MPs hit out at 'shocking' £584 estimated loss per player

Bradford district gamblers lose £9.5m in a year on betting machines

Bradford district gamblers lose £9.5m in a year on betting machines

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New figures suggest Bradford gamblers lost more than £9.5 million on betting machines last year, as bookies were accused of targeting deprived areas for profit.

The Campaign for Fairer Gambling (CFFG) said an estimated £268,438,648 was wagered on 241 fixed-odds betting terminals (FOBTs) in the district in 2013 – and of that £9,529,572 was lost.

The organisation, whose Stop the FOBTs campaign aims to remove the machines from betting shops, said the loss worked out at £584 per player – that compares to a regional high of £989 in Hull, £600 in Kirklees and £235 in the Craven district.

The Campaign worked out that £470m was lost on FOBTs in the 55 most deprived local authorities – which includes Bradford at 26th – compared to £230m in the least deprived.

But the research and allegations about the industry zeroing in on deprived areas have attracted strong criticism from the Association of British Bookmakers (ABB).

Its chief executive Dirk Vennix said: “The CFFG allegation is total fantasy, and we can prove it. The gambling industry does not target deprived areas. It never has. It never will.”

The CFFG is funded by Derek Webb, who invented Three Card Poker which is played in casinos across the world, but the Campaign stressed he was retired and not trying to promote casinos over bookies.

Bradford West Respect MP George Galloway said: “I’m against gambling full stop. It brings misery and depredation to families and individuals and the rash of bookmakers' shops despoils city centres, which is glaringly evident in Bradford.

“I understand why people who are in desperate straits gamble but it’s a false hope. It doesn't stop there. I regularly go into supermarkets and see the amount of money that is passed through the tills on the various grasping arms of the lottery. Sad and self-defeating.”

David Ward, Liberal Democrat MP for Bradford East, said he had seen first-hand how addiction to the machines could damage people. A constituent who was on the brink of suicide visited him to explain how his addiction to the fast-paced FOBTs had almost cost him everything.

He said the amount estimated to be lost in Bradford was massive.

“It’s day by day, bit by bit dripping away and people who can ill-afford to lose anything.

“The figures, if correct, are truly shocking.”

Mr Ward said his party wanted to see the same local authority powers that the Telegraph & Argus’s Beat the Betting Blight campaign has called for.

“Liberal Democrats and I want to see to see councils given powers in the planning system to stop an explosion of bookmakers on the High Street and, in Government; we have frozen stakes and prizes on B2 machines while we wait for new research that can be used to set more sensible limits in the future,” he said.

Keighley Conservative MP Kris Hopkins said: “I do not know whether these figures are accurate or not but, if they are, they certainly shocking.”

The figures were worked out using information from sources including bookies’ annual reports, Gambling Commission figures, national surveys and the Census, and were officially announced at the House of Commons yesterday.

CFFG consultant Adrian Parkinson said they were the most accurate available and until the ABB released its own figures, it could not criticise.

e-mail: julie.tickner@telegraphandargus.co.uk

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11:28am Wed 5 Mar 14

Andy2010 says...

Well they are idiots
Well they are idiots Andy2010
  • Score: 7

12:23pm Wed 5 Mar 14

Bone_idle18 says...

Was in a pub a while back and someone was kicking off because they'd just put all their wage (£260) into a fruit machine and got nothing in return. It took him about 25 minutes to feed the machine in £10 and £20 notes.

I suspect he'd have lost a lot less if the machine was coin only, you have to question the morals of the people who create and install these machines. I suspect it's one of the only addictions where you can lose so much in such a short space of time.

I suppose it's a health tax stream for the government, so they won't be in much rush to do anything.
Was in a pub a while back and someone was kicking off because they'd just put all their wage (£260) into a fruit machine and got nothing in return. It took him about 25 minutes to feed the machine in £10 and £20 notes. I suspect he'd have lost a lot less if the machine was coin only, you have to question the morals of the people who create and install these machines. I suspect it's one of the only addictions where you can lose so much in such a short space of time. I suppose it's a health tax stream for the government, so they won't be in much rush to do anything. Bone_idle18
  • Score: 6

1:12pm Wed 5 Mar 14

Andy2010 says...

Bone_idle18 wrote:
Was in a pub a while back and someone was kicking off because they'd just put all their wage (£260) into a fruit machine and got nothing in return. It took him about 25 minutes to feed the machine in £10 and £20 notes.

