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Bradford Bulls decide to take matters to High Court regarding points deduction

Bradford Telegraph and Argus: Bulls owner Marc Green Bulls owner Marc Green

BRADFORD Bulls officials have today confirmed their intention to challenge the points deduction imposed by the Rugby Football League in the High Court.

The six-point deduction suffered earlier this year, as a result of the club entering administration, was recently upheld by a Sporting Sanctions Appeal Panel.

The panel ruled the Bulls had not met the necessary threshold to allow an appeal to be fully considered.

However, the Bulls' legal representatives have reviewed the decision and, as a result, the club have decided to further pursue legal action against the RFL.

A spokesperson for Bradford Bulls' board of directors said: “Our solicitors and barrister have now had further opportunity to consider the complex issues raised, both in relation to the original points deduction and the subsequent decision of the Sporting Sanctions Appeal Panel to uphold it.

“The advice which the club has received is positive and, as a consequence of that indication, it is the club's intention to pursue what are considered to be appropriate legal remedies.

“The decision to do so has not been made lightly and will be continually reviewed to ensure that any action taken is beneficial to the club, players, partners, supporters and the sport as a whole.

“We are conscious of the fact others may be affected by our decision and indeed any outcome to the process. Together with the club's legal team, we shall endeavour to ensure matters are dealt with as efficiently as possible.

“It would not be right, in a statement such as this, to provide full and detailed reasoning for the actions being taken, or to analyse the basis of taking those actions.

“Suffice it to say, we would not embark upon such an exercise without good reason and cause. We are not doing this just for us as a club, we are pursuing matters for the good of the wider game.

“If and when proceedings are issued, we will be able to release further details and, subject to any advice that we as a club receive, we will be happy to update supporters, players and sponsors alike."

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12:35pm Thu 26 Jun 14

Alhaurinrhino says...

Oy vey,

Will this idiot never cease from dragging our game through the gutter?
It was this idiot who caused the second administration which caused the points deduction.
If he is unsuccessful then the bulls should be deducted another six points for next season for bringing the game into disrepute.
Oy vey, Will this idiot never cease from dragging our game through the gutter? It was this idiot who caused the second administration which caused the points deduction. If he is unsuccessful then the bulls should be deducted another six points for next season for bringing the game into disrepute. Alhaurinrhino
  • Score: 16

12:40pm Thu 26 Jun 14

Thee Voice of Reason says...

Waste of time and effort even if 6 points handed back.
Still it deflects from the performances on the pitch and means he doesn't have to strengthen the team until outcome is known.
Waste of time and effort even if 6 points handed back. Still it deflects from the performances on the pitch and means he doesn't have to strengthen the team until outcome is known. Thee Voice of Reason
  • Score: 35

12:58pm Thu 26 Jun 14

axelf1963 says...

Iestyn Harris anyone ?
Iestyn Harris anyone ? axelf1963
  • Score: -1

1:00pm Thu 26 Jun 14

spanglishbull.uk says...

T.V.O.R,
I thought you was supposed to be a sensible man unlike the other poster Rhino who is an out and out idiot.It has absolutely nothing to do with the six points,as the spokesman says it is for the good of the game andevery team as a whole.It is quite obvious to anybody with a scrap of common sense that something quite untoward has happened re the R.L. I have been saying it for years now that the people in charge at Red Hall are not fit for purpose and could not be relied on to run a kids tea party.O.K. you do not like the Bulls,that is your choice,but if you are any sort of normal person you must agree that the people who run the game are transparent and honest about everything.I for one am glad that this decision has been taken and everything done and said by the R.L. is out in the open.Remember Mark Moore threatened to go to court over what was promised and then denied.He probably did not have the financial backing to proceed so maybe Marc Green has.Ask yourself why would he do that if he did not think he was right?Would you stand back and let them get away with it if you had the wherewithal to fight it?I know I would not.
T.V.O.R, I thought you was supposed to be a sensible man unlike the other poster Rhino who is an out and out idiot.It has absolutely nothing to do with the six points,as the spokesman says it is for the good of the game andevery team as a whole.It is quite obvious to anybody with a scrap of common sense that something quite untoward has happened re the R.L. I have been saying it for years now that the people in charge at Red Hall are not fit for purpose and could not be relied on to run a kids tea party.O.K. you do not like the Bulls,that is your choice,but if you are any sort of normal person you must agree that the people who run the game are transparent and honest about everything.I for one am glad that this decision has been taken and everything done and said by the R.L. is out in the open.Remember Mark Moore threatened to go to court over what was promised and then denied.He probably did not have the financial backing to proceed so maybe Marc Green has.Ask yourself why would he do that if he did not think he was right?Would you stand back and let them get away with it if you had the wherewithal to fight it?I know I would not. spanglishbull.uk
  • Score: 7

1:18pm Thu 26 Jun 14

Alhaurinrhino says...

spanglishbull.uk wrote:
T.V.O.R,
I thought you was supposed to be a sensible man unlike the other poster Rhino who is an out and out idiot.It has absolutely nothing to do with the six points,as the spokesman says it is for the good of the game andevery team as a whole.It is quite obvious to anybody with a scrap of common sense that something quite untoward has happened re the R.L. I have been saying it for years now that the people in charge at Red Hall are not fit for purpose and could not be relied on to run a kids tea party.O.K. you do not like the Bulls,that is your choice,but if you are any sort of normal person you must agree that the people who run the game are transparent and honest about everything.I for one am glad that this decision has been taken and everything done and said by the R.L. is out in the open.Remember Mark Moore threatened to go to court over what was promised and then denied.He probably did not have the financial backing to proceed so maybe Marc Green has.Ask yourself why would he do that if he did not think he was right?Would you stand back and let them get away with it if you had the wherewithal to fight it?I know I would not.
The irony of being called an idiot by you is hilarious. Skirt round the problem all you like, this is a self inflicted punishment for all the years your club bought titles, whilst other clubs lived within their means.
Take it on the chin (both of them in your case) and move on.
The desperation of your club and chairman is fast becoming a joke, better he spend his few quid on a couple of players as TVOR alluded to.
[quote][p][bold]spanglishbull.uk[/bold] wrote: T.V.O.R, I thought you was supposed to be a sensible man unlike the other poster Rhino who is an out and out idiot.It has absolutely nothing to do with the six points,as the spokesman says it is for the good of the game andevery team as a whole.It is quite obvious to anybody with a scrap of common sense that something quite untoward has happened re the R.L. I have been saying it for years now that the people in charge at Red Hall are not fit for purpose and could not be relied on to run a kids tea party.O.K. you do not like the Bulls,that is your choice,but if you are any sort of normal person you must agree that the people who run the game are transparent and honest about everything.I for one am glad that this decision has been taken and everything done and said by the R.L. is out in the open.Remember Mark Moore threatened to go to court over what was promised and then denied.He probably did not have the financial backing to proceed so maybe Marc Green has.Ask yourself why would he do that if he did not think he was right?Would you stand back and let them get away with it if you had the wherewithal to fight it?I know I would not.[/p][/quote]The irony of being called an idiot by you is hilarious. Skirt round the problem all you like, this is a self inflicted punishment for all the years your club bought titles, whilst other clubs lived within their means. Take it on the chin (both of them in your case) and move on. The desperation of your club and chairman is fast becoming a joke, better he spend his few quid on a couple of players as TVOR alluded to. Alhaurinrhino
  • Score: -9

1:22pm Thu 26 Jun 14

Tell_Titus says...

Who advised him, Caisley?

Let sleeping dogs lie. Use the money to grow the club and line the pockets of lawyers
Who advised him, Caisley? Let sleeping dogs lie. Use the money to grow the club and line the pockets of lawyers Tell_Titus
  • Score: 3

1:25pm Thu 26 Jun 14

Tell_Titus says...

NOT line the pockets of lawyers I should have said
NOT line the pockets of lawyers I should have said Tell_Titus
  • Score: -4

1:37pm Thu 26 Jun 14

BirchLane-1964 says...

I would assume the club have sort expert legal advice from somewhere for this to go to the High Court otherwise they wouldn't waste money for the sake of it (well they have in the past I agree). If the High Court overturns the decision and the Bulls get their 6 points back, what does this mean for the game as a whole? A huge fall out you can assume. Winning this case may not save the bulls from relegation anyway but would go someway to clearing the clubs tarnished name and lead to finger pointing at the RFL. Hope you're 100% sure of the evidence Mr Green, but I for one think if there's a stonewall discrepancy relating to the reasons the club went into administration again then lets hope it's not a waste of next seasons transfer money!
I would assume the club have sort expert legal advice from somewhere for this to go to the High Court otherwise they wouldn't waste money for the sake of it (well they have in the past I agree). If the High Court overturns the decision and the Bulls get their 6 points back, what does this mean for the game as a whole? A huge fall out you can assume. Winning this case may not save the bulls from relegation anyway but would go someway to clearing the clubs tarnished name and lead to finger pointing at the RFL. Hope you're 100% sure of the evidence Mr Green, but I for one think if there's a stonewall discrepancy relating to the reasons the club went into administration again then lets hope it's not a waste of next seasons transfer money! BirchLane-1964
  • Score: 39

1:38pm Thu 26 Jun 14

Scrouge says...

Tell_Titus wrote:
Who advised him, Caisley?

Let sleeping dogs lie. Use the money to grow the club and line the pockets of lawyers
Yet another Idiot in the Caisley,Hood,Khan, Moore mould.
What is it with Bulls that it attracts Big Time Charlie's. More waste of money, the Lawyers will be rubbing there hands. Are Bulls paying the bill? And using Sky money given by the RFL? Bet Green is not putting any brass in. As Green is an admirer of Ken Bates I suppose we should have expected this appeal. No more favours from Red Hall.
[quote][p][bold]Tell_Titus[/bold] wrote: Who advised him, Caisley? Let sleeping dogs lie. Use the money to grow the club and line the pockets of lawyers[/p][/quote]Yet another Idiot in the Caisley,Hood,Khan, Moore mould. What is it with Bulls that it attracts Big Time Charlie's. More waste of money, the Lawyers will be rubbing there hands. Are Bulls paying the bill? And using Sky money given by the RFL? Bet Green is not putting any brass in. As Green is an admirer of Ken Bates I suppose we should have expected this appeal. No more favours from Red Hall. Scrouge
  • Score: -1

1:39pm Thu 26 Jun 14

Thee Voice of Reason says...

The RFL passed judgement.
An independant appeal was heard who upheld the judgement.
The club has twice dumped companies that ran the Bulls with substantial creditors and started with a clean slate.
Rules have been broken, act with dignity and let it lie.

Broncos are already planning for next season and although they haven't won a game this year, foundations are being laid to make a challenge for next year.

Fev, Halifax, Leigh are all looking to grab their chance to get promoted and are looking forwards not backwards.

Only Bradford are currently looking backwards and not forwards so when promotion and relegation is set to be decided next year, the Bulls could be caught napping.

There is every chance of promotion next year but the who club needs to be looking forward to next year and not backwards.
The RFL passed judgement. An independant appeal was heard who upheld the judgement. The club has twice dumped companies that ran the Bulls with substantial creditors and started with a clean slate. Rules have been broken, act with dignity and let it lie. Broncos are already planning for next season and although they haven't won a game this year, foundations are being laid to make a challenge for next year. Fev, Halifax, Leigh are all looking to grab their chance to get promoted and are looking forwards not backwards. Only Bradford are currently looking backwards and not forwards so when promotion and relegation is set to be decided next year, the Bulls could be caught napping. There is every chance of promotion next year but the who club needs to be looking forward to next year and not backwards. Thee Voice of Reason
  • Score: 6

1:45pm Thu 26 Jun 14

Size3_ says...

Where are they getting the money from to mount these legal battles? Seems like cutting your nose off to spite your face.
Where are they getting the money from to mount these legal battles? Seems like cutting your nose off to spite your face. Size3_
  • Score: 5

1:47pm Thu 26 Jun 14

Thee Voice of Reason says...

Size3_ wrote:
Where are they getting the money from to mount these legal battles? Seems like cutting your nose off to spite your face.
They can always go back into admin to clear the debts again.
[quote][p][bold]Size3_[/bold] wrote: Where are they getting the money from to mount these legal battles? Seems like cutting your nose off to spite your face.[/p][/quote]They can always go back into admin to clear the debts again. Thee Voice of Reason
  • Score: 4

1:52pm Thu 26 Jun 14

spanglishbull.uk says...

Of course the Bulls think that getting the points back will help them,I personally do not,but as I have stated,this is obviously about what has been said and actually done by the R.L. As for standing back and taking the punishment if the Bulls are confident that they have been deliberately miss led by the R.L. then of course they should pursue it for the benefit of the game itself and every other club under the jurisdiction of the R.L.What is the alternative,let the R.l. ride roughshod over every club.They are supposed to be there to represent the clubs not dictate to them how to run the club.What would you prefer,honesty and transparency or secrecy and privacy a la Sepp Blatter.I know which I prefer whether they get the points back or not.Let the courts decide and let us see exactly what has gone on behind closed doors.As usual once again the Rhino cannot come out with any sensible argument just drivel from somebody who never even goes to the games.
Of course the Bulls think that getting the points back will help them,I personally do not,but as I have stated,this is obviously about what has been said and actually done by the R.L. As for standing back and taking the punishment if the Bulls are confident that they have been deliberately miss led by the R.L. then of course they should pursue it for the benefit of the game itself and every other club under the jurisdiction of the R.L.What is the alternative,let the R.l. ride roughshod over every club.They are supposed to be there to represent the clubs not dictate to them how to run the club.What would you prefer,honesty and transparency or secrecy and privacy a la Sepp Blatter.I know which I prefer whether they get the points back or not.Let the courts decide and let us see exactly what has gone on behind closed doors.As usual once again the Rhino cannot come out with any sensible argument just drivel from somebody who never even goes to the games. spanglishbull.uk
  • Score: 10

1:59pm Thu 26 Jun 14

spanglishbull.uk says...

T.V.O.R.
Do you know if the R.L. agreed to pay off the creditors with the Sky Monies the Bulls agreed to forfeit and then they the R.L. reneged on the deal? No,you do not and neither do I.If so if you was in the same position and it happened to you would you pursue it or say "it is okay,let them keep it let us move forward" I think I know the answer to that one,so just put your brain in gear before you come out with stupid comments about some case you know nothing about.You really ought to change your user name,you are anything but reasonable.
T.V.O.R. Do you know if the R.L. agreed to pay off the creditors with the Sky Monies the Bulls agreed to forfeit and then they the R.L. reneged on the deal? No,you do not and neither do I.If so if you was in the same position and it happened to you would you pursue it or say "it is okay,let them keep it let us move forward" I think I know the answer to that one,so just put your brain in gear before you come out with stupid comments about some case you know nothing about.You really ought to change your user name,you are anything but reasonable. spanglishbull.uk
  • Score: -2

2:04pm Thu 26 Jun 14

Alhaurinrhino says...

spanglishbull.uk wrote:
Of course the Bulls think that getting the points back will help them,I personally do not,but as I have stated,this is obviously about what has been said and actually done by the R.L. As for standing back and taking the punishment if the Bulls are confident that they have been deliberately miss led by the R.L. then of course they should pursue it for the benefit of the game itself and every other club under the jurisdiction of the R.L.What is the alternative,let the R.l. ride roughshod over every club.They are supposed to be there to represent the clubs not dictate to them how to run the club.What would you prefer,honesty and transparency or secrecy and privacy a la Sepp Blatter.I know which I prefer whether they get the points back or not.Let the courts decide and let us see exactly what has gone on behind closed doors.As usual once again the Rhino cannot come out with any sensible argument just drivel from somebody who never even goes to the games.
I came out with sensible suggestions, hence the thumbs up. You on the other hand came out name calling and sticking up for your sad chairman.

