Baildon play area spending plans criticised

Bradford Telegraph and Argus: Parish councillor Ian Lyons at the Southcliffe Drive play area, where he says the money should be spent Parish councillor Ian Lyons at the Southcliffe Drive play area, where he says the money should be spent

A Baildon councillor denied that Bradford Council is diverting money from the poorer part of the village to the more affluent part because people there are more likely to vote.

Parish councillor Ian Lyons made the claim that money to improve play areas in the village was not being spent where it should be – on Southcliffe Drive, a play area he says has seen little investment for decades.

Instead he accuses the three Bradford councillors of ploughing the money into the west of the town, a well-off area where he says no-one wants or needs a play area.

The money has come from companies behind recent developments in the town. Referred to as 106 money, it is intended to improve local facilities.

Councillor Debbie Davies (Con, Baildon) believes the Council has its priorities right, saying the money will eventually lead to two play areas instead of focusing it all on one.

Of the money, £12,500 has been allocated for the Southcliffe Drive play area and £53,350 for a new play area near West Lane, near the recent reservoir development.

A further £42,680 is set aside for new sports facilities.

Speaking about the condition of the Southcliffe Drive play area, Coun Lyons said: “I used to live their in the 1980s and I don’t think it’s had anything done since. The play area is in a real state.

“The parish council has put a huge amount of effort in and we have got people’s expectations up something will be done there. But is has been decided money should instead be spent in the most affluent area of Baildon. It is a typical example of spending money in the rich area where more people vote.”

He said the west of the town had open spaces that were “natural play areas.”

Coun Davis denied the Council had effectively ignored the Southcliffe Drive site.

She said: “We have allocated £12,500 to it. If we put all the money in there then yes, that play area could be fixed tomorrow, but people who live near West Lane wouldn’t have a play area. Southcliffe drive play area might be a bit grotty, but at least they have one.”

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11:31am Mon 10 Dec 12

Albion. says...

Wow! There are some spelling mistakes in this report, how long has Baildon been a town?
Wow! There are some spelling mistakes in this report, how long has Baildon been a town? Albion.

12:41pm Mon 10 Dec 12

JohnnyBd says...

Surely the money for the play area on West Lane was money the building company had to allocate to get planning permission. The money would not be available without the new estate; therefore it should be spent in that area, as they have had the inconvenience of building an estate. The new estate will also house lots of families who are also entitled to a play area. Southcliffe have a play area already and it has money allocated to improve it. I don’t really understand what Ian Lyon's point is, is it just to score points against the Baildon Counsellors or to get his name in the paper ...again?
Surely the money for the play area on West Lane was money the building company had to allocate to get planning permission. The money would not be available without the new estate; therefore it should be spent in that area, as they have had the inconvenience of building an estate. The new estate will also house lots of families who are also entitled to a play area. Southcliffe have a play area already and it has money allocated to improve it. I don’t really understand what Ian Lyon's point is, is it just to score points against the Baildon Counsellors or to get his name in the paper ...again? JohnnyBd

12:43pm Mon 10 Dec 12

Dragon Saddle says...

Councillor Davies is one of their correspondents, so I'm surprised they spelt her name wrong.

It probably should be a Town. With 15,000 people living there, it's hardly a village anymore.
Councillor Davies is one of their correspondents, so I'm surprised they spelt her name wrong. It probably should be a Town. With 15,000 people living there, it's hardly a village anymore. Dragon Saddle

12:45pm Mon 10 Dec 12

Dragon Saddle says...

JohnnyBd wrote:
Surely the money for the play area on West Lane was money the building company had to allocate to get planning permission. The money would not be available without the new estate; therefore it should be spent in that area, as they have had the inconvenience of building an estate. The new estate will also house lots of families who are also entitled to a play area. Southcliffe have a play area already and it has money allocated to improve it. I don’t really understand what Ian Lyon's point is, is it just to score points against the Baildon Counsellors or to get his name in the paper ...again?
Doesn't the development affect everyone? The queues on Baildon road for a start.
[quote][p][bold]JohnnyBd[/bold] wrote: Surely the money for the play area on West Lane was money the building company had to allocate to get planning permission. The money would not be available without the new estate; therefore it should be spent in that area, as they have had the inconvenience of building an estate. The new estate will also house lots of families who are also entitled to a play area. Southcliffe have a play area already and it has money allocated to improve it. I don’t really understand what Ian Lyon's point is, is it just to score points against the Baildon Counsellors or to get his name in the paper ...again?[/p][/quote]Doesn't the development affect everyone? The queues on Baildon road for a start. Dragon Saddle

12:54pm Mon 10 Dec 12

JohnnyBd says...