I suspect he'd have lost a lot less if the machine was coin only, you have to question the morals of the people who create and install these machines. I suspect it's one of the only addictions where you can lose so much in such a short space of time.

I suppose it's a health tax stream for the government, so they won't be in much rush to do anything.
Fair enough but what about personal responsibility.

If these idiots put in what they cant afford that's their problem no-one elses.

Why should the Government have to step in and makes changes because some people are just plain stupid
[quote][p][bold]Bone_idle18[/bold] wrote: Was in a pub a while back and someone was kicking off because they'd just put all their wage (£260) into a fruit machine and got nothing in return. It took him about 25 minutes to feed the machine in £10 and £20 notes. I suspect he'd have lost a lot less if the machine was coin only, you have to question the morals of the people who create and install these machines. I suspect it's one of the only addictions where you can lose so much in such a short space of time. I suppose it's a health tax stream for the government, so they won't be in much rush to do anything.[/p][/quote]Fair enough but what about personal responsibility. If these idiots put in what they cant afford that's their problem no-one elses. Why should the Government have to step in and makes changes because some people are just plain stupid Andy2010
  • Score: 4

1:36pm Wed 5 Mar 14

Farsley Bantam says...

Andy2010 wrote:
Bone_idle18 wrote: Was in a pub a while back and someone was kicking off because they'd just put all their wage (£260) into a fruit machine and got nothing in return. It took him about 25 minutes to feed the machine in £10 and £20 notes. I suspect he'd have lost a lot less if the machine was coin only, you have to question the morals of the people who create and install these machines. I suspect it's one of the only addictions where you can lose so much in such a short space of time. I suppose it's a health tax stream for the government, so they won't be in much rush to do anything.
Fair enough but what about personal responsibility. If these idiots put in what they cant afford that's their problem no-one elses. Why should the Government have to step in and makes changes because some people are just plain stupid
Because some people need protecting from themselves. Anyone who pumps their entire weekly wage into a fruit machine is clearly an idiot though, I agree.
[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bone_idle18[/bold] wrote: Was in a pub a while back and someone was kicking off because they'd just put all their wage (£260) into a fruit machine and got nothing in return. It took him about 25 minutes to feed the machine in £10 and £20 notes. I suspect he'd have lost a lot less if the machine was coin only, you have to question the morals of the people who create and install these machines. I suspect it's one of the only addictions where you can lose so much in such a short space of time. I suppose it's a health tax stream for the government, so they won't be in much rush to do anything.[/p][/quote]Fair enough but what about personal responsibility. If these idiots put in what they cant afford that's their problem no-one elses. Why should the Government have to step in and makes changes because some people are just plain stupid[/p][/quote]Because some people need protecting from themselves. Anyone who pumps their entire weekly wage into a fruit machine is clearly an idiot though, I agree. Farsley Bantam
  • Score: 2

1:47pm Wed 5 Mar 14

sorrow&anger says...

Personal responsibility is the least of the worries. The Gambling Commission admitted in September what has long been privately acknowledged: FOBTs present a 'high inherent money laundering risk'. The Betting Shop will even give you a piece of paper saying that you've been playing the machines so you can explain all the money in your pocket when the friendly bobby does a bit of stop and search.

With Bradford's drug problem it's no wonder the betting shops are keen to maximise their profits and get as many FOBTs into the city as possible. The Council needs to close down these machines and stop providing assistance to the drug trade. City Hall is supposed to be on the side of law and order.
Personal responsibility is the least of the worries. The Gambling Commission admitted in September what has long been privately acknowledged: FOBTs present a 'high inherent money laundering risk'. The Betting Shop will even give you a piece of paper saying that you've been playing the machines so you can explain all the money in your pocket when the friendly bobby does a bit of stop and search. With Bradford's drug problem it's no wonder the betting shops are keen to maximise their profits and get as many FOBTs into the city as possible. The Council needs to close down these machines and stop providing assistance to the drug trade. City Hall is supposed to be on the side of law and order. sorrow&anger
  • Score: 8

2:00pm Wed 5 Mar 14

Grumpygirl says...

There's no chance of the FOBTs being withdrawn whilst Tory MPs like Philip Davies are in the pocket of the gambling industry.

