'Power grab' row as Labour takes control of majority of Council's scrutiny committees

Bradford Telegraph and Argus: Bradford City Hall Bradford City Hall

LABOUR councillors have been accused of a "power grab" after deciding to chair most of Bradford Council's powerful scrutiny committees themselves.

Angry opposition parties have now questioned how effective Labour councillors will be at holding their own bosses to account.

The Labour group, which won overall control of the Council in this year's local elections, today appointed its own councillors to chair three of the Council's five overview and scrutiny committees, which examine the decisions of the Labour-led Executive.

Last year, all but one of the scrutiny committees were chaired by non-Labour councillors - an arrangement set out in the Council's constitution - but at the Council's annual meeting, the Labour group pushed through a change to the constitution removing this requirement.

After the meeting, Liberal Democrat leader Councillor Jeanette Sunderland said: "This now makes a complete and utter mockery of scrutiny of decisions made behind closed doors by the Labour group.

"I am shocked, I am astounded. In almost 20 years on the Council I have never seen such a grab to get Council decision-making taken behind closed doors."

Councillor Glen Miller, leader of the Conservative group, said: "Labour could have taken them all. As it is, they have chosen to leave two - one with the Greens and one with us.

"Why they decided to do that, we can only guess. Whether they need the three votes of the Greens, only time will tell.

"As for the Executive being scrutinised by their own team, and looking at the chairmen they have appointed, again only time will tell whether they are going to fully scrutinise the Executive."

Councillor Imran Hussain, deputy leader of both the Labour group and Bradford Council, said for a year it had already had one Labour councillor chairing a scrutiny committee - Councillor Rizwan Malik on the Corporate scrutiny committee.

He defended yesterday's changes, saying: "When it was a Conservative and Liberal Democrat-run Council, there were similar arrangements."

Coun Hussain said when someone was chairing a scrutiny committee the important thing was that they did a "proper job", not what party they were from.

He said: "If we wanted to play that kind of politics, there's nothing stopping us taking all five of the scrutiny committees."

Tory Councillor Andrew Mallinson has been replaced with Labour's Councillor Ghazanfer Khaliq as chairman of the regeneration and economy overview and scrutiny committee.

Meanwhile, outgoing health and social care scrutiny chairman, Conservative Councillor Mike Gibbons has stepped down to become Lord Mayor. He has been replaced by Labour's Councillor Vanda Greenwood.

Councillor Malcolm Sykes (Con) remains chairman of the children's services overview and scrutiny committee, while Councillor Martin Love (Green) remains chairman of the environment and waste management overview and scrutiny committee.

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3:59pm Tue 10 Jun 14

sorrow&anger says...

Complete stitch up. City Hall knows that the coming year will be more than usually full of difficult decisions and there's a general election coming up. More importantly the scrutiny committees were one of the last ways ordinary ratepayers could lodge a complaint. It's goodbye democracy.
Complete stitch up. City Hall knows that the coming year will be more than usually full of difficult decisions and there's a general election coming up. More importantly the scrutiny committees were one of the last ways ordinary ratepayers could lodge a complaint. It's goodbye democracy. sorrow&anger
  • Score: 45

4:09pm Tue 10 Jun 14

blue marlin says...

we reap what we sow.
we reap what we sow. blue marlin
  • Score: 29

4:11pm Tue 10 Jun 14

bluebluerobin says...

It’s now clear that the Labour Group intends to use its absolute majority to remove itself from scrutiny and criticism so it can do whatever it likes. You could hardly want a better demonstration why voting Labour at the next election would be a big mistake.
It’s now clear that the Labour Group intends to use its absolute majority to remove itself from scrutiny and criticism so it can do whatever it likes. You could hardly want a better demonstration why voting Labour at the next election would be a big mistake. bluebluerobin
  • Score: 52

4:13pm Tue 10 Jun 14

MattLondon says...

This is standard political practice when a party has majority - this is not news!
This is standard political practice when a party has majority - this is not news! MattLondon
  • Score: 12

4:24pm Tue 10 Jun 14

gouldengirl says...

Councillor Mallinson is a sad loss. If ever anything needed non-partisan scrutiny at City Hall it was regeneration. Bradford is a dump, and Councillor Khaliq's appointment signals inaction on the centre and open season on the green fields of the periphery. Greedy developers rejoice!
Councillor Mallinson is a sad loss. If ever anything needed non-partisan scrutiny at City Hall it was regeneration. Bradford is a dump, and Councillor Khaliq's appointment signals inaction on the centre and open season on the green fields of the periphery. Greedy developers rejoice! gouldengirl
  • Score: 32

4:31pm Tue 10 Jun 14

bachtothefuture says...

MattLondon wrote:
This is standard political practice when a party has majority - this is not news!
I’m not sure it is standard practice, but even if it is, it is unacceptable. This is Labour marking it’s own homework. We can only assume that Cllr Green has some dodgy deals in the pipeline that he doesn’t want to see the light of day.
[quote][p][bold]MattLondon[/bold] wrote: This is standard political practice when a party has majority - this is not news![/p][/quote]I’m not sure it is standard practice, but even if it is, it is unacceptable. This is Labour marking it’s own homework. We can only assume that Cllr Green has some dodgy deals in the pipeline that he doesn’t want to see the light of day. bachtothefuture
  • Score: 25

4:38pm Tue 10 Jun 14

baildongreen says...

I’ve been Labour all my life but these days I find it impossible to support the Bradford Labour Party. It is a Stalinist clique determined to turn Bradford into a police state. Preferably an Islamic police state.
I’ve been Labour all my life but these days I find it impossible to support the Bradford Labour Party. It is a Stalinist clique determined to turn Bradford into a police state. Preferably an Islamic police state. baildongreen
  • Score: 35

5:15pm Tue 10 Jun 14

They only do damage! says...

Labour, been left to judge its own actions!!, Democracy my a**e.
Labour, been left to judge its own actions!!, Democracy my a**e. They only do damage!
  • Score: 18

5:19pm Tue 10 Jun 14

Olivermac says...

baildongreen wrote:
I’ve been Labour all my life but these days I find it impossible to support the Bradford Labour Party. It is a Stalinist clique determined to turn Bradford into a police state. Preferably an Islamic police state.
Agree totally UKIP here we come, I was a labour voter but not any more as the other comments they are marking there own homework no one will be able to question any mistakes or indeed one sided decision making by these so called labour councilors.
[quote][p][bold]baildongreen[/bold] wrote: I’ve been Labour all my life but these days I find it impossible to support the Bradford Labour Party. It is a Stalinist clique determined to turn Bradford into a police state. Preferably an Islamic police state.[/p][/quote]Agree totally UKIP here we come, I was a labour voter but not any more as the other comments they are marking there own homework no one will be able to question any mistakes or indeed one sided decision making by these so called labour councilors. Olivermac
  • Score: 29

5:45pm Tue 10 Jun 14

alive and awake says...

They only do damage! wrote:
Labour, been left to judge its own actions!!, Democracy my a**e.
When did Labour ever apply democracy? Well done Bradford you have got what you voted for.
One thing the recent elections have shown us is the fact that Labour should be more worried about UKIP than any of the other parties, I suspect old labour voters will be voting for Labour in their droves.
[quote][p][bold]They only do damage![/bold] wrote: Labour, been left to judge its own actions!!, Democracy my a**e.[/p][/quote]When did Labour ever apply democracy? Well done Bradford you have got what you voted for. One thing the recent elections have shown us is the fact that Labour should be more worried about UKIP than any of the other parties, I suspect old labour voters will be voting for Labour in their droves. alive and awake
  • Score: 24

6:28pm Tue 10 Jun 14

Yorkshire Lass says...