Here's a suggestion for you, stop drinking so much Sanatogen, it make you a little too belligerent and you end up looking like a sad twta .
[quote][p][bold]spanglishbull.uk[/bold] wrote: Of course the Bulls think that getting the points back will help them,I personally do not,but as I have stated,this is obviously about what has been said and actually done by the R.L. As for standing back and taking the punishment if the Bulls are confident that they have been deliberately miss led by the R.L. then of course they should pursue it for the benefit of the game itself and every other club under the jurisdiction of the R.L.What is the alternative,let the R.l. ride roughshod over every club.They are supposed to be there to represent the clubs not dictate to them how to run the club.What would you prefer,honesty and transparency or secrecy and privacy a la Sepp Blatter.I know which I prefer whether they get the points back or not.Let the courts decide and let us see exactly what has gone on behind closed doors.As usual once again the Rhino cannot come out with any sensible argument just drivel from somebody who never even goes to the games.[/p][/quote]I came out with sensible suggestions, hence the thumbs up. You on the other hand came out name calling and sticking up for your sad chairman. Here's a suggestion for you, stop drinking so much Sanatogen, it make you a little too belligerent and you end up looking like a sad twta . Alhaurinrhino
  • Score: -11

2:04pm Thu 26 Jun 14

Thee Voice of Reason says...

spanglishbull.uk wrote:
T.V.O.R. Do you know if the R.L. agreed to pay off the creditors with the Sky Monies the Bulls agreed to forfeit and then they the R.L. reneged on the deal? No,you do not and neither do I.If so if you was in the same position and it happened to you would you pursue it or say "it is okay,let them keep it let us move forward" I think I know the answer to that one,so just put your brain in gear before you come out with stupid comments about some case you know nothing about.You really ought to change your user name,you are anything but reasonable.
I was of the understanding the RFL put the distribution of sky monies to vote and it was the other clubs who made a grab. Maybe I'm misinformed.
[quote][p][bold]spanglishbull.uk[/bold] wrote: T.V.O.R. Do you know if the R.L. agreed to pay off the creditors with the Sky Monies the Bulls agreed to forfeit and then they the R.L. reneged on the deal? No,you do not and neither do I.If so if you was in the same position and it happened to you would you pursue it or say "it is okay,let them keep it let us move forward" I think I know the answer to that one,so just put your brain in gear before you come out with stupid comments about some case you know nothing about.You really ought to change your user name,you are anything but reasonable.[/p][/quote]I was of the understanding the RFL put the distribution of sky monies to vote and it was the other clubs who made a grab. Maybe I'm misinformed. Thee Voice of Reason
  • Score: 7

2:04pm Thu 26 Jun 14

Sad bull says...

spanglishbull.uk wrote:
T.V.O.R,
I thought you was supposed to be a sensible man unlike the other poster Rhino who is an out and out idiot.It has absolutely nothing to do with the six points,as the spokesman says it is for the good of the game andevery team as a whole.It is quite obvious to anybody with a scrap of common sense that something quite untoward has happened re the R.L. I have been saying it for years now that the people in charge at Red Hall are not fit for purpose and could not be relied on to run a kids tea party.O.K. you do not like the Bulls,that is your choice,but if you are any sort of normal person you must agree that the people who run the game are transparent and honest about everything.I for one am glad that this decision has been taken and everything done and said by the R.L. is out in the open.Remember Mark Moore threatened to go to court over what was promised and then denied.He probably did not have the financial backing to proceed so maybe Marc Green has.Ask yourself why would he do that if he did not think he was right?Would you stand back and let them get away with it if you had the wherewithal to fight it?I know I would not.
I think it has gone beyond what Marc Green THINKS is right or wrong.

Barristers deal in evidence and facts, so to recommend legal action in the high court they must have plenty of both otherwise it wouldn't be happening.

If this is the case then everybody interested in the health of our great game should want to know the truth about what happened, particularly between Kahn, Moore and Red Hall.
[quote][p][bold]spanglishbull.uk[/bold] wrote: T.V.O.R, I thought you was supposed to be a sensible man unlike the other poster Rhino who is an out and out idiot.It has absolutely nothing to do with the six points,as the spokesman says it is for the good of the game andevery team as a whole.It is quite obvious to anybody with a scrap of common sense that something quite untoward has happened re the R.L. I have been saying it for years now that the people in charge at Red Hall are not fit for purpose and could not be relied on to run a kids tea party.O.K. you do not like the Bulls,that is your choice,but if you are any sort of normal person you must agree that the people who run the game are transparent and honest about everything.I for one am glad that this decision has been taken and everything done and said by the R.L. is out in the open.Remember Mark Moore threatened to go to court over what was promised and then denied.He probably did not have the financial backing to proceed so maybe Marc Green has.Ask yourself why would he do that if he did not think he was right?Would you stand back and let them get away with it if you had the wherewithal to fight it?I know I would not.[/p][/quote]I think it has gone beyond what Marc Green THINKS is right or wrong. Barristers deal in evidence and facts, so to recommend legal action in the high court they must have plenty of both otherwise it wouldn't be happening. If this is the case then everybody interested in the health of our great game should want to know the truth about what happened, particularly between Kahn, Moore and Red Hall. Sad bull
  • Score: 15

2:06pm Thu 26 Jun 14

Ship rock says...

spanglishbull.uk wrote:
Of course the Bulls think that getting the points back will help them,I personally do not,but as I have stated,this is obviously about what has been said and actually done by the R.L. As for standing back and taking the punishment if the Bulls are confident that they have been deliberately miss led by the R.L. then of course they should pursue it for the benefit of the game itself and every other club under the jurisdiction of the R.L.What is the alternative,let the R.l. ride roughshod over every club.They are supposed to be there to represent the clubs not dictate to them how to run the club.What would you prefer,honesty and transparency or secrecy and privacy a la Sepp Blatter.I know which I prefer whether they get the points back or not.Let the courts decide and let us see exactly what has gone on behind closed doors.As usual once again the Rhino cannot come out with any sensible argument just drivel from somebody who never even goes to the games.
I don't understand how this could be marked down, the idea that the rfl have misled clubs is not only in the bulls case but as dr koukash posted on his twitter account that the have misled other clubs, this does need to be addressed and where better than the courts!!
[quote][p][bold]spanglishbull.uk[/bold] wrote: Of course the Bulls think that getting the points back will help them,I personally do not,but as I have stated,this is obviously about what has been said and actually done by the R.L. As for standing back and taking the punishment if the Bulls are confident that they have been deliberately miss led by the R.L. then of course they should pursue it for the benefit of the game itself and every other club under the jurisdiction of the R.L.What is the alternative,let the R.l. ride roughshod over every club.They are supposed to be there to represent the clubs not dictate to them how to run the club.What would you prefer,honesty and transparency or secrecy and privacy a la Sepp Blatter.I know which I prefer whether they get the points back or not.Let the courts decide and let us see exactly what has gone on behind closed doors.As usual once again the Rhino cannot come out with any sensible argument just drivel from somebody who never even goes to the games.[/p][/quote]I don't understand how this could be marked down, the idea that the rfl have misled clubs is not only in the bulls case but as dr koukash posted on his twitter account that the have misled other clubs, this does need to be addressed and where better than the courts!! Ship rock
  • Score: 14

2:08pm Thu 26 Jun 14

blue marlin says...

Yes a few poster are right, we as bulls fans and the wider RL family in genral need to know the full facts but this smacks of Mr Green wanting his cake and eating it.
Who will foot the bill Marc Green or Bradford Bulls 2014 ltd?
Yes a few poster are right, we as bulls fans and the wider RL family in genral need to know the full facts but this smacks of Mr Green wanting his cake and eating it. Who will foot the bill Marc Green or Bradford Bulls 2014 ltd? blue marlin
  • Score: 12

2:28pm Thu 26 Jun 14

citygent7 says...

Size3_ wrote:
Where are they getting the money from to mount these legal battles? Seems like cutting your nose off to spite your face.
Why do bradford bulls think their so special when other clubs have had points deducted.
[quote][p][bold]Size3_[/bold] wrote: Where are they getting the money from to mount these legal battles? Seems like cutting your nose off to spite your face.[/p][/quote]Why do bradford bulls think their so special when other clubs have had points deducted. citygent7
  • Score: -15

2:32pm Thu 26 Jun 14

Bone_idle18 says...

Should read Mark Moores statement in full here http://www.yorkshire
post.co.uk/sport/rug
by-league/bradford-b
ulls/bulls-and-rfl-c
lash-over-troubled-b
radford-1-6461780

He's implying that failing by the RFL caused the initial, amicable, takeover to fail and force the club into administration.
Should read Mark Moores statement in full here http://www.yorkshire post.co.uk/sport/rug by-league/bradford-b ulls/bulls-and-rfl-c lash-over-troubled-b radford-1-6461780 He's implying that failing by the RFL caused the initial, amicable, takeover to fail and force the club into administration. Bone_idle18
  • Score: 9

2:37pm Thu 26 Jun 14

Ship rock says...

What I find quite disrespectful if fans of teams thinking their opinion is the only opinion, I love rugby league I watch as many games as I can, I am fascinated by players fighting the odds, teams with skill narrowly beating teams with more passion. I do not go onto rhinos forums or city's forums to **** about how they should be penalised for this or docked points for that or sinfield never been penalised for blatant dissent.

I love the bulls but I also love rugby league, if I thought for a second that it's an open and shut case like the last time we went into administration Id say roll over. But, the fact is that it isn't, hence why with solicitors advice (not trolls on forum sites) advice is that taken it to the high court is the best form of action, it may not benefit the club in the way that we want, but the chance it can benefit the SPORT, without the sport there will be no clubs.
What I find quite disrespectful if fans of teams thinking their opinion is the only opinion, I love rugby league I watch as many games as I can, I am fascinated by players fighting the odds, teams with skill narrowly beating teams with more passion. I do not go onto rhinos forums or city's forums to **** about how they should be penalised for this or docked points for that or sinfield never been penalised for blatant dissent. I love the bulls but I also love rugby league, if I thought for a second that it's an open and shut case like the last time we went into administration Id say roll over. But, the fact is that it isn't, hence why with solicitors advice (not trolls on forum sites) advice is that taken it to the high court is the best form of action, it may not benefit the club in the way that we want, but the chance it can benefit the SPORT, without the sport there will be no clubs. Ship rock
  • Score: 33

2:38pm Thu 26 Jun 14

Reality50 says...

A desperate act from a desperate club. I normally have no time for the RFL bot on this i am behind them. Bradford have been a crisis club for years and relegation is what they deserve for years of mismanagement and incompetence. Some of their fans think Bulls are still a big club-they were 15 years ago but they aren't now-and the game has moved on. Sooner Bulls and London are relegated,the better for the sport.
A desperate act from a desperate club. I normally have no time for the RFL bot on this i am behind them. Bradford have been a crisis club for years and relegation is what they deserve for years of mismanagement and incompetence. Some of their fans think Bulls are still a big club-they were 15 years ago but they aren't now-and the game has moved on. Sooner Bulls and London are relegated,the better for the sport. Reality50
  • Score: -22

2:40pm Thu 26 Jun 14

Thee Voice of Reason says...

Bone_idle18 wrote:
Should read Mark Moores statement in full here http://www.yorkshire post.co.uk/sport/rug by-league/bradford-b ulls/bulls-and-rfl-c lash-over-troubled-b radford-1-6461780 He's implying that failing by the RFL caused the initial, amicable, takeover to fail and force the club into administration.
There is me thinking Moore was shouting from the rooftop at the time that the club was saddled with debt and he wouldn't be paying Khan a penny. Or was that just a dream and now it's all the RFL's fault?

HMRC's winding up order forced the club into admin with Mr Green being the one to appoint administrators to protect his own interests.

Seems many are going back on what they said publicly in the past and rewriting it for their own cause.

Meanwhile Hood, Caisley and Khan who were the main cause of this slip off unseen and back into the shadows to carry on regardless.
[quote][p][bold]Bone_idle18[/bold] wrote: Should read Mark Moores statement in full here http://www.yorkshire post.co.uk/sport/rug by-league/bradford-b ulls/bulls-and-rfl-c lash-over-troubled-b radford-1-6461780 He's implying that failing by the RFL caused the initial, amicable, takeover to fail and force the club into administration.[/p][/quote]There is me thinking Moore was shouting from the rooftop at the time that the club was saddled with debt and he wouldn't be paying Khan a penny. Or was that just a dream and now it's all the RFL's fault? HMRC's winding up order forced the club into admin with Mr Green being the one to appoint administrators to protect his own interests. Seems many are going back on what they said publicly in the past and rewriting it for their own cause. Meanwhile Hood, Caisley and Khan who were the main cause of this slip off unseen and back into the shadows to carry on regardless. Thee Voice of Reason
  • Score: 1

2:49pm Thu 26 Jun 14

Pablo says...

When will we ever learn? There is nothing to be gained from continuing to fight the RFL on this. We're already down, regardless. We'll line the pockets of the Barristers and Solicitors, wasting cash that should be invested in the team. All our energies and resources should be expended in building for the future, not fighting irrelevant lost causes.

I despair.
When will we ever learn? There is nothing to be gained from continuing to fight the RFL on this. We're already down, regardless. We'll line the pockets of the Barristers and Solicitors, wasting cash that should be invested in the team. All our energies and resources should be expended in building for the future, not fighting irrelevant lost causes. I despair. Pablo
  • Score: 1

3:06pm Thu 26 Jun 14

bully4us says...

I also don’t believe this is just about 6 points. If we get them back we will still be relegated as I doubt we will win another game unless Jimmy gets a massive response from the team.

Green said he paid the tribunal fees. Please prove he isn’t doing the same again.

Those complaining please honestly state you wouldn’t love to hear the truth of what the RFL told us to do which made Mr Moore threaten them with legal action. At a tribunal the RFL can say what they want. A high court requires the truth and legal implications if it is found not to be.

This could be a total waste of time and money but what if it brings out into the open some unprofessional behaviour by the RFL. We don’t know the facts. I bet other chairmen who have had problems with the RFL might quietly be hoping the RFL get a bloody nose with this.

It is also not just about six points. The subsequent sanctions stopped us signing players and led to losing players. If we do win the case will Green not demand compensation for that as it destroyed our season more than losing six points. What compensation should that be as those sanctions stopped us from competing this year. If the judge says the RFL were wrong to behave the way they did and the deductions and sanctions were wrong which helped destroy any chance of avoiding relegation – what happens then?
That has massive implications and is probably what Green is touching on in his statement – not just the six points!

Before I get accused of being a blind misguided fan I am not. I do think we should go down as we have been managed by total losers and fools for many years. I have consistently said that. We deserve to let a better run club have our place and we should build again and bounce back stronger and should never use administration again to not pay all of those small businesses who supplied us goods which is disgraceful for any business to do. Lots of hard working people lost money because of our miss- management.

So, I am already looking forward to the championship and visiting clubs I haven’t been to for years but I would also love to see Green spend his own money and get EVERYTHING out into the open to give the RFL bloody nose and possibly show people we were following their instructions.
How many people have said they wanted everything out in the open. I suspect the only ones who don’t are the RFL.

Good luck Mr Green. A chairman in the same mould as Jimmy for once and probably the money behind him to back up his words - but I still expect championship rugby - and hopefully a few resignations at the RFL.
I also don’t believe this is just about 6 points. If we get them back we will still be relegated as I doubt we will win another game unless Jimmy gets a massive response from the team. Green said he paid the tribunal fees. Please prove he isn’t doing the same again. Those complaining please honestly state you wouldn’t love to hear the truth of what the RFL told us to do which made Mr Moore threaten them with legal action. At a tribunal the RFL can say what they want. A high court requires the truth and legal implications if it is found not to be. This could be a total waste of time and money but what if it brings out into the open some unprofessional behaviour by the RFL. We don’t know the facts. I bet other chairmen who have had problems with the RFL might quietly be hoping the RFL get a bloody nose with this. It is also not just about six points. The subsequent sanctions stopped us signing players and led to losing players. If we do win the case will Green not demand compensation for that as it destroyed our season more than losing six points. What compensation should that be as those sanctions stopped us from competing this year. If the judge says the RFL were wrong to behave the way they did and the deductions and sanctions were wrong which helped destroy any chance of avoiding relegation – what happens then? That has massive implications and is probably what Green is touching on in his statement – not just the six points! Before I get accused of being a blind misguided fan I am not. I do think we should go down as we have been managed by total losers and fools for many years. I have consistently said that. We deserve to let a better run club have our place and we should build again and bounce back stronger and should never use administration again to not pay all of those small businesses who supplied us goods which is disgraceful for any business to do. Lots of hard working people lost money because of our miss- management. So, I am already looking forward to the championship and visiting clubs I haven’t been to for years but I would also love to see Green spend his own money and get EVERYTHING out into the open to give the RFL bloody nose and possibly show people we were following their instructions. How many people have said they wanted everything out in the open. I suspect the only ones who don’t are the RFL. Good luck Mr Green. A chairman in the same mould as Jimmy for once and probably the money behind him to back up his words - but I still expect championship rugby - and hopefully a few resignations at the RFL. bully4us
  • Score: 39

3:14pm Thu 26 Jun 14

m.r.c says...

Being successful in the high court and getting the 6 points back is only the starter. What effect did the 6 point penalty have on the business (i.e. sponsorship, player recruitment, gate receipts etc....) ? this leads to further legal action. I suspect there may be a solution before it gets to court.
Being successful in the high court and getting the 6 points back is only the starter. What effect did the 6 point penalty have on the business (i.e. sponsorship, player recruitment, gate receipts etc....) ? this leads to further legal action. I suspect there may be a solution before it gets to court. m.r.c
  • Score: 7

3:18pm Thu 26 Jun 14

Bullinlancs79 says...

He's protecting his investment primarily and secondary trying to keep us alive in super league.

Wouldn't you lot do the same thing in his position??

It's his club, it's not a PLC so it's up to him what he does. Until such a time when we have his money, may I suggest all the knockers shut up and let him get on with it or why don't you lot but the club off him???........Though
t so

I'm no fan of anybody who has ran our club but neither am I going to knock somebody for trying
He's protecting his investment primarily and secondary trying to keep us alive in super league. Wouldn't you lot do the same thing in his position?? It's his club, it's not a PLC so it's up to him what he does. Until such a time when we have his money, may I suggest all the knockers shut up and let him get on with it or why don't you lot but the club off him???........Though t so I'm no fan of anybody who has ran our club but neither am I going to knock somebody for trying Bullinlancs79
  • Score: 15

3:25pm Thu 26 Jun 14

Mumby was the best says...

