what a meaningless article: a filler for a newspaper short om sports stories.

what do you expect someone to say in his position:"i hate this club with all my heart:I will not play well:I will not do my best"

SAVE TREES AND STOP PRODUCING RUBBISH ARTICLES LIKE THIS!

The one thing I picked up on in the article was the quote from McCall. "He is a big, strong player who offers something different and gives us another option." What is Conlon's role then? He has just given him another 6 month contract, but doesn't rate him as big and strong. Maybe that is where we are going wrong. Perhaps McCall and his coaching staff need to explain to Conlon that he IS big and strong and that he should be doing more in the box.

Another thing that continually frustrates me is short-term loans. How many times over the years have we taken an unfit player, played them and got them fit just for them to return to their parent club. They get the benefit.

McCall said above, "Like Steve Jones when he first arrived, he hasn’t played much football lately, but he’s here for a month and we’ll see how he goes on". Basically, we will get him fit and when he is ready to start performing, he will then return to Oldham or be sold to another club. Surely loan deals should be for a minimum of three months with a call-back clause only after two months have gone? Any other thoughts on this?

Waynus--whilst agreeing generally with you on the loan situation:the one month option over the two/three month option does have budgetry considerations possible for both clubs subject to who is paying the wages: yes the lending club does sometimes pay either the whole or part of the loanee wages dependent upon agreed considerations.

To minimise the risk for the borrowing club i.e have we got in a real stummer who cannot or does not integrate or add to our squad I agree a three month contract with monthly options either way could work.

for instance a three month contract with a minimum one month intial term:once the month date anniversary arrives either club have a 24 hour period to extend the loan period for another month or to terminate it. At the end of that second month another 24 hour window opens for both clubs.

Neither club can cancel the loan agreement by way of sending back or being requested back within the month for which a valid contract exists between the two clubs. If there is a cancellation then compensation is awarded either way for the period affected by that termination.

It sounds a little complicated but it is in fact a rolling monthly renewable loan deal.

Just an idea/thought for discussion purposes only:there may be flaws in how this would work but I do see where you are coming from.

I would suggest had we been producing enough youngsters through our reserve team set up who were being brought up to first team standard the need for consistent loans ,which must take up valuable time for all concerned, could be avoided and should, in reality, be avoided.

tyker wrote:
Waynus--whilst agreeing generally with you on the loan situation:the one month option over the two/three month option does have budgetry considerations possible for both clubs subject to who is paying the wages: yes the lending club does sometimes pay either the whole or part of the loanee wages dependent upon agreed considerations. To minimise the risk for the borrowing club i.e have we got in a real stummer who cannot or does not integrate or add to our squad I agree a three month contract with monthly options either way could work. for instance a three month contract with a minimum one month intial term:once the month date anniversary arrives either club have a 24 hour period to extend the loan period for another month or to terminate it. At the end of that second month another 24 hour window opens for both clubs. Neither club can cancel the loan agreement by way of sending back or being requested back within the month for which a valid contract exists between the two clubs. If there is a cancellation then compensation is awarded either way for the period affected by that termination. It sounds a little complicated but it is in fact a rolling monthly renewable loan deal. Just an idea/thought for discussion purposes only:there may be flaws in how this would work but I do see where you are coming from. I would suggest had we been producing enough youngsters through our reserve team set up who were being brought up to first team standard the need for consistent loans ,which must take up valuable time for all concerned, could be avoided and should, in reality, be avoided.

A good point well made. Personally, I can't see any flaws in your suggestion and it would mean more consistency.

It just frustrates me when a player joins for a month, having not been playing for months and we get him match fit. Just as he starts to look a competent player, the deal expires and the benefit goes to the owning side. The best loanees we have had tend to be those on 6 month contracts, such as Furman, Doyle etc.

