5,600 Bradford district jobless have benefits removed

The Jobcentre on Hall Ings, Bradford

The Jobcentre on Hall Ings, Bradford

First published in News Bradford Telegraph and Argus: Photograph of the Author by , T&A Reporter

Out-of-work benefits were stripped from 5,590 people across Bradford in the first eight months of tougher Government punishments for failing to try and find work, new figures show.

And statistics released by the Department for Work and Pensions, under the Freedom of Information Act, reveal 20 of those were given the highest-level sanctions for flouting rules three times or more, which could mean they lose their Jobseeker’s Allowance (JSA) for three years.

The new punishments, introduced in October 2012 as part of a Government crackdown on a “something for nothing” culture, sees claimants docked benefits for missing jobcentre appointments or by avoiding finding a job.

The figures show jobcentres across Bradford imposed 7,400 sanctions on 5,590 people from when the rules were imposed on October 22, 2012, until June 30, 2013 – an increase of almost 17 per cent on the same period the previous year.

In Bradford, 3,050 people received the lowest sanction, while 2,070 have been hit with an intermediate punishment and 470 with the highest: l a low-level sanction results in the loss of JSA for up to 13 weeks, but it restarts afterwards l an intermediate sanction for failures, such as not actively seeking a job or being available for work, results in benefit initially being lost for a month, or 13 weeks for subsequently breaking the rules. Claimants must then reapply.

l the highest sanction sees JSA withdrawn for 13 weeks, for example when someone leaves a job voluntarily. This then rises to 26 weeks for a second failure or 156 weeks for a third.

Of the 7,400 sanctions issued in Bradford, 3,380 were given to people aged 18 to 25, 3,030 to 26 to 45-year-olds and 980 to 46 to 64-year-olds.

In total, 190 punishments were appealed and 930 were reconsidered. There was no appeal or reconsideration in the remaining cases.

Decisions can be overturned if the claimant can provide reasonable evidence, such as a doctor’s note to prove sickness to explain why an appointment was missed.

Philip Davies MP (Con, Shipley) said he didn’t know how the effectiveness of the new sanctions could be measured, but they had been introduced for “fairness”.

He added: “I do believe there should be a safety net for people – I believe in the welfare state and being there for people who fall on hard times – but it is right to make sure those on JSA are fulfilling their side of the bargain.

“If people aren’t pulling their weight and doing what’s expected of them, they should face a sanction.”

Esther McVey, the Employment Minister, has previously hailed statistics as proof the Department for Work and Pensions was ending the “something for nothing” culture.

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7:06am Thu 16 Jan 14

OLDLAD says...

Do they come off the unemployment statistics?
Do they come off the unemployment statistics? OLDLAD
  • Score: 11

7:16am Thu 16 Jan 14

Albion. says...

OLDLAD wrote:
Do they come off the unemployment statistics?
Yes.
[quote][p][bold]OLDLAD[/bold] wrote: Do they come off the unemployment statistics?[/p][/quote]Yes. Albion.
  • Score: 10

7:37am Thu 16 Jan 14

allannicho says...

Long overdue reform, now tackle Child Benefit?
Long overdue reform, now tackle Child Benefit? allannicho
  • Score: 11

8:49am Thu 16 Jan 14

OLDLAD says...

Daft question, do those who cannot speak english but claim get sanctioned also?
Daft question, do those who cannot speak english but claim get sanctioned also? OLDLAD
  • Score: 10

8:58am Thu 16 Jan 14

bd7 helper says...

Make use out of them by cleaning the streets of Bradford.
Make use out of them by cleaning the streets of Bradford. bd7 helper
  • Score: 6

9:43am Thu 16 Jan 14

Grumpygirl says...

OLDLAD wrote:
Do they come off the unemployment statistics?
Yes. The numbers for those sanctioned is deducted from the total of unemployed.

In the year to last November the Bradford jobless total fell by 2459. In the last eight months of that year 5590 were sanctioned. Thus if it wasn't for this Tory sleight of hand the jobless total would have gone up significantly. So much for the recovery.

