Grandfather calls on firm to revise rules which do not allow driver to leave cab

Coun Sinead Engel who wants better protection for bus passengers

Coun Sinead Engel who wants better protection for bus passengers

First published in News Bradford Telegraph and Argus: Photograph of the Author Exclusive by , City Hall Reporter

A driver sat in his cab and watched as a pensioner was viciously attacked in front of him by a group of yobs on a Bradford bus.

The gang of teens punched and kicked grandfather Fred Gilroy, 68, to the floor, only feet away from the driver’s protected cab, after he confronted them about their unruly behaviour, which included shooting him with a pellet gun.

After the yobs fled the vehicle by triggering an emergency door release, the driver apologised for not coming to his aid, saying he was not allowed to leave his cab, said Mr Gilroy.

The pensioner, who described his attackers as “evil and vicious”, has now been joined by a Bradford councillor in demanding that bus company First does more to protect passengers.

Mr Gilroy had been travelling on the upper deck of the 636 service from Bradford to his home in Clayton when a group of about five teenagers on the back seat started causing a nuisance.

He said a First staff member in uniform came upstairs to confront them, but after being met by a volley of abuse, backed off and a short time later left the bus.

Then, one of the yobs shot Mr Gilroy in the ear with a pellet gun, but when he told them off they threatened to rip his head off.

He went downstairs to speak to the driver, who pulled over. The yobs came down the stairs and surrounded him.

“They were all round me,” said Mr Gilroy. “I slung a punch myself, but it would have been like a feather duster to them at that age. They were jumping on the seats and drop-kicking. They got me down in two minutes.”

Mr Gilroy said they kept kicking him while he was on the floor before running from the bus. He said: “The bus driver said ‘I’m sorry you got a kicking, but we are not allowed to come out’.

The driver called the emergency services and Mr Gilroy was taken to hospital with severe bruising.

He later rang First to complain about its security procedures, but he said the woman he spoke to even questioned him about what he had been doing on the top deck.

He said: “The safety of people travelling during the day on the bus is at stake. If this occurs again, if a gang of lads get on, the way she was talking, they can run riot. That can’t be right. They should have some quick way of getting security to that bus.”

Councillor Sinead Engel (Lab, Clayton and Fairweather Green) said she was shocked to hear of the circumstances of the attack.

“Passengers have every right to expect to be safe travelling on buses and bus drivers have a duty of care to protect them,” she said.

“I wouldn’t want to see drivers putting themselves at risk unnecessarily, but I certainly wouldn’t have been able to just stand by and watch.”

Sergeant Alastair Milner, of the Bradford North Neighbourhood Policing Team, said: “This was a cowardly attack by the individuals involved, who had no cause to use such level of violence, particularly against a lone 68-year-old man.”

A First spokesman said: “We would urge anyone with information to go to the police to help catch these vile individuals. We are disappointed to hear of Mr Gilroy’s shocking experience and will work with the police.

“Our drivers are encouraged to do all that they can to assist our passengers in such difficult circumstances. As part of this process they have to consider their own safety and that of all other passengers on board the vehicle.

“If they do not feel that leaving their cab is a safe course of action then we would expect them to raise the alarm so that the emergency services can be called.”

Anyone with information about the attack, which occurred on November 7 at about 11am, should contact police on 101.

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7:48am Mon 19 Nov 12

idleone says...

So how about the CCTV fitted to all first vehicles. Is this not true, if so why is it not being used as evidence in a criminal prosecution. If no CCTV then I would urge the victim to take a private prosecution out against First Bradford for failure to protect their passengers.
So how about the CCTV fitted to all first vehicles. Is this not true, if so why is it not being used as evidence in a criminal prosecution. If no CCTV then I would urge the victim to take a private prosecution out against First Bradford for failure to protect their passengers. idleone
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8:08am Mon 19 Nov 12

BD16 says...

Is it the job of the bus company to control passengers or the job of society to make sure we bring people up in such a way that they can behave?
Is it the job of the bus company to control passengers or the job of society to make sure we bring people up in such a way that they can behave? BD16
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8:15am Mon 19 Nov 12

Apollo says...

First Bradford have clearly failed to act as a responsible carrier in this case and should be warned as to the continuance of their licence to operate.

They have a duty of care to passengers which overrides the duty of care to their staff. Instructions not to leave cabs is a nonsense.
First Bradford have clearly failed to act as a responsible carrier in this case and should be warned as to the continuance of their licence to operate. They have a duty of care to passengers which overrides the duty of care to their staff. Instructions not to leave cabs is a nonsense. Apollo
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8:18am Mon 19 Nov 12

Old Dave says...

This is a vile attack, but by blaming the bus company or the individual driver are we not missing the point? Is this another smokescreen for a compensation claim?
Lets get it straight, the perpetrators of this crime are solely to blame, not Firstbus or its employee. Would it be safe for a bus driver to abandon his cab, thus opening it up to being taken over? A double decker bus can do one hell of a lot of damage when in the wrong hands!

Also, the report says that the pensioner threw a punch, after going downstairs. Why do that? Alll that is going to do is further provoke the situation, and become as bad as the scumbags!
This is a vile attack, but by blaming the bus company or the individual driver are we not missing the point? Is this another smokescreen for a compensation claim? Lets get it straight, the perpetrators of this crime are solely to blame, not Firstbus or its employee. Would it be safe for a bus driver to abandon his cab, thus opening it up to being taken over? A double decker bus can do one hell of a lot of damage when in the wrong hands! Also, the report says that the pensioner threw a punch, after going downstairs. Why do that? Alll that is going to do is further provoke the situation, and become as bad as the scumbags! Old Dave
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8:24am Mon 19 Nov 12

tornshaunton says...

as with the riots - put the pics of the attackers on the front page of T&A - name & shame them !!!
as with the riots - put the pics of the attackers on the front page of T&A - name & shame them !!! tornshaunton
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8:56am Mon 19 Nov 12

mad matt says...

I've lost count of the number of times I have seen yobs, including girls on a bus, smoking, including canabis, and generally behaving badly. Eating and drinking or 'feet on seats' just seem to be the norm. I very much doubt that the CCTV even works on most of the busses. Reporting it to the driver usually results in a blank stare and silence.
I've lost count of the number of times I have seen yobs, including girls on a bus, smoking, including canabis, and generally behaving badly. Eating and drinking or 'feet on seats' just seem to be the norm. I very much doubt that the CCTV even works on most of the busses. Reporting it to the driver usually results in a blank stare and silence. mad matt
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9:05am Mon 19 Nov 12

OutOfBradford says...

I shudder when I think of the world my three children will live in when they're adults.
I shudder when I think of the world my three children will live in when they're adults. OutOfBradford
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9:05am Mon 19 Nov 12

RollandSmoke says...

As mentioned by idleone there should be CCTV. I say should because, dispite living with Big Brothers eagle eye watching our every move, whenever there is a crime where CCTV evidence would be useful it doesn't exist. Where's the CCTV footage from 7/7 or from when Diana was assassinated or even a couple of frames showing an aircraft hitting the Pentagon? Maybe we need conductors back on the buses leaving the driver free to concentrate on driving. By all means arm the conductors with tasers along with firemen and anyone else who's likely to come into contact with mentally deficient youths in need of some shock therapy. Just keep the tasers out of the hands of the police until they show some improvement in their own psychopathic tendencies.
As mentioned by idleone there should be CCTV. I say should because, dispite living with Big Brothers eagle eye watching our every move, whenever there is a crime where CCTV evidence would be useful it doesn't exist. Where's the CCTV footage from 7/7 or from when Diana was assassinated or even a couple of frames showing an aircraft hitting the Pentagon? Maybe we need conductors back on the buses leaving the driver free to concentrate on driving. By all means arm the conductors with tasers along with firemen and anyone else who's likely to come into contact with mentally deficient youths in need of some shock therapy. Just keep the tasers out of the hands of the police until they show some improvement in their own psychopathic tendencies. RollandSmoke
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9:17am Mon 19 Nov 12

Apollo says...

No description of those involved?

And why did the first employee who got involved simply not ring the Police and prevent a much more serious incident?

Failings all round on this one First Bradford.
No description of those involved? And why did the first employee who got involved simply not ring the Police and prevent a much more serious incident? Failings all round on this one First Bradford. Apollo
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9:19am Mon 19 Nov 12

Biker71 says...

Being an ex-First bus driver I have to call BS on the " First spokesman " saying drivers are encouraged to do what they can, whilst working for them I came to the defence of a passenger and injured my hand, I was obviously off work for a short while as it is impossible to drive safely with a heavily bandaged hand with broken bones, whilst off I was called into work on a disciplinary to answer why I left my cab, and was given a warning and " advice " on my future conduct. So this driver only did what we are repeatedly told to do, it is the First management at fault here.
Being an ex-First bus driver I have to call BS on the " First spokesman " saying drivers are encouraged to do what they can, whilst working for them I came to the defence of a passenger and injured my hand, I was obviously off work for a short while as it is impossible to drive safely with a heavily bandaged hand with broken bones, whilst off I was called into work on a disciplinary to answer why I left my cab, and was given a warning and " advice " on my future conduct. So this driver only did what we are repeatedly told to do, it is the First management at fault here. Biker71
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9:24am Mon 19 Nov 12

Joedavid says...

Yes from what others said a very difficult situation, but what I would add is were the yobs and the victim the only passengers?
If other passengers being carried how come they not help the driver and the other First employee to get the yobs off the bus?
Yes from what others said a very difficult situation, but what I would add is were the yobs and the victim the only passengers? If other passengers being carried how come they not help the driver and the other First employee to get the yobs off the bus? Joedavid
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9:55am Mon 19 Nov 12

Thee Voice of Reason says...

I dislike the way this story reads. It seems to be laying the blame at the door of first bus and it's driver rather than the 5 involved in the attack.

Why is there no details what so ever about the attackers? Age? Colour? Race? Height? Build? How they dress?

Instead of trying to point the finger of blame, lets get them caught, named and shamed.

Where did these lads get on, and off the bus to help trigger peoples memories, if it was the interchange surely CCTV camera footage is avalible, if someone else surely some kind of CCTV has picked them up during the course of the day.
I dislike the way this story reads. It seems to be laying the blame at the door of first bus and it's driver rather than the 5 involved in the attack. Why is there no details what so ever about the attackers? Age? Colour? Race? Height? Build? How they dress? Instead of trying to point the finger of blame, lets get them caught, named and shamed. Where did these lads get on, and off the bus to help trigger peoples memories, if it was the interchange surely CCTV camera footage is avalible, if someone else surely some kind of CCTV has picked them up during the course of the day. Thee Voice of Reason
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9:57am Mon 19 Nov 12

Rambo says...

Apollo wrote:
No description of those involved?

And why did the first employee who got involved simply not ring the Police and prevent a much more serious incident?

Failings all round on this one First Bradford.
Exactly. It was 12 days ago so maybe fresh in the mind of people. Not one desciption? Come on.

And what a joy it is to read the monday morning stories today. Pensioner attacked, pet killed by tav dogs, arson attacks, etc.

They can harp on all they want about choosing police commissioners, until they can seriously get a grip on this scaly mentality nothing will change.
[quote][p][bold]Apollo[/bold] wrote: No description of those involved? And why did the first employee who got involved simply not ring the Police and prevent a much more serious incident? Failings all round on this one First Bradford.[/p][/quote]Exactly. It was 12 days ago so maybe fresh in the mind of people. Not one desciption? Come on. And what a joy it is to read the monday morning stories today. Pensioner attacked, pet killed by tav dogs, arson attacks, etc. They can harp on all they want about choosing police commissioners, until they can seriously get a grip on this scaly mentality nothing will change. Rambo
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10:00am Mon 19 Nov 12

Rambo says...

Auto spelling seemed to think I meant 'tav' and not 'chav'.
Auto spelling seemed to think I meant 'tav' and not 'chav'. Rambo
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10:14am Mon 19 Nov 12

ANY WHERE BUT HERE says...

First bus prices can go up twice a year. Its time to get conductors back on, they can afford it.
Anybody who does get assaulted should chase first for a much money as they can get, there are incidents each day but first don't want you to know that.
First bus prices can go up twice a year. Its time to get conductors back on, they can afford it. Anybody who does get assaulted should chase first for a much money as they can get, there are incidents each day but first don't want you to know that. ANY WHERE BUT HERE
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10:15am Mon 19 Nov 12

BagOfMonkeys says...

Hows about demanding that Bradford Council, and its councillors, do more to stop anti-social behaviour. Hows about taking these unruly younguns and instilling some morals in them. Hows about making their parents do something for the community other than breeding more like themselves?!
Hows about demanding that Bradford Council, and its councillors, do more to stop anti-social behaviour. Hows about taking these unruly younguns and instilling some morals in them. Hows about making their parents do something for the community other than breeding more like themselves?! BagOfMonkeys
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10:16am Mon 19 Nov 12

U8MyRabbit says...

And you wonder why everyone is deserting public transport ?
And you wonder why everyone is deserting public transport ? U8MyRabbit
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10:50am Mon 19 Nov 12

georget says...

