Call for action after bleak week of shop closures in city

Bradford Telegraph and Argus: The Starbucks coffee shop in Waterstones book store is closing The Starbucks coffee shop in Waterstones book store is closing

Calls were made last night for a cross-party task force to be set up to revive Bradford city centre as a bleak week ended with coffee shop giant Starbucks confirming that it is pulling out of Waterstones bookshop at the Wool Exchange after more than 15 years.

It comes hot on the heels of the closure of photographic shop Jessops; music store HMV, which has a branch in Broadway, going into administration, and outdoor wear supplier Milletts closing its Darley Street store in March.

This week video rental group Blockbuster UK also went into administration, putting 4,000 jobs at risk, including those at branches in Bradford, Keighley and Cleckheaton.

The high street losses have led Bradford West MP George Galloway to call for Bradford Council to form a task force to highlight the problems nationally and seek a solution, including employing specialist lobbyists in Whitehall to raise the district’s profile.

The Respect MP said that he would support the Council if it led on such a campaign to engage local businesses, residents and councillors.

“They need to press the Bradford cause with the national Government,” he said.

“You cannot allow an important part of your city to become a black hole. It needs mass participation. I give you this pledge if Coun Green leads such a campaign we will fall in behind.”

Bradford South MP Gerry Sutcliffe (Lab), welcomed the idea. He said: “We should sell the city as a centre of cultural, media and sport, with the National Media Museum, the Alhambra and the Bulls and Bradford City.

Shipley MP Philip Davies (Con) said: “It is essential that this is resolved straight away or we will see the death of Bradford city centre by a thousand cuts.”

But David Ward, the Bradford East MP, called on Mr Galloway, as the city centre MP, to stop demanding that others do all the work. He also pointed out that shoppers’ habits had changed markedly.

“We need to make Bradford an interesting place to shop,” he said.

Council leader Dave Green said that he would listen to Mr Galloway’s ideas, but stressed that the closures were all part of a national picture.

“These are all national companies affected by a national economic situation, not a Bradford issue,” he said.

“Regenerations 15 to 20 years ago had significant national public investment going on. We have secured the Regional Growth Fund to help bring more business in. I would be interested to hear Mr Galloway’s ideas because he certainly has not put that to me.”

Val Summerscales, Bradford’s Chamber of Trade secretary, said: “Retailers have struggled for the last two to three years and the bottom line is we need customers and footfall in the city centre. This is the impact of internet and out of town shopping centres.”

Up to 20 jobs are believed to be affected at Starbucks’ Waterstones branch and its last day will be February 7, according to one source.

A Starbucks spokesman confirmed the closure but said it had no plans to shut its branch in Centenary Square.

He said: “We’re working closely with our partner employees and hope to be able to redeploy the majority of them to other Starbucks stores.”

Starbucks regular Sam Roper, 19, who works in the city centre, said he saw stunned staff being told of the closure.

“They were being asked to sign bits of paper saying they acknowledged if they could not be found jobs in Starbucks stores elsewhere they might be made redundant. You could see the staff were in shock,” he said.

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7:28am Sat 19 Jan 13

old pecker says...

yet another nail in the coffin for Bradford RIP
yet another nail in the coffin for Bradford RIP old pecker
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7:43am Sat 19 Jan 13

Patrick Bateman says...

It seems contributor 'Rambo' was correct when he predicted this a few days ago (which is particularly concerning given he also suggested that Waterstones may also go to the wall soon too)
It seems contributor 'Rambo' was correct when he predicted this a few days ago (which is particularly concerning given he also suggested that Waterstones may also go to the wall soon too) Patrick Bateman
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8:28am Sat 19 Jan 13

Joedavid says...

No news on your Westfield then Mr Green?
Mr Sutcliffe why the Odeon/New Victoria not on your list?
No news on your Westfield then Mr Green? Mr Sutcliffe why the Odeon/New Victoria not on your list? Joedavid
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8:31am Sat 19 Jan 13

The Hoffster says...

old pecker wrote:
yet another nail in the coffin for Bradford RIP
The nails in Bradford's coffin were put in the 70s.
[quote][p][bold]old pecker[/bold] wrote: yet another nail in the coffin for Bradford RIP[/p][/quote]The nails in Bradford's coffin were put in the 70s. The Hoffster
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8:34am Sat 19 Jan 13

doneBD4 says...

A task force, you're having a laugh!!!

Get the west field site up and running and give other business in the our city a reason to stay.

I've never voted for our MP's in Bradford and will continue in not doing so until our clowns in city hall do something of worth for our city and it's people.
A task force, you're having a laugh!!! Get the west field site up and running and give other business in the our city a reason to stay. I've never voted for our MP's in Bradford and will continue in not doing so until our clowns in city hall do something of worth for our city and it's people. doneBD4
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8:43am Sat 19 Jan 13

Mike Strutter says...

Dave Green needs to get his head out of his **** !
Yes the national situation doesn't help but rather than blame it why doesn't he try do something about it ?
And I don't mean more pound shops or bookies !!
Dave Green needs to get his head out of his **** ! Yes the national situation doesn't help but rather than blame it why doesn't he try do something about it ? And I don't mean more pound shops or bookies !! Mike Strutter
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8:55am Sat 19 Jan 13

tyker2 says...

Waterstones is under pressure as it has been for a few years with corporation tax free Amazon taking an ever increasing percentage off book sales which are themselves under eve increasing pressure due to kindle and the likes.

In one respect the internet is a great benefit to many but at a great cost.

For example I need about £5.00 of DIY mastic the other day. On a rainy horrible day why get in the car, have a 10 mile round trip when I could sit at home,order in on line and have it delivered to me next day. However for larger items I still need to see the product and examine it so shops with good outlets and good internet presence are going to continue to flourish (except Comet which was badly run and managed per se).

Will the building of the Westfield site solve Bradford,s problems I now, for the first time have reservations. Will it be the panacea for all the city's problems.

Meanwhile though Westfield have London area completely covered with sites north , south , west and east of London packed so maybe retailing in big sites is far from dead.
Waterstones is under pressure as it has been for a few years with corporation tax free Amazon taking an ever increasing percentage off book sales which are themselves under eve increasing pressure due to kindle and the likes. In one respect the internet is a great benefit to many but at a great cost. For example I need about £5.00 of DIY mastic the other day. On a rainy horrible day why get in the car, have a 10 mile round trip when I could sit at home,order in on line and have it delivered to me next day. However for larger items I still need to see the product and examine it so shops with good outlets and good internet presence are going to continue to flourish (except Comet which was badly run and managed per se). Will the building of the Westfield site solve Bradford,s problems I now, for the first time have reservations. Will it be the panacea for all the city's problems. Meanwhile though Westfield have London area completely covered with sites north , south , west and east of London packed so maybe retailing in big sites is far from dead. tyker2
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9:03am Sat 19 Jan 13

Historic says...

It's funny how its people in the council calling for change but its them that made Bradford what it is today,many historic buildings have been pulled down over the years,these buildings would have been used for many years if they were still there,unfortunately I can't ever see Bradford centre being what it once was evening if Westfield is built.i would just fill the hole in and then at least it would look better than it does now
It's funny how its people in the council calling for change but its them that made Bradford what it is today,many historic buildings have been pulled down over the years,these buildings would have been used for many years if they were still there,unfortunately I can't ever see Bradford centre being what it once was evening if Westfield is built.i would just fill the hole in and then at least it would look better than it does now Historic
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9:05am Sat 19 Jan 13

BagOfMonkeys says...

Think of it this way, perhaps with everyone buying online, and more and more shops simply losing footfall custom, then Bradford is actually ahead of the game ....... even mighty Leeds will someday find all the shops shut. So Mr Green forget about Westfield, think leisure and entertainment think days out in Bradford, proper city parks with trees and meadows full of flowers, a bit of prairie planting perhaps ...... sports, tennis, crown green bowls, create somewhere to go and play!
Think of it this way, perhaps with everyone buying online, and more and more shops simply losing footfall custom, then Bradford is actually ahead of the game ....... even mighty Leeds will someday find all the shops shut. So Mr Green forget about Westfield, think leisure and entertainment think days out in Bradford, proper city parks with trees and meadows full of flowers, a bit of prairie planting perhaps ...... sports, tennis, crown green bowls, create somewhere to go and play! BagOfMonkeys
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9:06am Sat 19 Jan 13

thatsnotmyname says...

The centre is depressing, thats the truth of it. Its also full of people who look like they've just been released.
Thats why I hop on the train (for less than a bradford bus) to Leeds.
The centre is depressing, thats the truth of it. Its also full of people who look like they've just been released. Thats why I hop on the train (for less than a bradford bus) to Leeds. thatsnotmyname
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9:14am Sat 19 Jan 13

Historic says...

Historic wrote:
It's funny how its people in the council calling for change but its them that made Bradford what it is today,many historic buildings have been pulled down over the years,these buildings would have been used for many years if they were still there,unfortunately I can't ever see Bradford centre being what it once was evening if Westfield is built.i would just fill the hole in and then at least it would look better than it does now
Couldn't agree more bagofmonkeys
[quote][p][bold]Historic[/bold] wrote: It's funny how its people in the council calling for change but its them that made Bradford what it is today,many historic buildings have been pulled down over the years,these buildings would have been used for many years if they were still there,unfortunately I can't ever see Bradford centre being what it once was evening if Westfield is built.i would just fill the hole in and then at least it would look better than it does now[/p][/quote]Couldn't agree more bagofmonkeys Historic
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9:15am Sat 19 Jan 13

Historic says...

BagOfMonkeys wrote:
Think of it this way, perhaps with everyone buying online, and more and more shops simply losing footfall custom, then Bradford is actually ahead of the game ....... even mighty Leeds will someday find all the shops shut. So Mr Green forget about Westfield, think leisure and entertainment think days out in Bradford, proper city parks with trees and meadows full of flowers, a bit of prairie planting perhaps ...... sports, tennis, crown green bowls, create somewhere to go and play!
Couldn't agree more
[quote][p][bold]BagOfMonkeys[/bold] wrote: Think of it this way, perhaps with everyone buying online, and more and more shops simply losing footfall custom, then Bradford is actually ahead of the game ....... even mighty Leeds will someday find all the shops shut. So Mr Green forget about Westfield, think leisure and entertainment think days out in Bradford, proper city parks with trees and meadows full of flowers, a bit of prairie planting perhaps ...... sports, tennis, crown green bowls, create somewhere to go and play![/p][/quote]Couldn't agree more Historic
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9:36am Sat 19 Jan 13

Thee Voice of Reason says...

Wasn't there a quote about success and progress of Westfield a few weeks a go, what a shambles.
Still just have illegal bazzars everywhere instead to fill the gaps.
Wasn't there a quote about success and progress of Westfield a few weeks a go, what a shambles. Still just have illegal bazzars everywhere instead to fill the gaps. Thee Voice of Reason
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9:42am Sat 19 Jan 13

mad matt says...

It's hardly surprising that Starbucks is closing - lousy coffee and a rather blemished track record where tax is concerned.
It's hardly surprising that Starbucks is closing - lousy coffee and a rather blemished track record where tax is concerned. mad matt
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9:43am Sat 19 Jan 13

Whatthejuice says...

With immediate effect all car parking in the city centre should be FREE for the first 2 hours.
With immediate effect all car parking in the city centre should be FREE for the first 2 hours. Whatthejuice
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10:08am Sat 19 Jan 13

angry bradfordian says...

An excellent point by David Ward. George Galloway is the MP for the City Centre and he's saying the council should be lobbying parliament.

Isn't that what Galloway is paid to do as an MP. He seems to be too busy campaigning for the Middle East and Central American dictators to bother with his constituency.
An excellent point by David Ward. George Galloway is the MP for the City Centre and he's saying the council should be lobbying parliament. Isn't that what Galloway is paid to do as an MP. He seems to be too busy campaigning for the Middle East and Central American dictators to bother with his constituency. angry bradfordian
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10:09am Sat 19 Jan 13

Z.Raja says...

Most of the customers foot step has been attracted by the Stall Type huge illegal Bazaar where the owner is providing a very strong breeding ground for Black Trade and supporting benefit cheats unauthorised traders and foreign students. This bazaar is full fledge crime scene and the Council has failed to stop them. National trend may have some impact but the destruction of Bradford legal Trade is purely to blame the Stall Type Bazaars. If similar situation arises in USA, they would simply demolish the place and jail the organiser. Simply get the National Insurance of all the stall holders there...the matter would be resolved immediately.
Most of the customers foot step has been attracted by the Stall Type huge illegal Bazaar where the owner is providing a very strong breeding ground for Black Trade and supporting benefit cheats unauthorised traders and foreign students. This bazaar is full fledge crime scene and the Council has failed to stop them. National trend may have some impact but the destruction of Bradford legal Trade is purely to blame the Stall Type Bazaars. If similar situation arises in USA, they would simply demolish the place and jail the organiser. Simply get the National Insurance of all the stall holders there...the matter would be resolved immediately. Z.Raja
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10:37am Sat 19 Jan 13

Rambo says...

Patrick Bateman wrote:
It seems contributor 'Rambo' was correct when he predicted this a few days ago (which is particularly concerning given he also suggested that Waterstones may also go to the wall soon too)
Apparently the staff were told earlier this week, though I had known since last month.

In the article it says - "Up to 20 jobs are believed to be affected at Starbucks’ Waterstones branch"

Thats rubbish. Theres no more than 6, and they are all going to be transferred. Starbucks are opening 2 new stores in Leeds (one in the new shopping centre), its likely they will be moved there.

I genuinely don't know what to suggest for the city. As I've said for years, if you think of shops falling into upper, mid and low end, most large cities will have a majority of mid and lower, with some upper. Cities like Manchester and Leeds have a larger upper end, but most places do have a couple of high end shops, eateries, bars, maybe a decent department store.

But Bradford doesn't. Bradford is struggling with the mid-level shops - what I would class as a lot of the chain stores that are slightly more upmarket or smaller chains e.g. I go to places like O'Neill and Quiksilver, the other half goes to H&M and Monsoon.

Its the lack of those places that drives people to the White Rose and Leeds.

They are the sort of places that would admittedly go into Westfield. But even then, my worry is it will end up like Wakefield, where the new shopping centre has devastated some of the existing shopping areas by simply pulling shoppers away with an all-enclosed parking, shopping and eating area.
[quote][p][bold]Patrick Bateman[/bold] wrote: It seems contributor 'Rambo' was correct when he predicted this a few days ago (which is particularly concerning given he also suggested that Waterstones may also go to the wall soon too)[/p][/quote]Apparently the staff were told earlier this week, though I had known since last month. In the article it says - "Up to 20 jobs are believed to be affected at Starbucks’ Waterstones branch" Thats rubbish. Theres no more than 6, and they are all going to be transferred. Starbucks are opening 2 new stores in Leeds (one in the new shopping centre), its likely they will be moved there. I genuinely don't know what to suggest for the city. As I've said for years, if you think of shops falling into upper, mid and low end, most large cities will have a majority of mid and lower, with some upper. Cities like Manchester and Leeds have a larger upper end, but most places do have a couple of high end shops, eateries, bars, maybe a decent department store. But Bradford doesn't. Bradford is struggling with the mid-level shops - what I would class as a lot of the chain stores that are slightly more upmarket or smaller chains e.g. I go to places like O'Neill and Quiksilver, the other half goes to H&M and Monsoon. Its the lack of those places that drives people to the White Rose and Leeds. They are the sort of places that would admittedly go into Westfield. But even then, my worry is it will end up like Wakefield, where the new shopping centre has devastated some of the existing shopping areas by simply pulling shoppers away with an all-enclosed parking, shopping and eating area. Rambo
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10:41am Sat 19 Jan 13

chard501 says...

Big loss this. The waterstones/starbuck
s combo in that lovely buidling was probably the part of the bradford shopping experience. It was certainly one of the only reasons why I'd ever venture into the centre.
Big loss this. The waterstones/starbuck s combo in that lovely buidling was probably the part of the bradford shopping experience. It was certainly one of the only reasons why I'd ever venture into the centre. chard501
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10:43am Sat 19 Jan 13

Avro says...

The writing is on the wall for Waterstones too.

So if Westfield and the Council are confident of a start on Westfailed by mid 2013, where is the evidence of progression?

If building work does not get undeway by the end of 2013, it will be curtains for this project!
Westfield must be up and running by the end of 2015 to qualify for the £17.6m Regional Growth Fund money, of which the Council are very reliant on, because it is ring fenced to Westfield tenants as a rate reliief scheme.

The only thing to happen for Westfield is that the project has been sold to someone else (Meyer Bergman), who so far have remained silent about progress, let alone name a start date!
The writing is on the wall for Waterstones too. So if Westfield and the Council are confident of a start on Westfailed by mid 2013, where is the evidence of progression? If building work does not get undeway by the end of 2013, it will be curtains for this project! Westfield must be up and running by the end of 2015 to qualify for the £17.6m Regional Growth Fund money, of which the Council are very reliant on, because it is ring fenced to Westfield tenants as a rate reliief scheme. The only thing to happen for Westfield is that the project has been sold to someone else (Meyer Bergman), who so far have remained silent about progress, let alone name a start date! Avro
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10:53am Sat 19 Jan 13

Save2020 says...

Bradford is a dump
Bradford is a dump Save2020
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11:02am Sat 19 Jan 13

Joedavid says...

Save2020 wrote:
Bradford is a dump
True, but we need the Council and MPs to admit it then something can be done about it.
What did the song say, "The Only Way Is UP".
[quote][p][bold]Save2020[/bold] wrote: Bradford is a dump[/p][/quote]True, but we need the Council and MPs to admit it then something can be done about it. What did the song say, "The Only Way Is UP". Joedavid
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11:16am Sat 19 Jan 13

gwgwgw says...

leeds started to redevelope in the 70's when i worked there,and when i come back to visitbradford it is so depresing, leeds had buisines people who knew how to plan, and started and finished a project before going to the next one ,sad to say but a city reflects on its councillors, i say no more
leeds started to redevelope in the 70's when i worked there,and when i come back to visitbradford it is so depresing, leeds had buisines people who knew how to plan, and started and finished a project before going to the next one ,sad to say but a city reflects on its councillors, i say no more gwgwgw
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11:20am Sat 19 Jan 13

webess says...

Rambo wrote:
Patrick Bateman wrote:
It seems contributor 'Rambo' was correct when he predicted this a few days ago (which is particularly concerning given he also suggested that Waterstones may also go to the wall soon too)
Apparently the staff were told earlier this week, though I had known since last month.

In the article it says - "Up to 20 jobs are believed to be affected at Starbucks’ Waterstones branch"

Thats rubbish. Theres no more than 6, and they are all going to be transferred. Starbucks are opening 2 new stores in Leeds (one in the new shopping centre), its likely they will be moved there.

I genuinely don't know what to suggest for the city. As I've said for years, if you think of shops falling into upper, mid and low end, most large cities will have a majority of mid and lower, with some upper. Cities like Manchester and Leeds have a larger upper end, but most places do have a couple of high end shops, eateries, bars, maybe a decent department store.

But Bradford doesn't. Bradford is struggling with the mid-level shops - what I would class as a lot of the chain stores that are slightly more upmarket or smaller chains e.g. I go to places like O'Neill and Quiksilver, the other half goes to H&M and Monsoon.

Its the lack of those places that drives people to the White Rose and Leeds.

They are the sort of places that would admittedly go into Westfield. But even then, my worry is it will end up like Wakefield, where the new shopping centre has devastated some of the existing shopping areas by simply pulling shoppers away with an all-enclosed parking, shopping and eating area.
Fair points, but also true to say that Leeds & Manchester have had and continue to have taxpayer money thrown at them.

eg Leeds gets £250m of central govt money for a trolley bus and we get.... a bridge for cyclists.

Time the Govt realised you can't throw money at two cities in the North then sit back and claim to be doing something up here..
[quote][p][bold]Rambo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Patrick Bateman[/bold] wrote: It seems contributor 'Rambo' was correct when he predicted this a few days ago (which is particularly concerning given he also suggested that Waterstones may also go to the wall soon too)[/p][/quote]Apparently the staff were told earlier this week, though I had known since last month. In the article it says - "Up to 20 jobs are believed to be affected at Starbucks’ Waterstones branch" Thats rubbish. Theres no more than 6, and they are all going to be transferred. Starbucks are opening 2 new stores in Leeds (one in the new shopping centre), its likely they will be moved there. I genuinely don't know what to suggest for the city. As I've said for years, if you think of shops falling into upper, mid and low end, most large cities will have a majority of mid and lower, with some upper. Cities like Manchester and Leeds have a larger upper end, but most places do have a couple of high end shops, eateries, bars, maybe a decent department store. But Bradford doesn't. Bradford is struggling with the mid-level shops - what I would class as a lot of the chain stores that are slightly more upmarket or smaller chains e.g. I go to places like O'Neill and Quiksilver, the other half goes to H&M and Monsoon. Its the lack of those places that drives people to the White Rose and Leeds. They are the sort of places that would admittedly go into Westfield. But even then, my worry is it will end up like Wakefield, where the new shopping centre has devastated some of the existing shopping areas by simply pulling shoppers away with an all-enclosed parking, shopping and eating area.[/p][/quote]Fair points, but also true to say that Leeds & Manchester have had and continue to have taxpayer money thrown at them. eg Leeds gets £250m of central govt money for a trolley bus and we get.... a bridge for cyclists. Time the Govt realised you can't throw money at two cities in the North then sit back and claim to be doing something up here.. webess
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11:40am Sat 19 Jan 13

Yorkshire Lass says...

Quote by MP Gerry Sutcliffe in todays T & A regarding the demise of Bradfords city centre:- "we should sell the city as a centre of culture, media and sport". Could I ask exactly what culture is Mr Sutcliffe talking about, also, of course he is going to publicise the Bulls seeing he has got his fingers in that pot. So my idea should this happen, I will spend my weekend at the National Media Museum, followed by an evening at the Alhambra and next day go see the bulls and if I have time left, will catch the bus at Odsal to go to Leeds to do some shopping. Sorted! What a waste of money our MP's are.
Quote by MP Gerry Sutcliffe in todays T & A regarding the demise of Bradfords city centre:- "we should sell the city as a centre of culture, media and sport". Could I ask exactly what culture is Mr Sutcliffe talking about, also, of course he is going to publicise the Bulls seeing he has got his fingers in that pot. So my idea should this happen, I will spend my weekend at the National Media Museum, followed by an evening at the Alhambra and next day go see the bulls and if I have time left, will catch the bus at Odsal to go to Leeds to do some shopping. Sorted! What a waste of money our MP's are. Yorkshire Lass
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11:47am Sat 19 Jan 13

RollandSmoke says...

Shipley MP Philip Davies (Con) said: “It is essential that this is resolved straight away or we will see the death of Bradford city centre by a thousand cuts.”
I suspect we've already lost too much blood to have much of a fight left in us. It is a matter of utmost urgency that the Stanley knife's are taken from the psychopaths down in Westminster. As Mr Davies in part of this dangerous gang I suggest he urges them to disarm and end their campaign of economic violence. If not it is up to we the people to break up the gang and reclaim the proceeds of their crimes.
Shipley MP Philip Davies (Con) said: “It is essential that this is resolved straight away or we will see the death of Bradford city centre by a thousand cuts.” I suspect we've already lost too much blood to have much of a fight left in us. It is a matter of utmost urgency that the Stanley knife's are taken from the psychopaths down in Westminster. As Mr Davies in part of this dangerous gang I suggest he urges them to disarm and end their campaign of economic violence. If not it is up to we the people to break up the gang and reclaim the proceeds of their crimes. RollandSmoke
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11:53am Sat 19 Jan 13

Mr Bradford says...

Are they making cut backs now they have to pay tax or something?
The Waterstones starbucks is tiny, and there's another one a short distance away, plus a costa and cafe nero, so nor a big deal really.
Maybe Waterstones will expand to upstairs now.
Are they making cut backs now they have to pay tax or something? The Waterstones starbucks is tiny, and there's another one a short distance away, plus a costa and cafe nero, so nor a big deal really. Maybe Waterstones will expand to upstairs now. Mr Bradford
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11:55am Sat 19 Jan 13

Mr Bradford says...

Westfield need to start building NOW.
Westfield need to start building NOW. Mr Bradford
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12:13pm Sat 19 Jan 13

thingybob68 says...

thatsnotmyname wrote:
The centre is depressing, thats the truth of it. Its also full of people who look like they've just been released.
Thats why I hop on the train (for less than a bradford bus) to Leeds.
you mean on probabtion ie the youths hanging around neart he greggs witha sign on the door reading youth rehabilitation - ive said it before, were either dealing with very clever and dark forces who have planned Bradfords anihalation to the last detail or we havea bewilderingly inept Council lead by a retired bus driver - i'm inclined to beleive the latter.
[quote][p][bold]thatsnotmyname[/bold] wrote: The centre is depressing, thats the truth of it. Its also full of people who look like they've just been released. Thats why I hop on the train (for less than a bradford bus) to Leeds.[/p][/quote]you mean on probabtion ie the youths hanging around neart he greggs witha sign on the door reading youth rehabilitation - ive said it before, were either dealing with very clever and dark forces who have planned Bradfords anihalation to the last detail or we havea bewilderingly inept Council lead by a retired bus driver - i'm inclined to beleive the latter. thingybob68
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12:16pm Sat 19 Jan 13

OLDLAD says...

Returned to Bradford and on my first day walking around noticed lack of any decent shops and people drinking all over the place. Packs of feral kids being annoying. The one bright spot for the economy of Bradford, judging by the amount of chewing gum on every pavement, is the high sales of chewing gum. Amazed by the amount of vehicles with 4 way flashers on parked on double yellow lines and Community bobbies and traffic wardens just ignoring them. Especially around council buildings. Get the place cleaned up and maybe just maybe decent shops will be interested in Bradford. As it stands it looks like a massive recycling area!!
Returned to Bradford and on my first day walking around noticed lack of any decent shops and people drinking all over the place. Packs of feral kids being annoying. The one bright spot for the economy of Bradford, judging by the amount of chewing gum on every pavement, is the high sales of chewing gum. Amazed by the amount of vehicles with 4 way flashers on parked on double yellow lines and Community bobbies and traffic wardens just ignoring them. Especially around council buildings. Get the place cleaned up and maybe just maybe decent shops will be interested in Bradford. As it stands it looks like a massive recycling area!! OLDLAD
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12:20pm Sat 19 Jan 13

scanipoos says...

"“You cannot allow an important part of your city to become a black hole. It needs mass participation."... Its been like this since you councillors started tearing the heart out of the city years ago. Were the laughing stock of the UK with our HOLE IN THE CENTRE . Instead of building on our heritage. It was torn down and left to rot. Now YOUR seeing the results. If anyone thought a pool of water would change that they were short sighted
"“You cannot allow an important part of your city to become a black hole. It needs mass participation."... Its been like this since you councillors started tearing the heart out of the city years ago. Were the laughing stock of the UK with our HOLE IN THE CENTRE . Instead of building on our heritage. It was torn down and left to rot. Now YOUR seeing the results. If anyone thought a pool of water would change that they were short sighted scanipoos
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12:28pm Sat 19 Jan 13

misterashraf says...

It's unfair to compare Bradford to Leeds, Leeds is number 1 or 2 outside London for shopping. As more commerce is attracted to Leeds, Bradford will continue to decline but one day when Leeds is full to the brim we may see an overflow effect that benefits Bradford. I think that's the social experiment being conducted by the powers that be.
It's unfair to compare Bradford to Leeds, Leeds is number 1 or 2 outside London for shopping. As more commerce is attracted to Leeds, Bradford will continue to decline but one day when Leeds is full to the brim we may see an overflow effect that benefits Bradford. I think that's the social experiment being conducted by the powers that be. misterashraf
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12:36pm Sat 19 Jan 13

Albion. says...

thingybob68 wrote:
thatsnotmyname wrote:
The centre is depressing, thats the truth of it. Its also full of people who look like they've just been released.
Thats why I hop on the train (for less than a bradford bus) to Leeds.
you mean on probabtion ie the youths hanging around neart he greggs witha sign on the door reading youth rehabilitation - ive said it before, were either dealing with very clever and dark forces who have planned Bradfords anihalation to the last detail or we havea bewilderingly inept Council lead by a retired bus driver - i'm inclined to beleive the latter.
To be fair, the council leader has only come into that position very recently and was probably backslapped into position by long term council members who were much more responsible for the things that he frequently seems to be being blamed for.
[quote][p][bold]thingybob68[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thatsnotmyname[/bold] wrote: The centre is depressing, thats the truth of it. Its also full of people who look like they've just been released. Thats why I hop on the train (for less than a bradford bus) to Leeds.[/p][/quote]you mean on probabtion ie the youths hanging around neart he greggs witha sign on the door reading youth rehabilitation - ive said it before, were either dealing with very clever and dark forces who have planned Bradfords anihalation to the last detail or we havea bewilderingly inept Council lead by a retired bus driver - i'm inclined to beleive the latter.[/p][/quote]To be fair, the council leader has only come into that position very recently and was probably backslapped into position by long term council members who were much more responsible for the things that he frequently seems to be being blamed for. Albion.
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12:42pm Sat 19 Jan 13

chard501 says...

Bradford is what you get with the free market economy and the way society changes. 20 years ago you had rubbish and run down parts of towns but now with the way house prices have gone you just have rubbish towns. The people who have the money to spend in the shops we'd all like to see in Bradford upped and left a long time ago. The shops we now have reflect the people of who shop there (pound shops, bookies, charity shops). Bradford isn't the only town/city in this position but in the UK it is the largest and most high profile.

As for making it a city of culture etc. Errr, didn't we just blow all our money on a fountain rather than say a music arena. If you want to get footfall in the city centre then introduce zero tolerance policing around it so that people can go to the media museum and alhambra without being worried about their safety. Also, I'm not into sports much but an obvious thing to me would be to put the bulls and the football club in the one stadium in the centre.
Bradford is what you get with the free market economy and the way society changes. 20 years ago you had rubbish and run down parts of towns but now with the way house prices have gone you just have rubbish towns. The people who have the money to spend in the shops we'd all like to see in Bradford upped and left a long time ago. The shops we now have reflect the people of who shop there (pound shops, bookies, charity shops). Bradford isn't the only town/city in this position but in the UK it is the largest and most high profile. As for making it a city of culture etc. Errr, didn't we just blow all our money on a fountain rather than say a music arena. If you want to get footfall in the city centre then introduce zero tolerance policing around it so that people can go to the media museum and alhambra without being worried about their safety. Also, I'm not into sports much but an obvious thing to me would be to put the bulls and the football club in the one stadium in the centre. chard501
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12:44pm Sat 19 Jan 13

Albion. says...

chard501 wrote:
Bradford is what you get with the free market economy and the way society changes. 20 years ago you had rubbish and run down parts of towns but now with the way house prices have gone you just have rubbish towns. The people who have the money to spend in the shops we'd all like to see in Bradford upped and left a long time ago. The shops we now have reflect the people of who shop there (pound shops, bookies, charity shops). Bradford isn't the only town/city in this position but in the UK it is the largest and most high profile.

As for making it a city of culture etc. Errr, didn't we just blow all our money on a fountain rather than say a music arena. If you want to get footfall in the city centre then introduce zero tolerance policing around it so that people can go to the media museum and alhambra without being worried about their safety. Also, I'm not into sports much but an obvious thing to me would be to put the bulls and the football club in the one stadium in the centre.
Agree entirely.
[quote][p][bold]chard501[/bold] wrote: Bradford is what you get with the free market economy and the way society changes. 20 years ago you had rubbish and run down parts of towns but now with the way house prices have gone you just have rubbish towns. The people who have the money to spend in the shops we'd all like to see in Bradford upped and left a long time ago. The shops we now have reflect the people of who shop there (pound shops, bookies, charity shops). Bradford isn't the only town/city in this position but in the UK it is the largest and most high profile. As for making it a city of culture etc. Errr, didn't we just blow all our money on a fountain rather than say a music arena. If you want to get footfall in the city centre then introduce zero tolerance policing around it so that people can go to the media museum and alhambra without being worried about their safety. Also, I'm not into sports much but an obvious thing to me would be to put the bulls and the football club in the one stadium in the centre.[/p][/quote]Agree entirely. Albion.
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12:52pm Sat 19 Jan 13

RollandSmoke says...

chard501 wrote:
Bradford is what you get with the free market economy and the way society changes. 20 years ago you had rubbish and run down parts of towns but now with the way house prices have gone you just have rubbish towns. The people who have the money to spend in the shops we'd all like to see in Bradford upped and left a long time ago. The shops we now have reflect the people of who shop there (pound shops, bookies, charity shops). Bradford isn't the only town/city in this position but in the UK it is the largest and most high profile.

As for making it a city of culture etc. Errr, didn't we just blow all our money on a fountain rather than say a music arena. If you want to get footfall in the city centre then introduce zero tolerance policing around it so that people can go to the media museum and alhambra without being worried about their safety. Also, I'm not into sports much but an obvious thing to me would be to put the bulls and the football club in the one stadium in the centre.
Whilst football still has a problem with certain elements seeing match day as a call to arms to battle rival fans I'm not sure that having those fans spill out into the city center is wise. Sure they've made progress in ending these violent incidents but there's a way to go before I would see this as a good and more importantly safe idea.
[quote][p][bold]chard501[/bold] wrote: Bradford is what you get with the free market economy and the way society changes. 20 years ago you had rubbish and run down parts of towns but now with the way house prices have gone you just have rubbish towns. The people who have the money to spend in the shops we'd all like to see in Bradford upped and left a long time ago. The shops we now have reflect the people of who shop there (pound shops, bookies, charity shops). Bradford isn't the only town/city in this position but in the UK it is the largest and most high profile. As for making it a city of culture etc. Errr, didn't we just blow all our money on a fountain rather than say a music arena. If you want to get footfall in the city centre then introduce zero tolerance policing around it so that people can go to the media museum and alhambra without being worried about their safety. Also, I'm not into sports much but an obvious thing to me would be to put the bulls and the football club in the one stadium in the centre.[/p][/quote]Whilst football still has a problem with certain elements seeing match day as a call to arms to battle rival fans I'm not sure that having those fans spill out into the city center is wise. Sure they've made progress in ending these violent incidents but there's a way to go before I would see this as a good and more importantly safe idea. RollandSmoke
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1:00pm Sat 19 Jan 13

BD16 says...

RollandSmoke wrote:
chard501 wrote:
Bradford is what you get with the free market economy and the way society changes. 20 years ago you had rubbish and run down parts of towns but now with the way house prices have gone you just have rubbish towns. The people who have the money to spend in the shops we'd all like to see in Bradford upped and left a long time ago. The shops we now have reflect the people of who shop there (pound shops, bookies, charity shops). Bradford isn't the only town/city in this position but in the UK it is the largest and most high profile.

As for making it a city of culture etc. Errr, didn't we just blow all our money on a fountain rather than say a music arena. If you want to get footfall in the city centre then introduce zero tolerance policing around it so that people can go to the media museum and alhambra without being worried about their safety. Also, I'm not into sports much but an obvious thing to me would be to put the bulls and the football club in the one stadium in the centre.
Whilst football still has a problem with certain elements seeing match day as a call to arms to battle rival fans I'm not sure that having those fans spill out into the city center is wise. Sure they've made progress in ending these violent incidents but there's a way to go before I would see this as a good and more importantly safe idea.
When did you last go to a football match? Yes, there is still an element but it's a fraction of what it was.
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]chard501[/bold] wrote: Bradford is what you get with the free market economy and the way society changes. 20 years ago you had rubbish and run down parts of towns but now with the way house prices have gone you just have rubbish towns. The people who have the money to spend in the shops we'd all like to see in Bradford upped and left a long time ago. The shops we now have reflect the people of who shop there (pound shops, bookies, charity shops). Bradford isn't the only town/city in this position but in the UK it is the largest and most high profile. As for making it a city of culture etc. Errr, didn't we just blow all our money on a fountain rather than say a music arena. If you want to get footfall in the city centre then introduce zero tolerance policing around it so that people can go to the media museum and alhambra without being worried about their safety. Also, I'm not into sports much but an obvious thing to me would be to put the bulls and the football club in the one stadium in the centre.[/p][/quote]Whilst football still has a problem with certain elements seeing match day as a call to arms to battle rival fans I'm not sure that having those fans spill out into the city center is wise. Sure they've made progress in ending these violent incidents but there's a way to go before I would see this as a good and more importantly safe idea.[/p][/quote]When did you last go to a football match? Yes, there is still an element but it's a fraction of what it was. BD16
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1:05pm Sat 19 Jan 13

BD16 says...

Albion. wrote:
chard501 wrote:
Bradford is what you get with the free market economy and the way society changes. 20 years ago you had rubbish and run down parts of towns but now with the way house prices have gone you just have rubbish towns. The people who have the money to spend in the shops we'd all like to see in Bradford upped and left a long time ago. The shops we now have reflect the people of who shop there (pound shops, bookies, charity shops). Bradford isn't the only town/city in this position but in the UK it is the largest and most high profile.

As for making it a city of culture etc. Errr, didn't we just blow all our money on a fountain rather than say a music arena. If you want to get footfall in the city centre then introduce zero tolerance policing around it so that people can go to the media museum and alhambra without being worried about their safety. Also, I'm not into sports much but an obvious thing to me would be to put the bulls and the football club in the one stadium in the centre.
Agree entirely.
The make up of Bradfords population means we have a large proportion who want to shop in areas that better reflect their culture and a low wage work force who can't afford higher end shops. Add to this those that won't work then Bradford city centre is what you get. I don't mean this to be offensive or inflammatory but it's the way I see it.
[quote][p][bold]Albion.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]chard501[/bold] wrote: Bradford is what you get with the free market economy and the way society changes. 20 years ago you had rubbish and run down parts of towns but now with the way house prices have gone you just have rubbish towns. The people who have the money to spend in the shops we'd all like to see in Bradford upped and left a long time ago. The shops we now have reflect the people of who shop there (pound shops, bookies, charity shops). Bradford isn't the only town/city in this position but in the UK it is the largest and most high profile. As for making it a city of culture etc. Errr, didn't we just blow all our money on a fountain rather than say a music arena. If you want to get footfall in the city centre then introduce zero tolerance policing around it so that people can go to the media museum and alhambra without being worried about their safety. Also, I'm not into sports much but an obvious thing to me would be to put the bulls and the football club in the one stadium in the centre.[/p][/quote]Agree entirely.[/p][/quote]The make up of Bradfords population means we have a large proportion who want to shop in areas that better reflect their culture and a low wage work force who can't afford higher end shops. Add to this those that won't work then Bradford city centre is what you get. I don't mean this to be offensive or inflammatory but it's the way I see it. BD16
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1:11pm Sat 19 Jan 13

Gemzki-Lou says...

It all comes down to money!.... Bus fares are far too high especially for people with children!..... it's much cheaper online with the option for delivery - and this is the only option when the weather is like what it is!.... Also parking in the town centre is limited!... No1 goes to town anymore! i haven't been for a good eyar or 2 now! I drive to White rose or meadowhall etc .... so much more choice and parking is free!.... or i shop online! ... bradford will hopefully pick up again in the summer... if not then im afraid its at its lowest :(..... bradford isnt the same anymore! i remember going to town every saturday with my mum for shopping!.... I loved it! now its a drag - dump and full of dirty drunks / and beggers!
It all comes down to money!.... Bus fares are far too high especially for people with children!..... it's much cheaper online with the option for delivery - and this is the only option when the weather is like what it is!.... Also parking in the town centre is limited!... No1 goes to town anymore! i haven't been for a good eyar or 2 now! I drive to White rose or meadowhall etc .... so much more choice and parking is free!.... or i shop online! ... bradford will hopefully pick up again in the summer... if not then im afraid its at its lowest :(..... bradford isnt the same anymore! i remember going to town every saturday with my mum for shopping!.... I loved it! now its a drag - dump and full of dirty drunks / and beggers! Gemzki-Lou
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1:13pm Sat 19 Jan 13

RollandSmoke says...

