a realist.[/p][/quote]What a very immature way of comparing the football team with the rugby team. Using your logic can you explain that same logic to Leeds United's attendances should they get into the premiership with the very successful Leeds Rhino's attendances in super league? I'm open to learning![/p][/quote]'Immature'? How do you work that one out? It's really quite simple Lonnie. People enjoy watching successful teams in any sport. The more successful a team the more people go and watch. If a team starts to decline then attendances correlate with this. It's a simple formula; Team winning lots = lots of fans Team losing lots = less fans Leeds Rhino's have been there or there abouts for the last few seasons so their attendances have remained at consistently high levels. Leeds United finished lower mid table in the Championship so average attendances were around the 20k. If and when they return to the PL then their attendances will be back up to the 35k mark (as they were when Leeds were last in the PL). Why? More people are prepared to pay to watch the likes of Manchester United and Chelsea than say Yeovil. I'm staggered that you need me to explain this basic concept Lonnie. I can draw a graph if that would help? Farsley Bantam
  • Score: 3

2:03pm Fri 2 Aug 13

lonniejockstrap says...

Farsley Bantam wrote:
lonniejockstrap wrote:
Farsley Bantam wrote:
lonniejockstrap wrote:
Farsley Bantam wrote:
theviking62 wrote: TVOR, PCA, RHINOSHELF, COLLUS, PABLO, we done beat you boys good. Aah but what's that I hear fighting for a place under the rock boys. Would you care to make an apology, for ALL the poorly informed statements you made. From one Bradfordian to another, thanks OK for investing in the future of our great club. Not only is this an investment in the Bulls, it is an investment in the City of Bradford. Onwards and Upwards. COYB
Are you mentally ill? How have you 'won'? This investment is like putting a plaster on a gaping wound. It'll stop the bleeding but it won't solve the problem. When it runs out (in about 2/3 months time) then what? Khan can't keep raiding his piggy bank to subsidise this trainwreck.
Have you got any suggestions as to solving the present attempts to turn around the Bulls misfortune -brought about by other people NOT Mr Khan? Would you have wished that Julian Rhodes had had the same defeatist attitude with the Bantams as you appear to have with the future of the Bulls? A lot can happen over the next season or two but the Bulls have to be in existence for them to have a chance of turning things around. OK has provided a bit of breathing space. Why can't you see any positive in that?
Ofcourse I can see the positive in it. As you say it gives them some breathing space and a fighting chance which is undoubtably a good thing. My comment was in response to theviking's premature celebrations. He seems to think thats the end of it now when anyone can see that there is more trouble lurking round the corner. The club was only saved a year ago and so started with a clean slate and already financial problems have occured. Its clearly a combination of financial mismanagement and an unsustainable business model. Fans turning up in droves will help turn around their fortunes but how they do this I don't know. I have spoken to several people who used to be season ticket holders but now don't go at all, because they don't want to watch mid table mediocrity. What sort of fans are they? Only 7,900 turned up for the last home game.
If you believe the Bulls 'started with a clean slate' then I think you need to do some research into what OK has had to agree with giving up as regards monies from the the RFL. Posters on here, including you, are making the point of how important finance is to the Bulls and that OK can only put his hand in his pocket for so long. Well, I agree. Now tell me how the much the Bulls AND OK have had denied them in finances over this and next season. Then tell me whether you think that amount of money being shared out among the Bulls competitors is making competing against them easier or more difficult for the Bulls.
When i say 'clean slate' I mean the old debt was wiped. As you say when he signed up he had to waive a load of RFL cash so obviously this makes things harder for the Bulls, noone in their right mind would argue otherwise. My point is that OK, Sutcliffe et al knew about this when they put pen to paper so either they got their sums wrong or they have mismanaged the running of the club. A bit a both I imagine.
OK agreed the deal because it was the only way the Bulls could stay in Super League. And don't forget that the Bulls also had 6 points deducted which cost them a play off spot -how much was that worth financially? You are suggesting that the Club has been mismanaged and that OK -a very successful businessman can't do his sums. This is again a simplistic/immature way of arriving at your conclusion I would suggest. I notice that you omitted to include the lower than expected/hoped for attendances in your conclusion so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume the lower attendances are the reason for 'sums' being wrong?

What would you have preferred Farsley, OK providing a life-line for the Bulls and risking a hell of a lot of his money for the sake of the fans and Bradford? or would you have preferred him to have let the Club go into liquidation and really start with a 'clean slate'?
[quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lonniejockstrap[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lonniejockstrap[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]theviking62[/bold] wrote: TVOR, PCA, RHINOSHELF, COLLUS, PABLO, we done beat you boys good. Aah but what's that I hear fighting for a place under the rock boys. Would you care to make an apology, for ALL the poorly informed statements you made. From one Bradfordian to another, thanks OK for investing in the future of our great club. Not only is this an investment in the Bulls, it is an investment in the City of Bradford. Onwards and Upwards. COYB[/p][/quote]Are you mentally ill? How have you 'won'? This investment is like putting a plaster on a gaping wound. It'll stop the bleeding but it won't solve the problem. When it runs out (in about 2/3 months time) then what? Khan can't keep raiding his piggy bank to subsidise this trainwreck.[/p][/quote]Have you got any suggestions as to solving the present attempts to turn around the Bulls misfortune -brought about by other people NOT Mr Khan? Would you have wished that Julian Rhodes had had the same defeatist attitude with the Bantams as you appear to have with the future of the Bulls? A lot can happen over the next season or two but the Bulls have to be in existence for them to have a chance of turning things around. OK has provided a bit of breathing space. Why can't you see any positive in that?[/p][/quote]Ofcourse I can see the positive in it. As you say it gives them some breathing space and a fighting chance which is undoubtably a good thing. My comment was in response to theviking's premature celebrations. He seems to think thats the end of it now when anyone can see that there is more trouble lurking round the corner. The club was only saved a year ago and so started with a clean slate and already financial problems have occured. Its clearly a combination of financial mismanagement and an unsustainable business model. Fans turning up in droves will help turn around their fortunes but how they do this I don't know. I have spoken to several people who used to be season ticket holders but now don't go at all, because they don't want to watch mid table mediocrity. What sort of fans are they? Only 7,900 turned up for the last home game.[/p][/quote]If you believe the Bulls 'started with a clean slate' then I think you need to do some research into what OK has had to agree with giving up as regards monies from the the RFL. Posters on here, including you, are making the point of how important finance is to the Bulls and that OK can only put his hand in his pocket for so long. Well, I agree. Now tell me how the much the Bulls AND OK have had denied them in finances over this and next season. Then tell me whether you think that amount of money being shared out among the Bulls competitors is making competing against them easier or more difficult for the Bulls.[/p][/quote]When i say 'clean slate' I mean the old debt was wiped. As you say when he signed up he had to waive a load of RFL cash so obviously this makes things harder for the Bulls, noone in their right mind would argue otherwise. My point is that OK, Sutcliffe et al knew about this when they put pen to paper so either they got their sums wrong or they have mismanaged the running of the club. A bit a both I imagine.[/p][/quote]OK agreed the deal because it was the only way the Bulls could stay in Super League. And don't forget that the Bulls also had 6 points deducted which cost them a play off spot -how much was that worth financially? You are suggesting that the Club has been mismanaged and that OK -a very successful businessman can't do his sums. This is again a simplistic/immature way of arriving at your conclusion I would suggest. I notice that you omitted to include the lower than expected/hoped for attendances in your conclusion so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume the lower attendances are the reason for 'sums' being wrong? What would you have preferred Farsley, OK providing a life-line for the Bulls and risking a hell of a lot of his money for the sake of the fans and Bradford? or would you have preferred him to have let the Club go into liquidation and really start with a 'clean slate'? lonniejockstrap
  • Score: 0

2:14pm Fri 2 Aug 13

lonniejockstrap says...

Farsley Bantam wrote:
lonniejockstrap wrote:
Farsley Bantam wrote:
Hugh Balls wrote: Farsley Bantam, why do have to resort to name calling. I suggest that to compare the two teams is wrong. Both play different sports, the City in the third tier, yes, the Bulls play in the top tier, at their best they command the same amount of season ticket sales as you. Why the animosity, you spew out, is beyond me. These teams represent the City of Bradford. As such there is no reason for anyone to attack the clubs or supporters. I find those who do, they know who they are , are beneath contempt. We should be grateful for the fact, there are two pro teams in Bradford. We could have lost both. Also to accuse someone of being" mental " is just plain ignorant. Those that use insults, rumours, show that they have very little knowledge of what is actually going on with both clubs. The likes of TVOR, PCA, RHINOSHELF, COLLUS, etc. are a disgrace and bring nothing to any of the forums they post on. Why they persist is beyond me, obviously nothing better to do.
No animosity at all on my part. I've been down to Odsal many a time and consider myself a casual Bulls supporter. Perhaps the word 'mental' was not the right word to use. Total and utterly deluded would be more suitable to theviking62's comment. For some reason he thinks this cash injection is a panacea for all of Bulls' ills and was claiming some kind of victory over those of us that live in the real world, so I put him straight. When Bulls were at their peak during the Noble era they were averaging 14,000 supporters. If Bradford got back in the Premiership that stadium would be full to capacity every week, so 25,000 supporters. They are a much better supported club is my general point, with more loyal supporters. I really hope Bulls survive this but unlike some on here I am a realist.
What a very immature way of comparing the football team with the rugby team. Using your logic can you explain that same logic to Leeds United's attendances should they get into the premiership with the very successful Leeds Rhino's attendances in super league? I'm open to learning!
'Immature'? How do you work that one out? It's really quite simple Lonnie. People enjoy watching successful teams in any sport. The more successful a team the more people go and watch. If a team starts to decline then attendances correlate with this. It's a simple formula;

Team winning lots = lots of fans
Team losing lots = less fans

Leeds Rhino's have been there or there abouts for the last few seasons so their attendances have remained at consistently high levels. Leeds United finished lower mid table in the Championship so average attendances were around the 20k. If and when they return to the PL then their attendances will be back up to the 35k mark (as they were when Leeds were last in the PL). Why? More people are prepared to pay to watch the likes of Manchester United and Chelsea than say Yeovil.
I'm staggered that you need me to explain this basic concept Lonnie. I can draw a graph if that would help?
No you don't need to draw a graph you just need to explain why Leeds Rhino's are not getting 35000 at home. You are the one who believes football and rugby league is comparable as a spectator sport. So, no graphs, just explain why rhino's only get half the attendance that Leeds United get. I could ask you why the rhino's don't get the crowds Chelsea, Arsenal and Man U get but I think the penny should have dropped by now.
[quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lonniejockstrap[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hugh Balls[/bold] wrote: Farsley Bantam, why do have to resort to name calling. I suggest that to compare the two teams is wrong. Both play different sports, the City in the third tier, yes, the Bulls play in the top tier, at their best they command the same amount of season ticket sales as you. Why the animosity, you spew out, is beyond me. These teams represent the City of Bradford. As such there is no reason for anyone to attack the clubs or supporters. I find those who do, they know who they are , are beneath contempt. We should be grateful for the fact, there are two pro teams in Bradford. We could have lost both. Also to accuse someone of being" mental " is just plain ignorant. Those that use insults, rumours, show that they have very little knowledge of what is actually going on with both clubs. The likes of TVOR, PCA, RHINOSHELF, COLLUS, etc. are a disgrace and bring nothing to any of the forums they post on. Why they persist is beyond me, obviously nothing better to do.[/p][/quote]No animosity at all on my part. I've been down to Odsal many a time and consider myself a casual Bulls supporter. Perhaps the word 'mental' was not the right word to use. Total and utterly deluded would be more suitable to theviking62's comment. For some reason he thinks this cash injection is a panacea for all of Bulls' ills and was claiming some kind of victory over those of us that live in the real world, so I put him straight. When Bulls were at their peak during the Noble era they were averaging 14,000 supporters. If Bradford got back in the Premiership that stadium would be full to capacity every week, so 25,000 supporters. They are a much better supported club is my general point, with more loyal supporters. I really hope Bulls survive this but unlike some on here I am a realist.[/p][/quote]What a very immature way of comparing the football team with the rugby team. Using your logic can you explain that same logic to Leeds United's attendances should they get into the premiership with the very successful Leeds Rhino's attendances in super league? I'm open to learning![/p][/quote]'Immature'? How do you work that one out? It's really quite simple Lonnie. People enjoy watching successful teams in any sport. The more successful a team the more people go and watch. If a team starts to decline then attendances correlate with this. It's a simple formula; Team winning lots = lots of fans Team losing lots = less fans Leeds Rhino's have been there or there abouts for the last few seasons so their attendances have remained at consistently high levels. Leeds United finished lower mid table in the Championship so average attendances were around the 20k. If and when they return to the PL then their attendances will be back up to the 35k mark (as they were when Leeds were last in the PL). Why? More people are prepared to pay to watch the likes of Manchester United and Chelsea than say Yeovil. I'm staggered that you need me to explain this basic concept Lonnie. I can draw a graph if that would help?[/p][/quote]No you don't need to draw a graph you just need to explain why Leeds Rhino's are not getting 35000 at home. You are the one who believes football and rugby league is comparable as a spectator sport. So, no graphs, just explain why rhino's only get half the attendance that Leeds United get. I could ask you why the rhino's don't get the crowds Chelsea, Arsenal and Man U get but I think the penny should have dropped by now. lonniejockstrap
  • Score: -1

2:34pm Fri 2 Aug 13

Farsley Bantam says...

