Bradford MPs give opinions on plans to set minimum alcohol prices

Government plans to consult on a minimum price for alcohol in England and Wales as part of a drive to tackle problem drinking have divided opinion in Bradford .

Medical experts and some of the district’s MPs have welcomed the move but it is being fiercely opposed by supermarket bosses and some MPs.

The Government wants to see a 45p per unit, and an end to multi-buy offers at supermarkets and off-licences.

Ministers believe the move will save the taxpayer millions of pounds a year by cutting crime and health problems linked to binge drinking, and slash the number of booze-fuelled deaths.

Dr Andrew O’Shaughnessy, public health consultant for NHS Airedale, Bradford and Leeds, said: “We welcome the Government’s consultation on plans to introduce minimum pricing of alcohol as this is one of a broad range of measures that may help reduce the harm caused by alcohol.

“Tackling the problem of excessive drinking is a top priority for us and in the Bradford district there is an increasing range of practical support and advice on offer across the district to help people with alcohol problems, and new funding from the NHS clinical commissioning groups will expand the range of alcohol misuse services on offer.

“Over the past decade, alcohol misuse has increased, binge drinking has risen dramatically and alcohol-related hospital admissions have soared. Sadly, we are starting to see younger people presenting with chronic liver disease caused by alcohol. Most people are aware that drinking alcohol is related to liver disease, but what they often don’t realise is that regular drinking has also been linked with strokes, heart disease and some cancers.”

However, Julian Bailey for Bradford-based supermarket group Morrisons, said: “We disagree with minimum unit prices for alcohol. The reason for that is our customers expect us to set prices for them, not for the Government to interfere.

“There is no other product where the Government sets the price.

“At the same time we understand that there is problem for a small number of people who have drink problems. We think that the right thing to do is invest in education and change the culture of the country. We work with Drink Aware on exactly that. The other very important point to make is that for some time we have had a policy of not pricing alcohol below the rate of duty plus VAT. We think that the right policy is to actually put a floor under the price of alcohol at the rate of duty plus VAT.”

MPs are split as to whether there should be a minimum price per unit for alcohol – with one fearing it will hit the poorest in society.
Shipley Tory MP Philip Davies said the move would hit the poorest in society who enjoyed a sensible drink, instead of targeting the few who drink to excess and cause trouble.
Mr Davies said: “I am vehemently opposed to a minimum prices. It is a small proportion of people who drink cheap alcohol from the supermarket and go on and behave like drunken yobs in the street.
“Rather than penalising everyone one including responsible drinkers let's target those few causing menace and get tough and prosecute them and send them to prison.”
Bradford West MP George Galloway (Respect) said: “I’m certainly in favour of raising the minimum price. I don't drink but I’ve seen the disastrous effects alcohol has on individuals and families.”
Bradford East MP David Ward (Lib Dem) said: “There is clearly a need to take action and the fact now that it is so easy for young people to buy alcohol of a volume which is clearly damaging to their health is something that needs to be addresses because the industry do not seen to be taking responsibility.”
Keighley MP Kris Hopkins (Con) said: “The purpose of this consultation is to find the best way to tackle binge drinking which, shockingly, accounts for half of all alcohol consumed in this country.
“It is not aimed at seeking to curb the ability of responsible individuals to have a drink at affordable prices.”
Bradford South MP Gerry Sutcliffe (Lab) said: “I’m not convinced that minimum pricing of alcohol will do anything to tackle problem drinking and anti-social behaviour. It seems like well-intentioned but flawed policy. The people who will suffer most are responsible drinkers who are already hurting from rising food prices, wage freezes and rising energy and fuel bills.”

 

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8:28am Thu 29 Nov 12

Thee Voice of Reason says...

