Bradford Council tax set to rise by 1.6% with 650 jobs to be axed

Bradford Telegraph and Argus: Coun David Green at last night's Council meeting Coun David Green at last night's Council meeting

Householders face a council tax rise of 1.6 per cent from April after Bradford councillors voted through a budget that some called “making the best of a bad situation” but others argued asked people to pay more for less.

Although some of the more controversial proposals in the 2014/15 budget, including closing public toilets and children’s centres, were scrapped, the leader of the Labour-run authority warned cuts proposed by the Government could lead to the whole system of local government becoming “unsustainable”.

Up to 650 Council jobs are set to be axed as the authority faces Government budget cuts of £115 million over the next three years.

During an often heated debate lasting more than two hours at City Hall last night, councillors from different parties argued, not over whether cuts were needed, but where they should be made.

An alternative budget proposed by the opposition Conservative group failed to gain enough cross party support to dislodge Labour’s plan.

The 2014/15 budget will see Council Tax rise by an average of £3 a month for most households, and follows a 1.99 per cent tax rise last year.

At the start of the debate, Council leader David Green warned both other councillors and the Bradford public that pressures on the budget were so great, people would have to completely re-think what they expect from a council in the next few years.

“Bradford, like other Northern cities and districts has been disproportionately hit by central Government cuts,” he said.

“The cuts they are making will make the idea of a local authority unsustainable in the future.

“The choices the people of Bradford are having to consider are unpalatable, and damaging to the economic and social fabric of the district.

“The progress we have made over the years in schools, social care and other areas is being damaged by the slash and burn approach of the Department for Communities and Local Government.

“None of these proposals are ones we would make if we were masters of our own destiny.

“What we need to do is recognise the threat to local government being imposed by Whitehall.

“The status quo is no longer an option. We will need to have a grown up debate about what services people expect from a council and how we can deliver them.

“But we also have to make sure people know that if they want local services delivered by a local council for free, they will have to stand up and make their voice heard. When we have that debate I assure people we will listen to them.”

Coun Green told the meeting that since his group first announced its budget proposals in November, more than 15,000 people had had their say – including thousands who opposed planned cuts to children’s centres and the council youth service.

Thanks to these responses, the planned cuts of £3.2 million to the youth service over two years has been reduced to £1.45m.

Other high-profile cuts that will now not go ahead in the next 12 months include the closure of three children’s centres, thanks to support from the Bradford Schools Forum, and the closure of public toilets in Ilkley, Haworth and Baildon.

Ilkley’s Manor House Museum has also been spared the chop for 12 months, while the Council looks into ways it can be run by the community.

Coun Green added: “Despite us finding the money to save these services, I don’t want anyone to believe us finding this money has been painless – it doesnt mean there won’t be an effect on other services and jobs.

“These are not pennies from heaven – it comes from real people losing their jobs and real cuts to services.”

The Conservative group had proposed a freeze in Council Tax until 2017, maintaining all ward coverage for youth services, the merging of several council departments and ending the payment of salaries for full time union officials.

It proposed using £2m of Council reserves on road repairs, and setting up a team to help turn around failing schools – at a cost of £500,000.

But Coun Green said the Tory budget was short-sighted, and there was not enough evidence of where the money would come from.

He compared the party to the Charles Dickens character Mr Micawber – famous for his phrase “something will turn up”.

Coun Green added: “There is no policy – no long term thinking.”

Conservative group deputy leader, Councillor Simon Cooke, criticised the Council for only making its final version of the budget available on Tuesday.

He also criticised the Council Tax rise, adding: “We shouldn’t be charging people more money for less service.

“Critical services should be available in every community. We need to make choices about what is essential and what is just nice to have.”

He argued it was more important for the Council to retain services like children’s centres rather than have an environment and climate change department.

Liberal Democrat group leader, Councillor Jeanette Sunderland, acknowledged it must have been difficult for the Labour group to draw up a budget in the face of such cuts, but she said: “The starting point for this budget is so far from where we would want to be, and there are so many things missing from it like the number of empty homes.

“I’m not able to support this.”

Councillor Alyas Karmani, leader of the Bradford Independent Group, formerly the five Respect councillors, criticised the Government’s austerity measures, saying Bradford needed investment not cuts.

To the surprise of the Labour party, the group backed its budget, with Coun Karmani adding: “I’m against austerity, but this is the best of a bad job.”

As he was then heckled by opposition councillors, he added: “If we were in that position we’d be making exactly the same decisions.”

Green Party leader, Councillor Martin Love, said he doubted that cuts to local government would be stopped, no matter who is voted in in next year’s General Election.

He said the group would not be supporting the budget, but he appreciated the Council for listening to the public.

Council deputy leader, Councillor Imran Hussain, condemned the Conservatve group for publicly criticising the way the Council was being run but then not following up on some of its more controversial ideas.

“The Tories have been in the paper every week talking about getting rid of the chief executive, selling off artwork or going into our reserves,” said Coun Hussain.

“I was astonished when I picked up their budget proposals and there was no mention of any of these things. They seem to be silent in the areas they were shouting about the most.”

Conservative group leader, Councillor Glen Miller, responded: “First Labour frighten the district with the threat of big cuts, then they bring them down so they look like saviours.

“The Labour group say they want to bring the cost of living down in Bradford, but they’ve put the cost of living up by 1.6 per cent. Our budget shows you don’t need that increase.”

