Bradford Bulls players paid this month's wages (From Bradford Telegraph and Argus)

Tatecastre wrote:
A non story, is it. Ok, I would advise who ever wins the bidding war to refuse to pay guilfoyle. See how he likes it. The man has no conscience, what so ever. Complains about the union, they have every right to make people, supporters aware of what is happening. I have, now nothing but utter contempt for the man.

Tatecastre wrote:
The same statement applies to the RFL, treating players, like this. Nothing but contempt. Are they trying to save the Bulls or not?

tyker2 wrote:
this failure is not one by the club but by the administrator himself. Perhaps he should take a long hard look at his own activities and let us know if, perchance, he has paid his own invoices!!

Liquidation is now the only option!!

Eddie Tees wrote:

Bacon Bantam wrote:

Tatecastre wrote: The same statement applies to the RFL, treating players, like this. Nothing but contempt. Are they trying to save the Bulls or not?

Once again, why is it up to the RFL to save the Bulls, they didn't create this mess. As the players are going to be paid this story helps no one.

As a number of people have stated - the players will be paid, the RFL have agreed to that. T&A working for Gargoyl and Voldermort Caisley here?. Trying to mix up trouble. Yes, a none story.
Disgusting way to treat the players though, who have been nothing short of amazing all through this sorry affair.
BB why do you hate the Bulls so much? I can only think it's jealousy because of the wonderfull support we get from the council and they did not want to know when it came to helping you!
Good to see the sporting section of our community supporting each other!

Eddie Tees wrote:

Bacon Bantam wrote:

Tatecastre wrote: The same statement applies to the RFL, treating players, like this. Nothing but contempt. Are they trying to save the Bulls or not?

Once again, why is it up to the RFL to save the Bulls, they didn't create this mess. As the players are going to be paid this story helps no one.

As a number of people have stated - the players will be paid, the RFL have agreed to that. T&A working for Gargoyl and Voldermort Caisley here?. Trying to mix up trouble. Yes, a none story.
Disgusting way to treat the players though, who have been nothing short of amazing all through this sorry affair.
BB why do you hate the Bulls so much? I can only think it's jealousy because of the wonderfull support we get from the council and they did not want to know when it came to helping you!
Good to see the sporting section of our community supporting each other!

Mumby was the best wrote:
Wow I don`t believe it, Criticise the T&A and it gets removed!!! Yet certain posters say allsorts of vile things to get peoples reactions and they stay.

Eddie Tees wrote:

Bacon Bantam wrote:

Tatecastre wrote: The same statement applies to the RFL, treating players, like this. Nothing but contempt. Are they trying to save the Bulls or not?

Once again, why is it up to the RFL to save the Bulls, they didn't create this mess. As the players are going to be paid this story helps no one.

As a number of people have stated - the players will be paid, the RFL have agreed to that. T&A working for Gargoyl and Voldermort Caisley here?. Trying to mix up trouble. Yes, a none story. Disgusting way to treat the players though, who have been nothing short of amazing all through this sorry affair. BB why do you hate the Bulls so much? I can only think it's jealousy because of the wonderfull support we get from the council and they did not want to know when it came to helping you! Good to see the sporting section of our community supporting each other!

yangyeight wrote:

Eddie Tees wrote:

Bacon Bantam wrote:

Tatecastre wrote: The same statement applies to the RFL, treating players, like this. Nothing but contempt. Are they trying to save the Bulls or not?

Once again, why is it up to the RFL to save the Bulls, they didn't create this mess. As the players are going to be paid this story helps no one.

As a number of people have stated - the players will be paid, the RFL have agreed to that. T&A working for Gargoyl and Voldermort Caisley here?. Trying to mix up trouble. Yes, a none story. Disgusting way to treat the players though, who have been nothing short of amazing all through this sorry affair. BB why do you hate the Bulls so much? I can only think it's jealousy because of the wonderfull support we get from the council and they did not want to know when it came to helping you! Good to see the sporting section of our community supporting each other!

i want the bulls to survive but yeah as a city fan it does irk that the council bend over backwards with MY TAXES to help one club and not ALL clubs. then people like you rub our noses in it and then wonder why some people do not like bulls!!

Bacon Bantam wrote:

Eddie Tees wrote:

Bacon Bantam wrote:

Tatecastre wrote: The same statement applies to the RFL, treating players, like this. Nothing but contempt. Are they trying to save the Bulls or not?