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
Size3_ wrote:
Where are they getting the money from to mount these legal battles? Seems like cutting your nose off to spite your face.
They can always go back into admin to clear the debts again.
Agree with every word, would love the RL put under the microscope if only for the good of the game as a whole. The game is Lions led by Donkeys as were the Bulls these last 8 years.
[quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Size3_[/bold] wrote: Where are they getting the money from to mount these legal battles? Seems like cutting your nose off to spite your face.[/p][/quote]They can always go back into admin to clear the debts again.[/p][/quote]Agree with every word, would love the RL put under the microscope if only for the good of the game as a whole. The game is Lions led by Donkeys as were the Bulls these last 8 years. Mumby was the best
  • Score: 1

3:45pm Thu 26 Jun 14

Bullinlancs79 says...

A bunch of local, stellar hardmen being organised by the milkman with the RFL being the latter. Corrupt best describes them.

Go and get them Moores..... Good luck to u. Thankfully u haven't rolled over and given up
A bunch of local, stellar hardmen being organised by the milkman with the RFL being the latter. Corrupt best describes them. Go and get them Moores..... Good luck to u. Thankfully u haven't rolled over and given up Bullinlancs79
  • Score: -1

3:49pm Thu 26 Jun 14

BirchLane-1964 says...

bully4us wrote:
I also don’t believe this is just about 6 points. If we get them back we will still be relegated as I doubt we will win another game unless Jimmy gets a massive response from the team.

Green said he paid the tribunal fees. Please prove he isn’t doing the same again.

Those complaining please honestly state you wouldn’t love to hear the truth of what the RFL told us to do which made Mr Moore threaten them with legal action. At a tribunal the RFL can say what they want. A high court requires the truth and legal implications if it is found not to be.

This could be a total waste of time and money but what if it brings out into the open some unprofessional behaviour by the RFL. We don’t know the facts. I bet other chairmen who have had problems with the RFL might quietly be hoping the RFL get a bloody nose with this.

It is also not just about six points. The subsequent sanctions stopped us signing players and led to losing players. If we do win the case will Green not demand compensation for that as it destroyed our season more than losing six points. What compensation should that be as those sanctions stopped us from competing this year. If the judge says the RFL were wrong to behave the way they did and the deductions and sanctions were wrong which helped destroy any chance of avoiding relegation – what happens then?
That has massive implications and is probably what Green is touching on in his statement – not just the six points!

Before I get accused of being a blind misguided fan I am not. I do think we should go down as we have been managed by total losers and fools for many years. I have consistently said that. We deserve to let a better run club have our place and we should build again and bounce back stronger and should never use administration again to not pay all of those small businesses who supplied us goods which is disgraceful for any business to do. Lots of hard working people lost money because of our miss- management.

So, I am already looking forward to the championship and visiting clubs I haven’t been to for years but I would also love to see Green spend his own money and get EVERYTHING out into the open to give the RFL bloody nose and possibly show people we were following their instructions.
How many people have said they wanted everything out in the open. I suspect the only ones who don’t are the RFL.

Good luck Mr Green. A chairman in the same mould as Jimmy for once and probably the money behind him to back up his words - but I still expect championship rugby - and hopefully a few resignations at the RFL.
Agree totally. How do we know the RFL don't have their own Peter Hood running the game and making a complete hash of it for every club?!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]bully4us[/bold] wrote: I also don’t believe this is just about 6 points. If we get them back we will still be relegated as I doubt we will win another game unless Jimmy gets a massive response from the team. Green said he paid the tribunal fees. Please prove he isn’t doing the same again. Those complaining please honestly state you wouldn’t love to hear the truth of what the RFL told us to do which made Mr Moore threaten them with legal action. At a tribunal the RFL can say what they want. A high court requires the truth and legal implications if it is found not to be. This could be a total waste of time and money but what if it brings out into the open some unprofessional behaviour by the RFL. We don’t know the facts. I bet other chairmen who have had problems with the RFL might quietly be hoping the RFL get a bloody nose with this. It is also not just about six points. The subsequent sanctions stopped us signing players and led to losing players. If we do win the case will Green not demand compensation for that as it destroyed our season more than losing six points. What compensation should that be as those sanctions stopped us from competing this year. If the judge says the RFL were wrong to behave the way they did and the deductions and sanctions were wrong which helped destroy any chance of avoiding relegation – what happens then? That has massive implications and is probably what Green is touching on in his statement – not just the six points! Before I get accused of being a blind misguided fan I am not. I do think we should go down as we have been managed by total losers and fools for many years. I have consistently said that. We deserve to let a better run club have our place and we should build again and bounce back stronger and should never use administration again to not pay all of those small businesses who supplied us goods which is disgraceful for any business to do. Lots of hard working people lost money because of our miss- management. So, I am already looking forward to the championship and visiting clubs I haven’t been to for years but I would also love to see Green spend his own money and get EVERYTHING out into the open to give the RFL bloody nose and possibly show people we were following their instructions. How many people have said they wanted everything out in the open. I suspect the only ones who don’t are the RFL. Good luck Mr Green. A chairman in the same mould as Jimmy for once and probably the money behind him to back up his words - but I still expect championship rugby - and hopefully a few resignations at the RFL.[/p][/quote]Agree totally. How do we know the RFL don't have their own Peter Hood running the game and making a complete hash of it for every club?!!!!! BirchLane-1964
  • Score: 8

3:50pm Thu 26 Jun 14

mines a pint says...

Scrouge wrote:
Tell_Titus wrote:
Who advised him, Caisley?

Let sleeping dogs lie. Use the money to grow the club and line the pockets of lawyers
Yet another Idiot in the Caisley,Hood,Khan, Moore mould.
What is it with Bulls that it attracts Big Time Charlie's. More waste of money, the Lawyers will be rubbing there hands. Are Bulls paying the bill? And using Sky money given by the RFL? Bet Green is not putting any brass in. As Green is an admirer of Ken Bates I suppose we should have expected this appeal. No more favours from Red Hall.
Like all the other numpty poster you choose to read only what supports your argument

As with the appeal to the sanctions panel Marc Green is funding the high court appeal privately

The club itself paid nothing towards the cost of the initial appeal & will pay nothing for the high court appeal
[quote][p][bold]Scrouge[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tell_Titus[/bold] wrote: Who advised him, Caisley? Let sleeping dogs lie. Use the money to grow the club and line the pockets of lawyers[/p][/quote]Yet another Idiot in the Caisley,Hood,Khan, Moore mould. What is it with Bulls that it attracts Big Time Charlie's. More waste of money, the Lawyers will be rubbing there hands. Are Bulls paying the bill? And using Sky money given by the RFL? Bet Green is not putting any brass in. As Green is an admirer of Ken Bates I suppose we should have expected this appeal. No more favours from Red Hall.[/p][/quote]Like all the other numpty poster you choose to read only what supports your argument As with the appeal to the sanctions panel Marc Green is funding the high court appeal privately The club itself paid nothing towards the cost of the initial appeal & will pay nothing for the high court appeal mines a pint
  • Score: 6

3:50pm Thu 26 Jun 14

portugalbull says...

The only way we are going to learn the truth is for Mr Green to take this to court. It won't make any difference to the relegation and I think he should say its the principle that's important not the points. If we had won the last two games and Wakefield not beaten Wigan then I think the decision would have been harder as then it could have made a difference.
The RFL have made a mess from the time of the last round of licensing with their total amateurish running of our great game and its about time someone sorted them out. Even DrK says dealing with them is less than professional.

Mr Green has employed the coach most of the fans voted for but needs to show those same fans the backing he will give given that relegation is almost certain. After a few matches Jimmy will have an idea which of the players he would want to keep and the Mr Ferres could start to agree championship contracts with relevant announcements. He could also look for replacement for those leaving so other clubs don't get too much of a start on preperations for next season.
Onward and upward. CoyB's
The only way we are going to learn the truth is for Mr Green to take this to court. It won't make any difference to the relegation and I think he should say its the principle that's important not the points. If we had won the last two games and Wakefield not beaten Wigan then I think the decision would have been harder as then it could have made a difference. The RFL have made a mess from the time of the last round of licensing with their total amateurish running of our great game and its about time someone sorted them out. Even DrK says dealing with them is less than professional. Mr Green has employed the coach most of the fans voted for but needs to show those same fans the backing he will give given that relegation is almost certain. After a few matches Jimmy will have an idea which of the players he would want to keep and the Mr Ferres could start to agree championship contracts with relevant announcements. He could also look for replacement for those leaving so other clubs don't get too much of a start on preperations for next season. Onward and upward. CoyB's portugalbull
  • Score: 11

4:05pm Thu 26 Jun 14

spanglishbull.uk says...

Good job T.V.O.R was not fighting in the trenches for us.We would be living in Germany now.Personally I could not give a fig what T.V.O.R thinks,he knows nothing about this case the same as the rest of us.
Good job T.V.O.R was not fighting in the trenches for us.We would be living in Germany now.Personally I could not give a fig what T.V.O.R thinks,he knows nothing about this case the same as the rest of us. spanglishbull.uk
  • Score: 9

4:13pm Thu 26 Jun 14

Out of site says...

spanglishbull.uk wrote:
Good job T.V.O.R was not fighting in the trenches for us.We would be living in Germany now.Personally I could not give a fig what T.V.O.R thinks,he knows nothing about this case the same as the rest of us.
You know nothing period.tax dodger.
[quote][p][bold]spanglishbull.uk[/bold] wrote: Good job T.V.O.R was not fighting in the trenches for us.We would be living in Germany now.Personally I could not give a fig what T.V.O.R thinks,he knows nothing about this case the same as the rest of us.[/p][/quote]You know nothing period.tax dodger. Out of site
  • Score: -9

4:40pm Thu 26 Jun 14

spanglishbull.uk says...

Unfortunately my pension is not enough to have to pay tax on.Wish it was,but then my tax would probably be subsidising you so ,no,I am glad I do not pay any more tax.
Unfortunately my pension is not enough to have to pay tax on.Wish it was,but then my tax would probably be subsidising you so ,no,I am glad I do not pay any more tax. spanglishbull.uk
  • Score: 1

4:58pm Thu 26 Jun 14

Thee Voice of Reason says...

spanglishbull.uk wrote:
Good job T.V.O.R was not fighting in the trenches for us.We would be living in Germany now.Personally I could not give a fig what T.V.O.R thinks,he knows nothing about this case the same as the rest of us.
Your lack of knowledge doesn't mean others don't know. I'm just pointing out facts from the public domain. If Moore is now saying something different to what he said a few months ago, I will pick him up on it, others will simply ignore it with amber, red and black blinkers on.

Another thing is you didn't come back to tell me I was wrong regarding the distribution of sky monies, does that mean I was right?
[quote][p][bold]spanglishbull.uk[/bold] wrote: Good job T.V.O.R was not fighting in the trenches for us.We would be living in Germany now.Personally I could not give a fig what T.V.O.R thinks,he knows nothing about this case the same as the rest of us.[/p][/quote]Your lack of knowledge doesn't mean others don't know. I'm just pointing out facts from the public domain. If Moore is now saying something different to what he said a few months ago, I will pick him up on it, others will simply ignore it with amber, red and black blinkers on. Another thing is you didn't come back to tell me I was wrong regarding the distribution of sky monies, does that mean I was right? Thee Voice of Reason
  • Score: -5

5:02pm Thu 26 Jun 14

solidarity75 says...

Bully4us comments are on the ball. I too understood that Mr. Green paid the costs of the tribunal and perhaps he will also pay the cost of the court case. The more important issue is that of principle. If Mr. Green feels, in the light of legal advice, that an injustice has been done, then he not only has the right to go to court but, if he can afford it, a duty to do so. We need the facts of this case to be brought into the open and the RFL must be made accountable to public opinion in the game. This is not primarily a question of getting points back - indeed it is better that relegation now looks certain so whether we receive the points or not will not impact on other clubs. This will make it more convincing to say that this action is for the good of the game and a blow for transparency. I cannot disagree with those who say that we have been badly run for years, but Mr. Green is not tarred with that brush. If he is paying the bills himself good luck to him and to us Bulls' fans who feel that, whatever the truth, we need to know it. The RFL have a reputation in the game for a lack of transparency and give the impression of incompetence, viz the latest complication in the promotion and relegation process. Simplify, not complicate, should be the slogan.
Bully4us comments are on the ball. I too understood that Mr. Green paid the costs of the tribunal and perhaps he will also pay the cost of the court case. The more important issue is that of principle. If Mr. Green feels, in the light of legal advice, that an injustice has been done, then he not only has the right to go to court but, if he can afford it, a duty to do so. We need the facts of this case to be brought into the open and the RFL must be made accountable to public opinion in the game. This is not primarily a question of getting points back - indeed it is better that relegation now looks certain so whether we receive the points or not will not impact on other clubs. This will make it more convincing to say that this action is for the good of the game and a blow for transparency. I cannot disagree with those who say that we have been badly run for years, but Mr. Green is not tarred with that brush. If he is paying the bills himself good luck to him and to us Bulls' fans who feel that, whatever the truth, we need to know it. The RFL have a reputation in the game for a lack of transparency and give the impression of incompetence, viz the latest complication in the promotion and relegation process. Simplify, not complicate, should be the slogan. solidarity75
  • Score: 6

5:18pm Thu 26 Jun 14

Pablo says...

Ahh, got it! It's the RFL's fault we keep going into Administration.

It's also their fault we can't pass, tackle and keep shipping 40+ points a game.

Finally, who put the club into Administration the last time?

If Green's got the cash to fund expensive legal action, why hasn't he invested it in some decent players?
Ahh, got it! It's the RFL's fault we keep going into Administration. It's also their fault we can't pass, tackle and keep shipping 40+ points a game. Finally, who put the club into Administration the last time? If Green's got the cash to fund expensive legal action, why hasn't he invested it in some decent players? Pablo
  • Score: -3

5:21pm Thu 26 Jun 14

Sense99 says...

We all know nothing about what really happened. But, even after going to court, the truth will not come out, and we will not be enlightened of the discussions between the club, previous owners, Green, the RFL.

On one hand I admire Green’s tenacity, as he must believe he has a case, or his legal advisors have convinced him of such. or cynically they just want to make more money - which is what they are best at. But I think he really ought to know when to stop, and continuing to persue this just smacks of desperation - although 6 point will not keep us in SL. I just can’t help thinking that if he had used the money he has spent on lawyers on players, buying them out of contracts, paying stay up bonuses, a better coach, etc, we might have had a better chance of staying in SL.

Ultimately all the “who said or implied this or that” will be irrelevant. I believe all the clubs have always known and have accepted that a club gets 4 points deducted for going into admin, and 2 points deducted, plus possible special measures for not making best endeavours to pay creditors back, and or continued mis-management. Other clubs have been deducted 4 points, etc before, so a precedent has been set, which is what English Law is based on, so I see no way we can win any appeal. Also, if clubs can challenge RFL rulings and precedents then the game could be thrown into chaos – what happens when someone with lots of money and a point to prove, Mr Koukash, decides to take on the RFL?

As a lifelong Bulls fan, yes of course we should be deducted 6 points, our club has been mis-managed and run by fools for years. We have basically got what we deserved. Yes the RFL are awful at running the game, including the length of time and lack of transparency in handling this whole affair. But we, the Bulls, have brought this upon ourselves (admin twice), and the game into disrepute, never mind the RFL, so we should just take our punishment, and stop making our club and the game of RL a laughing stock.
We all know nothing about what really happened. But, even after going to court, the truth will not come out, and we will not be enlightened of the discussions between the club, previous owners, Green, the RFL. On one hand I admire Green’s tenacity, as he must believe he has a case, or his legal advisors have convinced him of such. or cynically they just want to make more money - which is what they are best at. But I think he really ought to know when to stop, and continuing to persue this just smacks of desperation - although 6 point will not keep us in SL. I just can’t help thinking that if he had used the money he has spent on lawyers on players, buying them out of contracts, paying stay up bonuses, a better coach, etc, we might have had a better chance of staying in SL. Ultimately all the “who said or implied this or that” will be irrelevant. I believe all the clubs have always known and have accepted that a club gets 4 points deducted for going into admin, and 2 points deducted, plus possible special measures for not making best endeavours to pay creditors back, and or continued mis-management. Other clubs have been deducted 4 points, etc before, so a precedent has been set, which is what English Law is based on, so I see no way we can win any appeal. Also, if clubs can challenge RFL rulings and precedents then the game could be thrown into chaos – what happens when someone with lots of money and a point to prove, Mr Koukash, decides to take on the RFL? As a lifelong Bulls fan, yes of course we should be deducted 6 points, our club has been mis-managed and run by fools for years. We have basically got what we deserved. Yes the RFL are awful at running the game, including the length of time and lack of transparency in handling this whole affair. But we, the Bulls, have brought this upon ourselves (admin twice), and the game into disrepute, never mind the RFL, so we should just take our punishment, and stop making our club and the game of RL a laughing stock. Sense99
  • Score: -5

5:57pm Thu 26 Jun 14

1964gc says...

