Driver ‘looks on’ as yobs attack pensioner on Bradford bus (From Bradford Telegraph and Argus)
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Grandfather calls on firm to revise rules which do not allow driver to leave cab
7:00am Monday 19th November 2012 in News
Exclusive By Claire Armstrong, T&A Reporter
Coun Sinead Engel who wants better protection for bus passengers
A driver sat in his cab and watched as a pensioner was viciously attacked in front of him by a group of yobs on a Bradford bus.
The gang of teens punched and kicked grandfather Fred Gilroy, 68, to the floor, only feet away from the driver’s protected cab, after he confronted them about their unruly behaviour, which included shooting him with a pellet gun.
After the yobs fled the vehicle by triggering an emergency door release, the driver apologised for not coming to his aid, saying he was not allowed to leave his cab, said Mr Gilroy.
The pensioner, who described his attackers as “evil and vicious”, has now been joined by a Bradford councillor in demanding that bus company First does more to protect passengers.
Mr Gilroy had been travelling on the upper deck of the 636 service from Bradford to his home in Clayton when a group of about five teenagers on the back seat started causing a nuisance.
He said a First staff member in uniform came upstairs to confront them, but after being met by a volley of abuse, backed off and a short time later left the bus.
Then, one of the yobs shot Mr Gilroy in the ear with a pellet gun, but when he told them off they threatened to rip his head off.
He went downstairs to speak to the driver, who pulled over. The yobs came down the stairs and surrounded him.
“They were all round me,” said Mr Gilroy. “I slung a punch myself, but it would have been like a feather duster to them at that age. They were jumping on the seats and drop-kicking. They got me down in two minutes.”
Mr Gilroy said they kept kicking him while he was on the floor before running from the bus. He said: “The bus driver said ‘I’m sorry you got a kicking, but we are not allowed to come out’.
The driver called the emergency services and Mr Gilroy was taken to hospital with severe bruising.
He later rang First to complain about its security procedures, but he said the woman he spoke to even questioned him about what he had been doing on the top deck.
He said: “The safety of people travelling during the day on the bus is at stake. If this occurs again, if a gang of lads get on, the way she was talking, they can run riot. That can’t be right. They should have some quick way of getting security to that bus.”
Councillor Sinead Engel (Lab, Clayton and Fairweather Green) said she was shocked to hear of the circumstances of the attack.
“Passengers have every right to expect to be safe travelling on buses and bus drivers have a duty of care to protect them,” she said.
“I wouldn’t want to see drivers putting themselves at risk unnecessarily, but I certainly wouldn’t have been able to just stand by and watch.”
Sergeant Alastair Milner, of the Bradford North Neighbourhood Policing Team, said: “This was a cowardly attack by the individuals involved, who had no cause to use such level of violence, particularly against a lone 68-year-old man.”
A First spokesman said: “We would urge anyone with information to go to the police to help catch these vile individuals. We are disappointed to hear of Mr Gilroy’s shocking experience and will work with the police.
“Our drivers are encouraged to do all that they can to assist our passengers in such difficult circumstances. As part of this process they have to consider their own safety and that of all other passengers on board the vehicle.
“If they do not feel that leaving their cab is a safe course of action then we would expect them to raise the alarm so that the emergency services can be called.”
Anyone with information about the attack, which occurred on November 7 at about 11am, should contact police on 101.
Comments(83)
BD16
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8:08am Mon 19 Nov 12
Apollo
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8:15am Mon 19 Nov 12
They have a duty of care to passengers which overrides the duty of care to their staff. Instructions not to leave cabs is a nonsense.
Old Dave
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8:18am Mon 19 Nov 12
Lets get it straight, the perpetrators of this crime are solely to blame, not Firstbus or its employee. Would it be safe for a bus driver to abandon his cab, thus opening it up to being taken over? A double decker bus can do one hell of a lot of damage when in the wrong hands!
Also, the report says that the pensioner threw a punch, after going downstairs. Why do that? Alll that is going to do is further provoke the situation, and become as bad as the scumbags!
tornshaunton
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8:24am Mon 19 Nov 12
mad matt
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8:56am Mon 19 Nov 12
OutOfBradford
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9:05am Mon 19 Nov 12
RollandSmoke
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9:05am Mon 19 Nov 12
Apollo
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9:17am Mon 19 Nov 12
And why did the first employee who got involved simply not ring the Police and prevent a much more serious incident?
Failings all round on this one First Bradford.
Biker71
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9:19am Mon 19 Nov 12
Joedavid
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9:24am Mon 19 Nov 12
If other passengers being carried how come they not help the driver and the other First employee to get the yobs off the bus?
Thee Voice of Reason
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9:55am Mon 19 Nov 12
Why is there no details what so ever about the attackers? Age? Colour? Race? Height? Build? How they dress?
Instead of trying to point the finger of blame, lets get them caught, named and shamed.
Where did these lads get on, and off the bus to help trigger peoples memories, if it was the interchange surely CCTV camera footage is avalible, if someone else surely some kind of CCTV has picked them up during the course of the day.
Rambo
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9:57am Mon 19 Nov 12
Apollo wrote:Exactly. It was 12 days ago so maybe fresh in the mind of people. Not one desciption? Come on.
No description of those involved?
And why did the first employee who got involved simply not ring the Police and prevent a much more serious incident?
Failings all round on this one First Bradford.
And what a joy it is to read the monday morning stories today. Pensioner attacked, pet killed by tav dogs, arson attacks, etc.
They can harp on all they want about choosing police commissioners, until they can seriously get a grip on this scaly mentality nothing will change.
Rambo
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10:00am Mon 19 Nov 12
ANY WHERE BUT HERE
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10:14am Mon 19 Nov 12
Anybody who does get assaulted should chase first for a much money as they can get, there are incidents each day but first don't want you to know that.
