Full time: Warrington 33 Bulls 8 (From Bradford Telegraph and Argus)

well since worrincy came on its gone t*ts up how sh*t is he?

Smashed again.

SACK WORRINCEY, he is useless, not even championship standard, HE LOST US THE GAME. GET HIM OUT OF THIS CLUB

worrIancy undid of the great work by his poor tackling and without doubt should be dropped. Maca should have also taken him off earlier as well so him should take some of the blame.

How long are we supposed to put up with Worrincey's contribution? A complete waste of skin! Halley bless, ain't no fullback though he's not to blame to night. Yes we missed Langley but some positive fine tuning is needed. Ox had a poor game and goal kicking looks like it may be a problem this year. Good first half - just need to put a first and second together- next week, fingers crossed!

Funny sort of game really. Its interesting that what I've been saying for weeks has actually come true again. Firstly as people have already said, Worrincey. What the heck was he doing? Bulls were defensively very strong up to the point he came on and he looked shattered after 5 minutes of playing???!!! I have never in all my days of watching rugby league seen such lazy tackling from a Bulls player. On his own he cost us 16 points. Defensively strong up to that point. Why did Macca leave him on exactly? Who knows but he did. There must be someone, anyone, who can at least put in the effort if not the skills for goodness sake. My other moaning point is going to be Orford yet again. I rate Orford highly as a player. I think he has the potential to be one of the best half backs the Bulls have ever had. When he plays well, the team plays well and we win. Look at the games we have won, Wigan (motm in that when he played well second half), Cas (motm then too) and Salford, not a cracking game but he played well enough that day. Today can anyone actually say he did anything half decent? I certainly can't. Not that he on his own is to blame but when he plays well the team plays well and he was totally off the ball today. Didn't really see him so lo! We lost. Hmmm maybe I'm looking a bit too much onto him I don't know. Without Langley the team did seem to be a bit lost but when he doesn't play I don't think we're going to play well at all. I do rate Orford as a player by the way before anyone has a go but today he was off the ball and thats what happens when he is

They are a poor outfit all round,never mind the odsal village just fold the club and build a mosque some of the so called players are not fit to wear those lovely shirts strange game and some very strange fans.

2 good games from 6. Looking good Orford.

The Bulls tackling was incredible during the first half tonight. They gave it absolutely everything. Nonetheless, I have never been a big Langley fan, but last week he was man mountain and they really missed his solid atack and defence tonight as the game wore on. He is Mr. Super Fit Athlete. Also, the goalkicking from Sykes and Orford let them down badly as did the breaks that should have come to something. However, what to me was glaringly obvious yet again was that Worrincy (three missed tackes = three tries to opposition), Sherriffe (dropped ball, often out of position, loves to go sideways like a crab and does not know when to come inside) and Kopjak are NOT GOOD ENOUGH. They would not get a game for St. Helens, Wigan and co. How on earth can Steve McNamara not see that?

we did great in the first half we stopped many potential tries, we could have come back and won until the mighty fool WORRINCEY comes on...........he undid all our hard work, he misses tackle after tackle and looks unfit, uninterested, and over weight, does he actually give a sh~&t? it doesnt look that way. i wish we could offload him to rochdale hornets on loan, but they probably wouldnt even want him

d-luded wrote:
They are a poor outfit all round,never mind the odsal village just fold the club and build a mosque some of the so called players are not fit to wear those lovely shirts strange game and some very strange fans.

Don't you have a Bridge to get under? (quick)

Well!!! What can we say?..Bulls were up against it from the off. Langley taken ill was a disaster, then there was the lack of a goal kicker. Both Sykes and Orford have been decent kickers and whilst they will never be "Deacs" they need some practice. Next the Ref and Linesmen need to be reported. Both Reardon and Sherriffe were tackled in the air within feet of the officials and neither was spotted, keeping the Bulls defence under incessant pressure. It's really not good enough.
As for the game, Bulls came up against a VERY good side today and matched them for a large part, but as has been said. Macca sees something in Worrincy that no one else does and perhaps its those little decisions that set him apart from the really good coaches. First King walked straight through his feeble tackle and within a minute or so Monaghan was doing the same. What a disaster for the lads who had put their bodies on the line for so long.

In the end it was too much for weary limbs and the rest history.

I'm afraid we have to question Maccas decision to put Worr'y on ahead of Donaldson and if anyone was in doubt about the need for at least a couple of quality backs they shouldn't be after that. The limitations are there against the best but the spirit and effort can not be questioned and on that form it can still be an interesting season.

Beat Hull next week and against three of the best in S/L, 2 out of 3 ain't bad.

Worrincy missed 3 tackles that cost the Bulls 3 scores, fact! Someone please tell me, and i've seen all but one game, am i missing something from his performances? Why is HE making up the numbers?
Nero! i'm missing that as well!!!

Bullgem, you asked if anyone saw Orford do anything. How about the lovely pass to Sykes for his try or the great bomb which Riley dropped for another try. Leave the knocking of Ox to SMFTS wh is longing for him to have a bad season and will call every wrong move he makes.
As for those who watch and don't see, credit should go to Tony Smith for the way he had his players mark Ox out of the game. Its already becoming "stop Ox beat the Bulls" and plenty will be trying to do just that. Ox also took a heavy knock early second half.

