Layout bid to beat dangerous drivers (From Bradford Telegraph and Argus)

I've never seen anyone policing this roundabout. The road markings are extremely clear, though a lot of drivers would rather push in whilst risking an accident. Same goes for Thornbury roundabout from Dick lane.

Since they put the traffic lights up and made it so the left hand lane up Rooley Ave is for Cleckheaton Rd and Huddersfield Rd only the queues on the right hand lane have been horrendous. You should be able to use the right hand lane up Rooley to access Halifax Rd as well and this is what they are trying to stop!
The whole issue of Odsal roundabout coming the other way is made worse by having made Netherlands access only and putting all those speed lumps on Abb Scott Lane.
It's about time they removed all the blocked off short cuts we used to use that kept the volume of traffic on the main roads down, now everyone is forced onto the main roads and these are just not up to the job of handling the amount of traffic.

Cooperlane2 wrote:
I've never seen anyone policing this roundabout. The road markings are extremely clear, though a lot of drivers would rather push in whilst risking an accident. Same goes for Thornbury roundabout from Dick lane.

I do not find the Thornbury roundabout lane markings to be up to a good clear standard particularly for strangers to the area.

There is no courtesy on any of Bradford's roads. They are all full of people in the shortest queue who then bully their way in to whichever lane they should have been in at the outset!

If everyone like me who uses the left hand lane to access Halifax Road at 5pm then the queue in the right hand lane will be back onto and round Staygate roundabout causing even more problems.
The roads in Bradford are terrible, I work in Leeds and have no problems coming home round the Leeds outer ring road but as soon as I get to Cutler
Heights in all goes wrong queuing for ages to get to Dudley Hill roundabout. Now if there is any money to spend on roads then Dudley Hill / Cutler Heights junction, which is basically a dead end is more desperate.

Extremely poor road management at Odsal roundabout, the implementation of new linings are NOT going to improve it! We all may as well get used to queuing.

I use this roundabout every night. I can drive from Preston back to Bradford & the longest delay to my journey will be the one if I decide to stick to the right hand lane at Odsal roundabout when heading to Wibsey.

Instead of threatening drivers & saying they are driving dangerously, the highways team at Bradford Council needs to pull it's head out of it's backside & realise their work on creating a useless & inadequate traffic management syatem lies at the root of the problem.

I really do despair of the reactive, buck passing, responsibility shirking, head in the sand idiots that run this city

Bierley Boy, I agree entirely it's the traffic management not the drivers, well not most of the drivers anyways.

as someone who only visits Bradford occaisonally and who hasn't used this roundabout for a long time, I imagine that if I was wanting to go to Halifax Rd then I too would in innocence use the left hand lane, assuming perhaps that the queue was caused by a hold up in Wibsey.
Possibly all the white road markings would have stationary traffic covering them so I wouldn't see them.
Are there kerb mounted sign posts etc?

BierleyBoy wrote:
I use this roundabout every night. I can drive from Preston back to Bradford & the longest delay to my journey will be the one if I decide to stick to the right hand lane at Odsal roundabout when heading to Wibsey.

Instead of threatening drivers & saying they are driving dangerously, the highways team at Bradford Council needs to pull it's head out of it's backside & realise their work on creating a useless & inadequate traffic management syatem lies at the root of the problem.

I really do despair of the reactive, buck passing, responsibility shirking, head in the sand idiots that run this city

I can imagine that you don't have issues friom getting home from Preston if you're the type of person who is using the left hand lane on the roundabout to go the the 4th exit !!!! (Wibsey).

If you're prepared to cut across three exits to get to your destination when nearly home, it shows your selfish attitude when driving and your attitude to other drivers.

We're all trying to get home, some of us with more intention in doing that safely. Consider your fellow drivers who are sticking to the correct lanes, they also don't want to be delayed and they especially don't want somebody driving into the side of them by somebody who is impatient and has no regards for others safety.

Exactly, a correct critic

Let's face it, there are just lots of selfish drivers out there (and some here) who will always take the quietest lane wherever they drive, then cut across into the right lane hoping that other drives will just back off rather than get their car bumped. I face the 5 -10 minute crawl up Rooley Ave most days for the Halifax Rd. turning and don't see any commercial van drivers in my lane - they all take the quicker left lane then barge through on the roundabout. The only thing you can do is monitor these drivers and prosecute them.

Why does everything have to be so longwinded and expensive with probably all councils. If some white lines needs changing or a sign or two erecting well its not exactly rocket science. Why cant the Police and the council highways engineer meet up there, decide whats to be done and send the chaps down with the white-lining lorry....simple. Committees/meetings then more meetings. I am sure councils have meetings to decide when to have the next meeting

Is Odsal roundabout the only problem? Why don't the Police monitor those people pretending to work on the improved M62, there have never been so many accidents in such a short period of time! Narrow lanes do not work! The speed of that work is the crime! Slight change of subject I know but it does include Odsal.