I would suggest that Councillor Glen Miller asks for a motion about this in Parliament. If ever there was something that "stinks" in local politics then this is a fine example together with the rest of the underhanded things that they cook up to their own advantage. Beggars belief that Green and cronies do not appear to be accountable to anyone.
I would suggest that Councillor Glen Miller asks for a motion about this in Parliament. If ever there was something that "stinks" in local politics then this is a fine example together with the rest of the underhanded things that they cook up to their own advantage. Beggars belief that Green and cronies do not appear to be accountable to anyone. Yorkshire Lass
  • Score: 21

6:53pm Tue 10 Jun 14

bcfc1903 says...

If the Conservatives and Liberal Democrats did this previously how can they complain, absolute hypocrisy. I'm quite sure the Labour councillors will do an excellent job.
If the Conservatives and Liberal Democrats did this previously how can they complain, absolute hypocrisy. I'm quite sure the Labour councillors will do an excellent job. bcfc1903
  • Score: -21

7:05pm Tue 10 Jun 14

pcmanners says...

bcfc1903 wrote:
If the Conservatives and Liberal Democrats did this previously how can they complain, absolute hypocrisy. I'm quite sure the Labour councillors will do an excellent job.
You are clearly a misguided socialist happy to live in a police state.
[quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: If the Conservatives and Liberal Democrats did this previously how can they complain, absolute hypocrisy. I'm quite sure the Labour councillors will do an excellent job.[/p][/quote]You are clearly a misguided socialist happy to live in a police state. pcmanners
  • Score: 21

9:03pm Tue 10 Jun 14

Cityman23 says...

pcmanners wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote:
If the Conservatives and Liberal Democrats did this previously how can they complain, absolute hypocrisy. I'm quite sure the Labour councillors will do an excellent job.
You are clearly a misguided socialist happy to live in a police state.
Great to see a non-Conservative/ UKIP council in Bradford. How it must annoy all you right-wingers!!!

The Conservative-dominat
ed coalition cares little for the less well -off and austerity is a cover to allow the rich to get richer as the poor get poorer. All the critics on here who are right wing Tories or right wing UKIP supporters ignore that, but my goodness they give Labour a good kicking when and whenever for anything!

The Tories are destroying the NHS as a public free at point of need service. How come these people don't criticise THAT!

..................SI
LENCE!!!!!!!!!

And yes I am a left winger. Why don't you of the rabid right admit what you are!
[quote][p][bold]pcmanners[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: If the Conservatives and Liberal Democrats did this previously how can they complain, absolute hypocrisy. I'm quite sure the Labour councillors will do an excellent job.[/p][/quote]You are clearly a misguided socialist happy to live in a police state.[/p][/quote]Great to see a non-Conservative/ UKIP council in Bradford. How it must annoy all you right-wingers!!! The Conservative-dominat ed coalition cares little for the less well -off and austerity is a cover to allow the rich to get richer as the poor get poorer. All the critics on here who are right wing Tories or right wing UKIP supporters ignore that, but my goodness they give Labour a good kicking when and whenever for anything! The Tories are destroying the NHS as a public free at point of need service. How come these people don't criticise THAT! ..................SI LENCE!!!!!!!!! And yes I am a left winger. Why don't you of the rabid right admit what you are! Cityman23
  • Score: 0

9:04pm Tue 10 Jun 14

Alhaurinrhino says...

Trojan Horse
Trojan Horse Alhaurinrhino
  • Score: 10

9:06pm Tue 10 Jun 14

Reality50 says...

If anyone doubted that Muslims run Bradford then read this story. The Bradford Labour Party may as well be the Bradford Muslim Party.
If anyone doubted that Muslims run Bradford then read this story. The Bradford Labour Party may as well be the Bradford Muslim Party. Reality50
  • Score: 14

9:10pm Tue 10 Jun 14

OLDLAD says...

Now that liabour control the council completely will they now go after those that owe the millions in council tax or will they just put up the bill of those who pay?
Now that liabour control the council completely will they now go after those that owe the millions in council tax or will they just put up the bill of those who pay? OLDLAD
  • Score: 10

9:19pm Tue 10 Jun 14

spearmint wino says...

Don't you sometime wish the T&A allowed comments on all news articles like the report of the 100mph car chase?
Don't you sometime wish the T&A allowed comments on all news articles like the report of the 100mph car chase? spearmint wino
  • Score: 12

9:19pm Tue 10 Jun 14

Cityman23 says...

..though cowards flinch and traitors (and right wing Tory/UKIP supporters) sneer............we'
ll keep the red flag flying here...(over City Hall!!!!)
..though cowards flinch and traitors (and right wing Tory/UKIP supporters) sneer............we' ll keep the red flag flying here...(over City Hall!!!!) Cityman23
  • Score: -11

9:25pm Tue 10 Jun 14

Reality50 says...

As for those that believe UKIP will be a force in Bradford,forget it. There simply aren't enough white people left in the inner city areas to vote for them plus statistically the Muslims vote in much higher numbers percentage wise. Add to that,the recent Eastern European invasion into the city,and frankly there is no chance of anyone outside of Labour or maybe Respect evr getting voted in within 3 miles of the city centre. UKIP will probably do well in places like Leeds or Huddersfield in the future as the population demographics of those areas give them a chance but in Bradford the Muslim block vote,added to the East Europeans plus lefty students etc means UKIP are a dead duck.
As for those that believe UKIP will be a force in Bradford,forget it. There simply aren't enough white people left in the inner city areas to vote for them plus statistically the Muslims vote in much higher numbers percentage wise. Add to that,the recent Eastern European invasion into the city,and frankly there is no chance of anyone outside of Labour or maybe Respect evr getting voted in within 3 miles of the city centre. UKIP will probably do well in places like Leeds or Huddersfield in the future as the population demographics of those areas give them a chance but in Bradford the Muslim block vote,added to the East Europeans plus lefty students etc means UKIP are a dead duck. Reality50
  • Score: 13

9:55pm Tue 10 Jun 14

bcfc1903 says...

pcmanners wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote:
If the Conservatives and Liberal Democrats did this previously how can they complain, absolute hypocrisy. I'm quite sure the Labour councillors will do an excellent job.
You are clearly a misguided socialist happy to live in a police state.
Having seen the mess Kris Hopkins-Hole left , his party certainly wont be seeing my vote again any time soon. The fella's a complete tool unlike his compatriot John Pennington who is excellent and is a champion of Bradford. It's all about trust and as far as the well being of the City of Bradford is concerned I'll continue to back the excellent Labour Council lead by the equally impressive David Green.
[quote][p][bold]pcmanners[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: If the Conservatives and Liberal Democrats did this previously how can they complain, absolute hypocrisy. I'm quite sure the Labour councillors will do an excellent job.[/p][/quote]You are clearly a misguided socialist happy to live in a police state.[/p][/quote]Having seen the mess Kris Hopkins-Hole left , his party certainly wont be seeing my vote again any time soon. The fella's a complete tool unlike his compatriot John Pennington who is excellent and is a champion of Bradford. It's all about trust and as far as the well being of the City of Bradford is concerned I'll continue to back the excellent Labour Council lead by the equally impressive David Green. bcfc1903
  • Score: -7

9:57pm Tue 10 Jun 14

Victor Clayton says...

Cityman23 wrote:
..though cowards flinch and traitors (and right wing Tory/UKIP supporters) sneer............we'

ll keep the red flag flying here...(over City Hall!!!!)
Thing is Cityman23, it doesn't work though. Does it?
[quote][p][bold]Cityman23[/bold] wrote: ..though cowards flinch and traitors (and right wing Tory/UKIP supporters) sneer............we' ll keep the red flag flying here...(over City Hall!!!!)[/p][/quote]Thing is Cityman23, it doesn't work though. Does it? Victor Clayton
  • Score: 5

9:59pm Tue 10 Jun 14

Victor Clayton says...