Put the blame where it Lies, THE GOVERNMENT, Justice System, Useless Policing,
Jail is like BUTLINS Quewing up to get in Bring Back Compulsory Army Service
Then we might Get Some DICIPLINE & RESPECT BACK, Cane in the Schools
& You Do Gooders, Get Buried, You Cause More Trouble Than Good
Pity Mr Gilroy, Was Only Able To Get 1 Punch In, He Was Protecting Himself, Which he has a lawful right to do, That idiot who says he should not have done that? Would they not have done, **** sure they would,
Put the blame where it Lies, THE GOVERNMENT, Justice System, Useless Policing, Jail is like BUTLINS Quewing up to get in Bring Back Compulsory Army Service Then we might Get Some DICIPLINE & RESPECT BACK, Cane in the Schools & You Do Gooders, Get Buried, You Cause More Trouble Than Good Pity Mr Gilroy, Was Only Able To Get 1 Punch In, He Was Protecting Himself, Which he has a lawful right to do, That idiot who says he should not have done that? Would they not have done, **** sure they would, georget
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10:53am Mon 19 Nov 12

U8MyRabbit says...

georget wrote:
Put the blame where it Lies, THE GOVERNMENT, Justice System, Useless Policing,
Jail is like BUTLINS Quewing up to get in Bring Back Compulsory Army Service
Then we might Get Some DICIPLINE & RESPECT BACK, Cane in the Schools
& You Do Gooders, Get Buried, You Cause More Trouble Than Good
Pity Mr Gilroy, Was Only Able To Get 1 Punch In, He Was Protecting Himself, Which he has a lawful right to do, That idiot who says he should not have done that? Would they not have done, **** sure they would,
Agree with everything said !
[quote][p][bold]georget[/bold] wrote: Put the blame where it Lies, THE GOVERNMENT, Justice System, Useless Policing, Jail is like BUTLINS Quewing up to get in Bring Back Compulsory Army Service Then we might Get Some DICIPLINE & RESPECT BACK, Cane in the Schools & You Do Gooders, Get Buried, You Cause More Trouble Than Good Pity Mr Gilroy, Was Only Able To Get 1 Punch In, He Was Protecting Himself, Which he has a lawful right to do, That idiot who says he should not have done that? Would they not have done, **** sure they would,[/p][/quote]Agree with everything said ! U8MyRabbit
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11:01am Mon 19 Nov 12

Apollo says...

georget wrote:
Put the blame where it Lies, THE GOVERNMENT, Justice System, Useless Policing, Jail is like BUTLINS Quewing up to get in Bring Back Compulsory Army Service Then we might Get Some DICIPLINE & RESPECT BACK, Cane in the Schools & You Do Gooders, Get Buried, You Cause More Trouble Than Good Pity Mr Gilroy, Was Only Able To Get 1 Punch In, He Was Protecting Himself, Which he has a lawful right to do, That idiot who says he should not have done that? Would they not have done, **** sure they would,
For God's sake use a spelling checker.

This reads like an illiterate let loose on a keyboard.
[quote][p][bold]georget[/bold] wrote: Put the blame where it Lies, THE GOVERNMENT, Justice System, Useless Policing, Jail is like BUTLINS Quewing up to get in Bring Back Compulsory Army Service Then we might Get Some DICIPLINE & RESPECT BACK, Cane in the Schools & You Do Gooders, Get Buried, You Cause More Trouble Than Good Pity Mr Gilroy, Was Only Able To Get 1 Punch In, He Was Protecting Himself, Which he has a lawful right to do, That idiot who says he should not have done that? Would they not have done, **** sure they would,[/p][/quote]For God's sake use a spelling checker. This reads like an illiterate let loose on a keyboard. Apollo
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11:10am Mon 19 Nov 12

U8MyRabbit says...

Apollo wrote:
georget wrote:
Put the blame where it Lies, THE GOVERNMENT, Justice System, Useless Policing, Jail is like BUTLINS Quewing up to get in Bring Back Compulsory Army Service Then we might Get Some DICIPLINE & RESPECT BACK, Cane in the Schools & You Do Gooders, Get Buried, You Cause More Trouble Than Good Pity Mr Gilroy, Was Only Able To Get 1 Punch In, He Was Protecting Himself, Which he has a lawful right to do, That idiot who says he should not have done that? Would they not have done, **** sure they would,
For God's sake use a spelling checker.

This reads like an illiterate let loose on a keyboard.
Apollo wrote: For God's sake use a spelling checker. This reads like an illiterate let loose on a keyboard.

The literacy is irrelevant and criticising it is stupid. It's the point that the comment makes that's important here. There is a huge lack of respect in our society for other people, their property and belongings, their well being and safety. This includes property owned by large establishments and councils et al.
[quote][p][bold]Apollo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]georget[/bold] wrote: Put the blame where it Lies, THE GOVERNMENT, Justice System, Useless Policing, Jail is like BUTLINS Quewing up to get in Bring Back Compulsory Army Service Then we might Get Some DICIPLINE & RESPECT BACK, Cane in the Schools & You Do Gooders, Get Buried, You Cause More Trouble Than Good Pity Mr Gilroy, Was Only Able To Get 1 Punch In, He Was Protecting Himself, Which he has a lawful right to do, That idiot who says he should not have done that? Would they not have done, **** sure they would,[/p][/quote]For God's sake use a spelling checker. This reads like an illiterate let loose on a keyboard.[/p][/quote][quote][p][bold]Apollo[/bold] wrote: For God's sake use a spelling checker. This reads like an illiterate let loose on a keyboard. [/p][/quote] The literacy is irrelevant and criticising it is stupid. It's the point that the comment makes that's important here. There is a huge lack of respect in our society for other people, their property and belongings, their well being and safety. This includes property owned by large establishments and councils et al. U8MyRabbit
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11:19am Mon 19 Nov 12

Albion. says...

This is a very sickening example of what the society of do-gooders and wrongdoers human rights advocates have turned this country into.
Firstly I hope that the assailants are brought to justice, although what form that "justice" actually takes, after the social enquiry reports and slick lawyers have intervened, I can only imagine.
Every one of these thugs should face flogging and a very long period of hard labour, the likelihood is that they will get away to brag and snigger about their brave exploits, if they should happen to be caught, they are more likely to face a half-hearted ticking off from a police sergeant who is probably as sick of modern society as I am.
This is a very sickening example of what the society of do-gooders and wrongdoers human rights advocates have turned this country into. Firstly I hope that the assailants are brought to justice, although what form that "justice" actually takes, after the social enquiry reports and slick lawyers have intervened, I can only imagine. Every one of these thugs should face flogging and a very long period of hard labour, the likelihood is that they will get away to brag and snigger about their brave exploits, if they should happen to be caught, they are more likely to face a half-hearted ticking off from a police sergeant who is probably as sick of modern society as I am. Albion.
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11:24am Mon 19 Nov 12

Albion. says...

U8MyRabbit wrote:
Apollo wrote:
georget wrote:
Put the blame where it Lies, THE GOVERNMENT, Justice System, Useless Policing, Jail is like BUTLINS Quewing up to get in Bring Back Compulsory Army Service Then we might Get Some DICIPLINE & RESPECT BACK, Cane in the Schools & You Do Gooders, Get Buried, You Cause More Trouble Than Good Pity Mr Gilroy, Was Only Able To Get 1 Punch In, He Was Protecting Himself, Which he has a lawful right to do, That idiot who says he should not have done that? Would they not have done, **** sure they would,
For God's sake use a spelling checker.

This reads like an illiterate let loose on a keyboard.
Apollo wrote: For God's sake use a spelling checker. This reads like an illiterate let loose on a keyboard.

The literacy is irrelevant and criticising it is stupid. It's the point that the comment makes that's important here. There is a huge lack of respect in our society for other people, their property and belongings, their well being and safety. This includes property owned by large establishments and councils et al.
The illiteracy often shown on these threads (not necessarily in this case) is often an example of lack of school and parental discipline.
A bit of discipline might just have prevented this disturbing incident.
[quote][p][bold]U8MyRabbit[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Apollo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]georget[/bold] wrote: Put the blame where it Lies, THE GOVERNMENT, Justice System, Useless Policing, Jail is like BUTLINS Quewing up to get in Bring Back Compulsory Army Service Then we might Get Some DICIPLINE & RESPECT BACK, Cane in the Schools & You Do Gooders, Get Buried, You Cause More Trouble Than Good Pity Mr Gilroy, Was Only Able To Get 1 Punch In, He Was Protecting Himself, Which he has a lawful right to do, That idiot who says he should not have done that? Would they not have done, **** sure they would,[/p][/quote]For God's sake use a spelling checker. This reads like an illiterate let loose on a keyboard.[/p][/quote][quote][p][bold]Apollo[/bold] wrote: For God's sake use a spelling checker. This reads like an illiterate let loose on a keyboard. [/p][/quote] The literacy is irrelevant and criticising it is stupid. It's the point that the comment makes that's important here. There is a huge lack of respect in our society for other people, their property and belongings, their well being and safety. This includes property owned by large establishments and councils et al.[/p][/quote]The illiteracy often shown on these threads (not necessarily in this case) is often an example of lack of school and parental discipline. A bit of discipline might just have prevented this disturbing incident. Albion.
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11:36am Mon 19 Nov 12

Silsdenman says...

U8MyRabbit wrote:
Apollo wrote:
georget wrote:
Put the blame where it Lies, THE GOVERNMENT, Justice System, Useless Policing, Jail is like BUTLINS Quewing up to get in Bring Back Compulsory Army Service Then we might Get Some DICIPLINE & RESPECT BACK, Cane in the Schools & You Do Gooders, Get Buried, You Cause More Trouble Than Good Pity Mr Gilroy, Was Only Able To Get 1 Punch In, He Was Protecting Himself, Which he has a lawful right to do, That idiot who says he should not have done that? Would they not have done, **** sure they would,
For God's sake use a spelling checker.

This reads like an illiterate let loose on a keyboard.
Apollo wrote: For God's sake use a spelling checker. This reads like an illiterate let loose on a keyboard.

The literacy is irrelevant and criticising it is stupid. It's the point that the comment makes that's important here. There is a huge lack of respect in our society for other people, their property and belongings, their well being and safety. This includes property owned by large establishments and councils et al.
The correspondent may well be making a valid point but I can't tell as the message is virtually impossible to read. Literacy is relevant as it is also indicative of the state of society. If people cannot even be taught how to communicate clearly we haven't got a hope in Hell.
[quote][p][bold]U8MyRabbit[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Apollo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]georget[/bold] wrote: Put the blame where it Lies, THE GOVERNMENT, Justice System, Useless Policing, Jail is like BUTLINS Quewing up to get in Bring Back Compulsory Army Service Then we might Get Some DICIPLINE & RESPECT BACK, Cane in the Schools & You Do Gooders, Get Buried, You Cause More Trouble Than Good Pity Mr Gilroy, Was Only Able To Get 1 Punch In, He Was Protecting Himself, Which he has a lawful right to do, That idiot who says he should not have done that? Would they not have done, **** sure they would,[/p][/quote]For God's sake use a spelling checker. This reads like an illiterate let loose on a keyboard.[/p][/quote][quote][p][bold]Apollo[/bold] wrote: For God's sake use a spelling checker. This reads like an illiterate let loose on a keyboard. [/p][/quote] The literacy is irrelevant and criticising it is stupid. It's the point that the comment makes that's important here. There is a huge lack of respect in our society for other people, their property and belongings, their well being and safety. This includes property owned by large establishments and councils et al.[/p][/quote]The correspondent may well be making a valid point but I can't tell as the message is virtually impossible to read. Literacy is relevant as it is also indicative of the state of society. If people cannot even be taught how to communicate clearly we haven't got a hope in Hell. Silsdenman
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11:36am Mon 19 Nov 12

vax2002 says...

Busses are fitted with panic alarms that send gps co-ordinates to control.
However, the alarms are falsely triggered so often, they are rarely answered.
Drivers are not allowed to use their own mobile telephones to contact police, it has to be done via bus control.
Bus control then decide if the incident is worth logging.
The system works perfectly, no serious issues "logged" = no problems on busses.
The reality is written above....
Busses are fitted with panic alarms that send gps co-ordinates to control. However, the alarms are falsely triggered so often, they are rarely answered. Drivers are not allowed to use their own mobile telephones to contact police, it has to be done via bus control. Bus control then decide if the incident is worth logging. The system works perfectly, no serious issues "logged" = no problems on busses. The reality is written above.... vax2002
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11:36am Mon 19 Nov 12

vax2002 says...

Busses are fitted with panic alarms that send gps co-ordinates to control.
However, the alarms are falsely triggered so often, they are rarely answered.
Drivers are not allowed to use their own mobile telephones to contact police, it has to be done via bus control.
Bus control then decide if the incident is worth logging.
The system works perfectly, no serious issues "logged" = no problems on buses.
The reality is written above....
Busses are fitted with panic alarms that send gps co-ordinates to control. However, the alarms are falsely triggered so often, they are rarely answered. Drivers are not allowed to use their own mobile telephones to contact police, it has to be done via bus control. Bus control then decide if the incident is worth logging. The system works perfectly, no serious issues "logged" = no problems on buses. The reality is written above.... vax2002
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11:37am Mon 19 Nov 12

U8MyRabbit says...

Who's to say the commenter isn't dyslexic or similar ?
Who's to say the yobs aren't straight A's at English ?

Unlikely perhaps, but It's still the point here that's important and I agree with them, as I do yours, Albion.
Who's to say the commenter isn't dyslexic or similar ? Who's to say the yobs aren't straight A's at English ? Unlikely perhaps, but It's still the point here that's important and I agree with them, as I do yours, Albion. U8MyRabbit
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11:43am Mon 19 Nov 12

Old Dave says...