BagOfMonkeys
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10:15am Mon 19 Nov 12
U8MyRabbit
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10:16am Mon 19 Nov 12
georget
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10:50am Mon 19 Nov 12
Jail is like BUTLINS Quewing up to get in Bring Back Compulsory Army Service
Then we might Get Some DICIPLINE & RESPECT BACK, Cane in the Schools
& You Do Gooders, Get Buried, You Cause More Trouble Than Good
Pity Mr Gilroy, Was Only Able To Get 1 Punch In, He Was Protecting Himself, Which he has a lawful right to do, That idiot who says he should not have done that? Would they not have done, **** sure they would,
U8MyRabbit
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10:53am Mon 19 Nov 12
georget wrote:Agree with everything said !
Put the blame where it Lies, THE GOVERNMENT, Justice System, Useless Policing,
Jail is like BUTLINS Quewing up to get in Bring Back Compulsory Army Service
Then we might Get Some DICIPLINE & RESPECT BACK, Cane in the Schools
& You Do Gooders, Get Buried, You Cause More Trouble Than Good
Pity Mr Gilroy, Was Only Able To Get 1 Punch In, He Was Protecting Himself, Which he has a lawful right to do, That idiot who says he should not have done that? Would they not have done, **** sure they would,
Apollo
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11:01am Mon 19 Nov 12
georget wrote:For God's sake use a spelling checker.
Put the blame where it Lies, THE GOVERNMENT, Justice System, Useless Policing, Jail is like BUTLINS Quewing up to get in Bring Back Compulsory Army Service Then we might Get Some DICIPLINE & RESPECT BACK, Cane in the Schools & You Do Gooders, Get Buried, You Cause More Trouble Than Good Pity Mr Gilroy, Was Only Able To Get 1 Punch In, He Was Protecting Himself, Which he has a lawful right to do, That idiot who says he should not have done that? Would they not have done, **** sure they would,
This reads like an illiterate let loose on a keyboard.
U8MyRabbit
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11:10am Mon 19 Nov 12
Apollo wrote:
georget wrote:For God's sake use a spelling checker.
Put the blame where it Lies, THE GOVERNMENT, Justice System, Useless Policing, Jail is like BUTLINS Quewing up to get in Bring Back Compulsory Army Service Then we might Get Some DICIPLINE & RESPECT BACK, Cane in the Schools & You Do Gooders, Get Buried, You Cause More Trouble Than Good Pity Mr Gilroy, Was Only Able To Get 1 Punch In, He Was Protecting Himself, Which he has a lawful right to do, That idiot who says he should not have done that? Would they not have done, **** sure they would,
This reads like an illiterate let loose on a keyboard.
Apollo wrote: For God's sake use a spelling checker. This reads like an illiterate let loose on a keyboard.
The literacy is irrelevant and criticising it is stupid. It's the point that the comment makes that's important here. There is a huge lack of respect in our society for other people, their property and belongings, their well being and safety. This includes property owned by large establishments and councils et al.
Albion.
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11:19am Mon 19 Nov 12
Firstly I hope that the assailants are brought to justice, although what form that "justice" actually takes, after the social enquiry reports and slick lawyers have intervened, I can only imagine.
Every one of these thugs should face flogging and a very long period of hard labour, the likelihood is that they will get away to brag and snigger about their brave exploits, if they should happen to be caught, they are more likely to face a half-hearted ticking off from a police sergeant who is probably as sick of modern society as I am.
Albion.
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11:24am Mon 19 Nov 12
U8MyRabbit wrote:The illiteracy often shown on these threads (not necessarily in this case) is often an example of lack of school and parental discipline.
Apollo wrote:
georget wrote:For God's sake use a spelling checker.
Put the blame where it Lies, THE GOVERNMENT, Justice System, Useless Policing, Jail is like BUTLINS Quewing up to get in Bring Back Compulsory Army Service Then we might Get Some DICIPLINE & RESPECT BACK, Cane in the Schools & You Do Gooders, Get Buried, You Cause More Trouble Than Good Pity Mr Gilroy, Was Only Able To Get 1 Punch In, He Was Protecting Himself, Which he has a lawful right to do, That idiot who says he should not have done that? Would they not have done, **** sure they would,
This reads like an illiterate let loose on a keyboard.Apollo wrote: For God's sake use a spelling checker. This reads like an illiterate let loose on a keyboard.
The literacy is irrelevant and criticising it is stupid. It's the point that the comment makes that's important here. There is a huge lack of respect in our society for other people, their property and belongings, their well being and safety. This includes property owned by large establishments and councils et al.
A bit of discipline might just have prevented this disturbing incident.
Silsdenman
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11:36am Mon 19 Nov 12
U8MyRabbit wrote:The correspondent may well be making a valid point but I can't tell as the message is virtually impossible to read. Literacy is relevant as it is also indicative of the state of society. If people cannot even be taught how to communicate clearly we haven't got a hope in Hell.
Apollo wrote:
georget wrote:For God's sake use a spelling checker.
Put the blame where it Lies, THE GOVERNMENT, Justice System, Useless Policing, Jail is like BUTLINS Quewing up to get in Bring Back Compulsory Army Service Then we might Get Some DICIPLINE & RESPECT BACK, Cane in the Schools & You Do Gooders, Get Buried, You Cause More Trouble Than Good Pity Mr Gilroy, Was Only Able To Get 1 Punch In, He Was Protecting Himself, Which he has a lawful right to do, That idiot who says he should not have done that? Would they not have done, **** sure they would,
This reads like an illiterate let loose on a keyboard.Apollo wrote: For God's sake use a spelling checker. This reads like an illiterate let loose on a keyboard.
