Aire Valley Line being hit by a plague of young rail fare dodgers

Bradford Telegraph and Argus: Saltaire Station Saltaire Station

A plague of young fare dodgers on trains through the Aire Valley are costing Northern Rail a fortune and hence pushing up ticket prices for honest travellers, warn transport experts.

A meeting of the Bradford Passenger Consultative Committee heard how fare evasion was rife on the Airedale line between Crossflatts, Saltaire, Shipley and Frizinghall rail stations.

Speaking afterwards, West Yorkshire Integrated Transport Authority member Dr Keith Dredge said Saltaire station is the worst place for offending – and schoolchildren are the worst culprits.

“Saltaire is a real hot-spot and the problem is with schoolchildren diving on and off and hiding from the guard at either ends of the train,” said Coun Dredge (Lab, Keighley West).

“The guards do their best, but they simply haven’t got time to get down the length of the train.

“Although recently one jumped off the train and straight into the arms of a plain clothes British Transport police officer!” Said Coun Dredge, who added: “Once, I was on the train full of kids and another passenger said “Oh, let them get away with it”.

“I told him who I was and that it is was unacceptable.

“Schoolkids are the most significant problem, and although their fare may only be 50 pence, it all adds up to a lot of lost money.

“And the more people get away with it, the more fares go up for everyone else.”

Drew Haley, Client and Stakeholder Manager for Northern Rail told the meeting strong efforts were being made to crack down on the dodgers.

“During our franchise, we have significantly expanded our revenue team to provide more staff on stations and trains,” he said.

“An example of this is the barrier staff at Bradford Forster Square who have reduced ticketless travel there from over 20 per cent to low single figures.

“These staff are also used along the Aire Valley at stations where required; such as Keighley, when we feel a high profile presence is needed,” Mr Haley said.

“We also have one of the most robust prosecutions departments in the rail industry and where people are found to be genuinely avoiding payment we always prosecute.

For genuine passengers we have provided ticket machines at all stations on the Aire Valley to reduce waiting times and provide more outlets. Tickets can also be bought online for collection at stations as we appreciate passengers use a diverse range of ticket purchase options,” he added.

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6:30am Thu 25 Apr 13

Bornagain2him says...

As someone who uses the train most days, I would like to point out that the ticket machine at Saltaire is usually out of order, or at least not accepting payments in cash. Additionally I have been on the train when a guard has come around selling tickets, only for adults not to buy one and then have to queue at the barriers to purchase one, I can only assume they were intending to evade purchasing a ticket. So it is just not young people practicing fare evasion.
As someone who uses the train most days, I would like to point out that the ticket machine at Saltaire is usually out of order, or at least not accepting payments in cash. Additionally I have been on the train when a guard has come around selling tickets, only for adults not to buy one and then have to queue at the barriers to purchase one, I can only assume they were intending to evade purchasing a ticket. So it is just not young people practicing fare evasion. Bornagain2him

7:22am Thu 25 Apr 13

Thee Voice of Reason says...

Employ more guards.
The extra fares will cover the wages.
Many times I have bought tickets and never had to show them or got on the train and not seen the guard so have had a free ride.
It's a business, employ the resources required don't understaff and winge.
Employ more guards. The extra fares will cover the wages. Many times I have bought tickets and never had to show them or got on the train and not seen the guard so have had a free ride. It's a business, employ the resources required don't understaff and winge. Thee Voice of Reason

7:28am Thu 25 Apr 13

Albion. says...

I see this happening frequently, some train have two conductors to get around quicker and you do see ticket inspectors at some stations on a sporadic basis.
In the case of young people (you certainly see adults doing it), they shouldn't be allowed to develop a cheating mentality.
I see this happening frequently, some train have two conductors to get around quicker and you do see ticket inspectors at some stations on a sporadic basis. In the case of young people (you certainly see adults doing it), they shouldn't be allowed to develop a cheating mentality. Albion.

9:44am Thu 25 Apr 13

dave - keighley says...

I travel on this line every day from Keighley to Bradford.

There are adults who get on and hide in the toilets or otherwise avoid conductors so it is not just kids (although the number of kids who get on at Frizinghall in the afternoon without tickets is large and the conductor doesn't stand a chance).