I'm not suggesting for one minute that I wouldnt have punched them in his situation, because I probably would have done the same! But I wouldnt then blame the bus comapny if it kicked off! It would be then partly my fault as I'd contributed to the situation!
I'm not suggesting for one minute that I wouldnt have punched them in his situation, because I probably would have done the same! But I wouldnt then blame the bus comapny if it kicked off! It would be then partly my fault as I'd contributed to the situation! Old Dave
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11:48am Mon 19 Nov 12

Albion. says...

U8MyRabbit wrote:
Who's to say the commenter isn't dyslexic or similar ?
Who's to say the yobs aren't straight A's at English ?

Unlikely perhaps, but It's still the point here that's important and I agree with them, as I do yours, Albion.
Very unlikely! When I went to a village school in the 50s, every child could read out loud to the class and write legibly by the age of seven, we never heard the (trendy) word "dyslexia" then.
The "yobs" having "A" levels or whatever, isn't any indication that they have been subjected to discipline and responsible behaviour, either in the home or at school.
There are always exceptions, but a less tolerant attitude to wrongdoing would in the main lead to a fairer and more civilised society.
[quote][p][bold]U8MyRabbit[/bold] wrote: Who's to say the commenter isn't dyslexic or similar ? Who's to say the yobs aren't straight A's at English ? Unlikely perhaps, but It's still the point here that's important and I agree with them, as I do yours, Albion.[/p][/quote]Very unlikely! When I went to a village school in the 50s, every child could read out loud to the class and write legibly by the age of seven, we never heard the (trendy) word "dyslexia" then. The "yobs" having "A" levels or whatever, isn't any indication that they have been subjected to discipline and responsible behaviour, either in the home or at school. There are always exceptions, but a less tolerant attitude to wrongdoing would in the main lead to a fairer and more civilised society. Albion.
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12:05pm Mon 19 Nov 12

U8MyRabbit says...

Our current, overpriced, biased justice system has been completely distorted by the leftist, do-gooder ilk, who have systematically contributed to the gradual breakdown of our society and is continuing to do so. Until this is reversed and suitable punishments start being handed out in response to this yobbish behaviour and other crimes, it will continue unabated. Judges and magistrates are so out of touch now and the few that aren't are restricted by sentencing guidelines which are clearly influenced by the 'leftist, do-gooder ilk'. I feel sorry for the victims of crime and the overburdened taxpayer that is forced to fund this outrageous justice system.
Our current, overpriced, biased justice system has been completely distorted by the leftist, do-gooder ilk, who have systematically contributed to the gradual breakdown of our society and is continuing to do so. Until this is reversed and suitable punishments start being handed out in response to this yobbish behaviour and other crimes, it will continue unabated. Judges and magistrates are so out of touch now and the few that aren't are restricted by sentencing guidelines which are clearly influenced by the 'leftist, do-gooder ilk'. I feel sorry for the victims of crime and the overburdened taxpayer that is forced to fund this outrageous justice system. U8MyRabbit
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12:11pm Mon 19 Nov 12

RollandSmoke says...

Albion. wrote:
U8MyRabbit wrote:
Who's to say the commenter isn't dyslexic or similar ?
Who's to say the yobs aren't straight A's at English ?

Unlikely perhaps, but It's still the point here that's important and I agree with them, as I do yours, Albion.
Very unlikely! When I went to a village school in the 50s, every child could read out loud to the class and write legibly by the age of seven, we never heard the (trendy) word "dyslexia" then.
The "yobs" having "A" levels or whatever, isn't any indication that they have been subjected to discipline and responsible behaviour, either in the home or at school.
There are always exceptions, but a less tolerant attitude to wrongdoing would in the main lead to a fairer and more civilised society.
Very much depends on how you enforce discipline and show less tolerance. If it is done in a way that shows kids that the best way to get other people to do what you want and comply with your wishes is to resort to violence I can't see that it would help. The kids of today don't have the same mindset as they did when you or I were growing up.
[quote][p][bold]Albion.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]U8MyRabbit[/bold] wrote: Who's to say the commenter isn't dyslexic or similar ? Who's to say the yobs aren't straight A's at English ? Unlikely perhaps, but It's still the point here that's important and I agree with them, as I do yours, Albion.[/p][/quote]Very unlikely! When I went to a village school in the 50s, every child could read out loud to the class and write legibly by the age of seven, we never heard the (trendy) word "dyslexia" then. The "yobs" having "A" levels or whatever, isn't any indication that they have been subjected to discipline and responsible behaviour, either in the home or at school. There are always exceptions, but a less tolerant attitude to wrongdoing would in the main lead to a fairer and more civilised society.[/p][/quote]Very much depends on how you enforce discipline and show less tolerance. If it is done in a way that shows kids that the best way to get other people to do what you want and comply with your wishes is to resort to violence I can't see that it would help. The kids of today don't have the same mindset as they did when you or I were growing up. RollandSmoke
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12:21pm Mon 19 Nov 12

Silsdenman says...

RollandSmoke wrote:
Albion. wrote:
U8MyRabbit wrote:
Who's to say the commenter isn't dyslexic or similar ?
Who's to say the yobs aren't straight A's at English ?

Unlikely perhaps, but It's still the point here that's important and I agree with them, as I do yours, Albion.
Very unlikely! When I went to a village school in the 50s, every child could read out loud to the class and write legibly by the age of seven, we never heard the (trendy) word "dyslexia" then.
The "yobs" having "A" levels or whatever, isn't any indication that they have been subjected to discipline and responsible behaviour, either in the home or at school.
There are always exceptions, but a less tolerant attitude to wrongdoing would in the main lead to a fairer and more civilised society.
Very much depends on how you enforce discipline and show less tolerance. If it is done in a way that shows kids that the best way to get other people to do what you want and comply with your wishes is to resort to violence I can't see that it would help. The kids of today don't have the same mindset as they did when you or I were growing up.
Obviously discipline should not be enforced by using violence (normally) but teaching kids how to do anything properly including reading and writing needs discipline otherwise writers just do what they want and that is difficult to read. If the writer is dyslexic so be it but we shouldn't take everything down to the lowest common denominator/ benefit of the doubt to justify everything that is wrong, that is part of the overall problem
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]U8MyRabbit[/bold] wrote: Who's to say the commenter isn't dyslexic or similar ? Who's to say the yobs aren't straight A's at English ? Unlikely perhaps, but It's still the point here that's important and I agree with them, as I do yours, Albion.[/p][/quote]Very unlikely! When I went to a village school in the 50s, every child could read out loud to the class and write legibly by the age of seven, we never heard the (trendy) word "dyslexia" then. The "yobs" having "A" levels or whatever, isn't any indication that they have been subjected to discipline and responsible behaviour, either in the home or at school. There are always exceptions, but a less tolerant attitude to wrongdoing would in the main lead to a fairer and more civilised society.[/p][/quote]Very much depends on how you enforce discipline and show less tolerance. If it is done in a way that shows kids that the best way to get other people to do what you want and comply with your wishes is to resort to violence I can't see that it would help. The kids of today don't have the same mindset as they did when you or I were growing up.[/p][/quote]Obviously discipline should not be enforced by using violence (normally) but teaching kids how to do anything properly including reading and writing needs discipline otherwise writers just do what they want and that is difficult to read. If the writer is dyslexic so be it but we shouldn't take everything down to the lowest common denominator/ benefit of the doubt to justify everything that is wrong, that is part of the overall problem Silsdenman
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12:30pm Mon 19 Nov 12

birday says...

I never use Bradford buses for this very reason - if I can't go by car I walk.
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If it's not young men attempting to pick a fight by harrassing people then you're sat next to either someone playing an MP3 player loud, or someone who hasn't had a bath/washed their clothes for months or someone with mental health issues ... I hated it when the doors closed, having to stay in neutral regardless of other people's behaviour is so very difficult ... it's an endurance test that does nothing for your self esteem/respect. I couldn't wait to reach my destination and get off. These days I choose not to put myself through this so I find another way to travel.
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This incident isn't a one off it's happening all the time. I once experienced some teenages harrassing passengers, then at the next stop a huge guy with lots of aggressive tattoos and a number 1 cut got on. Even before he sat down he figured out what was going on and engaged the youths ... I thought it was going to get really nasty and I was really frightened. Thankfully the youths quietened down, however as soon as he got off the bus the youths were back to harassing the passengers. The bus driver did nothing and thankfully no one reacted, but you could sense the tension and that some people were really struggling to ignore them. The youths were changing seats, forcing passengers to talk to them, playing music loudly on their mobile phones, engaging each other in play fights and talking loudly to each other across other passengers. They really know how to do it!
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Thank goodness I have other travel options.
I never use Bradford buses for this very reason - if I can't go by car I walk. . If it's not young men attempting to pick a fight by harrassing people then you're sat next to either someone playing an MP3 player loud, or someone who hasn't had a bath/washed their clothes for months or someone with mental health issues ... I hated it when the doors closed, having to stay in neutral regardless of other people's behaviour is so very difficult ... it's an endurance test that does nothing for your self esteem/respect. I couldn't wait to reach my destination and get off. These days I choose not to put myself through this so I find another way to travel. . This incident isn't a one off it's happening all the time. I once experienced some teenages harrassing passengers, then at the next stop a huge guy with lots of aggressive tattoos and a number 1 cut got on. Even before he sat down he figured out what was going on and engaged the youths ... I thought it was going to get really nasty and I was really frightened. Thankfully the youths quietened down, however as soon as he got off the bus the youths were back to harassing the passengers. The bus driver did nothing and thankfully no one reacted, but you could sense the tension and that some people were really struggling to ignore them. The youths were changing seats, forcing passengers to talk to them, playing music loudly on their mobile phones, engaging each other in play fights and talking loudly to each other across other passengers. They really know how to do it! . Thank goodness I have other travel options. birday
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12:45pm Mon 19 Nov 12

Rachit says...

This comment is in response to Old Dave.This attack was carried out on my father-in-law and grandfather to my children, I would firstly like to say, how can you suggest that this is a smokescreen for compensation when you dont know him.The first bus employer that first went up could have defused the situation by asking them to leave the bus, then maybe this wouldnt have happened, so I disagree that they have no part to play in this. I agree that the yobs responsible need to be caught and are the first to blame and I hope they are caught very soon and face the consequences. The other comment you made about my father-in-law is that by defending himself that makes him as bad as the scum bags! How dare you??? I think he has every right to defend himself as no one else was, clearly.He is a kind gentle man and to even suggest he is anything like these scum bags is an absolute insult. May I also add that you completly contradicted yourself by then adding a comment saying you would have done the same in that situation and you would then be partly to blame. Well he is in no way to blame, END OF!!!
This comment is in response to Old Dave.This attack was carried out on my father-in-law and grandfather to my children, I would firstly like to say, how can you suggest that this is a smokescreen for compensation when you dont know him.The first bus employer that first went up could have defused the situation by asking them to leave the bus, then maybe this wouldnt have happened, so I disagree that they have no part to play in this. I agree that the yobs responsible need to be caught and are the first to blame and I hope they are caught very soon and face the consequences. The other comment you made about my father-in-law is that by defending himself that makes him as bad as the scum bags! How dare you??? I think he has every right to defend himself as no one else was, clearly.He is a kind gentle man and to even suggest he is anything like these scum bags is an absolute insult. May I also add that you completly contradicted yourself by then adding a comment saying you would have done the same in that situation and you would then be partly to blame. Well he is in no way to blame, END OF!!! Rachit
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1:04pm Mon 19 Nov 12

BertSanders says...

georget wrote:
Put the blame where it Lies, THE GOVERNMENT, Justice System, Useless Policing,
Jail is like BUTLINS Quewing up to get in Bring Back Compulsory Army Service
Then we might Get Some DICIPLINE & RESPECT BACK, Cane in the Schools
& You Do Gooders, Get Buried, You Cause More Trouble Than Good
Pity Mr Gilroy, Was Only Able To Get 1 Punch In, He Was Protecting Himself, Which he has a lawful right to do, That idiot who says he should not have done that? Would they not have done, **** sure they would,
I do not see how you can blame the Government - I am old and recall a pal in his late teens who was responsible for fathering an illigitimate child and given an affiliation order of 7 shillings and sixpence
per week - he did not pay - and was birched. I think he the decided he would pay and he later became a senior man in a very large company. It did not cause long term harm but it changed his mind rapidly - he did not want to go back for more. We are now much too soft. That was c1957.
[quote][p][bold]georget[/bold] wrote: Put the blame where it Lies, THE GOVERNMENT, Justice System, Useless Policing, Jail is like BUTLINS Quewing up to get in Bring Back Compulsory Army Service Then we might Get Some DICIPLINE & RESPECT BACK, Cane in the Schools & You Do Gooders, Get Buried, You Cause More Trouble Than Good Pity Mr Gilroy, Was Only Able To Get 1 Punch In, He Was Protecting Himself, Which he has a lawful right to do, That idiot who says he should not have done that? Would they not have done, **** sure they would,[/p][/quote]I do not see how you can blame the Government - I am old and recall a pal in his late teens who was responsible for fathering an illigitimate child and given an affiliation order of 7 shillings and sixpence per week - he did not pay - and was birched. I think he the decided he would pay and he later became a senior man in a very large company. It did not cause long term harm but it changed his mind rapidly - he did not want to go back for more. We are now much too soft. That was c1957. BertSanders
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1:10pm Mon 19 Nov 12

U8MyRabbit says...

