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| Sam Burgess blamed a lack of concentration for Bulls' second-half capitulation |
Frustrated Sam Burgess admits inconsistency is killing the Bulls.
They were put to the sword by bitter rivals Leeds Rhinos again on Saturday night, losing out 40-26 in Cardiff.
Bradford led 10-6 at the turnaround but quickly conceded a raft of long-range tries after some shocking defence that finished the contest.
There was no payback for their thrashing at Headingley earlier this season or last year's gut-wrenching defeat at Millennium Magic.
Super League leaders Rhinos eased eight points clear of Steve McNamara's side, who have now defeated them just once in their last eight meetings.
Burgess maintains Leeds can be beaten and the Bulls will be in the reckoning come Grand Final time but only if they start shaping up soon.
"I felt we could have beaten Leeds but they got three breakaway tries and an intercept and we can't afford to concede like that," said the Great Britain prop.
"It's hard to hit back when you do that and we struggled.
"It's just a lack of concentration and it's not good enough at Super League level.
"It is frustrating and it hurts but we just weren't good enough for 20 minutes in that game and Leeds made us pay.
"We've got to start playing for 80 minutes rather than 60."
Burgess, 19, grabbed a try at the death to give the scoreline some respectability but the damage had been done.
"Leeds have got speed and if they get outside you they are going to finish you off," he said. "We knew about that and worked on it but we'll have to go back to the drawing board again."
There was none of the drama of last season's affair when refereeing errors delivered Leeds the points.
"There was a few dubious decisions again but they didn't cost us the game," admitted Burgess, whose side had won four of their five last Super League fixtures before nose-diving again.
"We need consistency. It's no good doing it one week and then not the next.
"I'm 100 per cent certain we can go on and win this competition. I've got every confidence in that but we need to have more confidence in ourselves as a team."
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CommentPosted by: SHAUN, richmond on 10:31am Mon 5 May 08
Get rid of the 5 or 6 "Pub Players" and yes we can compete with Leeds!!
However having to carry those.....The likes of Sam, will in the end buckle!!
Just one other point...Get Langley sorted!!! He is clearly injured, and the kids going to end up crocked, for good!!
Sort it McNamara!!
Get rid of the 5 or 6 "Pub Players" and yes we can compete with Leeds!!
However having to carry those.....The likes of Sam, will in the end buckle!!
Just one other point...Get Langley sorted!!! He is clearly injured, and the kids going to end up crocked, for good!!
Sort it McNamara!!
Posted by: Blotto on 10:51am Mon 5 May 08
"We need consistency. It's no good doing it one week and then not the next.
"I'm 100 per cent certain we can go on and win this competition. I've got every
It's not rocket science that consistency will win you most games
"I'm 100 per cent certain we can go on and win this competition. I've got every confidence in that but we need to have more confidence in ourselves as a team."
I'll go 99% and agree with the rest of that statement.
There is no reason as yet to say we won't be at the GF this year
"We need consistency. It's no good doing it one week and then not the next.
"I'm 100 per cent certain we can go on and win this competition. I've got every
It's not rocket science that consistency will win you most games
"I'm 100 per cent certain we can go on and win this competition. I've got every confidence in that but we need to have more confidence in ourselves as a team."
I'll go 99% and agree with the rest of that statement.
There is no reason as yet to say we won't be at the GF this year
Posted by: haitch, Lincolnshire on 1:00pm Mon 5 May 08
[quote][bold]Blotto[/bold] wrote:
"We need consistency. It's no good doing it one week and then not the next. "I'm 100 per cent certain we can go on and win this competition. I've got every It's not rocket science that consistency will win you most games "I'm 100 per cent certain we can go on and win this competition. I've got every confidence in that but we need to have more confidence in ourselves as a team." I'll go 99% and agree with the rest of that statement. There is no reason as yet to say we won't be at the GF this year [/quote] Well we can't give up trying that's for sure. Bulls are lacking strength in depth at Prop. The right wing position is a problem although evans can do a caretaker job, the halves are too slow without Jefferies and we've no real punch from centre (evans would be better served in that position). To add to all that Halley is not big enough to break the line against a strong side like Leeds or Saints. He also looks much smaller than Webb who is exceptionally good. I'm not criticising but trying to see it as it is. I would play Platt at fullback and Halley on the wing using Evans as a utility threequarter. I would try to sign a decent prop on loan and get Burgess out of that front row which IMO is doing him no good. Another move is to use Sykes as an emergency s/o when Evans is fit. We have to look closely at players like Nero and Toupou and decide do we really need them. OK I don't expect support for my radical plan but I believe Macca has to show some initiative and soon.