Once again, why is it up to the RFL to save the Bulls, they didn't create this mess. As the players are going to be paid this story helps no one.

As a number of people have stated - the players will be paid, the RFL have agreed to that. T&A working for Gargoyl and Voldermort Caisley here?. Trying to mix up trouble. Yes, a none story. Disgusting way to treat the players though, who have been nothing short of amazing all through this sorry affair. BB why do you hate the Bulls so much? I can only think it's jealousy because of the wonderfull support we get from the council and they did not want to know when it came to helping you! Good to see the sporting section of our community supporting each other!

I don't hate the Bulls. Just because I point out that the RFL are not at fault for the mess the Bulls find themselves in and that the job of an administrator is to find the best deal for creditors somehow I'm seen to hate the Bulls. I don't get it. What I don't like is the number of people on here who slate the administator and the RFL as if it is all their fault, they seem to think the club is owed something from these when in reality the club owes alot to the people at the RFL for still existing in some form as of today. I've seen this at VP twice and both times is was awful so I know what this feels like, I'm just sick of all the fans sniping at those who are actually trying to help. How many other super league clubs are having wages paid by the RFL? Be thankful of the help is all I say, not slate the helpers whenever you can.

Bacon Bantam wrote:
The T&A does itself no favours in creating headlines like this. Bulls players wages delayed is a more suitable headline but I guess it doesn't have the same effect.

Tricky Dicky wrote:
Again, get real some posters. The Bulls are in administration, one step away from liquidation. The administrator's job is to protect the creditors. If he cannot pay staff then he must make them redundant - that is his remit. The fact that he hasn't sacked or sold any of the playing staff can only be applauded. We all realise the game being played out here - the RFL want to ensure the Bulls see out the season (and they are keeping their fingers crossed that we don't make the play-offs!). After that, it's all over and has been for a while. No one is interested in saving Bradford Bulls plc. Some of the bids have been comical. As stated before, the Bulls should have been liquidated weeks ago and a newco given the chance to plan for next season (in a division of the Championship) and beyond. Many SL chairmen have already made their minds up that SL doesn't need the Bulls (at least not from next season onwards) so let's pull the plug NOW and let all the dirty water run away. Doing it after the final game of the season will just make everyone more cynical and suspicious of the RFL.

johnnyjones wrote:
Mr Blackburn taking over at the bulls would have perfect symmetry after all his company has left debts all over bradford and the bulls are just about to ... and just think who the bulls could play pre season with him in charge ... As mr Blackburn no longer owns any park avenue shares as he as sold them to kevin hainsworth how much longer will he be chief exec ..??? maybe he needs a new job

Mumby was the best wrote:
I know it is highly unlikely, maybe just possible. How much egg on their face would the RFL have if we got to the grand final? If we actually won would they have a championship side competing in the world club challenge bereft of SL players. I can dream!!!

billybobbull wrote:
I don't quite get all the doom and gloom. It seems this was just an oversight amid all the confusion, between the club and RFL. It is serious, but not the end of the world.
The offers are being discussed as I type, and hopefully we have resolution today or tomorrow. Please wait and see what comes out of the meetings today before putting us the Championship.
The RFL are bending over backwards to help us, don't forget that. Without their help we would have finished before Easter.
Players will be paid, new owner announced, whether temporary or permanent, and we will be in SL next year if all goes to plan!!!

Mumby was the best wrote:

billybobbull wrote: I don't quite get all the doom and gloom. It seems this was just an oversight amid all the confusion, between the club and RFL. It is serious, but not the end of the world. The offers are being discussed as I type, and hopefully we have resolution today or tomorrow. Please wait and see what comes out of the meetings today before putting us the Championship. The RFL are bending over backwards to help us, don't forget that. Without their help we would have finished before Easter. Players will be paid, new owner announced, whether temporary or permanent, and we will be in SL next year if all goes to plan!!!

I agree. If we were to be relegated at end of season it does not give much time to replace us with a team that has to rebuild. They could run it with 13 teams but I don`t think that will happen. Maybe relegation looms at the next round of licences.

Eddie Tees wrote:

Reality50 wrote: 3 more games left then kick them out of SL.Come back Halifax all is forgiven.