Pablo wrote:
Ahh, got it! It's the RFL's fault we keep going into Administration.

It's also their fault we can't pass, tackle and keep shipping 40+ points a game.

Finally, who put the club into Administration the last time?

If Green's got the cash to fund expensive legal action, why hasn't he invested it in some decent players?
As with most successful business men, they tend to make more good decisions than bad ,

He is no numpty trust me,

Watch this space
[quote][p][bold]Pablo[/bold] wrote: Ahh, got it! It's the RFL's fault we keep going into Administration. It's also their fault we can't pass, tackle and keep shipping 40+ points a game. Finally, who put the club into Administration the last time? If Green's got the cash to fund expensive legal action, why hasn't he invested it in some decent players?[/p][/quote]As with most successful business men, they tend to make more good decisions than bad , He is no numpty trust me, Watch this space 1964gc
  • Score: 3

5:57pm Thu 26 Jun 14

spanglishbull.uk says...

T.v.O.R,
Regarding the Sky monies I said I did not know if the R.L had agreed to use the monies to pay the creditors then reneged on the deal.I also said,neither do you.You guessed that the other clubs decided to share the money between themselves,again you are only surmising this might have happened.So,no, you are not right,you are the same as me,unless you was in that room when the talks were taking place of course.
T.v.O.R, Regarding the Sky monies I said I did not know if the R.L had agreed to use the monies to pay the creditors then reneged on the deal.I also said,neither do you.You guessed that the other clubs decided to share the money between themselves,again you are only surmising this might have happened.So,no, you are not right,you are the same as me,unless you was in that room when the talks were taking place of course. spanglishbull.uk
  • Score: 3

6:09pm Thu 26 Jun 14

Thee Voice of Reason says...

spanglishbull.uk wrote:
T.v.O.R,
Regarding the Sky monies I said I did not know if the R.L had agreed to use the monies to pay the creditors then reneged on the deal.I also said,neither do you.You guessed that the other clubs decided to share the money between themselves,again you are only surmising this might have happened.So,no, you are not right,you are the same as me,unless you was in that room when the talks were taking place of course.
I didn't guess. It's public knowledge that the clubs voted on dividing it up between themselves. Just because you didn't know that doesn't mean it was a guess by me.
[quote][p][bold]spanglishbull.uk[/bold] wrote: T.v.O.R, Regarding the Sky monies I said I did not know if the R.L had agreed to use the monies to pay the creditors then reneged on the deal.I also said,neither do you.You guessed that the other clubs decided to share the money between themselves,again you are only surmising this might have happened.So,no, you are not right,you are the same as me,unless you was in that room when the talks were taking place of course.[/p][/quote]I didn't guess. It's public knowledge that the clubs voted on dividing it up between themselves. Just because you didn't know that doesn't mean it was a guess by me. Thee Voice of Reason
  • Score: -3

6:34pm Thu 26 Jun 14

tinytoonster says...

green agreed to buy the bulls from khan then refused to pay him.
hardly a trustworthy guy then!
it all stinks to be honest!
green agreed to buy the bulls from khan then refused to pay him. hardly a trustworthy guy then! it all stinks to be honest! tinytoonster
  • Score: -3

6:53pm Thu 26 Jun 14

nosher says...

A lot of hot air on here for something that I believe is a waste of time and money

.
A lot of hot air on here for something that I believe is a waste of time and money . nosher
  • Score: -2

7:14pm Thu 26 Jun 14

bully4us says...

Tiny, wasn't it Moore who agreed to buy the club and then didn't when he found out the truth about our finances which hadn't been fully declared?

Green Lent us £200k to pay the wages and then HAD to put us into admin as the tax office was about to close us down. If he hadn't done that we were finished within weeks.

People are starting to mix up Green with Moore and co.
Tiny, wasn't it Moore who agreed to buy the club and then didn't when he found out the truth about our finances which hadn't been fully declared? Green Lent us £200k to pay the wages and then HAD to put us into admin as the tax office was about to close us down. If he hadn't done that we were finished within weeks. People are starting to mix up Green with Moore and co. bully4us
  • Score: 5

7:21pm Thu 26 Jun 14

raisemeup says...

tinytoonster wrote:
green agreed to buy the bulls from khan then refused to pay him.
hardly a trustworthy guy then!
it all stinks to be honest!
Green did not offer to buy the Bulls from Khan...it was Moore and Whitcut...stop being a supercilious ****! With apologies to the ****.
[quote][p][bold]tinytoonster[/bold] wrote: green agreed to buy the bulls from khan then refused to pay him. hardly a trustworthy guy then! it all stinks to be honest![/p][/quote]Green did not offer to buy the Bulls from Khan...it was Moore and Whitcut...stop being a supercilious ****! With apologies to the ****. raisemeup
  • Score: 3

7:26pm Thu 26 Jun 14

raisemeup says...

raisemeup wrote:
tinytoonster wrote:
green agreed to buy the bulls from khan then refused to pay him.
hardly a trustworthy guy then!
it all stinks to be honest!
Green did not offer to buy the Bulls from Khan...it was Moore and Whitcut...stop being a supercilious ****! With apologies to the ****.
To T&A since when did a cross between a Donkey and a Horse become a swear word.. perhaps Mule should be a better description.
[quote][p][bold]raisemeup[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tinytoonster[/bold] wrote: green agreed to buy the bulls from khan then refused to pay him. hardly a trustworthy guy then! it all stinks to be honest![/p][/quote]Green did not offer to buy the Bulls from Khan...it was Moore and Whitcut...stop being a supercilious ****! With apologies to the ****.[/p][/quote]To T&A since when did a cross between a Donkey and a Horse become a swear word.. perhaps Mule should be a better description. raisemeup
  • Score: -2

7:44pm Thu 26 Jun 14

raisemeup says...

It's nice to see the termites of the site are out in force again, another opportunity to castigate someone else at the Bulls! Mostly they show themselves up for their bigotry, and nothing else...Rhino with his slight racist or now anti semitic comment . Shame on him? TVOR with his snide comments, and of course the site wouldn't be complete without a pearl of wisdom from that Mensa reject Tiny Toonster.
I say in spite of all the drivel from the usual...If Marc Green, his solicitors and a Barrister (who has obviously been given a brief) are confident that the RFL have behaved in a way that has caused more grief to our long suffering fans. Then it must be a good case for the Bulls.
Hopefully we as a game can profit from this in the longer term, the RFL aren't at fault it's maybe personalities that are???
It's nice to see the termites of the site are out in force again, another opportunity to castigate someone else at the Bulls! Mostly they show themselves up for their bigotry, and nothing else...Rhino with his slight racist or now anti semitic comment . Shame on him? TVOR with his snide comments, and of course the site wouldn't be complete without a pearl of wisdom from that Mensa reject Tiny Toonster. I say in spite of all the drivel from the usual...If Marc Green, his solicitors and a Barrister (who has obviously been given a brief) are confident that the RFL have behaved in a way that has caused more grief to our long suffering fans. Then it must be a good case for the Bulls. Hopefully we as a game can profit from this in the longer term, the RFL aren't at fault it's maybe personalities that are??? raisemeup
  • Score: 2

7:49pm Thu 26 Jun 14

blue marlin says...

How about this for a theory
Does not go to high court bulls get back 2 points and us lot on here keep wishing that some undercover RL hack had investigated the sorry tale from start to finish, may be a Hollywood blockbuster and best selling book?
How about this for a theory Does not go to high court bulls get back 2 points and us lot on here keep wishing that some undercover RL hack had investigated the sorry tale from start to finish, may be a Hollywood blockbuster and best selling book? blue marlin
  • Score: 5

7:52pm Thu 26 Jun 14

axelf1963 says...

What a waste of money
what a waste of money

Sing along
What a waste of money what a waste of money Sing along axelf1963
  • Score: -8

8:44pm Thu 26 Jun 14

robatoz says...

axelf1963 wrote:
What a waste of money
what a waste of money

Sing along
not your money pal,shut your trap
[quote][p][bold]axelf1963[/bold] wrote: What a waste of money what a waste of money Sing along[/p][/quote]not your money pal,shut your trap robatoz
  • Score: 1

10:19pm Thu 26 Jun 14

BierleyBoy says...

Hard to see why Green thinks he is acting for the good of the game. Interesting that he can't say on what the action is based on.

In terms of the Bulls gaining enough points to stay up, he's deluded. Ten points behind Wakefield & 9 behind Salford with 10 to play.

The Bulls only have 2 fixtures against sides currently outside the top 8 & it's very unlikely they will pick up anything in the next 4 fixtures against Warrington, Cats, Saints & Hudds.

Salford have Kevin Locke here after this weekend and even though they have a tough run in should pick up enough points to pull well clear.

Wakefield simply have too much to be in any danger. There's no way the Bulls will win 3 games more than them, rendering the 6 points a waste of time.

If green wants to throw money at this, it proves the old adage that a fool and his money are easily parted. It also shows him to be a bare faced liar. he openly said on television and in the press that he would abide by any decision of the appeals panel.

He's badly wrong if he thinks the fans are going to back the Bulls over this and come flooding back
Hard to see why Green thinks he is acting for the good of the game. Interesting that he can't say on what the action is based on. In terms of the Bulls gaining enough points to stay up, he's deluded. Ten points behind Wakefield & 9 behind Salford with 10 to play. The Bulls only have 2 fixtures against sides currently outside the top 8 & it's very unlikely they will pick up anything in the next 4 fixtures against Warrington, Cats, Saints & Hudds. Salford have Kevin Locke here after this weekend and even though they have a tough run in should pick up enough points to pull well clear. Wakefield simply have too much to be in any danger. There's no way the Bulls will win 3 games more than them, rendering the 6 points a waste of time. If green wants to throw money at this, it proves the old adage that a fool and his money are easily parted. It also shows him to be a bare faced liar. he openly said on television and in the press that he would abide by any decision of the appeals panel. He's badly wrong if he thinks the fans are going to back the Bulls over this and come flooding back BierleyBoy
  • Score: 3

11:29pm Thu 26 Jun 14

bradfordbronco says...

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
The RFL passed judgement.
An independant appeal was heard who upheld the judgement.
The club has twice dumped companies that ran the Bulls with substantial creditors and started with a clean slate.
Rules have been broken, act with dignity and let it lie.

Broncos are already planning for next season and although they haven't won a game this year, foundations are being laid to make a challenge for next year.

Fev, Halifax, Leigh are all looking to grab their chance to get promoted and are looking forwards not backwards.

Only Bradford are currently looking backwards and not forwards so when promotion and relegation is set to be decided next year, the Bulls could be caught napping.

There is every chance of promotion next year but the who club needs to be looking forward to next year and not backwards.
You really do love the RFL don't you. Why are you so concerned with what they might be hiding. The Appeal wasn't properly heard last time as at the last moment somebody decided the Bulls didn't meet the criteria for having the appeal heard after all. had they had word that the panel decided they should get the 6 points back so didn't the appeal to rule on it?

It wont help us stay up, but if we're going down lets take the RFL down with us.

Go for it Mr Green, Its the only way we'll get to find out what's really been going on

TVOR you get so "twitchy" whenever the RFL are criticised or about to be exposed. WHY?

I don;t care if we get 6 points back or not, we'll still be relegated, but lets have the truth out in the open
[quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: The RFL passed judgement. An independant appeal was heard who upheld the judgement. The club has twice dumped companies that ran the Bulls with substantial creditors and started with a clean slate. Rules have been broken, act with dignity and let it lie. Broncos are already planning for next season and although they haven't won a game this year, foundations are being laid to make a challenge for next year. Fev, Halifax, Leigh are all looking to grab their chance to get promoted and are looking forwards not backwards. Only Bradford are currently looking backwards and not forwards so when promotion and relegation is set to be decided next year, the Bulls could be caught napping. There is every chance of promotion next year but the who club needs to be looking forward to next year and not backwards.[/p][/quote]You really do love the RFL don't you. Why are you so concerned with what they might be hiding. The Appeal wasn't properly heard last time as at the last moment somebody decided the Bulls didn't meet the criteria for having the appeal heard after all. had they had word that the panel decided they should get the 6 points back so didn't the appeal to rule on it? It wont help us stay up, but if we're going down lets take the RFL down with us. Go for it Mr Green, Its the only way we'll get to find out what's really been going on TVOR you get so "twitchy" whenever the RFL are criticised or about to be exposed. WHY? I don;t care if we get 6 points back or not, we'll still be relegated, but lets have the truth out in the open bradfordbronco
  • Score: 2

11:40pm Thu 26 Jun 14

Bradfordbull72 says...

Good on you Marc Green , fight them all the way. At least in court the truth will come out and if we do go down we ll take those clowns from red hall with us.
Good on you Marc Green , fight them all the way. At least in court the truth will come out and if we do go down we ll take those clowns from red hall with us. Bradfordbull72
  • Score: 4

11:46pm Thu 26 Jun 14

raisemeup says...

BierleyBoy wrote:
Hard to see why Green thinks he is acting for the good of the game. Interesting that he can't say on what the action is based on.

In terms of the Bulls gaining enough points to stay up, he's deluded. Ten points behind Wakefield & 9 behind Salford with 10 to play.

The Bulls only have 2 fixtures against sides currently outside the top 8 & it's very unlikely they will pick up anything in the next 4 fixtures against Warrington, Cats, Saints & Hudds.

Salford have Kevin Locke here after this weekend and even though they have a tough run in should pick up enough points to pull well clear.

Wakefield simply have too much to be in any danger. There's no way the Bulls will win 3 games more than them, rendering the 6 points a waste of time.

If green wants to throw money at this, it proves the old adage that a fool and his money are easily parted. It also shows him to be a bare faced liar. he openly said on television and in the press that he would abide by any decision of the appeals panel.

He's badly wrong if he thinks the fans are going to back the Bulls over this and come flooding back
You see what I mean..someone who distorts facts to feed his own particular brand of bitterness> That's you BB.

Read reports and digest the content before making comments.
You cannot call someone a liar, like you are always doing!
Firstly do you think we are all stupid or what? We all know it's a mammoth task to beat these teams, and even if we did get points back, it would not guarantee us to stay up.
But if the RFL and the sporting panel are found seriously wanting in their judgement , the ruling of a legal court would raise enough doubts in the handling of the whole sport, by those who should always be fair and beyond reproach.
Incidently didn't you realise before you called a person a bare faced liar, that the appeal was not even adjudicated on, because the panel said that the criteria hadn't been reached . The assumption is that if a fair and proper hearing had have taken place then Marc Green would have capitulated as he said!

Personally I despise injustice, and those that pedal it ?
[quote][p][bold]BierleyBoy[/bold] wrote: Hard to see why Green thinks he is acting for the good of the game. Interesting that he can't say on what the action is based on. In terms of the Bulls gaining enough points to stay up, he's deluded. Ten points behind Wakefield & 9 behind Salford with 10 to play. The Bulls only have 2 fixtures against sides currently outside the top 8 & it's very unlikely they will pick up anything in the next 4 fixtures against Warrington, Cats, Saints & Hudds. Salford have Kevin Locke here after this weekend and even though they have a tough run in should pick up enough points to pull well clear. Wakefield simply have too much to be in any danger. There's no way the Bulls will win 3 games more than them, rendering the 6 points a waste of time. If green wants to throw money at this, it proves the old adage that a fool and his money are easily parted. It also shows him to be a bare faced liar. he openly said on television and in the press that he would abide by any decision of the appeals panel. He's badly wrong if he thinks the fans are going to back the Bulls over this and come flooding back[/p][/quote]You see what I mean..someone who distorts facts to feed his own particular brand of bitterness> That's you BB. Read reports and digest the content before making comments. You cannot call someone a liar, like you are always doing! Firstly do you think we are all stupid or what? We all know it's a mammoth task to beat these teams, and even if we did get points back, it would not guarantee us to stay up. But if the RFL and the sporting panel are found seriously wanting in their judgement , the ruling of a legal court would raise enough doubts in the handling of the whole sport, by those who should always be fair and beyond reproach. Incidently didn't you realise before you called a person a bare faced liar, that the appeal was not even adjudicated on, because the panel said that the criteria hadn't been reached . The assumption is that if a fair and proper hearing had have taken place then Marc Green would have capitulated as he said! Personally I despise injustice, and those that pedal it ? raisemeup
  • Score: 3

12:12am Fri 27 Jun 14

Sense99 says...

Court case or not, we will never know the truth.

And as for lawyers understanding whether they are confident they have a good case or not, that is pure rubbish. Does anyone read the news - despite the PPS taking Rebekah Brooks (and Coulson) to court for phone hacking, she has just been found not guilty, despite it costing the tax payer £100 million.
Court case or not, we will never know the truth. And as for lawyers understanding whether they are confident they have a good case or not, that is pure rubbish. Does anyone read the news - despite the PPS taking Rebekah Brooks (and Coulson) to court for phone hacking, she has just been found not guilty, despite it costing the tax payer £100 million. Sense99
  • Score: 1

12:38am Fri 27 Jun 14

tezzawils says...