A jobless and declining Bradford feels closer to the reality most of us know rather than the Government's rose tinted view of the economy.
[quote][p][bold]OLDLAD[/bold] wrote: Do they come off the unemployment statistics?[/p][/quote]Yes. The numbers for those sanctioned is deducted from the total of unemployed. In the year to last November the Bradford jobless total fell by 2459. In the last eight months of that year 5590 were sanctioned. Thus if it wasn't for this Tory sleight of hand the jobless total would have gone up significantly. So much for the recovery. A jobless and declining Bradford feels closer to the reality most of us know rather than the Government's rose tinted view of the economy. Grumpygirl
  • Score: 9

11:10am Thu 16 Jan 14

June Oh says...

Grumpygirl wrote:
OLDLAD wrote:
Do they come off the unemployment statistics?
Yes. The numbers for those sanctioned is deducted from the total of unemployed.

In the year to last November the Bradford jobless total fell by 2459. In the last eight months of that year 5590 were sanctioned. Thus if it wasn't for this Tory sleight of hand the jobless total would have gone up significantly. So much for the recovery.

A jobless and declining Bradford feels closer to the reality most of us know rather than the Government's rose tinted view of the economy.
So 5600 had this benefit stopped because they were failing to find themselves work do you have the number of them that have now got a job please?
[quote][p][bold]Grumpygirl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OLDLAD[/bold] wrote: Do they come off the unemployment statistics?[/p][/quote]Yes. The numbers for those sanctioned is deducted from the total of unemployed. In the year to last November the Bradford jobless total fell by 2459. In the last eight months of that year 5590 were sanctioned. Thus if it wasn't for this Tory sleight of hand the jobless total would have gone up significantly. So much for the recovery. A jobless and declining Bradford feels closer to the reality most of us know rather than the Government's rose tinted view of the economy.[/p][/quote]So 5600 had this benefit stopped because they were failing to find themselves work do you have the number of them that have now got a job please? June Oh
  • Score: 7

1:52pm Thu 16 Jan 14

Alhaurinrhino says...

Excellent news. The number of people on benefits is ridiculously high. If you can't look after and provide for you family.....don't have one.
Excellent news. The number of people on benefits is ridiculously high. If you can't look after and provide for you family.....don't have one. Alhaurinrhino
  • Score: -3

2:05pm Thu 16 Jan 14

bonoforpm says...

Grumpygirl wrote:
OLDLAD wrote:
Do they come off the unemployment statistics?
Yes. The numbers for those sanctioned is deducted from the total of unemployed.

In the year to last November the Bradford jobless total fell by 2459. In the last eight months of that year 5590 were sanctioned. Thus if it wasn't for this Tory sleight of hand the jobless total would have gone up significantly. So much for the recovery.

A jobless and declining Bradford feels closer to the reality most of us know rather than the Government's rose tinted view of the economy.
And of course there are many people who are unemployed but don't qualify for benefits, so they are not counted and never have been.
Add these in and you begin to see a much higher figure
[quote][p][bold]Grumpygirl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OLDLAD[/bold] wrote: Do they come off the unemployment statistics?[/p][/quote]Yes. The numbers for those sanctioned is deducted from the total of unemployed. In the year to last November the Bradford jobless total fell by 2459. In the last eight months of that year 5590 were sanctioned. Thus if it wasn't for this Tory sleight of hand the jobless total would have gone up significantly. So much for the recovery. A jobless and declining Bradford feels closer to the reality most of us know rather than the Government's rose tinted view of the economy.[/p][/quote]And of course there are many people who are unemployed but don't qualify for benefits, so they are not counted and never have been. Add these in and you begin to see a much higher figure bonoforpm
  • Score: 9

3:47pm Thu 16 Jan 14

The Hoffster says...

Of the 7,400 sanctions issued in Bradford, 3,380 were given to people aged 18 to 25, 3,030 to 26 to 45-year-olds and 980 to 46 to 64-year-olds.


What kind of jobs are available for those past middle-age (and just under in being pensioners) ? - i.e. between 45 to 64 ??
[quote]Of the 7,400 sanctions issued in Bradford, 3,380 were given to people aged 18 to 25, 3,030 to 26 to 45-year-olds and 980 to 46 to 64-year-olds. [/quote] What kind of jobs are available for those past middle-age (and just under in being pensioners) ? - i.e. between 45 to 64 ?? The Hoffster
  • Score: 4

4:33pm Thu 16 Jan 14

RollandSmoke says...