I find it dificult to recall a game where one player was so poor that it affected the result so much as tonights game.
Worrincy, is probably an all right guy but his performance tonight was so damaging to the Bulls momentum that he should not, imo, pull the bradford shirt on again.
He undid so much great work done by his team mates and he should be released by the club tonight!
His whole demeanour and lack of effort is not good enough for a squad who are definitely strong enough to make the top 4 without him.
We all know that Ganson is a loose cannon and probably suffers from some syndrome or other but I hope he recorded Mr Childs efforts last night on Sky at Batley ~ he could learn a lot from his performance.
We are looking better week to week and will be tough opposition come the play-offs.
The Bulls will come charging in ~ trust me ~ COYB's

haitch wrote:
Bullgem, you asked if anyone saw Orford do anything. How about the lovely pass to Sykes for his try or the great bomb which Riley dropped for another try. Leave the knocking of Ox to SMFTS wh is longing for him to have a bad season and will call every wrong move he makes. As for those who watch and don't see, credit should go to Tony Smith for the way he had his players mark Ox out of the game. Its already becoming "stop Ox beat the Bulls" and plenty will be trying to do just that. Ox also took a heavy knock early second half.

haitch, no need to compensate for SMFTS, Ox had a poor one, fact. Please call it the way it is. ALL class players are marked men are they not?

Worrincy and Sheriffe.... Oh dear, someone please send them back to London!

Oh that's right, I want Ox to have a bad season so Bulls have a bad season.

Get real, haitchster.

haitch wrote:
Well!!! What can we say?..Bulls were up against it from the off. Langley taken ill was a disaster, then there was the lack of a goal kicker. Both Sykes and Orford have been decent kickers and whilst they will never be "Deacs" they need some practice. Next the Ref and Linesmen need to be reported. Both Reardon and Sherriffe were tackled in the air within feet of the officials and neither was spotted, keeping the Bulls defence under incessant pressure. It's really not good enough. As for the game, Bulls came up against a VERY good side today and matched them for a large part, but as has been said. Macca sees something in Worrincy that no one else does and perhaps its those little decisions that set him apart from the really good coaches. First King walked straight through his feeble tackle and within a minute or so Monaghan was doing the same. What a disaster for the lads who had put their bodies on the line for so long. In the end it was too much for weary limbs and the rest history. I'm afraid we have to question Maccas decision to put Worr'y on ahead of Donaldson and if anyone was in doubt about the need for at least a couple of quality backs they shouldn't be after that. The limitations are there against the best but the spirit and effort can not be questioned and on that form it can still be an interesting season. Beat Hull next week and against three of the best in S/L, 2 out of 3 ain't bad.

Those are first class comments on the game, were you ever a reporter Haitch, and I agree we are in for an interesting and exciting season.
Do you think that 2010 has got the potential to be the most competitive & exciting season yet since SuperLeague started with 4 or 5 clubs, at this stage, who could top the division

Haitch - I have a lot of respect for you. I've seen your comments over the years and have always appreciated and respected your comments so I expect the same. I have my opinion and I'm going to express it. I do like Orford as a player and think he has the potential to be a very strong, very good player, fact. He, amongst others, had a poor game, fact. When he plays well, the team plays well as they play around him, look at the other results, that is too a fact. Like you said he put in a good kick which led to a mistake and he gave the pass for the Sykes try. Good results off the back of good play but thats probably your lot. If he could have done more of that through the game then maybe, just maybe, we could have won or at least called it a bit closer. I do rate Orford highly as I have said on all my other posts and having been a Bulls supporter for many years I personally will not knock all his mistakes but I know that when he plays well, everyone plays well as it is for most teams when their half backs are on the ball. Worrincy on his own gave away 16 points at the very least, very poor management on Steve Macs side to leave him on and frankly if there is someone in the ranks who can wear their heart on their shirt then they must be better than couldn't-care-less Worrincy. Personally I would like to see the Burgess twins given a shot, especially George, but who am I indeed to say anything?

Worrincy is the problem full stop. A goalkicker would come in pretty useful too. Are you listening macca?

BullGem29 wrote:
Haitch - I have a lot of respect for you. I've seen your comments over the years and have always appreciated and respected your comments so I expect the same. I have my opinion and I'm going to express it. I do like Orford as a player and think he has the potential to be a very strong, very good player, fact. He, amongst others, had a poor game, fact. When he plays well, the team plays well as they play around him, look at the other results, that is too a fact. Like you said he put in a good kick which led to a mistake and he gave the pass for the Sykes try. Good results off the back of good play but thats probably your lot. If he could have done more of that through the game then maybe, just maybe, we could have won or at least called it a bit closer. I do rate Orford highly as I have said on all my other posts and having been a Bulls supporter for many years I personally will not knock all his mistakes but I know that when he plays well, everyone plays well as it is for most teams when their half backs are on the ball. Worrincy on his own gave away 16 points at the very least, very poor management on Steve Macs side to leave him on and frankly if there is someone in the ranks who can wear their heart on their shirt then they must be better than couldn't-care-less Worrincy. Personally I would like to see the Burgess twins given a shot, especially George, but who am I indeed to say anything?

Sorry Bullgem, didn't mean it to sound as though I was having a go at you. Just trying to answer your question. Your comments are pretty sound in my opnion. There are those on here, You will know who I mean who didn't like it when Macca signed Ox and can't wait for him to slip up. It's not going to happen. He's quality.

Haitch - No offence taken matey I know exactly who you mean. I'll be the first to hold my hands up and say I knew nothing about Ox before he signed for the club (don't really follow NRL and can't watch it anymore, not on tv) but at first all the major hype about him was totally misguided on me to be honest but having watched how he can play I was totally blown away. Most players do have off games, they're only human, but do you not think that when he plays well the team do play well around him? I do value your opinion so I'd like to know what you honestly think of that

Jimmy Lowes did broadcast ahead of the game that they would be out to stifle Orford.Shame we dont have a plan based around that, as every other club under sun will also set out to do just that now that we have demonstrated to them that we have no answere for it.