lonniejockstrap wrote:
Farsley Bantam wrote:
lonniejockstrap wrote:
Farsley Bantam wrote:
lonniejockstrap wrote:
Farsley Bantam wrote:
theviking62 wrote: TVOR, PCA, RHINOSHELF, COLLUS, PABLO, we done beat you boys good. Aah but what's that I hear fighting for a place under the rock boys. Would you care to make an apology, for ALL the poorly informed statements you made. From one Bradfordian to another, thanks OK for investing in the future of our great club. Not only is this an investment in the Bulls, it is an investment in the City of Bradford. Onwards and Upwards. COYB
Are you mentally ill? How have you 'won'? This investment is like putting a plaster on a gaping wound. It'll stop the bleeding but it won't solve the problem. When it runs out (in about 2/3 months time) then what? Khan can't keep raiding his piggy bank to subsidise this trainwreck.
Have you got any suggestions as to solving the present attempts to turn around the Bulls misfortune -brought about by other people NOT Mr Khan? Would you have wished that Julian Rhodes had had the same defeatist attitude with the Bantams as you appear to have with the future of the Bulls? A lot can happen over the next season or two but the Bulls have to be in existence for them to have a chance of turning things around. OK has provided a bit of breathing space. Why can't you see any positive in that?
Ofcourse I can see the positive in it. As you say it gives them some breathing space and a fighting chance which is undoubtably a good thing. My comment was in response to theviking's premature celebrations. He seems to think thats the end of it now when anyone can see that there is more trouble lurking round the corner. The club was only saved a year ago and so started with a clean slate and already financial problems have occured. Its clearly a combination of financial mismanagement and an unsustainable business model. Fans turning up in droves will help turn around their fortunes but how they do this I don't know. I have spoken to several people who used to be season ticket holders but now don't go at all, because they don't want to watch mid table mediocrity. What sort of fans are they? Only 7,900 turned up for the last home game.
If you believe the Bulls 'started with a clean slate' then I think you need to do some research into what OK has had to agree with giving up as regards monies from the the RFL. Posters on here, including you, are making the point of how important finance is to the Bulls and that OK can only put his hand in his pocket for so long. Well, I agree. Now tell me how the much the Bulls AND OK have had denied them in finances over this and next season. Then tell me whether you think that amount of money being shared out among the Bulls competitors is making competing against them easier or more difficult for the Bulls.
When i say 'clean slate' I mean the old debt was wiped. As you say when he signed up he had to waive a load of RFL cash so obviously this makes things harder for the Bulls, noone in their right mind would argue otherwise. My point is that OK, Sutcliffe et al knew about this when they put pen to paper so either they got their sums wrong or they have mismanaged the running of the club. A bit a both I imagine.
OK agreed the deal because it was the only way the Bulls could stay in Super League. And don't forget that the Bulls also had 6 points deducted which cost them a play off spot -how much was that worth financially? You are suggesting that the Club has been mismanaged and that OK -a very successful businessman can't do his sums. This is again a simplistic/immature way of arriving at your conclusion I would suggest. I notice that you omitted to include the lower than expected/hoped for attendances in your conclusion so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume the lower attendances are the reason for 'sums' being wrong? What would you have preferred Farsley, OK providing a life-line for the Bulls and risking a hell of a lot of his money for the sake of the fans and Bradford? or would you have preferred him to have let the Club go into liquidation and really start with a 'clean slate'?
Lower than expected/hoped for attendances= over ambitous/unrealstic expectations for attendances. Ofcourse they were going to be lower. The season ticket prices for the previous 2 years have been far too low. Now they are properly priced, an inevitably poorer standard of rugby is on offer so unsurprisingly (to me at least) less people will sign up. See my earlier post as to why this is.
The points deduction- known about when pen was put to paper. No surprise there.
OK may be a successful businessman in other areas but sport is not a conventional business and he has probably not appreciated the complexities that it entails. Obviously he can't control what happens on the pitch and a playoff push/cup run could have provided a bit of much needed cash, but it would be foolish to factor this potential revenue into a budget.
I should point out though that OK has done a very noble thing and deserves massive respect for putting his money on the line.
[quote][p][bold]lonniejockstrap[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lonniejockstrap[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lonniejockstrap[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]theviking62[/bold] wrote: TVOR, PCA, RHINOSHELF, COLLUS, PABLO, we done beat you boys good. Aah but what's that I hear fighting for a place under the rock boys. Would you care to make an apology, for ALL the poorly informed statements you made. From one Bradfordian to another, thanks OK for investing in the future of our great club. Not only is this an investment in the Bulls, it is an investment in the City of Bradford. Onwards and Upwards. COYB[/p][/quote]Are you mentally ill? How have you 'won'? This investment is like putting a plaster on a gaping wound. It'll stop the bleeding but it won't solve the problem. When it runs out (in about 2/3 months time) then what? Khan can't keep raiding his piggy bank to subsidise this trainwreck.[/p][/quote]Have you got any suggestions as to solving the present attempts to turn around the Bulls misfortune -brought about by other people NOT Mr Khan? Would you have wished that Julian Rhodes had had the same defeatist attitude with the Bantams as you appear to have with the future of the Bulls? A lot can happen over the next season or two but the Bulls have to be in existence for them to have a chance of turning things around. OK has provided a bit of breathing space. Why can't you see any positive in that?[/p][/quote]Ofcourse I can see the positive in it. As you say it gives them some breathing space and a fighting chance which is undoubtably a good thing. My comment was in response to theviking's premature celebrations. He seems to think thats the end of it now when anyone can see that there is more trouble lurking round the corner. The club was only saved a year ago and so started with a clean slate and already financial problems have occured. Its clearly a combination of financial mismanagement and an unsustainable business model. Fans turning up in droves will help turn around their fortunes but how they do this I don't know. I have spoken to several people who used to be season ticket holders but now don't go at all, because they don't want to watch mid table mediocrity. What sort of fans are they? Only 7,900 turned up for the last home game.[/p][/quote]If you believe the Bulls 'started with a clean slate' then I think you need to do some research into what OK has had to agree with giving up as regards monies from the the RFL. Posters on here, including you, are making the point of how important finance is to the Bulls and that OK can only put his hand in his pocket for so long. Well, I agree. Now tell me how the much the Bulls AND OK have had denied them in finances over this and next season. Then tell me whether you think that amount of money being shared out among the Bulls competitors is making competing against them easier or more difficult for the Bulls.[/p][/quote]When i say 'clean slate' I mean the old debt was wiped. As you say when he signed up he had to waive a load of RFL cash so obviously this makes things harder for the Bulls, noone in their right mind would argue otherwise. My point is that OK, Sutcliffe et al knew about this when they put pen to paper so either they got their sums wrong or they have mismanaged the running of the club. A bit a both I imagine.[/p][/quote]OK agreed the deal because it was the only way the Bulls could stay in Super League. And don't forget that the Bulls also had 6 points deducted which cost them a play off spot -how much was that worth financially? You are suggesting that the Club has been mismanaged and that OK -a very successful businessman can't do his sums. This is again a simplistic/immature way of arriving at your conclusion I would suggest. I notice that you omitted to include the lower than expected/hoped for attendances in your conclusion so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume the lower attendances are the reason for 'sums' being wrong? What would you have preferred Farsley, OK providing a life-line for the Bulls and risking a hell of a lot of his money for the sake of the fans and Bradford? or would you have preferred him to have let the Club go into liquidation and really start with a 'clean slate'?[/p][/quote]Lower than expected/hoped for attendances= over ambitous/unrealstic expectations for attendances. Ofcourse they were going to be lower. The season ticket prices for the previous 2 years have been far too low. Now they are properly priced, an inevitably poorer standard of rugby is on offer so unsurprisingly (to me at least) less people will sign up. See my earlier post as to why this is. The points deduction- known about when pen was put to paper. No surprise there. OK may be a successful businessman in other areas but sport is not a conventional business and he has probably not appreciated the complexities that it entails. Obviously he can't control what happens on the pitch and a playoff push/cup run could have provided a bit of much needed cash, but it would be foolish to factor this potential revenue into a budget. I should point out though that OK has done a very noble thing and deserves massive respect for putting his money on the line. Farsley Bantam
  • Score: 2

2:48pm Fri 2 Aug 13

Farsley Bantam says...

lonniejockstrap wrote:
Farsley Bantam wrote:
lonniejockstrap wrote:
Farsley Bantam wrote:
Hugh Balls wrote: Farsley Bantam, why do have to resort to name calling. I suggest that to compare the two teams is wrong. Both play different sports, the City in the third tier, yes, the Bulls play in the top tier, at their best they command the same amount of season ticket sales as you. Why the animosity, you spew out, is beyond me. These teams represent the City of Bradford. As such there is no reason for anyone to attack the clubs or supporters. I find those who do, they know who they are , are beneath contempt. We should be grateful for the fact, there are two pro teams in Bradford. We could have lost both. Also to accuse someone of being" mental " is just plain ignorant. Those that use insults, rumours, show that they have very little knowledge of what is actually going on with both clubs. The likes of TVOR, PCA, RHINOSHELF, COLLUS, etc. are a disgrace and bring nothing to any of the forums they post on. Why they persist is beyond me, obviously nothing better to do.
No animosity at all on my part. I've been down to Odsal many a time and consider myself a casual Bulls supporter. Perhaps the word 'mental' was not the right word to use. Total and utterly deluded would be more suitable to theviking62's comment. For some reason he thinks this cash injection is a panacea for all of Bulls' ills and was claiming some kind of victory over those of us that live in the real world, so I put him straight. When Bulls were at their peak during the Noble era they were averaging 14,000 supporters. If Bradford got back in the Premiership that stadium would be full to capacity every week, so 25,000 supporters. They are a much better supported club is my general point, with more loyal supporters. I really hope Bulls survive this but unlike some on here I am a realist.
What a very immature way of comparing the football team with the rugby team. Using your logic can you explain that same logic to Leeds United's attendances should they get into the premiership with the very successful Leeds Rhino's attendances in super league? I'm open to learning!
'Immature'? How do you work that one out? It's really quite simple Lonnie. People enjoy watching successful teams in any sport. The more successful a team the more people go and watch. If a team starts to decline then attendances correlate with this. It's a simple formula; Team winning lots = lots of fans Team losing lots = less fans Leeds Rhino's have been there or there abouts for the last few seasons so their attendances have remained at consistently high levels. Leeds United finished lower mid table in the Championship so average attendances were around the 20k. If and when they return to the PL then their attendances will be back up to the 35k mark (as they were when Leeds were last in the PL). Why? More people are prepared to pay to watch the likes of Manchester United and Chelsea than say Yeovil. I'm staggered that you need me to explain this basic concept Lonnie. I can draw a graph if that would help?
No you don't need to draw a graph you just need to explain why Leeds Rhino's are not getting 35000 at home. You are the one who believes football and rugby league is comparable as a spectator sport. So, no graphs, just explain why rhino's only get half the attendance that Leeds United get. I could ask you why the rhino's don't get the crowds Chelsea, Arsenal and Man U get but I think the penny should have dropped by now.
You've made quite a leap there Lonnie. My comment that they are a much better supported club is a perfectly valid one- just look at season ticket sales by way of a comparison. Or tell me the last time Valley Parade only had 7,900 in for a league match?
My point, and you know this, is that Bulls are doing relatively ok in the league yet their support has dwindled massively (disproportionately I would say)
Comparisons can be made between attendences in perceived good times and bad times and the rate of desertion.
[quote][p][bold]lonniejockstrap[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lonniejockstrap[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hugh Balls[/bold] wrote: Farsley Bantam, why do have to resort to name calling. I suggest that to compare the two teams is wrong. Both play different sports, the City in the third tier, yes, the Bulls play in the top tier, at their best they command the same amount of season ticket sales as you. Why the animosity, you spew out, is beyond me. These teams represent the City of Bradford. As such there is no reason for anyone to attack the clubs or supporters. I find those who do, they know who they are , are beneath contempt. We should be grateful for the fact, there are two pro teams in Bradford. We could have lost both. Also to accuse someone of being" mental " is just plain ignorant. Those that use insults, rumours, show that they have very little knowledge of what is actually going on with both clubs. The likes of TVOR, PCA, RHINOSHELF, COLLUS, etc. are a disgrace and bring nothing to any of the forums they post on. Why they persist is beyond me, obviously nothing better to do.[/p][/quote]No animosity at all on my part. I've been down to Odsal many a time and consider myself a casual Bulls supporter. Perhaps the word 'mental' was not the right word to use. Total and utterly deluded would be more suitable to theviking62's comment. For some reason he thinks this cash injection is a panacea for all of Bulls' ills and was claiming some kind of victory over those of us that live in the real world, so I put him straight. When Bulls were at their peak during the Noble era they were averaging 14,000 supporters. If Bradford got back in the Premiership that stadium would be full to capacity every week, so 25,000 supporters. They are a much better supported club is my general point, with more loyal supporters. I really hope Bulls survive this but unlike some on here I am a realist.[/p][/quote]What a very immature way of comparing the football team with the rugby team. Using your logic can you explain that same logic to Leeds United's attendances should they get into the premiership with the very successful Leeds Rhino's attendances in super league? I'm open to learning![/p][/quote]'Immature'? How do you work that one out? It's really quite simple Lonnie. People enjoy watching successful teams in any sport. The more successful a team the more people go and watch. If a team starts to decline then attendances correlate with this. It's a simple formula; Team winning lots = lots of fans Team losing lots = less fans Leeds Rhino's have been there or there abouts for the last few seasons so their attendances have remained at consistently high levels. Leeds United finished lower mid table in the Championship so average attendances were around the 20k. If and when they return to the PL then their attendances will be back up to the 35k mark (as they were when Leeds were last in the PL). Why? More people are prepared to pay to watch the likes of Manchester United and Chelsea than say Yeovil. I'm staggered that you need me to explain this basic concept Lonnie. I can draw a graph if that would help?[/p][/quote]No you don't need to draw a graph you just need to explain why Leeds Rhino's are not getting 35000 at home. You are the one who believes football and rugby league is comparable as a spectator sport. So, no graphs, just explain why rhino's only get half the attendance that Leeds United get. I could ask you why the rhino's don't get the crowds Chelsea, Arsenal and Man U get but I think the penny should have dropped by now.[/p][/quote]You've made quite a leap there Lonnie. My comment that they are a much better supported club is a perfectly valid one- just look at season ticket sales by way of a comparison. Or tell me the last time Valley Parade only had 7,900 in for a league match? My point, and you know this, is that Bulls are doing relatively ok in the league yet their support has dwindled massively (disproportionately I would say) Comparisons can be made between attendences in perceived good times and bad times and the rate of desertion. Farsley Bantam
  • Score: 4

3:15pm Fri 2 Aug 13

tinytoonster says...

Samsung bull wrote:
Crowds are down at all super league clubs and when you only have one home game it doesn't help and then you have parasite clubs like HIddersfield tapping up a player illegally and then taking part of your sky money which should have been distributed to the grass routes of the game, the. Again what do you expect from a club who are top but have 5,000 fans, that's right top flaming top
Iestyn Harris ring a bell?
its not hudders fault bulls fans are fickle and only want to watch when they are winning.
well done mr khan but if fans wont put up whats the point?
and before i get shot down of course i want the bulls to survive and be successful.
its just some of the so called fans on here need to wake up and see its a bad situation.
[quote][p][bold]Samsung bull[/bold] wrote: Crowds are down at all super league clubs and when you only have one home game it doesn't help and then you have parasite clubs like HIddersfield tapping up a player illegally and then taking part of your sky money which should have been distributed to the grass routes of the game, the. Again what do you expect from a club who are top but have 5,000 fans, that's right top flaming top[/p][/quote]Iestyn Harris ring a bell? its not hudders fault bulls fans are fickle and only want to watch when they are winning. well done mr khan but if fans wont put up whats the point? and before i get shot down of course i want the bulls to survive and be successful. its just some of the so called fans on here need to wake up and see its a bad situation. tinytoonster
  • Score: 2

3:28pm Fri 2 Aug 13

Parz says...

Farsley Bantam wrote:
lonniejockstrap wrote:
Farsley Bantam wrote:
lonniejockstrap wrote:
Farsley Bantam wrote:
Hugh Balls wrote: Farsley Bantam, why do have to resort to name calling. I suggest that to compare the two teams is wrong. Both play different sports, the City in the third tier, yes, the Bulls play in the top tier, at their best they command the same amount of season ticket sales as you. Why the animosity, you spew out, is beyond me. These teams represent the City of Bradford. As such there is no reason for anyone to attack the clubs or supporters. I find those who do, they know who they are , are beneath contempt. We should be grateful for the fact, there are two pro teams in Bradford. We could have lost both. Also to accuse someone of being" mental " is just plain ignorant. Those that use insults, rumours, show that they have very little knowledge of what is actually going on with both clubs. The likes of TVOR, PCA, RHINOSHELF, COLLUS, etc. are a disgrace and bring nothing to any of the forums they post on. Why they persist is beyond me, obviously nothing better to do.
No animosity at all on my part. I've been down to Odsal many a time and consider myself a casual Bulls supporter. Perhaps the word 'mental' was not the right word to use. Total and utterly deluded would be more suitable to theviking62's comment. For some reason he thinks this cash injection is a panacea for all of Bulls' ills and was claiming some kind of victory over those of us that live in the real world, so I put him straight. When Bulls were at their peak during the Noble era they were averaging 14,000 supporters. If Bradford got back in the Premiership that stadium would be full to capacity every week, so 25,000 supporters. They are a much better supported club is my general point, with more loyal supporters. I really hope Bulls survive this but unlike some on here I am a realist.
What a very immature way of comparing the football team with the rugby team. Using your logic can you explain that same logic to Leeds United's attendances should they get into the premiership with the very successful Leeds Rhino's attendances in super league? I'm open to learning!
'Immature'? How do you work that one out? It's really quite simple Lonnie. People enjoy watching successful teams in any sport. The more successful a team the more people go and watch. If a team starts to decline then attendances correlate with this. It's a simple formula; Team winning lots = lots of fans Team losing lots = less fans Leeds Rhino's have been there or there abouts for the last few seasons so their attendances have remained at consistently high levels. Leeds United finished lower mid table in the Championship so average attendances were around the 20k. If and when they return to the PL then their attendances will be back up to the 35k mark (as they were when Leeds were last in the PL). Why? More people are prepared to pay to watch the likes of Manchester United and Chelsea than say Yeovil. I'm staggered that you need me to explain this basic concept Lonnie. I can draw a graph if that would help?
No you don't need to draw a graph you just need to explain why Leeds Rhino's are not getting 35000 at home. You are the one who believes football and rugby league is comparable as a spectator sport. So, no graphs, just explain why rhino's only get half the attendance that Leeds United get. I could ask you why the rhino's don't get the crowds Chelsea, Arsenal and Man U get but I think the penny should have dropped by now.
You've made quite a leap there Lonnie. My comment that they are a much better supported club is a perfectly valid one- just look at season ticket sales by way of a comparison. Or tell me the last time Valley Parade only had 7,900 in for a league match? My point, and you know this, is that Bulls are doing relatively ok in the league yet their support has dwindled massively (disproportionately I would say) Comparisons can be made between attendences in perceived good times and bad times and the rate of desertion.
The thing that makes the attendances so hard to compare is that Football is a far more well supported sport as a whole than Rugby League. I’d wager that in Bradford, the %age of Rugby fan’s that are Bulls fans is more than the %age of Football fans that are City fans, but those are stats you’re never going to get and that’s just my opinion. So with sheer weight of numbers of the supporters of the sport, it doesn’t surprise me that City have more season ticket holders than the Bulls with the two teams situations at the moment.