Dragon Saddle wrote:
JohnnyBd wrote:
Surely the money for the play area on West Lane was money the building company had to allocate to get planning permission. The money would not be available without the new estate; therefore it should be spent in that area, as they have had the inconvenience of building an estate. The new estate will also house lots of families who are also entitled to a play area. Southcliffe have a play area already and it has money allocated to improve it. I don’t really understand what Ian Lyon's point is, is it just to score points against the Baildon Counsellors or to get his name in the paper ...again?
Doesn't the development affect everyone? The queues on Baildon road for a start.
Yes it affects everyone, perhaps people on West Lane having to drive to a local park would add to traffic in the village too? Anyhow, they are big houses up there in the "rich area" so the estate is not actually that big, undoubtedly there will be more children than cars on the new estate too.
[quote][p][bold]Dragon Saddle[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JohnnyBd[/bold] wrote: Surely the money for the play area on West Lane was money the building company had to allocate to get planning permission. The money would not be available without the new estate; therefore it should be spent in that area, as they have had the inconvenience of building an estate. The new estate will also house lots of families who are also entitled to a play area. Southcliffe have a play area already and it has money allocated to improve it. I don’t really understand what Ian Lyon's point is, is it just to score points against the Baildon Counsellors or to get his name in the paper ...again?[/p][/quote]Doesn't the development affect everyone? The queues on Baildon road for a start.[/p][/quote]Yes it affects everyone, perhaps people on West Lane having to drive to a local park would add to traffic in the village too? Anyhow, they are big houses up there in the "rich area" so the estate is not actually that big, undoubtedly there will be more children than cars on the new estate too. JohnnyBd

1:17pm Mon 10 Dec 12

swingvota says...

If this could get done tomorrow, then do it!

Use the next lot of cash for West Lane, if it's so important, and use the time in between to plan it properly.
If this could get done tomorrow, then do it! Use the next lot of cash for West Lane, if it's so important, and use the time in between to plan it properly. swingvota

1:20pm Mon 10 Dec 12

ANY WHERE BUT HERE says...

Councillor Davies is right, They should be happy with there (GROTTY) bit of play area.
Seems like the poor are getting more and more out of control. Not much grouse on Shipley Glenn no'more, could always shoot the poor?
Councillor Davies is right, They should be happy with there (GROTTY) bit of play area. Seems like the poor are getting more and more out of control. Not much grouse on Shipley Glenn no'more, could always shoot the poor? ANY WHERE BUT HERE

2:11pm Mon 10 Dec 12

Paul Marfell says...

I think if you make Baildon a Town then the chair of the Parish Council becomes a Mayor.

At long last the S106 money for the West Lane Reservoir development is to be spent. Hurray.

Parish Council Play Area Audit - http://baildonparish
council.gov.uk/websi
te/index.php/facilit
ies/play-areas
I think if you make Baildon a Town then the chair of the Parish Council becomes a Mayor. At long last the S106 money for the West Lane Reservoir development is to be spent. Hurray. Parish Council Play Area Audit - http://baildonparish council.gov.uk/websi te/index.php/facilit ies/play-areas Paul Marfell

2:16pm Mon 10 Dec 12

Paul Marfell says...

You can read the Section 106 agreement for the reservoir site here - http://baildonparish
council.gov.uk/websi
te/index.php/doc-rem
os/Miscellaneous/Wes
t-Lane-Section-106-A
greement/

It looks as though links get messed up so go to
baildonparishcouncil
.gov.uk
click on "Documents" then "Miscellaneous" then "Page 2" and finally "West Lane Section 106 Agreement"
You can read the Section 106 agreement for the reservoir site here - http://baildonparish council.gov.uk/websi te/index.php/doc-rem os/Miscellaneous/Wes t-Lane-Section-106-A greement/ It looks as though links get messed up so go to baildonparishcouncil .gov.uk click on "Documents" then "Miscellaneous" then "Page 2" and finally "West Lane Section 106 Agreement" Paul Marfell

4:09pm Mon 10 Dec 12

RollandSmoke says...