There is just no cutting edge from the back line, when Kearney made a break he was on his own. Far too much taking the ball stood still. Some of the situations they found themselves in were of their own making (stupid off loads, needless passes to no one and amateurish knock on's). After some solid hard work in the first half it was destroyed in 5 stupid minutes by non existant tackling and poor cover down our RHS. Wire would have been tiring also but they got a sniff of something when tackles weren't coming in like before and their top players stepped up to take advantage which is something we never seem able to do, once they got some points on us the adrenalin kicked in and pushed them further.
Worrincey should wear a gridiron outfit because he seems frightened of hurting himself with a "body on the line" approach e.g. legs or ball and all, grabbing at shirts is no good.
I felt tonight we showed the same frailties we have seen for a long time i.e. no backs, pace and relying on the forwards to win games. We sadly missed Langley the way he is playing this year to put some oomph into the go forward. Thought Menzies had one of his poorer games, but isn't it a poor state of affairs when two of the older players are missed so much?
We need some decent centres and wingers with pace, Could someone get Sherrife to use the sticky spray on his hands and a light on his head to show him the way forward instead of sideways?

Michael Worrincy should be made to walk home after a disgraceful tackling performance. The heroic efforts of the Bull's first half performance were undone almost single handedly by a player who was woeful in the extreme. He drifted about as players walked past him.

Guys, I don't like to knock individual players and I do hope people don't resort to insults towards Worrincy.(or any player) We have all been calling for Macca to leave him out of the team as it is obvious to us that he is struggling to compete in Super League. Today, against a quality side, his lack of ability was cruelly exposed. If anyone is to blame for his showing it's Macca who should never have played him and should have recognised by now that the lad needs at least some time out and one to one training or recognise he is not making the grade and act accordingly. I'm sure Worrincy is as gutted as any that he was not up to it. Lets just hope Macca sees the light though I must say he should have acted long since.

BullGem29 wrote:
Haitch - No offence taken matey I know exactly who you mean. I'll be the first to hold my hands up and say I knew nothing about Ox before he signed for the club (don't really follow NRL and can't watch it anymore, not on tv) but at first all the major hype about him was totally misguided on me to be honest but having watched how he can play I was totally blown away. Most players do have off games, they're only human, but do you not think that when he plays well the team do play well around him? I do value your opinion so I'd like to know what you honestly think of that

Cheers Bullgem. I think "therumbull" has the answer. Teams are going to try to stifle Orford on the grounds that will stop the Bulls playing well. We do indeed need to have a gameplan to counter this as he will be a marked man every game. Give him time though, he is a special player and a great guy to have in the side both on and off the field.

Shame he's only showing it 1 in every 3 games.

I'm not one to usually knock individual players, but for Worrincy I'll make an exception! Can't obviously blame him alone for the loss but ya may as well put a Bulls shirt on a telegraph pole and stick it on the field.
Understatement of the year from Stevo, & I quote "...to be fair, he's not known for his defensive ability...!"

It seems with all sides in SL that a hard game one week means a tired looking side the week after. Leeds, Saints, Hull, Huddersfield and Wakefield have succumbed after heroics in the previous game. Maybe fitness levels are not where they should be and squads do not have the necessary depth of quality any more. As for the Bulls, they beat Wigan when we thought they wouldn't, ground out a win against Salford and thrashed Castleford who were expected to do better. So, it could be a lot worse than 3 from 6 and I'm happy with that at this stage. As for Mr MacNamara's judgement on a player's ability, we need to look no further than Michael Platt. Maybe he needs someone to take the Michael! Next week should be an interesting match up against two sides who underperformed this week and did not have their energy sapped except when walking back to the centre to kick off. Will that theory hold up?

Sheffieldbull wrote:

d-luded wrote: They are a poor outfit all round,never mind the odsal village just fold the club and build a mosque some of the so called players are not fit to wear those lovely shirts strange game and some very strange fans.

Don't you have a Bridge to get under? (quick)

No and if i had i would be dressed like a man,unlike most of you bullies,strange game with some very strange fans.

A tale of 2 halves Im afraid. Great defence 1st half especially considering we were missing our best defender. We looked dangerous in attack too. I thought Kearney and L'Estrange played exceptionally well. Even the first 10 mins of the second half we looked comfortable. But our right hand side suddenly collapsed and it wasnt just Worrincy that missed tackles either, though he was the chief culprit. He looks 2-3 stone too heavy to me.
We did play a very good side last night and had the beating of them for two thirds of the game so there are definite signs of promise. But what we do with our rhs Im not sure as Sheriffe and Worrincy are definately not good enough and teams will target us down that side. Im looking forward to our next game though as Im sure we there is more improvement to come yet especially from the aussies. COYB

well as everybody else seems to have spotted Worrincy was absolutely hopeless, why does Macca keep picking him? we were still in with a shout untill he came on missed 2 tackles which lead to 12 easy points, that aside i thouught we were looking pretty solid, some excellant defence at times, goal kicking is looking like it will be a problem, Orford missed a couple of easy kicks, maybe they should let Sykes take on the goal kicking?
reckon we can do Hull next week just hope that He leaves worrincy back at home re watching the horror show that was his tackling last night!! ..... pass word, move-club wish he would!

