Bradford MPs divided on anonymity for men accused of rape in wake of William Roache trial

Bradford Telegraph and Argus: William Roache William Roache

The debate about whether people accused of rape should have anonymity has divided opinion among Bradford MPs.

The issue is back in the spotlight following the high-profile acquittal of Coronation Street stalwart William Roache.

The actor was cleared at Preston Crown Court on Wednesday of committing historic sex offences against five women, following a four week trial.

Bradford West MP George Galloway thrashed out the “tricky” issue during Thursday’s broadcast of Question Time.

“When accusations are made and the accused is named, sometimes people come forward with evidence and other allegations. So such a measure would mitigate against that,” he said, adding that he thought the matter would “return to the agenda in a very big way.”

Yesterday he said: “There should be anonymity for accused in sex cases unless there is an overwhelming reason why not.

“It is a difficult issue.”

This case has given ammunition to those calling for a fresh look at the question of anonymity and that might not be a bad thing.”

Bradford East MP David Ward agreed it was a difficult issue, but said those standing trial for other crimes did not have anonymity, so why should rape be any different. He said if a victim saw someone else had accused her attacker of rape, she was more likely to come forward.

“It’s very much an unreported crime and women for obvious reasons are often very, very reluctant to come forward and on the basis that people are innocent until proven guilty, I actually do not support the anonymity,” the Lib Dem MP said.

Shipley MP Philip Davies agreed and said open justice was vital.

“It must be terrible to be accused of rape if you didn’t do it,” he said.

“I can barely think of anything worse to be accused of. But on balance I do think people should be named.”

“I don’t really want police and state to be able to round people up and try them without anybody knowing about it. That’s the type of thing that used to happen in the Soviet Union.”

Keighley MP Kris Hopkins said: “While some women undoubtedly do come forward to make false allegations for malicious purposes, their number is completely outweighed by those whose cases are genuine.”

The End Violence Against Women Coalition and Rape Crisis England and Wales dismissed ideas that fake accusations of rape are common.

“A CPS report last year found that so-called fake allegations of rape are very rare,” a spokesman said, adding that high-profile reporting of rape cases often led to a spike in calls to Rape Crisis.

“Acquittals of high-profile men are usually followed by calls for a change in the law on anonymity for defendants. We repeat, legal experts have concluded this would have a negative impact on access to justice for rape victims,” the spokesman said.

Keighley MP Kris Hopkins said: “I believe the current system works well.

“Whilst I have every sympathy with the ordeal faced by defendants who are ultimately found to be innocent, on balance, I would not be in favour of change.”

The Bradford Rape Crisis Helpline can be contacted on (01274) 308270 or by texting 07435 752975.

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9:22am Sat 8 Feb 14

Freddy Elliot says...

I had my doubts about Kevin Webster but I always thought Ken Barlow would come up Rosie.
I had my doubts about Kevin Webster but I always thought Ken Barlow would come up Rosie. Freddy Elliot
  • Score: 4

9:52am Sat 8 Feb 14

BertSanders says...

Galloways views are almost certain to be wrong - I thoughr Questiontime was turned into pointless arguement between him and Starkey - the program would have been more entertaining had they got to fisticuffs and it was a pity they were not sitting together. He is programmed towards male dominance I believe..
Galloways views are almost certain to be wrong - I thoughr Questiontime was turned into pointless arguement between him and Starkey - the program would have been more entertaining had they got to fisticuffs and it was a pity they were not sitting together. He is programmed towards male dominance I believe.. BertSanders
  • Score: 2

10:06am Sat 8 Feb 14

Joedavid says...

Did anyone read in any reports as to who is paying the costs of this case?
Did anyone read in any reports as to who is paying the costs of this case? Joedavid
  • Score: 4

10:21am Sat 8 Feb 14

MontyLeMar says...

What a nightmare! Sexual attraction is the most powerful force on earth. Good luck to anyone tasked with the job of sorting out the post-coital calamities that arise from time to time.
What a nightmare! Sexual attraction is the most powerful force on earth. Good luck to anyone tasked with the job of sorting out the post-coital calamities that arise from time to time. MontyLeMar
  • Score: 3

10:33am Sat 8 Feb 14

Thee Voice of Reason says...

We live in a world where the media presume you guilty till proven innocent. I feel sorry for the actors and their families who must have gone through hell on earth to be then proven not guilty by a court of law.
We live in a world where the media presume you guilty till proven innocent. I feel sorry for the actors and their families who must have gone through hell on earth to be then proven not guilty by a court of law. Thee Voice of Reason
  • Score: 5

10:45am Sat 8 Feb 14

MontyLeMar says...

