HEREFORD 2 CITY 0 (From Bradford Telegraph and Argus)

You have to question whether Taylor is the right man for the job. He's been here over a month now and brought in his own players yet we are still losing to poor sides like hereford!

finemess wrote:
You have to question whether Taylor is the right man for the job. He's been here over a month now and brought in his own players yet we are still losing to poor sides like hereford!

who do you want then, at the end of the day atleast we win some games under taylor. under mccall we were winning one in 10 under taylor hes won 50% of his games and thats almost unheard of in the long term so just think on i bet you didnt question mccall after 8 games did you

finemess wrote:
You have to question whether Taylor is the right man for the job. He's been here over a month now and brought in his own players yet we are still losing to poor sides like hereford!

so mcalls gone, lets hav a go at taylor!!! get a grip to all u so called city supporters!! wenever u lose lets slate the manager!!! accept city r just sh..e!!!! but getting on ur mangers bak is gunna want him to stay!!!! accept defeat week in nn week out n stop bloody moaning!!!!!! end of!!!

SHOCKING RESULT!!!!!!
Cant wait for this season to end.......
How a club like ours cant even make the play-offs beggars belief!!
THINGS CAN ONLY GET BETTER!!..........CA
NT THEY???

What on earth was Zesh doing on the bench, GET HIM OUT playing for god sake. Experience is what we needed out there today. The defending was disgraceful.

What on earth is happening there!!!

Hook, line, sinker.

thebrownsauceman wrote:

finemess wrote: You have to question whether Taylor is the right man for the job. He's been here over a month now and brought in his own players yet we are still losing to poor sides like hereford!

who do you want then, at the end of the day atleast we win some games under taylor. under mccall we were winning one in 10 under taylor hes won 50% of his games and thats almost unheard of in the long term so just think on i bet you didnt question mccall after 8 games did you

Ha ha ha ha, I would take a wild stab in the dark that finemess is taking the p!ss.
This is easier than fishing at times with the amount of bites people get.
In all honesty my only point on this would be that Hereford are one of the worst sides that I have seen play in recent times, so it just lets everyone know how far we need to progress to be EVEN CONSIDERED for the play offs next year. However, many of you will be on here in pre-season saying that we are defo's for play offs if not promotion.
Lets get the first 15 games out of the way next season before you start messing your trousers.

valleyofshame wrote:

thebrownsauceman wrote:

finemess wrote: You have to question whether Taylor is the right man for the job. He's been here over a month now and brought in his own players yet we are still losing to poor sides like hereford!

who do you want then, at the end of the day atleast we win some games under taylor. under mccall we were winning one in 10 under taylor hes won 50% of his games and thats almost unheard of in the long term so just think on i bet you didnt question mccall after 8 games did you

Ha ha ha ha, I would take a wild stab in the dark that finemess is taking the p!ss. This is easier than fishing at times with the amount of bites people get. In all honesty my only point on this would be that Hereford are one of the worst sides that I have seen play in recent times, so it just lets everyone know how far we need to progress to be EVEN CONSIDERED for the play offs next year. However, many of you will be on here in pre-season saying that we are defo's for play offs if not promotion. Lets get the first 15 games out of the way next season before you start messing your trousers.

well done! pmsl

finemess wrote:

valleyofshame wrote:

thebrownsauceman wrote:

finemess wrote: You have to question whether Taylor is the right man for the job. He's been here over a month now and brought in his own players yet we are still losing to poor sides like hereford!

who do you want then, at the end of the day atleast we win some games under taylor. under mccall we were winning one in 10 under taylor hes won 50% of his games and thats almost unheard of in the long term so just think on i bet you didnt question mccall after 8 games did you

Ha ha ha ha, I would take a wild stab in the dark that finemess is taking the p!ss. This is easier than fishing at times with the amount of bites people get. In all honesty my only point on this would be that Hereford are one of the worst sides that I have seen play in recent times, so it just lets everyone know how far we need to progress to be EVEN CONSIDERED for the play offs next year. However, many of you will be on here in pre-season saying that we are defo's for play offs if not promotion. Lets get the first 15 games out of the way next season before you start messing your trousers.

well done! pmsl

The only reason I knew you were joking is because you forgot to say that it is all Jacobs fault, cr4p coach, etc, etc, etc. Other than that I would never had guessed!

Er,,, our inspirational captain was out injured, and I think they're more geared up for the home game against Notts Co. Happens too often in sport with middle table clubs playing a blinder against clubs at the top end of the division, and then fumbling against lesser opposition.

balbrigganfc wrote:
Er,,, our inspirational captain was out injured, and I think they're more geared up for the home game against Notts Co. Happens too often in sport with middle table clubs playing a blinder against clubs at the top end of the division, and then fumbling against lesser opposition.

Hang on, where is your 'as predicted' balls?
Don't start letting the side down are try talking football.

not the most inspiring of results all things considered. We did though miss a few sitters apparently. Strange team out there as well. Trying to understand why we would attempt to 'save' players for Tuesdays game. Can only think that Taylor knows the importance of having a good home record. It is also where the majority of fans will judge both his and his teams performance. Omar for instance needs games surely even at this stage of the season when we have nothing to play for but pride. I feel Taylor may however be merely assesing his options as a squad for next year. He knows he needs players who adptable due to the length of the season. he can also assess whether they fit what he wants them to do. Another thing Bullock as captain makes me wonder is this an acknowledgement/resp
ect thing or does he actuallt intend to keep him for longer. I feel that its time That he moved on and do not see keeping bullock as an indication of progress.

A win would have made Tuesdays game more exciting and i fear that the atmosphere will be very flat now. We as fans surely deserve a turn in fortunes we have had ten years of relegations and nothing seasons. Lets all city supporters start to behave in a respectful and positive manner to all creatures and thus have good karma come our way next season ;)

valleyofshame wrote:

balbrigganfc wrote: Er,,, our inspirational captain was out injured, and I think they're more geared up for the home game against Notts Co. Happens too often in sport with middle table clubs playing a blinder against clubs at the top end of the division, and then fumbling against lesser opposition.

Hang on, where is your 'as predicted' balls? Don't start letting the side down are try talking football.

OK just for you valleyofshame:

"As previously predicted the unexpected happened with unforeseen injuries"

"This resulted in City not winning this game", "which I had previously predicted them winning" "Provided there were no unforeseen injuries, which there was in this case",

So my prediction (yet again) was correct!

I wish I could get some of my predictions wrong, I'm sick of always being right most of the time.

Come on you Bantams!

City to mash Notts Co!

Plucked from Todays Times......

TWO FOOTBALL League clubs have been fined for failing to abide by the FA’s doping control regulations, but that is just the tip of the iceberg, with dozens of players missing out-of-competition tests in England.

QPR and Bradford City have been fined £6,000 and £1,000 respectively for repeated failure to provide accurate information to sampling officers trying to locate players they want to test......

valleyofshame wrote:

balbrigganfc wrote: Er,,, our inspirational captain was out injured, and I think they're more geared up for the home game against Notts Co. Happens too often in sport with middle table clubs playing a blinder against clubs at the top end of the division, and then fumbling against lesser opposition.

Hang on, where is your 'as predicted' balls? Don't start letting the side down are try talking football.

Hey Valleyofshame,

Please refrain from using fowl language "bxxxs", you should apologise.

being one of the first to predict mcalls downfall i got slated on here but it is far to early to get at taylor for plenty of reasons im pretty sure he will come out and say they were poor yesterday hes got proven track record thats two things over mcall allready hes had to build a team from a realy poor one and the transfer windows shut so ill be there on tuesday lets get behind them and convince him to stay or were back at square 1 nobody moaned in 96 when we beat top teams and struggled against poor ones then beating notts co at wembley so i fancy us on tuesday and if we do win nobody will be negative on here sign up taylor now ctid

dubaibantam wrote:
Plucked from Todays Times...... TWO FOOTBALL League clubs have been fined for failing to abide by the FA’s doping control regulations, but that is just the tip of the iceberg, with dozens of players missing out-of-competition tests in England. QPR and Bradford City have been fined £6,000 and £1,000 respectively for repeated failure to provide accurate information to sampling officers trying to locate players they want to test......

Does this mean City are No2 in the country for being dopes?

If so we should have a league table for this, and would have some thing to cheer for.

Maybe we could win a trophy n stuff!

Come on you Bantams!

Entertaining? Sheesh - Parker must be easily pleased. It probably wasnt the worst performance this season, but as a spectacle is was awful. First goal looked to me like a Glennon error and their second was just a well taken finish after a lob over the top that the 8ft Oliver missed completely. The side looked disorganised, without a clue who they were supposed to be passing to. Taylor played so many formations I couldnt honestly say what they were trying to play - they seemed to try all of 'em. They also didn't look up for it and I don't accept that prepping for Notts County is an excuse - we've got nothing to play for this season anyway - so many new players being tried out for next season's big push is an indicator of this. Most of our performers had shockers especially Flynn and Threlfall, both losing possession regularly throughout the game and Evans missed a real sitter. I've seen the BBC stats of the game which also don't seem to ring true. We don't seem to be able to create good numbers of chances at the moment. Hereford's keeper made two very good saves in the first twenty minutes when we looked liveliest, but from us that was pretty much it. None of our subs improved the game and in full agreement with others we played a very poor team who almost looked surprised that we were so poor. Of all Taylors loan signings I couldn't really say I rated any of them from this performance and clearly they will not all be staying (McCammon will go and the ineffectual Grant just made Bateson look very exposed). From this game, you could easily understand people wondering what Taylor is bringing to the party when we can't put away such a poor side. If I was Lawn, I'd have been mightily concerned about the prospect of extending Taylor's contract. If we consistently play dreary football and there's a 50/50 chance of us winning, then the fans will just likely stay at home and hope for the win. Hope we don't get murdered by Notts County on Tuesday.