Whilst reading the posts i have noticed people slating sherrife, why? He has been really good this year safe under the high ball and strong running the ball out. And as for slating orford for 3 man of the match performances out of six games, idiots! A good defensive performance apart from 3 missed tackles from worricy and our last line of defence halley nowhere to be seen which nobody else on here seems to have mentioned.

I think most people have hit the point fairly well – with one or two exceptions in my view.
Worrancy is clearly out of his depth at this level. He flails his arms and never hits them properly with his body. I am not going to tear into him as he is simply playing as well as he can. He has been offered a contract and gets picked each week. Why is it his fault? Surely it is the fault of the person who signed him and picks him. Wouldn’t you want to play for the Bulls if you were given the chance?
I am a little surprised that Sherriffe got some stick about dropping the ball last night. I can only remember it happening once from a dodgy pass. I am also amazed that our right hand side is described as poor. I think Sykes is tackling everything that moves and he looks sharp in attack. Sherriffe isn’t world class but he is doing OK.
Last night we had our strongest team possible without Langley. This is what we have and we need to accept it. Wire have a millionaire backing them. We can’t match their spending. King is on nearly as much as Orford. Myler and Attkins cost a lot of money last Autumn. Money we don’t have.
The difference last night wasn’t purely about money. It was also about how the two teams play the game. We are still a predominantly forward orientated team that powers through teams and then gives the backs a chance near the line as they can’t score from further out. Teams like Saints, Leeds, Wigan and Warrington buy players who have natural ball handling skills who can also run. They attack from their own half. These clubs and coaches have this philosophy running through their veins. This type of fast open rugby comes natural to them – but they make sure coaches and players are capable of that type of play. They don’t sign plodders.
We worked out guts out last night but a little flair from Wire blew us apart because our lads couldn’t match them. We can do it in short bursts. The second half against Wigan wasn’t open flowing rugby. It was two individual darts from Orford, A 6 metre charge from Hall and a piece of backing up from Kearney. It was brilliant to watch but we didn’t rip them apart with style and flair. We have to graft for every point we get.
Look at each of the coaches that these four teams have. Where did they learn their trade. Look at the type of players that they sign. Not all big names but all have those skills and pace that they need. Super league is 27 games long. We are now well into it. We are clearly not a top 4 team. I have my own opinions on Macca and have said them before. I won’t slag him or Worrancy off but Macca does need to sort one or two players out quickly and get some consistency into our play or we will continue to plod along doing just enough to keep us in the top eight.

Bulls played for long spells without the ball. It was for many reasons. Clever play by Wire, Poor decisions by Bulls i.e.passing in situations where hanging on to the ball was the correct option and also very poor Refereeing. In the first half the Bulls were penned near their own line as a result of two consecutive instances of their wingers being clearly tackled whilst in the air and bundled out of play and I also remember an instance where the ball went to touch off a wire player but wire were given the scrum and Beaver was tackled two on one and the ball clearly ripped out and given as a knock on. There were others. These are NOT excuses but as the incidents all quickly followed each other it meant the bulls were defending back to back sixes (brilliantly I must say) but it did take its toll.

Yes they were limited on attack but that was hardly surprising as they can't attack without the ball.

I take much heart from the fact they played a very good side who had their best game of the season so far and for much of the game were their equal. Against a lesser side I believe Bulls would have been out of sight by H/T. Lets face it, it could have been so different had Scruton not been held up over the line and the three missed kicks had gone over.

I make no apologies to those who relished yesterdays loss and like to gloat over the failings of certain players. This was no bad performance from the Bulls and there are many positives to take from the game. At least they went down looking as though they wanted to win. A huge improvement on the lack of interest shown last season. COYB!!

Schoey100 wrote:
I'm not one to usually knock individual players, but for Worrincy I'll make an exception! Can't obviously blame him alone for the loss but ya may as well put a Bulls shirt on a telegraph pole and stick it on the field.
Understatement of the year from Stevo, & I quote "...to be fair, he's not known for his defensive ability...!"

OK, in fairness, there are plenty of good points. Gameplan was spot on, Dummy Halves ran well, Kearney injected himself well and the outside backs did some excellent work. Nothing Sheriffe could do with Atkins first in the second half and we were in a proper game. 5 sets of 6 on our own line and it was by far some of the best defence I've seen from any side all season. Donaldson & Whitehead proving they are Super League quality all over.
Then the downside, Langley was greatly missed, obviously because he's a tackling machine! Second half gameplan went out the window because we lacked any kind of field position, another case for saying we should be carrying another prop on the bench. Then of course Worrincy. Before the breakaway try from the kickoff, we were in the game...then he let King (a winger) stroll past him (a secondrower!) and away they went. He ran past King twice and missed him completely, he didn't fill in for Monaghan to slide thru the line and the other 16-players in the team must have hung their head in shame at all their hard work coming loose thanks to one very inept "player". As Schoey said, normally, as a team game, it's hard to knock an individual but when the game was in the balance he cost us heavily. Next week at Hull FC, drop Worrincy, bring back Langley and I'd be tempted to have Platt on the bench (bring him on at Centre and shift Nero to the pack). I'll be shocked, amazed, astounded if Worrincy pulls on a Bulls shirt again after that performance. He can run...no doubt about that, but where's the point if all he's going to do is run away from the hardwork a backrower is meant to do?