Cityman23 wrote:
..though cowards flinch and traitors (and right wing Tory/UKIP supporters) sneer............we'

ll keep the red flag flying here...(over City Hall!!!!)
Thing is Cityman23, it doesn't work though. Does it?
[quote][p][bold]Cityman23[/bold] wrote: ..though cowards flinch and traitors (and right wing Tory/UKIP supporters) sneer............we' ll keep the red flag flying here...(over City Hall!!!!)[/p][/quote]Thing is Cityman23, it doesn't work though. Does it? Victor Clayton
  • Score: 3

10:01pm Tue 10 Jun 14

Victor Clayton says...

bcfc1903 wrote:
If the Conservatives and Liberal Democrats did this previously how can they complain, absolute hypocrisy. I'm quite sure the Labour councillors will do an excellent job.
I don't know for sure, but if Labour had to change the constitution it suggests that the others were not doing it.
[quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: If the Conservatives and Liberal Democrats did this previously how can they complain, absolute hypocrisy. I'm quite sure the Labour councillors will do an excellent job.[/p][/quote]I don't know for sure, but if Labour had to change the constitution it suggests that the others were not doing it. Victor Clayton
  • Score: 9

10:01pm Tue 10 Jun 14

fabricator666 says...

Reality50 wrote:
As for those that believe UKIP will be a force in Bradford,forget it. There simply aren't enough white people left in the inner city areas to vote for them plus statistically the Muslims vote in much higher numbers percentage wise. Add to that,the recent Eastern European invasion into the city,and frankly there is no chance of anyone outside of Labour or maybe Respect evr getting voted in within 3 miles of the city centre. UKIP will probably do well in places like Leeds or Huddersfield in the future as the population demographics of those areas give them a chance but in Bradford the Muslim block vote,added to the East Europeans plus lefty students etc means UKIP are a dead duck.
Got it in one matey. Bradford is just a third world ghetto. You don't need to travel far to realise how far our once proud city has fallen. I wonder why?
With labour running it, it will get worse. A lot worse
[quote][p][bold]Reality50[/bold] wrote: As for those that believe UKIP will be a force in Bradford,forget it. There simply aren't enough white people left in the inner city areas to vote for them plus statistically the Muslims vote in much higher numbers percentage wise. Add to that,the recent Eastern European invasion into the city,and frankly there is no chance of anyone outside of Labour or maybe Respect evr getting voted in within 3 miles of the city centre. UKIP will probably do well in places like Leeds or Huddersfield in the future as the population demographics of those areas give them a chance but in Bradford the Muslim block vote,added to the East Europeans plus lefty students etc means UKIP are a dead duck.[/p][/quote]Got it in one matey. Bradford is just a third world ghetto. You don't need to travel far to realise how far our once proud city has fallen. I wonder why? With labour running it, it will get worse. A lot worse fabricator666
  • Score: 8

10:11pm Tue 10 Jun 14

bcfc1903 says...

Victor Clayton wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote:
If the Conservatives and Liberal Democrats did this previously how can they complain, absolute hypocrisy. I'm quite sure the Labour councillors will do an excellent job.
I don't know for sure, but if Labour had to change the constitution it suggests that the others were not doing it.
Maybe they also changed the constitution. Hell we don't need telling what's right from a Conservative party that had a Conservative as Mayor two years on the bounce or was it more?. Truly shocking from a party that proves time and time again that they are not fit to run our great city.
[quote][p][bold]Victor Clayton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: If the Conservatives and Liberal Democrats did this previously how can they complain, absolute hypocrisy. I'm quite sure the Labour councillors will do an excellent job.[/p][/quote]I don't know for sure, but if Labour had to change the constitution it suggests that the others were not doing it.[/p][/quote]Maybe they also changed the constitution. Hell we don't need telling what's right from a Conservative party that had a Conservative as Mayor two years on the bounce or was it more?. Truly shocking from a party that proves time and time again that they are not fit to run our great city. bcfc1903
  • Score: -5

10:15pm Tue 10 Jun 14

Grumpygirl says...

Cityman23 wrote:
pcmanners wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote:
If the Conservatives and Liberal Democrats did this previously how can they complain, absolute hypocrisy. I'm quite sure the Labour councillors will do an excellent job.
You are clearly a misguided socialist happy to live in a police state.
Great to see a non-Conservative/ UKIP council in Bradford. How it must annoy all you right-wingers!!!

The Conservative-dominat

ed coalition cares little for the less well -off and austerity is a cover to allow the rich to get richer as the poor get poorer. All the critics on here who are right wing Tories or right wing UKIP supporters ignore that, but my goodness they give Labour a good kicking when and whenever for anything!

The Tories are destroying the NHS as a public free at point of need service. How come these people don't criticise THAT!

..................SI

LENCE!!!!!!!!!

And yes I am a left winger. Why don't you of the rabid right admit what you are!
I’m an old fashioned left winger too. A Marxist with some of the edges smoothed down by age.

A (very) small part of me is glad that Labour is in power. It would be a much larger part if Cllr Green actually stood up, outlined, and stuck to a socialist agenda for this city. But Cllr Green doesn’t know what socialism is. The party he fronts has become a machine for taking pragmatic decisions solely designed to support, and enrich, the elite cliques of insiders that rule the party.

I left the Bradford Labour because it had betrayed all of the principles it was supposed to stand for. Name one original, truly socialist policy, that has been introduced by Cllr Green.

Bradford’s dereliction is a direct result of this lack of vision and principle. Cllr Green’s systematic silencing of the opposition and avoidance of the democratic burden is directly Stalinist. No good will come of it. You have to be an exceptional man to wield absolute power without coming to grief. Cllr Green is not an exceptional man.
[quote][p][bold]Cityman23[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pcmanners[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: If the Conservatives and Liberal Democrats did this previously how can they complain, absolute hypocrisy. I'm quite sure the Labour councillors will do an excellent job.[/p][/quote]You are clearly a misguided socialist happy to live in a police state.[/p][/quote]Great to see a non-Conservative/ UKIP council in Bradford. How it must annoy all you right-wingers!!! The Conservative-dominat ed coalition cares little for the less well -off and austerity is a cover to allow the rich to get richer as the poor get poorer. All the critics on here who are right wing Tories or right wing UKIP supporters ignore that, but my goodness they give Labour a good kicking when and whenever for anything! The Tories are destroying the NHS as a public free at point of need service. How come these people don't criticise THAT! ..................SI LENCE!!!!!!!!! And yes I am a left winger. Why don't you of the rabid right admit what you are![/p][/quote]I’m an old fashioned left winger too. A Marxist with some of the edges smoothed down by age. A (very) small part of me is glad that Labour is in power. It would be a much larger part if Cllr Green actually stood up, outlined, and stuck to a socialist agenda for this city. But Cllr Green doesn’t know what socialism is. The party he fronts has become a machine for taking pragmatic decisions solely designed to support, and enrich, the elite cliques of insiders that rule the party. I left the Bradford Labour because it had betrayed all of the principles it was supposed to stand for. Name one original, truly socialist policy, that has been introduced by Cllr Green. Bradford’s dereliction is a direct result of this lack of vision and principle. Cllr Green’s systematic silencing of the opposition and avoidance of the democratic burden is directly Stalinist. No good will come of it. You have to be an exceptional man to wield absolute power without coming to grief. Cllr Green is not an exceptional man. Grumpygirl
  • Score: 14

10:23pm Tue 10 Jun 14

Cityman23 says...