He said he hoped the Council would take some of his group’s defeated budget ideas on board.

Labour’s budget drew 53 votes for, 26 against and six abstentions – a majority of 27.

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6:41am Fri 21 Feb 14

Albion. says...

"Green Party leader, Councillor Martin Love, said he doubted that cuts to local government would be stopped, no matter who is voted in in next year’s General Election."
I'm certainly not one of their supporters but he certainly got that right.

"The Conservative group had proposed a freeze in Council Tax until 2017, maintaining all ward coverage for youth services, the merging of several council departments and ending the payment of salaries for full time union officials."

That sounds interesting but more detail is needed. The last bit is long overdue.
"Green Party leader, Councillor Martin Love, said he doubted that cuts to local government would be stopped, no matter who is voted in in next year’s General Election." I'm certainly not one of their supporters but he certainly got that right. "The Conservative group had proposed a freeze in Council Tax until 2017, maintaining all ward coverage for youth services, the merging of several council departments and ending the payment of salaries for full time union officials." That sounds interesting but more detail is needed. The last bit is long overdue. Albion.
  • Score: 25

7:55am Fri 21 Feb 14

bingleybantam says...

Those that pay the council tax will be paying more, cuts to services, yet the council still finds £500,000 for the unions. Typical Labour looking after their own. Bradford Council = years of mis-management & not fit for purpose.
Those that pay the council tax will be paying more, cuts to services, yet the council still finds £500,000 for the unions. Typical Labour looking after their own. Bradford Council = years of mis-management & not fit for purpose. bingleybantam
  • Score: 48

8:15am Fri 21 Feb 14

Avro says...

Start by getting rid chief exec Tony Reeves, who not only is a waste of resources but is paid £178,476 a year, which is £38,000 more than PM David Cameron who is paid £142,500
Start by getting rid chief exec Tony Reeves, who not only is a waste of resources but is paid £178,476 a year, which is £38,000 more than PM David Cameron who is paid £142,500 Avro
  • Score: 68

8:27am Fri 21 Feb 14

angry bradfordian says...

bingleybantam wrote:
Those that pay the council tax will be paying more, cuts to services, yet the council still finds £500,000 for the unions. Typical Labour looking after their own. Bradford Council = years of mis-management & not fit for purpose.
Completely agree.

I wonder if they received any comments on this during the consultation period?
Green seems keen to mention everything they've saved as part of the consultation process, so I wish I'd commented on what I believe the council SHOULDN'T be funding.
[quote][p][bold]bingleybantam[/bold] wrote: Those that pay the council tax will be paying more, cuts to services, yet the council still finds £500,000 for the unions. Typical Labour looking after their own. Bradford Council = years of mis-management & not fit for purpose.[/p][/quote]Completely agree. I wonder if they received any comments on this during the consultation period? Green seems keen to mention everything they've saved as part of the consultation process, so I wish I'd commented on what I believe the council SHOULDN'T be funding. angry bradfordian
  • Score: 21

8:29am Fri 21 Feb 14

wobbley-bob says...

Cut the umber of Councillors from 3 to 2 per ward..... That would save loads in travel, meeting and meal allowances, as well as the 30 wages.


Why do we need 3 Councillors for each ward anyway?.....
I'll bet not many people can name all 3 in their own ward. I can only recall 2 in mine. :-)
Cut the umber of Councillors from 3 to 2 per ward..... That would save loads in travel, meeting and meal allowances, as well as the 30 wages. Why do we need 3 Councillors for each ward anyway?..... I'll bet not many people can name all 3 in their own ward. I can only recall 2 in mine. :-) wobbley-bob
  • Score: 46

8:30am Fri 21 Feb 14

bd7 helper says...

So what next for bradford
So what next for bradford bd7 helper
  • Score: 1

9:10am Fri 21 Feb 14

Avro says...

I bet it curtails future events at City Park. Even Leeds City Council have had to axe future their Party in the Park event because it can no longer be afforded under council cuts
I bet it curtails future events at City Park. Even Leeds City Council have had to axe future their Party in the Park event because it can no longer be afforded under council cuts Avro
  • Score: 14

9:11am Fri 21 Feb 14

Joedavid says...

Avro wrote:
Start by getting rid chief exec Tony Reeves, who not only is a waste of resources but is paid £178,476 a year, which is £38,000 more than PM David Cameron who is paid £142,500
Disgrace amount of money.
Particularity when so much wrong in Bradford under his management we know what would happen to him if this was a business company with shareholders.
[quote][p][bold]Avro[/bold] wrote: Start by getting rid chief exec Tony Reeves, who not only is a waste of resources but is paid £178,476 a year, which is £38,000 more than PM David Cameron who is paid £142,500[/p][/quote]Disgrace amount of money. Particularity when so much wrong in Bradford under his management we know what would happen to him if this was a business company with shareholders. Joedavid
  • Score: 28

9:26am Fri 21 Feb 14

dazp says...

the only reason they have to put up council tax and cut services is due to the conservative government slashing budgets so if people want to blame anybody look no further than the chancellor and prime minister if you don't like it don't vote conservative simple
the only reason they have to put up council tax and cut services is due to the conservative government slashing budgets so if people want to blame anybody look no further than the chancellor and prime minister if you don't like it don't vote conservative simple dazp
  • Score: -12

9:29am Fri 21 Feb 14

dazp says...

wobbley-bob wrote:
Cut the umber of Councillors from 3 to 2 per ward..... That would save loads in travel, meeting and meal allowances, as well as the 30 wages.