Blotto wrote:
"We need consistency. It's no good doing it one week and then not the next. "I'm 100 per cent certain we can go on and win this competition. I've got every It's not rocket science that consistency will win you most games "I'm 100 per cent certain we can go on and win this competition. I've got every confidence in that but we need to have more confidence in ourselves as a team." I'll go 99% and agree with the rest of that statement. There is no reason as yet to say we won't be at the GF this year
Well we can't give up trying that's for sure. Bulls are lacking strength in depth at Prop. The right wing position is a problem although evans can do a caretaker job, the halves are too slow without Jefferies and we've no real punch from centre (evans would be better served in that position). To add to all that Halley is not big enough to break the line against a strong side like Leeds or Saints. He also looks much smaller than Webb who is exceptionally good. I'm not criticising but trying to see it as it is. I would play Platt at fullback and Halley on the wing using Evans as a utility threequarter. I would try to sign a decent prop on loan and get Burgess out of that front row which IMO is doing him no good. Another move is to use Sykes as an emergency s/o when Evans is fit. We have to look closely at players like Nero and Toupou and decide do we really need them. OK I don't expect support for my radical plan but I believe Macca has to show some initiative and soon.
Posted by: LeagueJunkie!!!, Lost Again. on 1:12pm Mon 5 May 08
[quote][bold]haitch[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Blotto[/bold] wrote: "We need consistency. It's no good doing it one week and then not the next. "I'm 100 per cent certain we can go on and win this competition. I've got every It's not rocket science that consistency will win you most games "I'm 100 per cent certain we can go on and win this competition. I've got every confidence in that but we need to have more confidence in ourselves as a team." I'll go 99% and agree with the rest of that statement. There is no reason as yet to say we won't be at the GF this year [/quote] Well we can't give up trying that's for sure. Bulls are lacking strength in depth at Prop. The right wing position is a problem although evans can do a caretaker job, the halves are too slow without Jefferies and we've no real punch from centre (evans would be better served in that position). To add to all that Halley is not big enough to break the line against a strong side like Leeds or Saints. He also looks much smaller than Webb who is exceptionally good. I'm not criticising but trying to see it as it is. I would play Platt at fullback and Halley on the wing using Evans as a utility threequarter. I would try to sign a decent prop on loan and get Burgess out of that front row which IMO is doing him no good. Another move is to use Sykes as an emergency s/o when Evans is fit. We have to look closely at players like Nero and Toupou and decide do we really need them. OK I don't expect support for my radical plan but I believe Macca has to show some initiative and soon.[/quote] Macca hasn't got any initiative.
haitch wrote:
Blotto wrote: "We need consistency. It's no good doing it one week and then not the next. "I'm 100 per cent certain we can go on and win this competition. I've got every It's not rocket science that consistency will win you most games "I'm 100 per cent certain we can go on and win this competition. I've got every confidence in that but we need to have more confidence in ourselves as a team." I'll go 99% and agree with the rest of that statement. There is no reason as yet to say we won't be at the GF this year
Well we can't give up trying that's for sure. Bulls are lacking strength in depth at Prop. The right wing position is a problem although evans can do a caretaker job, the halves are too slow without Jefferies and we've no real punch from centre (evans would be better served in that position). To add to all that Halley is not big enough to break the line against a strong side like Leeds or Saints. He also looks much smaller than Webb who is exceptionally good. I'm not criticising but trying to see it as it is. I would play Platt at fullback and Halley on the wing using Evans as a utility threequarter. I would try to sign a decent prop on loan and get Burgess out of that front row which IMO is doing him no good. Another move is to use Sykes as an emergency s/o when Evans is fit. We have to look closely at players like Nero and Toupou and decide do we really need them. OK I don't expect support for my radical plan but I believe Macca has to show some initiative and soon.
Macca hasn't got any initiative.
Posted by: Wayne Jacobs, City Folklore on 1:53pm Mon 5 May 08
I was so disgusted at our last home game at what I saw I am in 2 minds in reporting it to the police. For years, many supporters have made their unhappyness of the stewarding at Valley Parade full aware to the club and to the Telegraph & Argus, and as a club they have always defended the heavy handed actions of the nazi style bully tactics they employ. A couple of home games ago I was accused of being a criminal because I was carrying a can of cola and treated as such, all I wanted was a drink, my first one of the day, if there was reasonably priced drinks in the ground I would buy within, I bet the same steward would not stop a woman with lets say a metal flask about 2 or 3 times bigger which would be a more serious weapon. I bought a scarf from the shop as it was cold, so in a great mood, smiling walking towards the turnstyles, and then how am I treated within 5 minutes, I am searched before being let into the ground, anyone would have thought I had knicked the thing, nice customer service by the way if the club are reading this and want some feedback. I was so incensed at that point I have decided to disassociate myself from Bradford City and especially the ground as soon as my season ticket ran out and I will never ever set a foot in Valley Parade ever again till these little Hitlers are removed and replaced, and I am not the only one either. I was so close to taking action against this slander as I was so offended to be called a criminal just because "he did not know me". Constantly they bully little kids in and around me, to make themselves feel omnipotent, yet they never ever confront adults or anyone near their own size.