Victor Clayton wrote:
Cityman23 wrote:
..though cowards flinch and traitors (and right wing Tory/UKIP supporters) sneer............we'


ll keep the red flag flying here...(over City Hall!!!!)
Thing is Cityman23, it doesn't work though. Does it?
The point is no-one who comes on here is unbiased. Everyone here has an agenda, whether it be to down Labour, or praise them.

Those that pose as Mr/Mrs reasonable attacking Labour at every turn are I am sure right-wing in their politics and if Labour was to lower council tax, give everyone £100 and a free holiday they'd still be claiming it wasn't enough and they didn't like the destination!!

Everyone who comes on here should say on which side of the fence they're on before posting a comment, and then we'd know their 'angle' because they all most certainly have one!!! I am happy to admit I do , for one!

Democratic Socialism can and does work. Eg Scandinavia. In fact many people who come on here who whinge and complain have benefited as have their fathers, grandparents from socialist measures eg the founding of the NHS.

The Tory view of let the market decide everything and let rip came unstuck in 2008 and capitalism is still not working.
[quote][p][bold]Victor Clayton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cityman23[/bold] wrote: ..though cowards flinch and traitors (and right wing Tory/UKIP supporters) sneer............we' ll keep the red flag flying here...(over City Hall!!!!)[/p][/quote]Thing is Cityman23, it doesn't work though. Does it?[/p][/quote]The point is no-one who comes on here is unbiased. Everyone here has an agenda, whether it be to down Labour, or praise them. Those that pose as Mr/Mrs reasonable attacking Labour at every turn are I am sure right-wing in their politics and if Labour was to lower council tax, give everyone £100 and a free holiday they'd still be claiming it wasn't enough and they didn't like the destination!! Everyone who comes on here should say on which side of the fence they're on before posting a comment, and then we'd know their 'angle' because they all most certainly have one!!! I am happy to admit I do , for one! Democratic Socialism can and does work. Eg Scandinavia. In fact many people who come on here who whinge and complain have benefited as have their fathers, grandparents from socialist measures eg the founding of the NHS. The Tory view of let the market decide everything and let rip came unstuck in 2008 and capitalism is still not working. Cityman23
  • Score: 1

10:35pm Tue 10 Jun 14

Cityman23 says...

How many remember a certain Mayor Pickles (Conservative) who used his casting vote in a nakedly partisan fashion to force through polarising Tory policies when both Labour/ Tories had the same number of councillors on the council?
How many remember a certain Mayor Pickles (Conservative) who used his casting vote in a nakedly partisan fashion to force through polarising Tory policies when both Labour/ Tories had the same number of councillors on the council? Cityman23
  • Score: 3

10:37pm Tue 10 Jun 14

Victor Clayton says...

Cityman23 wrote:
Victor Clayton wrote:
Cityman23 wrote:
..though cowards flinch and traitors (and right wing Tory/UKIP supporters) sneer............we'



ll keep the red flag flying here...(over City Hall!!!!)
Thing is Cityman23, it doesn't work though. Does it?
The point is no-one who comes on here is unbiased. Everyone here has an agenda, whether it be to down Labour, or praise them.

Those that pose as Mr/Mrs reasonable attacking Labour at every turn are I am sure right-wing in their politics and if Labour was to lower council tax, give everyone £100 and a free holiday they'd still be claiming it wasn't enough and they didn't like the destination!!

Everyone who comes on here should say on which side of the fence they're on before posting a comment, and then we'd know their 'angle' because they all most certainly have one!!! I am happy to admit I do , for one!

Democratic Socialism can and does work. Eg Scandinavia. In fact many people who come on here who whinge and complain have benefited as have their fathers, grandparents from socialist measures eg the founding of the NHS.

The Tory view of let the market decide everything and let rip came unstuck in 2008 and capitalism is still not working.
I am a Tory. I only have experience of Norway, but I can tell you that if it didn't have oil it is so inefficient it would be a flop. Re the NHS, I agree with the experts that say it is like an all you can eat buffet. People take more than they need, and without having to put anything in (and imo one of the main reasons half the world want to come here). No one has a health system like ours. Are the others, like Germany rubbish?
How many of the policies of 2008 did Labour reverse? Not many. Why?
[quote][p][bold]Cityman23[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Victor Clayton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cityman23[/bold] wrote: ..though cowards flinch and traitors (and right wing Tory/UKIP supporters) sneer............we' ll keep the red flag flying here...(over City Hall!!!!)[/p][/quote]Thing is Cityman23, it doesn't work though. Does it?[/p][/quote]The point is no-one who comes on here is unbiased. Everyone here has an agenda, whether it be to down Labour, or praise them. Those that pose as Mr/Mrs reasonable attacking Labour at every turn are I am sure right-wing in their politics and if Labour was to lower council tax, give everyone £100 and a free holiday they'd still be claiming it wasn't enough and they didn't like the destination!! Everyone who comes on here should say on which side of the fence they're on before posting a comment, and then we'd know their 'angle' because they all most certainly have one!!! I am happy to admit I do , for one! Democratic Socialism can and does work. Eg Scandinavia. In fact many people who come on here who whinge and complain have benefited as have their fathers, grandparents from socialist measures eg the founding of the NHS. The Tory view of let the market decide everything and let rip came unstuck in 2008 and capitalism is still not working.[/p][/quote]I am a Tory. I only have experience of Norway, but I can tell you that if it didn't have oil it is so inefficient it would be a flop. Re the NHS, I agree with the experts that say it is like an all you can eat buffet. People take more than they need, and without having to put anything in (and imo one of the main reasons half the world want to come here). No one has a health system like ours. Are the others, like Germany rubbish? How many of the policies of 2008 did Labour reverse? Not many. Why? Victor Clayton
  • Score: 2

10:41pm Tue 10 Jun 14

Victor Clayton says...

bcfc1903 wrote:
Victor Clayton wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote:
If the Conservatives and Liberal Democrats did this previously how can they complain, absolute hypocrisy. I'm quite sure the Labour councillors will do an excellent job.
I don't know for sure, but if Labour had to change the constitution it suggests that the others were not doing it.
Maybe they also changed the constitution. Hell we don't need telling what's right from a Conservative party that had a Conservative as Mayor two years on the bounce or was it more?. Truly shocking from a party that proves time and time again that they are not fit to run our great city.
I think if the torys had done the same it would not be a story!
[quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Victor Clayton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: If the Conservatives and Liberal Democrats did this previously how can they complain, absolute hypocrisy. I'm quite sure the Labour councillors will do an excellent job.[/p][/quote]I don't know for sure, but if Labour had to change the constitution it suggests that the others were not doing it.[/p][/quote]Maybe they also changed the constitution. Hell we don't need telling what's right from a Conservative party that had a Conservative as Mayor two years on the bounce or was it more?. Truly shocking from a party that proves time and time again that they are not fit to run our great city.[/p][/quote]I think if the torys had done the same it would not be a story! Victor Clayton
  • Score: 8

10:42pm Tue 10 Jun 14

FinlandStation says...

Grumpygirl wrote:
Cityman23 wrote:
pcmanners wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote:
If the Conservatives and Liberal Democrats did this previously how can they complain, absolute hypocrisy. I'm quite sure the Labour councillors will do an excellent job.
You are clearly a misguided socialist happy to live in a police state.
Great to see a non-Conservative/ UKIP council in Bradford. How it must annoy all you right-wingers!!!

The Conservative-dominat


ed coalition cares little for the less well -off and austerity is a cover to allow the rich to get richer as the poor get poorer. All the critics on here who are right wing Tories or right wing UKIP supporters ignore that, but my goodness they give Labour a good kicking when and whenever for anything!

The Tories are destroying the NHS as a public free at point of need service. How come these people don't criticise THAT!

..................SI


LENCE!!!!!!!!!