No doubt we're just below Leeds in the dopes league.

i think you'll see a totally different approach to the Notts County game ,Taylors just having a look at different players at the minute. Everyone at the club should be up for the game on Tuesday after we got turned over twice at Meadow Lane this season not to mention the almighty stick dished out by the County fans !!! What goes around comes around springs to mind lol.

Big Time, we have already turned over Rotherham & Rochdale, and Notts Co have it coming to them big style.

Why can't L666s do us all a favour and go bust.

keefluarr wrote:
Entertaining? Sheesh - Parker must be easily pleased. It probably wasnt the worst performance this season, but as a spectacle is was awful. First goal looked to me like a Glennon error and their second was just a well taken finish after a lob over the top that the 8ft Oliver missed completely. The side looked disorganised, without a clue who they were supposed to be passing to. Taylor played so many formations I couldnt honestly say what they were trying to play - they seemed to try all of 'em. They also didn't look up for it and I don't accept that prepping for Notts County is an excuse - we've got nothing to play for this season anyway - so many new players being tried out for next season's big push is an indicator of this. Most of our performers had shockers especially Flynn and Threlfall, both losing possession regularly throughout the game and Evans missed a real sitter. I've seen the BBC stats of the game which also don't seem to ring true. We don't seem to be able to create good numbers of chances at the moment. Hereford's keeper made two very good saves in the first twenty minutes when we looked liveliest, but from us that was pretty much it. None of our subs improved the game and in full agreement with others we played a very poor team who almost looked surprised that we were so poor. Of all Taylors loan signings I couldn't really say I rated any of them from this performance and clearly they will not all be staying (McCammon will go and the ineffectual Grant just made Bateson look very exposed). From this game, you could easily understand people wondering what Taylor is bringing to the party when we can't put away such a poor side. If I was Lawn, I'd have been mightily concerned about the prospect of extending Taylor's contract. If we consistently play dreary football and there's a 50/50 chance of us winning, then the fans will just likely stay at home and hope for the win. Hope we don't get murdered by Notts County on Tuesday.

Some people will never be totally satisfied unless we win every single game will they!?!?

'If I was Lawn, I'd have been mightily concerned about the prospect of extending Taylor's contract.'

Come on then Einstein, who would you have with as much experience and obvious talent at this level to take control!?

8 matches or so into his reign, with a team he never built, only allowed a few loans, which have been on a whole effective so far compared to the players in McCalls squad, produce 4 wins, and you're bloody well moaning already! He's had the balls to get rid o' the dead wood which desperately needed doing, has started putting the feelers out for young talent for next season, and has already largely tightened up the defence which was leaking goals! He cannot be judged until half way into next season at least and certainly on what we've seen so far, its a huge improvement! But don't worry Keef, maybe Sir Alex will be up for the challenge, and move to manningham in the summer! Div!

in reality we all want out team winning all the time buy this was really a meaningless game with neither team playing for nothing.

However I feel Taylor is using games like this to experiment, to try things a little bit differently and try r things on the field recently considered in training: remember we are a bottom tier team and players at this level tend to have a slower learning curve.

Taylor is clearly sorting out those who are out of contract and who may have another contract offer for next season and , with all his contacts and knowledge, beginning to sort out just what he needs for next season.

so patience please, patience

I agree that there is a lot of experimentation going on. I stated after the Vale game, that the players didn't gel at all, which is hardly surprising, as many haven't played together for very long.
Previous to the Vale game, I only saw the game at Macc, and if memory serves, there were only 3 players on the field at Vale who played at Macc!
The more concerning thing is that they don't even look good individually, and even though we beat Shots, it seems to be several games on the trot now that City have looked "dire" or worse, and wouldn't you just guess that having let three strikers go in a week, that we would fail to score!

the city realist wrote:
being one of the first to predict mcalls downfall i got slated on here but it is far to early to get at taylor for plenty of reasons im pretty sure he will come out and say they were poor yesterday hes got proven track record thats two things over mcall allready hes had to build a team from a realy poor one and the transfer windows shut so ill be there on tuesday lets get behind them and convince him to stay or were back at square 1 nobody moaned in 96 when we beat top teams and struggled against poor ones then beating notts co at wembley so i fancy us on tuesday and if we do win nobody will be negative on here sign up taylor now ctid

Wow, you predicted that a football manager would get sacked? You are a genious. Let me now be the first to predict this...Peter Taylor will not be the Bradford City manager in three years time. Do I get a prize?

Bricktop wrote:

keefluarr wrote: Entertaining? Sheesh - Parker must be easily pleased. It probably wasnt the worst performance this season, but as a spectacle is was awful. First goal looked to me like a Glennon error and their second was just a well taken finish after a lob over the top that the 8ft Oliver missed completely. The side looked disorganised, without a clue who they were supposed to be passing to. Taylor played so many formations I couldnt honestly say what they were trying to play - they seemed to try all of 'em. They also didn't look up for it and I don't accept that prepping for Notts County is an excuse - we've got nothing to play for this season anyway - so many new players being tried out for next season's big push is an indicator of this. Most of our performers had shockers especially Flynn and Threlfall, both losing possession regularly throughout the game and Evans missed a real sitter. I've seen the BBC stats of the game which also don't seem to ring true. We don't seem to be able to create good numbers of chances at the moment. Hereford's keeper made two very good saves in the first twenty minutes when we looked liveliest, but from us that was pretty much it. None of our subs improved the game and in full agreement with others we played a very poor team who almost looked surprised that we were so poor. Of all Taylors loan signings I couldn't really say I rated any of them from this performance and clearly they will not all be staying (McCammon will go and the ineffectual Grant just made Bateson look very exposed). From this game, you could easily understand people wondering what Taylor is bringing to the party when we can't put away such a poor side. If I was Lawn, I'd have been mightily concerned about the prospect of extending Taylor's contract. If we consistently play dreary football and there's a 50/50 chance of us winning, then the fans will just likely stay at home and hope for the win. Hope we don't get murdered by Notts County on Tuesday.

Some people will never be totally satisfied unless we win every single game will they!?!? 'If I was Lawn, I'd have been mightily concerned about the prospect of extending Taylor's contract.' Come on then Einstein, who would you have with as much experience and obvious talent at this level to take control!? 8 matches or so into his reign, with a team he never built, only allowed a few loans, which have been on a whole effective so far compared to the players in McCalls squad, produce 4 wins, and you're bloody well moaning already! He's had the balls to get rid o' the dead wood which desperately needed doing, has started putting the feelers out for young talent for next season, and has already largely tightened up the defence which was leaking goals! He cannot be judged until half way into next season at least and certainly on what we've seen so far, its a huge improvement! But don't worry Keef, maybe Sir Alex will be up for the challenge, and move to manningham in the summer! Div!

A few questions bricktop.

1. What was there to be satisfied about yesterdays performance?
2. Why is the middle of next season an appropriate point to "judge" PT?
3. How exactly has the defence been tightened up?
4. How have the players that have been brought in been "on the whole more effective"?
5. Where is your evidence that there has been a "huge improvement" since PT arrived?

All of those that decided that SM wasn't good enough but that PT is are desperate to be proven right. From what I have seen, there has been no discernible improvement in performance levels since McCall left. SM would have been slaughtered by his detractors for yesterday's performance because it was very poor. Take away the Rochdale game and we have seen some utter dross.

However, there are extenuating circumstances and it is not just the manager that you look at. The weather was awful in the second half and we had to play directly into a strong wind. There are several new faces and it will take time for them to gell. Evans missed a sitter which didn't help the cause.

On the balance of play though, the better side won. This was a poor performance and is one of several poor performances. I am not sure why there is so much optimism for PT to bring success because he will still have a low budget and will still have some of the contracted players here next year whether he wants them or not. Time will tell but if these games are PT showcasing his abilities then I would be quite happy to wait for the summer to see who else might be available.

Well, for me Taylor has the record to show he can do a job of achieving promotion with a Football Team. I don't base this on a handful of games I base it on the years he's been doing the job. OK, It's not a guarantee of success (depending on your definition of success) but if someone has a better bet I am willing to listen. I also believe that he can only do this if the Team he wants to build is NOT having to be rehashed at the start of new season -as in McCall's case- because we can't afford the contracts we promised the players. If Taylor is going to be blamed for not bringing in 'better players than we already have', when the funds he has at his disposal only allow him players who can't get in their own Teams 1st Team and are loaned out for 'fitness' or 'experience' reasons then he is already doomed IMO. His great strength appears to be his knowledge and experience of Managing at all levels of the game. BUT!, again, if the budget is not there for bringing in players who can or could play regularly in Teams that are 'better' than us (e.g. Law, Furman, Jones) then he will be in the same boat as McCall. I am not criticising the Chairmen on keeping a tight control over the expenditure here, I am simply pointing out that only the very best Managers who are prepared to stay for the long-haul will, IMO, stand a chance of meeting the expectations of many of the City fans. If Taylor does sign a 'permanent' contract it will either be based on another 'push the boat out' gamble for next season, or it will be agreed that it will take 2/3 years of steady consistent and patient Team building (IMO). If it is the former, how many want to take that 'gamble'? if it's the latter how many City supporters have the patience? Do supporters expect more from Taylor than they did from McCall? and if they do will they be calling for Taylors head at the end of next season if we are not at least in the play-offs? (or maybe blame Jacobs?)