The incident which has actually made me contact Bradford City, to which I may I have had no reply at all, so I am really incences to make a national newspaper investigate the goings on at Valley Parade and shame the club or maybe, just maybe, I will make an official complaint to the police against the club as their lack of a response and constant defending of the stewards is so obvious they approve of such behaviour. So what I saw was damned right too far in my own opinion, I do not care what City class supporters as, young, old, male, female, black or white, at the end of the day, we are CUSTOMERS, and all we want after a week at work, or in some cases, school, is to get out and enjoy ourselves, yet the stewards are doing all they can to spoil people's experience at Valley Parade. Towards the end of the match, it was so obvious that a lot of people, mainly kids, would run onto the pitch in their masses, so what did the stewards do, just stand there leaving gaps knowing they would be be futile in trying, YET the area supervisor in front of the kop, the one that wears the blue jacket, middle aged with dark short hair took it upon himself to assault little kids running on the pitch, I saw him deliberately target small children by kicking hard at their ankles, some he missed, but he lashed out about half a dozen times, one small boy aged about 5 falling to his knees. If I hear one complaint to the police, I will definitely contact them as a witness to back them up as this was blatant deliberate physical assault on minors, it would have been interesting to see if he actually tried it with an adult. I do not want to see it in any form on adults in society, let alone an adult to young children. I still am in 2 minds to report it to the police and the person sat next to me also witnessed it. I have seen similar before at Valley Parade, but contact has not been made and personally, I have had enough of the treatment I receive and I constantly see. I would love to hear any thoughts on this as the club are not interested one little bit, in the past not listened to many fans, or in the present, be it City or the Bulls supporters comments several seasons ago when they spent 2 years at Valley Parade. I just have never had this or witnessed this at any other ground, be it in none league, international, football or Rugby League or Union.
This is one MORE supporter never stepping foot into Colditz in Bradford. I am taking my money elsewhere, I just need to decide where, but one thing is for certain, it certainly will not be Valley Parade, Elland Rd or Galpharm.
I wonder if I will get a reply from the club before I do make either the police or a national newspaper aware of the goings on which the club are fully aware of and are not prepared to do anything.
GREAT CUSTOMER SERVICE.
I was so disgusted at our last home game at what I saw I am in 2 minds in reporting it to the police. For years, many supporters have made their unhappyness of the stewarding at Valley Parade full aware to the club and to the Telegraph & Argus, and as a club they have always defended the heavy handed actions of the nazi style bully tactics they employ. A couple of home games ago I was accused of being a criminal because I was carrying a can of cola and treated as such, all I wanted was a drink, my first one of the day, if there was reasonably priced drinks in the ground I would buy within, I bet the same steward would not stop a woman with lets say a metal flask about 2 or 3 times bigger which would be a more serious weapon. I bought a scarf from the shop as it was cold, so in a great mood, smiling walking towards the turnstyles, and then how am I treated within 5 minutes, I am searched before being let into the ground, anyone would have thought I had knicked the thing, nice customer service by the way if the club are reading this and want some feedback. I was so incensed at that point I have decided to disassociate myself from Bradford City and especially the ground as soon as my season ticket ran out and I will never ever set a foot in Valley Parade ever again till these little Hitlers are removed and replaced, and I am not the only one either. I was so close to taking action against this slander as I was so offended to be called a criminal just because "he did not know me". Constantly they bully little kids in and around me, to make themselves feel omnipotent, yet they never ever confront adults or anyone near their own size.