Phil Davies and Gerry Sutcliffe are spot on.
This is not going to stop binge drinking what so ever.
Its a pathetic nanny state attempt to avoid taking proper action on those who abuse drink and instead just hit everyone in the pocket for the mindless actions of a few.
Grow some balls and deal with binge drinking and the crimes cause with some proper sentances and put a real punishment out there to fit the crime.
If someone attacks someone when under the incluence of alcohol bang them up in jail, don't simply slap them on the wrist or it will just happen again and again.
I'm sick of this mentality of various governments who treat us all like primart school kids by punishing everyone for the actions of a few.
Phil Davies and Gerry Sutcliffe are spot on. This is not going to stop binge drinking what so ever. Its a pathetic nanny state attempt to avoid taking proper action on those who abuse drink and instead just hit everyone in the pocket for the mindless actions of a few. Grow some balls and deal with binge drinking and the crimes cause with some proper sentances and put a real punishment out there to fit the crime. If someone attacks someone when under the incluence of alcohol bang them up in jail, don't simply slap them on the wrist or it will just happen again and again. I'm sick of this mentality of various governments who treat us all like primart school kids by punishing everyone for the actions of a few. Thee Voice of Reason
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9:07am Thu 29 Nov 12

allannicho says...

We did not elect people to tell us what we can eat, drink or how much excercise we should take?
This country is like the Police state we used to see in East Germany.
We even have to be careful what we say? No free speech anymore .
We did not elect people to tell us what we can eat, drink or how much excercise we should take? This country is like the Police state we used to see in East Germany. We even have to be careful what we say? No free speech anymore . allannicho
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9:20am Thu 29 Nov 12

WayneRouke says...

Increasing prices will not resolve the problem.
The increase will mainly hit supermarket deals. It's supposed to stop binge-drinking and loutish behaviour. But every time I go to the drinks aisle in Asda all I see is responsible adults buying drink. I've never seen hoards of lunatics buying crates of booze. So where do they get their logic from?

The reason it wont solve the problem is because when such a loutish person goes into Tescos for a bottle of vodka, it's not with the intention of paying for it.


OH, by the way, the sellers are due to make another 1 billion.
Increasing prices will not resolve the problem. The increase will mainly hit supermarket deals. It's supposed to stop binge-drinking and loutish behaviour. But every time I go to the drinks aisle in Asda all I see is responsible adults buying drink. I've never seen hoards of lunatics buying crates of booze. So where do they get their logic from? The reason it wont solve the problem is because when such a loutish person goes into Tescos for a bottle of vodka, it's not with the intention of paying for it. OH, by the way, the sellers are due to make another 1 billion. WayneRouke
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9:55am Thu 29 Nov 12

Thee Voice of Reason says...

“The purpose of this consultation is to find the best way to tackle binge drinking which, shockingly, accounts for half of all alcohol consumed in this country."

What an utter load of ****. Half of all alcohol drunk in this country is done so in a binge fashion?

When you go to the pub are 50% of everyone there falling over themselves smashed out of their faces.

What utter rubbish. I guess it probably because they have set the level of binge drinking at 3 pints just so they can manufacture these stats. A few pints in not binge drinking, neither is sharing a bottle of wine with the missus over a meal.

This is what the government classes as binge drinking according to the national website.

Binge drinking for men, therefore, is drinking more than 8 units of alcohol – or about three pints of strong beer. For women, it’s drinking more than 6 units of alcohol, equivalent to two large glasses of wine.
“The purpose of this consultation is to find the best way to tackle binge drinking which, shockingly, accounts for half of all alcohol consumed in this country." What an utter load of ****. Half of all alcohol drunk in this country is done so in a binge fashion? When you go to the pub are 50% of everyone there falling over themselves smashed out of their faces. What utter rubbish. I guess it probably because they have set the level of binge drinking at 3 pints just so they can manufacture these stats. A few pints in not binge drinking, neither is sharing a bottle of wine with the missus over a meal. This is what the government classes as binge drinking according to the national website. Binge drinking for men, therefore, is drinking more than 8 units of alcohol – or about three pints of strong beer. For women, it’s drinking more than 6 units of alcohol, equivalent to two large glasses of wine. Thee Voice of Reason
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9:57am Thu 29 Nov 12

RollandSmoke says...