It is amazing how many adults fail to but a ticket into Bradford and then when they have to claim they got on at Frizinghall - very busy station is that!!

What I would love to know is what happened to the Revenue Protection Officers that used to blitz the trains and issue £10 excess fare tickets or notices of prosecution.

There are warnings that you can be fined £1000 or get imprisoned but that won't happen if people are allowed to buy tickets at the destination.

I used to see 3 chaps get on in a morning and never bought a ticket unless they were caught. If they got caught once a week then the other 4 days they travelled for nothing.

Why should I pay hundreds of pounds a year to travel and have annual increases when some pay nothing?
I travel on this line every day from Keighley to Bradford. There are adults who get on and hide in the toilets or otherwise avoid conductors so it is not just kids (although the number of kids who get on at Frizinghall in the afternoon without tickets is large and the conductor doesn't stand a chance). It is amazing how many adults fail to but a ticket into Bradford and then when they have to claim they got on at Frizinghall - very busy station is that!! What I would love to know is what happened to the Revenue Protection Officers that used to blitz the trains and issue £10 excess fare tickets or notices of prosecution. There are warnings that you can be fined £1000 or get imprisoned but that won't happen if people are allowed to buy tickets at the destination. I used to see 3 chaps get on in a morning and never bought a ticket unless they were caught. If they got caught once a week then the other 4 days they travelled for nothing. Why should I pay hundreds of pounds a year to travel and have annual increases when some pay nothing? dave - keighley

9:48am Thu 25 Apr 13

bd7 helper says...

Everyone dodges fare who cares just a game, Afew kids playing
Everyone dodges fare who cares just a game, Afew kids playing bd7 helper

10:48am Thu 25 Apr 13

Albion. says...

bd7 helper wrote:
Everyone dodges fare who cares just a game, Afew kids playing
I care! They are cheating everyone else, as we are subsidising them. I hope every single one of them is caught and prosecuted.
[quote][p][bold]bd7 helper[/bold] wrote: Everyone dodges fare who cares just a game, Afew kids playing[/p][/quote]I care! They are cheating everyone else, as we are subsidising them. I hope every single one of them is caught and prosecuted. Albion.

12:30pm Thu 25 Apr 13

David Shaw says...

I have been travelling on this line for over 12 years and have seen all manner of people trying to avoid payments. The other issue is conductors in a morning do not check your tickets, they ask if anyone needs one, but I cannot remember the last time anyone asked to see mine. As for the report station the conductors do not have the time to get down the train, these trains are only 4 carriages long, and most at peak times have 2 conductors on, so I can't see why that is
I have been travelling on this line for over 12 years and have seen all manner of people trying to avoid payments. The other issue is conductors in a morning do not check your tickets, they ask if anyone needs one, but I cannot remember the last time anyone asked to see mine. As for the report station the conductors do not have the time to get down the train, these trains are only 4 carriages long, and most at peak times have 2 conductors on, so I can't see why that is David Shaw

12:35pm Thu 25 Apr 13

Thee Voice of Reason says...

I will buy a ticket from the station if I get there in plenty of time, but if I get there close to the time of the train setting off I shall simply just board the train.

I will pay for a ticket if the conductor comes down the train but I won't go out of my way to find a conductor if I haven't seen him before my stop.

Many people probably do the same. Employ a few more conductors, there are plenty of people out of work.
I will buy a ticket from the station if I get there in plenty of time, but if I get there close to the time of the train setting off I shall simply just board the train. I will pay for a ticket if the conductor comes down the train but I won't go out of my way to find a conductor if I haven't seen him before my stop. Many people probably do the same. Employ a few more conductors, there are plenty of people out of work. Thee Voice of Reason

12:48pm Thu 25 Apr 13

dave - keighley says...

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
I will buy a ticket from the station if I get there in plenty of time, but if I get there close to the time of the train setting off I shall simply just board the train.

I will pay for a ticket if the conductor comes down the train but I won't go out of my way to find a conductor if I haven't seen him before my stop.

Many people probably do the same. Employ a few more conductors, there are plenty of people out of work.
By boarding a train at a manned station without a ticket you have already broken the law - no matter how late you are.