The incident which has actually made me contact Bradford City, to which I may I have had no reply at all, so I am really incences to make a national newspaper investigate the goings on at Valley Parade and shame the club or maybe, just maybe, I will make an official complaint to the police against the club as their lack of a response and constant defending of the stewards is so obvious they approve of such behaviour. So what I saw was damned right too far in my own opinion, I do not care what City class supporters as, young, old, male, female, black or white, at the end of the day, we are CUSTOMERS, and all we want after a week at work, or in some cases, school, is to get out and enjoy ourselves, yet the stewards are doing all they can to spoil people's experience at Valley Parade. Towards the end of the match, it was so obvious that a lot of people, mainly kids, would run onto the pitch in their masses, so what did the stewards do, just stand there leaving gaps knowing they would be be futile in trying, YET the area supervisor in front of the kop, the one that wears the blue jacket, middle aged with dark short hair took it upon himself to assault little kids running on the pitch, I saw him deliberately target small children by kicking hard at their ankles, some he missed, but he lashed out about half a dozen times, one small boy aged about 5 falling to his knees. If I hear one complaint to the police, I will definitely contact them as a witness to back them up as this was blatant deliberate physical assault on minors, it would have been interesting to see if he actually tried it with an adult. I do not want to see it in any form on adults in society, let alone an adult to young children. I still am in 2 minds to report it to the police and the person sat next to me also witnessed it. I have seen similar before at Valley Parade, but contact has not been made and personally, I have had enough of the treatment I receive and I constantly see. I would love to hear any thoughts on this as the club are not interested one little bit, in the past not listened to many fans, or in the present, be it City or the Bulls supporters comments several seasons ago when they spent 2 years at Valley Parade. I just have never had this or witnessed this at any other ground, be it in none league, international, football or Rugby League or Union.
This is one MORE supporter never stepping foot into Colditz in Bradford. I am taking my money elsewhere, I just need to decide where, but one thing is for certain, it certainly will not be Valley Parade, Elland Rd or Galpharm.
I wonder if I will get a reply from the club before I do make either the police or a national newspaper aware of the goings on which the club are fully aware of and are not prepared to do anything.
GREAT CUSTOMER SERVICE.
Posted by: doctor.t, costa blanca on 2:00pm Mon 5 May 08
Quote - "Leeds have got speed and if they get outside you they will finish you off.We knew about this and worked on it."
Well,all I can say is that no-one must have told Toupou,whose defensive positional play gifted Leeds two tries immediately after the break - game over!!
It showed just how important James Evans is to the team.
I'm with those who say Toupou should be released,immediately
.
The Catalans C.C. game is now looking immense.
Quote - "Leeds have got speed and if they get outside you they will finish you off.We knew about this and worked on it."
Well,all I can say is that no-one must have told Toupou,whose defensive positional play gifted Leeds two tries immediately after the break - game over!!
It showed just how important James Evans is to the team.
I'm with those who say Toupou should be released,immediately
.
The Catalans C.C. game is now looking immense.
Posted by: haitch, Lincolnshire on 3:41pm Mon 5 May 08
[quote][bold]doctor.t[/bold] wrote:
Quote - "Leeds have got speed and if they get outside you they will finish you off.We knew about this and worked on it." Well,all I can say is that no-one must have told Toupou,whose defensive positional play gifted Leeds two tries immediately after the break - game over!! It showed just how important James Evans is to the team. I'm with those who say Toupou should be released,immediately . The Catalans C.C. game is now looking immense. [/quote] I'm not sure of the contract lengths of Toupou and Nero but is it really necessary to pay these blokes wages? There has to be a standard below which we are not prepared to go and these two must be well below it!!
doctor.t wrote:
Quote - "Leeds have got speed and if they get outside you they will finish you off.We knew about this and worked on it." Well,all I can say is that no-one must have told Toupou,whose defensive positional play gifted Leeds two tries immediately after the break - game over!! It showed just how important James Evans is to the team. I'm with those who say Toupou should be released,immediately . The Catalans C.C. game is now looking immense.
I'm not sure of the contract lengths of Toupou and Nero but is it really necessary to pay these blokes wages? There has to be a standard below which we are not prepared to go and these two must be well below it!!
Posted by: Tricky Dicky, Brunei on 4:00pm Mon 5 May 08
The business community of Bradford has negligible interest in the Bulls. The board is only interested in breaking even or making the odd buck - there will be limited investment in playing staff. Get wise, get real. The Bulls, for now, are second-rate, from backroom through to playing personnel. Be happy they compete with other second-raters. The Bulls will beat Catalan at the weekend and get drawn against Leeds in the next round - that's life. Mr MacNamara is no miracle worker. He's like Bradford, at the moment, average. The win against Catalan, in Perpignan, will, I think, turn out to be the highlight of the season. Unfortunately, I've been there, seen that and bought the T-shirt. Will I live long enough to see the good times return?
The business community of Bradford has negligible interest in the Bulls. The board is only interested in breaking even or making the odd buck - there will be limited investment in playing staff. Get wise, get real. The Bulls, for now, are second-rate, from backroom through to playing personnel. Be happy they compete with other second-raters. The Bulls will beat Catalan at the weekend and get drawn against Leeds in the next round - that's life. Mr MacNamara is no miracle worker. He's like Bradford, at the moment, average. The win against Catalan, in Perpignan, will, I think, turn out to be the highlight of the season. Unfortunately, I've been there, seen that and bought the T-shirt. Will I live long enough to see the good times return?