Alhaurinrhino wrote:
Excellent news. The number of people on benefits is ridiculously high. If you can't look after and provide for you family.....don't have one.
So what do you recommend people do with their children if they already have them when their job is added to the ever increasing list of jobs that no longer exist? I hope you are just posting your bile for a reaction as it sickens me to think that there are people as heartless and scummy as yourself living among us. That said your sickness is commonplace within the ranks of the Tory voters. Maybe you could just shut your face. If anyone wants your thoughts or opinions on anything they can just read the Daily Mail as I doubt you've got it in you to form an actual thought or opinion yourself.
[quote][p][bold]Alhaurinrhino[/bold] wrote: Excellent news. The number of people on benefits is ridiculously high. If you can't look after and provide for you family.....don't have one.[/p][/quote]So what do you recommend people do with their children if they already have them when their job is added to the ever increasing list of jobs that no longer exist? I hope you are just posting your bile for a reaction as it sickens me to think that there are people as heartless and scummy as yourself living among us. That said your sickness is commonplace within the ranks of the Tory voters. Maybe you could just shut your face. If anyone wants your thoughts or opinions on anything they can just read the Daily Mail as I doubt you've got it in you to form an actual thought or opinion yourself. RollandSmoke
  • Score: 11

4:37pm Thu 16 Jan 14

bobbyo says...

In reply to Hoffsters question , none, ive worked since leaving school, have never been out of work, im now 59 yrs old, lost my job of 20 years due to 3 internal operations in last 12 months due to ill health. I signed on for first time in my life several months ago, my benefit was stopped because i wouldnt fill in a silly homework booklet, to see which posts i had applied for! They, the jobcentre can view online anyway which posts folk apply for! Great after working all my life, and paying best part of a grand a month into the system from my salary, gotta sell my home now sadly ! Once they find out your age IE. Over 50 they dont want to know! One guy at jobcentre advised me to remove my date of birth from my CV! .
In reply to Hoffsters question , none, ive worked since leaving school, have never been out of work, im now 59 yrs old, lost my job of 20 years due to 3 internal operations in last 12 months due to ill health. I signed on for first time in my life several months ago, my benefit was stopped because i wouldnt fill in a silly homework booklet, to see which posts i had applied for! They, the jobcentre can view online anyway which posts folk apply for! Great after working all my life, and paying best part of a grand a month into the system from my salary, gotta sell my home now sadly ! Once they find out your age IE. Over 50 they dont want to know! One guy at jobcentre advised me to remove my date of birth from my CV! . bobbyo
  • Score: 14

4:42pm Thu 16 Jan 14

RollandSmoke says...

Are these figures above or below the targets that the lying scum in government denied the existence of?
Are these figures above or below the targets that the lying scum in government denied the existence of? RollandSmoke
  • Score: 0

4:49pm Thu 16 Jan 14

bonoforpm says...

bobbyo wrote:
In reply to Hoffsters question , none, ive worked since leaving school, have never been out of work, im now 59 yrs old, lost my job of 20 years due to 3 internal operations in last 12 months due to ill health. I signed on for first time in my life several months ago, my benefit was stopped because i wouldnt fill in a silly homework booklet, to see which posts i had applied for! They, the jobcentre can view online anyway which posts folk apply for! Great after working all my life, and paying best part of a grand a month into the system from my salary, gotta sell my home now sadly ! Once they find out your age IE. Over 50 they dont want to know! One guy at jobcentre advised me to remove my date of birth from my CV! .
Spot on.

The Jobcentre are not geared up to help older job seekers, and they never have been.

They are unable to understand an older persons work experience and relate that to the jobs on offer. Probably because they themselves have no experience outside the jobcentre.

Not that their computer system is much cop, search for hairdresser vacancy in Bradford and it will show you bus drivers in aberdeen
[quote][p][bold]bobbyo[/bold] wrote: In reply to Hoffsters question , none, ive worked since leaving school, have never been out of work, im now 59 yrs old, lost my job of 20 years due to 3 internal operations in last 12 months due to ill health. I signed on for first time in my life several months ago, my benefit was stopped because i wouldnt fill in a silly homework booklet, to see which posts i had applied for! They, the jobcentre can view online anyway which posts folk apply for! Great after working all my life, and paying best part of a grand a month into the system from my salary, gotta sell my home now sadly ! Once they find out your age IE. Over 50 they dont want to know! One guy at jobcentre advised me to remove my date of birth from my CV! .[/p][/quote]Spot on. The Jobcentre are not geared up to help older job seekers, and they never have been. They are unable to understand an older persons work experience and relate that to the jobs on offer. Probably because they themselves have no experience outside the jobcentre. Not that their computer system is much cop, search for hairdresser vacancy in Bradford and it will show you bus drivers in aberdeen bonoforpm
  • Score: 13