In relation to your comments on the reserves, whilst I agree that we don't see many players coming through, I really do think that will change over the coming seasons. Our academy has never been that good and we must be envious of Huddersfield's. That said, there are quite a few of the kids in the academy at the moment that could make it as professional footballers. We are finally taking it more seriously and I believe we will eventually see the benefit. I just hope we can keep on to them when the time comes and not lose them to our neighbours.

youngsters:

I have no problem selling some if there is a subsequent sell on clause subject to Bosman rules etc. remember we were caught out with Dean Richards--we had a sell on but he went for free and then was sold twice for big money.

However--we MUST start producing players now or staret to get youngsters from larger clubs and develop them on for subsequent transfers.

just hoping that DELPH does go for big money: our part of the fee would certainly assist the tight financial constraints under which the club is operatingsadly though WEEDS will do better out of any deal than us.

ps to waynus.

you see grandads of a senior age but who still work in a professional environment on a full time basis even in an office where the heating has gone off are NOT completely without a few marbles left to play with. mmmmm a preposition is something with which one should not end a sentence with. LOL

The thing is though Waynus, teams might not want to loan fringe players for more than a month in case they're needed. If we only went for long(er) term loans, we'd end up with less choice and so there would be more chance of picking up a load of dross.

Also, regarding the team loaning the player getting all the benefit, I'd make two points.. Clarke, and to a lesser extent Jones, really helped us out in their loan periods and I doubt we would be third without Clarke especially plugging the gaps during a horrendous run of injuries.

The second point I would make would be... Colbeck last season, he'd never have been our player of the season (though in my opinion he wasn't quite, but that's by the by)had he not been at Darlo for a month - swings and roundabouts maybe?

Some super news just been announced, but not on here or our official website, Law has had his loan extended until the end of the season. No recall option mentioned either. Now that is the type of loan deal I like!

Further to that, O'Brien has picked up his first honour as a professional. He is the PFA Fans' Player of the Month for December. Well done O'B you have thoroughly deserved that accolade.

Tyker - my security words are 'warm-desk'. Is that a dig at you? LOL

CTID wrote:
The thing is though Waynus, teams might not want to loan fringe players for more than a month in case they're needed. If we only went for long(er) term loans, we'd end up with less choice and so there would be more chance of picking up a load of dross. Also, regarding the team loaning the player getting all the benefit, I'd make two points.. Clarke, and to a lesser extent Jones, really helped us out in their loan periods and I doubt we would be third without Clarke especially plugging the gaps during a horrendous run of injuries. The second point I would make would be... Colbeck last season, he'd never have been our player of the season (though in my opinion he wasn't quite, but that's by the by)had he not been at Darlo for a month - swings and roundabouts maybe?

I'm not saying ALL short-term loans are bad. We just seem to be on the wrong end of some. I remember plenty of players that have come to us and were clearly not match-fit. For the first three weeks, all they did was puff and pant. Then when they were finally ready to make a difference, they went back with no option for us to extend the deals. One name that springs to mind was Adebola. There are plenty of other names I could use.

Yes, we have benefitted from other short-term loans, but I believe we would get more from Jones in any 2nd month than we got in his first month. How many games have we seen him play very well for the first 45 minutes, only for him to be non-existent in the second half. I believe that if he is here again for another month, he will be fitter and therefore more consistent. The problem with a short-term loan is that that benefit may now be given to someone else.

There are always exceptions to the rule but I do understand where you are coming from.

waynus--no my desk is still cold unlike your keyboard!!!

if true Law is a great signing:

dare I say, drop Daley and let Nix play left side midfield: he has better defensive qualities when OB goes on one of ever more dangerous forays.

tyker wrote:
waynus--no my desk is still cold unlike your keyboard!!! if true Law is a great signing: dare I say, drop Daley and let Nix play left side midfield: he has better defensive qualities when OB goes on one of ever more dangerous forays.

Personally, I think it is worth a shot, especially against a side like Bournemouth who are there for the taking. As Nix is more of a tough tackling midfielder than a winger, we could even play Furman there. However, those that are in the 'Daley fan club' may not agree.