I regularly use the left hand lane to go straight across the rounabout onto the A58 Halifax and will continue to do so. In doing so I am doing a public service by reducing the length of the queue in the right hand lane :).

The entry onto the the A58 from the Odsal roundabout is two lanes that later filters into one after 500m.

Pray, lost souls of the right hand lane, tell me what the purpose of the the dual lane into Halifax Road is for if only the l the right handers use it as a single lane ?

Another fact about Odsal roundabout is that the time when the lights were switched off for a period of a few months, the roundabout worked at its best with smoother traffic flows and less queues.

Highways, get your heads out of the sand and dont look to police it, look to improve it, you numpties. Open up the left and right to get onto the A58, or end up with a queue back to the 606.

It's obvious that the two lanes off the roundabout are for accelerating up to 60mph so you can overtake a few more cars before barging in at the merge point...though you don't merge, you just force your way in.

Cooperlane2 wrote:
It's obvious that the two lanes off the roundabout are for accelerating up to 60mph so you can overtake a few more cars before barging in at the merge point...though you don't merge, you just force your way in.

Why would i want to break the law by doing 60 in a 40 and become a right hander when i can still be a left hander and keep within the law at that point ? lol

But most of us merge into the gaps anyway, as we are to posh to push, or as you call it barge.

Grasser wrote:

Cooperlane2 wrote:
It's obvious that the two lanes off the roundabout are for accelerating up to 60mph so you can overtake a few more cars before barging in at the merge point...though you don't merge, you just force your way in.

Why would i want to break the law by doing 60 in a 40 and become a right hander when i can still be a left hander and keep within the law at that point ? lol

But most of us merge into the gaps anyway, as we are to posh to push, or as you call it barge.

Correct and occasionally I have gone down Hudds Rd instead of barging in as you put it. Generally there is plenty of space to get to Halifax Rd without the need to barge in.
Going down Hudds then means I have to go up Netherlands Ave, which is another daft rule broken!

Grasser wrote:
I regularly use the left hand lane to go straight across the rounabout onto the A58 Halifax and will continue to do so. In doing so I am doing a public service by reducing the length of the queue in the right hand lane :).

The entry onto the the A58 from the Odsal roundabout is two lanes that later filters into one after 500m.

Pray, lost souls of the right hand lane, tell me what the purpose of the the dual lane into Halifax Road is for if only the l the right handers use it as a single lane ?

Another fact about Odsal roundabout is that the time when the lights were switched off for a period of a few months, the roundabout worked at its best with smoother traffic flows and less queues.

Highways, get your heads out of the sand and dont look to police it, look to improve it, you numpties. Open up the left and right to get onto the A58, or end up with a queue back to the 606.

The purpose of the dual lane into Halifax Road is for traffic from Manchester Road, Odsal Road, even Halifax Road, another purpose is to allow traffic on to the roundabout from Cleckheaton Road hence the box junction just before the Huddersfield Road exit. It is not for the purpose of allowing traffic from the left hand lane of Rooley Ave, (drives that do use it from the left hand line of Rooley Ave, cause the queuing on the right hand lane back to the M606) as the purpose of the dual lane into Halifax Road is not for you, (when approaching from the left hand lane of Rooley Ave) you seem not to understand its purpose, so surely its purpose is for other road uses that are approaching from a different direction then you. P.S. It is 30 mph maximum on the roundabout and Halifax road.

Outraged English Subject wrote:

Grasser wrote:
I regularly use the left hand lane to go straight across the rounabout onto the A58 Halifax and will continue to do so. In doing so I am doing a public service by reducing the length of the queue in the right hand lane :).

The entry onto the the A58 from the Odsal roundabout is two lanes that later filters into one after 500m.

Pray, lost souls of the right hand lane, tell me what the purpose of the the dual lane into Halifax Road is for if only the l the right handers use it as a single lane ?

Another fact about Odsal roundabout is that the time when the lights were switched off for a period of a few months, the roundabout worked at its best with smoother traffic flows and less queues.

Highways, get your heads out of the sand and dont look to police it, look to improve it, you numpties. Open up the left and right to get onto the A58, or end up with a queue back to the 606.

The purpose of the dual lane into Halifax Road is for traffic from Manchester Road, Odsal Road, even Halifax Road, another purpose is to allow traffic on to the roundabout from Cleckheaton Road hence the box junction just before the Huddersfield Road exit. It is not for the purpose of allowing traffic from the left hand lane of Rooley Ave, (drives that do use it from the left hand line of Rooley Ave, cause the queuing on the right hand lane back to the M606) as the purpose of the dual lane into Halifax Road is not for you, (when approaching from the left hand lane of Rooley Ave) you seem not to understand its purpose, so surely its purpose is for other road uses that are approaching from a different direction then you. P.S. It is 30 mph maximum on the roundabout and Halifax road.