There's no doubt, in this and age, that the fear of crime by the victim far outweighs the fear of justice by the perpetrator.
There's no doubt, in this and age, that the fear of crime by the victim far outweighs the fear of justice by the perpetrator. U8MyRabbit
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1:32pm Mon 19 Nov 12

SmudgeXVI says...

I quote Sgt Alistair Milner. " This was a cowardly attack by the individuals involved. Who had no cause to use SUCH LEVEL of vioence, particularly against a lone 68yr old man."
Does that imply a lessor degree would have been acceptable!
I quote Sgt Alistair Milner. " This was a cowardly attack by the individuals involved. Who had no cause to use SUCH LEVEL of vioence, particularly against a lone 68yr old man." Does that imply a lessor degree would have been acceptable! SmudgeXVI
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1:38pm Mon 19 Nov 12

U8MyRabbit says...

SmudgeXVI wrote:
I quote Sgt Alistair Milner. " This was a cowardly attack by the individuals involved. Who had no cause to use SUCH LEVEL of vioence, particularly against a lone 68yr old man."
Does that imply a lessor degree would have been acceptable!
Of course it does. Sgt Milner speaks like he is part of this 'tolerant society' that we live in, where we are expected to put up with a degree of crime and anti-social / thuggish behaviour !
[quote][p][bold]SmudgeXVI[/bold] wrote: I quote Sgt Alistair Milner. " This was a cowardly attack by the individuals involved. Who had no cause to use SUCH LEVEL of vioence, particularly against a lone 68yr old man." Does that imply a lessor degree would have been acceptable![/p][/quote]Of course it does. Sgt Milner speaks like he is part of this 'tolerant society' that we live in, where we are expected to put up with a degree of crime and anti-social / thuggish behaviour ! U8MyRabbit
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1:40pm Mon 19 Nov 12

Marty12 says...

Sounds like this is a job for the caped crusader, or in local terms, the new Police and Crime Commissioner.
Come on then, let's see what you can do for us all.
Sounds like this is a job for the caped crusader, or in local terms, the new Police and Crime Commissioner. Come on then, let's see what you can do for us all. Marty12
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1:40pm Mon 19 Nov 12

The Hoffster says...

Apollo wrote:
No description of those involved?

And why did the first employee who got involved simply not ring the Police and prevent a much more serious incident?

Failings all round on this one First Bradford.
The description is quite simple: they were most likely BNP/EDL scum sympathisers.

Only *they* can stoop to the level of savage animals.
[quote][p][bold]Apollo[/bold] wrote: No description of those involved? And why did the first employee who got involved simply not ring the Police and prevent a much more serious incident? Failings all round on this one First Bradford.[/p][/quote]The description is quite simple: they were most likely BNP/EDL scum sympathisers. Only *they* can stoop to the level of savage animals. The Hoffster
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1:42pm Mon 19 Nov 12

Old Dave says...

Rachit, Sorry to have upset you, and I hope your father in Law is ok, but the tone of the journalism of this peice laid the blame firmly at the door of the Bus company! That is wrong. The blame lies with the scum doing it. my comment on compensation was over stepping the mark and i apologise. But far too often stories appear on here that are clearly aimed at someone assembling a civil case against someone or some company. As for a contradiction, I'm not aware I did? How many times have people done something that they know isnt the wisest thing to do, but get angry and do it anyway? I have!

Unfortunately, this story and the discussion of it will disappear in the next few days for most of us,(sadly not for Rachit and his /her family) but it really is a case of the views that people have about the state of our country when people comment on subjects like this with knee jerk reactions (including myself).

The silent majority of this country are sick of the way things are going. A justice system that rarely makes being caught cost more than the crime pays, a compensation culture that ancourages dishonesty and blaming others, nobody accepting reponsibility for their actions and a general feeling that everybody is owed something.

We need a government that encourages growth by creating jobs. That means building more schools, prisons and hospitals, expanding the army, navy and airforce and re nationalising the energy sector. Then people are not fleeced for the things they need, more people work meaning more PAYE and less Unemployment benefit.

Also we need a justice system that properly punishes criminals, and a culture that encourages work rather than people being better off on benefit even when they are fit to work!
Rachit, Sorry to have upset you, and I hope your father in Law is ok, but the tone of the journalism of this peice laid the blame firmly at the door of the Bus company! That is wrong. The blame lies with the scum doing it. my comment on compensation was over stepping the mark and i apologise. But far too often stories appear on here that are clearly aimed at someone assembling a civil case against someone or some company. As for a contradiction, I'm not aware I did? How many times have people done something that they know isnt the wisest thing to do, but get angry and do it anyway? I have! Unfortunately, this story and the discussion of it will disappear in the next few days for most of us,(sadly not for Rachit and his /her family) but it really is a case of the views that people have about the state of our country when people comment on subjects like this with knee jerk reactions (including myself). The silent majority of this country are sick of the way things are going. A justice system that rarely makes being caught cost more than the crime pays, a compensation culture that ancourages dishonesty and blaming others, nobody accepting reponsibility for their actions and a general feeling that everybody is owed something. We need a government that encourages growth by creating jobs. That means building more schools, prisons and hospitals, expanding the army, navy and airforce and re nationalising the energy sector. Then people are not fleeced for the things they need, more people work meaning more PAYE and less Unemployment benefit. Also we need a justice system that properly punishes criminals, and a culture that encourages work rather than people being better off on benefit even when they are fit to work! Old Dave
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2:20pm Mon 19 Nov 12

BertSanders says...

BertSanders wrote:
georget wrote:
Put the blame where it Lies, THE GOVERNMENT, Justice System, Useless Policing,
Jail is like BUTLINS Quewing up to get in Bring Back Compulsory Army Service
Then we might Get Some DICIPLINE & RESPECT BACK, Cane in the Schools
& You Do Gooders, Get Buried, You Cause More Trouble Than Good
Pity Mr Gilroy, Was Only Able To Get 1 Punch In, He Was Protecting Himself, Which he has a lawful right to do, That idiot who says he should not have done that? Would they not have done, **** sure they would,
I do not see how you can blame the Government - I am old and recall a pal in his late teens who was responsible for fathering an illigitimate child and given an affiliation order of 7 shillings and sixpence
per week - he did not pay - and was birched. I think he the decided he would pay and he later became a senior man in a very large company. It did not cause long term harm but it changed his mind rapidly - he did not want to go back for more. We are now much too soft. That was c1957.
amend c1947. we perhaps did not flog in 1957. Sounds quite barbaric but it was very effective.
[quote][p][bold]BertSanders[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]georget[/bold] wrote: Put the blame where it Lies, THE GOVERNMENT, Justice System, Useless Policing, Jail is like BUTLINS Quewing up to get in Bring Back Compulsory Army Service Then we might Get Some DICIPLINE & RESPECT BACK, Cane in the Schools & You Do Gooders, Get Buried, You Cause More Trouble Than Good Pity Mr Gilroy, Was Only Able To Get 1 Punch In, He Was Protecting Himself, Which he has a lawful right to do, That idiot who says he should not have done that? Would they not have done, **** sure they would,[/p][/quote]I do not see how you can blame the Government - I am old and recall a pal in his late teens who was responsible for fathering an illigitimate child and given an affiliation order of 7 shillings and sixpence per week - he did not pay - and was birched. I think he the decided he would pay and he later became a senior man in a very large company. It did not cause long term harm but it changed his mind rapidly - he did not want to go back for more. We are now much too soft. That was c1957.[/p][/quote]amend c1947. we perhaps did not flog in 1957. Sounds quite barbaric but it was very effective. BertSanders
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3:05pm Mon 19 Nov 12

Prisoner Cell Block A says...

Round up the perpetrators, how ever many there were, bring em to VP tomorrow night and we will hand pick a selection of 'lads' at the same ratio they had to give them a vital life lesson.

It is the only thing these little gits will understand or take notice of. A decent thrashing/kicking and even strip em and then make them walk home, whilst giving their clothes/trainers to a few homeless people.
Round up the perpetrators, how ever many there were, bring em to VP tomorrow night and we will hand pick a selection of 'lads' at the same ratio they had to give them a vital life lesson. It is the only thing these little gits will understand or take notice of. A decent thrashing/kicking and even strip em and then make them walk home, whilst giving their clothes/trainers to a few homeless people. Prisoner Cell Block A
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3:22pm Mon 19 Nov 12

legallyblonde says...

I remember a good few years ago I was on the bus, some rowdy pupils from Belle Vue Boys were carrying on - when the bus got to Duckworth Lane they got off, the last one turned and started being cheeky to the driver - he charged out of his cab and kicked the lad under the chin - I bet the lad thought twice before doing that again! seriously though the state of what goes on these days we need a guard on the bus and working cctv.
I remember a good few years ago I was on the bus, some rowdy pupils from Belle Vue Boys were carrying on - when the bus got to Duckworth Lane they got off, the last one turned and started being cheeky to the driver - he charged out of his cab and kicked the lad under the chin - I bet the lad thought twice before doing that again! seriously though the state of what goes on these days we need a guard on the bus and working cctv. legallyblonde
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3:24pm Mon 19 Nov 12

Prisoner Cell Block A says...

The Hoffster wrote:
Apollo wrote:
No description of those involved?

And why did the first employee who got involved simply not ring the Police and prevent a much more serious incident?

Failings all round on this one First Bradford.
The description is quite simple: they were most likely BNP/EDL scum sympathisers.

Only *they* can stoop to the level of savage animals.
You have a description of these boys then? You would be better informing the police of what they look like so they can do their job and also check that their political persuasion is one that is permissable.


" Only *they* can stoop to the level of savage animals."


Take it they are in the middle east lobbing bombs and grenades at each other too just over an argument about whose fairytale is the best.

That isn't a dig at the innocent civilians on any side of this terrible conflict but more aimed at the 'savage animals' leading the countries in that region and being backed by our very own 'savage animals' in the shape of arms etc.
[quote][p][bold]The Hoffster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Apollo[/bold] wrote: No description of those involved? And why did the first employee who got involved simply not ring the Police and prevent a much more serious incident? Failings all round on this one First Bradford.[/p][/quote]The description is quite simple: they were most likely BNP/EDL scum sympathisers. Only *they* can stoop to the level of savage animals.[/p][/quote]You have a description of these boys then? You would be better informing the police of what they look like so they can do their job and also check that their political persuasion is one that is permissable. " Only *they* can stoop to the level of savage animals." Take it they are in the middle east lobbing bombs and grenades at each other too just over an argument about whose fairytale is the best. That isn't a dig at the innocent civilians on any side of this terrible conflict but more aimed at the 'savage animals' leading the countries in that region and being backed by our very own 'savage animals' in the shape of arms etc. Prisoner Cell Block A
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3:27pm Mon 19 Nov 12

Apollo says...

The Hoffster wrote:
Apollo wrote: No description of those involved? And why did the first employee who got involved simply not ring the Police and prevent a much more serious incident? Failings all round on this one First Bradford.
The description is quite simple: they were most likely BNP/EDL scum sympathisers. Only *they* can stoop to the level of savage animals.
Troll alert.
[quote][p][bold]The Hoffster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Apollo[/bold] wrote: No description of those involved? And why did the first employee who got involved simply not ring the Police and prevent a much more serious incident? Failings all round on this one First Bradford.[/p][/quote]The description is quite simple: they were most likely BNP/EDL scum sympathisers. Only *they* can stoop to the level of savage animals.[/p][/quote]Troll alert. Apollo
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3:30pm Mon 19 Nov 12

Yorkshire Lass says...

Only half a story again from T & A. Which route did this happen on so that other vunerable people can be on their guard. Also I believe that all buses have CCTV so surely that can be used in this case. As for the driver, what a coward watching as this yobs beat up and old man, why didn't he dial 999? Bradford is becoming a feral city and hopefully the new Police Commissioner will put a stop to all this, as he has promised.
Only half a story again from T & A. Which route did this happen on so that other vunerable people can be on their guard. Also I believe that all buses have CCTV so surely that can be used in this case. As for the driver, what a coward watching as this yobs beat up and old man, why didn't he dial 999? Bradford is becoming a feral city and hopefully the new Police Commissioner will put a stop to all this, as he has promised. Yorkshire Lass
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4:05pm Mon 19 Nov 12

RollandSmoke says...

So First is there any CCTV or not? If not why not? If someone pays to travel on your buses they are paying for a service. A big part of that service is their trust that you will ensure their safety. We talk on here regularly about posting pictures of trouble causers, if you have trouble causers on your buses your cameras should be constantly running. I should imagine your insurance company wouldn't be very happy about it if they wern't. If you have an incident like this the T&A should be able to at least have stills. There is obviously a discipline problem in Bradford and we keep blaming the parents but unless you alert them to what their little darling is like when their back is turned how are they supposed to stop it? Here's an idea why don't you look into livestreaming the school runs?
So First is there any CCTV or not? If not why not? If someone pays to travel on your buses they are paying for a service. A big part of that service is their trust that you will ensure their safety. We talk on here regularly about posting pictures of trouble causers, if you have trouble causers on your buses your cameras should be constantly running. I should imagine your insurance company wouldn't be very happy about it if they wern't. If you have an incident like this the T&A should be able to at least have stills. There is obviously a discipline problem in Bradford and we keep blaming the parents but unless you alert them to what their little darling is like when their back is turned how are they supposed to stop it? Here's an idea why don't you look into livestreaming the school runs? RollandSmoke
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4:12pm Mon 19 Nov 12

BabyDave says...

tornshaunton wrote:
as with the riots - put the pics of the attackers on the front page of T&A - name & shame them !!!
yes, but only IF and when found GUILTY in a court of law.
[quote][p][bold]tornshaunton[/bold] wrote: as with the riots - put the pics of the attackers on the front page of T&A - name & shame them !!![/p][/quote]yes, but only IF and when found GUILTY in a court of law. BabyDave
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4:35pm Mon 19 Nov 12

The Hoffster says...