People drink for different reasons. This will do nothing to help the alcoholics it will merely worsen their fate, increase their depression and drive them to commit crime. The only people I can see benefiting from such proposals are the towns many drugs dealers who will see a rise in sales as people seek out cheaper alternatives to switch their minds off to the increasing victimisation they are experiencing under this Con-Demed government. How will they explain when the switch to cannabis from alcohol actually improves the nations health?
People drink for different reasons. This will do nothing to help the alcoholics it will merely worsen their fate, increase their depression and drive them to commit crime. The only people I can see benefiting from such proposals are the towns many drugs dealers who will see a rise in sales as people seek out cheaper alternatives to switch their minds off to the increasing victimisation they are experiencing under this Con-Demed government. How will they explain when the switch to cannabis from alcohol actually improves the nations health? RollandSmoke
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10:14am Thu 29 Nov 12

Thee Voice of Reason says...

You will find cheap dangerous vodka will become common place, crime will rise as with drugs, people will steal to makesure they have the means to buy what they want. Your also right as people might turn to drugs.
That bottle of cider that the drunks down the bottom of town drink will be £10 so it will either be lifted off the shelves at tescos or some other method will be used to get them off their head.
I would be suprised is those who do abuse alcohol will change anyhow, they will just cut costs elsewhere to fund their need. Maybe the children will not get proper meals or new clothes so that alcohol can remain on the shopping list.
This is so poorly thought out the only think that is being seen is the extra tax revenue at the end of it via corporation tax as supermaket profits increase, and an increase in VAT as the cost doubles so does the VAT.
You will find cheap dangerous vodka will become common place, crime will rise as with drugs, people will steal to makesure they have the means to buy what they want. Your also right as people might turn to drugs. That bottle of cider that the drunks down the bottom of town drink will be £10 so it will either be lifted off the shelves at tescos or some other method will be used to get them off their head. I would be suprised is those who do abuse alcohol will change anyhow, they will just cut costs elsewhere to fund their need. Maybe the children will not get proper meals or new clothes so that alcohol can remain on the shopping list. This is so poorly thought out the only think that is being seen is the extra tax revenue at the end of it via corporation tax as supermaket profits increase, and an increase in VAT as the cost doubles so does the VAT. Thee Voice of Reason
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10:45am Thu 29 Nov 12

Albion. says...

As seems to be the modern way, we see a generalisation response to a problem which is caused by the minority who lack self-control.
Alcohol has been part of life in this country since (and before) history was written, The consumption of alcohol has actually reduced significantly in recent years.
As seems to be the modern way, we see a generalisation response to a problem which is caused by the minority who lack self-control. Alcohol has been part of life in this country since (and before) history was written, The consumption of alcohol has actually reduced significantly in recent years. Albion.
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10:53am Thu 29 Nov 12

RollandSmoke says...

Have the politicians learnt nothing? Prohibition be it legal or financial doesn't work. It fails to prevent the problem users getting access to their drug of choice, drives them further into isolation away from the ever dying community and the people who may care enough to offer help even if that help only takes the form of a listening ear. But far more importantly it greatly increases the knock on effects for society at large. It's great for ensuring the jobs of police and prison workers and the shareprices of these increasingly private institutions, but little else. Many of the problem users are suffering from mental health problems that no-one is attempting to address. Care in the community doesn't work when no community exists. Sometimes it takes climbing onto a statue in Whitehall and stripping naked before anyone says that guy may have a problem, I wonder if there's anyone who could help?.
Have the politicians learnt nothing? Prohibition be it legal or financial doesn't work. It fails to prevent the problem users getting access to their drug of choice, drives them further into isolation away from the ever dying community and the people who may care enough to offer help even if that help only takes the form of a listening ear. But far more importantly it greatly increases the knock on effects for society at large. It's great for ensuring the jobs of police and prison workers and the shareprices of these increasingly private institutions, but little else. Many of the problem users are suffering from mental health problems that no-one is attempting to address. Care in the community doesn't work when no community exists. Sometimes it takes climbing onto a statue in Whitehall and stripping naked before anyone says that guy may have a problem, I wonder if there's anyone who could help?. RollandSmoke
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11:18am Thu 29 Nov 12

angry bradfordian says...

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
“The purpose of this consultation is to find the best way to tackle binge drinking which, shockingly, accounts for half of all alcohol consumed in this country."