ANY WHERE BUT HERE wrote:
Councillor Davies is right, They should be happy with there (GROTTY) bit of play area.
Seems like the poor are getting more and more out of control. Not much grouse on Shipley Glenn no'more, could always shoot the poor?
Of course the grotty play area will be much safer as they will always have the police servailing it and having regular chats with the kids. They're not needed up in the more affluent parts because the kids there would never dream of spending their allowance on drugs and the parents would be outraged if they ended up with a conviction that could ruin their future job prospects. The Shipley Glenn poor shoot will be proposed at the next lodge meeting.
[quote][p][bold]ANY WHERE BUT HERE[/bold] wrote: Councillor Davies is right, They should be happy with there (GROTTY) bit of play area. Seems like the poor are getting more and more out of control. Not much grouse on Shipley Glenn no'more, could always shoot the poor?[/p][/quote]Of course the grotty play area will be much safer as they will always have the police servailing it and having regular chats with the kids. They're not needed up in the more affluent parts because the kids there would never dream of spending their allowance on drugs and the parents would be outraged if they ended up with a conviction that could ruin their future job prospects. The Shipley Glenn poor shoot will be proposed at the next lodge meeting. RollandSmoke

4:15pm Mon 10 Dec 12

Baildon Mum says...

It's about time the children along West Lane got a play area. I've lived here for 20 years and have always said it's an amenity sadly lacking in the area. The nearest play area is on Jenny Lane nearly 1.5 miles away. The children on Southcliffe Drive not only have a local play area, but there is also a newly upgraded one on Cliffe Ave (just opposite Mr Lyon's house in case he doesn't remember!). This is only half a mile from the Southcliffe Drive area and there is also plenty of open space at Ferniehurst Dell where they can play. I would hardly say that the majority of people on West Lane would class themselves as rich, they just mainly have jobs and work hard rather then rely on benefits and pay highly inflated council tax for the privilege!
It's about time the children along West Lane got a play area. I've lived here for 20 years and have always said it's an amenity sadly lacking in the area. The nearest play area is on Jenny Lane nearly 1.5 miles away. The children on Southcliffe Drive not only have a local play area, but there is also a newly upgraded one on Cliffe Ave (just opposite Mr Lyon's house in case he doesn't remember!). This is only half a mile from the Southcliffe Drive area and there is also plenty of open space at Ferniehurst Dell where they can play. I would hardly say that the majority of people on West Lane would class themselves as rich, they just mainly have jobs and work hard rather then rely on benefits and pay highly inflated council tax for the privilege! Baildon Mum

4:21pm Mon 10 Dec 12

gregort says...

well done mr lyons, face in the paper again. how about you highlight a real issue in baildon like speeding and volume of traffic
well done mr lyons, face in the paper again. how about you highlight a real issue in baildon like speeding and volume of traffic gregort

4:32pm Mon 10 Dec 12

Albion. says...

RollandSmoke wrote:
ANY WHERE BUT HERE wrote:
Councillor Davies is right, They should be happy with there (GROTTY) bit of play area.
Seems like the poor are getting more and more out of control. Not much grouse on Shipley Glenn no'more, could always shoot the poor?
Of course the grotty play area will be much safer as they will always have the police servailing it and having regular chats with the kids. They're not needed up in the more affluent parts because the kids there would never dream of spending their allowance on drugs and the parents would be outraged if they ended up with a conviction that could ruin their future job prospects. The Shipley Glenn poor shoot will be proposed at the next lodge meeting.
Woof!
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ANY WHERE BUT HERE[/bold] wrote: Councillor Davies is right, They should be happy with there (GROTTY) bit of play area. Seems like the poor are getting more and more out of control. Not much grouse on Shipley Glenn no'more, could always shoot the poor?[/p][/quote]Of course the grotty play area will be much safer as they will always have the police servailing it and having regular chats with the kids. They're not needed up in the more affluent parts because the kids there would never dream of spending their allowance on drugs and the parents would be outraged if they ended up with a conviction that could ruin their future job prospects. The Shipley Glenn poor shoot will be proposed at the next lodge meeting.[/p][/quote]Woof! Albion.

4:37pm Mon 10 Dec 12

RollandSmoke says...