And yes I am a left winger. Why don't you of the rabid right admit what you are!
I’m an old fashioned left winger too. A Marxist with some of the edges smoothed down by age.

A (very) small part of me is glad that Labour is in power. It would be a much larger part if Cllr Green actually stood up, outlined, and stuck to a socialist agenda for this city. But Cllr Green doesn’t know what socialism is. The party he fronts has become a machine for taking pragmatic decisions solely designed to support, and enrich, the elite cliques of insiders that rule the party.

I left the Bradford Labour because it had betrayed all of the principles it was supposed to stand for. Name one original, truly socialist policy, that has been introduced by Cllr Green.

Bradford’s dereliction is a direct result of this lack of vision and principle. Cllr Green’s systematic silencing of the opposition and avoidance of the democratic burden is directly Stalinist. No good will come of it. You have to be an exceptional man to wield absolute power without coming to grief. Cllr Green is not an exceptional man.
I just caught this. I used to be in the party as well. We must have known each other

I know exactly what you are talking about. All the “policy” made by the inner group that wasn’t discussed, the promises made to the Mirpuri godfathers that will yet bite this city in the bum, the parochialism, the inability to see the big picture, the neglect of the national party. And above all the unseemly scramble for the nice little earners that made our Councillors look like backstreet car dealers rather than standard bearers of the revolution.

There’s too much business as usual and not enough reforming zeal. I agree with you, Bradford’s decline is Labour’s shame.

We need a proper Labour Party in Bradford. A fresh start without all the baggage.
[quote][p][bold]Grumpygirl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cityman23[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pcmanners[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: If the Conservatives and Liberal Democrats did this previously how can they complain, absolute hypocrisy. I'm quite sure the Labour councillors will do an excellent job.[/p][/quote]You are clearly a misguided socialist happy to live in a police state.[/p][/quote]Great to see a non-Conservative/ UKIP council in Bradford. How it must annoy all you right-wingers!!! The Conservative-dominat ed coalition cares little for the less well -off and austerity is a cover to allow the rich to get richer as the poor get poorer. All the critics on here who are right wing Tories or right wing UKIP supporters ignore that, but my goodness they give Labour a good kicking when and whenever for anything! The Tories are destroying the NHS as a public free at point of need service. How come these people don't criticise THAT! ..................SI LENCE!!!!!!!!! And yes I am a left winger. Why don't you of the rabid right admit what you are![/p][/quote]I’m an old fashioned left winger too. A Marxist with some of the edges smoothed down by age. A (very) small part of me is glad that Labour is in power. It would be a much larger part if Cllr Green actually stood up, outlined, and stuck to a socialist agenda for this city. But Cllr Green doesn’t know what socialism is. The party he fronts has become a machine for taking pragmatic decisions solely designed to support, and enrich, the elite cliques of insiders that rule the party. I left the Bradford Labour because it had betrayed all of the principles it was supposed to stand for. Name one original, truly socialist policy, that has been introduced by Cllr Green. Bradford’s dereliction is a direct result of this lack of vision and principle. Cllr Green’s systematic silencing of the opposition and avoidance of the democratic burden is directly Stalinist. No good will come of it. You have to be an exceptional man to wield absolute power without coming to grief. Cllr Green is not an exceptional man.[/p][/quote]I just caught this. I used to be in the party as well. We must have known each other I know exactly what you are talking about. All the “policy” made by the inner group that wasn’t discussed, the promises made to the Mirpuri godfathers that will yet bite this city in the bum, the parochialism, the inability to see the big picture, the neglect of the national party. And above all the unseemly scramble for the nice little earners that made our Councillors look like backstreet car dealers rather than standard bearers of the revolution. There’s too much business as usual and not enough reforming zeal. I agree with you, Bradford’s decline is Labour’s shame. We need a proper Labour Party in Bradford. A fresh start without all the baggage. FinlandStation
  • Score: 6

10:46pm Tue 10 Jun 14

Cityman23 says...

Grumpygirl wrote:
Cityman23 wrote:
pcmanners wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote:
If the Conservatives and Liberal Democrats did this previously how can they complain, absolute hypocrisy. I'm quite sure the Labour councillors will do an excellent job.
You are clearly a misguided socialist happy to live in a police state.
Great to see a non-Conservative/ UKIP council in Bradford. How it must annoy all you right-wingers!!!

The Conservative-dominat


ed coalition cares little for the less well -off and austerity is a cover to allow the rich to get richer as the poor get poorer. All the critics on here who are right wing Tories or right wing UKIP supporters ignore that, but my goodness they give Labour a good kicking when and whenever for anything!

The Tories are destroying the NHS as a public free at point of need service. How come these people don't criticise THAT!

..................SI


LENCE!!!!!!!!!

And yes I am a left winger. Why don't you of the rabid right admit what you are!
I’m an old fashioned left winger too. A Marxist with some of the edges smoothed down by age.

A (very) small part of me is glad that Labour is in power. It would be a much larger part if Cllr Green actually stood up, outlined, and stuck to a socialist agenda for this city. But Cllr Green doesn’t know what socialism is. The party he fronts has become a machine for taking pragmatic decisions solely designed to support, and enrich, the elite cliques of insiders that rule the party.

I left the Bradford Labour because it had betrayed all of the principles it was supposed to stand for. Name one original, truly socialist policy, that has been introduced by Cllr Green.

Bradford’s dereliction is a direct result of this lack of vision and principle. Cllr Green’s systematic silencing of the opposition and avoidance of the democratic burden is directly Stalinist. No good will come of it. You have to be an exceptional man to wield absolute power without coming to grief. Cllr Green is not an exceptional man.
I take your point about Labour but the braying voices on here who want to see Tory or UKIP policies put into practice sure aint gonna take you anywhere near to socialism either. In fact a heck of a lot further away I'd have thought.

The irony is that many who claim to support UKIP don't even know what all their policies are.

Eg flat rate income tax where Wayne Rooney would pay the same as someone on an average wage.

Or the fact UKIP would prefer to see the NHS scrapped.

Or that they deny man-made climate change.

Need I go on?!!
[quote][p][bold]Grumpygirl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cityman23[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pcmanners[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: If the Conservatives and Liberal Democrats did this previously how can they complain, absolute hypocrisy. I'm quite sure the Labour councillors will do an excellent job.[/p][/quote]You are clearly a misguided socialist happy to live in a police state.[/p][/quote]Great to see a non-Conservative/ UKIP council in Bradford. How it must annoy all you right-wingers!!! The Conservative-dominat ed coalition cares little for the less well -off and austerity is a cover to allow the rich to get richer as the poor get poorer. All the critics on here who are right wing Tories or right wing UKIP supporters ignore that, but my goodness they give Labour a good kicking when and whenever for anything! The Tories are destroying the NHS as a public free at point of need service. How come these people don't criticise THAT! ..................SI LENCE!!!!!!!!! And yes I am a left winger. Why don't you of the rabid right admit what you are![/p][/quote]I’m an old fashioned left winger too. A Marxist with some of the edges smoothed down by age. A (very) small part of me is glad that Labour is in power. It would be a much larger part if Cllr Green actually stood up, outlined, and stuck to a socialist agenda for this city. But Cllr Green doesn’t know what socialism is. The party he fronts has become a machine for taking pragmatic decisions solely designed to support, and enrich, the elite cliques of insiders that rule the party. I left the Bradford Labour because it had betrayed all of the principles it was supposed to stand for. Name one original, truly socialist policy, that has been introduced by Cllr Green. Bradford’s dereliction is a direct result of this lack of vision and principle. Cllr Green’s systematic silencing of the opposition and avoidance of the democratic burden is directly Stalinist. No good will come of it. You have to be an exceptional man to wield absolute power without coming to grief. Cllr Green is not an exceptional man.[/p][/quote]I take your point about Labour but the braying voices on here who want to see Tory or UKIP policies put into practice sure aint gonna take you anywhere near to socialism either. In fact a heck of a lot further away I'd have thought. The irony is that many who claim to support UKIP don't even know what all their policies are. Eg flat rate income tax where Wayne Rooney would pay the same as someone on an average wage. Or the fact UKIP would prefer to see the NHS scrapped. Or that they deny man-made climate change. Need I go on?!! Cityman23
  • Score: 7

10:47pm Tue 10 Jun 14

Cityman23 says...