Yesterday he was promoting online bingo at the same time as the Culture Secretary was talking about banning adverts for gambling after she finally realised how much damage they were doing. No contest. The Tories will support whatever measures make their rich friends richer.
There's no chance of the FOBTs being withdrawn whilst Tory MPs like Philip Davies are in the pocket of the gambling industry. Yesterday he was promoting online bingo at the same time as the Culture Secretary was talking about banning adverts for gambling after she finally realised how much damage they were doing. No contest. The Tories will support whatever measures make their rich friends richer. Grumpygirl
  • Score: 8

2:19pm Wed 5 Mar 14

pcmanners says...

We've all seen it. Somebody comes into the shop and bets on the roulette FOBTs placing £20 on red, the same on black and £2 on zero and cash out after a few plays. The result is they can carry around large sums of cash but with receipts to show that they had successfully gambled, just in case they are stopped by police. The owners must recognise this pattern of gambling but choose to do nothing about it.

In some shops you can even get your winnings put directly on to a debit card. Effectively a drug dealer is paying 5 to 10 per cent to betting shops to launder illicit profits from drugs.

Last figures I saw FOBTs contributed £1.4bn to the bookmaking industry’s bottom line in 2012. With this kind of money sloshing around they're not going to be too worried where some of it comes from.
We've all seen it. Somebody comes into the shop and bets on the roulette FOBTs placing £20 on red, the same on black and £2 on zero and cash out after a few plays. The result is they can carry around large sums of cash but with receipts to show that they had successfully gambled, just in case they are stopped by police. The owners must recognise this pattern of gambling but choose to do nothing about it. In some shops you can even get your winnings put directly on to a debit card. Effectively a drug dealer is paying 5 to 10 per cent to betting shops to launder illicit profits from drugs. Last figures I saw FOBTs contributed £1.4bn to the bookmaking industry’s bottom line in 2012. With this kind of money sloshing around they're not going to be too worried where some of it comes from. pcmanners
  • Score: 7

3:15pm Wed 5 Mar 14

SinnerSaint says...

sorrow&anger wrote:
Personal responsibility is the least of the worries. The Gambling Commission admitted in September what has long been privately acknowledged: FOBTs present a 'high inherent money laundering risk'. The Betting Shop will even give you a piece of paper saying that you've been playing the machines so you can explain all the money in your pocket when the friendly bobby does a bit of stop and search.

With Bradford's drug problem it's no wonder the betting shops are keen to maximise their profits and get as many FOBTs into the city as possible. The Council needs to close down these machines and stop providing assistance to the drug trade. City Hall is supposed to be on the side of law and order.
Funny how we're never allowed to comment on any of the articles relating to Bradford's drug problem or the reported conviction of dealers on every level from kingpin to street dealer.

Now why could that be?......
[quote][p][bold]sorrow&anger[/bold] wrote: Personal responsibility is the least of the worries. The Gambling Commission admitted in September what has long been privately acknowledged: FOBTs present a 'high inherent money laundering risk'. The Betting Shop will even give you a piece of paper saying that you've been playing the machines so you can explain all the money in your pocket when the friendly bobby does a bit of stop and search. With Bradford's drug problem it's no wonder the betting shops are keen to maximise their profits and get as many FOBTs into the city as possible. The Council needs to close down these machines and stop providing assistance to the drug trade. City Hall is supposed to be on the side of law and order.[/p][/quote]Funny how we're never allowed to comment on any of the articles relating to Bradford's drug problem or the reported conviction of dealers on every level from kingpin to street dealer. Now why could that be?...... SinnerSaint
  • Score: 5

3:21pm Wed 5 Mar 14

Bone_idle18 says...

Grumpygirl wrote:
There's no chance of the FOBTs being withdrawn whilst Tory MPs like Philip Davies are in the pocket of the gambling industry.

Yesterday he was promoting online bingo at the same time as the Culture Secretary was talking about banning adverts for gambling after she finally realised how much damage they were doing. No contest. The Tories will support whatever measures make their rich friends richer.
give the anti Tory rhetoric a rest, the FOBT's we introduced in 2001 and concerns were raised as early as 2005, but did Labour do FA about them?