BD16 wrote:
Albion. wrote:
chard501 wrote:
Bradford is what you get with the free market economy and the way society changes. 20 years ago you had rubbish and run down parts of towns but now with the way house prices have gone you just have rubbish towns. The people who have the money to spend in the shops we'd all like to see in Bradford upped and left a long time ago. The shops we now have reflect the people of who shop there (pound shops, bookies, charity shops). Bradford isn't the only town/city in this position but in the UK it is the largest and most high profile.

As for making it a city of culture etc. Errr, didn't we just blow all our money on a fountain rather than say a music arena. If you want to get footfall in the city centre then introduce zero tolerance policing around it so that people can go to the media museum and alhambra without being worried about their safety. Also, I'm not into sports much but an obvious thing to me would be to put the bulls and the football club in the one stadium in the centre.
Agree entirely.
The make up of Bradfords population means we have a large proportion who want to shop in areas that better reflect their culture and a low wage work force who can't afford higher end shops. Add to this those that won't work then Bradford city centre is what you get. I don't mean this to be offensive or inflammatory but it's the way I see it.
Strange that you use a story about businesses closing as a platform to accuse Bradfordian's of being workshy. Low paid I will agree with as many businesses are exploiting the situation we find ourselves in and starving the local economy of disposable income thus hastening it's demise.
[quote][p][bold]BD16[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]chard501[/bold] wrote: Bradford is what you get with the free market economy and the way society changes. 20 years ago you had rubbish and run down parts of towns but now with the way house prices have gone you just have rubbish towns. The people who have the money to spend in the shops we'd all like to see in Bradford upped and left a long time ago. The shops we now have reflect the people of who shop there (pound shops, bookies, charity shops). Bradford isn't the only town/city in this position but in the UK it is the largest and most high profile. As for making it a city of culture etc. Errr, didn't we just blow all our money on a fountain rather than say a music arena. If you want to get footfall in the city centre then introduce zero tolerance policing around it so that people can go to the media museum and alhambra without being worried about their safety. Also, I'm not into sports much but an obvious thing to me would be to put the bulls and the football club in the one stadium in the centre.[/p][/quote]Agree entirely.[/p][/quote]The make up of Bradfords population means we have a large proportion who want to shop in areas that better reflect their culture and a low wage work force who can't afford higher end shops. Add to this those that won't work then Bradford city centre is what you get. I don't mean this to be offensive or inflammatory but it's the way I see it.[/p][/quote]Strange that you use a story about businesses closing as a platform to accuse Bradfordian's of being workshy. Low paid I will agree with as many businesses are exploiting the situation we find ourselves in and starving the local economy of disposable income thus hastening it's demise. RollandSmoke
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1:19pm Sat 19 Jan 13

glue ear says...

the council wont be happy til our city centre resembles lumb lane.a veritable **** of multiculturism. over and out.
the council wont be happy til our city centre resembles lumb lane.a veritable **** of multiculturism. over and out. glue ear
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1:27pm Sat 19 Jan 13

Avro says...

Albion. wrote:
thingybob68 wrote:
thatsnotmyname wrote:
The centre is depressing, thats the truth of it. Its also full of people who look like they've just been released.
Thats why I hop on the train (for less than a bradford bus) to Leeds.
you mean on probabtion ie the youths hanging around neart he greggs witha sign on the door reading youth rehabilitation - ive said it before, were either dealing with very clever and dark forces who have planned Bradfords anihalation to the last detail or we havea bewilderingly inept Council lead by a retired bus driver - i'm inclined to beleive the latter.
To be fair, the council leader has only come into that position very recently and was probably backslapped into position by long term council members who were much more responsible for the things that he frequently seems to be being blamed for.
I also belive the latter....an inept Council lead by a retired bus driver who lives in Cloud Cuckoo Land just like his predessor who now has a gong to show for it!
[quote][p][bold]Albion.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thingybob68[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thatsnotmyname[/bold] wrote: The centre is depressing, thats the truth of it. Its also full of people who look like they've just been released. Thats why I hop on the train (for less than a bradford bus) to Leeds.[/p][/quote]you mean on probabtion ie the youths hanging around neart he greggs witha sign on the door reading youth rehabilitation - ive said it before, were either dealing with very clever and dark forces who have planned Bradfords anihalation to the last detail or we havea bewilderingly inept Council lead by a retired bus driver - i'm inclined to beleive the latter.[/p][/quote]To be fair, the council leader has only come into that position very recently and was probably backslapped into position by long term council members who were much more responsible for the things that he frequently seems to be being blamed for.[/p][/quote]I also belive the latter....an inept Council lead by a retired bus driver who lives in Cloud Cuckoo Land just like his predessor who now has a gong to show for it! Avro
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1:29pm Sat 19 Jan 13

Commonsensefirst says...

I'm excited by the prospect of an opportunity to change the retail structure of Bradford, and we'll have all the space in which to be creative - with absolutely no competition.
I'm excited by the prospect of an opportunity to change the retail structure of Bradford, and we'll have all the space in which to be creative - with absolutely no competition. Commonsensefirst
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1:46pm Sat 19 Jan 13

tyker2 says...

I have said build a multi purpose stadium in the city with cinemas,theatres and other facilities.

Extend the train station at Forster Square into the stadium, Valley Parade and Odsal could be turned into secure park and rides with electronic tram systems into the stadium.

A stadium used 365 days a year and 24 hours a day if necessary.

This is the way forward but will need corporate/council funding. How much have the council wasted on Westfield over the years.

The proposals are radical but something positive has to be considered and acted on sooner rather than later
I have said build a multi purpose stadium in the city with cinemas,theatres and other facilities. Extend the train station at Forster Square into the stadium, Valley Parade and Odsal could be turned into secure park and rides with electronic tram systems into the stadium. A stadium used 365 days a year and 24 hours a day if necessary. This is the way forward but will need corporate/council funding. How much have the council wasted on Westfield over the years. The proposals are radical but something positive has to be considered and acted on sooner rather than later tyker2
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1:59pm Sat 19 Jan 13

Not so simple says...

Told you it was closing down. Tap myself on the back for breaking the news before the Telegraph...again.
Told you it was closing down. Tap myself on the back for breaking the news before the Telegraph...again. Not so simple
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2:05pm Sat 19 Jan 13

webess says...

OLDLAD wrote:
Returned to Bradford and on my first day walking around noticed lack of any decent shops and people drinking all over the place. Packs of feral kids being annoying. The one bright spot for the economy of Bradford, judging by the amount of chewing gum on every pavement, is the high sales of chewing gum. Amazed by the amount of vehicles with 4 way flashers on parked on double yellow lines and Community bobbies and traffic wardens just ignoring them. Especially around council buildings. Get the place cleaned up and maybe just maybe decent shops will be interested in Bradford. As it stands it looks like a massive recycling area!!
Bradford centre sure is no paradise, but the post above sounds made up to me. Looks like the poster has tried to put every cliche they can think of into one post.
[quote][p][bold]OLDLAD[/bold] wrote: Returned to Bradford and on my first day walking around noticed lack of any decent shops and people drinking all over the place. Packs of feral kids being annoying. The one bright spot for the economy of Bradford, judging by the amount of chewing gum on every pavement, is the high sales of chewing gum. Amazed by the amount of vehicles with 4 way flashers on parked on double yellow lines and Community bobbies and traffic wardens just ignoring them. Especially around council buildings. Get the place cleaned up and maybe just maybe decent shops will be interested in Bradford. As it stands it looks like a massive recycling area!![/p][/quote]Bradford centre sure is no paradise, but the post above sounds made up to me. Looks like the poster has tried to put every cliche they can think of into one post. webess
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2:14pm Sat 19 Jan 13

BD16 says...

RollandSmoke wrote:
BD16 wrote:
Albion. wrote:
chard501 wrote:
Bradford is what you get with the free market economy and the way society changes. 20 years ago you had rubbish and run down parts of towns but now with the way house prices have gone you just have rubbish towns. The people who have the money to spend in the shops we'd all like to see in Bradford upped and left a long time ago. The shops we now have reflect the people of who shop there (pound shops, bookies, charity shops). Bradford isn't the only town/city in this position but in the UK it is the largest and most high profile.

As for making it a city of culture etc. Errr, didn't we just blow all our money on a fountain rather than say a music arena. If you want to get footfall in the city centre then introduce zero tolerance policing around it so that people can go to the media museum and alhambra without being worried about their safety. Also, I'm not into sports much but an obvious thing to me would be to put the bulls and the football club in the one stadium in the centre.
Agree entirely.
The make up of Bradfords population means we have a large proportion who want to shop in areas that better reflect their culture and a low wage work force who can't afford higher end shops. Add to this those that won't work then Bradford city centre is what you get. I don't mean this to be offensive or inflammatory but it's the way I see it.
Strange that you use a story about businesses closing as a platform to accuse Bradfordian's of being workshy. Low paid I will agree with as many businesses are exploiting the situation we find ourselves in and starving the local economy of disposable income thus hastening it's demise.
I commented on a post about the reasons for Bradfords shops closing down and gave what I thought are some of the reasons. I never accused all Bradfordians of being workshy, though I do believe that we have an element who play the system. Please read the last sentence again and stop being paranoid.
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BD16[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]chard501[/bold] wrote: Bradford is what you get with the free market economy and the way society changes. 20 years ago you had rubbish and run down parts of towns but now with the way house prices have gone you just have rubbish towns. The people who have the money to spend in the shops we'd all like to see in Bradford upped and left a long time ago. The shops we now have reflect the people of who shop there (pound shops, bookies, charity shops). Bradford isn't the only town/city in this position but in the UK it is the largest and most high profile. As for making it a city of culture etc. Errr, didn't we just blow all our money on a fountain rather than say a music arena. If you want to get footfall in the city centre then introduce zero tolerance policing around it so that people can go to the media museum and alhambra without being worried about their safety. Also, I'm not into sports much but an obvious thing to me would be to put the bulls and the football club in the one stadium in the centre.[/p][/quote]Agree entirely.[/p][/quote]The make up of Bradfords population means we have a large proportion who want to shop in areas that better reflect their culture and a low wage work force who can't afford higher end shops. Add to this those that won't work then Bradford city centre is what you get. I don't mean this to be offensive or inflammatory but it's the way I see it.[/p][/quote]Strange that you use a story about businesses closing as a platform to accuse Bradfordian's of being workshy. Low paid I will agree with as many businesses are exploiting the situation we find ourselves in and starving the local economy of disposable income thus hastening it's demise.[/p][/quote]I commented on a post about the reasons for Bradfords shops closing down and gave what I thought are some of the reasons. I never accused all Bradfordians of being workshy, though I do believe that we have an element who play the system. Please read the last sentence again and stop being paranoid. BD16
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2:25pm Sat 19 Jan 13

robholmes says...

So another shop shuts in bradford city centre. So what, it wont be the last.
A very good job has been done with the water park but thats about it. There isnt much left in bradford now that makes me want to spend my money there.
Its full of pound shop, muggers and foreigners!
To all those folk that say bradford is a dump..........i agree!
So another shop shuts in bradford city centre. So what, it wont be the last. A very good job has been done with the water park but thats about it. There isnt much left in bradford now that makes me want to spend my money there. Its full of pound shop, muggers and foreigners! To all those folk that say bradford is a dump..........i agree! robholmes
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2:30pm Sat 19 Jan 13

FashionSlaves says...

If you want retailers to open businesses in the city the Landlords & Councils need to give them good incentives. I have been looking in Bradford to open a new young trendy fashion shop for over a year. There are many shops empty in the city and when you ask the agents for cheap deals, just to fill the units up you get the door slammed in your face and they say no sorry the landlord wont accept it. Landlords want full rental value and are happy to have an empty shop for years. Why not offer it to a new business who will pay the business rates for them and maybe give a small amount to the landlord until they find a long term tenant for the unit. The council needs to sort this issue out and get together with these landlords.
Why cant the council speak too the real businesses/entrepren
eurs out there instead of sitting in there offices and talking rubbish!!!
If you want retailers to open businesses in the city the Landlords & Councils need to give them good incentives. I have been looking in Bradford to open a new young trendy fashion shop for over a year. There are many shops empty in the city and when you ask the agents for cheap deals, just to fill the units up you get the door slammed in your face and they say no sorry the landlord wont accept it. Landlords want full rental value and are happy to have an empty shop for years. Why not offer it to a new business who will pay the business rates for them and maybe give a small amount to the landlord until they find a long term tenant for the unit. The council needs to sort this issue out and get together with these landlords. Why cant the council speak too the real businesses/entrepren eurs out there instead of sitting in there offices and talking rubbish!!! FashionSlaves
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2:46pm Sat 19 Jan 13

Northern1 says...

Bradford South MP Gerry Sutcliffe (Lab), welcomed the idea. He said: “We should sell the city as a centre of cultural, media and sport, with the National Media Museum, the Alhambra and the Bulls and Bradford City."
Yet the council's 'strategy' is to develop the Odeon as office space despite it being in the middle of their 'leisure and entertainment' sector on their blueprint. A blueprint, I might add, where the handsomely-paid project team 'experts' and Council leaders were so inept that they incorrectly labeled the Library complex as the 'Alhambra' (thus having 2 Alhambras) on the gaily coloured map they touted through the T&A. Seriously, you couldn't make this kind of incompetence up. It's not changing shopping habits and the recession that are to blame for Bradford's demise, , the fault lies much closer to home.
Bradford South MP Gerry Sutcliffe (Lab), welcomed the idea. He said: “We should sell the city as a centre of cultural, media and sport, with the National Media Museum, the Alhambra and the Bulls and Bradford City." Yet the council's 'strategy' is to develop the Odeon as office space despite it being in the middle of their 'leisure and entertainment' sector on their blueprint. A blueprint, I might add, where the handsomely-paid project team 'experts' and Council leaders were so inept that they incorrectly labeled the Library complex as the 'Alhambra' (thus having 2 Alhambras) on the gaily coloured map they touted through the T&A. Seriously, you couldn't make this kind of incompetence up. It's not changing shopping habits and the recession that are to blame for Bradford's demise, , the fault lies much closer to home. Northern1
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2:49pm Sat 19 Jan 13

birday says...

Please, please, please close down the Bradford town centre and turn the area into residential housing/apartments - we can then all stop fretting about it and move on.
.
Oh and can we please have more bus routes with frequent buses from those parts of Bradford that don't currently have them to other towns and shopping centres - Keighley, Halifax, Skipton, Huddersfield, Ilkley, Leeds, Brighouse, Whiterose centre, Owlcotes etc.
.
Also, how about totally disbanding the City of Bradford ie dividing it up and attaching it to surrounding local local authorities such as Calderdale Coucil, Craven District Council, Leeds Council etc. Get rid of the name Bradford all together. Wibsey could become an additional area of Halifax, Bingley and Keighley could become part of Craven Council etc Is there anyone else out there who thinks could be a good idea? Just think about the impact on political power in the here and how this would be changed! Um?!
Please, please, please close down the Bradford town centre and turn the area into residential housing/apartments - we can then all stop fretting about it and move on. . Oh and can we please have more bus routes with frequent buses from those parts of Bradford that don't currently have them to other towns and shopping centres - Keighley, Halifax, Skipton, Huddersfield, Ilkley, Leeds, Brighouse, Whiterose centre, Owlcotes etc. . Also, how about totally disbanding the City of Bradford ie dividing it up and attaching it to surrounding local local authorities such as Calderdale Coucil, Craven District Council, Leeds Council etc. Get rid of the name Bradford all together. Wibsey could become an additional area of Halifax, Bingley and Keighley could become part of Craven Council etc Is there anyone else out there who thinks could be a good idea? Just think about the impact on political power in the here and how this would be changed! Um?! birday
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3:08pm Sat 19 Jan 13

Mr Bradford says...

birday wrote:
Please, please, please close down the Bradford town centre and turn the area into residential housing/apartments - we can then all stop fretting about it and move on.
.
Oh and can we please have more bus routes with frequent buses from those parts of Bradford that don't currently have them to other towns and shopping centres - Keighley, Halifax, Skipton, Huddersfield, Ilkley, Leeds, Brighouse, Whiterose centre, Owlcotes etc.
.
Also, how about totally disbanding the City of Bradford ie dividing it up and attaching it to surrounding local local authorities such as Calderdale Coucil, Craven District Council, Leeds Council etc. Get rid of the name Bradford all together. Wibsey could become an additional area of Halifax, Bingley and Keighley could become part of Craven Council etc Is there anyone else out there who thinks could be a good idea? Just think about the impact on political power in the here and how this would be changed! Um?!
no that's a ridiculous and pointless idea.
[quote][p][bold]birday[/bold] wrote: Please, please, please close down the Bradford town centre and turn the area into residential housing/apartments - we can then all stop fretting about it and move on. . Oh and can we please have more bus routes with frequent buses from those parts of Bradford that don't currently have them to other towns and shopping centres - Keighley, Halifax, Skipton, Huddersfield, Ilkley, Leeds, Brighouse, Whiterose centre, Owlcotes etc. . Also, how about totally disbanding the City of Bradford ie dividing it up and attaching it to surrounding local local authorities such as Calderdale Coucil, Craven District Council, Leeds Council etc. Get rid of the name Bradford all together. Wibsey could become an additional area of Halifax, Bingley and Keighley could become part of Craven Council etc Is there anyone else out there who thinks could be a good idea? Just think about the impact on political power in the here and how this would be changed! Um?![/p][/quote]no that's a ridiculous and pointless idea. Mr Bradford
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3:11pm Sat 19 Jan 13

Mr Bradford says...

People love to make out that it's only in Bradford this is happening, but HMV/Jessops/Millets/
Comet etc have closed down or are closing down in every town and city in the country.
People love to make out that it's only in Bradford this is happening, but HMV/Jessops/Millets/ Comet etc have closed down or are closing down in every town and city in the country. Mr Bradford
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3:23pm Sat 19 Jan 13

OLDLAD says...

Webes: Walk done the precinct area on the M&S side and tell me there is no chewing gum, name me 2 decent shops tell me the gangs inside Kirkgate and around the lake arent there. I write what I see not what I think I would like to see!!!
Webes: Walk done the precinct area on the M&S side and tell me there is no chewing gum, name me 2 decent shops tell me the gangs inside Kirkgate and around the lake arent there. I write what I see not what I think I would like to see!!! OLDLAD
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3:31pm Sat 19 Jan 13

Clowny says...

Mr Bradford wrote:
People love to make out that it's only in Bradford this is happening, but HMV/Jessops/Millets/

Comet etc have closed down or are closing down in every town and city in the country.
You'll find Game has stayed open in busier cities and is even considering a bid for HMV's successful stores.
[quote][p][bold]Mr Bradford[/bold] wrote: People love to make out that it's only in Bradford this is happening, but HMV/Jessops/Millets/ Comet etc have closed down or are closing down in every town and city in the country.[/p][/quote]You'll find Game has stayed open in busier cities and is even considering a bid for HMV's successful stores. Clowny
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3:32pm Sat 19 Jan 13

Mr Bradford says...

OLDLAD wrote:
Webes: Walk done the precinct area on the M&S side and tell me there is no chewing gum, name me 2 decent shops tell me the gangs inside Kirkgate and around the lake arent there. I write what I see not what I think I would like to see!!!
Tell me there's no chewing gum on streets in any other major city...
by "gangs" do you mean harmless groups of people?
Threads and Table Decore are two decent shops.
[quote][p][bold]OLDLAD[/bold] wrote: Webes: Walk done the precinct area on the M&S side and tell me there is no chewing gum, name me 2 decent shops tell me the gangs inside Kirkgate and around the lake arent there. I write what I see not what I think I would like to see!!![/p][/quote]Tell me there's no chewing gum on streets in any other major city... by "gangs" do you mean harmless groups of people? Threads and Table Decore are two decent shops. Mr Bradford
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3:33pm Sat 19 Jan 13

Mr Bradford says...

Clowny wrote:
Mr Bradford wrote:
People love to make out that it's only in Bradford this is happening, but HMV/Jessops/Millets/


Comet etc have closed down or are closing down in every town and city in the country.
You'll find Game has stayed open in busier cities and is even considering a bid for HMV's successful stores.
I think you'll find there's still a Game in Bradford.
[quote][p][bold]Clowny[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Bradford[/bold] wrote: People love to make out that it's only in Bradford this is happening, but HMV/Jessops/Millets/ Comet etc have closed down or are closing down in every town and city in the country.[/p][/quote]You'll find Game has stayed open in busier cities and is even considering a bid for HMV's successful stores.[/p][/quote]I think you'll find there's still a Game in Bradford. Mr Bradford
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3:34pm Sat 19 Jan 13

Not so simple says...

OLDLAD wrote:
Webes: Walk done the precinct area on the M&S side and tell me there is no chewing gum, name me 2 decent shops tell me the gangs inside Kirkgate and around the lake arent there. I write what I see not what I think I would like to see!!!
Agree unfortunately.


The worrying point is that these gangs/rowdy groups are so obvious and stick out like sore thumbs. Why aren't the police or local authority noticing these louts? Maybe they are still gathering intelligence...whate
ver!
[quote][p][bold]OLDLAD[/bold] wrote: Webes: Walk done the precinct area on the M&S side and tell me there is no chewing gum, name me 2 decent shops tell me the gangs inside Kirkgate and around the lake arent there. I write what I see not what I think I would like to see!!![/p][/quote]Agree unfortunately. The worrying point is that these gangs/rowdy groups are so obvious and stick out like sore thumbs. Why aren't the police or local authority noticing these louts? Maybe they are still gathering intelligence...whate ver! Not so simple
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3:45pm Sat 19 Jan 13

ANY WHERE BUT HERE says...

The town is been decimated with one bad
decision after another, why are they feeding the homeless at the side of city hall? My partner was down that way last Thursday about seven thirty, she **** herself 40/50 destitute men of all nationalites asking for change.
vote ukip, stop the immigration, then turn back to our councillors,politici
ans and ask them some hard questions about treason?
Were always been told Bradford has its own unique problems, well were getting fed up with them not been addressed.
The town is been decimated with one bad decision after another, why are they feeding the homeless at the side of city hall? My partner was down that way last Thursday about seven thirty, she **** herself 40/50 destitute men of all nationalites asking for change. vote ukip, stop the immigration, then turn back to our councillors,politici ans and ask them some hard questions about treason? Were always been told Bradford has its own unique problems, well were getting fed up with them not been addressed. ANY WHERE BUT HERE
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3:48pm Sat 19 Jan 13

ANY WHERE BUT HERE says...

FEED THEM JUST THINK WHERE YOUR DOING IT, MORONS!!
FEED THEM JUST THINK WHERE YOUR DOING IT, MORONS!! ANY WHERE BUT HERE
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3:53pm Sat 19 Jan 13

gwgwgw says...

misterashraf wrote:
It's unfair to compare Bradford to Leeds, Leeds is number 1 or 2 outside London for shopping. As more commerce is attracted to Leeds, Bradford will continue to decline but one day when Leeds is full to the brim we may see an overflow effect that benefits Bradford. I think that's the social experiment being conducted by the powers that be.
think on
[quote][p][bold]misterashraf[/bold] wrote: It's unfair to compare Bradford to Leeds, Leeds is number 1 or 2 outside London for shopping. As more commerce is attracted to Leeds, Bradford will continue to decline but one day when Leeds is full to the brim we may see an overflow effect that benefits Bradford. I think that's the social experiment being conducted by the powers that be.[/p][/quote]think on gwgwgw
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3:56pm Sat 19 Jan 13

Clowny says...

Mr Bradford wrote:
Clowny wrote:
Mr Bradford wrote:
People love to make out that it's only in Bradford this is happening, but HMV/Jessops/Millets/



Comet etc have closed down or are closing down in every town and city in the country.
You'll find Game has stayed open in busier cities and is even considering a bid for HMV's successful stores.
I think you'll find there's still a Game in Bradford.
Has the Darley Street one reopened as that did close?
[quote][p][bold]Mr Bradford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clowny[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Bradford[/bold] wrote: People love to make out that it's only in Bradford this is happening, but HMV/Jessops/Millets/ Comet etc have closed down or are closing down in every town and city in the country.[/p][/quote]You'll find Game has stayed open in busier cities and is even considering a bid for HMV's successful stores.[/p][/quote]I think you'll find there's still a Game in Bradford.[/p][/quote]Has the Darley Street one reopened as that did close? Clowny
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3:57pm Sat 19 Jan 13

Cooperlane2 says...

Given the demographics of those visiting the city centre, the solution is obvious:
Opium dens and Speakeasies.
Given the demographics of those visiting the city centre, the solution is obvious: Opium dens and Speakeasies. Cooperlane2
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4:14pm Sat 19 Jan 13

collos25 says...

There seems to a lot of calls for Westfield to start building but exactly what do they build shops that nobody wants to occupy offices that nobody wants to occupy hotels nobody wants to occupy .They cannot built on the off chance somebody might come along sometime .I am not a lover of Westfield the real culprits are the Councillors who are incompetent, corrupt of ideas and some are possible corrupt in the true sense of meaning.The various Mps for the area only interested in keeping on the gravy train they are not really interested whether Bradford city centre thrives or dies it will not really effect them. Why not turn Bradford centre into a northern Las Vegas its just a thought everything else seems to have failed.
There seems to a lot of calls for Westfield to start building but exactly what do they build shops that nobody wants to occupy offices that nobody wants to occupy hotels nobody wants to occupy .They cannot built on the off chance somebody might come along sometime .I am not a lover of Westfield the real culprits are the Councillors who are incompetent, corrupt of ideas and some are possible corrupt in the true sense of meaning.The various Mps for the area only interested in keeping on the gravy train they are not really interested whether Bradford city centre thrives or dies it will not really effect them. Why not turn Bradford centre into a northern Las Vegas its just a thought everything else seems to have failed. collos25
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4:31pm Sat 19 Jan 13

Mr Bradford says...

Clowny wrote:
Mr Bradford wrote:
Clowny wrote:
Mr Bradford wrote:
People love to make out that it's only in Bradford this is happening, but HMV/Jessops/Millets/




Comet etc have closed down or are closing down in every town and city in the country.
You'll find Game has stayed open in busier cities and is even considering a bid for HMV's successful stores.
I think you'll find there's still a Game in Bradford.
Has the Darley Street one reopened as that did close?
Gamestation never closed, and it's now called Game.
[quote][p][bold]Clowny[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Bradford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clowny[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Bradford[/bold] wrote: People love to make out that it's only in Bradford this is happening, but HMV/Jessops/Millets/ Comet etc have closed down or are closing down in every town and city in the country.[/p][/quote]You'll find Game has stayed open in busier cities and is even considering a bid for HMV's successful stores.[/p][/quote]I think you'll find there's still a Game in Bradford.[/p][/quote]Has the Darley Street one reopened as that did close?[/p][/quote]Gamestation never closed, and it's now called Game. Mr Bradford
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4:34pm Sat 19 Jan 13

RollandSmoke says...

misterashraf wrote:
It's unfair to compare Bradford to Leeds, Leeds is number 1 or 2 outside London for shopping. As more commerce is attracted to Leeds, Bradford will continue to decline but one day when Leeds is full to the brim we may see an overflow effect that benefits Bradford. I think that's the social experiment being conducted by the powers that be.
The Thatcher government toyed with the idea of writing off Liverpool after the riots of 1981. It took 30 years for this to become public knowledge. It's entirely possible that a simular decision was made about Bradford after our riots but as yet we are none the wiser.

http://www.guardian.
co.uk/uk/2011/dec/30
/thatcher-government
-liverpool-riots-198
1
[quote][p][bold]misterashraf[/bold] wrote: It's unfair to compare Bradford to Leeds, Leeds is number 1 or 2 outside London for shopping. As more commerce is attracted to Leeds, Bradford will continue to decline but one day when Leeds is full to the brim we may see an overflow effect that benefits Bradford. I think that's the social experiment being conducted by the powers that be.[/p][/quote]The Thatcher government toyed with the idea of writing off Liverpool after the riots of 1981. It took 30 years for this to become public knowledge. It's entirely possible that a simular decision was made about Bradford after our riots but as yet we are none the wiser. http://www.guardian. co.uk/uk/2011/dec/30 /thatcher-government -liverpool-riots-198 1 RollandSmoke
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5:02pm Sat 19 Jan 13

The Hoffster says...

angry bradfordian wrote:
An excellent point by David Ward. George Galloway is the MP for the City Centre and he's saying the council should be lobbying parliament.

Isn't that what Galloway is paid to do as an MP. He seems to be too busy campaigning for the Middle East and Central American dictators to bother with his constituency.
He's an MP which means he can speak on local, national, and international issues.

Your hatred of GG is pathetic.
[quote][p][bold]angry bradfordian[/bold] wrote: An excellent point by David Ward. George Galloway is the MP for the City Centre and he's saying the council should be lobbying parliament. Isn't that what Galloway is paid to do as an MP. He seems to be too busy campaigning for the Middle East and Central American dictators to bother with his constituency.[/p][/quote]He's an MP which means he can speak on local, national, and international issues. Your hatred of GG is pathetic. The Hoffster
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5:08pm Sat 19 Jan 13

The Hoffster says...

Mr Bradford wrote:
Clowny wrote:
Mr Bradford wrote:
People love to make out that it's only in Bradford this is happening, but HMV/Jessops/Millets/



Comet etc have closed down or are closing down in every town and city in the country.
You'll find Game has stayed open in busier cities and is even considering a bid for HMV's successful stores.
I think you'll find there's still a Game in Bradford.
Do they involve hookers ?
[quote][p][bold]Mr Bradford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clowny[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Bradford[/bold] wrote: People love to make out that it's only in Bradford this is happening, but HMV/Jessops/Millets/ Comet etc have closed down or are closing down in every town and city in the country.[/p][/quote]You'll find Game has stayed open in busier cities and is even considering a bid for HMV's successful stores.[/p][/quote]I think you'll find there's still a Game in Bradford.[/p][/quote]Do they involve hookers ? The Hoffster
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5:34pm Sat 19 Jan 13

webshow says...

You will find there is still a large demand for the good shopping experience. Bradford has minimal to offer & whilst this can be laid mostly to blame on politicians weaknesses controlling the council I believe Bradford can bounce back with a large indoor shopping center & free parking. Free parking is the key to attract shoppers with families.
You will find there is still a large demand for the good shopping experience. Bradford has minimal to offer & whilst this can be laid mostly to blame on politicians weaknesses controlling the council I believe Bradford can bounce back with a large indoor shopping center & free parking. Free parking is the key to attract shoppers with families. webshow
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5:39pm Sat 19 Jan 13

collos25 says...

webshow wrote:
You will find there is still a large demand for the good shopping experience. Bradford has minimal to offer & whilst this can be laid mostly to blame on politicians weaknesses controlling the council I believe Bradford can bounce back with a large indoor shopping center & free parking. Free parking is the key to attract shoppers with families.
Unfortunately you will not get either.
[quote][p][bold]webshow[/bold] wrote: You will find there is still a large demand for the good shopping experience. Bradford has minimal to offer & whilst this can be laid mostly to blame on politicians weaknesses controlling the council I believe Bradford can bounce back with a large indoor shopping center & free parking. Free parking is the key to attract shoppers with families.[/p][/quote]Unfortunately you will not get either. collos25
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5:47pm Sat 19 Jan 13

Mr Bradford says...

collos25 wrote:
webshow wrote:
You will find there is still a large demand for the good shopping experience. Bradford has minimal to offer & whilst this can be laid mostly to blame on politicians weaknesses controlling the council I believe Bradford can bounce back with a large indoor shopping center & free parking. Free parking is the key to attract shoppers with families.
Unfortunately you will not get either.
There's Free parking at Forster Sq, and Little Germany on weekends.
[quote][p][bold]collos25[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]webshow[/bold] wrote: You will find there is still a large demand for the good shopping experience. Bradford has minimal to offer & whilst this can be laid mostly to blame on politicians weaknesses controlling the council I believe Bradford can bounce back with a large indoor shopping center & free parking. Free parking is the key to attract shoppers with families.[/p][/quote]Unfortunately you will not get either.[/p][/quote]There's Free parking at Forster Sq, and Little Germany on weekends. Mr Bradford
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6:07pm Sat 19 Jan 13

mr-dog says...

Mr Bradford wrote:
collos25 wrote:
webshow wrote:
You will find there is still a large demand for the good shopping experience. Bradford has minimal to offer & whilst this can be laid mostly to blame on politicians weaknesses controlling the council I believe Bradford can bounce back with a large indoor shopping center & free parking. Free parking is the key to attract shoppers with families.
Unfortunately you will not get either.
There's Free parking at Forster Sq, and Little Germany on weekends.
People need to be very careful parking at Forster Square. They have automated cameras taking pictures of your registration plate as you enter and leave. Overstay your welcome and you will receive a fine in the post. Swines...
[quote][p][bold]Mr Bradford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]collos25[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]webshow[/bold] wrote: You will find there is still a large demand for the good shopping experience. Bradford has minimal to offer & whilst this can be laid mostly to blame on politicians weaknesses controlling the council I believe Bradford can bounce back with a large indoor shopping center & free parking. Free parking is the key to attract shoppers with families.[/p][/quote]Unfortunately you will not get either.[/p][/quote]There's Free parking at Forster Sq, and Little Germany on weekends.[/p][/quote]People need to be very careful parking at Forster Square. They have automated cameras taking pictures of your registration plate as you enter and leave. Overstay your welcome and you will receive a fine in the post. Swines... mr-dog
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6:12pm Sat 19 Jan 13

Mr Bradford says...

mr-dog wrote:
Mr Bradford wrote:
collos25 wrote:
webshow wrote:
You will find there is still a large demand for the good shopping experience. Bradford has minimal to offer & whilst this can be laid mostly to blame on politicians weaknesses controlling the council I believe Bradford can bounce back with a large indoor shopping center & free parking. Free parking is the key to attract shoppers with families.
Unfortunately you will not get either.
There's Free parking at Forster Sq, and Little Germany on weekends.
People need to be very careful parking at Forster Square. They have automated cameras taking pictures of your registration plate as you enter and leave. Overstay your welcome and you will receive a fine in the post. Swines...
you get 3 hours which is fair. If you park there longer it's your own fault if you get a ticket.
[quote][p][bold]mr-dog[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Bradford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]collos25[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]webshow[/bold] wrote: You will find there is still a large demand for the good shopping experience. Bradford has minimal to offer & whilst this can be laid mostly to blame on politicians weaknesses controlling the council I believe Bradford can bounce back with a large indoor shopping center & free parking. Free parking is the key to attract shoppers with families.[/p][/quote]Unfortunately you will not get either.[/p][/quote]There's Free parking at Forster Sq, and Little Germany on weekends.[/p][/quote]People need to be very careful parking at Forster Square. They have automated cameras taking pictures of your registration plate as you enter and leave. Overstay your welcome and you will receive a fine in the post. Swines...[/p][/quote]you get 3 hours which is fair. If you park there longer it's your own fault if you get a ticket. Mr Bradford
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6:30pm Sat 19 Jan 13

birday says...

Mr Bradford wrote:
birday wrote:
Please, please, please close down the Bradford town centre and turn the area into residential housing/apartments - we can then all stop fretting about it and move on.
.
Oh and can we please have more bus routes with frequent buses from those parts of Bradford that don't currently have them to other towns and shopping centres - Keighley, Halifax, Skipton, Huddersfield, Ilkley, Leeds, Brighouse, Whiterose centre, Owlcotes etc.
.
Also, how about totally disbanding the City of Bradford ie dividing it up and attaching it to surrounding local local authorities such as Calderdale Coucil, Craven District Council, Leeds Council etc. Get rid of the name Bradford all together. Wibsey could become an additional area of Halifax, Bingley and Keighley could become part of Craven Council etc Is there anyone else out there who thinks could be a good idea? Just think about the impact on political power in the here and how this would be changed! Um?!
no that's a ridiculous and pointless idea.
It solves the Bradford problem if it no longer exists .... we can all move on! There's nothing left to save here. True Bradford's gone!
[quote][p][bold]Mr Bradford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]birday[/bold] wrote: Please, please, please close down the Bradford town centre and turn the area into residential housing/apartments - we can then all stop fretting about it and move on. . Oh and can we please have more bus routes with frequent buses from those parts of Bradford that don't currently have them to other towns and shopping centres - Keighley, Halifax, Skipton, Huddersfield, Ilkley, Leeds, Brighouse, Whiterose centre, Owlcotes etc. . Also, how about totally disbanding the City of Bradford ie dividing it up and attaching it to surrounding local local authorities such as Calderdale Coucil, Craven District Council, Leeds Council etc. Get rid of the name Bradford all together. Wibsey could become an additional area of Halifax, Bingley and Keighley could become part of Craven Council etc Is there anyone else out there who thinks could be a good idea? Just think about the impact on political power in the here and how this would be changed! Um?![/p][/quote]no that's a ridiculous and pointless idea.[/p][/quote]It solves the Bradford problem if it no longer exists .... we can all move on! There's nothing left to save here. True Bradford's gone! birday
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6:49pm Sat 19 Jan 13

Mr Bradford says...

birday wrote:
Mr Bradford wrote:
birday wrote:
Please, please, please close down the Bradford town centre and turn the area into residential housing/apartments - we can then all stop fretting about it and move on.
.
Oh and can we please have more bus routes with frequent buses from those parts of Bradford that don't currently have them to other towns and shopping centres - Keighley, Halifax, Skipton, Huddersfield, Ilkley, Leeds, Brighouse, Whiterose centre, Owlcotes etc.
.
Also, how about totally disbanding the City of Bradford ie dividing it up and attaching it to surrounding local local authorities such as Calderdale Coucil, Craven District Council, Leeds Council etc. Get rid of the name Bradford all together. Wibsey could become an additional area of Halifax, Bingley and Keighley could become part of Craven Council etc Is there anyone else out there who thinks could be a good idea? Just think about the impact on political power in the here and how this would be changed! Um?!
no that's a ridiculous and pointless idea.
It solves the Bradford problem if it no longer exists .... we can all move on! There's nothing left to save here. True Bradford's gone!
bit of an over the top reaction to a few stores closing. If we could just get rid of people like yourself, now that would be good.
[quote][p][bold]birday[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Bradford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]birday[/bold] wrote: Please, please, please close down the Bradford town centre and turn the area into residential housing/apartments - we can then all stop fretting about it and move on. . Oh and can we please have more bus routes with frequent buses from those parts of Bradford that don't currently have them to other towns and shopping centres - Keighley, Halifax, Skipton, Huddersfield, Ilkley, Leeds, Brighouse, Whiterose centre, Owlcotes etc. . Also, how about totally disbanding the City of Bradford ie dividing it up and attaching it to surrounding local local authorities such as Calderdale Coucil, Craven District Council, Leeds Council etc. Get rid of the name Bradford all together. Wibsey could become an additional area of Halifax, Bingley and Keighley could become part of Craven Council etc Is there anyone else out there who thinks could be a good idea? Just think about the impact on political power in the here and how this would be changed! Um?![/p][/quote]no that's a ridiculous and pointless idea.[/p][/quote]It solves the Bradford problem if it no longer exists .... we can all move on! There's nothing left to save here. True Bradford's gone![/p][/quote]bit of an over the top reaction to a few stores closing. If we could just get rid of people like yourself, now that would be good. Mr Bradford
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6:56pm Sat 19 Jan 13

GlobalSingh says...