Why do we need 3 Councillors for each ward anyway?.....
I'll bet not many people can name all 3 in their own ward. I can only recall 2 in mine. :-)
i cant name 1dont know who they are as ive never seen them. the only time i see a councilor in my ward doing the rounds is in May
[quote][p][bold]wobbley-bob[/bold] wrote: Cut the umber of Councillors from 3 to 2 per ward..... That would save loads in travel, meeting and meal allowances, as well as the 30 wages. Why do we need 3 Councillors for each ward anyway?..... I'll bet not many people can name all 3 in their own ward. I can only recall 2 in mine. :-)[/p][/quote]i cant name 1dont know who they are as ive never seen them. the only time i see a councilor in my ward doing the rounds is in May dazp
  • Score: 22

9:33am Fri 21 Feb 14

cockadoodledo says...

angry bradfordian wrote:
bingleybantam wrote:
Those that pay the council tax will be paying more, cuts to services, yet the council still finds £500,000 for the unions. Typical Labour looking after their own. Bradford Council = years of mis-management & not fit for purpose.
Completely agree.

I wonder if they received any comments on this during the consultation period?
Green seems keen to mention everything they've saved as part of the consultation process, so I wish I'd commented on what I believe the council SHOULDN'T be funding.
AGREE COMPLETELY, ALSO REDUCE WARD COUNCILLORS FROM 3 to 2, What's happening to the recycling? Are we short of wagons? In our area when it's recycle week, we have 2 recycle bins and one general waste bin to be emptied on the same day.Everything seems to be emptied into the same refuge wagon at the same time!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]angry bradfordian[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bingleybantam[/bold] wrote: Those that pay the council tax will be paying more, cuts to services, yet the council still finds £500,000 for the unions. Typical Labour looking after their own. Bradford Council = years of mis-management & not fit for purpose.[/p][/quote]Completely agree. I wonder if they received any comments on this during the consultation period? Green seems keen to mention everything they've saved as part of the consultation process, so I wish I'd commented on what I believe the council SHOULDN'T be funding.[/p][/quote]AGREE COMPLETELY, ALSO REDUCE WARD COUNCILLORS FROM 3 to 2, What's happening to the recycling? Are we short of wagons? In our area when it's recycle week, we have 2 recycle bins and one general waste bin to be emptied on the same day.Everything seems to be emptied into the same refuge wagon at the same time!!!!! cockadoodledo
  • Score: 14

9:37am Fri 21 Feb 14

alive and awake says...

Why have the T&A put the yes vote in a blue bar, instead of a red bar? subtle but very deliberate imo.
just been sick again looking at Green.
Why have the T&A put the yes vote in a blue bar, instead of a red bar? subtle but very deliberate imo. just been sick again looking at Green. alive and awake
  • Score: 7

10:16am Fri 21 Feb 14

BertSanders says...

We are where we are and austerity is stlll necessary and the Council is reacting reasonably- I agree with other posters that the Union support seems unduly generous and it has long been my opinion that there are too many elected representatives. It reminds me of the Co-op which ought to be our predominate retailer - but damaged itself by committees and bureaucracy - which fortunately I believe they have overcome.
We are where we are and austerity is stlll necessary and the Council is reacting reasonably- I agree with other posters that the Union support seems unduly generous and it has long been my opinion that there are too many elected representatives. It reminds me of the Co-op which ought to be our predominate retailer - but damaged itself by committees and bureaucracy - which fortunately I believe they have overcome. BertSanders
  • Score: 12

10:39am Fri 21 Feb 14

Joedavid says...

BertSanders wrote:
We are where we are and austerity is stlll necessary and the Council is reacting reasonably- I agree with other posters that the Union support seems unduly generous and it has long been my opinion that there are too many elected representatives. It reminds me of the Co-op which ought to be our predominate retailer - but damaged itself by committees and bureaucracy - which fortunately I believe they have overcome.
"... - which fortunately I believe they have overcome."
Well if they have why with more stores than anyone else are they not giving the Big three supermarkets a run for their money with better service and lower prices?
[quote][p][bold]BertSanders[/bold] wrote: We are where we are and austerity is stlll necessary and the Council is reacting reasonably- I agree with other posters that the Union support seems unduly generous and it has long been my opinion that there are too many elected representatives. It reminds me of the Co-op which ought to be our predominate retailer - but damaged itself by committees and bureaucracy - which fortunately I believe they have overcome.[/p][/quote]"... - which fortunately I believe they have overcome." Well if they have why with more stores than anyone else are they not giving the Big three supermarkets a run for their money with better service and lower prices? Joedavid
  • Score: 4

10:48am Fri 21 Feb 14

whisky1 says...

They can start by cutting the £750k pa they pay out to cover Teaching Union Reps when they are out of the classroom on UNION duties or the 200k plus they spent on livery for the stray horses they pick up. Start on unacceptable levels of absence from work and get it down to the levels in Private sector. Get efficiency levels to those in the private sector and they would more than cover the shortfall.
They can start by cutting the £750k pa they pay out to cover Teaching Union Reps when they are out of the classroom on UNION duties or the 200k plus they spent on livery for the stray horses they pick up. Start on unacceptable levels of absence from work and get it down to the levels in Private sector. Get efficiency levels to those in the private sector and they would more than cover the shortfall. whisky1
  • Score: 26

10:59am Fri 21 Feb 14

bfdresident says...