Talking of rich friends, wasn't it Labour who let their rich banking friends bend the rules so far they caused a collapse, and then threw tax payers money at them so they didn't have to sell their Ferraris, Rolls' and Porsches?
[quote][p][bold]Grumpygirl[/bold] wrote: There's no chance of the FOBTs being withdrawn whilst Tory MPs like Philip Davies are in the pocket of the gambling industry. Yesterday he was promoting online bingo at the same time as the Culture Secretary was talking about banning adverts for gambling after she finally realised how much damage they were doing. No contest. The Tories will support whatever measures make their rich friends richer.[/p][/quote]give the anti Tory rhetoric a rest, the FOBT's we introduced in 2001 and concerns were raised as early as 2005, but did Labour do FA about them? Talking of rich friends, wasn't it Labour who let their rich banking friends bend the rules so far they caused a collapse, and then threw tax payers money at them so they didn't have to sell their Ferraris, Rolls' and Porsches? Bone_idle18
  • Score: 4

3:48pm Wed 5 Mar 14

pellethead says...

Andy2010 wrote:
Bone_idle18 wrote:
Was in a pub a while back and someone was kicking off because they'd just put all their wage (£260) into a fruit machine and got nothing in return. It took him about 25 minutes to feed the machine in £10 and £20 notes.

I suspect he'd have lost a lot less if the machine was coin only, you have to question the morals of the people who create and install these machines. I suspect it's one of the only addictions where you can lose so much in such a short space of time.

I suppose it's a health tax stream for the government, so they won't be in much rush to do anything.
Fair enough but what about personal responsibility.

If these idiots put in what they cant afford that's their problem no-one elses.

Why should the Government have to step in and makes changes because some people are just plain stupid
We could apply the same logic to drinking smoking drug taking. The more I read your posts the more I conclude that you wont be happy until there is no state at all. Are you an anarchist?
[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bone_idle18[/bold] wrote: Was in a pub a while back and someone was kicking off because they'd just put all their wage (£260) into a fruit machine and got nothing in return. It took him about 25 minutes to feed the machine in £10 and £20 notes. I suspect he'd have lost a lot less if the machine was coin only, you have to question the morals of the people who create and install these machines. I suspect it's one of the only addictions where you can lose so much in such a short space of time. I suppose it's a health tax stream for the government, so they won't be in much rush to do anything.[/p][/quote]Fair enough but what about personal responsibility. If these idiots put in what they cant afford that's their problem no-one elses. Why should the Government have to step in and makes changes because some people are just plain stupid[/p][/quote]We could apply the same logic to drinking smoking drug taking. The more I read your posts the more I conclude that you wont be happy until there is no state at all. Are you an anarchist? pellethead
  • Score: -3

4:00pm Wed 5 Mar 14

alive and awake says...

So on average punters are loosing £1-60 per day. Or equivalent of 5 cigs, or 1/2 pint of lager, or Greggs pasty, or less than a price of a lottery ticket, what are they on about.
So on average punters are loosing £1-60 per day. Or equivalent of 5 cigs, or 1/2 pint of lager, or Greggs pasty, or less than a price of a lottery ticket, what are they on about. alive and awake
  • Score: 4

4:29pm Wed 5 Mar 14

Grumpygirl says...

Bone_idle18 wrote:
Grumpygirl wrote:
There's no chance of the FOBTs being withdrawn whilst Tory MPs like Philip Davies are in the pocket of the gambling industry.

Yesterday he was promoting online bingo at the same time as the Culture Secretary was talking about banning adverts for gambling after she finally realised how much damage they were doing. No contest. The Tories will support whatever measures make their rich friends richer.
give the anti Tory rhetoric a rest, the FOBT's we introduced in 2001 and concerns were raised as early as 2005, but did Labour do FA about them?

Talking of rich friends, wasn't it Labour who let their rich banking friends bend the rules so far they caused a collapse, and then threw tax payers money at them so they didn't have to sell their Ferraris, Rolls' and Porsches?
Quite so. Blair's lot were a load of closet Thatcherites. One day we will get a proper Socialist governement and this countrywill be a better place to live, except for the rich.
[quote][p][bold]Bone_idle18[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Grumpygirl[/bold] wrote: There's no chance of the FOBTs being withdrawn whilst Tory MPs like Philip Davies are in the pocket of the gambling industry. Yesterday he was promoting online bingo at the same time as the Culture Secretary was talking about banning adverts for gambling after she finally realised how much damage they were doing. No contest. The Tories will support whatever measures make their rich friends richer.[/p][/quote]give the anti Tory rhetoric a rest, the FOBT's we introduced in 2001 and concerns were raised as early as 2005, but did Labour do FA about them? Talking of rich friends, wasn't it Labour who let their rich banking friends bend the rules so far they caused a collapse, and then threw tax payers money at them so they didn't have to sell their Ferraris, Rolls' and Porsches?[/p][/quote]Quite so. Blair's lot were a load of closet Thatcherites. One day we will get a proper Socialist governement and this countrywill be a better place to live, except for the rich. Grumpygirl
  • Score: 3

4:37pm Wed 5 Mar 14

BaildonGuy says...