Come back Halifax? Long long time before they are fit for SL

Bacon Bantam wrote:

Eddie Tees wrote:

Bacon Bantam wrote:

Tatecastre wrote: The same statement applies to the RFL, treating players, like this. Nothing but contempt. Are they trying to save the Bulls or not?

Once again, why is it up to the RFL to save the Bulls, they didn't create this mess. As the players are going to be paid this story helps no one.

As a number of people have stated - the players will be paid, the RFL have agreed to that. T&A working for Gargoyl and Voldermort Caisley here?. Trying to mix up trouble. Yes, a none story. Disgusting way to treat the players though, who have been nothing short of amazing all through this sorry affair. BB why do you hate the Bulls so much? I can only think it's jealousy because of the wonderfull support we get from the council and they did not want to know when it came to helping you! Good to see the sporting section of our community supporting each other!

I don't hate the Bulls. Just because I point out that the RFL are not at fault for the mess the Bulls find themselves in and that the job of an administrator is to find the best deal for creditors somehow I'm seen to hate the Bulls.

I don't get it. What I don't like is the number of people on here who slate the administator and the RFL as if it is all their fault, they seem to think the club is owed something from these when in reality the club owes alot to the people at the RFL for still existing in some form as of today.

I've seen this at VP twice and both times is was awful so I know what this feels like, I'm just sick of all the fans sniping at those who are actually trying to help.

How many other super league clubs are having wages paid by the RFL? Be thankful of the help is all I say, not slate the helpers whenever you can.

scandanavian's love child52 wrote:
RFL would just let Ganson do final

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:

Eddie Tees wrote:

Reality50 wrote: 3 more games left then kick them out of SL.Come back Halifax all is forgiven.

Come back Halifax? Long long time before they are fit for SL

You don't see the irony in that remark as a Bulls fan. The Bulls are far from in a position to say who is and isn't fit for Super League.

Eddie Tees wrote:

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:

Eddie Tees wrote:

Reality50 wrote: 3 more games left then kick them out of SL.Come back Halifax all is forgiven.

Come back Halifax? Long long time before they are fit for SL

You don't see the irony in that remark as a Bulls fan. The Bulls are far from in a position to say who is and isn't fit for Super League.

Good to see you answering for other people now. Forgive me but I have no recollection of suggesting who should and should not be in SL. It is my opinion it will be a long time before Halifax are fit for SL with or without the Bulls - T@sser

raisemeup wrote:

Bacon Bantam wrote:

Eddie Tees wrote:

Bacon Bantam wrote:

Tatecastre wrote: The same statement applies to the RFL, treating players, like this. Nothing but contempt. Are they trying to save the Bulls or not?

Once again, why is it up to the RFL to save the Bulls, they didn't create this mess. As the players are going to be paid this story helps no one.

As a number of people have stated - the players will be paid, the RFL have agreed to that. T&A working for Gargoyl and Voldermort Caisley here?. Trying to mix up trouble. Yes, a none story. Disgusting way to treat the players though, who have been nothing short of amazing all through this sorry affair. BB why do you hate the Bulls so much? I can only think it's jealousy because of the wonderfull support we get from the council and they did not want to know when it came to helping you! Good to see the sporting section of our community supporting each other!

I don't hate the Bulls. Just because I point out that the RFL are not at fault for the mess the Bulls find themselves in and that the job of an administrator is to find the best deal for creditors somehow I'm seen to hate the Bulls. I don't get it. What I don't like is the number of people on here who slate the administator and the RFL as if it is all their fault, they seem to think the club is owed something from these when in reality the club owes alot to the people at the RFL for still existing in some form as of today. I've seen this at VP twice and both times is was awful so I know what this feels like, I'm just sick of all the fans sniping at those who are actually trying to help. How many other super league clubs are having wages paid by the RFL? Be thankful of the help is all I say, not slate the helpers whenever you can.