5:40pm Thu 16 Jan 14

awasteoftime says...

it is about time too, to some benefits is a life style choice as they don't wish to work. You only have to watch benefits street to see what goes on. The welfare system should just be a safety net to let people who are out of work get back into jobs. I agree also that child benefit should be limited to 2 children max. I will stop women having kids just to claim money of the rest of us hard workers.
it is about time too, to some benefits is a life style choice as they don't wish to work. You only have to watch benefits street to see what goes on. The welfare system should just be a safety net to let people who are out of work get back into jobs. I agree also that child benefit should be limited to 2 children max. I will stop women having kids just to claim money of the rest of us hard workers. awasteoftime
  • Score: -1

6:39pm Thu 16 Jan 14

Octavio says...

According to the poll over 20% in Bradford don't want work. So here's to the next 5000. Child benefit should be for 2 children only and the change should be retrospective as well.
According to the poll over 20% in Bradford don't want work. So here's to the next 5000. Child benefit should be for 2 children only and the change should be retrospective as well. Octavio
  • Score: 1

6:53pm Thu 16 Jan 14

RollandSmoke says...

How many deaths have been caused by people having their benefits removed? How many is acceptable?
Here's one to get the ball rolling
http://www.mirror.co
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Do the government not bear any responsibility when someone dies as a result of these sanctions? As far as I can see you Tories are voting for murderers.
How many deaths have been caused by people having their benefits removed? How many is acceptable? Here's one to get the ball rolling http://www.mirror.co .uk/news/uk-news/glo ating-tories-dont-ca re-people-3022783#ix zz2qQUlrL6c Do the government not bear any responsibility when someone dies as a result of these sanctions? As far as I can see you Tories are voting for murderers. RollandSmoke
  • Score: 4

7:44pm Thu 16 Jan 14

Alhaurinrhino says...

RollandSmoke wrote:
Alhaurinrhino wrote:
Excellent news. The number of people on benefits is ridiculously high. If you can't look after and provide for you family.....don't have one.
So what do you recommend people do with their children if they already have them when their job is added to the ever increasing list of jobs that no longer exist? I hope you are just posting your bile for a reaction as it sickens me to think that there are people as heartless and scummy as yourself living among us. That said your sickness is commonplace within the ranks of the Tory voters. Maybe you could just shut your face. If anyone wants your thoughts or opinions on anything they can just read the Daily Mail as I doubt you've got it in you to form an actual thought or opinion yourself.
Oh dear, had your benefits stopped have you? Diddums.
This country is in the state it is because of low life benefit claiming idle scum.
I really couldn't care less what happens to these scrounging layabouts, they can freeze on the streets for all I care. I pay to much tax as it is, never mind that this and other governments before them are only too happy to give to the feckless breeders here and in the other lazy, underdeveloped countries of the world.
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alhaurinrhino[/bold] wrote: Excellent news. The number of people on benefits is ridiculously high. If you can't look after and provide for you family.....don't have one.[/p][/quote]So what do you recommend people do with their children if they already have them when their job is added to the ever increasing list of jobs that no longer exist? I hope you are just posting your bile for a reaction as it sickens me to think that there are people as heartless and scummy as yourself living among us. That said your sickness is commonplace within the ranks of the Tory voters. Maybe you could just shut your face. If anyone wants your thoughts or opinions on anything they can just read the Daily Mail as I doubt you've got it in you to form an actual thought or opinion yourself.[/p][/quote]Oh dear, had your benefits stopped have you? Diddums. This country is in the state it is because of low life benefit claiming idle scum. I really couldn't care less what happens to these scrounging layabouts, they can freeze on the streets for all I care. I pay to much tax as it is, never mind that this and other governments before them are only too happy to give to the feckless breeders here and in the other lazy, underdeveloped countries of the world. Alhaurinrhino
  • Score: -9

8:07pm Thu 16 Jan 14

RollandSmoke says...