It's about time we all knew the truth from the RFL for years they swept things under the carpet ,so I think Marc green is right to pursue this matter . The RFL seem to think they can get away with whatever they like this is not just about the bulls it's about all the clubs and what as gone on over the years . Wakefield have grouses with there torrid time it's easy for Michael carter to come up with statements like I will walk away from from super league if bulls get there points back , a bit of sour grapes but he's not looking at the wider picture only about his club . The RFL seem to think there untouchable just like Sepp blatter and to be honest there no better it's like the challenge cup semis usually we get one semi in Lancashire and one in Yorkshire but this year they decide play them both in Lancashire as the owner of Leigh sports village is very well in with the RFL he gets the second semi for reasons un be know to the wider RFL fans . It's been a catalogue for years yes I know the RFL bought the ground lease from the bulls but RFL where far from transparent with there reason ,and said it was not because the bulls where in financial difficulties , I think the words where it makes sense . This probley why they found no case to answer in David hoods wrong doing at the most likely they was worried if they found David hood guilty of wrongdoing he would have come up with all the wrong doings within the RFL so it was convenient for them to clear David hood for fear he would come back to haunt them . Mark Moore is not stupid he would not have come up with a remark like the bulls won't lose any points unless he had been told that by Solly and Rimmer maybe big Nigel did not agree hence where are at this moment but for the good of the game we need to know the truth so good to Marc green some needs to stand to the cronies at red hall and let the fans know what really goes on at moment it's a shambles they turn a blind eye to the terrible referees decisions etc .
It's about time we all knew the truth from the RFL for years they swept things under the carpet ,so I think Marc green is right to pursue this matter . The RFL seem to think they can get away with whatever they like this is not just about the bulls it's about all the clubs and what as gone on over the years . Wakefield have grouses with there torrid time it's easy for Michael carter to come up with statements like I will walk away from from super league if bulls get there points back , a bit of sour grapes but he's not looking at the wider picture only about his club . The RFL seem to think there untouchable just like Sepp blatter and to be honest there no better it's like the challenge cup semis usually we get one semi in Lancashire and one in Yorkshire but this year they decide play them both in Lancashire as the owner of Leigh sports village is very well in with the RFL he gets the second semi for reasons un be know to the wider RFL fans . It's been a catalogue for years yes I know the RFL bought the ground lease from the bulls but RFL where far from transparent with there reason ,and said it was not because the bulls where in financial difficulties , I think the words where it makes sense . This probley why they found no case to answer in David hoods wrong doing at the most likely they was worried if they found David hood guilty of wrongdoing he would have come up with all the wrong doings within the RFL so it was convenient for them to clear David hood for fear he would come back to haunt them . Mark Moore is not stupid he would not have come up with a remark like the bulls won't lose any points unless he had been told that by Solly and Rimmer maybe big Nigel did not agree hence where are at this moment but for the good of the game we need to know the truth so good to Marc green some needs to stand to the cronies at red hall and let the fans know what really goes on at moment it's a shambles they turn a blind eye to the terrible referees decisions etc . tezzawils
  • Score: 3

8:03am Fri 27 Jun 14

Thee Voice of Reason says...

bradfordbronco wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
The RFL passed judgement.
An independant appeal was heard who upheld the judgement.
The club has twice dumped companies that ran the Bulls with substantial creditors and started with a clean slate.
Rules have been broken, act with dignity and let it lie.

Broncos are already planning for next season and although they haven't won a game this year, foundations are being laid to make a challenge for next year.

Fev, Halifax, Leigh are all looking to grab their chance to get promoted and are looking forwards not backwards.

Only Bradford are currently looking backwards and not forwards so when promotion and relegation is set to be decided next year, the Bulls could be caught napping.

There is every chance of promotion next year but the who club needs to be looking forward to next year and not backwards.
You really do love the RFL don't you. Why are you so concerned with what they might be hiding. The Appeal wasn't properly heard last time as at the last moment somebody decided the Bulls didn't meet the criteria for having the appeal heard after all. had they had word that the panel decided they should get the 6 points back so didn't the appeal to rule on it?

It wont help us stay up, but if we're going down lets take the RFL down with us.

Go for it Mr Green, Its the only way we'll get to find out what's really been going on

TVOR you get so "twitchy" whenever the RFL are criticised or about to be exposed. WHY?

I don;t care if we get 6 points back or not, we'll still be relegated, but lets have the truth out in the open
The truth.
Bulls had £2.6m written off in 2 admins.
They had £600k per year withheld in central funding as part of a punishment.
Khan made little to no effort to balance the books or cut costs.
He signed players like Carvell whilst he couldn't pay the wages of the team he alreadt had.
HMRC issued a winding up order which Whitcut passed off as an admon error.
HMRC issued a second winding up order in which Green put the club into admin.
Bronco verdict, Bulls troubles are all the RFL fault. Nothing of their own making.
Your like a Liverpool fan defending Suarez.
[quote][p][bold]bradfordbronco[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: The RFL passed judgement. An independant appeal was heard who upheld the judgement. The club has twice dumped companies that ran the Bulls with substantial creditors and started with a clean slate. Rules have been broken, act with dignity and let it lie. Broncos are already planning for next season and although they haven't won a game this year, foundations are being laid to make a challenge for next year. Fev, Halifax, Leigh are all looking to grab their chance to get promoted and are looking forwards not backwards. Only Bradford are currently looking backwards and not forwards so when promotion and relegation is set to be decided next year, the Bulls could be caught napping. There is every chance of promotion next year but the who club needs to be looking forward to next year and not backwards.[/p][/quote]You really do love the RFL don't you. Why are you so concerned with what they might be hiding. The Appeal wasn't properly heard last time as at the last moment somebody decided the Bulls didn't meet the criteria for having the appeal heard after all. had they had word that the panel decided they should get the 6 points back so didn't the appeal to rule on it? It wont help us stay up, but if we're going down lets take the RFL down with us. Go for it Mr Green, Its the only way we'll get to find out what's really been going on TVOR you get so "twitchy" whenever the RFL are criticised or about to be exposed. WHY? I don;t care if we get 6 points back or not, we'll still be relegated, but lets have the truth out in the open[/p][/quote]The truth. Bulls had £2.6m written off in 2 admins. They had £600k per year withheld in central funding as part of a punishment. Khan made little to no effort to balance the books or cut costs. He signed players like Carvell whilst he couldn't pay the wages of the team he alreadt had. HMRC issued a winding up order which Whitcut passed off as an admon error. HMRC issued a second winding up order in which Green put the club into admin. Bronco verdict, Bulls troubles are all the RFL fault. Nothing of their own making. Your like a Liverpool fan defending Suarez. Thee Voice of Reason
  • Score: 3

8:56am Fri 27 Jun 14

Sad bull says...

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
bradfordbronco wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
The RFL passed judgement.
An independant appeal was heard who upheld the judgement.
The club has twice dumped companies that ran the Bulls with substantial creditors and started with a clean slate.
Rules have been broken, act with dignity and let it lie.

Broncos are already planning for next season and although they haven't won a game this year, foundations are being laid to make a challenge for next year.

Fev, Halifax, Leigh are all looking to grab their chance to get promoted and are looking forwards not backwards.

Only Bradford are currently looking backwards and not forwards so when promotion and relegation is set to be decided next year, the Bulls could be caught napping.

There is every chance of promotion next year but the who club needs to be looking forward to next year and not backwards.
You really do love the RFL don't you. Why are you so concerned with what they might be hiding. The Appeal wasn't properly heard last time as at the last moment somebody decided the Bulls didn't meet the criteria for having the appeal heard after all. had they had word that the panel decided they should get the 6 points back so didn't the appeal to rule on it?

It wont help us stay up, but if we're going down lets take the RFL down with us.

Go for it Mr Green, Its the only way we'll get to find out what's really been going on

TVOR you get so "twitchy" whenever the RFL are criticised or about to be exposed. WHY?

I don;t care if we get 6 points back or not, we'll still be relegated, but lets have the truth out in the open
The truth.
Bulls had £2.6m written off in 2 admins.
They had £600k per year withheld in central funding as part of a punishment.
Khan made little to no effort to balance the books or cut costs.
He signed players like Carvell whilst he couldn't pay the wages of the team he alreadt had.
HMRC issued a winding up order which Whitcut passed off as an admon error.
HMRC issued a second winding up order in which Green put the club into admin.
Bronco verdict, Bulls troubles are all the RFL fault. Nothing of their own making.
Your like a Liverpool fan defending Suarez.
Get your facts right. The threat of winding up proceedings is not the same as actually issuing a winding up order.

HMRC threatened winding up proceedings which they do as a tactic all the time. Very few of their threats turn into actual winding up orders.
More often than not a deal is done, which I believe to have been the case before the RFL botched the Khan / Moore shares deal.
[quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bradfordbronco[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: The RFL passed judgement. An independant appeal was heard who upheld the judgement. The club has twice dumped companies that ran the Bulls with substantial creditors and started with a clean slate. Rules have been broken, act with dignity and let it lie. Broncos are already planning for next season and although they haven't won a game this year, foundations are being laid to make a challenge for next year. Fev, Halifax, Leigh are all looking to grab their chance to get promoted and are looking forwards not backwards. Only Bradford are currently looking backwards and not forwards so when promotion and relegation is set to be decided next year, the Bulls could be caught napping. There is every chance of promotion next year but the who club needs to be looking forward to next year and not backwards.[/p][/quote]You really do love the RFL don't you. Why are you so concerned with what they might be hiding. The Appeal wasn't properly heard last time as at the last moment somebody decided the Bulls didn't meet the criteria for having the appeal heard after all. had they had word that the panel decided they should get the 6 points back so didn't the appeal to rule on it? It wont help us stay up, but if we're going down lets take the RFL down with us. Go for it Mr Green, Its the only way we'll get to find out what's really been going on TVOR you get so "twitchy" whenever the RFL are criticised or about to be exposed. WHY? I don;t care if we get 6 points back or not, we'll still be relegated, but lets have the truth out in the open[/p][/quote]The truth. Bulls had £2.6m written off in 2 admins. They had £600k per year withheld in central funding as part of a punishment. Khan made little to no effort to balance the books or cut costs. He signed players like Carvell whilst he couldn't pay the wages of the team he alreadt had. HMRC issued a winding up order which Whitcut passed off as an admon error. HMRC issued a second winding up order in which Green put the club into admin. Bronco verdict, Bulls troubles are all the RFL fault. Nothing of their own making. Your like a Liverpool fan defending Suarez.[/p][/quote]Get your facts right. The threat of winding up proceedings is not the same as actually issuing a winding up order. HMRC threatened winding up proceedings which they do as a tactic all the time. Very few of their threats turn into actual winding up orders. More often than not a deal is done, which I believe to have been the case before the RFL botched the Khan / Moore shares deal. Sad bull
  • Score: -2

9:00am Fri 27 Jun 14

spanglishbull.uk says...

T.V.O.R.
You really are a silly old fool.You completely,purposely I might add,miss the point of the argument.We all know the ins and outs of the Admin.we all know about the H.M.R.C. we all know about the creditors who did not get paid.What we,and you,do not know is about the underhand dealings that have gone on at R.L. Headquarters and concerning the verdict after telling the Bulls they had the right to appeal then after the panel met deciding that they did not meet the criteria.Now,even you as numb and bigoted as you are must think something strange has gone on here.Why this sudden about turn? You keep saying it was an independent panel,it was not,people on this panel actually do work for the R.L. Once again,even you would not bite the hand that feeds you.Something here is not right and Marc Green is determined to bring it out into the open,quite rightly to.The points back will not make a blind bit of difference to the Bulls plight but the R.L. hierarchy need to be seen as squeaky clean in this farce which although brought upon by previous Bulls bad management does not give the R.L. the right to come out and say what suits them.The truth is what is needed.And I will finish with one of your usual comments,I told you this situation was not over after the original decision.You see I do have inside information,not just guesswork like you.
T.V.O.R. You really are a silly old fool.You completely,purposely I might add,miss the point of the argument.We all know the ins and outs of the Admin.we all know about the H.M.R.C. we all know about the creditors who did not get paid.What we,and you,do not know is about the underhand dealings that have gone on at R.L. Headquarters and concerning the verdict after telling the Bulls they had the right to appeal then after the panel met deciding that they did not meet the criteria.Now,even you as numb and bigoted as you are must think something strange has gone on here.Why this sudden about turn? You keep saying it was an independent panel,it was not,people on this panel actually do work for the R.L. Once again,even you would not bite the hand that feeds you.Something here is not right and Marc Green is determined to bring it out into the open,quite rightly to.The points back will not make a blind bit of difference to the Bulls plight but the R.L. hierarchy need to be seen as squeaky clean in this farce which although brought upon by previous Bulls bad management does not give the R.L. the right to come out and say what suits them.The truth is what is needed.And I will finish with one of your usual comments,I told you this situation was not over after the original decision.You see I do have inside information,not just guesswork like you. spanglishbull.uk
  • Score: 1

9:06am Fri 27 Jun 14

fedupwiththeBS says...

Instead of wasting money on this lets either pay off the creditors or invest in the on pitch performance; either of which will bring some pride back to our once great Club that is fast become a joke yet again!
Instead of wasting money on this lets either pay off the creditors or invest in the on pitch performance; either of which will bring some pride back to our once great Club that is fast become a joke yet again! fedupwiththeBS
  • Score: 6

9:24am Fri 27 Jun 14

Thee Voice of Reason says...

Sad bull wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
bradfordbronco wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
The RFL passed judgement.
An independant appeal was heard who upheld the judgement.
The club has twice dumped companies that ran the Bulls with substantial creditors and started with a clean slate.
Rules have been broken, act with dignity and let it lie.

Broncos are already planning for next season and although they haven't won a game this year, foundations are being laid to make a challenge for next year.

Fev, Halifax, Leigh are all looking to grab their chance to get promoted and are looking forwards not backwards.

Only Bradford are currently looking backwards and not forwards so when promotion and relegation is set to be decided next year, the Bulls could be caught napping.

There is every chance of promotion next year but the who club needs to be looking forward to next year and not backwards.
You really do love the RFL don't you. Why are you so concerned with what they might be hiding. The Appeal wasn't properly heard last time as at the last moment somebody decided the Bulls didn't meet the criteria for having the appeal heard after all. had they had word that the panel decided they should get the 6 points back so didn't the appeal to rule on it?

It wont help us stay up, but if we're going down lets take the RFL down with us.

Go for it Mr Green, Its the only way we'll get to find out what's really been going on

TVOR you get so "twitchy" whenever the RFL are criticised or about to be exposed. WHY?

I don;t care if we get 6 points back or not, we'll still be relegated, but lets have the truth out in the open
The truth.
Bulls had £2.6m written off in 2 admins.
They had £600k per year withheld in central funding as part of a punishment.
Khan made little to no effort to balance the books or cut costs.
He signed players like Carvell whilst he couldn't pay the wages of the team he alreadt had.
HMRC issued a winding up order which Whitcut passed off as an admon error.
HMRC issued a second winding up order in which Green put the club into admin.
Bronco verdict, Bulls troubles are all the RFL fault. Nothing of their own making.
Your like a Liverpool fan defending Suarez.
Get your facts right. The threat of winding up proceedings is not the same as actually issuing a winding up order.

HMRC threatened winding up proceedings which they do as a tactic all the time. Very few of their threats turn into actual winding up orders.
More often than not a deal is done, which I believe to have been the case before the RFL botched the Khan / Moore shares deal.
You get your facts right.

This winding up petition was issued 31st January 2014.

http://www.winding-u
p-petition-uk.com/ok
-bulls-limited-08196
681/

Bradford Bulls went into administration 31st January 2014.