Poor Bradford!...the MP's do not care about anything as long as they keep their cushy jobs...and the only nightmare they have come to terms with now is NOT BRADFORD SLIDING INTO THIRD WORLD CONDITIONS & STATUS! but how to secure enough 'target' voters for their election victory for a TAX FREE £50,000+ Annual Salary and £350,000 for running their Constituency Office!...IT IS 'ALL ABOUT MONEY'!...especially Tax Payers' money!...we need UKIP MP's in Bradford to replace these useless self-interest orientated men.
Poor Bradford!...the MP's do not care about anything as long as they keep their cushy jobs...and the only nightmare they have come to terms with now is NOT BRADFORD SLIDING INTO THIRD WORLD CONDITIONS & STATUS! but how to secure enough 'target' voters for their election victory for a TAX FREE £50,000+ Annual Salary and £350,000 for running their Constituency Office!...IT IS 'ALL ABOUT MONEY'!...especially Tax Payers' money!...we need UKIP MP's in Bradford to replace these useless self-interest orientated men. GlobalSingh
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7:11pm Sat 19 Jan 13

Mr Perks says...

tyker2 wrote:
Waterstones is under pressure as it has been for a few years with corporation tax free Amazon taking an ever increasing percentage off book sales which are themselves under eve increasing pressure due to kindle and the likes.

In one respect the internet is a great benefit to many but at a great cost.

For example I need about £5.00 of DIY mastic the other day. On a rainy horrible day why get in the car, have a 10 mile round trip when I could sit at home,order in on line and have it delivered to me next day. However for larger items I still need to see the product and examine it so shops with good outlets and good internet presence are going to continue to flourish (except Comet which was badly run and managed per se).

Will the building of the Westfield site solve Bradford,s problems I now, for the first time have reservations. Will it be the panacea for all the city's problems.

Meanwhile though Westfield have London area completely covered with sites north , south , west and east of London packed so maybe retailing in big sites is far from dead.
Even with 'larger items' physical shops are losing out to the internet. My mum needed a new fridge last summer, looked around a few shops in the district, saw the model she wanted and then I bought it on the internet. I still managed to get it £70 cheaper than the lowest price in any of the shops she visited. I don't know what the solution to this problem is, internet retailers will always have lower overheads than physical shops. People are being forced to shop around for the lowest price possible in this difficult economic climate and even when the situation improves I feel their 'shopping habits' may have permanently shifted to viewing in shops then buying online.
[quote][p][bold]tyker2[/bold] wrote: Waterstones is under pressure as it has been for a few years with corporation tax free Amazon taking an ever increasing percentage off book sales which are themselves under eve increasing pressure due to kindle and the likes. In one respect the internet is a great benefit to many but at a great cost. For example I need about £5.00 of DIY mastic the other day. On a rainy horrible day why get in the car, have a 10 mile round trip when I could sit at home,order in on line and have it delivered to me next day. However for larger items I still need to see the product and examine it so shops with good outlets and good internet presence are going to continue to flourish (except Comet which was badly run and managed per se). Will the building of the Westfield site solve Bradford,s problems I now, for the first time have reservations. Will it be the panacea for all the city's problems. Meanwhile though Westfield have London area completely covered with sites north , south , west and east of London packed so maybe retailing in big sites is far from dead.[/p][/quote]Even with 'larger items' physical shops are losing out to the internet. My mum needed a new fridge last summer, looked around a few shops in the district, saw the model she wanted and then I bought it on the internet. I still managed to get it £70 cheaper than the lowest price in any of the shops she visited. I don't know what the solution to this problem is, internet retailers will always have lower overheads than physical shops. People are being forced to shop around for the lowest price possible in this difficult economic climate and even when the situation improves I feel their 'shopping habits' may have permanently shifted to viewing in shops then buying online. Mr Perks
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7:18pm Sat 19 Jan 13

watcher22 says...

BagOfMonkeys is right - turn it all into a sport and lesuire complex. However, how can the council do this? They are currently missing a great opportunity - why haven't they flooded the 25 million pound puddle and let it freeze over to provide an impromptu skating rink?
They would need to knock a lot of buildings down, they are good at that, and then trust that the locals and those living outisde the city would use the newly built sports complexes.
Finance would be no problem - the puddle is attracting £80 million into the city coffers, at least so they said - so there's the money, get building....
And have some novelty shops selling cheap snacks and local MP russian dolls to make a bit of extra cash.
BagOfMonkeys is right - turn it all into a sport and lesuire complex. However, how can the council do this? They are currently missing a great opportunity - why haven't they flooded the 25 million pound puddle and let it freeze over to provide an impromptu skating rink? They would need to knock a lot of buildings down, they are good at that, and then trust that the locals and those living outisde the city would use the newly built sports complexes. Finance would be no problem - the puddle is attracting £80 million into the city coffers, at least so they said - so there's the money, get building.... And have some novelty shops selling cheap snacks and local MP russian dolls to make a bit of extra cash. watcher22
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7:27pm Sat 19 Jan 13

watcher22 says...

mr-dog wrote:
Mr Bradford wrote:
collos25 wrote:
webshow wrote: You will find there is still a large demand for the good shopping experience. Bradford has minimal to offer & whilst this can be laid mostly to blame on politicians weaknesses controlling the council I believe Bradford can bounce back with a large indoor shopping center & free parking. Free parking is the key to attract shoppers with families.
Unfortunately you will not get either.
There's Free parking at Forster Sq, and Little Germany on weekends.
People need to be very careful parking at Forster Square. They have automated cameras taking pictures of your registration plate as you enter and leave. Overstay your welcome and you will receive a fine in the post. Swines...
There is a lot of free parking on the pavements a few minutes walk from the city centre area in most areas.
[quote][p][bold]mr-dog[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Bradford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]collos25[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]webshow[/bold] wrote: You will find there is still a large demand for the good shopping experience. Bradford has minimal to offer & whilst this can be laid mostly to blame on politicians weaknesses controlling the council I believe Bradford can bounce back with a large indoor shopping center & free parking. Free parking is the key to attract shoppers with families.[/p][/quote]Unfortunately you will not get either.[/p][/quote]There's Free parking at Forster Sq, and Little Germany on weekends.[/p][/quote]People need to be very careful parking at Forster Square. They have automated cameras taking pictures of your registration plate as you enter and leave. Overstay your welcome and you will receive a fine in the post. Swines...[/p][/quote]There is a lot of free parking on the pavements a few minutes walk from the city centre area in most areas. watcher22
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7:36pm Sat 19 Jan 13

Meerkat33 says...

Such a shame that Starbucks in closing, there is nothing like walking into Waterstones with the lovely smell of coffee wafting through the store. Unfortunatley it's not often I visit Waterstones as like a lot of people I shop online or in cheaper bookshops.

As we were walking through town today my 7 year old asked why there were so many £ shops!
Such a shame that Starbucks in closing, there is nothing like walking into Waterstones with the lovely smell of coffee wafting through the store. Unfortunatley it's not often I visit Waterstones as like a lot of people I shop online or in cheaper bookshops. As we were walking through town today my 7 year old asked why there were so many £ shops! Meerkat33
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7:39pm Sat 19 Jan 13

Outraged English Subject says...

The water park with all the future rain due to climate change should hopefully return Bradford back into a Broad Forde! With wetlands, marshland surrounding it and migrating birds, it should look well pretty.
The water park with all the future rain due to climate change should hopefully return Bradford back into a Broad Forde! With wetlands, marshland surrounding it and migrating birds, it should look well pretty. Outraged English Subject
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8:11pm Sat 19 Jan 13

queensbury says...

just wonder how long it will be befor peopal of bradford to look around and say they is no shops in here i have just been to leeds today what diffrent place
last week i went in to bradford for coat was told by the shop keeper the only you get in bradford is drug and guns
every body speek to say bradford a dump what do we but nothing but mone
y dont we march to city hall and ask them this youer kidds city and jobs do sumthing about it get of youer back sides
just wonder how long it will be befor peopal of bradford to look around and say they is no shops in here i have just been to leeds today what diffrent place last week i went in to bradford for coat was told by the shop keeper the only you get in bradford is drug and guns every body speek to say bradford a dump what do we but nothing but mone y dont we march to city hall and ask them this youer kidds city and jobs do sumthing about it get of youer back sides queensbury
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8:12pm Sat 19 Jan 13

What now says...

How can you have a cross party task force, when this council has been responsible for the neglect so far.
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Surely you should not use the same people.
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Westfield's contract was signed off in 1999.
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If they cannot get Shipley right, would you expect them to get Bradford right.
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The best thing for this council to do, is to stand down, they are hopeless, and the present climate has proved to me that none of them are capable of managing a large society and its demands.
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By keeping them in, the people of Bradford and surrounding area's are simple damaging their own future.
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the readers and voters need to sit down and reflect on what i have said, we need to change how our area is run, after all, to me at least, it now seems that this council is telling us what to do, when surely they should be acting our our behalf.
How can you have a cross party task force, when this council has been responsible for the neglect so far. . Surely you should not use the same people. . Westfield's contract was signed off in 1999. . If they cannot get Shipley right, would you expect them to get Bradford right. . The best thing for this council to do, is to stand down, they are hopeless, and the present climate has proved to me that none of them are capable of managing a large society and its demands. . By keeping them in, the people of Bradford and surrounding area's are simple damaging their own future. . the readers and voters need to sit down and reflect on what i have said, we need to change how our area is run, after all, to me at least, it now seems that this council is telling us what to do, when surely they should be acting our our behalf. What now
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9:22pm Sat 19 Jan 13

alfucham says...

Joedavid wrote:
No news on your Westfield then Mr Green? Mr Sutcliffe why the Odeon/New Victoria not on your list?
Because he"s too busy setting his mate Omar up with a dead horse and taking 5 on an all expenses paid trip to Quatar to look at a sports village that cost a thousand million pounds to build.

The mans a dreamer.

Oversaw as part of the cabinet little investment in Bradford Sport facilities as minister for sport.

Now theres no money he"s still dreaming of an Odsal Sports village.

And they dont even own the ground
[quote][p][bold]Joedavid[/bold] wrote: No news on your Westfield then Mr Green? Mr Sutcliffe why the Odeon/New Victoria not on your list?[/p][/quote]Because he"s too busy setting his mate Omar up with a dead horse and taking 5 on an all expenses paid trip to Quatar to look at a sports village that cost a thousand million pounds to build. The mans a dreamer. Oversaw as part of the cabinet little investment in Bradford Sport facilities as minister for sport. Now theres no money he"s still dreaming of an Odsal Sports village. And they dont even own the ground alfucham
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9:23pm Sat 19 Jan 13

alfucham says...

Joedavid wrote:
No news on your Westfield then Mr Green? Mr Sutcliffe why the Odeon/New Victoria not on your list?
Because he"s too busy setting his mate Omar up with a dead horse and taking 5 on an all expenses paid trip to Quatar to look at a sports village that cost a thousand million pounds to build.

The mans a dreamer.

Oversaw as part of the cabinet little investment in Bradford Sport facilities as minister for sport.

Now theres no money he"s still dreaming of an Odsal Sports village.

And they dont even own the ground
[quote][p][bold]Joedavid[/bold] wrote: No news on your Westfield then Mr Green? Mr Sutcliffe why the Odeon/New Victoria not on your list?[/p][/quote]Because he"s too busy setting his mate Omar up with a dead horse and taking 5 on an all expenses paid trip to Quatar to look at a sports village that cost a thousand million pounds to build. The mans a dreamer. Oversaw as part of the cabinet little investment in Bradford Sport facilities as minister for sport. Now theres no money he"s still dreaming of an Odsal Sports village. And they dont even own the ground alfucham
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9:33pm Sat 19 Jan 13

alfucham says...

Albion. wrote:
thingybob68 wrote:
thatsnotmyname wrote: The centre is depressing, thats the truth of it. Its also full of people who look like they've just been released. Thats why I hop on the train (for less than a bradford bus) to Leeds.
you mean on probabtion ie the youths hanging around neart he greggs witha sign on the door reading youth rehabilitation - ive said it before, were either dealing with very clever and dark forces who have planned Bradfords anihalation to the last detail or we havea bewilderingly inept Council lead by a retired bus driver - i'm inclined to beleive the latter.
To be fair, the council leader has only come into that position very recently and was probably backslapped into position by long term council members who were much more responsible for the things that he frequently seems to be being blamed for.
Come off it.

He has been part of the "Regeneration" commitee since 1998.

Completely at the heart of the DEgeneration strategy.

Said on appointment as leader he wished to see the job through.

God forbid
[quote][p][bold]Albion.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thingybob68[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thatsnotmyname[/bold] wrote: The centre is depressing, thats the truth of it. Its also full of people who look like they've just been released. Thats why I hop on the train (for less than a bradford bus) to Leeds.[/p][/quote]you mean on probabtion ie the youths hanging around neart he greggs witha sign on the door reading youth rehabilitation - ive said it before, were either dealing with very clever and dark forces who have planned Bradfords anihalation to the last detail or we havea bewilderingly inept Council lead by a retired bus driver - i'm inclined to beleive the latter.[/p][/quote]To be fair, the council leader has only come into that position very recently and was probably backslapped into position by long term council members who were much more responsible for the things that he frequently seems to be being blamed for.[/p][/quote]Come off it. He has been part of the "Regeneration" commitee since 1998. Completely at the heart of the DEgeneration strategy. Said on appointment as leader he wished to see the job through. God forbid alfucham
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9:39pm Sat 19 Jan 13

alfucham says...

Avro wrote:
Albion. wrote:
thingybob68 wrote:
thatsnotmyname wrote: The centre is depressing, thats the truth of it. Its also full of people who look like they've just been released. Thats why I hop on the train (for less than a bradford bus) to Leeds.
you mean on probabtion ie the youths hanging around neart he greggs witha sign on the door reading youth rehabilitation - ive said it before, were either dealing with very clever and dark forces who have planned Bradfords anihalation to the last detail or we havea bewilderingly inept Council lead by a retired bus driver - i'm inclined to beleive the latter.
To be fair, the council leader has only come into that position very recently and was probably backslapped into position by long term council members who were much more responsible for the things that he frequently seems to be being blamed for.
I also belive the latter....an inept Council lead by a retired bus driver who lives in Cloud Cuckoo Land just like his predessor who now has a gong to show for it!
And he was a bin man !

Now a frigging CBE.

For overseeing this shambles of a place.

If ever there was a case for abandoning the honours system there it is
[quote][p][bold]Avro[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thingybob68[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thatsnotmyname[/bold] wrote: The centre is depressing, thats the truth of it. Its also full of people who look like they've just been released. Thats why I hop on the train (for less than a bradford bus) to Leeds.[/p][/quote]you mean on probabtion ie the youths hanging around neart he greggs witha sign on the door reading youth rehabilitation - ive said it before, were either dealing with very clever and dark forces who have planned Bradfords anihalation to the last detail or we havea bewilderingly inept Council lead by a retired bus driver - i'm inclined to beleive the latter.[/p][/quote]To be fair, the council leader has only come into that position very recently and was probably backslapped into position by long term council members who were much more responsible for the things that he frequently seems to be being blamed for.[/p][/quote]I also belive the latter....an inept Council lead by a retired bus driver who lives in Cloud Cuckoo Land just like his predessor who now has a gong to show for it![/p][/quote]And he was a bin man ! Now a frigging CBE. For overseeing this shambles of a place. If ever there was a case for abandoning the honours system there it is alfucham
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9:48pm Sat 19 Jan 13

alfucham says...

tyker2 wrote:
I have said build a multi purpose stadium in the city with cinemas,theatres and other facilities. Extend the train station at Forster Square into the stadium, Valley Parade and Odsal could be turned into secure park and rides with electronic tram systems into the stadium. A stadium used 365 days a year and 24 hours a day if necessary. This is the way forward but will need corporate/council funding. How much have the council wasted on Westfield over the years. The proposals are radical but something positive has to be considered and acted on sooner rather than later
Problem 1.

Wembley cost £800 million.

Problem 2.

City lose money (this year maybe not)
Valley Parade stands the Gibb Pension Fund at £2 million.

And is adequate with amendments and investment in a 1 million Wembley type pitch to house Rugby and Football with enough seats to spare.

Problem 3.

Dreamers like Omar Khan and Gerry Sutcliffe who like most Bradfordians have not two halfpennyworth to rub together.

Problem 4.

We are a dumping ground.A city of Sanctuary for world scum from Somalia,Kosovo,Iraq.
Kurdistan,in fact every criminal rid land in the universe
[quote][p][bold]tyker2[/bold] wrote: I have said build a multi purpose stadium in the city with cinemas,theatres and other facilities. Extend the train station at Forster Square into the stadium, Valley Parade and Odsal could be turned into secure park and rides with electronic tram systems into the stadium. A stadium used 365 days a year and 24 hours a day if necessary. This is the way forward but will need corporate/council funding. How much have the council wasted on Westfield over the years. The proposals are radical but something positive has to be considered and acted on sooner rather than later[/p][/quote]Problem 1. Wembley cost £800 million. Problem 2. City lose money (this year maybe not) Valley Parade stands the Gibb Pension Fund at £2 million. And is adequate with amendments and investment in a 1 million Wembley type pitch to house Rugby and Football with enough seats to spare. Problem 3. Dreamers like Omar Khan and Gerry Sutcliffe who like most Bradfordians have not two halfpennyworth to rub together. Problem 4. We are a dumping ground.A city of Sanctuary for world scum from Somalia,Kosovo,Iraq. Kurdistan,in fact every criminal rid land in the universe alfucham
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10:22pm Sat 19 Jan 13

The Hump says...

Meerkat33 wrote:
Such a shame that Starbucks in closing, there is nothing like walking into Waterstones with the lovely smell of coffee wafting through the store. Unfortunatley it's not often I visit Waterstones as like a lot of people I shop online or in cheaper bookshops. As we were walking through town today my 7 year old asked why there were so many £ shops!
Theres so many £1 shops because this is Bradfordevery not your Knightsbridge sect everyone's SKINT!!!!
[quote][p][bold]Meerkat33[/bold] wrote: Such a shame that Starbucks in closing, there is nothing like walking into Waterstones with the lovely smell of coffee wafting through the store. Unfortunatley it's not often I visit Waterstones as like a lot of people I shop online or in cheaper bookshops. As we were walking through town today my 7 year old asked why there were so many £ shops![/p][/quote]Theres so many £1 shops because this is Bradfordevery not your Knightsbridge sect everyone's SKINT!!!! The Hump
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11:14pm Sat 19 Jan 13

Mr Bradford says...

The Hump wrote:
Meerkat33 wrote:
Such a shame that Starbucks in closing, there is nothing like walking into Waterstones with the lovely smell of coffee wafting through the store. Unfortunatley it's not often I visit Waterstones as like a lot of people I shop online or in cheaper bookshops. As we were walking through town today my 7 year old asked why there were so many £ shops!
Theres so many £1 shops because this is Bradfordevery not your Knightsbridge sect everyone's SKINT!!!!
Is there really that many pound shops in Bradford? I can only think of 3.
I find it funny how sometimes people say everyone's skint in Bradford, and other times say everyone goes shopping in Leeds...
[quote][p][bold]The Hump[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Meerkat33[/bold] wrote: Such a shame that Starbucks in closing, there is nothing like walking into Waterstones with the lovely smell of coffee wafting through the store. Unfortunatley it's not often I visit Waterstones as like a lot of people I shop online or in cheaper bookshops. As we were walking through town today my 7 year old asked why there were so many £ shops![/p][/quote]Theres so many £1 shops because this is Bradfordevery not your Knightsbridge sect everyone's SKINT!!!![/p][/quote]Is there really that many pound shops in Bradford? I can only think of 3. I find it funny how sometimes people say everyone's skint in Bradford, and other times say everyone goes shopping in Leeds... Mr Bradford
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11:19pm Sat 19 Jan 13

Andy2010 says...

What now wrote:
How can you have a cross party task force, when this council has been responsible for the neglect so far.
.
Surely you should not use the same people.
.
Westfield's contract was signed off in 1999.
.
If they cannot get Shipley right, would you expect them to get Bradford right.
.
The best thing for this council to do, is to stand down, they are hopeless, and the present climate has proved to me that none of them are capable of managing a large society and its demands.
.
By keeping them in, the people of Bradford and surrounding area's are simple damaging their own future.
.
the readers and voters need to sit down and reflect on what i have said, we need to change how our area is run, after all, to me at least, it now seems that this council is telling us what to do, when surely they should be acting our our behalf.
here here
[quote][p][bold]What now[/bold] wrote: How can you have a cross party task force, when this council has been responsible for the neglect so far. . Surely you should not use the same people. . Westfield's contract was signed off in 1999. . If they cannot get Shipley right, would you expect them to get Bradford right. . The best thing for this council to do, is to stand down, they are hopeless, and the present climate has proved to me that none of them are capable of managing a large society and its demands. . By keeping them in, the people of Bradford and surrounding area's are simple damaging their own future. . the readers and voters need to sit down and reflect on what i have said, we need to change how our area is run, after all, to me at least, it now seems that this council is telling us what to do, when surely they should be acting our our behalf.[/p][/quote]here here Andy2010
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12:41am Sun 20 Jan 13

scanipoos says...

having looked on the Bradford market site and the cost of a unit Im not surprised the centre of Bradford is empty:-
INDOOR SHOP UNIT

UNIT NOS 3,4,5 KIRKGATE SHOPPING HALL
BRADFORD

MONTHLY COST - £1050.90 approx + Business Rates

This includes :-

Rent - £6,217.59 + VAT per annum

Service Charge - £4,291.32 + VAT per annum

Business Rates - £6500.00 per annum
having looked on the Bradford market site and the cost of a unit Im not surprised the centre of Bradford is empty:- INDOOR SHOP UNIT UNIT NOS 3,4,5 KIRKGATE SHOPPING HALL BRADFORD MONTHLY COST - £1050.90 approx + Business Rates This includes :- Rent - £6,217.59 + VAT per annum Service Charge - £4,291.32 + VAT per annum Business Rates - £6500.00 per annum scanipoos
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12:50am Sun 20 Jan 13

BagOfMonkeys says...

So they might build a shopping mall, maybe even with M&S and Debenhams, what then? Who goes shopping these days, Bradford and Leeds are choked with traffic, there's no parking, the public transport is rubbish and so no one really bothers, the internet is cheaper! All that's left is entertainment, leisure and play so before I go to bed I'll say just one last time, forget it, change the plans, build covered 5 a side footy stadium, crown/flat green bowling, swimming, snooker, ice rinks, fast food restaurants, places for people to meet in nice cosy surroundings, parks ... etc. Shops are a thing of the past!
So they might build a shopping mall, maybe even with M&S and Debenhams, what then? Who goes shopping these days, Bradford and Leeds are choked with traffic, there's no parking, the public transport is rubbish and so no one really bothers, the internet is cheaper! All that's left is entertainment, leisure and play so before I go to bed I'll say just one last time, forget it, change the plans, build covered 5 a side footy stadium, crown/flat green bowling, swimming, snooker, ice rinks, fast food restaurants, places for people to meet in nice cosy surroundings, parks ... etc. Shops are a thing of the past! BagOfMonkeys
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1:02am Sun 20 Jan 13

bcfc1903 says...

It's odd that Starbucks in Waterstones is closing as it's always doing good business....more sinister goings on in Bradford along with Sunwin House closing a few years ago when it was making a large year on year trading profit. Gutted..Starbucks/Wa
terstones... our favourite place for a coffee after the wife spends a load of cash in Bradford city centre shops. Simply cannot understand some shops such as the two i mentioned closing when quite obviously footfall has increased greatly in Bradford city centre over the last three years.
It's odd that Starbucks in Waterstones is closing as it's always doing good business....more sinister goings on in Bradford along with Sunwin House closing a few years ago when it was making a large year on year trading profit. Gutted..Starbucks/Wa terstones... our favourite place for a coffee after the wife spends a load of cash in Bradford city centre shops. Simply cannot understand some shops such as the two i mentioned closing when quite obviously footfall has increased greatly in Bradford city centre over the last three years. bcfc1903
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2:30am Sun 20 Jan 13

Steve30d says...

Mr Perks wrote:
tyker2 wrote:
Waterstones is under pressure as it has been for a few years with corporation tax free Amazon taking an ever increasing percentage off book sales which are themselves under eve increasing pressure due to kindle and the likes.

In one respect the internet is a great benefit to many but at a great cost.

For example I need about £5.00 of DIY mastic the other day. On a rainy horrible day why get in the car, have a 10 mile round trip when I could sit at home,order in on line and have it delivered to me next day. However for larger items I still need to see the product and examine it so shops with good outlets and good internet presence are going to continue to flourish (except Comet which was badly run and managed per se).

Will the building of the Westfield site solve Bradford,s problems I now, for the first time have reservations. Will it be the panacea for all the city's problems.

Meanwhile though Westfield have London area completely covered with sites north , south , west and east of London packed so maybe retailing in big sites is far from dead.
Even with 'larger items' physical shops are losing out to the internet. My mum needed a new fridge last summer, looked around a few shops in the district, saw the model she wanted and then I bought it on the internet. I still managed to get it £70 cheaper than the lowest price in any of the shops she visited. I don't know what the solution to this problem is, internet retailers will always have lower overheads than physical shops. People are being forced to shop around for the lowest price possible in this difficult economic climate and even when the situation improves I feel their 'shopping habits' may have permanently shifted to viewing in shops then buying online.
I can see problems looming on the horizon for online retail as a result of the Royal mail successfully getting rid of it's obligation for guarantied delivery to a named address, instead allowing items to signed off at a random neighbour etc. I fail to understand why the Royal mail wanted to get rid something which by it's own admision was unique within their area. Can't see online retaillers being too chuft at the increased possibilities for items to go missing "somewhere" between them and the paying customer.

Anyways there's at least one store in Bradford that seems to have cottoned on what this might mean for online retailing. Not a shop I use, but Bon Marche of all places seems to have figured out that allowing, but not forcing customers to order goods online for collection and payment at a local store is a great idea. Not everyone is happy to pay for goods online. Physical shop will be receiving fairly regular stock deliveries, so it's no slower than waiting for the post, which could of course now get deliered next door, if you don't hear the postman. How many have missed the post man?

Little things like that can make a world of difference, and it's exactly the kind of thing you'd have thought HMV would have done had their management been any good! So many places have staff that seem to run away from customers who might be asking for help - letting customers place orders online for collection saves the staff some "hassle", and is as good a sale, as any other.
[quote][p][bold]Mr Perks[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tyker2[/bold] wrote: Waterstones is under pressure as it has been for a few years with corporation tax free Amazon taking an ever increasing percentage off book sales which are themselves under eve increasing pressure due to kindle and the likes. In one respect the internet is a great benefit to many but at a great cost. For example I need about £5.00 of DIY mastic the other day. On a rainy horrible day why get in the car, have a 10 mile round trip when I could sit at home,order in on line and have it delivered to me next day. However for larger items I still need to see the product and examine it so shops with good outlets and good internet presence are going to continue to flourish (except Comet which was badly run and managed per se). Will the building of the Westfield site solve Bradford,s problems I now, for the first time have reservations. Will it be the panacea for all the city's problems. Meanwhile though Westfield have London area completely covered with sites north , south , west and east of London packed so maybe retailing in big sites is far from dead.[/p][/quote]Even with 'larger items' physical shops are losing out to the internet. My mum needed a new fridge last summer, looked around a few shops in the district, saw the model she wanted and then I bought it on the internet. I still managed to get it £70 cheaper than the lowest price in any of the shops she visited. I don't know what the solution to this problem is, internet retailers will always have lower overheads than physical shops. People are being forced to shop around for the lowest price possible in this difficult economic climate and even when the situation improves I feel their 'shopping habits' may have permanently shifted to viewing in shops then buying online.[/p][/quote]I can see problems looming on the horizon for online retail as a result of the Royal mail successfully getting rid of it's obligation for guarantied delivery to a named address, instead allowing items to signed off at a random neighbour etc. I fail to understand why the Royal mail wanted to get rid something which by it's own admision was unique [selling point] within their area. Can't see online retaillers being too chuft at the increased possibilities for items to go missing "somewhere" between them and the paying customer. Anyways there's at least one store in Bradford that seems to have cottoned on what this might mean for online retailing. Not a shop I use, but Bon Marche of all places seems to have figured out that allowing, but not forcing customers to order goods online for collection and payment at a local store is a great idea. Not everyone is happy to pay for goods online. Physical shop will be receiving fairly regular stock deliveries, so it's no slower than waiting for the post, which could of course now get deliered next door, if you don't hear the postman. How many have missed the post man? Little things like that can make a world of difference, and it's exactly the kind of thing you'd have thought HMV would have done had their management been any good! So many places have staff that seem to run away from customers who might be asking for help - letting customers place orders online for collection saves the staff some "hassle", and is as good a sale, as any other. Steve30d
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6:25am Sun 20 Jan 13

tyker2 says...

bcfc1903 wrote:
It's odd that Starbucks in Waterstones is closing as it's always doing good business....more sinister goings on in Bradford along with Sunwin House closing a few years ago when it was making a large year on year trading profit. Gutted..Starbucks/Wa

terstones... our favourite place for a coffee after the wife spends a load of cash in Bradford city centre shops. Simply cannot understand some shops such as the two i mentioned closing when quite obviously footfall has increased greatly in Bradford city centre over the last three years.
how does she spend a load of cash in city centre shops? :bookies, pound shops etc abound.

Unless,of course, she spends a load in the pound shops so she can sell the same items on ebay at a profit LOL----IT DOES HAPPEN
[quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: It's odd that Starbucks in Waterstones is closing as it's always doing good business....more sinister goings on in Bradford along with Sunwin House closing a few years ago when it was making a large year on year trading profit. Gutted..Starbucks/Wa terstones... our favourite place for a coffee after the wife spends a load of cash in Bradford city centre shops. Simply cannot understand some shops such as the two i mentioned closing when quite obviously footfall has increased greatly in Bradford city centre over the last three years.[/p][/quote]how does she spend a load of cash in city centre shops? :bookies, pound shops etc abound. Unless,of course, she spends a load in the pound shops so she can sell the same items on ebay at a profit LOL----IT DOES HAPPEN tyker2
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7:11am Sun 20 Jan 13

Albion. says...

bcfc1903 wrote:
It's odd that Starbucks in Waterstones is closing as it's always doing good business....more sinister goings on in Bradford along with Sunwin House closing a few years ago when it was making a large year on year trading profit. Gutted..Starbucks/Wa

terstones... our favourite place for a coffee after the wife spends a load of cash in Bradford city centre shops. Simply cannot understand some shops such as the two i mentioned closing when quite obviously footfall has increased greatly in Bradford city centre over the last three years.
Well it all goes to prove what nonsense you have been churning out for the last few months, you might stop disregarding the opinions of others who disagree with you now.
[quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: It's odd that Starbucks in Waterstones is closing as it's always doing good business....more sinister goings on in Bradford along with Sunwin House closing a few years ago when it was making a large year on year trading profit. Gutted..Starbucks/Wa terstones... our favourite place for a coffee after the wife spends a load of cash in Bradford city centre shops. Simply cannot understand some shops such as the two i mentioned closing when quite obviously footfall has increased greatly in Bradford city centre over the last three years.[/p][/quote]Well it all goes to prove what nonsense you have been churning out for the last few months, you might stop disregarding the opinions of others who disagree with you now. Albion.
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7:16am Sun 20 Jan 13

Albion. says...

queensbury wrote:
just wonder how long it will be befor peopal of bradford to look around and say they is no shops in here i have just been to leeds today what diffrent place
last week i went in to bradford for coat was told by the shop keeper the only you get in bradford is drug and guns
every body speek to say bradford a dump what do we but nothing but mone
y dont we march to city hall and ask them this youer kidds city and jobs do sumthing about it get of youer back sides
Very profound.
[quote][p][bold]queensbury[/bold] wrote: just wonder how long it will be befor peopal of bradford to look around and say they is no shops in here i have just been to leeds today what diffrent place last week i went in to bradford for coat was told by the shop keeper the only you get in bradford is drug and guns every body speek to say bradford a dump what do we but nothing but mone y dont we march to city hall and ask them this youer kidds city and jobs do sumthing about it get of youer back sides[/p][/quote]Very profound. Albion.
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7:34am Sun 20 Jan 13

allannicho says...

queensbury wrote:
just wonder how long it will be befor peopal of bradford to look around and say they is no shops in here i have just been to leeds today what diffrent place
last week i went in to bradford for coat was told by the shop keeper the only you get in bradford is drug and guns
every body speek to say bradford a dump what do we but nothing but mone
y dont we march to city hall and ask them this youer kidds city and jobs do sumthing about it get of youer back sides
velly gud to say this
[quote][p][bold]queensbury[/bold] wrote: just wonder how long it will be befor peopal of bradford to look around and say they is no shops in here i have just been to leeds today what diffrent place last week i went in to bradford for coat was told by the shop keeper the only you get in bradford is drug and guns every body speek to say bradford a dump what do we but nothing but mone y dont we march to city hall and ask them this youer kidds city and jobs do sumthing about it get of youer back sides[/p][/quote]velly gud to say this allannicho
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8:12am Sun 20 Jan 13

Osgood says...

Bag of Monkeys is spot on.
Need to rethink the purpose of city centres - Bradford will not be the only city facing this.
Bradford needs a kasbah. Supoort Fabric to get craftspeople, entrepreneurs and young people into the city centre.
Bag of Monkeys is spot on. Need to rethink the purpose of city centres - Bradford will not be the only city facing this. Bradford needs a kasbah. Supoort Fabric to get craftspeople, entrepreneurs and young people into the city centre. Osgood
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9:57am Sun 20 Jan 13

Thee Voice of Reason says...

Where is my mate J Atkinson to tell us what a glitering successful City we have.
Where is my mate J Atkinson to tell us what a glitering successful City we have. Thee Voice of Reason
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10:44am Sun 20 Jan 13

Avro says...

Going by the number of posts on this topic, it appears there is growing discontent with our Council and state of the City Centre.

But in reality is there enough support to hold a mass protest outside City Hall?
Going by the number of posts on this topic, it appears there is growing discontent with our Council and state of the City Centre. But in reality is there enough support to hold a mass protest outside City Hall? Avro
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10:55am Sun 20 Jan 13

Albion. says...

Avro wrote:
Going by the number of posts on this topic, it appears there is growing discontent with our Council and state of the City Centre.

But in reality is there enough support to hold a mass protest outside City Hall?
I think it would be pretty pointless, the internet retail situation increases continually while town and city centres everywhere are declining, if you add the fact that Bradford now has a significant number of people who support things like bazaars, there wouldn't appear to be a big future for high street retail, especially as bigger and better city and town centres have now cornered the market anyway (until eventually the bubble bursts for them also).
[quote][p][bold]Avro[/bold] wrote: Going by the number of posts on this topic, it appears there is growing discontent with our Council and state of the City Centre. But in reality is there enough support to hold a mass protest outside City Hall?[/p][/quote]I think it would be pretty pointless, the internet retail situation increases continually while town and city centres everywhere are declining, if you add the fact that Bradford now has a significant number of people who support things like bazaars, there wouldn't appear to be a big future for high street retail, especially as bigger and better city and town centres have now cornered the market anyway (until eventually the bubble bursts for them also). Albion.
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11:14am Sun 20 Jan 13

Mr Bradford says...

Why is it the councils or anybody's fault that hmv, jessops, millets, comet, clintons, game and the rest are closing down?
It's the same everywhere else!
Get a grip people! Even if Westfield was built they'd still be closing down!
Why is it the councils or anybody's fault that hmv, jessops, millets, comet, clintons, game and the rest are closing down? It's the same everywhere else! Get a grip people! Even if Westfield was built they'd still be closing down! Mr Bradford
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11:50am Sun 20 Jan 13

collos25 says...

Mr Bradford wrote:
Why is it the councils or anybody's fault that hmv, jessops, millets, comet, clintons, game and the rest are closing down?
It's the same everywhere else!
Get a grip people! Even if Westfield was built they'd still be closing down!
Because the council have not made with public money an environment that will persuade people to come into the city.
They have been very busy patting themselves on the back and pocketing public money if they worked for a private firm they would have all been sacked long ago.
[quote][p][bold]Mr Bradford[/bold] wrote: Why is it the councils or anybody's fault that hmv, jessops, millets, comet, clintons, game and the rest are closing down? It's the same everywhere else! Get a grip people! Even if Westfield was built they'd still be closing down![/p][/quote]Because the council have not made with public money an environment that will persuade people to come into the city. They have been very busy patting themselves on the back and pocketing public money if they worked for a private firm they would have all been sacked long ago. collos25
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12:20pm Sun 20 Jan 13

bcfc1903 says...

tyker2 wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote:
It's odd that Starbucks in Waterstones is closing as it's always doing good business....more sinister goings on in Bradford along with Sunwin House closing a few years ago when it was making a large year on year trading profit. Gutted..Starbucks/Wa


terstones... our favourite place for a coffee after the wife spends a load of cash in Bradford city centre shops. Simply cannot understand some shops such as the two i mentioned closing when quite obviously footfall has increased greatly in Bradford city centre over the last three years.
how does she spend a load of cash in city centre shops? :bookies, pound shops etc abound.

Unless,of course, she spends a load in the pound shops so she can sell the same items on ebay at a profit LOL----IT DOES HAPPEN
You're actually quite a buffon aren't you Albion...the idea that all the shops in Bradford are those you choose to keep banging on about is quite ludicrous. Against my wishes my wife had actually looked to buy a new three piece suite she's seen while visting friends in Colne...thanks to your intervention she's changed her mind....good on you fella..i've been arguing the case for DFS for weeks. Keep em coming old lad LOL. Up to 2,000 quid coming to a store in Bradford soon!!!!!!.... PS it's not really a good idea to insult my wife is it, i'm sure boyfriend would say the same!!!!.
[quote][p][bold]tyker2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: It's odd that Starbucks in Waterstones is closing as it's always doing good business....more sinister goings on in Bradford along with Sunwin House closing a few years ago when it was making a large year on year trading profit. Gutted..Starbucks/Wa terstones... our favourite place for a coffee after the wife spends a load of cash in Bradford city centre shops. Simply cannot understand some shops such as the two i mentioned closing when quite obviously footfall has increased greatly in Bradford city centre over the last three years.[/p][/quote]how does she spend a load of cash in city centre shops? :bookies, pound shops etc abound. Unless,of course, she spends a load in the pound shops so she can sell the same items on ebay at a profit LOL----IT DOES HAPPEN[/p][/quote]You're actually quite a buffon aren't you Albion...the idea that all the shops in Bradford are those you choose to keep banging on about is quite ludicrous. Against my wishes my wife had actually looked to buy a new three piece suite she's seen while visting friends in Colne...thanks to your intervention she's changed her mind....good on you fella..i've been arguing the case for DFS for weeks. Keep em coming old lad LOL. Up to 2,000 quid coming to a store in Bradford soon!!!!!!.... PS it's not really a good idea to insult my wife is it, i'm sure boyfriend would say the same!!!!. bcfc1903
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12:22pm Sun 20 Jan 13

bcfc1903 says...

LOL...that should have been tyker2 who's the buffon....
LOL...that should have been tyker2 who's the buffon.... bcfc1903
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12:37pm Sun 20 Jan 13

bcfc1903 says...