Joedavid wrote:
Did anyone read in any reports as to who is paying the costs of this case?
A good question. I haven't heard any exact figures but I'm sure I heard a comment from the CPS explaining that they brought the prosecution because they thought they had a good chance of winning. This leads me to believe that the CPS will be picking up the bill. In other words you and I, the tax payer. It has got to be unfair if Roache has to pick up a bill if he is innocent. Shouldn't the judge make a ruling on this matter?
[quote][p][bold]Joedavid[/bold] wrote: Did anyone read in any reports as to who is paying the costs of this case?[/p][/quote]A good question. I haven't heard any exact figures but I'm sure I heard a comment from the CPS explaining that they brought the prosecution because they thought they had a good chance of winning. This leads me to believe that the CPS will be picking up the bill. In other words you and I, the tax payer. It has got to be unfair if Roache has to pick up a bill if he is innocent. Shouldn't the judge make a ruling on this matter? MontyLeMar
  • Score: 3

10:54am Sat 8 Feb 14

theoutsider says...

The way this should work is this; someone goes to Police accuses another of the crime. Police decide to interview accused; but on the understanding of the accuser that he/she will be named from the outset

If the accuser desires total anonymity then he/she can have this IF the accused is also afforded total anonymity.

What happens is the accuser gets to hide behind a screen of secrecy and can pretty much say and do what the hell they like; whilst the accused is subject of a 'witch hunt' and will probably be labelled for life even if they are acquitted.

As we see with all these recent cases (mostly 1970's celebrities) its just open season for a load of 'victims' to come out the wood work and hope for a 'pay day'.

Had the Bill Roche case had gone against him. You can bet a pound to a penny that some women would have been in the Sun this weekend with her expose story ..you can see the headline now 'I was 16 but he Corried on regardless'.

Its nothing to do with victims being afraid to report a crime if they were to be named. A crimes a crime and if it has been committed there's no need to hide behind a screen of secrecy whilst the accused is hung out to dry in public.
The way this should work is this; someone goes to Police accuses another of the crime. Police decide to interview accused; but on the understanding of the accuser that he/she will be named from the outset If the accuser desires total anonymity then he/she can have this IF the accused is also afforded total anonymity. What happens is the accuser gets to hide behind a screen of secrecy and can pretty much say and do what the hell they like; whilst the accused is subject of a 'witch hunt' and will probably be labelled for life even if they are acquitted. As we see with all these recent cases (mostly 1970's celebrities) its just open season for a load of 'victims' to come out the wood work and hope for a 'pay day'. Had the Bill Roche case had gone against him. You can bet a pound to a penny that some women would have been in the Sun this weekend with her expose story ..you can see the headline now 'I was 16 but he Corried on regardless'. Its nothing to do with victims being afraid to report a crime if they were to be named. A crimes a crime and if it has been committed there's no need to hide behind a screen of secrecy whilst the accused is hung out to dry in public. theoutsider
  • Score: 8

10:55am Sat 8 Feb 14

Albion. says...

MontyLeMar wrote:
Joedavid wrote:
Did anyone read in any reports as to who is paying the costs of this case?
A good question. I haven't heard any exact figures but I'm sure I heard a comment from the CPS explaining that they brought the prosecution because they thought they had a good chance of winning. This leads me to believe that the CPS will be picking up the bill. In other words you and I, the tax payer. It has got to be unfair if Roache has to pick up a bill if he is innocent. Shouldn't the judge make a ruling on this matter?
I think Bill Roache has to pay his own defence costs, DLT reckons he's had to sell his house to pay his.
[quote][p][bold]MontyLeMar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Joedavid[/bold] wrote: Did anyone read in any reports as to who is paying the costs of this case?[/p][/quote]A good question. I haven't heard any exact figures but I'm sure I heard a comment from the CPS explaining that they brought the prosecution because they thought they had a good chance of winning. This leads me to believe that the CPS will be picking up the bill. In other words you and I, the tax payer. It has got to be unfair if Roache has to pick up a bill if he is innocent. Shouldn't the judge make a ruling on this matter?[/p][/quote]I think Bill Roache has to pay his own defence costs, DLT reckons he's had to sell his house to pay his. Albion.
  • Score: 4

11:09am Sat 8 Feb 14

MontyLeMar says...

