Rush hour 'nightmare' in Bradford goes on

Bradford Telegraph and Argus: The car-share lane The car-share lane

A scheme designed to ease congestion at a traffic blackspot in Bradford has actually increased journey times for both buses and cars, it has emerged.

The short car share lane was installed along the A650 as well as measures designed to ease congestion on the Tong Street corridor, such as changes to pedestrian crossings, at a cost of £300,000 to Bradford Council.

It opened in March and was expected to improve bus times by up to ten minutes, up to 12 minutes for vehicles carrying two or more people, and up to eight minutes for other vehicles, during peak times. But a traffic survey completed last month as the six-month trial period came to an end has shown a very different picture.

Journey times were measured along the A650 between the New Hey Road and Neville Road roundabout on Wakefield Road and the A650 Whitehall Road and the A58 Drighlington by-pass roundabout.

And the results show that there has been a “significant increase” in car journey times in the morning peak driving in to Bradford of three minutes and 15 seconds, and driving out of one minute and 43 seconds. The evening peak has also seen a slight increase in overall journey times, with inbound times going up by an average of six seconds and outbound by 46 seconds.

Inbound bus times have also increased slightly – on average by 30 seconds or less, whereas outbound services have increased by at least two minutes and 30 seconds.

In both instances the 549 metre-long car share lane section of the journey has resulted in improved travel times for that section – 12 seconds for multi-occupancy vehicles – as well as 12 seconds in the morning for buses and 54 seconds in the evening. But it is difficulties further along Tong Street, as well as construction work on the M62 resulting in frequent congestion on the motorway and the subsequent displacement of some traffic on to the A650, that are blamed for the extra delays.

Councillor Imran Khan (Lab, Bowling and Barkerend) said Tong Street was an “absolute nightmare” but that the car share lane alone would not ease journeys to that extent and that any extra funding for major works on the corridor should be pressed for. “Under the current circumstances, with the major knock-on effect that work on the M62 is having, I think it is worth giving it a bit more time,” he said.

Councillor Val Slater, the Council’s portfolio holder for transport, said she was “disappointed” the promised reduction in journey times had not immediately been realised.

“However, it seems that there are a number of complicated issues here that are inter-related – the impact of the pedestrian crossings, the ongoing work on the M62, issues at the other end of Tong Street near the Drighlington by-pass roundabout, as well as people illegally using the high-occupancy vehicle road, and whether or not that’s being properly enforced.”

In a report, which will be discussed next week at a joint meeting of Bradford South and East area committees, it states that publicity surrounding the 2+ lane does not appear to have had any impact on the amount of car sharing along the corridor.

And while bus services are not faster, Arriva is pleased that the changes have improved reliability, it adds.

In addition, police have carried out two separate crackdowns, handing out fixed penalty notices to drivers using the high-occupancy lane illegally.

Over five days in May and June 63 fines were handed out, while over the same number of days in October, 58 fines were given out.

The report recommends that the trial period continue.

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7:54am Fri 16 Nov 12

Cooperlane2 says...

So bottlenecks just get moved along the road. Too many cars at the same time. Even with flexible working hours you might only change your hours of work by an hour, so still within rush hour. What is the solution? Price people out of cars and intses? Or accept congestion and the delays at those times?.
Building new lanes diesn't seem to be the solution.
So bottlenecks just get moved along the road. Too many cars at the same time. Even with flexible working hours you might only change your hours of work by an hour, so still within rush hour. What is the solution? Price people out of cars and intses? Or accept congestion and the delays at those times?. Building new lanes diesn't seem to be the solution. Cooperlane2
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8:07am Fri 16 Nov 12

Lillian76 says...

This is just going to get worse when they block St Margarets Avenue off.
This is just going to get worse when they block St Margarets Avenue off. Lillian76
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8:21am Fri 16 Nov 12

mad matt says...

Too many vehicles wanting to use the same bit of road at the same time - OK - so what's new about that?
If you speed up the flow of traffic in one place, you just move the bottle-neck further up the road. The whole of the route has to be addressed at the same time.
Alternatives are to make other routes more accessible or to reduce the traffic demands.
The only way to reduce the traffic is to persuade more short-journey travellers to use public transport but that would need an enormous improvement in the bus services and a reduction in the bus fares. I can't see that happening any time soon.
Too many vehicles wanting to use the same bit of road at the same time - OK - so what's new about that? If you speed up the flow of traffic in one place, you just move the bottle-neck further up the road. The whole of the route has to be addressed at the same time. Alternatives are to make other routes more accessible or to reduce the traffic demands. The only way to reduce the traffic is to persuade more short-journey travellers to use public transport but that would need an enormous improvement in the bus services and a reduction in the bus fares. I can't see that happening any time soon. mad matt
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8:26am Fri 16 Nov 12

webess says...