We do need more people to start turning up and spending money in the stadium again though. It’s going to be hard going if we have to put up with the reduced crowd number we’ve had all year. It would be handy if people actually bought their away tickets in from the club too, rather than paying on the gates at the other team’s grounds. It might only be a small amount from each ticket, but it’s better than nothing.

On the actual story, Omar Khan, what a legend. Onwards and upwards now.
[quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lonniejockstrap[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lonniejockstrap[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hugh Balls[/bold] wrote: Farsley Bantam, why do have to resort to name calling. I suggest that to compare the two teams is wrong. Both play different sports, the City in the third tier, yes, the Bulls play in the top tier, at their best they command the same amount of season ticket sales as you. Why the animosity, you spew out, is beyond me. These teams represent the City of Bradford. As such there is no reason for anyone to attack the clubs or supporters. I find those who do, they know who they are , are beneath contempt. We should be grateful for the fact, there are two pro teams in Bradford. We could have lost both. Also to accuse someone of being" mental " is just plain ignorant. Those that use insults, rumours, show that they have very little knowledge of what is actually going on with both clubs. The likes of TVOR, PCA, RHINOSHELF, COLLUS, etc. are a disgrace and bring nothing to any of the forums they post on. Why they persist is beyond me, obviously nothing better to do.[/p][/quote]No animosity at all on my part. I've been down to Odsal many a time and consider myself a casual Bulls supporter. Perhaps the word 'mental' was not the right word to use. Total and utterly deluded would be more suitable to theviking62's comment. For some reason he thinks this cash injection is a panacea for all of Bulls' ills and was claiming some kind of victory over those of us that live in the real world, so I put him straight. When Bulls were at their peak during the Noble era they were averaging 14,000 supporters. If Bradford got back in the Premiership that stadium would be full to capacity every week, so 25,000 supporters. They are a much better supported club is my general point, with more loyal supporters. I really hope Bulls survive this but unlike some on here I am a realist.[/p][/quote]What a very immature way of comparing the football team with the rugby team. Using your logic can you explain that same logic to Leeds United's attendances should they get into the premiership with the very successful Leeds Rhino's attendances in super league? I'm open to learning![/p][/quote]'Immature'? How do you work that one out? It's really quite simple Lonnie. People enjoy watching successful teams in any sport. The more successful a team the more people go and watch. If a team starts to decline then attendances correlate with this. It's a simple formula; Team winning lots = lots of fans Team losing lots = less fans Leeds Rhino's have been there or there abouts for the last few seasons so their attendances have remained at consistently high levels. Leeds United finished lower mid table in the Championship so average attendances were around the 20k. If and when they return to the PL then their attendances will be back up to the 35k mark (as they were when Leeds were last in the PL). Why? More people are prepared to pay to watch the likes of Manchester United and Chelsea than say Yeovil. I'm staggered that you need me to explain this basic concept Lonnie. I can draw a graph if that would help?[/p][/quote]No you don't need to draw a graph you just need to explain why Leeds Rhino's are not getting 35000 at home. You are the one who believes football and rugby league is comparable as a spectator sport. So, no graphs, just explain why rhino's only get half the attendance that Leeds United get. I could ask you why the rhino's don't get the crowds Chelsea, Arsenal and Man U get but I think the penny should have dropped by now.[/p][/quote]You've made quite a leap there Lonnie. My comment that they are a much better supported club is a perfectly valid one- just look at season ticket sales by way of a comparison. Or tell me the last time Valley Parade only had 7,900 in for a league match? My point, and you know this, is that Bulls are doing relatively ok in the league yet their support has dwindled massively (disproportionately I would say) Comparisons can be made between attendences in perceived good times and bad times and the rate of desertion.[/p][/quote]The thing that makes the attendances so hard to compare is that Football is a far more well supported sport as a whole than Rugby League. I’d wager that in Bradford, the %age of Rugby fan’s that are Bulls fans is more than the %age of Football fans that are City fans, but those are stats you’re never going to get and that’s just my opinion. So with sheer weight of numbers of the supporters of the sport, it doesn’t surprise me that City have more season ticket holders than the Bulls with the two teams situations at the moment. We do need more people to start turning up and spending money in the stadium again though. It’s going to be hard going if we have to put up with the reduced crowd number we’ve had all year. It would be handy if people actually bought their away tickets in from the club too, rather than paying on the gates at the other team’s grounds. It might only be a small amount from each ticket, but it’s better than nothing. On the actual story, Omar Khan, what a legend. Onwards and upwards now. Parz
  • Score: -2

3:40pm Fri 2 Aug 13

lonniejockstrap says...

Farsley Bantam wrote:
lonniejockstrap wrote:
Farsley Bantam wrote:
lonniejockstrap wrote:
Farsley Bantam wrote:
Hugh Balls wrote: Farsley Bantam, why do have to resort to name calling. I suggest that to compare the two teams is wrong. Both play different sports, the City in the third tier, yes, the Bulls play in the top tier, at their best they command the same amount of season ticket sales as you. Why the animosity, you spew out, is beyond me. These teams represent the City of Bradford. As such there is no reason for anyone to attack the clubs or supporters. I find those who do, they know who they are , are beneath contempt. We should be grateful for the fact, there are two pro teams in Bradford. We could have lost both. Also to accuse someone of being" mental " is just plain ignorant. Those that use insults, rumours, show that they have very little knowledge of what is actually going on with both clubs. The likes of TVOR, PCA, RHINOSHELF, COLLUS, etc. are a disgrace and bring nothing to any of the forums they post on. Why they persist is beyond me, obviously nothing better to do.
No animosity at all on my part. I've been down to Odsal many a time and consider myself a casual Bulls supporter. Perhaps the word 'mental' was not the right word to use. Total and utterly deluded would be more suitable to theviking62's comment. For some reason he thinks this cash injection is a panacea for all of Bulls' ills and was claiming some kind of victory over those of us that live in the real world, so I put him straight. When Bulls were at their peak during the Noble era they were averaging 14,000 supporters. If Bradford got back in the Premiership that stadium would be full to capacity every week, so 25,000 supporters. They are a much better supported club is my general point, with more loyal supporters. I really hope Bulls survive this but unlike some on here I am a realist.
What a very immature way of comparing the football team with the rugby team. Using your logic can you explain that same logic to Leeds United's attendances should they get into the premiership with the very successful Leeds Rhino's attendances in super league? I'm open to learning!
'Immature'? How do you work that one out? It's really quite simple Lonnie. People enjoy watching successful teams in any sport. The more successful a team the more people go and watch. If a team starts to decline then attendances correlate with this. It's a simple formula; Team winning lots = lots of fans Team losing lots = less fans Leeds Rhino's have been there or there abouts for the last few seasons so their attendances have remained at consistently high levels. Leeds United finished lower mid table in the Championship so average attendances were around the 20k. If and when they return to the PL then their attendances will be back up to the 35k mark (as they were when Leeds were last in the PL). Why? More people are prepared to pay to watch the likes of Manchester United and Chelsea than say Yeovil. I'm staggered that you need me to explain this basic concept Lonnie. I can draw a graph if that would help?
No you don't need to draw a graph you just need to explain why Leeds Rhino's are not getting 35000 at home. You are the one who believes football and rugby league is comparable as a spectator sport. So, no graphs, just explain why rhino's only get half the attendance that Leeds United get. I could ask you why the rhino's don't get the crowds Chelsea, Arsenal and Man U get but I think the penny should have dropped by now.
You've made quite a leap there Lonnie. My comment that they are a much better supported club is a perfectly valid one- just look at season ticket sales by way of a comparison. Or tell me the last time Valley Parade only had 7,900 in for a league match?
My point, and you know this, is that Bulls are doing relatively ok in the league yet their support has dwindled massively (disproportionately I would say)
Comparisons can be made between attendences in perceived good times and bad times and the rate of desertion.
I haven't made any 'leap' that I am aware of. You were comparing football attendances, Bradford City's, with the Bull's Rugby League attendances. It's there in black and white! I am using your 'logic' in comparing top flight football with top flight rugby and, using the two professional teams in Leeds, asking you why there is such a massive difference in attendance figures if you are failing to acknowledge the obvious limitations (to most people I would suggest) that rugby league has regarding potential support when compared to football. I take it you want a way out of your predicament? And maybe you now realise you are guilty of similar sort of human fallibilities that you perceive have been made by others and appear eager to highlight?

Yes we can agree that the support has dwindled to lower levels than probably anyone expected. But couldn't that be one of the reasons why OK has been having to deal with a worse than anticipated financial situation. If you had come on here at the start of the season and said there was going to be such a drop in support -after all the good will shown and expressed during the buy-out by OK- then I would have had more sympathy with your claims that OK can't do his sums or he has mismanaged. But I don't think you saw this anymore than OK did you? Contracts regarding wages still have to be paid even when the attendances drop off.The situation has been made worse by supporters not turning up and doing their bit, -attendance wise- OK is doing his bit. Why should OK be criticised for not seeing what nobody else could see either? The Bulls average crowd for 2012 was 11761, if you are going to be a couple of thousand a game down on that figure then of course the sums are not going to add up.
[quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lonniejockstrap[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lonniejockstrap[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hugh Balls[/bold] wrote: Farsley Bantam, why do have to resort to name calling. I suggest that to compare the two teams is wrong. Both play different sports, the City in the third tier, yes, the Bulls play in the top tier, at their best they command the same amount of season ticket sales as you. Why the animosity, you spew out, is beyond me. These teams represent the City of Bradford. As such there is no reason for anyone to attack the clubs or supporters. I find those who do, they know who they are , are beneath contempt. We should be grateful for the fact, there are two pro teams in Bradford. We could have lost both. Also to accuse someone of being" mental " is just plain ignorant. Those that use insults, rumours, show that they have very little knowledge of what is actually going on with both clubs. The likes of TVOR, PCA, RHINOSHELF, COLLUS, etc. are a disgrace and bring nothing to any of the forums they post on. Why they persist is beyond me, obviously nothing better to do.[/p][/quote]No animosity at all on my part. I've been down to Odsal many a time and consider myself a casual Bulls supporter. Perhaps the word 'mental' was not the right word to use. Total and utterly deluded would be more suitable to theviking62's comment. For some reason he thinks this cash injection is a panacea for all of Bulls' ills and was claiming some kind of victory over those of us that live in the real world, so I put him straight. When Bulls were at their peak during the Noble era they were averaging 14,000 supporters. If Bradford got back in the Premiership that stadium would be full to capacity every week, so 25,000 supporters. They are a much better supported club is my general point, with more loyal supporters. I really hope Bulls survive this but unlike some on here I am a realist.[/p][/quote]What a very immature way of comparing the football team with the rugby team. Using your logic can you explain that same logic to Leeds United's attendances should they get into the premiership with the very successful Leeds Rhino's attendances in super league? I'm open to learning![/p][/quote]'Immature'? How do you work that one out? It's really quite simple Lonnie. People enjoy watching successful teams in any sport. The more successful a team the more people go and watch. If a team starts to decline then attendances correlate with this. It's a simple formula; Team winning lots = lots of fans Team losing lots = less fans Leeds Rhino's have been there or there abouts for the last few seasons so their attendances have remained at consistently high levels. Leeds United finished lower mid table in the Championship so average attendances were around the 20k. If and when they return to the PL then their attendances will be back up to the 35k mark (as they were when Leeds were last in the PL). Why? More people are prepared to pay to watch the likes of Manchester United and Chelsea than say Yeovil. I'm staggered that you need me to explain this basic concept Lonnie. I can draw a graph if that would help?[/p][/quote]No you don't need to draw a graph you just need to explain why Leeds Rhino's are not getting 35000 at home. You are the one who believes football and rugby league is comparable as a spectator sport. So, no graphs, just explain why rhino's only get half the attendance that Leeds United get. I could ask you why the rhino's don't get the crowds Chelsea, Arsenal and Man U get but I think the penny should have dropped by now.[/p][/quote]You've made quite a leap there Lonnie. My comment that they are a much better supported club is a perfectly valid one- just look at season ticket sales by way of a comparison. Or tell me the last time Valley Parade only had 7,900 in for a league match? My point, and you know this, is that Bulls are doing relatively ok in the league yet their support has dwindled massively (disproportionately I would say) Comparisons can be made between attendences in perceived good times and bad times and the rate of desertion.[/p][/quote]I haven't made any 'leap' that I am aware of. You were comparing football attendances, Bradford City's, with the Bull's Rugby League attendances. It's there in black and white! I am using your 'logic' in comparing top flight football with top flight rugby and, using the two professional teams in Leeds, asking you why there is such a massive difference in attendance figures if you are failing to acknowledge the obvious limitations (to most people I would suggest) that rugby league has regarding potential support when compared to football. I take it you want a way out of your predicament? And maybe you now realise you are guilty of similar sort of human fallibilities that you perceive have been made by others and appear eager to highlight? Yes we can agree that the support has dwindled to lower levels than probably anyone expected. But couldn't that be one of the reasons why OK has been having to deal with a worse than anticipated financial situation. If you had come on here at the start of the season and said there was going to be such a drop in support -after all the good will shown and expressed during the buy-out by OK- then I would have had more sympathy with your claims that OK can't do his sums or he has mismanaged. But I don't think you saw this anymore than OK did you? Contracts regarding wages still have to be paid even when the attendances drop off.The situation has been made worse by supporters not turning up and doing their bit, -attendance wise- OK is doing his bit. Why should OK be criticised for not seeing what nobody else could see either? The Bulls average crowd for 2012 was 11761, if you are going to be a couple of thousand a game down on that figure then of course the sums are not going to add up. lonniejockstrap
  • Score: 0

3:49pm Fri 2 Aug 13

Farsley Bantam says...

Parz wrote:
Farsley Bantam wrote:
lonniejockstrap wrote:
Farsley Bantam wrote:
lonniejockstrap wrote:
Farsley Bantam wrote:
Hugh Balls wrote: Farsley Bantam, why do have to resort to name calling. I suggest that to compare the two teams is wrong. Both play different sports, the City in the third tier, yes, the Bulls play in the top tier, at their best they command the same amount of season ticket sales as you. Why the animosity, you spew out, is beyond me. These teams represent the City of Bradford. As such there is no reason for anyone to attack the clubs or supporters. I find those who do, they know who they are , are beneath contempt. We should be grateful for the fact, there are two pro teams in Bradford. We could have lost both. Also to accuse someone of being" mental " is just plain ignorant. Those that use insults, rumours, show that they have very little knowledge of what is actually going on with both clubs. The likes of TVOR, PCA, RHINOSHELF, COLLUS, etc. are a disgrace and bring nothing to any of the forums they post on. Why they persist is beyond me, obviously nothing better to do.
No animosity at all on my part. I've been down to Odsal many a time and consider myself a casual Bulls supporter. Perhaps the word 'mental' was not the right word to use. Total and utterly deluded would be more suitable to theviking62's comment. For some reason he thinks this cash injection is a panacea for all of Bulls' ills and was claiming some kind of victory over those of us that live in the real world, so I put him straight. When Bulls were at their peak during the Noble era they were averaging 14,000 supporters. If Bradford got back in the Premiership that stadium would be full to capacity every week, so 25,000 supporters. They are a much better supported club is my general point, with more loyal supporters. I really hope Bulls survive this but unlike some on here I am a realist.
What a very immature way of comparing the football team with the rugby team. Using your logic can you explain that same logic to Leeds United's attendances should they get into the premiership with the very successful Leeds Rhino's attendances in super league? I'm open to learning!
'Immature'? How do you work that one out? It's really quite simple Lonnie. People enjoy watching successful teams in any sport. The more successful a team the more people go and watch. If a team starts to decline then attendances correlate with this. It's a simple formula; Team winning lots = lots of fans Team losing lots = less fans Leeds Rhino's have been there or there abouts for the last few seasons so their attendances have remained at consistently high levels. Leeds United finished lower mid table in the Championship so average attendances were around the 20k. If and when they return to the PL then their attendances will be back up to the 35k mark (as they were when Leeds were last in the PL). Why? More people are prepared to pay to watch the likes of Manchester United and Chelsea than say Yeovil. I'm staggered that you need me to explain this basic concept Lonnie. I can draw a graph if that would help?
No you don't need to draw a graph you just need to explain why Leeds Rhino's are not getting 35000 at home. You are the one who believes football and rugby league is comparable as a spectator sport. So, no graphs, just explain why rhino's only get half the attendance that Leeds United get. I could ask you why the rhino's don't get the crowds Chelsea, Arsenal and Man U get but I think the penny should have dropped by now.
You've made quite a leap there Lonnie. My comment that they are a much better supported club is a perfectly valid one- just look at season ticket sales by way of a comparison. Or tell me the last time Valley Parade only had 7,900 in for a league match? My point, and you know this, is that Bulls are doing relatively ok in the league yet their support has dwindled massively (disproportionately I would say) Comparisons can be made between attendences in perceived good times and bad times and the rate of desertion.
The thing that makes the attendances so hard to compare is that Football is a far more well supported sport as a whole than Rugby League. I’d wager that in Bradford, the %age of Rugby fan’s that are Bulls fans is more than the %age of Football fans that are City fans, but those are stats you’re never going to get and that’s just my opinion. So with sheer weight of numbers of the supporters of the sport, it doesn’t surprise me that City have more season ticket holders than the Bulls with the two teams situations at the moment. We do need more people to start turning up and spending money in the stadium again though. It’s going to be hard going if we have to put up with the reduced crowd number we’ve had all year. It would be handy if people actually bought their away tickets in from the club too, rather than paying on the gates at the other team’s grounds. It might only be a small amount from each ticket, but it’s better than nothing. On the actual story, Omar Khan, what a legend. Onwards and upwards now.
Largely agree with that.