Prycey wrote:
I think most people have hit the point fairly well – with one or two exceptions in my view.
Worrancy is clearly out of his depth at this level. He flails his arms and never hits them properly with his body. I am not going to tear into him as he is simply playing as well as he can. He has been offered a contract and gets picked each week. Why is it his fault? Surely it is the fault of the person who signed him and picks him. Wouldn’t you want to play for the Bulls if you were given the chance?
I am a little surprised that Sherriffe got some stick about dropping the ball last night. I can only remember it happening once from a dodgy pass. I am also amazed that our right hand side is described as poor. I think Sykes is tackling everything that moves and he looks sharp in attack. Sherriffe isn’t world class but he is doing OK.
Last night we had our strongest team possible without Langley. This is what we have and we need to accept it. Wire have a millionaire backing them. We can’t match their spending. King is on nearly as much as Orford. Myler and Attkins cost a lot of money last Autumn. Money we don’t have.
The difference last night wasn’t purely about money. It was also about how the two teams play the game. We are still a predominantly forward orientated team that powers through teams and then gives the backs a chance near the line as they can’t score from further out. Teams like Saints, Leeds, Wigan and Warrington buy players who have natural ball handling skills who can also run. They attack from their own half. These clubs and coaches have this philosophy running through their veins. This type of fast open rugby comes natural to them – but they make sure coaches and players are capable of that type of play. They don’t sign plodders.
We worked out guts out last night but a little flair from Wire blew us apart because our lads couldn’t match them. We can do it in short bursts. The second half against Wigan wasn’t open flowing rugby. It was two individual darts from Orford, A 6 metre charge from Hall and a piece of backing up from Kearney. It was brilliant to watch but we didn’t rip them apart with style and flair. We have to graft for every point we get.
Look at each of the coaches that these four teams have. Where did they learn their trade. Look at the type of players that they sign. Not all big names but all have those skills and pace that they need. Super league is 27 games long. We are now well into it. We are clearly not a top 4 team. I have my own opinions on Macca and have said them before. I won’t slag him or Worrancy off but Macca does need to sort one or two players out quickly and get some consistency into our play or we will continue to plod along doing just enough to keep us in the top eight.

See thats where we differ in opinion because I think we are a top 4 team. When defence clicks and the hookers shoot out of dummy half the skill is there. Kearney, Orford, L'Estrange, Godwin, Sykes...they're all doing what they're supposed to and when the ball is moving they're as good as anyone.
They're just not clicking enough to rack up the points and when Lynch & Scruton go off, Glenn Hall isn't a prop and Craig Kopczak doesn't have the impact of the starting props, we're missing a valuable Impact Prop off the bench to keep the momentum going.
I think we were very hard done by in the first half, twice tackled in the air a couple of "knock-on's"...we were tired out by the Referee in the first half and yet still managed to go in with a lead. I think it's harsh to blame Macca this week because we played a lot lot better than a 33-8 scoreline suggests.

Adey I agree with your points except that Macca does take some blame this week and it's all about his love affair with Worrincy.

Actually apart from that, the side looked extremely well coached especially defensivelyand Macca can take credit for that.

The win last week masked many of our problems and Worrincey this week has done the same. For all the great defence in the first half why aren't we asking, "why did we have to do so much defending" ? In the second half, Kearney's two breaks apart, we spent most of our time in our own half unable to get out of it. Let's be honest, Godwin let Higham run through him for their first try, is Godwin good enough ? Is Halley (he needs to learn to be a FB and stop trying to play HB) ? Is Sheriffe ? Is Nero ? Is Kopczak ? Is Worrincey ? Add to that the fact that Orford was poor and Menzies (unusually) and Hall (again) dropped the ball and it tells you that this team is not good enough. Get rid of half a dozen players and replace Macca with a decent Aussie coach, then the Club can go forward. For all his personal problems, Cooke could be the answer to our kicking problems if he got himself sorted and he can't be worse than half a dozen of our current personnel.

PJ Cookes been sacked by Hull,as good as sacked by HKR and you want him at the Bulls.... We've been telling you why the Bulls played so long without the ball and that's why they had to do so much defending. But if you agree the Bulls did too much defending how can you then say Orford was poor? His defence is sound and he managed during the few times the Bulls did attack, to create two tries. Yes he was not the force he often is but that's to be expected when his side are starved of the ball.

Haitch, I expect Orford to be organising the Bulls when we have possession, I don't expect him to leave that to Halley. I'm not knocking the guy as time can show him to be a great signing, but don't tell me he had a good game last night, he didn't. At least Cooke has shown in the past he can be a quality player, that's more than can be said for 6 of our squad last night. Cooke's problems are personal ones, not ability related.

haitch wrote:
PJ Cookes been sacked by Hull,as good as sacked by HKR and you want him at the Bulls.... We've been telling you why the Bulls played so long without the ball and that's why they had to do so much defending. But if you agree the Bulls did too much defending how can you then say Orford was poor? His defence is sound and he managed during the few times the Bulls did attack, to create two tries. Yes he was not the force he often is but that's to be expected when his side are starved of the ball.

Are you really impling that Ox had anything other than a poor game. I'm am a great admirer of the guy but i refuse to watch a game through 'Ox tinted specs'
It's as i wrote last night, Worrincy has had enough chances, Halley is NOT a fullback and we need Sykes and Ox back out on the training field practising goal kicking.

Lots of good comments today and there clearly needs to be improvement. Nearly a quarter of the season gone so we can't blame anything on being rusty. At the start of the season I thought we were top 4 material. We could still be but I now see Leeds, Saints, Wire and Wigan as the top four teams at the moment. If we have any ambition to be better than just simply holding onto top 8 or top 6 we really do need to be beating Hull next week or we may drop out of the top 8 again.
What do others think? Is next week a real test for the bulls as to how good we really are? Is it a must win? or can we lose this and other games like this against mid-table teams and still think of ourselves as a top 4 team?
It will be very interesting to hear Maccas thoughts on yesterday and see what happens to Warrancy. Next few weeks could decide Maccas future!