Apollo wrote:
The Hoffster wrote:
Apollo wrote: No description of those involved? And why did the first employee who got involved simply not ring the Police and prevent a much more serious incident? Failings all round on this one First Bradford.
The description is quite simple: they were most likely BNP/EDL scum sympathisers. Only *they* can stoop to the level of savage animals.
Troll alert.
Where?! {confused}
[quote][p][bold]Apollo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Hoffster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Apollo[/bold] wrote: No description of those involved? And why did the first employee who got involved simply not ring the Police and prevent a much more serious incident? Failings all round on this one First Bradford.[/p][/quote]The description is quite simple: they were most likely BNP/EDL scum sympathisers. Only *they* can stoop to the level of savage animals.[/p][/quote]Troll alert.[/p][/quote]Where?! {confused} The Hoffster
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5:03pm Mon 19 Nov 12

angry bradfordian says...

The Hoffster wrote:
Apollo wrote:
The Hoffster wrote:
Apollo wrote: No description of those involved? And why did the first employee who got involved simply not ring the Police and prevent a much more serious incident? Failings all round on this one First Bradford.
The description is quite simple: they were most likely BNP/EDL scum sympathisers. Only *they* can stoop to the level of savage animals.
Troll alert.
Where?! {confused}
Definition of troll:
"a troll is someone who posts inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as a forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking readers into an emotional response"

Unless you've got some evidence of who carried out this terrible attack (which you would have course contacted the police over) there's no other reason why you would have suggested a specific type of person carried out the attack other than to provoke 'an emotional response'


Back on the subject, I don't understand why it's taken 12 days for the police to appeal for information. Surely any info that the public had wouldn't be fresh in the mind now?
[quote][p][bold]The Hoffster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Apollo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Hoffster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Apollo[/bold] wrote: No description of those involved? And why did the first employee who got involved simply not ring the Police and prevent a much more serious incident? Failings all round on this one First Bradford.[/p][/quote]The description is quite simple: they were most likely BNP/EDL scum sympathisers. Only *they* can stoop to the level of savage animals.[/p][/quote]Troll alert.[/p][/quote]Where?! {confused}[/p][/quote]Definition of troll: "a troll is someone who posts inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as a forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking readers into an emotional response" Unless you've got some evidence of who carried out this terrible attack (which you would have course contacted the police over) there's no other reason why you would have suggested a specific type of person carried out the attack other than to provoke 'an emotional response' Back on the subject, I don't understand why it's taken 12 days for the police to appeal for information. Surely any info that the public had wouldn't be fresh in the mind now? angry bradfordian
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5:11pm Mon 19 Nov 12

Mike Strutter says...

Rachit wrote:
This comment is in response to Old Dave.This attack was carried out on my father-in-law and grandfather to my children, I would firstly like to say, how can you suggest that this is a smokescreen for compensation when you dont know him.The first bus employer that first went up could have defused the situation by asking them to leave the bus, then maybe this wouldnt have happened, so I disagree that they have no part to play in this. I agree that the yobs responsible need to be caught and are the first to blame and I hope they are caught very soon and face the consequences. The other comment you made about my father-in-law is that by defending himself that makes him as bad as the scum bags! How dare you??? I think he has every right to defend himself as no one else was, clearly.He is a kind gentle man and to even suggest he is anything like these scum bags is an absolute insult. May I also add that you completly contradicted yourself by then adding a comment saying you would have done the same in that situation and you would then be partly to blame. Well he is in no way to blame, END OF!!!
Hear hear.
The bus company has a duty of care to its passengers. First have to take some responsibility here.
The question quite rightly being asked is why did the bus driver go upstairs and then back off ? He had the power to ask the youths to leave and if he feels threatened then he calls bus control for immediate assistance not carry on until we have a scenario where this old gentleman gets assaulted .
[quote][p][bold]Rachit[/bold] wrote: This comment is in response to Old Dave.This attack was carried out on my father-in-law and grandfather to my children, I would firstly like to say, how can you suggest that this is a smokescreen for compensation when you dont know him.The first bus employer that first went up could have defused the situation by asking them to leave the bus, then maybe this wouldnt have happened, so I disagree that they have no part to play in this. I agree that the yobs responsible need to be caught and are the first to blame and I hope they are caught very soon and face the consequences. The other comment you made about my father-in-law is that by defending himself that makes him as bad as the scum bags! How dare you??? I think he has every right to defend himself as no one else was, clearly.He is a kind gentle man and to even suggest he is anything like these scum bags is an absolute insult. May I also add that you completly contradicted yourself by then adding a comment saying you would have done the same in that situation and you would then be partly to blame. Well he is in no way to blame, END OF!!![/p][/quote]Hear hear. The bus company has a duty of care to its passengers. First have to take some responsibility here. The question quite rightly being asked is why did the bus driver go upstairs and then back off ? He had the power to ask the youths to leave and if he feels threatened then he calls bus control for immediate assistance not carry on until we have a scenario where this old gentleman gets assaulted . Mike Strutter
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5:33pm Mon 19 Nov 12

GABRIEL.NORDE says...

I was once a bus driver in the 70's and, this would'nt have happend. I find it utterly SHAMEFUL and DISGRACEFUL, that a driver could'nt go to a poor man's AID, getting BRUTALLY attacked on his bus. I CALL THIS BUS DRIVER A DIRTY COWARD. He should be disciplined and, if the poor victim is correct, so should the RECEPTIONIST who took his call, who was insensitive to his complaint. Finally, First Bus ought to be held accountable too, for THE INADEQUATE SAFETY of PASSENGERS ON THEIR SERVICES...UTTERLY DISGRACEFUL.
I was once a bus driver in the 70's and, this would'nt have happend. I find it utterly SHAMEFUL and DISGRACEFUL, that a driver could'nt go to a poor man's AID, getting BRUTALLY attacked on his bus. I CALL THIS BUS DRIVER A DIRTY COWARD. He should be disciplined and, if the poor victim is correct, so should the RECEPTIONIST who took his call, who was insensitive to his complaint. Finally, First Bus ought to be held accountable too, for THE INADEQUATE SAFETY of PASSENGERS ON THEIR SERVICES...UTTERLY DISGRACEFUL. GABRIEL.NORDE
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6:11pm Mon 19 Nov 12

Tinybantam says...

angry bradfordian wrote:
The Hoffster wrote:
Apollo wrote:
The Hoffster wrote:
Apollo wrote: No description of those involved? And why did the first employee who got involved simply not ring the Police and prevent a much more serious incident? Failings all round on this one First Bradford.
The description is quite simple: they were most likely BNP/EDL scum sympathisers. Only *they* can stoop to the level of savage animals.
Troll alert.
Where?! {confused}
Definition of troll:
"a troll is someone who posts inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as a forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking readers into an emotional response"

Unless you've got some evidence of who carried out this terrible attack (which you would have course contacted the police over) there's no other reason why you would have suggested a specific type of person carried out the attack other than to provoke 'an emotional response'


Back on the subject, I don't understand why it's taken 12 days for the police to appeal for information. Surely any info that the public had wouldn't be fresh in the mind now?
The Hoffster......you really are a troll if you believe the rubbish that you write. If only the EDL/BNP can stoop to the level of savage animals, then how come my friends son, was attacked and badly beaten in Great Horton Road, by five Asian youths. He was minding his own business walking home, when they jumped on him for no reason, and after giving him a beating, they stole his mobile and his wallet and walked off laughing.....IN BROAD DAYLIGHT too. Don't judge everyone by your own standards, and don't jump to conclusions either. As for the scum who did commit this attack, they should be put in the stocks, in the city park on a Saturday morning and then at 4pm they should be tied to a lampost and Cat-o-nine-tailed or birched. It might make them think in future before the decide to attack innocent people.
[quote][p][bold]angry bradfordian[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Hoffster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Apollo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Hoffster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Apollo[/bold] wrote: No description of those involved? And why did the first employee who got involved simply not ring the Police and prevent a much more serious incident? Failings all round on this one First Bradford.[/p][/quote]The description is quite simple: they were most likely BNP/EDL scum sympathisers. Only *they* can stoop to the level of savage animals.[/p][/quote]Troll alert.[/p][/quote]Where?! {confused}[/p][/quote]Definition of troll: "a troll is someone who posts inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as a forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking readers into an emotional response" Unless you've got some evidence of who carried out this terrible attack (which you would have course contacted the police over) there's no other reason why you would have suggested a specific type of person carried out the attack other than to provoke 'an emotional response' Back on the subject, I don't understand why it's taken 12 days for the police to appeal for information. Surely any info that the public had wouldn't be fresh in the mind now?[/p][/quote]The Hoffster......you really are a troll if you believe the rubbish that you write. If only the EDL/BNP can stoop to the level of savage animals, then how come my friends son, was attacked and badly beaten in Great Horton Road, by five Asian youths. He was minding his own business walking home, when they jumped on him for no reason, and after giving him a beating, they stole his mobile and his wallet and walked off laughing.....IN BROAD DAYLIGHT too. Don't judge everyone by your own standards, and don't jump to conclusions either. As for the scum who did commit this attack, they should be put in the stocks, in the city park on a Saturday morning and then at 4pm they should be tied to a lampost and Cat-o-nine-tailed or birched. It might make them think in future before the decide to attack innocent people. Tinybantam
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7:12pm Mon 19 Nov 12

The Straight talker says...

Absolutely disgusting, but while ever we have a goverment that lets these yobs off, this country will never be safe from these cowards, i know from experience after giving a group of youths a good slapping for been abusive and trying to be violent towards me. Little did they know i have a black belt in Karate lmao.
Apart from having CCTV on buses they should also be fitted with dead lock doors so if there is a problem the driver can press a panic button trapping the wasters in then alert the police to deal with them. They should then be put in stocks outside the town hal so passing people can abuse them by kicking there arse. But like always if there caught they'll get 100hrs community cutting grass or something then finish that to do it all again... I cant understand why this country puts up with it when others dont......
Absolutely disgusting, but while ever we have a goverment that lets these yobs off, this country will never be safe from these cowards, i know from experience after giving a group of youths a good slapping for been abusive and trying to be violent towards me. Little did they know i have a black belt in Karate lmao. Apart from having CCTV on buses they should also be fitted with dead lock doors so if there is a problem the driver can press a panic button trapping the wasters in then alert the police to deal with them. They should then be put in stocks outside the town hal so passing people can abuse them by kicking there arse. But like always if there caught they'll get 100hrs community cutting grass or something then finish that to do it all again... I cant understand why this country puts up with it when others dont...... The Straight talker
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7:30pm Mon 19 Nov 12

Victor Clayton says...

Mike Strutter wrote:
Rachit wrote: This comment is in response to Old Dave.This attack was carried out on my father-in-law and grandfather to my children, I would firstly like to say, how can you suggest that this is a smokescreen for compensation when you dont know him.The first bus employer that first went up could have defused the situation by asking them to leave the bus, then maybe this wouldnt have happened, so I disagree that they have no part to play in this. I agree that the yobs responsible need to be caught and are the first to blame and I hope they are caught very soon and face the consequences. The other comment you made about my father-in-law is that by defending himself that makes him as bad as the scum bags! How dare you??? I think he has every right to defend himself as no one else was, clearly.He is a kind gentle man and to even suggest he is anything like these scum bags is an absolute insult. May I also add that you completly contradicted yourself by then adding a comment saying you would have done the same in that situation and you would then be partly to blame. Well he is in no way to blame, END OF!!!
Hear hear. The bus company has a duty of care to its passengers. First have to take some responsibility here. The question quite rightly being asked is why did the bus driver go upstairs and then back off ? He had the power to ask the youths to leave and if he feels threatened then he calls bus control for immediate assistance not carry on until we have a scenario where this old gentleman gets assaulted .
A pensioner get beat up on a bus and you blame the pensioner. unbelievable. hang your head in shame Dave
[quote][p][bold]Mike Strutter[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rachit[/bold] wrote: This comment is in response to Old Dave.This attack was carried out on my father-in-law and grandfather to my children, I would firstly like to say, how can you suggest that this is a smokescreen for compensation when you dont know him.The first bus employer that first went up could have defused the situation by asking them to leave the bus, then maybe this wouldnt have happened, so I disagree that they have no part to play in this. I agree that the yobs responsible need to be caught and are the first to blame and I hope they are caught very soon and face the consequences. The other comment you made about my father-in-law is that by defending himself that makes him as bad as the scum bags! How dare you??? I think he has every right to defend himself as no one else was, clearly.He is a kind gentle man and to even suggest he is anything like these scum bags is an absolute insult. May I also add that you completly contradicted yourself by then adding a comment saying you would have done the same in that situation and you would then be partly to blame. Well he is in no way to blame, END OF!!![/p][/quote]Hear hear. The bus company has a duty of care to its passengers. First have to take some responsibility here. The question quite rightly being asked is why did the bus driver go upstairs and then back off ? He had the power to ask the youths to leave and if he feels threatened then he calls bus control for immediate assistance not carry on until we have a scenario where this old gentleman gets assaulted .[/p][/quote]A pensioner get beat up on a bus and you blame the pensioner. unbelievable. hang your head in shame Dave Victor Clayton
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7:40pm Mon 19 Nov 12

Brannigan says...