Albion. wrote:
MontyLeMar wrote:
Joedavid wrote:
Did anyone read in any reports as to who is paying the costs of this case?
A good question. I haven't heard any exact figures but I'm sure I heard a comment from the CPS explaining that they brought the prosecution because they thought they had a good chance of winning. This leads me to believe that the CPS will be picking up the bill. In other words you and I, the tax payer. It has got to be unfair if Roache has to pick up a bill if he is innocent. Shouldn't the judge make a ruling on this matter?
I think Bill Roache has to pay his own defence costs, DLT reckons he's had to sell his house to pay his.
Yes, I saw that but that has got to be wrong. He hasn't even been found guilty or innocent but he admits his life is now f****d, as he put it. No money, no job, smaller house. But I see he is mounting the same defence as Roache and Le Vell and denies he ever met the victims. It will be interesting to see how that plays out. Hard to see how the defendant in such cases can avoid big losses when the lawyers are demanding payment from day one and the accusers are probably on Legal Aid and with very few assets.
[quote][p][bold]Albion.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MontyLeMar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Joedavid[/bold] wrote: Did anyone read in any reports as to who is paying the costs of this case?[/p][/quote]A good question. I haven't heard any exact figures but I'm sure I heard a comment from the CPS explaining that they brought the prosecution because they thought they had a good chance of winning. This leads me to believe that the CPS will be picking up the bill. In other words you and I, the tax payer. It has got to be unfair if Roache has to pick up a bill if he is innocent. Shouldn't the judge make a ruling on this matter?[/p][/quote]I think Bill Roache has to pay his own defence costs, DLT reckons he's had to sell his house to pay his.[/p][/quote]Yes, I saw that but that has got to be wrong. He hasn't even been found guilty or innocent but he admits his life is now f****d, as he put it. No money, no job, smaller house. But I see he is mounting the same defence as Roache and Le Vell and denies he ever met the victims. It will be interesting to see how that plays out. Hard to see how the defendant in such cases can avoid big losses when the lawyers are demanding payment from day one and the accusers are probably on Legal Aid and with very few assets. MontyLeMar
  • Score: 5

11:36am Sat 8 Feb 14

G_Firth says...

William Roache was very insightful when he said "There are no winners here. Only losers" Because he knows even though he has been cleared the stigma will live with him forever.
On top of which full disclose could also mar the judgement in either direction.
All allegations should be brought to trial regardless of who what when or where but on full anonymity for both parties and only when found guilty should that name be released.
William Roache was very insightful when he said "There are no winners here. Only losers" Because he knows even though he has been cleared the stigma will live with him forever. On top of which full disclose could also mar the judgement in either direction. All allegations should be brought to trial regardless of who what when or where but on full anonymity for both parties and only when found guilty should that name be released. G_Firth
  • Score: 4

12:06pm Sat 8 Feb 14

bd7 helper says...

George must be looking for attention stop wasting time and move on
George must be looking for attention stop wasting time and move on bd7 helper
  • Score: -3

6:48pm Sat 8 Feb 14

Mr Tii says...

I blame Jimmy ! He never fixed it for me !
I blame Jimmy ! He never fixed it for me ! Mr Tii
  • Score: 1

7:21pm Sat 8 Feb 14

Avro says...

MontyLeMar wrote:
Albion. wrote:
MontyLeMar wrote:
Joedavid wrote:
Did anyone read in any reports as to who is paying the costs of this case?
A good question. I haven't heard any exact figures but I'm sure I heard a comment from the CPS explaining that they brought the prosecution because they thought they had a good chance of winning. This leads me to believe that the CPS will be picking up the bill. In other words you and I, the tax payer. It has got to be unfair if Roache has to pick up a bill if he is innocent. Shouldn't the judge make a ruling on this matter?
I think Bill Roache has to pay his own defence costs, DLT reckons he's had to sell his house to pay his.
Yes, I saw that but that has got to be wrong. He hasn't even been found guilty or innocent but he admits his life is now f****d, as he put it. No money, no job, smaller house. But I see he is mounting the same defence as Roache and Le Vell and denies he ever met the victims. It will be interesting to see how that plays out. Hard to see how the defendant in such cases can avoid big losses when the lawyers are demanding payment from day one and the accusers are probably on Legal Aid and with very few assets.
Jim Davidson was the same, and worse still tarred with a brush that had nothing to do with kids and cleared of the charges,yet will always be looked on by some as having no smoke without fire..
[quote][p][bold]MontyLeMar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MontyLeMar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Joedavid[/bold] wrote: Did anyone read in any reports as to who is paying the costs of this case?[/p][/quote]A good question. I haven't heard any exact figures but I'm sure I heard a comment from the CPS explaining that they brought the prosecution because they thought they had a good chance of winning. This leads me to believe that the CPS will be picking up the bill. In other words you and I, the tax payer. It has got to be unfair if Roache has to pick up a bill if he is innocent. Shouldn't the judge make a ruling on this matter?[/p][/quote]I think Bill Roache has to pay his own defence costs, DLT reckons he's had to sell his house to pay his.[/p][/quote]Yes, I saw that but that has got to be wrong. He hasn't even been found guilty or innocent but he admits his life is now f****d, as he put it. No money, no job, smaller house. But I see he is mounting the same defence as Roache and Le Vell and denies he ever met the victims. It will be interesting to see how that plays out. Hard to see how the defendant in such cases can avoid big losses when the lawyers are demanding payment from day one and the accusers are probably on Legal Aid and with very few assets.[/p][/quote]Jim Davidson was the same, and worse still tarred with a brush that had nothing to do with kids and cleared of the charges,yet will always be looked on by some as having no smoke without fire.. Avro
  • Score: 4