The literacy is irrelevant and criticising it is stupid. It's the point that the comment makes that's important here. There is a huge lack of respect in our society for other people, their property and belongings, their well being and safety. This includes property owned by large establishments and councils et al.
vax2002
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11:36am Mon 19 Nov 12
However, the alarms are falsely triggered so often, they are rarely answered.
Drivers are not allowed to use their own mobile telephones to contact police, it has to be done via bus control.
Bus control then decide if the incident is worth logging.
The system works perfectly, no serious issues "logged" = no problems on busses.
The reality is written above....
vax2002
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11:36am Mon 19 Nov 12
However, the alarms are falsely triggered so often, they are rarely answered.
Drivers are not allowed to use their own mobile telephones to contact police, it has to be done via bus control.
Bus control then decide if the incident is worth logging.
The system works perfectly, no serious issues "logged" = no problems on buses.
The reality is written above....
U8MyRabbit
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11:37am Mon 19 Nov 12
Who's to say the yobs aren't straight A's at English ?
Unlikely perhaps, but It's still the point here that's important and I agree with them, as I do yours, Albion.
Old Dave
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11:43am Mon 19 Nov 12
Albion.
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11:48am Mon 19 Nov 12
U8MyRabbit wrote:Very unlikely! When I went to a village school in the 50s, every child could read out loud to the class and write legibly by the age of seven, we never heard the (trendy) word "dyslexia" then.
Who's to say the commenter isn't dyslexic or similar ?
Who's to say the yobs aren't straight A's at English ?
Unlikely perhaps, but It's still the point here that's important and I agree with them, as I do yours, Albion.
The "yobs" having "A" levels or whatever, isn't any indication that they have been subjected to discipline and responsible behaviour, either in the home or at school.
There are always exceptions, but a less tolerant attitude to wrongdoing would in the main lead to a fairer and more civilised society.
U8MyRabbit
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12:05pm Mon 19 Nov 12
RollandSmoke
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12:11pm Mon 19 Nov 12
Albion. wrote:Very much depends on how you enforce discipline and show less tolerance. If it is done in a way that shows kids that the best way to get other people to do what you want and comply with your wishes is to resort to violence I can't see that it would help. The kids of today don't have the same mindset as they did when you or I were growing up.
U8MyRabbit wrote:Very unlikely! When I went to a village school in the 50s, every child could read out loud to the class and write legibly by the age of seven, we never heard the (trendy) word "dyslexia" then.
Who's to say the commenter isn't dyslexic or similar ?
Who's to say the yobs aren't straight A's at English ?
Unlikely perhaps, but It's still the point here that's important and I agree with them, as I do yours, Albion.
The "yobs" having "A" levels or whatever, isn't any indication that they have been subjected to discipline and responsible behaviour, either in the home or at school.
There are always exceptions, but a less tolerant attitude to wrongdoing would in the main lead to a fairer and more civilised society.
Silsdenman
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12:21pm Mon 19 Nov 12
RollandSmoke wrote:Obviously discipline should not be enforced by using violence (normally) but teaching kids how to do anything properly including reading and writing needs discipline otherwise writers just do what they want and that is difficult to read. If the writer is dyslexic so be it but we shouldn't take everything down to the lowest common denominator/ benefit of the doubt to justify everything that is wrong, that is part of the overall problem
Albion. wrote:Very much depends on how you enforce discipline and show less tolerance. If it is done in a way that shows kids that the best way to get other people to do what you want and comply with your wishes is to resort to violence I can't see that it would help. The kids of today don't have the same mindset as they did when you or I were growing up.
U8MyRabbit wrote:Very unlikely! When I went to a village school in the 50s, every child could read out loud to the class and write legibly by the age of seven, we never heard the (trendy) word "dyslexia" then.
Who's to say the commenter isn't dyslexic or similar ?
Who's to say the yobs aren't straight A's at English ?
Unlikely perhaps, but It's still the point here that's important and I agree with them, as I do yours, Albion.
The "yobs" having "A" levels or whatever, isn't any indication that they have been subjected to discipline and responsible behaviour, either in the home or at school.
There are always exceptions, but a less tolerant attitude to wrongdoing would in the main lead to a fairer and more civilised society.
birday
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12:30pm Mon 19 Nov 12
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If it's not young men attempting to pick a fight by harrassing people then you're sat next to either someone playing an MP3 player loud, or someone who hasn't had a bath/washed their clothes for months or someone with mental health issues ... I hated it when the doors closed, having to stay in neutral regardless of other people's behaviour is so very difficult ... it's an endurance test that does nothing for your self esteem/respect. I couldn't wait to reach my destination and get off. These days I choose not to put myself through this so I find another way to travel.
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This incident isn't a one off it's happening all the time. I once experienced some teenages harrassing passengers, then at the next stop a huge guy with lots of aggressive tattoos and a number 1 cut got on. Even before he sat down he figured out what was going on and engaged the youths ... I thought it was going to get really nasty and I was really frightened. Thankfully the youths quietened down, however as soon as he got off the bus the youths were back to harassing the passengers. The bus driver did nothing and thankfully no one reacted, but you could sense the tension and that some people were really struggling to ignore them. The youths were changing seats, forcing passengers to talk to them, playing music loudly on their mobile phones, engaging each other in play fights and talking loudly to each other across other passengers. They really know how to do it!
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Thank goodness I have other travel options.