Bricktop wrote:

keefluarr wrote: Entertaining? Sheesh - Parker must be easily pleased. It probably wasnt the worst performance this season, but as a spectacle is was awful. First goal looked to me like a Glennon error and their second was just a well taken finish after a lob over the top that the 8ft Oliver missed completely. The side looked disorganised, without a clue who they were supposed to be passing to. Taylor played so many formations I couldnt honestly say what they were trying to play - they seemed to try all of 'em. They also didn't look up for it and I don't accept that prepping for Notts County is an excuse - we've got nothing to play for this season anyway - so many new players being tried out for next season's big push is an indicator of this. Most of our performers had shockers especially Flynn and Threlfall, both losing possession regularly throughout the game and Evans missed a real sitter. I've seen the BBC stats of the game which also don't seem to ring true. We don't seem to be able to create good numbers of chances at the moment. Hereford's keeper made two very good saves in the first twenty minutes when we looked liveliest, but from us that was pretty much it. None of our subs improved the game and in full agreement with others we played a very poor team who almost looked surprised that we were so poor. Of all Taylors loan signings I couldn't really say I rated any of them from this performance and clearly they will not all be staying (McCammon will go and the ineffectual Grant just made Bateson look very exposed). From this game, you could easily understand people wondering what Taylor is bringing to the party when we can't put away such a poor side. If I was Lawn, I'd have been mightily concerned about the prospect of extending Taylor's contract. If we consistently play dreary football and there's a 50/50 chance of us winning, then the fans will just likely stay at home and hope for the win. Hope we don't get murdered by Notts County on Tuesday.

Some people will never be totally satisfied unless we win every single game will they!?!? 'If I was Lawn, I'd have been mightily concerned about the prospect of extending Taylor's contract.' Come on then Einstein, who would you have with as much experience and obvious talent at this level to take control!? 8 matches or so into his reign, with a team he never built, only allowed a few loans, which have been on a whole effective so far compared to the players in McCalls squad, produce 4 wins, and you're bloody well moaning already! He's had the balls to get rid o' the dead wood which desperately needed doing, has started putting the feelers out for young talent for next season, and has already largely tightened up the defence which was leaking goals! He cannot be judged until half way into next season at least and certainly on what we've seen so far, its a huge improvement! But don't worry Keef, maybe Sir Alex will be up for the challenge, and move to manningham in the summer! Div!

Uh huh clever boy.....OK so:

1. Were you at the match? I can only assume not


2. What proof is there that PT has improved BCFC either this or or for next season?


3. Where have I said that winning was important?


I enjoy it when we win tremendously, but let's face it football is the entertainment business and when one pays £20 on the gate it is not unreasonable to expect to to be entertained - even if we lose or draw. The person who runs the show is accountable for that entertainment and indeed is paid handsomely to do so. I remember two matches away from home under McCall this season where we played free flowing attractive, attacking football, but drew 2-2. They were both entertaining matches and whilst we felt hard done to on the points front, got our money's worth. Saying that I've also seen some dross under McCall this season too - and felt hard done by. Thus, and I stick by this; if I had put £1M on the line, on yesterday's showing, I'd be hugely concerned that fans would not turn up to watch this style of football - regardless of who the manager is - a factor I'm sure is important to Lawn.

balbrigganfc wrote:

valleyofshame wrote:

balbrigganfc wrote: Er,,, our inspirational captain was out injured, and I think they're more geared up for the home game against Notts Co. Happens too often in sport with middle table clubs playing a blinder against clubs at the top end of the division, and then fumbling against lesser opposition.

Hang on, where is your 'as predicted' balls? Don't start letting the side down are try talking football.

Hey Valleyofshame, Please refrain from using fowl language "bxxxs", you should apologise.

No

just back from spending the weekend in Hereford with family and I must say the game was an absolute shocker and I had the pleasure of sitting with the Hereford fans and I must say what an inbred lot they are......spent most of the game laughing at their pathetic comments, anyway back to the game.
Every player on the pitch had a shocker and it seemed that most of them had already switched off for the summer which I find amazing considering most of them are playing for their contracts/livelyhood
s, the only ones who i thought were ok were Oliver and Clarke but they weren't amazing. Batesons distribution was terrible never found a city player all afternoon even with simple 5yd balls and i'm a fan of his. Flynn, Bolder and Bullock were none existent. Grant and Evans out wide were pathetic and Hanson was his useful trying self so I won't knock him because the service was shocking - we could have had Torres up there and he wouldn't have got a sniff. As for Mcamman or whatever his name his well I cant even be bothered spending time remembering his name because his touch was appalling - poor excuse of a pro footballer - makes Conlon look like Pele. Before people say I am going over the top then i'll state that i am normally very defensive towards the players but I actually left the ground laughing it was that bad!!! If i'd have travelled there and back the same day like some fans i wouldn't be spending time travelling away again.
Taylor has every reason to be livid with them and I fear for some of the livelyhoods if they continue with that attitude.
Anyway look at the positives it's County on Tuesday...lol...watc
h we'll turn them over now.

just back from spending the weekend in Hereford with family and I must say the game was an absolute shocker and I had the pleasure of sitting with the Hereford fans and I must say what an inbred lot they are......spent most of the game laughing at their pathetic comments, anyway back to the game.
Every player on the pitch had a shocker and it seemed that most of them had already switched off for the summer which I find amazing considering most of them are playing for their contracts/livelyhood
s, the only ones who i thought were ok were Oliver and Clarke but they weren't amazing. Batesons distribution was terrible never found a city player all afternoon even with simple 5yd balls and i'm a fan of his. Flynn, Bolder and Bullock were none existent. Grant and Evans out wide were pathetic and Hanson was his useful trying self so I won't knock him because the service was shocking - we could have had Torres up there and he wouldn't have got a sniff. As for Mcamman or whatever his name his well I cant even be bothered spending time remembering his name because his touch was appalling - poor excuse of a pro footballer - makes Conlon look like Pele. Before people say I am going over the top then i'll state that i am normally very defensive towards the players but I actually left the ground laughing it was that bad!!! If i'd have travelled there and back the same day like some fans i wouldn't be spending time travelling away again.
Taylor has every reason to be livid with them and I fear for some of the livelyhoods if they continue with that attitude.
Anyway look at the positives it's County on Tuesday...lol...watc
h we'll turn them over now.

gspot wrote:
just back from spending the weekend in Hereford with family and I must say the game was an absolute shocker and I had the pleasure of sitting with the Hereford fans and I must say what an inbred lot they are......spent most of the game laughing at their pathetic comments, anyway back to the game. Every player on the pitch had a shocker and it seemed that most of them had already switched off for the summer which I find amazing considering most of them are playing for their contracts/livelyhood s, the only ones who i thought were ok were Oliver and Clarke but they weren't amazing. Batesons distribution was terrible never found a city player all afternoon even with simple 5yd balls and i'm a fan of his. Flynn, Bolder and Bullock were none existent. Grant and Evans out wide were pathetic and Hanson was his useful trying self so I won't knock him because the service was shocking - we could have had Torres up there and he wouldn't have got a sniff. As for Mcamman or whatever his name his well I cant even be bothered spending time remembering his name because his touch was appalling - poor excuse of a pro footballer - makes Conlon look like Pele. Before people say I am going over the top then i'll state that i am normally very defensive towards the players but I actually left the ground laughing it was that bad!!! If i'd have travelled there and back the same day like some fans i wouldn't be spending time travelling away again. Taylor has every reason to be livid with them and I fear for some of the livelyhoods if they continue with that attitude. Anyway look at the positives it's County on Tuesday...lol...watc h we'll turn them over now.

Can't argue with the analysis of the game gspot and I am not going to blame PT for the performance. The players had an off-day (I thought Bullock played quite well but with a suspension coming up it made sense to take him off). I was also laughing when I left to prevent a total breakdown!

What is frustrating is that some "city fans" decided that McCall was the problem and decided that he had to go. We have picked up 13 points in the ten games that we have played since he left; the performances are certainly no better so who will these "city fans" in their infinite wisdom seek to blame next?

So we are in to the next cycle of a new manager being given time (and most posters agree he is a good choice of manager), players being shipped out (at some expense) and new players brought in (at some expense) but there are so many other factors beyond the control of the manager that are not in good order at VP so promotion next year is still no closer.

Keefluar therefore has an excellent point; if fans are going to keep coming then the football needs to be entertaining OR we need to be winning regularly; there is a danger that PT on a budget will not be able to deliver either (and that doesn't make him a bad manager). If it was only about the quality of the manager then he wouldn't have needed to change half of the starting eleven would he!

KnightMcCall wrote:

gspot wrote: just back from spending the weekend in Hereford with family and I must say the game was an absolute shocker and I had the pleasure of sitting with the Hereford fans and I must say what an inbred lot they are......spent most of the game laughing at their pathetic comments, anyway back to the game. Every player on the pitch had a shocker and it seemed that most of them had already switched off for the summer which I find amazing considering most of them are playing for their contracts/livelyhood s, the only ones who i thought were ok were Oliver and Clarke but they weren't amazing. Batesons distribution was terrible never found a city player all afternoon even with simple 5yd balls and i'm a fan of his. Flynn, Bolder and Bullock were none existent. Grant and Evans out wide were pathetic and Hanson was his useful trying self so I won't knock him because the service was shocking - we could have had Torres up there and he wouldn't have got a sniff. As for Mcamman or whatever his name his well I cant even be bothered spending time remembering his name because his touch was appalling - poor excuse of a pro footballer - makes Conlon look like Pele. Before people say I am going over the top then i'll state that i am normally very defensive towards the players but I actually left the ground laughing it was that bad!!! If i'd have travelled there and back the same day like some fans i wouldn't be spending time travelling away again. Taylor has every reason to be livid with them and I fear for some of the livelyhoods if they continue with that attitude. Anyway look at the positives it's County on Tuesday...lol...watc h we'll turn them over now.

