West Bowling estate signs up for new green scheme

Bradford Telegraph and Argus: Yasser Taj outside his home in Newill Close which also boasts solar panels to produce electricity Yasser Taj outside his home in Newill Close which also boasts solar panels to produce electricity

A Bradford estate is to become the first in the country to benefit from a scheme to make homes greener.

Hundreds of residents in Parkside, West Bowling, have signed up to the Government’s Green Deal – announced this week to help people ‘stay warm for less’.

Households can fund improvements such as insulation, heating systems and double glazing using loans paid back over periods of up to 25 years through savings made on their bills.

Parkside Residents’ Association discussed the advantages of the scheme for the homes which were built in the 1950s using poured concrete and have no cavity walls and so suffer from condensation. A pilot project began last year and now work to transform the estate has begun.

“Parkside is going to be the first Green Deal estate in the country,” said association chairman Yassar Taj, whose home was the first to benefit as part of the pilot scheme.

“We are trying to do this as a community rather than individuals, so we get a good deal.

“In my home the walls lost so much heat and on some we couldn’t put up units due to the amount of moisture. Wallpaper was peeling off too, and mould brings health risks.”

Since the work, which involved cladding and rendering outside walls, his home has been warmer and he is using less energy to heat it.

Mr Taj said: “It has made a real difference. Normally, we have our heating thermostat on seven, but now we have it on three or four. We are all now looking forward to having cosier homes.”

The majority of those living on the 400-home estate have signed up, as have those in some adjacent terraced homes.

James Kahn, of the Leeds-based Green Deal Warehouse which is carrying out the work, said: “It will save energy and bring jobs to the region, as we have work which will last years.”

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8:04am Wed 30 Jan 13

thatsnotmyname says...

Not sure about this scheme. Interest rate of 8% and you have to pass on the loan to the new owners if you move house.
Not sure about this scheme. Interest rate of 8% and you have to pass on the loan to the new owners if you move house. thatsnotmyname

9:28am Wed 30 Jan 13

Cooperlane2 says...

I'm sure the public purse will pay out when the savings don't match the payments
I'm sure the public purse will pay out when the savings don't match the payments Cooperlane2

11:55am Wed 30 Jan 13

Not so simple says...

Put it frankly I cannot see the solar panels lasting longer then 20 years max. The efficiency of the panel tends to deteriorate as each year goes by. So in essence the panel will be around 40-60 less efficient in 15 years time, meaning reduced yields in power output.
Put it frankly I cannot see the solar panels lasting longer then 20 years max. The efficiency of the panel tends to deteriorate as each year goes by. So in essence the panel will be around 40-60 less efficient in 15 years time, meaning reduced yields in power output. Not so simple

12:35pm Wed 30 Jan 13

MyleftPenguin says...

You are right, solar panels do become less efficient over time, but not by anything like the figures you claim.
You are right, solar panels do become less efficient over time, but not by anything like the figures you claim. MyleftPenguin

4:26pm Wed 30 Jan 13

johnhem says...

they must think we are all green if they expect us to pay interest at 8/9%.
they must think we are all green if they expect us to pay interest at 8/9%. johnhem

5:38pm Wed 30 Jan 13

Outraged English Subject says...

The Interest rate is a scandal. I’m sure I read somewhere that in Scotland you can apply for a ten thousand pound maximum loan, payable over ten years, interest free for home improvements.
The Interest rate is a scandal. I’m sure I read somewhere that in Scotland you can apply for a ten thousand pound maximum loan, payable over ten years, interest free for home improvements. Outraged English Subject

7:14pm Wed 30 Jan 13

Not so simple says...

MyleftPenguin wrote:
You are right, solar panels do become less efficient over time, but not by anything like the figures you claim.
You forget the rechargeable storage batteries and inverters. These need replacing and servicing on a regular basis. If you do not replace then the efficiencies are much less.

Secondly, the interest rate is far too high, should be subsidised as its reducing the countries carbon footprint.

Re the carbon footprint....I bet you a pint that an awful lot of energy and resources,along with pollution and toxics are created in the mining for the minerals/ingredients and the manufacturing process...let alone the shipping/transportat
ion impacts.

Poorly thought out and being rushed unnecessarily upon households with the impression of saing money long term.

We will wait and see as we will ultimately be the taxpayers bailing this rushed scheme out.

Also alternatives such as wind power; American studies have shown the standard wind turbines tend to warm the atmosphere and cause irregular weather patterns....think about it for your self. When you turn on a fan..it pulls down cooler air and replaces it with low level warmer air. Just a thought.
[quote][p][bold]MyleftPenguin[/bold] wrote: You are right, solar panels do become less efficient over time, but not by anything like the figures you claim.[/p][/quote]You forget the rechargeable storage batteries and inverters. These need replacing and servicing on a regular basis. If you do not replace then the efficiencies are much less. Secondly, the interest rate is far too high, should be subsidised as its reducing the countries carbon footprint. Re the carbon footprint....I bet you a pint that an awful lot of energy and resources,along with pollution and toxics are created in the mining for the minerals/ingredients and the manufacturing process...let alone the shipping/transportat ion impacts. Poorly thought out and being rushed unnecessarily upon households with the impression of saing money long term. We will wait and see as we will ultimately be the taxpayers bailing this rushed scheme out. Also alternatives such as wind power; American studies have shown the standard wind turbines tend to warm the atmosphere and cause irregular weather patterns....think about it for your self. When you turn on a fan..it pulls down cooler air and replaces it with low level warmer air. Just a thought. Not so simple

8:11pm Wed 30 Jan 13

porkfat says...