One or two misconceptions here? For a start the Money advanced to the Bulls. I understand is the SKY final payments under the present contractual arrangements.But in advance of the scheduled time to pay. And do you forget the 90% of all home games to be played at Odsal, and the Contingent liability clause that comes into the equation to the lease holder (ie RFL) which means the Bulls have to play 13 (12.6 for TVof Rs benefit) games at home, under our present 28 league game structure. That's what I assume the written words meant anyway... I remain to be totally convinced in the RFL as the benefactor you seem to think they are: Besides which , in the Negotiaters game. You do not take the side of the seller if you are the Buyer! And vice-a-versa. That's fatal if you want a good deal.> The only time sides can be taken is when a satisfactory deal is concluded. And remember that deal is to be conditional on both parties being happy with how it pans out, with mutual benefit all round. Notice I used the word conditional, swap that for concessions. Now you tell me from what we have heard have the RFL made any concessions? I admire the patience of the buyers...most buyers I have known would have walked out on the sellers, and reported them to the office of fair trading after suffering the contemt we seem to have heard. As they haven't taken this stance (to my knowledge anyway) we can only assume we are hearing a lot of flap doodle or shim sham, from many angles, and sources. May I ask.for a neutrality in our posts. We are only serving to add a lot of fuel to a fire that none of us lit. The blame game get's us nowhere.

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:

Eddie Tees wrote:

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:

Eddie Tees wrote:

Reality50 wrote: 3 more games left then kick them out of SL.Come back Halifax all is forgiven.

Come back Halifax? Long long time before they are fit for SL

You don't see the irony in that remark as a Bulls fan. The Bulls are far from in a position to say who is and isn't fit for Super League.

Good to see you answering for other people now. Forgive me but I have no recollection of suggesting who should and should not be in SL. It is my opinion it will be a long time before Halifax are fit for SL with or without the Bulls - T@sser

As it stands, Halifax are in a better situation to be a Super League team than the Bulls.

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:

Eddie Tees wrote:

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:

Eddie Tees wrote:

Reality50 wrote: 3 more games left then kick them out of SL.Come back Halifax all is forgiven.

Come back Halifax? Long long time before they are fit for SL

You don't see the irony in that remark as a Bulls fan. The Bulls are far from in a position to say who is and isn't fit for Super League.

Good to see you answering for other people now. Forgive me but I have no recollection of suggesting who should and should not be in SL. It is my opinion it will be a long time before Halifax are fit for SL with or without the Bulls - T@sser

As it stands, Halifax are in a better situation to be a Super League team than the Bulls.

Mumby was the best wrote:

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:

Eddie Tees wrote:

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:

Eddie Tees wrote:

Reality50 wrote: 3 more games left then kick them out of SL.Come back Halifax all is forgiven.

Come back Halifax? Long long time before they are fit for SL

You don't see the irony in that remark as a Bulls fan. The Bulls are far from in a position to say who is and isn't fit for Super League.

Good to see you answering for other people now. Forgive me but I have no recollection of suggesting who should and should not be in SL. It is my opinion it will be a long time before Halifax are fit for SL with or without the Bulls - T@sser

As it stands, Halifax are in a better situation to be a Super League team than the Bulls.

Pass me a new rib I just broke one laughing

Sheffieldbull wrote:

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:

Eddie Tees wrote:

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:

Eddie Tees wrote:

Reality50 wrote: 3 more games left then kick them out of SL.Come back Halifax all is forgiven.

Come back Halifax? Long long time before they are fit for SL

You don't see the irony in that remark as a Bulls fan. The Bulls are far from in a position to say who is and isn't fit for Super League.

Good to see you answering for other people now. Forgive me but I have no recollection of suggesting who should and should not be in SL. It is my opinion it will be a long time before Halifax are fit for SL with or without the Bulls - T@sser

As it stands, Halifax are in a better situation to be a Super League team than the Bulls.

And you know this how exactly? Is this based on the rumours that Fax showed a small operating profit 2010/11? Or your detailed knowledge of their players coupled with insight into their finances going forward? Please supply details or end your comment with 'IN MY OPINION'! Thank you.

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:

raisemeup wrote:

Bacon Bantam wrote:

Eddie Tees wrote:

Bacon Bantam wrote:

Tatecastre wrote: The same statement applies to the RFL, treating players, like this. Nothing but contempt. Are they trying to save the Bulls or not?

Once again, why is it up to the RFL to save the Bulls, they didn't create this mess. As the players are going to be paid this story helps no one.

As a number of people have stated - the players will be paid, the RFL have agreed to that. T&A working for Gargoyl and Voldermort Caisley here?. Trying to mix up trouble. Yes, a none story. Disgusting way to treat the players though, who have been nothing short of amazing all through this sorry affair. BB why do you hate the Bulls so much? I can only think it's jealousy because of the wonderfull support we get from the council and they did not want to know when it came to helping you! Good to see the sporting section of our community supporting each other!