Bone_idle18 wrote:
Was in a pub a while back and someone was kicking off because they'd just put all their wage (£260) into a fruit machine and got nothing in return. It took him about 25 minutes to feed the machine in £10 and £20 notes.

I suspect he'd have lost a lot less if the machine was coin only, you have to question the morals of the people who create and install these machines. I suspect it's one of the only addictions where you can lose so much in such a short space of time.

I suppose it's a health tax stream for the government, so they won't be in much rush to do anything.
I'm not an expert, but if somebody has loaded £260 into a puggy and not had a payout, then the machine's honesty would seem to be questionable.
[quote][p][bold]Bone_idle18[/bold] wrote: Was in a pub a while back and someone was kicking off because they'd just put all their wage (£260) into a fruit machine and got nothing in return. It took him about 25 minutes to feed the machine in £10 and £20 notes. I suspect he'd have lost a lot less if the machine was coin only, you have to question the morals of the people who create and install these machines. I suspect it's one of the only addictions where you can lose so much in such a short space of time. I suppose it's a health tax stream for the government, so they won't be in much rush to do anything.[/p][/quote]I'm not an expert, but if somebody has loaded £260 into a puggy and not had a payout, then the machine's honesty would seem to be questionable. BaildonGuy
  • Score: 2

4:39pm Wed 5 Mar 14

alive and awake says...

Grumpygirl wrote:
Bone_idle18 wrote:
Grumpygirl wrote:
There's no chance of the FOBTs being withdrawn whilst Tory MPs like Philip Davies are in the pocket of the gambling industry.

Yesterday he was promoting online bingo at the same time as the Culture Secretary was talking about banning adverts for gambling after she finally realised how much damage they were doing. No contest. The Tories will support whatever measures make their rich friends richer.
give the anti Tory rhetoric a rest, the FOBT's we introduced in 2001 and concerns were raised as early as 2005, but did Labour do FA about them?

Talking of rich friends, wasn't it Labour who let their rich banking friends bend the rules so far they caused a collapse, and then threw tax payers money at them so they didn't have to sell their Ferraris, Rolls' and Porsches?
Quite so. Blair's lot were a load of closet Thatcherites. One day we will get a proper Socialist governement and this countrywill be a better place to live, except for the rich.
When that day comes I'm of to a sunnier climate.
[quote][p][bold]Grumpygirl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bone_idle18[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Grumpygirl[/bold] wrote: There's no chance of the FOBTs being withdrawn whilst Tory MPs like Philip Davies are in the pocket of the gambling industry. Yesterday he was promoting online bingo at the same time as the Culture Secretary was talking about banning adverts for gambling after she finally realised how much damage they were doing. No contest. The Tories will support whatever measures make their rich friends richer.[/p][/quote]give the anti Tory rhetoric a rest, the FOBT's we introduced in 2001 and concerns were raised as early as 2005, but did Labour do FA about them? Talking of rich friends, wasn't it Labour who let their rich banking friends bend the rules so far they caused a collapse, and then threw tax payers money at them so they didn't have to sell their Ferraris, Rolls' and Porsches?[/p][/quote]Quite so. Blair's lot were a load of closet Thatcherites. One day we will get a proper Socialist governement and this countrywill be a better place to live, except for the rich.[/p][/quote]When that day comes I'm of to a sunnier climate. alive and awake
  • Score: 0

4:41pm Wed 5 Mar 14

Freddy Elliot says...

SinnerSaint wrote:
sorrow&anger wrote:
Personal responsibility is the least of the worries. The Gambling Commission admitted in September what has long been privately acknowledged: FOBTs present a 'high inherent money laundering risk'. The Betting Shop will even give you a piece of paper saying that you've been playing the machines so you can explain all the money in your pocket when the friendly bobby does a bit of stop and search.

