Bradford's Odeon could become another Westfield saga, says councillor (From Bradford Telegraph and Argus)

'Could'? It already is!

The leaders of Bradford and especially those on the council for the past 50 years are a bunch on incompetent buffoons. They have ruined this great city with their short term, I am only in it for me way of thinking.
They couldn't even save one of the city's most iconic buildings. They should hang their heads in shame. A pathetic bunch of losers.

Patrick Bateman wrote:
'Could'? It already is!

Correct!

This sloppy council dont have any ideas for which they are paid far too much. In the wealthy years they left everything on the to do list and now in the low time in the financial world they keep on referring to budget cuts!
The westfield,pot holesin the city, schools performances etc are all shambles.
Btw "Imdad Hussain" the sacked councillor from the labour party, never mind the public loosing trust in the council, it is clearly incompetent councillors like yourself included who bring the councill and the city into lime light. Everyone knows your record and you my friend should not stand as you will not be re-elected.
WAKE UP AND DO SOMETHING COLLECTIVELY FOR BRADFORD

All Negatives, I had better say I'm pleased so far on what I have seen and heard of this committee who I do feel have got the public heart on this building.
Hence the concluding para. above.

All the council had to do was add deadlines to the Weastfield contract, and if those were not met they would be issued heavy fines. This is what every other council does so why didnt Bradford?!

The council is at fault for trusting Westfield, it's a corporation it's main objective is profit, it was not profitable to build during the recession and they didnt, and there was nothign we could do about it cos there were deadline not any no fines which could be imposed!

The council should know this seeing as they ignored the people and businesses of the city and decided to add more paid parking in the city and ordered the ticket machines for it whilst at the same time agreeing to have a meeting to discuss the issue after already ordering them.
Whilst again at the same time increasing business rates.

Does this council really think it can make up for the lost economy of the city by driving away more businesses and shoppers?!

It's like a really bad plot, completely ruin the city, making property prices fall rock-bottom, but it all up and then develop it and make a killing.

Patrick Bateman wrote:
'Could'? It already is!

Thats what I thought.
It's been 12 years it's more a case of Westfield becoming an Odeon saga.

Pull it down & have done with it.

I hope this comment doesn't upset anyone, I don't want another warning Mrs D. lol :)

wobbley-bob wrote:
Pull it down & have done with it.

I hope this comment doesn't upset anyone, I don't want another warning Mrs D. lol :)

You been told off as well?

wobbley-bob wrote:
Pull it down & have done with it.

I hope this comment doesn't upset anyone, I don't want another warning Mrs D. lol :)

Yes of course Bob me.
:-)
PS, I have been a bad boy too.

Is this councillor on a wind up? Could become??

I've never come across a more inept, hamstrung bunch of politicians. No one has the courage to tackle this ongoing farce.

How long does it take to carry out a survey & put costings together?

No wonder Bradford is behind Leeds Wakefield & even Halifax in developing new city/town centre sites.

Barra Mac Ruari is paid £120k a year & has not brought a penny of private money into Bradford in the 5 years he has been in his job.

He was recruited from the hopeless Yorkshire Forward quango, which says it all.

Joedavid wrote:
All Negatives, I had better say I'm pleased so far on what I have seen and heard of this committee who I do feel have got the public heart on this building.
Hence the concluding para. above.

You say 'public' as though it has the majority vote.

This shambles has been 12 years in the making and is a longer running shambles than Westfield.

Too much reminiscence of the past for a building that is now way past its prime.
Do you actually live in Bradford?

Time to move on and put this building out of its misery, because throwing good money over bad is not something the city can afford to go further pear-shaped!

I am sick of tied about hearing about the Odean, in its time it was great but know its time to pull it down and build something in its place with out all the red tape and idiots wanting the Odean to stay there. There is no MONEY in Bradford and more and more places are closing down its time people got a grip and let it go.

I stated before the last council elections that this was the electorates chance to change the system and vote in people who wanted to advance the city. If people voted back in the old crowd nothing would change. You, the public, reelected most of the old crowd and yet you complain. Isn't the truth that the council is not to blame but the people that voted them in, even though they knew what sort of people they were. You reap what you sow!!