Posted by: WIPSI, WIBSEY on 5:06pm Mon 5 May 08
Yet another candidate for the Bulls coaching job if it becomes available.[quote]I would play Platt at fullback and Halley on the wing using Evans as a utility threequarter. I would try to sign a decent prop on loan and get Burgess out of that front row which IMO is doing him no good. Another move is to use Sykes as an emergency s/o when Evans is fit.[/quote]
Yet another candidate for the Bulls coaching job if it becomes available.
I would play Platt at fullback and Halley on the wing using Evans as a utility threequarter. I would try to sign a decent prop on loan and get Burgess out of that front row which IMO is doing him no good. Another move is to use Sykes as an emergency s/o when Evans is fit.
Posted by: LeagueJunkie!!!, Lost Again. on 5:19pm Mon 5 May 08
[quote][bold]WIPSI[/bold] wrote:
Yet another candidate for the Bulls coaching job if it becomes available.[quote]I would play Platt at fullback and Halley on the wing using Evans as a utility threequarter. I would try to sign a decent prop on loan and get Burgess out of that front row which IMO is doing him no good. Another move is to use Sykes as an emergency s/o when Evans is fit.[/quote] [/quote] Much more of the sh!t we've seen this season and it wont be long before it becomes available, that I assure you.
WIPSI wrote:
Yet another candidate for the Bulls coaching job if it becomes available.I would play Platt at fullback and Halley on the wing using Evans as a utility threequarter. I would try to sign a decent prop on loan and get Burgess out of that front row which IMO is doing him no good. Another move is to use Sykes as an emergency s/o when Evans is fit.
Much more of the sh!t we've seen this season and it wont be long before it becomes available, that I assure you.
Posted by: LeagueJunkie!!!, Lost Again. on 5:20pm Mon 5 May 08
[quote][bold]WIPSI[/bold] wrote:
Yet another candidate for the Bulls coaching job if it becomes available.[quote]I would play Platt at fullback and Halley on the wing using Evans as a utility threequarter. I would try to sign a decent prop on loan and get Burgess out of that front row which IMO is doing him no good. Another move is to use Sykes as an emergency s/o when Evans is fit.[/quote] [/quote] Much more of the sh!t we've seen this season and it wont be long before it becomes available, that I assure you.
WIPSI wrote:
Yet another candidate for the Bulls coaching job if it becomes available.I would play Platt at fullback and Halley on the wing using Evans as a utility threequarter. I would try to sign a decent prop on loan and get Burgess out of that front row which IMO is doing him no good. Another move is to use Sykes as an emergency s/o when Evans is fit.
Much more of the sh!t we've seen this season and it wont be long before it becomes available, that I assure you.
Posted by: WIPSI, WIBSEY on 5:38pm Mon 5 May 08
LJ are you a season ticket holder
LJ are you a season ticket holder
Posted by: LeagueJunkie!!!, Lost Again. on 5:39pm Mon 5 May 08
[quote][bold]LeagueJunkie!!![/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]WIPSI[/bold] wrote: Yet another candidate for the Bulls coaching job if it becomes available.[quote]I would play Platt at fullback and Halley on the wing using Evans as a utility threequarter. I would try to sign a decent prop on loan and get Burgess out of that front row which IMO is doing him no good. Another move is to use Sykes as an emergency s/o when Evans is fit.[/quote] [/quote] Much more of the sh!t we've seen this season and it wont be long before it becomes available, that I assure you.[/quote] Yes, youve said already.
LeagueJunkie!!! wrote:
WIPSI wrote: Yet another candidate for the Bulls coaching job if it becomes available.I would play Platt at fullback and Halley on the wing using Evans as a utility threequarter. I would try to sign a decent prop on loan and get Burgess out of that front row which IMO is doing him no good. Another move is to use Sykes as an emergency s/o when Evans is fit.
Much more of the sh!t we've seen this season and it wont be long before it becomes available, that I assure you.
Yes, youve said already.
Posted by: WIPSI, WIBSEY on 5:40pm Mon 5 May 08
What?
Posted by: LeagueJunkie!!!, Lost Again. on 5:50pm Mon 5 May 08
[quote][bold]WIPSI[/bold] wrote:
What?[/quote] Snot
Posted by: haitch, Lincolnshire on 6:25pm Mon 5 May 08
[quote][bold]WIPSI[/bold] wrote:
Yet another candidate for the Bulls coaching job if it becomes available.[quote]I would play Platt at fullback and Halley on the wing using Evans as a utility threequarter. I would try to sign a decent prop on loan and get Burgess out of that front row which IMO is doing him no good. Another move is to use Sykes as an emergency s/o when Evans is fit.[/quote] [/quote] Don't worry Wibsey it was more of a suggestion than anything that's remotely likely to happen. Surely we can voice an opinion on what we would like to see , if only as a topic for discussion??