I don't hate the Bulls. Just because I point out that the RFL are not at fault for the mess the Bulls find themselves in and that the job of an administrator is to find the best deal for creditors somehow I'm seen to hate the Bulls. I don't get it. What I don't like is the number of people on here who slate the administator and the RFL as if it is all their fault, they seem to think the club is owed something from these when in reality the club owes alot to the people at the RFL for still existing in some form as of today. I've seen this at VP twice and both times is was awful so I know what this feels like, I'm just sick of all the fans sniping at those who are actually trying to help. How many other super league clubs are having wages paid by the RFL? Be thankful of the help is all I say, not slate the helpers whenever you can.

One or two misconceptions here? For a start the Money advanced to the Bulls. I understand is the SKY final payments under the present contractual arrangements.But in advance of the scheduled time to pay. And do you forget the 90% of all home games to be played at Odsal, and the Contingent liability clause that comes into the equation to the lease holder (ie RFL) which means the Bulls have to play 13 (12.6 for TVof Rs benefit) games at home, under our present 28 league game structure. That's what I assume the written words meant anyway... I remain to be totally convinced in the RFL as the benefactor you seem to think they are: Besides which , in the Negotiaters game. You do not take the side of the seller if you are the Buyer! And vice-a-versa. That's fatal if you want a good deal.> The only time sides can be taken is when a satisfactory deal is concluded. And remember that deal is to be conditional on both parties being happy with how it pans out, with mutual benefit all round. Notice I used the word conditional, swap that for concessions. Now you tell me from what we have heard have the RFL made any concessions? I admire the patience of the buyers...most buyers I have known would have walked out on the sellers, and reported them to the office of fair trading after suffering the contemt we seem to have heard. As they haven't taken this stance (to my knowledge anyway) we can only assume we are hearing a lot of flap doodle or shim sham, from many angles, and sources. May I ask.for a neutrality in our posts. We are only serving to add a lot of fuel to a fire that none of us lit. The blame game get's us nowhere.

You do know the league is 27 games long and not 28. 13 at home, 13 away and 1 neutral magic weekend game.

raisemeup wrote:

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:

raisemeup wrote:

Bacon Bantam wrote:

Eddie Tees wrote:

Bacon Bantam wrote:

Tatecastre wrote: The same statement applies to the RFL, treating players, like this. Nothing but contempt. Are they trying to save the Bulls or not?

Once again, why is it up to the RFL to save the Bulls, they didn't create this mess. As the players are going to be paid this story helps no one.

As a number of people have stated - the players will be paid, the RFL have agreed to that. T&A working for Gargoyl and Voldermort Caisley here?. Trying to mix up trouble. Yes, a none story. Disgusting way to treat the players though, who have been nothing short of amazing all through this sorry affair. BB why do you hate the Bulls so much? I can only think it's jealousy because of the wonderfull support we get from the council and they did not want to know when it came to helping you! Good to see the sporting section of our community supporting each other!

I don't hate the Bulls. Just because I point out that the RFL are not at fault for the mess the Bulls find themselves in and that the job of an administrator is to find the best deal for creditors somehow I'm seen to hate the Bulls. I don't get it. What I don't like is the number of people on here who slate the administator and the RFL as if it is all their fault, they seem to think the club is owed something from these when in reality the club owes alot to the people at the RFL for still existing in some form as of today. I've seen this at VP twice and both times is was awful so I know what this feels like, I'm just sick of all the fans sniping at those who are actually trying to help. How many other super league clubs are having wages paid by the RFL? Be thankful of the help is all I say, not slate the helpers whenever you can.

One or two misconceptions here? For a start the Money advanced to the Bulls. I understand is the SKY final payments under the present contractual arrangements.But in advance of the scheduled time to pay. And do you forget the 90% of all home games to be played at Odsal, and the Contingent liability clause that comes into the equation to the lease holder (ie RFL) which means the Bulls have to play 13 (12.6 for TVof Rs benefit) games at home, under our present 28 league game structure. That's what I assume the written words meant anyway... I remain to be totally convinced in the RFL as the benefactor you seem to think they are: Besides which , in the Negotiaters game. You do not take the side of the seller if you are the Buyer! And vice-a-versa. That's fatal if you want a good deal.> The only time sides can be taken is when a satisfactory deal is concluded. And remember that deal is to be conditional on both parties being happy with how it pans out, with mutual benefit all round. Notice I used the word conditional, swap that for concessions. Now you tell me from what we have heard have the RFL made any concessions? I admire the patience of the buyers...most buyers I have known would have walked out on the sellers, and reported them to the office of fair trading after suffering the contemt we seem to have heard. As they haven't taken this stance (to my knowledge anyway) we can only assume we are hearing a lot of flap doodle or shim sham, from many angles, and sources. May I ask.for a neutrality in our posts. We are only serving to add a lot of fuel to a fire that none of us lit. The blame game get's us nowhere.