Can't argue with the analysis of the game gspot and I am not going to blame PT for the performance. The players had an off-day (I thought Bullock played quite well but with a suspension coming up it made sense to take him off). I was also laughing when I left to prevent a total breakdown! What is frustrating is that some "city fans" decided that McCall was the problem and decided that he had to go. We have picked up 13 points in the ten games that we have played since he left; the performances are certainly no better so who will these "city fans" in their infinite wisdom seek to blame next? So we are in to the next cycle of a new manager being given time (and most posters agree he is a good choice of manager), players being shipped out (at some expense) and new players brought in (at some expense) but there are so many other factors beyond the control of the manager that are not in good order at VP so promotion next year is still no closer. Keefluar therefore has an excellent point; if fans are going to keep coming then the football needs to be entertaining OR we need to be winning regularly; there is a danger that PT on a budget will not be able to deliver either (and that doesn't make him a bad manager). If it was only about the quality of the manager then he wouldn't have needed to change half of the starting eleven would he!

i'd disagree that the performances in general haven't improved although inconsistent, we must admit the team look fair more professionial and disciplined. I never expected Taylor to bring enterprising football but he will bring success and i also dont think anyone can judge him yet because he is trialling players in prep for next season.
If people are really starting to criticise PT already then they need to give their heads a shake!!! He is tinkering with players/ideas for next season only.

KnightMcCall wrote:

Bricktop wrote:

keefluarr wrote: Entertaining? Sheesh - Parker must be easily pleased. It probably wasnt the worst performance this season, but as a spectacle is was awful. First goal looked to me like a Glennon error and their second was just a well taken finish after a lob over the top that the 8ft Oliver missed completely. The side looked disorganised, without a clue who they were supposed to be passing to. Taylor played so many formations I couldnt honestly say what they were trying to play - they seemed to try all of 'em. They also didn't look up for it and I don't accept that prepping for Notts County is an excuse - we've got nothing to play for this season anyway - so many new players being tried out for next season's big push is an indicator of this. Most of our performers had shockers especially Flynn and Threlfall, both losing possession regularly throughout the game and Evans missed a real sitter. I've seen the BBC stats of the game which also don't seem to ring true. We don't seem to be able to create good numbers of chances at the moment. Hereford's keeper made two very good saves in the first twenty minutes when we looked liveliest, but from us that was pretty much it. None of our subs improved the game and in full agreement with others we played a very poor team who almost looked surprised that we were so poor. Of all Taylors loan signings I couldn't really say I rated any of them from this performance and clearly they will not all be staying (McCammon will go and the ineffectual Grant just made Bateson look very exposed). From this game, you could easily understand people wondering what Taylor is bringing to the party when we can't put away such a poor side. If I was Lawn, I'd have been mightily concerned about the prospect of extending Taylor's contract. If we consistently play dreary football and there's a 50/50 chance of us winning, then the fans will just likely stay at home and hope for the win. Hope we don't get murdered by Notts County on Tuesday.

Some people will never be totally satisfied unless we win every single game will they!?!? 'If I was Lawn, I'd have been mightily concerned about the prospect of extending Taylor's contract.' Come on then Einstein, who would you have with as much experience and obvious talent at this level to take control!? 8 matches or so into his reign, with a team he never built, only allowed a few loans, which have been on a whole effective so far compared to the players in McCalls squad, produce 4 wins, and you're bloody well moaning already! He's had the balls to get rid o' the dead wood which desperately needed doing, has started putting the feelers out for young talent for next season, and has already largely tightened up the defence which was leaking goals! He cannot be judged until half way into next season at least and certainly on what we've seen so far, its a huge improvement! But don't worry Keef, maybe Sir Alex will be up for the challenge, and move to manningham in the summer! Div!

A few questions bricktop. 1. What was there to be satisfied about yesterdays performance? 2. Why is the middle of next season an appropriate point to "judge" PT? 3. How exactly has the defence been tightened up? 4. How have the players that have been brought in been "on the whole more effective"? 5. Where is your evidence that there has been a "huge improvement" since PT arrived? All of those that decided that SM wasn't good enough but that PT is are desperate to be proven right. From what I have seen, there has been no discernible improvement in performance levels since McCall left. SM would have been slaughtered by his detractors for yesterday's performance because it was very poor. Take away the Rochdale game and we have seen some utter dross. However, there are extenuating circumstances and it is not just the manager that you look at. The weather was awful in the second half and we had to play directly into a strong wind. There are several new faces and it will take time for them to gell. Evans missed a sitter which didn't help the cause. On the balance of play though, the better side won. This was a poor performance and is one of several poor performances. I am not sure why there is so much optimism for PT to bring success because he will still have a low budget and will still have some of the contracted players here next year whether he wants them or not. Time will tell but if these games are PT showcasing his abilities then I would be quite happy to wait for the summer to see who else might be available.

Apologies for the delay, firstly

1) I never said i was satisfied with the performance or indeed the result yesterday, obviously im not going to be doing backflips if we lose, just think the people who are being negative about Taylor at this stage of his appointment and casting any kind of doubt or negativity over his appointment are the kind of people who will only be interested if we win every game! It simply will not happen, and lets face it, 4 wins in 8 games under McCall would have been in my and many other supporters opinions, an excellent return as his managment skills were sadly so inept!
2) Your second question, mid way through next season, will have allowed PT to assess, release those not worthy, build his own squad, coach them how he wants to and allow them time to gel! Simples!
3) The defence... Well hes dropped Rehman for starters... brought in cover, and Oliver's mistake aside, we have looked more solid and organised in defence, thats plain to see, and he's had some sort of effect on Clarkey, as he apparently look more assured! That has to be seen as an imrovement!
4) More effective, he's brought in loan signings and the results in comparison have improved. Threlfall for one, two cracking free kicks, Bolder creating chances and ball winning, its an improvement!
5)Its a huge improvement in the way of team organisation and the results against the better teams!

I take on board what you have said re the result had McCall been in charge, i just think its far too early to encourage people to withold putting stock and faith into PT after only 8 games, this is not him showing his abilities, it's him working with someone elses squad and a few emergency loans! I'm not too sure he'll have as poor a budget as you might expect next season, perhaps if the board feel they have the right man for the job and they can agree on meeting PT's budget, we may see some suprising faces in the squad for next season. I think the optimism stems from his past achievments at this level... that cant be argued with.. and re the ugly football notion being banded about... who cares if we win the majority of games and get out of this league!

Bricktop wrote:

KnightMcCall wrote:

Bricktop wrote:

keefluarr wrote: Entertaining? Sheesh - Parker must be easily pleased. It probably wasnt the worst performance this season, but as a spectacle is was awful. First goal looked to me like a Glennon error and their second was just a well taken finish after a lob over the top that the 8ft Oliver missed completely. The side looked disorganised, without a clue who they were supposed to be passing to. Taylor played so many formations I couldnt honestly say what they were trying to play - they seemed to try all of 'em. They also didn't look up for it and I don't accept that prepping for Notts County is an excuse - we've got nothing to play for this season anyway - so many new players being tried out for next season's big push is an indicator of this. Most of our performers had shockers especially Flynn and Threlfall, both losing possession regularly throughout the game and Evans missed a real sitter. I've seen the BBC stats of the game which also don't seem to ring true. We don't seem to be able to create good numbers of chances at the moment. Hereford's keeper made two very good saves in the first twenty minutes when we looked liveliest, but from us that was pretty much it. None of our subs improved the game and in full agreement with others we played a very poor team who almost looked surprised that we were so poor. Of all Taylors loan signings I couldn't really say I rated any of them from this performance and clearly they will not all be staying (McCammon will go and the ineffectual Grant just made Bateson look very exposed). From this game, you could easily understand people wondering what Taylor is bringing to the party when we can't put away such a poor side. If I was Lawn, I'd have been mightily concerned about the prospect of extending Taylor's contract. If we consistently play dreary football and there's a 50/50 chance of us winning, then the fans will just likely stay at home and hope for the win. Hope we don't get murdered by Notts County on Tuesday.

Some people will never be totally satisfied unless we win every single game will they!?!? 'If I was Lawn, I'd have been mightily concerned about the prospect of extending Taylor's contract.' Come on then Einstein, who would you have with as much experience and obvious talent at this level to take control!? 8 matches or so into his reign, with a team he never built, only allowed a few loans, which have been on a whole effective so far compared to the players in McCalls squad, produce 4 wins, and you're bloody well moaning already! He's had the balls to get rid o' the dead wood which desperately needed doing, has started putting the feelers out for young talent for next season, and has already largely tightened up the defence which was leaking goals! He cannot be judged until half way into next season at least and certainly on what we've seen so far, its a huge improvement! But don't worry Keef, maybe Sir Alex will be up for the challenge, and move to manningham in the summer! Div!

A few questions bricktop. 1. What was there to be satisfied about yesterdays performance? 2. Why is the middle of next season an appropriate point to "judge" PT? 3. How exactly has the defence been tightened up? 4. How have the players that have been brought in been "on the whole more effective"? 5. Where is your evidence that there has been a "huge improvement" since PT arrived? All of those that decided that SM wasn't good enough but that PT is are desperate to be proven right. From what I have seen, there has been no discernible improvement in performance levels since McCall left. SM would have been slaughtered by his detractors for yesterday's performance because it was very poor. Take away the Rochdale game and we have seen some utter dross. However, there are extenuating circumstances and it is not just the manager that you look at. The weather was awful in the second half and we had to play directly into a strong wind. There are several new faces and it will take time for them to gell. Evans missed a sitter which didn't help the cause. On the balance of play though, the better side won. This was a poor performance and is one of several poor performances. I am not sure why there is so much optimism for PT to bring success because he will still have a low budget and will still have some of the contracted players here next year whether he wants them or not. Time will tell but if these games are PT showcasing his abilities then I would be quite happy to wait for the summer to see who else might be available.