WIPSI wrote:
Yet another candidate for the Bulls coaching job if it becomes available.I would play Platt at fullback and Halley on the wing using Evans as a utility threequarter. I would try to sign a decent prop on loan and get Burgess out of that front row which IMO is doing him no good. Another move is to use Sykes as an emergency s/o when Evans is fit.
Don't worry Wibsey it was more of a suggestion than anything that's remotely likely to happen. Surely we can voice an opinion on what we would like to see , if only as a topic for discussion??
Posted by: LeagueJunkie!!!, Lost Again. on 6:27pm Mon 5 May 08
[quote][bold]haitch[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]WIPSI[/bold] wrote: Yet another candidate for the Bulls coaching job if it becomes available.[quote]I would play Platt at fullback and Halley on the wing using Evans as a utility threequarter. I would try to sign a decent prop on loan and get Burgess out of that front row which IMO is doing him no good. Another move is to use Sykes as an emergency s/o when Evans is fit.[/quote] [/quote] Don't worry Wibsey it was more of a suggestion than anything that's remotely likely to happen. Surely we can voice an opinion on what we would like to see , if only as a topic for discussion??[/quote] Not on this board you cant, you cant say anything what might upset people.
haitch wrote:
WIPSI wrote: Yet another candidate for the Bulls coaching job if it becomes available.I would play Platt at fullback and Halley on the wing using Evans as a utility threequarter. I would try to sign a decent prop on loan and get Burgess out of that front row which IMO is doing him no good. Another move is to use Sykes as an emergency s/o when Evans is fit.
Don't worry Wibsey it was more of a suggestion than anything that's remotely likely to happen. Surely we can voice an opinion on what we would like to see , if only as a topic for discussion??
Not on this board you cant, you cant say anything what might upset people.
Posted by: haitch, Lincolnshire on 6:34pm Mon 5 May 08
[quote][bold]LeagueJunkie!!![/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]haitch[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]WIPSI[/bold] wrote: Yet another candidate for the Bulls coaching job if it becomes available.[quote]I would play Platt at fullback and Halley on the wing using Evans as a utility threequarter. I would try to sign a decent prop on loan and get Burgess out of that front row which IMO is doing him no good. Another move is to use Sykes as an emergency s/o when Evans is fit.[/quote] [/quote] Don't worry Wibsey it was more of a suggestion than anything that's remotely likely to happen. Surely we can voice an opinion on what we would like to see , if only as a topic for discussion??[/quote] Not on this board you cant, you cant say anything what might upset people.[/quote] Your right of course LJ. Forums are meant to be a place to discuss such things and I in no way would try to tell Macca how to do his job. However, I have an opinion as to how I would like to see the side....others just like to be sarcastic!! (We can take it)
LeagueJunkie!!! wrote:
haitch wrote: WIPSI wrote: Yet another candidate for the Bulls coaching job if it becomes available.I would play Platt at fullback and Halley on the wing using Evans as a utility threequarter. I would try to sign a decent prop on loan and get Burgess out of that front row which IMO is doing him no good. Another move is to use Sykes as an emergency s/o when Evans is fit.
Don't worry Wibsey it was more of a suggestion than anything that's remotely likely to happen. Surely we can voice an opinion on what we would like to see , if only as a topic for discussion??
Not on this board you cant, you cant say anything what might upset people.
Your right of course LJ. Forums are meant to be a place to discuss such things and I in no way would try to tell Macca how to do his job. However, I have an opinion as to how I would like to see the side....others just like to be sarcastic!! (We can take it)
Posted by: LeagueJunkie!!!, Lost Again. on 6:41pm Mon 5 May 08
[quote][bold]haitch[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]LeagueJunkie!!![/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]haitch[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]WIPSI[/bold] wrote: Yet another candidate for the Bulls coaching job if it becomes available.[quote]I would play Platt at fullback and Halley on the wing using Evans as a utility threequarter. I would try to sign a decent prop on loan and get Burgess out of that front row which IMO is doing him no good. Another move is to use Sykes as an emergency s/o when Evans is fit.[/quote] [/quote] Don't worry Wibsey it was more of a suggestion than anything that's remotely likely to happen. Surely we can voice an opinion on what we would like to see , if only as a topic for discussion??[/quote] Not on this board you cant, you cant say anything what might upset people.[/quote] Your right of course LJ. Forums are meant to be a place to discuss such things and I in no way would try to tell Macca how to do his job. However, I have an opinion as to how I would like to see the side....others just like to be sarcastic!! (We can take it)[/quote] I know Haitch, I know.
haitch wrote:
LeagueJunkie!!! wrote: haitch wrote: WIPSI wrote: Yet another candidate for the Bulls coaching job if it becomes available.I would play Platt at fullback and Halley on the wing using Evans as a utility threequarter. I would try to sign a decent prop on loan and get Burgess out of that front row which IMO is doing him no good. Another move is to use Sykes as an emergency s/o when Evans is fit.