Totally agree with all your points Prycey, it's important that Bulls win at Hull, not just show signs of improvement - that seems to have taken over from the 'gelling' term!

It's a must win as far as I'm concerned for the simple reason that, how long can we keep stretching the "we're getting there" theme ? Hull can be hot and cold and as far as I'm concerned it's a game that top sides need to win. If we don't then the facade of our team is blown away and we have to accept another season of being average. Silver lining might be the acceleration of Hood's desire to scout for a new coach, albeit in place for next season.

All games are important. Boths sides, Hull and the Bulls, have points to prove. Macca would love to put one over his home town team and I expect the Bulls to do that. There is no real consistency in SL at the moment and ALL teams can be beaten. I believe the Bulls will be better come the Summer but they haven't got to get too far behind the leading pack. Bulls by 10 points next week - I'll stake my wife's Bingo money on it!

Never in a million years is this team top 4. Not even top 6.

worrincy was poor last night, but lets be honest, we don't know that he was going to be in the 17, macca may have been going to play donaldson instead but due to the illness of langley, he's had to play him. i will hold my hand up to the fact that i have frequently critisised langley but this season he has been superb and we missed him last night. i just hope that macca does see now that worrincy isn't cutting it.
the only other player who i will comment on is menzies who had the worst game i can remember seeing him play, trying to force it at every opportunity when we needed stability. still 1 bad game in a season and a bit isn't bad going.

Sheffieldbull wrote:

haitch wrote: PJ Cookes been sacked by Hull,as good as sacked by HKR and you want him at the Bulls.... We've been telling you why the Bulls played so long without the ball and that's why they had to do so much defending. But if you agree the Bulls did too much defending how can you then say Orford was poor? His defence is sound and he managed during the few times the Bulls did attack, to create two tries. Yes he was not the force he often is but that's to be expected when his side are starved of the ball.

Are you really impling that Ox had anything other than a poor game. I'm am a great admirer of the guy but i refuse to watch a game through 'Ox tinted specs' It's as i wrote last night, Worrincy has had enough chances, Halley is NOT a fullback and we need Sykes and Ox back out on the training field practising goal kicking.

I saw your comments yesterday. Lets get one thing straight. I did not say Ox had a good game but unlike you who prefer to point out the negatives I and others saw Ox provide a lovely pass to Sykes for his try and kick a fine high bomb which Riley couldn't handle and led to another try. We also saw Ox's defence and organisation which is great. I'm not interested in reading about your advice to Ox about how he should practice goal kicks etc., (he has over 600 goals in NRL). This guy has more quality, skill and knowledge about the game than you could ever dream of and the Bulls are very fortunate indeed to have him. That's not "Ox coloured glasses". That's fact!

haitch wrote:

Sheffieldbull wrote:

haitch wrote: PJ Cookes been sacked by Hull,as good as sacked by HKR and you want him at the Bulls.... We've been telling you why the Bulls played so long without the ball and that's why they had to do so much defending. But if you agree the Bulls did too much defending how can you then say Orford was poor? His defence is sound and he managed during the few times the Bulls did attack, to create two tries. Yes he was not the force he often is but that's to be expected when his side are starved of the ball.

Are you really impling that Ox had anything other than a poor game. I'm am a great admirer of the guy but i refuse to watch a game through 'Ox tinted specs' It's as i wrote last night, Worrincy has had enough chances, Halley is NOT a fullback and we need Sykes and Ox back out on the training field practising goal kicking.

I saw your comments yesterday. Lets get one thing straight. I did not say Ox had a good game but unlike you who prefer to point out the negatives I and others saw Ox provide a lovely pass to Sykes for his try and kick a fine high bomb which Riley couldn't handle and led to another try. We also saw Ox's defence and organisation which is great. I'm not interested in reading about your advice to Ox about how he should practice goal kicks etc., (he has over 600 goals in NRL). This guy has more quality, skill and knowledge about the game than you could ever dream of and the Bulls are very fortunate indeed to have him. That's not "Ox coloured glasses". That's fact!

Haitch, you really do make some silly coments and i refuse to join in the 'lets blow sunshine up Haitch's backside' Now, that's a fact!

Everthing I have said this week on here came true again,as I have said I dont like knocking players it is a tough game and obviously players are not to blame if they are not up to the standard required.It is the people that give them the contracts that should shoulder the blame.Worrincy unfortunately is nowhere near S.L. standard so why was he signed,Halley is no way good enough to play Full Back in S.L so why does he.The centres are definitely not S.L standard but obviously the money this year went on the half backs,so fair enough,but dont blame the players for their shortcomings they should not be playing S,L in the first place,so I will leave it up to you to judge where I think the blame lies.This is not a rant just because of last nights result it is pretty obvios to me in the six games we have played that if Orford is stopped our game goes down the pan.I will be interested to find out which team is picked next week and if we have learned anything from last night.I suspect not.

Sheffieldbull wrote:

haitch wrote:

Sheffieldbull wrote:

haitch wrote: PJ Cookes been sacked by Hull,as good as sacked by HKR and you want him at the Bulls.... We've been telling you why the Bulls played so long without the ball and that's why they had to do so much defending. But if you agree the Bulls did too much defending how can you then say Orford was poor? His defence is sound and he managed during the few times the Bulls did attack, to create two tries. Yes he was not the force he often is but that's to be expected when his side are starved of the ball.