I've met Omar Khan on a couple of occasions and he seems like a top bloke. I was in his restaurant (which is excellent by the way) and he came over and talked with us for about 10 minutes before guiding me in the direction of the entrance. On the wall were about 10-15 photos of OK with celebrities like Prince Naseem Hammed and Bollywood stars which he was immensely proud of. He then pointed to one of them and said , in a really dramatic, excitable way 'This man is more powerful than all the gods of Rome!' It was Mervyn King
[quote][p][bold]Parz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lonniejockstrap[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lonniejockstrap[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hugh Balls[/bold] wrote: Farsley Bantam, why do have to resort to name calling. I suggest that to compare the two teams is wrong. Both play different sports, the City in the third tier, yes, the Bulls play in the top tier, at their best they command the same amount of season ticket sales as you. Why the animosity, you spew out, is beyond me. These teams represent the City of Bradford. As such there is no reason for anyone to attack the clubs or supporters. I find those who do, they know who they are , are beneath contempt. We should be grateful for the fact, there are two pro teams in Bradford. We could have lost both. Also to accuse someone of being" mental " is just plain ignorant. Those that use insults, rumours, show that they have very little knowledge of what is actually going on with both clubs. The likes of TVOR, PCA, RHINOSHELF, COLLUS, etc. are a disgrace and bring nothing to any of the forums they post on. Why they persist is beyond me, obviously nothing better to do.[/p][/quote]No animosity at all on my part. I've been down to Odsal many a time and consider myself a casual Bulls supporter. Perhaps the word 'mental' was not the right word to use. Total and utterly deluded would be more suitable to theviking62's comment. For some reason he thinks this cash injection is a panacea for all of Bulls' ills and was claiming some kind of victory over those of us that live in the real world, so I put him straight. When Bulls were at their peak during the Noble era they were averaging 14,000 supporters. If Bradford got back in the Premiership that stadium would be full to capacity every week, so 25,000 supporters. They are a much better supported club is my general point, with more loyal supporters. I really hope Bulls survive this but unlike some on here I am a realist.[/p][/quote]What a very immature way of comparing the football team with the rugby team. Using your logic can you explain that same logic to Leeds United's attendances should they get into the premiership with the very successful Leeds Rhino's attendances in super league? I'm open to learning![/p][/quote]'Immature'? How do you work that one out? It's really quite simple Lonnie. People enjoy watching successful teams in any sport. The more successful a team the more people go and watch. If a team starts to decline then attendances correlate with this. It's a simple formula; Team winning lots = lots of fans Team losing lots = less fans Leeds Rhino's have been there or there abouts for the last few seasons so their attendances have remained at consistently high levels. Leeds United finished lower mid table in the Championship so average attendances were around the 20k. If and when they return to the PL then their attendances will be back up to the 35k mark (as they were when Leeds were last in the PL). Why? More people are prepared to pay to watch the likes of Manchester United and Chelsea than say Yeovil. I'm staggered that you need me to explain this basic concept Lonnie. I can draw a graph if that would help?[/p][/quote]No you don't need to draw a graph you just need to explain why Leeds Rhino's are not getting 35000 at home. You are the one who believes football and rugby league is comparable as a spectator sport. So, no graphs, just explain why rhino's only get half the attendance that Leeds United get. I could ask you why the rhino's don't get the crowds Chelsea, Arsenal and Man U get but I think the penny should have dropped by now.[/p][/quote]You've made quite a leap there Lonnie. My comment that they are a much better supported club is a perfectly valid one- just look at season ticket sales by way of a comparison. Or tell me the last time Valley Parade only had 7,900 in for a league match? My point, and you know this, is that Bulls are doing relatively ok in the league yet their support has dwindled massively (disproportionately I would say) Comparisons can be made between attendences in perceived good times and bad times and the rate of desertion.[/p][/quote]The thing that makes the attendances so hard to compare is that Football is a far more well supported sport as a whole than Rugby League. I’d wager that in Bradford, the %age of Rugby fan’s that are Bulls fans is more than the %age of Football fans that are City fans, but those are stats you’re never going to get and that’s just my opinion. So with sheer weight of numbers of the supporters of the sport, it doesn’t surprise me that City have more season ticket holders than the Bulls with the two teams situations at the moment. We do need more people to start turning up and spending money in the stadium again though. It’s going to be hard going if we have to put up with the reduced crowd number we’ve had all year. It would be handy if people actually bought their away tickets in from the club too, rather than paying on the gates at the other team’s grounds. It might only be a small amount from each ticket, but it’s better than nothing. On the actual story, Omar Khan, what a legend. Onwards and upwards now.[/p][/quote]Largely agree with that. I've met Omar Khan on a couple of occasions and he seems like a top bloke. I was in his restaurant (which is excellent by the way) and he came over and talked with us for about 10 minutes before guiding me in the direction of the entrance. On the wall were about 10-15 photos of OK with celebrities like Prince Naseem Hammed and Bollywood stars which he was immensely proud of. He then pointed to one of them and said , in a really dramatic, excitable way 'This man is more powerful than all the gods of Rome!' It was Mervyn King Farsley Bantam
  • Score: -1

3:52pm Fri 2 Aug 13

Big_Biscuit says...

Incredible. I give them 12 months max.
Incredible. I give them 12 months max. Big_Biscuit
  • Score: 0

3:59pm Fri 2 Aug 13

lonniejockstrap says...

Farsley Bantam wrote:
lonniejockstrap wrote:
Farsley Bantam wrote:
lonniejockstrap wrote:
Farsley Bantam wrote:
lonniejockstrap wrote:
Farsley Bantam wrote:
theviking62 wrote: TVOR, PCA, RHINOSHELF, COLLUS, PABLO, we done beat you boys good. Aah but what's that I hear fighting for a place under the rock boys. Would you care to make an apology, for ALL the poorly informed statements you made. From one Bradfordian to another, thanks OK for investing in the future of our great club. Not only is this an investment in the Bulls, it is an investment in the City of Bradford. Onwards and Upwards. COYB
Are you mentally ill? How have you 'won'? This investment is like putting a plaster on a gaping wound. It'll stop the bleeding but it won't solve the problem. When it runs out (in about 2/3 months time) then what? Khan can't keep raiding his piggy bank to subsidise this trainwreck.
Have you got any suggestions as to solving the present attempts to turn around the Bulls misfortune -brought about by other people NOT Mr Khan? Would you have wished that Julian Rhodes had had the same defeatist attitude with the Bantams as you appear to have with the future of the Bulls? A lot can happen over the next season or two but the Bulls have to be in existence for them to have a chance of turning things around. OK has provided a bit of breathing space. Why can't you see any positive in that?
Ofcourse I can see the positive in it. As you say it gives them some breathing space and a fighting chance which is undoubtably a good thing. My comment was in response to theviking's premature celebrations. He seems to think thats the end of it now when anyone can see that there is more trouble lurking round the corner. The club was only saved a year ago and so started with a clean slate and already financial problems have occured. Its clearly a combination of financial mismanagement and an unsustainable business model. Fans turning up in droves will help turn around their fortunes but how they do this I don't know. I have spoken to several people who used to be season ticket holders but now don't go at all, because they don't want to watch mid table mediocrity. What sort of fans are they? Only 7,900 turned up for the last home game.
If you believe the Bulls 'started with a clean slate' then I think you need to do some research into what OK has had to agree with giving up as regards monies from the the RFL. Posters on here, including you, are making the point of how important finance is to the Bulls and that OK can only put his hand in his pocket for so long. Well, I agree. Now tell me how the much the Bulls AND OK have had denied them in finances over this and next season. Then tell me whether you think that amount of money being shared out among the Bulls competitors is making competing against them easier or more difficult for the Bulls.
When i say 'clean slate' I mean the old debt was wiped. As you say when he signed up he had to waive a load of RFL cash so obviously this makes things harder for the Bulls, noone in their right mind would argue otherwise. My point is that OK, Sutcliffe et al knew about this when they put pen to paper so either they got their sums wrong or they have mismanaged the running of the club. A bit a both I imagine.
OK agreed the deal because it was the only way the Bulls could stay in Super League. And don't forget that the Bulls also had 6 points deducted which cost them a play off spot -how much was that worth financially? You are suggesting that the Club has been mismanaged and that OK -a very successful businessman can't do his sums. This is again a simplistic/immature way of arriving at your conclusion I would suggest. I notice that you omitted to include the lower than expected/hoped for attendances in your conclusion so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume the lower attendances are the reason for 'sums' being wrong? What would you have preferred Farsley, OK providing a life-line for the Bulls and risking a hell of a lot of his money for the sake of the fans and Bradford? or would you have preferred him to have let the Club go into liquidation and really start with a 'clean slate'?
Lower than expected/hoped for attendances= over ambitous/unrealstic expectations for attendances. Ofcourse they were going to be lower. The season ticket prices for the previous 2 years have been far too low. Now they are properly priced, an inevitably poorer standard of rugby is on offer so unsurprisingly (to me at least) less people will sign up. See my earlier post as to why this is.
The points deduction- known about when pen was put to paper. No surprise there.
OK may be a successful businessman in other areas but sport is not a conventional business and he has probably not appreciated the complexities that it entails. Obviously he can't control what happens on the pitch and a playoff push/cup run could have provided a bit of much needed cash, but it would be foolish to factor this potential revenue into a budget.
I should point out though that OK has done a very noble thing and deserves massive respect for putting his money on the line.
By the way, I am not sure how lower attendances based on higher priced season tickets would result in less money coming into the Club. I genuinely would welcome your input re the difference in income from 2012 to 2013 regarding the higher prices resulting in lower attendances -if this is in fact the case. I notice the first home attendance was 10,424 and the second home attendance dropped to 7,724!
[quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lonniejockstrap[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lonniejockstrap[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lonniejockstrap[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]theviking62[/bold] wrote: TVOR, PCA, RHINOSHELF, COLLUS, PABLO, we done beat you boys good. Aah but what's that I hear fighting for a place under the rock boys. Would you care to make an apology, for ALL the poorly informed statements you made. From one Bradfordian to another, thanks OK for investing in the future of our great club. Not only is this an investment in the Bulls, it is an investment in the City of Bradford. Onwards and Upwards. COYB[/p][/quote]Are you mentally ill? How have you 'won'? This investment is like putting a plaster on a gaping wound. It'll stop the bleeding but it won't solve the problem. When it runs out (in about 2/3 months time) then what? Khan can't keep raiding his piggy bank to subsidise this trainwreck.[/p][/quote]Have you got any suggestions as to solving the present attempts to turn around the Bulls misfortune -brought about by other people NOT Mr Khan? Would you have wished that Julian Rhodes had had the same defeatist attitude with the Bantams as you appear to have with the future of the Bulls? A lot can happen over the next season or two but the Bulls have to be in existence for them to have a chance of turning things around. OK has provided a bit of breathing space. Why can't you see any positive in that?[/p][/quote]Ofcourse I can see the positive in it. As you say it gives them some breathing space and a fighting chance which is undoubtably a good thing. My comment was in response to theviking's premature celebrations. He seems to think thats the end of it now when anyone can see that there is more trouble lurking round the corner. The club was only saved a year ago and so started with a clean slate and already financial problems have occured. Its clearly a combination of financial mismanagement and an unsustainable business model. Fans turning up in droves will help turn around their fortunes but how they do this I don't know. I have spoken to several people who used to be season ticket holders but now don't go at all, because they don't want to watch mid table mediocrity. What sort of fans are they? Only 7,900 turned up for the last home game.[/p][/quote]If you believe the Bulls 'started with a clean slate' then I think you need to do some research into what OK has had to agree with giving up as regards monies from the the RFL. Posters on here, including you, are making the point of how important finance is to the Bulls and that OK can only put his hand in his pocket for so long. Well, I agree. Now tell me how the much the Bulls AND OK have had denied them in finances over this and next season. Then tell me whether you think that amount of money being shared out among the Bulls competitors is making competing against them easier or more difficult for the Bulls.[/p][/quote]When i say 'clean slate' I mean the old debt was wiped. As you say when he signed up he had to waive a load of RFL cash so obviously this makes things harder for the Bulls, noone in their right mind would argue otherwise. My point is that OK, Sutcliffe et al knew about this when they put pen to paper so either they got their sums wrong or they have mismanaged the running of the club. A bit a both I imagine.[/p][/quote]OK agreed the deal because it was the only way the Bulls could stay in Super League. And don't forget that the Bulls also had 6 points deducted which cost them a play off spot -how much was that worth financially? You are suggesting that the Club has been mismanaged and that OK -a very successful businessman can't do his sums. This is again a simplistic/immature way of arriving at your conclusion I would suggest. I notice that you omitted to include the lower than expected/hoped for attendances in your conclusion so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume the lower attendances are the reason for 'sums' being wrong? What would you have preferred Farsley, OK providing a life-line for the Bulls and risking a hell of a lot of his money for the sake of the fans and Bradford? or would you have preferred him to have let the Club go into liquidation and really start with a 'clean slate'?[/p][/quote]Lower than expected/hoped for attendances= over ambitous/unrealstic expectations for attendances. Ofcourse they were going to be lower. The season ticket prices for the previous 2 years have been far too low. Now they are properly priced, an inevitably poorer standard of rugby is on offer so unsurprisingly (to me at least) less people will sign up. See my earlier post as to why this is. The points deduction- known about when pen was put to paper. No surprise there. OK may be a successful businessman in other areas but sport is not a conventional business and he has probably not appreciated the complexities that it entails. Obviously he can't control what happens on the pitch and a playoff push/cup run could have provided a bit of much needed cash, but it would be foolish to factor this potential revenue into a budget. I should point out though that OK has done a very noble thing and deserves massive respect for putting his money on the line.[/p][/quote]By the way, I am not sure how lower attendances based on higher priced season tickets would result in less money coming into the Club. I genuinely would welcome your input re the difference in income from 2012 to 2013 regarding the higher prices resulting in lower attendances -if this is in fact the case. I notice the first home attendance was 10,424 and the second home attendance dropped to 7,724! lonniejockstrap
  • Score: 1

4:15pm Fri 2 Aug 13

Thee Voice of Reason says...

If OK has put £900k into the club, and paid £175k for it from the Adminstrators and waived £600k per year for 2 years in central monies.