Alhaurinrhino wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Alhaurinrhino wrote:
Excellent news. The number of people on benefits is ridiculously high. If you can't look after and provide for you family.....don't have one.
So what do you recommend people do with their children if they already have them when their job is added to the ever increasing list of jobs that no longer exist? I hope you are just posting your bile for a reaction as it sickens me to think that there are people as heartless and scummy as yourself living among us. That said your sickness is commonplace within the ranks of the Tory voters. Maybe you could just shut your face. If anyone wants your thoughts or opinions on anything they can just read the Daily Mail as I doubt you've got it in you to form an actual thought or opinion yourself.
Oh dear, had your benefits stopped have you? Diddums.
This country is in the state it is because of low life benefit claiming idle scum.
I really couldn't care less what happens to these scrounging layabouts, they can freeze on the streets for all I care. I pay to much tax as it is, never mind that this and other governments before them are only too happy to give to the feckless breeders here and in the other lazy, underdeveloped countries of the world.
No I'm still getting my benefits thanks. Thanks also for confirming my belief that you are indeed stupid. This country is in the state it is in because we have been robbed by rich bankers and because the industries have relocated to India and China in order to exploit the cheap labour. When no-one is interested in investing in this country that causes unemployment. You are happy to blame those who have fallen foul of the business decisions of large companies but when choosing between heating and eating there is little if any chance of people being able to create jobs for themselves. I know I'm stating the obvious here and I doubt that you are really that retarded that you can't see it. I think you are well aware of the truth but you will not admit it because you are a word I cannot use on here. I wish you ill health and a quick death to put you out of your and everyone else's misery. I honestly couldn't give a toss how much tax you are paying as you voted for the incompetent shambles who are giving you less and less for the money they are taking from you. You're obviously not paying enough tax though as if you were Osborne wouldn't be borrowing more than Labour ever did. Any idea what the money is being spent on? No I thought not but then you don't have ideas do you?
[quote][p][bold]Alhaurinrhino[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alhaurinrhino[/bold] wrote: Excellent news. The number of people on benefits is ridiculously high. If you can't look after and provide for you family.....don't have one.[/p][/quote]So what do you recommend people do with their children if they already have them when their job is added to the ever increasing list of jobs that no longer exist? I hope you are just posting your bile for a reaction as it sickens me to think that there are people as heartless and scummy as yourself living among us. That said your sickness is commonplace within the ranks of the Tory voters. Maybe you could just shut your face. If anyone wants your thoughts or opinions on anything they can just read the Daily Mail as I doubt you've got it in you to form an actual thought or opinion yourself.[/p][/quote]Oh dear, had your benefits stopped have you? Diddums. This country is in the state it is because of low life benefit claiming idle scum. I really couldn't care less what happens to these scrounging layabouts, they can freeze on the streets for all I care. I pay to much tax as it is, never mind that this and other governments before them are only too happy to give to the feckless breeders here and in the other lazy, underdeveloped countries of the world.[/p][/quote]No I'm still getting my benefits thanks. Thanks also for confirming my belief that you are indeed stupid. This country is in the state it is in because we have been robbed by rich bankers and because the industries have relocated to India and China in order to exploit the cheap labour. When no-one is interested in investing in this country that causes unemployment. You are happy to blame those who have fallen foul of the business decisions of large companies but when choosing between heating and eating there is little if any chance of people being able to create jobs for themselves. I know I'm stating the obvious here and I doubt that you are really that retarded that you can't see it. I think you are well aware of the truth but you will not admit it because you are a word I cannot use on here. I wish you ill health and a quick death to put you out of your and everyone else's misery. I honestly couldn't give a toss how much tax you are paying as you voted for the incompetent shambles who are giving you less and less for the money they are taking from you. You're obviously not paying enough tax though as if you were Osborne wouldn't be borrowing more than Labour ever did. Any idea what the money is being spent on? No I thought not but then you don't have ideas do you? RollandSmoke
  • Score: 7

7:29pm Fri 17 Jan 14

Alhaurinrhino says...