So if we take into account most of the comments above the following action must be taken First Bus will train all of their staff to be black belt 'Bruce Lee' karate experts as well as driving the bus. They will will tackle any gangs and knock them out. They will be free of any accusations of assault and cannot be prosecuted. In order to ensure a fast response as requested above an armed police officer will ride shotgun on every bus - just in case. Let the police investigate this incident and not jump to conclusions.
So if we take into account most of the comments above the following action must be taken First Bus will train all of their staff to be black belt 'Bruce Lee' karate experts as well as driving the bus. They will will tackle any gangs and knock them out. They will be free of any accusations of assault and cannot be prosecuted. In order to ensure a fast response as requested above an armed police officer will ride shotgun on every bus - just in case. Let the police investigate this incident and not jump to conclusions. Brannigan
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8:46pm Mon 19 Nov 12

tornshaunton says...

BabyDave wrote:
tornshaunton wrote:
as with the riots - put the pics of the attackers on the front page of T&A - name & shame them !!!
yes, but only IF and when found GUILTY in a court of law.
"Police are looking for these males in connection with an assault that occurred recently, if only to rule them out of further enquiries". - is that what the front page should read ???
[quote][p][bold]BabyDave[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tornshaunton[/bold] wrote: as with the riots - put the pics of the attackers on the front page of T&A - name & shame them !!![/p][/quote]yes, but only IF and when found GUILTY in a court of law.[/p][/quote]"Police are looking for these males in connection with an assault that occurred recently, if only to rule them out of further enquiries". - is that what the front page should read ??? tornshaunton
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9:22pm Mon 19 Nov 12

BigFigure says...

Yorkshire Lass wrote:
Only half a story again from T & A. Which route did this happen on so that other vunerable people can be on their guard. Also I believe that all buses have CCTV so surely that can be used in this case. As for the driver, what a coward watching as this yobs beat up and old man, why didn't he dial 999? Bradford is becoming a feral city and hopefully the new Police Commissioner will put a stop to all this, as he has promised.
err....think it says 636 in the report with Mr Gilroy going home to Clayton...a few clues there...
[quote][p][bold]Yorkshire Lass[/bold] wrote: Only half a story again from T & A. Which route did this happen on so that other vunerable people can be on their guard. Also I believe that all buses have CCTV so surely that can be used in this case. As for the driver, what a coward watching as this yobs beat up and old man, why didn't he dial 999? Bradford is becoming a feral city and hopefully the new Police Commissioner will put a stop to all this, as he has promised.[/p][/quote]err....think it says 636 in the report with Mr Gilroy going home to Clayton...a few clues there... BigFigure
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9:29pm Mon 19 Nov 12

Whoisevans? says...

It's not a drivers job to act he has to be responsible for his passengers but he should have a quick response button alarm fitted for such circumstances. For his safety also.
It's not a drivers job to act he has to be responsible for his passengers but he should have a quick response button alarm fitted for such circumstances. For his safety also. Whoisevans?
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9:33pm Mon 19 Nov 12

justjustice says...

I am sure people wanted to help, it's just that they were most likely of either being stabbed to death, or when, if, police arrived they they themselve would have been arrested and charged for GBH instead, cos kids can do no wrong, right.

Has the concil or the government even asked themselves why these kids feel, let's face it they know they can get away with all of this, the government needs to ask itself why this has happened. And of course the answer is their silly laws and the mockery they call a "just-is" system.
I am sure people wanted to help, it's just that they were most likely of either being stabbed to death, or when, if, police arrived they they themselve would have been arrested and charged for GBH instead, cos kids can do no wrong, right. Has the concil or the government even asked themselves why these kids feel, let's face it they know they can get away with all of this, the government needs to ask itself why this has happened. And of course the answer is their silly laws and the mockery they call a "just-is" system. justjustice
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11:31pm Mon 19 Nov 12

frustratedlad says...

idleone wrote:
So how about the CCTV fitted to all first vehicles. Is this not true, if so why is it not being used as evidence in a criminal prosecution. If no CCTV then I would urge the victim to take a private prosecution out against First Bradford for failure to protect their passengers.
i can tell you with certainty. drivers will not get involved, the company do not back drivers up AT ALL, they are pressured, hounded, accused, disciplined, threatened, and treat with disrespect.
they are not allowed to get out of cabs, and fear the threat of losing our jobs for any little infringement.

they put up with threats from passengers, being spat on, sworn at, verbally and racially abused, and all they do is come to work to earn a living.

its the minority of passengers who make the majority suffer, all the company are interested in is money money money,

complaining is a waste of time,
i really feel for the old man but the idiots they are FORCED to allow travel out of fear of losing their own jobs are out of control until they are left alone to do their jobs. and get the back up from the guys who run the busses.

these men who drive around in company cars and wouldnt even know how to start a bus never mind drive one really need a reality check.

i travel extensively on busses and can tell you bradford busses are the worst i have ever seen, they are filthy, smell, cold, they often look like rubbish bins, and thats just a total lack of respect from the traveling public

drivers used to tell passengers to keep feet of seats, dont eat or drink, keep bad language down, etc etc etc but so many drivers have had disciplinary action through fabricated crap that they no longer bother

its a sad sad sad state of affairs.

no inspectors on the streets, no supervisors in bus stations, only 2 revenue protection officers FOR ALL OF WEST YORKSHIRE, that includes halifax huddersfield, leeds, bradford, just imagine how many hundreds and hundreds of bus journeys that is,

there is no support for drivers AT ALL
radios are not answered, in fact radios in the cabs generally do not work

emergency calls to depot are often ignored

the company just DO NOT CARE about you, me or any tom dick or harry.

MONEY MONEY MONEY end of story
[quote][p][bold]idleone[/bold] wrote: So how about the CCTV fitted to all first vehicles. Is this not true, if so why is it not being used as evidence in a criminal prosecution. If no CCTV then I would urge the victim to take a private prosecution out against First Bradford for failure to protect their passengers.[/p][/quote]i can tell you with certainty. drivers will not get involved, the company do not back drivers up AT ALL, they are pressured, hounded, accused, disciplined, threatened, and treat with disrespect. they are not allowed to get out of cabs, and fear the threat of losing our jobs for any little infringement. they put up with threats from passengers, being spat on, sworn at, verbally and racially abused, and all they do is come to work to earn a living. its the minority of passengers who make the majority suffer, all the company are interested in is money money money, complaining is a waste of time, i really feel for the old man but the idiots they are FORCED to allow travel out of fear of losing their own jobs are out of control until they are left alone to do their jobs. and get the back up from the guys who run the busses. these men who drive around in company cars and wouldnt even know how to start a bus never mind drive one really need a reality check. i travel extensively on busses and can tell you bradford busses are the worst i have ever seen, they are filthy, smell, cold, they often look like rubbish bins, and thats just a total lack of respect from the traveling public drivers used to tell passengers to keep feet of seats, dont eat or drink, keep bad language down, etc etc etc but so many drivers have had disciplinary action through fabricated crap that they no longer bother its a sad sad sad state of affairs. no inspectors on the streets, no supervisors in bus stations, only 2 revenue protection officers FOR ALL OF WEST YORKSHIRE, that includes halifax huddersfield, leeds, bradford, just imagine how many hundreds and hundreds of bus journeys that is, there is no support for drivers AT ALL radios are not answered, in fact radios in the cabs generally do not work emergency calls to depot are often ignored the company just DO NOT CARE about you, me or any tom dick or harry. MONEY MONEY MONEY end of story frustratedlad
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12:03am Tue 20 Nov 12

Wanna Have says...

Tinybantam wrote:
angry bradfordian wrote:
The Hoffster wrote:
Apollo wrote:
The Hoffster wrote:
Apollo wrote: No description of those involved? And why did the first employee who got involved simply not ring the Police and prevent a much more serious incident? Failings all round on this one First Bradford.
The description is quite simple: they were most likely BNP/EDL scum sympathisers. Only *they* can stoop to the level of savage animals.
Troll alert.
Where?! {confused}
Definition of troll: "a troll is someone who posts inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as a forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking readers into an emotional response" Unless you've got some evidence of who carried out this terrible attack (which you would have course contacted the police over) there's no other reason why you would have suggested a specific type of person carried out the attack other than to provoke 'an emotional response' Back on the subject, I don't understand why it's taken 12 days for the police to appeal for information. Surely any info that the public had wouldn't be fresh in the mind now?
The Hoffster......you really are a troll if you believe the rubbish that you write. If only the EDL/BNP can stoop to the level of savage animals, then how come my friends son, was attacked and badly beaten in Great Horton Road, by five Asian youths. He was minding his own business walking home, when they jumped on him for no reason, and after giving him a beating, they stole his mobile and his wallet and walked off laughing.....IN BROAD DAYLIGHT too. Don't judge everyone by your own standards, and don't jump to conclusions either. As for the scum who did commit this attack, they should be put in the stocks, in the city park on a Saturday morning and then at 4pm they should be tied to a lampost and Cat-o-nine-tailed or birched. It might make them think in future before the decide to attack innocent people.
No doubt a race crime if your lad is white.
they just nick the phone at the end of the attack to cover their backs and plead guilty to street robbery in the highly unlikely event they are caught.the authorities choose what direction they want this to go, if it was 5 white lads beating up a pakistani ethnic origin the book would be thrown at them, it would probably make the national news.
Keep quiet in Bradford put up shut up and go away is the policy as it's not in our backyard.
[quote][p][bold]Tinybantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]angry bradfordian[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Hoffster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Apollo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Hoffster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Apollo[/bold] wrote: No description of those involved? And why did the first employee who got involved simply not ring the Police and prevent a much more serious incident? Failings all round on this one First Bradford.[/p][/quote]The description is quite simple: they were most likely BNP/EDL scum sympathisers. Only *they* can stoop to the level of savage animals.[/p][/quote]Troll alert.[/p][/quote]Where?! {confused}[/p][/quote]Definition of troll: "a troll is someone who posts inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as a forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking readers into an emotional response" Unless you've got some evidence of who carried out this terrible attack (which you would have course contacted the police over) there's no other reason why you would have suggested a specific type of person carried out the attack other than to provoke 'an emotional response' Back on the subject, I don't understand why it's taken 12 days for the police to appeal for information. Surely any info that the public had wouldn't be fresh in the mind now?[/p][/quote]The Hoffster......you really are a troll if you believe the rubbish that you write. If only the EDL/BNP can stoop to the level of savage animals, then how come my friends son, was attacked and badly beaten in Great Horton Road, by five Asian youths. He was minding his own business walking home, when they jumped on him for no reason, and after giving him a beating, they stole his mobile and his wallet and walked off laughing.....IN BROAD DAYLIGHT too. Don't judge everyone by your own standards, and don't jump to conclusions either. As for the scum who did commit this attack, they should be put in the stocks, in the city park on a Saturday morning and then at 4pm they should be tied to a lampost and Cat-o-nine-tailed or birched. It might make them think in future before the decide to attack innocent people.[/p][/quote]No doubt a race crime if your lad is white. they just nick the phone at the end of the attack to cover their backs and plead guilty to street robbery in the highly unlikely event they are caught.the authorities choose what direction they want this to go, if it was 5 white lads beating up a pakistani ethnic origin the book would be thrown at them, it would probably make the national news. Keep quiet in Bradford put up shut up and go away is the policy as it's not in our backyard. Wanna Have
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2:53am Tue 20 Nov 12

XBradfordian says...

Sorry to read about Freddie, Hope your doing O.K. mate, life aint fair when they pick on O.A.P.s, take care Freddie and mend quickly.....ex workmate @ fields
Sorry to read about Freddie, Hope your doing O.K. mate, life aint fair when they pick on O.A.P.s, take care Freddie and mend quickly.....ex workmate @ fields XBradfordian
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8:41am Tue 20 Nov 12

Yeah Yeah Yeah! says...

First need to put the heating on the bus and clean them in the evening. This will encourage passengers to travel. More passengers travel will mean safety in numbers. Out number the yobs.
First need to put the heating on the bus and clean them in the evening. This will encourage passengers to travel. More passengers travel will mean safety in numbers. Out number the yobs. Yeah Yeah Yeah!
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9:46am Tue 20 Nov 12

JessWilson says...

And during this whole event, no one had the wits to use their own phone to call the police or the camera in it to help identify those idiots later? I despair
And during this whole event, no one had the wits to use their own phone to call the police or the camera in it to help identify those idiots later? I despair JessWilson
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9:52am Tue 20 Nov 12

CJones101 says...

It doesn't matter how much money the council pump into a vanity pool, how much lobbying councillors do in London - to state Bradford is the place to invest - for as long as incidence like this occur and make national press - investors will think twice about investing in an area which on the surface looks to be infested by a feral population.

Its time for zero tolerance to all crime around Bradford.
It doesn't matter how much money the council pump into a vanity pool, how much lobbying councillors do in London - to state Bradford is the place to invest - for as long as incidence like this occur and make national press - investors will think twice about investing in an area which on the surface looks to be infested by a feral population. Its time for zero tolerance to all crime around Bradford. CJones101
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11:43am Tue 20 Nov 12

aje2010 says...