Wouldn't it have been cheaper to buy the club for £1 and repay all the £1.5m debt to honor the creditors meaning that the RFL wouldn't have had reason to penalise them with reduction in central monies as all debts were serviced?
If OK has put £900k into the club, and paid £175k for it from the Adminstrators and waived £600k per year for 2 years in central monies. Wouldn't it have been cheaper to buy the club for £1 and repay all the £1.5m debt to honor the creditors meaning that the RFL wouldn't have had reason to penalise them with reduction in central monies as all debts were serviced? Thee Voice of Reason
  • Score: 2

4:16pm Fri 2 Aug 13

Farsley Bantam says...

lonniejockstrap wrote:
Farsley Bantam wrote:
lonniejockstrap wrote:
Farsley Bantam wrote:
lonniejockstrap wrote:
Farsley Bantam wrote:
Hugh Balls wrote: Farsley Bantam, why do have to resort to name calling. I suggest that to compare the two teams is wrong. Both play different sports, the City in the third tier, yes, the Bulls play in the top tier, at their best they command the same amount of season ticket sales as you. Why the animosity, you spew out, is beyond me. These teams represent the City of Bradford. As such there is no reason for anyone to attack the clubs or supporters. I find those who do, they know who they are , are beneath contempt. We should be grateful for the fact, there are two pro teams in Bradford. We could have lost both. Also to accuse someone of being" mental " is just plain ignorant. Those that use insults, rumours, show that they have very little knowledge of what is actually going on with both clubs. The likes of TVOR, PCA, RHINOSHELF, COLLUS, etc. are a disgrace and bring nothing to any of the forums they post on. Why they persist is beyond me, obviously nothing better to do.
No animosity at all on my part. I've been down to Odsal many a time and consider myself a casual Bulls supporter. Perhaps the word 'mental' was not the right word to use. Total and utterly deluded would be more suitable to theviking62's comment. For some reason he thinks this cash injection is a panacea for all of Bulls' ills and was claiming some kind of victory over those of us that live in the real world, so I put him straight. When Bulls were at their peak during the Noble era they were averaging 14,000 supporters. If Bradford got back in the Premiership that stadium would be full to capacity every week, so 25,000 supporters. They are a much better supported club is my general point, with more loyal supporters. I really hope Bulls survive this but unlike some on here I am a realist.
What a very immature way of comparing the football team with the rugby team. Using your logic can you explain that same logic to Leeds United's attendances should they get into the premiership with the very successful Leeds Rhino's attendances in super league? I'm open to learning!
'Immature'? How do you work that one out? It's really quite simple Lonnie. People enjoy watching successful teams in any sport. The more successful a team the more people go and watch. If a team starts to decline then attendances correlate with this. It's a simple formula; Team winning lots = lots of fans Team losing lots = less fans Leeds Rhino's have been there or there abouts for the last few seasons so their attendances have remained at consistently high levels. Leeds United finished lower mid table in the Championship so average attendances were around the 20k. If and when they return to the PL then their attendances will be back up to the 35k mark (as they were when Leeds were last in the PL). Why? More people are prepared to pay to watch the likes of Manchester United and Chelsea than say Yeovil. I'm staggered that you need me to explain this basic concept Lonnie. I can draw a graph if that would help?
No you don't need to draw a graph you just need to explain why Leeds Rhino's are not getting 35000 at home. You are the one who believes football and rugby league is comparable as a spectator sport. So, no graphs, just explain why rhino's only get half the attendance that Leeds United get. I could ask you why the rhino's don't get the crowds Chelsea, Arsenal and Man U get but I think the penny should have dropped by now.
You've made quite a leap there Lonnie. My comment that they are a much better supported club is a perfectly valid one- just look at season ticket sales by way of a comparison. Or tell me the last time Valley Parade only had 7,900 in for a league match? My point, and you know this, is that Bulls are doing relatively ok in the league yet their support has dwindled massively (disproportionately I would say) Comparisons can be made between attendences in perceived good times and bad times and the rate of desertion.
I haven't made any 'leap' that I am aware of. You were comparing football attendances, Bradford City's, with the Bull's Rugby League attendances. It's there in black and white! I am using your 'logic' in comparing top flight football with top flight rugby and, using the two professional teams in Leeds, asking you why there is such a massive difference in attendance figures if you are failing to acknowledge the obvious limitations (to most people I would suggest) that rugby league has regarding potential support when compared to football. I take it you want a way out of your predicament? And maybe you now realise you are guilty of similar sort of human fallibilities that you perceive have been made by others and appear eager to highlight? Yes we can agree that the support has dwindled to lower levels than probably anyone expected. But couldn't that be one of the reasons why OK has been having to deal with a worse than anticipated financial situation. If you had come on here at the start of the season and said there was going to be such a drop in support -after all the good will shown and expressed during the buy-out by OK- then I would have had more sympathy with your claims that OK can't do his sums or he has mismanaged. But I don't think you saw this anymore than OK did you? Contracts regarding wages still have to be paid even when the attendances drop off.The situation has been made worse by supporters not turning up and doing their bit, -attendance wise- OK is doing his bit. Why should OK be criticised for not seeing what nobody else could see either? The Bulls average crowd for 2012 was 11761, if you are going to be a couple of thousand a game down on that figure then of course the sums are not going to add up.
Obviously football is a much better supported sport in this country. I never claimed otherwise and my 'logic' never suggested so.
As I have said several times now it is the rapid desertion of the Bulls fans that I was highlighting. They have left in droves in a very short period of time, in a way that City fans didn't/haven't. As you yourself highlight, the crowd for the Hull game was 30% down on last years average attendance figure. Now compare that fall, as a %, with City's attendence during the years of decline following the Richmond era. It will be significantly lower. Suggesting more loyal fans.
Do you honestly believe that comparing (proportional) attendance changes of two sporting institutions in the same City is totally meaningless and tells you absolutely nothing about the resolve and loyalty of those two sets of supporters?
[quote][p][bold]lonniejockstrap[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lonniejockstrap[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lonniejockstrap[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hugh Balls[/bold] wrote: Farsley Bantam, why do have to resort to name calling. I suggest that to compare the two teams is wrong. Both play different sports, the City in the third tier, yes, the Bulls play in the top tier, at their best they command the same amount of season ticket sales as you. Why the animosity, you spew out, is beyond me. These teams represent the City of Bradford. As such there is no reason for anyone to attack the clubs or supporters. I find those who do, they know who they are , are beneath contempt. We should be grateful for the fact, there are two pro teams in Bradford. We could have lost both. Also to accuse someone of being" mental " is just plain ignorant. Those that use insults, rumours, show that they have very little knowledge of what is actually going on with both clubs. The likes of TVOR, PCA, RHINOSHELF, COLLUS, etc. are a disgrace and bring nothing to any of the forums they post on. Why they persist is beyond me, obviously nothing better to do.[/p][/quote]No animosity at all on my part. I've been down to Odsal many a time and consider myself a casual Bulls supporter. Perhaps the word 'mental' was not the right word to use. Total and utterly deluded would be more suitable to theviking62's comment. For some reason he thinks this cash injection is a panacea for all of Bulls' ills and was claiming some kind of victory over those of us that live in the real world, so I put him straight. When Bulls were at their peak during the Noble era they were averaging 14,000 supporters. If Bradford got back in the Premiership that stadium would be full to capacity every week, so 25,000 supporters. They are a much better supported club is my general point, with more loyal supporters. I really hope Bulls survive this but unlike some on here I am a realist.[/p][/quote]What a very immature way of comparing the football team with the rugby team. Using your logic can you explain that same logic to Leeds United's attendances should they get into the premiership with the very successful Leeds Rhino's attendances in super league? I'm open to learning![/p][/quote]'Immature'? How do you work that one out? It's really quite simple Lonnie. People enjoy watching successful teams in any sport. The more successful a team the more people go and watch. If a team starts to decline then attendances correlate with this. It's a simple formula; Team winning lots = lots of fans Team losing lots = less fans Leeds Rhino's have been there or there abouts for the last few seasons so their attendances have remained at consistently high levels. Leeds United finished lower mid table in the Championship so average attendances were around the 20k. If and when they return to the PL then their attendances will be back up to the 35k mark (as they were when Leeds were last in the PL). Why? More people are prepared to pay to watch the likes of Manchester United and Chelsea than say Yeovil. I'm staggered that you need me to explain this basic concept Lonnie. I can draw a graph if that would help?[/p][/quote]No you don't need to draw a graph you just need to explain why Leeds Rhino's are not getting 35000 at home. You are the one who believes football and rugby league is comparable as a spectator sport. So, no graphs, just explain why rhino's only get half the attendance that Leeds United get. I could ask you why the rhino's don't get the crowds Chelsea, Arsenal and Man U get but I think the penny should have dropped by now.[/p][/quote]You've made quite a leap there Lonnie. My comment that they are a much better supported club is a perfectly valid one- just look at season ticket sales by way of a comparison. Or tell me the last time Valley Parade only had 7,900 in for a league match? My point, and you know this, is that Bulls are doing relatively ok in the league yet their support has dwindled massively (disproportionately I would say) Comparisons can be made between attendences in perceived good times and bad times and the rate of desertion.[/p][/quote]I haven't made any 'leap' that I am aware of. You were comparing football attendances, Bradford City's, with the Bull's Rugby League attendances. It's there in black and white! I am using your 'logic' in comparing top flight football with top flight rugby and, using the two professional teams in Leeds, asking you why there is such a massive difference in attendance figures if you are failing to acknowledge the obvious limitations (to most people I would suggest) that rugby league has regarding potential support when compared to football. I take it you want a way out of your predicament? And maybe you now realise you are guilty of similar sort of human fallibilities that you perceive have been made by others and appear eager to highlight? Yes we can agree that the support has dwindled to lower levels than probably anyone expected. But couldn't that be one of the reasons why OK has been having to deal with a worse than anticipated financial situation. If you had come on here at the start of the season and said there was going to be such a drop in support -after all the good will shown and expressed during the buy-out by OK- then I would have had more sympathy with your claims that OK can't do his sums or he has mismanaged. But I don't think you saw this anymore than OK did you? Contracts regarding wages still have to be paid even when the attendances drop off.The situation has been made worse by supporters not turning up and doing their bit, -attendance wise- OK is doing his bit. Why should OK be criticised for not seeing what nobody else could see either? The Bulls average crowd for 2012 was 11761, if you are going to be a couple of thousand a game down on that figure then of course the sums are not going to add up.[/p][/quote]Obviously football is a much better supported sport in this country. I never claimed otherwise and my 'logic' never suggested so. As I have said several times now it is the rapid desertion of the Bulls fans that I was highlighting. They have left in droves in a very short period of time, in a way that City fans didn't/haven't. As you yourself highlight, the crowd for the Hull game was 30% down on last years average attendance figure. Now compare that fall, as a %, with City's attendence during the years of decline following the Richmond era. It will be significantly lower. Suggesting more loyal fans. Do you honestly believe that comparing (proportional) attendance changes of two sporting institutions in the same City is totally meaningless and tells you absolutely nothing about the resolve and loyalty of those two sets of supporters? Farsley Bantam
  • Score: 0

5:15pm Fri 2 Aug 13

Mumby was the best says...

Can anyone enlighten me as to why this TVOR character comes on here and takes over the forum. He obviously dislikes the Bulls, but for some reason seems to have an opinion on any story the T&A put out about the Bulls, only the opinion is always loaded in the negative. Normal sensible fans of a team just comment on their forum and don`t drift on to forums of other teams unless they are fans of both. He actually seems to know very little about RL or it`s players. He seems to have a grudge against Gerry Sutcliffe and Bradford Council. But reading Lonnie jockstraps postings it seems even tho TVOR professes to be a City season ticket holder, they don`t want him on their forum. Says it all, how sad nevermind. COYB and thank you Omar for saving the club and now attempting to get it back being competitive.
Can anyone enlighten me as to why this TVOR character comes on here and takes over the forum. He obviously dislikes the Bulls, but for some reason seems to have an opinion on any story the T&A put out about the Bulls, only the opinion is always loaded in the negative. Normal sensible fans of a team just comment on their forum and don`t drift on to forums of other teams unless they are fans of both. He actually seems to know very little about RL or it`s players. He seems to have a grudge against Gerry Sutcliffe and Bradford Council. But reading Lonnie jockstraps postings it seems even tho TVOR professes to be a City season ticket holder, they don`t want him on their forum. Says it all, how sad nevermind. COYB and thank you Omar for saving the club and now attempting to get it back being competitive. Mumby was the best
  • Score: -1

5:15pm Fri 2 Aug 13

bully4us says...

The same few posters – probably the same ones with multiple names have spent the whole day on here. They follow each other just minutes between - about the time it takes to log off and on again.

You set of work shy prats. Get yourselves a job where you can’t spend all day on here. Look at the amount of times some have been on – every few minutes after watching what others write. You can’t do that if you are working! Oh, I suppose they will come back and say they all graft at night – Yeah, right!
Everyone else, just ignore these work shy dole scroungers.
The same few posters – probably the same ones with multiple names have spent the whole day on here. They follow each other just minutes between - about the time it takes to log off and on again. You set of work shy prats. Get yourselves a job where you can’t spend all day on here. Look at the amount of times some have been on – every few minutes after watching what others write. You can’t do that if you are working! Oh, I suppose they will come back and say they all graft at night – Yeah, right! Everyone else, just ignore these work shy dole scroungers. bully4us
  • Score: 2

5:17pm Fri 2 Aug 13

lonniejockstrap says...

Farsley Bantam wrote:
lonniejockstrap wrote:
Farsley Bantam wrote:
lonniejockstrap wrote:
Farsley Bantam wrote:
lonniejockstrap wrote:
Farsley Bantam wrote:
Hugh Balls wrote: Farsley Bantam, why do have to resort to name calling. I suggest that to compare the two teams is wrong. Both play different sports, the City in the third tier, yes, the Bulls play in the top tier, at their best they command the same amount of season ticket sales as you. Why the animosity, you spew out, is beyond me. These teams represent the City of Bradford. As such there is no reason for anyone to attack the clubs or supporters. I find those who do, they know who they are , are beneath contempt. We should be grateful for the fact, there are two pro teams in Bradford. We could have lost both. Also to accuse someone of being" mental " is just plain ignorant. Those that use insults, rumours, show that they have very little knowledge of what is actually going on with both clubs. The likes of TVOR, PCA, RHINOSHELF, COLLUS, etc. are a disgrace and bring nothing to any of the forums they post on. Why they persist is beyond me, obviously nothing better to do.
No animosity at all on my part. I've been down to Odsal many a time and consider myself a casual Bulls supporter. Perhaps the word 'mental' was not the right word to use. Total and utterly deluded would be more suitable to theviking62's comment. For some reason he thinks this cash injection is a panacea for all of Bulls' ills and was claiming some kind of victory over those of us that live in the real world, so I put him straight. When Bulls were at their peak during the Noble era they were averaging 14,000 supporters. If Bradford got back in the Premiership that stadium would be full to capacity every week, so 25,000 supporters. They are a much better supported club is my general point, with more loyal supporters. I really hope Bulls survive this but unlike some on here I am a realist.
What a very immature way of comparing the football team with the rugby team. Using your logic can you explain that same logic to Leeds United's attendances should they get into the premiership with the very successful Leeds Rhino's attendances in super league? I'm open to learning!
'Immature'? How do you work that one out? It's really quite simple Lonnie. People enjoy watching successful teams in any sport. The more successful a team the more people go and watch. If a team starts to decline then attendances correlate with this. It's a simple formula; Team winning lots = lots of fans Team losing lots = less fans Leeds Rhino's have been there or there abouts for the last few seasons so their attendances have remained at consistently high levels. Leeds United finished lower mid table in the Championship so average attendances were around the 20k. If and when they return to the PL then their attendances will be back up to the 35k mark (as they were when Leeds were last in the PL). Why? More people are prepared to pay to watch the likes of Manchester United and Chelsea than say Yeovil. I'm staggered that you need me to explain this basic concept Lonnie. I can draw a graph if that would help?
No you don't need to draw a graph you just need to explain why Leeds Rhino's are not getting 35000 at home. You are the one who believes football and rugby league is comparable as a spectator sport. So, no graphs, just explain why rhino's only get half the attendance that Leeds United get. I could ask you why the rhino's don't get the crowds Chelsea, Arsenal and Man U get but I think the penny should have dropped by now.
You've made quite a leap there Lonnie. My comment that they are a much better supported club is a perfectly valid one- just look at season ticket sales by way of a comparison. Or tell me the last time Valley Parade only had 7,900 in for a league match? My point, and you know this, is that Bulls are doing relatively ok in the league yet their support has dwindled massively (disproportionately I would say) Comparisons can be made between attendences in perceived good times and bad times and the rate of desertion.
I haven't made any 'leap' that I am aware of. You were comparing football attendances, Bradford City's, with the Bull's Rugby League attendances. It's there in black and white! I am using your 'logic' in comparing top flight football with top flight rugby and, using the two professional teams in Leeds, asking you why there is such a massive difference in attendance figures if you are failing to acknowledge the obvious limitations (to most people I would suggest) that rugby league has regarding potential support when compared to football. I take it you want a way out of your predicament? And maybe you now realise you are guilty of similar sort of human fallibilities that you perceive have been made by others and appear eager to highlight? Yes we can agree that the support has dwindled to lower levels than probably anyone expected. But couldn't that be one of the reasons why OK has been having to deal with a worse than anticipated financial situation. If you had come on here at the start of the season and said there was going to be such a drop in support -after all the good will shown and expressed during the buy-out by OK- then I would have had more sympathy with your claims that OK can't do his sums or he has mismanaged. But I don't think you saw this anymore than OK did you? Contracts regarding wages still have to be paid even when the attendances drop off.The situation has been made worse by supporters not turning up and doing their bit, -attendance wise- OK is doing his bit. Why should OK be criticised for not seeing what nobody else could see either? The Bulls average crowd for 2012 was 11761, if you are going to be a couple of thousand a game down on that figure then of course the sums are not going to add up.
Obviously football is a much better supported sport in this country. I never claimed otherwise and my 'logic' never suggested so.
As I have said several times now it is the rapid desertion of the Bulls fans that I was highlighting. They have left in droves in a very short period of time, in a way that City fans didn't/haven't. As you yourself highlight, the crowd for the Hull game was 30% down on last years average attendance figure. Now compare that fall, as a %, with City's attendence during the years of decline following the Richmond era. It will be significantly lower. Suggesting more loyal fans.
Do you honestly believe that comparing (proportional) attendance changes of two sporting institutions in the same City is totally meaningless and tells you absolutely nothing about the resolve and loyalty of those two sets of supporters?
Farsley, I can't see any relevance between the Bulls attendances and City's so I would have to say that it is totally meaningless to compare them yes. If you truly believe there is anything in comparing attendances in football with rugby that can be meaningful then you will have to explain why the Rhinos are not getting 35000 crowds, why Salford reds are not hitting the 70000 plus mark on a regular basis and why Huddersfield Giants are not able to out-support the Terriers -although in a 'superior' league to them.

