"More than 200 raids in Bradford carried out by UK Border Agency"

First published in News Bradford Telegraph and Argus: Photograph of the Author by , Bradford Chief Reporter

More than 200 raids have taken place in Bradford by the UK Border Agency (UKBA) in the last three years at factories, restaurants, nursing homes and car washes where workers were thought to be employed illegally.

Those arrested included NHS Hospital staff, along with workers in offices and petrol stations, factories and private nursing or care homes.

Information obtained by the Telegraph & Argus under the Freedom of Information Act showed that from October, 2009, to September, 2012, 254 raids were carried out resulting in 217 arrests. The amount of deportations has not been revealed, or the amount of prosecutions, and the UKBA would not exactly say where the raids were carried out.

From October, 2009, to September 2011, 47 home visits were made, four visits involving hospital staff, seven at private nursing and care homes, 62 at restaurants and takeaways and 35 were at small shops or supermarkets.

A statement by Robert Arnott, the director of Performance and Compliance at the UKBA, said that disclosing where the raids took place could lead to employers withdrawing their co-operation.

He said: “Not all employers who employ people without the right to work do so deliberately, eg when workers have presented fake documentation, therefore we need to ensure that employers feel able to report their concerns to us in confidence without fearing that their details will be placed in the public domain.

“Without this co-operation it would reduce the number of illegal workers apprehended.

“Illegal working enforcement visits can be as a result of allegations made by the public, from other Government departments, private companies, employers and intelligence gathered during the course of other enforcement activity. The UKBA analyses all intelligence received as to whether there are grounds to commence a proactive, illegal working enforcement visit, based on the seriousness of the intelligence and current operational priorities, nationally, regionally and locally.”

The latest figures come after the T&A exclusively revealed last month that five Bradford businesses owing £28,750 in fines were named and shamed by the UKBA which then revealed that 70 raids have taken place across the district resulting in 69 arrests from October, 2011, to September, 2012.

They included 70 enforcement visits including at the Steak Out Grill House, in Sticker Lane, Bradford, Ahmed Halal Meat, on Lilycroft Road, Chicking, on Manningham Lane, Dhoom Design, on White Abbey Road, and Kash Takeaway, on Leeds Road. From October, 2009, to September, 2010, there were 101 enforcement visits, resulting in 93 arrests, and from October 2010 to September 2011 there were 83 visits with 55 arrests.

Anyone who suspects illegal workers are being employed at a business can call Crimestoppers on 0800 555 111 or visit the UKBA at ukba. homeoffice. gov. uk/ aboutus/contact/report-crime.

In 2011 the agency served 1,100 penalty notices on employers, collecting £7 million in fines – up £600,000 on the previous year.

A Bradford Teaching Hospitals NHS Foundation Trust spokesman said: “We can confirm there have been no hospital raids at the Foundation Trust.

“We carry out rigorous ID and right-to-work checks in line with NHS employers checking standards and border agency guidelines.

“The Border Agency confirmed our status as an A-Rated sponsor in December 2012.”

A spokesman for the Airedale NHS Foundation Trust said it fully complied with all NHS employment check standards in the appointment and ongoing employment of all individuals it employed.

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9:08am Mon 21 Jan 13

Superdoo says...

Seems like there's one of these car washes on the end of every street nowadays. Last one I visited, not one person could speak English and they communicated by pointing. And they say humanity is evolving.......
Seems like there's one of these car washes on the end of every street nowadays. Last one I visited, not one person could speak English and they communicated by pointing. And they say humanity is evolving....... Superdoo
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9:31am Mon 21 Jan 13

Carlos the Tackle says...

Raids, arrests, fines but no mention of the total number of deportations.
Raids, arrests, fines but no mention of the total number of deportations. Carlos the Tackle
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10:04am Mon 21 Jan 13

johnhem says...

thats not even 4 a week. whats up with 2/3 a DAY? get on top of it!!!!
thats not even 4 a week. whats up with 2/3 a DAY? get on top of it!!!! johnhem
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10:10am Mon 21 Jan 13

nowt fresh says...

Carlos the Tackle wrote:
Raids, arrests, fines but no mention of the total number of deportations.
They will claim if they are sent back they will get tortured for their kebab recipes..!!
[quote][p][bold]Carlos the Tackle[/bold] wrote: Raids, arrests, fines but no mention of the total number of deportations.[/p][/quote]They will claim if they are sent back they will get tortured for their kebab recipes..!! nowt fresh
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10:35am Mon 21 Jan 13

collos25 says...

I wonder how they get into the UK in the first place its as though they check all people who are allowed into the UK and let all those who are not into the UK with open arms.You cannot blame the people once they are here in the UK for wanting to work they have to live somehow,it has to be bad in their own country to want to come to the UK.
I wonder how they get into the UK in the first place its as though they check all people who are allowed into the UK and let all those who are not into the UK with open arms.You cannot blame the people once they are here in the UK for wanting to work they have to live somehow,it has to be bad in their own country to want to come to the UK. collos25
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10:38am Mon 21 Jan 13

Albion. says...

Shoot 'em.
Shoot 'em. Albion.
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10:44am Mon 21 Jan 13

ANY WHERE BUT HERE says...

Has anybody seen border force, You never ever see anybody getting deported, they just plead with them not to work or abscond. Which they do promptly, the border(FORCE!) is a absolute waste of cash.
For each firm that gets caught employing these they fine them 5/10 thousand. which almost's never ever gets paid.
The curry house,takeaway simply changes name thus the business that got fined no longer exists.
Border agecny = WASTE!
Has anybody seen border force, You never ever see anybody getting deported, they just plead with them not to work or abscond. Which they do promptly, the border(FORCE!) is a absolute waste of cash. For each firm that gets caught employing these they fine them 5/10 thousand. which almost's never ever gets paid. The curry house,takeaway simply changes name thus the business that got fined no longer exists. Border agecny = WASTE! ANY WHERE BUT HERE
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10:59am Mon 21 Jan 13

SinnerSaint says...

It would be interesting to see how this compares with other similar sized cities. Perhaps this is yet another issue that Bradford tops the statistics tables as with our friends who think that car insurance doesn't apply to them.
It would be interesting to see how this compares with other similar sized cities. Perhaps this is yet another issue that Bradford tops the statistics tables as with our friends who think that car insurance doesn't apply to them. SinnerSaint
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11:25am Mon 21 Jan 13

Tollerboy says...

Careful Albion!
You'll be getting yourself arrested.
Careful Albion! You'll be getting yourself arrested. Tollerboy
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11:41am Mon 21 Jan 13

Bone_idle18 says...

A lot of these people will be exploited and paid a pittance. I doubt they lead the life they envisaged in the UK.
A lot of these people will be exploited and paid a pittance. I doubt they lead the life they envisaged in the UK. Bone_idle18
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11:52am Mon 21 Jan 13

collos25 says...

Albion. wrote:
Shoot 'em.
What an idiot
[quote][p][bold]Albion.[/bold] wrote: Shoot 'em.[/p][/quote]What an idiot collos25
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12:00pm Mon 21 Jan 13

nowt fresh says...

Bone_idle18 wrote:
A lot of these people will be exploited and paid a pittance. I doubt they lead the life they envisaged in the UK.
And your point is ????
They have entered this country illegally is that O/K with you, when thousands of other people wanting to enter this country do it through the correct channels..!!
[quote][p][bold]Bone_idle18[/bold] wrote: A lot of these people will be exploited and paid a pittance. I doubt they lead the life they envisaged in the UK.[/p][/quote]And your point is ???? They have entered this country illegally is that O/K with you, when thousands of other people wanting to enter this country do it through the correct channels..!! nowt fresh
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12:05pm Mon 21 Jan 13

Albion. says...

collos25 wrote:
Albion. wrote:
Shoot 'em.
What an idiot
It would solve the problem, these raids are just a token gesture to justify the existence and earnings of those who arrange them, as is this press release.
If there aren't going to be more severe penalties and the people caught aren't held in custody until those penalties are carried out, the raids are pretty pointless.
[quote][p][bold]collos25[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion.[/bold] wrote: Shoot 'em.[/p][/quote]What an idiot[/p][/quote]It would solve the problem, these raids are just a token gesture to justify the existence and earnings of those who arrange them, as is this press release. If there aren't going to be more severe penalties and the people caught aren't held in custody until those penalties are carried out, the raids are pretty pointless. Albion.
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12:15pm Mon 21 Jan 13

Bone_idle18 says...

nowt fresh wrote:
Bone_idle18 wrote:
A lot of these people will be exploited and paid a pittance. I doubt they lead the life they envisaged in the UK.
And your point is ????
They have entered this country illegally is that O/K with you, when thousands of other people wanting to enter this country do it through the correct channels..!!
I didn't say that, I'm just saying that they're exploited, they should still be sent home, we'd be doing most of them a favour.

The employers need to be dealt with more severely though, and there needs to be a way to stop companies closing and reopeneing to avoid fines etc. It's a loophole that needs to be closed, and not just for this situation, but also for Empire/sonic type situations.
[quote][p][bold]nowt fresh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bone_idle18[/bold] wrote: A lot of these people will be exploited and paid a pittance. I doubt they lead the life they envisaged in the UK.[/p][/quote]And your point is ???? They have entered this country illegally is that O/K with you, when thousands of other people wanting to enter this country do it through the correct channels..!![/p][/quote]I didn't say that, I'm just saying that they're exploited, they should still be sent home, we'd be doing most of them a favour. The employers need to be dealt with more severely though, and there needs to be a way to stop companies closing and reopeneing to avoid fines etc. It's a loophole that needs to be closed, and not just for this situation, but also for Empire/sonic type situations. Bone_idle18
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12:53pm Mon 21 Jan 13

Not so simple says...

The places that employ or hide these illegals should be named and shamed. It's about time the people knew which businesses were fair and support the country and which were unfair by undercutting its competition unfairly.

Then again there are EU directives which state that we UK employers can bring in EU workers and pay them the rates of the home state they came from. For example I Beleive that some of the companies used to build the Trafford centre and Meadowhall employed "legalised cheap labour and paid less wages ( compared with UK minimum wages and this was done legally).

Again double standards. Punish the poor guy who gets into the UK to support his family and works his way out. Then let off and encourage big business to bring in legalised aliens for do our jobs cheaply. Remeber the fiasco of an oil refinery where all cheap European labour worked? Maybe we've forgotten as it was over two years ago!
The places that employ or hide these illegals should be named and shamed. It's about time the people knew which businesses were fair and support the country and which were unfair by undercutting its competition unfairly. Then again there are EU directives which state that we UK employers can bring in EU workers and pay them the rates of the home state they came from. For example I Beleive that some of the companies used to build the Trafford centre and Meadowhall employed "legalised cheap labour and paid less wages ( compared with UK minimum wages and this was done legally). Again double standards. Punish the poor guy who gets into the UK to support his family and works his way out. Then let off and encourage big business to bring in legalised aliens for do our jobs cheaply. Remeber the fiasco of an oil refinery where all cheap European labour worked? Maybe we've forgotten as it was over two years ago! Not so simple
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12:53pm Mon 21 Jan 13

nowt fresh says...

Bone_idle18 wrote:
nowt fresh wrote:
Bone_idle18 wrote: A lot of these people will be exploited and paid a pittance. I doubt they lead the life they envisaged in the UK.
And your point is ???? They have entered this country illegally is that O/K with you, when thousands of other people wanting to enter this country do it through the correct channels..!!
I didn't say that, I'm just saying that they're exploited, they should still be sent home, we'd be doing most of them a favour. The employers need to be dealt with more severely though, and there needs to be a way to stop companies closing and reopeneing to avoid fines etc. It's a loophole that needs to be closed, and not just for this situation, but also for Empire/sonic type situations.
Let's be honest Bone_idle18 the authorities are on a hiding to nowt with these illegalls,when they get arrested they (I assume) are sent to a detention centre to await their trail and then wreck the place, got to agree with Carlos the Tackle comment why no immediate deportations,caught with either no paper work or false paper work they should be on the next plane home but we all know that will never be the case because of the PC brigade..!!
[quote][p][bold]Bone_idle18[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nowt fresh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bone_idle18[/bold] wrote: A lot of these people will be exploited and paid a pittance. I doubt they lead the life they envisaged in the UK.[/p][/quote]And your point is ???? They have entered this country illegally is that O/K with you, when thousands of other people wanting to enter this country do it through the correct channels..!![/p][/quote]I didn't say that, I'm just saying that they're exploited, they should still be sent home, we'd be doing most of them a favour. The employers need to be dealt with more severely though, and there needs to be a way to stop companies closing and reopeneing to avoid fines etc. It's a loophole that needs to be closed, and not just for this situation, but also for Empire/sonic type situations.[/p][/quote]Let's be honest Bone_idle18 the authorities are on a hiding to nowt with these illegalls,when they get arrested they (I assume) are sent to a detention centre to await their trail and then wreck the place, got to agree with Carlos the Tackle comment why no immediate deportations,caught with either no paper work or false paper work they should be on the next plane home but we all know that will never be the case because of the PC brigade..!! nowt fresh
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1:29pm Mon 21 Jan 13

supergreenie says...

what is the point to this story
immigration is out of control and the authorities have no will power to sort and make the decisions everybody is crying out for - UKIP has got to be given a chance
what is the point to this story immigration is out of control and the authorities have no will power to sort and make the decisions everybody is crying out for - UKIP has got to be given a chance supergreenie
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1:55pm Mon 21 Jan 13

loftyme says...

collos25 wrote:
I wonder how they get into the UK in the first place its as though they check all people who are allowed into the UK and let all those who are not into the UK with open arms.You cannot blame the people once they are here in the UK for wanting to work they have to live somehow,it has to be bad in their own country to want to come to the UK.
Most get into the country on legit visa's, well the ones from Africa that is, they get a student visa for a legit course in the UK, usually for 2 years, they then sack the course, and disappear into the system, with a legit NI number, so they get a job in a different city to the one they are supposed to be studying in, i have personally helped catch 9 over-stayers now, locally here in Bradford over the last 5 years, there are absolutely thousands working here in the UK, they are very hard to find, they have NI numbers, bank accounts, married have kids,the works, no immediate deportation either, as I said most have family's after a couple of years and dependents, a lot actually get a indefinite stay stamp in their passports after their immigration solicitor sorts it :)
[quote][p][bold]collos25[/bold] wrote: I wonder how they get into the UK in the first place its as though they check all people who are allowed into the UK and let all those who are not into the UK with open arms.You cannot blame the people once they are here in the UK for wanting to work they have to live somehow,it has to be bad in their own country to want to come to the UK.[/p][/quote]Most get into the country on legit visa's, well the ones from Africa that is, they get a student visa for a legit course in the UK, usually for 2 years, they then sack the course, and disappear into the system, with a legit NI number, so they get a job in a different city to the one they are supposed to be studying in, i have personally helped catch 9 over-stayers now, locally here in Bradford over the last 5 years, there are absolutely thousands working here in the UK, they are very hard to find, they have NI numbers, bank accounts, married have kids,the works, no immediate deportation either, as I said most have family's after a couple of years and dependents, a lot actually get a indefinite stay stamp in their passports after their immigration solicitor sorts it :) loftyme
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2:03pm Mon 21 Jan 13

vikksy says...

illegals are given bail, then they disappear again
illegals are given bail, then they disappear again vikksy
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2:36pm Mon 21 Jan 13

RollandSmoke says...

They come here believing that there is a demand for labour that is willing to work for less than the minimum wage. It is the employers that have given this impression and with the number of people struggling to find a job it is a disgrace that these employers are still allowed to remain in business and profit from this exploitation. Up the fines and wherever possible give out some jail time to those employers who flout the rules
They come here believing that there is a demand for labour that is willing to work for less than the minimum wage. It is the employers that have given this impression and with the number of people struggling to find a job it is a disgrace that these employers are still allowed to remain in business and profit from this exploitation. Up the fines and wherever possible give out some jail time to those employers who flout the rules RollandSmoke
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2:48pm Mon 21 Jan 13

loftyme says...

Also a lot of employers do not carry out basic checks during the recruitment process, so illegals are employed with normal jobs, paying NI and Tax in the normal way, they can work somewhere for years, one i found in Huddersfield had been here for 22 years, was a grandad!!,had a full set of dependents.
Also a lot of employers do not carry out basic checks during the recruitment process, so illegals are employed with normal jobs, paying NI and Tax in the normal way, they can work somewhere for years, one i found in Huddersfield had been here for 22 years, was a grandad!!,had a full set of dependents. loftyme
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3:07pm Mon 21 Jan 13

OLDLAD says...

This is exactly why, like most of europe, we should have a national identity card.
This is exactly why, like most of europe, we should have a national identity card. OLDLAD
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3:23pm Mon 21 Jan 13

Albion. says...

RollandSmoke wrote:
They come here believing that there is a demand for labour that is willing to work for less than the minimum wage. It is the employers that have given this impression and with the number of people struggling to find a job it is a disgrace that these employers are still allowed to remain in business and profit from this exploitation. Up the fines and wherever possible give out some jail time to those employers who flout the rules
While that might be true, you also have to consider the guy in the national papers last week, he is getting £15,000 a year and has refused every job that he has been offered, whatever his personal circumstances are, that can't be right. When interviewed he said "you people are too soft"! Word soon gets around.
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: They come here believing that there is a demand for labour that is willing to work for less than the minimum wage. It is the employers that have given this impression and with the number of people struggling to find a job it is a disgrace that these employers are still allowed to remain in business and profit from this exploitation. Up the fines and wherever possible give out some jail time to those employers who flout the rules[/p][/quote]While that might be true, you also have to consider the guy in the national papers last week, he is getting £15,000 a year and has refused every job that he has been offered, whatever his personal circumstances are, that can't be right. When interviewed he said "you people are too soft"! Word soon gets around. Albion.
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3:37pm Mon 21 Jan 13

Not so simple says...

RollandSmoke wrote:
They come here believing that there is a demand for labour that is willing to work for less than the minimum wage. It is the employers that have given this impression and with the number of people struggling to find a job it is a disgrace that these employers are still allowed to remain in business and profit from this exploitation. Up the fines and wherever possible give out some jail time to those employers who flout the rules
They've seen our politicians milking it so they have only joined the float.
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: They come here believing that there is a demand for labour that is willing to work for less than the minimum wage. It is the employers that have given this impression and with the number of people struggling to find a job it is a disgrace that these employers are still allowed to remain in business and profit from this exploitation. Up the fines and wherever possible give out some jail time to those employers who flout the rules[/p][/quote]They've seen our politicians milking it so they have only joined the float. Not so simple
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3:38pm Mon 21 Jan 13

Not so simple says...

collos25 wrote:
Albion. wrote:
Shoot 'em.
What an idiot
What an idiot alright
[quote][p][bold]collos25[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion.[/bold] wrote: Shoot 'em.[/p][/quote]What an idiot[/p][/quote]What an idiot alright Not so simple
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4:00pm Mon 21 Jan 13

Iftikhar says...

The problem is the human penchant for nationalism, poisoned with religion, on this tiny planet. If the whole world was properly organised one could live anywhere. A large majority of so called British are descendants of immigrants. Immigration is needed but we need to copy how America does it, They only allow the brightest and the best in where we let everyone in. The question was asked, why do the local people not do the jobs these migrant workers come to do, no one could answer ! But we all know why.........I think having a diverse society is a fantastic thing, and something Britain should be proud of. If the immigrants are sent home who pick the crops? The locals won't! You need to go to Australia and Newzeland and ask about the native about British immigrant and listen what they say. No panic guys. It took a thousand years of steady invasion from the Romans to the Normans to build up the vibrant population of English in the East of the country (those invaders added to the existing British and Celts who did not flee to Wales). Historians look back at that as unsettled times. The more immigrant come to UK the more diverse the country becomes. Surely that's a good thing. A historian who has forgotten that the Norman invasion may have led to todays' UK, but it was a disaster for the population of England (and later Britain) at the time - ask the Saxons if they thought the Norman takeover was a good idea!


Why complain when it’s the British who first migrated into other lands enslaving those people? When it is a question on immigration, the feelings are so strong. I wonder why. Serves you right! Britain! When the British colonised the world, it was ok. But now when people from the former colonies and from other countries come to Britain, its not ok? Look into history and then you can cry because what goes around comes around. Don't see why people have such a problem with mass immigration? It enriches our culture and boosts the economy! We have to stop looking at these people as immigrants and think of them as human beings.The immigrants are not to blame because they were invited and welcomed here by our successive government. We have quite large Spanish , French and Italian communities in Brighton and I believe it really enhances the place and adds to diversity of the City. Globalisation is here to stay. Britain colonised & some would say civilised half the world. It's called Karma. Not so long ago British people colonized Asia, living like kings while locals suffering to no end. At least, these migrants do not enslave the Britons, so stop whining please.

Just get your facts straight before you start ranting about how the country is filled with 'immigrants'. Why doesn't anyone complain about the millions of brits moving abroad every year eh? what would Britain do without all this work force? coz it looks like brits are too good to do a lot of the jobs and prefer getting their lives paid for by the government? everyone on this planet has the right to live a comfortable live WHEREVER they want. you can't blame people for being hungry and craving for the life they deserve just because some rich guys placing borders wherever they like? If you sent all the immigrants back this country would grind to a halt because they do all the horrible jobs that our unemployed wont do. They don't realise the reason there are so many migrant workers is the locals don't want to get their hands dirty by doing menial hard work, whereas the East Europeans are happy to do it. 5 million Brits live permanently abroad as foreigners, and many also as migrant workers. British women have a low fertility rate of about 1.89 per woman, which means naturally born Brits are not having enough children to replace the generations. Don't see why people have such a problem with mass immigration? It enriches our culture and boosts the economy! Britain is a modern, dynamic, fascinating and multicultural country, if you are a selfish intolerant bigot then feel free to go somewhere else and leave the rest of us in peace.

Actually, 97% of Eastern-European immigrants are in full-time employment. Also, there are thousands of Romanians and Bulgarians who are already in the country. Majority of immigrants from these countries came here after 1 January 2007 when both countries became EU members. Immigrants have legal rights to work as a self-employed or, if their partner is a self-employed, they could have an unlimited access to the job market with Blue card. So, the truth is not exactly what the politicians tell you. Cameron cannot stop Romanians' and Bulgarians' free access to the job market from 1 January 2014. The problem is that Cameron has to make budget cuts - civil servants, remember - and he is trying to distract public attention from real issues in the country. I have few friends that work as civil servants - they do not even know what job they suppose to do, but are paid between 30 and 50 grands and have 2 months annual paid leave. This has happened before, mass illegal immigration from Europe. But back then the immigrants were easily identifiable because they came over in long ships and wore horns on their hats, and gave names to parts of Lincolnshire like 'Danelaw' and similar. They took land, and jobs, and skewed the local economy in their favour, and historians refer to that period as the Viking invasion. Fact is, Europeans like it here and have done for millennia. A problem for local farmers who rely on foreign workers to pick produce because local workers don't want to put the hours in and also in the ladies business sector - social care where a large proportion of workers are also foreign as in the hotel industry. Often hospitality companies offer zero hour contracts which in my area immigrants from Ghana often fill because they are more flexible. What's the solution - stop immigration and risk staff shortages and empty veg shelves in supermarkets and bums going unwiped in care homes - I don't know. There are often unforeseen effects. The reason there are a lot of immigrants in Lincoln is because of the royal farmlands that need cheap labour for the Royal profits.
Iftikhar Ahmad
London School of Islamics Trust
http://www.londonsch
oolofislamics.org.uk
The problem is the human penchant for nationalism, poisoned with religion, on this tiny planet. If the whole world was properly organised one could live anywhere. A large majority of so called British are descendants of immigrants. Immigration is needed but we need to copy how America does it, They only allow the brightest and the best in where we let everyone in. The question was asked, why do the local people not do the jobs these migrant workers come to do, no one could answer ! But we all know why.........I think having a diverse society is a fantastic thing, and something Britain should be proud of. If the immigrants are sent home who pick the crops? The locals won't! You need to go to Australia and Newzeland and ask about the native about British immigrant and listen what they say. No panic guys. It took a thousand years of steady invasion from the Romans to the Normans to build up the vibrant population of English in the East of the country (those invaders added to the existing British and Celts who did not flee to Wales). Historians look back at that as unsettled times. The more immigrant come to UK the more diverse the country becomes. Surely that's a good thing. A historian who has forgotten that the Norman invasion may have led to todays' UK, but it was a disaster for the population of England (and later Britain) at the time - ask the Saxons if they thought the Norman takeover was a good idea! Why complain when it’s the British who first migrated into other lands enslaving those people? When it is a question on immigration, the feelings are so strong. I wonder why. Serves you right! Britain! When the British colonised the world, it was ok. But now when people from the former colonies and from other countries come to Britain, its not ok? Look into history and then you can cry because what goes around comes around. Don't see why people have such a problem with mass immigration? It enriches our culture and boosts the economy! We have to stop looking at these people as immigrants and think of them as human beings.The immigrants are not to blame because they were invited and welcomed here by our successive government. We have quite large Spanish , French and Italian communities in Brighton and I believe it really enhances the place and adds to diversity of the City. Globalisation is here to stay. Britain colonised & some would say civilised half the world. It's called Karma. Not so long ago British people colonized Asia, living like kings while locals suffering to no end. At least, these migrants do not enslave the Britons, so stop whining please. Just get your facts straight before you start ranting about how the country is filled with 'immigrants'. Why doesn't anyone complain about the millions of brits moving abroad every year eh? what would Britain do without all this work force? coz it looks like brits are too good to do a lot of the jobs and prefer getting their lives paid for by the government? everyone on this planet has the right to live a comfortable live WHEREVER they want. you can't blame people for being hungry and craving for the life they deserve just because some rich guys placing borders wherever they like? If you sent all the immigrants back this country would grind to a halt because they do all the horrible jobs that our unemployed wont do. They don't realise the reason there are so many migrant workers is the locals don't want to get their hands dirty by doing menial hard work, whereas the East Europeans are happy to do it. 5 million Brits live permanently abroad as foreigners, and many also as migrant workers. British women have a low fertility rate of about 1.89 per woman, which means naturally born Brits are not having enough children to replace the generations. Don't see why people have such a problem with mass immigration? It enriches our culture and boosts the economy! Britain is a modern, dynamic, fascinating and multicultural country, if you are a selfish intolerant bigot then feel free to go somewhere else and leave the rest of us in peace. Actually, 97% of Eastern-European immigrants are in full-time employment. Also, there are thousands of Romanians and Bulgarians who are already in the country. Majority of immigrants from these countries came here after 1 January 2007 when both countries became EU members. Immigrants have legal rights to work as a self-employed or, if their partner is a self-employed, they could have an unlimited access to the job market with Blue card. So, the truth is not exactly what the politicians tell you. Cameron cannot stop Romanians' and Bulgarians' free access to the job market from 1 January 2014. The problem is that Cameron has to make budget cuts - civil servants, remember - and he is trying to distract public attention from real issues in the country. I have few friends that work as civil servants - they do not even know what job they suppose to do, but are paid between 30 and 50 grands and have 2 months annual paid leave. This has happened before, mass illegal immigration from Europe. But back then the immigrants were easily identifiable because they came over in long ships and wore horns on their hats, and gave names to parts of Lincolnshire like 'Danelaw' and similar. They took land, and jobs, and skewed the local economy in their favour, and historians refer to that period as the Viking invasion. Fact is, Europeans like it here and have done for millennia. A problem for local farmers who rely on foreign workers to pick produce because local workers don't want to put the hours in and also in the ladies business sector - social care where a large proportion of workers are also foreign as in the hotel industry. Often hospitality companies offer zero hour contracts which in my area immigrants from Ghana often fill because they are more flexible. What's the solution - stop immigration and risk staff shortages and empty veg shelves in supermarkets and bums going unwiped in care homes - I don't know. There are often unforeseen effects. The reason there are a lot of immigrants in Lincoln is because of the royal farmlands that need cheap labour for the Royal profits. Iftikhar Ahmad London School of Islamics Trust http://www.londonsch oolofislamics.org.uk Iftikhar
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4:07pm Mon 21 Jan 13

Albion. says...

"if you are a selfish intolerant bigot then feel free to go somewhere else and leave the rest of us in peace."
That's quite a statement from you Ifti! What with your stance on Muslim only Schools and separatism.
"if you are a selfish intolerant bigot then feel free to go somewhere else and leave the rest of us in peace." That's quite a statement from you Ifti! What with your stance on Muslim only Schools and separatism. Albion.
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4:10pm Mon 21 Jan 13

RollandSmoke says...

Albion. wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
They come here believing that there is a demand for labour that is willing to work for less than the minimum wage. It is the employers that have given this impression and with the number of people struggling to find a job it is a disgrace that these employers are still allowed to remain in business and profit from this exploitation. Up the fines and wherever possible give out some jail time to those employers who flout the rules
While that might be true, you also have to consider the guy in the national papers last week, he is getting £15,000 a year and has refused every job that he has been offered, whatever his personal circumstances are, that can't be right. When interviewed he said "you people are too soft"! Word soon gets around.
Whilst a figure of £15,000 seems a lot for one person to be getting I would suggest that the amount allocated for him personally will be much less with the bulk of that amount igoing straight in to the hands of a private landlord who is profiteering from the fact that there isn't enough social housing to go around and the government having a legal obligation to provide support for housing. The fact that this takes the overall figure higher than he could realistically expect to earn in today's climate is something that the politicians are failing to address when talking about making work pay. Yes word gets round about the genuine scroungers as the media tries to give the impression that the problem is much more widespread than it is. Without a full transcript of the interview it is impossible to know the context of this mans quote. I know many who receive benefits due to disabilities who would argue that the treatment they receive from the DWP is anything but soft and for them there is no means of escape as the thumbscrews tighten. Casual observers should refrain from judging by appearance.
[quote][p][bold]Albion.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: They come here believing that there is a demand for labour that is willing to work for less than the minimum wage. It is the employers that have given this impression and with the number of people struggling to find a job it is a disgrace that these employers are still allowed to remain in business and profit from this exploitation. Up the fines and wherever possible give out some jail time to those employers who flout the rules[/p][/quote]While that might be true, you also have to consider the guy in the national papers last week, he is getting £15,000 a year and has refused every job that he has been offered, whatever his personal circumstances are, that can't be right. When interviewed he said "you people are too soft"! Word soon gets around.[/p][/quote]Whilst a figure of £15,000 seems a lot for one person to be getting I would suggest that the amount allocated for him personally will be much less with the bulk of that amount igoing straight in to the hands of a private landlord who is profiteering from the fact that there isn't enough social housing to go around and the government having a legal obligation to provide support for housing. The fact that this takes the overall figure higher than he could realistically expect to earn in today's climate is something that the politicians are failing to address when talking about making work pay. Yes word gets round about the genuine scroungers as the media tries to give the impression that the problem is much more widespread than it is. Without a full transcript of the interview it is impossible to know the context of this mans quote. I know many who receive benefits due to disabilities who would argue that the treatment they receive from the DWP is anything but soft and for them there is no means of escape as the thumbscrews tighten. Casual observers should refrain from judging by appearance. RollandSmoke
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4:26pm Mon 21 Jan 13

Albion. says...

RollandSmoke wrote:
Albion. wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
They come here believing that there is a demand for labour that is willing to work for less than the minimum wage. It is the employers that have given this impression and with the number of people struggling to find a job it is a disgrace that these employers are still allowed to remain in business and profit from this exploitation. Up the fines and wherever possible give out some jail time to those employers who flout the rules
While that might be true, you also have to consider the guy in the national papers last week, he is getting £15,000 a year and has refused every job that he has been offered, whatever his personal circumstances are, that can't be right. When interviewed he said "you people are too soft"! Word soon gets around.
Whilst a figure of £15,000 seems a lot for one person to be getting I would suggest that the amount allocated for him personally will be much less with the bulk of that amount igoing straight in to the hands of a private landlord who is profiteering from the fact that there isn't enough social housing to go around and the government having a legal obligation to provide support for housing. The fact that this takes the overall figure higher than he could realistically expect to earn in today's climate is something that the politicians are failing to address when talking about making work pay. Yes word gets round about the genuine scroungers as the media tries to give the impression that the problem is much more widespread than it is. Without a full transcript of the interview it is impossible to know the context of this mans quote. I know many who receive benefits due to disabilities who would argue that the treatment they receive from the DWP is anything but soft and for them there is no means of escape as the thumbscrews tighten. Casual observers should refrain from judging by appearance.
And the "private landlord" might well be his cousin or another immigrant from the same origin.
I didn't judge by the way, I simply pointed out what was written (I apologise for getting the amount wrong, it was fourteen thousand).
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: They come here believing that there is a demand for labour that is willing to work for less than the minimum wage. It is the employers that have given this impression and with the number of people struggling to find a job it is a disgrace that these employers are still allowed to remain in business and profit from this exploitation. Up the fines and wherever possible give out some jail time to those employers who flout the rules[/p][/quote]While that might be true, you also have to consider the guy in the national papers last week, he is getting £15,000 a year and has refused every job that he has been offered, whatever his personal circumstances are, that can't be right. When interviewed he said "you people are too soft"! Word soon gets around.[/p][/quote]Whilst a figure of £15,000 seems a lot for one person to be getting I would suggest that the amount allocated for him personally will be much less with the bulk of that amount igoing straight in to the hands of a private landlord who is profiteering from the fact that there isn't enough social housing to go around and the government having a legal obligation to provide support for housing. The fact that this takes the overall figure higher than he could realistically expect to earn in today's climate is something that the politicians are failing to address when talking about making work pay. Yes word gets round about the genuine scroungers as the media tries to give the impression that the problem is much more widespread than it is. Without a full transcript of the interview it is impossible to know the context of this mans quote. I know many who receive benefits due to disabilities who would argue that the treatment they receive from the DWP is anything but soft and for them there is no means of escape as the thumbscrews tighten. Casual observers should refrain from judging by appearance.[/p][/quote]And the "private landlord" might well be his cousin or another immigrant from the same origin. I didn't judge by the way, I simply pointed out what was written (I apologise for getting the amount wrong, it was fourteen thousand). Albion.
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5:32pm Mon 21 Jan 13

SinnerSaint says...

Iftikhar wrote:
The problem is the human penchant for nationalism, poisoned with religion, on this tiny planet. If the whole world was properly organised one could live anywhere. A large majority of so called British are descendants of immigrants. Immigration is needed but we need to copy how America does it, They only allow the brightest and the best in where we let everyone in. The question was asked, why do the local people not do the jobs these migrant workers come to do, no one could answer ! But we all know why.........I think having a diverse society is a fantastic thing, and something Britain should be proud of. If the immigrants are sent home who pick the crops? The locals won't! You need to go to Australia and Newzeland and ask about the native about British immigrant and listen what they say. No panic guys. It took a thousand years of steady invasion from the Romans to the Normans to build up the vibrant population of English in the East of the country (those invaders added to the existing British and Celts who did not flee to Wales). Historians look back at that as unsettled times. The more immigrant come to UK the more diverse the country becomes. Surely that's a good thing. A historian who has forgotten that the Norman invasion may have led to todays' UK, but it was a disaster for the population of England (and later Britain) at the time - ask the Saxons if they thought the Norman takeover was a good idea!


Why complain when it’s the British who first migrated into other lands enslaving those people? When it is a question on immigration, the feelings are so strong. I wonder why. Serves you right! Britain! When the British colonised the world, it was ok. But now when people from the former colonies and from other countries come to Britain, its not ok? Look into history and then you can cry because what goes around comes around. Don't see why people have such a problem with mass immigration? It enriches our culture and boosts the economy! We have to stop looking at these people as immigrants and think of them as human beings.The immigrants are not to blame because they were invited and welcomed here by our successive government. We have quite large Spanish , French and Italian communities in Brighton and I believe it really enhances the place and adds to diversity of the City. Globalisation is here to stay. Britain colonised & some would say civilised half the world. It's called Karma. Not so long ago British people colonized Asia, living like kings while locals suffering to no end. At least, these migrants do not enslave the Britons, so stop whining please.

Just get your facts straight before you start ranting about how the country is filled with 'immigrants'. Why doesn't anyone complain about the millions of brits moving abroad every year eh? what would Britain do without all this work force? coz it looks like brits are too good to do a lot of the jobs and prefer getting their lives paid for by the government? everyone on this planet has the right to live a comfortable live WHEREVER they want. you can't blame people for being hungry and craving for the life they deserve just because some rich guys placing borders wherever they like? If you sent all the immigrants back this country would grind to a halt because they do all the horrible jobs that our unemployed wont do. They don't realise the reason there are so many migrant workers is the locals don't want to get their hands dirty by doing menial hard work, whereas the East Europeans are happy to do it. 5 million Brits live permanently abroad as foreigners, and many also as migrant workers. British women have a low fertility rate of about 1.89 per woman, which means naturally born Brits are not having enough children to replace the generations. Don't see why people have such a problem with mass immigration? It enriches our culture and boosts the economy! Britain is a modern, dynamic, fascinating and multicultural country, if you are a selfish intolerant bigot then feel free to go somewhere else and leave the rest of us in peace.

Actually, 97% of Eastern-European immigrants are in full-time employment. Also, there are thousands of Romanians and Bulgarians who are already in the country. Majority of immigrants from these countries came here after 1 January 2007 when both countries became EU members. Immigrants have legal rights to work as a self-employed or, if their partner is a self-employed, they could have an unlimited access to the job market with Blue card. So, the truth is not exactly what the politicians tell you. Cameron cannot stop Romanians' and Bulgarians' free access to the job market from 1 January 2014. The problem is that Cameron has to make budget cuts - civil servants, remember - and he is trying to distract public attention from real issues in the country. I have few friends that work as civil servants - they do not even know what job they suppose to do, but are paid between 30 and 50 grands and have 2 months annual paid leave. This has happened before, mass illegal immigration from Europe. But back then the immigrants were easily identifiable because they came over in long ships and wore horns on their hats, and gave names to parts of Lincolnshire like 'Danelaw' and similar. They took land, and jobs, and skewed the local economy in their favour, and historians refer to that period as the Viking invasion. Fact is, Europeans like it here and have done for millennia. A problem for local farmers who rely on foreign workers to pick produce because local workers don't want to put the hours in and also in the ladies business sector - social care where a large proportion of workers are also foreign as in the hotel industry. Often hospitality companies offer zero hour contracts which in my area immigrants from Ghana often fill because they are more flexible. What's the solution - stop immigration and risk staff shortages and empty veg shelves in supermarkets and bums going unwiped in care homes - I don't know. There are often unforeseen effects. The reason there are a lot of immigrants in Lincoln is because of the royal farmlands that need cheap labour for the Royal profits.
Iftikhar Ahmad
London School of Islamics Trust
http://www.londonsch

oolofislamics.org.uk
That's just the problem - everybody DOESN'T have a right to travel or work wherever they like. There are laws in this country that control it and they are there for a variety of good reasons.

I know that some members of a certain community don't think the laws of this country apply to them and from reading your text above you seem to agree with that.

There are laws in this country and they are made to be respected - BY EVERYONE.
[quote][p][bold]Iftikhar[/bold] wrote: The problem is the human penchant for nationalism, poisoned with religion, on this tiny planet. If the whole world was properly organised one could live anywhere. A large majority of so called British are descendants of immigrants. Immigration is needed but we need to copy how America does it, They only allow the brightest and the best in where we let everyone in. The question was asked, why do the local people not do the jobs these migrant workers come to do, no one could answer ! But we all know why.........I think having a diverse society is a fantastic thing, and something Britain should be proud of. If the immigrants are sent home who pick the crops? The locals won't! You need to go to Australia and Newzeland and ask about the native about British immigrant and listen what they say. No panic guys. It took a thousand years of steady invasion from the Romans to the Normans to build up the vibrant population of English in the East of the country (those invaders added to the existing British and Celts who did not flee to Wales). Historians look back at that as unsettled times. The more immigrant come to UK the more diverse the country becomes. Surely that's a good thing. A historian who has forgotten that the Norman invasion may have led to todays' UK, but it was a disaster for the population of England (and later Britain) at the time - ask the Saxons if they thought the Norman takeover was a good idea! Why complain when it’s the British who first migrated into other lands enslaving those people? When it is a question on immigration, the feelings are so strong. I wonder why. Serves you right! Britain! When the British colonised the world, it was ok. But now when people from the former colonies and from other countries come to Britain, its not ok? Look into history and then you can cry because what goes around comes around. Don't see why people have such a problem with mass immigration? It enriches our culture and boosts the economy! We have to stop looking at these people as immigrants and think of them as human beings.The immigrants are not to blame because they were invited and welcomed here by our successive government. We have quite large Spanish , French and Italian communities in Brighton and I believe it really enhances the place and adds to diversity of the City. Globalisation is here to stay. Britain colonised & some would say civilised half the world. It's called Karma. Not so long ago British people colonized Asia, living like kings while locals suffering to no end. At least, these migrants do not enslave the Britons, so stop whining please. Just get your facts straight before you start ranting about how the country is filled with 'immigrants'. Why doesn't anyone complain about the millions of brits moving abroad every year eh? what would Britain do without all this work force? coz it looks like brits are too good to do a lot of the jobs and prefer getting their lives paid for by the government? everyone on this planet has the right to live a comfortable live WHEREVER they want. you can't blame people for being hungry and craving for the life they deserve just because some rich guys placing borders wherever they like? If you sent all the immigrants back this country would grind to a halt because they do all the horrible jobs that our unemployed wont do. They don't realise the reason there are so many migrant workers is the locals don't want to get their hands dirty by doing menial hard work, whereas the East Europeans are happy to do it. 5 million Brits live permanently abroad as foreigners, and many also as migrant workers. British women have a low fertility rate of about 1.89 per woman, which means naturally born Brits are not having enough children to replace the generations. Don't see why people have such a problem with mass immigration? It enriches our culture and boosts the economy! Britain is a modern, dynamic, fascinating and multicultural country, if you are a selfish intolerant bigot then feel free to go somewhere else and leave the rest of us in peace. Actually, 97% of Eastern-European immigrants are in full-time employment. Also, there are thousands of Romanians and Bulgarians who are already in the country. Majority of immigrants from these countries came here after 1 January 2007 when both countries became EU members. Immigrants have legal rights to work as a self-employed or, if their partner is a self-employed, they could have an unlimited access to the job market with Blue card. So, the truth is not exactly what the politicians tell you. Cameron cannot stop Romanians' and Bulgarians' free access to the job market from 1 January 2014. The problem is that Cameron has to make budget cuts - civil servants, remember - and he is trying to distract public attention from real issues in the country. I have few friends that work as civil servants - they do not even know what job they suppose to do, but are paid between 30 and 50 grands and have 2 months annual paid leave. This has happened before, mass illegal immigration from Europe. But back then the immigrants were easily identifiable because they came over in long ships and wore horns on their hats, and gave names to parts of Lincolnshire like 'Danelaw' and similar. They took land, and jobs, and skewed the local economy in their favour, and historians refer to that period as the Viking invasion. Fact is, Europeans like it here and have done for millennia. A problem for local farmers who rely on foreign workers to pick produce because local workers don't want to put the hours in and also in the ladies business sector - social care where a large proportion of workers are also foreign as in the hotel industry. Often hospitality companies offer zero hour contracts which in my area immigrants from Ghana often fill because they are more flexible. What's the solution - stop immigration and risk staff shortages and empty veg shelves in supermarkets and bums going unwiped in care homes - I don't know. There are often unforeseen effects. The reason there are a lot of immigrants in Lincoln is because of the royal farmlands that need cheap labour for the Royal profits. Iftikhar Ahmad London School of Islamics Trust http://www.londonsch oolofislamics.org.uk[/p][/quote]That's just the problem - everybody DOESN'T have a right to travel or work wherever they like. There are laws in this country that control it and they are there for a variety of good reasons. I know that some members of a certain community don't think the laws of this country apply to them and from reading your text above you seem to agree with that. There are laws in this country and they are made to be respected - BY EVERYONE. SinnerSaint
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5:49pm Mon 21 Jan 13

The Hoffster says...

^^^

Islamophobe.
^^^ Islamophobe. The Hoffster
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5:49pm Mon 21 Jan 13

nowt fresh says...

SinnerSaint wrote:
Iftikhar wrote: The problem is the human penchant for nationalism, poisoned with religion, on this tiny planet. If the whole world was properly organised one could live anywhere. A large majority of so called British are descendants of immigrants. Immigration is needed but we need to copy how America does it, They only allow the brightest and the best in where we let everyone in. The question was asked, why do the local people not do the jobs these migrant workers come to do, no one could answer ! But we all know why.........I think having a diverse society is a fantastic thing, and something Britain should be proud of. If the immigrants are sent home who pick the crops? The locals won't! You need to go to Australia and Newzeland and ask about the native about British immigrant and listen what they say. No panic guys. It took a thousand years of steady invasion from the Romans to the Normans to build up the vibrant population of English in the East of the country (those invaders added to the existing British and Celts who did not flee to Wales). Historians look back at that as unsettled times. The more immigrant come to UK the more diverse the country becomes. Surely that's a good thing. A historian who has forgotten that the Norman invasion may have led to todays' UK, but it was a disaster for the population of England (and later Britain) at the time - ask the Saxons if they thought the Norman takeover was a good idea! Why complain when it’s the British who first migrated into other lands enslaving those people? When it is a question on immigration, the feelings are so strong. I wonder why. Serves you right! Britain! When the British colonised the world, it was ok. But now when people from the former colonies and from other countries come to Britain, its not ok? Look into history and then you can cry because what goes around comes around. Don't see why people have such a problem with mass immigration? It enriches our culture and boosts the economy! We have to stop looking at these people as immigrants and think of them as human beings.The immigrants are not to blame because they were invited and welcomed here by our successive government. We have quite large Spanish , French and Italian communities in Brighton and I believe it really enhances the place and adds to diversity of the City. Globalisation is here to stay. Britain colonised & some would say civilised half the world. It's called Karma. Not so long ago British people colonized Asia, living like kings while locals suffering to no end. At least, these migrants do not enslave the Britons, so stop whining please. Just get your facts straight before you start ranting about how the country is filled with 'immigrants'. Why doesn't anyone complain about the millions of brits moving abroad every year eh? what would Britain do without all this work force? coz it looks like brits are too good to do a lot of the jobs and prefer getting their lives paid for by the government? everyone on this planet has the right to live a comfortable live WHEREVER they want. you can't blame people for being hungry and craving for the life they deserve just because some rich guys placing borders wherever they like? If you sent all the immigrants back this country would grind to a halt because they do all the horrible jobs that our unemployed wont do. They don't realise the reason there are so many migrant workers is the locals don't want to get their hands dirty by doing menial hard work, whereas the East Europeans are happy to do it. 5 million Brits live permanently abroad as foreigners, and many also as migrant workers. British women have a low fertility rate of about 1.89 per woman, which means naturally born Brits are not having enough children to replace the generations. Don't see why people have such a problem with mass immigration? It enriches our culture and boosts the economy! Britain is a modern, dynamic, fascinating and multicultural country, if you are a selfish intolerant bigot then feel free to go somewhere else and leave the rest of us in peace. Actually, 97% of Eastern-European immigrants are in full-time employment. Also, there are thousands of Romanians and Bulgarians who are already in the country. Majority of immigrants from these countries came here after 1 January 2007 when both countries became EU members. Immigrants have legal rights to work as a self-employed or, if their partner is a self-employed, they could have an unlimited access to the job market with Blue card. So, the truth is not exactly what the politicians tell you. Cameron cannot stop Romanians' and Bulgarians' free access to the job market from 1 January 2014. The problem is that Cameron has to make budget cuts - civil servants, remember - and he is trying to distract public attention from real issues in the country. I have few friends that work as civil servants - they do not even know what job they suppose to do, but are paid between 30 and 50 grands and have 2 months annual paid leave. This has happened before, mass illegal immigration from Europe. But back then the immigrants were easily identifiable because they came over in long ships and wore horns on their hats, and gave names to parts of Lincolnshire like 'Danelaw' and similar. They took land, and jobs, and skewed the local economy in their favour, and historians refer to that period as the Viking invasion. Fact is, Europeans like it here and have done for millennia. A problem for local farmers who rely on foreign workers to pick produce because local workers don't want to put the hours in and also in the ladies business sector - social care where a large proportion of workers are also foreign as in the hotel industry. Often hospitality companies offer zero hour contracts which in my area immigrants from Ghana often fill because they are more flexible. What's the solution - stop immigration and risk staff shortages and empty veg shelves in supermarkets and bums going unwiped in care homes - I don't know. There are often unforeseen effects. The reason there are a lot of immigrants in Lincoln is because of the royal farmlands that need cheap labour for the Royal profits. Iftikhar Ahmad London School of Islamics Trust http://www.londonsch oolofislamics.org.uk
That's just the problem - everybody DOESN'T have a right to travel or work wherever they like. There are laws in this country that control it and they are there for a variety of good reasons. I know that some members of a certain community don't think the laws of this country apply to them and from reading your text above you seem to agree with that. There are laws in this country and they are made to be respected - BY EVERYONE.
Iftikhar Ahmad the only law this guy wants is "sharia law"..!!
[quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Iftikhar[/bold] wrote: The problem is the human penchant for nationalism, poisoned with religion, on this tiny planet. If the whole world was properly organised one could live anywhere. A large majority of so called British are descendants of immigrants. Immigration is needed but we need to copy how America does it, They only allow the brightest and the best in where we let everyone in. The question was asked, why do the local people not do the jobs these migrant workers come to do, no one could answer ! But we all know why.........I think having a diverse society is a fantastic thing, and something Britain should be proud of. If the immigrants are sent home who pick the crops? The locals won't! You need to go to Australia and Newzeland and ask about the native about British immigrant and listen what they say. No panic guys. It took a thousand years of steady invasion from the Romans to the Normans to build up the vibrant population of English in the East of the country (those invaders added to the existing British and Celts who did not flee to Wales). Historians look back at that as unsettled times. The more immigrant come to UK the more diverse the country becomes. Surely that's a good thing. A historian who has forgotten that the Norman invasion may have led to todays' UK, but it was a disaster for the population of England (and later Britain) at the time - ask the Saxons if they thought the Norman takeover was a good idea! Why complain when it’s the British who first migrated into other lands enslaving those people? When it is a question on immigration, the feelings are so strong. I wonder why. Serves you right! Britain! When the British colonised the world, it was ok. But now when people from the former colonies and from other countries come to Britain, its not ok? Look into history and then you can cry because what goes around comes around. Don't see why people have such a problem with mass immigration? It enriches our culture and boosts the economy! We have to stop looking at these people as immigrants and think of them as human beings.The immigrants are not to blame because they were invited and welcomed here by our successive government. We have quite large Spanish , French and Italian communities in Brighton and I believe it really enhances the place and adds to diversity of the City. Globalisation is here to stay. Britain colonised & some would say civilised half the world. It's called Karma. Not so long ago British people colonized Asia, living like kings while locals suffering to no end. At least, these migrants do not enslave the Britons, so stop whining please. Just get your facts straight before you start ranting about how the country is filled with 'immigrants'. Why doesn't anyone complain about the millions of brits moving abroad every year eh? what would Britain do without all this work force? coz it looks like brits are too good to do a lot of the jobs and prefer getting their lives paid for by the government? everyone on this planet has the right to live a comfortable live WHEREVER they want. you can't blame people for being hungry and craving for the life they deserve just because some rich guys placing borders wherever they like? If you sent all the immigrants back this country would grind to a halt because they do all the horrible jobs that our unemployed wont do. They don't realise the reason there are so many migrant workers is the locals don't want to get their hands dirty by doing menial hard work, whereas the East Europeans are happy to do it. 5 million Brits live permanently abroad as foreigners, and many also as migrant workers. British women have a low fertility rate of about 1.89 per woman, which means naturally born Brits are not having enough children to replace the generations. Don't see why people have such a problem with mass immigration? It enriches our culture and boosts the economy! Britain is a modern, dynamic, fascinating and multicultural country, if you are a selfish intolerant bigot then feel free to go somewhere else and leave the rest of us in peace. Actually, 97% of Eastern-European immigrants are in full-time employment. Also, there are thousands of Romanians and Bulgarians who are already in the country. Majority of immigrants from these countries came here after 1 January 2007 when both countries became EU members. Immigrants have legal rights to work as a self-employed or, if their partner is a self-employed, they could have an unlimited access to the job market with Blue card. So, the truth is not exactly what the politicians tell you. Cameron cannot stop Romanians' and Bulgarians' free access to the job market from 1 January 2014. The problem is that Cameron has to make budget cuts - civil servants, remember - and he is trying to distract public attention from real issues in the country. I have few friends that work as civil servants - they do not even know what job they suppose to do, but are paid between 30 and 50 grands and have 2 months annual paid leave. This has happened before, mass illegal immigration from Europe. But back then the immigrants were easily identifiable because they came over in long ships and wore horns on their hats, and gave names to parts of Lincolnshire like 'Danelaw' and similar. They took land, and jobs, and skewed the local economy in their favour, and historians refer to that period as the Viking invasion. Fact is, Europeans like it here and have done for millennia. A problem for local farmers who rely on foreign workers to pick produce because local workers don't want to put the hours in and also in the ladies business sector - social care where a large proportion of workers are also foreign as in the hotel industry. Often hospitality companies offer zero hour contracts which in my area immigrants from Ghana often fill because they are more flexible. What's the solution - stop immigration and risk staff shortages and empty veg shelves in supermarkets and bums going unwiped in care homes - I don't know. There are often unforeseen effects. The reason there are a lot of immigrants in Lincoln is because of the royal farmlands that need cheap labour for the Royal profits. Iftikhar Ahmad London School of Islamics Trust http://www.londonsch oolofislamics.org.uk[/p][/quote]That's just the problem - everybody DOESN'T have a right to travel or work wherever they like. There are laws in this country that control it and they are there for a variety of good reasons. I know that some members of a certain community don't think the laws of this country apply to them and from reading your text above you seem to agree with that. There are laws in this country and they are made to be respected - BY EVERYONE.[/p][/quote]Iftikhar Ahmad the only law this guy wants is "sharia law"..!! nowt fresh
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6:10pm Mon 21 Jan 13

thruth9211 says...

nowt fresh wrote:
SinnerSaint wrote:
Iftikhar wrote: The problem is the human penchant for nationalism, poisoned with religion, on this tiny planet. If the whole world was properly organised one could live anywhere. A large majority of so called British are descendants of immigrants. Immigration is needed but we need to copy how America does it, They only allow the brightest and the best in where we let everyone in. The question was asked, why do the local people not do the jobs these migrant workers come to do, no one could answer ! But we all know why.........I think having a diverse society is a fantastic thing, and something Britain should be proud of. If the immigrants are sent home who pick the crops? The locals won't! You need to go to Australia and Newzeland and ask about the native about British immigrant and listen what they say. No panic guys. It took a thousand years of steady invasion from the Romans to the Normans to build up the vibrant population of English in the East of the country (those invaders added to the existing British and Celts who did not flee to Wales). Historians look back at that as unsettled times. The more immigrant come to UK the more diverse the country becomes. Surely that's a good thing. A historian who has forgotten that the Norman invasion may have led to todays' UK, but it was a disaster for the population of England (and later Britain) at the time - ask the Saxons if they thought the Norman takeover was a good idea! Why complain when it’s the British who first migrated into other lands enslaving those people? When it is a question on immigration, the feelings are so strong. I wonder why. Serves you right! Britain! When the British colonised the world, it was ok. But now when people from the former colonies and from other countries come to Britain, its not ok? Look into history and then you can cry because what goes around comes around. Don't see why people have such a problem with mass immigration? It enriches our culture and boosts the economy! We have to stop looking at these people as immigrants and think of them as human beings.The immigrants are not to blame because they were invited and welcomed here by our successive government. We have quite large Spanish , French and Italian communities in Brighton and I believe it really enhances the place and adds to diversity of the City. Globalisation is here to stay. Britain colonised & some would say civilised half the world. It's called Karma. Not so long ago British people colonized Asia, living like kings while locals suffering to no end. At least, these migrants do not enslave the Britons, so stop whining please. Just get your facts straight before you start ranting about how the country is filled with 'immigrants'. Why doesn't anyone complain about the millions of brits moving abroad every year eh? what would Britain do without all this work force? coz it looks like brits are too good to do a lot of the jobs and prefer getting their lives paid for by the government? everyone on this planet has the right to live a comfortable live WHEREVER they want. you can't blame people for being hungry and craving for the life they deserve just because some rich guys placing borders wherever they like? If you sent all the immigrants back this country would grind to a halt because they do all the horrible jobs that our unemployed wont do. They don't realise the reason there are so many migrant workers is the locals don't want to get their hands dirty by doing menial hard work, whereas the East Europeans are happy to do it. 5 million Brits live permanently abroad as foreigners, and many also as migrant workers. British women have a low fertility rate of about 1.89 per woman, which means naturally born Brits are not having enough children to replace the generations. Don't see why people have such a problem with mass immigration? It enriches our culture and boosts the economy! Britain is a modern, dynamic, fascinating and multicultural country, if you are a selfish intolerant bigot then feel free to go somewhere else and leave the rest of us in peace. Actually, 97% of Eastern-European immigrants are in full-time employment. Also, there are thousands of Romanians and Bulgarians who are already in the country. Majority of immigrants from these countries came here after 1 January 2007 when both countries became EU members. Immigrants have legal rights to work as a self-employed or, if their partner is a self-employed, they could have an unlimited access to the job market with Blue card. So, the truth is not exactly what the politicians tell you. Cameron cannot stop Romanians' and Bulgarians' free access to the job market from 1 January 2014. The problem is that Cameron has to make budget cuts - civil servants, remember - and he is trying to distract public attention from real issues in the country. I have few friends that work as civil servants - they do not even know what job they suppose to do, but are paid between 30 and 50 grands and have 2 months annual paid leave. This has happened before, mass illegal immigration from Europe. But back then the immigrants were easily identifiable because they came over in long ships and wore horns on their hats, and gave names to parts of Lincolnshire like 'Danelaw' and similar. They took land, and jobs, and skewed the local economy in their favour, and historians refer to that period as the Viking invasion. Fact is, Europeans like it here and have done for millennia. A problem for local farmers who rely on foreign workers to pick produce because local workers don't want to put the hours in and also in the ladies business sector - social care where a large proportion of workers are also foreign as in the hotel industry. Often hospitality companies offer zero hour contracts which in my area immigrants from Ghana often fill because they are more flexible. What's the solution - stop immigration and risk staff shortages and empty veg shelves in supermarkets and bums going unwiped in care homes - I don't know. There are often unforeseen effects. The reason there are a lot of immigrants in Lincoln is because of the royal farmlands that need cheap labour for the Royal profits. Iftikhar Ahmad London School of Islamics Trust http://www.londonsch oolofislamics.org.uk
That's just the problem - everybody DOESN'T have a right to travel or work wherever they like. There are laws in this country that control it and they are there for a variety of good reasons. I know that some members of a certain community don't think the laws of this country apply to them and from reading your text above you seem to agree with that. There are laws in this country and they are made to be respected - BY EVERYONE.
Iftikhar Ahmad the only law this guy wants is "sharia law"..!!
Nowt fresh