RollandSmoke wrote:
Alhaurinrhino wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Alhaurinrhino wrote:
Excellent news. The number of people on benefits is ridiculously high. If you can't look after and provide for you family.....don't have one.
So what do you recommend people do with their children if they already have them when their job is added to the ever increasing list of jobs that no longer exist? I hope you are just posting your bile for a reaction as it sickens me to think that there are people as heartless and scummy as yourself living among us. That said your sickness is commonplace within the ranks of the Tory voters. Maybe you could just shut your face. If anyone wants your thoughts or opinions on anything they can just read the Daily Mail as I doubt you've got it in you to form an actual thought or opinion yourself.
Oh dear, had your benefits stopped have you? Diddums.
This country is in the state it is because of low life benefit claiming idle scum.
I really couldn't care less what happens to these scrounging layabouts, they can freeze on the streets for all I care. I pay to much tax as it is, never mind that this and other governments before them are only too happy to give to the feckless breeders here and in the other lazy, underdeveloped countries of the world.
No I'm still getting my benefits thanks. Thanks also for confirming my belief that you are indeed stupid. This country is in the state it is in because we have been robbed by rich bankers and because the industries have relocated to India and China in order to exploit the cheap labour. When no-one is interested in investing in this country that causes unemployment. You are happy to blame those who have fallen foul of the business decisions of large companies but when choosing between heating and eating there is little if any chance of people being able to create jobs for themselves. I know I'm stating the obvious here and I doubt that you are really that retarded that you can't see it. I think you are well aware of the truth but you will not admit it because you are a word I cannot use on here. I wish you ill health and a quick death to put you out of your and everyone else's misery. I honestly couldn't give a toss how much tax you are paying as you voted for the incompetent shambles who are giving you less and less for the money they are taking from you. You're obviously not paying enough tax though as if you were Osborne wouldn't be borrowing more than Labour ever did. Any idea what the money is being spent on? No I thought not but then you don't have ideas do you?
Oh dear, proof that wasting money on the disabled really is money down the drain. Wish all you like, I'm very well and loaded to boot :)) Chin chin
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alhaurinrhino[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alhaurinrhino[/bold] wrote: Excellent news. The number of people on benefits is ridiculously high. If you can't look after and provide for you family.....don't have one.[/p][/quote]So what do you recommend people do with their children if they already have them when their job is added to the ever increasing list of jobs that no longer exist? I hope you are just posting your bile for a reaction as it sickens me to think that there are people as heartless and scummy as yourself living among us. That said your sickness is commonplace within the ranks of the Tory voters. Maybe you could just shut your face. If anyone wants your thoughts or opinions on anything they can just read the Daily Mail as I doubt you've got it in you to form an actual thought or opinion yourself.[/p][/quote]Oh dear, had your benefits stopped have you? Diddums. This country is in the state it is because of low life benefit claiming idle scum. I really couldn't care less what happens to these scrounging layabouts, they can freeze on the streets for all I care. I pay to much tax as it is, never mind that this and other governments before them are only too happy to give to the feckless breeders here and in the other lazy, underdeveloped countries of the world.[/p][/quote]No I'm still getting my benefits thanks. Thanks also for confirming my belief that you are indeed stupid. This country is in the state it is in because we have been robbed by rich bankers and because the industries have relocated to India and China in order to exploit the cheap labour. When no-one is interested in investing in this country that causes unemployment. You are happy to blame those who have fallen foul of the business decisions of large companies but when choosing between heating and eating there is little if any chance of people being able to create jobs for themselves. I know I'm stating the obvious here and I doubt that you are really that retarded that you can't see it. I think you are well aware of the truth but you will not admit it because you are a word I cannot use on here. I wish you ill health and a quick death to put you out of your and everyone else's misery. I honestly couldn't give a toss how much tax you are paying as you voted for the incompetent shambles who are giving you less and less for the money they are taking from you. You're obviously not paying enough tax though as if you were Osborne wouldn't be borrowing more than Labour ever did. Any idea what the money is being spent on? No I thought not but then you don't have ideas do you?[/p][/quote]Oh dear, proof that wasting money on the disabled really is money down the drain. Wish all you like, I'm very well and loaded to boot :)) Chin chin Alhaurinrhino
  • Score: -2

9:21am Sat 18 Jan 14

Hakeem says...