Apologies for the delay, firstly 1) I never said i was satisfied with the performance or indeed the result yesterday, obviously im not going to be doing backflips if we lose, just think the people who are being negative about Taylor at this stage of his appointment and casting any kind of doubt or negativity over his appointment are the kind of people who will only be interested if we win every game! It simply will not happen, and lets face it, 4 wins in 8 games under McCall would have been in my and many other supporters opinions, an excellent return as his managment skills were sadly so inept! 2) Your second question, mid way through next season, will have allowed PT to assess, release those not worthy, build his own squad, coach them how he wants to and allow them time to gel! Simples! 3) The defence... Well hes dropped Rehman for starters... brought in cover, and Oliver's mistake aside, we have looked more solid and organised in defence, thats plain to see, and he's had some sort of effect on Clarkey, as he apparently look more assured! That has to be seen as an imrovement! 4) More effective, he's brought in loan signings and the results in comparison have improved. Threlfall for one, two cracking free kicks, Bolder creating chances and ball winning, its an improvement! 5)Its a huge improvement in the way of team organisation and the results against the better teams! I take on board what you have said re the result had McCall been in charge, i just think its far too early to encourage people to withold putting stock and faith into PT after only 8 games, this is not him showing his abilities, it's him working with someone elses squad and a few emergency loans! I'm not too sure he'll have as poor a budget as you might expect next season, perhaps if the board feel they have the right man for the job and they can agree on meeting PT's budget, we may see some suprising faces in the squad for next season. I think the optimism stems from his past achievments at this level... that cant be argued with.. and re the ugly football notion being banded about... who cares if we win the majority of games and get out of this league!

"I never said i was satisfied with the performance or indeed the result yesterday, obviously im not going to be doing backflips if we lose, just think the people who are being negative about Taylor at this stage of his appointment and casting any kind of doubt or negativity over his appointment are the kind of people who will only be interested if we win every game! "

I care how we play and no it's not just the winning that matters. It's just as important to me that we play well as a team as well as win, lose or draw.

Satisfied with performance? You weren't even there to see how we played!! Negativity was absolutely due after yesterday's game - get over it. It certainly added more of a case for Lawn to be cagey about signing PT up longer term - if indeed he hasn't already decided. PT cannot afford for the team to be 'lacklustre' as per this game or any other game where he is allowed to dabble freely with players and formations. All supporters of PT should be genuinely worried about him staying on unless he really starts getting more positive results (as previously predicted?) and definitely better looking football to keep ticket sales at a minimum level.

Conlon WAS Pele no doubt in my mind, I just hope Taylor brings him back to the Valley.

a nothing game for both teams;let's face up to it Taylor has inherited a team totally inadequate and he has started the process required to change things around. and results and performances like this will crop occur as he seeks to change things.

remember all:we have had near enough 10 years of decline and it is foing to take more than 8 games is it to arrest this slump.

taylor will get it sorted and, as he syas elsewhere, it is all up for grabs now for players coming to the end of their contracts at City. They have to prove they are worth keeping otherwise they move on:It really is that simple as that and there will be no sympathy from Taylor for anyone.

So come on lads:we have an excellent proven manager, give him a bit of slack as the remainder of this season is being used to create something for next season.

KnightMcCall wrote:

the city realist wrote: being one of the first to predict mcalls downfall i got slated on here but it is far to early to get at taylor for plenty of reasons im pretty sure he will come out and say they were poor yesterday hes got proven track record thats two things over mcall allready hes had to build a team from a realy poor one and the transfer windows shut so ill be there on tuesday lets get behind them and convince him to stay or were back at square 1 nobody moaned in 96 when we beat top teams and struggled against poor ones then beating notts co at wembley so i fancy us on tuesday and if we do win nobody will be negative on here sign up taylor now ctid

Wow, you predicted that a football manager would get sacked? You are a genious. Let me now be the first to predict this...Peter Taylor will not be the Bradford City manager in three years time. Do I get a prize?

you do get a prize pick anyone of the team or better still pick jacobs and have them stuffed.

tyker wrote:
a nothing game for both teams;let's face up to it Taylor has inherited a team totally inadequate and he has started the process required to change things around. and results and performances like this will crop occur as he seeks to change things. remember all:we have had near enough 10 years of decline and it is foing to take more than 8 games is it to arrest this slump. taylor will get it sorted and, as he syas elsewhere, it is all up for grabs now for players coming to the end of their contracts at City. They have to prove they are worth keeping otherwise they move on:It really is that simple as that and there will be no sympathy from Taylor for anyone. So come on lads:we have an excellent proven manager, give him a bit of slack as the remainder of this season is being used to create something for next season.

That's easy for you to say; Bournemouth is a long way to go if the football is going to be as poor as Hereford.

Anyway, I'm not having a go at PT and genuinely hope that he can bring results (I can put up with dull football if we win matches) but I will repeat that it is not just about the manager and even the best managers will not succeed if other things are not in place at the club. It's easy blaming SM or WJ but if we are not successful with PT in charge; who will be the next scapegoat?

keefluarr wrote:

Bricktop wrote:

KnightMcCall wrote:

Bricktop wrote:

keefluarr wrote: Entertaining? Sheesh - Parker must be easily pleased. It probably wasnt the worst performance this season, but as a spectacle is was awful. First goal looked to me like a Glennon error and their second was just a well taken finish after a lob over the top that the 8ft Oliver missed completely. The side looked disorganised, without a clue who they were supposed to be passing to. Taylor played so many formations I couldnt honestly say what they were trying to play - they seemed to try all of 'em. They also didn't look up for it and I don't accept that prepping for Notts County is an excuse - we've got nothing to play for this season anyway - so many new players being tried out for next season's big push is an indicator of this. Most of our performers had shockers especially Flynn and Threlfall, both losing possession regularly throughout the game and Evans missed a real sitter. I've seen the BBC stats of the game which also don't seem to ring true. We don't seem to be able to create good numbers of chances at the moment. Hereford's keeper made two very good saves in the first twenty minutes when we looked liveliest, but from us that was pretty much it. None of our subs improved the game and in full agreement with others we played a very poor team who almost looked surprised that we were so poor. Of all Taylors loan signings I couldn't really say I rated any of them from this performance and clearly they will not all be staying (McCammon will go and the ineffectual Grant just made Bateson look very exposed). From this game, you could easily understand people wondering what Taylor is bringing to the party when we can't put away such a poor side. If I was Lawn, I'd have been mightily concerned about the prospect of extending Taylor's contract. If we consistently play dreary football and there's a 50/50 chance of us winning, then the fans will just likely stay at home and hope for the win. Hope we don't get murdered by Notts County on Tuesday.

Some people will never be totally satisfied unless we win every single game will they!?!? 'If I was Lawn, I'd have been mightily concerned about the prospect of extending Taylor's contract.' Come on then Einstein, who would you have with as much experience and obvious talent at this level to take control!? 8 matches or so into his reign, with a team he never built, only allowed a few loans, which have been on a whole effective so far compared to the players in McCalls squad, produce 4 wins, and you're bloody well moaning already! He's had the balls to get rid o' the dead wood which desperately needed doing, has started putting the feelers out for young talent for next season, and has already largely tightened up the defence which was leaking goals! He cannot be judged until half way into next season at least and certainly on what we've seen so far, its a huge improvement! But don't worry Keef, maybe Sir Alex will be up for the challenge, and move to manningham in the summer! Div!

A few questions bricktop. 1. What was there to be satisfied about yesterdays performance? 2. Why is the middle of next season an appropriate point to "judge" PT? 3. How exactly has the defence been tightened up? 4. How have the players that have been brought in been "on the whole more effective"? 5. Where is your evidence that there has been a "huge improvement" since PT arrived? All of those that decided that SM wasn't good enough but that PT is are desperate to be proven right. From what I have seen, there has been no discernible improvement in performance levels since McCall left. SM would have been slaughtered by his detractors for yesterday's performance because it was very poor. Take away the Rochdale game and we have seen some utter dross. However, there are extenuating circumstances and it is not just the manager that you look at. The weather was awful in the second half and we had to play directly into a strong wind. There are several new faces and it will take time for them to gell. Evans missed a sitter which didn't help the cause. On the balance of play though, the better side won. This was a poor performance and is one of several poor performances. I am not sure why there is so much optimism for PT to bring success because he will still have a low budget and will still have some of the contracted players here next year whether he wants them or not. Time will tell but if these games are PT showcasing his abilities then I would be quite happy to wait for the summer to see who else might be available.