It's well known that the car share lane in Leeds has worsened congestion, in the ten years since no other council in the country has opened one....then along come Bradford council and opens one, and guess what? it's worsened congestion.
At least the fine income will come in handy....
It's well known that the car share lane in Leeds has worsened congestion, in the ten years since no other council in the country has opened one....then along come Bradford council and opens one, and guess what? it's worsened congestion. At least the fine income will come in handy.... webess
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8:35am Fri 16 Nov 12

angry bradfordian says...

The only thing that surprises me about the results is that it only takes an extra 46 seconds to get outbound in the evening rush hour. It may just be perception but I seem to remain at standstill for much longer than that.

I find it laughable that Cllr Slater blames people using the high occupancy lane illegally as a reason it hasn't worked when it's only there as a result of the changes!
The only thing that surprises me about the results is that it only takes an extra 46 seconds to get outbound in the evening rush hour. It may just be perception but I seem to remain at standstill for much longer than that. I find it laughable that Cllr Slater blames people using the high occupancy lane illegally as a reason it hasn't worked when it's only there as a result of the changes! angry bradfordian
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8:54am Fri 16 Nov 12

Willard says...

The problem is simple, jobs are in one place and the houses are in another and the public transport no longer connects the two as all routes go through the interchange. We need more jobs close to either housing, so people dont need to drive, or our city centre, so people can use a single bus trip. Jobs, this is when you get a wage or money for doing some productive work for a person or a business and the wage or money, can be used to buy a house, or goods and services.
The problem is simple, jobs are in one place and the houses are in another and the public transport no longer connects the two as all routes go through the interchange. We need more jobs close to either housing, so people dont need to drive, or our city centre, so people can use a single bus trip. Jobs, this is when you get a wage or money for doing some productive work for a person or a business and the wage or money, can be used to buy a house, or goods and services. Willard
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8:57am Fri 16 Nov 12

webess says...

"And while bus services are not faster, Arriva is pleased that the changes have improved reliability, it adds."

What on earth does that mean?


"The report recommends that the trial period continue"

They would say that wouldn't they?

And when exactly does the "trial period" end?
"And while bus services are not faster, Arriva is pleased that the changes have improved reliability, it adds." What on earth does that mean? "The report recommends that the trial period continue" They would say that wouldn't they? And when exactly does the "trial period" end? webess
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9:01am Fri 16 Nov 12

Lillian76 says...

after 18 months then they decide if it satys or not
after 18 months then they decide if it satys or not Lillian76
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9:04am Fri 16 Nov 12

angry bradfordian says...

webess wrote:
"And while bus services are not faster, Arriva is pleased that the changes have improved reliability, it adds."

What on earth does that mean?


"The report recommends that the trial period continue"

They would say that wouldn't they?

And when exactly does the "trial period" end?
'Improving reliability' probably means that you can guarantee that they'll ALWAYS be late now!
[quote][p][bold]webess[/bold] wrote: "And while bus services are not faster, Arriva is pleased that the changes have improved reliability, it adds." What on earth does that mean? "The report recommends that the trial period continue" They would say that wouldn't they? And when exactly does the "trial period" end?[/p][/quote]'Improving reliability' probably means that you can guarantee that they'll ALWAYS be late now! angry bradfordian
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10:46am Fri 16 Nov 12

yezboss says...

Ill thought out. (if at all) badly engineered, badly designed by bad engineers. Why do we pay these people, they waste our money. Just to keep themselves in a job I suggest.
Ill thought out. (if at all) badly engineered, badly designed by bad engineers. Why do we pay these people, they waste our money. Just to keep themselves in a job I suggest. yezboss
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11:23am Fri 16 Nov 12

mad matt says...

Might be an idea then just to ask the drivers who use the route what THEY think would improve matters for everybody.
Might be an idea then just to ask the drivers who use the route what THEY think would improve matters for everybody. mad matt
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11:48am Fri 16 Nov 12

webess says...

mad matt wrote:
Might be an idea then just to ask the drivers who use the route what THEY think would improve matters for everybody.
Widening Tong Street as the council planned decades ago would be a good a start. Failing that a park & ride.