Albion. wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote:
It's odd that Starbucks in Waterstones is closing as it's always doing good business....more sinister goings on in Bradford along with Sunwin House closing a few years ago when it was making a large year on year trading profit. Gutted..Starbucks/Wa


terstones... our favourite place for a coffee after the wife spends a load of cash in Bradford city centre shops. Simply cannot understand some shops such as the two i mentioned closing when quite obviously footfall has increased greatly in Bradford city centre over the last three years.
Well it all goes to prove what nonsense you have been churning out for the last few months, you might stop disregarding the opinions of others who disagree with you now.
The facts about footfall were based on figures and a league table published about three years ago by the government, not a buch of cranks who just run the city down, and i'm not talking about the council...it showed that the money spent in Bradford city centre had pushed the city up five places in that particular table of town and city centres throughout the UK.....then take into account what the folk running the Kirkgate centre had said regarding footfall since the City Park had opened... i myself who shop regularly in Bradford had noticed a large increase of folk in the city centre and it's shops over the last 36 months but especially the last eighteen months. It's you who churn the same old tripe out...the folk on this web site do not represent any kind of scientific cross section of Bradford shoppers and no one in their right mind would think it does. You would think some were working for Leeds City Council though.
[quote][p][bold]Albion.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: It's odd that Starbucks in Waterstones is closing as it's always doing good business....more sinister goings on in Bradford along with Sunwin House closing a few years ago when it was making a large year on year trading profit. Gutted..Starbucks/Wa terstones... our favourite place for a coffee after the wife spends a load of cash in Bradford city centre shops. Simply cannot understand some shops such as the two i mentioned closing when quite obviously footfall has increased greatly in Bradford city centre over the last three years.[/p][/quote]Well it all goes to prove what nonsense you have been churning out for the last few months, you might stop disregarding the opinions of others who disagree with you now.[/p][/quote]The facts about footfall were based on figures and a league table published about three years ago by the government, not a buch of cranks who just run the city down, and i'm not talking about the council...it showed that the money spent in Bradford city centre had pushed the city up five places in that particular table of town and city centres throughout the UK.....then take into account what the folk running the Kirkgate centre had said regarding footfall since the City Park had opened... i myself who shop regularly in Bradford had noticed a large increase of folk in the city centre and it's shops over the last 36 months but especially the last eighteen months. It's you who churn the same old tripe out...the folk on this web site do not represent any kind of scientific cross section of Bradford shoppers and no one in their right mind would think it does. You would think some were working for Leeds City Council though. bcfc1903
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12:49pm Sun 20 Jan 13

Albion. says...

bcfc1903 wrote:
Albion. wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote:
It's odd that Starbucks in Waterstones is closing as it's always doing good business....more sinister goings on in Bradford along with Sunwin House closing a few years ago when it was making a large year on year trading profit. Gutted..Starbucks/Wa



terstones... our favourite place for a coffee after the wife spends a load of cash in Bradford city centre shops. Simply cannot understand some shops such as the two i mentioned closing when quite obviously footfall has increased greatly in Bradford city centre over the last three years.
Well it all goes to prove what nonsense you have been churning out for the last few months, you might stop disregarding the opinions of others who disagree with you now.
The facts about footfall were based on figures and a league table published about three years ago by the government, not a buch of cranks who just run the city down, and i'm not talking about the council...it showed that the money spent in Bradford city centre had pushed the city up five places in that particular table of town and city centres throughout the UK.....then take into account what the folk running the Kirkgate centre had said regarding footfall since the City Park had opened... i myself who shop regularly in Bradford had noticed a large increase of folk in the city centre and it's shops over the last 36 months but especially the last eighteen months. It's you who churn the same old tripe out...the folk on this web site do not represent any kind of scientific cross section of Bradford shoppers and no one in their right mind would think it does. You would think some were working for Leeds City Council though.
The evidence (as in this report) suggests different, perhaps all that "footfall" was disbelieving onlookers on their way for a bus to elsewhere?
[quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: It's odd that Starbucks in Waterstones is closing as it's always doing good business....more sinister goings on in Bradford along with Sunwin House closing a few years ago when it was making a large year on year trading profit. Gutted..Starbucks/Wa terstones... our favourite place for a coffee after the wife spends a load of cash in Bradford city centre shops. Simply cannot understand some shops such as the two i mentioned closing when quite obviously footfall has increased greatly in Bradford city centre over the last three years.[/p][/quote]Well it all goes to prove what nonsense you have been churning out for the last few months, you might stop disregarding the opinions of others who disagree with you now.[/p][/quote]The facts about footfall were based on figures and a league table published about three years ago by the government, not a buch of cranks who just run the city down, and i'm not talking about the council...it showed that the money spent in Bradford city centre had pushed the city up five places in that particular table of town and city centres throughout the UK.....then take into account what the folk running the Kirkgate centre had said regarding footfall since the City Park had opened... i myself who shop regularly in Bradford had noticed a large increase of folk in the city centre and it's shops over the last 36 months but especially the last eighteen months. It's you who churn the same old tripe out...the folk on this web site do not represent any kind of scientific cross section of Bradford shoppers and no one in their right mind would think it does. You would think some were working for Leeds City Council though.[/p][/quote]The evidence (as in this report) suggests different, perhaps all that "footfall" was disbelieving onlookers on their way for a bus to elsewhere? Albion.
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1:02pm Sun 20 Jan 13

tyker2 says...

bcfc1903 wrote:
LOL...that should have been tyker2 who's the buffon....
is that some sort of hairstyle:if you are throwing insults around at least get it right: you BUFFOON
[quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: LOL...that should have been tyker2 who's the buffon....[/p][/quote]is that some sort of hairstyle:if you are throwing insults around at least get it right: you BUFFOON tyker2
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1:14pm Sun 20 Jan 13

Mr Bradford says...

collos25 wrote:
Mr Bradford wrote:
Why is it the councils or anybody's fault that hmv, jessops, millets, comet, clintons, game and the rest are closing down?
It's the same everywhere else!
Get a grip people! Even if Westfield was built they'd still be closing down!
Because the council have not made with public money an environment that will persuade people to come into the city.
They have been very busy patting themselves on the back and pocketing public money if they worked for a private firm they would have all been sacked long ago.
Really? erm, what about City Park?? That has attracted more people and businesses into the city in the short time it's been open...
[quote][p][bold]collos25[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Bradford[/bold] wrote: Why is it the councils or anybody's fault that hmv, jessops, millets, comet, clintons, game and the rest are closing down? It's the same everywhere else! Get a grip people! Even if Westfield was built they'd still be closing down![/p][/quote]Because the council have not made with public money an environment that will persuade people to come into the city. They have been very busy patting themselves on the back and pocketing public money if they worked for a private firm they would have all been sacked long ago.[/p][/quote]Really? erm, what about City Park?? That has attracted more people and businesses into the city in the short time it's been open... Mr Bradford
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1:54pm Sun 20 Jan 13

bcfc1903 says...

Albion. wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote:
Albion. wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote:
It's odd that Starbucks in Waterstones is closing as it's always doing good business....more sinister goings on in Bradford along with Sunwin House closing a few years ago when it was making a large year on year trading profit. Gutted..Starbucks/Wa




terstones... our favourite place for a coffee after the wife spends a load of cash in Bradford city centre shops. Simply cannot understand some shops such as the two i mentioned closing when quite obviously footfall has increased greatly in Bradford city centre over the last three years.
Well it all goes to prove what nonsense you have been churning out for the last few months, you might stop disregarding the opinions of others who disagree with you now.
The facts about footfall were based on figures and a league table published about three years ago by the government, not a buch of cranks who just run the city down, and i'm not talking about the council...it showed that the money spent in Bradford city centre had pushed the city up five places in that particular table of town and city centres throughout the UK.....then take into account what the folk running the Kirkgate centre had said regarding footfall since the City Park had opened... i myself who shop regularly in Bradford had noticed a large increase of folk in the city centre and it's shops over the last 36 months but especially the last eighteen months. It's you who churn the same old tripe out...the folk on this web site do not represent any kind of scientific cross section of Bradford shoppers and no one in their right mind would think it does. You would think some were working for Leeds City Council though.
The evidence (as in this report) suggests different, perhaps all that "footfall" was disbelieving onlookers on their way for a bus to elsewhere?
Regarding the money spent in town and city centre shops...it was government figures you MORON, you know official figures..unlike the crap spouted on here...hopefully i spelt MORON correctly.
[quote][p][bold]Albion.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: It's odd that Starbucks in Waterstones is closing as it's always doing good business....more sinister goings on in Bradford along with Sunwin House closing a few years ago when it was making a large year on year trading profit. Gutted..Starbucks/Wa terstones... our favourite place for a coffee after the wife spends a load of cash in Bradford city centre shops. Simply cannot understand some shops such as the two i mentioned closing when quite obviously footfall has increased greatly in Bradford city centre over the last three years.[/p][/quote]Well it all goes to prove what nonsense you have been churning out for the last few months, you might stop disregarding the opinions of others who disagree with you now.[/p][/quote]The facts about footfall were based on figures and a league table published about three years ago by the government, not a buch of cranks who just run the city down, and i'm not talking about the council...it showed that the money spent in Bradford city centre had pushed the city up five places in that particular table of town and city centres throughout the UK.....then take into account what the folk running the Kirkgate centre had said regarding footfall since the City Park had opened... i myself who shop regularly in Bradford had noticed a large increase of folk in the city centre and it's shops over the last 36 months but especially the last eighteen months. It's you who churn the same old tripe out...the folk on this web site do not represent any kind of scientific cross section of Bradford shoppers and no one in their right mind would think it does. You would think some were working for Leeds City Council though.[/p][/quote]The evidence (as in this report) suggests different, perhaps all that "footfall" was disbelieving onlookers on their way for a bus to elsewhere?[/p][/quote]Regarding the money spent in town and city centre shops...it was government figures you MORON, you know official figures..unlike the crap spouted on here...hopefully i spelt MORON correctly. bcfc1903
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2:03pm Sun 20 Jan 13

loftyme says...

chard501 wrote:
Bradford is what you get with the free market economy and the way society changes. 20 years ago you had rubbish and run down parts of towns but now with the way house prices have gone you just have rubbish towns. The people who have the money to spend in the shops we'd all like to see in Bradford upped and left a long time ago. The shops we now have reflect the people of who shop there (pound shops, bookies, charity shops). Bradford isn't the only town/city in this position but in the UK it is the largest and most high profile.

As for making it a city of culture etc. Errr, didn't we just blow all our money on a fountain rather than say a music arena. If you want to get footfall in the city centre then introduce zero tolerance policing around it so that people can go to the media museum and alhambra without being worried about their safety. Also, I'm not into sports much but an obvious thing to me would be to put the bulls and the football club in the one stadium in the centre.
absolutely spot on mate, the shops reflect the people who shop there, druggies, drinkers, inbreds, eastern european beggers, loads of ugly people, where do they all come from!!, much prefer keighley, or a trip into huddersfield, a trip into bradford is very rare for me these days.
[quote][p][bold]chard501[/bold] wrote: Bradford is what you get with the free market economy and the way society changes. 20 years ago you had rubbish and run down parts of towns but now with the way house prices have gone you just have rubbish towns. The people who have the money to spend in the shops we'd all like to see in Bradford upped and left a long time ago. The shops we now have reflect the people of who shop there (pound shops, bookies, charity shops). Bradford isn't the only town/city in this position but in the UK it is the largest and most high profile. As for making it a city of culture etc. Errr, didn't we just blow all our money on a fountain rather than say a music arena. If you want to get footfall in the city centre then introduce zero tolerance policing around it so that people can go to the media museum and alhambra without being worried about their safety. Also, I'm not into sports much but an obvious thing to me would be to put the bulls and the football club in the one stadium in the centre.[/p][/quote]absolutely spot on mate, the shops reflect the people who shop there, druggies, drinkers, inbreds, eastern european beggers, loads of ugly people, where do they all come from!!, much prefer keighley, or a trip into huddersfield, a trip into bradford is very rare for me these days. loftyme
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2:09pm Sun 20 Jan 13

bcfc1903 says...

loftyme wrote:
chard501 wrote:
Bradford is what you get with the free market economy and the way society changes. 20 years ago you had rubbish and run down parts of towns but now with the way house prices have gone you just have rubbish towns. The people who have the money to spend in the shops we'd all like to see in Bradford upped and left a long time ago. The shops we now have reflect the people of who shop there (pound shops, bookies, charity shops). Bradford isn't the only town/city in this position but in the UK it is the largest and most high profile.

As for making it a city of culture etc. Errr, didn't we just blow all our money on a fountain rather than say a music arena. If you want to get footfall in the city centre then introduce zero tolerance policing around it so that people can go to the media museum and alhambra without being worried about their safety. Also, I'm not into sports much but an obvious thing to me would be to put the bulls and the football club in the one stadium in the centre.
absolutely spot on mate, the shops reflect the people who shop there, druggies, drinkers, inbreds, eastern european beggers, loads of ugly people, where do they all come from!!, much prefer keighley, or a trip into huddersfield, a trip into bradford is very rare for me these days.
Except the great majority of thousands of folk who shop in Bradford city centre are nothing like those people you mentioned...Surely most folk who live in Hudds shop in Wakefield lol there is a reason for that. I actualkly live on the outskirts of Keighley..enough said.
[quote][p][bold]loftyme[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]chard501[/bold] wrote: Bradford is what you get with the free market economy and the way society changes. 20 years ago you had rubbish and run down parts of towns but now with the way house prices have gone you just have rubbish towns. The people who have the money to spend in the shops we'd all like to see in Bradford upped and left a long time ago. The shops we now have reflect the people of who shop there (pound shops, bookies, charity shops). Bradford isn't the only town/city in this position but in the UK it is the largest and most high profile. As for making it a city of culture etc. Errr, didn't we just blow all our money on a fountain rather than say a music arena. If you want to get footfall in the city centre then introduce zero tolerance policing around it so that people can go to the media museum and alhambra without being worried about their safety. Also, I'm not into sports much but an obvious thing to me would be to put the bulls and the football club in the one stadium in the centre.[/p][/quote]absolutely spot on mate, the shops reflect the people who shop there, druggies, drinkers, inbreds, eastern european beggers, loads of ugly people, where do they all come from!!, much prefer keighley, or a trip into huddersfield, a trip into bradford is very rare for me these days.[/p][/quote]Except the great majority of thousands of folk who shop in Bradford city centre are nothing like those people you mentioned...Surely most folk who live in Hudds shop in Wakefield lol there is a reason for that. I actualkly live on the outskirts of Keighley..enough said. bcfc1903
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2:09pm Sun 20 Jan 13

Albion. says...

bcfc1903 wrote:
Albion. wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote:
Albion. wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote:
It's odd that Starbucks in Waterstones is closing as it's always doing good business....more sinister goings on in Bradford along with Sunwin House closing a few years ago when it was making a large year on year trading profit. Gutted..Starbucks/Wa





terstones... our favourite place for a coffee after the wife spends a load of cash in Bradford city centre shops. Simply cannot understand some shops such as the two i mentioned closing when quite obviously footfall has increased greatly in Bradford city centre over the last three years.
Well it all goes to prove what nonsense you have been churning out for the last few months, you might stop disregarding the opinions of others who disagree with you now.
The facts about footfall were based on figures and a league table published about three years ago by the government, not a buch of cranks who just run the city down, and i'm not talking about the council...it showed that the money spent in Bradford city centre had pushed the city up five places in that particular table of town and city centres throughout the UK.....then take into account what the folk running the Kirkgate centre had said regarding footfall since the City Park had opened... i myself who shop regularly in Bradford had noticed a large increase of folk in the city centre and it's shops over the last 36 months but especially the last eighteen months. It's you who churn the same old tripe out...the folk on this web site do not represent any kind of scientific cross section of Bradford shoppers and no one in their right mind would think it does. You would think some were working for Leeds City Council though.
The evidence (as in this report) suggests different, perhaps all that "footfall" was disbelieving onlookers on their way for a bus to elsewhere?
Regarding the money spent in town and city centre shops...it was government figures you MORON, you know official figures..unlike the crap spouted on here...hopefully i spelt MORON correctly.
And you obviously choose to believe them....bcfc1903 fiddles while Bradford burns!
So everyone with opposing views to your own is either a buffoon or a moron? Right, well you won't want to be associated with us again and will presumably ignore our comments?
Meanwhile the city dies! but it's all OK as there is increased footfall, did both Ladbrokes and Betfred report increased business?
[quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: It's odd that Starbucks in Waterstones is closing as it's always doing good business....more sinister goings on in Bradford along with Sunwin House closing a few years ago when it was making a large year on year trading profit. Gutted..Starbucks/Wa terstones... our favourite place for a coffee after the wife spends a load of cash in Bradford city centre shops. Simply cannot understand some shops such as the two i mentioned closing when quite obviously footfall has increased greatly in Bradford city centre over the last three years.[/p][/quote]Well it all goes to prove what nonsense you have been churning out for the last few months, you might stop disregarding the opinions of others who disagree with you now.[/p][/quote]The facts about footfall were based on figures and a league table published about three years ago by the government, not a buch of cranks who just run the city down, and i'm not talking about the council...it showed that the money spent in Bradford city centre had pushed the city up five places in that particular table of town and city centres throughout the UK.....then take into account what the folk running the Kirkgate centre had said regarding footfall since the City Park had opened... i myself who shop regularly in Bradford had noticed a large increase of folk in the city centre and it's shops over the last 36 months but especially the last eighteen months. It's you who churn the same old tripe out...the folk on this web site do not represent any kind of scientific cross section of Bradford shoppers and no one in their right mind would think it does. You would think some were working for Leeds City Council though.[/p][/quote]The evidence (as in this report) suggests different, perhaps all that "footfall" was disbelieving onlookers on their way for a bus to elsewhere?[/p][/quote]Regarding the money spent in town and city centre shops...it was government figures you MORON, you know official figures..unlike the crap spouted on here...hopefully i spelt MORON correctly.[/p][/quote]And you obviously choose to believe them....bcfc1903 fiddles while Bradford burns! So everyone with opposing views to your own is either a buffoon or a moron? Right, well you won't want to be associated with us again and will presumably ignore our comments? Meanwhile the city dies! but it's all OK as there is increased footfall, did both Ladbrokes and Betfred report increased business? Albion.
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2:13pm Sun 20 Jan 13

Albion. says...

bcfc1903 wrote:
loftyme wrote:
chard501 wrote:
Bradford is what you get with the free market economy and the way society changes. 20 years ago you had rubbish and run down parts of towns but now with the way house prices have gone you just have rubbish towns. The people who have the money to spend in the shops we'd all like to see in Bradford upped and left a long time ago. The shops we now have reflect the people of who shop there (pound shops, bookies, charity shops). Bradford isn't the only town/city in this position but in the UK it is the largest and most high profile.

As for making it a city of culture etc. Errr, didn't we just blow all our money on a fountain rather than say a music arena. If you want to get footfall in the city centre then introduce zero tolerance policing around it so that people can go to the media museum and alhambra without being worried about their safety. Also, I'm not into sports much but an obvious thing to me would be to put the bulls and the football club in the one stadium in the centre.
absolutely spot on mate, the shops reflect the people who shop there, druggies, drinkers, inbreds, eastern european beggers, loads of ugly people, where do they all come from!!, much prefer keighley, or a trip into huddersfield, a trip into bradford is very rare for me these days.
Except the great majority of thousands of folk who shop in Bradford city centre are nothing like those people you mentioned...Surely most folk who live in Hudds shop in Wakefield lol there is a reason for that. I actualkly live on the outskirts of Keighley..enough said.
"actualkly"? Oh dear! :-)
[quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loftyme[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]chard501[/bold] wrote: Bradford is what you get with the free market economy and the way society changes. 20 years ago you had rubbish and run down parts of towns but now with the way house prices have gone you just have rubbish towns. The people who have the money to spend in the shops we'd all like to see in Bradford upped and left a long time ago. The shops we now have reflect the people of who shop there (pound shops, bookies, charity shops). Bradford isn't the only town/city in this position but in the UK it is the largest and most high profile. As for making it a city of culture etc. Errr, didn't we just blow all our money on a fountain rather than say a music arena. If you want to get footfall in the city centre then introduce zero tolerance policing around it so that people can go to the media museum and alhambra without being worried about their safety. Also, I'm not into sports much but an obvious thing to me would be to put the bulls and the football club in the one stadium in the centre.[/p][/quote]absolutely spot on mate, the shops reflect the people who shop there, druggies, drinkers, inbreds, eastern european beggers, loads of ugly people, where do they all come from!!, much prefer keighley, or a trip into huddersfield, a trip into bradford is very rare for me these days.[/p][/quote]Except the great majority of thousands of folk who shop in Bradford city centre are nothing like those people you mentioned...Surely most folk who live in Hudds shop in Wakefield lol there is a reason for that. I actualkly live on the outskirts of Keighley..enough said.[/p][/quote]"actualkly"? Oh dear! :-) Albion.
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2:23pm Sun 20 Jan 13

bhuna156 says...

loftyme wrote:
chard501 wrote:
Bradford is what you get with the free market economy and the way society changes. 20 years ago you had rubbish and run down parts of towns but now with the way house prices have gone you just have rubbish towns. The people who have the money to spend in the shops we'd all like to see in Bradford upped and left a long time ago. The shops we now have reflect the people of who shop there (pound shops, bookies, charity shops). Bradford isn't the only town/city in this position but in the UK it is the largest and most high profile.

As for making it a city of culture etc. Errr, didn't we just blow all our money on a fountain rather than say a music arena. If you want to get footfall in the city centre then introduce zero tolerance policing around it so that people can go to the media museum and alhambra without being worried about their safety. Also, I'm not into sports much but an obvious thing to me would be to put the bulls and the football club in the one stadium in the centre.
absolutely spot on mate, the shops reflect the people who shop there, druggies, drinkers, inbreds, eastern european beggers, loads of ugly people, where do they all come from!!, much prefer keighley, or a trip into huddersfield, a trip into bradford is very rare for me these days.
keighley defo has more chavs and scratters than bradford..... and bradford has better shops.
[quote][p][bold]loftyme[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]chard501[/bold] wrote: Bradford is what you get with the free market economy and the way society changes. 20 years ago you had rubbish and run down parts of towns but now with the way house prices have gone you just have rubbish towns. The people who have the money to spend in the shops we'd all like to see in Bradford upped and left a long time ago. The shops we now have reflect the people of who shop there (pound shops, bookies, charity shops). Bradford isn't the only town/city in this position but in the UK it is the largest and most high profile. As for making it a city of culture etc. Errr, didn't we just blow all our money on a fountain rather than say a music arena. If you want to get footfall in the city centre then introduce zero tolerance policing around it so that people can go to the media museum and alhambra without being worried about their safety. Also, I'm not into sports much but an obvious thing to me would be to put the bulls and the football club in the one stadium in the centre.[/p][/quote]absolutely spot on mate, the shops reflect the people who shop there, druggies, drinkers, inbreds, eastern european beggers, loads of ugly people, where do they all come from!!, much prefer keighley, or a trip into huddersfield, a trip into bradford is very rare for me these days.[/p][/quote]keighley defo has more chavs and scratters than bradford..... and bradford has better shops. bhuna156
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2:28pm Sun 20 Jan 13

loftyme says...

Albion. wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote:
loftyme wrote:
chard501 wrote:
Bradford is what you get with the free market economy and the way society changes. 20 years ago you had rubbish and run down parts of towns but now with the way house prices have gone you just have rubbish towns. The people who have the money to spend in the shops we'd all like to see in Bradford upped and left a long time ago. The shops we now have reflect the people of who shop there (pound shops, bookies, charity shops). Bradford isn't the only town/city in this position but in the UK it is the largest and most high profile.

As for making it a city of culture etc. Errr, didn't we just blow all our money on a fountain rather than say a music arena. If you want to get footfall in the city centre then introduce zero tolerance policing around it so that people can go to the media museum and alhambra without being worried about their safety. Also, I'm not into sports much but an obvious thing to me would be to put the bulls and the football club in the one stadium in the centre.
absolutely spot on mate, the shops reflect the people who shop there, druggies, drinkers, inbreds, eastern european beggers, loads of ugly people, where do they all come from!!, much prefer keighley, or a trip into huddersfield, a trip into bradford is very rare for me these days.
Except the great majority of thousands of folk who shop in Bradford city centre are nothing like those people you mentioned...Surely most folk who live in Hudds shop in Wakefield lol there is a reason for that. I actualkly live on the outskirts of Keighley..enough said.
"actualkly"? Oh dear! :-)
you must walk around with your eyes closed, I have never seen such a miserable bunch of people in my life like the folk in Bradford town center, i occasionally have to travel by train or coach so have a unpleasant visit to the Interchange now and again, what a depressing place, the only good thing is the journey away from Bradford, and I was born and bred here, actually!
[quote][p][bold]Albion.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loftyme[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]chard501[/bold] wrote: Bradford is what you get with the free market economy and the way society changes. 20 years ago you had rubbish and run down parts of towns but now with the way house prices have gone you just have rubbish towns. The people who have the money to spend in the shops we'd all like to see in Bradford upped and left a long time ago. The shops we now have reflect the people of who shop there (pound shops, bookies, charity shops). Bradford isn't the only town/city in this position but in the UK it is the largest and most high profile. As for making it a city of culture etc. Errr, didn't we just blow all our money on a fountain rather than say a music arena. If you want to get footfall in the city centre then introduce zero tolerance policing around it so that people can go to the media museum and alhambra without being worried about their safety. Also, I'm not into sports much but an obvious thing to me would be to put the bulls and the football club in the one stadium in the centre.[/p][/quote]absolutely spot on mate, the shops reflect the people who shop there, druggies, drinkers, inbreds, eastern european beggers, loads of ugly people, where do they all come from!!, much prefer keighley, or a trip into huddersfield, a trip into bradford is very rare for me these days.[/p][/quote]Except the great majority of thousands of folk who shop in Bradford city centre are nothing like those people you mentioned...Surely most folk who live in Hudds shop in Wakefield lol there is a reason for that. I actualkly live on the outskirts of Keighley..enough said.[/p][/quote]"actualkly"? Oh dear! :-)[/p][/quote]you must walk around with your eyes closed, I have never seen such a miserable bunch of people in my life like the folk in Bradford town center, i occasionally have to travel by train or coach so have a unpleasant visit to the Interchange now and again, what a depressing place, the only good thing is the journey away from Bradford, and I was born and bred here, actually! loftyme
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2:31pm Sun 20 Jan 13

bhuna156 says...

Oh come on, Bradford isn't that bad.
you all just love to moan and make up stories - just admit it.
Oh come on, Bradford isn't that bad. you all just love to moan and make up stories - just admit it. bhuna156
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2:33pm Sun 20 Jan 13

bcfc1903 says...

Albion. wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote:
Albion. wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote:
Albion. wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote:
It's odd that Starbucks in Waterstones is closing as it's always doing good business....more sinister goings on in Bradford along with Sunwin House closing a few years ago when it was making a large year on year trading profit. Gutted..Starbucks/Wa






terstones... our favourite place for a coffee after the wife spends a load of cash in Bradford city centre shops. Simply cannot understand some shops such as the two i mentioned closing when quite obviously footfall has increased greatly in Bradford city centre over the last three years.
Well it all goes to prove what nonsense you have been churning out for the last few months, you might stop disregarding the opinions of others who disagree with you now.
The facts about footfall were based on figures and a league table published about three years ago by the government, not a buch of cranks who just run the city down, and i'm not talking about the council...it showed that the money spent in Bradford city centre had pushed the city up five places in that particular table of town and city centres throughout the UK.....then take into account what the folk running the Kirkgate centre had said regarding footfall since the City Park had opened... i myself who shop regularly in Bradford had noticed a large increase of folk in the city centre and it's shops over the last 36 months but especially the last eighteen months. It's you who churn the same old tripe out...the folk on this web site do not represent any kind of scientific cross section of Bradford shoppers and no one in their right mind would think it does. You would think some were working for Leeds City Council though.
The evidence (as in this report) suggests different, perhaps all that "footfall" was disbelieving onlookers on their way for a bus to elsewhere?
Regarding the money spent in town and city centre shops...it was government figures you MORON, you know official figures..unlike the crap spouted on here...hopefully i spelt MORON correctly.
And you obviously choose to believe them....bcfc1903 fiddles while Bradford burns!
So everyone with opposing views to your own is either a buffoon or a moron? Right, well you won't want to be associated with us again and will presumably ignore our comments?
Meanwhile the city dies! but it's all OK as there is increased footfall, did both Ladbrokes and Betfred report increased business?
This is of course my opinion based on government figures.....why would i ignore untruths or stuff simply made up by folk who put two and two together and make five. The city isn't dieing is it, just because you say something doesn't actually mean it's a fact... you seem to come out with tosh which are just more throw away comments based on nothing, the usual guff about beggars, pound shops and betting shops and simply ignoring the many other excellent shops and shoppers. The figures i alluded to are actual real figures produced at a time when maybe Bradford wasn't doing as well as it is now regarding footfall. You really are quite a sad individuel, but you are at least not lonely on this site.
[quote][p][bold]Albion.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: It's odd that Starbucks in Waterstones is closing as it's always doing good business....more sinister goings on in Bradford along with Sunwin House closing a few years ago when it was making a large year on year trading profit. Gutted..Starbucks/Wa terstones... our favourite place for a coffee after the wife spends a load of cash in Bradford city centre shops. Simply cannot understand some shops such as the two i mentioned closing when quite obviously footfall has increased greatly in Bradford city centre over the last three years.[/p][/quote]Well it all goes to prove what nonsense you have been churning out for the last few months, you might stop disregarding the opinions of others who disagree with you now.[/p][/quote]The facts about footfall were based on figures and a league table published about three years ago by the government, not a buch of cranks who just run the city down, and i'm not talking about the council...it showed that the money spent in Bradford city centre had pushed the city up five places in that particular table of town and city centres throughout the UK.....then take into account what the folk running the Kirkgate centre had said regarding footfall since the City Park had opened... i myself who shop regularly in Bradford had noticed a large increase of folk in the city centre and it's shops over the last 36 months but especially the last eighteen months. It's you who churn the same old tripe out...the folk on this web site do not represent any kind of scientific cross section of Bradford shoppers and no one in their right mind would think it does. You would think some were working for Leeds City Council though.[/p][/quote]The evidence (as in this report) suggests different, perhaps all that "footfall" was disbelieving onlookers on their way for a bus to elsewhere?[/p][/quote]Regarding the money spent in town and city centre shops...it was government figures you MORON, you know official figures..unlike the crap spouted on here...hopefully i spelt MORON correctly.[/p][/quote]And you obviously choose to believe them....bcfc1903 fiddles while Bradford burns! So everyone with opposing views to your own is either a buffoon or a moron? Right, well you won't want to be associated with us again and will presumably ignore our comments? Meanwhile the city dies! but it's all OK as there is increased footfall, did both Ladbrokes and Betfred report increased business?[/p][/quote]This is of course my opinion based on government figures.....why would i ignore untruths or stuff simply made up by folk who put two and two together and make five. The city isn't dieing is it, just because you say something doesn't actually mean it's a fact... you seem to come out with tosh which are just more throw away comments based on nothing, the usual guff about beggars, pound shops and betting shops and simply ignoring the many other excellent shops and shoppers. The figures i alluded to are actual real figures produced at a time when maybe Bradford wasn't doing as well as it is now regarding footfall. You really are quite a sad individuel, but you are at least not lonely on this site. bcfc1903
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2:41pm Sun 20 Jan 13

bhuna156 says...

Same stores are closing in Leeds, Huddersfield, Wakefield, Halifax.... this is a sign of the times and they'll be a lot more to follow!

I'd rather the Westfield site was used for a museum or another sort of visitor attraction, cos the downward trend of physical shopping is only going to continue.
Same stores are closing in Leeds, Huddersfield, Wakefield, Halifax.... this is a sign of the times and they'll be a lot more to follow! I'd rather the Westfield site was used for a museum or another sort of visitor attraction, cos the downward trend of physical shopping is only going to continue. bhuna156
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2:42pm Sun 20 Jan 13

Albion. says...

"individuel" Hahahaha! No I'm not sad.....it cheers me up every time I read your delusions of grandeur.
As I indicated earlier, you can produce all the figures that you can conjure up, and pull the wool over many an eye.....meanwhile (as reported here) yet more businesses in Bradford have closed and the great saviour (pond) has failed to create anything of any significance.
"individuel" Hahahaha! No I'm not sad.....it cheers me up every time I read your delusions of grandeur. As I indicated earlier, you can produce all the figures that you can conjure up, and pull the wool over many an eye.....meanwhile (as reported here) yet more businesses in Bradford have closed and the great saviour (pond) has failed to create anything of any significance. Albion.
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2:43pm Sun 20 Jan 13

Albion. says...

bhuna156 wrote:
Same stores are closing in Leeds, Huddersfield, Wakefield, Halifax.... this is a sign of the times and they'll be a lot more to follow!

I'd rather the Westfield site was used for a museum or another sort of visitor attraction, cos the downward trend of physical shopping is only going to continue.
That has already been covered here.
[quote][p][bold]bhuna156[/bold] wrote: Same stores are closing in Leeds, Huddersfield, Wakefield, Halifax.... this is a sign of the times and they'll be a lot more to follow! I'd rather the Westfield site was used for a museum or another sort of visitor attraction, cos the downward trend of physical shopping is only going to continue.[/p][/quote]That has already been covered here. Albion.
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2:53pm Sun 20 Jan 13

loftyme says...

erm!, thats what we were discussing, quality shops closing, and bookies, pound shops, cash converters etc opening, so without the quality shops, you do not get the spenders, poundland is the fastest growing retailer at the moment, opening an average of 60 stores each year, profits up 81%, they cant keep up with the demand, they are not just cheapo shops, they reflect the current economy.
erm!, thats what we were discussing, quality shops closing, and bookies, pound shops, cash converters etc opening, so without the quality shops, you do not get the spenders, poundland is the fastest growing retailer at the moment, opening an average of 60 stores each year, profits up 81%, they cant keep up with the demand, they are not just cheapo shops, they reflect the current economy. loftyme
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3:09pm Sun 20 Jan 13

Reality001 says...

Mike Strutter wrote:
Dave Green needs to get his head out of his **** ! Yes the national situation doesn't help but rather than blame it why doesn't he try do something about it ? And I don't mean more pound shops or bookies !!
So you think Bradford Council is now to blame for the economy nationally ???

The fact is there is no growth in the economy. The amount of money people has to spend is getting less and less due to no pay rise, and more and more people buying bargains from the internet.

And this is going to get worse with all the cuts to the benefits of people who do work such as Tax Credits.
[quote][p][bold]Mike Strutter[/bold] wrote: Dave Green needs to get his head out of his **** ! Yes the national situation doesn't help but rather than blame it why doesn't he try do something about it ? And I don't mean more pound shops or bookies !![/p][/quote]So you think Bradford Council is now to blame for the economy nationally ??? The fact is there is no growth in the economy. The amount of money people has to spend is getting less and less due to no pay rise, and more and more people buying bargains from the internet. And this is going to get worse with all the cuts to the benefits of people who do work such as Tax Credits. Reality001
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3:09pm Sun 20 Jan 13

Reality001 says...

Mike Strutter wrote:
Dave Green needs to get his head out of his **** ! Yes the national situation doesn't help but rather than blame it why doesn't he try do something about it ? And I don't mean more pound shops or bookies !!
So you think Bradford Council is now to blame for the economy nationally ???

The fact is there is no growth in the economy. The amount of money people has to spend is getting less and less due to no pay rise, and more and more people buying bargains from the internet.

And this is going to get worse with all the cuts to the benefits of people who do work such as Tax Credits.
[quote][p][bold]Mike Strutter[/bold] wrote: Dave Green needs to get his head out of his **** ! Yes the national situation doesn't help but rather than blame it why doesn't he try do something about it ? And I don't mean more pound shops or bookies !![/p][/quote]So you think Bradford Council is now to blame for the economy nationally ??? The fact is there is no growth in the economy. The amount of money people has to spend is getting less and less due to no pay rise, and more and more people buying bargains from the internet. And this is going to get worse with all the cuts to the benefits of people who do work such as Tax Credits. Reality001
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3:09pm Sun 20 Jan 13

bhuna156 says...

Albion. wrote:
bhuna156 wrote:
Same stores are closing in Leeds, Huddersfield, Wakefield, Halifax.... this is a sign of the times and they'll be a lot more to follow!

I'd rather the Westfield site was used for a museum or another sort of visitor attraction, cos the downward trend of physical shopping is only going to continue.
That has already been covered here.
So has everything else!
[quote][p][bold]Albion.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bhuna156[/bold] wrote: Same stores are closing in Leeds, Huddersfield, Wakefield, Halifax.... this is a sign of the times and they'll be a lot more to follow! I'd rather the Westfield site was used for a museum or another sort of visitor attraction, cos the downward trend of physical shopping is only going to continue.[/p][/quote]That has already been covered here.[/p][/quote]So has everything else! bhuna156
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3:47pm Sun 20 Jan 13

watcher22 says...

Let's all move to Rio
Let's all move to Rio watcher22
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5:50pm Sun 20 Jan 13

Not so simple says...

watcher22 wrote:
Let's all move to Rio
At least it's warmer and far away from these forward looking politicians we have in England.
[quote][p][bold]watcher22[/bold] wrote: Let's all move to Rio[/p][/quote]At least it's warmer and far away from these forward looking politicians we have in England. Not so simple
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7:03pm Sun 20 Jan 13

chard501 says...

BCC aren't accountable for the state of the UK economy but they are accountable for letting things in Bradford get as bad as they have. The joke with the public sector is of course that none of them are accountable. They just walk off into the sunset with their pensions and pay-offs. The ideas that come out of BCC seem unoriginal and poorly thought out. The 'let's build 1000s of flats in the city centre' concept only works in Leeds because of the large number of students and young professionals who live there short term. Bradford doesn't have a great deal of either category!
BCC aren't accountable for the state of the UK economy but they are accountable for letting things in Bradford get as bad as they have. The joke with the public sector is of course that none of them are accountable. They just walk off into the sunset with their pensions and pay-offs. The ideas that come out of BCC seem unoriginal and poorly thought out. The 'let's build 1000s of flats in the city centre' concept only works in Leeds because of the large number of students and young professionals who live there short term. Bradford doesn't have a great deal of either category! chard501
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7:03pm Sun 20 Jan 13

Clowny says...

Mr Bradford wrote:
Clowny wrote:
Mr Bradford wrote:
Clowny wrote:
Mr Bradford wrote:
People love to make out that it's only in Bradford this is happening, but HMV/Jessops/Millets/





Comet etc have closed down or are closing down in every town and city in the country.
You'll find Game has stayed open in busier cities and is even considering a bid for HMV's successful stores.
I think you'll find there's still a Game in Bradford.
Has the Darley Street one reopened as that did close?
Gamestation never closed, and it's now called Game.
There was a Game also on Darley St and Broadway, they both closed, the same group owned Gamestation so has clearly renamed it to keep a single brand.
[quote][p][bold]Mr Bradford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clowny[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Bradford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clowny[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Bradford[/bold] wrote: People love to make out that it's only in Bradford this is happening, but HMV/Jessops/Millets/ Comet etc have closed down or are closing down in every town and city in the country.[/p][/quote]You'll find Game has stayed open in busier cities and is even considering a bid for HMV's successful stores.[/p][/quote]I think you'll find there's still a Game in Bradford.[/p][/quote]Has the Darley Street one reopened as that did close?[/p][/quote]Gamestation never closed, and it's now called Game.[/p][/quote]There was a Game also on Darley St and Broadway, they both closed, the same group owned Gamestation so has clearly renamed it to keep a single brand. Clowny
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7:24pm Sun 20 Jan 13

Rambo says...