Don't worry Wibsey it was more of a suggestion than anything that's remotely likely to happen. Surely we can voice an opinion on what we would like to see , if only as a topic for discussion??
Not on this board you cant, you cant say anything what might upset people.
Your right of course LJ. Forums are meant to be a place to discuss such things and I in no way would try to tell Macca how to do his job. However, I have an opinion as to how I would like to see the side....others just like to be sarcastic!! (We can take it)
I know Haitch, I know.
Posted by: cj on 1:26am Tue 6 May 08
[quote][bold]haitch[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]doctor.t[/bold] wrote: Quote - "Leeds have got speed and if they get outside you they will finish you off.We knew about this and worked on it." Well,all I can say is that no-one must have told Toupou,whose defensive positional play gifted Leeds two tries immediately after the break - game over!! It showed just how important James Evans is to the team. I'm with those who say Toupou should be released,immediately . The Catalans C.C. game is now looking immense. [/quote] I'm not sure of the contract lengths of Toupou and Nero but is it really necessary to pay these blokes wages? There has to be a standard below which we are not prepared to go and these two must be well below it!![/quote] how many games have you actually watched haitch? nero has done a pretty fair job so far, not outstanding, but then again no one has so far. i agree about tupou but not nero.
haitch wrote:
doctor.t wrote: Quote - "Leeds have got speed and if they get outside you they will finish you off.We knew about this and worked on it." Well,all I can say is that no-one must have told Toupou,whose defensive positional play gifted Leeds two tries immediately after the break - game over!! It showed just how important James Evans is to the team. I'm with those who say Toupou should be released,immediately . The Catalans C.C. game is now looking immense.
I'm not sure of the contract lengths of Toupou and Nero but is it really necessary to pay these blokes wages? There has to be a standard below which we are not prepared to go and these two must be well below it!!
how many games have you actually watched haitch? nero has done a pretty fair job so far, not outstanding, but then again no one has so far. i agree about tupou but not nero.
Posted by: haitch, Lincolnshire on 9:59am Tue 6 May 08
[quote][bold]cj[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]haitch[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]doctor.t[/bold] wrote: Quote - "Leeds have got speed and if they get outside you they will finish you off.We knew about this and worked on it." Well,all I can say is that no-one must have told Toupou,whose defensive positional play gifted Leeds two tries immediately after the break - game over!! It showed just how important James Evans is to the team. I'm with those who say Toupou should be released,immediately . The Catalans C.C. game is now looking immense. [/quote] I'm not sure of the contract lengths of Toupou and Nero but is it really necessary to pay these blokes wages? There has to be a standard below which we are not prepared to go and these two must be well below it!![/quote] how many games have you actually watched haitch? nero has done a pretty fair job so far, not outstanding, but then again no one has so far. i agree about tupou but not nero. [/quote] I think 'pretty fair' sums up Nero and maybe one or two others and that's the problem. I've watched the sky games this term and read the press and listened to radio commentary. Not one match where Nero was singled out for praise for a movement ,a pass or a tackle. Yes cj You will have seen more games than me this year. Seems like that doesn't help you to see it as it is though.
cj wrote:
haitch wrote: doctor.t wrote: Quote - "Leeds have got speed and if they get outside you they will finish you off.We knew about this and worked on it." Well,all I can say is that no-one must have told Toupou,whose defensive positional play gifted Leeds two tries immediately after the break - game over!! It showed just how important James Evans is to the team. I'm with those who say Toupou should be released,immediately . The Catalans C.C. game is now looking immense.
I'm not sure of the contract lengths of Toupou and Nero but is it really necessary to pay these blokes wages? There has to be a standard below which we are not prepared to go and these two must be well below it!!
how many games have you actually watched haitch? nero has done a pretty fair job so far, not outstanding, but then again no one has so far. i agree about tupou but not nero.
I think 'pretty fair' sums up Nero and maybe one or two others and that's the problem. I've watched the sky games this term and read the press and listened to radio commentary. Not one match where Nero was singled out for praise for a movement ,a pass or a tackle. Yes cj You will have seen more games than me this year. Seems like that doesn't help you to see it as it is though.