Also a car share lane is meant to increase car sharing - presumably this scheme has failed in that regard as well?
[quote][p][bold]mad matt[/bold] wrote: Might be an idea then just to ask the drivers who use the route what THEY think would improve matters for everybody.[/p][/quote]Widening Tong Street as the council planned decades ago would be a good a start. Failing that a park & ride. Also a car share lane is meant to increase car sharing - presumably this scheme has failed in that regard as well? webess
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12:30pm Fri 16 Nov 12

legallyblonde says...

as one who uses the road 6 days a week I would like to say last Friday at 4pm I was stuck on Tong St for over 20 mins at a standstill - and any given day do not manage to pass through less than 10 - 15 mins from the silly lane to the a650 - when I was at school in the area I remember houses being demolished on Tong St for road widening - not done. as always in Bradford there are good roads that go from 2 lanes to 1 Thornton Rd is the same - even the Aire Valley Trunk ends up on Tong St so its easy to see that the planners are rubbish, its no use having wide roads lead to narrow traffic light strewn roads and then expect that there will not be congestion. Maybe the a650 should be extended although even if it came to the top of the 606 it would be not good as then you have the bottleneck at Lidget Green - maybe the a650 and the AVT should be joined and bypass Bradford altogether? The reason I have to use the road is my employer relocated to Morley so I have no option but to struggle to get there. The reason they relocated was the state of the roads in Bradford when trying to get visitors off the M62 and across the city!!
as one who uses the road 6 days a week I would like to say last Friday at 4pm I was stuck on Tong St for over 20 mins at a standstill - and any given day do not manage to pass through less than 10 - 15 mins from the silly lane to the a650 - when I was at school in the area I remember houses being demolished on Tong St for road widening - not done. as always in Bradford there are good roads that go from 2 lanes to 1 Thornton Rd is the same - even the Aire Valley Trunk ends up on Tong St so its easy to see that the planners are rubbish, its no use having wide roads lead to narrow traffic light strewn roads and then expect that there will not be congestion. Maybe the a650 should be extended although even if it came to the top of the 606 it would be not good as then you have the bottleneck at Lidget Green - maybe the a650 and the AVT should be joined and bypass Bradford altogether? The reason I have to use the road is my employer relocated to Morley so I have no option but to struggle to get there. The reason they relocated was the state of the roads in Bradford when trying to get visitors off the M62 and across the city!! legallyblonde
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12:31pm Fri 16 Nov 12

basil fawlty says...

Most people clearly cannot car share so the scheme was doomed. Typical attempt at a half baked scheme done on the cheap because its in Bradford.
Most people clearly cannot car share so the scheme was doomed. Typical attempt at a half baked scheme done on the cheap because its in Bradford. basil fawlty
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12:34pm Fri 16 Nov 12

m.r.c says...

To start alter the synchronisation of the traffic lights and give the A650 a better run. When traffic is 'lighter' why is equal priority given to traffic emerging from Toftshaw Lane ?.
To start alter the synchronisation of the traffic lights and give the A650 a better run. When traffic is 'lighter' why is equal priority given to traffic emerging from Toftshaw Lane ?. m.r.c
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12:49pm Fri 16 Nov 12

yorkshiredude says...

D'oh!

What I hope this shows is more investment is needed in public transport - i.e. better transport so people are tempted out of cars. A 500m long bit of lane not the answer!
D'oh! What I hope this shows is more investment is needed in public transport - i.e. better transport so people are tempted out of cars. A 500m long bit of lane not the answer! yorkshiredude
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1:05pm Fri 16 Nov 12

Prisoner Cell Block A says...

No-one likes car sharing, end of.
Few people like public transport for many and various reasons.

The road system in Bradford stopped being useful around about the same time as our industry died, that is when people took to the roads to widen their job search or to work at employers not in their own village or area but the other side of town or even in other towns/cities.

Money and thought needed to be applied then as it was apparent that the textile trade had died and as one of the largest cities outside London we would have a large percentage of our tax paying/council tax paying adults having to move around to continue working for a living.