What an utter load of ****. Half of all alcohol drunk in this country is done so in a binge fashion?

When you go to the pub are 50% of everyone there falling over themselves smashed out of their faces.

What utter rubbish. I guess it probably because they have set the level of binge drinking at 3 pints just so they can manufacture these stats. A few pints in not binge drinking, neither is sharing a bottle of wine with the missus over a meal.

This is what the government classes as binge drinking according to the national website.

Binge drinking for men, therefore, is drinking more than 8 units of alcohol – or about three pints of strong beer. For women, it’s drinking more than 6 units of alcohol, equivalent to two large glasses of wine.
A problem that's getting worse is that a lot of the 50% who are smashed got like that before they left the house.
There's an increasing trend amongst younger drinkers to stay in for 'pre-drinks' until much later and hit a club where they hardly drink anything because of the prices.

I can't see how this is going to change whilst pubs & clubs are so expensive.
However it shouldn't be the governments role to dictate prices. You'd think the Monopolies Commission would get involved anyway as it seems to be price rigging.
[quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: “The purpose of this consultation is to find the best way to tackle binge drinking which, shockingly, accounts for half of all alcohol consumed in this country." What an utter load of ****. Half of all alcohol drunk in this country is done so in a binge fashion? When you go to the pub are 50% of everyone there falling over themselves smashed out of their faces. What utter rubbish. I guess it probably because they have set the level of binge drinking at 3 pints just so they can manufacture these stats. A few pints in not binge drinking, neither is sharing a bottle of wine with the missus over a meal. This is what the government classes as binge drinking according to the national website. Binge drinking for men, therefore, is drinking more than 8 units of alcohol – or about three pints of strong beer. For women, it’s drinking more than 6 units of alcohol, equivalent to two large glasses of wine.[/p][/quote]A problem that's getting worse is that a lot of the 50% who are smashed got like that before they left the house. There's an increasing trend amongst younger drinkers to stay in for 'pre-drinks' until much later and hit a club where they hardly drink anything because of the prices. I can't see how this is going to change whilst pubs & clubs are so expensive. However it shouldn't be the governments role to dictate prices. You'd think the Monopolies Commission would get involved anyway as it seems to be price rigging. angry bradfordian
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11:35am Thu 29 Nov 12

Thee Voice of Reason says...

angry bradfordian wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote: “The purpose of this consultation is to find the best way to tackle binge drinking which, shockingly, accounts for half of all alcohol consumed in this country." What an utter load of ****. Half of all alcohol drunk in this country is done so in a binge fashion? When you go to the pub are 50% of everyone there falling over themselves smashed out of their faces. What utter rubbish. I guess it probably because they have set the level of binge drinking at 3 pints just so they can manufacture these stats. A few pints in not binge drinking, neither is sharing a bottle of wine with the missus over a meal. This is what the government classes as binge drinking according to the national website. Binge drinking for men, therefore, is drinking more than 8 units of alcohol – or about three pints of strong beer. For women, it’s drinking more than 6 units of alcohol, equivalent to two large glasses of wine.
A problem that's getting worse is that a lot of the 50% who are smashed got like that before they left the house. There's an increasing trend amongst younger drinkers to stay in for 'pre-drinks' until much later and hit a club where they hardly drink anything because of the prices. I can't see how this is going to change whilst pubs & clubs are so expensive. However it shouldn't be the governments role to dictate prices. You'd think the Monopolies Commission would get involved anyway as it seems to be price rigging.
50% of all people are not smashed off their heads, they are classed as binge drinkers as they have had 3 pints.

I go to the City on a Saturday and have a few pints in town before the game and maybe one afterwards before I head home. Thats not a binge.