Thank you to those who have said this is isn't a First Buses problem but instead a 'Society issue.
As in the case of the Bradford riots these young offenders firstly need proper upbringing, good teachings and education, support and if all that fails an appropriate punishment.
Thank you to those who have said this is isn't a First Buses problem but instead a 'Society issue. As in the case of the Bradford riots these young offenders firstly need proper upbringing, good teachings and education, support and if all that fails an appropriate punishment. aje2010
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12:50pm Tue 20 Nov 12

theoutsider says...

Its simple this ...First Bus have a duty of care for passengers on their bus. Least the jobsworth driver needed to do was stop the bus, call the cops and then join in with the scrap ! to help the pensioner.

First Bus failed on all counts - its compo probably cost em £5K-£10K for injuries sustained by the pensioner on their property plus costs.

At least the pensioner might be able to heat his house for the winter now, but had to get roughed up with the help of First Bus to do so.
Its simple this ...First Bus have a duty of care for passengers on their bus. Least the jobsworth driver needed to do was stop the bus, call the cops and then join in with the scrap ! to help the pensioner. First Bus failed on all counts - its compo probably cost em £5K-£10K for injuries sustained by the pensioner on their property plus costs. At least the pensioner might be able to heat his house for the winter now, but had to get roughed up with the help of First Bus to do so. theoutsider
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1:37pm Tue 20 Nov 12

The Hoffster says...

Tinybantam wrote:
angry bradfordian wrote:
The Hoffster wrote:
Apollo wrote:
The Hoffster wrote:
Apollo wrote: No description of those involved? And why did the first employee who got involved simply not ring the Police and prevent a much more serious incident? Failings all round on this one First Bradford.
The description is quite simple: they were most likely BNP/EDL scum sympathisers. Only *they* can stoop to the level of savage animals.
Troll alert.
Where?! {confused}
Definition of troll:
"a troll is someone who posts inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as a forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking readers into an emotional response"

Unless you've got some evidence of who carried out this terrible attack (which you would have course contacted the police over) there's no other reason why you would have suggested a specific type of person carried out the attack other than to provoke 'an emotional response'


Back on the subject, I don't understand why it's taken 12 days for the police to appeal for information. Surely any info that the public had wouldn't be fresh in the mind now?
The Hoffster......you really are a troll if you believe the rubbish that you write. If only the EDL/BNP can stoop to the level of savage animals, then how come my friends son, was attacked and badly beaten in Great Horton Road, by five Asian youths. He was minding his own business walking home, when they jumped on him for no reason, and after giving him a beating, they stole his mobile and his wallet and walked off laughing.....IN BROAD DAYLIGHT too. Don't judge everyone by your own standards, and don't jump to conclusions either. As for the scum who did commit this attack, they should be put in the stocks, in the city park on a Saturday morning and then at 4pm they should be tied to a lampost and Cat-o-nine-tailed or birched. It might make them think in future before the decide to attack innocent people.
Those who attacked your friend's son were savage animals too.
[quote][p][bold]Tinybantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]angry bradfordian[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Hoffster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Apollo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Hoffster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Apollo[/bold] wrote: No description of those involved? And why did the first employee who got involved simply not ring the Police and prevent a much more serious incident? Failings all round on this one First Bradford.[/p][/quote]The description is quite simple: they were most likely BNP/EDL scum sympathisers. Only *they* can stoop to the level of savage animals.[/p][/quote]Troll alert.[/p][/quote]Where?! {confused}[/p][/quote]Definition of troll: "a troll is someone who posts inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as a forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking readers into an emotional response" Unless you've got some evidence of who carried out this terrible attack (which you would have course contacted the police over) there's no other reason why you would have suggested a specific type of person carried out the attack other than to provoke 'an emotional response' Back on the subject, I don't understand why it's taken 12 days for the police to appeal for information. Surely any info that the public had wouldn't be fresh in the mind now?[/p][/quote]The Hoffster......you really are a troll if you believe the rubbish that you write. If only the EDL/BNP can stoop to the level of savage animals, then how come my friends son, was attacked and badly beaten in Great Horton Road, by five Asian youths. He was minding his own business walking home, when they jumped on him for no reason, and after giving him a beating, they stole his mobile and his wallet and walked off laughing.....IN BROAD DAYLIGHT too. Don't judge everyone by your own standards, and don't jump to conclusions either. As for the scum who did commit this attack, they should be put in the stocks, in the city park on a Saturday morning and then at 4pm they should be tied to a lampost and Cat-o-nine-tailed or birched. It might make them think in future before the decide to attack innocent people.[/p][/quote]Those who attacked your friend's son were savage animals too. The Hoffster
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4:27pm Tue 20 Nov 12

Tinybantam says...

The Hoffster wrote:
Tinybantam wrote:
angry bradfordian wrote:
The Hoffster wrote:
Apollo wrote:
The Hoffster wrote:
Apollo wrote: No description of those involved? And why did the first employee who got involved simply not ring the Police and prevent a much more serious incident? Failings all round on this one First Bradford.
The description is quite simple: they were most likely BNP/EDL scum sympathisers. Only *they* can stoop to the level of savage animals.
Troll alert.
Where?! {confused}
Definition of troll:
"a troll is someone who posts inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as a forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking readers into an emotional response"

Unless you've got some evidence of who carried out this terrible attack (which you would have course contacted the police over) there's no other reason why you would have suggested a specific type of person carried out the attack other than to provoke 'an emotional response'


Back on the subject, I don't understand why it's taken 12 days for the police to appeal for information. Surely any info that the public had wouldn't be fresh in the mind now?
The Hoffster......you really are a troll if you believe the rubbish that you write. If only the EDL/BNP can stoop to the level of savage animals, then how come my friends son, was attacked and badly beaten in Great Horton Road, by five Asian youths. He was minding his own business walking home, when they jumped on him for no reason, and after giving him a beating, they stole his mobile and his wallet and walked off laughing.....IN BROAD DAYLIGHT too. Don't judge everyone by your own standards, and don't jump to conclusions either. As for the scum who did commit this attack, they should be put in the stocks, in the city park on a Saturday morning and then at 4pm they should be tied to a lampost and Cat-o-nine-tailed or birched. It might make them think in future before the decide to attack innocent people.
Those who attacked your friend's son were savage animals too.
Quite right Sir! He is 17 years old, white, and had just left college. He had missed his bus, and so decided to walk part of the way home, up Great Horton Road. He was opposite the end of Summerville Road, when he encountered these youths. He crossed the road when he saw them coming towards him, but they ran across and bloked his way forward. He is not the biggest of lads and is very quiet. He told us afterwards that he was very frightened and pleaded with them to let him go. The heartless scum attacked him instead, leaving him black and blue, bruised and bloodied, but thankfully nothing broken. His Father, myself and a couple of our friends drove him back down G.H.R. but they were nowhere to be seen. Probably just as well, because I can tell you, we were all pretty angry.
[quote][p][bold]The Hoffster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tinybantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]angry bradfordian[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Hoffster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Apollo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Hoffster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Apollo[/bold] wrote: No description of those involved? And why did the first employee who got involved simply not ring the Police and prevent a much more serious incident? Failings all round on this one First Bradford.[/p][/quote]The description is quite simple: they were most likely BNP/EDL scum sympathisers. Only *they* can stoop to the level of savage animals.[/p][/quote]Troll alert.[/p][/quote]Where?! {confused}[/p][/quote]Definition of troll: "a troll is someone who posts inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as a forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking readers into an emotional response" Unless you've got some evidence of who carried out this terrible attack (which you would have course contacted the police over) there's no other reason why you would have suggested a specific type of person carried out the attack other than to provoke 'an emotional response' Back on the subject, I don't understand why it's taken 12 days for the police to appeal for information. Surely any info that the public had wouldn't be fresh in the mind now?[/p][/quote]The Hoffster......you really are a troll if you believe the rubbish that you write. If only the EDL/BNP can stoop to the level of savage animals, then how come my friends son, was attacked and badly beaten in Great Horton Road, by five Asian youths. He was minding his own business walking home, when they jumped on him for no reason, and after giving him a beating, they stole his mobile and his wallet and walked off laughing.....IN BROAD DAYLIGHT too. Don't judge everyone by your own standards, and don't jump to conclusions either. As for the scum who did commit this attack, they should be put in the stocks, in the city park on a Saturday morning and then at 4pm they should be tied to a lampost and Cat-o-nine-tailed or birched. It might make them think in future before the decide to attack innocent people.[/p][/quote]Those who attacked your friend's son were savage animals too.[/p][/quote]Quite right Sir! He is 17 years old, white, and had just left college. He had missed his bus, and so decided to walk part of the way home, up Great Horton Road. He was opposite the end of Summerville Road, when he encountered these youths. He crossed the road when he saw them coming towards him, but they ran across and bloked his way forward. He is not the biggest of lads and is very quiet. He told us afterwards that he was very frightened and pleaded with them to let him go. The heartless scum attacked him instead, leaving him black and blue, bruised and bloodied, but thankfully nothing broken. His Father, myself and a couple of our friends drove him back down G.H.R. but they were nowhere to be seen. Probably just as well, because I can tell you, we were all pretty angry. Tinybantam
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4:39pm Tue 20 Nov 12

The Hoffster says...

Tinybantam wrote:
The Hoffster wrote:
Tinybantam wrote:
angry bradfordian wrote:
The Hoffster wrote:
Apollo wrote:
The Hoffster wrote:
Apollo wrote: No description of those involved? And why did the first employee who got involved simply not ring the Police and prevent a much more serious incident? Failings all round on this one First Bradford.
The description is quite simple: they were most likely BNP/EDL scum sympathisers. Only *they* can stoop to the level of savage animals.
Troll alert.
Where?! {confused}
Definition of troll:
"a troll is someone who posts inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as a forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking readers into an emotional response"

Unless you've got some evidence of who carried out this terrible attack (which you would have course contacted the police over) there's no other reason why you would have suggested a specific type of person carried out the attack other than to provoke 'an emotional response'


Back on the subject, I don't understand why it's taken 12 days for the police to appeal for information. Surely any info that the public had wouldn't be fresh in the mind now?
The Hoffster......you really are a troll if you believe the rubbish that you write. If only the EDL/BNP can stoop to the level of savage animals, then how come my friends son, was attacked and badly beaten in Great Horton Road, by five Asian youths. He was minding his own business walking home, when they jumped on him for no reason, and after giving him a beating, they stole his mobile and his wallet and walked off laughing.....IN BROAD DAYLIGHT too. Don't judge everyone by your own standards, and don't jump to conclusions either. As for the scum who did commit this attack, they should be put in the stocks, in the city park on a Saturday morning and then at 4pm they should be tied to a lampost and Cat-o-nine-tailed or birched. It might make them think in future before the decide to attack innocent people.
Those who attacked your friend's son were savage animals too.
Quite right Sir! He is 17 years old, white, and had just left college. He had missed his bus, and so decided to walk part of the way home, up Great Horton Road. He was opposite the end of Summerville Road, when he encountered these youths. He crossed the road when he saw them coming towards him, but they ran across and bloked his way forward. He is not the biggest of lads and is very quiet. He told us afterwards that he was very frightened and pleaded with them to let him go. The heartless scum attacked him instead, leaving him black and blue, bruised and bloodied, but thankfully nothing broken. His Father, myself and a couple of our friends drove him back down G.H.R. but they were nowhere to be seen. Probably just as well, because I can tell you, we were all pretty angry.
TB, it's sickening that those scum got away with it.

Hope you're friend's son is ok and not scarred by this permanently (whether physically or mentally).
[quote][p][bold]Tinybantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Hoffster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tinybantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]angry bradfordian[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Hoffster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Apollo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Hoffster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Apollo[/bold] wrote: No description of those involved? And why did the first employee who got involved simply not ring the Police and prevent a much more serious incident? Failings all round on this one First Bradford.[/p][/quote]The description is quite simple: they were most likely BNP/EDL scum sympathisers. Only *they* can stoop to the level of savage animals.[/p][/quote]Troll alert.[/p][/quote]Where?! {confused}[/p][/quote]Definition of troll: "a troll is someone who posts inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as a forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking readers into an emotional response" Unless you've got some evidence of who carried out this terrible attack (which you would have course contacted the police over) there's no other reason why you would have suggested a specific type of person carried out the attack other than to provoke 'an emotional response' Back on the subject, I don't understand why it's taken 12 days for the police to appeal for information. Surely any info that the public had wouldn't be fresh in the mind now?[/p][/quote]The Hoffster......you really are a troll if you believe the rubbish that you write. If only the EDL/BNP can stoop to the level of savage animals, then how come my friends son, was attacked and badly beaten in Great Horton Road, by five Asian youths. He was minding his own business walking home, when they jumped on him for no reason, and after giving him a beating, they stole his mobile and his wallet and walked off laughing.....IN BROAD DAYLIGHT too. Don't judge everyone by your own standards, and don't jump to conclusions either. As for the scum who did commit this attack, they should be put in the stocks, in the city park on a Saturday morning and then at 4pm they should be tied to a lampost and Cat-o-nine-tailed or birched. It might make them think in future before the decide to attack innocent people.[/p][/quote]Those who attacked your friend's son were savage animals too.[/p][/quote]Quite right Sir! He is 17 years old, white, and had just left college. He had missed his bus, and so decided to walk part of the way home, up Great Horton Road. He was opposite the end of Summerville Road, when he encountered these youths. He crossed the road when he saw them coming towards him, but they ran across and bloked his way forward. He is not the biggest of lads and is very quiet. He told us afterwards that he was very frightened and pleaded with them to let him go. The heartless scum attacked him instead, leaving him black and blue, bruised and bloodied, but thankfully nothing broken. His Father, myself and a couple of our friends drove him back down G.H.R. but they were nowhere to be seen. Probably just as well, because I can tell you, we were all pretty angry.[/p][/quote]TB, it's sickening that those scum got away with it. Hope you're friend's son is ok and not scarred by this permanently (whether physically or mentally). The Hoffster
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9:53pm Tue 20 Nov 12

one nil says...