In case you can't be arsed going through 130+ comments, it was me who commented last week I think Starbucks was going to shut as I knew already.

What I said was their rent was tiny in comparison to their other unit at Centenary Sq (took 5 years to make a profit) as it was a long-term contract that was based on a low percentage of their takings.

One of my theories is they are preparing for Waterstones closing, and Starbucks as a company are putting more effort into new stores in Leeds that are opening. As I said above, the staff in Bradford will be moved to Leeds.

I actually just realised out of the 4 jobs I've had in Bradford in 7 years, 2 have shut down (Starbucks being one), one has relocated to the centre of Leeds and only one remains open. And that was only a temporary one.

And did you know they are looking at converting more apartments at Forster Sq? One was that large abandoned mill on the Subway side, the other a smaller one behind the Travel Lodge. The latter though fell through last week.
In case you can't be arsed going through 130+ comments, it was me who commented last week I think Starbucks was going to shut as I knew already. What I said was their rent was tiny in comparison to their other unit at Centenary Sq (took 5 years to make a profit) as it was a long-term contract that was based on a low percentage of their takings. One of my theories is they are preparing for Waterstones closing, and Starbucks as a company are putting more effort into new stores in Leeds that are opening. As I said above, the staff in Bradford will be moved to Leeds. I actually just realised out of the 4 jobs I've had in Bradford in 7 years, 2 have shut down (Starbucks being one), one has relocated to the centre of Leeds and only one remains open. And that was only a temporary one. And did you know they are looking at converting more apartments at Forster Sq? One was that large abandoned mill on the Subway side, the other a smaller one behind the Travel Lodge. The latter though fell through last week. Rambo
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7:50pm Sun 20 Jan 13

bcfc1903 says...

Albion. wrote:
"individuel" Hahahaha! No I'm not sad.....it cheers me up every time I read your delusions of grandeur.
As I indicated earlier, you can produce all the figures that you can conjure up, and pull the wool over many an eye.....meanwhile (as reported here) yet more businesses in Bradford have closed and the great saviour (pond) has failed to create anything of any significance.
It seems you can't even interpret my thread....what has delusions of gradeur got to do with my posts....anyone who reads my posts cannot take that as an interpretation of what i'm saying, other than you. So unfortunately you simply make throw away comments to back your argument up...you of course are not alone...the cheap shot mentality rules on this thread...OK..... You really do need to read what i'm saying...it's far from 'everything in the Bradford city centre is rosey'...this thread is a joke full of absolute garbage..throw away comments that keep being regurgitated as fact.....how very very sad...
[quote][p][bold]Albion.[/bold] wrote: "individuel" Hahahaha! No I'm not sad.....it cheers me up every time I read your delusions of grandeur. As I indicated earlier, you can produce all the figures that you can conjure up, and pull the wool over many an eye.....meanwhile (as reported here) yet more businesses in Bradford have closed and the great saviour (pond) has failed to create anything of any significance.[/p][/quote]It seems you can't even interpret my thread....what has delusions of gradeur got to do with my posts....anyone who reads my posts cannot take that as an interpretation of what i'm saying, other than you. So unfortunately you simply make throw away comments to back your argument up...you of course are not alone...the cheap shot mentality rules on this thread...OK..... You really do need to read what i'm saying...it's far from 'everything in the Bradford city centre is rosey'...this thread is a joke full of absolute garbage..throw away comments that keep being regurgitated as fact.....how very very sad... bcfc1903
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7:52pm Sun 20 Jan 13

Not so simple says...

Rambo wrote:
In case you can't be arsed going through 130+ comments, it was me who commented last week I think Starbucks was going to shut as I knew already.

What I said was their rent was tiny in comparison to their other unit at Centenary Sq (took 5 years to make a profit) as it was a long-term contract that was based on a low percentage of their takings.

One of my theories is they are preparing for Waterstones closing, and Starbucks as a company are putting more effort into new stores in Leeds that are opening. As I said above, the staff in Bradford will be moved to Leeds.

I actually just realised out of the 4 jobs I've had in Bradford in 7 years, 2 have shut down (Starbucks being one), one has relocated to the centre of Leeds and only one remains open. And that was only a temporary one.

And did you know they are looking at converting more apartments at Forster Sq? One was that large abandoned mill on the Subway side, the other a smaller one behind the Travel Lodge. The latter though fell through last week.
Erm...I recall mentioning the closure well before you. I believe it was on the jessops and HMV article. Agree with you on the Forster Sq issues, they want more apartments but not going to happen. BCC is a shambles, no offence to other shambles.
[quote][p][bold]Rambo[/bold] wrote: In case you can't be arsed going through 130+ comments, it was me who commented last week I think Starbucks was going to shut as I knew already. What I said was their rent was tiny in comparison to their other unit at Centenary Sq (took 5 years to make a profit) as it was a long-term contract that was based on a low percentage of their takings. One of my theories is they are preparing for Waterstones closing, and Starbucks as a company are putting more effort into new stores in Leeds that are opening. As I said above, the staff in Bradford will be moved to Leeds. I actually just realised out of the 4 jobs I've had in Bradford in 7 years, 2 have shut down (Starbucks being one), one has relocated to the centre of Leeds and only one remains open. And that was only a temporary one. And did you know they are looking at converting more apartments at Forster Sq? One was that large abandoned mill on the Subway side, the other a smaller one behind the Travel Lodge. The latter though fell through last week.[/p][/quote]Erm...I recall mentioning the closure well before you. I believe it was on the jessops and HMV article. Agree with you on the Forster Sq issues, they want more apartments but not going to happen. BCC is a shambles, no offence to other shambles. Not so simple
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10:59pm Sun 20 Jan 13

Mr Bradford says...

Clowny wrote:
Mr Bradford wrote:
Clowny wrote:
Mr Bradford wrote:
Clowny wrote:
Mr Bradford wrote:
People love to make out that it's only in Bradford this is happening, but HMV/Jessops/Millets/






Comet etc have closed down or are closing down in every town and city in the country.
You'll find Game has stayed open in busier cities and is even considering a bid for HMV's successful stores.
I think you'll find there's still a Game in Bradford.
Has the Darley Street one reopened as that did close?
Gamestation never closed, and it's now called Game.
There was a Game also on Darley St and Broadway, they both closed, the same group owned Gamestation so has clearly renamed it to keep a single brand.
So, like I said, there is still a Game in Bradford...
[quote][p][bold]Clowny[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Bradford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clowny[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Bradford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clowny[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Bradford[/bold] wrote: People love to make out that it's only in Bradford this is happening, but HMV/Jessops/Millets/ Comet etc have closed down or are closing down in every town and city in the country.[/p][/quote]You'll find Game has stayed open in busier cities and is even considering a bid for HMV's successful stores.[/p][/quote]I think you'll find there's still a Game in Bradford.[/p][/quote]Has the Darley Street one reopened as that did close?[/p][/quote]Gamestation never closed, and it's now called Game.[/p][/quote]There was a Game also on Darley St and Broadway, they both closed, the same group owned Gamestation so has clearly renamed it to keep a single brand.[/p][/quote]So, like I said, there is still a Game in Bradford... Mr Bradford
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12:37am Mon 21 Jan 13

Clowny says...

Don't act so smart my question was about the original Game stores, Gamestation closed down for the rebranding. There are examples I could point out like T J Hughes which saved branches in other cities.

Many of the smaller shops, plus some pubs and clubs, have already closed, without an article in this paper.
Don't act so smart my question was about the original Game stores, Gamestation closed down for the rebranding. There are examples I could point out like T J Hughes which saved branches in other cities. Many of the smaller shops, plus some pubs and clubs, have already closed, without an article in this paper. Clowny
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12:41am Mon 21 Jan 13

6teddies says...

Pity poor Bradford Mr Gallowaste oops i mean galloway will never do anything for bradford, i wish he had never set foot here get back on tv. sorry to see all the empty shops in bradford maybe they will be filled by mobile phone shops or many more pound shops as we are all saying so whats next to close M&S maybe had enough of blandford head back to leeds?
Pity poor Bradford Mr Gallowaste oops i mean galloway will never do anything for bradford, i wish he had never set foot here get back on tv. sorry to see all the empty shops in bradford maybe they will be filled by mobile phone shops or many more pound shops as we are all saying so whats next to close M&S maybe had enough of blandford head back to leeds? 6teddies
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12:56am Mon 21 Jan 13

6teddies says...

Is it true that T.J.Hughes is going to be appartments?
Is it true that T.J.Hughes is going to be appartments? 6teddies
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1:03am Mon 21 Jan 13

Not so simple says...

Courtesy of the rumour mill at the Varsity. Without prejudice of course!

Did I mention that Olicana House in little Germany is also going to be empty soon. Telegraph needs to start paying me for these breaking news.

I also understand that Incommunities maybe considering its position at the Headquarters at Augustus house.
Courtesy of the rumour mill at the Varsity. Without prejudice of course! Did I mention that Olicana House in little Germany is also going to be empty soon. Telegraph needs to start paying me for these breaking news. I also understand that Incommunities maybe considering its position at the Headquarters at Augustus house. Not so simple
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1:07am Mon 21 Jan 13

Not so simple says...

6teddies wrote:
Pity poor Bradford Mr Gallowaste oops i mean galloway will never do anything for bradford, i wish he had never set foot here get back on tv. sorry to see all the empty shops in bradford maybe they will be filled by mobile phone shops or many more pound shops as we are all saying so whats next to close M&S maybe had enough of blandford head back to leeds?
It's not Gorgeous George's fault the city centre is a ghost town. It's your fault,citizens of Bradford you allowed your council and it's departments to do this to the city centre. Stop moaning and start searching for answers to your questions rather then blind finger pointing.

Want to make a change? Start with speaking out and attend council meetings.

Meanwhile i'll stick to the pubs whilst we still have them.
[quote][p][bold]6teddies[/bold] wrote: Pity poor Bradford Mr Gallowaste oops i mean galloway will never do anything for bradford, i wish he had never set foot here get back on tv. sorry to see all the empty shops in bradford maybe they will be filled by mobile phone shops or many more pound shops as we are all saying so whats next to close M&S maybe had enough of blandford head back to leeds?[/p][/quote]It's not Gorgeous George's fault the city centre is a ghost town. It's your fault,citizens of Bradford you allowed your council and it's departments to do this to the city centre. Stop moaning and start searching for answers to your questions rather then blind finger pointing. Want to make a change? Start with speaking out and attend council meetings. Meanwhile i'll stick to the pubs whilst we still have them. Not so simple
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1:08am Mon 21 Jan 13

6teddies says...

Not so simple wrote:
Courtesy of the rumour mill at the Varsity. Without prejudice of course!

Did I mention that Olicana House in little Germany is also going to be empty soon. Telegraph needs to start paying me for these breaking news.

I also understand that Incommunities maybe considering its position at the Headquarters at Augustus house.
Incommunities leaving Augustus House they have only recently "done the place up" hav'nt they? Well maybe they will move into the Townhall
[quote][p][bold]Not so simple[/bold] wrote: Courtesy of the rumour mill at the Varsity. Without prejudice of course! Did I mention that Olicana House in little Germany is also going to be empty soon. Telegraph needs to start paying me for these breaking news. I also understand that Incommunities maybe considering its position at the Headquarters at Augustus house.[/p][/quote]Incommunities leaving Augustus House they have only recently "done the place up" hav'nt they? Well maybe they will move into the Townhall 6teddies
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1:12am Mon 21 Jan 13

6teddies says...

Not so simple wrote:
6teddies wrote:
Pity poor Bradford Mr Gallowaste oops i mean galloway will never do anything for bradford, i wish he had never set foot here get back on tv. sorry to see all the empty shops in bradford maybe they will be filled by mobile phone shops or many more pound shops as we are all saying so whats next to close M&S maybe had enough of blandford head back to leeds?
It's not Gorgeous George's fault the city centre is a ghost town. It's your fault,citizens of Bradford you allowed your council and it's departments to do this to the city centre. Stop moaning and start searching for answers to your questions rather then blind finger pointing.

Want to make a change? Start with speaking out and attend council meetings.

Meanwhile i'll stick to the pubs whilst we still have them.
Good idea and other good idea pubs yes they are closing to so il pop into the salts and have a few nice guest ales by the way why is he called "Gorgeous George"
[quote][p][bold]Not so simple[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]6teddies[/bold] wrote: Pity poor Bradford Mr Gallowaste oops i mean galloway will never do anything for bradford, i wish he had never set foot here get back on tv. sorry to see all the empty shops in bradford maybe they will be filled by mobile phone shops or many more pound shops as we are all saying so whats next to close M&S maybe had enough of blandford head back to leeds?[/p][/quote]It's not Gorgeous George's fault the city centre is a ghost town. It's your fault,citizens of Bradford you allowed your council and it's departments to do this to the city centre. Stop moaning and start searching for answers to your questions rather then blind finger pointing. Want to make a change? Start with speaking out and attend council meetings. Meanwhile i'll stick to the pubs whilst we still have them.[/p][/quote]Good idea and other good idea pubs yes they are closing to so il pop into the salts and have a few nice guest ales by the way why is he called "Gorgeous George" 6teddies
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7:48am Mon 21 Jan 13

Mr Bradford says...

Clowny wrote:
Don't act so smart my question was about the original Game stores, Gamestation closed down for the rebranding. There are examples I could point out like T J Hughes which saved branches in other cities. Many of the smaller shops, plus some pubs and clubs, have already closed, without an article in this paper.
You mentioned nothing about original Game stores originally.
Bradford still has a Game store. end of.
In Halifax both Game and Gamestation have closed down, whith signs in the window saying the nearest one is in Bradford.
Many peacocks have closed down, but there's still one in Bradford.
[quote][p][bold]Clowny[/bold] wrote: Don't act so smart my question was about the original Game stores, Gamestation closed down for the rebranding. There are examples I could point out like T J Hughes which saved branches in other cities. Many of the smaller shops, plus some pubs and clubs, have already closed, without an article in this paper.[/p][/quote]You mentioned nothing about original Game stores originally. Bradford still has a Game store. end of. In Halifax both Game and Gamestation have closed down, whith signs in the window saying the nearest one is in Bradford. Many peacocks have closed down, but there's still one in Bradford. Mr Bradford
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7:56am Mon 21 Jan 13

Mr Bradford says...

Things could be a lot worse.
There's only one empty unit in the Kirkgate centre - that's rare for a shopping centre these days. And there's only the Comet unit empty at Forster Square. Both of these shopping destinations always seem to be busy and the Kirkgate centre is enjoying increased numbers of footfall.
This proves a lot of people still shop in Bradford, despite what you want to believe.....
Things could be a lot worse. There's only one empty unit in the Kirkgate centre - that's rare for a shopping centre these days. And there's only the Comet unit empty at Forster Square. Both of these shopping destinations always seem to be busy and the Kirkgate centre is enjoying increased numbers of footfall. This proves a lot of people still shop in Bradford, despite what you want to believe..... Mr Bradford
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8:03am Mon 21 Jan 13

Clowny says...

Mr Bradford wrote:
Things could be a lot worse.
There's only one empty unit in the Kirkgate centre - that's rare for a shopping centre these days. And there's only the Comet unit empty at Forster Square. Both of these shopping destinations always seem to be busy and the Kirkgate centre is enjoying increased numbers of footfall.
This proves a lot of people still shop in Bradford, despite what you want to believe.....
The Kirkgate's website has 7 shops listed empty, with a further 2 also empty but with potential offers.
[quote][p][bold]Mr Bradford[/bold] wrote: Things could be a lot worse. There's only one empty unit in the Kirkgate centre - that's rare for a shopping centre these days. And there's only the Comet unit empty at Forster Square. Both of these shopping destinations always seem to be busy and the Kirkgate centre is enjoying increased numbers of footfall. This proves a lot of people still shop in Bradford, despite what you want to believe.....[/p][/quote]The Kirkgate's website has 7 shops listed empty, with a further 2 also empty but with potential offers. Clowny
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8:15am Mon 21 Jan 13

Clowny says...

Mr Bradford wrote:
Clowny wrote:
Don't act so smart my question was about the original Game stores, Gamestation closed down for the rebranding. There are examples I could point out like T J Hughes which saved branches in other cities. Many of the smaller shops, plus some pubs and clubs, have already closed, without an article in this paper.
You mentioned nothing about original Game stores originally.
Bradford still has a Game store. end of.
In Halifax both Game and Gamestation have closed down, whith signs in the window saying the nearest one is in Bradford.
Many peacocks have closed down, but there's still one in Bradford.
According to the Game's website they changed the Southgate Gamestation to a Game in Halifax like they did in Bradford, unless you're saying that has closed down since?

The fact remains in the last 3-6 months the city centre has lost some independent retailers, at least 1 pub and 1 night club on top of national closures.

A lot more could be done and to even suggest the park has turned around the city centre into a trading hot bed of activity as some have suggested is far from the truth.
[quote][p][bold]Mr Bradford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clowny[/bold] wrote: Don't act so smart my question was about the original Game stores, Gamestation closed down for the rebranding. There are examples I could point out like T J Hughes which saved branches in other cities. Many of the smaller shops, plus some pubs and clubs, have already closed, without an article in this paper.[/p][/quote]You mentioned nothing about original Game stores originally. Bradford still has a Game store. end of. In Halifax both Game and Gamestation have closed down, whith signs in the window saying the nearest one is in Bradford. Many peacocks have closed down, but there's still one in Bradford.[/p][/quote]According to the Game's website they changed the Southgate Gamestation to a Game in Halifax like they did in Bradford, unless you're saying that has closed down since? The fact remains in the last 3-6 months the city centre has lost some independent retailers, at least 1 pub and 1 night club on top of national closures. A lot more could be done and to even suggest the park has turned around the city centre into a trading hot bed of activity as some have suggested is far from the truth. Clowny
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8:50am Mon 21 Jan 13

Mr Bradford says...

Clowny wrote:
Mr Bradford wrote:
Clowny wrote: Don't act so smart my question was about the original Game stores, Gamestation closed down for the rebranding. There are examples I could point out like T J Hughes which saved branches in other cities. Many of the smaller shops, plus some pubs and clubs, have already closed, without an article in this paper.
You mentioned nothing about original Game stores originally. Bradford still has a Game store. end of. In Halifax both Game and Gamestation have closed down, whith signs in the window saying the nearest one is in Bradford. Many peacocks have closed down, but there's still one in Bradford.
According to the Game's website they changed the Southgate Gamestation to a Game in Halifax like they did in Bradford, unless you're saying that has closed down since? The fact remains in the last 3-6 months the city centre has lost some independent retailers, at least 1 pub and 1 night club on top of national closures. A lot more could be done and to even suggest the park has turned around the city centre into a trading hot bed of activity as some have suggested is far from the truth.
"The fact remains in the last 3-6 months the city centre has lost some independent retailers, at least 1 pub and 1 night club on top of national closures."

So has most other cities!! independent retailers are dropping at a faster rate than national ones!

A lovely new independent resturaunt has opened in City Park in the last few months, and similer shops to Hand Made in Bradford are to be opening on Market Street/Broadway... these are better than most of the things Bradford has lost in the last few months in my opinion.
[quote][p][bold]Clowny[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Bradford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clowny[/bold] wrote: Don't act so smart my question was about the original Game stores, Gamestation closed down for the rebranding. There are examples I could point out like T J Hughes which saved branches in other cities. Many of the smaller shops, plus some pubs and clubs, have already closed, without an article in this paper.[/p][/quote]You mentioned nothing about original Game stores originally. Bradford still has a Game store. end of. In Halifax both Game and Gamestation have closed down, whith signs in the window saying the nearest one is in Bradford. Many peacocks have closed down, but there's still one in Bradford.[/p][/quote]According to the Game's website they changed the Southgate Gamestation to a Game in Halifax like they did in Bradford, unless you're saying that has closed down since? The fact remains in the last 3-6 months the city centre has lost some independent retailers, at least 1 pub and 1 night club on top of national closures. A lot more could be done and to even suggest the park has turned around the city centre into a trading hot bed of activity as some have suggested is far from the truth.[/p][/quote]"The fact remains in the last 3-6 months the city centre has lost some independent retailers, at least 1 pub and 1 night club on top of national closures." So has most other cities!! independent retailers are dropping at a faster rate than national ones! A lovely new independent resturaunt has opened in City Park in the last few months, and similer shops to Hand Made in Bradford are to be opening on Market Street/Broadway... these are better than most of the things Bradford has lost in the last few months in my opinion. Mr Bradford
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9:01am Mon 21 Jan 13

Mr Bradford says...

Clowny wrote:
Mr Bradford wrote: Things could be a lot worse. There's only one empty unit in the Kirkgate centre - that's rare for a shopping centre these days. And there's only the Comet unit empty at Forster Square. Both of these shopping destinations always seem to be busy and the Kirkgate centre is enjoying increased numbers of footfall. This proves a lot of people still shop in Bradford, despite what you want to believe.....
The Kirkgate's website has 7 shops listed empty, with a further 2 also empty but with potential offers.
That's inaccurate. The only empty unit inside the Kirkgate centre is the rather small former Card Factory one - after they moved into the much larger former Clintons unit.
There's the former Dollond & Aitchison unit outside which has been given a face lift and looks much better now. I'll be surprised if that remains empty for much longer.
[quote][p][bold]Clowny[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Bradford[/bold] wrote: Things could be a lot worse. There's only one empty unit in the Kirkgate centre - that's rare for a shopping centre these days. And there's only the Comet unit empty at Forster Square. Both of these shopping destinations always seem to be busy and the Kirkgate centre is enjoying increased numbers of footfall. This proves a lot of people still shop in Bradford, despite what you want to believe.....[/p][/quote]The Kirkgate's website has 7 shops listed empty, with a further 2 also empty but with potential offers.[/p][/quote]That's inaccurate. The only empty unit inside the Kirkgate centre is the rather small former Card Factory one - after they moved into the much larger former Clintons unit. There's the former Dollond & Aitchison unit outside which has been given a face lift and looks much better now. I'll be surprised if that remains empty for much longer. Mr Bradford
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10:40am Mon 21 Jan 13

Pondlover says...

I take heart from the amount of posters who genuinely care about Bradford.

Retail might not be the future, it probably isn't, so any cultural, leisure or sporting suggestions are interesting to me.

To go forward though, people need to accept reality. Bradford is not ok, getting better, hanging in there, increasing foot fall and there is not one shred of evidence or government stats to support that, it is utter nonsense, mostly from bcfc 1903.nonsense.

Bradford's retail is suffering a very long term and accelerating decline, it is very nearly finished. Anybody over 40 years of age can quite clearly see that. Anybody who eyes are deceiving them need only look through our own councils report to find all the evidence you need..........

http://www.investinb
radford.com/Resource
s/Invest%20In%20Brad
ford/Bradford%20Econ
omy/Documents/Bradfo
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gust_2011.pdf.
I take heart from the amount of posters who genuinely care about Bradford. Retail might not be the future, it probably isn't, so any cultural, leisure or sporting suggestions are interesting to me. To go forward though, people need to accept reality. Bradford is not ok, getting better, hanging in there, increasing foot fall and there is not one shred of evidence or government stats to support that, it is utter nonsense, mostly from bcfc 1903.nonsense. Bradford's retail is suffering a very long term and accelerating decline, it is very nearly finished. Anybody over 40 years of age can quite clearly see that. Anybody who eyes are deceiving them need only look through our own councils report to find all the evidence you need.......... http://www.investinb radford.com/Resource s/Invest%20In%20Brad ford/Bradford%20Econ omy/Documents/Bradfo rd_District_Quarterl y_Economic_Update_Au gust_2011.pdf. Pondlover
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1:05pm Mon 21 Jan 13

Mr Bradford says...

Pondlover wrote:
I take heart from the amount of posters who genuinely care about Bradford. Retail might not be the future, it probably isn't, so any cultural, leisure or sporting suggestions are interesting to me. To go forward though, people need to accept reality. Bradford is not ok, getting better, hanging in there, increasing foot fall and there is not one shred of evidence or government stats to support that, it is utter nonsense, mostly from bcfc 1903.nonsense. Bradford's retail is suffering a very long term and accelerating decline, it is very nearly finished. Anybody over 40 years of age can quite clearly see that. Anybody who eyes are deceiving them need only look through our own councils report to find all the evidence you need.......... http://www.investinb radford.com/Resource s/Invest%20In%20Brad ford/Bradford%20Econ omy/Documents/Bradfo rd_District_Quarterl y_Economic_Update_Au gust_2011.pdf.
That report is from August 2011.

There has been an increase of footfall in the Kirkgate centre since City Park opened last year. This was confirmed by the shopping centres manager - but she got branded a liar because it was not what some people wanted to hear - which was quite embarrassing to read!

The footfall figures in that report only include certain areas of the city centre. It does not include Forster Square shopping park, Centenary Square, or around the Alhambra/Media Museum... obviously the figures would be much higher if these places were included.

Tthe figures do however include Broadway... and obviously you'd expect a huge drop of footfall compared to over 10 years ago due to most of it not being there anymore!

Anyway, there was some promissing bits in that report.
"Bradford ranks joint 6th highest in Yorkshire and the Humber by retail
expenditure at £470 million. However, Bradford had the second highest increase in retail expenditure
between 2008 and 2010 of the top ten retail centres across Yorkshire and the Humber, both in
percentage terms and absolute numbers. This suggests the city centre has been resilient in the face
of recession."

So that means there's more money being spent in Bradford city centre than Harrogate, Wakefield, Doncaster and Halifax... that goes agains twhat a lot of people on these pages have said.... (lol).
[quote][p][bold]Pondlover[/bold] wrote: I take heart from the amount of posters who genuinely care about Bradford. Retail might not be the future, it probably isn't, so any cultural, leisure or sporting suggestions are interesting to me. To go forward though, people need to accept reality. Bradford is not ok, getting better, hanging in there, increasing foot fall and there is not one shred of evidence or government stats to support that, it is utter nonsense, mostly from bcfc 1903.nonsense. Bradford's retail is suffering a very long term and accelerating decline, it is very nearly finished. Anybody over 40 years of age can quite clearly see that. Anybody who eyes are deceiving them need only look through our own councils report to find all the evidence you need.......... http://www.investinb radford.com/Resource s/Invest%20In%20Brad ford/Bradford%20Econ omy/Documents/Bradfo rd_District_Quarterl y_Economic_Update_Au gust_2011.pdf.[/p][/quote]That report is from August 2011. There has been an increase of footfall in the Kirkgate centre since City Park opened last year. This was confirmed by the shopping centres manager - but she got branded a liar because it was not what some people wanted to hear - which was quite embarrassing to read! The footfall figures in that report only include certain areas of the city centre. It does not include Forster Square shopping park, Centenary Square, or around the Alhambra/Media Museum... obviously the figures would be much higher if these places were included. Tthe figures do however include Broadway... and obviously you'd expect a huge drop of footfall compared to over 10 years ago due to most of it not being there anymore! Anyway, there was some promissing bits in that report. "Bradford ranks joint 6th highest in Yorkshire and the Humber by retail expenditure at £470 million. However, Bradford had the second highest increase in retail expenditure between 2008 and 2010 of the top ten retail centres across Yorkshire and the Humber, both in percentage terms and absolute numbers. This suggests the city centre has been resilient in the face of recession." So that means there's more money being spent in Bradford city centre than Harrogate, Wakefield, Doncaster and Halifax... that goes agains twhat a lot of people on these pages have said.... (lol). Mr Bradford
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2:23pm Mon 21 Jan 13

Pondlover says...

How up to date do you want a detailed report? It's 16 months old and you will be in an extremely small minority if you think footfall has increased from then, to today.

Those old enough to remember the 70's & '80's will realise the report is of a recent decline, from 1999, after the relentless decades long previous decline.

It's an indisputable decades long, linear and inexorable retail decline.

What's the answer? I don't know but enough people care about Bradford and it's centre to use it, if there was a reason to use it and not use another. Seeing shops close and footfall drop, year after year, but saying it is not really happening, simply won't help, enough do this to delay any meaningful forward and future progress.
How up to date do you want a detailed report? It's 16 months old and you will be in an extremely small minority if you think footfall has increased from then, to today. Those old enough to remember the 70's & '80's will realise the report is of a recent decline, from 1999, after the relentless decades long previous decline. It's an indisputable decades long, linear and inexorable retail decline. What's the answer? I don't know but enough people care about Bradford and it's centre to use it, if there was a reason to use it and not use another. Seeing shops close and footfall drop, year after year, but saying it is not really happening, simply won't help, enough do this to delay any meaningful forward and future progress. Pondlover
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2:29pm Mon 21 Jan 13

Pondlover says...

Mr Bradford, I should have said..............I don't believe Bradford center is full of drunks and pound shops and has no hope, far from it. But your attitude is just as daft as those who spout the above.

There is a middle ground where sense reigns, too many talk it down but some just don't want to aknowledge the truth.
Mr Bradford, I should have said..............I don't believe Bradford center is full of drunks and pound shops and has no hope, far from it. But your attitude is just as daft as those who spout the above. There is a middle ground where sense reigns, too many talk it down but some just don't want to aknowledge the truth. Pondlover
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3:24pm Mon 21 Jan 13

Mr Bradford says...

Pondlover wrote:
Mr Bradford, I should have said..............I don't believe Bradford center is full of drunks and pound shops and has no hope, far from it. But your attitude is just as daft as those who spout the above. There is a middle ground where sense reigns, too many talk it down but some just don't want to aknowledge the truth.
I think it's more daft comparing Bradford now to Bradford in the 70's and 80's when (some people go even further back), when trends are so much differant now.
There used to be more independant department and higher quality stores in most towns and cities back then, and less people had cars so footfall will have been a lot higher in most places compared to today.

I remember Bradford in the 80's and 90's. I remeber coming into the city and being greated by wasteland and dereliction - which is now Forster Square shopping park.
I also remeber a hugh ugly concreat eyesore in the heart of the city, and a main road right in front of city hall - now Centenary Square/City Park and the banana building.

Although there were a few better quality shops back then, overall Bradford was more of a dump in my opinion.
[quote][p][bold]Pondlover[/bold] wrote: Mr Bradford, I should have said..............I don't believe Bradford center is full of drunks and pound shops and has no hope, far from it. But your attitude is just as daft as those who spout the above. There is a middle ground where sense reigns, too many talk it down but some just don't want to aknowledge the truth.[/p][/quote]I think it's more daft comparing Bradford now to Bradford in the 70's and 80's when (some people go even further back), when trends are so much differant now. There used to be more independant department and higher quality stores in most towns and cities back then, and less people had cars so footfall will have been a lot higher in most places compared to today. I remember Bradford in the 80's and 90's. I remeber coming into the city and being greated by wasteland and dereliction - which is now Forster Square shopping park. I also remeber a hugh ugly concreat eyesore in the heart of the city, and a main road right in front of city hall - now Centenary Square/City Park and the banana building. Although there were a few better quality shops back then, overall Bradford was more of a dump in my opinion. Mr Bradford
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3:42pm Mon 21 Jan 13

Andy2010 says...

Mr Bradford wrote:
Pondlover wrote:
I take heart from the amount of posters who genuinely care about Bradford. Retail might not be the future, it probably isn't, so any cultural, leisure or sporting suggestions are interesting to me. To go forward though, people need to accept reality. Bradford is not ok, getting better, hanging in there, increasing foot fall and there is not one shred of evidence or government stats to support that, it is utter nonsense, mostly from bcfc 1903.nonsense. Bradford's retail is suffering a very long term and accelerating decline, it is very nearly finished. Anybody over 40 years of age can quite clearly see that. Anybody who eyes are deceiving them need only look through our own councils report to find all the evidence you need.......... http://www.investinb radford.com/Resource s/Invest%20In%20Brad ford/Bradford%20Econ omy/Documents/Bradfo rd_District_Quarterl y_Economic_Update_Au gust_2011.pdf.
That report is from August 2011.

There has been an increase of footfall in the Kirkgate centre since City Park opened last year. This was confirmed by the shopping centres manager - but she got branded a liar because it was not what some people wanted to hear - which was quite embarrassing to read!

The footfall figures in that report only include certain areas of the city centre. It does not include Forster Square shopping park, Centenary Square, or around the Alhambra/Media Museum... obviously the figures would be much higher if these places were included.

Tthe figures do however include Broadway... and obviously you'd expect a huge drop of footfall compared to over 10 years ago due to most of it not being there anymore!

Anyway, there was some promissing bits in that report.
"Bradford ranks joint 6th highest in Yorkshire and the Humber by retail
expenditure at £470 million. However, Bradford had the second highest increase in retail expenditure
between 2008 and 2010 of the top ten retail centres across Yorkshire and the Humber, both in
percentage terms and absolute numbers. This suggests the city centre has been resilient in the face
of recession."

So that means there's more money being spent in Bradford city centre than Harrogate, Wakefield, Doncaster and Halifax... that goes agains twhat a lot of people on these pages have said.... (lol).
If theres one thing Ive learnt over the years about "reports" (I know because I write a lot of them) is you can change the figures to show exactly what the recipient wants to here without actually changing the findings

The truth behind this matter is quite simple. Stand in Kirkgate for 1/2 hour on a Saturday then stand at the White Rose for half an hour the Saturday after...If you cant notice a difference then you are stupid. Bradford City Centre is not only dead but its long gone
[quote][p][bold]Mr Bradford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pondlover[/bold] wrote: I take heart from the amount of posters who genuinely care about Bradford. Retail might not be the future, it probably isn't, so any cultural, leisure or sporting suggestions are interesting to me. To go forward though, people need to accept reality. Bradford is not ok, getting better, hanging in there, increasing foot fall and there is not one shred of evidence or government stats to support that, it is utter nonsense, mostly from bcfc 1903.nonsense. Bradford's retail is suffering a very long term and accelerating decline, it is very nearly finished. Anybody over 40 years of age can quite clearly see that. Anybody who eyes are deceiving them need only look through our own councils report to find all the evidence you need.......... http://www.investinb radford.com/Resource s/Invest%20In%20Brad ford/Bradford%20Econ omy/Documents/Bradfo rd_District_Quarterl y_Economic_Update_Au gust_2011.pdf.[/p][/quote]That report is from August 2011. There has been an increase of footfall in the Kirkgate centre since City Park opened last year. This was confirmed by the shopping centres manager - but she got branded a liar because it was not what some people wanted to hear - which was quite embarrassing to read! The footfall figures in that report only include certain areas of the city centre. It does not include Forster Square shopping park, Centenary Square, or around the Alhambra/Media Museum... obviously the figures would be much higher if these places were included. Tthe figures do however include Broadway... and obviously you'd expect a huge drop of footfall compared to over 10 years ago due to most of it not being there anymore! Anyway, there was some promissing bits in that report. "Bradford ranks joint 6th highest in Yorkshire and the Humber by retail expenditure at £470 million. However, Bradford had the second highest increase in retail expenditure between 2008 and 2010 of the top ten retail centres across Yorkshire and the Humber, both in percentage terms and absolute numbers. This suggests the city centre has been resilient in the face of recession." So that means there's more money being spent in Bradford city centre than Harrogate, Wakefield, Doncaster and Halifax... that goes agains twhat a lot of people on these pages have said.... (lol).[/p][/quote]If theres one thing Ive learnt over the years about "reports" (I know because I write a lot of them) is you can change the figures to show exactly what the recipient wants to here without actually changing the findings The truth behind this matter is quite simple. Stand in Kirkgate for 1/2 hour on a Saturday then stand at the White Rose for half an hour the Saturday after...If you cant notice a difference then you are stupid. Bradford City Centre is not only dead but its long gone Andy2010
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5:05pm Mon 21 Jan 13

alfucham says...

Albion. wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote: It's odd that Starbucks in Waterstones is closing as it's always doing good business....more sinister goings on in Bradford along with Sunwin House closing a few years ago when it was making a large year on year trading profit. Gutted..Starbucks/Wa terstones... our favourite place for a coffee after the wife spends a load of cash in Bradford city centre shops. Simply cannot understand some shops such as the two i mentioned closing when quite obviously footfall has increased greatly in Bradford city centre over the last three years.
Well it all goes to prove what nonsense you have been churning out for the last few months, you might stop disregarding the opinions of others who disagree with you now.
here here.

And no I dont drink.

At All
[quote][p][bold]Albion.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: It's odd that Starbucks in Waterstones is closing as it's always doing good business....more sinister goings on in Bradford along with Sunwin House closing a few years ago when it was making a large year on year trading profit. Gutted..Starbucks/Wa terstones... our favourite place for a coffee after the wife spends a load of cash in Bradford city centre shops. Simply cannot understand some shops such as the two i mentioned closing when quite obviously footfall has increased greatly in Bradford city centre over the last three years.[/p][/quote]Well it all goes to prove what nonsense you have been churning out for the last few months, you might stop disregarding the opinions of others who disagree with you now.[/p][/quote]here here. And no I dont drink. At All alfucham
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5:11pm Mon 21 Jan 13

Pondlover says...

Thought we might have a meaningful discussion Mr Bradford, obviously not. I have no idea how you come to the conclusion that a quieter centre with far less shops, far less choice and crucially, far less customers, is somehow better?

Tbh I am not sure the 70's concrete high rise is any worse than the banana, which looks like it should be in Shipley market place...... circa 1955. The banana is not even half let is it? Not by "real" businesses anyway?

Like I said, the people running the centre down and the people refusing to accept reality are as bad as each other.
Thought we might have a meaningful discussion Mr Bradford, obviously not. I have no idea how you come to the conclusion that a quieter centre with far less shops, far less choice and crucially, far less customers, is somehow better? Tbh I am not sure the 70's concrete high rise is any worse than the banana, which looks like it should be in Shipley market place...... circa 1955. The banana is not even half let is it? Not by "real" businesses anyway? Like I said, the people running the centre down and the people refusing to accept reality are as bad as each other. Pondlover
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5:14pm Mon 21 Jan 13

alfucham says...

tyker2 wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote: LOL...that should have been tyker2 who's the buffon....
is that some sort of hairstyle:if you are throwing insults around at least get it right: you BUFFOON
Ha Ha

Yes lets all gang up on this pompous living in the past nob.

Keep playing your Delius dear !903.

Probably the year he was born.

A dreamer of epic proportions who will not now be able to wake up and smell the coffee.

RIP Starbuck
[quote][p][bold]tyker2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: LOL...that should have been tyker2 who's the buffon....[/p][/quote]is that some sort of hairstyle:if you are throwing insults around at least get it right: you BUFFOON[/p][/quote]Ha Ha Yes lets all gang up on this pompous living in the past nob. Keep playing your Delius dear !903. Probably the year he was born. A dreamer of epic proportions who will not now be able to wake up and smell the coffee. RIP Starbuck alfucham
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6:00pm Mon 21 Jan 13

alfucham says...

Are Mr Bradford and BCFC 1903 related?

The majority see it for what it is.

A dump frequented by scum that do nothing to encourage the likes of our mums and dads to return even if retailers were there in abundance.

So the economy retail was worth £400 plus million last year.

A couple of weeks ago this paper reported the betting industry turnover last year at........£400 million.

So all the drug dealing crime rich scum put mor in Phillip Davies pet industry coffers than normal shoppers do ijn all the retail outlets put together.

Says it all really.

what a s***ole its become.

Why not make Starbucks a methodone bar?

And Brown Muffs a whorehouse.
There seem to be more East European and other delightfull scum practically jumping in front of your car for trade these days.

At least the whore house has a ready made name.