You have mentioned the attendance drop as being attributable to increased pricing, I can go along with that -to a certain extent. I am pretty certain the same sort of effect would have occurred had City put up their prices. However, how did the higher prices, lower attendances affect the income stream, do we know? The season 2012 saw record attendances for super league but the average debt per Club was £3m (BBC Investigation, BBC Sport. 28th Jan 2013). It appears it is not quite as simple as lower attendances equals financial ruin and higher attendances equals profits!

Supporters do however want value for money, or they wont turn up. That is where the Coach and the players need to do their bit.
[quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lonniejockstrap[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lonniejockstrap[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lonniejockstrap[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hugh Balls[/bold] wrote: Farsley Bantam, why do have to resort to name calling. I suggest that to compare the two teams is wrong. Both play different sports, the City in the third tier, yes, the Bulls play in the top tier, at their best they command the same amount of season ticket sales as you. Why the animosity, you spew out, is beyond me. These teams represent the City of Bradford. As such there is no reason for anyone to attack the clubs or supporters. I find those who do, they know who they are , are beneath contempt. We should be grateful for the fact, there are two pro teams in Bradford. We could have lost both. Also to accuse someone of being" mental " is just plain ignorant. Those that use insults, rumours, show that they have very little knowledge of what is actually going on with both clubs. The likes of TVOR, PCA, RHINOSHELF, COLLUS, etc. are a disgrace and bring nothing to any of the forums they post on. Why they persist is beyond me, obviously nothing better to do.[/p][/quote]No animosity at all on my part. I've been down to Odsal many a time and consider myself a casual Bulls supporter. Perhaps the word 'mental' was not the right word to use. Total and utterly deluded would be more suitable to theviking62's comment. For some reason he thinks this cash injection is a panacea for all of Bulls' ills and was claiming some kind of victory over those of us that live in the real world, so I put him straight. When Bulls were at their peak during the Noble era they were averaging 14,000 supporters. If Bradford got back in the Premiership that stadium would be full to capacity every week, so 25,000 supporters. They are a much better supported club is my general point, with more loyal supporters. I really hope Bulls survive this but unlike some on here I am a realist.[/p][/quote]What a very immature way of comparing the football team with the rugby team. Using your logic can you explain that same logic to Leeds United's attendances should they get into the premiership with the very successful Leeds Rhino's attendances in super league? I'm open to learning![/p][/quote]'Immature'? How do you work that one out? It's really quite simple Lonnie. People enjoy watching successful teams in any sport. The more successful a team the more people go and watch. If a team starts to decline then attendances correlate with this. It's a simple formula; Team winning lots = lots of fans Team losing lots = less fans Leeds Rhino's have been there or there abouts for the last few seasons so their attendances have remained at consistently high levels. Leeds United finished lower mid table in the Championship so average attendances were around the 20k. If and when they return to the PL then their attendances will be back up to the 35k mark (as they were when Leeds were last in the PL). Why? More people are prepared to pay to watch the likes of Manchester United and Chelsea than say Yeovil. I'm staggered that you need me to explain this basic concept Lonnie. I can draw a graph if that would help?[/p][/quote]No you don't need to draw a graph you just need to explain why Leeds Rhino's are not getting 35000 at home. You are the one who believes football and rugby league is comparable as a spectator sport. So, no graphs, just explain why rhino's only get half the attendance that Leeds United get. I could ask you why the rhino's don't get the crowds Chelsea, Arsenal and Man U get but I think the penny should have dropped by now.[/p][/quote]You've made quite a leap there Lonnie. My comment that they are a much better supported club is a perfectly valid one- just look at season ticket sales by way of a comparison. Or tell me the last time Valley Parade only had 7,900 in for a league match? My point, and you know this, is that Bulls are doing relatively ok in the league yet their support has dwindled massively (disproportionately I would say) Comparisons can be made between attendences in perceived good times and bad times and the rate of desertion.[/p][/quote]I haven't made any 'leap' that I am aware of. You were comparing football attendances, Bradford City's, with the Bull's Rugby League attendances. It's there in black and white! I am using your 'logic' in comparing top flight football with top flight rugby and, using the two professional teams in Leeds, asking you why there is such a massive difference in attendance figures if you are failing to acknowledge the obvious limitations (to most people I would suggest) that rugby league has regarding potential support when compared to football. I take it you want a way out of your predicament? And maybe you now realise you are guilty of similar sort of human fallibilities that you perceive have been made by others and appear eager to highlight? Yes we can agree that the support has dwindled to lower levels than probably anyone expected. But couldn't that be one of the reasons why OK has been having to deal with a worse than anticipated financial situation. If you had come on here at the start of the season and said there was going to be such a drop in support -after all the good will shown and expressed during the buy-out by OK- then I would have had more sympathy with your claims that OK can't do his sums or he has mismanaged. But I don't think you saw this anymore than OK did you? Contracts regarding wages still have to be paid even when the attendances drop off.The situation has been made worse by supporters not turning up and doing their bit, -attendance wise- OK is doing his bit. Why should OK be criticised for not seeing what nobody else could see either? The Bulls average crowd for 2012 was 11761, if you are going to be a couple of thousand a game down on that figure then of course the sums are not going to add up.[/p][/quote]Obviously football is a much better supported sport in this country. I never claimed otherwise and my 'logic' never suggested so. As I have said several times now it is the rapid desertion of the Bulls fans that I was highlighting. They have left in droves in a very short period of time, in a way that City fans didn't/haven't. As you yourself highlight, the crowd for the Hull game was 30% down on last years average attendance figure. Now compare that fall, as a %, with City's attendence during the years of decline following the Richmond era. It will be significantly lower. Suggesting more loyal fans. Do you honestly believe that comparing (proportional) attendance changes of two sporting institutions in the same City is totally meaningless and tells you absolutely nothing about the resolve and loyalty of those two sets of supporters?[/p][/quote]Farsley, I can't see any relevance between the Bulls attendances and City's so I would have to say that it is totally meaningless to compare them yes. If you truly believe there is anything in comparing attendances in football with rugby that can be meaningful then you will have to explain why the Rhinos are not getting 35000 crowds, why Salford reds are not hitting the 70000 plus mark on a regular basis and why Huddersfield Giants are not able to out-support the Terriers -although in a 'superior' league to them. You have mentioned the attendance drop as being attributable to increased pricing, I can go along with that -to a certain extent. I am pretty certain the same sort of effect would have occurred had City put up their prices. However, how did the higher prices, lower attendances affect the income stream, do we know? The season 2012 saw record attendances for super league but the average debt per Club was £3m (BBC Investigation, BBC Sport. 28th Jan 2013). It appears it is not quite as simple as lower attendances equals financial ruin and higher attendances equals profits! Supporters do however want value for money, or they wont turn up. That is where the Coach and the players need to do their bit. lonniejockstrap
  • Score: 1

5:57pm Fri 2 Aug 13

Pablo says...

Oh Christ, Lonnie's hijacked the debate! I don't read his posts anymore because on the City site he wrote a lot, but actually never posted anything that made much sense.

I asked earlier this week, who on earth was going to invest in the Bulls to save the club. Naturally, there was only one possibility, and Omar has dug deep. I applaud his commitment and trust he will be taking steps to protect his investment, by turning round the playing fortunes of the club and attracting more paying customers. The problem is the current squad is only average, brought about by the circumstances he inherited. The new recruits thus far for next season don't suggest a significant turnaround can be expected. So, in the short term, survival has been achieved, but it's very much "as you were".

On thing I think we all agree on is that he seems a good guy who's been left to pick up the pieces.
Oh Christ, Lonnie's hijacked the debate! I don't read his posts anymore because on the City site he wrote a lot, but actually never posted anything that made much sense. I asked earlier this week, who on earth was going to invest in the Bulls to save the club. Naturally, there was only one possibility, and Omar has dug deep. I applaud his commitment and trust he will be taking steps to protect his investment, by turning round the playing fortunes of the club and attracting more paying customers. The problem is the current squad is only average, brought about by the circumstances he inherited. The new recruits thus far for next season don't suggest a significant turnaround can be expected. So, in the short term, survival has been achieved, but it's very much "as you were". On thing I think we all agree on is that he seems a good guy who's been left to pick up the pieces. Pablo
  • Score: -3

8:56pm Fri 2 Aug 13

lonniejockstrap says...

Pablo wrote:
Oh Christ, Lonnie's hijacked the debate! I don't read his posts anymore because on the City site he wrote a lot, but actually never posted anything that made much sense.

I asked earlier this week, who on earth was going to invest in the Bulls to save the club. Naturally, there was only one possibility, and Omar has dug deep. I applaud his commitment and trust he will be taking steps to protect his investment, by turning round the playing fortunes of the club and attracting more paying customers. The problem is the current squad is only average, brought about by the circumstances he inherited. The new recruits thus far for next season don't suggest a significant turnaround can be expected. So, in the short term, survival has been achieved, but it's very much "as you were".

On thing I think we all agree on is that he seems a good guy who's been left to pick up the pieces.
Ah Pablo another character who likes to participate in a little schadenfreude. Are you trying to dilute your 'all is woe' attempt at depressing the Bulls fans! What you actually said as opposed to asking 'who on earth was going to invest in the Bulls' was, and I quote:

'I wonder if Robbie Paul realised he'd be working on a voluntary basis, when he joined the Bulls?! He obviously hasn't a clue what's going on. He informed the players on Monday, they'd be paid on Tuesday, when several of us streetwise readers, not even close to the club, guessed otherwise.

Who, in their right mind is going to invest in this big black hole? Any savvy creditor is going to withdraw credit and chase what's owed. Which players are going to bust a gut and risk injury against Wakefield, knowing they haven't been paid? It's an average squad, with little in the way of saleable assets

There seems only one conclusion to me.......' unquote.

You threw plenty of negatives into the pot but you got an awful lot wrong Pablo, but then again that seems to be par for the course for you. schadenfreude
[quote][p][bold]Pablo[/bold] wrote: Oh Christ, Lonnie's hijacked the debate! I don't read his posts anymore because on the City site he wrote a lot, but actually never posted anything that made much sense. I asked earlier this week, who on earth was going to invest in the Bulls to save the club. Naturally, there was only one possibility, and Omar has dug deep. I applaud his commitment and trust he will be taking steps to protect his investment, by turning round the playing fortunes of the club and attracting more paying customers. The problem is the current squad is only average, brought about by the circumstances he inherited. The new recruits thus far for next season don't suggest a significant turnaround can be expected. So, in the short term, survival has been achieved, but it's very much "as you were". On thing I think we all agree on is that he seems a good guy who's been left to pick up the pieces.[/p][/quote]Ah Pablo another character who likes to participate in a little schadenfreude. Are you trying to dilute your 'all is woe' attempt at depressing the Bulls fans! What you actually said as opposed to asking 'who on earth was going to invest in the Bulls' was, and I quote: 'I wonder if Robbie Paul realised he'd be working on a voluntary basis, when he joined the Bulls?! He obviously hasn't a clue what's going on. He informed the players on Monday, they'd be paid on Tuesday, when several of us streetwise readers, not even close to the club, guessed otherwise. Who, in their right mind is going to invest in this big black hole? Any savvy creditor is going to withdraw credit and chase what's owed. Which players are going to bust a gut and risk injury against Wakefield, knowing they haven't been paid? It's an average squad, with little in the way of saleable assets There seems only one conclusion to me.......' unquote. You threw plenty of negatives into the pot but you got an awful lot wrong Pablo, but then again that seems to be par for the course for you. schadenfreude lonniejockstrap
  • Score: 1

9:36pm Fri 2 Aug 13

hardy43 says...

Well done to O.K. for putting funds into the club but,- is it a loan to be paid back or is it a gift? Where is Sutcliffes contribution? Just what is his role?
Well done to O.K. for putting funds into the club but,- is it a loan to be paid back or is it a gift? Where is Sutcliffes contribution? Just what is his role? hardy43
  • Score: 0

4:06pm Sat 3 Aug 13

raisemeup says...

Farsley Bantam wrote:
Hugh Balls wrote:
Farsley Bantam, why do have to resort to name calling. I suggest that to compare the two teams is wrong. Both play different sports, the City in the third tier, yes, the Bulls play in the top tier, at their best they command the same amount of season ticket sales as you. Why the animosity, you spew out, is beyond me. These teams represent the City of Bradford. As such there is no reason for anyone to attack the clubs or supporters. I find those who do, they know who they are , are beneath contempt. We should be grateful for the fact, there are two pro teams in Bradford. We could have lost both. Also to accuse someone of being" mental " is just plain ignorant. Those that use insults, rumours, show that they have very little knowledge of what is actually going on with both clubs. The likes of TVOR, PCA, RHINOSHELF, COLLUS, etc. are a disgrace and bring nothing to any of the forums they post on. Why they persist is beyond me, obviously nothing better to do.
No animosity at all on my part. I've been down to Odsal many a time and consider myself a casual Bulls supporter. Perhaps the word 'mental' was not the right word to use. Total and utterly deluded would be more suitable to theviking62's comment. For some reason he thinks this cash injection is a panacea for all of Bulls' ills and was claiming some kind of victory over those of us that live in the real world, so I put him straight.
When Bulls were at their peak during the Noble era they were averaging 14,000 supporters. If Bradford got back in the Premiership that stadium would be full to capacity every week, so 25,000 supporters. They are a much better supported club is my general point, with more loyal supporters.
I really hope Bulls survive this but unlike some on here I am a realist.
No your problem is that you always want to be proved right with your controversial and often ill conceived points.

Realism, as you put it does not exist, until the fat lady sings, to coin a famous saying of Stevo.( If you know who he is?)

What you do is quote the odds stacked against us! For example we had no home games for over 7 weeks, with half the compensation money at £50k per month, whereas other clubs had £100k SKY contribution.per month. (.Would you believe players and staff had to be paid over that period of stadium inactivity?) Home games in August total one on the 11th against Catalan who may bring 500 to swell our crowd. Then in Sept. we have London and Huddersfield, who bring a huge away contingent as you know????? (Sarcastic comment, for those not actually in the know about these things)
So those are a few of the odds which are not self administered, but laid at our doorstep by the very body that is supposed to be the servant of the game...but is probably the most destructive influence to us at this moment. (not you TVOR the RFL)
However most Bradford fans feel the positive vibes generated by this most unselfish act by Omar and the Management at the Bulls.
(and before you mention it, yes I feel for the staff who will have to wait for their wages. I've been there in the past and it's soul destroying, but they now have hope for a better future.)