OLDLAD wrote:
Do they come off the unemployment statistics?
Actually they do not come off the list, according to changes in 2010, the ONS is duty bound to count sanctioned, voluntary workers and workfare and unpaid apprenticeships and zero hour contracts as being legally employed, the true unemployment figures are 2.6million officially, 5.5millionzero hours with no assured income and still reliant on welfare to a degree, 6.9million underemployed, there is 2 million in apprenticeships and workfare, thats nearly 15million people out of employment in reality and this figure is 35% ofour total workforce, the deficit has increased ten fold since Tories got to power 3 years ago, Labour got us into £760billion in debt, Tories now got us a debt of £7.6trillion, yet we have NOTHING to show for it, Tories are unelected, unmandated tyrants and we Veterans, we Soldiers, we Disabled people, we Working Class Patriots have had our fill we support Liverpool Council taking Cameron and his Government to the UN for Violations of International Law and tbh, he should have the same fate as the 10 Nazi's hanged in Nuremberg, 40,000 dead disabled people due to his policies means his a mass murderer.
[quote][p][bold]OLDLAD[/bold] wrote: Do they come off the unemployment statistics?[/p][/quote]Actually they do not come off the list, according to changes in 2010, the ONS is duty bound to count sanctioned, voluntary workers and workfare and unpaid apprenticeships and zero hour contracts as being legally employed, the true unemployment figures are 2.6million officially, 5.5millionzero hours with no assured income and still reliant on welfare to a degree, 6.9million underemployed, there is 2 million in apprenticeships and workfare, thats nearly 15million people out of employment in reality and this figure is 35% ofour total workforce, the deficit has increased ten fold since Tories got to power 3 years ago, Labour got us into £760billion in debt, Tories now got us a debt of £7.6trillion, yet we have NOTHING to show for it, Tories are unelected, unmandated tyrants and we Veterans, we Soldiers, we Disabled people, we Working Class Patriots have had our fill we support Liverpool Council taking Cameron and his Government to the UN for Violations of International Law and tbh, he should have the same fate as the 10 Nazi's hanged in Nuremberg, 40,000 dead disabled people due to his policies means his a mass murderer. Hakeem
  • Score: 0

9:25am Sat 18 Jan 14

Hakeem says...

bd7 helper wrote:
Make use out of them by cleaning the streets of Bradford.
So you want to make the paid street cleaners unemployed now and make the welfare and unemployed grow even more, sorry that plan is not only stupid economically its illegal Internationally, slave labour is against British Law and International Law and im glad Liverpool Council has now taken the Coalition to the UN for violations of International Law and im happy the UN told Grant Shapps of the Tories that Raquel Rolnik was sent to the UK on UN business, the UN has proof she did meet Ministers contrary to their lies and the UN called the Tories nothing more than spoilt brats having a tantrum when confronted with truths.

They hated her for calling the tax a bedroom tax saying its a spare room subsidy, well thats a LIE, the Policy legislation read Spare Room Penalty, so it is closer to a tax than subsidy if its a subsidy then people have lawful rights to revoke their subsidy at any time, I hope the Europeans refuse to pay IDS the £1.5million in subsidies from European tax payers for farming he never does the scrounging bastards wear suites work in Parliament and City of London, they dont live in any old street struggling to make ends meet.
[quote][p][bold]bd7 helper[/bold] wrote: Make use out of them by cleaning the streets of Bradford.[/p][/quote]So you want to make the paid street cleaners unemployed now and make the welfare and unemployed grow even more, sorry that plan is not only stupid economically its illegal Internationally, slave labour is against British Law and International Law and im glad Liverpool Council has now taken the Coalition to the UN for violations of International Law and im happy the UN told Grant Shapps of the Tories that Raquel Rolnik was sent to the UK on UN business, the UN has proof she did meet Ministers contrary to their lies and the UN called the Tories nothing more than spoilt brats having a tantrum when confronted with truths. They hated her for calling the tax a bedroom tax saying its a spare room subsidy, well thats a LIE, the Policy legislation read Spare Room Penalty, so it is closer to a tax than subsidy if its a subsidy then people have lawful rights to revoke their subsidy at any time, I hope the Europeans refuse to pay IDS the £1.5million in subsidies from European tax payers for farming he never does the scrounging bastards wear suites work in Parliament and City of London, they dont live in any old street struggling to make ends meet. Hakeem
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7:19pm Sat 18 Jan 14

RollandSmoke says...