Apologies for the delay, firstly 1) I never said i was satisfied with the performance or indeed the result yesterday, obviously im not going to be doing backflips if we lose, just think the people who are being negative about Taylor at this stage of his appointment and casting any kind of doubt or negativity over his appointment are the kind of people who will only be interested if we win every game! It simply will not happen, and lets face it, 4 wins in 8 games under McCall would have been in my and many other supporters opinions, an excellent return as his managment skills were sadly so inept! 2) Your second question, mid way through next season, will have allowed PT to assess, release those not worthy, build his own squad, coach them how he wants to and allow them time to gel! Simples! 3) The defence... Well hes dropped Rehman for starters... brought in cover, and Oliver's mistake aside, we have looked more solid and organised in defence, thats plain to see, and he's had some sort of effect on Clarkey, as he apparently look more assured! That has to be seen as an imrovement! 4) More effective, he's brought in loan signings and the results in comparison have improved. Threlfall for one, two cracking free kicks, Bolder creating chances and ball winning, its an improvement! 5)Its a huge improvement in the way of team organisation and the results against the better teams! I take on board what you have said re the result had McCall been in charge, i just think its far too early to encourage people to withold putting stock and faith into PT after only 8 games, this is not him showing his abilities, it's him working with someone elses squad and a few emergency loans! I'm not too sure he'll have as poor a budget as you might expect next season, perhaps if the board feel they have the right man for the job and they can agree on meeting PT's budget, we may see some suprising faces in the squad for next season. I think the optimism stems from his past achievments at this level... that cant be argued with.. and re the ugly football notion being banded about... who cares if we win the majority of games and get out of this league!

"I never said i was satisfied with the performance or indeed the result yesterday, obviously im not going to be doing backflips if we lose, just think the people who are being negative about Taylor at this stage of his appointment and casting any kind of doubt or negativity over his appointment are the kind of people who will only be interested if we win every game! " I care how we play and no it's not just the winning that matters. It's just as important to me that we play well as a team as well as win, lose or draw. Satisfied with performance? You weren't even there to see how we played!! Negativity was absolutely due after yesterday's game - get over it. It certainly added more of a case for Lawn to be cagey about signing PT up longer term - if indeed he hasn't already decided. PT cannot afford for the team to be 'lacklustre' as per this game or any other game where he is allowed to dabble freely with players and formations. All supporters of PT should be genuinely worried about him staying on unless he really starts getting more positive results (as previously predicted?) and definitely better looking football to keep ticket sales at a minimum level.

Ok, you've obviously got your mind made up and eveyone is entitled to an opinion. I too care about how we play, of course we want to see exciting flowing football, I just feel i'd still rather see us get scrappy 1-0 wins in the majority of games where we struggle, throughout the season and see the team push on, than play like Brazil week in week out and still be in this league in 2/3 seasons time! And yes fine, you are also well within your rights as a travelling supporter to be negative, just can't see the point being negative about a team or manager, who are cobbled together, or where the manager has been in charge for a short while, with an inherited squad, many of whom he would never have brought in, and will not be here next season! Judge him when he's had a go his way. Cagey?! Ok... but his credentials and past achievments at this level make him a stand out candidtae for the job and taking us forward! Who is better equipped!? Just think we should all look at the bigger picture!

tyker wrote:
a nothing game for both teams;let's face up to it Taylor has inherited a team totally inadequate and he has started the process required to change things around. and results and performances like this will crop occur as he seeks to change things. remember all:we have had near enough 10 years of decline and it is foing to take more than 8 games is it to arrest this slump. taylor will get it sorted and, as he syas elsewhere, it is all up for grabs now for players coming to the end of their contracts at City. They have to prove they are worth keeping otherwise they move on:It really is that simple as that and there will be no sympathy from Taylor for anyone. So come on lads:we have an excellent proven manager, give him a bit of slack as the remainder of this season is being used to create something for next season.

Tyker... spot on! Someone else whos looking at the bigger picture!

KnightMcCall wrote:

Bricktop wrote:

keefluarr wrote: Entertaining? Sheesh - Parker must be easily pleased. It probably wasnt the worst performance this season, but as a spectacle is was awful. First goal looked to me like a Glennon error and their second was just a well taken finish after a lob over the top that the 8ft Oliver missed completely. The side looked disorganised, without a clue who they were supposed to be passing to. Taylor played so many formations I couldnt honestly say what they were trying to play - they seemed to try all of 'em. They also didn't look up for it and I don't accept that prepping for Notts County is an excuse - we've got nothing to play for this season anyway - so many new players being tried out for next season's big push is an indicator of this. Most of our performers had shockers especially Flynn and Threlfall, both losing possession regularly throughout the game and Evans missed a real sitter. I've seen the BBC stats of the game which also don't seem to ring true. We don't seem to be able to create good numbers of chances at the moment. Hereford's keeper made two very good saves in the first twenty minutes when we looked liveliest, but from us that was pretty much it. None of our subs improved the game and in full agreement with others we played a very poor team who almost looked surprised that we were so poor. Of all Taylors loan signings I couldn't really say I rated any of them from this performance and clearly they will not all be staying (McCammon will go and the ineffectual Grant just made Bateson look very exposed). From this game, you could easily understand people wondering what Taylor is bringing to the party when we can't put away such a poor side. If I was Lawn, I'd have been mightily concerned about the prospect of extending Taylor's contract. If we consistently play dreary football and there's a 50/50 chance of us winning, then the fans will just likely stay at home and hope for the win. Hope we don't get murdered by Notts County on Tuesday.

Some people will never be totally satisfied unless we win every single game will they!?!? 'If I was Lawn, I'd have been mightily concerned about the prospect of extending Taylor's contract.' Come on then Einstein, who would you have with as much experience and obvious talent at this level to take control!? 8 matches or so into his reign, with a team he never built, only allowed a few loans, which have been on a whole effective so far compared to the players in McCalls squad, produce 4 wins, and you're bloody well moaning already! He's had the balls to get rid o' the dead wood which desperately needed doing, has started putting the feelers out for young talent for next season, and has already largely tightened up the defence which was leaking goals! He cannot be judged until half way into next season at least and certainly on what we've seen so far, its a huge improvement! But don't worry Keef, maybe Sir Alex will be up for the challenge, and move to manningham in the summer! Div!

A few questions bricktop. 1. What was there to be satisfied about yesterdays performance? 2. Why is the middle of next season an appropriate point to "judge" PT? 3. How exactly has the defence been tightened up? 4. How have the players that have been brought in been "on the whole more effective"? 5. Where is your evidence that there has been a "huge improvement" since PT arrived? All of those that decided that SM wasn't good enough but that PT is are desperate to be proven right. From what I have seen, there has been no discernible improvement in performance levels since McCall left. SM would have been slaughtered by his detractors for yesterday's performance because it was very poor. Take away the Rochdale game and we have seen some utter dross. However, there are extenuating circumstances and it is not just the manager that you look at. The weather was awful in the second half and we had to play directly into a strong wind. There are several new faces and it will take time for them to gell. Evans missed a sitter which didn't help the cause. On the balance of play though, the better side won. This was a poor performance and is one of several poor performances. I am not sure why there is so much optimism for PT to bring success because he will still have a low budget and will still have some of the contracted players here next year whether he wants them or not. Time will tell but if these games are PT showcasing his abilities then I would be quite happy to wait for the summer to see who else might be available.

"All of those that decided that SM wasn't good enough but that PT is, are desperate to be proven right".

I think you may be right, (who isn't desperate for Taylor to work?). However, I would also question if those that were defending McCall right up until his departure, may also be desperate for Taylor to fail, so they can say "I told you it wasn't just down to the manager etc".

This may explain why we have fools on here like 'Keefluaar' that have already started to attack a manager with a 50% win record, in just 2 months at the club. His write up was probably fair, in that the team failed to gel, looked (sounded) disorganised and certain players simply did themselves justice. However, to use that as an excuse to attack Taylor is pathetic. If he wants to see pretty football week-after-week, I suggest he goes to watch Arsenal or Man Utd.

You asked 'Bricktop' a series of questions. He has already answered them, but I would like to answer them to;
1. What was there to be satisfied about yesterdays performance? Has anyone said they were 'satisfied' with yesterday's performance?
2. Why is the middle of next season an appropriate point to "judge" PT? Personally, I don't think the 'middle of next season' is long enough to judge Taylor. I would say by the end of January 2012 (i.e. 1.5 seasons down the line) would give some indication of how we are progressing.
3. How exactly has the defence been tightened up? You, as much as anyone, criticised Rehman and one of the first things Taylor did was drop him. He also replaced O'Brien with Threlfall and brought Oliver into the club. The defence has tightened up and with it the amount of goals conceded. Bearing in mind, most of Taylor's games have been away against decent sides, we haven't conceded many. Did you expect us to concede more than one against Rochdale and Rotherham? I did.
4. How have the players that have been brought in been "on the whole more effective"? Threlfall has been more effective in his role than o'Brien was. Boulder has been more effective than o'Leary. Oliver has been more effective than Rehman. The only signings I am not convinced of (yet) are McCammon and Grant (who Taylor admitted was a signing 'with next season in mind'.
5. Where is your evidence that there has been a "huge improvement" since PT arrived? For starters, we look better defensively, massively improved at set-pieces (in general), both attacking and defending and have picked up 12 points from Taylor's 8 games with a 50% win record. Didn't McCall once say that he would rather win-one-lose-one than go 6 games unbeaten and only pick up 6 points?
Peter Taylor has only been in charge for 2 months and we have some 'fans' questioning his ability (despite a proven CV), even though they clung to the hope that McCall would take us forward. Personally, I believe it is a case of them hoping for Taylor to fail so they can defend McCall.....AGAIN!