Albion. wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
ANY WHERE BUT HERE wrote:
Councillor Davies is right, They should be happy with there (GROTTY) bit of play area.
Seems like the poor are getting more and more out of control. Not much grouse on Shipley Glenn no'more, could always shoot the poor?
Of course the grotty play area will be much safer as they will always have the police servailing it and having regular chats with the kids. They're not needed up in the more affluent parts because the kids there would never dream of spending their allowance on drugs and the parents would be outraged if they ended up with a conviction that could ruin their future job prospects. The Shipley Glenn poor shoot will be proposed at the next lodge meeting.
Woof!
Are you a member of Corinthian Lodge No.3600 down Hoyle Court Albion?
[quote][p][bold]Albion.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ANY WHERE BUT HERE[/bold] wrote: Councillor Davies is right, They should be happy with there (GROTTY) bit of play area. Seems like the poor are getting more and more out of control. Not much grouse on Shipley Glenn no'more, could always shoot the poor?[/p][/quote]Of course the grotty play area will be much safer as they will always have the police servailing it and having regular chats with the kids. They're not needed up in the more affluent parts because the kids there would never dream of spending their allowance on drugs and the parents would be outraged if they ended up with a conviction that could ruin their future job prospects. The Shipley Glenn poor shoot will be proposed at the next lodge meeting.[/p][/quote]Woof![/p][/quote]Are you a member of Corinthian Lodge No.3600 down Hoyle Court Albion? RollandSmoke

4:42pm Mon 10 Dec 12

Albion. says...

RollandSmoke wrote:
Albion. wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
ANY WHERE BUT HERE wrote:
Councillor Davies is right, They should be happy with there (GROTTY) bit of play area.
Seems like the poor are getting more and more out of control. Not much grouse on Shipley Glenn no'more, could always shoot the poor?
Of course the grotty play area will be much safer as they will always have the police servailing it and having regular chats with the kids. They're not needed up in the more affluent parts because the kids there would never dream of spending their allowance on drugs and the parents would be outraged if they ended up with a conviction that could ruin their future job prospects. The Shipley Glenn poor shoot will be proposed at the next lodge meeting.
Woof!
Are you a member of Corinthian Lodge No.3600 down Hoyle Court Albion?
No, I'm a member of the kennel club.
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ANY WHERE BUT HERE[/bold] wrote: Councillor Davies is right, They should be happy with there (GROTTY) bit of play area. Seems like the poor are getting more and more out of control. Not much grouse on Shipley Glenn no'more, could always shoot the poor?[/p][/quote]Of course the grotty play area will be much safer as they will always have the police servailing it and having regular chats with the kids. They're not needed up in the more affluent parts because the kids there would never dream of spending their allowance on drugs and the parents would be outraged if they ended up with a conviction that could ruin their future job prospects. The Shipley Glenn poor shoot will be proposed at the next lodge meeting.[/p][/quote]Woof![/p][/quote]Are you a member of Corinthian Lodge No.3600 down Hoyle Court Albion?[/p][/quote]No, I'm a member of the kennel club. Albion.

4:53pm Mon 10 Dec 12

RollandSmoke says...

Albion. wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Albion. wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
ANY WHERE BUT HERE wrote:
Councillor Davies is right, They should be happy with there (GROTTY) bit of play area.
Seems like the poor are getting more and more out of control. Not much grouse on Shipley Glenn no'more, could always shoot the poor?
Of course the grotty play area will be much safer as they will always have the police servailing it and having regular chats with the kids. They're not needed up in the more affluent parts because the kids there would never dream of spending their allowance on drugs and the parents would be outraged if they ended up with a conviction that could ruin their future job prospects. The Shipley Glenn poor shoot will be proposed at the next lodge meeting.
Woof!
Are you a member of Corinthian Lodge No.3600 down Hoyle Court Albion?
No, I'm a member of the kennel club.
Are you a fluffy white westie? or more of a rabid stalker type of dog?
[quote][p][bold]Albion.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ANY WHERE BUT HERE[/bold] wrote: Councillor Davies is right, They should be happy with there (GROTTY) bit of play area. Seems like the poor are getting more and more out of control. Not much grouse on Shipley Glenn no'more, could always shoot the poor?[/p][/quote]Of course the grotty play area will be much safer as they will always have the police servailing it and having regular chats with the kids. They're not needed up in the more affluent parts because the kids there would never dream of spending their allowance on drugs and the parents would be outraged if they ended up with a conviction that could ruin their future job prospects. The Shipley Glenn poor shoot will be proposed at the next lodge meeting.[/p][/quote]Woof![/p][/quote]Are you a member of Corinthian Lodge No.3600 down Hoyle Court Albion?[/p][/quote]No, I'm a member of the kennel club.[/p][/quote]Are you a fluffy white westie? or more of a rabid stalker type of dog? RollandSmoke

5:13pm Mon 10 Dec 12

Dragon Saddle says...