The majority it seems, want the odean to stay for many reasons and the main being the beautiful character of the building. The council have done a great job of knocking down most of the buildings in the city and lost what this city once had. Lets hope they can move swiftly and progress in any shape or form with the odeon. There is no focus or direction or has not been so far which I have seen. There are things which still keep the city alive and can do even better like the National Media Museum, Alhambra, The University, College, Haworth etc.
The right people in the correct shoes can take the city FORWARD!!!

Odeon...should be O Dear!

Shame on the blundering council and it's respective departments and consultants. Well done for a right c*ck up.

A dead person could do a better job of running Bradford!

Hund01 wrote:
The leaders of Bradford and especially those on the council for the past 50 years are a bunch on incompetent buffoons. They have ruined this great city with their short term, I am only in it for me way of thinking.
They couldn't even save one of the city's most iconic buildings. They should hang their heads in shame. A pathetic bunch of losers.

Losers alright. My language would have been more colourful.

Rambo wrote:

wobbley-bob wrote:
Pull it down & have done with it.

I hope this comment doesn't upset anyone, I don't want another warning Mrs D. lol :)

You been told off as well?

This keeps rolling on!
Nice to see the bad boys behaving today, Mrs B should be happy. ;-)
Rambo’ comment was well funny.

Knock it down.

Outraged English Subject wrote:

Rambo wrote:

wobbley-bob wrote:
Pull it down & have done with it.

I hope this comment doesn't upset anyone, I don't want another warning Mrs D. lol :)

You been told off as well?

This keeps rolling on!
Nice to see the bad boys behaving today, Mrs B should be happy. ;-)
Rambo’ comment was well funny.

Cheers. What gets me is I've probably said much worse over the years. From the looks of things someones just gone around and reported a load of us.

And as for Barra Mac, WHY IS HE STILL THERE? He probably can't even believe it himself...

George Galloway is still talking to some Arab Shaikhs........at the next elections he will be talking to the Prince of Brunei....:D

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:

Patrick Bateman wrote:
'Could'? It already is!

Thats what I thought.
It's been 12 years it's more a case of Westfield becoming an Odeon saga.

correct. Even the council don't know which projects were started first and still not finished. Odeon first, Westfield later.

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:

Patrick Bateman wrote:
'Could'? It already is!

Thats what I thought.
It's been 12 years it's more a case of Westfield becoming an Odeon saga.

correct. Even the council don't know which projects were started first and still not finished. Odeon first, Westfield later. And T & A just for your information, the pic of the Odeon is well out of date as the polythene wrapping has now been removed for health and safety reasons. Pay attention at the front now!

The Odeon was a beautiful building. But the time has come to let it go!
Dust to dust!

Face it! The council is so stupid it dreams that a pond in Bradford will fix things and bring all the big boys to play with us.

We needs to accept that Bradford City centre will never be great when it has Leeds and the new Trinity Shopping Centre overshadowing us.

Dear Council face the music and move on and stop spending Millions on stupid projects
Listers Mill - Westfield Sits - The pond. If you only spent all the millions on what we already had we could have had a fantastic city.

Barra's going to produce a report! Why? From what I remember Pickles has offered the council the building plus £100k. All the council has to do is invite people to submit business plans to make use of the building. The building will be given to the successful business plan - either Lee Craven or Bradford One - who will then be responsible for the renovation and maintenance of the building. The council just collects the business rates. Where's the problem?

Imagine what it must be like for the occupants of the buildings opposite, having to stare out of the windows at that gargoyle.

What Bradford is missing that a lot of other cities have is a prison. The Westfield site, Odeon buliding AND the Post Office buildings could be used for this purpose.

Lets face it, the Westfield Site is prepared already. Unconvicted prisoners on remand could use the Odeon and WALK to court. Convicted prisoners could WALK to either of the other two sites. Saving vital fuel and tax payers money.

However, these prisons should be no easy option. NO time off for good behaviour, but time added on for bad. Three years means three years if you behave, more if you dont.

A cell,food, bed and bedding would be a privilege, which is paid for by earning money by doing meaningful work. Those not prepared to do this would could occupy a 12 inch square vertical cell.

Such a scheme would bring valuable jobs to Bradford, and that would bring families and shoppers to the city centre. Win all round.

Get planning council.

Would anyone want to wager the situation is unchanged regarding Westfield by the end of the year.??

.