Waynus, you pose the following question: 'However, I would also question if those that were defending McCall right up until his departure, may also be desperate for Taylor to fail, so they can say "I told you it wasn't just down to the manager etc".
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Well I think you are aware that I was one who defended McCall against many of his 'attackers' -'up until his departure'. And it is strange that people posting on here ARE NOW talking about 'looking at the big picture' when supporting PT, when that was exactly what most -if not al-l of McCalls defenders were basing THEIR defence on! Anyway, I for one support PT and will defend but question his decisions -as I did McCall- because that's what most supporters do or should be allowed to do IMO. However, those that do so on a comments board like this should be prepared to be challenged and not turn into paranoid 'I am being bullied' victims when they are challenged! So I am proof, evidence, fact, statistic, however anyone wants to term it, that McCall defenders ARE also Taylor supporters and that is usually because IMO we look at the 'big picture' the vast majority of the time and not just when it suits a specific point of view (TYKER). If PT got the budget for next year that McCall got for this year I don't think he could have achieved a great deal more as regards promotion ambititons -bad luck and bad refereeing decisions being equal that is!. But who knows?, it's easy for me to say and impossible to prove one way or the other!. Maybe we have just had 10 years of very poor Managers?

lonniejockstrap wrote:
Waynus, you pose the following question: 'However, I would also question if those that were defending McCall right up until his departure, may also be desperate for Taylor to fail, so they can say "I told you it wasn't just down to the manager etc". - Well I think you are aware that I was one who defended McCall against many of his 'attackers' -'up until his departure'. And it is strange that people posting on here ARE NOW talking about 'looking at the big picture' when supporting PT, when that was exactly what most -if not al-l of McCalls defenders were basing THEIR defence on! Anyway, I for one support PT and will defend but question his decisions -as I did McCall- because that's what most supporters do or should be allowed to do IMO. However, those that do so on a comments board like this should be prepared to be challenged and not turn into paranoid 'I am being bullied' victims when they are challenged! So I am proof, evidence, fact, statistic, however anyone wants to term it, that McCall defenders ARE also Taylor supporters and that is usually because IMO we look at the 'big picture' the vast majority of the time and not just when it suits a specific point of view (TYKER). If PT got the budget for next year that McCall got for this year I don't think he could have achieved a great deal more as regards promotion ambititons -bad luck and bad refereeing decisions being equal that is!. But who knows?, it's easy for me to say and impossible to prove one way or the other!. Maybe we have just had 10 years of very poor Managers?

Lonnie, we have often agreed in the past but it appears to me that you are the only person who actually understands where I am coming from. I was and am a fan of Mccall; I do not agree that sacking him (or him leaving) was necessary but having done so I am now desperately hoping that PT can bring better fortunes. I have said before that given the choice of the proven PT or the inexperienced SM as manager then I would choose PT. However, I do not believe that SM deserved half of the abuse he received because of poor results and those that desperately wanted him out do seem very keen to defend PT with exactly the same arguments that you and I used to defend McCall.

Waynus71 wrote:

KnightMcCall wrote:

Bricktop wrote:

keefluarr wrote: Entertaining? Sheesh - Parker must be easily pleased. It probably wasnt the worst performance this season, but as a spectacle is was awful. First goal looked to me like a Glennon error and their second was just a well taken finish after a lob over the top that the 8ft Oliver missed completely. The side looked disorganised, without a clue who they were supposed to be passing to. Taylor played so many formations I couldnt honestly say what they were trying to play - they seemed to try all of 'em. They also didn't look up for it and I don't accept that prepping for Notts County is an excuse - we've got nothing to play for this season anyway - so many new players being tried out for next season's big push is an indicator of this. Most of our performers had shockers especially Flynn and Threlfall, both losing possession regularly throughout the game and Evans missed a real sitter. I've seen the BBC stats of the game which also don't seem to ring true. We don't seem to be able to create good numbers of chances at the moment. Hereford's keeper made two very good saves in the first twenty minutes when we looked liveliest, but from us that was pretty much it. None of our subs improved the game and in full agreement with others we played a very poor team who almost looked surprised that we were so poor. Of all Taylors loan signings I couldn't really say I rated any of them from this performance and clearly they will not all be staying (McCammon will go and the ineffectual Grant just made Bateson look very exposed). From this game, you could easily understand people wondering what Taylor is bringing to the party when we can't put away such a poor side. If I was Lawn, I'd have been mightily concerned about the prospect of extending Taylor's contract. If we consistently play dreary football and there's a 50/50 chance of us winning, then the fans will just likely stay at home and hope for the win. Hope we don't get murdered by Notts County on Tuesday.

Some people will never be totally satisfied unless we win every single game will they!?!? 'If I was Lawn, I'd have been mightily concerned about the prospect of extending Taylor's contract.' Come on then Einstein, who would you have with as much experience and obvious talent at this level to take control!? 8 matches or so into his reign, with a team he never built, only allowed a few loans, which have been on a whole effective so far compared to the players in McCalls squad, produce 4 wins, and you're bloody well moaning already! He's had the balls to get rid o' the dead wood which desperately needed doing, has started putting the feelers out for young talent for next season, and has already largely tightened up the defence which was leaking goals! He cannot be judged until half way into next season at least and certainly on what we've seen so far, its a huge improvement! But don't worry Keef, maybe Sir Alex will be up for the challenge, and move to manningham in the summer! Div!

A few questions bricktop. 1. What was there to be satisfied about yesterdays performance? 2. Why is the middle of next season an appropriate point to "judge" PT? 3. How exactly has the defence been tightened up? 4. How have the players that have been brought in been "on the whole more effective"? 5. Where is your evidence that there has been a "huge improvement" since PT arrived? All of those that decided that SM wasn't good enough but that PT is are desperate to be proven right. From what I have seen, there has been no discernible improvement in performance levels since McCall left. SM would have been slaughtered by his detractors for yesterday's performance because it was very poor. Take away the Rochdale game and we have seen some utter dross. However, there are extenuating circumstances and it is not just the manager that you look at. The weather was awful in the second half and we had to play directly into a strong wind. There are several new faces and it will take time for them to gell. Evans missed a sitter which didn't help the cause. On the balance of play though, the better side won. This was a poor performance and is one of several poor performances. I am not sure why there is so much optimism for PT to bring success because he will still have a low budget and will still have some of the contracted players here next year whether he wants them or not. Time will tell but if these games are PT showcasing his abilities then I would be quite happy to wait for the summer to see who else might be available.

"All of those that decided that SM wasn't good enough but that PT is, are desperate to be proven right". I think you may be right, (who isn't desperate for Taylor to work?). However, I would also question if those that were defending McCall right up until his departure, may also be desperate for Taylor to fail, so they can say "I told you it wasn't just down to the manager etc". This may explain why we have fools on here like 'Keefluaar' that have already started to attack a manager with a 50% win record, in just 2 months at the club. His write up was probably fair, in that the team failed to gel, looked (sounded) disorganised and certain players simply did themselves justice. However, to use that as an excuse to attack Taylor is pathetic. If he wants to see pretty football week-after-week, I suggest he goes to watch Arsenal or Man Utd. You asked 'Bricktop' a series of questions. He has already answered them, but I would like to answer them to; 1. What was there to be satisfied about yesterdays performance? Has anyone said they were 'satisfied' with yesterday's performance? 2. Why is the middle of next season an appropriate point to "judge" PT? Personally, I don't think the 'middle of next season' is long enough to judge Taylor. I would say by the end of January 2012 (i.e. 1.5 seasons down the line) would give some indication of how we are progressing. 3. How exactly has the defence been tightened up? You, as much as anyone, criticised Rehman and one of the first things Taylor did was drop him. He also replaced O'Brien with Threlfall and brought Oliver into the club. The defence has tightened up and with it the amount of goals conceded. Bearing in mind, most of Taylor's games have been away against decent sides, we haven't conceded many. Did you expect us to concede more than one against Rochdale and Rotherham? I did. 4. How have the players that have been brought in been "on the whole more effective"? Threlfall has been more effective in his role than o'Brien was. Boulder has been more effective than o'Leary. Oliver has been more effective than Rehman. The only signings I am not convinced of (yet) are McCammon and Grant (who Taylor admitted was a signing 'with next season in mind'. 5. Where is your evidence that there has been a "huge improvement" since PT arrived? For starters, we look better defensively, massively improved at set-pieces (in general), both attacking and defending and have picked up 12 points from Taylor's 8 games with a 50% win record. Didn't McCall once say that he would rather win-one-lose-one than go 6 games unbeaten and only pick up 6 points? Peter Taylor has only been in charge for 2 months and we have some 'fans' questioning his ability (despite a proven CV), even though they clung to the hope that McCall would take us forward. Personally, I believe it is a case of them hoping for Taylor to fail so they can defend McCall.....AGAIN!

1. Yes, Bricktop seemed relatively happy with the performance
2. I agree 100% that the middle of next season is too short a time-span to judge a manager. Not sure that one and half seasons is enough either (which is one of the fundamental differences between you and I). However, you and many others are already judging him as you seem quite content that he is the right man for the job.
3/4 You are mixing me up with someone on Rehman; I've always liked him. Anyway, the point is that we are still conceding soft goals and we have been fortunate not to concede more. Not sure that Acc, Aldershot, Port Vale, Hereford, Darlo class as decent sides either. I can't see any evidence that the defence is any better and Threlfall had a shocker on Saturday and Oliver made a simple error for their second. Not sure how you can say the Oliver has been more effective than Rehman; two games and one goal-conceding error (sounds very much like we've had all season).

As for Bolder being more effective than O'Leary; how do you know, O'Leary has played once for PT and Bolder three times? I am also not convinced by McCammon and have only seen Grant for about 80 minutes of football so can't really judge.

5. Taylor's nine games have yielded 12 points. McCall's last ten league games yielded 10 points. A set-piece was our downfall on Saturday and with several corners we created one chance so a bit of over-statement in the "massively improved". Whilst we have conceded a few goals less than we were doing, we have also scored less than we were doing and let's face it; but for shocking refereeing in 3 of SM's last games at VP, there wouldn't be any improvement on the goals conceded anyway.