The blame once again lies firmly at shgortsightedness of council and planners.
No-one likes car sharing, end of. Few people like public transport for many and various reasons. The road system in Bradford stopped being useful around about the same time as our industry died, that is when people took to the roads to widen their job search or to work at employers not in their own village or area but the other side of town or even in other towns/cities. Money and thought needed to be applied then as it was apparent that the textile trade had died and as one of the largest cities outside London we would have a large percentage of our tax paying/council tax paying adults having to move around to continue working for a living. The blame once again lies firmly at shgortsightedness of council and planners. Prisoner Cell Block A
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1:21pm Fri 16 Nov 12

Joedavid says...

Raise speed limit so cars can go faster, the council for past few years have been going round reducing 40mph roads out of the City to 30mph, so what did they expect.
Raise speed limit so cars can go faster, the council for past few years have been going round reducing 40mph roads out of the City to 30mph, so what did they expect. Joedavid
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1:21pm Fri 16 Nov 12

Joedavid says...

Raise speed limit so cars can go faster, the council for past few years have been going round reducing 40mph roads out of the City to 30mph, so what did they expect.
Raise speed limit so cars can go faster, the council for past few years have been going round reducing 40mph roads out of the City to 30mph, so what did they expect. Joedavid
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1:41pm Fri 16 Nov 12

sam-tyler says...

Joedavid wrote:
Raise speed limit so cars can go faster, the council for past few years have been going round reducing 40mph roads out of the City to 30mph, so what did they expect.
Wakefield Rd is 40mph, Tong Street is 30. Tong St is too congested to even do the speed limit, let alone a raised one.
[quote][p][bold]Joedavid[/bold] wrote: Raise speed limit so cars can go faster, the council for past few years have been going round reducing 40mph roads out of the City to 30mph, so what did they expect.[/p][/quote]Wakefield Rd is 40mph, Tong Street is 30. Tong St is too congested to even do the speed limit, let alone a raised one. sam-tyler
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1:43pm Fri 16 Nov 12

liamkph says...

Well raising the speed limit would only cause throuble as the road has a lot of pedestians and is not exactly out of the city where the problems are, but must admit the new traffic lights are not working, especially on the slip road going onto tong st from dudley hill round about, at rush hour with people trying to get into a lane to carry on up tong street blocks all other traffic going into holmewood at that point.
Well raising the speed limit would only cause throuble as the road has a lot of pedestians and is not exactly out of the city where the problems are, but must admit the new traffic lights are not working, especially on the slip road going onto tong st from dudley hill round about, at rush hour with people trying to get into a lane to carry on up tong street blocks all other traffic going into holmewood at that point. liamkph
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2:17pm Fri 16 Nov 12

single says...

When propery was bought for widening project it came to a brick wall ,churches,wouldnt agree unless the council built them new premises.
out of the question said council so stalemate/ and chaos for plebs!!!
When propery was bought for widening project it came to a brick wall ,churches,wouldnt agree unless the council built them new premises. out of the question said council so stalemate/ and chaos for plebs!!! single
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5:48pm Fri 16 Nov 12

sam-tyler says...

single wrote:
When propery was bought for widening project it came to a brick wall ,churches,wouldnt agree unless the council built them new premises.
out of the question said council so stalemate/ and chaos for plebs!!!
Dunno where you got that gem from, as the only thing in the way between Knowles Lane & Tong Cemetery, that would stop a dual carriage way being built, is the shoite hole of a pub called The Holme Lane.
[quote][p][bold]single[/bold] wrote: When propery was bought for widening project it came to a brick wall ,churches,wouldnt agree unless the council built them new premises. out of the question said council so stalemate/ and chaos for plebs!!![/p][/quote]Dunno where you got that gem from, as the only thing in the way between Knowles Lane & Tong Cemetery, that would stop a dual carriage way being built, is the shoite hole of a pub called The Holme Lane. sam-tyler
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6:02pm Fri 16 Nov 12

sam-tyler says...

liamkph wrote:
Well raising the speed limit would only cause throuble as the road has a lot of pedestians and is not exactly out of the city where the problems are, but must admit the new traffic lights are not working, especially on the slip road going onto tong st from dudley hill round about, at rush hour with people trying to get into a lane to carry on up tong street blocks all other traffic going into holmewood at that point.
And the fact that cars wanting to join Tong street from Rooley Lane, block up Dudley Hill roundabout, preventing vehicles entering it from Sticker Lane & causing queues back to JCT Vauxhall, on an evening..