Are you really impling that Ox had anything other than a poor game. I'm am a great admirer of the guy but i refuse to watch a game through 'Ox tinted specs' It's as i wrote last night, Worrincy has had enough chances, Halley is NOT a fullback and we need Sykes and Ox back out on the training field practising goal kicking.

I saw your comments yesterday. Lets get one thing straight. I did not say Ox had a good game but unlike you who prefer to point out the negatives I and others saw Ox provide a lovely pass to Sykes for his try and kick a fine high bomb which Riley couldn't handle and led to another try. We also saw Ox's defence and organisation which is great. I'm not interested in reading about your advice to Ox about how he should practice goal kicks etc., (he has over 600 goals in NRL). This guy has more quality, skill and knowledge about the game than you could ever dream of and the Bulls are very fortunate indeed to have him. That's not "Ox coloured glasses". That's fact!

Haitch, you really do make some silly coments and i refuse to join in the 'lets blow sunshine up Haitch's backside' Now, that's a fact!

Please!! lets keep the conversation sensible. Perhaps if you told me what I have said thats "silly" I could discuss it with you. Do you really believe you have the expertise to tell Orford how he should be practicing? And you say I make silly comments??

a few that comment on here, myself included, said all along that halley wasn't a full back and i think it is becoming more and more obvious. he should be on the wing where he can utilise his pace. reardon is the perfect full back, or as perfect as we will get.
koppy has bulked up a bit in the off season, he now needs to start doing something with that bulk, having said that, in prop terms he is still only a lad, but if he is to be in the team long term he needs to grow up sharpish.

I was at the game last night and I thought for the 1st half we were as good as the Wolves,
12 lad giving 100% and then Worrincy just seemed to be on the fringe of the game.
I know Jamie Langley had been taken off coach sick and I thought Worrincy may be suffering some of the effects of whatever Jamie had.
At the end of the game however I’d formed a different opinion, in last week’s game against Wigan Worrincy offered no tackle to Roberts who carried the ball 65/70 metres, Reardon finally making the tackle.
Tonight probably 3 try’s given away due to Worrincy offering no tackle.
I thought that this season all the BULLS players had put aside all their personal agendas to get us back into being a competitive team for 2010, if Worrincy doesn’t wan’t to give 100% to the team then it’s time to take him out and wait for Danny Sculthorpe to get fit and in to the team.
COM'ON YOU BULLS.

graham smith wrote:
I was at the game last night and I thought for the 1st half we were as good as the Wolves, 12 lad giving 100% and then Worrincy just seemed to be on the fringe of the game. I know Jamie Langley had been taken off coach sick and I thought Worrincy may be suffering some of the effects of whatever Jamie had. At the end of the game however I’d formed a different opinion, in last week’s game against Wigan Worrincy offered no tackle to Roberts who carried the ball 65/70 metres, Reardon finally making the tackle. Tonight probably 3 try’s given away due to Worrincy offering no tackle. I thought that this season all the BULLS players had put aside all their personal agendas to get us back into being a competitive team for 2010, if Worrincy doesn’t wan’t to give 100% to the team then it’s time to take him out and wait for Danny Sculthorpe to get fit and in to the team. COM'ON YOU BULLS.

But is it that he's not giving 100% Graham? I just think the lad hasn't a clue and if that is the case it's Macca who's the culprit.

It's panning out as we thought it might. Most of the weak links we feared are proving to be exactly that.
There is a great deal more effort being shown by the lads but the 3/4's and F/b are simply not up to it.
Macca has it within his hands to improve the F/B pos., by swapping Reardon and Halley but I'm afraid we are stuck with a 3/4 line which will be found wanting against the best.

"Do you really believe you have the expertise to tell Orford how he should be practicing? And you say I make silly comments??"
Ask Paul Deacon if he practices, I've also watched 'Sir Keith' spend ages on his own practicing many years ago - You need to read my posts a little more carefully and then you'll realise why i think some of your comments are missing the mark.

Sheffieldbull wrote:

haitch wrote:

Sheffieldbull wrote:

haitch wrote: PJ Cookes been sacked by Hull,as good as sacked by HKR and you want him at the Bulls.... We've been telling you why the Bulls played so long without the ball and that's why they had to do so much defending. But if you agree the Bulls did too much defending how can you then say Orford was poor? His defence is sound and he managed during the few times the Bulls did attack, to create two tries. Yes he was not the force he often is but that's to be expected when his side are starved of the ball.

Are you really impling that Ox had anything other than a poor game. I'm am a great admirer of the guy but i refuse to watch a game through 'Ox tinted specs' It's as i wrote last night, Worrincy has had enough chances, Halley is NOT a fullback and we need Sykes and Ox back out on the training field practising goal kicking.

I saw your comments yesterday. Lets get one thing straight. I did not say Ox had a good game but unlike you who prefer to point out the negatives I and others saw Ox provide a lovely pass to Sykes for his try and kick a fine high bomb which Riley couldn't handle and led to another try. We also saw Ox's defence and organisation which is great. I'm not interested in reading about your advice to Ox about how he should practice goal kicks etc., (he has over 600 goals in NRL). This guy has more quality, skill and knowledge about the game than you could ever dream of and the Bulls are very fortunate indeed to have him. That's not "Ox coloured glasses". That's fact!