Brown Muffs.

that"ll do nicely.

I"ll have the one in the funny window.

If its still there.

Ten bob down and ten bob when I pick up my winnings
Are Mr Bradford and BCFC 1903 related? The majority see it for what it is. A dump frequented by scum that do nothing to encourage the likes of our mums and dads to return even if retailers were there in abundance. So the economy retail was worth £400 plus million last year. A couple of weeks ago this paper reported the betting industry turnover last year at........£400 million. So all the drug dealing crime rich scum put mor in Phillip Davies pet industry coffers than normal shoppers do ijn all the retail outlets put together. Says it all really. what a s***ole its become. Why not make Starbucks a methodone bar? And Brown Muffs a whorehouse. There seem to be more East European and other delightfull scum practically jumping in front of your car for trade these days. At least the whore house has a ready made name. Brown Muffs. that"ll do nicely. I"ll have the one in the funny window. If its still there. Ten bob down and ten bob when I pick up my winnings alfucham
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6:15pm Mon 21 Jan 13

C.T.I.D says...

Andy2010 wrote:
Mr Bradford wrote:
Pondlover wrote:
I take heart from the amount of posters who genuinely care about Bradford. Retail might not be the future, it probably isn't, so any cultural, leisure or sporting suggestions are interesting to me. To go forward though, people need to accept reality. Bradford is not ok, getting better, hanging in there, increasing foot fall and there is not one shred of evidence or government stats to support that, it is utter nonsense, mostly from bcfc 1903.nonsense. Bradford's retail is suffering a very long term and accelerating decline, it is very nearly finished. Anybody over 40 years of age can quite clearly see that. Anybody who eyes are deceiving them need only look through our own councils report to find all the evidence you need.......... http://www.investinb radford.com/Resource s/Invest%20In%20Brad ford/Bradford%20Econ omy/Documents/Bradfo rd_District_Quarterl y_Economic_Update_Au gust_2011.pdf.
That report is from August 2011.

There has been an increase of footfall in the Kirkgate centre since City Park opened last year. This was confirmed by the shopping centres manager - but she got branded a liar because it was not what some people wanted to hear - which was quite embarrassing to read!

The footfall figures in that report only include certain areas of the city centre. It does not include Forster Square shopping park, Centenary Square, or around the Alhambra/Media Museum... obviously the figures would be much higher if these places were included.

Tthe figures do however include Broadway... and obviously you'd expect a huge drop of footfall compared to over 10 years ago due to most of it not being there anymore!

Anyway, there was some promissing bits in that report.
"Bradford ranks joint 6th highest in Yorkshire and the Humber by retail
expenditure at £470 million. However, Bradford had the second highest increase in retail expenditure
between 2008 and 2010 of the top ten retail centres across Yorkshire and the Humber, both in
percentage terms and absolute numbers. This suggests the city centre has been resilient in the face
of recession."

So that means there's more money being spent in Bradford city centre than Harrogate, Wakefield, Doncaster and Halifax... that goes agains twhat a lot of people on these pages have said.... (lol).
If theres one thing Ive learnt over the years about "reports" (I know because I write a lot of them) is you can change the figures to show exactly what the recipient wants to here without actually changing the findings

The truth behind this matter is quite simple. Stand in Kirkgate for 1/2 hour on a Saturday then stand at the White Rose for half an hour the Saturday after...If you cant notice a difference then you are stupid. Bradford City Centre is not only dead but its long gone
comparing the kirkgate centre to white rose isn't exactly fair.
i was in wakefield last week and the ridings was dead. the new shopping area wasn't exactly heaving either.
and the whole city was full of chavs. i wish i didn't bother going!

stopped off at forster square on the way back. that was much busier!
[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Bradford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pondlover[/bold] wrote: I take heart from the amount of posters who genuinely care about Bradford. Retail might not be the future, it probably isn't, so any cultural, leisure or sporting suggestions are interesting to me. To go forward though, people need to accept reality. Bradford is not ok, getting better, hanging in there, increasing foot fall and there is not one shred of evidence or government stats to support that, it is utter nonsense, mostly from bcfc 1903.nonsense. Bradford's retail is suffering a very long term and accelerating decline, it is very nearly finished. Anybody over 40 years of age can quite clearly see that. Anybody who eyes are deceiving them need only look through our own councils report to find all the evidence you need.......... http://www.investinb radford.com/Resource s/Invest%20In%20Brad ford/Bradford%20Econ omy/Documents/Bradfo rd_District_Quarterl y_Economic_Update_Au gust_2011.pdf.[/p][/quote]That report is from August 2011. There has been an increase of footfall in the Kirkgate centre since City Park opened last year. This was confirmed by the shopping centres manager - but she got branded a liar because it was not what some people wanted to hear - which was quite embarrassing to read! The footfall figures in that report only include certain areas of the city centre. It does not include Forster Square shopping park, Centenary Square, or around the Alhambra/Media Museum... obviously the figures would be much higher if these places were included. Tthe figures do however include Broadway... and obviously you'd expect a huge drop of footfall compared to over 10 years ago due to most of it not being there anymore! Anyway, there was some promissing bits in that report. "Bradford ranks joint 6th highest in Yorkshire and the Humber by retail expenditure at £470 million. However, Bradford had the second highest increase in retail expenditure between 2008 and 2010 of the top ten retail centres across Yorkshire and the Humber, both in percentage terms and absolute numbers. This suggests the city centre has been resilient in the face of recession." So that means there's more money being spent in Bradford city centre than Harrogate, Wakefield, Doncaster and Halifax... that goes agains twhat a lot of people on these pages have said.... (lol).[/p][/quote]If theres one thing Ive learnt over the years about "reports" (I know because I write a lot of them) is you can change the figures to show exactly what the recipient wants to here without actually changing the findings The truth behind this matter is quite simple. Stand in Kirkgate for 1/2 hour on a Saturday then stand at the White Rose for half an hour the Saturday after...If you cant notice a difference then you are stupid. Bradford City Centre is not only dead but its long gone[/p][/quote]comparing the kirkgate centre to white rose isn't exactly fair. i was in wakefield last week and the ridings was dead. the new shopping area wasn't exactly heaving either. and the whole city was full of chavs. i wish i didn't bother going! stopped off at forster square on the way back. that was much busier! C.T.I.D
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6:46pm Mon 21 Jan 13

bcfc1903 says...

alfucham wrote:
tyker2 wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote: LOL...that should have been tyker2 who's the buffon....
is that some sort of hairstyle:if you are throwing insults around at least get it right: you BUFFOON
Ha Ha

Yes lets all gang up on this pompous living in the past nob.

Keep playing your Delius dear !903.

Probably the year he was born.

A dreamer of epic proportions who will not now be able to wake up and smell the coffee.

RIP Starbuck
Don't be a cu*t all your life alf...take a day off...looks like your 'gang' is one strong lol lol....i'm sure while i'm spending another Sh*t load of money in Bradford city centre i'll be getting a cup of coffee at another Bradford coffee house...read it and weep saddo!!!!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]alfucham[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tyker2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: LOL...that should have been tyker2 who's the buffon....[/p][/quote]is that some sort of hairstyle:if you are throwing insults around at least get it right: you BUFFOON[/p][/quote]Ha Ha Yes lets all gang up on this pompous living in the past nob. Keep playing your Delius dear !903. Probably the year he was born. A dreamer of epic proportions who will not now be able to wake up and smell the coffee. RIP Starbuck[/p][/quote]Don't be a cu*t all your life alf...take a day off...looks like your 'gang' is one strong lol lol....i'm sure while i'm spending another Sh*t load of money in Bradford city centre i'll be getting a cup of coffee at another Bradford coffee house...read it and weep saddo!!!!!!!! bcfc1903
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7:04pm Mon 21 Jan 13

bcfc1903 says...

alfucham wrote:
Are Mr Bradford and BCFC 1903 related?

The majority see it for what it is.

A dump frequented by scum that do nothing to encourage the likes of our mums and dads to return even if retailers were there in abundance.

So the economy retail was worth £400 plus million last year.

A couple of weeks ago this paper reported the betting industry turnover last year at........£400 million.

So all the drug dealing crime rich scum put mor in Phillip Davies pet industry coffers than normal shoppers do ijn all the retail outlets put together.

Says it all really.

what a s***ole its become.

Why not make Starbucks a methodone bar?

And Brown Muffs a whorehouse.
There seem to be more East European and other delightfull scum practically jumping in front of your car for trade these days.

At least the whore house has a ready made name.

Brown Muffs.

that"ll do nicely.

I"ll have the one in the funny window.

If its still there.

Ten bob down and ten bob when I pick up my winnings
Alf...Alf Alf tut tut..Surely if it was just frequented by scum..you'd be an expert on those folk would you?...let me turn your ludicrous assumption around...are YOU related to any of the other cranks on here who do nothing but spout untruths and total exaggerations regard the folk who shop in Bradford city centre...the city centres imminent death and all the other complete tosh rolled out...take my mother for instance...she's 85 but still get's her hair done in Bradford city centre ...coming all the way from Sutton in Craven....there is a very unsavory tone to your posts....
[quote][p][bold]alfucham[/bold] wrote: Are Mr Bradford and BCFC 1903 related? The majority see it for what it is. A dump frequented by scum that do nothing to encourage the likes of our mums and dads to return even if retailers were there in abundance. So the economy retail was worth £400 plus million last year. A couple of weeks ago this paper reported the betting industry turnover last year at........£400 million. So all the drug dealing crime rich scum put mor in Phillip Davies pet industry coffers than normal shoppers do ijn all the retail outlets put together. Says it all really. what a s***ole its become. Why not make Starbucks a methodone bar? And Brown Muffs a whorehouse. There seem to be more East European and other delightfull scum practically jumping in front of your car for trade these days. At least the whore house has a ready made name. Brown Muffs. that"ll do nicely. I"ll have the one in the funny window. If its still there. Ten bob down and ten bob when I pick up my winnings[/p][/quote]Alf...Alf Alf tut tut..Surely if it was just frequented by scum..you'd be an expert on those folk would you?...let me turn your ludicrous assumption around...are YOU related to any of the other cranks on here who do nothing but spout untruths and total exaggerations regard the folk who shop in Bradford city centre...the city centres imminent death and all the other complete tosh rolled out...take my mother for instance...she's 85 but still get's her hair done in Bradford city centre ...coming all the way from Sutton in Craven....there is a very unsavory tone to your posts.... bcfc1903
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7:10pm Mon 21 Jan 13

bcfc1903 says...

Mr Bradford wrote:
Pondlover wrote:
I take heart from the amount of posters who genuinely care about Bradford. Retail might not be the future, it probably isn't, so any cultural, leisure or sporting suggestions are interesting to me. To go forward though, people need to accept reality. Bradford is not ok, getting better, hanging in there, increasing foot fall and there is not one shred of evidence or government stats to support that, it is utter nonsense, mostly from bcfc 1903.nonsense. Bradford's retail is suffering a very long term and accelerating decline, it is very nearly finished. Anybody over 40 years of age can quite clearly see that. Anybody who eyes are deceiving them need only look through our own councils report to find all the evidence you need.......... http://www.investinb radford.com/Resource s/Invest%20In%20Brad ford/Bradford%20Econ omy/Documents/Bradfo rd_District_Quarterl y_Economic_Update_Au gust_2011.pdf.
That report is from August 2011.

There has been an increase of footfall in the Kirkgate centre since City Park opened last year. This was confirmed by the shopping centres manager - but she got branded a liar because it was not what some people wanted to hear - which was quite embarrassing to read!

The footfall figures in that report only include certain areas of the city centre. It does not include Forster Square shopping park, Centenary Square, or around the Alhambra/Media Museum... obviously the figures would be much higher if these places were included.

Tthe figures do however include Broadway... and obviously you'd expect a huge drop of footfall compared to over 10 years ago due to most of it not being there anymore!

Anyway, there was some promissing bits in that report.
"Bradford ranks joint 6th highest in Yorkshire and the Humber by retail
expenditure at £470 million. However, Bradford had the second highest increase in retail expenditure
between 2008 and 2010 of the top ten retail centres across Yorkshire and the Humber, both in
percentage terms and absolute numbers. This suggests the city centre has been resilient in the face
of recession."

So that means there's more money being spent in Bradford city centre than Harrogate, Wakefield, Doncaster and Halifax... that goes agains twhat a lot of people on these pages have said.... (lol).
Some intersting FACTS about Bradford city centre there Mr Bradford.....having always shopped there, I've certainly noticed a large increase in footfall over the last three years...but the last 18 months the increase has been far more significant.
[quote][p][bold]Mr Bradford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pondlover[/bold] wrote: I take heart from the amount of posters who genuinely care about Bradford. Retail might not be the future, it probably isn't, so any cultural, leisure or sporting suggestions are interesting to me. To go forward though, people need to accept reality. Bradford is not ok, getting better, hanging in there, increasing foot fall and there is not one shred of evidence or government stats to support that, it is utter nonsense, mostly from bcfc 1903.nonsense. Bradford's retail is suffering a very long term and accelerating decline, it is very nearly finished. Anybody over 40 years of age can quite clearly see that. Anybody who eyes are deceiving them need only look through our own councils report to find all the evidence you need.......... http://www.investinb radford.com/Resource s/Invest%20In%20Brad ford/Bradford%20Econ omy/Documents/Bradfo rd_District_Quarterl y_Economic_Update_Au gust_2011.pdf.[/p][/quote]That report is from August 2011. There has been an increase of footfall in the Kirkgate centre since City Park opened last year. This was confirmed by the shopping centres manager - but she got branded a liar because it was not what some people wanted to hear - which was quite embarrassing to read! The footfall figures in that report only include certain areas of the city centre. It does not include Forster Square shopping park, Centenary Square, or around the Alhambra/Media Museum... obviously the figures would be much higher if these places were included. Tthe figures do however include Broadway... and obviously you'd expect a huge drop of footfall compared to over 10 years ago due to most of it not being there anymore! Anyway, there was some promissing bits in that report. "Bradford ranks joint 6th highest in Yorkshire and the Humber by retail expenditure at £470 million. However, Bradford had the second highest increase in retail expenditure between 2008 and 2010 of the top ten retail centres across Yorkshire and the Humber, both in percentage terms and absolute numbers. This suggests the city centre has been resilient in the face of recession." So that means there's more money being spent in Bradford city centre than Harrogate, Wakefield, Doncaster and Halifax... that goes agains twhat a lot of people on these pages have said.... (lol).[/p][/quote]Some intersting FACTS about Bradford city centre there Mr Bradford.....having always shopped there, I've certainly noticed a large increase in footfall over the last three years...but the last 18 months the increase has been far more significant. bcfc1903
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7:25pm Mon 21 Jan 13

alfucham says...

bcfc1903 wrote:
alfucham wrote: Are Mr Bradford and BCFC 1903 related? The majority see it for what it is. A dump frequented by scum that do nothing to encourage the likes of our mums and dads to return even if retailers were there in abundance. So the economy retail was worth £400 plus million last year. A couple of weeks ago this paper reported the betting industry turnover last year at........£400 million. So all the drug dealing crime rich scum put mor in Phillip Davies pet industry coffers than normal shoppers do ijn all the retail outlets put together. Says it all really. what a s***ole its become. Why not make Starbucks a methodone bar? And Brown Muffs a whorehouse. There seem to be more East European and other delightfull scum practically jumping in front of your car for trade these days. At least the whore house has a ready made name. Brown Muffs. that"ll do nicely. I"ll have the one in the funny window. If its still there. Ten bob down and ten bob when I pick up my winnings
Alf...Alf Alf tut tut..Surely if it was just frequented by scum..you'd be an expert on those folk would you?...let me turn your ludicrous assumption around...are YOU related to any of the other cranks on here who do nothing but spout untruths and total exaggerations regard the folk who shop in Bradford city centre...the city centres imminent death and all the other complete tosh rolled out...take my mother for instance...she's 85 but still get's her hair done in Bradford city centre ...coming all the way from Sutton in Craven....there is a very unsavory tone to your posts....
Its called cynicism.

you started it and I"ll finish it Oh Mighty one slagging everyone as bufoons and other choice language.

When all they comment is wehat they see.

The truth.

as to how far the place has fallen from grace.
[quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alfucham[/bold] wrote: Are Mr Bradford and BCFC 1903 related? The majority see it for what it is. A dump frequented by scum that do nothing to encourage the likes of our mums and dads to return even if retailers were there in abundance. So the economy retail was worth £400 plus million last year. A couple of weeks ago this paper reported the betting industry turnover last year at........£400 million. So all the drug dealing crime rich scum put mor in Phillip Davies pet industry coffers than normal shoppers do ijn all the retail outlets put together. Says it all really. what a s***ole its become. Why not make Starbucks a methodone bar? And Brown Muffs a whorehouse. There seem to be more East European and other delightfull scum practically jumping in front of your car for trade these days. At least the whore house has a ready made name. Brown Muffs. that"ll do nicely. I"ll have the one in the funny window. If its still there. Ten bob down and ten bob when I pick up my winnings[/p][/quote]Alf...Alf Alf tut tut..Surely if it was just frequented by scum..you'd be an expert on those folk would you?...let me turn your ludicrous assumption around...are YOU related to any of the other cranks on here who do nothing but spout untruths and total exaggerations regard the folk who shop in Bradford city centre...the city centres imminent death and all the other complete tosh rolled out...take my mother for instance...she's 85 but still get's her hair done in Bradford city centre ...coming all the way from Sutton in Craven....there is a very unsavory tone to your posts....[/p][/quote]Its called cynicism. you started it and I"ll finish it Oh Mighty one slagging everyone as bufoons and other choice language. When all they comment is wehat they see. The truth. as to how far the place has fallen from grace. alfucham
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7:53pm Mon 21 Jan 13

bcfc1903 says...

alfucham wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote:
alfucham wrote: Are Mr Bradford and BCFC 1903 related? The majority see it for what it is. A dump frequented by scum that do nothing to encourage the likes of our mums and dads to return even if retailers were there in abundance. So the economy retail was worth £400 plus million last year. A couple of weeks ago this paper reported the betting industry turnover last year at........£400 million. So all the drug dealing crime rich scum put mor in Phillip Davies pet industry coffers than normal shoppers do ijn all the retail outlets put together. Says it all really. what a s***ole its become. Why not make Starbucks a methodone bar? And Brown Muffs a whorehouse. There seem to be more East European and other delightfull scum practically jumping in front of your car for trade these days. At least the whore house has a ready made name. Brown Muffs. that"ll do nicely. I"ll have the one in the funny window. If its still there. Ten bob down and ten bob when I pick up my winnings
Alf...Alf Alf tut tut..Surely if it was just frequented by scum..you'd be an expert on those folk would you?...let me turn your ludicrous assumption around...are YOU related to any of the other cranks on here who do nothing but spout untruths and total exaggerations regard the folk who shop in Bradford city centre...the city centres imminent death and all the other complete tosh rolled out...take my mother for instance...she's 85 but still get's her hair done in Bradford city centre ...coming all the way from Sutton in Craven....there is a very unsavory tone to your posts....
Its called cynicism.

you started it and I"ll finish it Oh Mighty one slagging everyone as bufoons and other choice language.

When all they comment is wehat they see.

The truth.

as to how far the place has fallen from grace.
Really....I'd call it something else ...and so would most other folk...i don't think you'd know the truth even if it came knocking at your thick skull...you actually trott out the same lies as many do on this thread regarding Bradford city centre....I actually do comment on what i see lol...you make it up as you go along. Since this thread started there's another two grand going into Bradford shops with a coffee for four after we've spent it...keep up the good work lol
[quote][p][bold]alfucham[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alfucham[/bold] wrote: Are Mr Bradford and BCFC 1903 related? The majority see it for what it is. A dump frequented by scum that do nothing to encourage the likes of our mums and dads to return even if retailers were there in abundance. So the economy retail was worth £400 plus million last year. A couple of weeks ago this paper reported the betting industry turnover last year at........£400 million. So all the drug dealing crime rich scum put mor in Phillip Davies pet industry coffers than normal shoppers do ijn all the retail outlets put together. Says it all really. what a s***ole its become. Why not make Starbucks a methodone bar? And Brown Muffs a whorehouse. There seem to be more East European and other delightfull scum practically jumping in front of your car for trade these days. At least the whore house has a ready made name. Brown Muffs. that"ll do nicely. I"ll have the one in the funny window. If its still there. Ten bob down and ten bob when I pick up my winnings[/p][/quote]Alf...Alf Alf tut tut..Surely if it was just frequented by scum..you'd be an expert on those folk would you?...let me turn your ludicrous assumption around...are YOU related to any of the other cranks on here who do nothing but spout untruths and total exaggerations regard the folk who shop in Bradford city centre...the city centres imminent death and all the other complete tosh rolled out...take my mother for instance...she's 85 but still get's her hair done in Bradford city centre ...coming all the way from Sutton in Craven....there is a very unsavory tone to your posts....[/p][/quote]Its called cynicism. you started it and I"ll finish it Oh Mighty one slagging everyone as bufoons and other choice language. When all they comment is wehat they see. The truth. as to how far the place has fallen from grace.[/p][/quote]Really....I'd call it something else ...and so would most other folk...i don't think you'd know the truth even if it came knocking at your thick skull...you actually trott out the same lies as many do on this thread regarding Bradford city centre....I actually do comment on what i see lol...you make it up as you go along. Since this thread started there's another two grand going into Bradford shops with a coffee for four after we've spent it...keep up the good work lol bcfc1903
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8:48pm Mon 21 Jan 13

alfucham says...

bcfc1903 wrote:
alfucham wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote:
alfucham wrote: Are Mr Bradford and BCFC 1903 related? The majority see it for what it is. A dump frequented by scum that do nothing to encourage the likes of our mums and dads to return even if retailers were there in abundance. So the economy retail was worth £400 plus million last year. A couple of weeks ago this paper reported the betting industry turnover last year at........£400 million. So all the drug dealing crime rich scum put mor in Phillip Davies pet industry coffers than normal shoppers do ijn all the retail outlets put together. Says it all really. what a s***ole its become. Why not make Starbucks a methodone bar? And Brown Muffs a whorehouse. There seem to be more East European and other delightfull scum practically jumping in front of your car for trade these days. At least the whore house has a ready made name. Brown Muffs. that"ll do nicely. I"ll have the one in the funny window. If its still there. Ten bob down and ten bob when I pick up my winnings
Alf...Alf Alf tut tut..Surely if it was just frequented by scum..you'd be an expert on those folk would you?...let me turn your ludicrous assumption around...are YOU related to any of the other cranks on here who do nothing but spout untruths and total exaggerations regard the folk who shop in Bradford city centre...the city centres imminent death and all the other complete tosh rolled out...take my mother for instance...she's 85 but still get's her hair done in Bradford city centre ...coming all the way from Sutton in Craven....there is a very unsavory tone to your posts....
Its called cynicism. you started it and I"ll finish it Oh Mighty one slagging everyone as bufoons and other choice language. When all they comment is wehat they see. The truth. as to how far the place has fallen from grace.
Really....I'd call it something else ...and so would most other folk...i don't think you'd know the truth even if it came knocking at your thick skull...you actually trott out the same lies as many do on this thread regarding Bradford city centre....I actually do comment on what i see lol...you make it up as you go along. Since this thread started there's another two grand going into Bradford shops with a coffee for four after we've spent it...keep up the good work lol
Your on yer own pal.
[quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alfucham[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alfucham[/bold] wrote: Are Mr Bradford and BCFC 1903 related? The majority see it for what it is. A dump frequented by scum that do nothing to encourage the likes of our mums and dads to return even if retailers were there in abundance. So the economy retail was worth £400 plus million last year. A couple of weeks ago this paper reported the betting industry turnover last year at........£400 million. So all the drug dealing crime rich scum put mor in Phillip Davies pet industry coffers than normal shoppers do ijn all the retail outlets put together. Says it all really. what a s***ole its become. Why not make Starbucks a methodone bar? And Brown Muffs a whorehouse. There seem to be more East European and other delightfull scum practically jumping in front of your car for trade these days. At least the whore house has a ready made name. Brown Muffs. that"ll do nicely. I"ll have the one in the funny window. If its still there. Ten bob down and ten bob when I pick up my winnings[/p][/quote]Alf...Alf Alf tut tut..Surely if it was just frequented by scum..you'd be an expert on those folk would you?...let me turn your ludicrous assumption around...are YOU related to any of the other cranks on here who do nothing but spout untruths and total exaggerations regard the folk who shop in Bradford city centre...the city centres imminent death and all the other complete tosh rolled out...take my mother for instance...she's 85 but still get's her hair done in Bradford city centre ...coming all the way from Sutton in Craven....there is a very unsavory tone to your posts....[/p][/quote]Its called cynicism. you started it and I"ll finish it Oh Mighty one slagging everyone as bufoons and other choice language. When all they comment is wehat they see. The truth. as to how far the place has fallen from grace.[/p][/quote]Really....I'd call it something else ...and so would most other folk...i don't think you'd know the truth even if it came knocking at your thick skull...you actually trott out the same lies as many do on this thread regarding Bradford city centre....I actually do comment on what i see lol...you make it up as you go along. Since this thread started there's another two grand going into Bradford shops with a coffee for four after we've spent it...keep up the good work lol[/p][/quote]Your on yer own pal. alfucham
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8:51pm Mon 21 Jan 13

bcfc1903 says...

alfucham wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote:
alfucham wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote:
alfucham wrote: Are Mr Bradford and BCFC 1903 related? The majority see it for what it is. A dump frequented by scum that do nothing to encourage the likes of our mums and dads to return even if retailers were there in abundance. So the economy retail was worth £400 plus million last year. A couple of weeks ago this paper reported the betting industry turnover last year at........£400 million. So all the drug dealing crime rich scum put mor in Phillip Davies pet industry coffers than normal shoppers do ijn all the retail outlets put together. Says it all really. what a s***ole its become. Why not make Starbucks a methodone bar? And Brown Muffs a whorehouse. There seem to be more East European and other delightfull scum practically jumping in front of your car for trade these days. At least the whore house has a ready made name. Brown Muffs. that"ll do nicely. I"ll have the one in the funny window. If its still there. Ten bob down and ten bob when I pick up my winnings
Alf...Alf Alf tut tut..Surely if it was just frequented by scum..you'd be an expert on those folk would you?...let me turn your ludicrous assumption around...are YOU related to any of the other cranks on here who do nothing but spout untruths and total exaggerations regard the folk who shop in Bradford city centre...the city centres imminent death and all the other complete tosh rolled out...take my mother for instance...she's 85 but still get's her hair done in Bradford city centre ...coming all the way from Sutton in Craven....there is a very unsavory tone to your posts....
Its called cynicism. you started it and I"ll finish it Oh Mighty one slagging everyone as bufoons and other choice language. When all they comment is wehat they see. The truth. as to how far the place has fallen from grace.
Really....I'd call it something else ...and so would most other folk...i don't think you'd know the truth even if it came knocking at your thick skull...you actually trott out the same lies as many do on this thread regarding Bradford city centre....I actually do comment on what i see lol...you make it up as you go along. Since this thread started there's another two grand going into Bradford shops with a coffee for four after we've spent it...keep up the good work lol
Your on yer own pal.
No...i'm actually shopping with thousands of other Bradfordians every week in Bradford city centre. Read it and weep!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]alfucham[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alfucham[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alfucham[/bold] wrote: Are Mr Bradford and BCFC 1903 related? The majority see it for what it is. A dump frequented by scum that do nothing to encourage the likes of our mums and dads to return even if retailers were there in abundance. So the economy retail was worth £400 plus million last year. A couple of weeks ago this paper reported the betting industry turnover last year at........£400 million. So all the drug dealing crime rich scum put mor in Phillip Davies pet industry coffers than normal shoppers do ijn all the retail outlets put together. Says it all really. what a s***ole its become. Why not make Starbucks a methodone bar? And Brown Muffs a whorehouse. There seem to be more East European and other delightfull scum practically jumping in front of your car for trade these days. At least the whore house has a ready made name. Brown Muffs. that"ll do nicely. I"ll have the one in the funny window. If its still there. Ten bob down and ten bob when I pick up my winnings[/p][/quote]Alf...Alf Alf tut tut..Surely if it was just frequented by scum..you'd be an expert on those folk would you?...let me turn your ludicrous assumption around...are YOU related to any of the other cranks on here who do nothing but spout untruths and total exaggerations regard the folk who shop in Bradford city centre...the city centres imminent death and all the other complete tosh rolled out...take my mother for instance...she's 85 but still get's her hair done in Bradford city centre ...coming all the way from Sutton in Craven....there is a very unsavory tone to your posts....[/p][/quote]Its called cynicism. you started it and I"ll finish it Oh Mighty one slagging everyone as bufoons and other choice language. When all they comment is wehat they see. The truth. as to how far the place has fallen from grace.[/p][/quote]Really....I'd call it something else ...and so would most other folk...i don't think you'd know the truth even if it came knocking at your thick skull...you actually trott out the same lies as many do on this thread regarding Bradford city centre....I actually do comment on what i see lol...you make it up as you go along. Since this thread started there's another two grand going into Bradford shops with a coffee for four after we've spent it...keep up the good work lol[/p][/quote]Your on yer own pal.[/p][/quote]No...i'm actually shopping with thousands of other Bradfordians every week in Bradford city centre. Read it and weep!!!!! bcfc1903
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9:07pm Mon 21 Jan 13

birday says...

Disband Bradford! We do it with failing schools why not with failing towns?!
.
The perfect solutions ... it would desolve power in Bradford that isn't working and there'd be no need to carry putting effort into forcing politicans to build the town centre. The populaton could be turn to face their most local town or city and begin to feel part of a place again eg Skipton, Leeds, Wakefield, Halifax etc
Disband Bradford! We do it with failing schools why not with failing towns?! . The perfect solutions ... it would desolve power in Bradford that isn't working and there'd be no need to carry putting effort into forcing politicans to build the town centre. The populaton could be turn to face their most local town or city and begin to feel part of a place again eg Skipton, Leeds, Wakefield, Halifax etc birday
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9:25pm Mon 21 Jan 13

bcfc1903 says...

birday wrote:
Disband Bradford! We do it with failing schools why not with failing towns?!
.
The perfect solutions ... it would desolve power in Bradford that isn't working and there'd be no need to carry putting effort into forcing politicans to build the town centre. The populaton could be turn to face their most local town or city and begin to feel part of a place again eg Skipton, Leeds, Wakefield, Halifax etc
Of course Bradford's working...it has the third biggest economy in the whole of Yorkshire and Humberside....around 7billion....just behind Sheffield and miles behind Leeds. Some of the schools are great some are not...you find the same sort of problems in Birmingham...should we disband that city also lol
[quote][p][bold]birday[/bold] wrote: Disband Bradford! We do it with failing schools why not with failing towns?! . The perfect solutions ... it would desolve power in Bradford that isn't working and there'd be no need to carry putting effort into forcing politicans to build the town centre. The populaton could be turn to face their most local town or city and begin to feel part of a place again eg Skipton, Leeds, Wakefield, Halifax etc[/p][/quote]Of course Bradford's working...it has the third biggest economy in the whole of Yorkshire and Humberside....around 7billion....just behind Sheffield and miles behind Leeds. Some of the schools are great some are not...you find the same sort of problems in Birmingham...should we disband that city also lol bcfc1903
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10:05pm Mon 21 Jan 13

C.T.I.D says...

bcfc1903 wrote:
birday wrote:
Disband Bradford! We do it with failing schools why not with failing towns?!
.
The perfect solutions ... it would desolve power in Bradford that isn't working and there'd be no need to carry putting effort into forcing politicans to build the town centre. The populaton could be turn to face their most local town or city and begin to feel part of a place again eg Skipton, Leeds, Wakefield, Halifax etc
Of course Bradford's working...it has the third biggest economy in the whole of Yorkshire and Humberside....around 7billion....just behind Sheffield and miles behind Leeds. Some of the schools are great some are not...you find the same sort of problems in Birmingham...should we disband that city also lol
dixons is one of the top preforming schools in west yorkshire. and it's practically in the city centre!

can't tell if some people are just saying things to wind you up on here..... or they're just barmy!
[quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]birday[/bold] wrote: Disband Bradford! We do it with failing schools why not with failing towns?! . The perfect solutions ... it would desolve power in Bradford that isn't working and there'd be no need to carry putting effort into forcing politicans to build the town centre. The populaton could be turn to face their most local town or city and begin to feel part of a place again eg Skipton, Leeds, Wakefield, Halifax etc[/p][/quote]Of course Bradford's working...it has the third biggest economy in the whole of Yorkshire and Humberside....around 7billion....just behind Sheffield and miles behind Leeds. Some of the schools are great some are not...you find the same sort of problems in Birmingham...should we disband that city also lol[/p][/quote]dixons is one of the top preforming schools in west yorkshire. and it's practically in the city centre! can't tell if some people are just saying things to wind you up on here..... or they're just barmy! C.T.I.D
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7:56am Tue 22 Jan 13

Pondlover says...

Hasn't this got muddled up now? Bradford as a City has a lot going for it but, however, it's centre is not one of those things, it is dying, it's offering is constantly downgraded, decent chains will not open here, shops are closing, the and footfall is dropping. (The latter 2 things go go hand in hand)


What's the answer? Retail? No! Of course not, that's a long term proven failure. What else can there be fro a defunct centre but with space and beautiful architecture?
Hasn't this got muddled up now? Bradford as a City has a lot going for it but, however, it's centre is not one of those things, it is dying, it's offering is constantly downgraded, decent chains will not open here, shops are closing, the and footfall is dropping. (The latter 2 things go go hand in hand) What's the answer? Retail? No! Of course not, that's a long term proven failure. What else can there be fro a defunct centre but with space and beautiful architecture? Pondlover
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11:02am Tue 22 Jan 13

bcfc1903 says...

Pondlover wrote:
Hasn't this got muddled up now? Bradford as a City has a lot going for it but, however, it's centre is not one of those things, it is dying, it's offering is constantly downgraded, decent chains will not open here, shops are closing, the and footfall is dropping. (The latter 2 things go go hand in hand)


What's the answer? Retail? No! Of course not, that's a long term proven failure. What else can there be fro a defunct centre but with space and beautiful architecture?
Footfall has not been dropping in the last three years...previously..
.yes it looked like Bradford was seriously struggling. No one is saying everything in Bradford city centre is rosey...but this stuff about recent footfall is ludicrous...the last figures published showed that more money was being spent in Bradford city centre shops...a rise of five places in the table produced at that time ...those figures came out around three years ago...if you think footfall has fallen since then in Bradford city centre....that simply is not the case, there has been a significant rise.
[quote][p][bold]Pondlover[/bold] wrote: Hasn't this got muddled up now? Bradford as a City has a lot going for it but, however, it's centre is not one of those things, it is dying, it's offering is constantly downgraded, decent chains will not open here, shops are closing, the and footfall is dropping. (The latter 2 things go go hand in hand) What's the answer? Retail? No! Of course not, that's a long term proven failure. What else can there be fro a defunct centre but with space and beautiful architecture?[/p][/quote]Footfall has not been dropping in the last three years...previously.. .yes it looked like Bradford was seriously struggling. No one is saying everything in Bradford city centre is rosey...but this stuff about recent footfall is ludicrous...the last figures published showed that more money was being spent in Bradford city centre shops...a rise of five places in the table produced at that time ...those figures came out around three years ago...if you think footfall has fallen since then in Bradford city centre....that simply is not the case, there has been a significant rise. bcfc1903
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11:40am Tue 22 Jan 13

Pondlover says...

bcfc1903 wrote:
Pondlover wrote:
Hasn't this got muddled up now? Bradford as a City has a lot going for it but, however, it's centre is not one of those things, it is dying, it's offering is constantly downgraded, decent chains will not open here, shops are closing, the and footfall is dropping. (The latter 2 things go go hand in hand)


What's the answer? Retail? No! Of course not, that's a long term proven failure. What else can there be fro a defunct centre but with space and beautiful architecture?
Footfall has not been dropping in the last three years...previously..

.yes it looked like Bradford was seriously struggling. No one is saying everything in Bradford city centre is rosey...but this stuff about recent footfall is ludicrous...the last figures published showed that more money was being spent in Bradford city centre shops...a rise of five places in the table produced at that time ...those figures came out around three years ago...if you think footfall has fallen since then in Bradford city centre....that simply is not the case, there has been a significant rise.
But footfall clearly fell, the councils own figures show this, right up until the that report was published. In fact, the drop was accelerating. With respect, since then, many more shops have closed, so how on earth do you expect anybody to believe footfall is increasing? I wish it was true but it's just not a sensible claim as all evidence suggests the opposite.

But, what else can fill the retail void? I've seen no imagination or bright ideas for Bradford or anywhere suffering a similar retail downturn.
[quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pondlover[/bold] wrote: Hasn't this got muddled up now? Bradford as a City has a lot going for it but, however, it's centre is not one of those things, it is dying, it's offering is constantly downgraded, decent chains will not open here, shops are closing, the and footfall is dropping. (The latter 2 things go go hand in hand) What's the answer? Retail? No! Of course not, that's a long term proven failure. What else can there be fro a defunct centre but with space and beautiful architecture?[/p][/quote]Footfall has not been dropping in the last three years...previously.. .yes it looked like Bradford was seriously struggling. No one is saying everything in Bradford city centre is rosey...but this stuff about recent footfall is ludicrous...the last figures published showed that more money was being spent in Bradford city centre shops...a rise of five places in the table produced at that time ...those figures came out around three years ago...if you think footfall has fallen since then in Bradford city centre....that simply is not the case, there has been a significant rise.[/p][/quote]But footfall clearly fell, the councils own figures show this, right up until the that report was published. In fact, the drop was accelerating. With respect, since then, many more shops have closed, so how on earth do you expect anybody to believe footfall is increasing? I wish it was true but it's just not a sensible claim as all evidence suggests the opposite. But, what else can fill the retail void? I've seen no imagination or bright ideas for Bradford or anywhere suffering a similar retail downturn. Pondlover
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4:22pm Tue 22 Jan 13

bcfc1903 says...

Goverment figures say otherwise in Bradford .....only three years ago...Bradford city centre moved up the retail sales table by five places...obviously the Kirkgate centre has also said it's footfall has increased since City Park opened...the Media Museum has seen a large increase in folk visiting it over the last six months. I'm not making this stuff up...my own eyesight says there are far more folk in Bradford city centre shops than three years ago. Make of that what you will...i guess until more government figures are released it's all speculation. By the way most of the recent shop closures have nothing to do with Bradford...they are decisions taken by companies on a national basis.
Goverment figures say otherwise in Bradford .....only three years ago...Bradford city centre moved up the retail sales table by five places...obviously the Kirkgate centre has also said it's footfall has increased since City Park opened...the Media Museum has seen a large increase in folk visiting it over the last six months. I'm not making this stuff up...my own eyesight says there are far more folk in Bradford city centre shops than three years ago. Make of that what you will...i guess until more government figures are released it's all speculation. By the way most of the recent shop closures have nothing to do with Bradford...they are decisions taken by companies on a national basis. bcfc1903
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6:46pm Tue 22 Jan 13

pweibj67 says...