Then to sit and wait for someone to come to you (even though it is their job) you are compounding your law breaking.

It doesn't matter how many others do it - you are no better.

You need to get to the station a bit earlier and allow time to buy the ticket like MOST people do.
[quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: I will buy a ticket from the station if I get there in plenty of time, but if I get there close to the time of the train setting off I shall simply just board the train. I will pay for a ticket if the conductor comes down the train but I won't go out of my way to find a conductor if I haven't seen him before my stop. Many people probably do the same. Employ a few more conductors, there are plenty of people out of work.[/p][/quote]By boarding a train at a manned station without a ticket you have already broken the law - no matter how late you are. Then to sit and wait for someone to come to you (even though it is their job) you are compounding your law breaking. It doesn't matter how many others do it - you are no better. You need to get to the station a bit earlier and allow time to buy the ticket like MOST people do. dave - keighley

12:50pm Thu 25 Apr 13

Thee Voice of Reason says...

dave - keighley wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote: I will buy a ticket from the station if I get there in plenty of time, but if I get there close to the time of the train setting off I shall simply just board the train. I will pay for a ticket if the conductor comes down the train but I won't go out of my way to find a conductor if I haven't seen him before my stop. Many people probably do the same. Employ a few more conductors, there are plenty of people out of work.
By boarding a train at a manned station without a ticket you have already broken the law - no matter how late you are. Then to sit and wait for someone to come to you (even though it is their job) you are compounding your law breaking. It doesn't matter how many others do it - you are no better. You need to get to the station a bit earlier and allow time to buy the ticket like MOST people do.
Point me to the ticket machine at Crossflatts station please.
[quote][p][bold]dave - keighley[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: I will buy a ticket from the station if I get there in plenty of time, but if I get there close to the time of the train setting off I shall simply just board the train. I will pay for a ticket if the conductor comes down the train but I won't go out of my way to find a conductor if I haven't seen him before my stop. Many people probably do the same. Employ a few more conductors, there are plenty of people out of work.[/p][/quote]By boarding a train at a manned station without a ticket you have already broken the law - no matter how late you are. Then to sit and wait for someone to come to you (even though it is their job) you are compounding your law breaking. It doesn't matter how many others do it - you are no better. You need to get to the station a bit earlier and allow time to buy the ticket like MOST people do.[/p][/quote]Point me to the ticket machine at Crossflatts station please. Thee Voice of Reason

1:11pm Thu 25 Apr 13

andrewbradford says...

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
dave - keighley wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote: I will buy a ticket from the station if I get there in plenty of time, but if I get there close to the time of the train setting off I shall simply just board the train. I will pay for a ticket if the conductor comes down the train but I won't go out of my way to find a conductor if I haven't seen him before my stop. Many people probably do the same. Employ a few more conductors, there are plenty of people out of work.
By boarding a train at a manned station without a ticket you have already broken the law - no matter how late you are. Then to sit and wait for someone to come to you (even though it is their job) you are compounding your law breaking. It doesn't matter how many others do it - you are no better. You need to get to the station a bit earlier and allow time to buy the ticket like MOST people do.
Point me to the ticket machine at Crossflatts station please.
By the car park and platform on the Skipton bound side of the station :)
[quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dave - keighley[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: I will buy a ticket from the station if I get there in plenty of time, but if I get there close to the time of the train setting off I shall simply just board the train. I will pay for a ticket if the conductor comes down the train but I won't go out of my way to find a conductor if I haven't seen him before my stop. Many people probably do the same. Employ a few more conductors, there are plenty of people out of work.[/p][/quote]By boarding a train at a manned station without a ticket you have already broken the law - no matter how late you are. Then to sit and wait for someone to come to you (even though it is their job) you are compounding your law breaking. It doesn't matter how many others do it - you are no better. You need to get to the station a bit earlier and allow time to buy the ticket like MOST people do.[/p][/quote]Point me to the ticket machine at Crossflatts station please.[/p][/quote]By the car park and platform on the Skipton bound side of the station :) andrewbradford

1:16pm Thu 25 Apr 13

markjoe says...