You do know the league is 27 games long and not 28. 13 at home, 13 away and 1 neutral magic weekend game.

I have a hair I wish you to split???? PS The league is 28 games long. Bradford Bulls theoretically had the home advantage and played in our home kit. No more pointless garbage please.

Sheffieldbull wrote:
Oh dear! There's going to be a major shortage of ribs at this rate! TVoR - priceless, what knowlege you do have - emm! None!

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:

raisemeup wrote:

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:

raisemeup wrote:

Bacon Bantam wrote:

Eddie Tees wrote:

Bacon Bantam wrote:

Tatecastre wrote: The same statement applies to the RFL, treating players, like this. Nothing but contempt. Are they trying to save the Bulls or not?

Once again, why is it up to the RFL to save the Bulls, they didn't create this mess. As the players are going to be paid this story helps no one.

As a number of people have stated - the players will be paid, the RFL have agreed to that. T&A working for Gargoyl and Voldermort Caisley here?. Trying to mix up trouble. Yes, a none story. Disgusting way to treat the players though, who have been nothing short of amazing all through this sorry affair. BB why do you hate the Bulls so much? I can only think it's jealousy because of the wonderfull support we get from the council and they did not want to know when it came to helping you! Good to see the sporting section of our community supporting each other!

I don't hate the Bulls. Just because I point out that the RFL are not at fault for the mess the Bulls find themselves in and that the job of an administrator is to find the best deal for creditors somehow I'm seen to hate the Bulls. I don't get it. What I don't like is the number of people on here who slate the administator and the RFL as if it is all their fault, they seem to think the club is owed something from these when in reality the club owes alot to the people at the RFL for still existing in some form as of today. I've seen this at VP twice and both times is was awful so I know what this feels like, I'm just sick of all the fans sniping at those who are actually trying to help. How many other super league clubs are having wages paid by the RFL? Be thankful of the help is all I say, not slate the helpers whenever you can.

One or two misconceptions here? For a start the Money advanced to the Bulls. I understand is the SKY final payments under the present contractual arrangements.But in advance of the scheduled time to pay. And do you forget the 90% of all home games to be played at Odsal, and the Contingent liability clause that comes into the equation to the lease holder (ie RFL) which means the Bulls have to play 13 (12.6 for TVof Rs benefit) games at home, under our present 28 league game structure. That's what I assume the written words meant anyway... I remain to be totally convinced in the RFL as the benefactor you seem to think they are: Besides which , in the Negotiaters game. You do not take the side of the seller if you are the Buyer! And vice-a-versa. That's fatal if you want a good deal.> The only time sides can be taken is when a satisfactory deal is concluded. And remember that deal is to be conditional on both parties being happy with how it pans out, with mutual benefit all round. Notice I used the word conditional, swap that for concessions. Now you tell me from what we have heard have the RFL made any concessions? I admire the patience of the buyers...most buyers I have known would have walked out on the sellers, and reported them to the office of fair trading after suffering the contemt we seem to have heard. As they haven't taken this stance (to my knowledge anyway) we can only assume we are hearing a lot of flap doodle or shim sham, from many angles, and sources. May I ask.for a neutrality in our posts. We are only serving to add a lot of fuel to a fire that none of us lit. The blame game get's us nowhere.

You do know the league is 27 games long and not 28. 13 at home, 13 away and 1 neutral magic weekend game.

I have a hair I wish you to split???? PS The league is 28 games long. Bradford Bulls theoretically had the home advantage and played in our home kit. No more pointless garbage please.

The league is 27 games long.

There have been 24 games played and the Bulls have 3 games left, Huddersfield, Hull and Catalans.

Thats 27 games. Where is this 28th game you refer to?

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:

Sheffieldbull wrote:
Oh dear! There's going to be a major shortage of ribs at this rate! TVoR - priceless, what knowlege you do have - emm! None!