The whole scheme is pants, & the light poles should be dismantled & used to beat the fool who authorised it in the first place.
[quote][p][bold]liamkph[/bold] wrote: Well raising the speed limit would only cause throuble as the road has a lot of pedestians and is not exactly out of the city where the problems are, but must admit the new traffic lights are not working, especially on the slip road going onto tong st from dudley hill round about, at rush hour with people trying to get into a lane to carry on up tong street blocks all other traffic going into holmewood at that point.[/p][/quote]And the fact that cars wanting to join Tong street from Rooley Lane, block up Dudley Hill roundabout, preventing vehicles entering it from Sticker Lane & causing queues back to JCT Vauxhall, on an evening.. The whole scheme is pants, & the light poles should be dismantled & used to beat the fool who authorised it in the first place. sam-tyler
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6:52pm Fri 16 Nov 12

Old Dave says...

There is a plot of land in this area that usd to be Yorkshire marytrs schoool. The council should buy it, level what is left of the building, and have a park and ride there. There are already bus stops there as the Tong school has at least a dozen bus bays!
There is a plot of land in this area that usd to be Yorkshire marytrs schoool. The council should buy it, level what is left of the building, and have a park and ride there. There are already bus stops there as the Tong school has at least a dozen bus bays! Old Dave
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9:10pm Fri 16 Nov 12

justjustice says...

What were the times during school holidays when the school run isnt about?
What were the times during school holidays when the school run isnt about? justjustice
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10:52pm Fri 16 Nov 12

mad matt says...

justjustice wrote:
What were the times during school holidays when the school run isnt about?
Most likely the same as the rest of Bradford - no delays whatsoever!
[quote][p][bold]justjustice[/bold] wrote: What were the times during school holidays when the school run isnt about?[/p][/quote]Most likely the same as the rest of Bradford - no delays whatsoever! mad matt
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12:11am Sat 17 Nov 12

WayneRouke says...

Apologies in advance, any mistakes are typos, not spelling mistakes.

"the impact of the pedestrian crossings" ???

I dont understand that comment one bit. Is he saying get rid of them, because they stop traffic?? Isnt that what they are supposed to do (and they dont)..

The traffic problems are on the whole caused by a lot of the selfish drivers. If they followed what they were taught and were a little more polite, traffic would flow better (proved, M25 controlled zone, other controlled zones have proved that slowing down makes traffic flow more freely, and as such actually goes quicker). If drivers drove defensively as opposed to (road rage inducing) offensively, then this would ease traffic (and tempers at the fool who has just cut you up)

Tong Street is a death trap waiting for its next victim, at the pedestrian crossings (as has recently been demonstrated).

Reason-- SELFISH, rubbish drivers. They simply HAVE to go in the outside lane at the crossing just to get in front of one more vehicle and get to their destination ten seconds earlier. Traffic is at a standstill in the inside lane and a driver who has no regard for their fellow human beings scream up the outside lane, jumping the lights as they go onto red, onto the pedestrian crossing which by this time is GREEN. Anyone crossing cannot see this vehicle coming up the outside lane (It actually happened).

They block up (illegally) the box junction and also stop directly on the pedestrian crossings, even when they are indicating the pedestrian to cross.

Its as if the Highway code does not exist for some people, or they forget all about it on passing their theory test. Either that or they are just plain stupid.

For example. The highway code states you should give way to vehicles which have a clear route if your route is blocked (eg parked car your side).

Bradford is so full of rubbish drivers that they simply pull out and force the driver with the right of way to stop. How rude is that?

For example, the highway code states that you should give way to a vehicle coming up a hill.. FAT chance of that happening in Bradford.. Too many rubbish, selfish drivers. How ignorant.

I am not having a pop at any particular sex or age group, as the faults span all sectors, I see men and women of all ages being totally stupid, who then have the impudence to stare and glare at you when you shake your head at their small minded behaviour.

Cyclists appear to have no regard whatsoever for other vehicles, junctions, lights, pedestrian crossings or anything else beyond three feet in front of them or whats playing in their headphones.

I car share usually, and when I cannot, I go on the bus. I have to cross the road and put my life in my hands every time I do so. But I do drive as well, so I see it from all angles, and I observe the appalling behaviour on that particular road.

Not that my rant will make any difference, as selfish drivers simply take no notice of anyone, as nobody else exists in their puerile, simplistic minds.