Your a n0b sucking ****,

British have ruled illegally for years and when people from different nations come to this country you cry like bit ches

British people seems like they dont want to work, relying on benefits, name citys like HUll, Bradford, Barnsley etc

Get these benefits cheats out and make to work

This law sucks

A person that can kill is given a few years sentence if drunk, but a person that carrys a gun, gets upto 14 years

Law sucks

Eye for an eye
[quote][p][bold]nowt fresh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Iftikhar[/bold] wrote: The problem is the human penchant for nationalism, poisoned with religion, on this tiny planet. If the whole world was properly organised one could live anywhere. A large majority of so called British are descendants of immigrants. Immigration is needed but we need to copy how America does it, They only allow the brightest and the best in where we let everyone in. The question was asked, why do the local people not do the jobs these migrant workers come to do, no one could answer ! But we all know why.........I think having a diverse society is a fantastic thing, and something Britain should be proud of. If the immigrants are sent home who pick the crops? The locals won't! You need to go to Australia and Newzeland and ask about the native about British immigrant and listen what they say. No panic guys. It took a thousand years of steady invasion from the Romans to the Normans to build up the vibrant population of English in the East of the country (those invaders added to the existing British and Celts who did not flee to Wales). Historians look back at that as unsettled times. The more immigrant come to UK the more diverse the country becomes. Surely that's a good thing. A historian who has forgotten that the Norman invasion may have led to todays' UK, but it was a disaster for the population of England (and later Britain) at the time - ask the Saxons if they thought the Norman takeover was a good idea! Why complain when it’s the British who first migrated into other lands enslaving those people? When it is a question on immigration, the feelings are so strong. I wonder why. Serves you right! Britain! When the British colonised the world, it was ok. But now when people from the former colonies and from other countries come to Britain, its not ok? Look into history and then you can cry because what goes around comes around. Don't see why people have such a problem with mass immigration? It enriches our culture and boosts the economy! We have to stop looking at these people as immigrants and think of them as human beings.The immigrants are not to blame because they were invited and welcomed here by our successive government. We have quite large Spanish , French and Italian communities in Brighton and I believe it really enhances the place and adds to diversity of the City. Globalisation is here to stay. Britain colonised & some would say civilised half the world. It's called Karma. Not so long ago British people colonized Asia, living like kings while locals suffering to no end. At least, these migrants do not enslave the Britons, so stop whining please. Just get your facts straight before you start ranting about how the country is filled with 'immigrants'. Why doesn't anyone complain about the millions of brits moving abroad every year eh? what would Britain do without all this work force? coz it looks like brits are too good to do a lot of the jobs and prefer getting their lives paid for by the government? everyone on this planet has the right to live a comfortable live WHEREVER they want. you can't blame people for being hungry and craving for the life they deserve just because some rich guys placing borders wherever they like? If you sent all the immigrants back this country would grind to a halt because they do all the horrible jobs that our unemployed wont do. They don't realise the reason there are so many migrant workers is the locals don't want to get their hands dirty by doing menial hard work, whereas the East Europeans are happy to do it. 5 million Brits live permanently abroad as foreigners, and many also as migrant workers. British women have a low fertility rate of about 1.89 per woman, which means naturally born Brits are not having enough children to replace the generations. Don't see why people have such a problem with mass immigration? It enriches our culture and boosts the economy! Britain is a modern, dynamic, fascinating and multicultural country, if you are a selfish intolerant bigot then feel free to go somewhere else and leave the rest of us in peace. Actually, 97% of Eastern-European immigrants are in full-time employment. Also, there are thousands of Romanians and Bulgarians who are already in the country. Majority of immigrants from these countries came here after 1 January 2007 when both countries became EU members. Immigrants have legal rights to work as a self-employed or, if their partner is a self-employed, they could have an unlimited access to the job market with Blue card. So, the truth is not exactly what the politicians tell you. Cameron cannot stop Romanians' and Bulgarians' free access to the job market from 1 January 2014. The problem is that Cameron has to make budget cuts - civil servants, remember - and he is trying to distract public attention from real issues in the country. I have few friends that work as civil servants - they do not even know what job they suppose to do, but are paid between 30 and 50 grands and have 2 months annual paid leave. This has happened before, mass illegal immigration from Europe. But back then the immigrants were easily identifiable because they came over in long ships and wore horns on their hats, and gave names to parts of Lincolnshire like 'Danelaw' and similar. They took land, and jobs, and skewed the local economy in their favour, and historians refer to that period as the Viking invasion. Fact is, Europeans like it here and have done for millennia. A problem for local farmers who rely on foreign workers to pick produce because local workers don't want to put the hours in and also in the ladies business sector - social care where a large proportion of workers are also foreign as in the hotel industry. Often hospitality companies offer zero hour contracts which in my area immigrants from Ghana often fill because they are more flexible. What's the solution - stop immigration and risk staff shortages and empty veg shelves in supermarkets and bums going unwiped in care homes - I don't know. There are often unforeseen effects. The reason there are a lot of immigrants in Lincoln is because of the royal farmlands that need cheap labour for the Royal profits. Iftikhar Ahmad London School of Islamics Trust http://www.londonsch oolofislamics.org.uk[/p][/quote]That's just the problem - everybody DOESN'T have a right to travel or work wherever they like. There are laws in this country that control it and they are there for a variety of good reasons. I know that some members of a certain community don't think the laws of this country apply to them and from reading your text above you seem to agree with that. There are laws in this country and they are made to be respected - BY EVERYONE.[/p][/quote]Iftikhar Ahmad the only law this guy wants is "sharia law"..!![/p][/quote]Nowt fresh Your a n0b sucking ****, British have ruled illegally for years and when people from different nations come to this country you cry like bit ches British people seems like they dont want to work, relying on benefits, name citys like HUll, Bradford, Barnsley etc Get these benefits cheats out and make to work This law sucks A person that can kill is given a few years sentence if drunk, but a person that carrys a gun, gets upto 14 years Law sucks Eye for an eye thruth9211
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6:19pm Mon 21 Jan 13

Albion. says...

thruth9211 wrote:
nowt fresh wrote:
SinnerSaint wrote:
Iftikhar wrote: The problem is the human penchant for nationalism, poisoned with religion, on this tiny planet. If the whole world was properly organised one could live anywhere. A large majority of so called British are descendants of immigrants. Immigration is needed but we need to copy how America does it, They only allow the brightest and the best in where we let everyone in. The question was asked, why do the local people not do the jobs these migrant workers come to do, no one could answer ! But we all know why.........I think having a diverse society is a fantastic thing, and something Britain should be proud of. If the immigrants are sent home who pick the crops? The locals won't! You need to go to Australia and Newzeland and ask about the native about British immigrant and listen what they say. No panic guys. It took a thousand years of steady invasion from the Romans to the Normans to build up the vibrant population of English in the East of the country (those invaders added to the existing British and Celts who did not flee to Wales). Historians look back at that as unsettled times. The more immigrant come to UK the more diverse the country becomes. Surely that's a good thing. A historian who has forgotten that the Norman invasion may have led to todays' UK, but it was a disaster for the population of England (and later Britain) at the time - ask the Saxons if they thought the Norman takeover was a good idea! Why complain when it’s the British who first migrated into other lands enslaving those people? When it is a question on immigration, the feelings are so strong. I wonder why. Serves you right! Britain! When the British colonised the world, it was ok. But now when people from the former colonies and from other countries come to Britain, its not ok? Look into history and then you can cry because what goes around comes around. Don't see why people have such a problem with mass immigration? It enriches our culture and boosts the economy! We have to stop looking at these people as immigrants and think of them as human beings.The immigrants are not to blame because they were invited and welcomed here by our successive government. We have quite large Spanish , French and Italian communities in Brighton and I believe it really enhances the place and adds to diversity of the City. Globalisation is here to stay. Britain colonised & some would say civilised half the world. It's called Karma. Not so long ago British people colonized Asia, living like kings while locals suffering to no end. At least, these migrants do not enslave the Britons, so stop whining please. Just get your facts straight before you start ranting about how the country is filled with 'immigrants'. Why doesn't anyone complain about the millions of brits moving abroad every year eh? what would Britain do without all this work force? coz it looks like brits are too good to do a lot of the jobs and prefer getting their lives paid for by the government? everyone on this planet has the right to live a comfortable live WHEREVER they want. you can't blame people for being hungry and craving for the life they deserve just because some rich guys placing borders wherever they like? If you sent all the immigrants back this country would grind to a halt because they do all the horrible jobs that our unemployed wont do. They don't realise the reason there are so many migrant workers is the locals don't want to get their hands dirty by doing menial hard work, whereas the East Europeans are happy to do it. 5 million Brits live permanently abroad as foreigners, and many also as migrant workers. British women have a low fertility rate of about 1.89 per woman, which means naturally born Brits are not having enough children to replace the generations. Don't see why people have such a problem with mass immigration? It enriches our culture and boosts the economy! Britain is a modern, dynamic, fascinating and multicultural country, if you are a selfish intolerant bigot then feel free to go somewhere else and leave the rest of us in peace. Actually, 97% of Eastern-European immigrants are in full-time employment. Also, there are thousands of Romanians and Bulgarians who are already in the country. Majority of immigrants from these countries came here after 1 January 2007 when both countries became EU members. Immigrants have legal rights to work as a self-employed or, if their partner is a self-employed, they could have an unlimited access to the job market with Blue card. So, the truth is not exactly what the politicians tell you. Cameron cannot stop Romanians' and Bulgarians' free access to the job market from 1 January 2014. The problem is that Cameron has to make budget cuts - civil servants, remember - and he is trying to distract public attention from real issues in the country. I have few friends that work as civil servants - they do not even know what job they suppose to do, but are paid between 30 and 50 grands and have 2 months annual paid leave. This has happened before, mass illegal immigration from Europe. But back then the immigrants were easily identifiable because they came over in long ships and wore horns on their hats, and gave names to parts of Lincolnshire like 'Danelaw' and similar. They took land, and jobs, and skewed the local economy in their favour, and historians refer to that period as the Viking invasion. Fact is, Europeans like it here and have done for millennia. A problem for local farmers who rely on foreign workers to pick produce because local workers don't want to put the hours in and also in the ladies business sector - social care where a large proportion of workers are also foreign as in the hotel industry. Often hospitality companies offer zero hour contracts which in my area immigrants from Ghana often fill because they are more flexible. What's the solution - stop immigration and risk staff shortages and empty veg shelves in supermarkets and bums going unwiped in care homes - I don't know. There are often unforeseen effects. The reason there are a lot of immigrants in Lincoln is because of the royal farmlands that need cheap labour for the Royal profits. Iftikhar Ahmad London School of Islamics Trust http://www.londonsch oolofislamics.org.uk
That's just the problem - everybody DOESN'T have a right to travel or work wherever they like. There are laws in this country that control it and they are there for a variety of good reasons. I know that some members of a certain community don't think the laws of this country apply to them and from reading your text above you seem to agree with that. There are laws in this country and they are made to be respected - BY EVERYONE.
Iftikhar Ahmad the only law this guy wants is "sharia law"..!!
Nowt fresh

Your a n0b sucking ****,

British have ruled illegally for years and when people from different nations come to this country you cry like bit ches

British people seems like they dont want to work, relying on benefits, name citys like HUll, Bradford, Barnsley etc

Get these benefits cheats out and make to work

This law sucks

A person that can kill is given a few years sentence if drunk, but a person that carrys a gun, gets upto 14 years

Law sucks

Eye for an eye
The airport has re-opened.
[quote][p][bold]thruth9211[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nowt fresh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Iftikhar[/bold] wrote: The problem is the human penchant for nationalism, poisoned with religion, on this tiny planet. If the whole world was properly organised one could live anywhere. A large majority of so called British are descendants of immigrants. Immigration is needed but we need to copy how America does it, They only allow the brightest and the best in where we let everyone in. The question was asked, why do the local people not do the jobs these migrant workers come to do, no one could answer ! But we all know why.........I think having a diverse society is a fantastic thing, and something Britain should be proud of. If the immigrants are sent home who pick the crops? The locals won't! You need to go to Australia and Newzeland and ask about the native about British immigrant and listen what they say. No panic guys. It took a thousand years of steady invasion from the Romans to the Normans to build up the vibrant population of English in the East of the country (those invaders added to the existing British and Celts who did not flee to Wales). Historians look back at that as unsettled times. The more immigrant come to UK the more diverse the country becomes. Surely that's a good thing. A historian who has forgotten that the Norman invasion may have led to todays' UK, but it was a disaster for the population of England (and later Britain) at the time - ask the Saxons if they thought the Norman takeover was a good idea! Why complain when it’s the British who first migrated into other lands enslaving those people? When it is a question on immigration, the feelings are so strong. I wonder why. Serves you right! Britain! When the British colonised the world, it was ok. But now when people from the former colonies and from other countries come to Britain, its not ok? Look into history and then you can cry because what goes around comes around. Don't see why people have such a problem with mass immigration? It enriches our culture and boosts the economy! We have to stop looking at these people as immigrants and think of them as human beings.The immigrants are not to blame because they were invited and welcomed here by our successive government. We have quite large Spanish , French and Italian communities in Brighton and I believe it really enhances the place and adds to diversity of the City. Globalisation is here to stay. Britain colonised & some would say civilised half the world. It's called Karma. Not so long ago British people colonized Asia, living like kings while locals suffering to no end. At least, these migrants do not enslave the Britons, so stop whining please. Just get your facts straight before you start ranting about how the country is filled with 'immigrants'. Why doesn't anyone complain about the millions of brits moving abroad every year eh? what would Britain do without all this work force? coz it looks like brits are too good to do a lot of the jobs and prefer getting their lives paid for by the government? everyone on this planet has the right to live a comfortable live WHEREVER they want. you can't blame people for being hungry and craving for the life they deserve just because some rich guys placing borders wherever they like? If you sent all the immigrants back this country would grind to a halt because they do all the horrible jobs that our unemployed wont do. They don't realise the reason there are so many migrant workers is the locals don't want to get their hands dirty by doing menial hard work, whereas the East Europeans are happy to do it. 5 million Brits live permanently abroad as foreigners, and many also as migrant workers. British women have a low fertility rate of about 1.89 per woman, which means naturally born Brits are not having enough children to replace the generations. Don't see why people have such a problem with mass immigration? It enriches our culture and boosts the economy! Britain is a modern, dynamic, fascinating and multicultural country, if you are a selfish intolerant bigot then feel free to go somewhere else and leave the rest of us in peace. Actually, 97% of Eastern-European immigrants are in full-time employment. Also, there are thousands of Romanians and Bulgarians who are already in the country. Majority of immigrants from these countries came here after 1 January 2007 when both countries became EU members. Immigrants have legal rights to work as a self-employed or, if their partner is a self-employed, they could have an unlimited access to the job market with Blue card. So, the truth is not exactly what the politicians tell you. Cameron cannot stop Romanians' and Bulgarians' free access to the job market from 1 January 2014. The problem is that Cameron has to make budget cuts - civil servants, remember - and he is trying to distract public attention from real issues in the country. I have few friends that work as civil servants - they do not even know what job they suppose to do, but are paid between 30 and 50 grands and have 2 months annual paid leave. This has happened before, mass illegal immigration from Europe. But back then the immigrants were easily identifiable because they came over in long ships and wore horns on their hats, and gave names to parts of Lincolnshire like 'Danelaw' and similar. They took land, and jobs, and skewed the local economy in their favour, and historians refer to that period as the Viking invasion. Fact is, Europeans like it here and have done for millennia. A problem for local farmers who rely on foreign workers to pick produce because local workers don't want to put the hours in and also in the ladies business sector - social care where a large proportion of workers are also foreign as in the hotel industry. Often hospitality companies offer zero hour contracts which in my area immigrants from Ghana often fill because they are more flexible. What's the solution - stop immigration and risk staff shortages and empty veg shelves in supermarkets and bums going unwiped in care homes - I don't know. There are often unforeseen effects. The reason there are a lot of immigrants in Lincoln is because of the royal farmlands that need cheap labour for the Royal profits. Iftikhar Ahmad London School of Islamics Trust http://www.londonsch oolofislamics.org.uk[/p][/quote]That's just the problem - everybody DOESN'T have a right to travel or work wherever they like. There are laws in this country that control it and they are there for a variety of good reasons. I know that some members of a certain community don't think the laws of this country apply to them and from reading your text above you seem to agree with that. There are laws in this country and they are made to be respected - BY EVERYONE.[/p][/quote]Iftikhar Ahmad the only law this guy wants is "sharia law"..!![/p][/quote]Nowt fresh Your a n0b sucking ****, British have ruled illegally for years and when people from different nations come to this country you cry like bit ches British people seems like they dont want to work, relying on benefits, name citys like HUll, Bradford, Barnsley etc Get these benefits cheats out and make to work This law sucks A person that can kill is given a few years sentence if drunk, but a person that carrys a gun, gets upto 14 years Law sucks Eye for an eye[/p][/quote]The airport has re-opened. Albion.
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6:28pm Mon 21 Jan 13

thruth9211 says...

Looks like thats all you can say

so your waste of time with the true facts albion
Looks like thats all you can say so your waste of time with the true facts albion thruth9211
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6:31pm Mon 21 Jan 13

thruth9211 says...

Ops

Or we might have another war, propaganda by the west, that it cant handle immagration to suit their own needs

West are known to use and abuse, now it time that, us the easten european abuse this country till death due us apart
Ops Or we might have another war, propaganda by the west, that it cant handle immagration to suit their own needs West are known to use and abuse, now it time that, us the easten european abuse this country till death due us apart thruth9211
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6:42pm Mon 21 Jan 13

SinnerSaint says...

thruth9211 wrote:
Ops

Or we might have another war, propaganda by the west, that it cant handle immagration to suit their own needs

West are known to use and abuse, now it time that, us the easten european abuse this country till death due us apart
Again please, in a way that everyone else can understand
[quote][p][bold]thruth9211[/bold] wrote: Ops Or we might have another war, propaganda by the west, that it cant handle immagration to suit their own needs West are known to use and abuse, now it time that, us the easten european abuse this country till death due us apart[/p][/quote]Again please, in a way that everyone else can understand SinnerSaint
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6:43pm Mon 21 Jan 13

Marty12 says...

The Hoffster wrote:
^^^ Islamophobe.
Is that bad?
[quote][p][bold]The Hoffster[/bold] wrote: ^^^ Islamophobe.[/p][/quote]Is that bad? Marty12
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6:57pm Mon 21 Jan 13

SinnerSaint says...

The Hoffster wrote:
^^^

Islamophobe.
It's Islamophobic to expect visitors and settlers in this country to respect it's laws?
[quote][p][bold]The Hoffster[/bold] wrote: ^^^ Islamophobe.[/p][/quote]It's Islamophobic to expect visitors and settlers in this country to respect it's laws? SinnerSaint
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7:13pm Mon 21 Jan 13

thruth9211 says...

jews muther f
jews muther f thruth9211
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7:16pm Mon 21 Jan 13

Marty12 says...

thruth9211 wrote:
jews muther f
Got to admire Truth9211's command of his host nation's tongue. Tit.
[quote][p][bold]thruth9211[/bold] wrote: jews muther f[/p][/quote]Got to admire Truth9211's command of his host nation's tongue. Tit. Marty12
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7:33pm Mon 21 Jan 13

thingybob68 says...

Sadly I agree with Ifty, it is most definitely Karma.

Britain has invaded and colonised most of the world in an overt way - that supposedly ended by the 1960s, however covertly Britain and the West subjugate many third world nations in the middle east, africa and asia with unfair trade practices and corruption, bribery and in some cases threats of regime change to force those nations to surrender their wealth to western companies.

Oil and mining companies for example forcing nations to take their own western employees to work in their plants abroad to the detriment of local workers.

This was quite obvious with the stance Britain took agains the Iranian revolution when they kicked the British companies out and started pumping and running the oil operations themselves - somethig which Britain wrongly told them was beyond them and tried to force them to undo - we can see this in Libya, Algeria all over the world.

Resources and income being stolen from the locals to come back to us, the Brits.

Then their is unfair trade like banning african and others from exporting finished goods, forcing them to accept commodity prices for cotton, coco etc.

Then their is the crown jewels that sit on the queens head, stolen from India.

And lets not even get started on the British Museum - the largest and most valuable collection of stolen goods anywhere in the world - gods which even today Britain refuses to return even though they were stolen.

You can cry all you like, and you will do, down at the pub on benefits day, when the pubs are most busy and packed - but it doesnt change the fact of what goes around, comes around.

And dont tout that nonsense of obeying "our laws" - the figures on crime in this country are shocking - which is why we have an overcrowding problem in our jails - average council estate dewlling chav in Blithey does not care one bit about respecting "our laws".

Within 2-3 generations many Pakistani immigrants have been able to educate themselves, get better jobs and buy their own homes - perhaps many should soul search why so many indigenous have not been able to do the same within 2-3 generations in their own country, entitled to the same services and beenfits etc

Keep whining, im playing the worlds smallest violin for you all as we speak.
Sadly I agree with Ifty, it is most definitely Karma. Britain has invaded and colonised most of the world in an overt way - that supposedly ended by the 1960s, however covertly Britain and the West subjugate many third world nations in the middle east, africa and asia with unfair trade practices and corruption, bribery and in some cases threats of regime change to force those nations to surrender their wealth to western companies. Oil and mining companies for example forcing nations to take their own western employees to work in their plants abroad to the detriment of local workers. This was quite obvious with the stance Britain took agains the Iranian revolution when they kicked the British companies out and started pumping and running the oil operations themselves - somethig which Britain wrongly told them was beyond them and tried to force them to undo - we can see this in Libya, Algeria all over the world. Resources and income being stolen from the locals to come back to us, the Brits. Then their is unfair trade like banning african and others from exporting finished goods, forcing them to accept commodity prices for cotton, coco etc. Then their is the crown jewels that sit on the queens head, stolen from India. And lets not even get started on the British Museum - the largest and most valuable collection of stolen goods anywhere in the world - gods which even today Britain refuses to return even though they were stolen. You can cry all you like, and you will do, down at the pub on benefits day, when the pubs are most busy and packed - but it doesnt change the fact of what goes around, comes around. And dont tout that nonsense of obeying "our laws" - the figures on crime in this country are shocking - which is why we have an overcrowding problem in our jails - average council estate dewlling chav in Blithey does not care one bit about respecting "our laws". Within 2-3 generations many Pakistani immigrants have been able to educate themselves, get better jobs and buy their own homes - perhaps many should soul search why so many indigenous have not been able to do the same within 2-3 generations in their own country, entitled to the same services and beenfits etc Keep whining, im playing the worlds smallest violin for you all as we speak. thingybob68
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7:53pm Mon 21 Jan 13

nowt fresh says...

thruth9211 wrote:
nowt fresh wrote:
SinnerSaint wrote:
Iftikhar wrote: The problem is the human penchant for nationalism, poisoned with religion, on this tiny planet. If the whole world was properly organised one could live anywhere. A large majority of so called British are descendants of immigrants. Immigration is needed but we need to copy how America does it, They only allow the brightest and the best in where we let everyone in. The question was asked, why do the local people not do the jobs these migrant workers come to do, no one could answer ! But we all know why.........I think having a diverse society is a fantastic thing, and something Britain should be proud of. If the immigrants are sent home who pick the crops? The locals won't! You need to go to Australia and Newzeland and ask about the native about British immigrant and listen what they say. No panic guys. It took a thousand years of steady invasion from the Romans to the Normans to build up the vibrant population of English in the East of the country (those invaders added to the existing British and Celts who did not flee to Wales). Historians look back at that as unsettled times. The more immigrant come to UK the more diverse the country becomes. Surely that's a good thing. A historian who has forgotten that the Norman invasion may have led to todays' UK, but it was a disaster for the population of England (and later Britain) at the time - ask the Saxons if they thought the Norman takeover was a good idea! Why complain when it’s the British who first migrated into other lands enslaving those people? When it is a question on immigration, the feelings are so strong. I wonder why. Serves you right! Britain! When the British colonised the world, it was ok. But now when people from the former colonies and from other countries come to Britain, its not ok? Look into history and then you can cry because what goes around comes around. Don't see why people have such a problem with mass immigration? It enriches our culture and boosts the economy! We have to stop looking at these people as immigrants and think of them as human beings.The immigrants are not to blame because they were invited and welcomed here by our successive government. We have quite large Spanish , French and Italian communities in Brighton and I believe it really enhances the place and adds to diversity of the City. Globalisation is here to stay. Britain colonised & some would say civilised half the world. It's called Karma. Not so long ago British people colonized Asia, living like kings while locals suffering to no end. At least, these migrants do not enslave the Britons, so stop whining please. Just get your facts straight before you start ranting about how the country is filled with 'immigrants'. Why doesn't anyone complain about the millions of brits moving abroad every year eh? what would Britain do without all this work force? coz it looks like brits are too good to do a lot of the jobs and prefer getting their lives paid for by the government? everyone on this planet has the right to live a comfortable live WHEREVER they want. you can't blame people for being hungry and craving for the life they deserve just because some rich guys placing borders wherever they like? If you sent all the immigrants back this country would grind to a halt because they do all the horrible jobs that our unemployed wont do. They don't realise the reason there are so many migrant workers is the locals don't want to get their hands dirty by doing menial hard work, whereas the East Europeans are happy to do it. 5 million Brits live permanently abroad as foreigners, and many also as migrant workers. British women have a low fertility rate of about 1.89 per woman, which means naturally born Brits are not having enough children to replace the generations. Don't see why people have such a problem with mass immigration? It enriches our culture and boosts the economy! Britain is a modern, dynamic, fascinating and multicultural country, if you are a selfish intolerant bigot then feel free to go somewhere else and leave the rest of us in peace. Actually, 97% of Eastern-European immigrants are in full-time employment. Also, there are thousands of Romanians and Bulgarians who are already in the country. Majority of immigrants from these countries came here after 1 January 2007 when both countries became EU members. Immigrants have legal rights to work as a self-employed or, if their partner is a self-employed, they could have an unlimited access to the job market with Blue card. So, the truth is not exactly what the politicians tell you. Cameron cannot stop Romanians' and Bulgarians' free access to the job market from 1 January 2014. The problem is that Cameron has to make budget cuts - civil servants, remember - and he is trying to distract public attention from real issues in the country. I have few friends that work as civil servants - they do not even know what job they suppose to do, but are paid between 30 and 50 grands and have 2 months annual paid leave. This has happened before, mass illegal immigration from Europe. But back then the immigrants were easily identifiable because they came over in long ships and wore horns on their hats, and gave names to parts of Lincolnshire like 'Danelaw' and similar. They took land, and jobs, and skewed the local economy in their favour, and historians refer to that period as the Viking invasion. Fact is, Europeans like it here and have done for millennia. A problem for local farmers who rely on foreign workers to pick produce because local workers don't want to put the hours in and also in the ladies business sector - social care where a large proportion of workers are also foreign as in the hotel industry. Often hospitality companies offer zero hour contracts which in my area immigrants from Ghana often fill because they are more flexible. What's the solution - stop immigration and risk staff shortages and empty veg shelves in supermarkets and bums going unwiped in care homes - I don't know. There are often unforeseen effects. The reason there are a lot of immigrants in Lincoln is because of the royal farmlands that need cheap labour for the Royal profits. Iftikhar Ahmad London School of Islamics Trust http://www.londonsch oolofislamics.org.uk
That's just the problem - everybody DOESN'T have a right to travel or work wherever they like. There are laws in this country that control it and they are there for a variety of good reasons. I know that some members of a certain community don't think the laws of this country apply to them and from reading your text above you seem to agree with that. There are laws in this country and they are made to be respected - BY EVERYONE.
Iftikhar Ahmad the only law this guy wants is "sharia law"..!!
Nowt fresh Your a n0b sucking ****, British have ruled illegally for years and when people from different nations come to this country you cry like bit ches British people seems like they dont want to work, relying on benefits, name citys like HUll, Bradford, Barnsley etc Get these benefits cheats out and make to work This law sucks A person that can kill is given a few years sentence if drunk, but a person that carrys a gun, gets upto 14 years Law sucks Eye for an eye
"Nowt fresh Your a n0b sucking ****"
thruth9211 you realy have a way with words,don't quite understand your reasoning were talking illegal immigrants here who have no rights to work in this country as the name suggests "THEY ARE ILLEGAL",love your last comment "Law sucks Eye for an eye" is this Sharia Law"..!! lets go the hole hog and start stoning women for adultery eh..!!
[quote][p][bold]thruth9211[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nowt fresh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Iftikhar[/bold] wrote: The problem is the human penchant for nationalism, poisoned with religion, on this tiny planet. If the whole world was properly organised one could live anywhere. A large majority of so called British are descendants of immigrants. Immigration is needed but we need to copy how America does it, They only allow the brightest and the best in where we let everyone in. The question was asked, why do the local people not do the jobs these migrant workers come to do, no one could answer ! But we all know why.........I think having a diverse society is a fantastic thing, and something Britain should be proud of. If the immigrants are sent home who pick the crops? The locals won't! You need to go to Australia and Newzeland and ask about the native about British immigrant and listen what they say. No panic guys. It took a thousand years of steady invasion from the Romans to the Normans to build up the vibrant population of English in the East of the country (those invaders added to the existing British and Celts who did not flee to Wales). Historians look back at that as unsettled times. The more immigrant come to UK the more diverse the country becomes. Surely that's a good thing. A historian who has forgotten that the Norman invasion may have led to todays' UK, but it was a disaster for the population of England (and later Britain) at the time - ask the Saxons if they thought the Norman takeover was a good idea! Why complain when it’s the British who first migrated into other lands enslaving those people? When it is a question on immigration, the feelings are so strong. I wonder why. Serves you right! Britain! When the British colonised the world, it was ok. But now when people from the former colonies and from other countries come to Britain, its not ok? Look into history and then you can cry because what goes around comes around. Don't see why people have such a problem with mass immigration? It enriches our culture and boosts the economy! We have to stop looking at these people as immigrants and think of them as human beings.The immigrants are not to blame because they were invited and welcomed here by our successive government. We have quite large Spanish , French and Italian communities in Brighton and I believe it really enhances the place and adds to diversity of the City. Globalisation is here to stay. Britain colonised & some would say civilised half the world. It's called Karma. Not so long ago British people colonized Asia, living like kings while locals suffering to no end. At least, these migrants do not enslave the Britons, so stop whining please. Just get your facts straight before you start ranting about how the country is filled with 'immigrants'. Why doesn't anyone complain about the millions of brits moving abroad every year eh? what would Britain do without all this work force? coz it looks like brits are too good to do a lot of the jobs and prefer getting their lives paid for by the government? everyone on this planet has the right to live a comfortable live WHEREVER they want. you can't blame people for being hungry and craving for the life they deserve just because some rich guys placing borders wherever they like? If you sent all the immigrants back this country would grind to a halt because they do all the horrible jobs that our unemployed wont do. They don't realise the reason there are so many migrant workers is the locals don't want to get their hands dirty by doing menial hard work, whereas the East Europeans are happy to do it. 5 million Brits live permanently abroad as foreigners, and many also as migrant workers. British women have a low fertility rate of about 1.89 per woman, which means naturally born Brits are not having enough children to replace the generations. Don't see why people have such a problem with mass immigration? It enriches our culture and boosts the economy! Britain is a modern, dynamic, fascinating and multicultural country, if you are a selfish intolerant bigot then feel free to go somewhere else and leave the rest of us in peace. Actually, 97% of Eastern-European immigrants are in full-time employment. Also, there are thousands of Romanians and Bulgarians who are already in the country. Majority of immigrants from these countries came here after 1 January 2007 when both countries became EU members. Immigrants have legal rights to work as a self-employed or, if their partner is a self-employed, they could have an unlimited access to the job market with Blue card. So, the truth is not exactly what the politicians tell you. Cameron cannot stop Romanians' and Bulgarians' free access to the job market from 1 January 2014. The problem is that Cameron has to make budget cuts - civil servants, remember - and he is trying to distract public attention from real issues in the country. I have few friends that work as civil servants - they do not even know what job they suppose to do, but are paid between 30 and 50 grands and have 2 months annual paid leave. This has happened before, mass illegal immigration from Europe. But back then the immigrants were easily identifiable because they came over in long ships and wore horns on their hats, and gave names to parts of Lincolnshire like 'Danelaw' and similar. They took land, and jobs, and skewed the local economy in their favour, and historians refer to that period as the Viking invasion. Fact is, Europeans like it here and have done for millennia. A problem for local farmers who rely on foreign workers to pick produce because local workers don't want to put the hours in and also in the ladies business sector - social care where a large proportion of workers are also foreign as in the hotel industry. Often hospitality companies offer zero hour contracts which in my area immigrants from Ghana often fill because they are more flexible. What's the solution - stop immigration and risk staff shortages and empty veg shelves in supermarkets and bums going unwiped in care homes - I don't know. There are often unforeseen effects. The reason there are a lot of immigrants in Lincoln is because of the royal farmlands that need cheap labour for the Royal profits. Iftikhar Ahmad London School of Islamics Trust http://www.londonsch oolofislamics.org.uk[/p][/quote]That's just the problem - everybody DOESN'T have a right to travel or work wherever they like. There are laws in this country that control it and they are there for a variety of good reasons. I know that some members of a certain community don't think the laws of this country apply to them and from reading your text above you seem to agree with that. There are laws in this country and they are made to be respected - BY EVERYONE.[/p][/quote]Iftikhar Ahmad the only law this guy wants is "sharia law"..!![/p][/quote]Nowt fresh Your a n0b sucking ****, British have ruled illegally for years and when people from different nations come to this country you cry like bit ches British people seems like they dont want to work, relying on benefits, name citys like HUll, Bradford, Barnsley etc Get these benefits cheats out and make to work This law sucks A person that can kill is given a few years sentence if drunk, but a person that carrys a gun, gets upto 14 years Law sucks Eye for an eye[/p][/quote]"Nowt fresh Your a n0b sucking ****" thruth9211 you realy have a way with words,don't quite understand your reasoning were talking illegal immigrants here who have no rights to work in this country as the name suggests "THEY ARE ILLEGAL",love your last comment "Law sucks Eye for an eye" is this Sharia Law"..!! lets go the hole hog and start stoning women for adultery eh..!! nowt fresh
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8:02pm Mon 21 Jan 13

SinnerSaint says...

thingybob68 wrote:
Sadly I agree with Ifty, it is most definitely Karma.

Britain has invaded and colonised most of the world in an overt way - that supposedly ended by the 1960s, however covertly Britain and the West subjugate many third world nations in the middle east, africa and asia with unfair trade practices and corruption, bribery and in some cases threats of regime change to force those nations to surrender their wealth to western companies.

Oil and mining companies for example forcing nations to take their own western employees to work in their plants abroad to the detriment of local workers.

This was quite obvious with the stance Britain took agains the Iranian revolution when they kicked the British companies out and started pumping and running the oil operations themselves - somethig which Britain wrongly told them was beyond them and tried to force them to undo - we can see this in Libya, Algeria all over the world.

Resources and income being stolen from the locals to come back to us, the Brits.

Then their is unfair trade like banning african and others from exporting finished goods, forcing them to accept commodity prices for cotton, coco etc.

Then their is the crown jewels that sit on the queens head, stolen from India.

And lets not even get started on the British Museum - the largest and most valuable collection of stolen goods anywhere in the world - gods which even today Britain refuses to return even though they were stolen.

You can cry all you like, and you will do, down at the pub on benefits day, when the pubs are most busy and packed - but it doesnt change the fact of what goes around, comes around.

And dont tout that nonsense of obeying "our laws" - the figures on crime in this country are shocking - which is why we have an overcrowding problem in our jails - average council estate dewlling chav in Blithey does not care one bit about respecting "our laws".

Within 2-3 generations many Pakistani immigrants have been able to educate themselves, get better jobs and buy their own homes - perhaps many should soul search why so many indigenous have not been able to do the same within 2-3 generations in their own country, entitled to the same services and beenfits etc

Keep whining, im playing the worlds smallest violin for you all as we speak.
Within 2-3 generations? Look where they all still live? Haven't they done well? How amusing that you think 17 people living in a terraced house in Girlington with drug dealers for sons demonstrates success!!
[quote][p][bold]thingybob68[/bold] wrote: Sadly I agree with Ifty, it is most definitely Karma. Britain has invaded and colonised most of the world in an overt way - that supposedly ended by the 1960s, however covertly Britain and the West subjugate many third world nations in the middle east, africa and asia with unfair trade practices and corruption, bribery and in some cases threats of regime change to force those nations to surrender their wealth to western companies. Oil and mining companies for example forcing nations to take their own western employees to work in their plants abroad to the detriment of local workers. This was quite obvious with the stance Britain took agains the Iranian revolution when they kicked the British companies out and started pumping and running the oil operations themselves - somethig which Britain wrongly told them was beyond them and tried to force them to undo - we can see this in Libya, Algeria all over the world. Resources and income being stolen from the locals to come back to us, the Brits. Then their is unfair trade like banning african and others from exporting finished goods, forcing them to accept commodity prices for cotton, coco etc. Then their is the crown jewels that sit on the queens head, stolen from India. And lets not even get started on the British Museum - the largest and most valuable collection of stolen goods anywhere in the world - gods which even today Britain refuses to return even though they were stolen. You can cry all you like, and you will do, down at the pub on benefits day, when the pubs are most busy and packed - but it doesnt change the fact of what goes around, comes around. And dont tout that nonsense of obeying "our laws" - the figures on crime in this country are shocking - which is why we have an overcrowding problem in our jails - average council estate dewlling chav in Blithey does not care one bit about respecting "our laws". Within 2-3 generations many Pakistani immigrants have been able to educate themselves, get better jobs and buy their own homes - perhaps many should soul search why so many indigenous have not been able to do the same within 2-3 generations in their own country, entitled to the same services and beenfits etc Keep whining, im playing the worlds smallest violin for you all as we speak.[/p][/quote]Within 2-3 generations? Look where they all still live? Haven't they done well? How amusing that you think 17 people living in a terraced house in Girlington with drug dealers for sons demonstrates success!! SinnerSaint
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8:10pm Mon 21 Jan 13

nowt fresh says...

SinnerSaint wrote:
thingybob68 wrote: Sadly I agree with Ifty, it is most definitely Karma. Britain has invaded and colonised most of the world in an overt way - that supposedly ended by the 1960s, however covertly Britain and the West subjugate many third world nations in the middle east, africa and asia with unfair trade practices and corruption, bribery and in some cases threats of regime change to force those nations to surrender their wealth to western companies. Oil and mining companies for example forcing nations to take their own western employees to work in their plants abroad to the detriment of local workers. This was quite obvious with the stance Britain took agains the Iranian revolution when they kicked the British companies out and started pumping and running the oil operations themselves - somethig which Britain wrongly told them was beyond them and tried to force them to undo - we can see this in Libya, Algeria all over the world. Resources and income being stolen from the locals to come back to us, the Brits. Then their is unfair trade like banning african and others from exporting finished goods, forcing them to accept commodity prices for cotton, coco etc. Then their is the crown jewels that sit on the queens head, stolen from India. And lets not even get started on the British Museum - the largest and most valuable collection of stolen goods anywhere in the world - gods which even today Britain refuses to return even though they were stolen. You can cry all you like, and you will do, down at the pub on benefits day, when the pubs are most busy and packed - but it doesnt change the fact of what goes around, comes around. And dont tout that nonsense of obeying "our laws" - the figures on crime in this country are shocking - which is why we have an overcrowding problem in our jails - average council estate dewlling chav in Blithey does not care one bit about respecting "our laws". Within 2-3 generations many Pakistani immigrants have been able to educate themselves, get better jobs and buy their own homes - perhaps many should soul search why so many indigenous have not been able to do the same within 2-3 generations in their own country, entitled to the same services and beenfits etc Keep whining, im playing the worlds smallest violin for you all as we speak.
Within 2-3 generations? Look where they all still live? Haven't they done well? How amusing that you think 17 people living in a terraced house in Girlington with drug dealers for sons demonstrates success!!
How would they know any different look on the TV and see how they live in Pakistan,Afganistan, drugs and corruption are a way of life,growing poppies and selling it on to the likes of the Taliban..!! and we think we have problems with "this coalition government".
[quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thingybob68[/bold] wrote: Sadly I agree with Ifty, it is most definitely Karma. Britain has invaded and colonised most of the world in an overt way - that supposedly ended by the 1960s, however covertly Britain and the West subjugate many third world nations in the middle east, africa and asia with unfair trade practices and corruption, bribery and in some cases threats of regime change to force those nations to surrender their wealth to western companies. Oil and mining companies for example forcing nations to take their own western employees to work in their plants abroad to the detriment of local workers. This was quite obvious with the stance Britain took agains the Iranian revolution when they kicked the British companies out and started pumping and running the oil operations themselves - somethig which Britain wrongly told them was beyond them and tried to force them to undo - we can see this in Libya, Algeria all over the world. Resources and income being stolen from the locals to come back to us, the Brits. Then their is unfair trade like banning african and others from exporting finished goods, forcing them to accept commodity prices for cotton, coco etc. Then their is the crown jewels that sit on the queens head, stolen from India. And lets not even get started on the British Museum - the largest and most valuable collection of stolen goods anywhere in the world - gods which even today Britain refuses to return even though they were stolen. You can cry all you like, and you will do, down at the pub on benefits day, when the pubs are most busy and packed - but it doesnt change the fact of what goes around, comes around. And dont tout that nonsense of obeying "our laws" - the figures on crime in this country are shocking - which is why we have an overcrowding problem in our jails - average council estate dewlling chav in Blithey does not care one bit about respecting "our laws". Within 2-3 generations many Pakistani immigrants have been able to educate themselves, get better jobs and buy their own homes - perhaps many should soul search why so many indigenous have not been able to do the same within 2-3 generations in their own country, entitled to the same services and beenfits etc Keep whining, im playing the worlds smallest violin for you all as we speak.[/p][/quote]Within 2-3 generations? Look where they all still live? Haven't they done well? How amusing that you think 17 people living in a terraced house in Girlington with drug dealers for sons demonstrates success!![/p][/quote]How would they know any different look on the TV and see how they live in Pakistan,Afganistan, drugs and corruption are a way of life,growing poppies and selling it on to the likes of the Taliban..!! and we think we have problems with "this coalition government". nowt fresh
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8:20pm Mon 21 Jan 13

birday says...

Albion. wrote:
Shoot 'em.
LOL! Enoughs enough eh?!
[quote][p][bold]Albion.[/bold] wrote: Shoot 'em.[/p][/quote]LOL! Enoughs enough eh?! birday
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8:21pm Mon 21 Jan 13

SinnerSaint says...

In terms of crime, there are 100,000 people in prison in the UK. 12 percent are Muslims. As Muslims only make up about 5% of the population, this is disproportionate.

Lets say the UK Muslim population is 3 million so 12,000 prisoners is 0.4%.

Of the remaining 60 million people of other faiths, 88,000 of them are in prison equalling 0.15% of the total population.

So, to summarise, the percentage of the UK Muslim population in jail is nearly three times higher than for other faiths.

Next?
In terms of crime, there are 100,000 people in prison in the UK. 12 percent are Muslims. As Muslims only make up about 5% of the population, this is disproportionate. Lets say the UK Muslim population is 3 million so 12,000 prisoners is 0.4%. Of the remaining 60 million people of other faiths, 88,000 of them are in prison equalling 0.15% of the total population. So, to summarise, the percentage of the UK Muslim population in jail is nearly three times higher than for other faiths. Next? SinnerSaint
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8:29pm Mon 21 Jan 13

birday says...

thruth9211 wrote:
nowt fresh wrote:
SinnerSaint wrote:
Iftikhar wrote: The problem is the human penchant for nationalism, poisoned with religion, on this tiny planet. If the whole world was properly organised one could live anywhere. A large majority of so called British are descendants of immigrants. Immigration is needed but we need to copy how America does it, They only allow the brightest and the best in where we let everyone in. The question was asked, why do the local people not do the jobs these migrant workers come to do, no one could answer ! But we all know why.........I think having a diverse society is a fantastic thing, and something Britain should be proud of. If the immigrants are sent home who pick the crops? The locals won't! You need to go to Australia and Newzeland and ask about the native about British immigrant and listen what they say. No panic guys. It took a thousand years of steady invasion from the Romans to the Normans to build up the vibrant population of English in the East of the country (those invaders added to the existing British and Celts who did not flee to Wales). Historians look back at that as unsettled times. The more immigrant come to UK the more diverse the country becomes. Surely that's a good thing. A historian who has forgotten that the Norman invasion may have led to todays' UK, but it was a disaster for the population of England (and later Britain) at the time - ask the Saxons if they thought the Norman takeover was a good idea! Why complain when it’s the British who first migrated into other lands enslaving those people? When it is a question on immigration, the feelings are so strong. I wonder why. Serves you right! Britain! When the British colonised the world, it was ok. But now when people from the former colonies and from other countries come to Britain, its not ok? Look into history and then you can cry because what goes around comes around. Don't see why people have such a problem with mass immigration? It enriches our culture and boosts the economy! We have to stop looking at these people as immigrants and think of them as human beings.The immigrants are not to blame because they were invited and welcomed here by our successive government. We have quite large Spanish , French and Italian communities in Brighton and I believe it really enhances the place and adds to diversity of the City. Globalisation is here to stay. Britain colonised & some would say civilised half the world. It's called Karma. Not so long ago British people colonized Asia, living like kings while locals suffering to no end. At least, these migrants do not enslave the Britons, so stop whining please. Just get your facts straight before you start ranting about how the country is filled with 'immigrants'. Why doesn't anyone complain about the millions of brits moving abroad every year eh? what would Britain do without all this work force? coz it looks like brits are too good to do a lot of the jobs and prefer getting their lives paid for by the government? everyone on this planet has the right to live a comfortable live WHEREVER they want. you can't blame people for being hungry and craving for the life they deserve just because some rich guys placing borders wherever they like? If you sent all the immigrants back this country would grind to a halt because they do all the horrible jobs that our unemployed wont do. They don't realise the reason there are so many migrant workers is the locals don't want to get their hands dirty by doing menial hard work, whereas the East Europeans are happy to do it. 5 million Brits live permanently abroad as foreigners, and many also as migrant workers. British women have a low fertility rate of about 1.89 per woman, which means naturally born Brits are not having enough children to replace the generations. Don't see why people have such a problem with mass immigration? It enriches our culture and boosts the economy! Britain is a modern, dynamic, fascinating and multicultural country, if you are a selfish intolerant bigot then feel free to go somewhere else and leave the rest of us in peace. Actually, 97% of Eastern-European immigrants are in full-time employment. Also, there are thousands of Romanians and Bulgarians who are already in the country. Majority of immigrants from these countries came here after 1 January 2007 when both countries became EU members. Immigrants have legal rights to work as a self-employed or, if their partner is a self-employed, they could have an unlimited access to the job market with Blue card. So, the truth is not exactly what the politicians tell you. Cameron cannot stop Romanians' and Bulgarians' free access to the job market from 1 January 2014. The problem is that Cameron has to make budget cuts - civil servants, remember - and he is trying to distract public attention from real issues in the country. I have few friends that work as civil servants - they do not even know what job they suppose to do, but are paid between 30 and 50 grands and have 2 months annual paid leave. This has happened before, mass illegal immigration from Europe. But back then the immigrants were easily identifiable because they came over in long ships and wore horns on their hats, and gave names to parts of Lincolnshire like 'Danelaw' and similar. They took land, and jobs, and skewed the local economy in their favour, and historians refer to that period as the Viking invasion. Fact is, Europeans like it here and have done for millennia. A problem for local farmers who rely on foreign workers to pick produce because local workers don't want to put the hours in and also in the ladies business sector - social care where a large proportion of workers are also foreign as in the hotel industry. Often hospitality companies offer zero hour contracts which in my area immigrants from Ghana often fill because they are more flexible. What's the solution - stop immigration and risk staff shortages and empty veg shelves in supermarkets and bums going unwiped in care homes - I don't know. There are often unforeseen effects. The reason there are a lot of immigrants in Lincoln is because of the royal farmlands that need cheap labour for the Royal profits. Iftikhar Ahmad London School of Islamics Trust http://www.londonsch oolofislamics.org.uk
That's just the problem - everybody DOESN'T have a right to travel or work wherever they like. There are laws in this country that control it and they are there for a variety of good reasons. I know that some members of a certain community don't think the laws of this country apply to them and from reading your text above you seem to agree with that. There are laws in this country and they are made to be respected - BY EVERYONE.
Iftikhar Ahmad the only law this guy wants is "sharia law"..!!
Nowt fresh

Your a n0b sucking ****,

British have ruled illegally for years and when people from different nations come to this country you cry like bit ches

British people seems like they dont want to work, relying on benefits, name citys like HUll, Bradford, Barnsley etc

Get these benefits cheats out and make to work

This law sucks

A person that can kill is given a few years sentence if drunk, but a person that carrys a gun, gets upto 14 years

Law sucks

Eye for an eye
Cave person!
[quote][p][bold]thruth9211[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nowt fresh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Iftikhar[/bold] wrote: The problem is the human penchant for nationalism, poisoned with religion, on this tiny planet. If the whole world was properly organised one could live anywhere. A large majority of so called British are descendants of immigrants. Immigration is needed but we need to copy how America does it, They only allow the brightest and the best in where we let everyone in. The question was asked, why do the local people not do the jobs these migrant workers come to do, no one could answer ! But we all know why.........I think having a diverse society is a fantastic thing, and something Britain should be proud of. If the immigrants are sent home who pick the crops? The locals won't! You need to go to Australia and Newzeland and ask about the native about British immigrant and listen what they say. No panic guys. It took a thousand years of steady invasion from the Romans to the Normans to build up the vibrant population of English in the East of the country (those invaders added to the existing British and Celts who did not flee to Wales). Historians look back at that as unsettled times. The more immigrant come to UK the more diverse the country becomes. Surely that's a good thing. A historian who has forgotten that the Norman invasion may have led to todays' UK, but it was a disaster for the population of England (and later Britain) at the time - ask the Saxons if they thought the Norman takeover was a good idea! Why complain when it’s the British who first migrated into other lands enslaving those people? When it is a question on immigration, the feelings are so strong. I wonder why. Serves you right! Britain! When the British colonised the world, it was ok. But now when people from the former colonies and from other countries come to Britain, its not ok? Look into history and then you can cry because what goes around comes around. Don't see why people have such a problem with mass immigration? It enriches our culture and boosts the economy! We have to stop looking at these people as immigrants and think of them as human beings.The immigrants are not to blame because they were invited and welcomed here by our successive government. We have quite large Spanish , French and Italian communities in Brighton and I believe it really enhances the place and adds to diversity of the City. Globalisation is here to stay. Britain colonised & some would say civilised half the world. It's called Karma. Not so long ago British people colonized Asia, living like kings while locals suffering to no end. At least, these migrants do not enslave the Britons, so stop whining please. Just get your facts straight before you start ranting about how the country is filled with 'immigrants'. Why doesn't anyone complain about the millions of brits moving abroad every year eh? what would Britain do without all this work force? coz it looks like brits are too good to do a lot of the jobs and prefer getting their lives paid for by the government? everyone on this planet has the right to live a comfortable live WHEREVER they want. you can't blame people for being hungry and craving for the life they deserve just because some rich guys placing borders wherever they like? If you sent all the immigrants back this country would grind to a halt because they do all the horrible jobs that our unemployed wont do. They don't realise the reason there are so many migrant workers is the locals don't want to get their hands dirty by doing menial hard work, whereas the East Europeans are happy to do it. 5 million Brits live permanently abroad as foreigners, and many also as migrant workers. British women have a low fertility rate of about 1.89 per woman, which means naturally born Brits are not having enough children to replace the generations. Don't see why people have such a problem with mass immigration? It enriches our culture and boosts the economy! Britain is a modern, dynamic, fascinating and multicultural country, if you are a selfish intolerant bigot then feel free to go somewhere else and leave the rest of us in peace. Actually, 97% of Eastern-European immigrants are in full-time employment. Also, there are thousands of Romanians and Bulgarians who are already in the country. Majority of immigrants from these countries came here after 1 January 2007 when both countries became EU members. Immigrants have legal rights to work as a self-employed or, if their partner is a self-employed, they could have an unlimited access to the job market with Blue card. So, the truth is not exactly what the politicians tell you. Cameron cannot stop Romanians' and Bulgarians' free access to the job market from 1 January 2014. The problem is that Cameron has to make budget cuts - civil servants, remember - and he is trying to distract public attention from real issues in the country. I have few friends that work as civil servants - they do not even know what job they suppose to do, but are paid between 30 and 50 grands and have 2 months annual paid leave. This has happened before, mass illegal immigration from Europe. But back then the immigrants were easily identifiable because they came over in long ships and wore horns on their hats, and gave names to parts of Lincolnshire like 'Danelaw' and similar. They took land, and jobs, and skewed the local economy in their favour, and historians refer to that period as the Viking invasion. Fact is, Europeans like it here and have done for millennia. A problem for local farmers who rely on foreign workers to pick produce because local workers don't want to put the hours in and also in the ladies business sector - social care where a large proportion of workers are also foreign as in the hotel industry. Often hospitality companies offer zero hour contracts which in my area immigrants from Ghana often fill because they are more flexible. What's the solution - stop immigration and risk staff shortages and empty veg shelves in supermarkets and bums going unwiped in care homes - I don't know. There are often unforeseen effects. The reason there are a lot of immigrants in Lincoln is because of the royal farmlands that need cheap labour for the Royal profits. Iftikhar Ahmad London School of Islamics Trust http://www.londonsch oolofislamics.org.uk[/p][/quote]That's just the problem - everybody DOESN'T have a right to travel or work wherever they like. There are laws in this country that control it and they are there for a variety of good reasons. I know that some members of a certain community don't think the laws of this country apply to them and from reading your text above you seem to agree with that. There are laws in this country and they are made to be respected - BY EVERYONE.[/p][/quote]Iftikhar Ahmad the only law this guy wants is "sharia law"..!![/p][/quote]Nowt fresh Your a n0b sucking ****, British have ruled illegally for years and when people from different nations come to this country you cry like bit ches British people seems like they dont want to work, relying on benefits, name citys like HUll, Bradford, Barnsley etc Get these benefits cheats out and make to work This law sucks A person that can kill is given a few years sentence if drunk, but a person that carrys a gun, gets upto 14 years Law sucks Eye for an eye[/p][/quote]Cave person! birday
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8:44pm Mon 21 Jan 13

thingybob68 says...

SinnerSaint wrote:
thingybob68 wrote:
Sadly I agree with Ifty, it is most definitely Karma.

Britain has invaded and colonised most of the world in an overt way - that supposedly ended by the 1960s, however covertly Britain and the West subjugate many third world nations in the middle east, africa and asia with unfair trade practices and corruption, bribery and in some cases threats of regime change to force those nations to surrender their wealth to western companies.

Oil and mining companies for example forcing nations to take their own western employees to work in their plants abroad to the detriment of local workers.

This was quite obvious with the stance Britain took agains the Iranian revolution when they kicked the British companies out and started pumping and running the oil operations themselves - somethig which Britain wrongly told them was beyond them and tried to force them to undo - we can see this in Libya, Algeria all over the world.

Resources and income being stolen from the locals to come back to us, the Brits.

Then their is unfair trade like banning african and others from exporting finished goods, forcing them to accept commodity prices for cotton, coco etc.

Then their is the crown jewels that sit on the queens head, stolen from India.

And lets not even get started on the British Museum - the largest and most valuable collection of stolen goods anywhere in the world - gods which even today Britain refuses to return even though they were stolen.

You can cry all you like, and you will do, down at the pub on benefits day, when the pubs are most busy and packed - but it doesnt change the fact of what goes around, comes around.

And dont tout that nonsense of obeying "our laws" - the figures on crime in this country are shocking - which is why we have an overcrowding problem in our jails - average council estate dewlling chav in Blithey does not care one bit about respecting "our laws".