11:30pm Sat 8 Feb 14

Sharonno says...

I think if the charges were found to be false, the accusers should have to pay the costs, that way people who think they can just accuse and get away with it might think twice before they start accusing, I notice they don't seem to have their names released after the case, even though the person they accused have their names all over the news
I think if the charges were found to be false, the accusers should have to pay the costs, that way people who think they can just accuse and get away with it might think twice before they start accusing, I notice they don't seem to have their names released after the case, even though the person they accused have their names all over the news Sharonno
  • Score: 11

8:09am Sun 9 Feb 14

Angel of mercy says...

Justice is only partly served whilst making false and malicious allegations are allowed to walk away Scott free at the tax payers expense and their full anonymity in tact . In the interests of justice and all genuine victims of this heinous crime each and everyone found to be making false so called false allegations should be tried for perverting the course of justice, the police and the CPS held accountable. Speaking from a voice of experience cases with little or no evidence are being investigated by the police and the CPS because of political pressures post Jimmy Saville.

MP's must put a stop to this witch hunt and criminalise those making false and malicious allegations who are evidently out to harass and extort monies. Whilst the CPS would lead us to believe false allegations to be rare! Poppycock the recent tabloids speak for themselves and those statements by the CPS a total misnomer. What do you say MP Kris Hopkinson ? I say the truth will out as will out (anonymity or not)
Justice is only partly served whilst making false and malicious allegations are allowed to walk away Scott free at the tax payers expense and their full anonymity in tact . In the interests of justice and all genuine victims of this heinous crime each and everyone found to be making false so called false allegations should be tried for perverting the course of justice, the police and the CPS held accountable. Speaking from a voice of experience cases with little or no evidence are being investigated by the police and the CPS because of political pressures post Jimmy Saville. MP's must put a stop to this witch hunt and criminalise those making false and malicious allegations who are evidently out to harass and extort monies. Whilst the CPS would lead us to believe false allegations to be rare! Poppycock the recent tabloids speak for themselves and those statements by the CPS a total misnomer. What do you say MP Kris Hopkinson ? I say the truth will out as will out (anonymity or not) Angel of mercy
  • Score: 5

10:15am Sun 9 Feb 14

alive and awake says...

Only one winner the Lawers, the CPS should share some of the blame, but things have now got out of hand as usual. I always thought Jimmy Saville came across as being a bit fond. I cannot however believe that all of the 100s/1000s of "victims" are genuine and we will never know. Anyone found making false accusations should be punished in the extreme. Lying is one of the worst offences imaginable. My dear old Dad used to say "A liar can get you hung"
Only one winner the Lawers, the CPS should share some of the blame, but things have now got out of hand as usual. I always thought Jimmy Saville came across as being a bit fond. I cannot however believe that all of the 100s/1000s of "victims" are genuine and we will never know. Anyone found making false accusations should be punished in the extreme. Lying is one of the worst offences imaginable. My dear old Dad used to say "A liar can get you hung" alive and awake
  • Score: 1

11:01am Sun 9 Feb 14

bcfc1903 says...

bd7 helper wrote:
George must be looking for attention stop wasting time and move on
George Galloway is the best MP we've had in Bradford probably since Fred Jowett, when you look at the dross we've had over the years like for example the 'braincell deficient' David Ward need I say more, hopefully he'll get re-elected in the Bradford West seat!!!
[quote][p][bold]bd7 helper[/bold] wrote: George must be looking for attention stop wasting time and move on[/p][/quote]George Galloway is the best MP we've had in Bradford probably since Fred Jowett, when you look at the dross we've had over the years like for example the 'braincell deficient' David Ward need I say more, hopefully he'll get re-elected in the Bradford West seat!!! bcfc1903
  • Score: -3