I will continue to defend McCall but it will also be the likes of me and Lonnie defending PT when everyone else has decided that he has had his time....

lonniejockstrap wrote:
Waynus, you pose the following question: 'However, I would also question if those that were defending McCall right up until his departure, may also be desperate for Taylor to fail, so they can say "I told you it wasn't just down to the manager etc". - Well I think you are aware that I was one who defended McCall against many of his 'attackers' -'up until his departure'. And it is strange that people posting on here ARE NOW talking about 'looking at the big picture' when supporting PT, when that was exactly what most -if not al-l of McCalls defenders were basing THEIR defence on! Anyway, I for one support PT and will defend but question his decisions -as I did McCall- because that's what most supporters do or should be allowed to do IMO. However, those that do so on a comments board like this should be prepared to be challenged and not turn into paranoid 'I am being bullied' victims when they are challenged! So I am proof, evidence, fact, statistic, however anyone wants to term it, that McCall defenders ARE also Taylor supporters and that is usually because IMO we look at the 'big picture' the vast majority of the time and not just when it suits a specific point of view (TYKER). If PT got the budget for next year that McCall got for this year I don't think he could have achieved a great deal more as regards promotion ambititons -bad luck and bad refereeing decisions being equal that is!. But who knows?, it's easy for me to say and impossible to prove one way or the other!. Maybe we have just had 10 years of very poor Managers?

good post lonnie. I too was a Stu supporter when i thought he was doing things correct and criticised when otherwise. however i will also support Taylor on the same basis. To do has waynus suggests is playground stuff and not very 'fan' like behaviour. We won't know if Taylor would have done better with Stu's budget just has we won't know if Stu would have improved results had he been able to tinker with the squad and add loans like Taylor has.

Knight McCall, i didn't say i was pleased with saturdays result, for the final time, i just think at this nothing stage of the season with nothing to play for other than plan for next season, I cannot see the point of trying to put a neagtive spin on the new manager who is tinkering and saying it was a disapponting result and starting to question if he's the right man! I wonder, is this just a case of you worshiped Stuart so much that you simply cannot or refuse to see the obvious gulf in managerial skills between PT and SM (Proven track record at other clubs before you ask for proof?!) Maybe its not as obvious to you at this stage, but give it some time, i'm sure it will become even more apparent so even then the die hard Stuart fans will see! A legend he will always be, but your seemingly blinkered support of McCall in his position as manager astounds me. A great guy and a great footballer yes, but we were going nowhere with him at the helm! You don't think that if the new manager had the huge budget (for this division) McCall had last season, he would have faired any better?! I put this to you, hypothetically, if both SM and PT had the same warchest at the same time, and we could see who built the best squad, and who would finish higher, i know who i'd put my house on!

Bricktop wrote:
Knight McCall, i didn't say i was pleased with saturdays result, for the final time, i just think at this nothing stage of the season with nothing to play for other than plan for next season, I cannot see the point of trying to put a neagtive spin on the new manager who is tinkering and saying it was a disapponting result and starting to question if he's the right man! I wonder, is this just a case of you worshiped Stuart so much that you simply cannot or refuse to see the obvious gulf in managerial skills between PT and SM (Proven track record at other clubs before you ask for proof?!) Maybe its not as obvious to you at this stage, but give it some time, i'm sure it will become even more apparent so even then the die hard Stuart fans will see! A legend he will always be, but your seemingly blinkered support of McCall in his position as manager astounds me. A great guy and a great footballer yes, but we were going nowhere with him at the helm! You don't think that if the new manager had the huge budget (for this division) McCall had last season, he would have faired any better?! I put this to you, hypothetically, if both SM and PT had the same warchest at the same time, and we could see who built the best squad, and who would finish higher, i know who i'd put my house on!

I've already answered your query; twice as I would choose PT. However, there is no "obvious gulf in managerial skills" between the two because I do not have the requisite information to base a judgement on. You can probably accept this though; PT has been sacked more times than McCall so why is this?

You completely miss my point which is that the manager is one cog in a big wheel. my "criticism" (your word not mine) of PT is merely designed to highlight how difficult the job is and how easy it is to pick fault with a football manager; which so many seemed to enjoy doing with SM without really having a clue about whether he was a good manager or a bad manager.

People talk of proof; well it is virtually impossible to prove the quality of a football manager and in the end it is mainly about opinions. Many allude to PT having an excellent track record but we should all know by now that it means nothing. John Docherty had a good track-record, Lennie Lawrence had a good track-record and Jim Jeffries had a good track record - none of these "succeeded" at City whereas Jewell and Kamara had NO track record and both delivered promotion. Go figure...

There are two important things that PT requires in order to build SUSTAINABLE progress down at VP. 1) SUSTAINABLE budget 2) Time to do the job HIS way. He has already got the experience etc. So, if the budget is increased as a one-off in the hope we get promoted but is then slashed the year after if we don't, where does that leave Taylor? I can understand the idea and the ambition behind the 'push the boat out' and I don't criticise it per se. It's just how big that risk IS, how it is managed and how it is communicated to the supporters (many of whom will want the head of the Manager if it doesn't come off -the gamble I mean, not his head- and then it's back to interviews and 3 month contracts). Personally, IF, I was going to take a risk with my cash on a promotion attempt I can't think of a much better Manager -with our finances (or lack of?)- than PT in which to trust my investment. But would I invest what I couldn't afford to lose? Nup!!!

lonniejockstrap wrote:
There are two important things that PT requires in order to build SUSTAINABLE progress down at VP. 1) SUSTAINABLE budget 2) Time to do the job HIS way. He has already got the experience etc. So, if the budget is increased as a one-off in the hope we get promoted but is then slashed the year after if we don't, where does that leave Taylor? I can understand the idea and the ambition behind the 'push the boat out' and I don't criticise it per se. It's just how big that risk IS, how it is managed and how it is communicated to the supporters (many of whom will want the head of the Manager if it doesn't come off -the gamble I mean, not his head- and then it's back to interviews and 3 month contracts). Personally, IF, I was going to take a risk with my cash on a promotion attempt I can't think of a much better Manager -with our finances (or lack of?)- than PT in which to trust my investment. But would I invest what I couldn't afford to lose? Nup!!!

Careful Lonnie; well-considered and thoughtful opinions are not really welcome on these Boards....

KnightMcCall wrote:

lonniejockstrap wrote:
There are two important things that PT requires in order to build SUSTAINABLE progress down at VP. 1) SUSTAINABLE budget 2) Time to do the job HIS way. He has already got the experience etc. So, if the budget is increased as a one-off in the hope we get promoted but is then slashed the year after if we don't, where does that leave Taylor? I can understand the idea and the ambition behind the 'push the boat out' and I don't criticise it per se. It's just how big that risk IS, how it is managed and how it is communicated to the supporters (many of whom will want the head of the Manager if it doesn't come off -the gamble I mean, not his head- and then it's back to interviews and 3 month contracts). Personally, IF, I was going to take a risk with my cash on a promotion attempt I can't think of a much better Manager -with our finances (or lack of?)- than PT in which to trust my investment. But would I invest what I couldn't afford to lose? Nup!!!

Careful Lonnie; well-considered and thoughtful opinions are not really welcome on these Boards....

The thing I just don't get is that, last February, some City fans started questioning McCall's managerial credentials. Whether you agreed with those supporters or not, they weren't allowed to post their opinions without being attacked (by some) for;
"not giving the manager time"
" for giving an opinion on a football matter, despite their lack of knowledge in this field"
"always waiting to have a pop at McCall".

The point I have made is that those same supporters are the first to 'question' the decisions/credential
s of Taylor. Why was it wrong to challenge McCall, but perfectly acceptable to question Taylor after just 1 month in charge?

You keep banging on about Taylor only collecting 12 points from 9 games. Until tonight, he had only been in charge 8 times and we had won 50% of those games, with an average of 1.5 points per game. When McCall left, we had 33 points from 27 games (average of 1.22 points pergame). Over a season, that stat is likely to yield an extra 13pts and possibly enough to secure a play-off place).

Why does that stat deserve comments such as; "If I was Lawn, I'd have been mightily concerned about the prospect of extending Taylor's contract" and "It certainly added more of a case for Lawn to be cagey about signing PT up longer term - if indeed he hasn't already decided"?

If you want to have 'well considered and thoughtful opinions', you have to make sure that goes both ways. You can't attack those that have a different view to yours and then throw a wobbly when someone does it back to you (not aiming this at you).

The fact is, we have been inconsistent all season, in fact for the majority of the last 3 seasons. Why? Personally, I believe it is down to the quality of the players here. They can be really good, but the following game, poor. A coach can improve in this area, but may not eradicate it all together. We were 16th when McCall admitted he wasn't good enough (and he did say that, in a number of interviews since he departed the club). Why were we 16th? Because the squad simply isn't good enough.

Taylor has released some players that were tying up a large chunk of the wage bill and has brought in some loanees. Some have done really well (Bolder and Threlfall), one okay (oliver) and the others are yet to prove their worth.

I will leave this with you. Under McCall, this season, we managed to win just 3 home games from 14 played. Taylor has won 2 (and drawn the other) from his 3 games. In the games against the supposedly "big sides", Rochdale, Rotherham and Notts County, we lost all three under McCall, scoring just twice and conceding 12 goals. In the return fixtures (under Taylor), we have collected 7 points, scoring 5 goals and conceding just 2. Are you seriously saying there has been NO improvement???

And okay, we are inconsistent, but I will wait until Taylor has worked with HIS squad for more than ONE MONTH before slating him as some have already started to do!