Within 2-3 generations many Pakistani immigrants have been able to educate themselves, get better jobs and buy their own homes - perhaps many should soul search why so many indigenous have not been able to do the same within 2-3 generations in their own country, entitled to the same services and beenfits etc

Keep whining, im playing the worlds smallest violin for you all as we speak.
Within 2-3 generations? Look where they all still live? Haven't they done well? How amusing that you think 17 people living in a terraced house in Girlington with drug dealers for sons demonstrates success!!
That is a racist stereotype used by some of the green eyed monster bearing indigenous types who like to trot out such steretypes to make themselves feel better.

For every one breaking the law there are many many more earning a proper living, some living within their immediate family others preferring to live with their extended family - lookingafter their parents, brothers etc.

This is much the same as the racist stereotype and exageated attention about the one illegal bazaar which has multiplied in the imaginations of the indigenous to become many hundreds and gets mentioned at great length in the t&a in the comments and the forum.

But hey, whatever makes you feel better about your own failures in life.
[quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thingybob68[/bold] wrote: Sadly I agree with Ifty, it is most definitely Karma. Britain has invaded and colonised most of the world in an overt way - that supposedly ended by the 1960s, however covertly Britain and the West subjugate many third world nations in the middle east, africa and asia with unfair trade practices and corruption, bribery and in some cases threats of regime change to force those nations to surrender their wealth to western companies. Oil and mining companies for example forcing nations to take their own western employees to work in their plants abroad to the detriment of local workers. This was quite obvious with the stance Britain took agains the Iranian revolution when they kicked the British companies out and started pumping and running the oil operations themselves - somethig which Britain wrongly told them was beyond them and tried to force them to undo - we can see this in Libya, Algeria all over the world. Resources and income being stolen from the locals to come back to us, the Brits. Then their is unfair trade like banning african and others from exporting finished goods, forcing them to accept commodity prices for cotton, coco etc. Then their is the crown jewels that sit on the queens head, stolen from India. And lets not even get started on the British Museum - the largest and most valuable collection of stolen goods anywhere in the world - gods which even today Britain refuses to return even though they were stolen. You can cry all you like, and you will do, down at the pub on benefits day, when the pubs are most busy and packed - but it doesnt change the fact of what goes around, comes around. And dont tout that nonsense of obeying "our laws" - the figures on crime in this country are shocking - which is why we have an overcrowding problem in our jails - average council estate dewlling chav in Blithey does not care one bit about respecting "our laws". Within 2-3 generations many Pakistani immigrants have been able to educate themselves, get better jobs and buy their own homes - perhaps many should soul search why so many indigenous have not been able to do the same within 2-3 generations in their own country, entitled to the same services and beenfits etc Keep whining, im playing the worlds smallest violin for you all as we speak.[/p][/quote]Within 2-3 generations? Look where they all still live? Haven't they done well? How amusing that you think 17 people living in a terraced house in Girlington with drug dealers for sons demonstrates success!![/p][/quote]That is a racist stereotype used by some of the green eyed monster bearing indigenous types who like to trot out such steretypes to make themselves feel better. For every one breaking the law there are many many more earning a proper living, some living within their immediate family others preferring to live with their extended family - lookingafter their parents, brothers etc. This is much the same as the racist stereotype and exageated attention about the one illegal bazaar which has multiplied in the imaginations of the indigenous to become many hundreds and gets mentioned at great length in the t&a in the comments and the forum. But hey, whatever makes you feel better about your own failures in life. thingybob68
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8:47pm Mon 21 Jan 13

SinnerSaint says...

thingybob68 wrote:
SinnerSaint wrote:
thingybob68 wrote:
Sadly I agree with Ifty, it is most definitely Karma.

Britain has invaded and colonised most of the world in an overt way - that supposedly ended by the 1960s, however covertly Britain and the West subjugate many third world nations in the middle east, africa and asia with unfair trade practices and corruption, bribery and in some cases threats of regime change to force those nations to surrender their wealth to western companies.

Oil and mining companies for example forcing nations to take their own western employees to work in their plants abroad to the detriment of local workers.

This was quite obvious with the stance Britain took agains the Iranian revolution when they kicked the British companies out and started pumping and running the oil operations themselves - somethig which Britain wrongly told them was beyond them and tried to force them to undo - we can see this in Libya, Algeria all over the world.

Resources and income being stolen from the locals to come back to us, the Brits.

Then their is unfair trade like banning african and others from exporting finished goods, forcing them to accept commodity prices for cotton, coco etc.

Then their is the crown jewels that sit on the queens head, stolen from India.

And lets not even get started on the British Museum - the largest and most valuable collection of stolen goods anywhere in the world - gods which even today Britain refuses to return even though they were stolen.

You can cry all you like, and you will do, down at the pub on benefits day, when the pubs are most busy and packed - but it doesnt change the fact of what goes around, comes around.

And dont tout that nonsense of obeying "our laws" - the figures on crime in this country are shocking - which is why we have an overcrowding problem in our jails - average council estate dewlling chav in Blithey does not care one bit about respecting "our laws".

Within 2-3 generations many Pakistani immigrants have been able to educate themselves, get better jobs and buy their own homes - perhaps many should soul search why so many indigenous have not been able to do the same within 2-3 generations in their own country, entitled to the same services and beenfits etc

Keep whining, im playing the worlds smallest violin for you all as we speak.
Within 2-3 generations? Look where they all still live? Haven't they done well? How amusing that you think 17 people living in a terraced house in Girlington with drug dealers for sons demonstrates success!!
That is a racist stereotype used by some of the green eyed monster bearing indigenous types who like to trot out such steretypes to make themselves feel better.

For every one breaking the law there are many many more earning a proper living, some living within their immediate family others preferring to live with their extended family - lookingafter their parents, brothers etc.

This is much the same as the racist stereotype and exageated attention about the one illegal bazaar which has multiplied in the imaginations of the indigenous to become many hundreds and gets mentioned at great length in the t&a in the comments and the forum.

But hey, whatever makes you feel better about your own failures in life.
So are you saying the huge majority of Bradford's Muslim population don't live in the same areas? All of them total holes....
[quote][p][bold]thingybob68[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thingybob68[/bold] wrote: Sadly I agree with Ifty, it is most definitely Karma. Britain has invaded and colonised most of the world in an overt way - that supposedly ended by the 1960s, however covertly Britain and the West subjugate many third world nations in the middle east, africa and asia with unfair trade practices and corruption, bribery and in some cases threats of regime change to force those nations to surrender their wealth to western companies. Oil and mining companies for example forcing nations to take their own western employees to work in their plants abroad to the detriment of local workers. This was quite obvious with the stance Britain took agains the Iranian revolution when they kicked the British companies out and started pumping and running the oil operations themselves - somethig which Britain wrongly told them was beyond them and tried to force them to undo - we can see this in Libya, Algeria all over the world. Resources and income being stolen from the locals to come back to us, the Brits. Then their is unfair trade like banning african and others from exporting finished goods, forcing them to accept commodity prices for cotton, coco etc. Then their is the crown jewels that sit on the queens head, stolen from India. And lets not even get started on the British Museum - the largest and most valuable collection of stolen goods anywhere in the world - gods which even today Britain refuses to return even though they were stolen. You can cry all you like, and you will do, down at the pub on benefits day, when the pubs are most busy and packed - but it doesnt change the fact of what goes around, comes around. And dont tout that nonsense of obeying "our laws" - the figures on crime in this country are shocking - which is why we have an overcrowding problem in our jails - average council estate dewlling chav in Blithey does not care one bit about respecting "our laws". Within 2-3 generations many Pakistani immigrants have been able to educate themselves, get better jobs and buy their own homes - perhaps many should soul search why so many indigenous have not been able to do the same within 2-3 generations in their own country, entitled to the same services and beenfits etc Keep whining, im playing the worlds smallest violin for you all as we speak.[/p][/quote]Within 2-3 generations? Look where they all still live? Haven't they done well? How amusing that you think 17 people living in a terraced house in Girlington with drug dealers for sons demonstrates success!![/p][/quote]That is a racist stereotype used by some of the green eyed monster bearing indigenous types who like to trot out such steretypes to make themselves feel better. For every one breaking the law there are many many more earning a proper living, some living within their immediate family others preferring to live with their extended family - lookingafter their parents, brothers etc. This is much the same as the racist stereotype and exageated attention about the one illegal bazaar which has multiplied in the imaginations of the indigenous to become many hundreds and gets mentioned at great length in the t&a in the comments and the forum. But hey, whatever makes you feel better about your own failures in life.[/p][/quote]So are you saying the huge majority of Bradford's Muslim population don't live in the same areas? All of them total holes.... SinnerSaint
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8:47pm Mon 21 Jan 13

bradfordlad says...

oh deary me, petty racist drivel from a few here as per usual, maybe you should look at your own sad pathetic lives, jealous of succesful immigrants who work hard and have good lives, jealous that imigrants are coming to this country but they themselves would happily become an immigrant in another country where their lives would be bettered financially, i know so many white britans living abroad because they earn more money where they are ... arent these immigrants doing the same by coming here for a financially better life? yes the benefits sytem should be changed but that is not their fault but the governments .... stop whining .... my parents are immigrants but im born here .... what do you want to do about it? send me where ? i earn good money, working hard with multiple businesses ... i work 10-12 hours a day ... drive a flash car and live in a big house ... oh jealous again because your living in rented property and driving a small car, sad pathetic people ... and albion sounds like a typical white 50 year old paedophile sat in his council house surfing the net
oh deary me, petty racist drivel from a few here as per usual, maybe you should look at your own sad pathetic lives, jealous of succesful immigrants who work hard and have good lives, jealous that imigrants are coming to this country but they themselves would happily become an immigrant in another country where their lives would be bettered financially, i know so many white britans living abroad because they earn more money where they are ... arent these immigrants doing the same by coming here for a financially better life? yes the benefits sytem should be changed but that is not their fault but the governments .... stop whining .... my parents are immigrants but im born here .... what do you want to do about it? send me where ? i earn good money, working hard with multiple businesses ... i work 10-12 hours a day ... drive a flash car and live in a big house ... oh jealous again because your living in rented property and driving a small car, sad pathetic people ... and albion sounds like a typical white 50 year old paedophile sat in his council house surfing the net bradfordlad
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8:51pm Mon 21 Jan 13

thingybob68 says...

SinnerSaint wrote:
In terms of crime, there are 100,000 people in prison in the UK. 12 percent are Muslims. As Muslims only make up about 5% of the population, this is disproportionate.

Lets say the UK Muslim population is 3 million so 12,000 prisoners is 0.4%.

Of the remaining 60 million people of other faiths, 88,000 of them are in prison equalling 0.15% of the total population.

So, to summarise, the percentage of the UK Muslim population in jail is nearly three times higher than for other faiths.

Next?
Not sure why youve skipped from pakistanis to muslims but i'll answer you nonetheless.

Your stat about muslims is not true, ONLY the muslim YOUTH are over represented and only in the YOUTH PRISONs, not all muslims in prison.

And this ratio is the same for blacks, who are also disproprtionately over represented by the same ratio.

This over representation by muslim youth is a new phenomenan that appeared from 2001 to present ie since 9/11.

Since its common knowledge that muslims are now the new blacks or jews, it is hardly surprising muslim youth are now finding themselves more likley to be in custody when comparing like for like sentencing against indigenous youths or adults.

So lets look further into why MUSLIM YOUTH are over represented in YOUTH PRISON, there are a variety of opinions by acedemics on this subject, an anaylsis of 596,000 offences commited, showed a hupe disparity in sentancing amongst different ethnic groups based on like for like crimes, heres a few stats;

The study, carried out by the Guardian, found black offenders were 44% more likely than white offenders to be sentenced to prison for driving offences.


Asian offenders were 41% more likely to be sent to prison for drugs offences than their white counterparts

http://www.guardian.

co.uk/law/2011/nov/2

5/ethnic-variations-

jail-sentences-study



Let me reiterate, this is comparing sentencing for like for like crimes, so according to this analysis an asian is 41% more likley to go to prison than a white person for the same drugs offence.

Again the reason for why black and other ethnic minorities are more likely to be sent to prisonis not clear cut and subject to much debate, some academics say its a sign of racism, but who can say?
[quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: In terms of crime, there are 100,000 people in prison in the UK. 12 percent are Muslims. As Muslims only make up about 5% of the population, this is disproportionate. Lets say the UK Muslim population is 3 million so 12,000 prisoners is 0.4%. Of the remaining 60 million people of other faiths, 88,000 of them are in prison equalling 0.15% of the total population. So, to summarise, the percentage of the UK Muslim population in jail is nearly three times higher than for other faiths. Next?[/p][/quote]Not sure why youve skipped from pakistanis to muslims but i'll answer you nonetheless. Your stat about muslims is not true, ONLY the muslim YOUTH are over represented and only in the YOUTH PRISONs, not all muslims in prison. And this ratio is the same for blacks, who are also disproprtionately over represented by the same ratio. This over representation by muslim youth is a new phenomenan that appeared from 2001 to present ie since 9/11. Since its common knowledge that muslims are now the new blacks or jews, it is hardly surprising muslim youth are now finding themselves more likley to be in custody when comparing like for like sentencing against indigenous youths or adults. So lets look further into why MUSLIM YOUTH are over represented in YOUTH PRISON, there are a variety of opinions by acedemics on this subject, an anaylsis of 596,000 offences commited, showed a hupe disparity in sentancing amongst different ethnic groups based on like for like crimes, heres a few stats; The study, carried out by the Guardian, found black offenders were 44% more likely than white offenders to be sentenced to prison for driving offences. Asian offenders were 41% more likely to be sent to prison for drugs offences than their white counterparts http://www.guardian. co.uk/law/2011/nov/2 5/ethnic-variations- jail-sentences-study Let me reiterate, this is comparing sentencing for like for like crimes, so according to this analysis an asian is 41% more likley to go to prison than a white person for the same drugs offence. Again the reason for why black and other ethnic minorities are more likely to be sent to prisonis not clear cut and subject to much debate, some academics say its a sign of racism, but who can say? thingybob68
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8:52pm Mon 21 Jan 13

SinnerSaint says...

And seriously, you just have to look at a certain Bradford Councillor... Arrested for violent disorder.... sons in jail, a son on the run and this is a pillar of your society - the vice-chairman of Keighley Muslim Society?

Yet you would have us believe that butter wouldn't melt? Deluded, in denial or completely mad. Which is it?
And seriously, you just have to look at a certain Bradford Councillor... Arrested for violent disorder.... sons in jail, a son on the run and this is a pillar of your society - the vice-chairman of Keighley Muslim Society? Yet you would have us believe that butter wouldn't melt? Deluded, in denial or completely mad. Which is it? SinnerSaint
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8:57pm Mon 21 Jan 13

The Hoffster says...

SinnerSaint wrote:
In terms of crime, there are 100,000 people in prison in the UK. 12 percent are Muslims. As Muslims only make up about 5% of the population, this is disproportionate.

Lets say the UK Muslim population is 3 million so 12,000 prisoners is 0.4%.

Of the remaining 60 million people of other faiths, 88,000 of them are in prison equalling 0.15% of the total population.

So, to summarise, the percentage of the UK Muslim population in jail is nearly three times higher than for other faiths.

Next?
What's the religious (or non-religious) persuasion of criminals got to do with anything?

And if we're going down that line, how many Christians are locked up?

Or how many atheists?

The Islamophobes need to get a life.
[quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: In terms of crime, there are 100,000 people in prison in the UK. 12 percent are Muslims. As Muslims only make up about 5% of the population, this is disproportionate. Lets say the UK Muslim population is 3 million so 12,000 prisoners is 0.4%. Of the remaining 60 million people of other faiths, 88,000 of them are in prison equalling 0.15% of the total population. So, to summarise, the percentage of the UK Muslim population in jail is nearly three times higher than for other faiths. Next?[/p][/quote]What's the religious (or non-religious) persuasion of criminals got to do with anything? And if we're going down that line, how many Christians are locked up? Or how many atheists? The Islamophobes need to get a life. The Hoffster
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8:59pm Mon 21 Jan 13

The Hoffster says...

SinnerSaint wrote:
And seriously, you just have to look at a certain Bradford Councillor... Arrested for violent disorder.... sons in jail, a son on the run and this is a pillar of your society - the vice-chairman of Keighley Muslim Society?

Yet you would have us believe that butter wouldn't melt? Deluded, in denial or completely mad. Which is it?
Do you think the majority of Muslims in Bradford care who the councillors are?

Or the majority of *non* Muslims too?

No-one (regardless of race, colour, or creed) could give a toss who they are. They're all in it for themselves.

Hopefully we can call agree on *that*.
[quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: And seriously, you just have to look at a certain Bradford Councillor... Arrested for violent disorder.... sons in jail, a son on the run and this is a pillar of your society - the vice-chairman of Keighley Muslim Society? Yet you would have us believe that butter wouldn't melt? Deluded, in denial or completely mad. Which is it?[/p][/quote]Do you think the majority of Muslims in Bradford care who the councillors are? Or the majority of *non* Muslims too? No-one (regardless of race, colour, or creed) could give a toss who they are. They're all in it for themselves. Hopefully we can call agree on *that*. The Hoffster
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9:00pm Mon 21 Jan 13

thingybob68 says...

SinnerSaint wrote:
thingybob68 wrote:
SinnerSaint wrote:
thingybob68 wrote:
Sadly I agree with Ifty, it is most definitely Karma.

Britain has invaded and colonised most of the world in an overt way - that supposedly ended by the 1960s, however covertly Britain and the West subjugate many third world nations in the middle east, africa and asia with unfair trade practices and corruption, bribery and in some cases threats of regime change to force those nations to surrender their wealth to western companies.

Oil and mining companies for example forcing nations to take their own western employees to work in their plants abroad to the detriment of local workers.

This was quite obvious with the stance Britain took agains the Iranian revolution when they kicked the British companies out and started pumping and running the oil operations themselves - somethig which Britain wrongly told them was beyond them and tried to force them to undo - we can see this in Libya, Algeria all over the world.

Resources and income being stolen from the locals to come back to us, the Brits.

Then their is unfair trade like banning african and others from exporting finished goods, forcing them to accept commodity prices for cotton, coco etc.

Then their is the crown jewels that sit on the queens head, stolen from India.

And lets not even get started on the British Museum - the largest and most valuable collection of stolen goods anywhere in the world - gods which even today Britain refuses to return even though they were stolen.

You can cry all you like, and you will do, down at the pub on benefits day, when the pubs are most busy and packed - but it doesnt change the fact of what goes around, comes around.

And dont tout that nonsense of obeying "our laws" - the figures on crime in this country are shocking - which is why we have an overcrowding problem in our jails - average council estate dewlling chav in Blithey does not care one bit about respecting "our laws".

Within 2-3 generations many Pakistani immigrants have been able to educate themselves, get better jobs and buy their own homes - perhaps many should soul search why so many indigenous have not been able to do the same within 2-3 generations in their own country, entitled to the same services and beenfits etc

Keep whining, im playing the worlds smallest violin for you all as we speak.
Within 2-3 generations? Look where they all still live? Haven't they done well? How amusing that you think 17 people living in a terraced house in Girlington with drug dealers for sons demonstrates success!!
That is a racist stereotype used by some of the green eyed monster bearing indigenous types who like to trot out such steretypes to make themselves feel better.

For every one breaking the law there are many many more earning a proper living, some living within their immediate family others preferring to live with their extended family - lookingafter their parents, brothers etc.

This is much the same as the racist stereotype and exageated attention about the one illegal bazaar which has multiplied in the imaginations of the indigenous to become many hundreds and gets mentioned at great length in the t&a in the comments and the forum.

But hey, whatever makes you feel better about your own failures in life.
So are you saying the huge majority of Bradford's Muslim population don't live in the same areas? All of them total holes....
thats right, only your racist ignorance, hatred and lack of regard for pakistanis is the reason you cal them "holes" - thee areas are leagues ahead of any coucnil sh ite hole youcould mention in Bradford.

Paksitani families prefer to leave together and are very happy and content to live in what others might think as less fancy housing just to be near one another.

a close childhood freind of mine is a well knwon millionaire in Bradford from property and he lives in a very ordinary terraced - i asked him why he does not move to a more "affluent" area and he stated he does not one to be far from his parenst and his "mates" - their are many very wealthy peopel like this in Bradford who could live in Hrrogate or any wealthy area in yorkshire but dont want to leave the neighbourhoods they have grown up.

I am BD7 born and raised, ive spend last few years i a gfew other areas, i have been abroad to work, but still, ive never been happiest than when im in my old neghbourhood with the people I grew up with.

They might be "holes" to yo just because many pakistanis live their but many people are happy, and doint move even when they can afford to.

The areas are light years apart from the feral ares of holmewood, rave, wibsey, queensbury, windhill and such chav estates.

Its the people that make the place NOT the buildings.

Love and peace.

lol
[quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thingybob68[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thingybob68[/bold] wrote: Sadly I agree with Ifty, it is most definitely Karma. Britain has invaded and colonised most of the world in an overt way - that supposedly ended by the 1960s, however covertly Britain and the West subjugate many third world nations in the middle east, africa and asia with unfair trade practices and corruption, bribery and in some cases threats of regime change to force those nations to surrender their wealth to western companies. Oil and mining companies for example forcing nations to take their own western employees to work in their plants abroad to the detriment of local workers. This was quite obvious with the stance Britain took agains the Iranian revolution when they kicked the British companies out and started pumping and running the oil operations themselves - somethig which Britain wrongly told them was beyond them and tried to force them to undo - we can see this in Libya, Algeria all over the world. Resources and income being stolen from the locals to come back to us, the Brits. Then their is unfair trade like banning african and others from exporting finished goods, forcing them to accept commodity prices for cotton, coco etc. Then their is the crown jewels that sit on the queens head, stolen from India. And lets not even get started on the British Museum - the largest and most valuable collection of stolen goods anywhere in the world - gods which even today Britain refuses to return even though they were stolen. You can cry all you like, and you will do, down at the pub on benefits day, when the pubs are most busy and packed - but it doesnt change the fact of what goes around, comes around. And dont tout that nonsense of obeying "our laws" - the figures on crime in this country are shocking - which is why we have an overcrowding problem in our jails - average council estate dewlling chav in Blithey does not care one bit about respecting "our laws". Within 2-3 generations many Pakistani immigrants have been able to educate themselves, get better jobs and buy their own homes - perhaps many should soul search why so many indigenous have not been able to do the same within 2-3 generations in their own country, entitled to the same services and beenfits etc Keep whining, im playing the worlds smallest violin for you all as we speak.[/p][/quote]Within 2-3 generations? Look where they all still live? Haven't they done well? How amusing that you think 17 people living in a terraced house in Girlington with drug dealers for sons demonstrates success!![/p][/quote]That is a racist stereotype used by some of the green eyed monster bearing indigenous types who like to trot out such steretypes to make themselves feel better. For every one breaking the law there are many many more earning a proper living, some living within their immediate family others preferring to live with their extended family - lookingafter their parents, brothers etc. This is much the same as the racist stereotype and exageated attention about the one illegal bazaar which has multiplied in the imaginations of the indigenous to become many hundreds and gets mentioned at great length in the t&a in the comments and the forum. But hey, whatever makes you feel better about your own failures in life.[/p][/quote]So are you saying the huge majority of Bradford's Muslim population don't live in the same areas? All of them total holes....[/p][/quote]thats right, only your racist ignorance, hatred and lack of regard for pakistanis is the reason you cal them "holes" - thee areas are leagues ahead of any coucnil sh ite hole youcould mention in Bradford. Paksitani families prefer to leave together and are very happy and content to live in what others might think as less fancy housing just to be near one another. a close childhood freind of mine is a well knwon millionaire in Bradford from property and he lives in a very ordinary terraced - i asked him why he does not move to a more "affluent" area and he stated he does not one to be far from his parenst and his "mates" - their are many very wealthy peopel like this in Bradford who could live in Hrrogate or any wealthy area in yorkshire but dont want to leave the neighbourhoods they have grown up. I am BD7 born and raised, ive spend last few years i a gfew other areas, i have been abroad to work, but still, ive never been happiest than when im in my old neghbourhood with the people I grew up with. They might be "holes" to yo just because many pakistanis live their but many people are happy, and doint move even when they can afford to. The areas are light years apart from the feral ares of holmewood, rave, wibsey, queensbury, windhill and such chav estates. Its the people that make the place NOT the buildings. Love and peace. lol thingybob68
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9:03pm Mon 21 Jan 13

thingybob68 says...

SinnerSaint wrote:
And seriously, you just have to look at a certain Bradford Councillor... Arrested for violent disorder.... sons in jail, a son on the run and this is a pillar of your society - the vice-chairman of Keighley Muslim Society?

Yet you would have us believe that butter wouldn't melt? Deluded, in denial or completely mad. Which is it?
Your EDL mates arent having a good year either - are they - whats Tommy Robinson upto these days?

What about your celebrity heroes like Jimmy Saville - how many white MPS and councilors have been banged up for fraud, tax expenses fiddling etc?

Crime is hardly a race "thing", no matter how you you unedcated, EDL following chavs would like to make out.
[quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: And seriously, you just have to look at a certain Bradford Councillor... Arrested for violent disorder.... sons in jail, a son on the run and this is a pillar of your society - the vice-chairman of Keighley Muslim Society? Yet you would have us believe that butter wouldn't melt? Deluded, in denial or completely mad. Which is it?[/p][/quote]Your EDL mates arent having a good year either - are they - whats Tommy Robinson upto these days? What about your celebrity heroes like Jimmy Saville - how many white MPS and councilors have been banged up for fraud, tax expenses fiddling etc? Crime is hardly a race "thing", no matter how you you unedcated, EDL following chavs would like to make out. thingybob68
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9:04pm Mon 21 Jan 13

nowt fresh says...

bradfordlad wrote:
oh deary me, petty racist drivel from a few here as per usual, maybe you should look at your own sad pathetic lives, jealous of succesful immigrants who work hard and have good lives, jealous that imigrants are coming to this country but they themselves would happily become an immigrant in another country where their lives would be bettered financially, i know so many white britans living abroad because they earn more money where they are ... arent these immigrants doing the same by coming here for a financially better life? yes the benefits sytem should be changed but that is not their fault but the governments .... stop whining .... my parents are immigrants but im born here .... what do you want to do about it? send me where ? i earn good money, working hard with multiple businesses ... i work 10-12 hours a day ... drive a flash car and live in a big house ... oh jealous again because your living in rented property and driving a small car, sad pathetic people ... and albion sounds like a typical white 50 year old paedophile sat in his council house surfing the net
This is the first paragraph from the above reporter: "More than 200 raids have taken place in Bradford by the UK Border Agency (UKBA) in the last three years at factories, restaurants, nursing homes and car washes where workers were thought to be employed illegally". where in the above report does it mention "LEGAL IMMIGRANTS"..!! the ones you relate to above ?.
[quote][p][bold]bradfordlad[/bold] wrote: oh deary me, petty racist drivel from a few here as per usual, maybe you should look at your own sad pathetic lives, jealous of succesful immigrants who work hard and have good lives, jealous that imigrants are coming to this country but they themselves would happily become an immigrant in another country where their lives would be bettered financially, i know so many white britans living abroad because they earn more money where they are ... arent these immigrants doing the same by coming here for a financially better life? yes the benefits sytem should be changed but that is not their fault but the governments .... stop whining .... my parents are immigrants but im born here .... what do you want to do about it? send me where ? i earn good money, working hard with multiple businesses ... i work 10-12 hours a day ... drive a flash car and live in a big house ... oh jealous again because your living in rented property and driving a small car, sad pathetic people ... and albion sounds like a typical white 50 year old paedophile sat in his council house surfing the net[/p][/quote]This is the first paragraph from the above reporter: "More than 200 raids have taken place in Bradford by the UK Border Agency (UKBA) in the last three years at factories, restaurants, nursing homes and car washes where workers were thought to be employed illegally". where in the above report does it mention "LEGAL IMMIGRANTS"..!! the ones you relate to above ?. nowt fresh
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9:04pm Mon 21 Jan 13

The Hoffster says...

thingybob68 wrote:
SinnerSaint wrote:
In terms of crime, there are 100,000 people in prison in the UK. 12 percent are Muslims. As Muslims only make up about 5% of the population, this is disproportionate.

Lets say the UK Muslim population is 3 million so 12,000 prisoners is 0.4%.

Of the remaining 60 million people of other faiths, 88,000 of them are in prison equalling 0.15% of the total population.

So, to summarise, the percentage of the UK Muslim population in jail is nearly three times higher than for other faiths.

Next?
Not sure why youve skipped from pakistanis to muslims but i'll answer you nonetheless.

Your stat about muslims is not true, ONLY the muslim YOUTH are over represented and only in the YOUTH PRISONs, not all muslims in prison.

And this ratio is the same for blacks, who are also disproprtionately over represented by the same ratio.

This over representation by muslim youth is a new phenomenan that appeared from 2001 to present ie since 9/11.

Since its common knowledge that muslims are now the new blacks or jews, it is hardly surprising muslim youth are now finding themselves more likley to be in custody when comparing like for like sentencing against indigenous youths or adults.

So lets look further into why MUSLIM YOUTH are over represented in YOUTH PRISON, there are a variety of opinions by acedemics on this subject, an anaylsis of 596,000 offences commited, showed a hupe disparity in sentancing amongst different ethnic groups based on like for like crimes, heres a few stats;

The study, carried out by the Guardian, found black offenders were 44% more likely than white offenders to be sentenced to prison for driving offences.


Asian offenders were 41% more likely to be sent to prison for drugs offences than their white counterparts

http://www.guardian.


co.uk/law/2011/nov/2


5/ethnic-variations-


jail-sentences-study




Let me reiterate, this is comparing sentencing for like for like crimes, so according to this analysis an asian is 41% more likley to go to prison than a white person for the same drugs offence.

Again the reason for why black and other ethnic minorities are more likely to be sent to prisonis not clear cut and subject to much debate, some academics say its a sign of racism, but who can say?
Good post and thanks for the link. I'll be saving that for future use :)
[quote][p][bold]thingybob68[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: In terms of crime, there are 100,000 people in prison in the UK. 12 percent are Muslims. As Muslims only make up about 5% of the population, this is disproportionate. Lets say the UK Muslim population is 3 million so 12,000 prisoners is 0.4%. Of the remaining 60 million people of other faiths, 88,000 of them are in prison equalling 0.15% of the total population. So, to summarise, the percentage of the UK Muslim population in jail is nearly three times higher than for other faiths. Next?[/p][/quote]Not sure why youve skipped from pakistanis to muslims but i'll answer you nonetheless. Your stat about muslims is not true, ONLY the muslim YOUTH are over represented and only in the YOUTH PRISONs, not all muslims in prison. And this ratio is the same for blacks, who are also disproprtionately over represented by the same ratio. This over representation by muslim youth is a new phenomenan that appeared from 2001 to present ie since 9/11. Since its common knowledge that muslims are now the new blacks or jews, it is hardly surprising muslim youth are now finding themselves more likley to be in custody when comparing like for like sentencing against indigenous youths or adults. So lets look further into why MUSLIM YOUTH are over represented in YOUTH PRISON, there are a variety of opinions by acedemics on this subject, an anaylsis of 596,000 offences commited, showed a hupe disparity in sentancing amongst different ethnic groups based on like for like crimes, heres a few stats; The study, carried out by the Guardian, found black offenders were 44% more likely than white offenders to be sentenced to prison for driving offences. Asian offenders were 41% more likely to be sent to prison for drugs offences than their white counterparts http://www.guardian. co.uk/law/2011/nov/2 5/ethnic-variations- jail-sentences-study Let me reiterate, this is comparing sentencing for like for like crimes, so according to this analysis an asian is 41% more likley to go to prison than a white person for the same drugs offence. Again the reason for why black and other ethnic minorities are more likely to be sent to prisonis not clear cut and subject to much debate, some academics say its a sign of racism, but who can say?[/p][/quote]Good post and thanks for the link. I'll be saving that for future use :) The Hoffster
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9:06pm Mon 21 Jan 13

thingybob68 says...

Oh yes, and a certain EDL leader who was running for a recent byelection as a candidate has been arrested for burglary as well.

lmfao!
Oh yes, and a certain EDL leader who was running for a recent byelection as a candidate has been arrested for burglary as well. lmfao! thingybob68
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9:09pm Mon 21 Jan 13

thingybob68 says...

Marty12 wrote:
The Hoffster wrote:
^^^ Islamophobe.
Is that bad?
is jew-aphobe or christian--phobe?

Ignorant bigot.
[quote][p][bold]Marty12[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Hoffster[/bold] wrote: ^^^ Islamophobe.[/p][/quote]Is that bad?[/p][/quote]is jew-aphobe or christian--phobe? Ignorant bigot. thingybob68
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9:11pm Mon 21 Jan 13

nowt fresh says...

bradfordlad wrote:
oh deary me, petty racist drivel from a few here as per usual, maybe you should look at your own sad pathetic lives, jealous of succesful immigrants who work hard and have good lives, jealous that imigrants are coming to this country but they themselves would happily become an immigrant in another country where their lives would be bettered financially, i know so many white britans living abroad because they earn more money where they are ... arent these immigrants doing the same by coming here for a financially better life? yes the benefits sytem should be changed but that is not their fault but the governments .... stop whining .... my parents are immigrants but im born here .... what do you want to do about it? send me where ? i earn good money, working hard with multiple businesses ... i work 10-12 hours a day ... drive a flash car and live in a big house ... oh jealous again because your living in rented property and driving a small car, sad pathetic people ... and albion sounds like a typical white 50 year old paedophile sat in his council house surfing the net
Love how you start your post: "oh deary me, petty racist drivel from a few here as per usual" and finish with "and albion sounds like a typical white 50 year old paedophile sat in his council house surfing the net" nowt racist there then :-)).
[quote][p][bold]bradfordlad[/bold] wrote: oh deary me, petty racist drivel from a few here as per usual, maybe you should look at your own sad pathetic lives, jealous of succesful immigrants who work hard and have good lives, jealous that imigrants are coming to this country but they themselves would happily become an immigrant in another country where their lives would be bettered financially, i know so many white britans living abroad because they earn more money where they are ... arent these immigrants doing the same by coming here for a financially better life? yes the benefits sytem should be changed but that is not their fault but the governments .... stop whining .... my parents are immigrants but im born here .... what do you want to do about it? send me where ? i earn good money, working hard with multiple businesses ... i work 10-12 hours a day ... drive a flash car and live in a big house ... oh jealous again because your living in rented property and driving a small car, sad pathetic people ... and albion sounds like a typical white 50 year old paedophile sat in his council house surfing the net[/p][/quote]Love how you start your post: "oh deary me, petty racist drivel from a few here as per usual" and finish with "and albion sounds like a typical white 50 year old paedophile sat in his council house surfing the net" nowt racist there then :-)). nowt fresh
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9:13pm Mon 21 Jan 13

bradfordlad says...

nowt fresh wrote:
bradfordlad wrote:
oh deary me, petty racist drivel from a few here as per usual, maybe you should look at your own sad pathetic lives, jealous of succesful immigrants who work hard and have good lives, jealous that imigrants are coming to this country but they themselves would happily become an immigrant in another country where their lives would be bettered financially, i know so many white britans living abroad because they earn more money where they are ... arent these immigrants doing the same by coming here for a financially better life? yes the benefits sytem should be changed but that is not their fault but the governments .... stop whining .... my parents are immigrants but im born here .... what do you want to do about it? send me where ? i earn good money, working hard with multiple businesses ... i work 10-12 hours a day ... drive a flash car and live in a big house ... oh jealous again because your living in rented property and driving a small car, sad pathetic people ... and albion sounds like a typical white 50 year old paedophile sat in his council house surfing the net
This is the first paragraph from the above reporter: "More than 200 raids have taken place in Bradford by the UK Border Agency (UKBA) in the last three years at factories, restaurants, nursing homes and car washes where workers were thought to be employed illegally". where in the above report does it mention "LEGAL IMMIGRANTS"..!! the ones you relate to above ?.
im not quoting the story, im quoting most of the drivel that gets posted on here by certain people who find it easy to target immigrants for all their problems. Illegal immigration is bad but most of the people on here clearly refer to immigration as a whole.
[quote][p][bold]nowt fresh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bradfordlad[/bold] wrote: oh deary me, petty racist drivel from a few here as per usual, maybe you should look at your own sad pathetic lives, jealous of succesful immigrants who work hard and have good lives, jealous that imigrants are coming to this country but they themselves would happily become an immigrant in another country where their lives would be bettered financially, i know so many white britans living abroad because they earn more money where they are ... arent these immigrants doing the same by coming here for a financially better life? yes the benefits sytem should be changed but that is not their fault but the governments .... stop whining .... my parents are immigrants but im born here .... what do you want to do about it? send me where ? i earn good money, working hard with multiple businesses ... i work 10-12 hours a day ... drive a flash car and live in a big house ... oh jealous again because your living in rented property and driving a small car, sad pathetic people ... and albion sounds like a typical white 50 year old paedophile sat in his council house surfing the net[/p][/quote]This is the first paragraph from the above reporter: "More than 200 raids have taken place in Bradford by the UK Border Agency (UKBA) in the last three years at factories, restaurants, nursing homes and car washes where workers were thought to be employed illegally". where in the above report does it mention "LEGAL IMMIGRANTS"..!! the ones you relate to above ?.[/p][/quote]im not quoting the story, im quoting most of the drivel that gets posted on here by certain people who find it easy to target immigrants for all their problems. Illegal immigration is bad but most of the people on here clearly refer to immigration as a whole. bradfordlad
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9:14pm Mon 21 Jan 13

SinnerSaint says...

The Hoffster wrote:
SinnerSaint wrote:
And seriously, you just have to look at a certain Bradford Councillor... Arrested for violent disorder.... sons in jail, a son on the run and this is a pillar of your society - the vice-chairman of Keighley Muslim Society?

Yet you would have us believe that butter wouldn't melt? Deluded, in denial or completely mad. Which is it?
Do you think the majority of Muslims in Bradford care who the councillors are?

Or the majority of *non* Muslims too?

No-one (regardless of race, colour, or creed) could give a toss who they are. They're all in it for themselves.

Hopefully we can call agree on *that*.
I repeat- he is vice-chairman of Keighley Muslim Society.
[quote][p][bold]The Hoffster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: And seriously, you just have to look at a certain Bradford Councillor... Arrested for violent disorder.... sons in jail, a son on the run and this is a pillar of your society - the vice-chairman of Keighley Muslim Society? Yet you would have us believe that butter wouldn't melt? Deluded, in denial or completely mad. Which is it?[/p][/quote]Do you think the majority of Muslims in Bradford care who the councillors are? Or the majority of *non* Muslims too? No-one (regardless of race, colour, or creed) could give a toss who they are. They're all in it for themselves. Hopefully we can call agree on *that*.[/p][/quote]I repeat- he is vice-chairman of Keighley Muslim Society. SinnerSaint
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9:18pm Mon 21 Jan 13

thingybob68 says...

The Hoffster wrote:
thingybob68 wrote:
SinnerSaint wrote:
In terms of crime, there are 100,000 people in prison in the UK. 12 percent are Muslims. As Muslims only make up about 5% of the population, this is disproportionate.

Lets say the UK Muslim population is 3 million so 12,000 prisoners is 0.4%.

Of the remaining 60 million people of other faiths, 88,000 of them are in prison equalling 0.15% of the total population.

So, to summarise, the percentage of the UK Muslim population in jail is nearly three times higher than for other faiths.

Next?
Not sure why youve skipped from pakistanis to muslims but i'll answer you nonetheless.

Your stat about muslims is not true, ONLY the muslim YOUTH are over represented and only in the YOUTH PRISONs, not all muslims in prison.

And this ratio is the same for blacks, who are also disproprtionately over represented by the same ratio.

This over representation by muslim youth is a new phenomenan that appeared from 2001 to present ie since 9/11.

Since its common knowledge that muslims are now the new blacks or jews, it is hardly surprising muslim youth are now finding themselves more likley to be in custody when comparing like for like sentencing against indigenous youths or adults.

So lets look further into why MUSLIM YOUTH are over represented in YOUTH PRISON, there are a variety of opinions by acedemics on this subject, an anaylsis of 596,000 offences commited, showed a hupe disparity in sentancing amongst different ethnic groups based on like for like crimes, heres a few stats;

The study, carried out by the Guardian, found black offenders were 44% more likely than white offenders to be sentenced to prison for driving offences.


Asian offenders were 41% more likely to be sent to prison for drugs offences than their white counterparts

http://www.guardian.



co.uk/law/2011/nov/2



5/ethnic-variations-



jail-sentences-study





Let me reiterate, this is comparing sentencing for like for like crimes, so according to this analysis an asian is 41% more likley to go to prison than a white person for the same drugs offence.

Again the reason for why black and other ethnic minorities are more likely to be sent to prisonis not clear cut and subject to much debate, some academics say its a sign of racism, but who can say?
Good post and thanks for the link. I'll be saving that for future use :)
Dont mention it, ive been here before and made these points many times, some of the ignorant uneducated chavs on here just like to embarass themselves making the same off the cuff, unsuported, ignorant, uneducated islamaphobic and racist arguments - only to be shown up by superior , well supported, counter arguments time and again.

Take a look here and enjoy (see Jayho67).

I know its not fair to debate with such clearly uneducated ignorami, especially when they are clearly "unarmed" for the task - but they do ask for it.
[quote][p][bold]The Hoffster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thingybob68[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: In terms of crime, there are 100,000 people in prison in the UK. 12 percent are Muslims. As Muslims only make up about 5% of the population, this is disproportionate. Lets say the UK Muslim population is 3 million so 12,000 prisoners is 0.4%. Of the remaining 60 million people of other faiths, 88,000 of them are in prison equalling 0.15% of the total population. So, to summarise, the percentage of the UK Muslim population in jail is nearly three times higher than for other faiths. Next?[/p][/quote]Not sure why youve skipped from pakistanis to muslims but i'll answer you nonetheless. Your stat about muslims is not true, ONLY the muslim YOUTH are over represented and only in the YOUTH PRISONs, not all muslims in prison. And this ratio is the same for blacks, who are also disproprtionately over represented by the same ratio. This over representation by muslim youth is a new phenomenan that appeared from 2001 to present ie since 9/11. Since its common knowledge that muslims are now the new blacks or jews, it is hardly surprising muslim youth are now finding themselves more likley to be in custody when comparing like for like sentencing against indigenous youths or adults. So lets look further into why MUSLIM YOUTH are over represented in YOUTH PRISON, there are a variety of opinions by acedemics on this subject, an anaylsis of 596,000 offences commited, showed a hupe disparity in sentancing amongst different ethnic groups based on like for like crimes, heres a few stats; The study, carried out by the Guardian, found black offenders were 44% more likely than white offenders to be sentenced to prison for driving offences. Asian offenders were 41% more likely to be sent to prison for drugs offences than their white counterparts http://www.guardian. co.uk/law/2011/nov/2 5/ethnic-variations- jail-sentences-study Let me reiterate, this is comparing sentencing for like for like crimes, so according to this analysis an asian is 41% more likley to go to prison than a white person for the same drugs offence. Again the reason for why black and other ethnic minorities are more likely to be sent to prisonis not clear cut and subject to much debate, some academics say its a sign of racism, but who can say?[/p][/quote]Good post and thanks for the link. I'll be saving that for future use :)[/p][/quote]Dont mention it, ive been here before and made these points many times, some of the ignorant uneducated chavs on here just like to embarass themselves making the same off the cuff, unsuported, ignorant, uneducated islamaphobic and racist arguments - only to be shown up by superior , well supported, counter arguments time and again. Take a look here and enjoy (see Jayho67). I know its not fair to debate with such clearly uneducated ignorami, especially when they are clearly "unarmed" for the task - but they do ask for it. thingybob68
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9:19pm Mon 21 Jan 13

thingybob68 says...

forgot the link,

http://tbradfordeleg
raphandargus.blogspo
t.co.uk/

See "jayho67"

enjoy.
forgot the link, http://tbradfordeleg raphandargus.blogspo t.co.uk/ See "jayho67" enjoy. thingybob68
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9:24pm Mon 21 Jan 13

thingybob68 says...

SinnerSaint wrote:
The Hoffster wrote:
SinnerSaint wrote:
And seriously, you just have to look at a certain Bradford Councillor... Arrested for violent disorder.... sons in jail, a son on the run and this is a pillar of your society - the vice-chairman of Keighley Muslim Society?

Yet you would have us believe that butter wouldn't melt? Deluded, in denial or completely mad. Which is it?
Do you think the majority of Muslims in Bradford care who the councillors are?

Or the majority of *non* Muslims too?

No-one (regardless of race, colour, or creed) could give a toss who they are. They're all in it for themselves.

Hopefully we can call agree on *that*.
I repeat- he is vice-chairman of Keighley Muslim Society.
Have you forgotten who was running for the police commissioner post - thats right, the POLICE commissioner - none other than EDL Leader Kevin Carroll - and whats happened to him of late?

Arrested for anything?
[quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Hoffster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: And seriously, you just have to look at a certain Bradford Councillor... Arrested for violent disorder.... sons in jail, a son on the run and this is a pillar of your society - the vice-chairman of Keighley Muslim Society? Yet you would have us believe that butter wouldn't melt? Deluded, in denial or completely mad. Which is it?[/p][/quote]Do you think the majority of Muslims in Bradford care who the councillors are? Or the majority of *non* Muslims too? No-one (regardless of race, colour, or creed) could give a toss who they are. They're all in it for themselves. Hopefully we can call agree on *that*.[/p][/quote]I repeat- he is vice-chairman of Keighley Muslim Society.[/p][/quote]Have you forgotten who was running for the police commissioner post - thats right, the POLICE commissioner - none other than EDL Leader Kevin Carroll - and whats happened to him of late? Arrested for anything? thingybob68
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11:55pm Mon 21 Jan 13

Not so simple says...

Gotta agree with Ifti. He may choose shariah law but don't forget that the Islamic revolution didn't really bring any new laws....they adopted the laws of Moses and Jesus. Yes this is true. It may upset people like sinner saint and the EDL to learn that immigrants work harder and smart then most of indigenous people.

Islam,Christandom,Ju
daism and many other faiths are basically a moral code to enjoy life...live and let live. Tolerance is a civilised society's character and those with differing,often down right racist views should also be tolerated and these people should be encouraged to learn history and understand that we all have a role to play to ensure a future generation of educated and tolerant people.
Gotta agree with Ifti. He may choose shariah law but don't forget that the Islamic revolution didn't really bring any new laws....they adopted the laws of Moses and Jesus. Yes this is true. It may upset people like sinner saint and the EDL to learn that immigrants work harder and smart then most of indigenous people. Islam,Christandom,Ju daism and many other faiths are basically a moral code to enjoy life...live and let live. Tolerance is a civilised society's character and those with differing,often down right racist views should also be tolerated and these people should be encouraged to learn history and understand that we all have a role to play to ensure a future generation of educated and tolerant people. Not so simple
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1:50am Tue 22 Jan 13

GlobalSingh says...

The names of thousands of criminals appearing in the Telegraph & Argus are NOT 'Anglican' so it's not just the illegals that are the problem!...the criminals who are first ,second,third or fourth generation and 'legally' here are 'well established' British Citizens with complete contempt for this country, its Law , Order & Generosity... AND it has been a disaster for community relations and thousands of victims of this 62 year madness!...UKIP is the only mainstream chance we have to close our borders to people who have ulterior motives to want to be in the UK.
The names of thousands of criminals appearing in the Telegraph & Argus are NOT 'Anglican' so it's not just the illegals that are the problem!...the criminals who are first ,second,third or fourth generation and 'legally' here are 'well established' British Citizens with complete contempt for this country, its Law , Order & Generosity... AND it has been a disaster for community relations and thousands of victims of this 62 year madness!...UKIP is the only mainstream chance we have to close our borders to people who have ulterior motives to want to be in the UK. GlobalSingh
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7:22am Tue 22 Jan 13

thingybob68 says...

GlobalSingh wrote:
The names of thousands of criminals appearing in the Telegraph & Argus are NOT 'Anglican' so it's not just the illegals that are the problem!...the criminals who are first ,second,third or fourth generation and 'legally' here are 'well established' British Citizens with complete contempt for this country, its Law , Order & Generosity... AND it has been a disaster for community relations and thousands of victims of this 62 year madness!...UKIP is the only mainstream chance we have to close our borders to people who have ulterior motives to want to be in the UK.
I thinkyou will find taht the names are equally anglican and non anglican, mr singh, just pop over to the t&a court file.

its just that the non anglican ones attract more attention, both by the indigenous and the t&a.

Notwithstanding we have many anglican only areas and they still have all the same issues with crimes, drug users and dealers, robbery, rape etc etc
[quote][p][bold]GlobalSingh[/bold] wrote: The names of thousands of criminals appearing in the Telegraph & Argus are NOT 'Anglican' so it's not just the illegals that are the problem!...the criminals who are first ,second,third or fourth generation and 'legally' here are 'well established' British Citizens with complete contempt for this country, its Law , Order & Generosity... AND it has been a disaster for community relations and thousands of victims of this 62 year madness!...UKIP is the only mainstream chance we have to close our borders to people who have ulterior motives to want to be in the UK.[/p][/quote]I thinkyou will find taht the names are equally anglican and non anglican, mr singh, just pop over to the t&a court file. its just that the non anglican ones attract more attention, both by the indigenous and the t&a. Notwithstanding we have many anglican only areas and they still have all the same issues with crimes, drug users and dealers, robbery, rape etc etc thingybob68
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7:40am Tue 22 Jan 13

SinnerSaint says...

thingybob68 wrote:
The Hoffster wrote:
thingybob68 wrote:
SinnerSaint wrote:
In terms of crime, there are 100,000 people in prison in the UK. 12 percent are Muslims. As Muslims only make up about 5% of the population, this is disproportionate.

Lets say the UK Muslim population is 3 million so 12,000 prisoners is 0.4%.

Of the remaining 60 million people of other faiths, 88,000 of them are in prison equalling 0.15% of the total population.

So, to summarise, the percentage of the UK Muslim population in jail is nearly three times higher than for other faiths.

Next?
Not sure why youve skipped from pakistanis to muslims but i'll answer you nonetheless.

Your stat about muslims is not true, ONLY the muslim YOUTH are over represented and only in the YOUTH PRISONs, not all muslims in prison.

And this ratio is the same for blacks, who are also disproprtionately over represented by the same ratio.

This over representation by muslim youth is a new phenomenan that appeared from 2001 to present ie since 9/11.

Since its common knowledge that muslims are now the new blacks or jews, it is hardly surprising muslim youth are now finding themselves more likley to be in custody when comparing like for like sentencing against indigenous youths or adults.

So lets look further into why MUSLIM YOUTH are over represented in YOUTH PRISON, there are a variety of opinions by acedemics on this subject, an anaylsis of 596,000 offences commited, showed a hupe disparity in sentancing amongst different ethnic groups based on like for like crimes, heres a few stats;

The study, carried out by the Guardian, found black offenders were 44% more likely than white offenders to be sentenced to prison for driving offences.


Asian offenders were 41% more likely to be sent to prison for drugs offences than their white counterparts

http://www.guardian.




co.uk/law/2011/nov/2




5/ethnic-variations-




jail-sentences-study






Let me reiterate, this is comparing sentencing for like for like crimes, so according to this analysis an asian is 41% more likley to go to prison than a white person for the same drugs offence.

Again the reason for why black and other ethnic minorities are more likely to be sent to prisonis not clear cut and subject to much debate, some academics say its a sign of racism, but who can say?
Good post and thanks for the link. I'll be saving that for future use :)
Dont mention it, ive been here before and made these points many times, some of the ignorant uneducated chavs on here just like to embarass themselves making the same off the cuff, unsuported, ignorant, uneducated islamaphobic and racist arguments - only to be shown up by superior , well supported, counter arguments time and again.

Take a look here and enjoy (see Jayho67).

I know its not fair to debate with such clearly uneducated ignorami, especially when they are clearly "unarmed" for the task - but they do ask for it.
You just keep on referring back to the same old Guardian article my friend if it makes you happy.

I read different articles every single day in this very paper and watch the news so I'm fully armed with the facts about what goes on in this city, which crimes are committed on a very regular basis and who the people are that perpetrate them.
[quote][p][bold]thingybob68[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Hoffster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thingybob68[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: In terms of crime, there are 100,000 people in prison in the UK. 12 percent are Muslims. As Muslims only make up about 5% of the population, this is disproportionate. Lets say the UK Muslim population is 3 million so 12,000 prisoners is 0.4%. Of the remaining 60 million people of other faiths, 88,000 of them are in prison equalling 0.15% of the total population. So, to summarise, the percentage of the UK Muslim population in jail is nearly three times higher than for other faiths. Next?[/p][/quote]Not sure why youve skipped from pakistanis to muslims but i'll answer you nonetheless. Your stat about muslims is not true, ONLY the muslim YOUTH are over represented and only in the YOUTH PRISONs, not all muslims in prison. And this ratio is the same for blacks, who are also disproprtionately over represented by the same ratio. This over representation by muslim youth is a new phenomenan that appeared from 2001 to present ie since 9/11. Since its common knowledge that muslims are now the new blacks or jews, it is hardly surprising muslim youth are now finding themselves more likley to be in custody when comparing like for like sentencing against indigenous youths or adults. So lets look further into why MUSLIM YOUTH are over represented in YOUTH PRISON, there are a variety of opinions by acedemics on this subject, an anaylsis of 596,000 offences commited, showed a hupe disparity in sentancing amongst different ethnic groups based on like for like crimes, heres a few stats; The study, carried out by the Guardian, found black offenders were 44% more likely than white offenders to be sentenced to prison for driving offences. Asian offenders were 41% more likely to be sent to prison for drugs offences than their white counterparts http://www.guardian. co.uk/law/2011/nov/2 5/ethnic-variations- jail-sentences-study Let me reiterate, this is comparing sentencing for like for like crimes, so according to this analysis an asian is 41% more likley to go to prison than a white person for the same drugs offence. Again the reason for why black and other ethnic minorities are more likely to be sent to prisonis not clear cut and subject to much debate, some academics say its a sign of racism, but who can say?[/p][/quote]Good post and thanks for the link. I'll be saving that for future use :)[/p][/quote]Dont mention it, ive been here before and made these points many times, some of the ignorant uneducated chavs on here just like to embarass themselves making the same off the cuff, unsuported, ignorant, uneducated islamaphobic and racist arguments - only to be shown up by superior , well supported, counter arguments time and again. Take a look here and enjoy (see Jayho67). I know its not fair to debate with such clearly uneducated ignorami, especially when they are clearly "unarmed" for the task - but they do ask for it.[/p][/quote]You just keep on referring back to the same old Guardian article my friend if it makes you happy. I read different articles every single day in this very paper and watch the news so I'm fully armed with the facts about what goes on in this city, which crimes are committed on a very regular basis and who the people are that perpetrate them. SinnerSaint
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7:42am Tue 22 Jan 13

SinnerSaint says...

thingybob68 wrote:
SinnerSaint wrote:
The Hoffster wrote:
SinnerSaint wrote:
And seriously, you just have to look at a certain Bradford Councillor... Arrested for violent disorder.... sons in jail, a son on the run and this is a pillar of your society - the vice-chairman of Keighley Muslim Society?

Yet you would have us believe that butter wouldn't melt? Deluded, in denial or completely mad. Which is it?
Do you think the majority of Muslims in Bradford care who the councillors are?

Or the majority of *non* Muslims too?

No-one (regardless of race, colour, or creed) could give a toss who they are. They're all in it for themselves.

Hopefully we can call agree on *that*.
I repeat- he is vice-chairman of Keighley Muslim Society.
Have you forgotten who was running for the police commissioner post - thats right, the POLICE commissioner - none other than EDL Leader Kevin Carroll - and whats happened to him of late?

Arrested for anything?
"Running for" being the operative words. Not elected like our friend the councillor.
[quote][p][bold]thingybob68[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Hoffster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: And seriously, you just have to look at a certain Bradford Councillor... Arrested for violent disorder.... sons in jail, a son on the run and this is a pillar of your society - the vice-chairman of Keighley Muslim Society? Yet you would have us believe that butter wouldn't melt? Deluded, in denial or completely mad. Which is it?[/p][/quote]Do you think the majority of Muslims in Bradford care who the councillors are? Or the majority of *non* Muslims too? No-one (regardless of race, colour, or creed) could give a toss who they are. They're all in it for themselves. Hopefully we can call agree on *that*.[/p][/quote]I repeat- he is vice-chairman of Keighley Muslim Society.[/p][/quote]Have you forgotten who was running for the police commissioner post - thats right, the POLICE commissioner - none other than EDL Leader Kevin Carroll - and whats happened to him of late? Arrested for anything?[/p][/quote]"Running for" being the operative words. Not elected like our friend the councillor. SinnerSaint
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7:51am Tue 22 Jan 13

thingybob68 says...

SinnerSaint wrote:
thingybob68 wrote:
The Hoffster wrote:
thingybob68 wrote:
SinnerSaint wrote:
In terms of crime, there are 100,000 people in prison in the UK. 12 percent are Muslims. As Muslims only make up about 5% of the population, this is disproportionate.

Lets say the UK Muslim population is 3 million so 12,000 prisoners is 0.4%.

Of the remaining 60 million people of other faiths, 88,000 of them are in prison equalling 0.15% of the total population.

So, to summarise, the percentage of the UK Muslim population in jail is nearly three times higher than for other faiths.

Next?
Not sure why youve skipped from pakistanis to muslims but i'll answer you nonetheless.

Your stat about muslims is not true, ONLY the muslim YOUTH are over represented and only in the YOUTH PRISONs, not all muslims in prison.