MontyLeMar wrote:
Barra's going to produce a report! Why? From what I remember Pickles has offered the council the building plus £100k. All the council has to do is invite people to submit business plans to make use of the building. The building will be given to the successful business plan - either Lee Craven or Bradford One - who will then be responsible for the renovation and maintenance of the building. The council just collects the business rates. Where's the problem?

And if no business plan is suitable the council can get the same people that did for the Shipley Glen Royal Cinema and demolish the shell and make some car parking for hard pressed shoppers.

The Council would never allow the common people use it; it would become a private gargoyle garage for the Council members in the Town Hall, who could stare out of the windows knowing their precious chariots are nice and safe. Or is that going to be the destiny for the pond.

last time i went to the odeon it was the gaumont and the odeon was in manchester road it cost 2/6d for the best seats (12.5p) times have changed i think the time has come to gut it BUT RETAIN THE FACADE after it is made safe and make a walk through area to whats left of a once thriving city anybody remember old bradford 50s/60s please email me

Rambo wrote:

Outraged English Subject wrote:

Rambo wrote:

wobbley-bob wrote:
Pull it down & have done with it.

I hope this comment doesn't upset anyone, I don't want another warning Mrs D. lol :)

You been told off as well?

This keeps rolling on!
Nice to see the bad boys behaving today, Mrs B should be happy. ;-)
Rambo’ comment was well funny.

Cheers. What gets me is I've probably said much worse over the years. From the looks of things someones just gone around and reported a load of us.

And as for Barra Mac, WHY IS HE STILL THERE? He probably can't even believe it himself...

I only told that Iftikar chap to change the record as his usual tripe about schools was getting beyond boring. :)

I want to know what David posted to 'upset' someone?

Mo Bradford wrote:
This sloppy council dont have any ideas for which they are paid far too much. In the wealthy years they left everything on the to do list and now in the low time in the financial world they keep on referring to budget cuts! The westfield,pot holesin the city, schools performances etc are all shambles. Btw "Imdad Hussain" the sacked councillor from the labour party, never mind the public loosing trust in the council, it is clearly incompetent councillors like yourself included who bring the councill and the city into lime light. Everyone knows your record and you my friend should not stand as you will not be re-elected. WAKE UP AND DO SOMETHING COLLECTIVELY FOR BRADFORD

Well said.

How Imdad Hussein has the audacity to insult the people he serves is beyond me.
He was elected as a labour man.

He is finally expunged from the labour party only after Galloway goes public with information about good old Imdad.

Good old labour was not even prepared to kick him out despite him having been banned as company director for 7 years for financial iregularities in the conduct of his company.

That company Claimwise Legal Services Ltd never filed any accounts from incorparation untill in the hands of the official receiver who discovered £80000 in transfers to his wifes bank account.

And the company had banked over half a million but drawn out over £800000.
The man had the audacity to stand in the Middlesbrough By Election on the "Peace" Party ticket.

No respect for the law ,I could say more but questions have to be asked how a man who has such a record deems himself fit for public office.

Who knows if the rumour that he served 5 years in his past is true?

And that his kids are constantly put forward as the trouble causers in crime in his family.

How can Bradfordians vote in for 4 years such a man.

He certainly will not resign.
Power and influence corrupts even further.

I would not trust this man as far as he could be thrown.And a few more lining up to support him in the councul who strangely bear the same name.

Shame to deflect from ther story on such disgusting politicians.

The Odeon could live.

O2 have supported financially other music venues of similar size,

Remember good old Bradford Council had the Alhambra scheduled in for demolition 25 years back.Then found £9 million to restore it to what it is today.

One of the most successfull theatres outside of London.

And that was some close vote as to whether the Alhambra was saved from becoming a car park.

When will they ever learn.
An Alhambra or Gaumont will stand the test of time far more than the sixties and seventies dross this city still has empty and unlettable remnants of and many buildings built way after this 30"s icon have felt the ball and hammer.

Provincial BS to name one,all the sixties dross bulldozed to form the Westfield Pit,old Yorkshire (formerly Huddersfield and Bradford)BS monstrosity,I could go on.

All very dated very ugly and no style or class.

The Gaumont has neither right now but could look absolutely spendid again a landmark for returning Bradfordians that see it and the Alhambra as epitomises the character of the city on first view as one approaches from the motorway network.