I for one agree with people being fined for using the two plus lane when they shouldnt. I obey the law, and wait in the queue (politely), why shouldnt they? What puts them above me?. Just because someone regards themself as better or superior to everyone else and have a divine right to be rude and get home or to work ahead of everybody else does not put them above the law.

And I physically laugh when they are caught ABUSING the two plus lane. If they werent so selfish, they would not have been caught and have to fork out hard earned money.

Therefore, I am in favour of MORE policing of that particular stretch, as a physical police presence has shown that drivers tend to behave themselves a bit more, traffic tends to flow a bit better and pedestrians can cross in relative safety, because their crossing point is not blocked by a lorry, transit van or car.

Now, if these selfish drivers were named and shamed, would it make any difference.

What if a camera photgraphed them and beamed it into the T&A Offices, for instant publication on a sinners page..

Would people scorn them for being idiots??.. And if so, would they modify their behaviour??. These people are so full of themselves I very much doubt it.

As for uninsured drivers.. Well, while you are in the queue on Tong street, count ten cars and think on that statistically at least two of them are uninsured.

Keep your eye on other tax discs and grass up illegal ones, because everyone pays for those neanderthals.
Apologies in advance, any mistakes are typos, not spelling mistakes. "the impact of the pedestrian crossings" ??? I dont understand that comment one bit. Is he saying get rid of them, because they stop traffic?? Isnt that what they are supposed to do (and they dont).. The traffic problems are on the whole caused by a lot of the selfish drivers. If they followed what they were taught and were a little more polite, traffic would flow better (proved, M25 controlled zone, other controlled zones have proved that slowing down makes traffic flow more freely, and as such actually goes quicker). If drivers drove defensively as opposed to (road rage inducing) offensively, then this would ease traffic (and tempers at the fool who has just cut you up) Tong Street is a death trap waiting for its next victim, at the pedestrian crossings (as has recently been demonstrated). Reason-- SELFISH, rubbish drivers. They simply HAVE to go in the outside lane at the crossing just to get in front of one more vehicle and get to their destination ten seconds earlier. Traffic is at a standstill in the inside lane and a driver who has no regard for their fellow human beings scream up the outside lane, jumping the lights as they go onto red, onto the pedestrian crossing which by this time is GREEN. Anyone crossing cannot see this vehicle coming up the outside lane (It actually happened). They block up (illegally) the box junction and also stop directly on the pedestrian crossings, even when they are indicating the pedestrian to cross. Its as if the Highway code does not exist for some people, or they forget all about it on passing their theory test. Either that or they are just plain stupid. For example. The highway code states you should give way to vehicles which have a clear route if your route is blocked (eg parked car your side). Bradford is so full of rubbish drivers that they simply pull out and force the driver with the right of way to stop. How rude is that? For example, the highway code states that you should give way to a vehicle coming up a hill.. FAT chance of that happening in Bradford.. Too many rubbish, selfish drivers. How ignorant. I am not having a pop at any particular sex or age group, as the faults span all sectors, I see men and women of all ages being totally stupid, who then have the impudence to stare and glare at you when you shake your head at their small minded behaviour. Cyclists appear to have no regard whatsoever for other vehicles, junctions, lights, pedestrian crossings or anything else beyond three feet in front of them or whats playing in their headphones. I car share usually, and when I cannot, I go on the bus. I have to cross the road and put my life in my hands every time I do so. But I do drive as well, so I see it from all angles, and I observe the appalling behaviour on that particular road. Not that my rant will make any difference, as selfish drivers simply take no notice of anyone, as nobody else exists in their puerile, simplistic minds. I for one agree with people being fined for using the two plus lane when they shouldnt. I obey the law, and wait in the queue (politely), why shouldnt they? What puts them above me?. Just because someone regards themself as better or superior to everyone else and have a divine right to be rude and get home or to work ahead of everybody else does not put them above the law. And I physically laugh when they are caught ABUSING the two plus lane. If they werent so selfish, they would not have been caught and have to fork out hard earned money. Therefore, I am in favour of MORE policing of that particular stretch, as a physical police presence has shown that drivers tend to behave themselves a bit more, traffic tends to flow a bit better and pedestrians can cross in relative safety, because their crossing point is not blocked by a lorry, transit van or car. Now, if these selfish drivers were named and shamed, would it make any difference. What if a camera photgraphed them and beamed it into the T&A Offices, for instant publication on a sinners page.. Would people scorn them for being idiots??.. And if so, would they modify their behaviour??. These people are so full of themselves I very much doubt it. As for uninsured drivers.. Well, while you are in the queue on Tong street, count ten cars and think on that statistically at least two of them are uninsured. Keep your eye on other tax discs and grass up illegal ones, because everyone pays for those neanderthals. WayneRouke
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10:06am Sat 17 Nov 12

Huneybunch says...