Generally speaking we have had so much thrown at us that our by word is a phrase coined by Winston Churchill , who said, "Let them do their worst, whilst we will do our best ! "

So I'm not picking on you personally, but I am using you as one of those band of posters who infest our site and will always looks to the negative, before even considering the positives of what's happening with the Bulls. And what the future will hold by the will of the people, not the grumblings of those who try to persuade us that the 'End of the world is nigh.!'
( sadly that is true for some people every day)
You are not a realist, you just don't have the courage of any conviction>
People make the circumstances of success, not the other way round, which tends to be how you think, ie we are bound to fail because of these set of circumstances> The Bulls are determined to succeed, you can spend all your time telling us why in your opinion we won't..But with the help of people like Omar Khan and his team: Failure is not an option!
[quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hugh Balls[/bold] wrote: Farsley Bantam, why do have to resort to name calling. I suggest that to compare the two teams is wrong. Both play different sports, the City in the third tier, yes, the Bulls play in the top tier, at their best they command the same amount of season ticket sales as you. Why the animosity, you spew out, is beyond me. These teams represent the City of Bradford. As such there is no reason for anyone to attack the clubs or supporters. I find those who do, they know who they are , are beneath contempt. We should be grateful for the fact, there are two pro teams in Bradford. We could have lost both. Also to accuse someone of being" mental " is just plain ignorant. Those that use insults, rumours, show that they have very little knowledge of what is actually going on with both clubs. The likes of TVOR, PCA, RHINOSHELF, COLLUS, etc. are a disgrace and bring nothing to any of the forums they post on. Why they persist is beyond me, obviously nothing better to do.[/p][/quote]No animosity at all on my part. I've been down to Odsal many a time and consider myself a casual Bulls supporter. Perhaps the word 'mental' was not the right word to use. Total and utterly deluded would be more suitable to theviking62's comment. For some reason he thinks this cash injection is a panacea for all of Bulls' ills and was claiming some kind of victory over those of us that live in the real world, so I put him straight. When Bulls were at their peak during the Noble era they were averaging 14,000 supporters. If Bradford got back in the Premiership that stadium would be full to capacity every week, so 25,000 supporters. They are a much better supported club is my general point, with more loyal supporters. I really hope Bulls survive this but unlike some on here I am a realist.[/p][/quote]No your problem is that you always want to be proved right with your controversial and often ill conceived points. Realism, as you put it does not exist, until the fat lady sings, to coin a famous saying of Stevo.( If you know who he is?) What you do is quote the odds stacked against us! For example we had no home games for over 7 weeks, with half the compensation money at £50k per month, whereas other clubs had £100k SKY contribution.per month. (.Would you believe players and staff had to be paid over that period of stadium inactivity?) Home games in August total one on the 11th against Catalan who may bring 500 to swell our crowd. Then in Sept. we have London and Huddersfield, who bring a huge away contingent as you know????? (Sarcastic comment, for those not actually in the know about these things) So those are a few of the odds which are not self administered, but laid at our doorstep by the very body that is supposed to be the servant of the game...but is probably the most destructive influence to us at this moment. (not you TVOR the RFL) However most Bradford fans feel the positive vibes generated by this most unselfish act by Omar and the Management at the Bulls. (and before you mention it, yes I feel for the staff who will have to wait for their wages. I've been there in the past and it's soul destroying, but they now have hope for a better future.) Generally speaking we have had so much thrown at us that our by word is a phrase coined by Winston Churchill , who said, "Let them do their worst, whilst we will do our best ! " So I'm not picking on you personally, but I am using you as one of those band of posters who infest our site and will always looks to the negative, before even considering the positives of what's happening with the Bulls. And what the future will hold by the will of the people, not the grumblings of those who try to persuade us that the 'End of the world is nigh.!' ( sadly that is true for some people every day) You are not a realist, you just don't have the courage of any conviction> People make the circumstances of success, not the other way round, which tends to be how you think, ie we are bound to fail because of these set of circumstances> The Bulls are determined to succeed, you can spend all your time telling us why in your opinion we won't..But with the help of people like Omar Khan and his team: Failure is not an option! raisemeup
  • Score: 1

6:09pm Sat 3 Aug 13

axlef1963 says...

IGNORE THE TROLLS END OF
IGNORE THE TROLLS END OF axlef1963
  • Score: -1

6:14pm Sat 3 Aug 13

axlef1963 says...

lonniejockstrap wrote:
Pablo wrote:
Oh Christ, Lonnie's hijacked the debate! I don't read his posts anymore because on the City site he wrote a lot, but actually never posted anything that made much sense.

I asked earlier this week, who on earth was going to invest in the Bulls to save the club. Naturally, there was only one possibility, and Omar has dug deep. I applaud his commitment and trust he will be taking steps to protect his investment, by turning round the playing fortunes of the club and attracting more paying customers. The problem is the current squad is only average, brought about by the circumstances he inherited. The new recruits thus far for next season don't suggest a significant turnaround can be expected. So, in the short term, survival has been achieved, but it's very much "as you were".

On thing I think we all agree on is that he seems a good guy who's been left to pick up the pieces.
Ah Pablo another character who likes to participate in a little schadenfreude. Are you trying to dilute your 'all is woe' attempt at depressing the Bulls fans! What you actually said as opposed to asking 'who on earth was going to invest in the Bulls' was, and I quote:

'I wonder if Robbie Paul realised he'd be working on a voluntary basis, when he joined the Bulls?! He obviously hasn't a clue what's going on. He informed the players on Monday, they'd be paid on Tuesday, when several of us streetwise readers, not even close to the club, guessed otherwise.

Who, in their right mind is going to invest in this big black hole? Any savvy creditor is going to withdraw credit and chase what's owed. Which players are going to bust a gut and risk injury against Wakefield, knowing they haven't been paid? It's an average squad, with little in the way of saleable assets

There seems only one conclusion to me.......' unquote.

You threw plenty of negatives into the pot but you got an awful lot wrong Pablo, but then again that seems to be par for the course for you. schadenfreude
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[quote][p][bold]lonniejockstrap[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pablo[/bold] wrote: Oh Christ, Lonnie's hijacked the debate! I don't read his posts anymore because on the City site he wrote a lot, but actually never posted anything that made much sense. I asked earlier this week, who on earth was going to invest in the Bulls to save the club. Naturally, there was only one possibility, and Omar has dug deep. I applaud his commitment and trust he will be taking steps to protect his investment, by turning round the playing fortunes of the club and attracting more paying customers. The problem is the current squad is only average, brought about by the circumstances he inherited. The new recruits thus far for next season don't suggest a significant turnaround can be expected. So, in the short term, survival has been achieved, but it's very much "as you were". On thing I think we all agree on is that he seems a good guy who's been left to pick up the pieces.[/p][/quote]Ah Pablo another character who likes to participate in a little schadenfreude. Are you trying to dilute your 'all is woe' attempt at depressing the Bulls fans! What you actually said as opposed to asking 'who on earth was going to invest in the Bulls' was, and I quote: 'I wonder if Robbie Paul realised he'd be working on a voluntary basis, when he joined the Bulls?! He obviously hasn't a clue what's going on. He informed the players on Monday, they'd be paid on Tuesday, when several of us streetwise readers, not even close to the club, guessed otherwise. Who, in their right mind is going to invest in this big black hole? Any savvy creditor is going to withdraw credit and chase what's owed. Which players are going to bust a gut and risk injury against Wakefield, knowing they haven't been paid? It's an average squad, with little in the way of saleable assets There seems only one conclusion to me.......' unquote. You threw plenty of negatives into the pot but you got an awful lot wrong Pablo, but then again that seems to be par for the course for you. schadenfreude[/p][/quote]MORE YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAWN axlef1963
  • Score: -1

8:58pm Sat 3 Aug 13

MisterBD says...

Anger at no "anger" in headline
Anger at no "anger" in headline MisterBD
  • Score: -1

9:00am Sun 4 Aug 13

oddshapedballs says...

Reading Bullette wrote:
At least Mr Khan has the money to invest unlike a certain cosmetics lady who hasn't a pot to pee in.
Matty blythe signing. IS THAT THE NEWS FROM WARRINGTON??
[quote][p][bold]Reading Bullette[/bold] wrote: At least Mr Khan has the money to invest unlike a certain cosmetics lady who hasn't a pot to pee in.[/p][/quote]Matty blythe signing. IS THAT THE NEWS FROM WARRINGTON?? oddshapedballs
  • Score: 0

9:43am Sun 4 Aug 13

raisemeup says...

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
If OK has put £900k into the club, and paid £175k for it from the Adminstrators and waived £600k per year for 2 years in central monies.

Wouldn't it have been cheaper to buy the club for £1 and repay all the £1.5m debt to honor the creditors meaning that the RFL wouldn't have had reason to penalise them with reduction in central monies as all debts were serviced?
You really are a dork TV.
£1 plus debts works in certain circumstances, but what would you expect the purchaser to do with the first months expenses of paying 150-200 staff?
And buying back the stadium, plus re negotiating the rent if he couldn't buy it back. And did you not realise the SKY compensation money isn't paid up front, or on a monthly basis, and who pays the administrator ,who will have to draw all the strings together?
Nuff said.
[quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: If OK has put £900k into the club, and paid £175k for it from the Adminstrators and waived £600k per year for 2 years in central monies. Wouldn't it have been cheaper to buy the club for £1 and repay all the £1.5m debt to honor the creditors meaning that the RFL wouldn't have had reason to penalise them with reduction in central monies as all debts were serviced?[/p][/quote]You really are a dork TV. £1 plus debts works in certain circumstances, but what would you expect the purchaser to do with the first months expenses of paying 150-200 staff? And buying back the stadium, plus re negotiating the rent if he couldn't buy it back. And did you not realise the SKY compensation money isn't paid up front, or on a monthly basis, and who pays the administrator ,who will have to draw all the strings together? Nuff said. raisemeup
  • Score: -2

10:33am Sun 4 Aug 13

theviking62 says...

oddshapedballs wrote:
Reading Bullette wrote:
At least Mr Khan has the money to invest unlike a certain cosmetics lady who hasn't a pot to pee in.
Matty blythe signing. IS THAT THE NEWS FROM WARRINGTON??
Indeed it is Odd, see this from the Warrington Star, a sister paper of our esteemed T n A.

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[quote][p][bold]oddshapedballs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Reading Bullette[/bold] wrote: At least Mr Khan has the money to invest unlike a certain cosmetics lady who hasn't a pot to pee in.[/p][/quote]Matty blythe signing. IS THAT THE NEWS FROM WARRINGTON??[/p][/quote]Indeed it is Odd, see this from the Warrington Star, a sister paper of our esteemed T n A. http://www.warringto nguardian.co.uk/spor t/wolves/10586981.Bl ythe_signs_for_three _years_with_Bradford _to_end_his_Wolves_c areer/ theviking62
  • Score: 0

11:36pm Sun 4 Aug 13

lonniejockstrap says...

lonniejockstrap wrote:
Pablo wrote:
Oh Christ, Lonnie's hijacked the debate! I don't read his posts anymore because on the City site he wrote a lot, but actually never posted anything that made much sense.

I asked earlier this week, who on earth was going to invest in the Bulls to save the club. Naturally, there was only one possibility, and Omar has dug deep. I applaud his commitment and trust he will be taking steps to protect his investment, by turning round the playing fortunes of the club and attracting more paying customers. The problem is the current squad is only average, brought about by the circumstances he inherited. The new recruits thus far for next season don't suggest a significant turnaround can be expected. So, in the short term, survival has been achieved, but it's very much "as you were".

On thing I think we all agree on is that he seems a good guy who's been left to pick up the pieces.
Ah Pablo another character who likes to participate in a little schadenfreude. Are you trying to dilute your 'all is woe' attempt at depressing the Bulls fans! What you actually said as opposed to asking 'who on earth was going to invest in the Bulls' was, and I quote:

'I wonder if Robbie Paul realised he'd be working on a voluntary basis, when he joined the Bulls?! He obviously hasn't a clue what's going on. He informed the players on Monday, they'd be paid on Tuesday, when several of us streetwise readers, not even close to the club, guessed otherwise.

Who, in their right mind is going to invest in this big black hole? Any savvy creditor is going to withdraw credit and chase what's owed. Which players are going to bust a gut and risk injury against Wakefield, knowing they haven't been paid? It's an average squad, with little in the way of saleable assets

There seems only one conclusion to me.......' unquote.

You threw plenty of negatives into the pot but you got an awful lot wrong Pablo, but then again that seems to be par for the course for you. schadenfreude
What were you saying about the Bulls players and the Wakefield game Pablo?
[quote][p][bold]lonniejockstrap[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pablo[/bold] wrote: Oh Christ, Lonnie's hijacked the debate! I don't read his posts anymore because on the City site he wrote a lot, but actually never posted anything that made much sense. I asked earlier this week, who on earth was going to invest in the Bulls to save the club. Naturally, there was only one possibility, and Omar has dug deep. I applaud his commitment and trust he will be taking steps to protect his investment, by turning round the playing fortunes of the club and attracting more paying customers. The problem is the current squad is only average, brought about by the circumstances he inherited. The new recruits thus far for next season don't suggest a significant turnaround can be expected. So, in the short term, survival has been achieved, but it's very much "as you were". On thing I think we all agree on is that he seems a good guy who's been left to pick up the pieces.[/p][/quote]Ah Pablo another character who likes to participate in a little schadenfreude. Are you trying to dilute your 'all is woe' attempt at depressing the Bulls fans! What you actually said as opposed to asking 'who on earth was going to invest in the Bulls' was, and I quote: 'I wonder if Robbie Paul realised he'd be working on a voluntary basis, when he joined the Bulls?! He obviously hasn't a clue what's going on. He informed the players on Monday, they'd be paid on Tuesday, when several of us streetwise readers, not even close to the club, guessed otherwise. Who, in their right mind is going to invest in this big black hole? Any savvy creditor is going to withdraw credit and chase what's owed. Which players are going to bust a gut and risk injury against Wakefield, knowing they haven't been paid? It's an average squad, with little in the way of saleable assets There seems only one conclusion to me.......' unquote. You threw plenty of negatives into the pot but you got an awful lot wrong Pablo, but then again that seems to be par for the course for you. schadenfreude[/p][/quote]What were you saying about the Bulls players and the Wakefield game Pablo? lonniejockstrap
  • Score: -1

2:45am Mon 5 Aug 13

Ahrmen Aleg says...

6500 season ticket holders at all paying £200 (which they did not)wold give Bulls £1.3 million.
Young Rob suggests monthly wages at £200000 ie £2.4 million.
Rent,Electric,water,
Gas,lease rent,Stadium maintenance,repairs,
tnsurances,Travel costs (for 5 to see how a £1000 million sports village looks in the middle east).
Why is the wages bill sill s high?
So here we have the scenario of the club unable to pay the very high wages bill,sponsored by a pay day loan company.
Wondr if the payers have had to go cap in hand to Provident Financial al a Wonga and take out loans at 2000 per cent APR.
Could be a hefty legal bill for the club in default of wages payments if any have had to.
In fact there could be anyway if mortgage repayments or fines or bills of the employees are bounced in consequence.

Well done Omar.
You had that property portfolio up your sleeve but failed to put it forward earlier to ensure this disaterous PR did not happen.

Yes the fans are not getting behind in enough numbers.
Because in all probability they are as skint as you.

But £900000 is not going to last 2 years.

Not on these sort of shortfalls.
Please all remember even with crowds of 14000 the Bulls still lost money Through chasing the glory.

Now there is only struggle ahead.

And everyone on here arguing as usual.
Surely OK knew on 1.9.2012 that on the same wages as the previous lot paid hewould struggle when the previous lot managed to put the club bankrupt with all the sky money in place,
The future is not good with diminishing support.

Don't worry Brian or Raisemeup it is not the end of the world.
You cannot say I did not warn you.
But I take no gloat from my predictions.

The situation is the club to have any future in sustaining itself in ways accustomed needs a £400 million Ken Davey.

So it would be better of leaving the top table and slugging it with Fax and Feath,get rid of Odsal money pit and getting back to basics.

Cos if £400000 of fans money £200000 of council loan money is all gone just 11 months in (and a sizeable input from Provident Financial)thingsare really rock bottom.