No dont get rid of the Odeon.Get rid of Imdad Hussein for sure.

wobbley-bob wrote:

Rambo wrote:

Outraged English Subject wrote:

Rambo wrote:

wobbley-bob wrote:
Pull it down & have done with it.

I hope this comment doesn't upset anyone, I don't want another warning Mrs D. lol :)

You been told off as well?

This keeps rolling on!
Nice to see the bad boys behaving today, Mrs B should be happy. ;-)
Rambo’ comment was well funny.

Cheers. What gets me is I've probably said much worse over the years. From the looks of things someones just gone around and reported a load of us.

And as for Barra Mac, WHY IS HE STILL THERE? He probably can't even believe it himself...

I only told that Iftikar chap to change the record as his usual tripe about schools was getting beyond boring. :)

I want to know what David posted to 'upset' someone?

Well, I did seem to liken him to a broken lavatory....

Why have they decided that the final decision must be taken by the full Council? That lot are no better than the Officers, as they recently showed when they dodged their responsibilities and refused to vote on Buck Lane. The Council will just find some way of kicking the whole issue into the long grass and the Odeon will continue to rot.

Bradford needs a radical overhaul with new management and new political structures. Without them we'll end up as England's Detroit.

alfucham wrote:

Mo Bradford wrote:
This sloppy council dont have any ideas for which they are paid far too much. In the wealthy years they left everything on the to do list and now in the low time in the financial world they keep on referring to budget cuts! The westfield,pot holesin the city, schools performances etc are all shambles. Btw "Imdad Hussain" the sacked councillor from the labour party, never mind the public loosing trust in the council, it is clearly incompetent councillors like yourself included who bring the councill and the city into lime light. Everyone knows your record and you my friend should not stand as you will not be re-elected. WAKE UP AND DO SOMETHING COLLECTIVELY FOR BRADFORD

Well said.

How Imdad Hussein has the audacity to insult the people he serves is beyond me.
He was elected as a labour man.

He is finally expunged from the labour party only after Galloway goes public with information about good old Imdad.

Good old labour was not even prepared to kick him out despite him having been banned as company director for 7 years for financial iregularities in the conduct of his company.

That company Claimwise Legal Services Ltd never filed any accounts from incorparation untill in the hands of the official receiver who discovered £80000 in transfers to his wifes bank account.

And the company had banked over half a million but drawn out over £800000.
The man had the audacity to stand in the Middlesbrough By Election on the "Peace" Party ticket.

No respect for the law ,I could say more but questions have to be asked how a man who has such a record deems himself fit for public office.

Who knows if the rumour that he served 5 years in his past is true?

And that his kids are constantly put forward as the trouble causers in crime in his family.

How can Bradfordians vote in for 4 years such a man.

He certainly will not resign.
Power and influence corrupts even further.

I would not trust this man as far as he could be thrown.And a few more lining up to support him in the councul who strangely bear the same name.

Shame to deflect from ther story on such disgusting politicians.

The Odeon could live.

O2 have supported financially other music venues of similar size,

Remember good old Bradford Council had the Alhambra scheduled in for demolition 25 years back.Then found £9 million to restore it to what it is today.

One of the most successfull theatres outside of London.

And that was some close vote as to whether the Alhambra was saved from becoming a car park.

When will they ever learn.
An Alhambra or Gaumont will stand the test of time far more than the sixties and seventies dross this city still has empty and unlettable remnants of and many buildings built way after this 30"s icon have felt the ball and hammer.

Provincial BS to name one,all the sixties dross bulldozed to form the Westfield Pit,old Yorkshire (formerly Huddersfield and Bradford)BS monstrosity,I could go on.

All very dated very ugly and no style or class.

The Gaumont has neither right now but could look absolutely spendid again a landmark for returning Bradfordians that see it and the Alhambra as epitomises the character of the city on first view as one approaches from the motorway network.

No dont get rid of the Odeon.Get rid of Imdad Hussein for sure.

How are these councillors selected. Going By the above comments it's worrying to know that potential crimes or criminals could be just ignored and passed about as local leaders for years.

I think alfucham needs to get a job as a reporter for the Telegraph as he's controversial.