BCFC 1903 the Government must love you .. hey get excited we have never had it so good!

i look forward to reading more of their clap trap and spin you can get excited to!

ps are you off to Iraq to kick ****! over the Weapons of mass destruction!
BCFC 1903 the Government must love you .. hey get excited we have never had it so good! i look forward to reading more of their clap trap and spin you can get excited to! ps are you off to Iraq to kick ****! over the Weapons of mass destruction! pweibj67
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7:28pm Tue 22 Jan 13

Pondlover says...

bcfc1903 wrote:
Goverment figures say otherwise in Bradford .....only three years ago...Bradford city centre moved up the retail sales table by five places...obviously the Kirkgate centre has also said it's footfall has increased since City Park opened...the Media Museum has seen a large increase in folk visiting it over the last six months. I'm not making this stuff up...my own eyesight says there are far more folk in Bradford city centre shops than three years ago. Make of that what you will...i guess until more government figures are released it's all speculation. By the way most of the recent shop closures have nothing to do with Bradford...they are decisions taken by companies on a national basis.
I am only interested in retail, Bradford's centre, not the media museum, Bradford has quite few things going for it, that is one of them.

I don't go often, maybe once a month, tbh I always astonished at how quiet it is, if you use it regularly then perhaps you become accustomed to the the decline? Reduced choice + reduced shops cannot result in increased footfall. IMO it's got quieter, year on year, we'll have to wait for a report!

I agree, the very recent shop closures are not specific to Bradford, but long term losses of Bradford's quality independents are. Nothing has or will replace either so it's lose-lose and so it continues........

I am always open to any suggestion about how to bring "life" into the centre, I just believe that the longer the hope for a (impossible IMO) retail regeneration, at least one of which we've been used to, will just prolong the decline.

For starters the council should bring every sphere of their operation, that it is possible to do so, into the centre, occupying premises and introducing footfall.
[quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: Goverment figures say otherwise in Bradford .....only three years ago...Bradford city centre moved up the retail sales table by five places...obviously the Kirkgate centre has also said it's footfall has increased since City Park opened...the Media Museum has seen a large increase in folk visiting it over the last six months. I'm not making this stuff up...my own eyesight says there are far more folk in Bradford city centre shops than three years ago. Make of that what you will...i guess until more government figures are released it's all speculation. By the way most of the recent shop closures have nothing to do with Bradford...they are decisions taken by companies on a national basis.[/p][/quote]I am only interested in retail, Bradford's centre, not the media museum, Bradford has quite few things going for it, that is one of them. I don't go often, maybe once a month, tbh I always astonished at how quiet it is, if you use it regularly then perhaps you become accustomed to the the decline? Reduced choice + reduced shops cannot result in increased footfall. IMO it's got quieter, year on year, we'll have to wait for a report! I agree, the very recent shop closures are not specific to Bradford, but long term losses of Bradford's quality independents are. Nothing has or will replace either so it's lose-lose and so it continues........ I am always open to any suggestion about how to bring "life" into the centre, I just believe that the longer the hope for a (impossible IMO) retail regeneration, at least one of which we've been used to, will just prolong the decline. For starters the council should bring every sphere of their operation, that it is possible to do so, into the centre, occupying premises and introducing footfall. Pondlover
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7:34pm Tue 22 Jan 13

alfucham says...

pweibj67 wrote:
BCFC 1903 the Government must love you .. hey get excited we have never had it so good! i look forward to reading more of their clap trap and spin you can get excited to! ps are you off to Iraq to kick ****! over the Weapons of mass destruction!
Well said.

Theres a word for people who believe all the claptrap spin that this report and that report state to win votes.

Or retain position power and corruption.

8 years ago I was told I needed my gallbladder out.

Pain excrutiating similar to heart attack I am told.

Told NHS target was 10 months wait but they would expedite due to pain threshold.
That was january.

Rang Otley hospital professor Mc Mahons office in following December.

professor McMahon invented the keyhole op for gallbladder removal.

His PA told me I was not even on the computer.But not to worry.NHS trust managers liked to input these things in batches as they knew the stastistics would look poor otherwise.

The NHS employs more hospital administraters than there are members of the chinese army.

To do precisely this.Cook the books whilst front line care staff weep.

I got my op on emergency short notice call up on new years day.A month after my call when the rest of the world was recovering from a hangover.

As I was wheeled down with Otley Hospital been part demolished everywhere I put my trust in god.

And the quite brilliant professor McMahon.

He incidently also invented key hole surgery for removal of the spleen something the size of a cricket ball.

The method insert a bag wrap round the spleen through small incision.Probe in a food processor type whisk.Pulp it.Pull back of liqified spleen gently out.Simple.Made in Britain.were still good at something.

All hospital administraters should be cut.There hopeless.

Moral of the story.

do not believe official reports.

Everyone else is right.

BCFC 1903 (thank god we"ll get respite as his beloved City have a very important date over the next couple of hours)your wrong.very wrong.And we all know it.

Bradford is with the dogs
[quote][p][bold]pweibj67[/bold] wrote: BCFC 1903 the Government must love you .. hey get excited we have never had it so good! i look forward to reading more of their clap trap and spin you can get excited to! ps are you off to Iraq to kick ****! over the Weapons of mass destruction![/p][/quote]Well said. Theres a word for people who believe all the claptrap spin that this report and that report state to win votes. Or retain position power and corruption. 8 years ago I was told I needed my gallbladder out. Pain excrutiating similar to heart attack I am told. Told NHS target was 10 months wait but they would expedite due to pain threshold. That was january. Rang Otley hospital professor Mc Mahons office in following December. professor McMahon invented the keyhole op for gallbladder removal. His PA told me I was not even on the computer.But not to worry.NHS trust managers liked to input these things in batches as they knew the stastistics would look poor otherwise. The NHS employs more hospital administraters than there are members of the chinese army. To do precisely this.Cook the books whilst front line care staff weep. I got my op on emergency short notice call up on new years day.A month after my call when the rest of the world was recovering from a hangover. As I was wheeled down with Otley Hospital been part demolished everywhere I put my trust in god. And the quite brilliant professor McMahon. He incidently also invented key hole surgery for removal of the spleen something the size of a cricket ball. The method insert a bag wrap round the spleen through small incision.Probe in a food processor type whisk.Pulp it.Pull back of liqified spleen gently out.Simple.Made in Britain.were still good at something. All hospital administraters should be cut.There hopeless. Moral of the story. do not believe official reports. Everyone else is right. BCFC 1903 (thank god we"ll get respite as his beloved City have a very important date over the next couple of hours)your wrong.very wrong.And we all know it. Bradford is with the dogs alfucham
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7:01pm Wed 23 Jan 13

bcfc1903 says...

pweibj67 wrote:
BCFC 1903 the Government must love you .. hey get excited we have never had it so good!

i look forward to reading more of their clap trap and spin you can get excited to!

ps are you off to Iraq to kick ****! over the Weapons of mass destruction!
Look...how can i compete with you in the clap trap stakes...fella you win hands down lol...I guess the truth really does hurt...hence your ludicrous reply.
[quote][p][bold]pweibj67[/bold] wrote: BCFC 1903 the Government must love you .. hey get excited we have never had it so good! i look forward to reading more of their clap trap and spin you can get excited to! ps are you off to Iraq to kick ****! over the Weapons of mass destruction![/p][/quote]Look...how can i compete with you in the clap trap stakes...fella you win hands down lol...I guess the truth really does hurt...hence your ludicrous reply. bcfc1903
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7:16pm Wed 23 Jan 13

bcfc1903 says...

alfucham wrote:
pweibj67 wrote:
BCFC 1903 the Government must love you .. hey get excited we have never had it so good! i look forward to reading more of their clap trap and spin you can get excited to! ps are you off to Iraq to kick ****! over the Weapons of mass destruction!
Well said.

Theres a word for people who believe all the claptrap spin that this report and that report state to win votes.

Or retain position power and corruption.

8 years ago I was told I needed my gallbladder out.

Pain excrutiating similar to heart attack I am told.

Told NHS target was 10 months wait but they would expedite due to pain threshold.
That was january.

Rang Otley hospital professor Mc Mahons office in following December.

professor McMahon invented the keyhole op for gallbladder removal.

His PA told me I was not even on the computer.But not to worry.NHS trust managers liked to input these things in batches as they knew the stastistics would look poor otherwise.

The NHS employs more hospital administraters than there are members of the chinese army.

To do precisely this.Cook the books whilst front line care staff weep.

I got my op on emergency short notice call up on new years day.A month after my call when the rest of the world was recovering from a hangover.

As I was wheeled down with Otley Hospital been part demolished everywhere I put my trust in god.

And the quite brilliant professor McMahon.

He incidently also invented key hole surgery for removal of the spleen something the size of a cricket ball.

The method insert a bag wrap round the spleen through small incision.Probe in a food processor type whisk.Pulp it.Pull back of liqified spleen gently out.Simple.Made in Britain.were still good at something.

All hospital administraters should be cut.There hopeless.

Moral of the story.

do not believe official reports.

Everyone else is right.

BCFC 1903 (thank god we"ll get respite as his beloved City have a very important date over the next couple of hours)your wrong.very wrong.And we all know it.

Bradford is with the dogs
Is this your gang alf lol...i'm not impressed...Glad you got your operation done eventually and you made a full recovery with the pain completely gone hopefully. Having read your whole post lol... leads me to the conclusion once again that you'll never have to have an operation to have your brain removed. By .we in your last sentence,..do you mean your gang...alf alf alf you simply cannot speak for everyone...after all you seem under the illusion that anyone who disagrees with you on this thread is me under a different tag...odd to say the least.
[quote][p][bold]alfucham[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pweibj67[/bold] wrote: BCFC 1903 the Government must love you .. hey get excited we have never had it so good! i look forward to reading more of their clap trap and spin you can get excited to! ps are you off to Iraq to kick ****! over the Weapons of mass destruction![/p][/quote]Well said. Theres a word for people who believe all the claptrap spin that this report and that report state to win votes. Or retain position power and corruption. 8 years ago I was told I needed my gallbladder out. Pain excrutiating similar to heart attack I am told. Told NHS target was 10 months wait but they would expedite due to pain threshold. That was january. Rang Otley hospital professor Mc Mahons office in following December. professor McMahon invented the keyhole op for gallbladder removal. His PA told me I was not even on the computer.But not to worry.NHS trust managers liked to input these things in batches as they knew the stastistics would look poor otherwise. The NHS employs more hospital administraters than there are members of the chinese army. To do precisely this.Cook the books whilst front line care staff weep. I got my op on emergency short notice call up on new years day.A month after my call when the rest of the world was recovering from a hangover. As I was wheeled down with Otley Hospital been part demolished everywhere I put my trust in god. And the quite brilliant professor McMahon. He incidently also invented key hole surgery for removal of the spleen something the size of a cricket ball. The method insert a bag wrap round the spleen through small incision.Probe in a food processor type whisk.Pulp it.Pull back of liqified spleen gently out.Simple.Made in Britain.were still good at something. All hospital administraters should be cut.There hopeless. Moral of the story. do not believe official reports. Everyone else is right. BCFC 1903 (thank god we"ll get respite as his beloved City have a very important date over the next couple of hours)your wrong.very wrong.And we all know it. Bradford is with the dogs[/p][/quote]Is this your gang alf lol...i'm not impressed...Glad you got your operation done eventually and you made a full recovery with the pain completely gone hopefully. Having read your whole post lol... leads me to the conclusion once again that you'll never have to have an operation to have your brain removed. By .we in your last sentence,..do you mean your gang...alf alf alf you simply cannot speak for everyone...after all you seem under the illusion that anyone who disagrees with you on this thread is me under a different tag...odd to say the least. bcfc1903
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7:22pm Wed 23 Jan 13

Not so simple says...

How much are those Bradford tinted blinker shades and how to I get some? The city centre is a joke, the suburbs are dirty and overcrowded. Criminal gangs operate openly throughout the city. Gangs of various youths from various ethnic backgrounds roaming the city. Sick paedophiles in the paper every week.

Now where do I get those Bradford blinkers.
Wake up idiots
How much are those Bradford tinted blinker shades and how to I get some? The city centre is a joke, the suburbs are dirty and overcrowded. Criminal gangs operate openly throughout the city. Gangs of various youths from various ethnic backgrounds roaming the city. Sick paedophiles in the paper every week. Now where do I get those Bradford blinkers. Wake up idiots Not so simple
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7:29pm Wed 23 Jan 13

bcfc1903 says...

Pondlover wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote:
Goverment figures say otherwise in Bradford .....only three years ago...Bradford city centre moved up the retail sales table by five places...obviously the Kirkgate centre has also said it's footfall has increased since City Park opened...the Media Museum has seen a large increase in folk visiting it over the last six months. I'm not making this stuff up...my own eyesight says there are far more folk in Bradford city centre shops than three years ago. Make of that what you will...i guess until more government figures are released it's all speculation. By the way most of the recent shop closures have nothing to do with Bradford...they are decisions taken by companies on a national basis.
I am only interested in retail, Bradford's centre, not the media museum, Bradford has quite few things going for it, that is one of them.

I don't go often, maybe once a month, tbh I always astonished at how quiet it is, if you use it regularly then perhaps you become accustomed to the the decline? Reduced choice + reduced shops cannot result in increased footfall. IMO it's got quieter, year on year, we'll have to wait for a report!

I agree, the very recent shop closures are not specific to Bradford, but long term losses of Bradford's quality independents are. Nothing has or will replace either so it's lose-lose and so it continues........

I am always open to any suggestion about how to bring "life" into the centre, I just believe that the longer the hope for a (impossible IMO) retail regeneration, at least one of which we've been used to, will just prolong the decline.

For starters the council should bring every sphere of their operation, that it is possible to do so, into the centre, occupying premises and introducing footfall.
Got used to the decline...you are joking....there's actually been an increase over the last three years...the last 18 months there seems to have been a marked increase...up to three years back..i'd say Bradford was struggling ..there has certainly been an increase since then regarding footfall...the latest survay was done recently by the Kirkgate centre which concluded there had been a significant increase in footfall...something i've noticed over the last 18 months especially. Obviously if you take the govenment figures of three years ago into account the improvement must have started a while before that. Obviously regarding my impression of an increase in footfall that is just my opinion but it does seem to be backed up by government figures and actual Bradford city centre retail outlets. Regarding Bradford Council workers being centralised...absolu
tely.
[quote][p][bold]Pondlover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: Goverment figures say otherwise in Bradford .....only three years ago...Bradford city centre moved up the retail sales table by five places...obviously the Kirkgate centre has also said it's footfall has increased since City Park opened...the Media Museum has seen a large increase in folk visiting it over the last six months. I'm not making this stuff up...my own eyesight says there are far more folk in Bradford city centre shops than three years ago. Make of that what you will...i guess until more government figures are released it's all speculation. By the way most of the recent shop closures have nothing to do with Bradford...they are decisions taken by companies on a national basis.[/p][/quote]I am only interested in retail, Bradford's centre, not the media museum, Bradford has quite few things going for it, that is one of them. I don't go often, maybe once a month, tbh I always astonished at how quiet it is, if you use it regularly then perhaps you become accustomed to the the decline? Reduced choice + reduced shops cannot result in increased footfall. IMO it's got quieter, year on year, we'll have to wait for a report! I agree, the very recent shop closures are not specific to Bradford, but long term losses of Bradford's quality independents are. Nothing has or will replace either so it's lose-lose and so it continues........ I am always open to any suggestion about how to bring "life" into the centre, I just believe that the longer the hope for a (impossible IMO) retail regeneration, at least one of which we've been used to, will just prolong the decline. For starters the council should bring every sphere of their operation, that it is possible to do so, into the centre, occupying premises and introducing footfall.[/p][/quote]Got used to the decline...you are joking....there's actually been an increase over the last three years...the last 18 months there seems to have been a marked increase...up to three years back..i'd say Bradford was struggling ..there has certainly been an increase since then regarding footfall...the latest survay was done recently by the Kirkgate centre which concluded there had been a significant increase in footfall...something i've noticed over the last 18 months especially. Obviously if you take the govenment figures of three years ago into account the improvement must have started a while before that. Obviously regarding my impression of an increase in footfall that is just my opinion but it does seem to be backed up by government figures and actual Bradford city centre retail outlets. Regarding Bradford Council workers being centralised...absolu tely. bcfc1903
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7:36pm Wed 23 Jan 13

bcfc1903 says...

Not so simple wrote:
How much are those Bradford tinted blinker shades and how to I get some? The city centre is a joke, the suburbs are dirty and overcrowded. Criminal gangs operate openly throughout the city. Gangs of various youths from various ethnic backgrounds roaming the city. Sick paedophiles in the paper every week.

Now where do I get those Bradford blinkers.
Wake up idiots
You tend to get that in all large cities regarding suberbs gangs ect ...you don't need blinkers to know that just some sort of IQ...Bradford has a lower overall crime rate in percentage terms than Manchester or Leeds. Yes Bradford city centre needs improving...you really do need to read my posts..i take it you can read lol
[quote][p][bold]Not so simple[/bold] wrote: How much are those Bradford tinted blinker shades and how to I get some? The city centre is a joke, the suburbs are dirty and overcrowded. Criminal gangs operate openly throughout the city. Gangs of various youths from various ethnic backgrounds roaming the city. Sick paedophiles in the paper every week. Now where do I get those Bradford blinkers. Wake up idiots[/p][/quote]You tend to get that in all large cities regarding suberbs gangs ect ...you don't need blinkers to know that just some sort of IQ...Bradford has a lower overall crime rate in percentage terms than Manchester or Leeds. Yes Bradford city centre needs improving...you really do need to read my posts..i take it you can read lol bcfc1903
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1:16am Thu 24 Jan 13

alfucham says...

A one man campaigner for sticking up for Bradford Council claims that all in the pond is rosy.

Good old BCFC 1903.

Thank god my old pal Mark Lawn has something to smile about after all these years of seeing his family life savings slowly drip down the drain for several years mirroring the city fortunes.

I gues City"s success is why good old BCFC 1903 refuses to see the deriliction we all do with gangs everywhere.

Another trial reporting today of alleged grooming rape of more 14 year old schoolgirls.

The sort of behaviour your very own Great Mp Anne Cryer was decrying 10 years back BCFC 1903.

And social Services and the police stated official statitistics and records did not supoort.

Just as with Jimmy Saville ity shows the records were there.But were shuvvled under"t carpet.For fear to bring out and face the truth.

As Hillsbrough victims have waited 23 years for truth and justice denied by lying police officers who released nonsense to the press that fans from Liverpool were seen urinating on bodies and stealing the wallets of the dead and dying.

Dont talk to mea bout official reports BCFC 1903.

There not worth the paper there written on.

Society will always be controlled by the establishment.

Cronies as you are easily fooled
A one man campaigner for sticking up for Bradford Council claims that all in the pond is rosy. Good old BCFC 1903. Thank god my old pal Mark Lawn has something to smile about after all these years of seeing his family life savings slowly drip down the drain for several years mirroring the city fortunes. I gues City"s success is why good old BCFC 1903 refuses to see the deriliction we all do with gangs everywhere. Another trial reporting today of alleged grooming rape of more 14 year old schoolgirls. The sort of behaviour your very own Great Mp Anne Cryer was decrying 10 years back BCFC 1903. And social Services and the police stated official statitistics and records did not supoort. Just as with Jimmy Saville ity shows the records were there.But were shuvvled under"t carpet.For fear to bring out and face the truth. As Hillsbrough victims have waited 23 years for truth and justice denied by lying police officers who released nonsense to the press that fans from Liverpool were seen urinating on bodies and stealing the wallets of the dead and dying. Dont talk to mea bout official reports BCFC 1903. There not worth the paper there written on. Society will always be controlled by the establishment. Cronies as you are easily fooled alfucham
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3:29am Thu 24 Jan 13

Not so simple says...

alfucham wrote:
A one man campaigner for sticking up for Bradford Council claims that all in the pond is rosy.

Good old BCFC 1903.

Thank god my old pal Mark Lawn has something to smile about after all these years of seeing his family life savings slowly drip down the drain for several years mirroring the city fortunes.

I gues City"s success is why good old BCFC 1903 refuses to see the deriliction we all do with gangs everywhere.

Another trial reporting today of alleged grooming rape of more 14 year old schoolgirls.

The sort of behaviour your very own Great Mp Anne Cryer was decrying 10 years back BCFC 1903.

And social Services and the police stated official statitistics and records did not supoort.

Just as with Jimmy Saville ity shows the records were there.But were shuvvled under"t carpet.For fear to bring out and face the truth.

As Hillsbrough victims have waited 23 years for truth and justice denied by lying police officers who released nonsense to the press that fans from Liverpool were seen urinating on bodies and stealing the wallets of the dead and dying.

Dont talk to mea bout official reports BCFC 1903.

There not worth the paper there written on.

Society will always be controlled by the establishment.

Cronies as you are easily fooled
Right on. Now where's them mail order Bradford blinkers!
[quote][p][bold]alfucham[/bold] wrote: A one man campaigner for sticking up for Bradford Council claims that all in the pond is rosy. Good old BCFC 1903. Thank god my old pal Mark Lawn has something to smile about after all these years of seeing his family life savings slowly drip down the drain for several years mirroring the city fortunes. I gues City"s success is why good old BCFC 1903 refuses to see the deriliction we all do with gangs everywhere. Another trial reporting today of alleged grooming rape of more 14 year old schoolgirls. The sort of behaviour your very own Great Mp Anne Cryer was decrying 10 years back BCFC 1903. And social Services and the police stated official statitistics and records did not supoort. Just as with Jimmy Saville ity shows the records were there.But were shuvvled under"t carpet.For fear to bring out and face the truth. As Hillsbrough victims have waited 23 years for truth and justice denied by lying police officers who released nonsense to the press that fans from Liverpool were seen urinating on bodies and stealing the wallets of the dead and dying. Dont talk to mea bout official reports BCFC 1903. There not worth the paper there written on. Society will always be controlled by the establishment. Cronies as you are easily fooled[/p][/quote]Right on. Now where's them mail order Bradford blinkers! Not so simple
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3:59am Thu 24 Jan 13

6teddies says...

Remember the leaflets that went about or was it a magazine? Anyhow it said Bradford Bouncing Back and yes they got it right =Bouncing back into the gutter!!. I wonder if the councilors shop in Bradford?
Remember the leaflets that went about or was it a magazine? Anyhow it said Bradford Bouncing Back and yes they got it right =Bouncing back into the gutter!!. I wonder if the councilors shop in Bradford? 6teddies
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9:03am Thu 24 Jan 13

bcfc1903 says...

alfucham wrote:
A one man campaigner for sticking up for Bradford Council claims that all in the pond is rosy.

Good old BCFC 1903.

Thank god my old pal Mark Lawn has something to smile about after all these years of seeing his family life savings slowly drip down the drain for several years mirroring the city fortunes.

I gues City"s success is why good old BCFC 1903 refuses to see the deriliction we all do with gangs everywhere.

Another trial reporting today of alleged grooming rape of more 14 year old schoolgirls.

The sort of behaviour your very own Great Mp Anne Cryer was decrying 10 years back BCFC 1903.

And social Services and the police stated official statitistics and records did not supoort.

Just as with Jimmy Saville ity shows the records were there.But were shuvvled under"t carpet.For fear to bring out and face the truth.

As Hillsbrough victims have waited 23 years for truth and justice denied by lying police officers who released nonsense to the press that fans from Liverpool were seen urinating on bodies and stealing the wallets of the dead and dying.

Dont talk to mea bout official reports BCFC 1903.

There not worth the paper there written on.

Society will always be controlled by the establishment.

Cronies as you are easily fooled
Wow...looks like i touched a nerve...lol Maybe the surgeon removed your eyes by mistake...try actually reading my posts lol anyway seeing you like lists...lol

Th Bradford City Region has been given the accolade of being the first UNESCO CITY of FILM.
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The BRADFORD Media Museum is the most visited museum outside London

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Bradford has a lower crime rate than Manchester or Leeds based on percentages.
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Bradford is the Birth Place of the Bronte Sisters,the house being located on Market Street in Thornton,it's a grade 2 listed building..


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They wrote their books while living at Haworth Parsonage which is within the Bradford City Region.Haworth is trying to get UNESCO WORLD HERITAGE SITE RECOGNITION.
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JB Priestley the novelist.
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Frederick Delius the composer.

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Bradford has the UNESCO WORLD HERITAGE SITE AT SALTAIRE.
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The world renowned artist David Hockney a Bradfordian has paintings displayed in Salts Mill.
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Bradford and it's region has 5,800 listed buildings,and Bradford City centre has some beautiful buildings.The Wool Exchange and City Hall being prime examples
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Just how much culture and superb countryside can one city and it's region have,in Bradford's case it has plenty.
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The picture painted by some on here is not a true reflection of either the City of Bradford or it's surrounding region.
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St Georges Hall is the oldest concert hall in the UK AND THE THIRD OLDEST IN THE WHOLE OF EUROPE.

I'd rather read OFFICIAL reports rather than the clap trap you specialise in.
[quote][p][bold]alfucham[/bold] wrote: A one man campaigner for sticking up for Bradford Council claims that all in the pond is rosy. Good old BCFC 1903. Thank god my old pal Mark Lawn has something to smile about after all these years of seeing his family life savings slowly drip down the drain for several years mirroring the city fortunes. I gues City"s success is why good old BCFC 1903 refuses to see the deriliction we all do with gangs everywhere. Another trial reporting today of alleged grooming rape of more 14 year old schoolgirls. The sort of behaviour your very own Great Mp Anne Cryer was decrying 10 years back BCFC 1903. And social Services and the police stated official statitistics and records did not supoort. Just as with Jimmy Saville ity shows the records were there.But were shuvvled under"t carpet.For fear to bring out and face the truth. As Hillsbrough victims have waited 23 years for truth and justice denied by lying police officers who released nonsense to the press that fans from Liverpool were seen urinating on bodies and stealing the wallets of the dead and dying. Dont talk to mea bout official reports BCFC 1903. There not worth the paper there written on. Society will always be controlled by the establishment. Cronies as you are easily fooled[/p][/quote]Wow...looks like i touched a nerve...lol Maybe the surgeon removed your eyes by mistake...try actually reading my posts lol anyway seeing you like lists...lol Th Bradford City Region has been given the accolade of being the first UNESCO CITY of FILM. * The BRADFORD Media Museum is the most visited museum outside London * Bradford has a lower crime rate than Manchester or Leeds based on percentages. * Bradford is the Birth Place of the Bronte Sisters,the house being located on Market Street in Thornton,it's a grade 2 listed building.. * They wrote their books while living at Haworth Parsonage which is within the Bradford City Region.Haworth is trying to get UNESCO WORLD HERITAGE SITE RECOGNITION. * JB Priestley the novelist. * Frederick Delius the composer. * Bradford has the UNESCO WORLD HERITAGE SITE AT SALTAIRE. * The world renowned artist David Hockney a Bradfordian has paintings displayed in Salts Mill. * Bradford and it's region has 5,800 listed buildings,and Bradford City centre has some beautiful buildings.The Wool Exchange and City Hall being prime examples * Just how much culture and superb countryside can one city and it's region have,in Bradford's case it has plenty. * The picture painted by some on here is not a true reflection of either the City of Bradford or it's surrounding region. * St Georges Hall is the oldest concert hall in the UK AND THE THIRD OLDEST IN THE WHOLE OF EUROPE. I'd rather read OFFICIAL reports rather than the clap trap you specialise in. bcfc1903
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9:05am Thu 24 Jan 13

bcfc1903 says...

Not so simple wrote:
alfucham wrote:
A one man campaigner for sticking up for Bradford Council claims that all in the pond is rosy.

Good old BCFC 1903.

Thank god my old pal Mark Lawn has something to smile about after all these years of seeing his family life savings slowly drip down the drain for several years mirroring the city fortunes.

I gues City"s success is why good old BCFC 1903 refuses to see the deriliction we all do with gangs everywhere.

Another trial reporting today of alleged grooming rape of more 14 year old schoolgirls.

The sort of behaviour your very own Great Mp Anne Cryer was decrying 10 years back BCFC 1903.

And social Services and the police stated official statitistics and records did not supoort.

Just as with Jimmy Saville ity shows the records were there.But were shuvvled under"t carpet.For fear to bring out and face the truth.

As Hillsbrough victims have waited 23 years for truth and justice denied by lying police officers who released nonsense to the press that fans from Liverpool were seen urinating on bodies and stealing the wallets of the dead and dying.

Dont talk to mea bout official reports BCFC 1903.

There not worth the paper there written on.

Society will always be controlled by the establishment.

Cronies as you are easily fooled
Right on. Now where's them mail order Bradford blinkers!
Th Bradford City Region has been given the accolade of being the first UNESCO CITY of FILM.
*
The BRADFORD Media Museum is the most visited museum outside London

*
Bradford has a lower crime rate than Leeds.
*
Bradford is the Birth Place of the Bronte Sisters,the house being located on Market Street in Thornton,it's a grade 2 listed building..


*
They wrote their books while living at Haworth Parsonage which is within the Bradford City Region.Haworth is trying to get UNESCO WORLD HERITAGE SITE RECOGNITION.
*
JB Priestley the novelist.
*
Frederick Delius the composer.

*
Bradford has the UNESCO WORLD HERITAGE SITE AT SALTAIRE.
*
The world renowned artist David Hockney a Bradfordian has paintings displayed in Salts Mill.
*
Bradford and it's region has 5,800 listed buildings,and Bradford City centre has some beautiful buildings.The Wool Exchange and City Hall being prime examples
*

Just how much culture and superb countryside can one city and it's region have,in Bradford's case it has plenty.
*
The picture painted by some on here is not a true reflection of either the City of Bradford or it's surrounding region.
*
St Georges Hall is the oldest concert hall in the UK AND THE THIRD OLDEST IN THE WHOLE OF EUROPE.e
[quote][p][bold]Not so simple[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alfucham[/bold] wrote: A one man campaigner for sticking up for Bradford Council claims that all in the pond is rosy. Good old BCFC 1903. Thank god my old pal Mark Lawn has something to smile about after all these years of seeing his family life savings slowly drip down the drain for several years mirroring the city fortunes. I gues City"s success is why good old BCFC 1903 refuses to see the deriliction we all do with gangs everywhere. Another trial reporting today of alleged grooming rape of more 14 year old schoolgirls. The sort of behaviour your very own Great Mp Anne Cryer was decrying 10 years back BCFC 1903. And social Services and the police stated official statitistics and records did not supoort. Just as with Jimmy Saville ity shows the records were there.But were shuvvled under"t carpet.For fear to bring out and face the truth. As Hillsbrough victims have waited 23 years for truth and justice denied by lying police officers who released nonsense to the press that fans from Liverpool were seen urinating on bodies and stealing the wallets of the dead and dying. Dont talk to mea bout official reports BCFC 1903. There not worth the paper there written on. Society will always be controlled by the establishment. Cronies as you are easily fooled[/p][/quote]Right on. Now where's them mail order Bradford blinkers![/p][/quote]Th Bradford City Region has been given the accolade of being the first UNESCO CITY of FILM. * The BRADFORD Media Museum is the most visited museum outside London * Bradford has a lower crime rate than Leeds. * Bradford is the Birth Place of the Bronte Sisters,the house being located on Market Street in Thornton,it's a grade 2 listed building.. * They wrote their books while living at Haworth Parsonage which is within the Bradford City Region.Haworth is trying to get UNESCO WORLD HERITAGE SITE RECOGNITION. * JB Priestley the novelist. * Frederick Delius the composer. * Bradford has the UNESCO WORLD HERITAGE SITE AT SALTAIRE. * The world renowned artist David Hockney a Bradfordian has paintings displayed in Salts Mill. * Bradford and it's region has 5,800 listed buildings,and Bradford City centre has some beautiful buildings.The Wool Exchange and City Hall being prime examples * Just how much culture and superb countryside can one city and it's region have,in Bradford's case it has plenty. * The picture painted by some on here is not a true reflection of either the City of Bradford or it's surrounding region. * St Georges Hall is the oldest concert hall in the UK AND THE THIRD OLDEST IN THE WHOLE OF EUROPE.e bcfc1903
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9:06am Thu 24 Jan 13

bcfc1903 says...

6teddies wrote:
Remember the leaflets that went about or was it a magazine? Anyhow it said Bradford Bouncing Back and yes they got it right =Bouncing back into the gutter!!. I wonder if the councilors shop in Bradford?
Th Bradford City Region has been given the accolade of being the first UNESCO CITY of FILM.
*
The BRADFORD Media Museum is the most visited museum outside London

*
Bradford has a lower crime rate than Leeds.
*
Bradford is the Birth Place of the Bronte Sisters,the house being located on Market Street in Thornton,it's a grade 2 listed building..


*
They wrote their books while living at Haworth Parsonage which is within the Bradford City Region.Haworth is trying to get UNESCO WORLD HERITAGE SITE RECOGNITION.
*
JB Priestley the novelist.
*
Frederick Delius the composer.

*
Bradford has the UNESCO WORLD HERITAGE SITE AT SALTAIRE.
*
The world renowned artist David Hockney a Bradfordian has paintings displayed in Salts Mill.
*
Bradford and it's region has 5,800 listed buildings,and Bradford City centre has some beautiful buildings.The Wool Exchange and City Hall being prime examples
*

Just how much culture and superb countryside can one city and it's region have,in Bradford's case it has plenty.
*
The picture painted by some on here is not a true reflection of either the City of Bradford or it's surrounding region.
*
St Georges Hall is the oldest concert hall in the UK AND THE THIRD OLDEST IN THE WHOLE OF EUROPE.e
[quote][p][bold]6teddies[/bold] wrote: Remember the leaflets that went about or was it a magazine? Anyhow it said Bradford Bouncing Back and yes they got it right =Bouncing back into the gutter!!. I wonder if the councilors shop in Bradford?[/p][/quote]Th Bradford City Region has been given the accolade of being the first UNESCO CITY of FILM. * The BRADFORD Media Museum is the most visited museum outside London * Bradford has a lower crime rate than Leeds. * Bradford is the Birth Place of the Bronte Sisters,the house being located on Market Street in Thornton,it's a grade 2 listed building.. * They wrote their books while living at Haworth Parsonage which is within the Bradford City Region.Haworth is trying to get UNESCO WORLD HERITAGE SITE RECOGNITION. * JB Priestley the novelist. * Frederick Delius the composer. * Bradford has the UNESCO WORLD HERITAGE SITE AT SALTAIRE. * The world renowned artist David Hockney a Bradfordian has paintings displayed in Salts Mill. * Bradford and it's region has 5,800 listed buildings,and Bradford City centre has some beautiful buildings.The Wool Exchange and City Hall being prime examples * Just how much culture and superb countryside can one city and it's region have,in Bradford's case it has plenty. * The picture painted by some on here is not a true reflection of either the City of Bradford or it's surrounding region. * St Georges Hall is the oldest concert hall in the UK AND THE THIRD OLDEST IN THE WHOLE OF EUROPE.e bcfc1903
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9:15am Thu 24 Jan 13

Pondlover says...

Going back to retail, because that was what the debate was originally about.

IMO footfall is still dropping, I suppose at some point when it reaches it's nadir and hardly anybody at all is there, some will be able to confidently and correctly claim that footfall is no longer dropping but has stabilised!

I am prepared to accept (but still doubt it) that the Kirkgate centre may well have had an increase in footfall, but would suggest that that would be down to the lessening of shopping opportunities outside of it. It is having a long overdue makeover so that is some good news.
Going back to retail, because that was what the debate was originally about. IMO footfall is still dropping, I suppose at some point when it reaches it's nadir and hardly anybody at all is there, some will be able to confidently and correctly claim that footfall is no longer dropping but has stabilised! I am prepared to accept (but still doubt it) that the Kirkgate centre may well have had an increase in footfall, but would suggest that that would be down to the lessening of shopping opportunities outside of it. It is having a long overdue makeover so that is some good news. Pondlover
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9:30am Thu 24 Jan 13

bcfc1903 says...

Pondlover wrote:
Going back to retail, because that was what the debate was originally about.

IMO footfall is still dropping, I suppose at some point when it reaches it's nadir and hardly anybody at all is there, some will be able to confidently and correctly claim that footfall is no longer dropping but has stabilised!

I am prepared to accept (but still doubt it) that the Kirkgate centre may well have had an increase in footfall, but would suggest that that would be down to the lessening of shopping opportunities outside of it. It is having a long overdue makeover so that is some good news.
IMO and the Kirkgate centre...plus Government official figures of three years ago..money spent in Bradford retail outlets was actually rising not dropping......The idea that hardly anyone is shopping in Bradford is actually untrue...10's of thousands shop in Bradford city centre each week. You may not like that fact but of course it is true. Agree about the proposed makeover of the building...that has to be good news.
[quote][p][bold]Pondlover[/bold] wrote: Going back to retail, because that was what the debate was originally about. IMO footfall is still dropping, I suppose at some point when it reaches it's nadir and hardly anybody at all is there, some will be able to confidently and correctly claim that footfall is no longer dropping but has stabilised! I am prepared to accept (but still doubt it) that the Kirkgate centre may well have had an increase in footfall, but would suggest that that would be down to the lessening of shopping opportunities outside of it. It is having a long overdue makeover so that is some good news.[/p][/quote]IMO and the Kirkgate centre...plus Government official figures of three years ago..money spent in Bradford retail outlets was actually rising not dropping......The idea that hardly anyone is shopping in Bradford is actually untrue...10's of thousands shop in Bradford city centre each week. You may not like that fact but of course it is true. Agree about the proposed makeover of the building...that has to be good news. bcfc1903
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11:33am Thu 24 Jan 13

Pondlover says...

But then we go back to square one............if money spent in retail outlets was really rising, the shops would not be closing and other chains would view Bradford as an "opportunity" and open here. In reality the opposite is happening. I am trying to come towards you as I don't like the "Bradford is 100% rubbish" posts but you ahve got to be sensible!

The Kirkgate makoever is very good news, I have heard that the exterior (which is dismal)is to be vastly improved, that will be good news for Godwin/Darley St as well as Kirkgate.
But then we go back to square one............if money spent in retail outlets was really rising, the shops would not be closing and other chains would view Bradford as an "opportunity" and open here. In reality the opposite is happening. I am trying to come towards you as I don't like the "Bradford is 100% rubbish" posts but you ahve got to be sensible! The Kirkgate makoever is very good news, I have heard that the exterior (which is dismal)is to be vastly improved, that will be good news for Godwin/Darley St as well as Kirkgate. Pondlover
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1:17pm Thu 24 Jan 13

alfucham says...

Pondlover wrote:
But then we go back to square one............if money spent in retail outlets was really rising, the shops would not be closing and other chains would view Bradford as an "opportunity" and open here. In reality the opposite is happening. I am trying to come towards you as I don't like the "Bradford is 100% rubbish" posts but you ahve got to be sensible! The Kirkgate makoever is very good news, I have heard that the exterior (which is dismal)is to be vastly improved, that will be good news for Godwin/Darley St as well as Kirkgate.
We all agree noone wants to have to rubbish our home city.

But you correctly point out everything is closing and if starbucks and waterstones goes how can any major multiple retailer have any confidence to return or set up in the city

Things have now fallen to almost that nadir point you refer to.

We can have our history and wonderfull architecture that is indeed everywhere still but that counts for little when things have got so bad.
[quote][p][bold]Pondlover[/bold] wrote: But then we go back to square one............if money spent in retail outlets was really rising, the shops would not be closing and other chains would view Bradford as an "opportunity" and open here. In reality the opposite is happening. I am trying to come towards you as I don't like the "Bradford is 100% rubbish" posts but you ahve got to be sensible! The Kirkgate makoever is very good news, I have heard that the exterior (which is dismal)is to be vastly improved, that will be good news for Godwin/Darley St as well as Kirkgate.[/p][/quote]We all agree noone wants to have to rubbish our home city. But you correctly point out everything is closing and if starbucks and waterstones goes how can any major multiple retailer have any confidence to return or set up in the city Things have now fallen to almost that nadir point you refer to. We can have our history and wonderfull architecture that is indeed everywhere still but that counts for little when things have got so bad. alfucham
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4:08pm Thu 24 Jan 13

bcfc1903 says...