I know the league season is 27 games long, which appears to be more than some know.

Sheffieldbull wrote:

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:

Sheffieldbull wrote: Oh dear! There's going to be a major shortage of ribs at this rate! TVoR - priceless, what knowlege you do have - emm! None!

I know the league season is 27 games long, which appears to be more than some know.

Wow! very good you pedant, we'll leave the counting to you, in turn, you leave SL comment to others that talk outta their mouths, if you get what i mean?

Eddie Tees wrote:

Mumby was the best wrote:

billybobbull wrote: I don't quite get all the doom and gloom. It seems this was just an oversight amid all the confusion, between the club and RFL. It is serious, but not the end of the world. The offers are being discussed as I type, and hopefully we have resolution today or tomorrow. Please wait and see what comes out of the meetings today before putting us the Championship. The RFL are bending over backwards to help us, don't forget that. Without their help we would have finished before Easter. Players will be paid, new owner announced, whether temporary or permanent, and we will be in SL next year if all goes to plan!!!

I agree. If we were to be relegated at end of season it does not give much time to replace us with a team that has to rebuild. They could run it with 13 teams but I don`t think that will happen. Maybe relegation looms at the next round of licences.

Who knows, when it comes to the next round of licencing we will hopefully be in a much stronger posission then.

bartsbull wrote:
I have said it from day one this man as a hidden agenda please get this mess sorted out

The players need to be kept informed at all times they have been fantastic for the club in these very hard times as have the staff who have carried on working without pay

I would not blame any of them if they walked away from the club this man as not treated them with respect

I understand that the administrator as to keep a tight reign but he also as a duty of care to any staff still employed by the club.

To me he as broken that duty of care by not informing the staff in person what was happening not everyone as e mails

We need to look after these people they have not broken there contracts by not turning up to play and i would hope they carry on playing as they are thing like this do not give a good impression to anyone

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
It's based on the fact that the Bulls are out with their begging bowl and have been since March and are in administration, infact the Cougars are in a better position at present to compete in Super League than the Bulls currently are.

It's fact.

After a takeover maybe the Bulls will be capable of being a Super League club but as of today they aren't.

scandanavian's love child52 wrote:
The voice of reason is exactly that not the voice of a blinkered 10 year old like some on here. Grow up and debate without insulting and having a go and if thats too hard turn cartoons back on.

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:

raisemeup wrote:

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:

raisemeup wrote:

Bacon Bantam wrote:

Eddie Tees wrote:

Bacon Bantam wrote:

Tatecastre wrote: The same statement applies to the RFL, treating players, like this. Nothing but contempt. Are they trying to save the Bulls or not?

Once again, why is it up to the RFL to save the Bulls, they didn't create this mess. As the players are going to be paid this story helps no one.

As a number of people have stated - the players will be paid, the RFL have agreed to that. T&A working for Gargoyl and Voldermort Caisley here?. Trying to mix up trouble. Yes, a none story. Disgusting way to treat the players though, who have been nothing short of amazing all through this sorry affair. BB why do you hate the Bulls so much? I can only think it's jealousy because of the wonderfull support we get from the council and they did not want to know when it came to helping you! Good to see the sporting section of our community supporting each other!

I don't hate the Bulls. Just because I point out that the RFL are not at fault for the mess the Bulls find themselves in and that the job of an administrator is to find the best deal for creditors somehow I'm seen to hate the Bulls. I don't get it. What I don't like is the number of people on here who slate the administator and the RFL as if it is all their fault, they seem to think the club is owed something from these when in reality the club owes alot to the people at the RFL for still existing in some form as of today. I've seen this at VP twice and both times is was awful so I know what this feels like, I'm just sick of all the fans sniping at those who are actually trying to help. How many other super league clubs are having wages paid by the RFL? Be thankful of the help is all I say, not slate the helpers whenever you can.