Not so simple wrote:

alfucham wrote:

Mo Bradford wrote: This sloppy council dont have any ideas for which they are paid far too much. In the wealthy years they left everything on the to do list and now in the low time in the financial world they keep on referring to budget cuts! The westfield,pot holesin the city, schools performances etc are all shambles. Btw "Imdad Hussain" the sacked councillor from the labour party, never mind the public loosing trust in the council, it is clearly incompetent councillors like yourself included who bring the councill and the city into lime light. Everyone knows your record and you my friend should not stand as you will not be re-elected. WAKE UP AND DO SOMETHING COLLECTIVELY FOR BRADFORD

Well said. How Imdad Hussein has the audacity to insult the people he serves is beyond me. He was elected as a labour man. He is finally expunged from the labour party only after Galloway goes public with information about good old Imdad. Good old labour was not even prepared to kick him out despite him having been banned as company director for 7 years for financial iregularities in the conduct of his company. That company Claimwise Legal Services Ltd never filed any accounts from incorparation untill in the hands of the official receiver who discovered £80000 in transfers to his wifes bank account. And the company had banked over half a million but drawn out over £800000. The man had the audacity to stand in the Middlesbrough By Election on the "Peace" Party ticket. No respect for the law ,I could say more but questions have to be asked how a man who has such a record deems himself fit for public office. Who knows if the rumour that he served 5 years in his past is true? And that his kids are constantly put forward as the trouble causers in crime in his family. How can Bradfordians vote in for 4 years such a man. He certainly will not resign. Power and influence corrupts even further. I would not trust this man as far as he could be thrown.And a few more lining up to support him in the councul who strangely bear the same name. Shame to deflect from ther story on such disgusting politicians. The Odeon could live. O2 have supported financially other music venues of similar size, Remember good old Bradford Council had the Alhambra scheduled in for demolition 25 years back.Then found £9 million to restore it to what it is today. One of the most successfull theatres outside of London. And that was some close vote as to whether the Alhambra was saved from becoming a car park. When will they ever learn. An Alhambra or Gaumont will stand the test of time far more than the sixties and seventies dross this city still has empty and unlettable remnants of and many buildings built way after this 30"s icon have felt the ball and hammer. Provincial BS to name one,all the sixties dross bulldozed to form the Westfield Pit,old Yorkshire (formerly Huddersfield and Bradford)BS monstrosity,I could go on. All very dated very ugly and no style or class. The Gaumont has neither right now but could look absolutely spendid again a landmark for returning Bradfordians that see it and the Alhambra as epitomises the character of the city on first view as one approaches from the motorway network. No dont get rid of the Odeon.Get rid of Imdad Hussein for sure.

How are these councillors selected. Going By the above comments it's worrying to know that potential crimes or criminals could be just ignored and passed about as local leaders for years. I think alfucham needs to get a job as a reporter for the Telegraph as he's controversial.

I go on what I am told by this newspaper in reporting fact about his failed company and note the police or official receivers office failed to take the correct course.

He should have been charged.

Funny how political parties who stand to have great dollops of mud slung round their ears can influence as to who is charged and properly investigated and those that are not.

MP expenses scandal a few token scapegoats who were put up as sacrificial lambs,their crimes no more nor less than many others,but whose value to their party had become indifferent.Case of Ian Gibson Norwich MP not reselected and drummed out of the party.Why ?Because he was an outspoken anti Iraq war dissdent within Labour Ranks a thorn in the parties side.

But they will tolerate this man as he was able to steal the asian vote in Heaton.And even though knowing of his wrongdoing tolerate him further so as not to give Labour a bad name.

I go on what Asian members of the community tell me.
People that have grown up with him.
It makes for very unpleasant listening to hear that our once proud city could be in the hands of people so corrupt it would make 30"s Chicago Al Capone et al seem like a stroll in the park.

The stories I am hearing are truly unbelievable.

The Asian vote changed to Galloway more as a consequence of the vast majority of law abiding asians feeling sick of all that behaviour with drugs at its core.

It leaves me feeling sick that Bradfordians in their apathy to vote have allowed these disgraceful excuses for humanity to ever step into power.

May is not that far away.

Vote wisely

Johnny Mnemonic wrote:
George Galloway is still talking to some Arab Shaikhs........at the next elections he will be talking to the Prince of Brunei....:D

Sems too busy down the smoke demonstrating on Oxford Street and flying"t flag for Viva Palestine and all other non Bradfordian matters.

Think he would struiggle to make much difference things have stooped so low.