11:37am Sun 9 Feb 14

alive and awake says...

bcfc1903 wrote:
bd7 helper wrote:
George must be looking for attention stop wasting time and move on
George Galloway is the best MP we've had in Bradford probably since Fred Jowett, when you look at the dross we've had over the years like for example the 'braincell deficient' David Ward need I say more, hopefully he'll get re-elected in the Bradford West seat!!!
Tell me you are joking, Galloway is a total embarrassment for Bradford, he runs it down at every opportunity. 'll be surprised if he even stands at the next elections, if he does then he as no chance of getting in. I think his previous voters will have seen through him. On TV he comes across as a typical Bully.
Galloway, Ed Balls, Rev. Flowers, Gordon Brown, John Prescott. all the same.
[quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bd7 helper[/bold] wrote: George must be looking for attention stop wasting time and move on[/p][/quote]George Galloway is the best MP we've had in Bradford probably since Fred Jowett, when you look at the dross we've had over the years like for example the 'braincell deficient' David Ward need I say more, hopefully he'll get re-elected in the Bradford West seat!!![/p][/quote]Tell me you are joking, Galloway is a total embarrassment for Bradford, he runs it down at every opportunity. 'll be surprised if he even stands at the next elections, if he does then he as no chance of getting in. I think his previous voters will have seen through him. On TV he comes across as a typical Bully. Galloway, Ed Balls, Rev. Flowers, Gordon Brown, John Prescott. all the same. alive and awake
  • Score: 1

5:51pm Sun 9 Feb 14

Mixter says...

I am genuinely surprised theres barely a handful of 70's celebs getting dragged into court on these charges. While it can never be condoned, grabbing bums and boobs (and this wasnt just a one way thing) was commonplace at that time, so there can be very few of the period not technically guilty of these 'crimes'.

You have only to watch the Carry-on films and Benny Hill etc. to get an idea of what was 'the norm'. Obviously, rape is another level altogether, but for the likes of DLT, (groping charges) there must be a huge number of his contemporaries thinking 'there but for the grace of god go i'.
I am genuinely surprised theres barely a handful of 70's celebs getting dragged into court on these charges. While it can never be condoned, grabbing bums and boobs (and this wasnt just a one way thing) was commonplace at that time, so there can be very few of the period not technically guilty of these 'crimes'. You have only to watch the Carry-on films and Benny Hill etc. to get an idea of what was 'the norm'. Obviously, rape is another level altogether, but for the likes of DLT, (groping charges) there must be a huge number of his contemporaries thinking 'there but for the grace of god go i'. Mixter
  • Score: 5

6:27pm Sun 9 Feb 14

bcfc1903 says...

alive and awake wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote:
bd7 helper wrote:
George must be looking for attention stop wasting time and move on
George Galloway is the best MP we've had in Bradford probably since Fred Jowett, when you look at the dross we've had over the years like for example the 'braincell deficient' David Ward need I say more, hopefully he'll get re-elected in the Bradford West seat!!!
Tell me you are joking, Galloway is a total embarrassment for Bradford, he runs it down at every opportunity. 'll be surprised if he even stands at the next elections, if he does then he as no chance of getting in. I think his previous voters will have seen through him. On TV he comes across as a typical Bully.
Galloway, Ed Balls, Rev. Flowers, Gordon Brown, John Prescott. all the same.
Why would I be joking, yes, if I believed all the tosh printed about him, sure I'd be with those that don't rate him, but I believe George Galloway is much maligned, he's been at the forefront of campaigns to save the Media Museum from closing and trying to get the Odeon building saved from demolition and much more besides in Bradford. You may be right that he may lose at the next general election but that outcome is far from a foregone conclusion. Galloway has few peers when it comes to debate and of course he is not a bully, he's just the opposite. As for running the city down, he wouldn't be doing his job if he didn't point out employment black spots in his constituency or things in Bradford that could be improved with government or Bradford council involvement.
[quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bd7 helper[/bold] wrote: George must be looking for attention stop wasting time and move on[/p][/quote]George Galloway is the best MP we've had in Bradford probably since Fred Jowett, when you look at the dross we've had over the years like for example the 'braincell deficient' David Ward need I say more, hopefully he'll get re-elected in the Bradford West seat!!![/p][/quote]Tell me you are joking, Galloway is a total embarrassment for Bradford, he runs it down at every opportunity. 'll be surprised if he even stands at the next elections, if he does then he as no chance of getting in. I think his previous voters will have seen through him. On TV he comes across as a typical Bully. Galloway, Ed Balls, Rev. Flowers, Gordon Brown, John Prescott. all the same.[/p][/quote]Why would I be joking, yes, if I believed all the tosh printed about him, sure I'd be with those that don't rate him, but I believe George Galloway is much maligned, he's been at the forefront of campaigns to save the Media Museum from closing and trying to get the Odeon building saved from demolition and much more besides in Bradford. You may be right that he may lose at the next general election but that outcome is far from a foregone conclusion. Galloway has few peers when it comes to debate and of course he is not a bully, he's just the opposite. As for running the city down, he wouldn't be doing his job if he didn't point out employment black spots in his constituency or things in Bradford that could be improved with government or Bradford council involvement. bcfc1903
  • Score: -1