Rachit
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12:45pm Mon 19 Nov 12
BertSanders
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1:04pm Mon 19 Nov 12
georget wrote:I do not see how you can blame the Government - I am old and recall a pal in his late teens who was responsible for fathering an illigitimate child and given an affiliation order of 7 shillings and sixpence
Put the blame where it Lies, THE GOVERNMENT, Justice System, Useless Policing,
Jail is like BUTLINS Quewing up to get in Bring Back Compulsory Army Service
Then we might Get Some DICIPLINE & RESPECT BACK, Cane in the Schools
& You Do Gooders, Get Buried, You Cause More Trouble Than Good
Pity Mr Gilroy, Was Only Able To Get 1 Punch In, He Was Protecting Himself, Which he has a lawful right to do, That idiot who says he should not have done that? Would they not have done, **** sure they would,
per week - he did not pay - and was birched. I think he the decided he would pay and he later became a senior man in a very large company. It did not cause long term harm but it changed his mind rapidly - he did not want to go back for more. We are now much too soft. That was c1957.
U8MyRabbit
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1:10pm Mon 19 Nov 12
SmudgeXVI
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1:32pm Mon 19 Nov 12
Does that imply a lessor degree would have been acceptable!
U8MyRabbit
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1:38pm Mon 19 Nov 12
SmudgeXVI wrote:Of course it does. Sgt Milner speaks like he is part of this 'tolerant society' that we live in, where we are expected to put up with a degree of crime and anti-social / thuggish behaviour !
I quote Sgt Alistair Milner. " This was a cowardly attack by the individuals involved. Who had no cause to use SUCH LEVEL of vioence, particularly against a lone 68yr old man."
Does that imply a lessor degree would have been acceptable!
Marty12
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1:40pm Mon 19 Nov 12
Come on then, let's see what you can do for us all.
The Hoffster
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1:40pm Mon 19 Nov 12
Apollo wrote:The description is quite simple: they were most likely BNP/EDL scum sympathisers.
No description of those involved?
And why did the first employee who got involved simply not ring the Police and prevent a much more serious incident?
Failings all round on this one First Bradford.
Only *they* can stoop to the level of savage animals.
Old Dave
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1:42pm Mon 19 Nov 12
Unfortunately, this story and the discussion of it will disappear in the next few days for most of us,(sadly not for Rachit and his /her family) but it really is a case of the views that people have about the state of our country when people comment on subjects like this with knee jerk reactions (including myself).
The silent majority of this country are sick of the way things are going. A justice system that rarely makes being caught cost more than the crime pays, a compensation culture that ancourages dishonesty and blaming others, nobody accepting reponsibility for their actions and a general feeling that everybody is owed something.
We need a government that encourages growth by creating jobs. That means building more schools, prisons and hospitals, expanding the army, navy and airforce and re nationalising the energy sector. Then people are not fleeced for the things they need, more people work meaning more PAYE and less Unemployment benefit.
Also we need a justice system that properly punishes criminals, and a culture that encourages work rather than people being better off on benefit even when they are fit to work!
BertSanders
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2:20pm Mon 19 Nov 12
BertSanders wrote:amend c1947. we perhaps did not flog in 1957. Sounds quite barbaric but it was very effective.
georget wrote:I do not see how you can blame the Government - I am old and recall a pal in his late teens who was responsible for fathering an illigitimate child and given an affiliation order of 7 shillings and sixpence
Put the blame where it Lies, THE GOVERNMENT, Justice System, Useless Policing,
Jail is like BUTLINS Quewing up to get in Bring Back Compulsory Army Service
Then we might Get Some DICIPLINE & RESPECT BACK, Cane in the Schools
& You Do Gooders, Get Buried, You Cause More Trouble Than Good
Pity Mr Gilroy, Was Only Able To Get 1 Punch In, He Was Protecting Himself, Which he has a lawful right to do, That idiot who says he should not have done that? Would they not have done, **** sure they would,
per week - he did not pay - and was birched. I think he the decided he would pay and he later became a senior man in a very large company. It did not cause long term harm but it changed his mind rapidly - he did not want to go back for more. We are now much too soft. That was c1957.
Prisoner Cell Block A
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3:05pm Mon 19 Nov 12
It is the only thing these little gits will understand or take notice of. A decent thrashing/kicking and even strip em and then make them walk home, whilst giving their clothes/trainers to a few homeless people.
legallyblonde
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3:22pm Mon 19 Nov 12
Prisoner Cell Block A
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3:24pm Mon 19 Nov 12
The Hoffster wrote:You have a description of these boys then? You would be better informing the police of what they look like so they can do their job and also check that their political persuasion is one that is permissable.
Apollo wrote:The description is quite simple: they were most likely BNP/EDL scum sympathisers.
No description of those involved?
And why did the first employee who got involved simply not ring the Police and prevent a much more serious incident?
Failings all round on this one First Bradford.
Only *they* can stoop to the level of savage animals.
" Only *they* can stoop to the level of savage animals."
Take it they are in the middle east lobbing bombs and grenades at each other too just over an argument about whose fairytale is the best.
That isn't a dig at the innocent civilians on any side of this terrible conflict but more aimed at the 'savage animals' leading the countries in that region and being backed by our very own 'savage animals' in the shape of arms etc.
Apollo
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3:27pm Mon 19 Nov 12
The Hoffster wrote:Troll alert.
Apollo wrote: No description of those involved? And why did the first employee who got involved simply not ring the Police and prevent a much more serious incident? Failings all round on this one First Bradford.The description is quite simple: they were most likely BNP/EDL scum sympathisers. Only *they* can stoop to the level of savage animals.
Yorkshire Lass
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3:30pm Mon 19 Nov 12
RollandSmoke
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4:05pm Mon 19 Nov 12
BabyDave
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4:12pm Mon 19 Nov 12
tornshaunton wrote:yes, but only IF and when found GUILTY in a court of law.
as with the riots - put the pics of the attackers on the front page of T&A - name & shame them !!!
The Hoffster
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4:35pm Mon 19 Nov 12
Apollo wrote:Where?! {confused}
The Hoffster wrote:Troll alert.