Keep chatting garbage all you want I'm the one using facts and not rewriting history.
[quote][p][bold]Sad bull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bradfordbronco[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: The RFL passed judgement. An independant appeal was heard who upheld the judgement. The club has twice dumped companies that ran the Bulls with substantial creditors and started with a clean slate. Rules have been broken, act with dignity and let it lie. Broncos are already planning for next season and although they haven't won a game this year, foundations are being laid to make a challenge for next year. Fev, Halifax, Leigh are all looking to grab their chance to get promoted and are looking forwards not backwards. Only Bradford are currently looking backwards and not forwards so when promotion and relegation is set to be decided next year, the Bulls could be caught napping. There is every chance of promotion next year but the who club needs to be looking forward to next year and not backwards.[/p][/quote]You really do love the RFL don't you. Why are you so concerned with what they might be hiding. The Appeal wasn't properly heard last time as at the last moment somebody decided the Bulls didn't meet the criteria for having the appeal heard after all. had they had word that the panel decided they should get the 6 points back so didn't the appeal to rule on it? It wont help us stay up, but if we're going down lets take the RFL down with us. Go for it Mr Green, Its the only way we'll get to find out what's really been going on TVOR you get so "twitchy" whenever the RFL are criticised or about to be exposed. WHY? I don;t care if we get 6 points back or not, we'll still be relegated, but lets have the truth out in the open[/p][/quote]The truth. Bulls had £2.6m written off in 2 admins. They had £600k per year withheld in central funding as part of a punishment. Khan made little to no effort to balance the books or cut costs. He signed players like Carvell whilst he couldn't pay the wages of the team he alreadt had. HMRC issued a winding up order which Whitcut passed off as an admon error. HMRC issued a second winding up order in which Green put the club into admin. Bronco verdict, Bulls troubles are all the RFL fault. Nothing of their own making. Your like a Liverpool fan defending Suarez.[/p][/quote]Get your facts right. The threat of winding up proceedings is not the same as actually issuing a winding up order. HMRC threatened winding up proceedings which they do as a tactic all the time. Very few of their threats turn into actual winding up orders. More often than not a deal is done, which I believe to have been the case before the RFL botched the Khan / Moore shares deal.[/p][/quote]You get your facts right. This winding up petition was issued 31st January 2014. http://www.winding-u p-petition-uk.com/ok -bulls-limited-08196 681/ Bradford Bulls went into administration 31st January 2014. Keep chatting garbage all you want I'm the one using facts and not rewriting history. Thee Voice of Reason
  • Score: 2

10:25am Fri 27 Jun 14

salford red says...

Reality50 wrote:
A desperate act from a desperate club. I normally have no time for the RFL bot on this i am behind them. Bradford have been a crisis club for years and relegation is what they deserve for years of mismanagement and incompetence. Some of their fans think Bulls are still a big club-they were 15 years ago but they aren't now-and the game has moved on. Sooner Bulls and London are relegated,the better for the sport.
Bradford bulls its sad...but the RFL have made I clear... they don't want the bulls in superleague... its business not sport today. they want financial security in a club..
bulls .mr green has done nothing in buying for the bulls to try and stop the drop
[quote][p][bold]Reality50[/bold] wrote: A desperate act from a desperate club. I normally have no time for the RFL bot on this i am behind them. Bradford have been a crisis club for years and relegation is what they deserve for years of mismanagement and incompetence. Some of their fans think Bulls are still a big club-they were 15 years ago but they aren't now-and the game has moved on. Sooner Bulls and London are relegated,the better for the sport.[/p][/quote]Bradford bulls its sad...but the RFL have made I clear... they don't want the bulls in superleague... its business not sport today. they want financial security in a club.. bulls .mr green has done nothing in buying for the bulls to try and stop the drop salford red
  • Score: 3

10:43am Fri 27 Jun 14

Thee Voice of Reason says...

Here is a senario I would be interested in hearing what those favouring a high court case think of.

Say the Bulls had the high court case and won. They then set a presedent that points deduction should not be imposed. The Bulls get their 6 points back but still go down because they aren't good enough anyhow.

2 years down the line, Bulls find themselves back in Super League, they are stuggling but holding their own. Hull KR go into administration but a high court has already ruled no points deductions, so Hull KR have overspent to get their position. They finish 8, 2 points ahead of the Bulls in 9th. Bradford find themselves in the Super League/Championship relegation promotion battle, Hull KR are fighting for the Super League after spending way more than they can afford but an admin package has simply wiped away their debt.

What would Bulls fans think of that senario being the club who went to high court to abolish things like points deductions?
Here is a senario I would be interested in hearing what those favouring a high court case think of. Say the Bulls had the high court case and won. They then set a presedent that points deduction should not be imposed. The Bulls get their 6 points back but still go down because they aren't good enough anyhow. 2 years down the line, Bulls find themselves back in Super League, they are stuggling but holding their own. Hull KR go into administration but a high court has already ruled no points deductions, so Hull KR have overspent to get their position. They finish 8, 2 points ahead of the Bulls in 9th. Bradford find themselves in the Super League/Championship relegation promotion battle, Hull KR are fighting for the Super League after spending way more than they can afford but an admin package has simply wiped away their debt. What would Bulls fans think of that senario being the club who went to high court to abolish things like points deductions? Thee Voice of Reason
  • Score: 4

11:52am Fri 27 Jun 14

YearOfTheRhino says...

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
Waste of time and effort even if 6 points handed back.
Still it deflects from the performances on the pitch and means he doesn't have to strengthen the team until outcome is known.
eee
[quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: Waste of time and effort even if 6 points handed back. Still it deflects from the performances on the pitch and means he doesn't have to strengthen the team until outcome is known.[/p][/quote]eee YearOfTheRhino
  • Score: -1

11:54am Fri 27 Jun 14

YearOfTheRhino says...

Dammit please negate that comment.

Anyroad, I'm fully with Mr Green on this one. Most fans would love to have a Chairman fighting tooth and nail for the club.
Dammit please negate that comment. Anyroad, I'm fully with Mr Green on this one. Most fans would love to have a Chairman fighting tooth and nail for the club. YearOfTheRhino
  • Score: 2

1:10pm Fri 27 Jun 14

Pintorex says...

citygent7 wrote:
Size3_ wrote:
Where are they getting the money from to mount these legal battles? Seems like cutting your nose off to spite your face.
Why do bradford bulls think their so special when other clubs have had points deducted.
And did they have there TV money taken away
[quote][p][bold]citygent7[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Size3_[/bold] wrote: Where are they getting the money from to mount these legal battles? Seems like cutting your nose off to spite your face.[/p][/quote]Why do bradford bulls think their so special when other clubs have had points deducted.[/p][/quote]And did they have there TV money taken away Pintorex
  • Score: 0

1:13pm Fri 27 Jun 14

Thee Voice of Reason says...

Pintorex wrote:
citygent7 wrote:
Size3_ wrote: Where are they getting the money from to mount these legal battles? Seems like cutting your nose off to spite your face.
Why do bradford bulls think their so special when other clubs have had points deducted.
And did they have there TV money taken away
No but they paid their creditors off. The Bulls didn't, twice.
[quote][p][bold]Pintorex[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]citygent7[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Size3_[/bold] wrote: Where are they getting the money from to mount these legal battles? Seems like cutting your nose off to spite your face.[/p][/quote]Why do bradford bulls think their so special when other clubs have had points deducted.[/p][/quote]And did they have there TV money taken away[/p][/quote]No but they paid their creditors off. The Bulls didn't, twice. Thee Voice of Reason
  • Score: 0

1:27pm Fri 27 Jun 14

Alhaurinrhino says...

raisemeup wrote:
It's nice to see the termites of the site are out in force again, another opportunity to castigate someone else at the Bulls! Mostly they show themselves up for their bigotry, and nothing else...Rhino with his slight racist or now anti semitic comment . Shame on him? TVOR with his snide comments, and of course the site wouldn't be complete without a pearl of wisdom from that Mensa reject Tiny Toonster.
I say in spite of all the drivel from the usual...If Marc Green, his solicitors and a Barrister (who has obviously been given a brief) are confident that the RFL have behaved in a way that has caused more grief to our long suffering fans. Then it must be a good case for the Bulls.
Hopefully we as a game can profit from this in the longer term, the RFL aren't at fault it's maybe personalities that are???
Where is the anti semitic comment?

You are a fool
[quote][p][bold]raisemeup[/bold] wrote: It's nice to see the termites of the site are out in force again, another opportunity to castigate someone else at the Bulls! Mostly they show themselves up for their bigotry, and nothing else...Rhino with his slight racist or now anti semitic comment . Shame on him? TVOR with his snide comments, and of course the site wouldn't be complete without a pearl of wisdom from that Mensa reject Tiny Toonster. I say in spite of all the drivel from the usual...If Marc Green, his solicitors and a Barrister (who has obviously been given a brief) are confident that the RFL have behaved in a way that has caused more grief to our long suffering fans. Then it must be a good case for the Bulls. Hopefully we as a game can profit from this in the longer term, the RFL aren't at fault it's maybe personalities that are???[/p][/quote]Where is the anti semitic comment? You are a fool Alhaurinrhino
  • Score: 1

2:07pm Fri 27 Jun 14

portugalbull says...

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
Pintorex wrote:
citygent7 wrote:
Size3_ wrote: Where are they getting the money from to mount these legal battles? Seems like cutting your nose off to spite your face.
Why do bradford bulls think their so special when other clubs have had points deducted.
And did they have there TV money taken away
No but they paid their creditors off. The Bulls didn't, twice.
And twice due to RFL.
First gave creditors monies to clubs and then reneighed on Moore deal to pay from next years cash.
[quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pintorex[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]citygent7[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Size3_[/bold] wrote: Where are they getting the money from to mount these legal battles? Seems like cutting your nose off to spite your face.[/p][/quote]Why do bradford bulls think their so special when other clubs have had points deducted.[/p][/quote]And did they have there TV money taken away[/p][/quote]No but they paid their creditors off. The Bulls didn't, twice.[/p][/quote]And twice due to RFL. First gave creditors monies to clubs and then reneighed on Moore deal to pay from next years cash. portugalbull
  • Score: 1

2:15pm Fri 27 Jun 14

spanglishbull.uk says...

T.V.O.R.
Do you act as thick as two short planks on purpose or can you not read.Of course the appeal is against the 6 point penalty but the more serious matter of making sure that the truth comes out from the R.L. It is also trying to make sure this does not happen to any other club,Hull K.R. Salford,Wakefield anybody.If you can not read properly get a five year old kid to read it for you.Oh no,I forgot you are only interested in your stupid idiotic comments that are all make believe.I guess by your silence then that it does not strike you as odd that the R.L. granted the Bulls leave to appeal then the panel says they do not meet the criteria.With your superior knowledge tell me why you think that happened.I do not want to hear a **** and bull story only your answer to why that happened.
T.V.O.R. Do you act as thick as two short planks on purpose or can you not read.Of course the appeal is against the 6 point penalty but the more serious matter of making sure that the truth comes out from the R.L. It is also trying to make sure this does not happen to any other club,Hull K.R. Salford,Wakefield anybody.If you can not read properly get a five year old kid to read it for you.Oh no,I forgot you are only interested in your stupid idiotic comments that are all make believe.I guess by your silence then that it does not strike you as odd that the R.L. granted the Bulls leave to appeal then the panel says they do not meet the criteria.With your superior knowledge tell me why you think that happened.I do not want to hear a **** and bull story only your answer to why that happened. spanglishbull.uk
  • Score: 0

2:34pm Fri 27 Jun 14

raisemeup says...

Alhaurinrhino wrote:
raisemeup wrote:
It's nice to see the termites of the site are out in force again, another opportunity to castigate someone else at the Bulls! Mostly they show themselves up for their bigotry, and nothing else...Rhino with his slight racist or now anti semitic comment . Shame on him? TVOR with his snide comments, and of course the site wouldn't be complete without a pearl of wisdom from that Mensa reject Tiny Toonster.
I say in spite of all the drivel from the usual...If Marc Green, his solicitors and a Barrister (who has obviously been given a brief) are confident that the RFL have behaved in a way that has caused more grief to our long suffering fans. Then it must be a good case for the Bulls.
Hopefully we as a game can profit from this in the longer term, the RFL aren't at fault it's maybe personalities that are???
Where is the anti semitic comment?

You are a fool
Not me that's being investigated is it, so not worried about what you think?
[quote][p][bold]Alhaurinrhino[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]raisemeup[/bold] wrote: It's nice to see the termites of the site are out in force again, another opportunity to castigate someone else at the Bulls! Mostly they show themselves up for their bigotry, and nothing else...Rhino with his slight racist or now anti semitic comment . Shame on him? TVOR with his snide comments, and of course the site wouldn't be complete without a pearl of wisdom from that Mensa reject Tiny Toonster. I say in spite of all the drivel from the usual...If Marc Green, his solicitors and a Barrister (who has obviously been given a brief) are confident that the RFL have behaved in a way that has caused more grief to our long suffering fans. Then it must be a good case for the Bulls. Hopefully we as a game can profit from this in the longer term, the RFL aren't at fault it's maybe personalities that are???[/p][/quote]Where is the anti semitic comment? You are a fool[/p][/quote]Not me that's being investigated is it, so not worried about what you think? raisemeup
  • Score: 0

2:53pm Fri 27 Jun 14

Thee Voice of Reason says...

spanglishbull.uk wrote:
T.V.O.R. Do you act as thick as two short planks on purpose or can you not read.Of course the appeal is against the 6 point penalty but the more serious matter of making sure that the truth comes out from the R.L. It is also trying to make sure this does not happen to any other club,Hull K.R. Salford,Wakefield anybody.If you can not read properly get a five year old kid to read it for you.Oh no,I forgot you are only interested in your stupid idiotic comments that are all make believe.I guess by your silence then that it does not strike you as odd that the R.L. granted the Bulls leave to appeal then the panel says they do not meet the criteria.With your superior knowledge tell me why you think that happened.I do not want to hear a **** and bull story only your answer to why that happened.
The truth is out there. You just choose not to beleive it.
[quote][p][bold]spanglishbull.uk[/bold] wrote: T.V.O.R. Do you act as thick as two short planks on purpose or can you not read.Of course the appeal is against the 6 point penalty but the more serious matter of making sure that the truth comes out from the R.L. It is also trying to make sure this does not happen to any other club,Hull K.R. Salford,Wakefield anybody.If you can not read properly get a five year old kid to read it for you.Oh no,I forgot you are only interested in your stupid idiotic comments that are all make believe.I guess by your silence then that it does not strike you as odd that the R.L. granted the Bulls leave to appeal then the panel says they do not meet the criteria.With your superior knowledge tell me why you think that happened.I do not want to hear a **** and bull story only your answer to why that happened.[/p][/quote]The truth is out there. You just choose not to beleive it. Thee Voice of Reason
  • Score: 0

3:48pm Fri 27 Jun 14

raisemeup says...

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
spanglishbull.uk wrote:
T.V.O.R. Do you act as thick as two short planks on purpose or can you not read.Of course the appeal is against the 6 point penalty but the more serious matter of making sure that the truth comes out from the R.L. It is also trying to make sure this does not happen to any other club,Hull K.R. Salford,Wakefield anybody.If you can not read properly get a five year old kid to read it for you.Oh no,I forgot you are only interested in your stupid idiotic comments that are all make believe.I guess by your silence then that it does not strike you as odd that the R.L. granted the Bulls leave to appeal then the panel says they do not meet the criteria.With your superior knowledge tell me why you think that happened.I do not want to hear a **** and bull story only your answer to why that happened.
The truth is out there. You just choose not to beleive it.
We can be pleased about that, because Marc Green is determined to get the injustices sorted out, via this court action, that will be truly independent.
Tell me TVOR if the court action takes place and the RFL, through their representatives are found to be guilty as charged..who will you say is wrong then???
[quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]spanglishbull.uk[/bold] wrote: T.V.O.R. Do you act as thick as two short planks on purpose or can you not read.Of course the appeal is against the 6 point penalty but the more serious matter of making sure that the truth comes out from the R.L. It is also trying to make sure this does not happen to any other club,Hull K.R. Salford,Wakefield anybody.If you can not read properly get a five year old kid to read it for you.Oh no,I forgot you are only interested in your stupid idiotic comments that are all make believe.I guess by your silence then that it does not strike you as odd that the R.L. granted the Bulls leave to appeal then the panel says they do not meet the criteria.With your superior knowledge tell me why you think that happened.I do not want to hear a **** and bull story only your answer to why that happened.[/p][/quote]The truth is out there. You just choose not to beleive it.[/p][/quote]We can be pleased about that, because Marc Green is determined to get the injustices sorted out, via this court action, that will be truly independent. Tell me TVOR if the court action takes place and the RFL, through their representatives are found to be guilty as charged..who will you say is wrong then??? raisemeup
  • Score: 1

4:02pm Fri 27 Jun 14

Thee Voice of Reason says...

raisemeup wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
spanglishbull.uk wrote: T.V.O.R. Do you act as thick as two short planks on purpose or can you not read.Of course the appeal is against the 6 point penalty but the more serious matter of making sure that the truth comes out from the R.L. It is also trying to make sure this does not happen to any other club,Hull K.R. Salford,Wakefield anybody.If you can not read properly get a five year old kid to read it for you.Oh no,I forgot you are only interested in your stupid idiotic comments that are all make believe.I guess by your silence then that it does not strike you as odd that the R.L. granted the Bulls leave to appeal then the panel says they do not meet the criteria.With your superior knowledge tell me why you think that happened.I do not want to hear a **** and bull story only your answer to why that happened.
The truth is out there. You just choose not to beleive it.
We can be pleased about that, because Marc Green is determined to get the injustices sorted out, via this court action, that will be truly independent. Tell me TVOR if the court action takes place and the RFL, through their representatives are found to be guilty as charged..who will you say is wrong then???
What are you hoping the RFL are going to be found guilty of? Thats a serious question btw.

If it weren't for the RFL the Bulls wouldn't even be in existance, but lets paper over that.

Bulls have been run like a circus through their own making, but people want someone to blame. Blame clearly lies with Caisley, Hood and Khan but Bulls fans don't seem to care about those who have wondered back into the shadows. It's the RFL they want to blame. After all it was the RFL who was holding a gun to the Bulls and ordering them to spend money they could never pay back wasn't it?