6:47pm Sun 9 Feb 14

Albion. says...

bcfc1903 wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote:
bd7 helper wrote:
George must be looking for attention stop wasting time and move on
George Galloway is the best MP we've had in Bradford probably since Fred Jowett, when you look at the dross we've had over the years like for example the 'braincell deficient' David Ward need I say more, hopefully he'll get re-elected in the Bradford West seat!!!
Tell me you are joking, Galloway is a total embarrassment for Bradford, he runs it down at every opportunity. 'll be surprised if he even stands at the next elections, if he does then he as no chance of getting in. I think his previous voters will have seen through him. On TV he comes across as a typical Bully.
Galloway, Ed Balls, Rev. Flowers, Gordon Brown, John Prescott. all the same.
Why would I be joking, yes, if I believed all the tosh printed about him, sure I'd be with those that don't rate him, but I believe George Galloway is much maligned, he's been at the forefront of campaigns to save the Media Museum from closing and trying to get the Odeon building saved from demolition and much more besides in Bradford. You may be right that he may lose at the next general election but that outcome is far from a foregone conclusion. Galloway has few peers when it comes to debate and of course he is not a bully, he's just the opposite. As for running the city down, he wouldn't be doing his job if he didn't point out employment black spots in his constituency or things in Bradford that could be improved with government or Bradford council involvement.
http://www.indymedia
.org.uk/en/2011/03/4
77088.html

He is an appeaser of dictators, and frequently jumps on bandwagons to claim the credit for something that was going to happen anyway. Why has he come to Bradford? Well he found a gullible bunch in a particular area of London, but after his term it was obvious he would be outed. He found a similar gullible bunch in Bradford, the majority of those who voted for him believe such ridiculous things already, so they were easy meat for him.
Wasn't this about Bill Roache?.. ..Much more of a gentleman than GG.
[quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bd7 helper[/bold] wrote: George must be looking for attention stop wasting time and move on[/p][/quote]George Galloway is the best MP we've had in Bradford probably since Fred Jowett, when you look at the dross we've had over the years like for example the 'braincell deficient' David Ward need I say more, hopefully he'll get re-elected in the Bradford West seat!!![/p][/quote]Tell me you are joking, Galloway is a total embarrassment for Bradford, he runs it down at every opportunity. 'll be surprised if he even stands at the next elections, if he does then he as no chance of getting in. I think his previous voters will have seen through him. On TV he comes across as a typical Bully. Galloway, Ed Balls, Rev. Flowers, Gordon Brown, John Prescott. all the same.[/p][/quote]Why would I be joking, yes, if I believed all the tosh printed about him, sure I'd be with those that don't rate him, but I believe George Galloway is much maligned, he's been at the forefront of campaigns to save the Media Museum from closing and trying to get the Odeon building saved from demolition and much more besides in Bradford. You may be right that he may lose at the next general election but that outcome is far from a foregone conclusion. Galloway has few peers when it comes to debate and of course he is not a bully, he's just the opposite. As for running the city down, he wouldn't be doing his job if he didn't point out employment black spots in his constituency or things in Bradford that could be improved with government or Bradford council involvement.[/p][/quote]http://www.indymedia .org.uk/en/2011/03/4 77088.html He is an appeaser of dictators, and frequently jumps on bandwagons to claim the credit for something that was going to happen anyway. Why has he come to Bradford? Well he found a gullible bunch in a particular area of London, but after his term it was obvious he would be outed. He found a similar gullible bunch in Bradford, the majority of those who voted for him believe such ridiculous things already, so they were easy meat for him. Wasn't this about Bill Roache?.. ..Much more of a gentleman than GG. Albion.
  • Score: 3

8:06pm Sun 9 Feb 14

alive and awake says...