With Bradford's drug problem it's no wonder the betting shops are keen to maximise their profits and get as many FOBTs into the city as possible. The Council needs to close down these machines and stop providing assistance to the drug trade. City Hall is supposed to be on the side of law and order.
Funny how we're never allowed to comment on any of the articles relating to Bradford's drug problem or the reported conviction of dealers on every level from kingpin to street dealer.

Now why could that be?......
Skin pigmentation?
[quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sorrow&anger[/bold] wrote: Personal responsibility is the least of the worries. The Gambling Commission admitted in September what has long been privately acknowledged: FOBTs present a 'high inherent money laundering risk'. The Betting Shop will even give you a piece of paper saying that you've been playing the machines so you can explain all the money in your pocket when the friendly bobby does a bit of stop and search. With Bradford's drug problem it's no wonder the betting shops are keen to maximise their profits and get as many FOBTs into the city as possible. The Council needs to close down these machines and stop providing assistance to the drug trade. City Hall is supposed to be on the side of law and order.[/p][/quote]Funny how we're never allowed to comment on any of the articles relating to Bradford's drug problem or the reported conviction of dealers on every level from kingpin to street dealer. Now why could that be?......[/p][/quote]Skin pigmentation? Freddy Elliot
  • Score: 7

4:42pm Wed 5 Mar 14

alive and awake says...

BaildonGuy wrote:
Bone_idle18 wrote:
Was in a pub a while back and someone was kicking off because they'd just put all their wage (£260) into a fruit machine and got nothing in return. It took him about 25 minutes to feed the machine in £10 and £20 notes.

I suspect he'd have lost a lot less if the machine was coin only, you have to question the morals of the people who create and install these machines. I suspect it's one of the only addictions where you can lose so much in such a short space of time.

I suppose it's a health tax stream for the government, so they won't be in much rush to do anything.
I'm not an expert, but if somebody has loaded £260 into a puggy and not had a payout, then the machine's honesty would seem to be questionable.
Your right you are not an expert, he will have had pay outs but being the numpty he is he will have put that in as well.
[quote][p][bold]BaildonGuy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bone_idle18[/bold] wrote: Was in a pub a while back and someone was kicking off because they'd just put all their wage (£260) into a fruit machine and got nothing in return. It took him about 25 minutes to feed the machine in £10 and £20 notes. I suspect he'd have lost a lot less if the machine was coin only, you have to question the morals of the people who create and install these machines. I suspect it's one of the only addictions where you can lose so much in such a short space of time. I suppose it's a health tax stream for the government, so they won't be in much rush to do anything.[/p][/quote]I'm not an expert, but if somebody has loaded £260 into a puggy and not had a payout, then the machine's honesty would seem to be questionable.[/p][/quote]Your right you are not an expert, he will have had pay outs but being the numpty he is he will have put that in as well. alive and awake
  • Score: 3

4:59pm Wed 5 Mar 14

BaildonGuy says...

alive and awake wrote:
BaildonGuy wrote:
Bone_idle18 wrote:
Was in a pub a while back and someone was kicking off because they'd just put all their wage (£260) into a fruit machine and got nothing in return. It took him about 25 minutes to feed the machine in £10 and £20 notes.

I suspect he'd have lost a lot less if the machine was coin only, you have to question the morals of the people who create and install these machines. I suspect it's one of the only addictions where you can lose so much in such a short space of time.

I suppose it's a health tax stream for the government, so they won't be in much rush to do anything.
I'm not an expert, but if somebody has loaded £260 into a puggy and not had a payout, then the machine's honesty would seem to be questionable.
Your right you are not an expert, he will have had pay outs but being the numpty he is he will have put that in as well.
Ah. In that case, yes he was a numpty. How do you protect people from themselves?
[quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BaildonGuy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bone_idle18[/bold] wrote: Was in a pub a while back and someone was kicking off because they'd just put all their wage (£260) into a fruit machine and got nothing in return. It took him about 25 minutes to feed the machine in £10 and £20 notes. I suspect he'd have lost a lot less if the machine was coin only, you have to question the morals of the people who create and install these machines. I suspect it's one of the only addictions where you can lose so much in such a short space of time. I suppose it's a health tax stream for the government, so they won't be in much rush to do anything.[/p][/quote]I'm not an expert, but if somebody has loaded £260 into a puggy and not had a payout, then the machine's honesty would seem to be questionable.[/p][/quote]Your right you are not an expert, he will have had pay outs but being the numpty he is he will have put that in as well.[/p][/quote]Ah. In that case, yes he was a numpty. How do you protect people from themselves? BaildonGuy
  • Score: 3

7:53pm Wed 5 Mar 14

Al Spade says...