And this ratio is the same for blacks, who are also disproprtionately over represented by the same ratio.

This over representation by muslim youth is a new phenomenan that appeared from 2001 to present ie since 9/11.

Since its common knowledge that muslims are now the new blacks or jews, it is hardly surprising muslim youth are now finding themselves more likley to be in custody when comparing like for like sentencing against indigenous youths or adults.

So lets look further into why MUSLIM YOUTH are over represented in YOUTH PRISON, there are a variety of opinions by acedemics on this subject, an anaylsis of 596,000 offences commited, showed a hupe disparity in sentancing amongst different ethnic groups based on like for like crimes, heres a few stats;

The study, carried out by the Guardian, found black offenders were 44% more likely than white offenders to be sentenced to prison for driving offences.


Asian offenders were 41% more likely to be sent to prison for drugs offences than their white counterparts

http://www.guardian.





co.uk/law/2011/nov/2





5/ethnic-variations-





jail-sentences-study







Let me reiterate, this is comparing sentencing for like for like crimes, so according to this analysis an asian is 41% more likley to go to prison than a white person for the same drugs offence.

Again the reason for why black and other ethnic minorities are more likely to be sent to prisonis not clear cut and subject to much debate, some academics say its a sign of racism, but who can say?
Good post and thanks for the link. I'll be saving that for future use :)
Dont mention it, ive been here before and made these points many times, some of the ignorant uneducated chavs on here just like to embarass themselves making the same off the cuff, unsuported, ignorant, uneducated islamaphobic and racist arguments - only to be shown up by superior , well supported, counter arguments time and again.

Take a look here and enjoy (see Jayho67).

I know its not fair to debate with such clearly uneducated ignorami, especially when they are clearly "unarmed" for the task - but they do ask for it.
You just keep on referring back to the same old Guardian article my friend if it makes you happy.

I read different articles every single day in this very paper and watch the news so I'm fully armed with the facts about what goes on in this city, which crimes are committed on a very regular basis and who the people are that perpetrate them.
Perhaps you should read the t&a court file instead given the media's unreliability and zenophobia hence selective picking of stories.

Remember the £14k "immigrant scrounger" - that stories been blown apart already after just one day for being faked.

www . liberalconspiracy . org/2013/01/20/the-r
eality-behind-the-su
ns-hatchet-job-on-li
thuanian-benefits-sc
rounger/

I dont really care what the t&a or media "picks" to show us, reading the court file shows the true snapshot of crime in this city, and no surprises taht the offenders are of all backgrounds ie reflective of the city.

Cimes were being comitted before immigration and it shouldnt surprise anyone that they shouldbe committed today.

I note the two main criminals that bought disrepute to the City and national attention are anglican, the ripper from heaton and the crossbow killer - hardly gets mentioned at all - I wonder how many times a day they would have got mentioned here if they were asian.

hmm?
[quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thingybob68[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Hoffster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thingybob68[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: In terms of crime, there are 100,000 people in prison in the UK. 12 percent are Muslims. As Muslims only make up about 5% of the population, this is disproportionate. Lets say the UK Muslim population is 3 million so 12,000 prisoners is 0.4%. Of the remaining 60 million people of other faiths, 88,000 of them are in prison equalling 0.15% of the total population. So, to summarise, the percentage of the UK Muslim population in jail is nearly three times higher than for other faiths. Next?[/p][/quote]Not sure why youve skipped from pakistanis to muslims but i'll answer you nonetheless. Your stat about muslims is not true, ONLY the muslim YOUTH are over represented and only in the YOUTH PRISONs, not all muslims in prison. And this ratio is the same for blacks, who are also disproprtionately over represented by the same ratio. This over representation by muslim youth is a new phenomenan that appeared from 2001 to present ie since 9/11. Since its common knowledge that muslims are now the new blacks or jews, it is hardly surprising muslim youth are now finding themselves more likley to be in custody when comparing like for like sentencing against indigenous youths or adults. So lets look further into why MUSLIM YOUTH are over represented in YOUTH PRISON, there are a variety of opinions by acedemics on this subject, an anaylsis of 596,000 offences commited, showed a hupe disparity in sentancing amongst different ethnic groups based on like for like crimes, heres a few stats; The study, carried out by the Guardian, found black offenders were 44% more likely than white offenders to be sentenced to prison for driving offences. Asian offenders were 41% more likely to be sent to prison for drugs offences than their white counterparts http://www.guardian. co.uk/law/2011/nov/2 5/ethnic-variations- jail-sentences-study Let me reiterate, this is comparing sentencing for like for like crimes, so according to this analysis an asian is 41% more likley to go to prison than a white person for the same drugs offence. Again the reason for why black and other ethnic minorities are more likely to be sent to prisonis not clear cut and subject to much debate, some academics say its a sign of racism, but who can say?[/p][/quote]Good post and thanks for the link. I'll be saving that for future use :)[/p][/quote]Dont mention it, ive been here before and made these points many times, some of the ignorant uneducated chavs on here just like to embarass themselves making the same off the cuff, unsuported, ignorant, uneducated islamaphobic and racist arguments - only to be shown up by superior , well supported, counter arguments time and again. Take a look here and enjoy (see Jayho67). I know its not fair to debate with such clearly uneducated ignorami, especially when they are clearly "unarmed" for the task - but they do ask for it.[/p][/quote]You just keep on referring back to the same old Guardian article my friend if it makes you happy. I read different articles every single day in this very paper and watch the news so I'm fully armed with the facts about what goes on in this city, which crimes are committed on a very regular basis and who the people are that perpetrate them.[/p][/quote]Perhaps you should read the t&a court file instead given the media's unreliability and zenophobia hence selective picking of stories. Remember the £14k "immigrant scrounger" - that stories been blown apart already after just one day for being faked. www . liberalconspiracy . org/2013/01/20/the-r eality-behind-the-su ns-hatchet-job-on-li thuanian-benefits-sc rounger/ I dont really care what the t&a or media "picks" to show us, reading the court file shows the true snapshot of crime in this city, and no surprises taht the offenders are of all backgrounds ie reflective of the city. Cimes were being comitted before immigration and it shouldnt surprise anyone that they shouldbe committed today. I note the two main criminals that bought disrepute to the City and national attention are anglican, the ripper from heaton and the crossbow killer - hardly gets mentioned at all - I wonder how many times a day they would have got mentioned here if they were asian. hmm? thingybob68
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9:18am Tue 22 Jan 13

Andy2010 says...

At the end of the day multiculturism has failed miserably thanks to the Labour government.

Lets face facts Bradford has white areas and asian areas and both would rather the two didnt mingle. This isnt racism its just the cold hard facts. Obviously some hippy loving polition thinks we can all live peace and harmony as they sit in their Sussex mansion but it has failed. Immigration is only making the matter worse as is now adding other minorities to the equasion who also tend to stick to their own groups.

Bradford is now so divided there is no going back and whilst I'm sure we all would like to "get along" it just doesn't work due to a couple of things. Obviously its human nature to stay in groups (whites, Asians, Europeans etc) and we fear other groups..this is simply how we are genetically programmed and nothing to do with racism. When cultures collide as in Bradford and the white population see areas such as Manningham run down (a poster earlier mentioned that Asian families are quite happy living in such conditions as family is more important) this again tarnishes and creates division.

In summary we will all never get on and fear each other as its human nature but the border controls in this country are quite frankly laughable. I recently looked into going to Canada to live and the controls in place are so strict I have given up but admire them for having this national pride. This is something we no longer have in England as the population has changed so quick the indigenous population hasn't had chance to adjust

Cheers Labour
At the end of the day multiculturism has failed miserably thanks to the Labour government. Lets face facts Bradford has white areas and asian areas and both would rather the two didnt mingle. This isnt racism its just the cold hard facts. Obviously some hippy loving polition thinks we can all live peace and harmony as they sit in their Sussex mansion but it has failed. Immigration is only making the matter worse as is now adding other minorities to the equasion who also tend to stick to their own groups. Bradford is now so divided there is no going back and whilst I'm sure we all would like to "get along" it just doesn't work due to a couple of things. Obviously its human nature to stay in groups (whites, Asians, Europeans etc) and we fear other groups..this is simply how we are genetically programmed and nothing to do with racism. When cultures collide as in Bradford and the white population see areas such as Manningham run down (a poster earlier mentioned that Asian families are quite happy living in such conditions as family is more important) this again tarnishes and creates division. In summary we will all never get on and fear each other as its human nature but the border controls in this country are quite frankly laughable. I recently looked into going to Canada to live and the controls in place are so strict I have given up but admire them for having this national pride. This is something we no longer have in England as the population has changed so quick the indigenous population hasn't had chance to adjust Cheers Labour Andy2010
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9:41am Tue 22 Jan 13

thingybob68 says...

Actually andy, i want nothing but to live in harmony with the people of this country, but my community is so badly stigmatised that I myself feel unsafe living anywhere else. I love my neighbourhood but want a better future for my kids, schooling, employment prospects etc - i am prepared to sacrifice my happiness for a better less segregated, divided and hostile future for my kids.

I was moving to Bingley but pulled out at the last minute, not being sure whether my family would be safe or indeed welcomed.

But what interested me about your post is that I too am looking to emigrate to Canada because looking at European history with regards to immigrants - I feel I will never be accepted here - ive even changed my kids name to be more anglican freindly - but i cant realy change their skin colour.

I know freinds who are in Canada who say its a wonderful place to live because of its immigrant history, they are all immigrants so more tolerant and accepting of each other.

And I agree, their immigration policy is the way to go - albeit based on quotas and very strict.
Actually andy, i want nothing but to live in harmony with the people of this country, but my community is so badly stigmatised that I myself feel unsafe living anywhere else. I love my neighbourhood but want a better future for my kids, schooling, employment prospects etc - i am prepared to sacrifice my happiness for a better less segregated, divided and hostile future for my kids. I was moving to Bingley but pulled out at the last minute, not being sure whether my family would be safe or indeed welcomed. But what interested me about your post is that I too am looking to emigrate to Canada because looking at European history with regards to immigrants - I feel I will never be accepted here - ive even changed my kids name to be more anglican freindly - but i cant realy change their skin colour. I know freinds who are in Canada who say its a wonderful place to live because of its immigrant history, they are all immigrants so more tolerant and accepting of each other. And I agree, their immigration policy is the way to go - albeit based on quotas and very strict. thingybob68
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9:45am Tue 22 Jan 13

SinnerSaint says...

Interesting that you use an article from the media to support your argument but then on the other hand accuse it of unreliability and "zenophobia".

I'm sure the Zen Buddhists of the city are mortified LOL!

Anything to support you feeble argument hmmmm?
Interesting that you use an article from the media to support your argument but then on the other hand accuse it of unreliability and "zenophobia". I'm sure the Zen Buddhists of the city are mortified LOL! Anything to support you feeble argument hmmmm? SinnerSaint
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9:53am Tue 22 Jan 13

thingybob68 says...

SinnerSaint wrote:
Interesting that you use an article from the media to support your argument but then on the other hand accuse it of unreliability and "zenophobia".

I'm sure the Zen Buddhists of the city are mortified LOL!

Anything to support you feeble argument hmmmm?
A study by the Guardian of one million cases is far more reliable than a faked story from the very unreputable The Sun.

Some media sources have a better reputation than others when it comes to zenophobia or indeed credibility.

lmfao!
[quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: Interesting that you use an article from the media to support your argument but then on the other hand accuse it of unreliability and "zenophobia". I'm sure the Zen Buddhists of the city are mortified LOL! Anything to support you feeble argument hmmmm?[/p][/quote]A study by the Guardian of one million cases is far more reliable than a faked story from the very unreputable The Sun. Some media sources have a better reputation than others when it comes to zenophobia or indeed credibility. lmfao! thingybob68
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10:00am Tue 22 Jan 13

SinnerSaint says...

Who mentioned The Sun? We are talking about Bradford and the articles in this newspaper.

"Zenophobia"! Still you persist LOL those poor Buddhists!
Who mentioned The Sun? We are talking about Bradford and the articles in this newspaper. "Zenophobia"! Still you persist LOL those poor Buddhists! SinnerSaint
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10:09am Tue 22 Jan 13

thingybob68 says...

SinnerSaint wrote:
Who mentioned The Sun? We are talking about Bradford and the articles in this newspaper.

"Zenophobia"! Still you persist LOL those poor Buddhists!
then why mention the Gaurdian?

In general, some sections of the media are quite zenophobic, others not as much or less so.

http://www.independe
nt.co.uk/news/media/
the-shameful-islamop
hobia-at-the-heart-o
f-britains-press-861
096.html

It doesnt change the credibility of the Gaurdian study or its relevance to YOUR false and misleading statistic re: muslims in prison which you failed to mention only related to MUSLIM YOUTH in YOUTH prisons - or am i giving you more credit than you deserve - perhaps you just didnt understand or realise and cant read a story properly.

hmm?
[quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: Who mentioned The Sun? We are talking about Bradford and the articles in this newspaper. "Zenophobia"! Still you persist LOL those poor Buddhists![/p][/quote]then why mention the Gaurdian? In general, some sections of the media are quite zenophobic, others not as much or less so. http://www.independe nt.co.uk/news/media/ the-shameful-islamop hobia-at-the-heart-o f-britains-press-861 096.html It doesnt change the credibility of the Gaurdian study or its relevance to YOUR false and misleading statistic re: muslims in prison which you failed to mention only related to MUSLIM YOUTH in YOUTH prisons - or am i giving you more credit than you deserve - perhaps you just didnt understand or realise and cant read a story properly. hmm? thingybob68
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10:17am Tue 22 Jan 13

Andy2010 says...

thingybob68 wrote:
SinnerSaint wrote:
Who mentioned The Sun? We are talking about Bradford and the articles in this newspaper.

"Zenophobia"! Still you persist LOL those poor Buddhists!
then why mention the Gaurdian?

In general, some sections of the media are quite zenophobic, others not as much or less so.

http://www.independe

nt.co.uk/news/media/

the-shameful-islamop

hobia-at-the-heart-o

f-britains-press-861

096.html

It doesnt change the credibility of the Gaurdian study or its relevance to YOUR false and misleading statistic re: muslims in prison which you failed to mention only related to MUSLIM YOUTH in YOUTH prisons - or am i giving you more credit than you deserve - perhaps you just didnt understand or realise and cant read a story properly.

hmm?
Maybe Islamophobia has something to do with the 7/7 bombings or 9/11?

All carried out in the name of Islam were they not?

You can hardly blame Christians for drawing conclusions as also you cannot blame Islam for carrying out these attacks in what they perceive the wars in Islamic countries being invasions of Christians

As per my earlier post at the end of day lets just agree we dont really get on and are segregrated in communities to avoid confrontation
[quote][p][bold]thingybob68[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: Who mentioned The Sun? We are talking about Bradford and the articles in this newspaper. "Zenophobia"! Still you persist LOL those poor Buddhists![/p][/quote]then why mention the Gaurdian? In general, some sections of the media are quite zenophobic, others not as much or less so. http://www.independe nt.co.uk/news/media/ the-shameful-islamop hobia-at-the-heart-o f-britains-press-861 096.html It doesnt change the credibility of the Gaurdian study or its relevance to YOUR false and misleading statistic re: muslims in prison which you failed to mention only related to MUSLIM YOUTH in YOUTH prisons - or am i giving you more credit than you deserve - perhaps you just didnt understand or realise and cant read a story properly. hmm?[/p][/quote]Maybe Islamophobia has something to do with the 7/7 bombings or 9/11? All carried out in the name of Islam were they not? You can hardly blame Christians for drawing conclusions as also you cannot blame Islam for carrying out these attacks in what they perceive the wars in Islamic countries being invasions of Christians As per my earlier post at the end of day lets just agree we dont really get on and are segregrated in communities to avoid confrontation Andy2010
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10:18am Tue 22 Jan 13

SinnerSaint says...

I didn't mention the Guardian - you did!

Oh dear. Still slating the media for Xenophobia (see how it's spelt?) and then using it to support arguments?

How amusing!
I didn't mention the Guardian - you did! Oh dear. Still slating the media for Xenophobia (see how it's spelt?) and then using it to support arguments? How amusing! SinnerSaint
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10:38am Tue 22 Jan 13

thingybob68 says...

Andy2010 wrote:
thingybob68 wrote:
SinnerSaint wrote:
Who mentioned The Sun? We are talking about Bradford and the articles in this newspaper.

"Zenophobia"! Still you persist LOL those poor Buddhists!
then why mention the Gaurdian?

In general, some sections of the media are quite zenophobic, others not as much or less so.

http://www.independe


nt.co.uk/news/media/


the-shameful-islamop


hobia-at-the-heart-o


f-britains-press-861


096.html

It doesnt change the credibility of the Gaurdian study or its relevance to YOUR false and misleading statistic re: muslims in prison which you failed to mention only related to MUSLIM YOUTH in YOUTH prisons - or am i giving you more credit than you deserve - perhaps you just didnt understand or realise and cant read a story properly.

hmm?
Maybe Islamophobia has something to do with the 7/7 bombings or 9/11?

All carried out in the name of Islam were they not?

You can hardly blame Christians for drawing conclusions as also you cannot blame Islam for carrying out these attacks in what they perceive the wars in Islamic countries being invasions of Christians

As per my earlier post at the end of day lets just agree we dont really get on and are segregrated in communities to avoid confrontation
We were getting bombed by catholic christian terrorists for far longer in THIS country - 9/11 bad as it was happened in the USA and was targeting the USA not us, British citizen were caught up but the target was America.

Dont forget america was funded Irish terrorism for a long time knowing full well british soldiers and civillians would be killed.

Its beyond contempt that people like you try and stigmatise the entire UK muslim population for the actions of so few.

Throwing up 9/11 and 7/7 at every opportunity as if that somehow makes me less of a person or my arguments less valid.

If we used your logic that you enjoy using against muslims, you wouldnt have leg to stand on given what you brethren have done in your name past and present.

Take a look at what the "greatest Englishman" of our times took delight in doing - a terrorist by any other name.

http://www.guardian.
co.uk/world/2003/apr
/19/iraq.arts

Churchill was particularly keen on chemical weapons, suggesting they be used "against recalcitrant Arabs as an experiment". He dismissed objections as "unreasonable". "I am strongly in favour of using poisoned gas against uncivilised tribes _ spread a lively terror _"

When Iraqi tribes stood up for themselves, we unleashed the flying dogs of war to "police" them. Terror bombing, night bombing, heavy bombers, delayed action bombs (particularly lethal against children) were all developed during raids on mud, stone and reed villages.
[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thingybob68[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: Who mentioned The Sun? We are talking about Bradford and the articles in this newspaper. "Zenophobia"! Still you persist LOL those poor Buddhists![/p][/quote]then why mention the Gaurdian? In general, some sections of the media are quite zenophobic, others not as much or less so. http://www.independe nt.co.uk/news/media/ the-shameful-islamop hobia-at-the-heart-o f-britains-press-861 096.html It doesnt change the credibility of the Gaurdian study or its relevance to YOUR false and misleading statistic re: muslims in prison which you failed to mention only related to MUSLIM YOUTH in YOUTH prisons - or am i giving you more credit than you deserve - perhaps you just didnt understand or realise and cant read a story properly. hmm?[/p][/quote]Maybe Islamophobia has something to do with the 7/7 bombings or 9/11? All carried out in the name of Islam were they not? You can hardly blame Christians for drawing conclusions as also you cannot blame Islam for carrying out these attacks in what they perceive the wars in Islamic countries being invasions of Christians As per my earlier post at the end of day lets just agree we dont really get on and are segregrated in communities to avoid confrontation[/p][/quote]We were getting bombed by catholic christian terrorists for far longer in THIS country - 9/11 bad as it was happened in the USA and was targeting the USA not us, British citizen were caught up but the target was America. Dont forget america was funded Irish terrorism for a long time knowing full well british soldiers and civillians would be killed. Its beyond contempt that people like you try and stigmatise the entire UK muslim population for the actions of so few. Throwing up 9/11 and 7/7 at every opportunity as if that somehow makes me less of a person or my arguments less valid. If we used your logic that you enjoy using against muslims, you wouldnt have leg to stand on given what you brethren have done in your name past and present. Take a look at what the "greatest Englishman" of our times took delight in doing - a terrorist by any other name. http://www.guardian. co.uk/world/2003/apr /19/iraq.arts Churchill was particularly keen on chemical weapons, suggesting they be used "against recalcitrant Arabs as an experiment". He dismissed objections as "unreasonable". "I am strongly in favour of using poisoned gas against uncivilised tribes _ [to] spread a lively terror _" When Iraqi tribes stood up for themselves, we unleashed the flying dogs of war to "police" them. Terror bombing, night bombing, heavy bombers, delayed action bombs (particularly lethal against children) were all developed during raids on mud, stone and reed villages. thingybob68
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10:50am Tue 22 Jan 13

Andy2010 says...

thingybob68 wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
thingybob68 wrote:
SinnerSaint wrote:
Who mentioned The Sun? We are talking about Bradford and the articles in this newspaper.

"Zenophobia"! Still you persist LOL those poor Buddhists!
then why mention the Gaurdian?

In general, some sections of the media are quite zenophobic, others not as much or less so.

http://www.independe



nt.co.uk/news/media/



the-shameful-islamop



hobia-at-the-heart-o



f-britains-press-861



096.html

It doesnt change the credibility of the Gaurdian study or its relevance to YOUR false and misleading statistic re: muslims in prison which you failed to mention only related to MUSLIM YOUTH in YOUTH prisons - or am i giving you more credit than you deserve - perhaps you just didnt understand or realise and cant read a story properly.

hmm?
Maybe Islamophobia has something to do with the 7/7 bombings or 9/11?

All carried out in the name of Islam were they not?

You can hardly blame Christians for drawing conclusions as also you cannot blame Islam for carrying out these attacks in what they perceive the wars in Islamic countries being invasions of Christians

As per my earlier post at the end of day lets just agree we dont really get on and are segregrated in communities to avoid confrontation
We were getting bombed by catholic christian terrorists for far longer in THIS country - 9/11 bad as it was happened in the USA and was targeting the USA not us, British citizen were caught up but the target was America.

Dont forget america was funded Irish terrorism for a long time knowing full well british soldiers and civillians would be killed.

Its beyond contempt that people like you try and stigmatise the entire UK muslim population for the actions of so few.

Throwing up 9/11 and 7/7 at every opportunity as if that somehow makes me less of a person or my arguments less valid.

If we used your logic that you enjoy using against muslims, you wouldnt have leg to stand on given what you brethren have done in your name past and present.

Take a look at what the "greatest Englishman" of our times took delight in doing - a terrorist by any other name.

http://www.guardian.

co.uk/world/2003/apr

/19/iraq.arts

Churchill was particularly keen on chemical weapons, suggesting they be used "against recalcitrant Arabs as an experiment". He dismissed objections as "unreasonable". "I am strongly in favour of using poisoned gas against uncivilised tribes _ spread a lively terror _"

When Iraqi tribes stood up for themselves, we unleashed the flying dogs of war to "police" them. Terror bombing, night bombing, heavy bombers, delayed action bombs (particularly lethal against children) were all developed during raids on mud, stone and reed villages.
Did you actually read my post?

I stated that the bombings were in revenge for things going on or perceived in Muslim countries not just done for a laugh !

Like I said at end of day as history as taught us various religions / cultures etc etc etc cant get on and if history has taught us anything its that mixing the two causes more problems than its worth.
[quote][p][bold]thingybob68[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thingybob68[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: Who mentioned The Sun? We are talking about Bradford and the articles in this newspaper. "Zenophobia"! Still you persist LOL those poor Buddhists![/p][/quote]then why mention the Gaurdian? In general, some sections of the media are quite zenophobic, others not as much or less so. http://www.independe nt.co.uk/news/media/ the-shameful-islamop hobia-at-the-heart-o f-britains-press-861 096.html It doesnt change the credibility of the Gaurdian study or its relevance to YOUR false and misleading statistic re: muslims in prison which you failed to mention only related to MUSLIM YOUTH in YOUTH prisons - or am i giving you more credit than you deserve - perhaps you just didnt understand or realise and cant read a story properly. hmm?[/p][/quote]Maybe Islamophobia has something to do with the 7/7 bombings or 9/11? All carried out in the name of Islam were they not? You can hardly blame Christians for drawing conclusions as also you cannot blame Islam for carrying out these attacks in what they perceive the wars in Islamic countries being invasions of Christians As per my earlier post at the end of day lets just agree we dont really get on and are segregrated in communities to avoid confrontation[/p][/quote]We were getting bombed by catholic christian terrorists for far longer in THIS country - 9/11 bad as it was happened in the USA and was targeting the USA not us, British citizen were caught up but the target was America. Dont forget america was funded Irish terrorism for a long time knowing full well british soldiers and civillians would be killed. Its beyond contempt that people like you try and stigmatise the entire UK muslim population for the actions of so few. Throwing up 9/11 and 7/7 at every opportunity as if that somehow makes me less of a person or my arguments less valid. If we used your logic that you enjoy using against muslims, you wouldnt have leg to stand on given what you brethren have done in your name past and present. Take a look at what the "greatest Englishman" of our times took delight in doing - a terrorist by any other name. http://www.guardian. co.uk/world/2003/apr /19/iraq.arts Churchill was particularly keen on chemical weapons, suggesting they be used "against recalcitrant Arabs as an experiment". He dismissed objections as "unreasonable". "I am strongly in favour of using poisoned gas against uncivilised tribes _ [to] spread a lively terror _" When Iraqi tribes stood up for themselves, we unleashed the flying dogs of war to "police" them. Terror bombing, night bombing, heavy bombers, delayed action bombs (particularly lethal against children) were all developed during raids on mud, stone and reed villages.[/p][/quote]Did you actually read my post? I stated that the bombings were in revenge for things going on or perceived in Muslim countries not just done for a laugh ! Like I said at end of day as history as taught us various religions / cultures etc etc etc cant get on and if history has taught us anything its that mixing the two causes more problems than its worth. Andy2010
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10:50am Tue 22 Jan 13

thingybob68 says...

Andy2010 wrote:
thingybob68 wrote:
SinnerSaint wrote:
Who mentioned The Sun? We are talking about Bradford and the articles in this newspaper.

"Zenophobia"! Still you persist LOL those poor Buddhists!
then why mention the Gaurdian?

In general, some sections of the media are quite zenophobic, others not as much or less so.

http://www.independe


nt.co.uk/news/media/


the-shameful-islamop


hobia-at-the-heart-o


f-britains-press-861


096.html

It doesnt change the credibility of the Gaurdian study or its relevance to YOUR false and misleading statistic re: muslims in prison which you failed to mention only related to MUSLIM YOUTH in YOUTH prisons - or am i giving you more credit than you deserve - perhaps you just didnt understand or realise and cant read a story properly.

hmm?
Maybe Islamophobia has something to do with the 7/7 bombings or 9/11?

All carried out in the name of Islam were they not?

You can hardly blame Christians for drawing conclusions as also you cannot blame Islam for carrying out these attacks in what they perceive the wars in Islamic countries being invasions of Christians

As per my earlier post at the end of day lets just agree we dont really get on and are segregrated in communities to avoid confrontation
Oh, and for every one person of muslim heritage in Bradford or England that you can pick out as being a terrorist or criminal - there are an infinitely great many more of muslim heritage in Bradford or England (or the wider world for that matter) who are law abiding and peaceful - why dont you try drawing some conclusions form that.

And dont bring Chrsitains in to it -it is not fair that they should ALL be tarnished by your ignorance and intolerance.

(Notwisthanding that by your logic if we look at what some Christians have done, past and present - we wouldnt be able to draw some positive conclusions about Christians or Christianity either).

tut tut.
[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thingybob68[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: Who mentioned The Sun? We are talking about Bradford and the articles in this newspaper. "Zenophobia"! Still you persist LOL those poor Buddhists![/p][/quote]then why mention the Gaurdian? In general, some sections of the media are quite zenophobic, others not as much or less so. http://www.independe nt.co.uk/news/media/ the-shameful-islamop hobia-at-the-heart-o f-britains-press-861 096.html It doesnt change the credibility of the Gaurdian study or its relevance to YOUR false and misleading statistic re: muslims in prison which you failed to mention only related to MUSLIM YOUTH in YOUTH prisons - or am i giving you more credit than you deserve - perhaps you just didnt understand or realise and cant read a story properly. hmm?[/p][/quote]Maybe Islamophobia has something to do with the 7/7 bombings or 9/11? All carried out in the name of Islam were they not? You can hardly blame Christians for drawing conclusions as also you cannot blame Islam for carrying out these attacks in what they perceive the wars in Islamic countries being invasions of Christians As per my earlier post at the end of day lets just agree we dont really get on and are segregrated in communities to avoid confrontation[/p][/quote]Oh, and for every one person of muslim heritage in Bradford or England that you can pick out as being a terrorist or criminal - there are an infinitely great many more of muslim heritage in Bradford or England (or the wider world for that matter) who are law abiding and peaceful - why dont you try drawing some conclusions form that. And dont bring Chrsitains in to it -it is not fair that they should ALL be tarnished by your ignorance and intolerance. (Notwisthanding that by your logic if we look at what some Christians have done, past and present - we wouldnt be able to draw some positive conclusions about Christians or Christianity either). tut tut. thingybob68
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10:51am Tue 22 Jan 13

Andy2010 says...

Andy2010 wrote:
thingybob68 wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
thingybob68 wrote:
SinnerSaint wrote:
Who mentioned The Sun? We are talking about Bradford and the articles in this newspaper.

"Zenophobia"! Still you persist LOL those poor Buddhists!
then why mention the Gaurdian?

In general, some sections of the media are quite zenophobic, others not as much or less so.

http://www.independe




nt.co.uk/news/media/




the-shameful-islamop




hobia-at-the-heart-o




f-britains-press-861




096.html

It doesnt change the credibility of the Gaurdian study or its relevance to YOUR false and misleading statistic re: muslims in prison which you failed to mention only related to MUSLIM YOUTH in YOUTH prisons - or am i giving you more credit than you deserve - perhaps you just didnt understand or realise and cant read a story properly.

hmm?
Maybe Islamophobia has something to do with the 7/7 bombings or 9/11?

All carried out in the name of Islam were they not?

You can hardly blame Christians for drawing conclusions as also you cannot blame Islam for carrying out these attacks in what they perceive the wars in Islamic countries being invasions of Christians

As per my earlier post at the end of day lets just agree we dont really get on and are segregrated in communities to avoid confrontation
We were getting bombed by catholic christian terrorists for far longer in THIS country - 9/11 bad as it was happened in the USA and was targeting the USA not us, British citizen were caught up but the target was America.

Dont forget america was funded Irish terrorism for a long time knowing full well british soldiers and civillians would be killed.

Its beyond contempt that people like you try and stigmatise the entire UK muslim population for the actions of so few.

Throwing up 9/11 and 7/7 at every opportunity as if that somehow makes me less of a person or my arguments less valid.

If we used your logic that you enjoy using against muslims, you wouldnt have leg to stand on given what you brethren have done in your name past and present.

Take a look at what the "greatest Englishman" of our times took delight in doing - a terrorist by any other name.

http://www.guardian.


co.uk/world/2003/apr


/19/iraq.arts

Churchill was particularly keen on chemical weapons, suggesting they be used "against recalcitrant Arabs as an experiment". He dismissed objections as "unreasonable". "I am strongly in favour of using poisoned gas against uncivilised tribes _ spread a lively terror _"

When Iraqi tribes stood up for themselves, we unleashed the flying dogs of war to "police" them. Terror bombing, night bombing, heavy bombers, delayed action bombs (particularly lethal against children) were all developed during raids on mud, stone and reed villages.
Did you actually read my post?

I stated that the bombings were in revenge for things going on or perceived in Muslim countries not just done for a laugh !

Like I said at end of day as history as taught us various religions / cultures etc etc etc cant get on and if history has taught us anything its that mixing the two causes more problems than its worth.
Intesting also you refer to Muslims as "we"

Therefore this just reinforces my arguement that basically its "them and us" across the whole country
[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thingybob68[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thingybob68[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: Who mentioned The Sun? We are talking about Bradford and the articles in this newspaper. "Zenophobia"! Still you persist LOL those poor Buddhists![/p][/quote]then why mention the Gaurdian? In general, some sections of the media are quite zenophobic, others not as much or less so. http://www.independe nt.co.uk/news/media/ the-shameful-islamop hobia-at-the-heart-o f-britains-press-861 096.html It doesnt change the credibility of the Gaurdian study or its relevance to YOUR false and misleading statistic re: muslims in prison which you failed to mention only related to MUSLIM YOUTH in YOUTH prisons - or am i giving you more credit than you deserve - perhaps you just didnt understand or realise and cant read a story properly. hmm?[/p][/quote]Maybe Islamophobia has something to do with the 7/7 bombings or 9/11? All carried out in the name of Islam were they not? You can hardly blame Christians for drawing conclusions as also you cannot blame Islam for carrying out these attacks in what they perceive the wars in Islamic countries being invasions of Christians As per my earlier post at the end of day lets just agree we dont really get on and are segregrated in communities to avoid confrontation[/p][/quote]We were getting bombed by catholic christian terrorists for far longer in THIS country - 9/11 bad as it was happened in the USA and was targeting the USA not us, British citizen were caught up but the target was America. Dont forget america was funded Irish terrorism for a long time knowing full well british soldiers and civillians would be killed. Its beyond contempt that people like you try and stigmatise the entire UK muslim population for the actions of so few. Throwing up 9/11 and 7/7 at every opportunity as if that somehow makes me less of a person or my arguments less valid. If we used your logic that you enjoy using against muslims, you wouldnt have leg to stand on given what you brethren have done in your name past and present. Take a look at what the "greatest Englishman" of our times took delight in doing - a terrorist by any other name. http://www.guardian. co.uk/world/2003/apr /19/iraq.arts Churchill was particularly keen on chemical weapons, suggesting they be used "against recalcitrant Arabs as an experiment". He dismissed objections as "unreasonable". "I am strongly in favour of using poisoned gas against uncivilised tribes _ [to] spread a lively terror _" When Iraqi tribes stood up for themselves, we unleashed the flying dogs of war to "police" them. Terror bombing, night bombing, heavy bombers, delayed action bombs (particularly lethal against children) were all developed during raids on mud, stone and reed villages.[/p][/quote]Did you actually read my post? I stated that the bombings were in revenge for things going on or perceived in Muslim countries not just done for a laugh ! Like I said at end of day as history as taught us various religions / cultures etc etc etc cant get on and if history has taught us anything its that mixing the two causes more problems than its worth.[/p][/quote]Intesting also you refer to Muslims as "we" Therefore this just reinforces my arguement that basically its "them and us" across the whole country Andy2010
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10:54am Tue 22 Jan 13

Andy2010 says...

thingybob68 wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
thingybob68 wrote:
SinnerSaint wrote:
Who mentioned The Sun? We are talking about Bradford and the articles in this newspaper.

"Zenophobia"! Still you persist LOL those poor Buddhists!
then why mention the Gaurdian?

In general, some sections of the media are quite zenophobic, others not as much or less so.

http://www.independe



nt.co.uk/news/media/



the-shameful-islamop



hobia-at-the-heart-o



f-britains-press-861



096.html

It doesnt change the credibility of the Gaurdian study or its relevance to YOUR false and misleading statistic re: muslims in prison which you failed to mention only related to MUSLIM YOUTH in YOUTH prisons - or am i giving you more credit than you deserve - perhaps you just didnt understand or realise and cant read a story properly.

hmm?
Maybe Islamophobia has something to do with the 7/7 bombings or 9/11?

All carried out in the name of Islam were they not?

You can hardly blame Christians for drawing conclusions as also you cannot blame Islam for carrying out these attacks in what they perceive the wars in Islamic countries being invasions of Christians

As per my earlier post at the end of day lets just agree we dont really get on and are segregrated in communities to avoid confrontation
Oh, and for every one person of muslim heritage in Bradford or England that you can pick out as being a terrorist or criminal - there are an infinitely great many more of muslim heritage in Bradford or England (or the wider world for that matter) who are law abiding and peaceful - why dont you try drawing some conclusions form that.

And dont bring Chrsitains in to it -it is not fair that they should ALL be tarnished by your ignorance and intolerance.

(Notwisthanding that by your logic if we look at what some Christians have done, past and present - we wouldnt be able to draw some positive conclusions about Christians or Christianity either).

tut tut.
And if you had taken the time to read my post rather than just linking gibberish from online articles you would see I actually agree with you totally

My point is that both cultures and religions as history as taught us cannot live in peace with one another. We are both as bad as each other and this will continue long after Im dead and for hundreds of years in the future.

This is why multiculturism doesnt work and never will
[quote][p][bold]thingybob68[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thingybob68[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: Who mentioned The Sun? We are talking about Bradford and the articles in this newspaper. "Zenophobia"! Still you persist LOL those poor Buddhists![/p][/quote]then why mention the Gaurdian? In general, some sections of the media are quite zenophobic, others not as much or less so. http://www.independe nt.co.uk/news/media/ the-shameful-islamop hobia-at-the-heart-o f-britains-press-861 096.html It doesnt change the credibility of the Gaurdian study or its relevance to YOUR false and misleading statistic re: muslims in prison which you failed to mention only related to MUSLIM YOUTH in YOUTH prisons - or am i giving you more credit than you deserve - perhaps you just didnt understand or realise and cant read a story properly. hmm?[/p][/quote]Maybe Islamophobia has something to do with the 7/7 bombings or 9/11? All carried out in the name of Islam were they not? You can hardly blame Christians for drawing conclusions as also you cannot blame Islam for carrying out these attacks in what they perceive the wars in Islamic countries being invasions of Christians As per my earlier post at the end of day lets just agree we dont really get on and are segregrated in communities to avoid confrontation[/p][/quote]Oh, and for every one person of muslim heritage in Bradford or England that you can pick out as being a terrorist or criminal - there are an infinitely great many more of muslim heritage in Bradford or England (or the wider world for that matter) who are law abiding and peaceful - why dont you try drawing some conclusions form that. And dont bring Chrsitains in to it -it is not fair that they should ALL be tarnished by your ignorance and intolerance. (Notwisthanding that by your logic if we look at what some Christians have done, past and present - we wouldnt be able to draw some positive conclusions about Christians or Christianity either). tut tut.[/p][/quote]And if you had taken the time to read my post rather than just linking gibberish from online articles you would see I actually agree with you totally My point is that both cultures and religions as history as taught us cannot live in peace with one another. We are both as bad as each other and this will continue long after Im dead and for hundreds of years in the future. This is why multiculturism doesnt work and never will Andy2010
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11:10am Tue 22 Jan 13

thingybob68 says...

Andy2010 wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
thingybob68 wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
thingybob68 wrote:
SinnerSaint wrote:
Who mentioned The Sun? We are talking about Bradford and the articles in this newspaper.

"Zenophobia"! Still you persist LOL those poor Buddhists!
then why mention the Gaurdian?

In general, some sections of the media are quite zenophobic, others not as much or less so.

http://www.independe





nt.co.uk/news/media/





the-shameful-islamop





hobia-at-the-heart-o





f-britains-press-861





096.html

It doesnt change the credibility of the Gaurdian study or its relevance to YOUR false and misleading statistic re: muslims in prison which you failed to mention only related to MUSLIM YOUTH in YOUTH prisons - or am i giving you more credit than you deserve - perhaps you just didnt understand or realise and cant read a story properly.

hmm?
Maybe Islamophobia has something to do with the 7/7 bombings or 9/11?

All carried out in the name of Islam were they not?

You can hardly blame Christians for drawing conclusions as also you cannot blame Islam for carrying out these attacks in what they perceive the wars in Islamic countries being invasions of Christians

As per my earlier post at the end of day lets just agree we dont really get on and are segregrated in communities to avoid confrontation
We were getting bombed by catholic christian terrorists for far longer in THIS country - 9/11 bad as it was happened in the USA and was targeting the USA not us, British citizen were caught up but the target was America.

Dont forget america was funded Irish terrorism for a long time knowing full well british soldiers and civillians would be killed.

Its beyond contempt that people like you try and stigmatise the entire UK muslim population for the actions of so few.

Throwing up 9/11 and 7/7 at every opportunity as if that somehow makes me less of a person or my arguments less valid.

If we used your logic that you enjoy using against muslims, you wouldnt have leg to stand on given what you brethren have done in your name past and present.

Take a look at what the "greatest Englishman" of our times took delight in doing - a terrorist by any other name.

http://www.guardian.



co.uk/world/2003/apr



/19/iraq.arts

Churchill was particularly keen on chemical weapons, suggesting they be used "against recalcitrant Arabs as an experiment". He dismissed objections as "unreasonable". "I am strongly in favour of using poisoned gas against uncivilised tribes _ spread a lively terror _"

When Iraqi tribes stood up for themselves, we unleashed the flying dogs of war to "police" them. Terror bombing, night bombing, heavy bombers, delayed action bombs (particularly lethal against children) were all developed during raids on mud, stone and reed villages.
Did you actually read my post?

I stated that the bombings were in revenge for things going on or perceived in Muslim countries not just done for a laugh !

Like I said at end of day as history as taught us various religions / cultures etc etc etc cant get on and if history has taught us anything its that mixing the two causes more problems than its worth.
Intesting also you refer to Muslims as "we"

Therefore this just reinforces my arguement that basically its "them and us" across the whole country
Not really, i havent referred to muslims as we, point out where i have.

To strat I said "we have been bombed" as in we in England, al of us.

Then I said if "we" use that argument" as in us readers.

Its only YOU doing all the inference.

I know you want so badly to be able to say it is them against us - but thats just not how I personally see it.
[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thingybob68[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thingybob68[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: Who mentioned The Sun? We are talking about Bradford and the articles in this newspaper. "Zenophobia"! Still you persist LOL those poor Buddhists![/p][/quote]then why mention the Gaurdian? In general, some sections of the media are quite zenophobic, others not as much or less so. http://www.independe nt.co.uk/news/media/ the-shameful-islamop hobia-at-the-heart-o f-britains-press-861 096.html It doesnt change the credibility of the Gaurdian study or its relevance to YOUR false and misleading statistic re: muslims in prison which you failed to mention only related to MUSLIM YOUTH in YOUTH prisons - or am i giving you more credit than you deserve - perhaps you just didnt understand or realise and cant read a story properly. hmm?[/p][/quote]Maybe Islamophobia has something to do with the 7/7 bombings or 9/11? All carried out in the name of Islam were they not? You can hardly blame Christians for drawing conclusions as also you cannot blame Islam for carrying out these attacks in what they perceive the wars in Islamic countries being invasions of Christians As per my earlier post at the end of day lets just agree we dont really get on and are segregrated in communities to avoid confrontation[/p][/quote]We were getting bombed by catholic christian terrorists for far longer in THIS country - 9/11 bad as it was happened in the USA and was targeting the USA not us, British citizen were caught up but the target was America. Dont forget america was funded Irish terrorism for a long time knowing full well british soldiers and civillians would be killed. Its beyond contempt that people like you try and stigmatise the entire UK muslim population for the actions of so few. Throwing up 9/11 and 7/7 at every opportunity as if that somehow makes me less of a person or my arguments less valid. If we used your logic that you enjoy using against muslims, you wouldnt have leg to stand on given what you brethren have done in your name past and present. Take a look at what the "greatest Englishman" of our times took delight in doing - a terrorist by any other name. http://www.guardian. co.uk/world/2003/apr /19/iraq.arts Churchill was particularly keen on chemical weapons, suggesting they be used "against recalcitrant Arabs as an experiment". He dismissed objections as "unreasonable". "I am strongly in favour of using poisoned gas against uncivilised tribes _ [to] spread a lively terror _" When Iraqi tribes stood up for themselves, we unleashed the flying dogs of war to "police" them. Terror bombing, night bombing, heavy bombers, delayed action bombs (particularly lethal against children) were all developed during raids on mud, stone and reed villages.[/p][/quote]Did you actually read my post? I stated that the bombings were in revenge for things going on or perceived in Muslim countries not just done for a laugh ! Like I said at end of day as history as taught us various religions / cultures etc etc etc cant get on and if history has taught us anything its that mixing the two causes more problems than its worth.[/p][/quote]Intesting also you refer to Muslims as "we" Therefore this just reinforces my arguement that basically its "them and us" across the whole country[/p][/quote]Not really, i havent referred to muslims as we, point out where i have. To strat I said "we have been bombed" as in we in England, al of us. Then I said if "we" use that argument" as in us readers. Its only YOU doing all the inference. I know you want so badly to be able to say it is them against us - but thats just not how I personally see it. thingybob68
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11:24am Tue 22 Jan 13

Andy2010 says...

thingybob68 wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
thingybob68 wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
thingybob68 wrote:
SinnerSaint wrote:
Who mentioned The Sun? We are talking about Bradford and the articles in this newspaper.

"Zenophobia"! Still you persist LOL those poor Buddhists!
then why mention the Gaurdian?

In general, some sections of the media are quite zenophobic, others not as much or less so.

http://www.independe






nt.co.uk/news/media/






the-shameful-islamop






hobia-at-the-heart-o






f-britains-press-861






096.html

It doesnt change the credibility of the Gaurdian study or its relevance to YOUR false and misleading statistic re: muslims in prison which you failed to mention only related to MUSLIM YOUTH in YOUTH prisons - or am i giving you more credit than you deserve - perhaps you just didnt understand or realise and cant read a story properly.

hmm?
Maybe Islamophobia has something to do with the 7/7 bombings or 9/11?

All carried out in the name of Islam were they not?

You can hardly blame Christians for drawing conclusions as also you cannot blame Islam for carrying out these attacks in what they perceive the wars in Islamic countries being invasions of Christians

As per my earlier post at the end of day lets just agree we dont really get on and are segregrated in communities to avoid confrontation
We were getting bombed by catholic christian terrorists for far longer in THIS country - 9/11 bad as it was happened in the USA and was targeting the USA not us, British citizen were caught up but the target was America.

Dont forget america was funded Irish terrorism for a long time knowing full well british soldiers and civillians would be killed.

Its beyond contempt that people like you try and stigmatise the entire UK muslim population for the actions of so few.

Throwing up 9/11 and 7/7 at every opportunity as if that somehow makes me less of a person or my arguments less valid.

If we used your logic that you enjoy using against muslims, you wouldnt have leg to stand on given what you brethren have done in your name past and present.

Take a look at what the "greatest Englishman" of our times took delight in doing - a terrorist by any other name.

http://www.guardian.




co.uk/world/2003/apr




/19/iraq.arts

Churchill was particularly keen on chemical weapons, suggesting they be used "against recalcitrant Arabs as an experiment". He dismissed objections as "unreasonable". "I am strongly in favour of using poisoned gas against uncivilised tribes _ spread a lively terror _"

When Iraqi tribes stood up for themselves, we unleashed the flying dogs of war to "police" them. Terror bombing, night bombing, heavy bombers, delayed action bombs (particularly lethal against children) were all developed during raids on mud, stone and reed villages.
Did you actually read my post?

I stated that the bombings were in revenge for things going on or perceived in Muslim countries not just done for a laugh !

Like I said at end of day as history as taught us various religions / cultures etc etc etc cant get on and if history has taught us anything its that mixing the two causes more problems than its worth.
Intesting also you refer to Muslims as "we"

Therefore this just reinforces my arguement that basically its "them and us" across the whole country
Not really, i havent referred to muslims as we, point out where i have.

To strat I said "we have been bombed" as in we in England, al of us.

Then I said if "we" use that argument" as in us readers.

Its only YOU doing all the inference.

I know you want so badly to be able to say it is them against us - but thats just not how I personally see it.
How you personally see you it you say...

My case rests
[quote][p][bold]thingybob68[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thingybob68[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thingybob68[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: Who mentioned The Sun? We are talking about Bradford and the articles in this newspaper. "Zenophobia"! Still you persist LOL those poor Buddhists![/p][/quote]then why mention the Gaurdian? In general, some sections of the media are quite zenophobic, others not as much or less so. http://www.independe nt.co.uk/news/media/ the-shameful-islamop hobia-at-the-heart-o f-britains-press-861 096.html It doesnt change the credibility of the Gaurdian study or its relevance to YOUR false and misleading statistic re: muslims in prison which you failed to mention only related to MUSLIM YOUTH in YOUTH prisons - or am i giving you more credit than you deserve - perhaps you just didnt understand or realise and cant read a story properly. hmm?[/p][/quote]Maybe Islamophobia has something to do with the 7/7 bombings or 9/11? All carried out in the name of Islam were they not? You can hardly blame Christians for drawing conclusions as also you cannot blame Islam for carrying out these attacks in what they perceive the wars in Islamic countries being invasions of Christians As per my earlier post at the end of day lets just agree we dont really get on and are segregrated in communities to avoid confrontation[/p][/quote]We were getting bombed by catholic christian terrorists for far longer in THIS country - 9/11 bad as it was happened in the USA and was targeting the USA not us, British citizen were caught up but the target was America. Dont forget america was funded Irish terrorism for a long time knowing full well british soldiers and civillians would be killed. Its beyond contempt that people like you try and stigmatise the entire UK muslim population for the actions of so few. Throwing up 9/11 and 7/7 at every opportunity as if that somehow makes me less of a person or my arguments less valid. If we used your logic that you enjoy using against muslims, you wouldnt have leg to stand on given what you brethren have done in your name past and present. Take a look at what the "greatest Englishman" of our times took delight in doing - a terrorist by any other name. http://www.guardian. co.uk/world/2003/apr /19/iraq.arts Churchill was particularly keen on chemical weapons, suggesting they be used "against recalcitrant Arabs as an experiment". He dismissed objections as "unreasonable". "I am strongly in favour of using poisoned gas against uncivilised tribes _ [to] spread a lively terror _" When Iraqi tribes stood up for themselves, we unleashed the flying dogs of war to "police" them. Terror bombing, night bombing, heavy bombers, delayed action bombs (particularly lethal against children) were all developed during raids on mud, stone and reed villages.[/p][/quote]Did you actually read my post? I stated that the bombings were in revenge for things going on or perceived in Muslim countries not just done for a laugh ! Like I said at end of day as history as taught us various religions / cultures etc etc etc cant get on and if history has taught us anything its that mixing the two causes more problems than its worth.[/p][/quote]Intesting also you refer to Muslims as "we" Therefore this just reinforces my arguement that basically its "them and us" across the whole country[/p][/quote]Not really, i havent referred to muslims as we, point out where i have. To strat I said "we have been bombed" as in we in England, al of us. Then I said if "we" use that argument" as in us readers. Its only YOU doing all the inference. I know you want so badly to be able to say it is them against us - but thats just not how I personally see it.[/p][/quote]How you personally see you it you say... My case rests Andy2010
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11:41am Tue 22 Jan 13

thingybob68 says...

Yes, how I personally see it, and I have had conversations with many people over the years on segregation and I know many more who feel just like me and would like to have a less segregated lifestyle but find it hard to get accepted in "indigenous communities" and I will do my best to give my kids a different experience and upbringing, either in this country or in Canada if that is the only way.

However the white eastern european and pakistani communities seem to be getting on okay with no segregated areas between them as yet - with the kids growing up together and in the same schools.

Perhaps my kids might get a less segregated and homogeneous future after all - but only within BD7.

lmfao!
Yes, how I personally see it, and I have had conversations with many people over the years on segregation and I know many more who feel just like me and would like to have a less segregated lifestyle but find it hard to get accepted in "indigenous communities" and I will do my best to give my kids a different experience and upbringing, either in this country or in Canada if that is the only way. However the white eastern european and pakistani communities seem to be getting on okay with no segregated areas between them as yet - with the kids growing up together and in the same schools. Perhaps my kids might get a less segregated and homogeneous future after all - but only within BD7. lmfao! thingybob68
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11:50am Tue 22 Jan 13

Mutha.Slimer says...

Give it a rest with this " we need these peole here to pick the fruit and veg that the local people won't do" Believe me 10-15 years ago before we had this influx of immigrants, the cabbages were not laying rotting in the fields, they were being picked, by local people for a normal living wage, the bosses of these places can now pay these immigrant tuppence a day and there lays the problem, get rid and start paying a proper wage-AGAIN.
Give it a rest with this " we need these peole here to pick the fruit and veg that the local people won't do" Believe me 10-15 years ago before we had this influx of immigrants, the cabbages were not laying rotting in the fields, they were being picked, by local people for a normal living wage, the bosses of these places can now pay these immigrant tuppence a day and there lays the problem, get rid and start paying a proper wage-AGAIN. Mutha.Slimer
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11:55am Tue 22 Jan 13

Andy2010 says...

thingybob68 wrote:
Yes, how I personally see it, and I have had conversations with many people over the years on segregation and I know many more who feel just like me and would like to have a less segregated lifestyle but find it hard to get accepted in "indigenous communities" and I will do my best to give my kids a different experience and upbringing, either in this country or in Canada if that is the only way.

However the white eastern european and pakistani communities seem to be getting on okay with no segregated areas between them as yet - with the kids growing up together and in the same schools.

Perhaps my kids might get a less segregated and homogeneous future after all - but only within BD7.

lmfao!
The Eastern Europeans and Pakistani communities are getting along ?

Are they really?

They are living alongside each other not through choice but Id suggest you actually speak to some European immigrants about what they think of the Asian community.

Its isnt as you stated at all. They cant stand each other
[quote][p][bold]thingybob68[/bold] wrote: Yes, how I personally see it, and I have had conversations with many people over the years on segregation and I know many more who feel just like me and would like to have a less segregated lifestyle but find it hard to get accepted in "indigenous communities" and I will do my best to give my kids a different experience and upbringing, either in this country or in Canada if that is the only way. However the white eastern european and pakistani communities seem to be getting on okay with no segregated areas between them as yet - with the kids growing up together and in the same schools. Perhaps my kids might get a less segregated and homogeneous future after all - but only within BD7. lmfao![/p][/quote]The Eastern Europeans and Pakistani communities are getting along ? Are they really? They are living alongside each other not through choice but Id suggest you actually speak to some European immigrants about what they think of the Asian community. Its isnt as you stated at all. They cant stand each other Andy2010
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12:06pm Tue 22 Jan 13

thingybob68 says...

Andy2010 wrote:
thingybob68 wrote:
Yes, how I personally see it, and I have had conversations with many people over the years on segregation and I know many more who feel just like me and would like to have a less segregated lifestyle but find it hard to get accepted in "indigenous communities" and I will do my best to give my kids a different experience and upbringing, either in this country or in Canada if that is the only way.

However the white eastern european and pakistani communities seem to be getting on okay with no segregated areas between them as yet - with the kids growing up together and in the same schools.

Perhaps my kids might get a less segregated and homogeneous future after all - but only within BD7.

lmfao!
The Eastern Europeans and Pakistani communities are getting along ?

Are they really?

They are living alongside each other not through choice but Id suggest you actually speak to some European immigrants about what they think of the Asian community.

Its isnt as you stated at all. They cant stand each other
The list of people you seem to be speaking on behalf of is growing ever longer.

My "opinion" is as equal as yours, and we both can only speak of our individual experience.

Thats why i qualify its my experience and opnion and that of many people I know - I dont claim to speak on behalf of everyone.

Whilst there are those like you who insist segregation is wanted by all sides and inevitable, there ae also those like me who do not want it, or see it as inevitable.
[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thingybob68[/bold] wrote: Yes, how I personally see it, and I have had conversations with many people over the years on segregation and I know many more who feel just like me and would like to have a less segregated lifestyle but find it hard to get accepted in "indigenous communities" and I will do my best to give my kids a different experience and upbringing, either in this country or in Canada if that is the only way. However the white eastern european and pakistani communities seem to be getting on okay with no segregated areas between them as yet - with the kids growing up together and in the same schools. Perhaps my kids might get a less segregated and homogeneous future after all - but only within BD7. lmfao![/p][/quote]The Eastern Europeans and Pakistani communities are getting along ? Are they really? They are living alongside each other not through choice but Id suggest you actually speak to some European immigrants about what they think of the Asian community. Its isnt as you stated at all. They cant stand each other[/p][/quote]The list of people you seem to be speaking on behalf of is growing ever longer. My "opinion" is as equal as yours, and we both can only speak of our individual experience. Thats why i qualify its my experience and opnion and that of many people I know - I dont claim to speak on behalf of everyone. Whilst there are those like you who insist segregation is wanted by all sides and inevitable, there ae also those like me who do not want it, or see it as inevitable. thingybob68
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12:26pm Tue 22 Jan 13

Andy2010 says...

thingybob68 wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
thingybob68 wrote:
Yes, how I personally see it, and I have had conversations with many people over the years on segregation and I know many more who feel just like me and would like to have a less segregated lifestyle but find it hard to get accepted in "indigenous communities" and I will do my best to give my kids a different experience and upbringing, either in this country or in Canada if that is the only way.

However the white eastern european and pakistani communities seem to be getting on okay with no segregated areas between them as yet - with the kids growing up together and in the same schools.

Perhaps my kids might get a less segregated and homogeneous future after all - but only within BD7.

lmfao!
The Eastern Europeans and Pakistani communities are getting along ?

Are they really?

They are living alongside each other not through choice but Id suggest you actually speak to some European immigrants about what they think of the Asian community.

Its isnt as you stated at all. They cant stand each other
The list of people you seem to be speaking on behalf of is growing ever longer.

My "opinion" is as equal as yours, and we both can only speak of our individual experience.

Thats why i qualify its my experience and opnion and that of many people I know - I dont claim to speak on behalf of everyone.

Whilst there are those like you who insist segregation is wanted by all sides and inevitable, there ae also those like me who do not want it, or see it as inevitable.
Ok well good luck with your multiculturalism

I hope it works out for yourself.