I used to travel regularly to Bradford on the train and the number of adults that you see queuing at Forster Square on a daily basis was shocking. I have also witness on one occasion someone sneaking between people through the manned barrier. Its important to buys tickets as its a go indication of who is using the service that this provided. I would assume thoses that dodge fares would compain when the services stopped.
I used to travel regularly to Bradford on the train and the number of adults that you see queuing at Forster Square on a daily basis was shocking. I have also witness on one occasion someone sneaking between people through the manned barrier. Its important to buys tickets as its a go indication of who is using the service that this provided. I would assume thoses that dodge fares would compain when the services stopped. markjoe

1:20pm Thu 25 Apr 13

Thee Voice of Reason says...

andrewbradford wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
dave - keighley wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote: I will buy a ticket from the station if I get there in plenty of time, but if I get there close to the time of the train setting off I shall simply just board the train. I will pay for a ticket if the conductor comes down the train but I won't go out of my way to find a conductor if I haven't seen him before my stop. Many people probably do the same. Employ a few more conductors, there are plenty of people out of work.
By boarding a train at a manned station without a ticket you have already broken the law - no matter how late you are. Then to sit and wait for someone to come to you (even though it is their job) you are compounding your law breaking. It doesn't matter how many others do it - you are no better. You need to get to the station a bit earlier and allow time to buy the ticket like MOST people do.
Point me to the ticket machine at Crossflatts station please.
By the car park and platform on the Skipton bound side of the station :)
Fair do's but anyone using the train to go to Leeds are probably unaware of that as it's about a 5min walk over the bridge from the leeds bound side such is the layout of the station.
[quote][p][bold]andrewbradford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dave - keighley[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: I will buy a ticket from the station if I get there in plenty of time, but if I get there close to the time of the train setting off I shall simply just board the train. I will pay for a ticket if the conductor comes down the train but I won't go out of my way to find a conductor if I haven't seen him before my stop. Many people probably do the same. Employ a few more conductors, there are plenty of people out of work.[/p][/quote]By boarding a train at a manned station without a ticket you have already broken the law - no matter how late you are. Then to sit and wait for someone to come to you (even though it is their job) you are compounding your law breaking. It doesn't matter how many others do it - you are no better. You need to get to the station a bit earlier and allow time to buy the ticket like MOST people do.[/p][/quote]Point me to the ticket machine at Crossflatts station please.[/p][/quote]By the car park and platform on the Skipton bound side of the station :)[/p][/quote]Fair do's but anyone using the train to go to Leeds are probably unaware of that as it's about a 5min walk over the bridge from the leeds bound side such is the layout of the station. Thee Voice of Reason

1:26pm Thu 25 Apr 13

andrewbradford says...

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
andrewbradford wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
dave - keighley wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote: I will buy a ticket from the station if I get there in plenty of time, but if I get there close to the time of the train setting off I shall simply just board the train. I will pay for a ticket if the conductor comes down the train but I won't go out of my way to find a conductor if I haven't seen him before my stop. Many people probably do the same. Employ a few more conductors, there are plenty of people out of work.
By boarding a train at a manned station without a ticket you have already broken the law - no matter how late you are. Then to sit and wait for someone to come to you (even though it is their job) you are compounding your law breaking. It doesn't matter how many others do it - you are no better. You need to get to the station a bit earlier and allow time to buy the ticket like MOST people do.
Point me to the ticket machine at Crossflatts station please.
By the car park and platform on the Skipton bound side of the station :)
Fair do's but anyone using the train to go to Leeds are probably unaware of that as it's about a 5min walk over the bridge from the leeds bound side such is the layout of the station.
A lot of people that use Crossflatts station seem to use the carpark (hence the reason that it has recently been expanded), therefore will walk past the ticket machine on their way to the Leeds/Bradford bound platform.