Bradford councillors you are scum. We watched you from the public gallery of the chamber and we today to say are disappointed would be a huge understatement we are absolutely gutted. Independents are by far the most spineless out of all bunch of cowards. Have you councillors forgotten the promises made after the Bradford Riots about helping the youth. Mark my words crime is going out of control and we will see what you will do.
Bradford councillors you are scum. We watched you from the public gallery of the chamber and we today to say are disappointed would be a huge understatement we are absolutely gutted. Independents are by far the most spineless out of all bunch of cowards. Have you councillors forgotten the promises made after the Bradford Riots about helping the youth. Mark my words crime is going out of control and we will see what you will do. bfdresident
  • Score: -4

11:02am Fri 21 Feb 14

The Hoffster says...

I guess Greens' and Reeves' jobs are nice and secure (no matter how much of a c*ck-up they make of this once-great City).
I guess Greens' and Reeves' jobs are nice and secure (no matter how much of a c*ck-up they make of this once-great City). The Hoffster
  • Score: 15

11:02am Fri 21 Feb 14

Thee Voice of Reason says...

£375k is to be saved by stopping community pride and similar publications. Why has this just been done now? £375k could have provided 10 to 20 elderly care staff during this period rather than them being sacked off in the last cull.
Union funding ringfenced again, can someone explain to me why union subs by employees don't cover their required representation?
1000's of jobs have been lost or cut in the last few years at the council but councillor numbers are still 90. What makes them a special case?
How many climate change and diversity offices do we still have? The T&A found out it was 5 costing us £270k per year in 2010, I would be very interested of that figure as of today.
Rising council tax when your party is shouting about helping people with the rising cost of living is laughable.
IF they get into power they will freeze energy prices but when they have power here they are the ones pushing up the cost of living.
Many households in Bradford can't just vote an increase in income for themselves, they adjust, use a cheaper supermarket, cut holidays, walk to work etc, the council in the private sector would be bankcrupt years ago.
£375k is to be saved by stopping community pride and similar publications. Why has this just been done now? £375k could have provided 10 to 20 elderly care staff during this period rather than them being sacked off in the last cull. Union funding ringfenced again, can someone explain to me why union subs by employees don't cover their required representation? 1000's of jobs have been lost or cut in the last few years at the council but councillor numbers are still 90. What makes them a special case? How many climate change and diversity offices do we still have? The T&A found out it was 5 costing us £270k per year in 2010, I would be very interested of that figure as of today. Rising council tax when your party is shouting about helping people with the rising cost of living is laughable. IF they get into power they will freeze energy prices but when they have power here they are the ones pushing up the cost of living. Many households in Bradford can't just vote an increase in income for themselves, they adjust, use a cheaper supermarket, cut holidays, walk to work etc, the council in the private sector would be bankcrupt years ago. Thee Voice of Reason
  • Score: 23

11:05am Fri 21 Feb 14

Albion. says...

The Hoffster wrote:
I guess Greens' and Reeves' jobs are nice and secure (no matter how much of a c*ck-up they make of this once-great City).
People thought that about Greenwood.
[quote][p][bold]The Hoffster[/bold] wrote: I guess Greens' and Reeves' jobs are nice and secure (no matter how much of a c*ck-up they make of this once-great City).[/p][/quote]People thought that about Greenwood. Albion.
  • Score: 11

11:12am Fri 21 Feb 14

angry bradfordian says...

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
£375k is to be saved by stopping community pride and similar publications. Why has this just been done now? £375k could have provided 10 to 20 elderly care staff during this period rather than them being sacked off in the last cull.
Union funding ringfenced again, can someone explain to me why union subs by employees don't cover their required representation?
1000's of jobs have been lost or cut in the last few years at the council but councillor numbers are still 90. What makes them a special case?
How many climate change and diversity offices do we still have? The T&A found out it was 5 costing us £270k per year in 2010, I would be very interested of that figure as of today.
Rising council tax when your party is shouting about helping people with the rising cost of living is laughable.
IF they get into power they will freeze energy prices but when they have power here they are the ones pushing up the cost of living.
Many households in Bradford can't just vote an increase in income for themselves, they adjust, use a cheaper supermarket, cut holidays, walk to work etc, the council in the private sector would be bankcrupt years ago.
Couldn't agree more about Community Pride. It's a disgrace that this council propaganda had been allowed to continue for so long when we're being constantly told about the 'savage cuts'