Apollo wrote: No description of those involved? And why did the first employee who got involved simply not ring the Police and prevent a much more serious incident? Failings all round on this one First Bradford.The description is quite simple: they were most likely BNP/EDL scum sympathisers. Only *they* can stoop to the level of savage animals.
angry bradfordian
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5:03pm Mon 19 Nov 12
The Hoffster wrote:Definition of troll:
Apollo wrote:Where?! {confused}
The Hoffster wrote:Troll alert.
Apollo wrote: No description of those involved? And why did the first employee who got involved simply not ring the Police and prevent a much more serious incident? Failings all round on this one First Bradford.The description is quite simple: they were most likely BNP/EDL scum sympathisers. Only *they* can stoop to the level of savage animals.
"a troll is someone who posts inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as a forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking readers into an emotional response"
Unless you've got some evidence of who carried out this terrible attack (which you would have course contacted the police over) there's no other reason why you would have suggested a specific type of person carried out the attack other than to provoke 'an emotional response'
Back on the subject, I don't understand why it's taken 12 days for the police to appeal for information. Surely any info that the public had wouldn't be fresh in the mind now?
Mike Strutter
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5:11pm Mon 19 Nov 12
Rachit wrote:Hear hear.
This comment is in response to Old Dave.This attack was carried out on my father-in-law and grandfather to my children, I would firstly like to say, how can you suggest that this is a smokescreen for compensation when you dont know him.The first bus employer that first went up could have defused the situation by asking them to leave the bus, then maybe this wouldnt have happened, so I disagree that they have no part to play in this. I agree that the yobs responsible need to be caught and are the first to blame and I hope they are caught very soon and face the consequences. The other comment you made about my father-in-law is that by defending himself that makes him as bad as the scum bags! How dare you??? I think he has every right to defend himself as no one else was, clearly.He is a kind gentle man and to even suggest he is anything like these scum bags is an absolute insult. May I also add that you completly contradicted yourself by then adding a comment saying you would have done the same in that situation and you would then be partly to blame. Well he is in no way to blame, END OF!!!
The bus company has a duty of care to its passengers. First have to take some responsibility here.
The question quite rightly being asked is why did the bus driver go upstairs and then back off ? He had the power to ask the youths to leave and if he feels threatened then he calls bus control for immediate assistance not carry on until we have a scenario where this old gentleman gets assaulted .
GABRIEL.NORDE
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5:33pm Mon 19 Nov 12
Tinybantam
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6:11pm Mon 19 Nov 12
angry bradfordian wrote:The Hoffster......you really are a troll if you believe the rubbish that you write. If only the EDL/BNP can stoop to the level of savage animals, then how come my friends son, was attacked and badly beaten in Great Horton Road, by five Asian youths. He was minding his own business walking home, when they jumped on him for no reason, and after giving him a beating, they stole his mobile and his wallet and walked off laughing.....IN BROAD DAYLIGHT too. Don't judge everyone by your own standards, and don't jump to conclusions either. As for the scum who did commit this attack, they should be put in the stocks, in the city park on a Saturday morning and then at 4pm they should be tied to a lampost and Cat-o-nine-tailed or birched. It might make them think in future before the decide to attack innocent people.
The Hoffster wrote:Definition of troll:
Apollo wrote:Where?! {confused}
The Hoffster wrote:Troll alert.
Apollo wrote: No description of those involved? And why did the first employee who got involved simply not ring the Police and prevent a much more serious incident? Failings all round on this one First Bradford.The description is quite simple: they were most likely BNP/EDL scum sympathisers. Only *they* can stoop to the level of savage animals.
"a troll is someone who posts inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as a forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking readers into an emotional response"
Unless you've got some evidence of who carried out this terrible attack (which you would have course contacted the police over) there's no other reason why you would have suggested a specific type of person carried out the attack other than to provoke 'an emotional response'
Back on the subject, I don't understand why it's taken 12 days for the police to appeal for information. Surely any info that the public had wouldn't be fresh in the mind now?
The Straight talker
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7:12pm Mon 19 Nov 12
Apart from having CCTV on buses they should also be fitted with dead lock doors so if there is a problem the driver can press a panic button trapping the wasters in then alert the police to deal with them. They should then be put in stocks outside the town hal so passing people can abuse them by kicking there arse. But like always if there caught they'll get 100hrs community cutting grass or something then finish that to do it all again... I cant understand why this country puts up with it when others dont......
Victor Clayton
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7:30pm Mon 19 Nov 12
Mike Strutter wrote:A pensioner get beat up on a bus and you blame the pensioner. unbelievable. hang your head in shame Dave
Rachit wrote: This comment is in response to Old Dave.This attack was carried out on my father-in-law and grandfather to my children, I would firstly like to say, how can you suggest that this is a smokescreen for compensation when you dont know him.The first bus employer that first went up could have defused the situation by asking them to leave the bus, then maybe this wouldnt have happened, so I disagree that they have no part to play in this. I agree that the yobs responsible need to be caught and are the first to blame and I hope they are caught very soon and face the consequences. The other comment you made about my father-in-law is that by defending himself that makes him as bad as the scum bags! How dare you??? I think he has every right to defend himself as no one else was, clearly.He is a kind gentle man and to even suggest he is anything like these scum bags is an absolute insult. May I also add that you completly contradicted yourself by then adding a comment saying you would have done the same in that situation and you would then be partly to blame. Well he is in no way to blame, END OF!!!Hear hear. The bus company has a duty of care to its passengers. First have to take some responsibility here. The question quite rightly being asked is why did the bus driver go upstairs and then back off ? He had the power to ask the youths to leave and if he feels threatened then he calls bus control for immediate assistance not carry on until we have a scenario where this old gentleman gets assaulted .