Baildon Mum wrote:
It's about time the children along West Lane got a play area. I've lived here for 20 years and have always said it's an amenity sadly lacking in the area. The nearest play area is on Jenny Lane nearly 1.5 miles away. The children on Southcliffe Drive not only have a local play area, but there is also a newly upgraded one on Cliffe Ave (just opposite Mr Lyon's house in case he doesn't remember!). This is only half a mile from the Southcliffe Drive area and there is also plenty of open space at Ferniehurst Dell where they can play. I would hardly say that the majority of people on West Lane would class themselves as rich, they just mainly have jobs and work hard rather then rely on benefits and pay highly inflated council tax for the privilege!
I'm curious, where do you think it should it be placed?
[quote][p][bold]Baildon Mum[/bold] wrote: It's about time the children along West Lane got a play area. I've lived here for 20 years and have always said it's an amenity sadly lacking in the area. The nearest play area is on Jenny Lane nearly 1.5 miles away. The children on Southcliffe Drive not only have a local play area, but there is also a newly upgraded one on Cliffe Ave (just opposite Mr Lyon's house in case he doesn't remember!). This is only half a mile from the Southcliffe Drive area and there is also plenty of open space at Ferniehurst Dell where they can play. I would hardly say that the majority of people on West Lane would class themselves as rich, they just mainly have jobs and work hard rather then rely on benefits and pay highly inflated council tax for the privilege![/p][/quote]I'm curious, where do you think it should it be placed? Dragon Saddle

7:36pm Mon 10 Dec 12

ollie59 says...

JohnnyBd wrote:
Surely the money for the play area on West Lane was money the building company had to allocate to get planning permission. The money would not be available without the new estate; therefore it should be spent in that area, as they have had the inconvenience of building an estate. The new estate will also house lots of families who are also entitled to a play area. Southcliffe have a play area already and it has money allocated to improve it. I don’t really understand what Ian Lyon's point is, is it just to score points against the Baildon Counsellors or to get his name in the paper ...again?
I think it's an attempt to score points AND to get his name in the paper again. I recall he's tried for a number of elected positions with a whole raft of self publicity, but only managed the parish council. Maybe it's frustration or an early start to his next campaign.
[quote][p][bold]JohnnyBd[/bold] wrote: Surely the money for the play area on West Lane was money the building company had to allocate to get planning permission. The money would not be available without the new estate; therefore it should be spent in that area, as they have had the inconvenience of building an estate. The new estate will also house lots of families who are also entitled to a play area. Southcliffe have a play area already and it has money allocated to improve it. I don’t really understand what Ian Lyon's point is, is it just to score points against the Baildon Counsellors or to get his name in the paper ...again?[/p][/quote]I think it's an attempt to score points AND to get his name in the paper again. I recall he's tried for a number of elected positions with a whole raft of self publicity, but only managed the parish council. Maybe it's frustration or an early start to his next campaign. ollie59

11:14pm Mon 10 Dec 12

swingvota says...

ollie59 wrote:
JohnnyBd wrote:
Surely the money for the play area on West Lane was money the building company had to allocate to get planning permission. The money would not be available without the new estate; therefore it should be spent in that area, as they have had the inconvenience of building an estate. The new estate will also house lots of families who are also entitled to a play area. Southcliffe have a play area already and it has money allocated to improve it. I don’t really understand what Ian Lyon's point is, is it just to score points against the Baildon Counsellors or to get his name in the paper ...again?
I think it's an attempt to score points AND to get his name in the paper again. I recall he's tried for a number of elected positions with a whole raft of self publicity, but only managed the parish council. Maybe it's frustration or an early start to his next campaign.
Yeah, it's probably all part of an evil plan to tax the rich and help the poor. Probably start campaigning for human rights next. **** Liberals never know when they're outnumbered.
[quote][p][bold]ollie59[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JohnnyBd[/bold] wrote: Surely the money for the play area on West Lane was money the building company had to allocate to get planning permission. The money would not be available without the new estate; therefore it should be spent in that area, as they have had the inconvenience of building an estate. The new estate will also house lots of families who are also entitled to a play area. Southcliffe have a play area already and it has money allocated to improve it. I don’t really understand what Ian Lyon's point is, is it just to score points against the Baildon Counsellors or to get his name in the paper ...again?[/p][/quote]I think it's an attempt to score points AND to get his name in the paper again. I recall he's tried for a number of elected positions with a whole raft of self publicity, but only managed the parish council. Maybe it's frustration or an early start to his next campaign.[/p][/quote]Yeah, it's probably all part of an evil plan to tax the rich and help the poor. Probably start campaigning for human rights next. **** Liberals never know when they're outnumbered. swingvota

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