I'm off for an hour's lunch now LOL

Lunch--self employed professionals know of no such thing!!

tyker wrote:
Lunch--self employed professionals know of no such thing!!

Oh, so it is you to blame for having a cold office. I sympathise with you less knowing that LOL.

Still no news on Jones' deal, but fantastic news about Law's stay.

tyker, midland road says...if true Law is a great signing:Fact Sheffield United has allowed him to stay untill end of season.

What a midfield line up to chose from when all fit!,ie Colbeck or Jones or Bullock or McLaren or Furman or Law or Daley or Brandon!!-Sort that lot out,where do you start or is somebody going?

Up the league we go!!

from skysports transfer centre:

Bradford City have retained Nicky Law's services on loan from Sheffield United for the remainder of the season.

Law, who had a two-month loan spell at Valley Parade last season before being recalled by Bryan Robson, re-joined his former club this term on an initial two-month loan.

The 20-year-old, who is a product of The Blades' Academy system, has been with Bradford since the end of October and has impressed during his 12 appearances.

Law is currently well down United's pecking order and manager Kevin Blackwell believes extending the loan is the ideal way for the midfielder to gain further experience

waynus-- you can still be legally self employed working in someone else's office/place of work:did you not know that?

when you next go ask the barber's ask the bloke/bird if he/she/it is employed or self employed:the chances are it's a self employed personrenting a space/chair!!

and:just so there is no barbed comment-- yes I still have a head of hair!!! and no I am NOT a barber/.hairdresser although I have used the hair drier in football management on more than one occasion!

LOL

Why hasn't the T&A put the Nicky Law story on this site? Been announced 3 hours. Nevermind Eddie Johnson! Who cares about that has been! Fantastic news about Law. Now lets go and put Bournemouth to the sword!

Have heard SM is looking at Stiker Karl Hawley, dont know too much about him, i think he was top scorer at Carlisle for a couple of seasons.

Halifax Bantam wrote:
Have heard SM is looking at Stiker Karl Hawley, dont know too much about him, i think he was top scorer at Carlisle for a couple of seasons.

that would be a good signing even though over last 12 months havent heard much about him but before that he was scoring on a regular basis for carlisle

and nothing yet on Windass who has been allowed to talk to other clubs about a loan deal.

tyker wrote:
waynus-- you can still be legally self employed working in someone else's office/place of work:did you not know that?

when you next go ask the barber's ask the bloke/bird if he/she/it is employed or self employed:the chances are it's a self employed personrenting a space/chair!!

and:just so there is no barbed comment-- yes I still have a head of hair!!! and no I am NOT a barber/.hairdresser although I have used the hair drier in football management on more than one occasion!

LOL

I did know that, it was my attempt at humour (hence the LOL). Sorry to learn it failed so miserably!

tyker wrote:
waynus--no my desk is still cold unlike your keyboard!!!

if true Law is a great signing:

dare I say, drop Daley and let Nix play left side midfield: he has better defensive qualities when OB goes on one of ever more dangerous forays.

"drop Daley and let Nix play left side midfield":

It's a good job your not a city manager Daley for Nix, you must be joking.

Daley is a speed king, who not only can turn defence into attack in a matter of a second, and can take 3 defenders in to the corner. Only if someone can keep up to him and support him, Where as Nix is a midget and gets steamrolled.

should be, Nix for Daley.

Get a life wrote:

tyker wrote:
waynus--no my desk is still cold unlike your keyboard!!!

if true Law is a great signing:

dare I say, drop Daley and let Nix play left side midfield: he has better defensive qualities when OB goes on one of ever more dangerous forays.

"drop Daley and let Nix play left side midfield":

It's a good job your not a city manager Daley for Nix, you must be joking.

Daley is a speed king, who not only can turn defence into attack in a matter of a second, and can take 3 defenders in to the corner. Only if someone can keep up to him and support him, Where as Nix is a midget and gets steamrolled.