Albion. wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote:
bd7 helper wrote:
George must be looking for attention stop wasting time and move on
George Galloway is the best MP we've had in Bradford probably since Fred Jowett, when you look at the dross we've had over the years like for example the 'braincell deficient' David Ward need I say more, hopefully he'll get re-elected in the Bradford West seat!!!
Tell me you are joking, Galloway is a total embarrassment for Bradford, he runs it down at every opportunity. 'll be surprised if he even stands at the next elections, if he does then he as no chance of getting in. I think his previous voters will have seen through him. On TV he comes across as a typical Bully.
Galloway, Ed Balls, Rev. Flowers, Gordon Brown, John Prescott. all the same.
Why would I be joking, yes, if I believed all the tosh printed about him, sure I'd be with those that don't rate him, but I believe George Galloway is much maligned, he's been at the forefront of campaigns to save the Media Museum from closing and trying to get the Odeon building saved from demolition and much more besides in Bradford. You may be right that he may lose at the next general election but that outcome is far from a foregone conclusion. Galloway has few peers when it comes to debate and of course he is not a bully, he's just the opposite. As for running the city down, he wouldn't be doing his job if he didn't point out employment black spots in his constituency or things in Bradford that could be improved with government or Bradford council involvement.
http://www.indymedia

.org.uk/en/2011/03/4

77088.html

He is an appeaser of dictators, and frequently jumps on bandwagons to claim the credit for something that was going to happen anyway. Why has he come to Bradford? Well he found a gullible bunch in a particular area of London, but after his term it was obvious he would be outed. He found a similar gullible bunch in Bradford, the majority of those who voted for him believe such ridiculous things already, so they were easy meat for him.
Wasn't this about Bill Roache?.. ..Much more of a gentleman than GG.
I can't improve much on that, other than, he is the worst face of politics.
[quote][p][bold]Albion.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bd7 helper[/bold] wrote: George must be looking for attention stop wasting time and move on[/p][/quote]George Galloway is the best MP we've had in Bradford probably since Fred Jowett, when you look at the dross we've had over the years like for example the 'braincell deficient' David Ward need I say more, hopefully he'll get re-elected in the Bradford West seat!!![/p][/quote]Tell me you are joking, Galloway is a total embarrassment for Bradford, he runs it down at every opportunity. 'll be surprised if he even stands at the next elections, if he does then he as no chance of getting in. I think his previous voters will have seen through him. On TV he comes across as a typical Bully. Galloway, Ed Balls, Rev. Flowers, Gordon Brown, John Prescott. all the same.[/p][/quote]Why would I be joking, yes, if I believed all the tosh printed about him, sure I'd be with those that don't rate him, but I believe George Galloway is much maligned, he's been at the forefront of campaigns to save the Media Museum from closing and trying to get the Odeon building saved from demolition and much more besides in Bradford. You may be right that he may lose at the next general election but that outcome is far from a foregone conclusion. Galloway has few peers when it comes to debate and of course he is not a bully, he's just the opposite. As for running the city down, he wouldn't be doing his job if he didn't point out employment black spots in his constituency or things in Bradford that could be improved with government or Bradford council involvement.[/p][/quote]http://www.indymedia .org.uk/en/2011/03/4 77088.html He is an appeaser of dictators, and frequently jumps on bandwagons to claim the credit for something that was going to happen anyway. Why has he come to Bradford? Well he found a gullible bunch in a particular area of London, but after his term it was obvious he would be outed. He found a similar gullible bunch in Bradford, the majority of those who voted for him believe such ridiculous things already, so they were easy meat for him. Wasn't this about Bill Roache?.. ..Much more of a gentleman than GG.[/p][/quote]I can't improve much on that, other than, he is the worst face of politics. alive and awake
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9:41am Mon 10 Feb 14

bcfc1903 says...