Posted by: Adrian, Bradford on 11:36am Tue 6 May 08
I think we're overlooking one vital fact. Ok we lost, but for 40mins we were the better side, if it hadn't been for some dubious defending at the start of the 2nd half we would have sneaked it. I think Tupou is poor on the wing, very poor infact. We went in against Leeds to play Tupou as a prop and he would probably be better served there as his fringe defence is questionable. But other than that, we didn't do much wrong. I have to say (without slating) Harris is done at stand-off. He's trying to get going, he trying to side step but in the end pace is the key we're lacking.
As for Halley, I still think he's the best fb we've got. Even playing Platt on the wing would be better than disrupting and knocking Halley's confidence. He didn't do anything wrong and his "knock-on" was a very suspect call considering he never touched the ball.
Bottom line, we're lacking punch in the middle. Newton is too hit and miss, Godwin plays better from the start. Burgess is being used a battering ram and it's a wasted talent. Langley can tackle but can't bust one this year, Sol needs to get fit because he's spending too much time on the bench and we need and I mean NEED a winger. Evans is a quality player but is wasted on the wing. He's a better centre and has played SO at Canberra. I'd be tempted to give him a shot there, he can only speed up the middle of the park.
I think we're overlooking one vital fact. Ok we lost, but for 40mins we were the better side, if it hadn't been for some dubious defending at the start of the 2nd half we would have sneaked it. I think Tupou is poor on the wing, very poor infact. We went in against Leeds to play Tupou as a prop and he would probably be better served there as his fringe defence is questionable. But other than that, we didn't do much wrong. I have to say (without slating) Harris is done at stand-off. He's trying to get going, he trying to side step but in the end pace is the key we're lacking.
As for Halley, I still think he's the best fb we've got. Even playing Platt on the wing would be better than disrupting and knocking Halley's confidence. He didn't do anything wrong and his "knock-on" was a very suspect call considering he never touched the ball.
Bottom line, we're lacking punch in the middle. Newton is too hit and miss, Godwin plays better from the start. Burgess is being used a battering ram and it's a wasted talent. Langley can tackle but can't bust one this year, Sol needs to get fit because he's spending too much time on the bench and we need and I mean NEED a winger. Evans is a quality player but is wasted on the wing. He's a better centre and has played SO at Canberra. I'd be tempted to give him a shot there, he can only speed up the middle of the park.
Posted by: richard, cleckheaton on 11:39am Tue 6 May 08
"Not good enough " how very true that is.
"Not good enough " how very true that is.
Posted by: wibseyrl, Wibsey on 11:49am Tue 6 May 08
i thought halley was solid in this game, he did what he could and its not his fault some shoddy defending cost us the game i agree that platt should be put on the wing(if evans is out) as it would knock halleys confidence and ok he might not break many tackles yet but when he catches the ball he makes 20 -30 metres with his returns.
burgess looks tired and needs a break before the play offs.
harris is past it.
tupou - well he is no winger, try him at prop and see what he does, if crap then get rid of him.
solomona wasnt interested in the 2nd half n maybe its cos of fitness.
i know we cant use ifs or buts, however if evans didnt get injured we would have won the game in the 2nd half!
i thought halley was solid in this game, he did what he could and its not his fault some shoddy defending cost us the game i agree that platt should be put on the wing(if evans is out) as it would knock halleys confidence and ok he might not break many tackles yet but when he catches the ball he makes 20 -30 metres with his returns.
burgess looks tired and needs a break before the play offs.
harris is past it.
tupou - well he is no winger, try him at prop and see what he does, if crap then get rid of him.
solomona wasnt interested in the 2nd half n maybe its cos of fitness.
i know we cant use ifs or buts, however if evans didnt get injured we would have won the game in the 2nd half!
Posted by: cj on 10:37am Thu 8 May 08
i try to look at the bigger picture haitch. a team isn't made up of all star running, try scoring players, a team needs the work horses, as radford and brian mcdermot were. they didn't set the game alight but were good solid players. that is how i see nero. lets face it radio commentators don't know which team has the ball half the time let alone which player so i don't think that can give an idea as to how a player is performing. so i do think i see it as it is, we aren't perfoming as we should, but to single out nero is wrong as there are players doing a hell of a lot worse than he is.
i try to look at the bigger picture haitch. a team isn't made up of all star running, try scoring players, a team needs the work horses, as radford and brian mcdermot were. they didn't set the game alight but were good solid players. that is how i see nero. lets face it radio commentators don't know which team has the ball half the time let alone which player so i don't think that can give an idea as to how a player is performing. so i do think i see it as it is, we aren't perfoming as we should, but to single out nero is wrong as there are players doing a hell of a lot worse than he is.
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