On the staffing cuts I see one of the savings being made is "Deleting unfilled posts from mental health assessment and support, saving £240,000" It seems unbelievable that whilst the council are telling us there are no jobs in Bradford they manage to have unfilled positions within their own organisation!
[quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: £375k is to be saved by stopping community pride and similar publications. Why has this just been done now? £375k could have provided 10 to 20 elderly care staff during this period rather than them being sacked off in the last cull. Union funding ringfenced again, can someone explain to me why union subs by employees don't cover their required representation? 1000's of jobs have been lost or cut in the last few years at the council but councillor numbers are still 90. What makes them a special case? How many climate change and diversity offices do we still have? The T&A found out it was 5 costing us £270k per year in 2010, I would be very interested of that figure as of today. Rising council tax when your party is shouting about helping people with the rising cost of living is laughable. IF they get into power they will freeze energy prices but when they have power here they are the ones pushing up the cost of living. Many households in Bradford can't just vote an increase in income for themselves, they adjust, use a cheaper supermarket, cut holidays, walk to work etc, the council in the private sector would be bankcrupt years ago.[/p][/quote]Couldn't agree more about Community Pride. It's a disgrace that this council propaganda had been allowed to continue for so long when we're being constantly told about the 'savage cuts' On the staffing cuts I see one of the savings being made is "Deleting unfilled posts from mental health assessment and support, saving £240,000" It seems unbelievable that whilst the council are telling us there are no jobs in Bradford they manage to have unfilled positions within their own organisation! angry bradfordian
  • Score: 5

11:35am Fri 21 Feb 14

Albion. says...

angry bradfordian wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
£375k is to be saved by stopping community pride and similar publications. Why has this just been done now? £375k could have provided 10 to 20 elderly care staff during this period rather than them being sacked off in the last cull.
Union funding ringfenced again, can someone explain to me why union subs by employees don't cover their required representation?
1000's of jobs have been lost or cut in the last few years at the council but councillor numbers are still 90. What makes them a special case?
How many climate change and diversity offices do we still have? The T&A found out it was 5 costing us £270k per year in 2010, I would be very interested of that figure as of today.
Rising council tax when your party is shouting about helping people with the rising cost of living is laughable.
IF they get into power they will freeze energy prices but when they have power here they are the ones pushing up the cost of living.
Many households in Bradford can't just vote an increase in income for themselves, they adjust, use a cheaper supermarket, cut holidays, walk to work etc, the council in the private sector would be bankcrupt years ago.
Couldn't agree more about Community Pride. It's a disgrace that this council propaganda had been allowed to continue for so long when we're being constantly told about the 'savage cuts'

On the staffing cuts I see one of the savings being made is "Deleting unfilled posts from mental health assessment and support, saving £240,000" It seems unbelievable that whilst the council are telling us there are no jobs in Bradford they manage to have unfilled positions within their own organisation!
I would imagine those posts would require certain skills and qualifications.
[quote][p][bold]angry bradfordian[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: £375k is to be saved by stopping community pride and similar publications. Why has this just been done now? £375k could have provided 10 to 20 elderly care staff during this period rather than them being sacked off in the last cull. Union funding ringfenced again, can someone explain to me why union subs by employees don't cover their required representation? 1000's of jobs have been lost or cut in the last few years at the council but councillor numbers are still 90. What makes them a special case? How many climate change and diversity offices do we still have? The T&A found out it was 5 costing us £270k per year in 2010, I would be very interested of that figure as of today. Rising council tax when your party is shouting about helping people with the rising cost of living is laughable. IF they get into power they will freeze energy prices but when they have power here they are the ones pushing up the cost of living. Many households in Bradford can't just vote an increase in income for themselves, they adjust, use a cheaper supermarket, cut holidays, walk to work etc, the council in the private sector would be bankcrupt years ago.[/p][/quote]Couldn't agree more about Community Pride. It's a disgrace that this council propaganda had been allowed to continue for so long when we're being constantly told about the 'savage cuts' On the staffing cuts I see one of the savings being made is "Deleting unfilled posts from mental health assessment and support, saving £240,000" It seems unbelievable that whilst the council are telling us there are no jobs in Bradford they manage to have unfilled positions within their own organisation![/p][/quote]I would imagine those posts would require certain skills and qualifications. Albion.
  • Score: 7

1:43pm Fri 21 Feb 14

allinittogether says...

Which part of £115m cuts do you lot not understand? That's £115,000,000 slashed from the budget imposed by the Tory/LibDem coalition, no wonder Council Tax has to go up.
There are even Tory led councils down south that are raising council tax by even more because they can't manage.
If you're not happy point the finger squarely where the blame lies, the government, and get them out in 2015.
Don't forget it's "money's no object" when it's the Tory heartlands are affected floods. The rest can go hang, where was he weeks earlier when Somerset was hit?
Which part of £115m cuts do you lot not understand? That's £115,000,000 slashed from the budget imposed by the Tory/LibDem coalition, no wonder Council Tax has to go up. There are even Tory led councils down south that are raising council tax by even more because they can't manage. If you're not happy point the finger squarely where the blame lies, the government, and get them out in 2015. Don't forget it's "money's no object" when it's the Tory heartlands are affected floods. The rest can go hang, where was he weeks earlier when Somerset was hit? allinittogether
  • Score: -12

2:06pm Fri 21 Feb 14

Thee Voice of Reason says...