Yes, but what Tyker was saying is that Nix can be a holding midfielder allowing O'B to get forward. He has almost as much pace as Daley, can carry the ball better than Daley and puts in more crosses than Daley.

Tyker wasn't suggesting that Nix would be able to do that.

Get a life wrote:

tyker wrote:
waynus--no my desk is still cold unlike your keyboard!!!

if true Law is a great signing:

dare I say, drop Daley and let Nix play left side midfield: he has better defensive qualities when OB goes on one of ever more dangerous forays.

"drop Daley and let Nix play left side midfield":

It's a good job your not a city manager Daley for Nix, you must be joking.

Daley is a speed king, who not only can turn defence into attack in a matter of a second, and can take 3 defenders in to the corner. Only if someone can keep up to him and support him, Where as Nix is a midget and gets steamrolled.

The above statement that we should drop Daley for Nix is almost as bad as saying play Conlon in midfield! LOL

It's a good job your not a city manager

Waynus:

a double digit send? LOL

Glad someone can read and understand my posts.

For the purppose of clarity:

when OB goes bombing forward as he should do there is a defensive gap because DALEY is, as we all know, incapable of defending properly.

Nix is capable of filling that position and is better at stopping opposing full backs coming forward than Daley even when OB is in position.

As we have a wide right player in either Jones or Colbeck we cannot afford now to carry a wide left player who cannot cover properly.

incidentally it's not a good job your--- it should be it's a good jon you're not.................
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Waynus wrote:

Get a life wrote:

tyker wrote: waynus--no my desk is still cold unlike your keyboard!!! if true Law is a great signing: dare I say, drop Daley and let Nix play left side midfield: he has better defensive qualities when OB goes on one of ever more dangerous forays.

"drop Daley and let Nix play left side midfield": It's a good job your not a city manager Daley for Nix, you must be joking. Daley is a speed king, who not only can turn defence into attack in a matter of a second, and can take 3 defenders in to the corner. Only if someone can keep up to him and support him, Where as Nix is a midget and gets steamrolled.

The above statement that we should drop Daley for Nix is almost as bad as saying play Conlon in midfield! LOL It's a good job your not a city manager

I've never said Conlon in midfield,Conlon shouldn't be in the team full stop. That's due to lack of talent and ability. Strikers should have all round ability instead of just able to flick on.
But I would never boo him, if he's in the team I'll back him 100%.

As for Tykers Idea,It was tried at Accrington Stanley but Nix was very poor to say the least

Get a life wrote:

Waynus wrote:

Get a life wrote:

tyker wrote: waynus--no my desk is still cold unlike your keyboard!!! if true Law is a great signing: dare I say, drop Daley and let Nix play left side midfield: he has better defensive qualities when OB goes on one of ever more dangerous forays.

"drop Daley and let Nix play left side midfield": It's a good job your not a city manager Daley for Nix, you must be joking. Daley is a speed king, who not only can turn defence into attack in a matter of a second, and can take 3 defenders in to the corner. Only if someone can keep up to him and support him, Where as Nix is a midget and gets steamrolled.

The above statement that we should drop Daley for Nix is almost as bad as saying play Conlon in midfield! LOL It's a good job your not a city manager

I've never said Conlon in midfield,Conlon shouldn't be in the team full stop. That's due to lack of talent and ability. Strikers should have all round ability instead of just able to flick on. But I would never boo him, if he's in the team I'll back him 100%. As for Tykers Idea,It was tried at Accrington Stanley but Nix was very poor to say the least

Agreed it wasn't you that said Bazza should play in midfield. That was 'freespeech'. My apologies.

However, in relation to Tyker's suggestion and your response, I could argue that it hasn't worked by playing Daley on the left instead of the right. I could also suggesy that a number of you were saying it wasn't working by playing Mclaren in our midfield. The fact is, it is worth another go as Daley has been poor of late (no, I will change that to poorER of late).