Grumpygirl wrote:
Cityman23 wrote:
pcmanners wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote:
If the Conservatives and Liberal Democrats did this previously how can they complain, absolute hypocrisy. I'm quite sure the Labour councillors will do an excellent job.
You are clearly a misguided socialist happy to live in a police state.
Great to see a non-Conservative/ UKIP council in Bradford. How it must annoy all you right-wingers!!!

The Conservative-dominat


ed coalition cares little for the less well -off and austerity is a cover to allow the rich to get richer as the poor get poorer. All the critics on here who are right wing Tories or right wing UKIP supporters ignore that, but my goodness they give Labour a good kicking when and whenever for anything!

The Tories are destroying the NHS as a public free at point of need service. How come these people don't criticise THAT!

..................SI


LENCE!!!!!!!!!

And yes I am a left winger. Why don't you of the rabid right admit what you are!
I’m an old fashioned left winger too. A Marxist with some of the edges smoothed down by age.

A (very) small part of me is glad that Labour is in power. It would be a much larger part if Cllr Green actually stood up, outlined, and stuck to a socialist agenda for this city. But Cllr Green doesn’t know what socialism is. The party he fronts has become a machine for taking pragmatic decisions solely designed to support, and enrich, the elite cliques of insiders that rule the party.

I left the Bradford Labour because it had betrayed all of the principles it was supposed to stand for. Name one original, truly socialist policy, that has been introduced by Cllr Green.

Bradford’s dereliction is a direct result of this lack of vision and principle. Cllr Green’s systematic silencing of the opposition and avoidance of the democratic burden is directly Stalinist. No good will come of it. You have to be an exceptional man to wield absolute power without coming to grief. Cllr Green is not an exceptional man.
I take your point about Labour but the braying voices on here who want to see Tory or UKIP policies put into practice sure aint gonna take you anywhere near to socialism either. In fact a heck of a lot further away I'd have thought.

The irony is that many who claim to support UKIP don't even know what all their policies are.

Eg flat rate income tax where Wayne Rooney would pay the same as someone on an average wage.

Or the fact UKIP would prefer to see the NHS scrapped.

Or that they deny man-made climate change.

Need I go on?!!
[quote][p][bold]Grumpygirl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cityman23[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pcmanners[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: If the Conservatives and Liberal Democrats did this previously how can they complain, absolute hypocrisy. I'm quite sure the Labour councillors will do an excellent job.[/p][/quote]You are clearly a misguided socialist happy to live in a police state.[/p][/quote]Great to see a non-Conservative/ UKIP council in Bradford. How it must annoy all you right-wingers!!! The Conservative-dominat ed coalition cares little for the less well -off and austerity is a cover to allow the rich to get richer as the poor get poorer. All the critics on here who are right wing Tories or right wing UKIP supporters ignore that, but my goodness they give Labour a good kicking when and whenever for anything! The Tories are destroying the NHS as a public free at point of need service. How come these people don't criticise THAT! ..................SI LENCE!!!!!!!!! And yes I am a left winger. Why don't you of the rabid right admit what you are![/p][/quote]I’m an old fashioned left winger too. A Marxist with some of the edges smoothed down by age. A (very) small part of me is glad that Labour is in power. It would be a much larger part if Cllr Green actually stood up, outlined, and stuck to a socialist agenda for this city. But Cllr Green doesn’t know what socialism is. The party he fronts has become a machine for taking pragmatic decisions solely designed to support, and enrich, the elite cliques of insiders that rule the party. I left the Bradford Labour because it had betrayed all of the principles it was supposed to stand for. Name one original, truly socialist policy, that has been introduced by Cllr Green. Bradford’s dereliction is a direct result of this lack of vision and principle. Cllr Green’s systematic silencing of the opposition and avoidance of the democratic burden is directly Stalinist. No good will come of it. You have to be an exceptional man to wield absolute power without coming to grief. Cllr Green is not an exceptional man.[/p][/quote]I take your point about Labour but the braying voices on here who want to see Tory or UKIP policies put into practice sure aint gonna take you anywhere near to socialism either. In fact a heck of a lot further away I'd have thought. The irony is that many who claim to support UKIP don't even know what all their policies are. Eg flat rate income tax where Wayne Rooney would pay the same as someone on an average wage. Or the fact UKIP would prefer to see the NHS scrapped. Or that they deny man-made climate change. Need I go on?!! Cityman23
  • Score: 4

3:21am Wed 11 Jun 14

James lofthous says...

We'll reading this article made me think that I have made a mistake by voting labour well next elections I will be voting for the respect party (George Galloway) they the only opposition party who fights against labour like the respect party says it's time for a change well I think so it is these labour goons won't change politics in bradford has gone dirty bradford council is the worst council In Britton I think so no rules no morels no respect lets all vote respect 2015
We'll reading this article made me think that I have made a mistake by voting labour well next elections I will be voting for the respect party (George Galloway) they the only opposition party who fights against labour like the respect party says it's time for a change well I think so it is these labour goons won't change politics in bradford has gone dirty bradford council is the worst council In Britton I think so no rules no morels no respect lets all vote respect 2015 James lofthous
  • Score: -6

3:59am Wed 11 Jun 14

Reality50 says...

James lofthous wrote:
We'll reading this article made me think that I have made a mistake by voting labour well next elections I will be voting for the respect party (George Galloway) they the only opposition party who fights against labour like the respect party says it's time for a change well I think so it is these labour goons won't change politics in bradford has gone dirty bradford council is the worst council In Britton I think so no rules no morels no respect lets all vote respect 2015
Take it you want sharia law then? Why would any non Muslim vote for the Respect Party? I am assuming you aren't Muslim but if you are then fair enough.
[quote][p][bold]James lofthous[/bold] wrote: We'll reading this article made me think that I have made a mistake by voting labour well next elections I will be voting for the respect party (George Galloway) they the only opposition party who fights against labour like the respect party says it's time for a change well I think so it is these labour goons won't change politics in bradford has gone dirty bradford council is the worst council In Britton I think so no rules no morels no respect lets all vote respect 2015[/p][/quote]Take it you want sharia law then? Why would any non Muslim vote for the Respect Party? I am assuming you aren't Muslim but if you are then fair enough. Reality50
  • Score: 1

5:56am Wed 11 Jun 14

James lofthous says...