allinittogether wrote:
Which part of £115m cuts do you lot not understand? That's £115,000,000 slashed from the budget imposed by the Tory/LibDem coalition, no wonder Council Tax has to go up.
There are even Tory led councils down south that are raising council tax by even more because they can't manage.
If you're not happy point the finger squarely where the blame lies, the government, and get them out in 2015.
Don't forget it's "money's no object" when it's the Tory heartlands are affected floods. The rest can go hang, where was he weeks earlier when Somerset was hit?
The cuts are there because the country is in massive debt and needs to live within its means. The spending was unastainable at its previous levels.
Don't think if you vote labour in they will throw money at councils because they can't there is no money to throw.
£375k was being spent on a council propaganda leaflet, there is a BMW worth over £50k on the councils books when no doubt a £20k ford focus would do its job.
The council tax rise is to protect those sat on the gravy train. Ensure all management and councillors are retained at the coat of services and frontline staff.
Make the public suffer then blame the government, not do the best of what they have.
[quote][p][bold]allinittogether[/bold] wrote: Which part of £115m cuts do you lot not understand? That's £115,000,000 slashed from the budget imposed by the Tory/LibDem coalition, no wonder Council Tax has to go up. There are even Tory led councils down south that are raising council tax by even more because they can't manage. If you're not happy point the finger squarely where the blame lies, the government, and get them out in 2015. Don't forget it's "money's no object" when it's the Tory heartlands are affected floods. The rest can go hang, where was he weeks earlier when Somerset was hit?[/p][/quote]The cuts are there because the country is in massive debt and needs to live within its means. The spending was unastainable at its previous levels. Don't think if you vote labour in they will throw money at councils because they can't there is no money to throw. £375k was being spent on a council propaganda leaflet, there is a BMW worth over £50k on the councils books when no doubt a £20k ford focus would do its job. The council tax rise is to protect those sat on the gravy train. Ensure all management and councillors are retained at the coat of services and frontline staff. Make the public suffer then blame the government, not do the best of what they have. Thee Voice of Reason
  • Score: 17

2:56pm Fri 21 Feb 14

Thee Voice of Reason says...

Lets not forget this is a council who allocated £350k to a gypsy campsite that had £250k spent on it a few years go.
They are bunging Westfield with millions via the growth zone to get them building.
Lets not forget this is a council who allocated £350k to a gypsy campsite that had £250k spent on it a few years go. They are bunging Westfield with millions via the growth zone to get them building. Thee Voice of Reason
  • Score: 13

4:34pm Fri 21 Feb 14

ever the optimist says...

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
Lets not forget this is a council who allocated £350k to a gypsy campsite that had £250k spent on it a few years go.
They are bunging Westfield with millions via the growth zone to get them building.
Maybe the gypsies are going to repair Bradford's. Network of roads as an appreciative gesture :-)
[quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: Lets not forget this is a council who allocated £350k to a gypsy campsite that had £250k spent on it a few years go. They are bunging Westfield with millions via the growth zone to get them building.[/p][/quote]Maybe the gypsies are going to repair Bradford's. Network of roads as an appreciative gesture :-) ever the optimist
  • Score: 2

4:35pm Fri 21 Feb 14

ever the optimist says...

ever the optimist wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
Lets not forget this is a council who allocated £350k to a gypsy campsite that had £250k spent on it a few years go.
They are bunging Westfield with millions via the growth zone to get them building.
Maybe the gypsies are going to repair Bradford's. Network of roads as an appreciative gesture :-)
Fat fingers apologies for the grammar
[quote][p][bold]ever the optimist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: Lets not forget this is a council who allocated £350k to a gypsy campsite that had £250k spent on it a few years go. They are bunging Westfield with millions via the growth zone to get them building.[/p][/quote]Maybe the gypsies are going to repair Bradford's. Network of roads as an appreciative gesture :-)[/p][/quote]Fat fingers apologies for the grammar ever the optimist
  • Score: 1

5:20pm Fri 21 Feb 14

Johsay says...

'thinking about what we want from the council going forward'

Perhaps more than what we've had in the past, £100 a month it'll now cost me for council tax, What a shocking waste of money.
'thinking about what we want from the council going forward' Perhaps more than what we've had in the past, £100 a month it'll now cost me for council tax, What a shocking waste of money. Johsay
  • Score: 6

5:28pm Fri 21 Feb 14

bingleybantam says...

Let's not forget the £250,000 "loan" to their old mate Gerry Sutcliffe and The Bulls, which they will be lucky to get 1p in the £ when the administrator gets involved. Council tax payers are just throwing good money after bad with these clowns in charge. The best move would be for the Aire Valley & outlying areas to become independent from Bradford. This way we will see a return for our taxes paid in our area not the City cesspit.
Let's not forget the £250,000 "loan" to their old mate Gerry Sutcliffe and The Bulls, which they will be lucky to get 1p in the £ when the administrator gets involved. Council tax payers are just throwing good money after bad with these clowns in charge. The best move would be for the Aire Valley & outlying areas to become independent from Bradford. This way we will see a return for our taxes paid in our area not the City cesspit. bingleybantam
  • Score: 15

5:48pm Fri 21 Feb 14

Yorkshire Lass says...

Albion. wrote:
The Hoffster wrote:
I guess Greens' and Reeves' jobs are nice and secure (no matter how much of a c*ck-up they make of this once-great City).
People thought that about Greenwood.
But look how many years it took for the voters to get shut of Greenwood as a councillor and who did they vote for - Galloway no less. Do people of Bradford really understand how the system works, or do they vote for who thinks will do the best for them and then get let down year after year?
[quote][p][bold]Albion.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Hoffster[/bold] wrote: I guess Greens' and Reeves' jobs are nice and secure (no matter how much of a c*ck-up they make of this once-great City).[/p][/quote]People thought that about Greenwood.[/p][/quote]But look how many years it took for the voters to get shut of Greenwood as a councillor and who did they vote for - Galloway no less. Do people of Bradford really understand how the system works, or do they vote for who thinks will do the best for them and then get let down year after year? Yorkshire Lass
  • Score: 2

6:03pm Fri 21 Feb 14

Albion. says...