Others, fair enough, but you can see it from the platform and when you exit the station if you travel from Leeds/Bradford to Crossflatts.
[quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]andrewbradford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dave - keighley[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: I will buy a ticket from the station if I get there in plenty of time, but if I get there close to the time of the train setting off I shall simply just board the train. I will pay for a ticket if the conductor comes down the train but I won't go out of my way to find a conductor if I haven't seen him before my stop. Many people probably do the same. Employ a few more conductors, there are plenty of people out of work.[/p][/quote]By boarding a train at a manned station without a ticket you have already broken the law - no matter how late you are. Then to sit and wait for someone to come to you (even though it is their job) you are compounding your law breaking. It doesn't matter how many others do it - you are no better. You need to get to the station a bit earlier and allow time to buy the ticket like MOST people do.[/p][/quote]Point me to the ticket machine at Crossflatts station please.[/p][/quote]By the car park and platform on the Skipton bound side of the station :)[/p][/quote]Fair do's but anyone using the train to go to Leeds are probably unaware of that as it's about a 5min walk over the bridge from the leeds bound side such is the layout of the station.[/p][/quote]A lot of people that use Crossflatts station seem to use the carpark (hence the reason that it has recently been expanded), therefore will walk past the ticket machine on their way to the Leeds/Bradford bound platform. Others, fair enough, but you can see it from the platform and when you exit the station if you travel from Leeds/Bradford to Crossflatts. andrewbradford

1:33pm Thu 25 Apr 13

DCarbz says...

It doesn't seem to be rocket science if school children are using Frizinghall station to work out which school they go to is it? And starting their journey at Saltaire as well? Mmmm thats a tricky one.
Why not have 'roving' ticket collectors to hit the 'hot spots' at certain times of the day meeting the trains as they arrive. Ask a teacher to accompany them for a couple of days.
Silsden used to have 2 on the Leeds bound platform between 7.30 and 8.30 every morning.
It doesn't seem to be rocket science if school children are using Frizinghall station to work out which school they go to is it? And starting their journey at Saltaire as well? Mmmm thats a tricky one. Why not have 'roving' ticket collectors to hit the 'hot spots' at certain times of the day meeting the trains as they arrive. Ask a teacher to accompany them for a couple of days. Silsden used to have 2 on the Leeds bound platform between 7.30 and 8.30 every morning. DCarbz

2:10pm Thu 25 Apr 13

"get over it!" says...

I quite enjoy my weekly trip to Leeds on a Saturday night from Saltair.
Its always Free, its not fare dodging at all.
The ticket machine at Saltair is always broken, nobody on the train at night to buy a ticket off and when you get to leeds every ticket barrier is green and open late at night, you cant get a ticket even when trying. The train goes onto free vend late at night!
I dont know how they can even print that Saltair is the worst place for offending ! its because its the easiest!
I quite enjoy my weekly trip to Leeds on a Saturday night from Saltair. Its always Free, its not fare dodging at all. The ticket machine at Saltair is always broken, nobody on the train at night to buy a ticket off and when you get to leeds every ticket barrier is green and open late at night, you cant get a ticket even when trying. The train goes onto free vend late at night! I dont know how they can even print that Saltair is the worst place for offending ! its because its the easiest! "get over it!"

2:28pm Thu 25 Apr 13

dave - keighley says...

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
dave - keighley wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote: I will buy a ticket from the station if I get there in plenty of time, but if I get there close to the time of the train setting off I shall simply just board the train. I will pay for a ticket if the conductor comes down the train but I won't go out of my way to find a conductor if I haven't seen him before my stop. Many people probably do the same. Employ a few more conductors, there are plenty of people out of work.
By boarding a train at a manned station without a ticket you have already broken the law - no matter how late you are. Then to sit and wait for someone to come to you (even though it is their job) you are compounding your law breaking. It doesn't matter how many others do it - you are no better. You need to get to the station a bit earlier and allow time to buy the ticket like MOST people do.
Point me to the ticket machine at Crossflatts station please.
You stated "I will buy a ticket from the station if I get there in plenty of time, but if I get there close to the time of the train setting off I shall simply just board the train."

So I have to think that you are boarding at a manned station or one with a ticket machine otherwise you would never buy one.