Thanks for the heads up on the 30, ill try and keep it under 2000 revs in future.

You say "(drivers that do use it from the left hand line of Rooley Ave, cause the queuing on the right hand lane back to the M606)"

If you are saying that, then when all left hand "abusers" join this queue back at the 606 as you say, will therefore make the queue even longer and block the 606 roundabout !

We do understand the purpose of the current lane zoning but we defer from accepting its purpose, as its purpose is self defeating.

By that I mean both funnel lanes on the Odsal roundabout will still fill with traffic coming from the "right handers", therefore negating its purpose which one would presume wold be to take traffic from Cleckheaton Road.

Sorry to say, but what the planners see on paper doe not work in practice.

If you are a right hander, you are merely asking for your own journey time to be significantly increased by determining that all drivers should conform to ill advised Highway planning.

Perhaps Highways should get off their backsides and undertake TRICS traffic modelling by using the Picady junction capacity planning software rather than doing it on the back of a fag packet.

spearmint wino wrote:
If everyone like me who uses the left hand lane to access Halifax Road at 5pm then the queue in the right hand lane will be back onto and round Staygate roundabout causing even more problems.
The roads in Bradford are terrible, I work in Leeds and have no problems coming home round the Leeds outer ring road but as soon as I get to Cutler
Heights in all goes wrong queuing for ages to get to Dudley Hill roundabout. Now if there is any money to spend on roads then Dudley Hill / Cutler Heights junction, which is basically a dead end is more desperate.

Well Mr Spearmint, my problem is the drivers like you who think they can drive in any lane & push on the roundabout. I live in Wyke & travel on Rooley Lane in the left hand lane to travel down Huddersfield Rd, but its always blocked up with the chancers like you. Just do as the signs say & stay in your own lane, the roundabout wouldnt be as blocked up & not as many accidents.

What also gets me is, from the Wibsey side as you go round past the City Centre turnoff, there are three lanes.
Left for M606, centre for Oakenshaw and Hudds Rd, right for Halifax Rd.
Lots of cars go in the right hand lane then carve everyone up as they go for the Oakenshaw exit.
I really think many just don't use their eyes and look at road markings. They just drive round in their own little world wondering why people blow their horns when they believe they aren't doing anything wrong.

As an aside going along Dick Lane I was confronted with a car on the wrong side of the road 'overtaking' the traffic queue as they obviously had very pressing business and couldn't wait.

Again on Abb Scott Lane saw a car try to overtake a lorry but ended up bumper to bumper with a Landrover coming the other way that was visible before they even started overtaking.

Too many drivers in Bradford, and many other city centres, are just completely ignorant and couldn't care less as long as they get in front of the car ahead. The sort that if you ban them, they would just drive illegally anyway. Even if they do bump you, they then put in a whiplash claim.

Could be a nice little earner if they hand out on the spot fines. Just have someone monitoring the roundabout and place a couple of squad cars on Halifax Road just where the 2 lanes merge. The monitor just has to radio through the registration and the Battenburgs can pull them over. £60 a throw - should pay for itself in minutes.

Or just have a cctv camera and an operator in a cosy office. Let the police get on with more important stuff.

Grasser wrote:

Cooperlane2 wrote:
It's obvious that the two lanes off the roundabout are for accelerating up to 60mph so you can overtake a few more cars before barging in at the merge point...though you don't merge, you just force your way in.

Why would i want to break the law by doing 60 in a 40 and become a right hander when i can still be a left hander and keep within the law at that point ? lol

But most of us merge into the gaps anyway, as we are to posh to push, or as you call it barge.

You mean you push into the reasonable, safe space left by safe drivers, thereby causing others to slow down. I'm sick of selfish, dangerous drivers who act as though they own the road. If you don't know how to negotiate Odsal roundabout, avoid it. And it's 30mph on Halifax Road and has been for a while. Thinking it's still 40 shows what type of a driver you are.

Oldwestbowling says "You mean you push "
As I said before im too posh to push, I merge. Its drivers like you that cause the accidents that purposely accelerate to not let us in, lol.

It would seem to me that all "right handers" would drive of a cliff if the the road markings sent them that way....

Just remember we are doing you a service by "reducing" your queue in the right hand lane as the "left handers" are ensuring that double the amount of cars get across the roundabout as opposed to the trickle from the "right handers"

Grasser says... "Pray, lost souls of the right hand lane, tell me what the purpose of the the dual lane into Halifax Road is for if only the l the right handers use it as a single lane ?"
Your question answered! Now you claim that…"We do understand the purpose of the current lane zoning but we defer from accepting its purpose, as its purpose is self defeating." pmsl!