Alhaurinrhino wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Alhaurinrhino wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Alhaurinrhino wrote:
Excellent news. The number of people on benefits is ridiculously high. If you can't look after and provide for you family.....don't have one.
So what do you recommend people do with their children if they already have them when their job is added to the ever increasing list of jobs that no longer exist? I hope you are just posting your bile for a reaction as it sickens me to think that there are people as heartless and scummy as yourself living among us. That said your sickness is commonplace within the ranks of the Tory voters. Maybe you could just shut your face. If anyone wants your thoughts or opinions on anything they can just read the Daily Mail as I doubt you've got it in you to form an actual thought or opinion yourself.
Oh dear, had your benefits stopped have you? Diddums.
This country is in the state it is because of low life benefit claiming idle scum.
I really couldn't care less what happens to these scrounging layabouts, they can freeze on the streets for all I care. I pay to much tax as it is, never mind that this and other governments before them are only too happy to give to the feckless breeders here and in the other lazy, underdeveloped countries of the world.
No I'm still getting my benefits thanks. Thanks also for confirming my belief that you are indeed stupid. This country is in the state it is in because we have been robbed by rich bankers and because the industries have relocated to India and China in order to exploit the cheap labour. When no-one is interested in investing in this country that causes unemployment. You are happy to blame those who have fallen foul of the business decisions of large companies but when choosing between heating and eating there is little if any chance of people being able to create jobs for themselves. I know I'm stating the obvious here and I doubt that you are really that retarded that you can't see it. I think you are well aware of the truth but you will not admit it because you are a word I cannot use on here. I wish you ill health and a quick death to put you out of your and everyone else's misery. I honestly couldn't give a toss how much tax you are paying as you voted for the incompetent shambles who are giving you less and less for the money they are taking from you. You're obviously not paying enough tax though as if you were Osborne wouldn't be borrowing more than Labour ever did. Any idea what the money is being spent on? No I thought not but then you don't have ideas do you?
Oh dear, proof that wasting money on the disabled really is money down the drain. Wish all you like, I'm very well and loaded to boot :)) Chin chin
Proof then that a lack of morality, empathy and compassion is more important to the capitalist scum than intelligence. I doubt you'd be adequately qualified to operate a sweeping brush, but then the only time you'd ever break a sweat is when the tax becomes due and you worry about whether you'll be able to avoid paying it. Although to be fair I recon you find thinking up your pithy two to three line replies fairly hard work don't you?
[quote][p][bold]Alhaurinrhino[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alhaurinrhino[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alhaurinrhino[/bold] wrote: Excellent news. The number of people on benefits is ridiculously high. If you can't look after and provide for you family.....don't have one.[/p][/quote]So what do you recommend people do with their children if they already have them when their job is added to the ever increasing list of jobs that no longer exist? I hope you are just posting your bile for a reaction as it sickens me to think that there are people as heartless and scummy as yourself living among us. That said your sickness is commonplace within the ranks of the Tory voters. Maybe you could just shut your face. If anyone wants your thoughts or opinions on anything they can just read the Daily Mail as I doubt you've got it in you to form an actual thought or opinion yourself.[/p][/quote]Oh dear, had your benefits stopped have you? Diddums. This country is in the state it is because of low life benefit claiming idle scum. I really couldn't care less what happens to these scrounging layabouts, they can freeze on the streets for all I care. I pay to much tax as it is, never mind that this and other governments before them are only too happy to give to the feckless breeders here and in the other lazy, underdeveloped countries of the world.[/p][/quote]No I'm still getting my benefits thanks. Thanks also for confirming my belief that you are indeed stupid. This country is in the state it is in because we have been robbed by rich bankers and because the industries have relocated to India and China in order to exploit the cheap labour. When no-one is interested in investing in this country that causes unemployment. You are happy to blame those who have fallen foul of the business decisions of large companies but when choosing between heating and eating there is little if any chance of people being able to create jobs for themselves. I know I'm stating the obvious here and I doubt that you are really that retarded that you can't see it. I think you are well aware of the truth but you will not admit it because you are a word I cannot use on here. I wish you ill health and a quick death to put you out of your and everyone else's misery. I honestly couldn't give a toss how much tax you are paying as you voted for the incompetent shambles who are giving you less and less for the money they are taking from you. You're obviously not paying enough tax though as if you were Osborne wouldn't be borrowing more than Labour ever did. Any idea what the money is being spent on? No I thought not but then you don't have ideas do you?[/p][/quote]Oh dear, proof that wasting money on the disabled really is money down the drain. Wish all you like, I'm very well and loaded to boot :)) Chin chin[/p][/quote]Proof then that a lack of morality, empathy and compassion is more important to the capitalist scum than intelligence. I doubt you'd be adequately qualified to operate a sweeping brush, but then the only time you'd ever break a sweat is when the tax becomes due and you worry about whether you'll be able to avoid paying it. Although to be fair I recon you find thinking up your pithy two to three line replies fairly hard work don't you? RollandSmoke
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