Yorkshire Lass wrote:
Albion. wrote:
The Hoffster wrote:
I guess Greens' and Reeves' jobs are nice and secure (no matter how much of a c*ck-up they make of this once-great City).
People thought that about Greenwood.
But look how many years it took for the voters to get shut of Greenwood as a councillor and who did they vote for - Galloway no less. Do people of Bradford really understand how the system works, or do they vote for who thinks will do the best for them and then get let down year after year?
Well SOME voters are gullible. Actually it wasn't Galloway, just one of his puppets.
[quote][p][bold]Yorkshire Lass[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Hoffster[/bold] wrote: I guess Greens' and Reeves' jobs are nice and secure (no matter how much of a c*ck-up they make of this once-great City).[/p][/quote]People thought that about Greenwood.[/p][/quote]But look how many years it took for the voters to get shut of Greenwood as a councillor and who did they vote for - Galloway no less. Do people of Bradford really understand how the system works, or do they vote for who thinks will do the best for them and then get let down year after year?[/p][/quote]Well SOME voters are gullible. Actually it wasn't Galloway, just one of his puppets. Albion.
  • Score: 2

7:45pm Fri 21 Feb 14

Mik_e says...

The Chief Executive Tony Reeve and the hand full of senior council officers, who we hardly ever see or hear of, let alone get to know what they actually do to justify their £100, 000 plus salaries, are a complete waste of council tax payers money. Get rid of them and save over half a millions pounds straight away.
The Chief Executive Tony Reeve and the hand full of senior council officers, who we hardly ever see or hear of, let alone get to know what they actually do to justify their £100, 000 plus salaries, are a complete waste of council tax payers money. Get rid of them and save over half a millions pounds straight away. Mik_e
  • Score: 5

7:55pm Fri 21 Feb 14

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  • Score: -4

8:13pm Fri 21 Feb 14

Gabbysgran says...

I've said it before and I'll say it again, Bradford Council is top heavy. When I worked there there were 5 layers of management above me, only those at the bottom did anything, the other layers spent their time going to meetings and filling in diversity forms! Can someone kindly tell me what "service managers" actually do because I do not have a clue!
I've said it before and I'll say it again, Bradford Council is top heavy. When I worked there there were 5 layers of management above me, only those at the bottom did anything, the other layers spent their time going to meetings and filling in diversity forms! Can someone kindly tell me what "service managers" actually do because I do not have a clue! Gabbysgran
  • Score: 16

9:57pm Fri 21 Feb 14

BertSanders says...

Gabbysgran wrote:
I've said it before and I'll say it again, Bradford Council is top heavy. When I worked there there were 5 layers of management above me, only those at the bottom did anything, the other layers spent their time going to meetings and filling in diversity forms! Can someone kindly tell me what "service managers" actually do because I do not have a clue!
They might have to do more when they are 650 people less - but my guess is that it will still be overstaffed . Gordon bulked it up, but it is harder to slim down.
[quote][p][bold]Gabbysgran[/bold] wrote: I've said it before and I'll say it again, Bradford Council is top heavy. When I worked there there were 5 layers of management above me, only those at the bottom did anything, the other layers spent their time going to meetings and filling in diversity forms! Can someone kindly tell me what "service managers" actually do because I do not have a clue![/p][/quote]They might have to do more when they are 650 people less - but my guess is that it will still be overstaffed . Gordon bulked it up, but it is harder to slim down. BertSanders
  • Score: 7

10:22pm Fri 21 Feb 14

WayneRouke says...

I no longer give a monkeys what Bradford Council get up to.

They no longer waste my money.. I got out while I could. Happy to pay Council tax in my new place of residence, because the money is not wasted on the vanity of councillors and not on 'projects' I disapprove of.
I no longer give a monkeys what Bradford Council get up to. They no longer waste my money.. I got out while I could. Happy to pay Council tax in my new place of residence, because the money is not wasted on the vanity of councillors and not on 'projects' I disapprove of. WayneRouke
  • Score: 3

4:09pm Sat 22 Feb 14

webshow says...

Cllr statement:
"None of these proposals are ones we would make if we were masters of our own destiny"
Yes if they were in charge we would see the council tax double. The people in charge of the council let down the public with their never ending tax increases. People who work with no reliance on benefits feel this hard especially in the current economic climate and the 1.6% increase should be minus 1.6% and the next few years declining to affordable levels again.
If the top brass have to take a salary and pensions cut then so be it. If they really feel compassionate about local services then why are they not talking about reducing the salary and pension bill? Recent comparisons show the middle and top tier are already paid better than the private sector.
Cllr statement: "None of these proposals are ones we would make if we were masters of our own destiny" Yes if they were in charge we would see the council tax double. The people in charge of the council let down the public with their never ending tax increases. People who work with no reliance on benefits feel this hard especially in the current economic climate and the 1.6% increase should be minus 1.6% and the next few years declining to affordable levels again. If the top brass have to take a salary and pensions cut then so be it. If they really feel compassionate about local services then why are they not talking about reducing the salary and pension bill? Recent comparisons show the middle and top tier are already paid better than the private sector. webshow
  • Score: 2

5:51pm Sat 22 Feb 14

Arhmen Noleg says...

bingleybantam wrote:
Let's not forget the £250,000 "loan" to their old mate Gerry Sutcliffe and The Bulls, which they will be lucky to get 1p in the £ when the administrator gets involved. Council tax payers are just throwing good money after bad with these clowns in charge. The best move would be for the Aire Valley & outlying areas to become independent from Bradford. This way we will see a return for our taxes paid in our area not the City cesspit.
And failing to collect from Bulls 150000 in unpaid rent and rates over 18 months.