Brannigan
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7:40pm Mon 19 Nov 12
tornshaunton
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8:46pm Mon 19 Nov 12
BabyDave wrote:"Police are looking for these males in connection with an assault that occurred recently, if only to rule them out of further enquiries". - is that what the front page should read ???
tornshaunton wrote:yes, but only IF and when found GUILTY in a court of law.
as with the riots - put the pics of the attackers on the front page of T&A - name & shame them !!!
BigFigure
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9:22pm Mon 19 Nov 12
Yorkshire Lass wrote:err....think it says 636 in the report with Mr Gilroy going home to Clayton...a few clues there...
Only half a story again from T & A. Which route did this happen on so that other vunerable people can be on their guard. Also I believe that all buses have CCTV so surely that can be used in this case. As for the driver, what a coward watching as this yobs beat up and old man, why didn't he dial 999? Bradford is becoming a feral city and hopefully the new Police Commissioner will put a stop to all this, as he has promised.
Whoisevans?
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9:29pm Mon 19 Nov 12
justjustice
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9:33pm Mon 19 Nov 12
Has the concil or the government even asked themselves why these kids feel, let's face it they know they can get away with all of this, the government needs to ask itself why this has happened. And of course the answer is their silly laws and the mockery they call a "just-is" system.
frustratedlad
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11:31pm Mon 19 Nov 12
idleone wrote:i can tell you with certainty. drivers will not get involved, the company do not back drivers up AT ALL, they are pressured, hounded, accused, disciplined, threatened, and treat with disrespect.
So how about the CCTV fitted to all first vehicles. Is this not true, if so why is it not being used as evidence in a criminal prosecution. If no CCTV then I would urge the victim to take a private prosecution out against First Bradford for failure to protect their passengers.
they are not allowed to get out of cabs, and fear the threat of losing our jobs for any little infringement.
they put up with threats from passengers, being spat on, sworn at, verbally and racially abused, and all they do is come to work to earn a living.
its the minority of passengers who make the majority suffer, all the company are interested in is money money money,
complaining is a waste of time,
i really feel for the old man but the idiots they are FORCED to allow travel out of fear of losing their own jobs are out of control until they are left alone to do their jobs. and get the back up from the guys who run the busses.
these men who drive around in company cars and wouldnt even know how to start a bus never mind drive one really need a reality check.
i travel extensively on busses and can tell you bradford busses are the worst i have ever seen, they are filthy, smell, cold, they often look like rubbish bins, and thats just a total lack of respect from the traveling public
drivers used to tell passengers to keep feet of seats, dont eat or drink, keep bad language down, etc etc etc but so many drivers have had disciplinary action through fabricated crap that they no longer bother
its a sad sad sad state of affairs.
no inspectors on the streets, no supervisors in bus stations, only 2 revenue protection officers FOR ALL OF WEST YORKSHIRE, that includes halifax huddersfield, leeds, bradford, just imagine how many hundreds and hundreds of bus journeys that is,
there is no support for drivers AT ALL
radios are not answered, in fact radios in the cabs generally do not work
emergency calls to depot are often ignored
the company just DO NOT CARE about you, me or any tom dick or harry.
MONEY MONEY MONEY end of story
Wanna Have
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12:03am Tue 20 Nov 12
Tinybantam wrote:No doubt a race crime if your lad is white.
angry bradfordian wrote:The Hoffster......you really are a troll if you believe the rubbish that you write. If only the EDL/BNP can stoop to the level of savage animals, then how come my friends son, was attacked and badly beaten in Great Horton Road, by five Asian youths. He was minding his own business walking home, when they jumped on him for no reason, and after giving him a beating, they stole his mobile and his wallet and walked off laughing.....IN BROAD DAYLIGHT too. Don't judge everyone by your own standards, and don't jump to conclusions either. As for the scum who did commit this attack, they should be put in the stocks, in the city park on a Saturday morning and then at 4pm they should be tied to a lampost and Cat-o-nine-tailed or birched. It might make them think in future before the decide to attack innocent people.The Hoffster wrote:Definition of troll: "a troll is someone who posts inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as a forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking readers into an emotional response" Unless you've got some evidence of who carried out this terrible attack (which you would have course contacted the police over) there's no other reason why you would have suggested a specific type of person carried out the attack other than to provoke 'an emotional response' Back on the subject, I don't understand why it's taken 12 days for the police to appeal for information. Surely any info that the public had wouldn't be fresh in the mind now?Apollo wrote:Where?! {confused}The Hoffster wrote:Troll alert.Apollo wrote: No description of those involved? And why did the first employee who got involved simply not ring the Police and prevent a much more serious incident? Failings all round on this one First Bradford.The description is quite simple: they were most likely BNP/EDL scum sympathisers. Only *they* can stoop to the level of savage animals.
they just nick the phone at the end of the attack to cover their backs and plead guilty to street robbery in the highly unlikely event they are caught.the authorities choose what direction they want this to go, if it was 5 white lads beating up a pakistani ethnic origin the book would be thrown at them, it would probably make the national news.
Keep quiet in Bradford put up shut up and go away is the policy as it's not in our backyard.
XBradfordian
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2:53am Tue 20 Nov 12
Yeah Yeah Yeah!
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8:41am Tue 20 Nov 12
JessWilson
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9:46am Tue 20 Nov 12
CJones101
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9:52am Tue 20 Nov 12
Its time for zero tolerance to all crime around Bradford.
aje2010
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11:43am Tue 20 Nov 12
As in the case of the Bradford riots these young offenders firstly need proper upbringing, good teachings and education, support and if all that fails an appropriate punishment.
theoutsider
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12:50pm Tue 20 Nov 12
First Bus failed on all counts - its compo probably cost em £5K-£10K for injuries sustained by the pensioner on their property plus costs.