People like you seem to think the Bulls are blameless in all this, they are the victims so to speak, a little like Suarez I suspose.

I think the Bulls should be looking forward not backwards, they will be left at the start gate next season because of all this. Bulls are going down and they need to focus on getting back up. All the Bulls are doing is bringing the game into disrepute, I'm sure the RFL will not be taking very kindly to this. Bridges are being burn't, next time things go pop don't be suprised to find yourself on your own without the offer of an olive branch like previously given.
[quote][p][bold]raisemeup[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]spanglishbull.uk[/bold] wrote: T.V.O.R. Do you act as thick as two short planks on purpose or can you not read.Of course the appeal is against the 6 point penalty but the more serious matter of making sure that the truth comes out from the R.L. It is also trying to make sure this does not happen to any other club,Hull K.R. Salford,Wakefield anybody.If you can not read properly get a five year old kid to read it for you.Oh no,I forgot you are only interested in your stupid idiotic comments that are all make believe.I guess by your silence then that it does not strike you as odd that the R.L. granted the Bulls leave to appeal then the panel says they do not meet the criteria.With your superior knowledge tell me why you think that happened.I do not want to hear a **** and bull story only your answer to why that happened.[/p][/quote]The truth is out there. You just choose not to beleive it.[/p][/quote]We can be pleased about that, because Marc Green is determined to get the injustices sorted out, via this court action, that will be truly independent. Tell me TVOR if the court action takes place and the RFL, through their representatives are found to be guilty as charged..who will you say is wrong then???[/p][/quote]What are you hoping the RFL are going to be found guilty of? Thats a serious question btw. If it weren't for the RFL the Bulls wouldn't even be in existance, but lets paper over that. Bulls have been run like a circus through their own making, but people want someone to blame. Blame clearly lies with Caisley, Hood and Khan but Bulls fans don't seem to care about those who have wondered back into the shadows. It's the RFL they want to blame. After all it was the RFL who was holding a gun to the Bulls and ordering them to spend money they could never pay back wasn't it? People like you seem to think the Bulls are blameless in all this, they are the victims so to speak, a little like Suarez I suspose. I think the Bulls should be looking forward not backwards, they will be left at the start gate next season because of all this. Bulls are going down and they need to focus on getting back up. All the Bulls are doing is bringing the game into disrepute, I'm sure the RFL will not be taking very kindly to this. Bridges are being burn't, next time things go pop don't be suprised to find yourself on your own without the offer of an olive branch like previously given. Thee Voice of Reason
  • Score: 0

4:14pm Fri 27 Jun 14

raisemeup says...

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
raisemeup wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
spanglishbull.uk wrote: T.V.O.R. Do you act as thick as two short planks on purpose or can you not read.Of course the appeal is against the 6 point penalty but the more serious matter of making sure that the truth comes out from the R.L. It is also trying to make sure this does not happen to any other club,Hull K.R. Salford,Wakefield anybody.If you can not read properly get a five year old kid to read it for you.Oh no,I forgot you are only interested in your stupid idiotic comments that are all make believe.I guess by your silence then that it does not strike you as odd that the R.L. granted the Bulls leave to appeal then the panel says they do not meet the criteria.With your superior knowledge tell me why you think that happened.I do not want to hear a **** and bull story only your answer to why that happened.
The truth is out there. You just choose not to beleive it.
We can be pleased about that, because Marc Green is determined to get the injustices sorted out, via this court action, that will be truly independent. Tell me TVOR if the court action takes place and the RFL, through their representatives are found to be guilty as charged..who will you say is wrong then???
What are you hoping the RFL are going to be found guilty of? Thats a serious question btw.

If it weren't for the RFL the Bulls wouldn't even be in existance, but lets paper over that.

Bulls have been run like a circus through their own making, but people want someone to blame. Blame clearly lies with Caisley, Hood and Khan but Bulls fans don't seem to care about those who have wondered back into the shadows. It's the RFL they want to blame. After all it was the RFL who was holding a gun to the Bulls and ordering them to spend money they could never pay back wasn't it?

People like you seem to think the Bulls are blameless in all this, they are the victims so to speak, a little like Suarez I suspose.

I think the Bulls should be looking forward not backwards, they will be left at the start gate next season because of all this. Bulls are going down and they need to focus on getting back up. All the Bulls are doing is bringing the game into disrepute, I'm sure the RFL will not be taking very kindly to this. Bridges are being burn't, next time things go pop don't be suprised to find yourself on your own without the offer of an olive branch like previously given.
TVOR the inability to answer a simple question as posed:
ie "Tell me TVOR if the court action takes place and the RFL, through their representatives are found to be guilty as charged..who will you say is wrong then???"

An extract from war and peace isn't required, a simple answer is all that is needed?
[quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]raisemeup[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]spanglishbull.uk[/bold] wrote: T.V.O.R. Do you act as thick as two short planks on purpose or can you not read.Of course the appeal is against the 6 point penalty but the more serious matter of making sure that the truth comes out from the R.L. It is also trying to make sure this does not happen to any other club,Hull K.R. Salford,Wakefield anybody.If you can not read properly get a five year old kid to read it for you.Oh no,I forgot you are only interested in your stupid idiotic comments that are all make believe.I guess by your silence then that it does not strike you as odd that the R.L. granted the Bulls leave to appeal then the panel says they do not meet the criteria.With your superior knowledge tell me why you think that happened.I do not want to hear a **** and bull story only your answer to why that happened.[/p][/quote]The truth is out there. You just choose not to beleive it.[/p][/quote]We can be pleased about that, because Marc Green is determined to get the injustices sorted out, via this court action, that will be truly independent. Tell me TVOR if the court action takes place and the RFL, through their representatives are found to be guilty as charged..who will you say is wrong then???[/p][/quote]What are you hoping the RFL are going to be found guilty of? Thats a serious question btw. If it weren't for the RFL the Bulls wouldn't even be in existance, but lets paper over that. Bulls have been run like a circus through their own making, but people want someone to blame. Blame clearly lies with Caisley, Hood and Khan but Bulls fans don't seem to care about those who have wondered back into the shadows. It's the RFL they want to blame. After all it was the RFL who was holding a gun to the Bulls and ordering them to spend money they could never pay back wasn't it? People like you seem to think the Bulls are blameless in all this, they are the victims so to speak, a little like Suarez I suspose. I think the Bulls should be looking forward not backwards, they will be left at the start gate next season because of all this. Bulls are going down and they need to focus on getting back up. All the Bulls are doing is bringing the game into disrepute, I'm sure the RFL will not be taking very kindly to this. Bridges are being burn't, next time things go pop don't be suprised to find yourself on your own without the offer of an olive branch like previously given.[/p][/quote]TVOR the inability to answer a simple question as posed: ie "Tell me TVOR if the court action takes place and the RFL, through their representatives are found to be guilty as charged..who will you say is wrong then???[/p]" An extract from war and peace isn't required, a simple answer is all that is needed? raisemeup
  • Score: 1

4:23pm Fri 27 Jun 14

spanglishbull.uk says...

T.V.O R,
Still not going to answer the question then.Did you not think that it was strange that the Bulls were given leave to appeal and then told by a chosen by the R.L. panel that they did not meet the criteria? a simple question really,yes or no will do.By the way as well as not being able to read you can not spell either.If you decide to answer get a four year old kid to type it out for you.
T.V.O R, Still not going to answer the question then.Did you not think that it was strange that the Bulls were given leave to appeal and then told by a chosen by the R.L. panel that they did not meet the criteria? a simple question really,yes or no will do.By the way as well as not being able to read you can not spell either.If you decide to answer get a four year old kid to type it out for you. spanglishbull.uk
  • Score: 1

4:26pm Fri 27 Jun 14

Thee Voice of Reason says...

raisemeup wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
raisemeup wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
spanglishbull.uk wrote: T.V.O.R. Do you act as thick as two short planks on purpose or can you not read.Of course the appeal is against the 6 point penalty but the more serious matter of making sure that the truth comes out from the R.L. It is also trying to make sure this does not happen to any other club,Hull K.R. Salford,Wakefield anybody.If you can not read properly get a five year old kid to read it for you.Oh no,I forgot you are only interested in your stupid idiotic comments that are all make believe.I guess by your silence then that it does not strike you as odd that the R.L. granted the Bulls leave to appeal then the panel says they do not meet the criteria.With your superior knowledge tell me why you think that happened.I do not want to hear a **** and bull story only your answer to why that happened.
The truth is out there. You just choose not to beleive it.
We can be pleased about that, because Marc Green is determined to get the injustices sorted out, via this court action, that will be truly independent. Tell me TVOR if the court action takes place and the RFL, through their representatives are found to be guilty as charged..who will you say is wrong then???
What are you hoping the RFL are going to be found guilty of? Thats a serious question btw. If it weren't for the RFL the Bulls wouldn't even be in existance, but lets paper over that. Bulls have been run like a circus through their own making, but people want someone to blame. Blame clearly lies with Caisley, Hood and Khan but Bulls fans don't seem to care about those who have wondered back into the shadows. It's the RFL they want to blame. After all it was the RFL who was holding a gun to the Bulls and ordering them to spend money they could never pay back wasn't it? People like you seem to think the Bulls are blameless in all this, they are the victims so to speak, a little like Suarez I suspose. I think the Bulls should be looking forward not backwards, they will be left at the start gate next season because of all this. Bulls are going down and they need to focus on getting back up. All the Bulls are doing is bringing the game into disrepute, I'm sure the RFL will not be taking very kindly to this. Bridges are being burn't, next time things go pop don't be suprised to find yourself on your own without the offer of an olive branch like previously given.
TVOR the inability to answer a simple question as posed: ie "Tell me TVOR if the court action takes place and the RFL, through their representatives are found to be guilty as charged..who will you say is wrong then???" An extract from war and peace isn't required, a simple answer is all that is needed?
I replied to that by asking what are the RFL to be found guilty of.

Tell me what RFL are to be tried for and I will give you an answer.
[quote][p][bold]raisemeup[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]raisemeup[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]spanglishbull.uk[/bold] wrote: T.V.O.R. Do you act as thick as two short planks on purpose or can you not read.Of course the appeal is against the 6 point penalty but the more serious matter of making sure that the truth comes out from the R.L. It is also trying to make sure this does not happen to any other club,Hull K.R. Salford,Wakefield anybody.If you can not read properly get a five year old kid to read it for you.Oh no,I forgot you are only interested in your stupid idiotic comments that are all make believe.I guess by your silence then that it does not strike you as odd that the R.L. granted the Bulls leave to appeal then the panel says they do not meet the criteria.With your superior knowledge tell me why you think that happened.I do not want to hear a **** and bull story only your answer to why that happened.[/p][/quote]The truth is out there. You just choose not to beleive it.[/p][/quote]We can be pleased about that, because Marc Green is determined to get the injustices sorted out, via this court action, that will be truly independent. Tell me TVOR if the court action takes place and the RFL, through their representatives are found to be guilty as charged..who will you say is wrong then???[/p][/quote]What are you hoping the RFL are going to be found guilty of? Thats a serious question btw. If it weren't for the RFL the Bulls wouldn't even be in existance, but lets paper over that. Bulls have been run like a circus through their own making, but people want someone to blame. Blame clearly lies with Caisley, Hood and Khan but Bulls fans don't seem to care about those who have wondered back into the shadows. It's the RFL they want to blame. After all it was the RFL who was holding a gun to the Bulls and ordering them to spend money they could never pay back wasn't it? People like you seem to think the Bulls are blameless in all this, they are the victims so to speak, a little like Suarez I suspose. I think the Bulls should be looking forward not backwards, they will be left at the start gate next season because of all this. Bulls are going down and they need to focus on getting back up. All the Bulls are doing is bringing the game into disrepute, I'm sure the RFL will not be taking very kindly to this. Bridges are being burn't, next time things go pop don't be suprised to find yourself on your own without the offer of an olive branch like previously given.[/p][/quote]TVOR the inability to answer a simple question as posed: ie "Tell me TVOR if the court action takes place and the RFL, through their representatives are found to be guilty as charged..who will you say is wrong then???[/p]" An extract from war and peace isn't required, a simple answer is all that is needed?[/p][/quote]I replied to that by asking what are the RFL to be found guilty of. Tell me what RFL are to be tried for and I will give you an answer. Thee Voice of Reason
  • Score: -1

4:41pm Fri 27 Jun 14

Thee Voice of Reason says...

spanglishbull.uk wrote:
T.V.O R, Still not going to answer the question then.Did you not think that it was strange that the Bulls were given leave to appeal and then told by a chosen by the R.L. panel that they did not meet the criteria? a simple question really,yes or no will do.By the way as well as not being able to read you can not spell either.If you decide to answer get a four year old kid to type it out for you.
Can I not spell. Sometimes I can, sometimes I can't but I'm not here to pick up on people's spelling and grammar on a comments section Mr no spaces after full stops and whats a paragraph.

Bulls put an appeal in and it was thrown out as it didn't fit the criteria. Whats wrong with that. Maybe the Bulls should have properly reviewed their defence before making their application.

I could be granted an appeal for speeding, but if I start going on about something unrelated then it would be no suprise to see it thrown out. Have you seen the appeal report from the appeal?
[quote][p][bold]spanglishbull.uk[/bold] wrote: T.V.O R, Still not going to answer the question then.Did you not think that it was strange that the Bulls were given leave to appeal and then told by a chosen by the R.L. panel that they did not meet the criteria? a simple question really,yes or no will do.By the way as well as not being able to read you can not spell either.If you decide to answer get a four year old kid to type it out for you.[/p][/quote]Can I not spell. Sometimes I can, sometimes I can't but I'm not here to pick up on people's spelling and grammar on a comments section Mr no spaces after full stops and whats a paragraph. Bulls put an appeal in and it was thrown out as it didn't fit the criteria. Whats wrong with that. Maybe the Bulls should have properly reviewed their defence before making their application. I could be granted an appeal for speeding, but if I start going on about something unrelated then it would be no suprise to see it thrown out. Have you seen the appeal report from the appeal? Thee Voice of Reason
  • Score: 0

4:45pm Fri 27 Jun 14

Thee Voice of Reason says...

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
spanglishbull.uk wrote: T.V.O R, Still not going to answer the question then.Did you not think that it was strange that the Bulls were given leave to appeal and then told by a chosen by the R.L. panel that they did not meet the criteria? a simple question really,yes or no will do.By the way as well as not being able to read you can not spell either.If you decide to answer get a four year old kid to type it out for you.
Can I not spell. Sometimes I can, sometimes I can't but I'm not here to pick up on people's spelling and grammar on a comments section Mr no spaces after full stops and whats a paragraph. Bulls put an appeal in and it was thrown out as it didn't fit the criteria. Whats wrong with that. Maybe the Bulls should have properly reviewed their defence before making their application. I could be granted an appeal for speeding, but if I start going on about something unrelated then it would be no suprise to see it thrown out. Have you seen the appeal report from the appeal?
Infact it reminds me of the time Viking was arguing that the annual return for OK Bulls wasn't late by going on about the accounts which are a totally unrelated item.

Then Raisemeup jumped in because Bronco was going on about 21month grace which again was about the accounts no the annual return which has it's clue in the word annual.

People putting up arguments that don't fit the details that are being discussed or debated.
[quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]spanglishbull.uk[/bold] wrote: T.V.O R, Still not going to answer the question then.Did you not think that it was strange that the Bulls were given leave to appeal and then told by a chosen by the R.L. panel that they did not meet the criteria? a simple question really,yes or no will do.By the way as well as not being able to read you can not spell either.If you decide to answer get a four year old kid to type it out for you.[/p][/quote]Can I not spell. Sometimes I can, sometimes I can't but I'm not here to pick up on people's spelling and grammar on a comments section Mr no spaces after full stops and whats a paragraph. Bulls put an appeal in and it was thrown out as it didn't fit the criteria. Whats wrong with that. Maybe the Bulls should have properly reviewed their defence before making their application. I could be granted an appeal for speeding, but if I start going on about something unrelated then it would be no suprise to see it thrown out. Have you seen the appeal report from the appeal?[/p][/quote]Infact it reminds me of the time Viking was arguing that the annual return for OK Bulls wasn't late by going on about the accounts which are a totally unrelated item. Then Raisemeup jumped in because Bronco was going on about 21month grace which again was about the accounts no the annual return which has it's clue in the word annual. People putting up arguments that don't fit the details that are being discussed or debated. Thee Voice of Reason
  • Score: -1

4:46pm Fri 27 Jun 14

The Fat Lady Sings says...