Disgrace REEVES SUTCLIFFE GREEN THORNTON (season ticket holder and GREENWOOD.
Bulls nepotism money that will never be recovered
[quote][p][bold]bingleybantam[/bold] wrote: Let's not forget the £250,000 "loan" to their old mate Gerry Sutcliffe and The Bulls, which they will be lucky to get 1p in the £ when the administrator gets involved. Council tax payers are just throwing good money after bad with these clowns in charge. The best move would be for the Aire Valley & outlying areas to become independent from Bradford. This way we will see a return for our taxes paid in our area not the City cesspit.[/p][/quote]And failing to collect from Bulls 150000 in unpaid rent and rates over 18 months. Disgrace REEVES SUTCLIFFE GREEN THORNTON (season ticket holder and GREENWOOD. Bulls nepotism money that will never be recovered Arhmen Noleg
  • Score: 4

8:26pm Tue 25 Feb 14

notvery funny says...

whisky1 wrote:
They can start by cutting the £750k pa they pay out to cover Teaching Union Reps when they are out of the classroom on UNION duties or the 200k plus they spent on livery for the stray horses they pick up. Start on unacceptable levels of absence from work and get it down to the levels in Private sector. Get efficiency levels to those in the private sector and they would more than cover the shortfall.
Protestors made their voices heard over proposed sick pay cuts before Calderdale Council budget meeting and won it … No change to the sick policy at Calderdale Council… I wonder if Councilors are entitled to the sick pay whilst working for the council.

That is not a statement but a questions, I have tried to find out the answer on the Web but was unable to do so. Please enlighten me.
[quote][p][bold]whisky1[/bold] wrote: They can start by cutting the £750k pa they pay out to cover Teaching Union Reps when they are out of the classroom on UNION duties or the 200k plus they spent on livery for the stray horses they pick up. Start on unacceptable levels of absence from work and get it down to the levels in Private sector. Get efficiency levels to those in the private sector and they would more than cover the shortfall.[/p][/quote]Protestors made their voices heard over proposed sick pay cuts before Calderdale Council budget meeting and won it … No change to the sick policy at Calderdale Council… I wonder if Councilors are entitled to the sick pay whilst working for the council. That is not a statement but a questions, I have tried to find out the answer on the Web but was unable to do so. Please enlighten me. notvery funny
  • Score: 0

8:46pm Tue 25 Feb 14

notvery funny says...

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
£375k is to be saved by stopping community pride and similar publications. Why has this just been done now? £375k could have provided 10 to 20 elderly care staff during this period rather than them being sacked off in the last cull.
Union funding ringfenced again, can someone explain to me why union subs by employees don't cover their required representation?
1000's of jobs have been lost or cut in the last few years at the council but councillor numbers are still 90. What makes them a special case?
How many climate change and diversity offices do we still have? The T&A found out it was 5 costing us £270k per year in 2010, I would be very interested of that figure as of today.
Rising council tax when your party is shouting about helping people with the rising cost of living is laughable.
IF they get into power they will freeze energy prices but when they have power here they are the ones pushing up the cost of living.
Many households in Bradford can't just vote an increase in income for themselves, they adjust, use a cheaper supermarket, cut holidays, walk to work etc, the council in the private sector would be bankcrupt years ago.
Community pride and similar publications just reinforce what a great job the council do…. Its there public relations mouth piece , and a big form of propaganda, to persuade public opinion in favor… don’t they really know it get thrown in the bin with the rest of pizza , chicken and chips offer… If we need it … why not email it to us. Please stop wasting our money.
[quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: £375k is to be saved by stopping community pride and similar publications. Why has this just been done now? £375k could have provided 10 to 20 elderly care staff during this period rather than them being sacked off in the last cull. Union funding ringfenced again, can someone explain to me why union subs by employees don't cover their required representation? 1000's of jobs have been lost or cut in the last few years at the council but councillor numbers are still 90. What makes them a special case? How many climate change and diversity offices do we still have? The T&A found out it was 5 costing us £270k per year in 2010, I would be very interested of that figure as of today. Rising council tax when your party is shouting about helping people with the rising cost of living is laughable. IF they get into power they will freeze energy prices but when they have power here they are the ones pushing up the cost of living. Many households in Bradford can't just vote an increase in income for themselves, they adjust, use a cheaper supermarket, cut holidays, walk to work etc, the council in the private sector would be bankcrupt years ago.[/p][/quote]Community pride and similar publications just reinforce what a great job the council do…. Its there public relations mouth piece , and a big form of propaganda, to persuade public opinion in favor… don’t they really know it get thrown in the bin with the rest of pizza , chicken and chips offer… If we need it … why not email it to us. Please stop wasting our money. notvery funny
  • Score: 0

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