At least the pensioner might be able to heat his house for the winter now, but had to get roughed up with the help of First Bus to do so.
The Hoffster
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1:37pm Tue 20 Nov 12
Tinybantam wrote:Those who attacked your friend's son were savage animals too.
angry bradfordian wrote:The Hoffster......you really are a troll if you believe the rubbish that you write. If only the EDL/BNP can stoop to the level of savage animals, then how come my friends son, was attacked and badly beaten in Great Horton Road, by five Asian youths. He was minding his own business walking home, when they jumped on him for no reason, and after giving him a beating, they stole his mobile and his wallet and walked off laughing.....IN BROAD DAYLIGHT too. Don't judge everyone by your own standards, and don't jump to conclusions either. As for the scum who did commit this attack, they should be put in the stocks, in the city park on a Saturday morning and then at 4pm they should be tied to a lampost and Cat-o-nine-tailed or birched. It might make them think in future before the decide to attack innocent people.
The Hoffster wrote:Definition of troll:
Apollo wrote:Where?! {confused}
The Hoffster wrote:Troll alert.
Apollo wrote: No description of those involved? And why did the first employee who got involved simply not ring the Police and prevent a much more serious incident? Failings all round on this one First Bradford.The description is quite simple: they were most likely BNP/EDL scum sympathisers. Only *they* can stoop to the level of savage animals.
"a troll is someone who posts inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as a forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking readers into an emotional response"
Unless you've got some evidence of who carried out this terrible attack (which you would have course contacted the police over) there's no other reason why you would have suggested a specific type of person carried out the attack other than to provoke 'an emotional response'
Back on the subject, I don't understand why it's taken 12 days for the police to appeal for information. Surely any info that the public had wouldn't be fresh in the mind now?
Tinybantam
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4:27pm Tue 20 Nov 12
The Hoffster wrote:Quite right Sir! He is 17 years old, white, and had just left college. He had missed his bus, and so decided to walk part of the way home, up Great Horton Road. He was opposite the end of Summerville Road, when he encountered these youths. He crossed the road when he saw them coming towards him, but they ran across and bloked his way forward. He is not the biggest of lads and is very quiet. He told us afterwards that he was very frightened and pleaded with them to let him go. The heartless scum attacked him instead, leaving him black and blue, bruised and bloodied, but thankfully nothing broken. His Father, myself and a couple of our friends drove him back down G.H.R. but they were nowhere to be seen. Probably just as well, because I can tell you, we were all pretty angry.
Tinybantam wrote:Those who attacked your friend's son were savage animals too.
angry bradfordian wrote:The Hoffster......you really are a troll if you believe the rubbish that you write. If only the EDL/BNP can stoop to the level of savage animals, then how come my friends son, was attacked and badly beaten in Great Horton Road, by five Asian youths. He was minding his own business walking home, when they jumped on him for no reason, and after giving him a beating, they stole his mobile and his wallet and walked off laughing.....IN BROAD DAYLIGHT too. Don't judge everyone by your own standards, and don't jump to conclusions either. As for the scum who did commit this attack, they should be put in the stocks, in the city park on a Saturday morning and then at 4pm they should be tied to a lampost and Cat-o-nine-tailed or birched. It might make them think in future before the decide to attack innocent people.
The Hoffster wrote:Definition of troll:
Apollo wrote:Where?! {confused}
The Hoffster wrote:Troll alert.
Apollo wrote: No description of those involved? And why did the first employee who got involved simply not ring the Police and prevent a much more serious incident? Failings all round on this one First Bradford.The description is quite simple: they were most likely BNP/EDL scum sympathisers. Only *they* can stoop to the level of savage animals.
"a troll is someone who posts inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as a forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking readers into an emotional response"
Unless you've got some evidence of who carried out this terrible attack (which you would have course contacted the police over) there's no other reason why you would have suggested a specific type of person carried out the attack other than to provoke 'an emotional response'
Back on the subject, I don't understand why it's taken 12 days for the police to appeal for information. Surely any info that the public had wouldn't be fresh in the mind now?
The Hoffster
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4:39pm Tue 20 Nov 12
Tinybantam wrote:TB, it's sickening that those scum got away with it.
The Hoffster wrote:Quite right Sir! He is 17 years old, white, and had just left college. He had missed his bus, and so decided to walk part of the way home, up Great Horton Road. He was opposite the end of Summerville Road, when he encountered these youths. He crossed the road when he saw them coming towards him, but they ran across and bloked his way forward. He is not the biggest of lads and is very quiet. He told us afterwards that he was very frightened and pleaded with them to let him go. The heartless scum attacked him instead, leaving him black and blue, bruised and bloodied, but thankfully nothing broken. His Father, myself and a couple of our friends drove him back down G.H.R. but they were nowhere to be seen. Probably just as well, because I can tell you, we were all pretty angry.
Tinybantam wrote:Those who attacked your friend's son were savage animals too.
angry bradfordian wrote:The Hoffster......you really are a troll if you believe the rubbish that you write. If only the EDL/BNP can stoop to the level of savage animals, then how come my friends son, was attacked and badly beaten in Great Horton Road, by five Asian youths. He was minding his own business walking home, when they jumped on him for no reason, and after giving him a beating, they stole his mobile and his wallet and walked off laughing.....IN BROAD DAYLIGHT too. Don't judge everyone by your own standards, and don't jump to conclusions either. As for the scum who did commit this attack, they should be put in the stocks, in the city park on a Saturday morning and then at 4pm they should be tied to a lampost and Cat-o-nine-tailed or birched. It might make them think in future before the decide to attack innocent people.
The Hoffster wrote:Definition of troll:
Apollo wrote:Where?! {confused}
The Hoffster wrote:Troll alert.