Not so simple wrote:
Put it frankly I cannot see the solar panels lasting longer then 20 years max. The efficiency of the panel tends to deteriorate as each year goes by. So in essence the panel will be around 40-60 less efficient in 15 years time, meaning reduced yields in power output.
They are guaranteed to perform 90% of max for 10 years and no less than 80% upto 25 years. There is nothing mucho go wrong with them.
[quote][p][bold]Not so simple[/bold] wrote: Put it frankly I cannot see the solar panels lasting longer then 20 years max. The efficiency of the panel tends to deteriorate as each year goes by. So in essence the panel will be around 40-60 less efficient in 15 years time, meaning reduced yields in power output.[/p][/quote]They are guaranteed to perform 90% of max for 10 years and no less than 80% upto 25 years. There is nothing mucho go wrong with them. porkfat

8:15pm Wed 30 Jan 13

porkfat says...

Not so simple wrote:
MyleftPenguin wrote:
You are right, solar panels do become less efficient over time, but not by anything like the figures you claim.
You forget the rechargeable storage batteries and inverters. These need replacing and servicing on a regular basis. If you do not replace then the efficiencies are much less.

Secondly, the interest rate is far too high, should be subsidised as its reducing the countries carbon footprint.

Re the carbon footprint....I bet you a pint that an awful lot of energy and resources,along with pollution and toxics are created in the mining for the minerals/ingredients and the manufacturing process...let alone the shipping/transportat

ion impacts.

Poorly thought out and being rushed unnecessarily upon households with the impression of saing money long term.

We will wait and see as we will ultimately be the taxpayers bailing this rushed scheme out.

Also alternatives such as wind power; American studies have shown the standard wind turbines tend to warm the atmosphere and cause irregular weather patterns....think about it for your self. When you turn on a fan..it pulls down cooler air and replaces it with low level warmer air. Just a thought.
These systems are grid tied, therefore no storage batteries to worry about. If you don't use the electricity (and you probably won't if you have a job) it exports back The national grid. Inverter will need replacing in approx 15 years with a new one cost approx £800. Get your facts right my friend
[quote][p][bold]Not so simple[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MyleftPenguin[/bold] wrote: You are right, solar panels do become less efficient over time, but not by anything like the figures you claim.[/p][/quote]You forget the rechargeable storage batteries and inverters. These need replacing and servicing on a regular basis. If you do not replace then the efficiencies are much less. Secondly, the interest rate is far too high, should be subsidised as its reducing the countries carbon footprint. Re the carbon footprint....I bet you a pint that an awful lot of energy and resources,along with pollution and toxics are created in the mining for the minerals/ingredients and the manufacturing process...let alone the shipping/transportat ion impacts. Poorly thought out and being rushed unnecessarily upon households with the impression of saing money long term. We will wait and see as we will ultimately be the taxpayers bailing this rushed scheme out. Also alternatives such as wind power; American studies have shown the standard wind turbines tend to warm the atmosphere and cause irregular weather patterns....think about it for your self. When you turn on a fan..it pulls down cooler air and replaces it with low level warmer air. Just a thought.[/p][/quote]These systems are grid tied, therefore no storage batteries to worry about. If you don't use the electricity (and you probably won't if you have a job) it exports back The national grid. Inverter will need replacing in approx 15 years with a new one cost approx £800. Get your facts right my friend porkfat

8:36pm Thu 31 Jan 13

Not so simple says...

porkfat wrote:
Not so simple wrote:
MyleftPenguin wrote:
You are right, solar panels do become less efficient over time, but not by anything like the figures you claim.
You forget the rechargeable storage batteries and inverters. These need replacing and servicing on a regular basis. If you do not replace then the efficiencies are much less.

Secondly, the interest rate is far too high, should be subsidised as its reducing the countries carbon footprint.

Re the carbon footprint....I bet you a pint that an awful lot of energy and resources,along with pollution and toxics are created in the mining for the minerals/ingredients and the manufacturing process...let alone the shipping/transportat


ion impacts.

Poorly thought out and being rushed unnecessarily upon households with the impression of saing money long term.

We will wait and see as we will ultimately be the taxpayers bailing this rushed scheme out.

Also alternatives such as wind power; American studies have shown the standard wind turbines tend to warm the atmosphere and cause irregular weather patterns....think about it for your self. When you turn on a fan..it pulls down cooler air and replaces it with low level warmer air. Just a thought.
These systems are grid tied, therefore no storage batteries to worry about. If you don't use the electricity (and you probably won't if you have a job) it exports back The national grid. Inverter will need replacing in approx 15 years with a new one cost approx £800. Get your facts right my friend
Time will reveal all.
[quote][p][bold]porkfat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Not so simple[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MyleftPenguin[/bold] wrote: You are right, solar panels do become less efficient over time, but not by anything like the figures you claim.[/p][/quote]You forget the rechargeable storage batteries and inverters. These need replacing and servicing on a regular basis. If you do not replace then the efficiencies are much less. Secondly, the interest rate is far too high, should be subsidised as its reducing the countries carbon footprint. Re the carbon footprint....I bet you a pint that an awful lot of energy and resources,along with pollution and toxics are created in the mining for the minerals/ingredients and the manufacturing process...let alone the shipping/transportat ion impacts. Poorly thought out and being rushed unnecessarily upon households with the impression of saing money long term. We will wait and see as we will ultimately be the taxpayers bailing this rushed scheme out. Also alternatives such as wind power; American studies have shown the standard wind turbines tend to warm the atmosphere and cause irregular weather patterns....think about it for your self. When you turn on a fan..it pulls down cooler air and replaces it with low level warmer air. Just a thought.[/p][/quote]These systems are grid tied, therefore no storage batteries to worry about. If you don't use the electricity (and you probably won't if you have a job) it exports back The national grid. Inverter will need replacing in approx 15 years with a new one cost approx £800. Get your facts right my friend[/p][/quote]Time will reveal all. Not so simple

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