Haitch, you really do make some silly coments and i refuse to join in the 'lets blow sunshine up Haitch's backside' Now, that's a fact!

Blowing up backsides,cross dressing what ever next strange game and some very strange supporters its sounds like a happy place you all gather.

I watched the game again today on sky plus & I have to say that apart from the dreadful goal kicking Worrincy lost us the game. He was a weak link targeted & exploited by Warrington. His effort in the tackle was aweful, stop playing the man & drop him it was obvious to everyone & other teams will target him. Saying that overall the team effort was ok Warrington are a good well coached team. Hope Macca learns from this at lease we are not calling for Maccas head after this.

Some good news Leeds lost again today.

Sheffieldbull wrote:
"Do you really believe you have the expertise to tell Orford how he should be practicing? And you say I make silly comments??" Ask Paul Deacon if he practices, I've also watched 'Sir Keith' spend ages on his own practicing many years ago - You need to read my posts a little more carefully and then you'll realise why i think some of your comments are missing the mark.

Deacon famously NEVER practiced goal kicks.

Sheffieldbull wrote:
"Do you really believe you have the expertise to tell Orford how he should be practicing? And you say I make silly comments??" Ask Paul Deacon if he practices, I've also watched 'Sir Keith' spend ages on his own practicing many years ago - You need to read my posts a little more carefully and then you'll realise why i think some of your comments are missing the mark.

Point taken. Bulls/ Northern have had such special kickers over the times I have watched since late 1940's. I would not expect Orford to be in the class of Deacs or Mumby, Few are, but I am sure Orford practices too. He was a very good kicker in the NRL and we can only hope he improves as the grounds get better. I don't like the way Sykes and Ox share the kicking and it's up to Macca to decide who the kicker is and work with him. Just because a couple of kicks don't go over I can't see the point in swapping.

By the way, the best kicker I ever saw was Terry Price. I always think it's a shame his record was passed as he could kick from anywhere in muddy winter conditions and with a Ball in the 60's/70's which must have been near twice as heavy as today's. People talk of Legends and Terry was that for sure. Sorry to reminisce.

Bully, I am calling for Macca's head, as without doubt, he is the biggest obstacle to Bradford achieving success - and when you've got Worrincey and Platt on the books, that's saying something!

Schoey100 wrote:
I'm not one to usually knock individual players, but for Worrincy I'll make an exception! Can't obviously blame him alone for the loss but ya may as well put a Bulls shirt on a telegraph pole and stick it on the field. Understatement of the year from Stevo, & I quote "...to be fair, he's not known for his defensive ability...!"

true mate its a long time since I have seen a player who was so static, his ability to read a game and effort in both attack and defence (or should I say lack of) is atrocious, watching his positional play you would think he didn't train with the rest of the team but just shows up for the match, I know you cant blame him completely for the loss as we looked one dimensional in attack and goal kicking was and is a major concern but him running up the pitch only to see the opposition pass him going the opposite way while he flaps his arms as they pass him not for the first time this season surely shows he shouldn't be on the pitch ...

Where was Langley?

Mrs Flash gave birth to baby Flash Two (another furture season ticket holder wether she likes it or not) on Thursday, so aint been up to speed.

flashdonut wrote:
Where was Langley? Mrs Flash gave birth to baby Flash Two (another furture season ticket holder wether she likes it or not) on Thursday, so aint been up to speed.

Just seen your question Flash. News was he was "Taken Ill" on the coach on way to ground.
Many congratulations and best of luck to you and yours.

The bulk of Maccas budget was earmarked for bringing in high calibre players to make up the 'backbone' of the squad... Orford, Kearney etc.
with what would remain would only buy the Worrincys of this world.
Langleys last minute exit through illness meant Macca fealt he had no option but to put Worrincy on having just 17 of the recognised squad to choose from.

pjbull wrote:
Bully, I am calling for Macca's head, as without doubt, he is the biggest obstacle to Bradford achieving success - and when you've got Worrincey and Platt on the books, that's saying something!

Why? Take a look at the table! We're 6 games in with a 50% winning ratio...but so are the reigning champions! You don't see the Rhinos calling for Brian McClennan's head on a plate. Face facts, the league is a lot tougher this year.

The simple fact is we have had this coach for 3 1/2 years why do people think it will be any different this season? lets face it Wigan fell off in the second half and we pinched the game. The players on the whole are good enough,not world beaters but with the right coaching capable of beating most teams.
Aussie coaches have the answer look at Huddersfield. Just have to grin and bear it and hope Hood can see sense and start looking for a new coach for next season.

haitch wrote:

flashdonut wrote: Where was Langley? Mrs Flash gave birth to baby Flash Two (another furture season ticket holder wether she likes it or not) on Thursday, so aint been up to speed.

Just seen your question Flash. News was he was "Taken Ill" on the coach on way to ground. Many congratulations and best of luck to you and yours.

Cheers fella

Adey, I wouldn't be calling for Macca's head if he'd won back to back Grand Finals. The fact is he has won nothing, we have gone backwards under him and this season, scraped past Salford, beat Cas and sneaked a win against Wigan. Additionally we've been thrashed by Saints, Giants and Wolves. Are you seriously saying that an Aussie Coach would not improve the Bulls ?

Did any one see Worrincy warming up with his hands in his pockets!! obviously Macca did'nt. Lynch captain your having me on. A good captain would have sent him too the stands where he couldnt do any more damage!! Lynchy is a valued member of the Bulls, too passive for me. I know what your thinking it's not the job of the captain to remove any one from the field of play thats true, but if Macca can't see worrincy warming up!!