Although just take a look around once a while and you will see Bradford IS segregated and will be for the foreseeable future. You are clearly blinded by the obvious.

Hows about you go live in certain areas of Glasgow for example? English are more than welcome,,,,you can preach about your utopia to them...see how that goes down
[quote][p][bold]thingybob68[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thingybob68[/bold] wrote: Yes, how I personally see it, and I have had conversations with many people over the years on segregation and I know many more who feel just like me and would like to have a less segregated lifestyle but find it hard to get accepted in "indigenous communities" and I will do my best to give my kids a different experience and upbringing, either in this country or in Canada if that is the only way. However the white eastern european and pakistani communities seem to be getting on okay with no segregated areas between them as yet - with the kids growing up together and in the same schools. Perhaps my kids might get a less segregated and homogeneous future after all - but only within BD7. lmfao![/p][/quote]The Eastern Europeans and Pakistani communities are getting along ? Are they really? They are living alongside each other not through choice but Id suggest you actually speak to some European immigrants about what they think of the Asian community. Its isnt as you stated at all. They cant stand each other[/p][/quote]The list of people you seem to be speaking on behalf of is growing ever longer. My "opinion" is as equal as yours, and we both can only speak of our individual experience. Thats why i qualify its my experience and opnion and that of many people I know - I dont claim to speak on behalf of everyone. Whilst there are those like you who insist segregation is wanted by all sides and inevitable, there ae also those like me who do not want it, or see it as inevitable.[/p][/quote]Ok well good luck with your multiculturalism I hope it works out for yourself. Although just take a look around once a while and you will see Bradford IS segregated and will be for the foreseeable future. You are clearly blinded by the obvious. Hows about you go live in certain areas of Glasgow for example? English are more than welcome,,,,you can preach about your utopia to them...see how that goes down Andy2010
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1:06pm Tue 22 Jan 13

thingybob68 says...

Yes I know its is segregated, i never said it wasnt, did I.

I simply challenged your view that the segregation was voluntary by everyone from all sides and was wanted by all - because I was born into segregation as are my kids and I am choosing not to accept it for my kids, so that they can grow up in a more representative community.

I wish you good luck with your segregation as well - by the way you can also go to Canada under a work permit.
Yes I know its is segregated, i never said it wasnt, did I. I simply challenged your view that the segregation was voluntary by everyone from all sides and was wanted by all - because I was born into segregation as are my kids and I am choosing not to accept it for my kids, so that they can grow up in a more representative community. I wish you good luck with your segregation as well - by the way you can also go to Canada under a work permit. thingybob68
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2:11pm Tue 22 Jan 13

thruth9211 says...

Why are people so racist in this country

Fact, today prince Harry said " life for a life" does this mean he is implementing Sharia Law. Or is his comments to terrorise people of their own country.

How would Britain Feel if another invaing force comes and kills them. From this point of view i would say that British personel would be the terriorist

Justice in this country stinks and Britian are know to invade countries ie Falklands, that only belong to Argentina

But the Uk are so idel that its common sence that the country belongs to them.
Victory to Argentina for the future
Why are people so racist in this country Fact, today prince Harry said " life for a life" does this mean he is implementing Sharia Law. Or is his comments to terrorise people of their own country. How would Britain Feel if another invaing force comes and kills them. From this point of view i would say that British personel would be the terriorist Justice in this country stinks and Britian are know to invade countries ie Falklands, that only belong to Argentina But the Uk are so idel that its common sence that the country belongs to them. Victory to Argentina for the future thruth9211
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2:47pm Tue 22 Jan 13

JimmyShip says...

Truth9211 are you “a bit simple”?
I wouldn’t even go through the spelling and grammar mistakes of your post. But to say that Britain invaded the Falkland islands? When it was in fact, it was Argentina who invaded the Falkland Islands which are a British overseas territory, and will remain British despite your pathetic “Victory to Argentina” statement.
If you are not happy in Britain, why not feel free to move to a land more suited to your own personal views? As the story above points out, there are 1000’s of people who would love to live her legally but have to do so illegally. And I am sure they would be more than willing to swap your home, for somewhere in a backward thinking, Sharia law, hell hole, where they came from?
Prince Harry is doing a fantastic job in the British Army, and is a credit to his family, and his nation, as is his brother Prince William.
Truth9211 are you “a bit simple”? I wouldn’t even go through the spelling and grammar mistakes of your post. But to say that Britain invaded the Falkland islands? When it was in fact, it was Argentina who invaded the Falkland Islands which are a British overseas territory, and will remain British despite your pathetic “Victory to Argentina” statement. If you are not happy in Britain, why not feel free to move to a land more suited to your own personal views? As the story above points out, there are 1000’s of people who would love to live her legally but have to do so illegally. And I am sure they would be more than willing to swap your home, for somewhere in a backward thinking, Sharia law, hell hole, where they came from? Prince Harry is doing a fantastic job in the British Army, and is a credit to his family, and his nation, as is his brother Prince William. JimmyShip
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3:55pm Tue 22 Jan 13

thruth9211 says...

So we can't blame people that blow up people here can we, "a life for a life".

If Harry is a credit, so was Hilter to Germany (well said Jimmyship)

While you kill in Iran, Iraq and Afghan, its only to wright that the love is shared in UK ( HAPPY TIMES)
So we can't blame people that blow up people here can we, "a life for a life". If Harry is a credit, so was Hilter to Germany (well said Jimmyship) While you kill in Iran, Iraq and Afghan, its only to wright that the love is shared in UK ( HAPPY TIMES) thruth9211
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4:48pm Tue 22 Jan 13

Andy2010 says...

thruth9211 wrote:
So we can't blame people that blow up people here can we, "a life for a life".

If Harry is a credit, so was Hilter to Germany (well said Jimmyship)

While you kill in Iran, Iraq and Afghan, its only to wright that the love is shared in UK ( HAPPY TIMES)
if the UK monarchy and armed forces offend you so much I would suggest you move back to the 12th century and enjoy the hospitality that can be provided for you in Pakistan, Iraq, Afghan or any other similar country.

Whilst you are in this country you are the queens subject so either get in line of get out...simple really
[quote][p][bold]thruth9211[/bold] wrote: So we can't blame people that blow up people here can we, "a life for a life". If Harry is a credit, so was Hilter to Germany (well said Jimmyship) While you kill in Iran, Iraq and Afghan, its only to wright that the love is shared in UK ( HAPPY TIMES)[/p][/quote]if the UK monarchy and armed forces offend you so much I would suggest you move back to the 12th century and enjoy the hospitality that can be provided for you in Pakistan, Iraq, Afghan or any other similar country. Whilst you are in this country you are the queens subject so either get in line of get out...simple really Andy2010
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6:15pm Tue 22 Jan 13

SinnerSaint says...

thruth9211 wrote:
So we can't blame people that blow up people here can we, "a life for a life".

If Harry is a credit, so was Hilter to Germany (well said Jimmyship)

While you kill in Iran, Iraq and Afghan, its only to wright that the love is shared in UK ( HAPPY TIMES)
I think you're more representative of the majority in your community rather than the more modern and liberal types like our intelligent and educated friend thingybob.

Your parents must be very proud.
[quote][p][bold]thruth9211[/bold] wrote: So we can't blame people that blow up people here can we, "a life for a life". If Harry is a credit, so was Hilter to Germany (well said Jimmyship) While you kill in Iran, Iraq and Afghan, its only to wright that the love is shared in UK ( HAPPY TIMES)[/p][/quote]I think you're more representative of the majority in your community rather than the more modern and liberal types like our intelligent and educated friend thingybob. Your parents must be very proud. SinnerSaint
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9:01pm Tue 22 Jan 13

i hate bradford says...

What a lot of bigoted fools and I mean the Iftikhars, thingybob68 and the truth9211 amongst us.

If you are going to lecture others and try to act intelligent and holier than thou you really ought to go get some extra English lessons.

If you can't afford that ask your British educated kids to teach you the basics of how to spell. You are all an embarrassments to yourselves and common jokers who can not possibly be taken seriously with your disgraceful illiteracy.

You prefer slum clearance overcrowded housing and flash cars? This really says it all doesn't it.

How could we not be jealous of you all?
What a lot of bigoted fools and I mean the Iftikhars, thingybob68 and the truth9211 amongst us. If you are going to lecture others and try to act intelligent and holier than thou you really ought to go get some extra English lessons. If you can't afford that ask your British educated kids to teach you the basics of how to spell. You are all an embarrassments to yourselves and common jokers who can not possibly be taken seriously with your disgraceful illiteracy. You prefer slum clearance overcrowded housing and flash cars? This really says it all doesn't it. How could we not be jealous of you all? i hate bradford
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9:34pm Tue 22 Jan 13

thingybob68 says...

i hate bradford wrote:
What a lot of bigoted fools and I mean the Iftikhars, thingybob68 and the truth9211 amongst us.

If you are going to lecture others and try to act intelligent and holier than thou you really ought to go get some extra English lessons.

If you can't afford that ask your British educated kids to teach you the basics of how to spell. You are all an embarrassments to yourselves and common jokers who can not possibly be taken seriously with your disgraceful illiteracy.

You prefer slum clearance overcrowded housing and flash cars? This really says it all doesn't it.

How could we not be jealous of you all?
whats spelling got to do with being bigoted?

And I have not made any bigoted statements - unlike your ignorant statements.

Please keep your english lessons for yourself, I am a business owner providing professional services, degree educated with considerable industry experience and a 40% rate tax payer.

The fact that i do not waste time spell checking my comments for the likes of you and your dim witted freinds is neither here nor there.

I suggest you worry more about your lack of ability to articulate yourself clearly and put forward a strong and erudite argument instead of your ignorant and baseless opnions, rather than worring about spelling.

Whether you choose to accept the fact that many well educated and professionally succesful people also choose to live in these areas because they have grown up in these areas, been schooled, made freinds and have family, is again neither here nor there.

What is well established is that many living there are owner occupiers, in sharp contrast to the many feral, deprived and workless council estates that are an utter blight to the city with mass unemployed, benefit dependant, social housing dwelling lay abouts.

It is common knowledge that many of the pubs in Bradford are packed to the rafters on benefit day.

And what you are, or are not jealous of is of no concern to me either- I do not spend my waking moments envying others or blaming other sfor my own failures- I prefer to set high goals for myself and strive hard to reach them.

And the car I drive is none of your business but its actually a 10 year old car worth less than £3k, even though I own several properties.

And your racist steretype of over crowded housing and flash cars is a well known passive aggressive stereotype of many bitter council estate dwelling chavs - and therin could be the answer to your question - how could you not be jealous - perhaps you've seen a young asian in a powerful, expensive car and its upset you a little?

I remember seeing video footage of the EDL demo in Bradford with leery knuckle dragging EDL scum abusing an asian man in an expensive range rover accusing him of being a drug dealer - his reply was very articulate calm and to the point - he replied I am a successful professional that earns more than your freinds and family combined - a dignified response to dole dosssing scum.

I am fairly certain my tax bill alone is more than what you earn in a year.

But dont hate me or be jealous - just try and better yourself you ignorant chav.

Try and communicate more articulately and I'll try not to laught at your reply.
[quote][p][bold]i hate bradford[/bold] wrote: What a lot of bigoted fools and I mean the Iftikhars, thingybob68 and the truth9211 amongst us. If you are going to lecture others and try to act intelligent and holier than thou you really ought to go get some extra English lessons. If you can't afford that ask your British educated kids to teach you the basics of how to spell. You are all an embarrassments to yourselves and common jokers who can not possibly be taken seriously with your disgraceful illiteracy. You prefer slum clearance overcrowded housing and flash cars? This really says it all doesn't it. How could we not be jealous of you all?[/p][/quote]whats spelling got to do with being bigoted? And I have not made any bigoted statements - unlike your ignorant statements. Please keep your english lessons for yourself, I am a business owner providing professional services, degree educated with considerable industry experience and a 40% rate tax payer. The fact that i do not waste time spell checking my comments for the likes of you and your dim witted freinds is neither here nor there. I suggest you worry more about your lack of ability to articulate yourself clearly and put forward a strong and erudite argument instead of your ignorant and baseless opnions, rather than worring about spelling. Whether you choose to accept the fact that many well educated and professionally succesful people also choose to live in these areas because they have grown up in these areas, been schooled, made freinds and have family, is again neither here nor there. What is well established is that many living there are owner occupiers, in sharp contrast to the many feral, deprived and workless council estates that are an utter blight to the city with mass unemployed, benefit dependant, social housing dwelling lay abouts. It is common knowledge that many of the pubs in Bradford are packed to the rafters on benefit day. And what you are, or are not jealous of is of no concern to me either- I do not spend my waking moments envying others or blaming other sfor my own failures- I prefer to set high goals for myself and strive hard to reach them. And the car I drive is none of your business but its actually a 10 year old car worth less than £3k, even though I own several properties. And your racist steretype of over crowded housing and flash cars is a well known passive aggressive stereotype of many bitter council estate dwelling chavs - and therin could be the answer to your question - how could you not be jealous - perhaps you've seen a young asian in a powerful, expensive car and its upset you a little? I remember seeing video footage of the EDL demo in Bradford with leery knuckle dragging EDL scum abusing an asian man in an expensive range rover accusing him of being a drug dealer - his reply was very articulate calm and to the point - he replied I am a successful professional that earns more than your freinds and family combined - a dignified response to dole dosssing scum. I am fairly certain my tax bill alone is more than what you earn in a year. But dont hate me or be jealous - just try and better yourself you ignorant chav. Try and communicate more articulately and I'll try not to laught at your reply. thingybob68
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9:42pm Tue 22 Jan 13

thingybob68 says...

Also, I hate Bradford, if spelling is such a major issue in your book, then try spell checking your own mistake riddled comments before making a tw@t of yourself so publicly, but I doubt you even went to school, probably not socially accepted where you live, along with going to work to earn a living.

lmfao!
Also, I hate Bradford, if spelling is such a major issue in your book, then try spell checking your own mistake riddled comments before making a tw@t of yourself so publicly, but I doubt you even went to school, probably not socially accepted where you live, along with going to work to earn a living. lmfao! thingybob68
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9:53pm Tue 22 Jan 13

Mutha.Slimer says...

thingybob68 wrote:
i hate bradford wrote:
What a lot of bigoted fools and I mean the Iftikhars, thingybob68 and the truth9211 amongst us.

If you are going to lecture others and try to act intelligent and holier than thou you really ought to go get some extra English lessons.

If you can't afford that ask your British educated kids to teach you the basics of how to spell. You are all an embarrassments to yourselves and common jokers who can not possibly be taken seriously with your disgraceful illiteracy.

You prefer slum clearance overcrowded housing and flash cars? This really says it all doesn't it.

How could we not be jealous of you all?
whats spelling got to do with being bigoted?

And I have not made any bigoted statements - unlike your ignorant statements.

Please keep your english lessons for yourself, I am a business owner providing professional services, degree educated with considerable industry experience and a 40% rate tax payer.

The fact that i do not waste time spell checking my comments for the likes of you and your dim witted freinds is neither here nor there.

I suggest you worry more about your lack of ability to articulate yourself clearly and put forward a strong and erudite argument instead of your ignorant and baseless opnions, rather than worring about spelling.

Whether you choose to accept the fact that many well educated and professionally succesful people also choose to live in these areas because they have grown up in these areas, been schooled, made freinds and have family, is again neither here nor there.

What is well established is that many living there are owner occupiers, in sharp contrast to the many feral, deprived and workless council estates that are an utter blight to the city with mass unemployed, benefit dependant, social housing dwelling lay abouts.

It is common knowledge that many of the pubs in Bradford are packed to the rafters on benefit day.

And what you are, or are not jealous of is of no concern to me either- I do not spend my waking moments envying others or blaming other sfor my own failures- I prefer to set high goals for myself and strive hard to reach them.

And the car I drive is none of your business but its actually a 10 year old car worth less than £3k, even though I own several properties.

And your racist steretype of over crowded housing and flash cars is a well known passive aggressive stereotype of many bitter council estate dwelling chavs - and therin could be the answer to your question - how could you not be jealous - perhaps you've seen a young asian in a powerful, expensive car and its upset you a little?

I remember seeing video footage of the EDL demo in Bradford with leery knuckle dragging EDL scum abusing an asian man in an expensive range rover accusing him of being a drug dealer - his reply was very articulate calm and to the point - he replied I am a successful professional that earns more than your freinds and family combined - a dignified response to dole dosssing scum.

I am fairly certain my tax bill alone is more than what you earn in a year.

But dont hate me or be jealous - just try and better yourself you ignorant chav.

Try and communicate more articulately and I'll try not to laught at your reply.
I think you could say that's you well and truly told IHB, well said thingybob. ..hehe
[quote][p][bold]thingybob68[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]i hate bradford[/bold] wrote: What a lot of bigoted fools and I mean the Iftikhars, thingybob68 and the truth9211 amongst us. If you are going to lecture others and try to act intelligent and holier than thou you really ought to go get some extra English lessons. If you can't afford that ask your British educated kids to teach you the basics of how to spell. You are all an embarrassments to yourselves and common jokers who can not possibly be taken seriously with your disgraceful illiteracy. You prefer slum clearance overcrowded housing and flash cars? This really says it all doesn't it. How could we not be jealous of you all?[/p][/quote]whats spelling got to do with being bigoted? And I have not made any bigoted statements - unlike your ignorant statements. Please keep your english lessons for yourself, I am a business owner providing professional services, degree educated with considerable industry experience and a 40% rate tax payer. The fact that i do not waste time spell checking my comments for the likes of you and your dim witted freinds is neither here nor there. I suggest you worry more about your lack of ability to articulate yourself clearly and put forward a strong and erudite argument instead of your ignorant and baseless opnions, rather than worring about spelling. Whether you choose to accept the fact that many well educated and professionally succesful people also choose to live in these areas because they have grown up in these areas, been schooled, made freinds and have family, is again neither here nor there. What is well established is that many living there are owner occupiers, in sharp contrast to the many feral, deprived and workless council estates that are an utter blight to the city with mass unemployed, benefit dependant, social housing dwelling lay abouts. It is common knowledge that many of the pubs in Bradford are packed to the rafters on benefit day. And what you are, or are not jealous of is of no concern to me either- I do not spend my waking moments envying others or blaming other sfor my own failures- I prefer to set high goals for myself and strive hard to reach them. And the car I drive is none of your business but its actually a 10 year old car worth less than £3k, even though I own several properties. And your racist steretype of over crowded housing and flash cars is a well known passive aggressive stereotype of many bitter council estate dwelling chavs - and therin could be the answer to your question - how could you not be jealous - perhaps you've seen a young asian in a powerful, expensive car and its upset you a little? I remember seeing video footage of the EDL demo in Bradford with leery knuckle dragging EDL scum abusing an asian man in an expensive range rover accusing him of being a drug dealer - his reply was very articulate calm and to the point - he replied I am a successful professional that earns more than your freinds and family combined - a dignified response to dole dosssing scum. I am fairly certain my tax bill alone is more than what you earn in a year. But dont hate me or be jealous - just try and better yourself you ignorant chav. Try and communicate more articulately and I'll try not to laught at your reply.[/p][/quote]I think you could say that's you well and truly told IHB, well said thingybob. ..hehe Mutha.Slimer
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9:58pm Tue 22 Jan 13

6teddies says...

If we were in the same situation would we not do the same to survive? This happens all over the world not just here
If we were in the same situation would we not do the same to survive? This happens all over the world not just here 6teddies
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2:35am Wed 23 Jan 13

GlobalSingh says...

We MUST stop at all cost immigrants who think UK is fine to deal in narcotics, torture,murder,rape and pillage just like 'back home' and that 'machismo' can make them do anything ILLEGAL,WRONG,PERVER
SE & EVIL, just because they've done it for centuries & they get a buzz from it (until they are caught) and it's a 'MAN' or 'HONOUR' thing...Well it's NOT and all of a sudden the UK Authorities are waking up!...David Cameron's recent speech had an air of authority and urgency about the threat we face.
We MUST stop at all cost immigrants who think UK is fine to deal in narcotics, torture,murder,rape and pillage just like 'back home' and that 'machismo' can make them do anything ILLEGAL,WRONG,PERVER SE & EVIL, just because they've done it for centuries & they get a buzz from it (until they are caught) and it's a 'MAN' or 'HONOUR' thing...Well it's NOT and all of a sudden the UK Authorities are waking up!...David Cameron's recent speech had an air of authority and urgency about the threat we face. GlobalSingh
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2:36am Wed 23 Jan 13

GlobalSingh says...

We MUST stop at all cost immigrants who think UK is fine to deal in narcotics, torture,murder,rape and pillage just like 'back home' and that 'machismo' can make them do anything ILLEGAL,WRONG,PERVER
SE & EVIL, just because they've done it for centuries & they get a buzz from it (until they are caught) and it's a 'MAN' or 'HONOUR' thing...Well it's NOT and all of a sudden the UK Authorities are waking up!...David Cameron's recent speech had an air of authority and urgency about the threat we face.
We MUST stop at all cost immigrants who think UK is fine to deal in narcotics, torture,murder,rape and pillage just like 'back home' and that 'machismo' can make them do anything ILLEGAL,WRONG,PERVER SE & EVIL, just because they've done it for centuries & they get a buzz from it (until they are caught) and it's a 'MAN' or 'HONOUR' thing...Well it's NOT and all of a sudden the UK Authorities are waking up!...David Cameron's recent speech had an air of authority and urgency about the threat we face. GlobalSingh
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9:13am Wed 23 Jan 13

thingybob68 says...

GlobalSingh wrote:
We MUST stop at all cost immigrants who think UK is fine to deal in narcotics, torture,murder,rape and pillage just like 'back home' and that 'machismo' can make them do anything ILLEGAL,WRONG,PERVER

SE & EVIL, just because they've done it for centuries & they get a buzz from it (until they are caught) and it's a 'MAN' or 'HONOUR' thing...Well it's NOT and all of a sudden the UK Authorities are waking up!...David Cameron's recent speech had an air of authority and urgency about the threat we face.
Mr Singh, I dont think it is helpful to bring up Englands many centuries habit of "deal in narcotics, torture,murder,rape and pillage".

It happened, lets just leave it at that and put the past behind us and move on.

Though I can understand your anger, being Indian and all.
[quote][p][bold]GlobalSingh[/bold] wrote: We MUST stop at all cost immigrants who think UK is fine to deal in narcotics, torture,murder,rape and pillage just like 'back home' and that 'machismo' can make them do anything ILLEGAL,WRONG,PERVER SE & EVIL, just because they've done it for centuries & they get a buzz from it (until they are caught) and it's a 'MAN' or 'HONOUR' thing...Well it's NOT and all of a sudden the UK Authorities are waking up!...David Cameron's recent speech had an air of authority and urgency about the threat we face.[/p][/quote]Mr Singh, I dont think it is helpful to bring up Englands many centuries habit of "deal in narcotics, torture,murder,rape and pillage". It happened, lets just leave it at that and put the past behind us and move on. Though I can understand your anger, being Indian and all. thingybob68
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9:30am Wed 23 Jan 13

i hate bradford says...

thingybob68 wrote:
i hate bradford wrote:
What a lot of bigoted fools and I mean the Iftikhars, thingybob68 and the truth9211 amongst us.

If you are going to lecture others and try to act intelligent and holier than thou you really ought to go get some extra English lessons.

If you can't afford that ask your British educated kids to teach you the basics of how to spell. You are all an embarrassments to yourselves and common jokers who can not possibly be taken seriously with your disgraceful illiteracy.

You prefer slum clearance overcrowded housing and flash cars? This really says it all doesn't it.

How could we not be jealous of you all?
whats spelling got to do with being bigoted?

And I have not made any bigoted statements - unlike your ignorant statements.

Please keep your english lessons for yourself, I am a business owner providing professional services, degree educated with considerable industry experience and a 40% rate tax payer.

The fact that i do not waste time spell checking my comments for the likes of you and your dim witted freinds is neither here nor there.

I suggest you worry more about your lack of ability to articulate yourself clearly and put forward a strong and erudite argument instead of your ignorant and baseless opnions, rather than worring about spelling.

Whether you choose to accept the fact that many well educated and professionally succesful people also choose to live in these areas because they have grown up in these areas, been schooled, made freinds and have family, is again neither here nor there.

What is well established is that many living there are owner occupiers, in sharp contrast to the many feral, deprived and workless council estates that are an utter blight to the city with mass unemployed, benefit dependant, social housing dwelling lay abouts.

It is common knowledge that many of the pubs in Bradford are packed to the rafters on benefit day.

And what you are, or are not jealous of is of no concern to me either- I do not spend my waking moments envying others or blaming other sfor my own failures- I prefer to set high goals for myself and strive hard to reach them.

And the car I drive is none of your business but its actually a 10 year old car worth less than £3k, even though I own several properties.

And your racist steretype of over crowded housing and flash cars is a well known passive aggressive stereotype of many bitter council estate dwelling chavs - and therin could be the answer to your question - how could you not be jealous - perhaps you've seen a young asian in a powerful, expensive car and its upset you a little?

I remember seeing video footage of the EDL demo in Bradford with leery knuckle dragging EDL scum abusing an asian man in an expensive range rover accusing him of being a drug dealer - his reply was very articulate calm and to the point - he replied I am a successful professional that earns more than your freinds and family combined - a dignified response to dole dosssing scum.

I am fairly certain my tax bill alone is more than what you earn in a year.

But dont hate me or be jealous - just try and better yourself you ignorant chav.

Try and communicate more articulately and I'll try not to laught at your reply.
Thank you Elizabeth and co for totally proving ALL of the points I made about you and your bigoted opinions.

You do know that there are far more privately owned homes than council properties lived in by English people?

Not to worry you stick to YOUR bigoted stereotypes (I made non) of white people while I sit and giggle at your very low markers of success.

I wouldn't know about pubs or benefit days as I am far too busy working. Obviously you aren't are you seeing as you are so busy observing others in these pubs on benefit days or are you just spouting more bigoted rubbish and hearsay?

What has the EDL got to do with me accusing you three of having bigoted views. I know no one in the EDL nor do I wish to.

Doesn't take much to bring your real agendas to the surface does it?
[quote][p][bold]thingybob68[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]i hate bradford[/bold] wrote: What a lot of bigoted fools and I mean the Iftikhars, thingybob68 and the truth9211 amongst us. If you are going to lecture others and try to act intelligent and holier than thou you really ought to go get some extra English lessons. If you can't afford that ask your British educated kids to teach you the basics of how to spell. You are all an embarrassments to yourselves and common jokers who can not possibly be taken seriously with your disgraceful illiteracy. You prefer slum clearance overcrowded housing and flash cars? This really says it all doesn't it. How could we not be jealous of you all?[/p][/quote]whats spelling got to do with being bigoted? And I have not made any bigoted statements - unlike your ignorant statements. Please keep your english lessons for yourself, I am a business owner providing professional services, degree educated with considerable industry experience and a 40% rate tax payer. The fact that i do not waste time spell checking my comments for the likes of you and your dim witted freinds is neither here nor there. I suggest you worry more about your lack of ability to articulate yourself clearly and put forward a strong and erudite argument instead of your ignorant and baseless opnions, rather than worring about spelling. Whether you choose to accept the fact that many well educated and professionally succesful people also choose to live in these areas because they have grown up in these areas, been schooled, made freinds and have family, is again neither here nor there. What is well established is that many living there are owner occupiers, in sharp contrast to the many feral, deprived and workless council estates that are an utter blight to the city with mass unemployed, benefit dependant, social housing dwelling lay abouts. It is common knowledge that many of the pubs in Bradford are packed to the rafters on benefit day. And what you are, or are not jealous of is of no concern to me either- I do not spend my waking moments envying others or blaming other sfor my own failures- I prefer to set high goals for myself and strive hard to reach them. And the car I drive is none of your business but its actually a 10 year old car worth less than £3k, even though I own several properties. And your racist steretype of over crowded housing and flash cars is a well known passive aggressive stereotype of many bitter council estate dwelling chavs - and therin could be the answer to your question - how could you not be jealous - perhaps you've seen a young asian in a powerful, expensive car and its upset you a little? I remember seeing video footage of the EDL demo in Bradford with leery knuckle dragging EDL scum abusing an asian man in an expensive range rover accusing him of being a drug dealer - his reply was very articulate calm and to the point - he replied I am a successful professional that earns more than your freinds and family combined - a dignified response to dole dosssing scum. I am fairly certain my tax bill alone is more than what you earn in a year. But dont hate me or be jealous - just try and better yourself you ignorant chav. Try and communicate more articulately and I'll try not to laught at your reply.[/p][/quote]Thank you Elizabeth and co for totally proving ALL of the points I made about you and your bigoted opinions. You do know that there are far more privately owned homes than council properties lived in by English people? Not to worry you stick to YOUR bigoted stereotypes (I made non) of white people while I sit and giggle at your very low markers of success. I wouldn't know about pubs or benefit days as I am far too busy working. Obviously you aren't are you seeing as you are so busy observing others in these pubs on benefit days or are you just spouting more bigoted rubbish and hearsay? What has the EDL got to do with me accusing you three of having bigoted views. I know no one in the EDL nor do I wish to. Doesn't take much to bring your real agendas to the surface does it? i hate bradford
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10:03am Wed 23 Jan 13

thingybob68 says...

Yes I did actually, I am English and I live in my own home also.

However in many parts of Bradford like holmewood, ravo, buttershaw, queensbury, windhill, clayton, idle, greengates etc - a large number live in council housing as opposed to owner occupiers - a reverse trend in many other areas like great horton, heaton, manningham, even west bowling.

Not sure why that is but that has been the observation and that of a BBC report.

"About 20% of Bradford's population is made up of people from minority ethnic groups, the majority of whom are of Asian origin.

But just 2% of council tenants are from the Asian communities. "

Did you read tha right, just 2% of asians in Bradford live in social housing, even though they are 20% or so of the bradford population.

http://news.bbc.co.u
k/1/hi/uk/1396240.st
m
Yes I did actually, I am English and I live in my own home also. However in many parts of Bradford like holmewood, ravo, buttershaw, queensbury, windhill, clayton, idle, greengates etc - a large number live in council housing as opposed to owner occupiers - a reverse trend in many other areas like great horton, heaton, manningham, even west bowling. Not sure why that is but that has been the observation and that of a BBC report. "About 20% of Bradford's population is made up of people from minority ethnic groups, the majority of whom are of Asian origin. But just 2% of council tenants are from the Asian communities. " Did you read tha right, just 2% of asians in Bradford live in social housing, even though they are 20% or so of the bradford population. http://news.bbc.co.u k/1/hi/uk/1396240.st m thingybob68
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10:47am Wed 23 Jan 13

Andy2010 says...

thingybob68 wrote:
Yes I did actually, I am English and I live in my own home also.

However in many parts of Bradford like holmewood, ravo, buttershaw, queensbury, windhill, clayton, idle, greengates etc - a large number live in council housing as opposed to owner occupiers - a reverse trend in many other areas like great horton, heaton, manningham, even west bowling.

Not sure why that is but that has been the observation and that of a BBC report.

"About 20% of Bradford's population is made up of people from minority ethnic groups, the majority of whom are of Asian origin.

But just 2% of council tenants are from the Asian communities. "

Did you read tha right, just 2% of asians in Bradford live in social housing, even though they are 20% or so of the bradford population.

http://news.bbc.co.u

k/1/hi/uk/1396240.st

m
jeez you like believing things on the internet you read dont ya

What you dont seem to mention is about 60% of houses in "asian" areas are owned by landlords and rented back to family and friends etc with the tax payer picking up the bill through housing benefit. yes they arent included in these figures but dont let that bother you

I would scour the internet and post a link as that clearly is something that impresses you but to be honest cant be bothered. Having lived in Bradford all my life and observed the decline in areas such as Manningham, Great Horton etc etc I dont need pointless news articles to see whats right in front of my own eyes

Seen as you also like links care to comment on the recent stories ive linked below all apparently carried out by the asians?

http://www.thetelegr
aphandargus.co.uk/ne
ws/10178025.Court_to
ld_men_raped_young_g
irls_they_plied_with
_drink/

http://www.thetelegr
aphandargus.co.uk/ne
ws/10175812.Pair_jai
led_after_officers_f
ound_1_500_wraps_dur
ing_raid_on_Girlingt
on_house/?ref=ms

http://www.thetelegr
aphandargus.co.uk/ne
ws/10173877._More_th
an_200_raids_in_Brad
ford_carried_out_by_
UK_Border_Agency_/?r
ef=mc

http://www.thetelegr
aphandargus.co.uk/ne
ws/10176258.Updated_
_Man_appears_in_cour
t_charged_with_murde
r_of_Keighley_four_y
ear_old/?ref=mr

http://www.thetelegr
aphandargus.co.uk/ne
ws/10175808.___Drunk
en_woman_was_raped_i
n_Keighley_park___/?
ref=mr

Can you perhaps understand why an impression is formed?
[quote][p][bold]thingybob68[/bold] wrote: Yes I did actually, I am English and I live in my own home also. However in many parts of Bradford like holmewood, ravo, buttershaw, queensbury, windhill, clayton, idle, greengates etc - a large number live in council housing as opposed to owner occupiers - a reverse trend in many other areas like great horton, heaton, manningham, even west bowling. Not sure why that is but that has been the observation and that of a BBC report. "About 20% of Bradford's population is made up of people from minority ethnic groups, the majority of whom are of Asian origin. But just 2% of council tenants are from the Asian communities. " Did you read tha right, just 2% of asians in Bradford live in social housing, even though they are 20% or so of the bradford population. http://news.bbc.co.u k/1/hi/uk/1396240.st m[/p][/quote]jeez you like believing things on the internet you read dont ya What you dont seem to mention is about 60% of houses in "asian" areas are owned by landlords and rented back to family and friends etc with the tax payer picking up the bill through housing benefit. yes they arent included in these figures but dont let that bother you I would scour the internet and post a link as that clearly is something that impresses you but to be honest cant be bothered. Having lived in Bradford all my life and observed the decline in areas such as Manningham, Great Horton etc etc I dont need pointless news articles to see whats right in front of my own eyes Seen as you also like links care to comment on the recent stories ive linked below all apparently carried out by the asians? http://www.thetelegr aphandargus.co.uk/ne ws/10178025.Court_to ld_men_raped_young_g irls_they_plied_with _drink/ http://www.thetelegr aphandargus.co.uk/ne ws/10175812.Pair_jai led_after_officers_f ound_1_500_wraps_dur ing_raid_on_Girlingt on_house/?ref=ms http://www.thetelegr aphandargus.co.uk/ne ws/10173877._More_th an_200_raids_in_Brad ford_carried_out_by_ UK_Border_Agency_/?r ef=mc http://www.thetelegr aphandargus.co.uk/ne ws/10176258.Updated_ _Man_appears_in_cour t_charged_with_murde r_of_Keighley_four_y ear_old/?ref=mr http://www.thetelegr aphandargus.co.uk/ne ws/10175808.___Drunk en_woman_was_raped_i n_Keighley_park___/? ref=mr Can you perhaps understand why an impression is formed? Andy2010
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11:11am Wed 23 Jan 13

SinnerSaint says...

A BBC story from 2001? How desperate are you? LOL! Of course Bradford hasn't changed much in the past 12 years, has it?

I see you're still using what you've previously referred to as the Islamophobic media to support your arguments. What you're saying is that only items in the media that show Islam or Muslims in a good light are true. What a hypocrite!
A BBC story from 2001? How desperate are you? LOL! Of course Bradford hasn't changed much in the past 12 years, has it? I see you're still using what you've previously referred to as the Islamophobic media to support your arguments. What you're saying is that only items in the media that show Islam or Muslims in a good light are true. What a hypocrite! SinnerSaint
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11:22am Wed 23 Jan 13

AHS says...

Bone_idle18 wrote:
A lot of these people will be exploited and paid a pittance. I doubt they lead the life they envisaged in the UK.
Good then they will be willing to go home.
[quote][p][bold]Bone_idle18[/bold] wrote: A lot of these people will be exploited and paid a pittance. I doubt they lead the life they envisaged in the UK.[/p][/quote]Good then they will be willing to go home. AHS
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11:26am Wed 23 Jan 13

AHS says...

Not so simple wrote:
The places that employ or hide these illegals should be named and shamed. It's about time the people knew which businesses were fair and support the country and which were unfair by undercutting its competition unfairly.

Then again there are EU directives which state that we UK employers can bring in EU workers and pay them the rates of the home state they came from. For example I Beleive that some of the companies used to build the Trafford centre and Meadowhall employed "legalised cheap labour and paid less wages ( compared with UK minimum wages and this was done legally).

Again double standards. Punish the poor guy who gets into the UK to support his family and works his way out. Then let off and encourage big business to bring in legalised aliens for do our jobs cheaply. Remeber the fiasco of an oil refinery where all cheap European labour worked? Maybe we've forgotten as it was over two years ago!
It didn't just happen on the Trafford Centre, The Olympics was 93% shipped in labour. And alot of the forcewas illegal and run by Russian/Turkish Mafia, as well asorganised criminals from abroad.
[quote][p][bold]Not so simple[/bold] wrote: The places that employ or hide these illegals should be named and shamed. It's about time the people knew which businesses were fair and support the country and which were unfair by undercutting its competition unfairly. Then again there are EU directives which state that we UK employers can bring in EU workers and pay them the rates of the home state they came from. For example I Beleive that some of the companies used to build the Trafford centre and Meadowhall employed "legalised cheap labour and paid less wages ( compared with UK minimum wages and this was done legally). Again double standards. Punish the poor guy who gets into the UK to support his family and works his way out. Then let off and encourage big business to bring in legalised aliens for do our jobs cheaply. Remeber the fiasco of an oil refinery where all cheap European labour worked? Maybe we've forgotten as it was over two years ago![/p][/quote]It didn't just happen on the Trafford Centre, The Olympics was 93% shipped in labour. And alot of the forcewas illegal and run by Russian/Turkish Mafia, as well asorganised criminals from abroad. AHS
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11:36am Wed 23 Jan 13

thingybob68 says...

SinnerSaint wrote:
A BBC story from 2001? How desperate are you? LOL! Of course Bradford hasn't changed much in the past 12 years, has it?

I see you're still using what you've previously referred to as the Islamophobic media to support your arguments. What you're saying is that only items in the media that show Islam or Muslims in a good light are true. What a hypocrite!
Oh i see, you think Bradford has become less segregated since 2001?

Now who's kidding themselves.

What a liar!
[quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: A BBC story from 2001? How desperate are you? LOL! Of course Bradford hasn't changed much in the past 12 years, has it? I see you're still using what you've previously referred to as the Islamophobic media to support your arguments. What you're saying is that only items in the media that show Islam or Muslims in a good light are true. What a hypocrite![/p][/quote]Oh i see, you think Bradford has become less segregated since 2001? Now who's kidding themselves. What a liar! thingybob68
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11:43am Wed 23 Jan 13

SinnerSaint says...

Wow! The second time you've called me a liar. I'm wounded!

Here's a report from last year that validates the previous statement I made that you called a lie. I don't have to desperately trawl through articles going back decades to support my arguments LOL!!

http://www.parliamen
t.uk/Templates/Brief
ingPapers/Pages/BPPd
fDownload.aspx?bp-id
=sn04334

It clearly says 12.5 percent.

An apology would be nice LOL!
Wow! The second time you've called me a liar. I'm wounded! Here's a report from last year that validates the previous statement I made that you called a lie. I don't have to desperately trawl through articles going back decades to support my arguments LOL!! http://www.parliamen t.uk/Templates/Brief ingPapers/Pages/BPPd fDownload.aspx?bp-id =sn04334 It clearly says 12.5 percent. An apology would be nice LOL! SinnerSaint
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12:09pm Wed 23 Jan 13

thingybob68 says...

The report shows statistics of ethnicity of prisoners held in uk jails as follows;

white - 74.3%

asian - 7.4%

black - 13.4%

HOWEVER when referring to prisoners by faith, it cites the 12% statistic as being from "Offender Management Caseload Statistics 2011" which suggets it is not a compete study but one based on sampling ie caseload.

But with regards to any over representation of asians and blacks I refer you back to the Gaurdian study of 1 million court cases.

.
The study, carried out by the Guardian, found black offenders were 44% more likely than white offenders to be sentenced to prison for driving offences.


Asian offenders were 41% more likely to be sent to prison for drugs offences than their white counterparts

http://www.guardian.
co.uk/law/2011/nov/2
5/ethnic-variations-
jail-sentences-study



Let me reiterate, this is comparing sentencing for like for like crimes, so according to this analysis an asian is 41% more likley to go to prison than a white person for the same drugs offence.
.
So no apology from me, the degree to which asians and muslims amy be over represented qwould be the same as blacks per general poulation.

And my explanation for that would be as per the gaurdian study - as opposed to your ignorant inference that it is down to a greater perpensity to criminality - which is quite ignorant and bigotted - even though the study suggests discrimination in sentencing.

So no apology from me Mr Bigot.
The report shows statistics of ethnicity of prisoners held in uk jails as follows; white - 74.3% asian - 7.4% black - 13.4% HOWEVER when referring to prisoners by faith, it cites the 12% statistic as being from "Offender Management Caseload Statistics 2011" which suggets it is not a compete study but one based on sampling ie caseload. But with regards to any over representation of asians and blacks I refer you back to the Gaurdian study of 1 million court cases. . The study, carried out by the Guardian, found black offenders were 44% more likely than white offenders to be sentenced to prison for driving offences. Asian offenders were 41% more likely to be sent to prison for drugs offences than their white counterparts http://www.guardian. co.uk/law/2011/nov/2 5/ethnic-variations- jail-sentences-study Let me reiterate, this is comparing sentencing for like for like crimes, so according to this analysis an asian is 41% more likley to go to prison than a white person for the same drugs offence. . So no apology from me, the degree to which asians and muslims amy be over represented qwould be the same as blacks per general poulation. And my explanation for that would be as per the gaurdian study - as opposed to your ignorant inference that it is down to a greater perpensity to criminality - which is quite ignorant and bigotted - even though the study suggests discrimination in sentencing. So no apology from me Mr Bigot. thingybob68
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12:17pm Wed 23 Jan 13

SinnerSaint says...

It's so amusing that you think everybody and every institution is racist!

I said 12.5 percent of prison inmates were Muslim, you called me a liar. I give you proof, you change the argument's goalposts! Genius!

Andy and I give you recent articles, you drag out ones that are decades old and start talking about Churchill LOL!

You bring news articles, we bring news articles but only yours can be believed because the media is unreliable and "zenophobic". It's Xenophobic by the way.

I'd give up now before you make even more of a fool of yourself LOL.
It's so amusing that you think everybody and every institution is racist! I said 12.5 percent of prison inmates were Muslim, you called me a liar. I give you proof, you change the argument's goalposts! Genius! Andy and I give you recent articles, you drag out ones that are decades old and start talking about Churchill LOL! You bring news articles, we bring news articles but only yours can be believed because the media is unreliable and "zenophobic". It's Xenophobic by the way. I'd give up now before you make even more of a fool of yourself LOL. SinnerSaint
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12:31pm Wed 23 Jan 13

Andy2010 says...

Why is it where figures or statistics are concerned with regard to the above its racist?

and saying Asians are 41% more likely to get a sentence based on the colour is quite frankly ridiculous
Why is it where figures or statistics are concerned with regard to the above its racist? and saying Asians are 41% more likely to get a sentence based on the colour is quite frankly ridiculous Andy2010
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12:31pm Wed 23 Jan 13

thingybob68 says...

Oh and by the way, as you will see from the report you cited, Asians are 5.5% of the general population and 7.4% of the prison population.
Black people are 2.7% of the general population but 13.4% of the prison population.

Given the guardian study - one can see why blacks and Asians are therefore, so over represented in prisons compared with the general population.
Oh and by the way, as you will see from the report you cited, Asians are 5.5% of the general population and 7.4% of the prison population. Black people are 2.7% of the general population but 13.4% of the prison population. Given the guardian study - one can see why blacks and Asians are therefore, so over represented in prisons compared with the general population. thingybob68
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12:42pm Wed 23 Jan 13

SinnerSaint says...

Isn't it interesting though that the percentages of Hindu and Sikh inmates is identical to their representation within the total UK population?

Lumping Muslims in with Hindus and Sikhs may well suit your agenda because it massages the figures to favour your argument. But I can tell you the Hindus and Sikhs don't want that.

I was listening to a debate on Sunrise radio a few months back. The Hindus and Sikhs were furious about the grooming, sexual assault and trafficking of young girls being tagged as a problem within the Asian community. They were right in saying it's not a problem within the "Asian Community" is it? It's a problem within the Pakistani community.

Anyhow, I'm bored with this. Good luck coping with your delusion and denial.
Isn't it interesting though that the percentages of Hindu and Sikh inmates is identical to their representation within the total UK population? Lumping Muslims in with Hindus and Sikhs may well suit your agenda because it massages the figures to favour your argument. But I can tell you the Hindus and Sikhs don't want that. I was listening to a debate on Sunrise radio a few months back. The Hindus and Sikhs were furious about the grooming, sexual assault and trafficking of young girls being tagged as a problem within the Asian community. They were right in saying it's not a problem within the "Asian Community" is it? It's a problem within the Pakistani community. Anyhow, I'm bored with this. Good luck coping with your delusion and denial. SinnerSaint
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12:49pm Wed 23 Jan 13

thingybob68 says...

Andy2010 wrote:
thingybob68 wrote:
Yes I did actually, I am English and I live in my own home also.

However in many parts of Bradford like holmewood, ravo, buttershaw, queensbury, windhill, clayton, idle, greengates etc - a large number live in council housing as opposed to owner occupiers - a reverse trend in many other areas like great horton, heaton, manningham, even west bowling.

Not sure why that is but that has been the observation and that of a BBC report.

"About 20% of Bradford's population is made up of people from minority ethnic groups, the majority of whom are of Asian origin.

But just 2% of council tenants are from the Asian communities. "

Did you read tha right, just 2% of asians in Bradford live in social housing, even though they are 20% or so of the bradford population.

http://news.bbc.co.u


k/1/hi/uk/1396240.st


m
jeez you like believing things on the internet you read dont ya

What you dont seem to mention is about 60% of houses in "asian" areas are owned by landlords and rented back to family and friends etc with the tax payer picking up the bill through housing benefit. yes they arent included in these figures but dont let that bother you

I would scour the internet and post a link as that clearly is something that impresses you but to be honest cant be bothered. Having lived in Bradford all my life and observed the decline in areas such as Manningham, Great Horton etc etc I dont need pointless news articles to see whats right in front of my own eyes

Seen as you also like links care to comment on the recent stories ive linked below all apparently carried out by the asians?

http://www.thetelegr

aphandargus.co.uk/ne

ws/10178025.Court_to

ld_men_raped_young_g

irls_they_plied_with

_drink/

http://www.thetelegr

aphandargus.co.uk/ne

ws/10175812.Pair_jai

led_after_officers_f

ound_1_500_wraps_dur

ing_raid_on_Girlingt

on_house/?ref=ms

http://www.thetelegr

aphandargus.co.uk/ne

ws/10173877._More_th

an_200_raids_in_Brad

ford_carried_out_by_

UK_Border_Agency_/?r

ef=mc

http://www.thetelegr

aphandargus.co.uk/ne

ws/10176258.Updated_

_Man_appears_in_cour

t_charged_with_murde

r_of_Keighley_four_y

ear_old/?ref=mr

http://www.thetelegr

aphandargus.co.uk/ne

ws/10175808.___Drunk

en_woman_was_raped_i

n_Keighley_park___/?

ref=mr

Can you perhaps understand why an impression is formed?
YOu really shouldnt make baseless allegations and then withdraw from posting a link - its not that you cant be bothered - truth is you cant find the links because they dont exists - go ahead and share your credible links to backup your serious allegations.

And as for your "selective" stories, they all seem to only feature asian offenders - which says more about you and your agenda than anything else.

All the serial killers in bradford have so far been white - should that form an impression?

With our very own Peter Sutcliffe from heaton in the top 3 of the worst serial killers in England with 13 confirmed kills.
[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thingybob68[/bold] wrote: Yes I did actually, I am English and I live in my own home also. However in many parts of Bradford like holmewood, ravo, buttershaw, queensbury, windhill, clayton, idle, greengates etc - a large number live in council housing as opposed to owner occupiers - a reverse trend in many other areas like great horton, heaton, manningham, even west bowling. Not sure why that is but that has been the observation and that of a BBC report. "About 20% of Bradford's population is made up of people from minority ethnic groups, the majority of whom are of Asian origin. But just 2% of council tenants are from the Asian communities. " Did you read tha right, just 2% of asians in Bradford live in social housing, even though they are 20% or so of the bradford population. http://news.bbc.co.u k/1/hi/uk/1396240.st m[/p][/quote]jeez you like believing things on the internet you read dont ya What you dont seem to mention is about 60% of houses in "asian" areas are owned by landlords and rented back to family and friends etc with the tax payer picking up the bill through housing benefit. yes they arent included in these figures but dont let that bother you I would scour the internet and post a link as that clearly is something that impresses you but to be honest cant be bothered. Having lived in Bradford all my life and observed the decline in areas such as Manningham, Great Horton etc etc I dont need pointless news articles to see whats right in front of my own eyes Seen as you also like links care to comment on the recent stories ive linked below all apparently carried out by the asians? http://www.thetelegr aphandargus.co.uk/ne ws/10178025.Court_to ld_men_raped_young_g irls_they_plied_with _drink/ http://www.thetelegr aphandargus.co.uk/ne ws/10175812.Pair_jai led_after_officers_f ound_1_500_wraps_dur ing_raid_on_Girlingt on_house/?ref=ms http://www.thetelegr aphandargus.co.uk/ne ws/10173877._More_th an_200_raids_in_Brad ford_carried_out_by_ UK_Border_Agency_/?r ef=mc http://www.thetelegr aphandargus.co.uk/ne ws/10176258.Updated_ _Man_appears_in_cour t_charged_with_murde r_of_Keighley_four_y ear_old/?ref=mr http://www.thetelegr aphandargus.co.uk/ne ws/10175808.___Drunk en_woman_was_raped_i n_Keighley_park___/? ref=mr Can you perhaps understand why an impression is formed?[/p][/quote]YOu really shouldnt make baseless allegations and then withdraw from posting a link - its not that you cant be bothered - truth is you cant find the links because they dont exists - go ahead and share your credible links to backup your serious allegations. And as for your "selective" stories, they all seem to only feature asian offenders - which says more about you and your agenda than anything else. All the serial killers in bradford have so far been white - should that form an impression? With our very own Peter Sutcliffe from heaton in the top 3 of the worst serial killers in England with 13 confirmed kills. thingybob68
  • Score: 0

1:05pm Wed 23 Jan 13

thingybob68 says...

SinnerSaint wrote:
Isn't it interesting though that the percentages of Hindu and Sikh inmates is identical to their representation within the total UK population?

Lumping Muslims in with Hindus and Sikhs may well suit your agenda because it massages the figures to favour your argument. But I can tell you the Hindus and Sikhs don't want that.

I was listening to a debate on Sunrise radio a few months back. The Hindus and Sikhs were furious about the grooming, sexual assault and trafficking of young girls being tagged as a problem within the Asian community. They were right in saying it's not a problem within the "Asian Community" is it? It's a problem within the Pakistani community.

Anyhow, I'm bored with this. Good luck coping with your delusion and denial.
But if you take hindus and sikhs from the "asian" pool of 7.4% (0.5% and 0.8% respectively, 1,3% in total) then what remains in the asian pool, (presumed to be Pakistanis) is 6.1% vs the general british pakistani population of 4% approx which is still only a modest increase vs the general population.

And since we know you do use "muslim" as code for pakistanis, its not as big a difference as you were hoping for is it, to make your little bigoted inferences - so i can understand youre need to run away, bye bye then.

You can share your theories on the other largest non white groups such as blacks if you like.

lmfao!
[quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: Isn't it interesting though that the percentages of Hindu and Sikh inmates is identical to their representation within the total UK population? Lumping Muslims in with Hindus and Sikhs may well suit your agenda because it massages the figures to favour your argument. But I can tell you the Hindus and Sikhs don't want that. I was listening to a debate on Sunrise radio a few months back. The Hindus and Sikhs were furious about the grooming, sexual assault and trafficking of young girls being tagged as a problem within the Asian community. They were right in saying it's not a problem within the "Asian Community" is it? It's a problem within the Pakistani community. Anyhow, I'm bored with this. Good luck coping with your delusion and denial.[/p][/quote]But if you take hindus and sikhs from the "asian" pool of 7.4% (0.5% and 0.8% respectively, 1,3% in total) then what remains in the asian pool, (presumed to be Pakistanis) is 6.1% vs the general british pakistani population of 4% approx which is still only a modest increase vs the general population. And since we know you do use "muslim" as code for pakistanis, its not as big a difference as you were hoping for is it, to make your little bigoted inferences - so i can understand youre need to run away, bye bye then. You can share your theories on the other largest non white groups such as blacks if you like. lmfao! thingybob68
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1:20pm Wed 23 Jan 13

Andy2010 says...

thingybob68 wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
thingybob68 wrote:
Yes I did actually, I am English and I live in my own home also.

However in many parts of Bradford like holmewood, ravo, buttershaw, queensbury, windhill, clayton, idle, greengates etc - a large number live in council housing as opposed to owner occupiers - a reverse trend in many other areas like great horton, heaton, manningham, even west bowling.

Not sure why that is but that has been the observation and that of a BBC report.

"About 20% of Bradford's population is made up of people from minority ethnic groups, the majority of whom are of Asian origin.

But just 2% of council tenants are from the Asian communities. "

Did you read tha right, just 2% of asians in Bradford live in social housing, even though they are 20% or so of the bradford population.

http://news.bbc.co.u



k/1/hi/uk/1396240.st



m
jeez you like believing things on the internet you read dont ya

What you dont seem to mention is about 60% of houses in "asian" areas are owned by landlords and rented back to family and friends etc with the tax payer picking up the bill through housing benefit. yes they arent included in these figures but dont let that bother you

I would scour the internet and post a link as that clearly is something that impresses you but to be honest cant be bothered. Having lived in Bradford all my life and observed the decline in areas such as Manningham, Great Horton etc etc I dont need pointless news articles to see whats right in front of my own eyes

Seen as you also like links care to comment on the recent stories ive linked below all apparently carried out by the asians?

http://www.thetelegr


aphandargus.co.uk/ne


ws/10178025.Court_to


ld_men_raped_young_g


irls_they_plied_with


_drink/

http://www.thetelegr


aphandargus.co.uk/ne


ws/10175812.Pair_jai


led_after_officers_f


ound_1_500_wraps_dur


ing_raid_on_Girlingt


on_house/?ref=ms

http://www.thetelegr


aphandargus.co.uk/ne


ws/10173877._More_th


an_200_raids_in_Brad


ford_carried_out_by_


UK_Border_Agency_/?r


ef=mc

http://www.thetelegr


aphandargus.co.uk/ne


ws/10176258.Updated_


_Man_appears_in_cour


t_charged_with_murde


r_of_Keighley_four_y


ear_old/?ref=mr

http://www.thetelegr


aphandargus.co.uk/ne


ws/10175808.___Drunk


en_woman_was_raped_i


n_Keighley_park___/?


ref=mr

Can you perhaps understand why an impression is formed?
YOu really shouldnt make baseless allegations and then withdraw from posting a link - its not that you cant be bothered - truth is you cant find the links because they dont exists - go ahead and share your credible links to backup your serious allegations.

And as for your "selective" stories, they all seem to only feature asian offenders - which says more about you and your agenda than anything else.

All the serial killers in bradford have so far been white - should that form an impression?

With our very own Peter Sutcliffe from heaton in the top 3 of the worst serial killers in England with 13 confirmed kills.
Sorry but I see no mention on the T&A website of Peter Sutcliffe this week.

Those stories I posted as I stated couldnt be bothered trawling the net are simply the most current on this site which were easy to link. The rest of the current stories relate to Bradford city.

So seen as you like your percentages of the top 10 stories on this site 50% of them involve crime of some sort relating to Asians and 50% relate to BCFC. That by YOUR definition means that Asians conduct 100% of all crime !!