Albion. wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote:
bd7 helper wrote:
George must be looking for attention stop wasting time and move on
George Galloway is the best MP we've had in Bradford probably since Fred Jowett, when you look at the dross we've had over the years like for example the 'braincell deficient' David Ward need I say more, hopefully he'll get re-elected in the Bradford West seat!!!
Tell me you are joking, Galloway is a total embarrassment for Bradford, he runs it down at every opportunity. 'll be surprised if he even stands at the next elections, if he does then he as no chance of getting in. I think his previous voters will have seen through him. On TV he comes across as a typical Bully.
Galloway, Ed Balls, Rev. Flowers, Gordon Brown, John Prescott. all the same.
Why would I be joking, yes, if I believed all the tosh printed about him, sure I'd be with those that don't rate him, but I believe George Galloway is much maligned, he's been at the forefront of campaigns to save the Media Museum from closing and trying to get the Odeon building saved from demolition and much more besides in Bradford. You may be right that he may lose at the next general election but that outcome is far from a foregone conclusion. Galloway has few peers when it comes to debate and of course he is not a bully, he's just the opposite. As for running the city down, he wouldn't be doing his job if he didn't point out employment black spots in his constituency or things in Bradford that could be improved with government or Bradford council involvement.
http://www.indymedia

.org.uk/en/2011/03/4

77088.html

He is an appeaser of dictators, and frequently jumps on bandwagons to claim the credit for something that was going to happen anyway. Why has he come to Bradford? Well he found a gullible bunch in a particular area of London, but after his term it was obvious he would be outed. He found a similar gullible bunch in Bradford, the majority of those who voted for him believe such ridiculous things already, so they were easy meat for him.
Wasn't this about Bill Roache?.. ..Much more of a gentleman than GG.
I guess Galloway is like Marmite, we'll never agree on this.

Cannot believe George Galloway is an appeaser of dictators, he's no admirer of Hitler either, just the opposite. Regarding Galloway, there is so much out of context reporting or even untruths printed regarding him and what he's supposedly said or done it's an embarrassment to a so called free press we have in the UK. Of course you're entitled to your opinion as I am to mine. Regarding his constituents, I certainly would not insult them or their intelligence, it's simply democracy in action, much better to get an independent installed than the same old folk towing the same old party line, what exactly has that done for the city over the last seventy years, I suggest not a lot.
[quote][p][bold]Albion.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bd7 helper[/bold] wrote: George must be looking for attention stop wasting time and move on[/p][/quote]George Galloway is the best MP we've had in Bradford probably since Fred Jowett, when you look at the dross we've had over the years like for example the 'braincell deficient' David Ward need I say more, hopefully he'll get re-elected in the Bradford West seat!!![/p][/quote]Tell me you are joking, Galloway is a total embarrassment for Bradford, he runs it down at every opportunity. 'll be surprised if he even stands at the next elections, if he does then he as no chance of getting in. I think his previous voters will have seen through him. On TV he comes across as a typical Bully. Galloway, Ed Balls, Rev. Flowers, Gordon Brown, John Prescott. all the same.[/p][/quote]Why would I be joking, yes, if I believed all the tosh printed about him, sure I'd be with those that don't rate him, but I believe George Galloway is much maligned, he's been at the forefront of campaigns to save the Media Museum from closing and trying to get the Odeon building saved from demolition and much more besides in Bradford. You may be right that he may lose at the next general election but that outcome is far from a foregone conclusion. Galloway has few peers when it comes to debate and of course he is not a bully, he's just the opposite. As for running the city down, he wouldn't be doing his job if he didn't point out employment black spots in his constituency or things in Bradford that could be improved with government or Bradford council involvement.[/p][/quote]http://www.indymedia .org.uk/en/2011/03/4 77088.html He is an appeaser of dictators, and frequently jumps on bandwagons to claim the credit for something that was going to happen anyway. Why has he come to Bradford? Well he found a gullible bunch in a particular area of London, but after his term it was obvious he would be outed. He found a similar gullible bunch in Bradford, the majority of those who voted for him believe such ridiculous things already, so they were easy meat for him. Wasn't this about Bill Roache?.. ..Much more of a gentleman than GG.[/p][/quote]I guess Galloway is like Marmite, we'll never agree on this. Cannot believe George Galloway is an appeaser of dictators, he's no admirer of Hitler either, just the opposite. Regarding Galloway, there is so much out of context reporting or even untruths printed regarding him and what he's supposedly said or done it's an embarrassment to a so called free press we have in the UK. Of course you're entitled to your opinion as I am to mine. Regarding his constituents, I certainly would not insult them or their intelligence, it's simply democracy in action, much better to get an independent installed than the same old folk towing the same old party line, what exactly has that done for the city over the last seventy years, I suggest not a lot. bcfc1903
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8:30am Tue 11 Feb 14

Angel of mercy says...

Evidently political pressure strikes again!!! I see one of several comments have since been removed. What do you say MP's of Bradford and Keighley?
Evidently political pressure strikes again!!! I see one of several comments have since been removed. What do you say MP's of Bradford and Keighley? Angel of mercy
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