Other than that I believe there is one but not having used Crossflatts for some time I could not confirm that.
[quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dave - keighley[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: I will buy a ticket from the station if I get there in plenty of time, but if I get there close to the time of the train setting off I shall simply just board the train. I will pay for a ticket if the conductor comes down the train but I won't go out of my way to find a conductor if I haven't seen him before my stop. Many people probably do the same. Employ a few more conductors, there are plenty of people out of work.[/p][/quote]By boarding a train at a manned station without a ticket you have already broken the law - no matter how late you are. Then to sit and wait for someone to come to you (even though it is their job) you are compounding your law breaking. It doesn't matter how many others do it - you are no better. You need to get to the station a bit earlier and allow time to buy the ticket like MOST people do.[/p][/quote]Point me to the ticket machine at Crossflatts station please.[/p][/quote]You stated "I will buy a ticket from the station if I get there in plenty of time, but if I get there close to the time of the train setting off I shall simply just board the train." So I have to think that you are boarding at a manned station or one with a ticket machine otherwise you would never buy one. Other than that I believe there is one but not having used Crossflatts for some time I could not confirm that. dave - keighley

7:50pm Thu 25 Apr 13

justjustice says...

Or the rail companies can INVEST in our railways!

I've not been on train for quiet some time, and it wasnt during peak hours, but even then the cost of the ticket way high and I didnt get a seat. So first of all the rail users want value for their money, not excuses for why they have to pay more!

Second, invest in a system similar to London's Oyster card. Make it a turnstyle entrance to all platforms and that you have to scan your card when enter and again when you leave. If you do not scan when leaving you are charged the max fee.

There are so many other things the railways companies can do, but it all needs REAL INVESTMENT! You have the money now make railway better!
Or the rail companies can INVEST in our railways! I've not been on train for quiet some time, and it wasnt during peak hours, but even then the cost of the ticket way high and I didnt get a seat. So first of all the rail users want value for their money, not excuses for why they have to pay more! Second, invest in a system similar to London's Oyster card. Make it a turnstyle entrance to all platforms and that you have to scan your card when enter and again when you leave. If you do not scan when leaving you are charged the max fee. There are so many other things the railways companies can do, but it all needs REAL INVESTMENT! You have the money now make railway better! justjustice

11:02pm Thu 25 Apr 13

Rambo says...

"get over it!" wrote:
I quite enjoy my weekly trip to Leeds on a Saturday night from Saltair.
Its always Free, its not fare dodging at all.
The ticket machine at Saltair is always broken, nobody on the train at night to buy a ticket off and when you get to leeds every ticket barrier is green and open late at night, you cant get a ticket even when trying. The train goes onto free vend late at night!
I dont know how they can even print that Saltair is the worst place for offending ! its because its the easiest!
Yup. Lived there for 3 years, commuted to Bradford everday. Half the time the machine was broken or didn't accept coins, then usually they didn't get around to selling tickets as it was so busy, and even at Bradford it was completely random as to wether anyone was checking tickets on arrival.

I bought tickets and passes but if all 3 of the above factors were in place I wasn't going to go into the ticket office on arrival at Bradford and pay for my journey.

And one time I remember an elderly couple getting on at Frizinghall going to Bradford, the conductor asked them where and from they were going. They said Frizinghall to Bradford and he said not to bother paying and let them off. So its not just teens who are responsible for dodging fares.
[quote][p][bold]"get over it!"[/bold] wrote: I quite enjoy my weekly trip to Leeds on a Saturday night from Saltair. Its always Free, its not fare dodging at all. The ticket machine at Saltair is always broken, nobody on the train at night to buy a ticket off and when you get to leeds every ticket barrier is green and open late at night, you cant get a ticket even when trying. The train goes onto free vend late at night! I dont know how they can even print that Saltair is the worst place for offending ! its because its the easiest![/p][/quote]Yup. Lived there for 3 years, commuted to Bradford everday. Half the time the machine was broken or didn't accept coins, then usually they didn't get around to selling tickets as it was so busy, and even at Bradford it was completely random as to wether anyone was checking tickets on arrival. I bought tickets and passes but if all 3 of the above factors were in place I wasn't going to go into the ticket office on arrival at Bradford and pay for my journey. And one time I remember an elderly couple getting on at Frizinghall going to Bradford, the conductor asked them where and from they were going. They said Frizinghall to Bradford and he said not to bother paying and let them off. So its not just teens who are responsible for dodging fares. Rambo

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