Good luck to you Mr Green. I certainly believe that the water is murky around the reasons for entering administration. A reliable source close to a major sponsor of the club says that Mr Moore and co, were highly regarded by them as to the positive, galvanising effect they had on the club and fully expected them to be allowed to purchase the club, points reduction-free, as a way of extracating it from an intractable Mr Khan. This from a major sponsor. So, who is telling lies or being economic with the truth. Forget about the six points. Believe in the truth. What have the RFL to hide?
Good luck to you Mr Green. I certainly believe that the water is murky around the reasons for entering administration. A reliable source close to a major sponsor of the club says that Mr Moore and co, were highly regarded by them as to the positive, galvanising effect they had on the club and fully expected them to be allowed to purchase the club, points reduction-free, as a way of extracating it from an intractable Mr Khan. This from a major sponsor. So, who is telling lies or being economic with the truth. Forget about the six points. Believe in the truth. What have the RFL to hide? The Fat Lady Sings
  • Score: 4

5:00pm Fri 27 Jun 14

spanglishbull.uk says...

Hear,hear Fat Lady.
All anybody can ask is for the R.L. to be honest and transparent in this case.The High Court will decide this.As you say the 6 point penalty is not the basis of this case.They are unimportant,the truth is.Even other clubs chairmen and players are supporting the Bulls in their stand.Obviously they will all be wrong.T.V.O.R. says so.The fellow lives in a time warp,he keeps harping on about the past.This decision could affect the future of the game,that is the important point.If the decision is found in the Bulls favour heads should roll at Red Hall.
Hear,hear Fat Lady. All anybody can ask is for the R.L. to be honest and transparent in this case.The High Court will decide this.As you say the 6 point penalty is not the basis of this case.They are unimportant,the truth is.Even other clubs chairmen and players are supporting the Bulls in their stand.Obviously they will all be wrong.T.V.O.R. says so.The fellow lives in a time warp,he keeps harping on about the past.This decision could affect the future of the game,that is the important point.If the decision is found in the Bulls favour heads should roll at Red Hall. spanglishbull.uk
  • Score: 4

5:09pm Fri 27 Jun 14

Thee Voice of Reason says...

spanglishbull.uk wrote:
Hear,hear Fat Lady. All anybody can ask is for the R.L. to be honest and transparent in this case.The High Court will decide this.As you say the 6 point penalty is not the basis of this case.They are unimportant,the truth is.Even other clubs chairmen and players are supporting the Bulls in their stand.Obviously they will all be wrong.T.V.O.R. says so.The fellow lives in a time warp,he keeps harping on about the past.This decision could affect the future of the game,that is the important point.If the decision is found in the Bulls favour heads should roll at Red Hall.
And if it's not, will the Bulls try the European court or let it drop?
[quote][p][bold]spanglishbull.uk[/bold] wrote: Hear,hear Fat Lady. All anybody can ask is for the R.L. to be honest and transparent in this case.The High Court will decide this.As you say the 6 point penalty is not the basis of this case.They are unimportant,the truth is.Even other clubs chairmen and players are supporting the Bulls in their stand.Obviously they will all be wrong.T.V.O.R. says so.The fellow lives in a time warp,he keeps harping on about the past.This decision could affect the future of the game,that is the important point.If the decision is found in the Bulls favour heads should roll at Red Hall.[/p][/quote]And if it's not, will the Bulls try the European court or let it drop? Thee Voice of Reason
  • Score: 0

6:10pm Fri 27 Jun 14

spanglishbull.uk says...

If it is not successful I will go along with you.Leave it.But at least the Chairman of a club can be seen to challenge the R.L. in thinking that all is not transparent coming from them.Another prediction for you,if this case fails be prepared for more problems next year between the clubs and the R.L.As I have said,I do not guess.The only way this will go away is if a member of the R.L hierarchy resigns and walks away.And before you ask,no i will not name names,this will all come out in the wash.
If it is not successful I will go along with you.Leave it.But at least the Chairman of a club can be seen to challenge the R.L. in thinking that all is not transparent coming from them.Another prediction for you,if this case fails be prepared for more problems next year between the clubs and the R.L.As I have said,I do not guess.The only way this will go away is if a member of the R.L hierarchy resigns and walks away.And before you ask,no i will not name names,this will all come out in the wash. spanglishbull.uk
  • Score: 2

7:31pm Fri 27 Jun 14

raisemeup says...

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
raisemeup wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
raisemeup wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
spanglishbull.uk wrote: T.V.O.R. Do you act as thick as two short planks on purpose or can you not read.Of course the appeal is against the 6 point penalty but the more serious matter of making sure that the truth comes out from the R.L. It is also trying to make sure this does not happen to any other club,Hull K.R. Salford,Wakefield anybody.If you can not read properly get a five year old kid to read it for you.Oh no,I forgot you are only interested in your stupid idiotic comments that are all make believe.I guess by your silence then that it does not strike you as odd that the R.L. granted the Bulls leave to appeal then the panel says they do not meet the criteria.With your superior knowledge tell me why you think that happened.I do not want to hear a **** and bull story only your answer to why that happened.
The truth is out there. You just choose not to beleive it.
We can be pleased about that, because Marc Green is determined to get the injustices sorted out, via this court action, that will be truly independent. Tell me TVOR if the court action takes place and the RFL, through their representatives are found to be guilty as charged..who will you say is wrong then???
What are you hoping the RFL are going to be found guilty of? Thats a serious question btw. If it weren't for the RFL the Bulls wouldn't even be in existance, but lets paper over that. Bulls have been run like a circus through their own making, but people want someone to blame. Blame clearly lies with Caisley, Hood and Khan but Bulls fans don't seem to care about those who have wondered back into the shadows. It's the RFL they want to blame. After all it was the RFL who was holding a gun to the Bulls and ordering them to spend money they could never pay back wasn't it? People like you seem to think the Bulls are blameless in all this, they are the victims so to speak, a little like Suarez I suspose. I think the Bulls should be looking forward not backwards, they will be left at the start gate next season because of all this. Bulls are going down and they need to focus on getting back up. All the Bulls are doing is bringing the game into disrepute, I'm sure the RFL will not be taking very kindly to this. Bridges are being burn't, next time things go pop don't be suprised to find yourself on your own without the offer of an olive branch like previously given.
TVOR the inability to answer a simple question as posed: ie "Tell me TVOR if the court action takes place and the RFL, through their representatives are found to be guilty as charged..who will you say is wrong then???" An extract from war and peace isn't required, a simple answer is all that is needed?
I replied to that by asking what are the RFL to be found guilty of.

Tell me what RFL are to be tried for and I will give you an answer.
I could not tell you because I do not know, but rest assured the people who are bringing the matters to light could tell you, but it's now probably sub judice?

Let me re phrase the question: Hypothetically if the RFL are found to be procedurally at fault all round, and individuals have been found to be less than diligent in their dealings with a Club and it's supporters, who deserved better than the way the RFL have dealt with the whole situation?
OK the verdict will be either Guilty or not Guilty!
So what is your answer???
[quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]raisemeup[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]raisemeup[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]spanglishbull.uk[/bold] wrote: T.V.O.R. Do you act as thick as two short planks on purpose or can you not read.Of course the appeal is against the 6 point penalty but the more serious matter of making sure that the truth comes out from the R.L. It is also trying to make sure this does not happen to any other club,Hull K.R. Salford,Wakefield anybody.If you can not read properly get a five year old kid to read it for you.Oh no,I forgot you are only interested in your stupid idiotic comments that are all make believe.I guess by your silence then that it does not strike you as odd that the R.L. granted the Bulls leave to appeal then the panel says they do not meet the criteria.With your superior knowledge tell me why you think that happened.I do not want to hear a **** and bull story only your answer to why that happened.[/p][/quote]The truth is out there. You just choose not to beleive it.[/p][/quote]We can be pleased about that, because Marc Green is determined to get the injustices sorted out, via this court action, that will be truly independent. Tell me TVOR if the court action takes place and the RFL, through their representatives are found to be guilty as charged..who will you say is wrong then???[/p][/quote]What are you hoping the RFL are going to be found guilty of? Thats a serious question btw. If it weren't for the RFL the Bulls wouldn't even be in existance, but lets paper over that. Bulls have been run like a circus through their own making, but people want someone to blame. Blame clearly lies with Caisley, Hood and Khan but Bulls fans don't seem to care about those who have wondered back into the shadows. It's the RFL they want to blame. After all it was the RFL who was holding a gun to the Bulls and ordering them to spend money they could never pay back wasn't it? People like you seem to think the Bulls are blameless in all this, they are the victims so to speak, a little like Suarez I suspose. I think the Bulls should be looking forward not backwards, they will be left at the start gate next season because of all this. Bulls are going down and they need to focus on getting back up. All the Bulls are doing is bringing the game into disrepute, I'm sure the RFL will not be taking very kindly to this. Bridges are being burn't, next time things go pop don't be suprised to find yourself on your own without the offer of an olive branch like previously given.[/p][/quote]TVOR the inability to answer a simple question as posed: ie "Tell me TVOR if the court action takes place and the RFL, through their representatives are found to be guilty as charged..who will you say is wrong then???[/p]" An extract from war and peace isn't required, a simple answer is all that is needed?[/p][/quote]I replied to that by asking what are the RFL to be found guilty of. Tell me what RFL are to be tried for and I will give you an answer.[/p][/quote]I could not tell you because I do not know, but rest assured the people who are bringing the matters to light could tell you, but it's now probably sub judice? Let me re phrase the question: Hypothetically if the RFL are found to be procedurally at fault all round, and individuals have been found to be less than diligent in their dealings with a Club and it's supporters, who deserved better than the way the RFL have dealt with the whole situation? OK the verdict will be either Guilty or not Guilty! So what is your answer??? raisemeup
  • Score: -1

9:45pm Sun 29 Jun 14

bradfordbronco says...

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
spanglishbull.uk wrote: T.V.O R, Still not going to answer the question then.Did you not think that it was strange that the Bulls were given leave to appeal and then told by a chosen by the R.L. panel that they did not meet the criteria? a simple question really,yes or no will do.By the way as well as not being able to read you can not spell either.If you decide to answer get a four year old kid to type it out for you.
Can I not spell. Sometimes I can, sometimes I can't but I'm not here to pick up on people's spelling and grammar on a comments section Mr no spaces after full stops and whats a paragraph. Bulls put an appeal in and it was thrown out as it didn't fit the criteria. Whats wrong with that. Maybe the Bulls should have properly reviewed their defence before making their application. I could be granted an appeal for speeding, but if I start going on about something unrelated then it would be no suprise to see it thrown out. Have you seen the appeal report from the appeal?
Infact it reminds me of the time Viking was arguing that the annual return for OK Bulls wasn't late by going on about the accounts which are a totally unrelated item.

Then Raisemeup jumped in because Bronco was going on about 21month grace which again was about the accounts no the annual return which has it's clue in the word annual.

People putting up arguments that don't fit the details that are being discussed or debated.
TVOR Once again you get your facts mixed.
I never mentioned anything about 21 months grace. I know that for a fact because I don't know anything about 21 months grace or accounts mumbo jumbo. I have as much interest in accounts as I do in BCFC, X Factor or Big brother.

For that reason I don't follow them know anything about them or bother commenting about them

My question to you though is Why do you waste your time and life commenting on the Bradford Bulls. Have you nothing else to do

I know i've you this loads of times before but you NEVER give me an answer
[quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]spanglishbull.uk[/bold] wrote: T.V.O R, Still not going to answer the question then.Did you not think that it was strange that the Bulls were given leave to appeal and then told by a chosen by the R.L. panel that they did not meet the criteria? a simple question really,yes or no will do.By the way as well as not being able to read you can not spell either.If you decide to answer get a four year old kid to type it out for you.[/p][/quote]Can I not spell. Sometimes I can, sometimes I can't but I'm not here to pick up on people's spelling and grammar on a comments section Mr no spaces after full stops and whats a paragraph. Bulls put an appeal in and it was thrown out as it didn't fit the criteria. Whats wrong with that. Maybe the Bulls should have properly reviewed their defence before making their application. I could be granted an appeal for speeding, but if I start going on about something unrelated then it would be no suprise to see it thrown out. Have you seen the appeal report from the appeal?[/p][/quote]Infact it reminds me of the time Viking was arguing that the annual return for OK Bulls wasn't late by going on about the accounts which are a totally unrelated item. Then Raisemeup jumped in because Bronco was going on about 21month grace which again was about the accounts no the annual return which has it's clue in the word annual. People putting up arguments that don't fit the details that are being discussed or debated.[/p][/quote]TVOR Once again you get your facts mixed. I never mentioned anything about 21 months grace. I know that for a fact because I don't know anything about 21 months grace or accounts mumbo jumbo. I have as much interest in accounts as I do in BCFC, X Factor or Big brother. For that reason I don't follow them know anything about them or bother commenting about them My question to you though is Why do you waste your time and life commenting on the Bradford Bulls. Have you nothing else to do I know i've you this loads of times before but you NEVER give me an answer bradfordbronco
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9:59pm Sun 29 Jun 14

bradfordbronco says...

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
bradfordbronco wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
The RFL passed judgement.
An independant appeal was heard who upheld the judgement.
The club has twice dumped companies that ran the Bulls with substantial creditors and started with a clean slate.
Rules have been broken, act with dignity and let it lie.

Broncos are already planning for next season and although they haven't won a game this year, foundations are being laid to make a challenge for next year.

Fev, Halifax, Leigh are all looking to grab their chance to get promoted and are looking forwards not backwards.

Only Bradford are currently looking backwards and not forwards so when promotion and relegation is set to be decided next year, the Bulls could be caught napping.

There is every chance of promotion next year but the who club needs to be looking forward to next year and not backwards.
You really do love the RFL don't you. Why are you so concerned with what they might be hiding. The Appeal wasn't properly heard last time as at the last moment somebody decided the Bulls didn't meet the criteria for having the appeal heard after all. had they had word that the panel decided they should get the 6 points back so didn't the appeal to rule on it?

It wont help us stay up, but if we're going down lets take the RFL down with us.

Go for it Mr Green, Its the only way we'll get to find out what's really been going on

TVOR you get so "twitchy" whenever the RFL are criticised or about to be exposed. WHY?

I don;t care if we get 6 points back or not, we'll still be relegated, but lets have the truth out in the open
The truth.
Bulls had £2.6m written off in 2 admins.
They had £600k per year withheld in central funding as part of a punishment.
Khan made little to no effort to balance the books or cut costs.
He signed players like Carvell whilst he couldn't pay the wages of the team he alreadt had.
HMRC issued a winding up order which Whitcut passed off as an admon error.
HMRC issued a second winding up order in which Green put the club into admin.
Bronco verdict, Bulls troubles are all the RFL fault. Nothing of their own making.
Your like a Liverpool fan defending Suarez.
1. this latest appeal has got nothing to do with the previous administration or anything that happened prior to the Bulls going into and out of administration whilst their directors were in a meeting with representative of the RFL and reached a sticking point in trying to purchase the club from Omar Khan.

2. Who the hell is Suarez?

3. Why do you love the RFL. Nobody else does, anywhere within the game?

4 Why do bother commenting about the Bradford Bulls, They've got nothing to do with you?
[quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bradfordbronco[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: The RFL passed judgement. An independant appeal was heard who upheld the judgement. The club has twice dumped companies that ran the Bulls with substantial creditors and started with a clean slate. Rules have been broken, act with dignity and let it lie. Broncos are already planning for next season and although they haven't won a game this year, foundations are being laid to make a challenge for next year. Fev, Halifax, Leigh are all looking to grab their chance to get promoted and are looking forwards not backwards. Only Bradford are currently looking backwards and not forwards so when promotion and relegation is set to be decided next year, the Bulls could be caught napping. There is every chance of promotion next year but the who club needs to be looking forward to next year and not backwards.[/p][/quote]You really do love the RFL don't you. Why are you so concerned with what they might be hiding. The Appeal wasn't properly heard last time as at the last moment somebody decided the Bulls didn't meet the criteria for having the appeal heard after all. had they had word that the panel decided they should get the 6 points back so didn't the appeal to rule on it? It wont help us stay up, but if we're going down lets take the RFL down with us. Go for it Mr Green, Its the only way we'll get to find out what's really been going on TVOR you get so "twitchy" whenever the RFL are criticised or about to be exposed. WHY? I don;t care if we get 6 points back or not, we'll still be relegated, but lets have the truth out in the open[/p][/quote]The truth. Bulls had £2.6m written off in 2 admins. They had £600k per year withheld in central funding as part of a punishment. Khan made little to no effort to balance the books or cut costs. He signed players like Carvell whilst he couldn't pay the wages of the team he alreadt had. HMRC issued a winding up order which Whitcut passed off as an admon error. HMRC issued a second winding up order in which Green put the club into admin. Bronco verdict, Bulls troubles are all the RFL fault. Nothing of their own making. Your like a Liverpool fan defending Suarez.[/p][/quote]1. this latest appeal has got nothing to do with the previous administration or anything that happened prior to the Bulls going into and out of administration whilst their directors were in a meeting with representative of the RFL and reached a sticking point in trying to purchase the club from Omar Khan. 2. Who the hell is Suarez? 3. Why do you love the RFL. Nobody else does, anywhere within the game? 4 Why do bother commenting about the Bradford Bulls, They've got nothing to do with you? bradfordbronco
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10:46pm Mon 30 Jun 14

bradfordbronco says...

Till waiting for an answer........
Till waiting for an answer........ bradfordbronco
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