How can one not know the speed limit on a road that you drive on daily, laughable standards of driving, however what does one expect when so many drivers have passed their tests in Rawalpindi.

Grasser wrote:
I regularly use the left hand lane to go straight across the rounabout onto the A58 Halifax and will continue to do so. In doing so I am doing a public service by reducing the length of the queue in the right hand lane :).

The entry onto the the A58 from the Odsal roundabout is two lanes that later filters into one after 500m.

Pray, lost souls of the right hand lane, tell me what the purpose of the the dual lane into Halifax Road is for if only the l the right handers use it as a single lane ?

Another fact about Odsal roundabout is that the time when the lights were switched off for a period of a few months, the roundabout worked at its best with smoother traffic flows and less queues.

Highways, get your heads out of the sand and dont look to police it, look to improve it, you numpties. Open up the left and right to get onto the A58, or end up with a queue back to the 606.

You obviously drive with your eyes shut. The A58 goes nowhere near Odsal. Halifax Road is the A6036!

Northern1 wrote:

Grasser wrote:
I regularly use the left hand lane to go straight across the rounabout onto the A58 Halifax and will continue to do so. In doing so I am doing a public service by reducing the length of the queue in the right hand lane :).

The entry onto the the A58 from the Odsal roundabout is two lanes that later filters into one after 500m.

Pray, lost souls of the right hand lane, tell me what the purpose of the the dual lane into Halifax Road is for if only the l the right handers use it as a single lane ?

Another fact about Odsal roundabout is that the time when the lights were switched off for a period of a few months, the roundabout worked at its best with smoother traffic flows and less queues.

Highways, get your heads out of the sand and dont look to police it, look to improve it, you numpties. Open up the left and right to get onto the A58, or end up with a queue back to the 606.

You obviously drive with your eyes shut. The A58 goes nowhere near Odsal. Halifax Road is the A6036!

Yes , I do drive with my eyes shut because of all the right handers not wanting to let me in, lol

Outraged English Subject - perhaps you need to appreciate rhetoric, but then you are only an expert in your own eyes.. :): Rawalpindi ? What BD code is that perchance ?

Grasser wrote:

Northern1 wrote:

Grasser wrote:
I regularly use the left hand lane to go straight across the rounabout onto the A58 Halifax and will continue to do so. In doing so I am doing a public service by reducing the length of the queue in the right hand lane :).

The entry onto the the A58 from the Odsal roundabout is two lanes that later filters into one after 500m.

Pray, lost souls of the right hand lane, tell me what the purpose of the the dual lane into Halifax Road is for if only the l the right handers use it as a single lane ?

Another fact about Odsal roundabout is that the time when the lights were switched off for a period of a few months, the roundabout worked at its best with smoother traffic flows and less queues.

Highways, get your heads out of the sand and dont look to police it, look to improve it, you numpties. Open up the left and right to get onto the A58, or end up with a queue back to the 606.

You obviously drive with your eyes shut. The A58 goes nowhere near Odsal. Halifax Road is the A6036!

Yes , I do drive with my eyes shut because of all the right handers not wanting to let me in, lol

Outraged English Subject - perhaps you need to appreciate rhetoric, but then you are only an expert in your own eyes.. :): Rawalpindi ? What BD code is that perchance ?

expert, well thank you ;-)

The thing is with these drivers who think they know best and are the cleverest being on 4 wheels is that their arrogance will never let them think otherwise. They will continue to behave as if they own the road and put others at risk. The most to hope for is that they are the victims of their own stupidity. Fingers crossed.

Oldwestbowling wrote:
The thing is with these drivers who think they know best and are the cleverest being on 4 wheels is that their arrogance will never let them think otherwise. They will continue to behave as if they own the road and put others at risk. The most to hope for is that they are the victims of their own stupidity. Fingers crossed.

Very true.

Have done pretty well so far thx, in the last year i have reduced my queueing time by over a week by being a left hander :)
Thx for the xtra weeks R & R guys.

lol, still chatting S&!t. oops rhetoric, mi thinks him Aristotle. ;-)

Grasser wrote:
Have done pretty well so far thx, in the last year i have reduced my queueing time by over a week by being a left hander :)
Thx for the xtra weeks R & R guys.

A driver barged in front of my sister then ran into the back of the car in front. Sweet summary justice and laughs all round for the d***head. Here's hoping......don't forget to brag about it if (God willing) it happens to you.......

Lol, OWB, wish i had seen that, personally i would have gone over the hatched lines and possibly mounted the pavement to go three abreast into the funnel - would have made great viewing.

Nearest Aristotle got to a motor vehicle was probably a chariot..... now theres a thought, perhaps i could borrow one from Holme Wood - lol

If this latest "safety scheme" is as successful as the car share lane on the A650, then it's a good job Odsal fire station is just round the corner.