Of course this isnt true but it reflects how the "perception" is instilled through the media or "net" as you obviously like to quote "sources"
[quote][p][bold]thingybob68[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thingybob68[/bold] wrote: Yes I did actually, I am English and I live in my own home also. However in many parts of Bradford like holmewood, ravo, buttershaw, queensbury, windhill, clayton, idle, greengates etc - a large number live in council housing as opposed to owner occupiers - a reverse trend in many other areas like great horton, heaton, manningham, even west bowling. Not sure why that is but that has been the observation and that of a BBC report. "About 20% of Bradford's population is made up of people from minority ethnic groups, the majority of whom are of Asian origin. But just 2% of council tenants are from the Asian communities. " Did you read tha right, just 2% of asians in Bradford live in social housing, even though they are 20% or so of the bradford population. http://news.bbc.co.u k/1/hi/uk/1396240.st m[/p][/quote]jeez you like believing things on the internet you read dont ya What you dont seem to mention is about 60% of houses in "asian" areas are owned by landlords and rented back to family and friends etc with the tax payer picking up the bill through housing benefit. yes they arent included in these figures but dont let that bother you I would scour the internet and post a link as that clearly is something that impresses you but to be honest cant be bothered. Having lived in Bradford all my life and observed the decline in areas such as Manningham, Great Horton etc etc I dont need pointless news articles to see whats right in front of my own eyes Seen as you also like links care to comment on the recent stories ive linked below all apparently carried out by the asians? http://www.thetelegr aphandargus.co.uk/ne ws/10178025.Court_to ld_men_raped_young_g irls_they_plied_with _drink/ http://www.thetelegr aphandargus.co.uk/ne ws/10175812.Pair_jai led_after_officers_f ound_1_500_wraps_dur ing_raid_on_Girlingt on_house/?ref=ms http://www.thetelegr aphandargus.co.uk/ne ws/10173877._More_th an_200_raids_in_Brad ford_carried_out_by_ UK_Border_Agency_/?r ef=mc http://www.thetelegr aphandargus.co.uk/ne ws/10176258.Updated_ _Man_appears_in_cour t_charged_with_murde r_of_Keighley_four_y ear_old/?ref=mr http://www.thetelegr aphandargus.co.uk/ne ws/10175808.___Drunk en_woman_was_raped_i n_Keighley_park___/? ref=mr Can you perhaps understand why an impression is formed?[/p][/quote]YOu really shouldnt make baseless allegations and then withdraw from posting a link - its not that you cant be bothered - truth is you cant find the links because they dont exists - go ahead and share your credible links to backup your serious allegations. And as for your "selective" stories, they all seem to only feature asian offenders - which says more about you and your agenda than anything else. All the serial killers in bradford have so far been white - should that form an impression? With our very own Peter Sutcliffe from heaton in the top 3 of the worst serial killers in England with 13 confirmed kills.[/p][/quote]Sorry but I see no mention on the T&A website of Peter Sutcliffe this week. Those stories I posted as I stated couldnt be bothered trawling the net are simply the most current on this site which were easy to link. The rest of the current stories relate to Bradford city. So seen as you like your percentages of the top 10 stories on this site 50% of them involve crime of some sort relating to Asians and 50% relate to BCFC. That by YOUR definition means that Asians conduct 100% of all crime !! Of course this isnt true but it reflects how the "perception" is instilled through the media or "net" as you obviously like to quote "sources" Andy2010
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1:23pm Wed 23 Jan 13

Andy2010 says...

Andy2010 wrote:
thingybob68 wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
thingybob68 wrote:
Yes I did actually, I am English and I live in my own home also.

However in many parts of Bradford like holmewood, ravo, buttershaw, queensbury, windhill, clayton, idle, greengates etc - a large number live in council housing as opposed to owner occupiers - a reverse trend in many other areas like great horton, heaton, manningham, even west bowling.

Not sure why that is but that has been the observation and that of a BBC report.

"About 20% of Bradford's population is made up of people from minority ethnic groups, the majority of whom are of Asian origin.

But just 2% of council tenants are from the Asian communities. "

Did you read tha right, just 2% of asians in Bradford live in social housing, even though they are 20% or so of the bradford population.

http://news.bbc.co.u




k/1/hi/uk/1396240.st




m
jeez you like believing things on the internet you read dont ya

What you dont seem to mention is about 60% of houses in "asian" areas are owned by landlords and rented back to family and friends etc with the tax payer picking up the bill through housing benefit. yes they arent included in these figures but dont let that bother you

I would scour the internet and post a link as that clearly is something that impresses you but to be honest cant be bothered. Having lived in Bradford all my life and observed the decline in areas such as Manningham, Great Horton etc etc I dont need pointless news articles to see whats right in front of my own eyes

Seen as you also like links care to comment on the recent stories ive linked below all apparently carried out by the asians?

http://www.thetelegr



aphandargus.co.uk/ne



ws/10178025.Court_to



ld_men_raped_young_g



irls_they_plied_with



_drink/

http://www.thetelegr



aphandargus.co.uk/ne



ws/10175812.Pair_jai



led_after_officers_f



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Can you perhaps understand why an impression is formed?
YOu really shouldnt make baseless allegations and then withdraw from posting a link - its not that you cant be bothered - truth is you cant find the links because they dont exists - go ahead and share your credible links to backup your serious allegations.

And as for your "selective" stories, they all seem to only feature asian offenders - which says more about you and your agenda than anything else.

All the serial killers in bradford have so far been white - should that form an impression?

With our very own Peter Sutcliffe from heaton in the top 3 of the worst serial killers in England with 13 confirmed kills.
Sorry but I see no mention on the T&A website of Peter Sutcliffe this week.

Those stories I posted as I stated couldnt be bothered trawling the net are simply the most current on this site which were easy to link. The rest of the current stories relate to Bradford city.

So seen as you like your percentages of the top 10 stories on this site 50% of them involve crime of some sort relating to Asians and 50% relate to BCFC. That by YOUR definition means that Asians conduct 100% of all crime !!

Of course this isnt true but it reflects how the "perception" is instilled through the media or "net" as you obviously like to quote "sources"
And lets go on shall we

This guy

http://en.wikipedia.
org/wiki/Javed_Iqbal
_(serial_killer)

Puts Peter Sutcliffe in the amateur serial killer slot if we are going on historic serial killers
[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thingybob68[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thingybob68[/bold] wrote: Yes I did actually, I am English and I live in my own home also. However in many parts of Bradford like holmewood, ravo, buttershaw, queensbury, windhill, clayton, idle, greengates etc - a large number live in council housing as opposed to owner occupiers - a reverse trend in many other areas like great horton, heaton, manningham, even west bowling. Not sure why that is but that has been the observation and that of a BBC report. "About 20% of Bradford's population is made up of people from minority ethnic groups, the majority of whom are of Asian origin. But just 2% of council tenants are from the Asian communities. " Did you read tha right, just 2% of asians in Bradford live in social housing, even though they are 20% or so of the bradford population. http://news.bbc.co.u k/1/hi/uk/1396240.st m[/p][/quote]jeez you like believing things on the internet you read dont ya What you dont seem to mention is about 60% of houses in "asian" areas are owned by landlords and rented back to family and friends etc with the tax payer picking up the bill through housing benefit. yes they arent included in these figures but dont let that bother you I would scour the internet and post a link as that clearly is something that impresses you but to be honest cant be bothered. Having lived in Bradford all my life and observed the decline in areas such as Manningham, Great Horton etc etc I dont need pointless news articles to see whats right in front of my own eyes Seen as you also like links care to comment on the recent stories ive linked below all apparently carried out by the asians? http://www.thetelegr aphandargus.co.uk/ne ws/10178025.Court_to ld_men_raped_young_g irls_they_plied_with _drink/ http://www.thetelegr aphandargus.co.uk/ne ws/10175812.Pair_jai led_after_officers_f ound_1_500_wraps_dur ing_raid_on_Girlingt on_house/?ref=ms http://www.thetelegr aphandargus.co.uk/ne ws/10173877._More_th an_200_raids_in_Brad ford_carried_out_by_ UK_Border_Agency_/?r ef=mc http://www.thetelegr aphandargus.co.uk/ne ws/10176258.Updated_ _Man_appears_in_cour t_charged_with_murde r_of_Keighley_four_y ear_old/?ref=mr http://www.thetelegr aphandargus.co.uk/ne ws/10175808.___Drunk en_woman_was_raped_i n_Keighley_park___/? ref=mr Can you perhaps understand why an impression is formed?[/p][/quote]YOu really shouldnt make baseless allegations and then withdraw from posting a link - its not that you cant be bothered - truth is you cant find the links because they dont exists - go ahead and share your credible links to backup your serious allegations. And as for your "selective" stories, they all seem to only feature asian offenders - which says more about you and your agenda than anything else. All the serial killers in bradford have so far been white - should that form an impression? With our very own Peter Sutcliffe from heaton in the top 3 of the worst serial killers in England with 13 confirmed kills.[/p][/quote]Sorry but I see no mention on the T&A website of Peter Sutcliffe this week. Those stories I posted as I stated couldnt be bothered trawling the net are simply the most current on this site which were easy to link. The rest of the current stories relate to Bradford city. So seen as you like your percentages of the top 10 stories on this site 50% of them involve crime of some sort relating to Asians and 50% relate to BCFC. That by YOUR definition means that Asians conduct 100% of all crime !! Of course this isnt true but it reflects how the "perception" is instilled through the media or "net" as you obviously like to quote "sources"[/p][/quote]And lets go on shall we This guy http://en.wikipedia. org/wiki/Javed_Iqbal _(serial_killer) Puts Peter Sutcliffe in the amateur serial killer slot if we are going on historic serial killers Andy2010
  • Score: 0

1:28pm Wed 23 Jan 13

SinnerSaint says...

He doesn't have anything current to support his arguments. That's why he goes on about The Yorkshire Ripper from 30 years ago and Churchill! LOL!

A simple non-specific Google search for "drug dealer Bradford" is enough to put this one to bed.

But then he'll probably have us believe that Google is Islamophobic LOL

PS. The images are hilarious LOL
He doesn't have anything current to support his arguments. That's why he goes on about The Yorkshire Ripper from 30 years ago and Churchill! LOL! A simple non-specific Google search for "drug dealer Bradford" is enough to put this one to bed. But then he'll probably have us believe that Google is Islamophobic LOL PS. The images are hilarious LOL SinnerSaint
  • Score: 0

1:37pm Wed 23 Jan 13

thingybob68 says...

Andy2010 wrote:
thingybob68 wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
thingybob68 wrote:
Yes I did actually, I am English and I live in my own home also.

However in many parts of Bradford like holmewood, ravo, buttershaw, queensbury, windhill, clayton, idle, greengates etc - a large number live in council housing as opposed to owner occupiers - a reverse trend in many other areas like great horton, heaton, manningham, even west bowling.

Not sure why that is but that has been the observation and that of a BBC report.

"About 20% of Bradford's population is made up of people from minority ethnic groups, the majority of whom are of Asian origin.

But just 2% of council tenants are from the Asian communities. "

Did you read tha right, just 2% of asians in Bradford live in social housing, even though they are 20% or so of the bradford population.

http://news.bbc.co.u




k/1/hi/uk/1396240.st




m
jeez you like believing things on the internet you read dont ya

What you dont seem to mention is about 60% of houses in "asian" areas are owned by landlords and rented back to family and friends etc with the tax payer picking up the bill through housing benefit. yes they arent included in these figures but dont let that bother you

I would scour the internet and post a link as that clearly is something that impresses you but to be honest cant be bothered. Having lived in Bradford all my life and observed the decline in areas such as Manningham, Great Horton etc etc I dont need pointless news articles to see whats right in front of my own eyes

Seen as you also like links care to comment on the recent stories ive linked below all apparently carried out by the asians?

http://www.thetelegr



aphandargus.co.uk/ne



ws/10178025.Court_to



ld_men_raped_young_g



irls_they_plied_with



_drink/

http://www.thetelegr



aphandargus.co.uk/ne



ws/10175812.Pair_jai



led_after_officers_f



ound_1_500_wraps_dur



ing_raid_on_Girlingt



on_house/?ref=ms

http://www.thetelegr



aphandargus.co.uk/ne



ws/10173877._More_th



an_200_raids_in_Brad



ford_carried_out_by_



UK_Border_Agency_/?r



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http://www.thetelegr



aphandargus.co.uk/ne



ws/10176258.Updated_



_Man_appears_in_cour



t_charged_with_murde



r_of_Keighley_four_y



ear_old/?ref=mr

http://www.thetelegr



aphandargus.co.uk/ne



ws/10175808.___Drunk



en_woman_was_raped_i



n_Keighley_park___/?



ref=mr

Can you perhaps understand why an impression is formed?
YOu really shouldnt make baseless allegations and then withdraw from posting a link - its not that you cant be bothered - truth is you cant find the links because they dont exists - go ahead and share your credible links to backup your serious allegations.

And as for your "selective" stories, they all seem to only feature asian offenders - which says more about you and your agenda than anything else.

All the serial killers in bradford have so far been white - should that form an impression?

With our very own Peter Sutcliffe from heaton in the top 3 of the worst serial killers in England with 13 confirmed kills.
Sorry but I see no mention on the T&A website of Peter Sutcliffe this week.

Those stories I posted as I stated couldnt be bothered trawling the net are simply the most current on this site which were easy to link. The rest of the current stories relate to Bradford city.

So seen as you like your percentages of the top 10 stories on this site 50% of them involve crime of some sort relating to Asians and 50% relate to BCFC. That by YOUR definition means that Asians conduct 100% of all crime !!

Of course this isnt true but it reflects how the "perception" is instilled through the media or "net" as you obviously like to quote "sources"
Are you therefore saying you are easily led by news reporting to inform your "perceptions" or that other poeple are.

Or do you allow your perceptions to be formed selectively on certain days where the stories are focused on asian offenders?

And if youre not an ignorant bigot wth an agenda, why dont you let the T&A Court file influence your "perceptions" - is it because the offenders are representative of Bradford and therefore not in sync with your "perceptions"?

Heres a live link to the Bradford Crown Court of court cases

http://www.courtserv
e.net/courtlists/cur
rent/crown/bradf_T13
0123.01.htm

In Court 1 today are;

For Application to Vary Bail Conditions
T20120628 OWEN Angela
13FA0214912
T20127319 OWEN Angela
13FA0538512
T20127321 OWEN Angela
13FA0214912
For Preliminary Hearing
T20137030 ROSSER Anwar
13HA0033513
T20137022 SIMPSON Eddie
13GA0063913
SITTING AT 10:30 AM
Trial (Part Heard)
T20127283 RASHID Abdul
13HA0271211
T20127268 HUSSAIN Mohammed S
13HA0271211
For Trial
T20127399 HAWKINS Vincent P
13HA0457912
PRIORITY FLOATING TRIAL TO ALLOCATE
For Plea
T20127399 GEARY Richard J

For Trial
T20120751 KIRK Reon J
13GA0268612
FLOATING TRIAL TO ALLOCATE
T20120781 BADSHAH Noor
13GA1006812
TRIAL FOR THIS COURT


Can you see why you could be perceived as ignorant or maybe bigotted?

Isnt the answer to tackle ignorance and prejudice instead of giving into flawed perceptions?

After all, some people just want to believe whatever fits into their narrow minds.
[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thingybob68[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thingybob68[/bold] wrote: Yes I did actually, I am English and I live in my own home also. However in many parts of Bradford like holmewood, ravo, buttershaw, queensbury, windhill, clayton, idle, greengates etc - a large number live in council housing as opposed to owner occupiers - a reverse trend in many other areas like great horton, heaton, manningham, even west bowling. Not sure why that is but that has been the observation and that of a BBC report. "About 20% of Bradford's population is made up of people from minority ethnic groups, the majority of whom are of Asian origin. But just 2% of council tenants are from the Asian communities. " Did you read tha right, just 2% of asians in Bradford live in social housing, even though they are 20% or so of the bradford population. http://news.bbc.co.u k/1/hi/uk/1396240.st m[/p][/quote]jeez you like believing things on the internet you read dont ya What you dont seem to mention is about 60% of houses in "asian" areas are owned by landlords and rented back to family and friends etc with the tax payer picking up the bill through housing benefit. yes they arent included in these figures but dont let that bother you I would scour the internet and post a link as that clearly is something that impresses you but to be honest cant be bothered. Having lived in Bradford all my life and observed the decline in areas such as Manningham, Great Horton etc etc I dont need pointless news articles to see whats right in front of my own eyes Seen as you also like links care to comment on the recent stories ive linked below all apparently carried out by the asians? http://www.thetelegr aphandargus.co.uk/ne ws/10178025.Court_to ld_men_raped_young_g irls_they_plied_with _drink/ http://www.thetelegr aphandargus.co.uk/ne ws/10175812.Pair_jai led_after_officers_f ound_1_500_wraps_dur ing_raid_on_Girlingt on_house/?ref=ms http://www.thetelegr aphandargus.co.uk/ne ws/10173877._More_th an_200_raids_in_Brad ford_carried_out_by_ UK_Border_Agency_/?r ef=mc http://www.thetelegr aphandargus.co.uk/ne ws/10176258.Updated_ _Man_appears_in_cour t_charged_with_murde r_of_Keighley_four_y ear_old/?ref=mr http://www.thetelegr aphandargus.co.uk/ne ws/10175808.___Drunk en_woman_was_raped_i n_Keighley_park___/? ref=mr Can you perhaps understand why an impression is formed?[/p][/quote]YOu really shouldnt make baseless allegations and then withdraw from posting a link - its not that you cant be bothered - truth is you cant find the links because they dont exists - go ahead and share your credible links to backup your serious allegations. And as for your "selective" stories, they all seem to only feature asian offenders - which says more about you and your agenda than anything else. All the serial killers in bradford have so far been white - should that form an impression? With our very own Peter Sutcliffe from heaton in the top 3 of the worst serial killers in England with 13 confirmed kills.[/p][/quote]Sorry but I see no mention on the T&A website of Peter Sutcliffe this week. Those stories I posted as I stated couldnt be bothered trawling the net are simply the most current on this site which were easy to link. The rest of the current stories relate to Bradford city. So seen as you like your percentages of the top 10 stories on this site 50% of them involve crime of some sort relating to Asians and 50% relate to BCFC. That by YOUR definition means that Asians conduct 100% of all crime !! Of course this isnt true but it reflects how the "perception" is instilled through the media or "net" as you obviously like to quote "sources"[/p][/quote]Are you therefore saying you are easily led by news reporting to inform your "perceptions" or that other poeple are. Or do you allow your perceptions to be formed selectively on certain days where the stories are focused on asian offenders? And if youre not an ignorant bigot wth an agenda, why dont you let the T&A Court file influence your "perceptions" - is it because the offenders are representative of Bradford and therefore not in sync with your "perceptions"? Heres a live link to the Bradford Crown Court of court cases http://www.courtserv e.net/courtlists/cur rent/crown/bradf_T13 0123.01.htm In Court 1 today are; For Application to Vary Bail Conditions T20120628 OWEN Angela 13FA0214912 T20127319 OWEN Angela 13FA0538512 T20127321 OWEN Angela 13FA0214912 For Preliminary Hearing T20137030 ROSSER Anwar 13HA0033513 T20137022 SIMPSON Eddie 13GA0063913 SITTING AT 10:30 AM Trial (Part Heard) T20127283 RASHID Abdul 13HA0271211 T20127268 HUSSAIN Mohammed S 13HA0271211 For Trial T20127399 HAWKINS Vincent P 13HA0457912 PRIORITY FLOATING TRIAL TO ALLOCATE For Plea T20127399 GEARY Richard J For Trial T20120751 KIRK Reon J 13GA0268612 FLOATING TRIAL TO ALLOCATE T20120781 BADSHAH Noor 13GA1006812 TRIAL FOR THIS COURT Can you see why you could be perceived as ignorant or maybe bigotted? Isnt the answer to tackle ignorance and prejudice instead of giving into flawed perceptions? After all, some people just want to believe whatever fits into their narrow minds. thingybob68
  • Score: 0

1:46pm Wed 23 Jan 13

thingybob68 says...

Andy2010 wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
thingybob68 wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
thingybob68 wrote:
Yes I did actually, I am English and I live in my own home also.

However in many parts of Bradford like holmewood, ravo, buttershaw, queensbury, windhill, clayton, idle, greengates etc - a large number live in council housing as opposed to owner occupiers - a reverse trend in many other areas like great horton, heaton, manningham, even west bowling.

Not sure why that is but that has been the observation and that of a BBC report.

"About 20% of Bradford's population is made up of people from minority ethnic groups, the majority of whom are of Asian origin.

But just 2% of council tenants are from the Asian communities. "

Did you read tha right, just 2% of asians in Bradford live in social housing, even though they are 20% or so of the bradford population.

http://news.bbc.co.u





k/1/hi/uk/1396240.st





m
jeez you like believing things on the internet you read dont ya

What you dont seem to mention is about 60% of houses in "asian" areas are owned by landlords and rented back to family and friends etc with the tax payer picking up the bill through housing benefit. yes they arent included in these figures but dont let that bother you

I would scour the internet and post a link as that clearly is something that impresses you but to be honest cant be bothered. Having lived in Bradford all my life and observed the decline in areas such as Manningham, Great Horton etc etc I dont need pointless news articles to see whats right in front of my own eyes

Seen as you also like links care to comment on the recent stories ive linked below all apparently carried out by the asians?

http://www.thetelegr




aphandargus.co.uk/ne




ws/10178025.Court_to




ld_men_raped_young_g




irls_they_plied_with




_drink/

http://www.thetelegr




aphandargus.co.uk/ne




ws/10175812.Pair_jai




led_after_officers_f




ound_1_500_wraps_dur




ing_raid_on_Girlingt




on_house/?ref=ms

http://www.thetelegr




aphandargus.co.uk/ne




ws/10173877._More_th




an_200_raids_in_Brad




ford_carried_out_by_




UK_Border_Agency_/?r




ef=mc

http://www.thetelegr




aphandargus.co.uk/ne




ws/10176258.Updated_




_Man_appears_in_cour




t_charged_with_murde




r_of_Keighley_four_y




ear_old/?ref=mr

http://www.thetelegr




aphandargus.co.uk/ne




ws/10175808.___Drunk




en_woman_was_raped_i




n_Keighley_park___/?




ref=mr

Can you perhaps understand why an impression is formed?
YOu really shouldnt make baseless allegations and then withdraw from posting a link - its not that you cant be bothered - truth is you cant find the links because they dont exists - go ahead and share your credible links to backup your serious allegations.

And as for your "selective" stories, they all seem to only feature asian offenders - which says more about you and your agenda than anything else.

All the serial killers in bradford have so far been white - should that form an impression?

With our very own Peter Sutcliffe from heaton in the top 3 of the worst serial killers in England with 13 confirmed kills.
Sorry but I see no mention on the T&A website of Peter Sutcliffe this week.

Those stories I posted as I stated couldnt be bothered trawling the net are simply the most current on this site which were easy to link. The rest of the current stories relate to Bradford city.

So seen as you like your percentages of the top 10 stories on this site 50% of them involve crime of some sort relating to Asians and 50% relate to BCFC. That by YOUR definition means that Asians conduct 100% of all crime !!

Of course this isnt true but it reflects how the "perception" is instilled through the media or "net" as you obviously like to quote "sources"
And lets go on shall we

This guy

http://en.wikipedia.

org/wiki/Javed_Iqbal

_(serial_killer)

Puts Peter Sutcliffe in the amateur serial killer slot if we are going on historic serial killers
Have you widened your net to include other countries then?

Because I think Brevik can top that with more than 100 kills.

Lets try and stick to Bradford or at least this country.

Feel free to backup your baseless, throw-away accusations you made earlier about asians but just ignored.
[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thingybob68[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thingybob68[/bold] wrote: Yes I did actually, I am English and I live in my own home also. However in many parts of Bradford like holmewood, ravo, buttershaw, queensbury, windhill, clayton, idle, greengates etc - a large number live in council housing as opposed to owner occupiers - a reverse trend in many other areas like great horton, heaton, manningham, even west bowling. Not sure why that is but that has been the observation and that of a BBC report. "About 20% of Bradford's population is made up of people from minority ethnic groups, the majority of whom are of Asian origin. But just 2% of council tenants are from the Asian communities. " Did you read tha right, just 2% of asians in Bradford live in social housing, even though they are 20% or so of the bradford population. http://news.bbc.co.u k/1/hi/uk/1396240.st m[/p][/quote]jeez you like believing things on the internet you read dont ya What you dont seem to mention is about 60% of houses in "asian" areas are owned by landlords and rented back to family and friends etc with the tax payer picking up the bill through housing benefit. yes they arent included in these figures but dont let that bother you I would scour the internet and post a link as that clearly is something that impresses you but to be honest cant be bothered. Having lived in Bradford all my life and observed the decline in areas such as Manningham, Great Horton etc etc I dont need pointless news articles to see whats right in front of my own eyes Seen as you also like links care to comment on the recent stories ive linked below all apparently carried out by the asians? http://www.thetelegr aphandargus.co.uk/ne ws/10178025.Court_to ld_men_raped_young_g irls_they_plied_with _drink/ http://www.thetelegr aphandargus.co.uk/ne ws/10175812.Pair_jai led_after_officers_f ound_1_500_wraps_dur ing_raid_on_Girlingt on_house/?ref=ms http://www.thetelegr aphandargus.co.uk/ne ws/10173877._More_th an_200_raids_in_Brad ford_carried_out_by_ UK_Border_Agency_/?r ef=mc http://www.thetelegr aphandargus.co.uk/ne ws/10176258.Updated_ _Man_appears_in_cour t_charged_with_murde r_of_Keighley_four_y ear_old/?ref=mr http://www.thetelegr aphandargus.co.uk/ne ws/10175808.___Drunk en_woman_was_raped_i n_Keighley_park___/? ref=mr Can you perhaps understand why an impression is formed?[/p][/quote]YOu really shouldnt make baseless allegations and then withdraw from posting a link - its not that you cant be bothered - truth is you cant find the links because they dont exists - go ahead and share your credible links to backup your serious allegations. And as for your "selective" stories, they all seem to only feature asian offenders - which says more about you and your agenda than anything else. All the serial killers in bradford have so far been white - should that form an impression? With our very own Peter Sutcliffe from heaton in the top 3 of the worst serial killers in England with 13 confirmed kills.[/p][/quote]Sorry but I see no mention on the T&A website of Peter Sutcliffe this week. Those stories I posted as I stated couldnt be bothered trawling the net are simply the most current on this site which were easy to link. The rest of the current stories relate to Bradford city. So seen as you like your percentages of the top 10 stories on this site 50% of them involve crime of some sort relating to Asians and 50% relate to BCFC. That by YOUR definition means that Asians conduct 100% of all crime !! Of course this isnt true but it reflects how the "perception" is instilled through the media or "net" as you obviously like to quote "sources"[/p][/quote]And lets go on shall we This guy http://en.wikipedia. org/wiki/Javed_Iqbal _(serial_killer) Puts Peter Sutcliffe in the amateur serial killer slot if we are going on historic serial killers[/p][/quote]Have you widened your net to include other countries then? Because I think Brevik can top that with more than 100 kills. Lets try and stick to Bradford or at least this country. Feel free to backup your baseless, throw-away accusations you made earlier about asians but just ignored. thingybob68
  • Score: 0

2:32pm Wed 23 Jan 13

Andy2010 says...

thingybob68 wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
thingybob68 wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
thingybob68 wrote:
Yes I did actually, I am English and I live in my own home also.

However in many parts of Bradford like holmewood, ravo, buttershaw, queensbury, windhill, clayton, idle, greengates etc - a large number live in council housing as opposed to owner occupiers - a reverse trend in many other areas like great horton, heaton, manningham, even west bowling.

Not sure why that is but that has been the observation and that of a BBC report.

"About 20% of Bradford's population is made up of people from minority ethnic groups, the majority of whom are of Asian origin.

But just 2% of council tenants are from the Asian communities. "

Did you read tha right, just 2% of asians in Bradford live in social housing, even though they are 20% or so of the bradford population.

http://news.bbc.co.u






k/1/hi/uk/1396240.st






m
jeez you like believing things on the internet you read dont ya

What you dont seem to mention is about 60% of houses in "asian" areas are owned by landlords and rented back to family and friends etc with the tax payer picking up the bill through housing benefit. yes they arent included in these figures but dont let that bother you

I would scour the internet and post a link as that clearly is something that impresses you but to be honest cant be bothered. Having lived in Bradford all my life and observed the decline in areas such as Manningham, Great Horton etc etc I dont need pointless news articles to see whats right in front of my own eyes

Seen as you also like links care to comment on the recent stories ive linked below all apparently carried out by the asians?

http://www.thetelegr





aphandargus.co.uk/ne





ws/10178025.Court_to





ld_men_raped_young_g





irls_they_plied_with





_drink/

http://www.thetelegr





aphandargus.co.uk/ne





ws/10175812.Pair_jai





led_after_officers_f





ound_1_500_wraps_dur





ing_raid_on_Girlingt





on_house/?ref=ms

http://www.thetelegr





aphandargus.co.uk/ne





ws/10173877._More_th





an_200_raids_in_Brad





ford_carried_out_by_





UK_Border_Agency_/?r





ef=mc

http://www.thetelegr





aphandargus.co.uk/ne





ws/10176258.Updated_





_Man_appears_in_cour





t_charged_with_murde





r_of_Keighley_four_y





ear_old/?ref=mr

http://www.thetelegr





aphandargus.co.uk/ne





ws/10175808.___Drunk





en_woman_was_raped_i





n_Keighley_park___/?





ref=mr

Can you perhaps understand why an impression is formed?
YOu really shouldnt make baseless allegations and then withdraw from posting a link - its not that you cant be bothered - truth is you cant find the links because they dont exists - go ahead and share your credible links to backup your serious allegations.

And as for your "selective" stories, they all seem to only feature asian offenders - which says more about you and your agenda than anything else.

All the serial killers in bradford have so far been white - should that form an impression?

With our very own Peter Sutcliffe from heaton in the top 3 of the worst serial killers in England with 13 confirmed kills.
Sorry but I see no mention on the T&A website of Peter Sutcliffe this week.

Those stories I posted as I stated couldnt be bothered trawling the net are simply the most current on this site which were easy to link. The rest of the current stories relate to Bradford city.

So seen as you like your percentages of the top 10 stories on this site 50% of them involve crime of some sort relating to Asians and 50% relate to BCFC. That by YOUR definition means that Asians conduct 100% of all crime !!

Of course this isnt true but it reflects how the "perception" is instilled through the media or "net" as you obviously like to quote "sources"
And lets go on shall we

This guy

http://en.wikipedia.


org/wiki/Javed_Iqbal


_(serial_killer)

Puts Peter Sutcliffe in the amateur serial killer slot if we are going on historic serial killers
Have you widened your net to include other countries then?

Because I think Brevik can top that with more than 100 kills.

Lets try and stick to Bradford or at least this country.

Feel free to backup your baseless, throw-away accusations you made earlier about asians but just ignored.
what accusations are these?

My point that Manningham and other Asian areas are run down and that is solely down to the residents?

Of course you could respond with "well so is Holme wood" and I would agree but back to your original point that Asian families are happy to live in these conditions and all work hard to provide for their families whereas Holme Wood residents or at least some of will indeed be sponging off the state.

I fail to see your arguement at all. My point and the Sinners point is the and as you agree Asians are in a minority in Bradford...yes....yo
u with me so far?

By this minority and under the assumption of crime you would assume that 20 or whatever percent of crimes there would be committed by Non whites ?...yes?...you with me so far....following?

Ok lets stop going on about serial killers blah blah blah and refer to the actual court file you have stated.

Of them cases and referring to the names stated out of 9 cases 4 of them relate to what I would assume are Asian names.

Thats 44% of todays court....in a minority that is excessive is it not?

See where we are coming from ?

Probably not
[quote][p][bold]thingybob68[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thingybob68[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thingybob68[/bold] wrote: Yes I did actually, I am English and I live in my own home also. However in many parts of Bradford like holmewood, ravo, buttershaw, queensbury, windhill, clayton, idle, greengates etc - a large number live in council housing as opposed to owner occupiers - a reverse trend in many other areas like great horton, heaton, manningham, even west bowling. Not sure why that is but that has been the observation and that of a BBC report. "About 20% of Bradford's population is made up of people from minority ethnic groups, the majority of whom are of Asian origin. But just 2% of council tenants are from the Asian communities. " Did you read tha right, just 2% of asians in Bradford live in social housing, even though they are 20% or so of the bradford population. http://news.bbc.co.u k/1/hi/uk/1396240.st m[/p][/quote]jeez you like believing things on the internet you read dont ya What you dont seem to mention is about 60% of houses in "asian" areas are owned by landlords and rented back to family and friends etc with the tax payer picking up the bill through housing benefit. yes they arent included in these figures but dont let that bother you I would scour the internet and post a link as that clearly is something that impresses you but to be honest cant be bothered. Having lived in Bradford all my life and observed the decline in areas such as Manningham, Great Horton etc etc I dont need pointless news articles to see whats right in front of my own eyes Seen as you also like links care to comment on the recent stories ive linked below all apparently carried out by the asians? http://www.thetelegr aphandargus.co.uk/ne ws/10178025.Court_to ld_men_raped_young_g irls_they_plied_with _drink/ http://www.thetelegr aphandargus.co.uk/ne ws/10175812.Pair_jai led_after_officers_f ound_1_500_wraps_dur ing_raid_on_Girlingt on_house/?ref=ms http://www.thetelegr aphandargus.co.uk/ne ws/10173877._More_th an_200_raids_in_Brad ford_carried_out_by_ UK_Border_Agency_/?r ef=mc http://www.thetelegr aphandargus.co.uk/ne ws/10176258.Updated_ _Man_appears_in_cour t_charged_with_murde r_of_Keighley_four_y ear_old/?ref=mr http://www.thetelegr aphandargus.co.uk/ne ws/10175808.___Drunk en_woman_was_raped_i n_Keighley_park___/? ref=mr Can you perhaps understand why an impression is formed?[/p][/quote]YOu really shouldnt make baseless allegations and then withdraw from posting a link - its not that you cant be bothered - truth is you cant find the links because they dont exists - go ahead and share your credible links to backup your serious allegations. And as for your "selective" stories, they all seem to only feature asian offenders - which says more about you and your agenda than anything else. All the serial killers in bradford have so far been white - should that form an impression? With our very own Peter Sutcliffe from heaton in the top 3 of the worst serial killers in England with 13 confirmed kills.[/p][/quote]Sorry but I see no mention on the T&A website of Peter Sutcliffe this week. Those stories I posted as I stated couldnt be bothered trawling the net are simply the most current on this site which were easy to link. The rest of the current stories relate to Bradford city. So seen as you like your percentages of the top 10 stories on this site 50% of them involve crime of some sort relating to Asians and 50% relate to BCFC. That by YOUR definition means that Asians conduct 100% of all crime !! Of course this isnt true but it reflects how the "perception" is instilled through the media or "net" as you obviously like to quote "sources"[/p][/quote]And lets go on shall we This guy http://en.wikipedia. org/wiki/Javed_Iqbal _(serial_killer) Puts Peter Sutcliffe in the amateur serial killer slot if we are going on historic serial killers[/p][/quote]Have you widened your net to include other countries then? Because I think Brevik can top that with more than 100 kills. Lets try and stick to Bradford or at least this country. Feel free to backup your baseless, throw-away accusations you made earlier about asians but just ignored.[/p][/quote]what accusations are these? My point that Manningham and other Asian areas are run down and that is solely down to the residents? Of course you could respond with "well so is Holme wood" and I would agree but back to your original point that Asian families are happy to live in these conditions and all work hard to provide for their families whereas Holme Wood residents or at least some of will indeed be sponging off the state. I fail to see your arguement at all. My point and the Sinners point is the and as you agree Asians are in a minority in Bradford...yes....yo u with me so far? By this minority and under the assumption of crime you would assume that 20 or whatever percent of crimes there would be committed by Non whites ?...yes?...you with me so far....following? Ok lets stop going on about serial killers blah blah blah and refer to the actual court file you have stated. Of them cases and referring to the names stated out of 9 cases 4 of them relate to what I would assume are Asian names. Thats 44% of todays court....in a minority that is excessive is it not? See where we are coming from ? Probably not Andy2010
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2:38pm Wed 23 Jan 13

thingybob68 says...

No need to be coy Andy, you know full well which baseless and throw-away comment I am referring to.

you wrote


What you dont seem to mention is "about 60% of houses in "asian" areas are owned by landlords and rented back to family and friends etc with the tax payer picking up the bill through housing benefit. yes they arent included in these figures but dont let that bother you"

And then said you couldnt be bothered to refernace your accusation but knew it to be true.

To which I responded, you cant find any such source to back up your made up statistic and allegation - because its made up.

Feel free to now backup your bigotted and false accusation.

I won't be holding my breath.
No need to be coy Andy, you know full well which baseless and throw-away comment I am referring to. you wrote What you dont seem to mention is "about 60% of houses in "asian" areas are owned by landlords and rented back to family and friends etc with the tax payer picking up the bill through housing benefit. yes they arent included in these figures but dont let that bother you" And then said you couldnt be bothered to refernace your accusation but knew it to be true. To which I responded, you cant find any such source to back up your made up statistic and allegation - because its made up. Feel free to now backup your bigotted and false accusation. I won't be holding my breath. thingybob68
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3:18pm Wed 23 Jan 13

GlobalSingh says...

UKIP...help !... 62 years of a bitterly divided UK especially with ONE community no one wants anything to do with and this ONE community which doesn't know its elbow from its head and involved in wholesale corruption and crime costing the British Tax Payer billions of pounds each year and they have the stupidity to say 'but it happens in every community' when in theirs the corruption and crime is over a thousand times greater in ratio and they have decimated any chance of community relations in the UK...Bradford is great for 'good' people.
UKIP...help !... 62 years of a bitterly divided UK especially with ONE community no one wants anything to do with and this ONE community which doesn't know its elbow from its head and involved in wholesale corruption and crime costing the British Tax Payer billions of pounds each year and they have the stupidity to say 'but it happens in every community' when in theirs the corruption and crime is over a thousand times greater in ratio and they have decimated any chance of community relations in the UK...Bradford is great for 'good' people. GlobalSingh
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3:22pm Wed 23 Jan 13

Andy2010 says...

thingybob68 wrote:
No need to be coy Andy, you know full well which baseless and throw-away comment I am referring to.

you wrote


What you dont seem to mention is "about 60% of houses in "asian" areas are owned by landlords and rented back to family and friends etc with the tax payer picking up the bill through housing benefit. yes they arent included in these figures but dont let that bother you"

And then said you couldnt be bothered to refernace your accusation but knew it to be true.

To which I responded, you cant find any such source to back up your made up statistic and allegation - because its made up.

Feel free to now backup your bigotted and false accusation.

I won't be holding my breath.
Please explain how to claiming 60% of housing in rental stock is bigotted?
[quote][p][bold]thingybob68[/bold] wrote: No need to be coy Andy, you know full well which baseless and throw-away comment I am referring to. you wrote What you dont seem to mention is "about 60% of houses in "asian" areas are owned by landlords and rented back to family and friends etc with the tax payer picking up the bill through housing benefit. yes they arent included in these figures but dont let that bother you" And then said you couldnt be bothered to refernace your accusation but knew it to be true. To which I responded, you cant find any such source to back up your made up statistic and allegation - because its made up. Feel free to now backup your bigotted and false accusation. I won't be holding my breath.[/p][/quote]Please explain how to claiming 60% of housing in rental stock is bigotted? Andy2010
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3:24pm Wed 23 Jan 13

Andy2010 says...

GlobalSingh wrote:
UKIP...help !... 62 years of a bitterly divided UK especially with ONE community no one wants anything to do with and this ONE community which doesn't know its elbow from its head and involved in wholesale corruption and crime costing the British Tax Payer billions of pounds each year and they have the stupidity to say 'but it happens in every community' when in theirs the corruption and crime is over a thousand times greater in ratio and they have decimated any chance of community relations in the UK...Bradford is great for 'good' people.
your clearly are bigotted, racist , islamaphobe...take your pick

Apparently anyone that says anything about an Asian area is exactly that..
[quote][p][bold]GlobalSingh[/bold] wrote: UKIP...help !... 62 years of a bitterly divided UK especially with ONE community no one wants anything to do with and this ONE community which doesn't know its elbow from its head and involved in wholesale corruption and crime costing the British Tax Payer billions of pounds each year and they have the stupidity to say 'but it happens in every community' when in theirs the corruption and crime is over a thousand times greater in ratio and they have decimated any chance of community relations in the UK...Bradford is great for 'good' people.[/p][/quote]your clearly are bigotted, racist , islamaphobe...take your pick Apparently anyone that says anything about an Asian area is exactly that.. Andy2010
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3:26pm Wed 23 Jan 13

Andy2010 says...

thingybob68 wrote:
No need to be coy Andy, you know full well which baseless and throw-away comment I am referring to.

you wrote


What you dont seem to mention is "about 60% of houses in "asian" areas are owned by landlords and rented back to family and friends etc with the tax payer picking up the bill through housing benefit. yes they arent included in these figures but dont let that bother you"

And then said you couldnt be bothered to refernace your accusation but knew it to be true.

To which I responded, you cant find any such source to back up your made up statistic and allegation - because its made up.

Feel free to now backup your bigotted and false accusation.

I won't be holding my breath.
Also please would you comment about the 44% in the courts today where you used that source as reference to equal crime when it isnt.

Thought not but you do pick and choose your "sources" dont ya.

I will await your comments concerning the Battle of Hastings next.
[quote][p][bold]thingybob68[/bold] wrote: No need to be coy Andy, you know full well which baseless and throw-away comment I am referring to. you wrote What you dont seem to mention is "about 60% of houses in "asian" areas are owned by landlords and rented back to family and friends etc with the tax payer picking up the bill through housing benefit. yes they arent included in these figures but dont let that bother you" And then said you couldnt be bothered to refernace your accusation but knew it to be true. To which I responded, you cant find any such source to back up your made up statistic and allegation - because its made up. Feel free to now backup your bigotted and false accusation. I won't be holding my breath.[/p][/quote]Also please would you comment about the 44% in the courts today where you used that source as reference to equal crime when it isnt. Thought not but you do pick and choose your "sources" dont ya. I will await your comments concerning the Battle of Hastings next. Andy2010
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3:57pm Wed 23 Jan 13

thingybob68 says...

Andy2010 wrote:
thingybob68 wrote:
No need to be coy Andy, you know full well which baseless and throw-away comment I am referring to.

you wrote


What you dont seem to mention is "about 60% of houses in "asian" areas are owned by landlords and rented back to family and friends etc with the tax payer picking up the bill through housing benefit. yes they arent included in these figures but dont let that bother you"

And then said you couldnt be bothered to refernace your accusation but knew it to be true.

To which I responded, you cant find any such source to back up your made up statistic and allegation - because its made up.

Feel free to now backup your bigotted and false accusation.

I won't be holding my breath.
Please explain how to claiming 60% of housing in rental stock is bigotted?
because you said it was asians, like all your accusations, only directed at asians, stop making up off the cuff bigotted comments which you cant support and I'll stop calling you a bigot.
[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thingybob68[/bold] wrote: No need to be coy Andy, you know full well which baseless and throw-away comment I am referring to. you wrote What you dont seem to mention is "about 60% of houses in "asian" areas are owned by landlords and rented back to family and friends etc with the tax payer picking up the bill through housing benefit. yes they arent included in these figures but dont let that bother you" And then said you couldnt be bothered to refernace your accusation but knew it to be true. To which I responded, you cant find any such source to back up your made up statistic and allegation - because its made up. Feel free to now backup your bigotted and false accusation. I won't be holding my breath.[/p][/quote]Please explain how to claiming 60% of housing in rental stock is bigotted?[/p][/quote]because you said it was asians, like all your accusations, only directed at asians, stop making up off the cuff bigotted comments which you cant support and I'll stop calling you a bigot. thingybob68
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3:59pm Wed 23 Jan 13

thingybob68 says...

Andy2010 wrote:
thingybob68 wrote:
No need to be coy Andy, you know full well which baseless and throw-away comment I am referring to.

you wrote


What you dont seem to mention is "about 60% of houses in "asian" areas are owned by landlords and rented back to family and friends etc with the tax payer picking up the bill through housing benefit. yes they arent included in these figures but dont let that bother you"

And then said you couldnt be bothered to refernace your accusation but knew it to be true.

To which I responded, you cant find any such source to back up your made up statistic and allegation - because its made up.

Feel free to now backup your bigotted and false accusation.

I won't be holding my breath.
Also please would you comment about the 44% in the courts today where you used that source as reference to equal crime when it isnt.

Thought not but you do pick and choose your "sources" dont ya.

I will await your comments concerning the Battle of Hastings next.
There's still no link to back up your 60% stat, did you forget again?

lol!
[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thingybob68[/bold] wrote: No need to be coy Andy, you know full well which baseless and throw-away comment I am referring to. you wrote What you dont seem to mention is "about 60% of houses in "asian" areas are owned by landlords and rented back to family and friends etc with the tax payer picking up the bill through housing benefit. yes they arent included in these figures but dont let that bother you" And then said you couldnt be bothered to refernace your accusation but knew it to be true. To which I responded, you cant find any such source to back up your made up statistic and allegation - because its made up. Feel free to now backup your bigotted and false accusation. I won't be holding my breath.[/p][/quote]Also please would you comment about the 44% in the courts today where you used that source as reference to equal crime when it isnt. Thought not but you do pick and choose your "sources" dont ya. I will await your comments concerning the Battle of Hastings next.[/p][/quote]There's still no link to back up your 60% stat, did you forget again? lol! thingybob68
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4:00pm Wed 23 Jan 13

Andy2010 says...

thingybob68 wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
thingybob68 wrote:
No need to be coy Andy, you know full well which baseless and throw-away comment I am referring to.

you wrote


What you dont seem to mention is "about 60% of houses in "asian" areas are owned by landlords and rented back to family and friends etc with the tax payer picking up the bill through housing benefit. yes they arent included in these figures but dont let that bother you"

And then said you couldnt be bothered to refernace your accusation but knew it to be true.

To which I responded, you cant find any such source to back up your made up statistic and allegation - because its made up.

Feel free to now backup your bigotted and false accusation.

I won't be holding my breath.
Please explain how to claiming 60% of housing in rental stock is bigotted?
because you said it was asians, like all your accusations, only directed at asians, stop making up off the cuff bigotted comments which you cant support and I'll stop calling you a bigot.
Ok

care to comment on your crime statistics?

or does avoiding the subject make you feel your right?
[quote][p][bold]thingybob68[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thingybob68[/bold] wrote: No need to be coy Andy, you know full well which baseless and throw-away comment I am referring to. you wrote What you dont seem to mention is "about 60% of houses in "asian" areas are owned by landlords and rented back to family and friends etc with the tax payer picking up the bill through housing benefit. yes they arent included in these figures but dont let that bother you" And then said you couldnt be bothered to refernace your accusation but knew it to be true. To which I responded, you cant find any such source to back up your made up statistic and allegation - because its made up. Feel free to now backup your bigotted and false accusation. I won't be holding my breath.[/p][/quote]Please explain how to claiming 60% of housing in rental stock is bigotted?[/p][/quote]because you said it was asians, like all your accusations, only directed at asians, stop making up off the cuff bigotted comments which you cant support and I'll stop calling you a bigot.[/p][/quote]Ok care to comment on your crime statistics? or does avoiding the subject make you feel your right? Andy2010
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4:12pm Wed 23 Jan 13

AHS says...

Iftikhar and the rest of you, we seem to be having a one way history lesson here about the English, and it is directed at the English, not Scotts, Welsh or Irish.
In days ofUK was invaded by all and sundry. The Romans, Vikings, Saxons, Normans and the Germans tried twice, to be honest the list is never ending.
The subject of slave labour in days gone pat was first started by the Africans, Turks, Romans and Arabs to name a few. It was deemed normal by African tribes to attack villages rape te womn kill the men and take the children as slaves. The English however came into it centuries later and ACTUALLY ABOLISHED slavery.
As for Islam they did nothing else but invade other countries, murdering and stealing, if you look we went to help other countries in the Crusades. The Spanish, Who may I add wiped out a total race, with their plundering and murderous escapades.
So before you start slagging of the English have a look at your own history.
http://en.wikipedia.
org/wiki/Crusades
http://wiki.answers.
com/Q/Where_did_slav
ery_start
And I'm sure there is plenty more aout to back up my views.
But to end it all this coountry ha had enough of scrooungers and the rest, it's abot time they, even the British lay abouts were sorted out and the illegals told to leave immediateley.
Iftikhar and the rest of you, we seem to be having a one way history lesson here about the English, and it is directed at the English, not Scotts, Welsh or Irish. In days ofUK was invaded by all and sundry. The Romans, Vikings, Saxons, Normans and the Germans tried twice, to be honest the list is never ending. The subject of slave labour in days gone pat was first started by the Africans, Turks, Romans and Arabs to name a few. It was deemed normal by African tribes to attack villages rape te womn kill the men and take the children as slaves. The English however came into it centuries later and ACTUALLY ABOLISHED slavery. As for Islam they did nothing else but invade other countries, murdering and stealing, if you look we went to help other countries in the Crusades. The Spanish, Who may I add wiped out a total race, with their plundering and murderous escapades. So before you start slagging of the English have a look at your own history. http://en.wikipedia. org/wiki/Crusades http://wiki.answers. com/Q/Where_did_slav ery_start And I'm sure there is plenty more aout to back up my views. But to end it all this coountry ha had enough of scrooungers and the rest, it's abot time they, even the British lay abouts were sorted out and the illegals told to leave immediateley. AHS
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4:19pm Wed 23 Jan 13

thingybob68 says...

GlobalSingh wrote:
UKIP...help !... 62 years of a bitterly divided UK especially with ONE community no one wants anything to do with and this ONE community which doesn't know its elbow from its head and involved in wholesale corruption and crime costing the British Tax Payer billions of pounds each year and they have the stupidity to say 'but it happens in every community' when in theirs the corruption and crime is over a thousand times greater in ratio and they have decimated any chance of community relations in the UK...Bradford is great for 'good' people.
Take a deep breath and calm down Mr Singh, you're getting hysterical.

ethnicity of prisoners held in uk jails as follows;

white - 74.3% (general population is 85%)

pakistani - 6.1% (general population is 4%)

black - 13.4% (general population is 2.7%)

So its still not anywhere near as close to "over a thousand times greater in ratio", more like 1.5 times as much - and we do know that asians are more likely to receive jail sentences than white defendants for the same crime.

So do take a deep breath and calm down Mr Singh, making up statistics and getting it all out of proportion cant be any good for your blood pressure.

Next you'll be complaining black people are committing crimes "over a thousand times greater in ratio" what with 12.4% in jail and only 2.7% of the population.

Bu if that temptation creeps into your head, just refer back to the gaurdian link.

Now take a deep breath and try some white tantric meditation from Guri Ram Das Ashram

http://www.gururamda
sashram.org/white-ta
ntric-yoga

Ommm!!
[quote][p][bold]GlobalSingh[/bold] wrote: UKIP...help !... 62 years of a bitterly divided UK especially with ONE community no one wants anything to do with and this ONE community which doesn't know its elbow from its head and involved in wholesale corruption and crime costing the British Tax Payer billions of pounds each year and they have the stupidity to say 'but it happens in every community' when in theirs the corruption and crime is over a thousand times greater in ratio and they have decimated any chance of community relations in the UK...Bradford is great for 'good' people.[/p][/quote]Take a deep breath and calm down Mr Singh, you're getting hysterical. ethnicity of prisoners held in uk jails as follows; white - 74.3% (general population is 85%) pakistani - 6.1% (general population is 4%) black - 13.4% (general population is 2.7%) So its still not anywhere near as close to "over a thousand times greater in ratio", more like 1.5 times as much - and we do know that asians are more likely to receive jail sentences than white defendants for the same crime. So do take a deep breath and calm down Mr Singh, making up statistics and getting it all out of proportion cant be any good for your blood pressure. Next you'll be complaining black people are committing crimes "over a thousand times greater in ratio" what with 12.4% in jail and only 2.7% of the population. Bu if that temptation creeps into your head, just refer back to the gaurdian link. Now take a deep breath and try some white tantric meditation from Guri Ram Das Ashram http://www.gururamda sashram.org/white-ta ntric-yoga Ommm!! thingybob68
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4:29pm Wed 23 Jan 13

i hate bradford says...

Andy2010 you should know by now you can't win an argument with Elizabeth (thingybob) she just will not allow it.

She will call you all those names and more and report your response to the moderator and have you banned if you dare show her up as the bigot we all know she is!

As for her many links she spends hours on the internet every day searching for these links while she is stuck home at smoking da bud. She cares not if they are 100 years old or irrelevant if they help her feel as though she has won the debate she will happily use them. If she can't find an inappropriate out dated link she will bring the EDL into the debate thinking it scores her a few points.

Everybody knows there is a problem with the Pakistani community renting property out to family members who then attempt to claim benefits to pay the mortgage but if she is oblivious to this issue leave her in her blissful ignorance she likes it there.
Andy2010 you should know by now you can't win an argument with Elizabeth (thingybob) she just will not allow it. She will call you all those names and more and report your response to the moderator and have you banned if you dare show her up as the bigot we all know she is! As for her many links she spends hours on the internet every day searching for these links while she is stuck home at smoking da bud. She cares not if they are 100 years old or irrelevant if they help her feel as though she has won the debate she will happily use them. If she can't find an inappropriate out dated link she will bring the EDL into the debate thinking it scores her a few points. Everybody knows there is a problem with the Pakistani community renting property out to family members who then attempt to claim benefits to pay the mortgage but if she is oblivious to this issue leave her in her blissful ignorance she likes it there. i hate bradford
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4:36pm Wed 23 Jan 13

thingybob68 says...

i hate bradford wrote:
Andy2010 you should know by now you can't win an argument with Elizabeth (thingybob) she just will not allow it.

She will call you all those names and more and report your response to the moderator and have you banned if you dare show her up as the bigot we all know she is!

As for her many links she spends hours on the internet every day searching for these links while she is stuck home at smoking da bud. She cares not if they are 100 years old or irrelevant if they help her feel as though she has won the debate she will happily use them. If she can't find an inappropriate out dated link she will bring the EDL into the debate thinking it scores her a few points.

Everybody knows there is a problem with the Pakistani community renting property out to family members who then attempt to claim benefits to pay the mortgage but if she is oblivious to this issue leave her in her blissful ignorance she likes it there.
Sounds like youve got quite an imagination there, not been sniffing glue have you?

Anyway, re: the whole renting thing, I do wish I could just take your word on the matter, but some of you do have habit of making things up don't you.

lol!
[quote][p][bold]i hate bradford[/bold] wrote: Andy2010 you should know by now you can't win an argument with Elizabeth (thingybob) she just will not allow it. She will call you all those names and more and report your response to the moderator and have you banned if you dare show her up as the bigot we all know she is! As for her many links she spends hours on the internet every day searching for these links while she is stuck home at smoking da bud. She cares not if they are 100 years old or irrelevant if they help her feel as though she has won the debate she will happily use them. If she can't find an inappropriate out dated link she will bring the EDL into the debate thinking it scores her a few points. Everybody knows there is a problem with the Pakistani community renting property out to family members who then attempt to claim benefits to pay the mortgage but if she is oblivious to this issue leave her in her blissful ignorance she likes it there.[/p][/quote]Sounds like youve got quite an imagination there, not been sniffing glue have you? Anyway, re: the whole renting thing, I do wish I could just take your word on the matter, but some of you do have habit of making things up don't you. lol! thingybob68
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4:42pm Wed 23 Jan 13

SinnerSaint says...

Mr Thingyknob, according to the 2011 Census the percentage for Asian/Asian British : Pakistani was 2% of the total population.

Meaning that a prison population of 6.1% would be more than 3 times the representative demographic of which you speak.

I don't know where you get your statistics from, do you make them up?
Mr Thingyknob, according to the 2011 Census the percentage for Asian/Asian British : Pakistani was 2% of the total population. Meaning that a prison population of 6.1% would be more than 3 times the representative demographic of which you speak. I don't know where you get your statistics from, do you make them up? SinnerSaint
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5:05pm Wed 23 Jan 13

thingybob68 says...

SinnerSaint wrote:
Mr Thingyknob, according to the 2011 Census the percentage for Asian/Asian British : Pakistani was 2% of the total population.

Meaning that a prison population of 6.1% would be more than 3 times the representative demographic of which you speak.

I don't know where you get your statistics from, do you make them up?
No, i dont throw around made up facts with that old chestnut, "we all know ...",

Thats your speciality, and your freinds like 1000 times, why dont you tell Mr Singh its 3 times - put his mind to rest.

And again - see gaurdian study of 1 million court cases and sentencing.

The study showed disparity in sentencing of aisan offenders of upto 44% versus white offenders for the same crime.

Thats about 4 times!

lol!
[quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: Mr Thingyknob, according to the 2011 Census the percentage for Asian/Asian British : Pakistani was 2% of the total population. Meaning that a prison population of 6.1% would be more than 3 times the representative demographic of which you speak. I don't know where you get your statistics from, do you make them up?[/p][/quote]No, i dont throw around made up facts with that old chestnut, "we all know ...", Thats your speciality, and your freinds like 1000 times, why dont you tell Mr Singh its 3 times - put his mind to rest. And again - see gaurdian study of 1 million court cases and sentencing. The study showed disparity in sentencing of aisan offenders of upto 44% versus white offenders for the same crime. Thats about 4 times! lol! thingybob68
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5:34pm Wed 23 Jan 13

SinnerSaint says...

Changing the goalposts again. Tut tut!

And again Google "Drug dealer Bradford"

Super LOL! The picture of the girl is my favourite!
Changing the goalposts again. Tut tut! And again Google "Drug dealer Bradford" Super LOL! The picture of the girl is my favourite! SinnerSaint
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6:16pm Wed 23 Jan 13

SinnerSaint says...

thingybob68 wrote:
SinnerSaint wrote:
Mr Thingyknob, according to the 2011 Census the percentage for Asian/Asian British : Pakistani was 2% of the total population.

Meaning that a prison population of 6.1% would be more than 3 times the representative demographic of which you speak.

I don't know where you get your statistics from, do you make them up?
No, i dont throw around made up facts with that old chestnut, "we all know ...",

Thats your speciality, and your freinds like 1000 times, why dont you tell Mr Singh its 3 times - put his mind to rest.

And again - see gaurdian study of 1 million court cases and sentencing.

The study showed disparity in sentencing of aisan offenders of upto 44% versus white offenders for the same crime.

Thats about 4 times!

lol!
And on the subject of Asians, that still doesn't explain why the stats for Hindus and Sikhs are normal.