I am a catholic I don't want sharia law neither do they your just being selfish there,Read the policy's go ask a Muslim if they want sharia law the answer will be no,Most people have been brain washed by people saying Muslims want sharia law yes you might get a few but most people who I've spoken to said no,What has the Respect Party got to do with this when Galloway stud up as an Mp everybody voted him no just Asians all bradford west that includes all faiths So think about what you say,Just because Asians follow George galloway doesn't mean we hate him,I think he has done a great job being an Mp In Bradford all the councillors started listening to our voice he was a tonne of bricks when he was elected,Reading up on him today revealed that West Field that's getting built he is the big hand behind it he had a meeting with West Field In Australia And Pressured Bradford Council then it was that things started rolling otherwise it would of been a big hole,it's about time we thought about who we are voting labour have failed us it's the Asian Politics thats winning them people being forced to vote have you heard about postal vote fraud been taken place in bradford one of the main reasons why I will vote respect is cause they give people an opportunity to stand up as candidates unlike labour who don't give a chance to our youngsters and keep they bums on the same seat for many years no hard feeling.James
I am a catholic I don't want sharia law neither do they your just being selfish there,Read the policy's go ask a Muslim if they want sharia law the answer will be no,Most people have been brain washed by people saying Muslims want sharia law yes you might get a few but most people who I've spoken to said no,What has the Respect Party got to do with this when Galloway stud up as an Mp everybody voted him no just Asians all bradford west that includes all faiths So think about what you say,Just because Asians follow George galloway doesn't mean we hate him,I think he has done a great job being an Mp In Bradford all the councillors started listening to our voice he was a tonne of bricks when he was elected,Reading up on him today revealed that West Field that's getting built he is the big hand behind it he had a meeting with West Field In Australia And Pressured Bradford Council then it was that things started rolling otherwise it would of been a big hole,it's about time we thought about who we are voting labour have failed us it's the Asian Politics thats winning them people being forced to vote have you heard about postal vote fraud been taken place in bradford one of the main reasons why I will vote respect is cause they give people an opportunity to stand up as candidates unlike labour who don't give a chance to our youngsters and keep they bums on the same seat for many years no hard feeling.James James lofthous
  • Score: -1

6:01am Wed 11 Jun 14

James lofthous says...

P.s I'm a non Muslim and il vote respect and Thornton comes under bradford west most white British people live there they voted respect uni students voted respect sorry to say but the truth always hurts you sound racist by sounds of it ??
P.s I'm a non Muslim and il vote respect and Thornton comes under bradford west most white British people live there they voted respect uni students voted respect sorry to say but the truth always hurts you sound racist by sounds of it ?? James lofthous
  • Score: -3

6:31am Wed 11 Jun 14

Victor Clayton says...

James lofthous wrote:
P.s I'm a non Muslim and il vote respect and Thornton comes under bradford west most white British people live there they voted respect uni students voted respect sorry to say but the truth always hurts you sound racist by sounds of it ??
I am also from Bradford west and I don't know a single person that voted for him. And I can't think of a single occasion when he has shown any interest in Clayton, or Thornton for that matter. I am afraid his entourage tells you all you need to know. 99% Asian males.
[quote][p][bold]James lofthous[/bold] wrote: P.s I'm a non Muslim and il vote respect and Thornton comes under bradford west most white British people live there they voted respect uni students voted respect sorry to say but the truth always hurts you sound racist by sounds of it ??[/p][/quote]I am also from Bradford west and I don't know a single person that voted for him. And I can't think of a single occasion when he has shown any interest in Clayton, or Thornton for that matter. I am afraid his entourage tells you all you need to know. 99% Asian males. Victor Clayton
  • Score: 6

6:34am Wed 11 Jun 14

Victor Clayton says...

James lofthous wrote:
P.s I'm a non Muslim and il vote respect and Thornton comes under bradford west most white British people live there they voted respect uni students voted respect sorry to say but the truth always hurts you sound racist by sounds of it ??
I am also from Bradford west and I don't know a single person that voted for him. And I can't think of a single occasion when he has shown any interest in Clayton, or Thornton for that matter. I am afraid his entourage tells you all you need to know. 99% Asian males, and that is who he represents.
[quote][p][bold]James lofthous[/bold] wrote: P.s I'm a non Muslim and il vote respect and Thornton comes under bradford west most white British people live there they voted respect uni students voted respect sorry to say but the truth always hurts you sound racist by sounds of it ??[/p][/quote]I am also from Bradford west and I don't know a single person that voted for him. And I can't think of a single occasion when he has shown any interest in Clayton, or Thornton for that matter. I am afraid his entourage tells you all you need to know. 99% Asian males, and that is who he represents. Victor Clayton
  • Score: 2

9:07am Wed 11 Jun 14

allannicho says...

To quote my departed Grandmother a real Victorian,
"Vote Labour and Labour all your Life" !
To quote my departed Grandmother a real Victorian, "Vote Labour and Labour all your Life" ! allannicho
  • Score: 1

10:54am Wed 11 Jun 14

Izzy Eckerslike says...

Just think about the Birmingham schools fiasco. If you think that's bad then just wait to see what this entire city will be like in a few years time if recent events are allowed to continue. The time will come when the government of the day will have to take over the entire Council and the running of the city. Don't laugh - it's coming alright!
Just think about the Birmingham schools fiasco. If you think that's bad then just wait to see what this entire city will be like in a few years time if recent events are allowed to continue. The time will come when the government of the day will have to take over the entire Council and the running of the city. Don't laugh - it's coming alright! Izzy Eckerslike
  • Score: 2

11:15am Wed 11 Jun 14

bcfc1903 says...

Victor Clayton wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote:
Victor Clayton wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote:
If the Conservatives and Liberal Democrats did this previously how can they complain, absolute hypocrisy. I'm quite sure the Labour councillors will do an excellent job.
I don't know for sure, but if Labour had to change the constitution it suggests that the others were not doing it.
Maybe they also changed the constitution. Hell we don't need telling what's right from a Conservative party that had a Conservative as Mayor two years on the bounce or was it more?. Truly shocking from a party that proves time and time again that they are not fit to run our great city.
I think if the torys had done the same it would not be a story!
Indeed, but the Conservative mayor issue of years ago was big news at the time and was a total disgrace, compared to the non story above. To be fair Cameron has done some good work in running the country and Bradford is reaping the benefit by the amount of building going on and plans for further schemes on the verge of being developed but and it's a big one, the Conservatives who have run Bradford into the ground in the past do not deserve ever to be in charge of our great city ever again. There are simply not enough Conservative councillors with the best interest of the City of Bradford at heart. John Pennington excepted. Kris Hopkins-Hole is the prime example of why I'll never vote Conservative again in local elections.
[quote][p][bold]Victor Clayton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Victor Clayton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: If the Conservatives and Liberal Democrats did this previously how can they complain, absolute hypocrisy. I'm quite sure the Labour councillors will do an excellent job.[/p][/quote]I don't know for sure, but if Labour had to change the constitution it suggests that the others were not doing it.[/p][/quote]Maybe they also changed the constitution. Hell we don't need telling what's right from a Conservative party that had a Conservative as Mayor two years on the bounce or was it more?. Truly shocking from a party that proves time and time again that they are not fit to run our great city.[/p][/quote]I think if the torys had done the same it would not be a story![/p][/quote]Indeed, but the Conservative mayor issue of years ago was big news at the time and was a total disgrace, compared to the non story above. To be fair Cameron has done some good work in running the country and Bradford is reaping the benefit by the amount of building going on and plans for further schemes on the verge of being developed but and it's a big one, the Conservatives who have run Bradford into the ground in the past do not deserve ever to be in charge of our great city ever again. There are simply not enough Conservative councillors with the best interest of the City of Bradford at heart. John Pennington excepted. Kris Hopkins-Hole is the prime example of why I'll never vote Conservative again in local elections. bcfc1903
  • Score: 6

12:59pm Wed 11 Jun 14

WayneRouke says...

Reality50 wrote:
As for those that believe UKIP will be a force in Bradford,forget it. There simply aren't enough white people left in the inner city areas to vote for them plus statistically the Muslims vote in much higher numbers percentage wise. Add to that,the recent Eastern European invasion into the city,and frankly there is no chance of anyone outside of Labour or maybe Respect evr getting voted in within 3 miles of the city centre. UKIP will probably do well in places like Leeds or Huddersfield in the future as the population demographics of those areas give them a chance but in Bradford the Muslim block vote,added to the East Europeans plus lefty students etc means UKIP are a dead duck.
Cant deny that... For UKIP to get any leverage it requires a level playing field and for people to be sensible.