There is at most a handful who are stupidly drunk, the real percentage is much closer to 0.5% than 50%.
[quote][p][bold]angry bradfordian[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: “The purpose of this consultation is to find the best way to tackle binge drinking which, shockingly, accounts for half of all alcohol consumed in this country." What an utter load of ****. Half of all alcohol drunk in this country is done so in a binge fashion? When you go to the pub are 50% of everyone there falling over themselves smashed out of their faces. What utter rubbish. I guess it probably because they have set the level of binge drinking at 3 pints just so they can manufacture these stats. A few pints in not binge drinking, neither is sharing a bottle of wine with the missus over a meal. This is what the government classes as binge drinking according to the national website. Binge drinking for men, therefore, is drinking more than 8 units of alcohol – or about three pints of strong beer. For women, it’s drinking more than 6 units of alcohol, equivalent to two large glasses of wine.[/p][/quote]A problem that's getting worse is that a lot of the 50% who are smashed got like that before they left the house. There's an increasing trend amongst younger drinkers to stay in for 'pre-drinks' until much later and hit a club where they hardly drink anything because of the prices. I can't see how this is going to change whilst pubs & clubs are so expensive. However it shouldn't be the governments role to dictate prices. You'd think the Monopolies Commission would get involved anyway as it seems to be price rigging.[/p][/quote]50% of all people are not smashed off their heads, they are classed as binge drinkers as they have had 3 pints. I go to the City on a Saturday and have a few pints in town before the game and maybe one afterwards before I head home. Thats not a binge. There is at most a handful who are stupidly drunk, the real percentage is much closer to 0.5% than 50%. Thee Voice of Reason
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2:49pm Thu 29 Nov 12

thruth9211 says...

England is the only country that cannot tolerate alcohol

Theres a minority of peoplle who do not bringe drink, but the rest drink until death du apart

Well done
England is the only country that cannot tolerate alcohol Theres a minority of peoplle who do not bringe drink, but the rest drink until death du apart Well done thruth9211
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3:05pm Thu 29 Nov 12

Shelfrhino says...

They should put it up to a £1 per unit. It would not affect pub prices as they are already at this level. What they do need to be hitting is the cheaper end of the market, the alcohol dependant and the benefits claiming drinkers.
Decent working people can afford a rise, the vermin who should not be drinking will be a lot worse off, rightly so.
They should put it up to a £1 per unit. It would not affect pub prices as they are already at this level. What they do need to be hitting is the cheaper end of the market, the alcohol dependant and the benefits claiming drinkers. Decent working people can afford a rise, the vermin who should not be drinking will be a lot worse off, rightly so. Shelfrhino
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3:20pm Thu 29 Nov 12

manumish says...

An increase in theft and crime on the cards to fund the habit, like Heroin and other drugs people will find a way to get it! I meanwhile am panic buying.......
An increase in theft and crime on the cards to fund the habit, like Heroin and other drugs people will find a way to get it! I meanwhile am panic buying....... manumish
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5:49pm Thu 29 Nov 12

thruth9211 says...

I say

Drink your self to 6ft under, solves the problem
I say Drink your self to 6ft under, solves the problem thruth9211
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6:10pm Thu 29 Nov 12

Albion. says...

thruth9211 wrote:
England is the only country that cannot tolerate alcohol

Theres a minority of peoplle who do not bringe drink, but the rest drink until death du apart

Well done
You obviously haven't been to Scotland or parts of Germany.
If only the minority didn't binge drink we would really be in a mess.
[quote][p][bold]thruth9211[/bold] wrote: England is the only country that cannot tolerate alcohol Theres a minority of peoplle who do not bringe drink, but the rest drink until death du apart Well done[/p][/quote]You obviously haven't been to Scotland or parts of Germany. If only the minority didn't binge drink we would really be in a mess. Albion.
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8:43pm Thu 29 Nov 12

flapper1 says...

They have realised the working man has found a cheaper way to chill out at the end of a hard worked week so want to spoil that too after they have killed all the pubs.Just think though all them people staying in drinking might have heating on.Its a win win.
They have realised the working man has found a cheaper way to chill out at the end of a hard worked week so want to spoil that too after they have killed all the pubs.Just think though all them people staying in drinking might have heating on.Its a win win. flapper1
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11:25pm Thu 29 Nov 12

Dragon Saddle says...

They would do better to reduce the tax on alcohol served in pubs, which is adversely affecting struggling businesses who largely encourage responsible drinking.
They would do better to reduce the tax on alcohol served in pubs, which is adversely affecting struggling businesses who largely encourage responsible drinking. Dragon Saddle
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