Just a thought but maybe they are more law abiding than Muslims? They sure integrate better.
[quote][p][bold]thingybob68[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: Mr Thingyknob, according to the 2011 Census the percentage for Asian/Asian British : Pakistani was 2% of the total population. Meaning that a prison population of 6.1% would be more than 3 times the representative demographic of which you speak. I don't know where you get your statistics from, do you make them up?[/p][/quote]No, i dont throw around made up facts with that old chestnut, "we all know ...", Thats your speciality, and your freinds like 1000 times, why dont you tell Mr Singh its 3 times - put his mind to rest. And again - see gaurdian study of 1 million court cases and sentencing. The study showed disparity in sentencing of aisan offenders of upto 44% versus white offenders for the same crime. Thats about 4 times! lol![/p][/quote]And on the subject of Asians, that still doesn't explain why the stats for Hindus and Sikhs are normal. Just a thought but maybe they are more law abiding than Muslims? They sure integrate better. SinnerSaint
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6:24pm Wed 23 Jan 13

thingybob68 says...

SinnerSaint wrote:
Changing the goalposts again. Tut tut!

And again Google "Drug dealer Bradford"

Super LOL! The picture of the girl is my favourite!
The goal posts havent moved anywhere, you introduced the 12% stat trying to infer muslims, (code for pakistanis) where more likley to commit crime.

I pointed out that they were more likely to be sentenced to prison, by upto 4 times compared to a white person for the same crime.

Thus accounting for the disproprtionate number in jails.

Its not my fault you dont know how to structure or make an argument and start changing the subject everytime you get stumped.
[quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: Changing the goalposts again. Tut tut! And again Google "Drug dealer Bradford" Super LOL! The picture of the girl is my favourite![/p][/quote]The goal posts havent moved anywhere, you introduced the 12% stat trying to infer muslims, (code for pakistanis) where more likley to commit crime. I pointed out that they were more likely to be sentenced to prison, by upto 4 times compared to a white person for the same crime. Thus accounting for the disproprtionate number in jails. Its not my fault you dont know how to structure or make an argument and start changing the subject everytime you get stumped. thingybob68
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6:26pm Wed 23 Jan 13

thingybob68 says...

SinnerSaint wrote:
thingybob68 wrote:
SinnerSaint wrote:
Mr Thingyknob, according to the 2011 Census the percentage for Asian/Asian British : Pakistani was 2% of the total population.

Meaning that a prison population of 6.1% would be more than 3 times the representative demographic of which you speak.

I don't know where you get your statistics from, do you make them up?
No, i dont throw around made up facts with that old chestnut, "we all know ...",

Thats your speciality, and your freinds like 1000 times, why dont you tell Mr Singh its 3 times - put his mind to rest.

And again - see gaurdian study of 1 million court cases and sentencing.

The study showed disparity in sentencing of aisan offenders of upto 44% versus white offenders for the same crime.

Thats about 4 times!

lol!
And on the subject of Asians, that still doesn't explain why the stats for Hindus and Sikhs are normal.

Just a thought but maybe they are more law abiding than Muslims? They sure integrate better.
and what about black people?
[quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thingybob68[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: Mr Thingyknob, according to the 2011 Census the percentage for Asian/Asian British : Pakistani was 2% of the total population. Meaning that a prison population of 6.1% would be more than 3 times the representative demographic of which you speak. I don't know where you get your statistics from, do you make them up?[/p][/quote]No, i dont throw around made up facts with that old chestnut, "we all know ...", Thats your speciality, and your freinds like 1000 times, why dont you tell Mr Singh its 3 times - put his mind to rest. And again - see gaurdian study of 1 million court cases and sentencing. The study showed disparity in sentencing of aisan offenders of upto 44% versus white offenders for the same crime. Thats about 4 times! lol![/p][/quote]And on the subject of Asians, that still doesn't explain why the stats for Hindus and Sikhs are normal. Just a thought but maybe they are more law abiding than Muslims? They sure integrate better.[/p][/quote]and what about black people? thingybob68
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6:42pm Wed 23 Jan 13

GlobalSingh says...

Honesty and 'Freedom Of Speech' will not GO! we say what we say calmly and honestly in a Democracy ...The number one topic in Bradford and the entire United Kingdom is 'immigration' and particularly ONE community's monopoly on Corruption at every level of existence!...Bradfor
d is a British City lest we forget! which deserves a better image and reputation, because decent,law abiding people live here too!
Honesty and 'Freedom Of Speech' will not GO! we say what we say calmly and honestly in a Democracy ...The number one topic in Bradford and the entire United Kingdom is 'immigration' and particularly ONE community's monopoly on Corruption at every level of existence!...Bradfor d is a British City lest we forget! which deserves a better image and reputation, because decent,law abiding people live here too! GlobalSingh
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6:58pm Wed 23 Jan 13

SinnerSaint says...

Stumped LOL!

It couldn't possibly be thst 12.5% of prison inmates are from that religious calling because they commit a disproportionate number of imprisonable offences could it?

NO! There has to be some kind of anti-Asian conspiracy within our legal system. But HOLD ON! What about the Hindus and Sikhs??!! LOL!

You're so funny! You ARE the Martin Lawrence character in Boomerang!!! LMAO!!! Boom!

Over and out... you poor deluded, in denial man.
Stumped LOL! It couldn't possibly be thst 12.5% of prison inmates are from that religious calling because they commit a disproportionate number of imprisonable offences could it? NO! There has to be some kind of anti-Asian conspiracy within our legal system. But HOLD ON! What about the Hindus and Sikhs??!! LOL! You're so funny! You ARE the Martin Lawrence character in Boomerang!!! LMAO!!! Boom! Over and out... you poor deluded, in denial man. SinnerSaint
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7:13pm Wed 23 Jan 13

thingybob68 says...

GlobalSingh wrote:
Honesty and 'Freedom Of Speech' will not GO! we say what we say calmly and honestly in a Democracy ...The number one topic in Bradford and the entire United Kingdom is 'immigration' and particularly ONE community's monopoly on Corruption at every level of existence!...Bradfor

d is a British City lest we forget! which deserves a better image and reputation, because decent,law abiding people live here too!
Its not honesty mr singh, but it is freedom of speech.

afterall your 1000 times ratio was pulled out of your behind - which wasnt really very honest since it had no foundation in truth.

It was simply your opinion.

If you want to discuss crime and which areas are more crimninal than others, there are far better points of referance than google or the t&a.

Like the official home office stats from west yorkshire police on recorded crime.

http://www.police.uk
/crime/?q=Bradford,%
20West%20Yorkshire%2
0BD10,%20UK#crimetyp
es/2012-11

Just type in any postcode and you can get an overview of monthy recorded crimes.

By and large most deprived areas have roughly the same amount of crime with some areas having more in certain areas such as ASB (anti social behaviour), council areas like wibsey, queensbuiry holmewood have higher than normal amounts of ASB and so on.

No issues with you expressing your opinion Mr Singh, regardless of how hysterical you get, but do remember its is just your opinion.

Unless youd care to prove your 1000 ratio is fact and not just hysterical ramblings.

A mind is a wonderful thing Mr Singh, dont waste yours.

Remember, Ommm!
[quote][p][bold]GlobalSingh[/bold] wrote: Honesty and 'Freedom Of Speech' will not GO! we say what we say calmly and honestly in a Democracy ...The number one topic in Bradford and the entire United Kingdom is 'immigration' and particularly ONE community's monopoly on Corruption at every level of existence!...Bradfor d is a British City lest we forget! which deserves a better image and reputation, because decent,law abiding people live here too![/p][/quote]Its not honesty mr singh, but it is freedom of speech. afterall your 1000 times ratio was pulled out of your behind - which wasnt really very honest since it had no foundation in truth. It was simply your opinion. If you want to discuss crime and which areas are more crimninal than others, there are far better points of referance than google or the t&a. Like the official home office stats from west yorkshire police on recorded crime. http://www.police.uk /crime/?q=Bradford,% 20West%20Yorkshire%2 0BD10,%20UK#crimetyp es/2012-11 Just type in any postcode and you can get an overview of monthy recorded crimes. By and large most deprived areas have roughly the same amount of crime with some areas having more in certain areas such as ASB (anti social behaviour), council areas like wibsey, queensbuiry holmewood have higher than normal amounts of ASB and so on. No issues with you expressing your opinion Mr Singh, regardless of how hysterical you get, but do remember its is just your opinion. Unless youd care to prove your 1000 ratio is fact and not just hysterical ramblings. A mind is a wonderful thing Mr Singh, dont waste yours. Remember, Ommm! thingybob68
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7:18pm Wed 23 Jan 13

thingybob68 says...

SinnerSaint wrote:
Stumped LOL!

It couldn't possibly be thst 12.5% of prison inmates are from that religious calling because they commit a disproportionate number of imprisonable offences could it?

NO! There has to be some kind of anti-Asian conspiracy within our legal system. But HOLD ON! What about the Hindus and Sikhs??!! LOL!

You're so funny! You ARE the Martin Lawrence character in Boomerang!!! LMAO!!! Boom!

Over and out... you poor deluded, in denial man.
Sorry, was there a point in there, or are you just running your mouth off again?

Study of 1 million cases - asians 4 times as likley to be given custodial sentences than white offenders on the same crimes.

Not my accusations but observations from an independant study of 1 million cases.

Or do you think black people are more desposed to crime?

tut tut.
[quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: Stumped LOL! It couldn't possibly be thst 12.5% of prison inmates are from that religious calling because they commit a disproportionate number of imprisonable offences could it? NO! There has to be some kind of anti-Asian conspiracy within our legal system. But HOLD ON! What about the Hindus and Sikhs??!! LOL! You're so funny! You ARE the Martin Lawrence character in Boomerang!!! LMAO!!! Boom! Over and out... you poor deluded, in denial man.[/p][/quote]Sorry, was there a point in there, or are you just running your mouth off again? Study of 1 million cases - asians 4 times as likley to be given custodial sentences than white offenders on the same crimes. Not my accusations but observations from an independant study of 1 million cases. Or do you think black people are more desposed to crime? tut tut. thingybob68
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9:16pm Wed 23 Jan 13

SinnerSaint says...

What you are failing to mention about your precious article my delusional friend is that at the end of it, one of the country's foremost experts on criminology has said that the findings don't prove or disprove anything.

This is because the data is raw and doesn't take into consideration early guilty pleas which would usually mean a more lenient sentence. It doesn't take into consideration prior criminal records. It is basically a typical Guardianista, airy fairy, nanny pamby, social liberal leaning article that we expect from this newspaper.

A leading expert on Criminology says it proves or disproves nothing. Yet little old deluded you knows better? LOL!!

Try harder next time dear.
What you are failing to mention about your precious article my delusional friend is that at the end of it, one of the country's foremost experts on criminology has said that the findings don't prove or disprove anything. This is because the data is raw and doesn't take into consideration early guilty pleas which would usually mean a more lenient sentence. It doesn't take into consideration prior criminal records. It is basically a typical Guardianista, airy fairy, nanny pamby, social liberal leaning article that we expect from this newspaper. A leading expert on Criminology says it proves or disproves nothing. Yet little old deluded you knows better? LOL!! Try harder next time dear. SinnerSaint
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2:09am Thu 24 Jan 13

GlobalSingh says...

Are all these immigrant criminals convicted by the UK Authorities for a joke or to make up the numbers? or are they ACTUALLY commiting the crimes they are sentenced for? the nature of some of them i can't even perceive in any way possible! And why if we as British Citizens cite our disgust or concerns at these wicked,devious and deranged individuals are our comments disagreed with!... is it because of 'tribalism' ? As long as they belong to 'your' tribe and no matter what they do, even lie, cheat, steal, murder, rape and pillage! it is fine because they belong to YOUR tribe and they are your brothers who can do NO WRONG and that is YOUR 'received wisdom' ...Decent people are fair and if it was 'green' immigrant criminals causing so much damage to the fabric of our society and to community relations then we would objectively be commenting about vile 'green' immigrant criminals on this post about UK Border Agency making
over 250 raids in Bradford!
Are all these immigrant criminals convicted by the UK Authorities for a joke or to make up the numbers? or are they ACTUALLY commiting the crimes they are sentenced for? the nature of some of them i can't even perceive in any way possible! And why if we as British Citizens cite our disgust or concerns at these wicked,devious and deranged individuals are our comments disagreed with!... is it because of 'tribalism' ? As long as they belong to 'your' tribe and no matter what they do, even lie, cheat, steal, murder, rape and pillage! it is fine because they belong to YOUR tribe and they are your brothers who can do NO WRONG and that is YOUR 'received wisdom' ...Decent people are fair and if it was 'green' immigrant criminals causing so much damage to the fabric of our society and to community relations then we would objectively be commenting about vile 'green' immigrant criminals on this post about UK Border Agency making over 250 raids in Bradford! GlobalSingh
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8:34am Thu 24 Jan 13

Gabbysgran says...

All these illegals are doing jobs that BRITISH people should be doing and don't bother saying "British people don want to do them" they should be told - "do them or get your benefits stopped!" No illegals in this country full stop - and make it a hell of a lot more dificult to be a legal one too - we are bursting at the seams!
All these illegals are doing jobs that BRITISH people should be doing and don't bother saying "British people don want to do them" they should be told - "do them or get your benefits stopped!" No illegals in this country full stop - and make it a hell of a lot more dificult to be a legal one too - we are bursting at the seams! Gabbysgran
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9:52am Thu 24 Jan 13

Gabbysgran says...

and whilst we are on the subject of Asians/Muslims - will people please stop tarring them all with the same brush. Sikhs/Hindus seem to want to integrate and be British, quite a lot of Muslims seem to want to change this country into an Islamic republic run by Sharia Law.
and whilst we are on the subject of Asians/Muslims - will people please stop tarring them all with the same brush. Sikhs/Hindus seem to want to integrate and be British, quite a lot of Muslims seem to want to change this country into an Islamic republic run by Sharia Law. Gabbysgran
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12:09pm Thu 24 Jan 13

Andy2010 says...

Gabbysgran wrote:
and whilst we are on the subject of Asians/Muslims - will people please stop tarring them all with the same brush. Sikhs/Hindus seem to want to integrate and be British, quite a lot of Muslims seem to want to change this country into an Islamic republic run by Sharia Law.
I dont think anyone has a problem with Sikh and Hindu's as you put it they have intergreted into British society and contribute greatly. Also we dont have their faiths rammed down our throats at every opportunity
[quote][p][bold]Gabbysgran[/bold] wrote: and whilst we are on the subject of Asians/Muslims - will people please stop tarring them all with the same brush. Sikhs/Hindus seem to want to integrate and be British, quite a lot of Muslims seem to want to change this country into an Islamic republic run by Sharia Law.[/p][/quote]I dont think anyone has a problem with Sikh and Hindu's as you put it they have intergreted into British society and contribute greatly. Also we dont have their faiths rammed down our throats at every opportunity Andy2010
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12:14pm Thu 24 Jan 13

Iftikhar says...

Gabbysgran says...
9:52am Thu 24 Jan 13

and whilst we are on the subject of Asians/Muslims - will people please stop tarring them all with the same brush. Sikhs/Hindus seem to want to integrate and be British, quite a lot of Muslims seem to want to change this country into an Islamic republic run by Sharia Law.”


Now Hindu and Sikh communities are trying to set up schools for their own children with their own teachers. Even Black British community is thinking of setting up schools with their own teachers.

The silent majority of Muslim parents would like to send their children to state funded Muslim schools. They are not extremists who want to change of ethos of those schools where Muslim children are in majority. It is the democratic right of every Muslim parent to see that their children receive balanced education, so that when their children grow up, they do not find themselves cut off from their cultural roots and linguistic skills. It is a question of common sense, humanity and reason that bilingual Muslim children must be educated in state funded Muslim schools with bilingual Muslim teachers as role models during their developmental periods. The whole world believes that people who speak more than one language is a vital economic asset. Pupils who speak more than one language do not cause difficulties. It is the politicians and monolingual teachers who are the problems for bilingual pupils. Muslim school will help to cultivate the child into a healthy, fully flourishing individual with a passion for learning. There are hundreds of state and church schools where Muslim children are in majority. In my opinion, all such schools may be opted out as Muslim Academies.

Does it mean that they do not want to integrate? They are cocerned with the education of their children. It is nothing to do with integration or segregation.
Gabbysgran says... 9:52am Thu 24 Jan 13 and whilst we are on the subject of Asians/Muslims - will people please stop tarring them all with the same brush. Sikhs/Hindus seem to want to integrate and be British, quite a lot of Muslims seem to want to change this country into an Islamic republic run by Sharia Law.” Now Hindu and Sikh communities are trying to set up schools for their own children with their own teachers. Even Black British community is thinking of setting up schools with their own teachers. The silent majority of Muslim parents would like to send their children to state funded Muslim schools. They are not extremists who want to change of ethos of those schools where Muslim children are in majority. It is the democratic right of every Muslim parent to see that their children receive balanced education, so that when their children grow up, they do not find themselves cut off from their cultural roots and linguistic skills. It is a question of common sense, humanity and reason that bilingual Muslim children must be educated in state funded Muslim schools with bilingual Muslim teachers as role models during their developmental periods. The whole world believes that people who speak more than one language is a vital economic asset. Pupils who speak more than one language do not cause difficulties. It is the politicians and monolingual teachers who are the problems for bilingual pupils. Muslim school will help to cultivate the child into a healthy, fully flourishing individual with a passion for learning. There are hundreds of state and church schools where Muslim children are in majority. In my opinion, all such schools may be opted out as Muslim Academies. Does it mean that they do not want to integrate? They are cocerned with the education of their children. It is nothing to do with integration or segregation. Iftikhar
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12:16pm Thu 24 Jan 13

Iftikhar says...

Speaking English does not promote integration into British, American and Australian societies, and broaden opportunities. English speaking Muslim youths are angry, frustrated and extremist, thanks to state schools with monolingual non-Muslim teachers and English language. English language is not only a lingua franca but also lingua frankensteinia. Human right are also covers linguistic right. Cultural and linguistic genocide are very common. British schooling is murdering community languages like Arabic, Urdu and others. English is today the world killer language. Linguistic genocide is a crime against humanity and British schooling is guilty of committing this crime. Language is not just a language. It defines one’s culture, identity and consciousness. It defines how we think, communicate and express ourselves. The fact is the most South Asian Muslims have come to know Islam by way of Urdu, the children’s alienation from the language that connects them the heritage of their parents and grand parents is disturbing. As a matter of fact, one has to get to know his mother tongue well if one is to master any other language
Iftikhar Ahmad
http://www.londonsch
oolofislamics.org.uk

IA
Speaking English does not promote integration into British, American and Australian societies, and broaden opportunities. English speaking Muslim youths are angry, frustrated and extremist, thanks to state schools with monolingual non-Muslim teachers and English language. English language is not only a lingua franca but also lingua frankensteinia. Human right are also covers linguistic right. Cultural and linguistic genocide are very common. British schooling is murdering community languages like Arabic, Urdu and others. English is today the world killer language. Linguistic genocide is a crime against humanity and British schooling is guilty of committing this crime. Language is not just a language. It defines one’s culture, identity and consciousness. It defines how we think, communicate and express ourselves. The fact is the most South Asian Muslims have come to know Islam by way of Urdu, the children’s alienation from the language that connects them the heritage of their parents and grand parents is disturbing. As a matter of fact, one has to get to know his mother tongue well if one is to master any other language Iftikhar Ahmad http://www.londonsch oolofislamics.org.uk IA Iftikhar
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12:26pm Thu 24 Jan 13

Andy2010 says...

Iftikhar wrote:
Speaking English does not promote integration into British, American and Australian societies, and broaden opportunities. English speaking Muslim youths are angry, frustrated and extremist, thanks to state schools with monolingual non-Muslim teachers and English language. English language is not only a lingua franca but also lingua frankensteinia. Human right are also covers linguistic right. Cultural and linguistic genocide are very common. British schooling is murdering community languages like Arabic, Urdu and others. English is today the world killer language. Linguistic genocide is a crime against humanity and British schooling is guilty of committing this crime. Language is not just a language. It defines one’s culture, identity and consciousness. It defines how we think, communicate and express ourselves. The fact is the most South Asian Muslims have come to know Islam by way of Urdu, the children’s alienation from the language that connects them the heritage of their parents and grand parents is disturbing. As a matter of fact, one has to get to know his mother tongue well if one is to master any other language
Iftikhar Ahmad
http://www.londonsch

oolofislamics.org.uk


IA
Do you live in England? Are your Muslim children educated in England ? Is this paid for by the English Government?

Therefore being in England your children should be educated as English children. Of course they have a right to belief whatever religion they want but education is standardised for a reason.

For gods sake no doubt you would rather girls be banned from an education as well.

If you dont like it feel free to go live in an Islamic country and educate them there but whilst in this CHRISTIAN country either get in line or ship out
[quote][p][bold]Iftikhar[/bold] wrote: Speaking English does not promote integration into British, American and Australian societies, and broaden opportunities. English speaking Muslim youths are angry, frustrated and extremist, thanks to state schools with monolingual non-Muslim teachers and English language. English language is not only a lingua franca but also lingua frankensteinia. Human right are also covers linguistic right. Cultural and linguistic genocide are very common. British schooling is murdering community languages like Arabic, Urdu and others. English is today the world killer language. Linguistic genocide is a crime against humanity and British schooling is guilty of committing this crime. Language is not just a language. It defines one’s culture, identity and consciousness. It defines how we think, communicate and express ourselves. The fact is the most South Asian Muslims have come to know Islam by way of Urdu, the children’s alienation from the language that connects them the heritage of their parents and grand parents is disturbing. As a matter of fact, one has to get to know his mother tongue well if one is to master any other language Iftikhar Ahmad http://www.londonsch oolofislamics.org.uk IA[/p][/quote]Do you live in England? Are your Muslim children educated in England ? Is this paid for by the English Government? Therefore being in England your children should be educated as English children. Of course they have a right to belief whatever religion they want but education is standardised for a reason. For gods sake no doubt you would rather girls be banned from an education as well. If you dont like it feel free to go live in an Islamic country and educate them there but whilst in this CHRISTIAN country either get in line or ship out Andy2010
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12:47pm Thu 24 Jan 13

Iftikhar says...

The medium of instruction in Muslim schools is English. Bilingual Muslim children need to learn and be well versed in standard Englsih to follow the Natioanl Curriculum and go for higher studies and research to serve humanity. At the same time they need to learn and be well versed in Arabic, Urdu and other community languages to keep in touch with their cultural heritage and enjoy the beauty of their literature and poetry.

A muslim is a citizen of this tiny global village. He/she does not want to become notoriously monolingual Brit.
IA
The medium of instruction in Muslim schools is English. Bilingual Muslim children need to learn and be well versed in standard Englsih to follow the Natioanl Curriculum and go for higher studies and research to serve humanity. At the same time they need to learn and be well versed in Arabic, Urdu and other community languages to keep in touch with their cultural heritage and enjoy the beauty of their literature and poetry. A muslim is a citizen of this tiny global village. He/she does not want to become notoriously monolingual Brit. IA Iftikhar
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12:51pm Thu 24 Jan 13

SinnerSaint says...

British schooling is murdering community languages like Urdu and Arabic?

There's a simple solution to that. Take your children to a country where Arabic or Urdu is the mother tongue and have them educated there.

Would I settle in France or Italy for economic reasons and expect the state schools to educate my children in English? Of course not.

But then I don't want everything my own way like some people.
British schooling is murdering community languages like Urdu and Arabic? There's a simple solution to that. Take your children to a country where Arabic or Urdu is the mother tongue and have them educated there. Would I settle in France or Italy for economic reasons and expect the state schools to educate my children in English? Of course not. But then I don't want everything my own way like some people. SinnerSaint
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1:59pm Thu 24 Jan 13

Andy2010 says...

SinnerSaint wrote:
British schooling is murdering community languages like Urdu and Arabic?

There's a simple solution to that. Take your children to a country where Arabic or Urdu is the mother tongue and have them educated there.

Would I settle in France or Italy for economic reasons and expect the state schools to educate my children in English? Of course not.

But then I don't want everything my own way like some people.
well said
[quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: British schooling is murdering community languages like Urdu and Arabic? There's a simple solution to that. Take your children to a country where Arabic or Urdu is the mother tongue and have them educated there. Would I settle in France or Italy for economic reasons and expect the state schools to educate my children in English? Of course not. But then I don't want everything my own way like some people.[/p][/quote]well said Andy2010
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2:35pm Thu 24 Jan 13

Outraged English Subject says...

The comments above have absolutely no representation to my day to day experiences in the Bradford district. Nor in any part of Yorkshire or indeed England. These seem to be the views of extreme people from none or different religions, (such rhetoric does indefinable damage to the City) and are very much in the minority. I do hope that any national or international reader of this thread is conscious of this and that in no way do these people represent anything to do with the City/area. Multiculturalism is much more than religion. I see multiculturalism daily thriving and resilient throughout my Country, which puts a smile on my face and makes us all the stronger.
The comments above have absolutely no representation to my day to day experiences in the Bradford district. Nor in any part of Yorkshire or indeed England. These seem to be the views of extreme people from none or different religions, (such rhetoric does indefinable damage to the City) and are very much in the minority. I do hope that any national or international reader of this thread is conscious of this and that in no way do these people represent anything to do with the City/area. Multiculturalism is much more than religion. I see multiculturalism daily thriving and resilient throughout my Country, which puts a smile on my face and makes us all the stronger. Outraged English Subject
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2:56pm Thu 24 Jan 13

Andy2010 says...

Outraged English Subject wrote:
The comments above have absolutely no representation to my day to day experiences in the Bradford district. Nor in any part of Yorkshire or indeed England. These seem to be the views of extreme people from none or different religions, (such rhetoric does indefinable damage to the City) and are very much in the minority. I do hope that any national or international reader of this thread is conscious of this and that in no way do these people represent anything to do with the City/area. Multiculturalism is much more than religion. I see multiculturalism daily thriving and resilient throughout my Country, which puts a smile on my face and makes us all the stronger.
lol
[quote][p][bold]Outraged English Subject[/bold] wrote: The comments above have absolutely no representation to my day to day experiences in the Bradford district. Nor in any part of Yorkshire or indeed England. These seem to be the views of extreme people from none or different religions, (such rhetoric does indefinable damage to the City) and are very much in the minority. I do hope that any national or international reader of this thread is conscious of this and that in no way do these people represent anything to do with the City/area. Multiculturalism is much more than religion. I see multiculturalism daily thriving and resilient throughout my Country, which puts a smile on my face and makes us all the stronger.[/p][/quote]lol Andy2010
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3:01pm Thu 24 Jan 13

SinnerSaint says...

If you're an international reader, feel free to come here and experience it for yourself. It's exactly like Outraged English Subject says and more:

People of different cultures skip hand in hand down the litter free streets where crime, drugs and shootings haven't happened in over 200 years. You can shop for top designer brands in the beautifully maintained city centre without fear of beggars, drunks or leering idiots because they just don't exist here in the Utopia we call Bradford.

The inner city is a wonderful multicultural urban area, with well maintained properties and beautifully manicured gardens where welcoming faces of all nationalities will bid you good day with a smile.

Oh, the streets are paved with gold too :-) Come to Bradford!

Alternatively, read the news articles in this newspaper and make up your own mind.
If you're an international reader, feel free to come here and experience it for yourself. It's exactly like Outraged English Subject says and more: People of different cultures skip hand in hand down the litter free streets where crime, drugs and shootings haven't happened in over 200 years. You can shop for top designer brands in the beautifully maintained city centre without fear of beggars, drunks or leering idiots because they just don't exist here in the Utopia we call Bradford. The inner city is a wonderful multicultural urban area, with well maintained properties and beautifully manicured gardens where welcoming faces of all nationalities will bid you good day with a smile. Oh, the streets are paved with gold too :-) Come to Bradford! Alternatively, read the news articles in this newspaper and make up your own mind. SinnerSaint
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3:03pm Thu 24 Jan 13

Outraged English Subject says...

The comments above have absolutely no representation to my day to day experiences in the Bradford district. Nor in any part of Yorkshire or indeed England. These seem to be the views of extreme people from none or different religions, (such rhetoric does indefinable damage to the City) and are very much in the minority. I do hope that any national or international reader of this thread is conscious of this and that in no way do these people represent anything to do with the City/area. Multiculturalism is much more than religion. I see multiculturalism daily thriving and resilient throughout my Country, which puts a smile on my face and makes us all the stronger.
The comments above have absolutely no representation to my day to day experiences in the Bradford district. Nor in any part of Yorkshire or indeed England. These seem to be the views of extreme people from none or different religions, (such rhetoric does indefinable damage to the City) and are very much in the minority. I do hope that any national or international reader of this thread is conscious of this and that in no way do these people represent anything to do with the City/area. Multiculturalism is much more than religion. I see multiculturalism daily thriving and resilient throughout my Country, which puts a smile on my face and makes us all the stronger. Outraged English Subject
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3:29pm Thu 24 Jan 13

Andy2010 says...

Outraged English Subject wrote:
The comments above have absolutely no representation to my day to day experiences in the Bradford district. Nor in any part of Yorkshire or indeed England. These seem to be the views of extreme people from none or different religions, (such rhetoric does indefinable damage to the City) and are very much in the minority. I do hope that any national or international reader of this thread is conscious of this and that in no way do these people represent anything to do with the City/area. Multiculturalism is much more than religion. I see multiculturalism daily thriving and resilient throughout my Country, which puts a smile on my face and makes us all the stronger.
Let me correct your post for you

"The comments above are absolutely an exact picture of my day to day experiences in the Bradford district. These seem to be the views of residents of Bradford people that have lived here all their lives and seen this once great city ruined by both the council and immigration. I do hope that any national or international reader of this thread is conscious of this and on your head be it should you wish to visit Bradford. Multiculturalism is much more than religion its a complete disaster. I see multiculturalism daily thriving in Bradford outside the Job centre and numerous gold shop and bookies., which puts a smile on my face and makes us all fear for the future"
[quote][p][bold]Outraged English Subject[/bold] wrote: The comments above have absolutely no representation to my day to day experiences in the Bradford district. Nor in any part of Yorkshire or indeed England. These seem to be the views of extreme people from none or different religions, (such rhetoric does indefinable damage to the City) and are very much in the minority. I do hope that any national or international reader of this thread is conscious of this and that in no way do these people represent anything to do with the City/area. Multiculturalism is much more than religion. I see multiculturalism daily thriving and resilient throughout my Country, which puts a smile on my face and makes us all the stronger.[/p][/quote]Let me correct your post for you "The comments above are absolutely an exact picture of my day to day experiences in the Bradford district. These seem to be the views of residents of Bradford people that have lived here all their lives and seen this once great city ruined by both the council and immigration. I do hope that any national or international reader of this thread is conscious of this and on your head be it should you wish to visit Bradford. Multiculturalism is much more than religion its a complete disaster. I see multiculturalism daily thriving in Bradford outside the Job centre and numerous gold shop and bookies., which puts a smile on my face and makes us all fear for the future" Andy2010
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3:44pm Thu 24 Jan 13

Outraged English Subject says...

The comments above have absolutely no representation to my day to day experiences in the Bradford district. Nor in any part of Yorkshire or indeed England. These seem to be the views of extreme people from none or different religions, (such rhetoric does indefinable damage to the City) and are very much in the minority. I do hope that any national or international reader of this thread is conscious of this and that in no way do these people represent anything to do with the City/area. Multiculturalism is much more than religion. I see multiculturalism daily thriving and resilient throughout my Country, which puts a smile on my face and makes us all the stronger.
The comments above have absolutely no representation to my day to day experiences in the Bradford district. Nor in any part of Yorkshire or indeed England. These seem to be the views of extreme people from none or different religions, (such rhetoric does indefinable damage to the City) and are very much in the minority. I do hope that any national or international reader of this thread is conscious of this and that in no way do these people represent anything to do with the City/area. Multiculturalism is much more than religion. I see multiculturalism daily thriving and resilient throughout my Country, which puts a smile on my face and makes us all the stronger. Outraged English Subject
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4:20pm Thu 24 Jan 13

Andy2010 says...

Outraged English Subject wrote:
The comments above have absolutely no representation to my day to day experiences in the Bradford district. Nor in any part of Yorkshire or indeed England. These seem to be the views of extreme people from none or different religions, (such rhetoric does indefinable damage to the City) and are very much in the minority. I do hope that any national or international reader of this thread is conscious of this and that in no way do these people represent anything to do with the City/area. Multiculturalism is much more than religion. I see multiculturalism daily thriving and resilient throughout my Country, which puts a smile on my face and makes us all the stronger.
Let me correct your post for you

"The comments above are absolutely an exact picture of my day to day experiences in the Bradford district. These seem to be the views of residents of Bradford people that have lived here all their lives and seen this once great city ruined by both the council and immigration. I do hope that any national or international reader of this thread is conscious of this and on your head be it should you wish to visit Bradford. Multiculturalism is much more than religion its a complete disaster. I see multiculturalism daily thriving in Bradford outside the Job centre and numerous gold shop and bookies., which puts a smile on my face and makes us all fear for the future"
[quote][p][bold]Outraged English Subject[/bold] wrote: The comments above have absolutely no representation to my day to day experiences in the Bradford district. Nor in any part of Yorkshire or indeed England. These seem to be the views of extreme people from none or different religions, (such rhetoric does indefinable damage to the City) and are very much in the minority. I do hope that any national or international reader of this thread is conscious of this and that in no way do these people represent anything to do with the City/area. Multiculturalism is much more than religion. I see multiculturalism daily thriving and resilient throughout my Country, which puts a smile on my face and makes us all the stronger.[/p][/quote]Let me correct your post for you "The comments above are absolutely an exact picture of my day to day experiences in the Bradford district. These seem to be the views of residents of Bradford people that have lived here all their lives and seen this once great city ruined by both the council and immigration. I do hope that any national or international reader of this thread is conscious of this and on your head be it should you wish to visit Bradford. Multiculturalism is much more than religion its a complete disaster. I see multiculturalism daily thriving in Bradford outside the Job centre and numerous gold shop and bookies., which puts a smile on my face and makes us all fear for the future" Andy2010
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4:43pm Thu 24 Jan 13

thingybob68 says...

Andy2010 wrote:
Outraged English Subject wrote:
The comments above have absolutely no representation to my day to day experiences in the Bradford district. Nor in any part of Yorkshire or indeed England. These seem to be the views of extreme people from none or different religions, (such rhetoric does indefinable damage to the City) and are very much in the minority. I do hope that any national or international reader of this thread is conscious of this and that in no way do these people represent anything to do with the City/area. Multiculturalism is much more than religion. I see multiculturalism daily thriving and resilient throughout my Country, which puts a smile on my face and makes us all the stronger.
Let me correct your post for you

"The comments above are absolutely an exact picture of my day to day experiences in the Bradford district. These seem to be the views of residents of Bradford people that have lived here all their lives and seen this once great city ruined by both the council and immigration. I do hope that any national or international reader of this thread is conscious of this and on your head be it should you wish to visit Bradford. Multiculturalism is much more than religion its a complete disaster. I see multiculturalism daily thriving in Bradford outside the Job centre and numerous gold shop and bookies., which puts a smile on my face and makes us all fear for the future"
I know you like to use the headlines and leading stories of this paper yto form your "perceptions" andy, instead of actual crime figues which are readily available online and can be searched by postcode as well.

But here's another drug dealing gang that wasnt so prominently featured in the t&a today.

http://www.thetelegr
aphandargus.co.uk/ne
ws/local/localbrad/1
0180288.Drugs_brothe
rs_must_repay___200_
000_of_ill_gotten_ga
ins/
[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Outraged English Subject[/bold] wrote: The comments above have absolutely no representation to my day to day experiences in the Bradford district. Nor in any part of Yorkshire or indeed England. These seem to be the views of extreme people from none or different religions, (such rhetoric does indefinable damage to the City) and are very much in the minority. I do hope that any national or international reader of this thread is conscious of this and that in no way do these people represent anything to do with the City/area. Multiculturalism is much more than religion. I see multiculturalism daily thriving and resilient throughout my Country, which puts a smile on my face and makes us all the stronger.[/p][/quote]Let me correct your post for you "The comments above are absolutely an exact picture of my day to day experiences in the Bradford district. These seem to be the views of residents of Bradford people that have lived here all their lives and seen this once great city ruined by both the council and immigration. I do hope that any national or international reader of this thread is conscious of this and on your head be it should you wish to visit Bradford. Multiculturalism is much more than religion its a complete disaster. I see multiculturalism daily thriving in Bradford outside the Job centre and numerous gold shop and bookies., which puts a smile on my face and makes us all fear for the future"[/p][/quote]I know you like to use the headlines and leading stories of this paper yto form your "perceptions" andy, instead of actual crime figues which are readily available online and can be searched by postcode as well. But here's another drug dealing gang that wasnt so prominently featured in the t&a today. http://www.thetelegr aphandargus.co.uk/ne ws/local/localbrad/1 0180288.Drugs_brothe rs_must_repay___200_ 000_of_ill_gotten_ga ins/ thingybob68
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4:59pm Thu 24 Jan 13

Andy2010 says...

thingybob68 wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
Outraged English Subject wrote:
The comments above have absolutely no representation to my day to day experiences in the Bradford district. Nor in any part of Yorkshire or indeed England. These seem to be the views of extreme people from none or different religions, (such rhetoric does indefinable damage to the City) and are very much in the minority. I do hope that any national or international reader of this thread is conscious of this and that in no way do these people represent anything to do with the City/area. Multiculturalism is much more than religion. I see multiculturalism daily thriving and resilient throughout my Country, which puts a smile on my face and makes us all the stronger.
Let me correct your post for you

"The comments above are absolutely an exact picture of my day to day experiences in the Bradford district. These seem to be the views of residents of Bradford people that have lived here all their lives and seen this once great city ruined by both the council and immigration. I do hope that any national or international reader of this thread is conscious of this and on your head be it should you wish to visit Bradford. Multiculturalism is much more than religion its a complete disaster. I see multiculturalism daily thriving in Bradford outside the Job centre and numerous gold shop and bookies., which puts a smile on my face and makes us all fear for the future"
I know you like to use the headlines and leading stories of this paper yto form your "perceptions" andy, instead of actual crime figues which are readily available online and can be searched by postcode as well.

But here's another drug dealing gang that wasnt so prominently featured in the t&a today.

http://www.thetelegr

aphandargus.co.uk/ne

ws/local/localbrad/1

0180288.Drugs_brothe

rs_must_repay___200_

000_of_ill_gotten_ga

ins/
Cheers that that...they deserve to be strung up

Like these two

http://www.thetelegr
aphandargus.co.uk/ne
ws/10178025.Court_to
ld_men_raped_young_g
irls_they_plied_with
_drink/?ref=mr
[quote][p][bold]thingybob68[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Outraged English Subject[/bold] wrote: The comments above have absolutely no representation to my day to day experiences in the Bradford district. Nor in any part of Yorkshire or indeed England. These seem to be the views of extreme people from none or different religions, (such rhetoric does indefinable damage to the City) and are very much in the minority. I do hope that any national or international reader of this thread is conscious of this and that in no way do these people represent anything to do with the City/area. Multiculturalism is much more than religion. I see multiculturalism daily thriving and resilient throughout my Country, which puts a smile on my face and makes us all the stronger.[/p][/quote]Let me correct your post for you "The comments above are absolutely an exact picture of my day to day experiences in the Bradford district. These seem to be the views of residents of Bradford people that have lived here all their lives and seen this once great city ruined by both the council and immigration. I do hope that any national or international reader of this thread is conscious of this and on your head be it should you wish to visit Bradford. Multiculturalism is much more than religion its a complete disaster. I see multiculturalism daily thriving in Bradford outside the Job centre and numerous gold shop and bookies., which puts a smile on my face and makes us all fear for the future"[/p][/quote]I know you like to use the headlines and leading stories of this paper yto form your "perceptions" andy, instead of actual crime figues which are readily available online and can be searched by postcode as well. But here's another drug dealing gang that wasnt so prominently featured in the t&a today. http://www.thetelegr aphandargus.co.uk/ne ws/local/localbrad/1 0180288.Drugs_brothe rs_must_repay___200_ 000_of_ill_gotten_ga ins/[/p][/quote]Cheers that that...they deserve to be strung up Like these two http://www.thetelegr aphandargus.co.uk/ne ws/10178025.Court_to ld_men_raped_young_g irls_they_plied_with _drink/?ref=mr Andy2010
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5:02pm Thu 24 Jan 13

Andy2010 says...

Andy2010 wrote:
thingybob68 wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
Outraged English Subject wrote:
The comments above have absolutely no representation to my day to day experiences in the Bradford district. Nor in any part of Yorkshire or indeed England. These seem to be the views of extreme people from none or different religions, (such rhetoric does indefinable damage to the City) and are very much in the minority. I do hope that any national or international reader of this thread is conscious of this and that in no way do these people represent anything to do with the City/area. Multiculturalism is much more than religion. I see multiculturalism daily thriving and resilient throughout my Country, which puts a smile on my face and makes us all the stronger.
Let me correct your post for you

"The comments above are absolutely an exact picture of my day to day experiences in the Bradford district. These seem to be the views of residents of Bradford people that have lived here all their lives and seen this once great city ruined by both the council and immigration. I do hope that any national or international reader of this thread is conscious of this and on your head be it should you wish to visit Bradford. Multiculturalism is much more than religion its a complete disaster. I see multiculturalism daily thriving in Bradford outside the Job centre and numerous gold shop and bookies., which puts a smile on my face and makes us all fear for the future"
I know you like to use the headlines and leading stories of this paper yto form your "perceptions" andy, instead of actual crime figues which are readily available online and can be searched by postcode as well.

But here's another drug dealing gang that wasnt so prominently featured in the t&a today.

http://www.thetelegr


aphandargus.co.uk/ne


ws/local/localbrad/1


0180288.Drugs_brothe


rs_must_repay___200_


000_of_ill_gotten_ga


ins/
Cheers that that...they deserve to be strung up

Like these two

http://www.thetelegr

aphandargus.co.uk/ne

ws/10178025.Court_to

ld_men_raped_young_g

irls_they_plied_with

_drink/?ref=mr
and these from today

http://www.thetelegr
aphandargus.co.uk/ne
ws/10180917.Keighley
_girl__13_____made_s
ick_on_vodka_and_can
nabis___/

http://www.thetelegr
aphandargus.co.uk/ne
ws/10180205.Keighley
_man_accused_of_rape
_says_he_panicked/
[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thingybob68[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Outraged English Subject[/bold] wrote: The comments above have absolutely no representation to my day to day experiences in the Bradford district. Nor in any part of Yorkshire or indeed England. These seem to be the views of extreme people from none or different religions, (such rhetoric does indefinable damage to the City) and are very much in the minority. I do hope that any national or international reader of this thread is conscious of this and that in no way do these people represent anything to do with the City/area. Multiculturalism is much more than religion. I see multiculturalism daily thriving and resilient throughout my Country, which puts a smile on my face and makes us all the stronger.[/p][/quote]Let me correct your post for you "The comments above are absolutely an exact picture of my day to day experiences in the Bradford district. These seem to be the views of residents of Bradford people that have lived here all their lives and seen this once great city ruined by both the council and immigration. I do hope that any national or international reader of this thread is conscious of this and on your head be it should you wish to visit Bradford. Multiculturalism is much more than religion its a complete disaster. I see multiculturalism daily thriving in Bradford outside the Job centre and numerous gold shop and bookies., which puts a smile on my face and makes us all fear for the future"[/p][/quote]I know you like to use the headlines and leading stories of this paper yto form your "perceptions" andy, instead of actual crime figues which are readily available online and can be searched by postcode as well. But here's another drug dealing gang that wasnt so prominently featured in the t&a today. http://www.thetelegr aphandargus.co.uk/ne ws/local/localbrad/1 0180288.Drugs_brothe rs_must_repay___200_ 000_of_ill_gotten_ga ins/[/p][/quote]Cheers that that...they deserve to be strung up Like these two http://www.thetelegr aphandargus.co.uk/ne ws/10178025.Court_to ld_men_raped_young_g irls_they_plied_with _drink/?ref=mr[/p][/quote]and these from today http://www.thetelegr aphandargus.co.uk/ne ws/10180917.Keighley _girl__13_____made_s ick_on_vodka_and_can nabis___/ http://www.thetelegr aphandargus.co.uk/ne ws/10180205.Keighley _man_accused_of_rape _says_he_panicked/ Andy2010
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5:17pm Thu 24 Jan 13

SinnerSaint says...

Are you still here Thingyknob?

I thought you'd crawled back under your rock after you'd desperately tried using decades old news items to support your arguments and then contradicted yourself by saying the media was unreliable and "Zenophobic". Still makes me giggle at the poor Buddhists!! LOL!!

Then, as you got more and more desperate, you went even further back in time and started bringing up Churchill. LOL!

Finally, you were broken when it was revealed that in an article that you use as your ultimate weapon, a leading UK criminologist said that it didn't mean anything!!

As you've already said in previous posts that you live in a sh1te area and drive a sh1te car, even I'm starting to feel sorry for you!! LOL!!
Are you still here Thingyknob? I thought you'd crawled back under your rock after you'd desperately tried using decades old news items to support your arguments and then contradicted yourself by saying the media was unreliable and "Zenophobic". Still makes me giggle at the poor Buddhists!! LOL!! Then, as you got more and more desperate, you went even further back in time and started bringing up Churchill. LOL! Finally, you were broken when it was revealed that in an article that you use as your ultimate weapon, a leading UK criminologist said that it didn't mean anything!! As you've already said in previous posts that you live in a sh1te area and drive a sh1te car, even I'm starting to feel sorry for you!! LOL!! SinnerSaint
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5:31pm Thu 24 Jan 13

SinnerSaint says...

Hey Andy - ignore him, he's pathetic. In the search box in the top right hand corner of this page, type in "drug dealer".

It's impossible to argue against the results but I'm sure in his deluded mind, there's some justification for such a huge majority. What a sad, sad man - in total denial.
Hey Andy - ignore him, he's pathetic. In the search box in the top right hand corner of this page, type in "drug dealer". It's impossible to argue against the results but I'm sure in his deluded mind, there's some justification for such a huge majority. What a sad, sad man - in total denial. SinnerSaint
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11:33pm Thu 24 Jan 13

What now says...

The answer to this problem is simple.....any person that has not come through the front door of this country, i.e registered with the border agency or others, should not be entitled to protection from deportation.
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This is explained by the fact they are in essence, hiding from this country, so how the devil, can they claim political asylum.
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Surely, anyone in danger of violence in their country, would be great full of reaching these shores.
.
Another problem that i find alarming, is the fact that the owners are simple fined and not charged with offences of tax avoidance and face prison sentences, because of their actions, the general public have to pay increased taxes, similar to the tax avoidance scams, we are now hearing about.
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Finally, why is it that forums like this and others around this country can find answers to these and many more problems, yet the people that are charged with Governing this country on our behalf, can not?
The answer to this problem is simple.....any person that has not come through the front door of this country, i.e registered with the border agency or others, should not be entitled to protection from deportation. . This is explained by the fact they are in essence, hiding from this country, so how the devil, can they claim political asylum. . Surely, anyone in danger of violence in their country, would be great full of reaching these shores. . Another problem that i find alarming, is the fact that the owners are simple fined and not charged with offences of tax avoidance and face prison sentences, because of their actions, the general public have to pay increased taxes, similar to the tax avoidance scams, we are now hearing about. . Finally, why is it that forums like this and others around this country can find answers to these and many more problems, yet the people that are charged with Governing this country on our behalf, can not? What now
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9:04am Fri 25 Jan 13

Andy2010 says...

SinnerSaint wrote:
Hey Andy - ignore him, he's pathetic. In the search box in the top right hand corner of this page, type in "drug dealer".

It's impossible to argue against the results but I'm sure in his deluded mind, there's some justification for such a huge majority. What a sad, sad man - in total denial.
LOL i have just typed in Drug Dealer Bradford on google images.

The results are hilarious
[quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: Hey Andy - ignore him, he's pathetic. In the search box in the top right hand corner of this page, type in "drug dealer". It's impossible to argue against the results but I'm sure in his deluded mind, there's some justification for such a huge majority. What a sad, sad man - in total denial.[/p][/quote]LOL i have just typed in Drug Dealer Bradford on google images. The results are hilarious Andy2010
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11:56am Fri 25 Jan 13

thingybob68 says...

Just wanted to remind some of the forgetful on here about the history of Bradford - might just put the cat among the pigeons.

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Bradford began as a village by a ford. Brad meant broad. By the time of the Domesday Book in 1086 the village by the broad ford had grown quite large (by the standards of the time) with perhaps 300-350 people.

Bradford was turned into town when the villagers were allowed to hold a weekly market. In those days there were no shops and anyone wishing to buy or sell anything had to go to a market. Once the market was up and running craftsmen would come and live in Bradford and sell their goods at the market.

During the 16th century Bradford grew much larger and more important. This was despite outbreaks of plague. It struck Bradford in 1557-58.

The wool industry continued to grow. By the 16th century many people in villages near Bradford wove wool. It was then taken to the town to be fulled and dyed. There was also a considerable leather tanning industry in Bradford.

In the early 18th century Bradford was a small market town with a population of, perhaps, 4,000. However in the late 18th century Bradford was transformed by the industrial revolution.

In the late 18th century and early 19th Bradford grew very rapidly. In 1780 it had a population of about 4,500. By 1801 it had more than 6,000 inhabitants.

By 1851 the population of Bradford had reached an incredible 103,000. The huge rise in population was partly due to immigration from Germany and Ireland.

The very rapid growth of Bradford meant houses were built in a hiddley-piggledy fashion. There were no building regulations until 1854 and most working class housing was horrid. There were no sewers or drains and overcrowding was common. Worst of all were the cellar dwellings. Whole families lived in damp, poorly ventilated cellars. Often poor families had no furniture. They used wooden boxes as tables and slept on straw or rags.

In the 1950s Bradford was changed by large scale immigration from the West Indies, India, Bangladesh and Pakistan. Bradford became a multi-cultural city.

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So the the population of "indigenous" used to be 6000 and went sky high to 103,000 in 50 years due to IMMIGRATION from germany and Ireland.

Begs the question, who is the real "indigenous" and if we want to roll back immigration how far back are we going to go, 100 years or 200 years?

For all the cries of immigration ha sruined Bradford, seems in history most of the new facilities were built AFTER immigration, I wasnt aware of that .

n the 1950s and 1960s many more council houses were built and the city centre was redeveloped. Bradford University opened in 1966. The Kirkgate Centre opened in 1971 and in 1974 Bradford was made a Metropolitan District Council. Meanwhile in 1977 a Transport Interchange was built in Bradford.

Bradford Law Courts were built in 1990. The Wool Exchange was refurbished and opened as a shopping centre in 1996.

However tragedy struck Bradford in 1985 when a fire at the football ground killed 56 people.

At the end of the 20th century several modern sculptures were erected in Bradford including 'Camera Lucida' (1985), Ivegate Arch (1988), 'Grandads Clock and Chair' (1992) and 'Fibres' (1997).

.

Isnt history informative.

lol!
Just wanted to remind some of the forgetful on here about the history of Bradford - might just put the cat among the pigeons. . Bradford began as a village by a ford. Brad meant broad. By the time of the Domesday Book in 1086 the village by the broad ford had grown quite large (by the standards of the time) with perhaps 300-350 people. Bradford was turned into town when the villagers were allowed to hold a weekly market. In those days there were no shops and anyone wishing to buy or sell anything had to go to a market. Once the market was up and running craftsmen would come and live in Bradford and sell their goods at the market. During the 16th century Bradford grew much larger and more important. This was despite outbreaks of plague. It struck Bradford in 1557-58. The wool industry continued to grow. By the 16th century many people in villages near Bradford wove wool. It was then taken to the town to be fulled and dyed. There was also a considerable leather tanning industry in Bradford. In the early 18th century Bradford was a small market town with a population of, perhaps, 4,000. However in the late 18th century Bradford was transformed by the industrial revolution. In the late 18th century and early 19th Bradford grew very rapidly. In 1780 it had a population of about 4,500. By 1801 it had more than 6,000 inhabitants. By 1851 the population of Bradford had reached an incredible 103,000. The huge rise in population was partly due to immigration from Germany and Ireland. The very rapid growth of Bradford meant houses were built in a hiddley-piggledy fashion. There were no building regulations until 1854 and most working class housing was horrid. There were no sewers or drains and overcrowding was common. Worst of all were the cellar dwellings. Whole families lived in damp, poorly ventilated cellars. Often poor families had no furniture. They used wooden boxes as tables and slept on straw or rags. In the 1950s Bradford was changed by large scale immigration from the West Indies, India, Bangladesh and Pakistan. Bradford became a multi-cultural city. . So the the population of "indigenous" used to be 6000 and went sky high to 103,000 in 50 years due to IMMIGRATION from germany and Ireland. Begs the question, who is the real "indigenous" and if we want to roll back immigration how far back are we going to go, 100 years or 200 years? For all the cries of immigration ha sruined Bradford, seems in history most of the new facilities were built AFTER immigration, I wasnt aware of that . n the 1950s and 1960s many more council houses were built and the city centre was redeveloped. Bradford University opened in 1966. The Kirkgate Centre opened in 1971 and in 1974 Bradford was made a Metropolitan District Council. Meanwhile in 1977 a Transport Interchange was built in Bradford. Bradford Law Courts were built in 1990. The Wool Exchange was refurbished and opened as a shopping centre in 1996. However tragedy struck Bradford in 1985 when a fire at the football ground killed 56 people. At the end of the 20th century several modern sculptures were erected in Bradford including 'Camera Lucida' (1985), Ivegate Arch (1988), 'Grandads Clock and Chair' (1992) and 'Fibres' (1997). . Isnt history informative. lol! thingybob68
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12:41pm Fri 25 Jan 13

SinnerSaint says...

Hahaha!

You mean things have moved on in the last 50 years? Wow! What a revelation! astounding!

A simple Google of "drug dealer Bradford" and viewing the images, gives us a picture of more recent times however.

Or using the box in the top right hand corner of this page to search "drug dealer".

Thoughts please Thingyknob?
Hahaha! You mean things have moved on in the last 50 years? Wow! What a revelation! astounding! A simple Google of "drug dealer Bradford" and viewing the images, gives us a picture of more recent times however. Or using the box in the top right hand corner of this page to search "drug dealer". Thoughts please Thingyknob? SinnerSaint
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12:55pm Fri 25 Jan 13

SinnerSaint says...

Oh Thingy... You know the Bradford Crown Court listing that you're so fond of?

25/40 today my friend. That's 62.5%

Slightly disproportionate for 20% of the city's population at over three times the proportionate number!

Hold on!! It correlates exactly with the national figures for prison inmates we looked at the other day - what a coincidence. LOL!!
Oh Thingy... You know the Bradford Crown Court listing that you're so fond of? 25/40 today my friend. That's 62.5% Slightly disproportionate for 20% of the city's population at over three times the proportionate number! Hold on!! It correlates exactly with the national figures for prison inmates we looked at the other day - what a coincidence. LOL!! SinnerSaint
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1:04pm Fri 25 Jan 13

SinnerSaint says...

I don't see many German and Irish images on the Google search. LOL.

I do love to beat a man with his own weapon!
I don't see many German and Irish images on the Google search. LOL. I do love to beat a man with his own weapon! SinnerSaint
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2:22pm Fri 25 Jan 13

thingybob68 says...

SinnerSaint wrote:
I don't see many German and Irish images on the Google search. LOL.

I do love to beat a man with his own weapon!
Youre trying to hard now, youre really starting to come off very desperate.

You can look at the police figures by postode anytime you like, although some areas are above average for burglary, it was in the t& today.

lol!
[quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: I don't see many German and Irish images on the Google search. LOL. I do love to beat a man with his own weapon![/p][/quote]Youre trying to hard now, youre really starting to come off very desperate. You can look at the police figures by postode anytime you like, although some areas are above average for burglary, it was in the t& today. lol! thingybob68
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2:35pm Fri 25 Jan 13

SinnerSaint says...

I don't need to try my dear, you just keep on feeding me the ammunition to shoot you with LOL!

And why even though you say you're so successful do you still live in BD7?

What's that old saying about the happiness of porcine creatures?...
I don't need to try my dear, you just keep on feeding me the ammunition to shoot you with LOL! And why even though you say you're so successful do you still live in BD7? What's that old saying about the happiness of porcine creatures?... SinnerSaint
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2:48pm Fri 25 Jan 13

Chillum Bantam says...

SinnerSaint wrote:
I don't need to try my dear, you just keep on feeding me the ammunition to shoot you with LOL!

And why even though you say you're so successful do you still live in BD7?

What's that old saying about the happiness of porcine creatures?...
"What's that old saying about the happiness of porcine creatures?" Dam-it, you just lost-it! However can’t be too surprised, can we.
[quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: I don't need to try my dear, you just keep on feeding me the ammunition to shoot you with LOL! And why even though you say you're so successful do you still live in BD7? What's that old saying about the happiness of porcine creatures?...[/p][/quote]"What's that old saying about the happiness of porcine creatures?" Dam-it, you just lost-it! However can’t be too surprised, can we. Chillum Bantam
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2:55pm Fri 25 Jan 13

SinnerSaint says...

Not with you there... Hardly surprising looking at your spelling
Not with you there... Hardly surprising looking at your spelling SinnerSaint
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2:59pm Fri 25 Jan 13

Chillum Bantam says...

SinnerSaint wrote:
Not with you there... Hardly surprising looking at your spelling
lol pmsl ya just got bit-c slapped, Publicly.
[quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: Not with you there... Hardly surprising looking at your spelling[/p][/quote]lol pmsl ya just got bit-c slapped, Publicly. Chillum Bantam
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3:03pm Fri 25 Jan 13

Chillum Bantam says...