Apollo wrote: No description of those involved? And why did the first employee who got involved simply not ring the Police and prevent a much more serious incident? Failings all round on this one First Bradford.The description is quite simple: they were most likely BNP/EDL scum sympathisers. Only *they* can stoop to the level of savage animals.
"a troll is someone who posts inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as a forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking readers into an emotional response"
Unless you've got some evidence of who carried out this terrible attack (which you would have course contacted the police over) there's no other reason why you would have suggested a specific type of person carried out the attack other than to provoke 'an emotional response'
Back on the subject, I don't understand why it's taken 12 days for the police to appeal for information. Surely any info that the public had wouldn't be fresh in the mind now?
Hope you're friend's son is ok and not scarred by this permanently (whether physically or mentally).
one nil
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9:53pm Tue 20 Nov 12
georget
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10:30am Wed 21 Nov 12
XBradfordian wrote:My Regards To Fred aswell, Hope you are ok Ex Field Electrician
Sorry to read about Freddie, Hope your doing O.K. mate, life aint fair when they pick on O.A.P.s, take care Freddie and mend quickly.....ex workmate @ fields
Wanna Have
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11:17am Wed 21 Nov 12
Tinybantam wrote:Are the police doing anything about this, why is it not in this paper, they clearly sought to hurt your boy as I'm sure if the phone was the motivation he would have handed it over.
The Hoffster wrote:Quite right Sir! He is 17 years old, white, and had just left college. He had missed his bus, and so decided to walk part of the way home, up Great Horton Road. He was opposite the end of Summerville Road, when he encountered these youths. He crossed the road when he saw them coming towards him, but they ran across and bloked his way forward. He is not the biggest of lads and is very quiet. He told us afterwards that he was very frightened and pleaded with them to let him go. The heartless scum attacked him instead, leaving him black and blue, bruised and bloodied, but thankfully nothing broken. His Father, myself and a couple of our friends drove him back down G.H.R. but they were nowhere to be seen. Probably just as well, because I can tell you, we were all pretty angry.Tinybantam wrote:Those who attacked your friend's son were savage animals too.angry bradfordian wrote:The Hoffster......you really are a troll if you believe the rubbish that you write. If only the EDL/BNP can stoop to the level of savage animals, then how come my friends son, was attacked and badly beaten in Great Horton Road, by five Asian youths. He was minding his own business walking home, when they jumped on him for no reason, and after giving him a beating, they stole his mobile and his wallet and walked off laughing.....IN BROAD DAYLIGHT too. Don't judge everyone by your own standards, and don't jump to conclusions either. As for the scum who did commit this attack, they should be put in the stocks, in the city park on a Saturday morning and then at 4pm they should be tied to a lampost and Cat-o-nine-tailed or birched. It might make them think in future before the decide to attack innocent people.The Hoffster wrote:Definition of troll: "a troll is someone who posts inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as a forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking readers into an emotional response" Unless you've got some evidence of who carried out this terrible attack (which you would have course contacted the police over) there's no other reason why you would have suggested a specific type of person carried out the attack other than to provoke 'an emotional response' Back on the subject, I don't understand why it's taken 12 days for the police to appeal for information. Surely any info that the public had wouldn't be fresh in the mind now?Apollo wrote:Where?! {confused}The Hoffster wrote:Troll alert.Apollo wrote: No description of those involved? And why did the first employee who got involved simply not ring the Police and prevent a much more serious incident? Failings all round on this one First Bradford.The description is quite simple: they were most likely BNP/EDL scum sympathisers. Only *they* can stoop to the level of savage animals.
thruth9211
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12:14pm Wed 21 Nov 12
Well dun
Never interfere with yobs, as the culture of claims have increased
The problem is due to the POLICE not doing their job, maybe the yobs were drunk, and hence cannot charge them cause if they charge these people, the tax revenue will be reduced to the state
Yet again T and A to blaim an innocent driver, Get a grib with it
Oh yeah and tell your editior to rethink the comments section as it causes problems ie the issue regarding the alcohol problem article, it has somehow disappered
thruth9211
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12:32pm Wed 21 Nov 12
The police wont charge the yob, infact will some where from their law bible come out with a chargable offence and stick it on the driver
No justice
Gabbysgran
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9:06am Fri 23 Nov 12
Gabbysgran
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9:18am Fri 23 Nov 12
The Hoffster wrote:Very probably, or even AFL or Islam4UK sympathisers, I do not think their politics enter into it! Trust a leftie hand wringer to even mention it! I should imagine the feral scum who carried out this attac were'nt exactly politically motivated !
Apollo wrote: No description of those involved? And why did the first employee who got involved simply not ring the Police and prevent a much more serious incident? Failings all round on this one First Bradford.The description is quite simple: they were most likely BNP/EDL scum sympathisers. Only *they* can stoop to the level of savage animals.
thruth9211
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2:17pm Fri 23 Nov 12
go f ur self
Albion.
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2:45pm Fri 23 Nov 12
thruth9211 wrote:Tut-tut! You'll have to respond in a more constructive and restrained way, if you wish to be taken seriously.
gabbysgran ur an idiot, why do you have to mention religion in to this argument
go f ur self
The post that you criticise was a response to someone who takes every opportunity going to put down anything pro-British or vaguely critical of anything Asian or Islamic.
If you fail to moderate your responses, you will end up like The Hoffster, constantly being removed by the censors.
Re-read the posts, it was The Hoffster (a Muslim) who was being provocative.
Whoisevans?
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8:52pm Fri 23 Nov 12
Gabbysgran
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9:36am Mon 26 Nov 12
thruth9211 wrote:I didn't! I was replying to what someone else said !!
gabbysgran ur an idiot, why do you have to mention religion in to this argument go f ur self
idleone says...
7:48am Mon 19 Nov 12