WayneRouke wrote:
Apologies in advance, any mistakes are typos, not spelling mistakes.

"the impact of the pedestrian crossings" ???

I dont understand that comment one bit. Is he saying get rid of them, because they stop traffic?? Isnt that what they are supposed to do (and they dont)..

The traffic problems are on the whole caused by a lot of the selfish drivers. If they followed what they were taught and were a little more polite, traffic would flow better (proved, M25 controlled zone, other controlled zones have proved that slowing down makes traffic flow more freely, and as such actually goes quicker). If drivers drove defensively as opposed to (road rage inducing) offensively, then this would ease traffic (and tempers at the fool who has just cut you up)

Tong Street is a death trap waiting for its next victim, at the pedestrian crossings (as has recently been demonstrated).

Reason-- SELFISH, rubbish drivers. They simply HAVE to go in the outside lane at the crossing just to get in front of one more vehicle and get to their destination ten seconds earlier. Traffic is at a standstill in the inside lane and a driver who has no regard for their fellow human beings scream up the outside lane, jumping the lights as they go onto red, onto the pedestrian crossing which by this time is GREEN. Anyone crossing cannot see this vehicle coming up the outside lane (It actually happened).

They block up (illegally) the box junction and also stop directly on the pedestrian crossings, even when they are indicating the pedestrian to cross.

Its as if the Highway code does not exist for some people, or they forget all about it on passing their theory test. Either that or they are just plain stupid.

For example. The highway code states you should give way to vehicles which have a clear route if your route is blocked (eg parked car your side).

Bradford is so full of rubbish drivers that they simply pull out and force the driver with the right of way to stop. How rude is that?

For example, the highway code states that you should give way to a vehicle coming up a hill.. FAT chance of that happening in Bradford.. Too many rubbish, selfish drivers. How ignorant.

I am not having a pop at any particular sex or age group, as the faults span all sectors, I see men and women of all ages being totally stupid, who then have the impudence to stare and glare at you when you shake your head at their small minded behaviour.

Cyclists appear to have no regard whatsoever for other vehicles, junctions, lights, pedestrian crossings or anything else beyond three feet in front of them or whats playing in their headphones.

I car share usually, and when I cannot, I go on the bus. I have to cross the road and put my life in my hands every time I do so. But I do drive as well, so I see it from all angles, and I observe the appalling behaviour on that particular road.

Not that my rant will make any difference, as selfish drivers simply take no notice of anyone, as nobody else exists in their puerile, simplistic minds.

I for one agree with people being fined for using the two plus lane when they shouldnt. I obey the law, and wait in the queue (politely), why shouldnt they? What puts them above me?. Just because someone regards themself as better or superior to everyone else and have a divine right to be rude and get home or to work ahead of everybody else does not put them above the law.

And I physically laugh when they are caught ABUSING the two plus lane. If they werent so selfish, they would not have been caught and have to fork out hard earned money.

Therefore, I am in favour of MORE policing of that particular stretch, as a physical police presence has shown that drivers tend to behave themselves a bit more, traffic tends to flow a bit better and pedestrians can cross in relative safety, because their crossing point is not blocked by a lorry, transit van or car.

Now, if these selfish drivers were named and shamed, would it make any difference.

What if a camera photgraphed them and beamed it into the T&A Offices, for instant publication on a sinners page..

Would people scorn them for being idiots??.. And if so, would they modify their behaviour??. These people are so full of themselves I very much doubt it.

As for uninsured drivers.. Well, while you are in the queue on Tong street, count ten cars and think on that statistically at least two of them are uninsured.