Chillum Bantam wrote:
SinnerSaint wrote:
Not with you there... Hardly surprising looking at your spelling
lol pmsl ya just got bit-c slapped, Publicly.
spelling lol
[quote][p][bold]Chillum Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: Not with you there... Hardly surprising looking at your spelling[/p][/quote]lol pmsl ya just got bit-c slapped, Publicly.[/p][/quote]spelling lol Chillum Bantam
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3:06pm Fri 25 Jan 13

SinnerSaint says...

I don't see it? All I see is another inbred deviant talking nonsense LOL
I don't see it? All I see is another inbred deviant talking nonsense LOL SinnerSaint
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3:10pm Fri 25 Jan 13

Chillum Bantam says...

nowt like fool, sinnerfool lol
nowt like fool, sinnerfool lol Chillum Bantam
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3:11pm Fri 25 Jan 13

Chillum Bantam says...

spelling again, lol
spelling again, lol Chillum Bantam
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3:14pm Fri 25 Jan 13

SinnerSaint says...

Hahahaha. You haven't got the first clue what you're talking about have you?

Must be the effect of a recessive generic disorder or something.... LOL
Hahahaha. You haven't got the first clue what you're talking about have you? Must be the effect of a recessive generic disorder or something.... LOL SinnerSaint
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3:15pm Fri 25 Jan 13

Chillum Bantam says...

I know you don't see it, that's why I told you, lol pmsl and you still don't see it, lol
I know you don't see it, that's why I told you, lol pmsl and you still don't see it, lol Chillum Bantam
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3:19pm Fri 25 Jan 13

SinnerSaint says...

Chillum Bantam wrote:
SinnerSaint wrote:
Not with you there... Hardly surprising looking at your spelling
lol pmsl ya just got bit-c slapped, Publicly.
Oh no my friend.

Search for "Head bouncer in Halifax big KO" on YouTube.

Now THAT's a public b itch slap!

Ouch! LOL
[quote][p][bold]Chillum Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: Not with you there... Hardly surprising looking at your spelling[/p][/quote]lol pmsl ya just got bit-c slapped, Publicly.[/p][/quote]Oh no my friend. Search for "Head bouncer in Halifax big KO" on YouTube. Now THAT's a public b itch slap! Ouch! LOL SinnerSaint
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3:25pm Fri 25 Jan 13

Chillum Bantam says...

SinnerSaint wrote:
Chillum Bantam wrote:
SinnerSaint wrote:
Not with you there... Hardly surprising looking at your spelling
lol pmsl ya just got bit-c slapped, Publicly.
Oh no my friend.

Search for "Head bouncer in Halifax big KO" on YouTube.

Now THAT's a public b itch slap!

Ouch! LOL
no, but thx anyway, again with da spelling. laughing at you is making me warm ;-) saving me money lol. bye friend .
[quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chillum Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: Not with you there... Hardly surprising looking at your spelling[/p][/quote]lol pmsl ya just got bit-c slapped, Publicly.[/p][/quote]Oh no my friend. Search for "Head bouncer in Halifax big KO" on YouTube. Now THAT's a public b itch slap! Ouch! LOL[/p][/quote]no, but thx anyway, again with da spelling. laughing at you is making me warm ;-) saving me money lol. bye friend . Chillum Bantam
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3:26pm Fri 25 Jan 13

i hate bradford says...

Looks like mad Lizzy lost the argument and as usual so in comes the bro's to make up the inevitable gang.

Does the thingybob (mad Lizzy) really live in BD7?

HAHAHA

Sound so right, how embarrassing for Lizzy. It is a shame we can't have slum clearance and the terrace dwellers could be dispersed else where like back in the 50/60.
Looks like mad Lizzy lost the argument and as usual so in comes the bro's to make up the inevitable gang. Does the thingybob (mad Lizzy) really live in BD7? HAHAHA Sound so right, how embarrassing for Lizzy. It is a shame we can't have slum clearance and the terrace dwellers could be dispersed else where like back in the 50/60. i hate bradford
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3:30pm Fri 25 Jan 13

Chillum Bantam says...

i hate bradford wrote:
Looks like mad Lizzy lost the argument and as usual so in comes the bro's to make up the inevitable gang.

Does the thingybob (mad Lizzy) really live in BD7?

HAHAHA

Sound so right, how embarrassing for Lizzy. It is a shame we can't have slum clearance and the terrace dwellers could be dispersed else where like back in the 50/60.
how little you know, I was on the coach when the word Ointment was first used.
[quote][p][bold]i hate bradford[/bold] wrote: Looks like mad Lizzy lost the argument and as usual so in comes the bro's to make up the inevitable gang. Does the thingybob (mad Lizzy) really live in BD7? HAHAHA Sound so right, how embarrassing for Lizzy. It is a shame we can't have slum clearance and the terrace dwellers could be dispersed else where like back in the 50/60.[/p][/quote]how little you know, I was on the coach when the word Ointment was first used. Chillum Bantam
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6:17pm Fri 25 Jan 13

i hate bradford says...

So are you saying that you are one of the ointment or one of their victims?
So are you saying that you are one of the ointment or one of their victims? i hate bradford
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7:52pm Sat 26 Jan 13

Commonsensefirst says...

Iftikhar wrote:
The problem is the human penchant for nationalism, poisoned with religion, on this tiny planet. If the whole world was properly organised one could live anywhere. A large majority of so called British are descendants of immigrants. Immigration is needed but we need to copy how America does it, They only allow the brightest and the best in where we let everyone in. The question was asked, why do the local people not do the jobs these migrant workers come to do, no one could answer ! But we all know why.........I think having a diverse society is a fantastic thing, and something Britain should be proud of. If the immigrants are sent home who pick the crops? The locals won't! You need to go to Australia and Newzeland and ask about the native about British immigrant and listen what they say. No panic guys. It took a thousand years of steady invasion from the Romans to the Normans to build up the vibrant population of English in the East of the country (those invaders added to the existing British and Celts who did not flee to Wales). Historians look back at that as unsettled times. The more immigrant come to UK the more diverse the country becomes. Surely that's a good thing. A historian who has forgotten that the Norman invasion may have led to todays' UK, but it was a disaster for the population of England (and later Britain) at the time - ask the Saxons if they thought the Norman takeover was a good idea!


Why complain when it’s the British who first migrated into other lands enslaving those people? When it is a question on immigration, the feelings are so strong. I wonder why. Serves you right! Britain! When the British colonised the world, it was ok. But now when people from the former colonies and from other countries come to Britain, its not ok? Look into history and then you can cry because what goes around comes around. Don't see why people have such a problem with mass immigration? It enriches our culture and boosts the economy! We have to stop looking at these people as immigrants and think of them as human beings.The immigrants are not to blame because they were invited and welcomed here by our successive government. We have quite large Spanish , French and Italian communities in Brighton and I believe it really enhances the place and adds to diversity of the City. Globalisation is here to stay. Britain colonised & some would say civilised half the world. It's called Karma. Not so long ago British people colonized Asia, living like kings while locals suffering to no end. At least, these migrants do not enslave the Britons, so stop whining please.

Just get your facts straight before you start ranting about how the country is filled with 'immigrants'. Why doesn't anyone complain about the millions of brits moving abroad every year eh? what would Britain do without all this work force? coz it looks like brits are too good to do a lot of the jobs and prefer getting their lives paid for by the government? everyone on this planet has the right to live a comfortable live WHEREVER they want. you can't blame people for being hungry and craving for the life they deserve just because some rich guys placing borders wherever they like? If you sent all the immigrants back this country would grind to a halt because they do all the horrible jobs that our unemployed wont do. They don't realise the reason there are so many migrant workers is the locals don't want to get their hands dirty by doing menial hard work, whereas the East Europeans are happy to do it. 5 million Brits live permanently abroad as foreigners, and many also as migrant workers. British women have a low fertility rate of about 1.89 per woman, which means naturally born Brits are not having enough children to replace the generations. Don't see why people have such a problem with mass immigration? It enriches our culture and boosts the economy! Britain is a modern, dynamic, fascinating and multicultural country, if you are a selfish intolerant bigot then feel free to go somewhere else and leave the rest of us in peace.

Actually, 97% of Eastern-European immigrants are in full-time employment. Also, there are thousands of Romanians and Bulgarians who are already in the country. Majority of immigrants from these countries came here after 1 January 2007 when both countries became EU members. Immigrants have legal rights to work as a self-employed or, if their partner is a self-employed, they could have an unlimited access to the job market with Blue card. So, the truth is not exactly what the politicians tell you. Cameron cannot stop Romanians' and Bulgarians' free access to the job market from 1 January 2014. The problem is that Cameron has to make budget cuts - civil servants, remember - and he is trying to distract public attention from real issues in the country. I have few friends that work as civil servants - they do not even know what job they suppose to do, but are paid between 30 and 50 grands and have 2 months annual paid leave. This has happened before, mass illegal immigration from Europe. But back then the immigrants were easily identifiable because they came over in long ships and wore horns on their hats, and gave names to parts of Lincolnshire like 'Danelaw' and similar. They took land, and jobs, and skewed the local economy in their favour, and historians refer to that period as the Viking invasion. Fact is, Europeans like it here and have done for millennia. A problem for local farmers who rely on foreign workers to pick produce because local workers don't want to put the hours in and also in the ladies business sector - social care where a large proportion of workers are also foreign as in the hotel industry. Often hospitality companies offer zero hour contracts which in my area immigrants from Ghana often fill because they are more flexible. What's the solution - stop immigration and risk staff shortages and empty veg shelves in supermarkets and bums going unwiped in care homes - I don't know. There are often unforeseen effects. The reason there are a lot of immigrants in Lincoln is because of the royal farmlands that need cheap labour for the Royal profits.
Iftikhar Ahmad
London School of Islamics Trust
http://www.londonsch

oolofislamics.org.uk
Actually, it was Africans that started the slave trade - It was a thriving business well before we arrived on the scene. England bought into a very bad idea. Get your facts straight before you make false claims.
[quote][p][bold]Iftikhar[/bold] wrote: The problem is the human penchant for nationalism, poisoned with religion, on this tiny planet. If the whole world was properly organised one could live anywhere. A large majority of so called British are descendants of immigrants. Immigration is needed but we need to copy how America does it, They only allow the brightest and the best in where we let everyone in. The question was asked, why do the local people not do the jobs these migrant workers come to do, no one could answer ! But we all know why.........I think having a diverse society is a fantastic thing, and something Britain should be proud of. If the immigrants are sent home who pick the crops? The locals won't! You need to go to Australia and Newzeland and ask about the native about British immigrant and listen what they say. No panic guys. It took a thousand years of steady invasion from the Romans to the Normans to build up the vibrant population of English in the East of the country (those invaders added to the existing British and Celts who did not flee to Wales). Historians look back at that as unsettled times. The more immigrant come to UK the more diverse the country becomes. Surely that's a good thing. A historian who has forgotten that the Norman invasion may have led to todays' UK, but it was a disaster for the population of England (and later Britain) at the time - ask the Saxons if they thought the Norman takeover was a good idea! Why complain when it’s the British who first migrated into other lands enslaving those people? When it is a question on immigration, the feelings are so strong. I wonder why. Serves you right! Britain! When the British colonised the world, it was ok. But now when people from the former colonies and from other countries come to Britain, its not ok? Look into history and then you can cry because what goes around comes around. Don't see why people have such a problem with mass immigration? It enriches our culture and boosts the economy! We have to stop looking at these people as immigrants and think of them as human beings.The immigrants are not to blame because they were invited and welcomed here by our successive government. We have quite large Spanish , French and Italian communities in Brighton and I believe it really enhances the place and adds to diversity of the City. Globalisation is here to stay. Britain colonised & some would say civilised half the world. It's called Karma. Not so long ago British people colonized Asia, living like kings while locals suffering to no end. At least, these migrants do not enslave the Britons, so stop whining please. Just get your facts straight before you start ranting about how the country is filled with 'immigrants'. Why doesn't anyone complain about the millions of brits moving abroad every year eh? what would Britain do without all this work force? coz it looks like brits are too good to do a lot of the jobs and prefer getting their lives paid for by the government? everyone on this planet has the right to live a comfortable live WHEREVER they want. you can't blame people for being hungry and craving for the life they deserve just because some rich guys placing borders wherever they like? If you sent all the immigrants back this country would grind to a halt because they do all the horrible jobs that our unemployed wont do. They don't realise the reason there are so many migrant workers is the locals don't want to get their hands dirty by doing menial hard work, whereas the East Europeans are happy to do it. 5 million Brits live permanently abroad as foreigners, and many also as migrant workers. British women have a low fertility rate of about 1.89 per woman, which means naturally born Brits are not having enough children to replace the generations. Don't see why people have such a problem with mass immigration? It enriches our culture and boosts the economy! Britain is a modern, dynamic, fascinating and multicultural country, if you are a selfish intolerant bigot then feel free to go somewhere else and leave the rest of us in peace. Actually, 97% of Eastern-European immigrants are in full-time employment. Also, there are thousands of Romanians and Bulgarians who are already in the country. Majority of immigrants from these countries came here after 1 January 2007 when both countries became EU members. Immigrants have legal rights to work as a self-employed or, if their partner is a self-employed, they could have an unlimited access to the job market with Blue card. So, the truth is not exactly what the politicians tell you. Cameron cannot stop Romanians' and Bulgarians' free access to the job market from 1 January 2014. The problem is that Cameron has to make budget cuts - civil servants, remember - and he is trying to distract public attention from real issues in the country. I have few friends that work as civil servants - they do not even know what job they suppose to do, but are paid between 30 and 50 grands and have 2 months annual paid leave. This has happened before, mass illegal immigration from Europe. But back then the immigrants were easily identifiable because they came over in long ships and wore horns on their hats, and gave names to parts of Lincolnshire like 'Danelaw' and similar. They took land, and jobs, and skewed the local economy in their favour, and historians refer to that period as the Viking invasion. Fact is, Europeans like it here and have done for millennia. A problem for local farmers who rely on foreign workers to pick produce because local workers don't want to put the hours in and also in the ladies business sector - social care where a large proportion of workers are also foreign as in the hotel industry. Often hospitality companies offer zero hour contracts which in my area immigrants from Ghana often fill because they are more flexible. What's the solution - stop immigration and risk staff shortages and empty veg shelves in supermarkets and bums going unwiped in care homes - I don't know. There are often unforeseen effects. The reason there are a lot of immigrants in Lincoln is because of the royal farmlands that need cheap labour for the Royal profits. Iftikhar Ahmad London School of Islamics Trust http://www.londonsch oolofislamics.org.uk[/p][/quote]Actually, it was Africans that started the slave trade - It was a thriving business well before we arrived on the scene. England bought into a very bad idea. Get your facts straight before you make false claims. Commonsensefirst
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8:56pm Sat 26 Jan 13

Commonsensefirst says...

Iftikhar wrote:
The problem is the human penchant for nationalism, poisoned with religion, on this tiny planet. If the whole world was properly organised one could live anywhere. A large majority of so called British are descendants of immigrants. Immigration is needed but we need to copy how America does it, They only allow the brightest and the best in where we let everyone in. The question was asked, why do the local people not do the jobs these migrant workers come to do, no one could answer ! But we all know why.........I think having a diverse society is a fantastic thing, and something Britain should be proud of. If the immigrants are sent home who pick the crops? The locals won't! You need to go to Australia and Newzeland and ask about the native about British immigrant and listen what they say. No panic guys. It took a thousand years of steady invasion from the Romans to the Normans to build up the vibrant population of English in the East of the country (those invaders added to the existing British and Celts who did not flee to Wales). Historians look back at that as unsettled times. The more immigrant come to UK the more diverse the country becomes. Surely that's a good thing. A historian who has forgotten that the Norman invasion may have led to todays' UK, but it was a disaster for the population of England (and later Britain) at the time - ask the Saxons if they thought the Norman takeover was a good idea!


Why complain when it’s the British who first migrated into other lands enslaving those people? When it is a question on immigration, the feelings are so strong. I wonder why. Serves you right! Britain! When the British colonised the world, it was ok. But now when people from the former colonies and from other countries come to Britain, its not ok? Look into history and then you can cry because what goes around comes around. Don't see why people have such a problem with mass immigration? It enriches our culture and boosts the economy! We have to stop looking at these people as immigrants and think of them as human beings.The immigrants are not to blame because they were invited and welcomed here by our successive government. We have quite large Spanish , French and Italian communities in Brighton and I believe it really enhances the place and adds to diversity of the City. Globalisation is here to stay. Britain colonised & some would say civilised half the world. It's called Karma. Not so long ago British people colonized Asia, living like kings while locals suffering to no end. At least, these migrants do not enslave the Britons, so stop whining please.

Just get your facts straight before you start ranting about how the country is filled with 'immigrants'. Why doesn't anyone complain about the millions of brits moving abroad every year eh? what would Britain do without all this work force? coz it looks like brits are too good to do a lot of the jobs and prefer getting their lives paid for by the government? everyone on this planet has the right to live a comfortable live WHEREVER they want. you can't blame people for being hungry and craving for the life they deserve just because some rich guys placing borders wherever they like? If you sent all the immigrants back this country would grind to a halt because they do all the horrible jobs that our unemployed wont do. They don't realise the reason there are so many migrant workers is the locals don't want to get their hands dirty by doing menial hard work, whereas the East Europeans are happy to do it. 5 million Brits live permanently abroad as foreigners, and many also as migrant workers. British women have a low fertility rate of about 1.89 per woman, which means naturally born Brits are not having enough children to replace the generations. Don't see why people have such a problem with mass immigration? It enriches our culture and boosts the economy! Britain is a modern, dynamic, fascinating and multicultural country, if you are a selfish intolerant bigot then feel free to go somewhere else and leave the rest of us in peace.

Actually, 97% of Eastern-European immigrants are in full-time employment. Also, there are thousands of Romanians and Bulgarians who are already in the country. Majority of immigrants from these countries came here after 1 January 2007 when both countries became EU members. Immigrants have legal rights to work as a self-employed or, if their partner is a self-employed, they could have an unlimited access to the job market with Blue card. So, the truth is not exactly what the politicians tell you. Cameron cannot stop Romanians' and Bulgarians' free access to the job market from 1 January 2014. The problem is that Cameron has to make budget cuts - civil servants, remember - and he is trying to distract public attention from real issues in the country. I have few friends that work as civil servants - they do not even know what job they suppose to do, but are paid between 30 and 50 grands and have 2 months annual paid leave. This has happened before, mass illegal immigration from Europe. But back then the immigrants were easily identifiable because they came over in long ships and wore horns on their hats, and gave names to parts of Lincolnshire like 'Danelaw' and similar. They took land, and jobs, and skewed the local economy in their favour, and historians refer to that period as the Viking invasion. Fact is, Europeans like it here and have done for millennia. A problem for local farmers who rely on foreign workers to pick produce because local workers don't want to put the hours in and also in the ladies business sector - social care where a large proportion of workers are also foreign as in the hotel industry. Often hospitality companies offer zero hour contracts which in my area immigrants from Ghana often fill because they are more flexible. What's the solution - stop immigration and risk staff shortages and empty veg shelves in supermarkets and bums going unwiped in care homes - I don't know. There are often unforeseen effects. The reason there are a lot of immigrants in Lincoln is because of the royal farmlands that need cheap labour for the Royal profits.
Iftikhar Ahmad
London School of Islamics Trust
http://www.londonsch

oolofislamics.org.uk
'Slavery during the Early Middle Ages had several distinct sources. Jewish participation in the slave trade was recorded starting in the 5th century. After the Muslim conquests of North Africa and most of the Iberian peninsula, the Islamic world became a huge importer of Saqaliba (Slavic) slaves from central and eastern Europe. Olivia Remie Constable wrote: "Muslim and Jewish merchants brought slaves into al-Andalus from eastern Europe and Christian Spain, and then re-exported them to other regions of the Islamic world." This trade came to an end after the Christianisation of Slavic countries. The etymology of the word slave comes from this period, the word sklabos meaning Slav.'
[quote][p][bold]Iftikhar[/bold] wrote: The problem is the human penchant for nationalism, poisoned with religion, on this tiny planet. If the whole world was properly organised one could live anywhere. A large majority of so called British are descendants of immigrants. Immigration is needed but we need to copy how America does it, They only allow the brightest and the best in where we let everyone in. The question was asked, why do the local people not do the jobs these migrant workers come to do, no one could answer ! But we all know why.........I think having a diverse society is a fantastic thing, and something Britain should be proud of. If the immigrants are sent home who pick the crops? The locals won't! You need to go to Australia and Newzeland and ask about the native about British immigrant and listen what they say. No panic guys. It took a thousand years of steady invasion from the Romans to the Normans to build up the vibrant population of English in the East of the country (those invaders added to the existing British and Celts who did not flee to Wales). Historians look back at that as unsettled times. The more immigrant come to UK the more diverse the country becomes. Surely that's a good thing. A historian who has forgotten that the Norman invasion may have led to todays' UK, but it was a disaster for the population of England (and later Britain) at the time - ask the Saxons if they thought the Norman takeover was a good idea! Why complain when it’s the British who first migrated into other lands enslaving those people? When it is a question on immigration, the feelings are so strong. I wonder why. Serves you right! Britain! When the British colonised the world, it was ok. But now when people from the former colonies and from other countries come to Britain, its not ok? Look into history and then you can cry because what goes around comes around. Don't see why people have such a problem with mass immigration? It enriches our culture and boosts the economy! We have to stop looking at these people as immigrants and think of them as human beings.The immigrants are not to blame because they were invited and welcomed here by our successive government. We have quite large Spanish , French and Italian communities in Brighton and I believe it really enhances the place and adds to diversity of the City. Globalisation is here to stay. Britain colonised & some would say civilised half the world. It's called Karma. Not so long ago British people colonized Asia, living like kings while locals suffering to no end. At least, these migrants do not enslave the Britons, so stop whining please. Just get your facts straight before you start ranting about how the country is filled with 'immigrants'. Why doesn't anyone complain about the millions of brits moving abroad every year eh? what would Britain do without all this work force? coz it looks like brits are too good to do a lot of the jobs and prefer getting their lives paid for by the government? everyone on this planet has the right to live a comfortable live WHEREVER they want. you can't blame people for being hungry and craving for the life they deserve just because some rich guys placing borders wherever they like? If you sent all the immigrants back this country would grind to a halt because they do all the horrible jobs that our unemployed wont do. They don't realise the reason there are so many migrant workers is the locals don't want to get their hands dirty by doing menial hard work, whereas the East Europeans are happy to do it. 5 million Brits live permanently abroad as foreigners, and many also as migrant workers. British women have a low fertility rate of about 1.89 per woman, which means naturally born Brits are not having enough children to replace the generations. Don't see why people have such a problem with mass immigration? It enriches our culture and boosts the economy! Britain is a modern, dynamic, fascinating and multicultural country, if you are a selfish intolerant bigot then feel free to go somewhere else and leave the rest of us in peace. Actually, 97% of Eastern-European immigrants are in full-time employment. Also, there are thousands of Romanians and Bulgarians who are already in the country. Majority of immigrants from these countries came here after 1 January 2007 when both countries became EU members. Immigrants have legal rights to work as a self-employed or, if their partner is a self-employed, they could have an unlimited access to the job market with Blue card. So, the truth is not exactly what the politicians tell you. Cameron cannot stop Romanians' and Bulgarians' free access to the job market from 1 January 2014. The problem is that Cameron has to make budget cuts - civil servants, remember - and he is trying to distract public attention from real issues in the country. I have few friends that work as civil servants - they do not even know what job they suppose to do, but are paid between 30 and 50 grands and have 2 months annual paid leave. This has happened before, mass illegal immigration from Europe. But back then the immigrants were easily identifiable because they came over in long ships and wore horns on their hats, and gave names to parts of Lincolnshire like 'Danelaw' and similar. They took land, and jobs, and skewed the local economy in their favour, and historians refer to that period as the Viking invasion. Fact is, Europeans like it here and have done for millennia. A problem for local farmers who rely on foreign workers to pick produce because local workers don't want to put the hours in and also in the ladies business sector - social care where a large proportion of workers are also foreign as in the hotel industry. Often hospitality companies offer zero hour contracts which in my area immigrants from Ghana often fill because they are more flexible. What's the solution - stop immigration and risk staff shortages and empty veg shelves in supermarkets and bums going unwiped in care homes - I don't know. There are often unforeseen effects. The reason there are a lot of immigrants in Lincoln is because of the royal farmlands that need cheap labour for the Royal profits. Iftikhar Ahmad London School of Islamics Trust http://www.londonsch oolofislamics.org.uk[/p][/quote]'Slavery during the Early Middle Ages had several distinct sources. Jewish participation in the slave trade was recorded starting in the 5th century. After the Muslim conquests of North Africa and most of the Iberian peninsula, the Islamic world became a huge importer of Saqaliba (Slavic) slaves from central and eastern Europe. Olivia Remie Constable wrote: "Muslim and Jewish merchants brought slaves into al-Andalus from eastern Europe and Christian Spain, and then re-exported them to other regions of the Islamic world." This trade came to an end after the Christianisation of Slavic countries. The etymology of the word slave comes from this period, the word sklabos meaning Slav.' Commonsensefirst
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11:17pm Sat 26 Jan 13

Commonsensefirst says...

I'm glad that the UK border agency have caught so many illegal immigrants, but they should finish the job. The European Courts need to be more supportive. It's not appropriate to make rulings that leave us with the problem. Ultimately, foreign countries should pick up the bill for repatriation.
I'm glad that the UK border agency have caught so many illegal immigrants, but they should finish the job. The European Courts need to be more supportive. It's not appropriate to make rulings that leave us with the problem. Ultimately, foreign countries should pick up the bill for repatriation. Commonsensefirst
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2:55am Sun 27 Jan 13

Not so simple says...

I'll guard the border with me Bradford tinted shades...
I'll guard the border with me Bradford tinted shades... Not so simple
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5:27am Sun 27 Jan 13

Outraged English Subject says...

Commonsensefirst wrote:
Iftikhar wrote:
The problem is the human penchant for nationalism, poisoned with religion, on this tiny planet. If the whole world was properly organised one could live anywhere. A large majority of so called British are descendants of immigrants. Immigration is needed but we need to copy how America does it, They only allow the brightest and the best in where we let everyone in. The question was asked, why do the local people not do the jobs these migrant workers come to do, no one could answer ! But we all know why.........I think having a diverse society is a fantastic thing, and something Britain should be proud of. If the immigrants are sent home who pick the crops? The locals won't! You need to go to Australia and Newzeland and ask about the native about British immigrant and listen what they say. No panic guys. It took a thousand years of steady invasion from the Romans to the Normans to build up the vibrant population of English in the East of the country (those invaders added to the existing British and Celts who did not flee to Wales). Historians look back at that as unsettled times. The more immigrant come to UK the more diverse the country becomes. Surely that's a good thing. A historian who has forgotten that the Norman invasion may have led to todays' UK, but it was a disaster for the population of England (and later Britain) at the time - ask the Saxons if they thought the Norman takeover was a good idea!


Why complain when it’s the British who first migrated into other lands enslaving those people? When it is a question on immigration, the feelings are so strong. I wonder why. Serves you right! Britain! When the British colonised the world, it was ok. But now when people from the former colonies and from other countries come to Britain, its not ok? Look into history and then you can cry because what goes around comes around. Don't see why people have such a problem with mass immigration? It enriches our culture and boosts the economy! We have to stop looking at these people as immigrants and think of them as human beings.The immigrants are not to blame because they were invited and welcomed here by our successive government. We have quite large Spanish , French and Italian communities in Brighton and I believe it really enhances the place and adds to diversity of the City. Globalisation is here to stay. Britain colonised & some would say civilised half the world. It's called Karma. Not so long ago British people colonized Asia, living like kings while locals suffering to no end. At least, these migrants do not enslave the Britons, so stop whining please.

Just get your facts straight before you start ranting about how the country is filled with 'immigrants'. Why doesn't anyone complain about the millions of brits moving abroad every year eh? what would Britain do without all this work force? coz it looks like brits are too good to do a lot of the jobs and prefer getting their lives paid for by the government? everyone on this planet has the right to live a comfortable live WHEREVER they want. you can't blame people for being hungry and craving for the life they deserve just because some rich guys placing borders wherever they like? If you sent all the immigrants back this country would grind to a halt because they do all the horrible jobs that our unemployed wont do. They don't realise the reason there are so many migrant workers is the locals don't want to get their hands dirty by doing menial hard work, whereas the East Europeans are happy to do it. 5 million Brits live permanently abroad as foreigners, and many also as migrant workers. British women have a low fertility rate of about 1.89 per woman, which means naturally born Brits are not having enough children to replace the generations. Don't see why people have such a problem with mass immigration? It enriches our culture and boosts the economy! Britain is a modern, dynamic, fascinating and multicultural country, if you are a selfish intolerant bigot then feel free to go somewhere else and leave the rest of us in peace.

Actually, 97% of Eastern-European immigrants are in full-time employment. Also, there are thousands of Romanians and Bulgarians who are already in the country. Majority of immigrants from these countries came here after 1 January 2007 when both countries became EU members. Immigrants have legal rights to work as a self-employed or, if their partner is a self-employed, they could have an unlimited access to the job market with Blue card. So, the truth is not exactly what the politicians tell you. Cameron cannot stop Romanians' and Bulgarians' free access to the job market from 1 January 2014. The problem is that Cameron has to make budget cuts - civil servants, remember - and he is trying to distract public attention from real issues in the country. I have few friends that work as civil servants - they do not even know what job they suppose to do, but are paid between 30 and 50 grands and have 2 months annual paid leave. This has happened before, mass illegal immigration from Europe. But back then the immigrants were easily identifiable because they came over in long ships and wore horns on their hats, and gave names to parts of Lincolnshire like 'Danelaw' and similar. They took land, and jobs, and skewed the local economy in their favour, and historians refer to that period as the Viking invasion. Fact is, Europeans like it here and have done for millennia. A problem for local farmers who rely on foreign workers to pick produce because local workers don't want to put the hours in and also in the ladies business sector - social care where a large proportion of workers are also foreign as in the hotel industry. Often hospitality companies offer zero hour contracts which in my area immigrants from Ghana often fill because they are more flexible. What's the solution - stop immigration and risk staff shortages and empty veg shelves in supermarkets and bums going unwiped in care homes - I don't know. There are often unforeseen effects. The reason there are a lot of immigrants in Lincoln is because of the royal farmlands that need cheap labour for the Royal profits.
Iftikhar Ahmad
London School of Islamics Trust
http://www.londonsch


oolofislamics.org.uk
Actually, it was Africans that started the slave trade - It was a thriving business well before we arrived on the scene. England bought into a very bad idea. Get your facts straight before you make false claims.
“Actually, it was Africans that started the slave trade” NOT that Iftikhar rant is right, I simply don’t care, However Commonsensefirst, Knows absolutely NOTHING about African history! uninformed statement which is common with the uneducated.
[quote][p][bold]Commonsensefirst[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Iftikhar[/bold] wrote: The problem is the human penchant for nationalism, poisoned with religion, on this tiny planet. If the whole world was properly organised one could live anywhere. A large majority of so called British are descendants of immigrants. Immigration is needed but we need to copy how America does it, They only allow the brightest and the best in where we let everyone in. The question was asked, why do the local people not do the jobs these migrant workers come to do, no one could answer ! But we all know why.........I think having a diverse society is a fantastic thing, and something Britain should be proud of. If the immigrants are sent home who pick the crops? The locals won't! You need to go to Australia and Newzeland and ask about the native about British immigrant and listen what they say. No panic guys. It took a thousand years of steady invasion from the Romans to the Normans to build up the vibrant population of English in the East of the country (those invaders added to the existing British and Celts who did not flee to Wales). Historians look back at that as unsettled times. The more immigrant come to UK the more diverse the country becomes. Surely that's a good thing. A historian who has forgotten that the Norman invasion may have led to todays' UK, but it was a disaster for the population of England (and later Britain) at the time - ask the Saxons if they thought the Norman takeover was a good idea! Why complain when it’s the British who first migrated into other lands enslaving those people? When it is a question on immigration, the feelings are so strong. I wonder why. Serves you right! Britain! When the British colonised the world, it was ok. But now when people from the former colonies and from other countries come to Britain, its not ok? Look into history and then you can cry because what goes around comes around. Don't see why people have such a problem with mass immigration? It enriches our culture and boosts the economy! We have to stop looking at these people as immigrants and think of them as human beings.The immigrants are not to blame because they were invited and welcomed here by our successive government. We have quite large Spanish , French and Italian communities in Brighton and I believe it really enhances the place and adds to diversity of the City. Globalisation is here to stay. Britain colonised & some would say civilised half the world. It's called Karma. Not so long ago British people colonized Asia, living like kings while locals suffering to no end. At least, these migrants do not enslave the Britons, so stop whining please. Just get your facts straight before you start ranting about how the country is filled with 'immigrants'. Why doesn't anyone complain about the millions of brits moving abroad every year eh? what would Britain do without all this work force? coz it looks like brits are too good to do a lot of the jobs and prefer getting their lives paid for by the government? everyone on this planet has the right to live a comfortable live WHEREVER they want. you can't blame people for being hungry and craving for the life they deserve just because some rich guys placing borders wherever they like? If you sent all the immigrants back this country would grind to a halt because they do all the horrible jobs that our unemployed wont do. They don't realise the reason there are so many migrant workers is the locals don't want to get their hands dirty by doing menial hard work, whereas the East Europeans are happy to do it. 5 million Brits live permanently abroad as foreigners, and many also as migrant workers. British women have a low fertility rate of about 1.89 per woman, which means naturally born Brits are not having enough children to replace the generations. Don't see why people have such a problem with mass immigration? It enriches our culture and boosts the economy! Britain is a modern, dynamic, fascinating and multicultural country, if you are a selfish intolerant bigot then feel free to go somewhere else and leave the rest of us in peace. Actually, 97% of Eastern-European immigrants are in full-time employment. Also, there are thousands of Romanians and Bulgarians who are already in the country. Majority of immigrants from these countries came here after 1 January 2007 when both countries became EU members. Immigrants have legal rights to work as a self-employed or, if their partner is a self-employed, they could have an unlimited access to the job market with Blue card. So, the truth is not exactly what the politicians tell you. Cameron cannot stop Romanians' and Bulgarians' free access to the job market from 1 January 2014. The problem is that Cameron has to make budget cuts - civil servants, remember - and he is trying to distract public attention from real issues in the country. I have few friends that work as civil servants - they do not even know what job they suppose to do, but are paid between 30 and 50 grands and have 2 months annual paid leave. This has happened before, mass illegal immigration from Europe. But back then the immigrants were easily identifiable because they came over in long ships and wore horns on their hats, and gave names to parts of Lincolnshire like 'Danelaw' and similar. They took land, and jobs, and skewed the local economy in their favour, and historians refer to that period as the Viking invasion. Fact is, Europeans like it here and have done for millennia. A problem for local farmers who rely on foreign workers to pick produce because local workers don't want to put the hours in and also in the ladies business sector - social care where a large proportion of workers are also foreign as in the hotel industry. Often hospitality companies offer zero hour contracts which in my area immigrants from Ghana often fill because they are more flexible. What's the solution - stop immigration and risk staff shortages and empty veg shelves in supermarkets and bums going unwiped in care homes - I don't know. There are often unforeseen effects. The reason there are a lot of immigrants in Lincoln is because of the royal farmlands that need cheap labour for the Royal profits. Iftikhar Ahmad London School of Islamics Trust http://www.londonsch oolofislamics.org.uk[/p][/quote]Actually, it was Africans that started the slave trade - It was a thriving business well before we arrived on the scene. England bought into a very bad idea. Get your facts straight before you make false claims.[/p][/quote]“Actually, it was Africans that started the slave trade” NOT that Iftikhar rant is right, I simply don’t care, However Commonsensefirst, Knows absolutely NOTHING about African history! uninformed statement which is common with the uneducated. Outraged English Subject
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5:35am Sun 27 Jan 13

Outraged English Subject says...

"Slavery during the Early Middle Ages had several distinct sources. Jewish participation in the slave trade was recorded starting in the 5th century. After the Muslim conquests of North Africa and most of the Iberian peninsula, the Islamic world became a huge importer of Saqaliba (Slavic) slaves from central and eastern Europe. Olivia Remie Constable wrote: "Muslim and Jewish merchants brought slaves into al-Andalus from eastern Europe and Christian Spain, and then re-exported them to other regions of the Islamic world." This trade came to an end after the Christianisation of Slavic countries. The etymology of the word slave comes from this period, the word sklabos meaning Slav." Relatively right, but very simplistic.
"Slavery during the Early Middle Ages had several distinct sources. Jewish participation in the slave trade was recorded starting in the 5th century. After the Muslim conquests of North Africa and most of the Iberian peninsula, the Islamic world became a huge importer of Saqaliba (Slavic) slaves from central and eastern Europe. Olivia Remie Constable wrote: "Muslim and Jewish merchants brought slaves into al-Andalus from eastern Europe and Christian Spain, and then re-exported them to other regions of the Islamic world." This trade came to an end after the Christianisation of Slavic countries. The etymology of the word slave comes from this period, the word sklabos meaning Slav." Relatively right, but very simplistic. Outraged English Subject
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12:45pm Sun 27 Jan 13

Commonsensefirst says...

Outraged English Subject wrote:
Commonsensefirst wrote:
Iftikhar wrote:
The problem is the human penchant for nationalism, poisoned with religion, on this tiny planet. If the whole world was properly organised one could live anywhere. A large majority of so called British are descendants of immigrants. Immigration is needed but we need to copy how America does it, They only allow the brightest and the best in where we let everyone in. The question was asked, why do the local people not do the jobs these migrant workers come to do, no one could answer ! But we all know why.........I think having a diverse society is a fantastic thing, and something Britain should be proud of. If the immigrants are sent home who pick the crops? The locals won't! You need to go to Australia and Newzeland and ask about the native about British immigrant and listen what they say. No panic guys. It took a thousand years of steady invasion from the Romans to the Normans to build up the vibrant population of English in the East of the country (those invaders added to the existing British and Celts who did not flee to Wales). Historians look back at that as unsettled times. The more immigrant come to UK the more diverse the country becomes. Surely that's a good thing. A historian who has forgotten that the Norman invasion may have led to todays' UK, but it was a disaster for the population of England (and later Britain) at the time - ask the Saxons if they thought the Norman takeover was a good idea!


Why complain when it’s the British who first migrated into other lands enslaving those people? When it is a question on immigration, the feelings are so strong. I wonder why. Serves you right! Britain! When the British colonised the world, it was ok. But now when people from the former colonies and from other countries come to Britain, its not ok? Look into history and then you can cry because what goes around comes around. Don't see why people have such a problem with mass immigration? It enriches our culture and boosts the economy! We have to stop looking at these people as immigrants and think of them as human beings.The immigrants are not to blame because they were invited and welcomed here by our successive government. We have quite large Spanish , French and Italian communities in Brighton and I believe it really enhances the place and adds to diversity of the City. Globalisation is here to stay. Britain colonised & some would say civilised half the world. It's called Karma. Not so long ago British people colonized Asia, living like kings while locals suffering to no end. At least, these migrants do not enslave the Britons, so stop whining please.

Just get your facts straight before you start ranting about how the country is filled with 'immigrants'. Why doesn't anyone complain about the millions of brits moving abroad every year eh? what would Britain do without all this work force? coz it looks like brits are too good to do a lot of the jobs and prefer getting their lives paid for by the government? everyone on this planet has the right to live a comfortable live WHEREVER they want. you can't blame people for being hungry and craving for the life they deserve just because some rich guys placing borders wherever they like? If you sent all the immigrants back this country would grind to a halt because they do all the horrible jobs that our unemployed wont do. They don't realise the reason there are so many migrant workers is the locals don't want to get their hands dirty by doing menial hard work, whereas the East Europeans are happy to do it. 5 million Brits live permanently abroad as foreigners, and many also as migrant workers. British women have a low fertility rate of about 1.89 per woman, which means naturally born Brits are not having enough children to replace the generations. Don't see why people have such a problem with mass immigration? It enriches our culture and boosts the economy! Britain is a modern, dynamic, fascinating and multicultural country, if you are a selfish intolerant bigot then feel free to go somewhere else and leave the rest of us in peace.

Actually, 97% of Eastern-European immigrants are in full-time employment. Also, there are thousands of Romanians and Bulgarians who are already in the country. Majority of immigrants from these countries came here after 1 January 2007 when both countries became EU members. Immigrants have legal rights to work as a self-employed or, if their partner is a self-employed, they could have an unlimited access to the job market with Blue card. So, the truth is not exactly what the politicians tell you. Cameron cannot stop Romanians' and Bulgarians' free access to the job market from 1 January 2014. The problem is that Cameron has to make budget cuts - civil servants, remember - and he is trying to distract public attention from real issues in the country. I have few friends that work as civil servants - they do not even know what job they suppose to do, but are paid between 30 and 50 grands and have 2 months annual paid leave. This has happened before, mass illegal immigration from Europe. But back then the immigrants were easily identifiable because they came over in long ships and wore horns on their hats, and gave names to parts of Lincolnshire like 'Danelaw' and similar. They took land, and jobs, and skewed the local economy in their favour, and historians refer to that period as the Viking invasion. Fact is, Europeans like it here and have done for millennia. A problem for local farmers who rely on foreign workers to pick produce because local workers don't want to put the hours in and also in the ladies business sector - social care where a large proportion of workers are also foreign as in the hotel industry. Often hospitality companies offer zero hour contracts which in my area immigrants from Ghana often fill because they are more flexible. What's the solution - stop immigration and risk staff shortages and empty veg shelves in supermarkets and bums going unwiped in care homes - I don't know. There are often unforeseen effects. The reason there are a lot of immigrants in Lincoln is because of the royal farmlands that need cheap labour for the Royal profits.
Iftikhar Ahmad
London School of Islamics Trust
http://www.londonsch



oolofislamics.org.uk
Actually, it was Africans that started the slave trade - It was a thriving business well before we arrived on the scene. England bought into a very bad idea. Get your facts straight before you make false claims.
“Actually, it was Africans that started the slave trade” NOT that Iftikhar rant is right, I simply don’t care, However Commonsensefirst, Knows absolutely NOTHING about African history! uninformed statement which is common with the uneducated.
...Actually I think you'll find that the Egyptian Pyramids were built by slaves 4000 years ago. this was several thousand years before Muslims existed.
[quote][p][bold]Outraged English Subject[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Commonsensefirst[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Iftikhar[/bold] wrote: The problem is the human penchant for nationalism, poisoned with religion, on this tiny planet. If the whole world was properly organised one could live anywhere. A large majority of so called British are descendants of immigrants. Immigration is needed but we need to copy how America does it, They only allow the brightest and the best in where we let everyone in. The question was asked, why do the local people not do the jobs these migrant workers come to do, no one could answer ! But we all know why.........I think having a diverse society is a fantastic thing, and something Britain should be proud of. If the immigrants are sent home who pick the crops? The locals won't! You need to go to Australia and Newzeland and ask about the native about British immigrant and listen what they say. No panic guys. It took a thousand years of steady invasion from the Romans to the Normans to build up the vibrant population of English in the East of the country (those invaders added to the existing British and Celts who did not flee to Wales). Historians look back at that as unsettled times. The more immigrant come to UK the more diverse the country becomes. Surely that's a good thing. A historian who has forgotten that the Norman invasion may have led to todays' UK, but it was a disaster for the population of England (and later Britain) at the time - ask the Saxons if they thought the Norman takeover was a good idea! Why complain when it’s the British who first migrated into other lands enslaving those people? When it is a question on immigration, the feelings are so strong. I wonder why. Serves you right! Britain! When the British colonised the world, it was ok. But now when people from the former colonies and from other countries come to Britain, its not ok? Look into history and then you can cry because what goes around comes around. Don't see why people have such a problem with mass immigration? It enriches our culture and boosts the economy! We have to stop looking at these people as immigrants and think of them as human beings.The immigrants are not to blame because they were invited and welcomed here by our successive government. We have quite large Spanish , French and Italian communities in Brighton and I believe it really enhances the place and adds to diversity of the City. Globalisation is here to stay. Britain colonised & some would say civilised half the world. It's called Karma. Not so long ago British people colonized Asia, living like kings while locals suffering to no end. At least, these migrants do not enslave the Britons, so stop whining please. Just get your facts straight before you start ranting about how the country is filled with 'immigrants'. Why doesn't anyone complain about the millions of brits moving abroad every year eh? what would Britain do without all this work force? coz it looks like brits are too good to do a lot of the jobs and prefer getting their lives paid for by the government? everyone on this planet has the right to live a comfortable live WHEREVER they want. you can't blame people for being hungry and craving for the life they deserve just because some rich guys placing borders wherever they like? If you sent all the immigrants back this country would grind to a halt because they do all the horrible jobs that our unemployed wont do. They don't realise the reason there are so many migrant workers is the locals don't want to get their hands dirty by doing menial hard work, whereas the East Europeans are happy to do it. 5 million Brits live permanently abroad as foreigners, and many also as migrant workers. British women have a low fertility rate of about 1.89 per woman, which means naturally born Brits are not having enough children to replace the generations. Don't see why people have such a problem with mass immigration? It enriches our culture and boosts the economy! Britain is a modern, dynamic, fascinating and multicultural country, if you are a selfish intolerant bigot then feel free to go somewhere else and leave the rest of us in peace. Actually, 97% of Eastern-European immigrants are in full-time employment. Also, there are thousands of Romanians and Bulgarians who are already in the country. Majority of immigrants from these countries came here after 1 January 2007 when both countries became EU members. Immigrants have legal rights to work as a self-employed or, if their partner is a self-employed, they could have an unlimited access to the job market with Blue card. So, the truth is not exactly what the politicians tell you. Cameron cannot stop Romanians' and Bulgarians' free access to the job market from 1 January 2014. The problem is that Cameron has to make budget cuts - civil servants, remember - and he is trying to distract public attention from real issues in the country. I have few friends that work as civil servants - they do not even know what job they suppose to do, but are paid between 30 and 50 grands and have 2 months annual paid leave. This has happened before, mass illegal immigration from Europe. But back then the immigrants were easily identifiable because they came over in long ships and wore horns on their hats, and gave names to parts of Lincolnshire like 'Danelaw' and similar. They took land, and jobs, and skewed the local economy in their favour, and historians refer to that period as the Viking invasion. Fact is, Europeans like it here and have done for millennia. A problem for local farmers who rely on foreign workers to pick produce because local workers don't want to put the hours in and also in the ladies business sector - social care where a large proportion of workers are also foreign as in the hotel industry. Often hospitality companies offer zero hour contracts which in my area immigrants from Ghana often fill because they are more flexible. What's the solution - stop immigration and risk staff shortages and empty veg shelves in supermarkets and bums going unwiped in care homes - I don't know. There are often unforeseen effects. The reason there are a lot of immigrants in Lincoln is because of the royal farmlands that need cheap labour for the Royal profits. Iftikhar Ahmad London School of Islamics Trust http://www.londonsch oolofislamics.org.uk[/p][/quote]Actually, it was Africans that started the slave trade - It was a thriving business well before we arrived on the scene. England bought into a very bad idea. Get your facts straight before you make false claims.[/p][/quote]“Actually, it was Africans that started the slave trade” NOT that Iftikhar rant is right, I simply don’t care, However Commonsensefirst, Knows absolutely NOTHING about African history! uninformed statement which is common with the uneducated.[/p][/quote]...Actually I think you'll find that the Egyptian Pyramids were built by slaves 4000 years ago. this was several thousand years before Muslims existed. Commonsensefirst
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12:47pm Sun 27 Jan 13

Commonsensefirst says...

Commonsensefirst wrote:
I'm glad that the UK border agency have caught so many illegal immigrants, but they should finish the job. The European Courts need to be more supportive. It's not appropriate to make rulings that leave us with the problem. Ultimately, foreign countries should pick up the bill for repatriation.
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[quote][p][bold]Commonsensefirst[/bold] wrote: I'm glad that the UK border agency have caught so many illegal immigrants, but they should finish the job. The European Courts need to be more supportive. It's not appropriate to make rulings that leave us with the problem. Ultimately, foreign countries should pick up the bill for repatriation.[/p][/quote]Reference to the previous comment: Commonsensefirst
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1:21pm Sun 27 Jan 13

Not so simple says...

Hmmm just to point something out.

Pharoah, the ruler of Egypt used slaves. He drugged up generations of slaves so that they voluntarily died for him.

Prior to that cavemen from the west would head out to the east and club villagers over their heads and kidnap and use them as slaves.

All prisoners of war were seen as booty and thus sold off to the highest bidders.

Slavery started by humans. Sick people have always existed.
now the poor immigrants are coming over to volunteer to be economic slaves.

We are also slaves to the system...think about it and switch the telly on to listen to the rubbish it spews out in to your mindless body.
Hmmm just to point something out. Pharoah, the ruler of Egypt used slaves. He drugged up generations of slaves so that they voluntarily died for him. Prior to that cavemen from the west would head out to the east and club villagers over their heads and kidnap and use them as slaves. All prisoners of war were seen as booty and thus sold off to the highest bidders. Slavery started by humans. Sick people have always existed. now the poor immigrants are coming over to volunteer to be economic slaves. We are also slaves to the system...think about it and switch the telly on to listen to the rubbish it spews out in to your mindless body. Not so simple
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1:53pm Sun 27 Jan 13

Outraged English Subject says...

Commonsensefirst wrote:
Outraged English Subject wrote:
Commonsensefirst wrote:
Iftikhar wrote:
The problem is the human penchant for nationalism, poisoned with religion, on this tiny planet. If the whole world was properly organised one could live anywhere. A large majority of so called British are descendants of immigrants. Immigration is needed but we need to copy how America does it, They only allow the brightest and the best in where we let everyone in. The question was asked, why do the local people not do the jobs these migrant workers come to do, no one could answer ! But we all know why.........I think having a diverse society is a fantastic thing, and something Britain should be proud of. If the immigrants are sent home who pick the crops? The locals won't! You need to go to Australia and Newzeland and ask about the native about British immigrant and listen what they say. No panic guys. It took a thousand years of steady invasion from the Romans to the Normans to build up the vibrant population of English in the East of the country (those invaders added to the existing British and Celts who did not flee to Wales). Historians look back at that as unsettled times. The more immigrant come to UK the more diverse the country becomes. Surely that's a good thing. A historian who has forgotten that the Norman invasion may have led to todays' UK, but it was a disaster for the population of England (and later Britain) at the time - ask the Saxons if they thought the Norman takeover was a good idea!


Why complain when it’s the British who first migrated into other lands enslaving those people? When it is a question on immigration, the feelings are so strong. I wonder why. Serves you right! Britain! When the British colonised the world, it was ok. But now when people from the former colonies and from other countries come to Britain, its not ok? Look into history and then you can cry because what goes around comes around. Don't see why people have such a problem with mass immigration? It enriches our culture and boosts the economy! We have to stop looking at these people as immigrants and think of them as human beings.The immigrants are not to blame because they were invited and welcomed here by our successive government. We have quite large Spanish , French and Italian communities in Brighton and I believe it really enhances the place and adds to diversity of the City. Globalisation is here to stay. Britain colonised & some would say civilised half the world. It's called Karma. Not so long ago British people colonized Asia, living like kings while locals suffering to no end. At least, these migrants do not enslave the Britons, so stop whining please.

Just get your facts straight before you start ranting about how the country is filled with 'immigrants'. Why doesn't anyone complain about the millions of brits moving abroad every year eh? what would Britain do without all this work force? coz it looks like brits are too good to do a lot of the jobs and prefer getting their lives paid for by the government? everyone on this planet has the right to live a comfortable live WHEREVER they want. you can't blame people for being hungry and craving for the life they deserve just because some rich guys placing borders wherever they like? If you sent all the immigrants back this country would grind to a halt because they do all the horrible jobs that our unemployed wont do. They don't realise the reason there are so many migrant workers is the locals don't want to get their hands dirty by doing menial hard work, whereas the East Europeans are happy to do it. 5 million Brits live permanently abroad as foreigners, and many also as migrant workers. British women have a low fertility rate of about 1.89 per woman, which means naturally born Brits are not having enough children to replace the generations. Don't see why people have such a problem with mass immigration? It enriches our culture and boosts the economy! Britain is a modern, dynamic, fascinating and multicultural country, if you are a selfish intolerant bigot then feel free to go somewhere else and leave the rest of us in peace.

Actually, 97% of Eastern-European immigrants are in full-time employment. Also, there are thousands of Romanians and Bulgarians who are already in the country. Majority of immigrants from these countries came here after 1 January 2007 when both countries became EU members. Immigrants have legal rights to work as a self-employed or, if their partner is a self-employed, they could have an unlimited access to the job market with Blue card. So, the truth is not exactly what the politicians tell you. Cameron cannot stop Romanians' and Bulgarians' free access to the job market from 1 January 2014. The problem is that Cameron has to make budget cuts - civil servants, remember - and he is trying to distract public attention from real issues in the country. I have few friends that work as civil servants - they do not even know what job they suppose to do, but are paid between 30 and 50 grands and have 2 months annual paid leave. This has happened before, mass illegal immigration from Europe. But back then the immigrants were easily identifiable because they came over in long ships and wore horns on their hats, and gave names to parts of Lincolnshire like 'Danelaw' and similar. They took land, and jobs, and skewed the local economy in their favour, and historians refer to that period as the Viking invasion. Fact is, Europeans like it here and have done for millennia. A problem for local farmers who rely on foreign workers to pick produce because local workers don't want to put the hours in and also in the ladies business sector - social care where a large proportion of workers are also foreign as in the hotel industry. Often hospitality companies offer zero hour contracts which in my area immigrants from Ghana often fill because they are more flexible. What's the solution - stop immigration and risk staff shortages and empty veg shelves in supermarkets and bums going unwiped in care homes - I don't know. There are often unforeseen effects. The reason there are a lot of immigrants in Lincoln is because of the royal farmlands that need cheap labour for the Royal profits.
Iftikhar Ahmad
London School of Islamics Trust
http://www.londonsch




oolofislamics.org.uk
Actually, it was Africans that started the slave trade - It was a thriving business well before we arrived on the scene. England bought into a very bad idea. Get your facts straight before you make false claims.
“Actually, it was Africans that started the slave trade” NOT that Iftikhar rant is right, I simply don’t care, However Commonsensefirst, Knows absolutely NOTHING about African history! uninformed statement which is common with the uneducated.
...Actually I think you'll find that the Egyptian Pyramids were built by slaves 4000 years ago. this was several thousand years before Muslims existed.
Once again Commonsensefirst, shows he knows absolutely NOTHING about African history!
[quote][p][bold]Commonsensefirst[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Outraged English Subject[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Commonsensefirst[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Iftikhar[/bold] wrote: The problem is the human penchant for nationalism, poisoned with religion, on this tiny planet. If the whole world was properly organised one could live anywhere. A large majority of so called British are descendants of immigrants. Immigration is needed but we need to copy how America does it, They only allow the brightest and the best in where we let everyone in. The question was asked, why do the local people not do the jobs these migrant workers come to do, no one could answer ! But we all know why.........I think having a diverse society is a fantastic thing, and something Britain should be proud of. If the immigrants are sent home who pick the crops? The locals won't! You need to go to Australia and Newzeland and ask about the native about British immigrant and listen what they say. No panic guys. It took a thousand years of steady invasion from the Romans to the Normans to build up the vibrant population of English in the East of the country (those invaders added to the existing British and Celts who did not flee to Wales). Historians look back at that as unsettled times. The more immigrant come to UK the more diverse the country becomes. Surely that's a good thing. A historian who has forgotten that the Norman invasion may have led to todays' UK, but it was a disaster for the population of England (and later Britain) at the time - ask the Saxons if they thought the Norman takeover was a good idea! Why complain when it’s the British who first migrated into other lands enslaving those people? When it is a question on immigration, the feelings are so strong. I wonder why. Serves you right! Britain! When the British colonised the world, it was ok. But now when people from the former colonies and from other countries come to Britain, its not ok? Look into history and then you can cry because what goes around comes around. Don't see why people have such a problem with mass immigration? It enriches our culture and boosts the economy! We have to stop looking at these people as immigrants and think of them as human beings.The immigrants are not to blame because they were invited and welcomed here by our successive government. We have quite large Spanish , French and Italian communities in Brighton and I believe it really enhances the place and adds to diversity of the City. Globalisation is here to stay. Britain colonised & some would say civilised half the world. It's called Karma. Not so long ago British people colonized Asia, living like kings while locals suffering to no end. At least, these migrants do not enslave the Britons, so stop whining please. Just get your facts straight before you start ranting about how the country is filled with 'immigrants'. Why doesn't anyone complain about the millions of brits moving abroad every year eh? what would Britain do without all this work force? coz it looks like brits are too good to do a lot of the jobs and prefer getting their lives paid for by the government? everyone on this planet has the right to live a comfortable live WHEREVER they want. you can't blame people for being hungry and craving for the life they deserve just because some rich guys placing borders wherever they like? If you sent all the immigrants back this country would grind to a halt because they do all the horrible jobs that our unemployed wont do. They don't realise the reason there are so many migrant workers is the locals don't want to get their hands dirty by doing menial hard work, whereas the East Europeans are happy to do it. 5 million Brits live permanently abroad as foreigners, and many also as migrant workers. British women have a low fertility rate of about 1.89 per woman, which means naturally born Brits are not having enough children to replace the generations. Don't see why people have such a problem with mass immigration? It enriches our culture and boosts the economy! Britain is a modern, dynamic, fascinating and multicultural country, if you are a selfish