Perhaps He"s realised the hopelessness of it all summed up by a retired bus driver as our current leader of"t council who superceded a retired bin man on 50 grand a year voted out in May but for years of failure is decorated in the New Years Honours with CBE.

Does that stand for Crucified Bradford Enormously.

He managed to get his multi million pound cycle bridge and route from East to West Bowling to the City through though.

Anyone dare to cycle in the accident whiplash capital of britain?

To work in the City.Where daily all the jobs and firms are closing.

They must be off their nelly.

Thats the problem when its not their brass but yours and mine their squandering.

Better than driving"t bus eh.

Last I heard Galloway was planning to apply for In the Jungle Get me out of Here with Ant and Dec.

Its relocating from Oz to Bradford

Lets turn odeon into a safe heaven for addicts and hookers. How can a woman prostitue justfie rape when she consented to s ex but never got paid. That poor indivaual should have been charged for criminal offence not rape.
Why dont the council or police tackle dirty prostitue on our street,

Idea to house then locally ie the odeon

thruth9211 wrote:
Lets turn odeon into a safe heaven for addicts and hookers. How can a woman prostitue justfie rape when she consented to s ex but never got paid. That poor indivaual should have been charged for criminal offence not rape.
Why dont the council or police tackle dirty prostitue on our street,

Idea to house then locally ie the odeon

You could always ask your community leaders to do something about it's members selling them drugs, which is the root cause of the problem...

Usual illiterate, barely understandable drivel from you.

thruth9211 are you saying prostitutes should not have the protection of the law?
Are you saying that raping young women is not a criminal offence?

Usually prostitutes are doing it because a dealer has caused them to be addicted to heroin just so they have a supply chain.

How ignorant you actually are.

Would you still say that if it was your daughter out on those scary crime ridden streets?

Usually the addicts who turn to prostitution are there because they are not criminally minded and therefore won't rob or steal from innocent people.

I'd say out of all the dealers and addicts the prostitutes are the most honest.

"thruth9211" You’re nauseating and vile!

Outraged English Subject wrote:
"thruth9211" You’re nauseating and vile!

We agree on this sir.

thruth9211 wrote:
Lets turn odeon into a safe heaven for addicts and hookers. How can a woman prostitue justfie rape when she consented to s ex but never got paid. That poor indivaual should have been charged for criminal offence not rape.
Why dont the council or police tackle dirty prostitue on our street,

Idea to house then locally ie the odeon

lol what a Nob

BierleyBoy wrote:
Is this councillor on a wind up? Could become??

I've never come across a more inept, hamstrung bunch of politicians. No one has the courage to tackle this ongoing farce.

How long does it take to carry out a survey & put costings together?

No wonder Bradford is behind Leeds Wakefield & even Halifax in developing new city/town centre sites.

Barra Mac Ruari is paid £120k a year & has not brought a penny of private money into Bradford in the 5 years he has been in his job.

He was recruited from the hopeless Yorkshire Forward quango, which says it all.

Doesn't this man have an annual appraisal, for which he has been set performance targets? I'll bet that Council employees on much lower salaries do. If he doesn't it's a scandal, considering his well paid salary is from public funds. If he does, why is he still employed by the Council, considering his non-achievement in this City?

Pull the Odeon down. Its gone on for too long, nobody interested in putting money into Bradford.

sorrow&anger wrote:
Why have they decided that the final decision must be taken by the full Council? That lot are no better than the Officers, as they recently showed when they dodged their responsibilities and refused to vote on Buck Lane. The Council will just find some way of kicking the whole issue into the long grass and the Odeon will continue to rot. Bradford needs a radical overhaul with new management and new political structures. Without them we'll end up as England's Detroit.

It is a real worry that the Council will just find a way to stall things. They clearly have no will or imagination to make the Odeon into the iconic music venue that the building should be, even if all that was left are the two towers. The Odeon is an obvious challenge that any reasonable bunch of councillors anywhere else would seize upon as a great opportunity. But ours appear to have no genuine enthusiasm, just hollow words. Can they for once try and do what is best for the overall good of Bradford and stop concentrating solely on their local electorate?

I don;t care what Mrs thingy say's pull the eyesore down before it fall's down it's a waste of space.
Then pull down the Town hall with the cronie's in it we won't miss them