No doubt these people will be at the food bank when their families need to eat. Does the church have any comment on that? Or the BBC for that matter? It's not always benefit cuts that cause the problem.
No doubt these people will be at the food bank when their families need to eat. Does the church have any comment on that? Or the BBC for that matter? It's not always benefit cuts that cause the problem. Al Spade
  • Score: 1

8:53pm Wed 5 Mar 14

Alhaurinrhino says...

Grumpygirl wrote:
There's no chance of the FOBTs being withdrawn whilst Tory MPs like Philip Davies are in the pocket of the gambling industry.

Yesterday he was promoting online bingo at the same time as the Culture Secretary was talking about banning adverts for gambling after she finally realised how much damage they were doing. No contest. The Tories will support whatever measures make their rich friends richer.
What about Chuka Umunna ( Labour Party shadow business spokesman), he took a twenty grand "donation" from the head of Gala Coral group, despite calling for restraint on bookmakers. Typical hypocrite, typical Labour.
[quote][p][bold]Grumpygirl[/bold] wrote: There's no chance of the FOBTs being withdrawn whilst Tory MPs like Philip Davies are in the pocket of the gambling industry. Yesterday he was promoting online bingo at the same time as the Culture Secretary was talking about banning adverts for gambling after she finally realised how much damage they were doing. No contest. The Tories will support whatever measures make their rich friends richer.[/p][/quote]What about Chuka Umunna ( Labour Party shadow business spokesman), he took a twenty grand "donation" from the head of Gala Coral group, despite calling for restraint on bookmakers. Typical hypocrite, typical Labour. Alhaurinrhino
  • Score: 2

10:05pm Wed 5 Mar 14

alive and awake says...

Al Spade wrote:
No doubt these people will be at the food bank when their families need to eat. Does the church have any comment on that? Or the BBC for that matter? It's not always benefit cuts that cause the problem.
F88888K THE CHURCH
[quote][p][bold]Al Spade[/bold] wrote: No doubt these people will be at the food bank when their families need to eat. Does the church have any comment on that? Or the BBC for that matter? It's not always benefit cuts that cause the problem.[/p][/quote]F88888K THE CHURCH alive and awake
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10:09pm Wed 5 Mar 14

alive and awake says...

BaildonGuy wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
BaildonGuy wrote:
Bone_idle18 wrote:
Was in a pub a while back and someone was kicking off because they'd just put all their wage (£260) into a fruit machine and got nothing in return. It took him about 25 minutes to feed the machine in £10 and £20 notes.

I suspect he'd have lost a lot less if the machine was coin only, you have to question the morals of the people who create and install these machines. I suspect it's one of the only addictions where you can lose so much in such a short space of time.

I suppose it's a health tax stream for the government, so they won't be in much rush to do anything.
I'm not an expert, but if somebody has loaded £260 into a puggy and not had a payout, then the machine's honesty would seem to be questionable.
Your right you are not an expert, he will have had pay outs but being the numpty he is he will have put that in as well.
Ah. In that case, yes he was a numpty. How do you protect people from themselves?
You can't protect them from themselves, you do what has been done thru- out history, you rob, con and exploit them, its easy ask Labour and the Unions.
[quote][p][bold]BaildonGuy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BaildonGuy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bone_idle18[/bold] wrote: Was in a pub a while back and someone was kicking off because they'd just put all their wage (£260) into a fruit machine and got nothing in return. It took him about 25 minutes to feed the machine in £10 and £20 notes. I suspect he'd have lost a lot less if the machine was coin only, you have to question the morals of the people who create and install these machines. I suspect it's one of the only addictions where you can lose so much in such a short space of time. I suppose it's a health tax stream for the government, so they won't be in much rush to do anything.[/p][/quote]I'm not an expert, but if somebody has loaded £260 into a puggy and not had a payout, then the machine's honesty would seem to be questionable.[/p][/quote]Your right you are not an expert, he will have had pay outs but being the numpty he is he will have put that in as well.[/p][/quote]Ah. In that case, yes he was a numpty. How do you protect people from themselves?[/p][/quote]You can't protect them from themselves, you do what has been done thru- out history, you rob, con and exploit them, its easy ask Labour and the Unions. alive and awake
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