Pondlover wrote:
But then we go back to square one............if money spent in retail outlets was really rising, the shops would not be closing and other chains would view Bradford as an "opportunity" and open here. In reality the opposite is happening. I am trying to come towards you as I don't like the "Bradford is 100% rubbish" posts but you ahve got to be sensible!

The Kirkgate makoever is very good news, I have heard that the exterior (which is dismal)is to be vastly improved, that will be good news for Godwin/Darley St as well as Kirkgate.
Yes you have got to be sensible...try being.....Obviously if you take in the government figures of three years ago..they simply do not lie...add in what the Kirkgate centre said recently about footfall and the retail outlets...the idea that the City Park wouldn't have any bearing on Bradford city centre foofall is ludicrous and thats being kind to your thin argument which is backed by nothing as far as i can see. Yes some shops have gone to the wall...but those for the most part are national footfall problems not specific to Bradford.
[quote][p][bold]Pondlover[/bold] wrote: But then we go back to square one............if money spent in retail outlets was really rising, the shops would not be closing and other chains would view Bradford as an "opportunity" and open here. In reality the opposite is happening. I am trying to come towards you as I don't like the "Bradford is 100% rubbish" posts but you ahve got to be sensible! The Kirkgate makoever is very good news, I have heard that the exterior (which is dismal)is to be vastly improved, that will be good news for Godwin/Darley St as well as Kirkgate.[/p][/quote]Yes you have got to be sensible...try being.....Obviously if you take in the government figures of three years ago..they simply do not lie...add in what the Kirkgate centre said recently about footfall and the retail outlets...the idea that the City Park wouldn't have any bearing on Bradford city centre foofall is ludicrous and thats being kind to your thin argument which is backed by nothing as far as i can see. Yes some shops have gone to the wall...but those for the most part are national footfall problems not specific to Bradford. bcfc1903
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4:15pm Thu 24 Jan 13

bcfc1903 says...

alfucham wrote:
Pondlover wrote:
But then we go back to square one............if money spent in retail outlets was really rising, the shops would not be closing and other chains would view Bradford as an "opportunity" and open here. In reality the opposite is happening. I am trying to come towards you as I don't like the "Bradford is 100% rubbish" posts but you ahve got to be sensible! The Kirkgate makoever is very good news, I have heard that the exterior (which is dismal)is to be vastly improved, that will be good news for Godwin/Darley St as well as Kirkgate.
We all agree noone wants to have to rubbish our home city.

But you correctly point out everything is closing and if starbucks and waterstones goes how can any major multiple retailer have any confidence to return or set up in the city

Things have now fallen to almost that nadir point you refer to.

We can have our history and wonderfull architecture that is indeed everywhere still but that counts for little when things have got so bad.
Alf...i see your off the pipe...that post was almost worth reading...still crap mind...

**

Th Bradford City Region has been given the accolade of being the first UNESCO CITY of FILM.
*
The BRADFORD Media Museum is the most visited museum outside London

*
Bradford has a lower crime rate ion percentage terms than Manchester or Leeds.
*
Bradford is the Birth Place of the Bronte Sisters,the house being located on Market Street in Thornton,it's a grade 2 listed building..


*
They wrote their books while living at Haworth Parsonage which is within the Bradford City Region.Haworth is trying to get UNESCO WORLD HERITAGE SITE RECOGNITION.
*
JB Priestley the novelist.
*
Sir William Rothenstein (29 January 1872 – 14 February 1945) was an English painter, draughtsman and writer on art.

*
Frederick Delius the composer.

*
Bradford has the UNESCO WORLD HERITAGE SITE AT SALTAIRE.
*
The world renowned artist David Hockney a Bradfordian has paintings displayed in Salts Mill.
*
Bradford and it's region has 5,800 listed buildings,and Bradford City centre has some beautiful buildings.The Wool Exchange and City Hall being prime examples
*

Just how much culture and superb countryside can one city and it's region have,in Bradford's case it has plenty.
*
The picture painted by some on here is not a true reflection of either the City of Bradford or it's surrounding region.
*
St Georges Hall is the oldest concert hall in the UK AND THE THIRD OLDEST IN THE WHOLE OF EUROPE
[quote][p][bold]alfucham[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pondlover[/bold] wrote: But then we go back to square one............if money spent in retail outlets was really rising, the shops would not be closing and other chains would view Bradford as an "opportunity" and open here. In reality the opposite is happening. I am trying to come towards you as I don't like the "Bradford is 100% rubbish" posts but you ahve got to be sensible! The Kirkgate makoever is very good news, I have heard that the exterior (which is dismal)is to be vastly improved, that will be good news for Godwin/Darley St as well as Kirkgate.[/p][/quote]We all agree noone wants to have to rubbish our home city. But you correctly point out everything is closing and if starbucks and waterstones goes how can any major multiple retailer have any confidence to return or set up in the city Things have now fallen to almost that nadir point you refer to. We can have our history and wonderfull architecture that is indeed everywhere still but that counts for little when things have got so bad.[/p][/quote]Alf...i see your off the pipe...that post was almost worth reading...still crap mind... ** Th Bradford City Region has been given the accolade of being the first UNESCO CITY of FILM. * The BRADFORD Media Museum is the most visited museum outside London * Bradford has a lower crime rate ion percentage terms than Manchester or Leeds. * Bradford is the Birth Place of the Bronte Sisters,the house being located on Market Street in Thornton,it's a grade 2 listed building.. * They wrote their books while living at Haworth Parsonage which is within the Bradford City Region.Haworth is trying to get UNESCO WORLD HERITAGE SITE RECOGNITION. * JB Priestley the novelist. * Sir William Rothenstein (29 January 1872 – 14 February 1945) was an English painter, draughtsman and writer on art. * Frederick Delius the composer. * Bradford has the UNESCO WORLD HERITAGE SITE AT SALTAIRE. * The world renowned artist David Hockney a Bradfordian has paintings displayed in Salts Mill. * Bradford and it's region has 5,800 listed buildings,and Bradford City centre has some beautiful buildings.The Wool Exchange and City Hall being prime examples * Just how much culture and superb countryside can one city and it's region have,in Bradford's case it has plenty. * The picture painted by some on here is not a true reflection of either the City of Bradford or it's surrounding region. * St Georges Hall is the oldest concert hall in the UK AND THE THIRD OLDEST IN THE WHOLE OF EUROPE bcfc1903
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4:22pm Thu 24 Jan 13

Andy2010 says...

bcfc1903 wrote:
alfucham wrote:
Pondlover wrote:
But then we go back to square one............if money spent in retail outlets was really rising, the shops would not be closing and other chains would view Bradford as an "opportunity" and open here. In reality the opposite is happening. I am trying to come towards you as I don't like the "Bradford is 100% rubbish" posts but you ahve got to be sensible! The Kirkgate makoever is very good news, I have heard that the exterior (which is dismal)is to be vastly improved, that will be good news for Godwin/Darley St as well as Kirkgate.
We all agree noone wants to have to rubbish our home city.

But you correctly point out everything is closing and if starbucks and waterstones goes how can any major multiple retailer have any confidence to return or set up in the city

Things have now fallen to almost that nadir point you refer to.

We can have our history and wonderfull architecture that is indeed everywhere still but that counts for little when things have got so bad.
Alf...i see your off the pipe...that post was almost worth reading...still crap mind...

**

Th Bradford City Region has been given the accolade of being the first UNESCO CITY of FILM.
*
The BRADFORD Media Museum is the most visited museum outside London

*
Bradford has a lower crime rate ion percentage terms than Manchester or Leeds.
*
Bradford is the Birth Place of the Bronte Sisters,the house being located on Market Street in Thornton,it's a grade 2 listed building..


*
They wrote their books while living at Haworth Parsonage which is within the Bradford City Region.Haworth is trying to get UNESCO WORLD HERITAGE SITE RECOGNITION.
*
JB Priestley the novelist.
*
Sir William Rothenstein (29 January 1872 – 14 February 1945) was an English painter, draughtsman and writer on art.

*
Frederick Delius the composer.

*
Bradford has the UNESCO WORLD HERITAGE SITE AT SALTAIRE.
*
The world renowned artist David Hockney a Bradfordian has paintings displayed in Salts Mill.
*
Bradford and it's region has 5,800 listed buildings,and Bradford City centre has some beautiful buildings.The Wool Exchange and City Hall being prime examples
*

Just how much culture and superb countryside can one city and it's region have,in Bradford's case it has plenty.
*
The picture painted by some on here is not a true reflection of either the City of Bradford or it's surrounding region.
*
St Georges Hall is the oldest concert hall in the UK AND THE THIRD OLDEST IN THE WHOLE OF EUROPE
Wonderful history lesson but doesnt change the fact its a dump
[quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alfucham[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pondlover[/bold] wrote: But then we go back to square one............if money spent in retail outlets was really rising, the shops would not be closing and other chains would view Bradford as an "opportunity" and open here. In reality the opposite is happening. I am trying to come towards you as I don't like the "Bradford is 100% rubbish" posts but you ahve got to be sensible! The Kirkgate makoever is very good news, I have heard that the exterior (which is dismal)is to be vastly improved, that will be good news for Godwin/Darley St as well as Kirkgate.[/p][/quote]We all agree noone wants to have to rubbish our home city. But you correctly point out everything is closing and if starbucks and waterstones goes how can any major multiple retailer have any confidence to return or set up in the city Things have now fallen to almost that nadir point you refer to. We can have our history and wonderfull architecture that is indeed everywhere still but that counts for little when things have got so bad.[/p][/quote]Alf...i see your off the pipe...that post was almost worth reading...still crap mind... ** Th Bradford City Region has been given the accolade of being the first UNESCO CITY of FILM. * The BRADFORD Media Museum is the most visited museum outside London * Bradford has a lower crime rate ion percentage terms than Manchester or Leeds. * Bradford is the Birth Place of the Bronte Sisters,the house being located on Market Street in Thornton,it's a grade 2 listed building.. * They wrote their books while living at Haworth Parsonage which is within the Bradford City Region.Haworth is trying to get UNESCO WORLD HERITAGE SITE RECOGNITION. * JB Priestley the novelist. * Sir William Rothenstein (29 January 1872 – 14 February 1945) was an English painter, draughtsman and writer on art. * Frederick Delius the composer. * Bradford has the UNESCO WORLD HERITAGE SITE AT SALTAIRE. * The world renowned artist David Hockney a Bradfordian has paintings displayed in Salts Mill. * Bradford and it's region has 5,800 listed buildings,and Bradford City centre has some beautiful buildings.The Wool Exchange and City Hall being prime examples * Just how much culture and superb countryside can one city and it's region have,in Bradford's case it has plenty. * The picture painted by some on here is not a true reflection of either the City of Bradford or it's surrounding region. * St Georges Hall is the oldest concert hall in the UK AND THE THIRD OLDEST IN THE WHOLE OF EUROPE[/p][/quote]Wonderful history lesson but doesnt change the fact its a dump Andy2010
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5:39pm Thu 24 Jan 13

Pondlover says...

bcfc1903 wrote:
Pondlover wrote:
But then we go back to square one............if money spent in retail outlets was really rising, the shops would not be closing and other chains would view Bradford as an "opportunity" and open here. In reality the opposite is happening. I am trying to come towards you as I don't like the "Bradford is 100% rubbish" posts but you ahve got to be sensible!

The Kirkgate makoever is very good news, I have heard that the exterior (which is dismal)is to be vastly improved, that will be good news for Godwin/Darley St as well as Kirkgate.
Yes you have got to be sensible...try being.....Obviously if you take in the government figures of three years ago..they simply do not lie...add in what the Kirkgate centre said recently about footfall and the retail outlets...the idea that the City Park wouldn't have any bearing on Bradford city centre foofall is ludicrous and thats being kind to your thin argument which is backed by nothing as far as i can see. Yes some shops have gone to the wall...but those for the most part are national footfall problems not specific to Bradford.
I am sensible thank you, it is not sensible to claim Bradford is getting busier and retail takings are increasing whilst shops are closing...........it just doesn't happen, anywhere.

The link please, the one you keep mentioning, even though it's 3 years old and umpteen stores have left since then, I would like to read it.

Anyway, retail in Bradford is failing, clearly, I was there today. Anybody any ideas as to what the centre and it's buildings could be used for, post-retail?
[quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pondlover[/bold] wrote: But then we go back to square one............if money spent in retail outlets was really rising, the shops would not be closing and other chains would view Bradford as an "opportunity" and open here. In reality the opposite is happening. I am trying to come towards you as I don't like the "Bradford is 100% rubbish" posts but you ahve got to be sensible! The Kirkgate makoever is very good news, I have heard that the exterior (which is dismal)is to be vastly improved, that will be good news for Godwin/Darley St as well as Kirkgate.[/p][/quote]Yes you have got to be sensible...try being.....Obviously if you take in the government figures of three years ago..they simply do not lie...add in what the Kirkgate centre said recently about footfall and the retail outlets...the idea that the City Park wouldn't have any bearing on Bradford city centre foofall is ludicrous and thats being kind to your thin argument which is backed by nothing as far as i can see. Yes some shops have gone to the wall...but those for the most part are national footfall problems not specific to Bradford.[/p][/quote]I am sensible thank you, it is not sensible to claim Bradford is getting busier and retail takings are increasing whilst shops are closing...........it just doesn't happen, anywhere. The link please, the one you keep mentioning, even though it's 3 years old and umpteen stores have left since then, I would like to read it. Anyway, retail in Bradford is failing, clearly, I was there today. Anybody any ideas as to what the centre and it's buildings could be used for, post-retail? Pondlover
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8:54pm Thu 24 Jan 13

bcfc1903 says...

I'm also sensible....and of course it is sensible to use figures to back up a claim....you'll have to find the figures yourself regarding the Bradford city centre increase in retail sales of around three years ago.....they moved up five places in the table supplied.....regardi
ng the Kirkgate Shopping Centre...they said footfall has increased since the City Park opened...i believe Bradford City Council also has realesed figures recently suggesting an increase in footfall in Bradford city centre....The Media Museum released figures recently say they had a large increase in visitors over the last six months...you may see a pattern emerging. Regarding shop closing...you'll find most are national firms going into administration...har
dly something Bradford can control...as for the others..no ones saying everything in the Bradford garden is rosey...but reading the absolute garbage posted by most in this thread....basically folk making it up as they go along..pretty disgusting stuff with very little class or truth attached to the comments. I'm sure you being there today does not mean retail in Bradford is failing...that of course is a false premise....it's just your opinion...mine at least is backed up by facts and if you care to look...figures.
I'm also sensible....and of course it is sensible to use figures to back up a claim....you'll have to find the figures yourself regarding the Bradford city centre increase in retail sales of around three years ago.....they moved up five places in the table supplied.....regardi ng the Kirkgate Shopping Centre...they said footfall has increased since the City Park opened...i believe Bradford City Council also has realesed figures recently suggesting an increase in footfall in Bradford city centre....The Media Museum released figures recently say they had a large increase in visitors over the last six months...you may see a pattern emerging. Regarding shop closing...you'll find most are national firms going into administration...har dly something Bradford can control...as for the others..no ones saying everything in the Bradford garden is rosey...but reading the absolute garbage posted by most in this thread....basically folk making it up as they go along..pretty disgusting stuff with very little class or truth attached to the comments. I'm sure you being there today does not mean retail in Bradford is failing...that of course is a false premise....it's just your opinion...mine at least is backed up by facts and if you care to look...figures. bcfc1903
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9:06pm Thu 24 Jan 13

bcfc1903 says...

Andy2010 wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote:
alfucham wrote:
Pondlover wrote:
But then we go back to square one............if money spent in retail outlets was really rising, the shops would not be closing and other chains would view Bradford as an "opportunity" and open here. In reality the opposite is happening. I am trying to come towards you as I don't like the "Bradford is 100% rubbish" posts but you ahve got to be sensible! The Kirkgate makoever is very good news, I have heard that the exterior (which is dismal)is to be vastly improved, that will be good news for Godwin/Darley St as well as Kirkgate.
We all agree noone wants to have to rubbish our home city.

But you correctly point out everything is closing and if starbucks and waterstones goes how can any major multiple retailer have any confidence to return or set up in the city

Things have now fallen to almost that nadir point you refer to.

We can have our history and wonderfull architecture that is indeed everywhere still but that counts for little when things have got so bad.
Alf...i see your off the pipe...that post was almost worth reading...still crap mind...

**

Th Bradford City Region has been given the accolade of being the first UNESCO CITY of FILM.
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The BRADFORD Media Museum is the most visited museum outside London

*
Bradford has a lower crime rate ion percentage terms than Manchester or Leeds.
*
Bradford is the Birth Place of the Bronte Sisters,the house being located on Market Street in Thornton,it's a grade 2 listed building..


*
They wrote their books while living at Haworth Parsonage which is within the Bradford City Region.Haworth is trying to get UNESCO WORLD HERITAGE SITE RECOGNITION.
*
JB Priestley the novelist.
*
Sir William Rothenstein (29 January 1872 – 14 February 1945) was an English painter, draughtsman and writer on art.

*
Frederick Delius the composer.

*
Bradford has the UNESCO WORLD HERITAGE SITE AT SALTAIRE.
*
The world renowned artist David Hockney a Bradfordian has paintings displayed in Salts Mill.
*
Bradford and it's region has 5,800 listed buildings,and Bradford City centre has some beautiful buildings.The Wool Exchange and City Hall being prime examples
*

Just how much culture and superb countryside can one city and it's region have,in Bradford's case it has plenty.
*
The picture painted by some on here is not a true reflection of either the City of Bradford or it's surrounding region.
*
St Georges Hall is the oldest concert hall in the UK AND THE THIRD OLDEST IN THE WHOLE OF EUROPE
Wonderful history lesson but doesnt change the fact its a dump
OF course history plays a big part in the City of Bradford.

**

Th Bradford City Region has been given the accolade of being the first UNESCO CITY of FILM.
*
The BRADFORD Media Museum is the most visited museum outside London

*
Bradford has a lower crime rate in percentage terms than Manchester and Leeds.
*
Bradford is the Birth Place of the Bronte Sisters,the house being located on Market Street in Thornton,it's a grade 2 listed building..


*
They wrote their books while living at Haworth Parsonage which is within the Bradford City Region.Haworth is trying to get UNESCO WORLD HERITAGE SITE RECOGNITION.
*
JB Priestley the novelist.
*
Frederick Delius the composer.

*
Sir William Rothenstein (29 January 1872 – 14 February 1945) was an English painter, draughtsman and writer on art.
*
Sir Jacob Behrens, Jacob Unna, Chales Semon, Sir Titus Salt, Jacob Moser. Five great Bradford industrialists.

*
Bradford has the UNESCO WORLD HERITAGE SITE AT SALTAIRE.
*
The world renowned artist David Hockney a Bradfordian has paintings displayed in Salts Mill.
*
Bradford and it's region has 5,800 listed buildings,and Bradford City centre has some beautiful buildings.The Wool Exchange and City Hall being prime examples
*

Just how much culture and superb countryside can one city and it's region have,in Bradford's case it has plenty.
*
The picture painted by some on here is not a true reflection of either the City of Bradford or it's surrounding region.
*
St Georges Hall is the oldest concert hall in the UK AND THE THIRD OLDEST IN THE WHOLE OF EUROPE.
[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alfucham[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pondlover[/bold] wrote: But then we go back to square one............if money spent in retail outlets was really rising, the shops would not be closing and other chains would view Bradford as an "opportunity" and open here. In reality the opposite is happening. I am trying to come towards you as I don't like the "Bradford is 100% rubbish" posts but you ahve got to be sensible! The Kirkgate makoever is very good news, I have heard that the exterior (which is dismal)is to be vastly improved, that will be good news for Godwin/Darley St as well as Kirkgate.[/p][/quote]We all agree noone wants to have to rubbish our home city. But you correctly point out everything is closing and if starbucks and waterstones goes how can any major multiple retailer have any confidence to return or set up in the city Things have now fallen to almost that nadir point you refer to. We can have our history and wonderfull architecture that is indeed everywhere still but that counts for little when things have got so bad.[/p][/quote]Alf...i see your off the pipe...that post was almost worth reading...still crap mind... ** Th Bradford City Region has been given the accolade of being the first UNESCO CITY of FILM. * The BRADFORD Media Museum is the most visited museum outside London * Bradford has a lower crime rate ion percentage terms than Manchester or Leeds. * Bradford is the Birth Place of the Bronte Sisters,the house being located on Market Street in Thornton,it's a grade 2 listed building.. * They wrote their books while living at Haworth Parsonage which is within the Bradford City Region.Haworth is trying to get UNESCO WORLD HERITAGE SITE RECOGNITION. * JB Priestley the novelist. * Sir William Rothenstein (29 January 1872 – 14 February 1945) was an English painter, draughtsman and writer on art. * Frederick Delius the composer. * Bradford has the UNESCO WORLD HERITAGE SITE AT SALTAIRE. * The world renowned artist David Hockney a Bradfordian has paintings displayed in Salts Mill. * Bradford and it's region has 5,800 listed buildings,and Bradford City centre has some beautiful buildings.The Wool Exchange and City Hall being prime examples * Just how much culture and superb countryside can one city and it's region have,in Bradford's case it has plenty. * The picture painted by some on here is not a true reflection of either the City of Bradford or it's surrounding region. * St Georges Hall is the oldest concert hall in the UK AND THE THIRD OLDEST IN THE WHOLE OF EUROPE[/p][/quote]Wonderful history lesson but doesnt change the fact its a dump[/p][/quote]OF course history plays a big part in the City of Bradford. ** Th Bradford City Region has been given the accolade of being the first UNESCO CITY of FILM. * The BRADFORD Media Museum is the most visited museum outside London * Bradford has a lower crime rate in percentage terms than Manchester and Leeds. * Bradford is the Birth Place of the Bronte Sisters,the house being located on Market Street in Thornton,it's a grade 2 listed building.. * They wrote their books while living at Haworth Parsonage which is within the Bradford City Region.Haworth is trying to get UNESCO WORLD HERITAGE SITE RECOGNITION. * JB Priestley the novelist. * Frederick Delius the composer. * Sir William Rothenstein (29 January 1872 – 14 February 1945) was an English painter, draughtsman and writer on art. * Sir Jacob Behrens, Jacob Unna, Chales Semon, Sir Titus Salt, Jacob Moser. Five great Bradford industrialists. * Bradford has the UNESCO WORLD HERITAGE SITE AT SALTAIRE. * The world renowned artist David Hockney a Bradfordian has paintings displayed in Salts Mill. * Bradford and it's region has 5,800 listed buildings,and Bradford City centre has some beautiful buildings.The Wool Exchange and City Hall being prime examples * Just how much culture and superb countryside can one city and it's region have,in Bradford's case it has plenty. * The picture painted by some on here is not a true reflection of either the City of Bradford or it's surrounding region. * St Georges Hall is the oldest concert hall in the UK AND THE THIRD OLDEST IN THE WHOLE OF EUROPE. bcfc1903
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2:05am Fri 25 Jan 13

Not so simple says...

bcfc1903 wrote:
Not so simple wrote:
alfucham wrote:
A one man campaigner for sticking up for Bradford Council claims that all in the pond is rosy.

Good old BCFC 1903.

Thank god my old pal Mark Lawn has something to smile about after all these years of seeing his family life savings slowly drip down the drain for several years mirroring the city fortunes.

I gues City"s success is why good old BCFC 1903 refuses to see the deriliction we all do with gangs everywhere.

Another trial reporting today of alleged grooming rape of more 14 year old schoolgirls.

The sort of behaviour your very own Great Mp Anne Cryer was decrying 10 years back BCFC 1903.

And social Services and the police stated official statitistics and records did not supoort.

Just as with Jimmy Saville ity shows the records were there.But were shuvvled under"t carpet.For fear to bring out and face the truth.

As Hillsbrough victims have waited 23 years for truth and justice denied by lying police officers who released nonsense to the press that fans from Liverpool were seen urinating on bodies and stealing the wallets of the dead and dying.

Dont talk to mea bout official reports BCFC 1903.

There not worth the paper there written on.

Society will always be controlled by the establishment.

Cronies as you are easily fooled
Right on. Now where's them mail order Bradford blinkers!
Th Bradford City Region has been given the accolade of being the first UNESCO CITY of FILM.
*
The BRADFORD Media Museum is the most visited museum outside London

*
Bradford has a lower crime rate than Leeds.
*
Bradford is the Birth Place of the Bronte Sisters,the house being located on Market Street in Thornton,it's a grade 2 listed building..


*
They wrote their books while living at Haworth Parsonage which is within the Bradford City Region.Haworth is trying to get UNESCO WORLD HERITAGE SITE RECOGNITION.
*
JB Priestley the novelist.
*
Frederick Delius the composer.

*
Bradford has the UNESCO WORLD HERITAGE SITE AT SALTAIRE.
*
The world renowned artist David Hockney a Bradfordian has paintings displayed in Salts Mill.
*
Bradford and it's region has 5,800 listed buildings,and Bradford City centre has some beautiful buildings.The Wool Exchange and City Hall being prime examples
*

Just how much culture and superb countryside can one city and it's region have,in Bradford's case it has plenty.
*
The picture painted by some on here is not a true reflection of either the City of Bradford or it's surrounding region.
*
St Georges Hall is the oldest concert hall in the UK AND THE THIRD OLDEST IN THE WHOLE OF EUROPE.e
May I borrow your tinted shades, cheers
[quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Not so simple[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alfucham[/bold] wrote: A one man campaigner for sticking up for Bradford Council claims that all in the pond is rosy. Good old BCFC 1903. Thank god my old pal Mark Lawn has something to smile about after all these years of seeing his family life savings slowly drip down the drain for several years mirroring the city fortunes. I gues City"s success is why good old BCFC 1903 refuses to see the deriliction we all do with gangs everywhere. Another trial reporting today of alleged grooming rape of more 14 year old schoolgirls. The sort of behaviour your very own Great Mp Anne Cryer was decrying 10 years back BCFC 1903. And social Services and the police stated official statitistics and records did not supoort. Just as with Jimmy Saville ity shows the records were there.But were shuvvled under"t carpet.For fear to bring out and face the truth. As Hillsbrough victims have waited 23 years for truth and justice denied by lying police officers who released nonsense to the press that fans from Liverpool were seen urinating on bodies and stealing the wallets of the dead and dying. Dont talk to mea bout official reports BCFC 1903. There not worth the paper there written on. Society will always be controlled by the establishment. Cronies as you are easily fooled[/p][/quote]Right on. Now where's them mail order Bradford blinkers![/p][/quote]Th Bradford City Region has been given the accolade of being the first UNESCO CITY of FILM. * The BRADFORD Media Museum is the most visited museum outside London * Bradford has a lower crime rate than Leeds. * Bradford is the Birth Place of the Bronte Sisters,the house being located on Market Street in Thornton,it's a grade 2 listed building.. * They wrote their books while living at Haworth Parsonage which is within the Bradford City Region.Haworth is trying to get UNESCO WORLD HERITAGE SITE RECOGNITION. * JB Priestley the novelist. * Frederick Delius the composer. * Bradford has the UNESCO WORLD HERITAGE SITE AT SALTAIRE. * The world renowned artist David Hockney a Bradfordian has paintings displayed in Salts Mill. * Bradford and it's region has 5,800 listed buildings,and Bradford City centre has some beautiful buildings.The Wool Exchange and City Hall being prime examples * Just how much culture and superb countryside can one city and it's region have,in Bradford's case it has plenty. * The picture painted by some on here is not a true reflection of either the City of Bradford or it's surrounding region. * St Georges Hall is the oldest concert hall in the UK AND THE THIRD OLDEST IN THE WHOLE OF EUROPE.e[/p][/quote]May I borrow your tinted shades, cheers Not so simple
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8:22am Fri 25 Jan 13

Pondlover says...

1903, I quoted from and attached a link from Bradford council, if you want to claim "facts" from a link, you should at least be able to provide it!

This thread shows why Bradford will never motivate enough public spirit to effect change.

Some are saying Bradford centre is a dump, beyond hope and some are saying "There is nothing much wrong with it". It's incredible and of course, both points of view are as stupid as the other.

There is big middle ground if everybody would like to meet in it......... before it really is finished.
1903, I quoted from and attached a link from Bradford council, if you want to claim "facts" from a link, you should at least be able to provide it! This thread shows why Bradford will never motivate enough public spirit to effect change. Some are saying Bradford centre is a dump, beyond hope and some are saying "There is nothing much wrong with it". It's incredible and of course, both points of view are as stupid as the other. There is big middle ground if everybody would like to meet in it......... before it really is finished. Pondlover
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7:01pm Fri 25 Jan 13

bcfc1903 says...

Not so simple wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote:
Not so simple wrote:
alfucham wrote:
A one man campaigner for sticking up for Bradford Council claims that all in the pond is rosy.

Good old BCFC 1903.

Thank god my old pal Mark Lawn has something to smile about after all these years of seeing his family life savings slowly drip down the drain for several years mirroring the city fortunes.

I gues City"s success is why good old BCFC 1903 refuses to see the deriliction we all do with gangs everywhere.

Another trial reporting today of alleged grooming rape of more 14 year old schoolgirls.

The sort of behaviour your very own Great Mp Anne Cryer was decrying 10 years back BCFC 1903.

And social Services and the police stated official statitistics and records did not supoort.

Just as with Jimmy Saville ity shows the records were there.But were shuvvled under"t carpet.For fear to bring out and face the truth.

As Hillsbrough victims have waited 23 years for truth and justice denied by lying police officers who released nonsense to the press that fans from Liverpool were seen urinating on bodies and stealing the wallets of the dead and dying.

Dont talk to mea bout official reports BCFC 1903.

There not worth the paper there written on.

Society will always be controlled by the establishment.

Cronies as you are easily fooled
Right on. Now where's them mail order Bradford blinkers!
Th Bradford City Region has been given the accolade of being the first UNESCO CITY of FILM.
*
The BRADFORD Media Museum is the most visited museum outside London

*
Bradford has a lower crime rate than Leeds.
*
Bradford is the Birth Place of the Bronte Sisters,the house being located on Market Street in Thornton,it's a grade 2 listed building..


*
They wrote their books while living at Haworth Parsonage which is within the Bradford City Region.Haworth is trying to get UNESCO WORLD HERITAGE SITE RECOGNITION.
*
JB Priestley the novelist.
*
Frederick Delius the composer.

*
Bradford has the UNESCO WORLD HERITAGE SITE AT SALTAIRE.
*
The world renowned artist David Hockney a Bradfordian has paintings displayed in Salts Mill.
*
Bradford and it's region has 5,800 listed buildings,and Bradford City centre has some beautiful buildings.The Wool Exchange and City Hall being prime examples
*

Just how much culture and superb countryside can one city and it's region have,in Bradford's case it has plenty.
*
The picture painted by some on here is not a true reflection of either the City of Bradford or it's surrounding region.
*
St Georges Hall is the oldest concert hall in the UK AND THE THIRD OLDEST IN THE WHOLE OF EUROPE.e
May I borrow your tinted shades, cheers
I guess the truth about Bradford and it's history doesn't sit that well with folk who never have a good word to say for our fair city. My city building heroes may be long gone but Behrens, Unna, Moser, Salt and Semon...left a fantastic legacy which still lives on very much today in Bradford and it's fantastic architecture.

**

City Park....the biggest city centre water feature in the UK.

**

Th Bradford City Region has been given the accolade of being the first UNESCO CITY of FILM.
*
The BRADFORD Media Museum is the most visited museum outside London

*
Bradford has a lower crime rate in percentage terms than Manchester and Leeds.
*
Bradford is the Birth Place of the Bronte Sisters,the house being located on Market Street in Thornton,it's a grade 2 listed building..


*
They wrote their books while living at Haworth Parsonage which is within the Bradford City Region.Haworth is trying to get UNESCO WORLD HERITAGE SITE RECOGNITION.
*
JB Priestley the novelist.
*
Frederick Delius the composer.

*
Sir William Rothenstein (29 January 1872 – 14 February 1945) was an English painter, draughtsman and writer on art.
*
Sir Jacob Behrens, Jacob Unna, Chales Semon, Sir Titus Salt, Jacob Moser. Five great Bradford industrialists.

*
Bradford has the UNESCO WORLD HERITAGE SITE AT SALTAIRE.
*
The world renowned artist David Hockney a Bradfordian has paintings displayed in Salts Mill.
*
Bradford and it's region has 5,800 listed buildings,and Bradford City centre has some beautiful buildings.The Wool Exchange and City Hall being prime examples
*

Just how much culture and superb countryside can one city and it's region have,in Bradford's case it has plenty.
*
The picture painted by some on here is not a true reflection of either the City of Bradford or it's surrounding region.
*
St Georges Hall is the oldest concert hall in the UK AND THE THIRD OLDEST IN THE WHOLE OF EUROPE.”
[quote][p][bold]Not so simple[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Not so simple[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alfucham[/bold] wrote: A one man campaigner for sticking up for Bradford Council claims that all in the pond is rosy. Good old BCFC 1903. Thank god my old pal Mark Lawn has something to smile about after all these years of seeing his family life savings slowly drip down the drain for several years mirroring the city fortunes. I gues City"s success is why good old BCFC 1903 refuses to see the deriliction we all do with gangs everywhere. Another trial reporting today of alleged grooming rape of more 14 year old schoolgirls. The sort of behaviour your very own Great Mp Anne Cryer was decrying 10 years back BCFC 1903. And social Services and the police stated official statitistics and records did not supoort. Just as with Jimmy Saville ity shows the records were there.But were shuvvled under"t carpet.For fear to bring out and face the truth. As Hillsbrough victims have waited 23 years for truth and justice denied by lying police officers who released nonsense to the press that fans from Liverpool were seen urinating on bodies and stealing the wallets of the dead and dying. Dont talk to mea bout official reports BCFC 1903. There not worth the paper there written on. Society will always be controlled by the establishment. Cronies as you are easily fooled[/p][/quote]Right on. Now where's them mail order Bradford blinkers![/p][/quote]Th Bradford City Region has been given the accolade of being the first UNESCO CITY of FILM. * The BRADFORD Media Museum is the most visited museum outside London * Bradford has a lower crime rate than Leeds. * Bradford is the Birth Place of the Bronte Sisters,the house being located on Market Street in Thornton,it's a grade 2 listed building.. * They wrote their books while living at Haworth Parsonage which is within the Bradford City Region.Haworth is trying to get UNESCO WORLD HERITAGE SITE RECOGNITION. * JB Priestley the novelist. * Frederick Delius the composer. * Bradford has the UNESCO WORLD HERITAGE SITE AT SALTAIRE. * The world renowned artist David Hockney a Bradfordian has paintings displayed in Salts Mill. * Bradford and it's region has 5,800 listed buildings,and Bradford City centre has some beautiful buildings.The Wool Exchange and City Hall being prime examples * Just how much culture and superb countryside can one city and it's region have,in Bradford's case it has plenty. * The picture painted by some on here is not a true reflection of either the City of Bradford or it's surrounding region. * St Georges Hall is the oldest concert hall in the UK AND THE THIRD OLDEST IN THE WHOLE OF EUROPE.e[/p][/quote]May I borrow your tinted shades, cheers[/p][/quote]I guess the truth about Bradford and it's history doesn't sit that well with folk who never have a good word to say for our fair city. My city building heroes may be long gone but Behrens, Unna, Moser, Salt and Semon...left a fantastic legacy which still lives on very much today in Bradford and it's fantastic architecture. ** City Park....the biggest city centre water feature in the UK. ** Th Bradford City Region has been given the accolade of being the first UNESCO CITY of FILM. * The BRADFORD Media Museum is the most visited museum outside London * Bradford has a lower crime rate in percentage terms than Manchester and Leeds. * Bradford is the Birth Place of the Bronte Sisters,the house being located on Market Street in Thornton,it's a grade 2 listed building.. * They wrote their books while living at Haworth Parsonage which is within the Bradford City Region.Haworth is trying to get UNESCO WORLD HERITAGE SITE RECOGNITION. * JB Priestley the novelist. * Frederick Delius the composer. * Sir William Rothenstein (29 January 1872 – 14 February 1945) was an English painter, draughtsman and writer on art. * Sir Jacob Behrens, Jacob Unna, Chales Semon, Sir Titus Salt, Jacob Moser. Five great Bradford industrialists. * Bradford has the UNESCO WORLD HERITAGE SITE AT SALTAIRE. * The world renowned artist David Hockney a Bradfordian has paintings displayed in Salts Mill. * Bradford and it's region has 5,800 listed buildings,and Bradford City centre has some beautiful buildings.The Wool Exchange and City Hall being prime examples * Just how much culture and superb countryside can one city and it's region have,in Bradford's case it has plenty. * The picture painted by some on here is not a true reflection of either the City of Bradford or it's surrounding region. * St Georges Hall is the oldest concert hall in the UK AND THE THIRD OLDEST IN THE WHOLE OF EUROPE.” bcfc1903
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7:47pm Fri 25 Jan 13

bcfc1903 says...

Pondlover wrote:
1903, I quoted from and attached a link from Bradford council, if you want to claim "facts" from a link, you should at least be able to provide it!

This thread shows why Bradford will never motivate enough public spirit to effect change.

Some are saying Bradford centre is a dump, beyond hope and some are saying "There is nothing much wrong with it". It's incredible and of course, both points of view are as stupid as the other.

There is big middle ground if everybody would like to meet in it......... before it really is finished.
This thread isn't scientific...so to use it as an example of why Bradford can't do anything to effect change is ludicrous. Bradford has an economy of 7.5 billion....looking at that stat says to me there are plenty of motivated folk in the Bradford district to effect change. Losing a few shops isn't the end of the world...the very thing we all use... to post on this thread is causing problems on the high street natiowide. Yes Bradford city centre needs to do better, attract better quality shops...but some of the stuff posted on this thread are just cheap shots...throw away comments that are worthless. The German/German Jewish community in the mid 1800's were at the forefront in in helping to build Bradford into a great city..the legacy of the city fathers is great and far too precious to simply give up on...with it's fantastic architecture Bradford city centre has alot going for it..it needs another group of right thinking commited Bradfordians to drive the city centre forward again.
[quote][p][bold]Pondlover[/bold] wrote: 1903, I quoted from and attached a link from Bradford council, if you want to claim "facts" from a link, you should at least be able to provide it! This thread shows why Bradford will never motivate enough public spirit to effect change. Some are saying Bradford centre is a dump, beyond hope and some are saying "There is nothing much wrong with it". It's incredible and of course, both points of view are as stupid as the other. There is big middle ground if everybody would like to meet in it......... before it really is finished.[/p][/quote]This thread isn't scientific...so to use it as an example of why Bradford can't do anything to effect change is ludicrous. Bradford has an economy of 7.5 billion....looking at that stat says to me there are plenty of motivated folk in the Bradford district to effect change. Losing a few shops isn't the end of the world...the very thing we all use... to post on this thread is causing problems on the high street natiowide. Yes Bradford city centre needs to do better, attract better quality shops...but some of the stuff posted on this thread are just cheap shots...throw away comments that are worthless. The German/German Jewish community in the mid 1800's were at the forefront in in helping to build Bradford into a great city..the legacy of the city fathers is great and far too precious to simply give up on...with it's fantastic architecture Bradford city centre has alot going for it..it needs another group of right thinking commited Bradfordians to drive the city centre forward again. bcfc1903
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