Someone who is an immigrant , dependant upon British benefits has a vested interest in staying here and so Hell would freeze over before they voted UKIP.

And as such, UKIP in Bradford doesnt stand a chance.
[quote][p][bold]Reality50[/bold] wrote: As for those that believe UKIP will be a force in Bradford,forget it. There simply aren't enough white people left in the inner city areas to vote for them plus statistically the Muslims vote in much higher numbers percentage wise. Add to that,the recent Eastern European invasion into the city,and frankly there is no chance of anyone outside of Labour or maybe Respect evr getting voted in within 3 miles of the city centre. UKIP will probably do well in places like Leeds or Huddersfield in the future as the population demographics of those areas give them a chance but in Bradford the Muslim block vote,added to the East Europeans plus lefty students etc means UKIP are a dead duck.[/p][/quote]Cant deny that... For UKIP to get any leverage it requires a level playing field and for people to be sensible. Someone who is an immigrant , dependant upon British benefits has a vested interest in staying here and so Hell would freeze over before they voted UKIP. And as such, UKIP in Bradford doesnt stand a chance. WayneRouke
  • Score: 0

2:18pm Wed 11 Jun 14

Baildon Bystander says...

Congratulations to Vanda Greenwood on her appointment as Chair. Now there is a councillor who's not afraid to ask questions and represent those who need the services that are being provided.
Congratulations to Vanda Greenwood on her appointment as Chair. Now there is a councillor who's not afraid to ask questions and represent those who need the services that are being provided. Baildon Bystander
  • Score: -3

5:12pm Wed 11 Jun 14

Bantambhoy says...

bcfc1903 wrote:
pcmanners wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote:
If the Conservatives and Liberal Democrats did this previously how can they complain, absolute hypocrisy. I'm quite sure the Labour councillors will do an excellent job.
You are clearly a misguided socialist happy to live in a police state.
Having seen the mess Kris Hopkins-Hole left , his party certainly wont be seeing my vote again any time soon. The fella's a complete tool unlike his compatriot John Pennington who is excellent and is a champion of Bradford. It's all about trust and as far as the well being of the City of Bradford is concerned I'll continue to back the excellent Labour Council lead by the equally impressive David Green.
Good grief, you really are a dipstick!
[quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pcmanners[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: If the Conservatives and Liberal Democrats did this previously how can they complain, absolute hypocrisy. I'm quite sure the Labour councillors will do an excellent job.[/p][/quote]You are clearly a misguided socialist happy to live in a police state.[/p][/quote]Having seen the mess Kris Hopkins-Hole left , his party certainly wont be seeing my vote again any time soon. The fella's a complete tool unlike his compatriot John Pennington who is excellent and is a champion of Bradford. It's all about trust and as far as the well being of the City of Bradford is concerned I'll continue to back the excellent Labour Council lead by the equally impressive David Green.[/p][/quote]Good grief, you really are a dipstick! Bantambhoy
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5:22pm Wed 11 Jun 14

Bantambhoy says...

Izzy Eckerslike wrote:
Just think about the Birmingham schools fiasco. If you think that's bad then just wait to see what this entire city will be like in a few years time if recent events are allowed to continue. The time will come when the government of the day will have to take over the entire Council and the running of the city. Don't laugh - it's coming alright!
Remember Ray Honeyford, poor man, God rest his soul.
[quote][p][bold]Izzy Eckerslike[/bold] wrote: Just think about the Birmingham schools fiasco. If you think that's bad then just wait to see what this entire city will be like in a few years time if recent events are allowed to continue. The time will come when the government of the day will have to take over the entire Council and the running of the city. Don't laugh - it's coming alright![/p][/quote]Remember Ray Honeyford, poor man, God rest his soul. Bantambhoy
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6:56pm Wed 11 Jun 14

bcfc1903 says...

Bantambhoy wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote:
pcmanners wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote:
If the Conservatives and Liberal Democrats did this previously how can they complain, absolute hypocrisy. I'm quite sure the Labour councillors will do an excellent job.
You are clearly a misguided socialist happy to live in a police state.
Having seen the mess Kris Hopkins-Hole left , his party certainly wont be seeing my vote again any time soon. The fella's a complete tool unlike his compatriot John Pennington who is excellent and is a champion of Bradford. It's all about trust and as far as the well being of the City of Bradford is concerned I'll continue to back the excellent Labour Council lead by the equally impressive David Green.
Good grief, you really are a dipstick!
If I'm the dipstick you're the oily mess at the bottom of the sump.
[quote][p][bold]Bantambhoy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pcmanners[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: If the Conservatives and Liberal Democrats did this previously how can they complain, absolute hypocrisy. I'm quite sure the Labour councillors will do an excellent job.[/p][/quote]You are clearly a misguided socialist happy to live in a police state.[/p][/quote]Having seen the mess Kris Hopkins-Hole left , his party certainly wont be seeing my vote again any time soon. The fella's a complete tool unlike his compatriot John Pennington who is excellent and is a champion of Bradford. It's all about trust and as far as the well being of the City of Bradford is concerned I'll continue to back the excellent Labour Council lead by the equally impressive David Green.[/p][/quote]Good grief, you really are a dipstick![/p][/quote]If I'm the dipstick you're the oily mess at the bottom of the sump. bcfc1903
  • Score: 1

2:31pm Fri 13 Jun 14

David Shaw says...

its hardly a power grab now is it, 3 Chairs stay the same, a power grab would be to put llabour in the chairs of all 5, as it is the party with the majority has the majority of the chairs..
its hardly a power grab now is it, 3 Chairs stay the same, a power grab would be to put llabour in the chairs of all 5, as it is the party with the majority has the majority of the chairs.. David Shaw
  • Score: 0

3:23pm Sun 15 Jun 14

pjl20 says...

How undemocratic has the Bradford MDC now become?

Surely the sharing of the responsibility of governance is what is required in Bradford during these harsh times of austerity?
How undemocratic has the Bradford MDC now become? Surely the sharing of the responsibility of governance is what is required in Bradford during these harsh times of austerity? pjl20
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5:40pm Sun 15 Jun 14

Class_War says...

Well I'm pleased that Labour are in control locally, though I won't be voting for them at a national level. I cannot vote for a Labour Party that supports Benefit Sanctions, or whose leader is happy to promote the distribution of free toilet paper.
Well I'm pleased that Labour are in control locally, though I won't be voting for them at a national level. I cannot vote for a Labour Party that supports Benefit Sanctions, or whose leader is happy to promote the distribution of free toilet paper. Class_War
  • Score: 0

6:49pm Sun 15 Jun 14

Colin Allcars says...

Victor Clayton wrote:
James lofthous wrote:
P.s I'm a non Muslim and il vote respect and Thornton comes under bradford west most white British people live there they voted respect uni students voted respect sorry to say but the truth always hurts you sound racist by sounds of it ??
I am also from Bradford west and I don't know a single person that voted for him. And I can't think of a single occasion when he has shown any interest in Clayton, or Thornton for that matter. I am afraid his entourage tells you all you need to know. 99% Asian males, and that is who he represents.
Respect = Sectarian
[quote][p][bold]Victor Clayton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]James lofthous[/bold] wrote: P.s I'm a non Muslim and il vote respect and Thornton comes under bradford west most white British people live there they voted respect uni students voted respect sorry to say but the truth always hurts you sound racist by sounds of it ??[/p][/quote]I am also from Bradford west and I don't know a single person that voted for him. And I can't think of a single occasion when he has shown any interest in Clayton, or Thornton for that matter. I am afraid his entourage tells you all you need to know. 99% Asian males, and that is who he represents.[/p][/quote]Respect = Sectarian Colin Allcars
  • Score: 1

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