Keep your eye on other tax discs and grass up illegal ones, because everyone pays for those neanderthals.
Well put. I agree with you 100%, as crossing the road at the traffic lights is a total nightmare, and when you do try and cross the driver glares at you as if you shouldnt be on the road. The problem also though is when you are driving over onto Tong street from the lights the road is wide and this is where a lot of the problems start as other drivers will not let you in even if you wait. Yes Bradford is one of the worst places I have ever driven in and I would go so far to say worse than London and I have driven in both places during Rush Hour, at least there they do allow you to join the flow of traffic.
[quote][p][bold]WayneRouke[/bold] wrote: Apologies in advance, any mistakes are typos, not spelling mistakes. "the impact of the pedestrian crossings" ??? I dont understand that comment one bit. Is he saying get rid of them, because they stop traffic?? Isnt that what they are supposed to do (and they dont).. The traffic problems are on the whole caused by a lot of the selfish drivers. If they followed what they were taught and were a little more polite, traffic would flow better (proved, M25 controlled zone, other controlled zones have proved that slowing down makes traffic flow more freely, and as such actually goes quicker). If drivers drove defensively as opposed to (road rage inducing) offensively, then this would ease traffic (and tempers at the fool who has just cut you up) Tong Street is a death trap waiting for its next victim, at the pedestrian crossings (as has recently been demonstrated). Reason-- SELFISH, rubbish drivers. They simply HAVE to go in the outside lane at the crossing just to get in front of one more vehicle and get to their destination ten seconds earlier. Traffic is at a standstill in the inside lane and a driver who has no regard for their fellow human beings scream up the outside lane, jumping the lights as they go onto red, onto the pedestrian crossing which by this time is GREEN. Anyone crossing cannot see this vehicle coming up the outside lane (It actually happened). They block up (illegally) the box junction and also stop directly on the pedestrian crossings, even when they are indicating the pedestrian to cross. Its as if the Highway code does not exist for some people, or they forget all about it on passing their theory test. Either that or they are just plain stupid. For example. The highway code states you should give way to vehicles which have a clear route if your route is blocked (eg parked car your side). Bradford is so full of rubbish drivers that they simply pull out and force the driver with the right of way to stop. How rude is that? For example, the highway code states that you should give way to a vehicle coming up a hill.. FAT chance of that happening in Bradford.. Too many rubbish, selfish drivers. How ignorant. I am not having a pop at any particular sex or age group, as the faults span all sectors, I see men and women of all ages being totally stupid, who then have the impudence to stare and glare at you when you shake your head at their small minded behaviour. Cyclists appear to have no regard whatsoever for other vehicles, junctions, lights, pedestrian crossings or anything else beyond three feet in front of them or whats playing in their headphones. I car share usually, and when I cannot, I go on the bus. I have to cross the road and put my life in my hands every time I do so. But I do drive as well, so I see it from all angles, and I observe the appalling behaviour on that particular road. Not that my rant will make any difference, as selfish drivers simply take no notice of anyone, as nobody else exists in their puerile, simplistic minds. I for one agree with people being fined for using the two plus lane when they shouldnt. I obey the law, and wait in the queue (politely), why shouldnt they? What puts them above me?. Just because someone regards themself as better or superior to everyone else and have a divine right to be rude and get home or to work ahead of everybody else does not put them above the law. And I physically laugh when they are caught ABUSING the two plus lane. If they werent so selfish, they would not have been caught and have to fork out hard earned money. Therefore, I am in favour of MORE policing of that particular stretch, as a physical police presence has shown that drivers tend to behave themselves a bit more, traffic tends to flow a bit better and pedestrians can cross in relative safety, because their crossing point is not blocked by a lorry, transit van or car. Now, if these selfish drivers were named and shamed, would it make any difference. What if a camera photgraphed them and beamed it into the T&A Offices, for instant publication on a sinners page.. Would people scorn them for being idiots??.. And if so, would they modify their behaviour??. These people are so full of themselves I very much doubt it. As for uninsured drivers.. Well, while you are in the queue on Tong street, count ten cars and think on that statistically at least two of them are uninsured. Keep your eye on other tax discs and grass up illegal ones, because everyone pays for those neanderthals.[/p][/quote]Well put. I agree with you 100%, as crossing the road at the traffic lights is a total nightmare, and when you do try and cross the driver glares at you as if you shouldnt be on the road. The problem also though is when you are driving over onto Tong street from the lights the road is wide and this is where a lot of the problems start as other drivers will not let you in even if you wait. Yes Bradford is one of the worst places I have ever driven in and I would go so far to say worse than London and I have driven in both places during Rush Hour, at least there they do allow you to join the flow of traffic. Huneybunch
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