Well done OK.You are barmy.Risking your family"s inheritance for what?
look at the arguing on here.If it all goes belly up it will be all your fault.6500 season ticket holders indeed.Yu need 12000 at least.Just to pay the wages.

Get yourself a decent accountant.
Instead f surrounding yourself with business and political failures.
Or you could always start printing £50 notes.A kind of Bullites Bank of Bradford Quantitiive Easing.
Or alternatively take a suppository and make sure you wear a nappy for a couple of years.
Madness.Barking the lot of them.

Cue...........AA"s been on the sauce again

Cue.......Still don't drink but bet OK"s downing a few right now.

Oh the power and the glory

Amen
God bless Bradford Northern.
Bring back Rick Astley
Bring back speedway
Bring back Stock cars
Bing back the glory years.

No let it go and start again.Without the fancy dan top table ideas.
6500 season ticket holders at all paying £200 (which they did not)wold give Bulls £1.3 million. Young Rob suggests monthly wages at £200000 ie £2.4 million. Rent,Electric,water, Gas,lease rent,Stadium maintenance,repairs, tnsurances,Travel costs (for 5 to see how a £1000 million sports village looks in the middle east). Why is the wages bill sill s high? So here we have the scenario of the club unable to pay the very high wages bill,sponsored by a pay day loan company. Wondr if the payers have had to go cap in hand to Provident Financial al a Wonga and take out loans at 2000 per cent APR. Could be a hefty legal bill for the club in default of wages payments if any have had to. In fact there could be anyway if mortgage repayments or fines or bills of the employees are bounced in consequence. Well done Omar. You had that property portfolio up your sleeve but failed to put it forward earlier to ensure this disaterous PR did not happen. Yes the fans are not getting behind in enough numbers. Because in all probability they are as skint as you. But £900000 is not going to last 2 years. Not on these sort of shortfalls. Please all remember even with crowds of 14000 the Bulls still lost money Through chasing the glory. Now there is only struggle ahead. And everyone on here arguing as usual. Surely OK knew on 1.9.2012 that on the same wages as the previous lot paid hewould struggle when the previous lot managed to put the club bankrupt with all the sky money in place, The future is not good with diminishing support. Don't worry Brian or Raisemeup it is not the end of the world. You cannot say I did not warn you. But I take no gloat from my predictions. The situation is the club to have any future in sustaining itself in ways accustomed needs a £400 million Ken Davey. So it would be better of leaving the top table and slugging it with Fax and Feath,get rid of Odsal money pit and getting back to basics. Cos if £400000 of fans money £200000 of council loan money is all gone just 11 months in (and a sizeable input from Provident Financial)thingsare really rock bottom. Well done OK.You are barmy.Risking your family"s inheritance for what? look at the arguing on here.If it all goes belly up it will be all your fault.6500 season ticket holders indeed.Yu need 12000 at least.Just to pay the wages. Get yourself a decent accountant. Instead f surrounding yourself with business and political failures. Or you could always start printing £50 notes.A kind of Bullites Bank of Bradford Quantitiive Easing. Or alternatively take a suppository and make sure you wear a nappy for a couple of years. Madness.Barking the lot of them. Cue...........AA"s been on the sauce again Cue.......Still don't drink but bet OK"s downing a few right now. Oh the power and the glory Amen God bless Bradford Northern. Bring back Rick Astley Bring back speedway Bring back Stock cars Bing back the glory years. No let it go and start again.Without the fancy dan top table ideas. Ahrmen Aleg
  • Score: -1

4:54pm Mon 5 Aug 13

theviking62 says...

Davey looking to get out of Giants. Says he's sick of having to put is hand in his pocket, to pay for it all. It is a well known fact to those of us who follow RFL. If you read ALL the stories on the " money problem " you would have seen that the players were satisfied wth the explanation, given to them, by management. One final point have you any knowledge of what it costs to run a club. Other than what you have come up with. As I noticed you missed out monies from Central Funding. Plus we have given up over £840000 of said funding to remain in SL. Plus we have had to pay out another £200000, wonder what that was for? Any ideas , if you have answers, no doubt you will tell me.
Davey looking to get out of Giants. Says he's sick of having to put is hand in his pocket, to pay for it all. It is a well known fact to those of us who follow RFL. If you read ALL the stories on the " money problem " you would have seen that the players were satisfied wth the explanation, given to them, by management. One final point have you any knowledge of what it costs to run a club. Other than what you have come up with. As I noticed you missed out monies from Central Funding. Plus we have given up over £840000 of said funding to remain in SL. Plus we have had to pay out another £200000, wonder what that was for? Any ideas , if you have answers, no doubt you will tell me. theviking62
  • Score: 1

4:54pm Mon 5 Aug 13

theviking62 says...

Davey looking to get out of Giants. Says he's sick of having to put is hand in his pocket, to pay for it all. It is a well known fact to those of us who follow RFL. If you read ALL the stories on the " money problem " you would have seen that the players were satisfied wth the explanation, given to them, by management. One final point have you any knowledge of what it costs to run a club. Other than what you have come up with. As I noticed you missed out monies from Central Funding. Plus we have given up over £840000 of said funding to remain in SL. Plus we have had to pay out another £200000, wonder what that was for? Any ideas , if you have answers, no doubt you will tell me.
Davey looking to get out of Giants. Says he's sick of having to put is hand in his pocket, to pay for it all. It is a well known fact to those of us who follow RFL. If you read ALL the stories on the " money problem " you would have seen that the players were satisfied wth the explanation, given to them, by management. One final point have you any knowledge of what it costs to run a club. Other than what you have come up with. As I noticed you missed out monies from Central Funding. Plus we have given up over £840000 of said funding to remain in SL. Plus we have had to pay out another £200000, wonder what that was for? Any ideas , if you have answers, no doubt you will tell me. theviking62
  • Score: 0

5:58pm Mon 5 Aug 13

hardy43 says...

hardy43 wrote:
Well done to O.K. for putting funds into the club but,- is it a loan to be paid back or is it a gift? Where is Sutcliffes contribution? Just what is his role?
Just a few questions- anybody got any answers?
[quote][p][bold]hardy43[/bold] wrote: Well done to O.K. for putting funds into the club but,- is it a loan to be paid back or is it a gift? Where is Sutcliffes contribution? Just what is his role?[/p][/quote]Just a few questions- anybody got any answers? hardy43
  • Score: 1

8:38pm Mon 5 Aug 13

Alhaurinrhino says...

theviking62 wrote:
Davey looking to get out of Giants. Says he's sick of having to put is hand in his pocket, to pay for it all. It is a well known fact to those of us who follow RFL. If you read ALL the stories on the " money problem " you would have seen that the players were satisfied wth the explanation, given to them, by management. One final point have you any knowledge of what it costs to run a club. Other than what you have come up with. As I noticed you missed out monies from Central Funding. Plus we have given up over £840000 of said funding to remain in SL. Plus we have had to pay out another £200000, wonder what that was for? Any ideas , if you have answers, no doubt you will tell me.
Still in denial I see. Saddo.
[quote][p][bold]theviking62[/bold] wrote: Davey looking to get out of Giants. Says he's sick of having to put is hand in his pocket, to pay for it all. It is a well known fact to those of us who follow RFL. If you read ALL the stories on the " money problem " you would have seen that the players were satisfied wth the explanation, given to them, by management. One final point have you any knowledge of what it costs to run a club. Other than what you have come up with. As I noticed you missed out monies from Central Funding. Plus we have given up over £840000 of said funding to remain in SL. Plus we have had to pay out another £200000, wonder what that was for? Any ideas , if you have answers, no doubt you will tell me.[/p][/quote]Still in denial I see. Saddo. Alhaurinrhino
  • Score: -2

9:37pm Mon 5 Aug 13

axlef1963 says...

like the sign says when you go to the zoo DONT FEED THE ANIMALS trolls come under this banner don't bother wasting time or energy with them.lets keep the topic of conversation to rugby league and let the little people crawl back under there rocks COYB
like the sign says when you go to the zoo DONT FEED THE ANIMALS trolls come under this banner don't bother wasting time or energy with them.lets keep the topic of conversation to rugby league and let the little people crawl back under there rocks COYB axlef1963
  • Score: 0

11:37pm Mon 5 Aug 13

raisemeup says...

Ahrmen Aleg wrote:
6500 season ticket holders at all paying £200 (which they did not)wold give Bulls £1.3 million.
Young Rob suggests monthly wages at £200000 ie £2.4 million.
Rent,Electric,water,

Gas,lease rent,Stadium maintenance,repairs,

tnsurances,Travel costs (for 5 to see how a £1000 million sports village looks in the middle east).
Why is the wages bill sill s high?
So here we have the scenario of the club unable to pay the very high wages bill,sponsored by a pay day loan company.
Wondr if the payers have had to go cap in hand to Provident Financial al a Wonga and take out loans at 2000 per cent APR.
Could be a hefty legal bill for the club in default of wages payments if any have had to.
In fact there could be anyway if mortgage repayments or fines or bills of the employees are bounced in consequence.

Well done Omar.
You had that property portfolio up your sleeve but failed to put it forward earlier to ensure this disaterous PR did not happen.

Yes the fans are not getting behind in enough numbers.
Because in all probability they are as skint as you.

But £900000 is not going to last 2 years.

Not on these sort of shortfalls.
Please all remember even with crowds of 14000 the Bulls still lost money Through chasing the glory.

Now there is only struggle ahead.

And everyone on here arguing as usual.
Surely OK knew on 1.9.2012 that on the same wages as the previous lot paid hewould struggle when the previous lot managed to put the club bankrupt with all the sky money in place,
The future is not good with diminishing support.

Don't worry Brian or Raisemeup it is not the end of the world.
You cannot say I did not warn you.
But I take no gloat from my predictions.

The situation is the club to have any future in sustaining itself in ways accustomed needs a £400 million Ken Davey.

So it would be better of leaving the top table and slugging it with Fax and Feath,get rid of Odsal money pit and getting back to basics.

Cos if £400000 of fans money £200000 of council loan money is all gone just 11 months in (and a sizeable input from Provident Financial)thingsare really rock bottom.

Well done OK.You are barmy.Risking your family"s inheritance for what?
look at the arguing on here.If it all goes belly up it will be all your fault.6500 season ticket holders indeed.Yu need 12000 at least.Just to pay the wages.

Get yourself a decent accountant.
Instead f surrounding yourself with business and political failures.
Or you could always start printing £50 notes.A kind of Bullites Bank of Bradford Quantitiive Easing.
Or alternatively take a suppository and make sure you wear a nappy for a couple of years.
Madness.Barking the lot of them.

Cue...........AA"s been on the sauce again

Cue.......Still don't drink but bet OK"s downing a few right now.

Oh the power and the glory

Amen
God bless Bradford Northern.
Bring back Rick Astley
Bring back speedway
Bring back Stock cars
Bing back the glory years.

No let it go and start again.Without the fancy dan top table ideas.
The ramblings of a truly strange unconnected and altogether hybrid personality...
Schizophrenia isn't contagious is it?

Reading your posts is strangely compulsive, or is that repulsive?
By the way, Brian isn't my name it was coined by that other well known peanut brain, who I understand has difficulty, like you, in explaining himself.
[quote][p][bold]Ahrmen Aleg[/bold] wrote: 6500 season ticket holders at all paying £200 (which they did not)wold give Bulls £1.3 million. Young Rob suggests monthly wages at £200000 ie £2.4 million. Rent,Electric,water, Gas,lease rent,Stadium maintenance,repairs, tnsurances,Travel costs (for 5 to see how a £1000 million sports village looks in the middle east). Why is the wages bill sill s high? So here we have the scenario of the club unable to pay the very high wages bill,sponsored by a pay day loan company. Wondr if the payers have had to go cap in hand to Provident Financial al a Wonga and take out loans at 2000 per cent APR. Could be a hefty legal bill for the club in default of wages payments if any have had to. In fact there could be anyway if mortgage repayments or fines or bills of the employees are bounced in consequence. Well done Omar. You had that property portfolio up your sleeve but failed to put it forward earlier to ensure this disaterous PR did not happen. Yes the fans are not getting behind in enough numbers. Because in all probability they are as skint as you. But £900000 is not going to last 2 years. Not on these sort of shortfalls. Please all remember even with crowds of 14000 the Bulls still lost money Through chasing the glory. Now there is only struggle ahead. And everyone on here arguing as usual. Surely OK knew on 1.9.2012 that on the same wages as the previous lot paid hewould struggle when the previous lot managed to put the club bankrupt with all the sky money in place, The future is not good with diminishing support. Don't worry Brian or Raisemeup it is not the end of the world. You cannot say I did not warn you. But I take no gloat from my predictions. The situation is the club to have any future in sustaining itself in ways accustomed needs a £400 million Ken Davey. So it would be better of leaving the top table and slugging it with Fax and Feath,get rid of Odsal money pit and getting back to basics. Cos if £400000 of fans money £200000 of council loan money is all gone just 11 months in (and a sizeable input from Provident Financial)thingsare really rock bottom. Well done OK.You are barmy.Risking your family"s inheritance for what? look at the arguing on here.If it all goes belly up it will be all your fault.6500 season ticket holders indeed.Yu need 12000 at least.Just to pay the wages. Get yourself a decent accountant. Instead f surrounding yourself with business and political failures. Or you could always start printing £50 notes.A kind of Bullites Bank of Bradford Quantitiive Easing. Or alternatively take a suppository and make sure you wear a nappy for a couple of years. Madness.Barking the lot of them. Cue...........AA"s been on the sauce again Cue.......Still don't drink but bet OK"s downing a few right now. Oh the power and the glory Amen God bless Bradford Northern. Bring back Rick Astley Bring back speedway Bring back Stock cars Bing back the glory years. No let it go and start again.Without the fancy dan top table ideas.[/p][/quote]The ramblings of a truly strange unconnected and altogether hybrid personality... Schizophrenia isn't contagious is it? Reading your posts is strangely compulsive, or is that repulsive? By the way, Brian isn't my name it was coined by that other well known peanut brain, who I understand has difficulty, like you, in explaining himself. raisemeup
  • Score: 0

8:25pm Tue 6 Aug 13

Alhaurinrhino says...

axlef1963 wrote:
like the sign says when you go to the zoo DONT FEED THE ANIMALS trolls come under this banner don't bother wasting time or energy with them.lets keep the topic of conversation to rugby league and let the little people crawl back under there rocks COYB
I knew you were all talk.

What's the matter, scared I find out who you are?
[quote][p][bold]axlef1963[/bold] wrote: like the sign says when you go to the zoo DONT FEED THE ANIMALS trolls come under this banner don't bother wasting time or energy with them.lets keep the topic of conversation to rugby league and let the little people crawl back under there rocks COYB[/p][/quote]I knew you were all talk. What's the matter, scared I find out who you are? Alhaurinrhino
  • Score: -2

7:27am Wed 7 Aug 13

axlef1963 says...

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DONT FEED THE TROLLS IM SO BORED WITH THEM ALL YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAWN axlef1963
  • Score: 0

8:32pm Wed 7 Aug 13

Alhaurinrhino says...

axlef1963 wrote:
DONT FEED THE TROLLS IM SO BORED WITH THEM ALL YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

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Thought so
[quote][p][bold]axlef1963[/bold] wrote: DONT FEED THE TROLLS IM SO BORED WITH THEM ALL YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAWN[/p][/quote]Thought so Alhaurinrhino
  • Score: -1

5:40pm Thu 8 Aug 13

axlef1963 says...

talk is cheap from the trolls on this site.If you notice they never really have anything to say apart from negatives.i prefer to correspond with people with an IQ not from people who spent most of there time in approved schools.so people lets just talk about what this site is designed for and that rugby league and the Bradford bulls.to all the trolls I have grown bored of tireless garbage I think its time for you to leave and don't bother returning thank you and good bye COYB
talk is cheap from the trolls on this site.If you notice they never really have anything to say apart from negatives.i prefer to correspond with people with an IQ not from people who spent most of there time in approved schools.so people lets just talk about what this site is designed for and that rugby league and the Bradford bulls.to all the trolls I have grown bored of tireless garbage I think its time for you to leave and don't bother returning thank you and good bye COYB axlef1963
  • Score: 1

10:34am Thu 29 Aug 13

angrybirds77 says...

The staff dont get paid again on the 28th august, what's going on?
The staff dont get paid again on the 28th august, what's going on? angrybirds77
  • Score: 0

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