The bus driver to blame again. What if the driver had intervened in the way everyone suggests and sent the thugs packing, would he be a hero? No, he'd definitely be on a disciplinary, possibly without a job, probably facing criminal charges and the thugs would be bringing a private claim against him and the bus company. No mate you did the right thing - stayed safe and phoned the police. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
The bus driver to blame again. What if the driver had intervened in the way everyone suggests and sent the thugs packing, would he be a hero? No, he'd definitely be on a disciplinary, possibly without a job, probably facing criminal charges and the thugs would be bringing a private claim against him and the bus company. No mate you did the right thing - stayed safe and phoned the police. Damned if you do, damned if you don't. one nil
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10:30am Wed 21 Nov 12

georget says...

XBradfordian wrote:
Sorry to read about Freddie, Hope your doing O.K. mate, life aint fair when they pick on O.A.P.s, take care Freddie and mend quickly.....ex workmate @ fields
My Regards To Fred aswell, Hope you are ok Ex Field Electrician
[quote][p][bold]XBradfordian[/bold] wrote: Sorry to read about Freddie, Hope your doing O.K. mate, life aint fair when they pick on O.A.P.s, take care Freddie and mend quickly.....ex workmate @ fields[/p][/quote]My Regards To Fred aswell, Hope you are ok Ex Field Electrician georget
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11:17am Wed 21 Nov 12

Wanna Have says...

Tinybantam wrote:
The Hoffster wrote:
Tinybantam wrote:
angry bradfordian wrote:
The Hoffster wrote:
Apollo wrote:
The Hoffster wrote:
Apollo wrote: No description of those involved? And why did the first employee who got involved simply not ring the Police and prevent a much more serious incident? Failings all round on this one First Bradford.
The description is quite simple: they were most likely BNP/EDL scum sympathisers. Only *they* can stoop to the level of savage animals.
Troll alert.
Where?! {confused}
Definition of troll: "a troll is someone who posts inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as a forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking readers into an emotional response" Unless you've got some evidence of who carried out this terrible attack (which you would have course contacted the police over) there's no other reason why you would have suggested a specific type of person carried out the attack other than to provoke 'an emotional response' Back on the subject, I don't understand why it's taken 12 days for the police to appeal for information. Surely any info that the public had wouldn't be fresh in the mind now?
The Hoffster......you really are a troll if you believe the rubbish that you write. If only the EDL/BNP can stoop to the level of savage animals, then how come my friends son, was attacked and badly beaten in Great Horton Road, by five Asian youths. He was minding his own business walking home, when they jumped on him for no reason, and after giving him a beating, they stole his mobile and his wallet and walked off laughing.....IN BROAD DAYLIGHT too. Don't judge everyone by your own standards, and don't jump to conclusions either. As for the scum who did commit this attack, they should be put in the stocks, in the city park on a Saturday morning and then at 4pm they should be tied to a lampost and Cat-o-nine-tailed or birched. It might make them think in future before the decide to attack innocent people.
Those who attacked your friend's son were savage animals too.
Quite right Sir! He is 17 years old, white, and had just left college. He had missed his bus, and so decided to walk part of the way home, up Great Horton Road. He was opposite the end of Summerville Road, when he encountered these youths. He crossed the road when he saw them coming towards him, but they ran across and bloked his way forward. He is not the biggest of lads and is very quiet. He told us afterwards that he was very frightened and pleaded with them to let him go. The heartless scum attacked him instead, leaving him black and blue, bruised and bloodied, but thankfully nothing broken. His Father, myself and a couple of our friends drove him back down G.H.R. but they were nowhere to be seen. Probably just as well, because I can tell you, we were all pretty angry.
Are the police doing anything about this, why is it not in this paper, they clearly sought to hurt your boy as I'm sure if the phone was the motivation he would have handed it over.
[quote][p][bold]Tinybantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Hoffster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tinybantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]angry bradfordian[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Hoffster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Apollo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Hoffster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Apollo[/bold] wrote: No description of those involved? And why did the first employee who got involved simply not ring the Police and prevent a much more serious incident? Failings all round on this one First Bradford.[/p][/quote]The description is quite simple: they were most likely BNP/EDL scum sympathisers. Only *they* can stoop to the level of savage animals.[/p][/quote]Troll alert.[/p][/quote]Where?! {confused}[/p][/quote]Definition of troll: "a troll is someone who posts inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as a forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking readers into an emotional response" Unless you've got some evidence of who carried out this terrible attack (which you would have course contacted the police over) there's no other reason why you would have suggested a specific type of person carried out the attack other than to provoke 'an emotional response' Back on the subject, I don't understand why it's taken 12 days for the police to appeal for information. Surely any info that the public had wouldn't be fresh in the mind now?[/p][/quote]The Hoffster......you really are a troll if you believe the rubbish that you write. If only the EDL/BNP can stoop to the level of savage animals, then how come my friends son, was attacked and badly beaten in Great Horton Road, by five Asian youths. He was minding his own business walking home, when they jumped on him for no reason, and after giving him a beating, they stole his mobile and his wallet and walked off laughing.....IN BROAD DAYLIGHT too. Don't judge everyone by your own standards, and don't jump to conclusions either. As for the scum who did commit this attack, they should be put in the stocks, in the city park on a Saturday morning and then at 4pm they should be tied to a lampost and Cat-o-nine-tailed or birched. It might make them think in future before the decide to attack innocent people.[/p][/quote]Those who attacked your friend's son were savage animals too.[/p][/quote]Quite right Sir! He is 17 years old, white, and had just left college. He had missed his bus, and so decided to walk part of the way home, up Great Horton Road. He was opposite the end of Summerville Road, when he encountered these youths. He crossed the road when he saw them coming towards him, but they ran across and bloked his way forward. He is not the biggest of lads and is very quiet. He told us afterwards that he was very frightened and pleaded with them to let him go. The heartless scum attacked him instead, leaving him black and blue, bruised and bloodied, but thankfully nothing broken. His Father, myself and a couple of our friends drove him back down G.H.R. but they were nowhere to be seen. Probably just as well, because I can tell you, we were all pretty angry.[/p][/quote]Are the police doing anything about this, why is it not in this paper, they clearly sought to hurt your boy as I'm sure if the phone was the motivation he would have handed it over. Wanna Have
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12:14pm Wed 21 Nov 12

thruth9211 says...

well done to the driver, who just sat back

Well dun


Never interfere with yobs, as the culture of claims have increased

The problem is due to the POLICE not doing their job, maybe the yobs were drunk, and hence cannot charge them cause if they charge these people, the tax revenue will be reduced to the state


Yet again T and A to blaim an innocent driver, Get a grib with it

Oh yeah and tell your editior to rethink the comments section as it causes problems ie the issue regarding the alcohol problem article, it has somehow disappered
well done to the driver, who just sat back Well dun Never interfere with yobs, as the culture of claims have increased The problem is due to the POLICE not doing their job, maybe the yobs were drunk, and hence cannot charge them cause if they charge these people, the tax revenue will be reduced to the state Yet again T and A to blaim an innocent driver, Get a grib with it Oh yeah and tell your editior to rethink the comments section as it causes problems ie the issue regarding the alcohol problem article, it has somehow disappered thruth9211
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12:32pm Wed 21 Nov 12

thruth9211 says...

The driver was watching a show, interesting was it,

The police wont charge the yob, infact will some where from their law bible come out with a chargable offence and stick it on the driver

No justice
The driver was watching a show, interesting was it, The police wont charge the yob, infact will some where from their law bible come out with a chargable offence and stick it on the driver No justice thruth9211
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9:06am Fri 23 Nov 12

Gabbysgran says...

I was on the 670 bus on the way home from Leeds, there were two lads and a girl (aged around 15) sitting round me and they had their music on really loud, I turned to the chap next to me and said "I think I'll put my Frank Sinatra music on!" the girl threatened to "beat seven bells of s**t" out of me, I am a 59 year old granny by the way. The joke was that I must have outweighed her by at least 3 stones and I am not exactly a shrinking violet so if she had hit me I would have defended myself. I moved down to the front of the bus and told the driver who completely ignored me. One of the lads followed me and threatened me again but luckily two men got up and told him to sit down or they would put him down. As the yobs were getting off one of the lads pretended to punch me. These kids know that they can do what they like with no consequences, we have got to have stiffer punishments for this kind of thing. If I had decked one of them in defence I would probably have been arrested.
I was on the 670 bus on the way home from Leeds, there were two lads and a girl (aged around 15) sitting round me and they had their music on really loud, I turned to the chap next to me and said "I think I'll put my Frank Sinatra music on!" the girl threatened to "beat seven bells of s**t" out of me, I am a 59 year old granny by the way. The joke was that I must have outweighed her by at least 3 stones and I am not exactly a shrinking violet so if she had hit me I would have defended myself. I moved down to the front of the bus and told the driver who completely ignored me. One of the lads followed me and threatened me again but luckily two men got up and told him to sit down or they would put him down. As the yobs were getting off one of the lads pretended to punch me. These kids know that they can do what they like with no consequences, we have got to have stiffer punishments for this kind of thing. If I had decked one of them in defence I would probably have been arrested. Gabbysgran
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9:18am Fri 23 Nov 12

Gabbysgran says...

The Hoffster wrote:
Apollo wrote: No description of those involved? And why did the first employee who got involved simply not ring the Police and prevent a much more serious incident? Failings all round on this one First Bradford.
The description is quite simple: they were most likely BNP/EDL scum sympathisers. Only *they* can stoop to the level of savage animals.
Very probably, or even AFL or Islam4UK sympathisers, I do not think their politics enter into it! Trust a leftie hand wringer to even mention it! I should imagine the feral scum who carried out this attac were'nt exactly politically motivated !
[quote][p][bold]The Hoffster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Apollo[/bold] wrote: No description of those involved? And why did the first employee who got involved simply not ring the Police and prevent a much more serious incident? Failings all round on this one First Bradford.[/p][/quote]The description is quite simple: they were most likely BNP/EDL scum sympathisers. Only *they* can stoop to the level of savage animals.[/p][/quote]Very probably, or even AFL or Islam4UK sympathisers, I do not think their politics enter into it! Trust a leftie hand wringer to even mention it! I should imagine the feral scum who carried out this attac were'nt exactly politically motivated ! Gabbysgran
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2:17pm Fri 23 Nov 12

thruth9211 says...

gabbysgran ur an idiot, why do you have to mention religion in to this argument

go f ur self
gabbysgran ur an idiot, why do you have to mention religion in to this argument go f ur self thruth9211
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2:45pm Fri 23 Nov 12

Albion. says...

thruth9211 wrote:
gabbysgran ur an idiot, why do you have to mention religion in to this argument

go f ur self
Tut-tut! You'll have to respond in a more constructive and restrained way, if you wish to be taken seriously.
The post that you criticise was a response to someone who takes every opportunity going to put down anything pro-British or vaguely critical of anything Asian or Islamic.
If you fail to moderate your responses, you will end up like The Hoffster, constantly being removed by the censors.
Re-read the posts, it was The Hoffster (a Muslim) who was being provocative.
[quote][p][bold]thruth9211[/bold] wrote: gabbysgran ur an idiot, why do you have to mention religion in to this argument go f ur self[/p][/quote]Tut-tut! You'll have to respond in a more constructive and restrained way, if you wish to be taken seriously. The post that you criticise was a response to someone who takes every opportunity going to put down anything pro-British or vaguely critical of anything Asian or Islamic. If you fail to moderate your responses, you will end up like The Hoffster, constantly being removed by the censors. Re-read the posts, it was The Hoffster (a Muslim) who was being provocative. Albion.
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8:52pm Fri 23 Nov 12

Whoisevans? says...

I remember in the late sixties coming back from Bradford and some drunken Man united fans were causing problems up stairs and refusing to pay the fare. The conductor stopped the bus and closed the doors the bus continued up Wakefield road until the Napoleon Pub and a big burly 6ft plus officer got on the bus and literally threw everyone of them down the stairs while his officers then threw them in the back of a police Black Mariah to the cheers from the other passengers.
I remember in the late sixties coming back from Bradford and some drunken Man united fans were causing problems up stairs and refusing to pay the fare. The conductor stopped the bus and closed the doors the bus continued up Wakefield road until the Napoleon Pub and a big burly 6ft plus officer got on the bus and literally threw everyone of them down the stairs while his officers then threw them in the back of a police Black Mariah to the cheers from the other passengers. Whoisevans?
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9:36am Mon 26 Nov 12

Gabbysgran says...

thruth9211 wrote:
gabbysgran ur an idiot, why do you have to mention religion in to this argument go f ur self
I didn't! I was replying to what someone else said !!
[quote][p][bold]thruth9211[/bold] wrote: gabbysgran ur an idiot, why do you have to mention religion in to this argument go f ur self[/p][/quote]I didn't! I was replying to what someone else said !! Gabbysgran
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