One or two misconceptions here? For a start the Money advanced to the Bulls. I understand is the SKY final payments under the present contractual arrangements.But in advance of the scheduled time to pay. And do you forget the 90% of all home games to be played at Odsal, and the Contingent liability clause that comes into the equation to the lease holder (ie RFL) which means the Bulls have to play 13 (12.6 for TVof Rs benefit) games at home, under our present 28 league game structure. That's what I assume the written words meant anyway... I remain to be totally convinced in the RFL as the benefactor you seem to think they are: Besides which , in the Negotiaters game. You do not take the side of the seller if you are the Buyer! And vice-a-versa. That's fatal if you want a good deal.> The only time sides can be taken is when a satisfactory deal is concluded. And remember that deal is to be conditional on both parties being happy with how it pans out, with mutual benefit all round. Notice I used the word conditional, swap that for concessions. Now you tell me from what we have heard have the RFL made any concessions? I admire the patience of the buyers...most buyers I have known would have walked out on the sellers, and reported them to the office of fair trading after suffering the contemt we seem to have heard. As they haven't taken this stance (to my knowledge anyway) we can only assume we are hearing a lot of flap doodle or shim sham, from many angles, and sources. May I ask.for a neutrality in our posts. We are only serving to add a lot of fuel to a fire that none of us lit. The blame game get's us nowhere.

You do know the league is 27 games long and not 28. 13 at home, 13 away and 1 neutral magic weekend game.

I have a hair I wish you to split???? PS The league is 28 games long. Bradford Bulls theoretically had the home advantage and played in our home kit. No more pointless garbage please.

The league is 27 games long.

There have been 24 games played and the Bulls have 3 games left, Huddersfield, Hull and Catalans.

Thats 27 games. Where is this 28th game you refer to?

O ye of little faith wrote:
I think that Raise Me Up has got the situation correct the money from the RFL to fund the players wages is advance payment from the Sky payments,so its good of them to pay it now but they will be getting the money back from Sky eventually.On another subject has anyone tried to purchase tickets for Sundays game from Odsal?I did today and was told that Huddersfield havent supplied any and you can only buy tickets through the Giants ticket office or on line by their web site! If you dont buy in advance by this method the price will increase by £3 on match day.Why they couldnt provide tickets as they normally do is beyond me or did they announce this earlier and I missed it?

Sheffieldbull wrote:

scandanavian's love child52 wrote:
The voice of reason is exactly that not the voice of a blinkered 10 year old like some on here. Grow up and debate without insulting and having a go and if thats too hard turn cartoons back on.

Care to explain where these direct quotes fit into the debate?

scandanavian's love child52 says...
9:15am Tue 14 Aug 12
He will be back. I am my own person mumby as you know it seems to be you attached to the back end of a viking.

scandanavian's love child52 says...
1:05pm Mon 13 Aug 12
A decent contribution 1 game out of 10 not worth the money, and he has the worst hair in the league.

scandanavian's love child52 says...
3:31pm Mon 13 Aug 12
Shall I reply twice as your dementia has made you double post ? Be nice viking its not big or clever ( a bit like your good self )

scandanavian's love child52 says...
4:33pm Mon 13 Aug 12
Ha ha a bite yet again, must be better than hospital food old timer.

scandanavian's love child52 says...
10:49am Tuescandanavian's love child52 says...
6:26am Tue 14 Aug 12
Aww didums I am off to tell teacher, another in the viking mould of not being able to take it. Log off and dont come back is what I say.
14 Aug 12
I am my own man Mumby lad so get back to the Viking flock.
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Sad, ain't you?

raisemeup wrote:

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
It's based on the fact that the Bulls are out with their begging bowl and have been since March and are in administration, infact the Cougars are in a better position at present to compete in Super League than the Bulls currently are.

It's fact.

After a takeover maybe the Bulls will be capable of being a Super League club but as of today they aren't.

Did you not know the Cougars did not pay the players on time due to a temporary cash flow problem. Caused by the fact they only had one home game in July, according to their chairman.
I have a lot of sympathy with them as the Bulls didn't have one home game in May, only the two in June and only one in July (in fact in 12 weeks they had only 3 home games at Odsal (we know about the Magic weekend, which, takes time for the revenue to reach the clubs via the RFL.)
It appears the same fixture planners are at it in Championship1, but to a less extent than in the top echelon!

You forget TVof NP, that the Super League license runs for another two years, and as not been revoked.
Therefore the Bulls are for the foreseeable future a Super League club.

Halifax would not thank you for sticking your nose into their affairs.

I can tell you that catergorically.
They have a further two years before they can apply for a Super League licence. That is their business plan, they would be foolish to jump the gun.

If the Bulls had to have their licence revoked, which would be totally unprecedented if the Club is purchased, as they have already been docked six points for going into administration. Which is theoretically the total punishment, without a further alteration to the laws in 2013.

So mull that over?

I won't bother to read up on the rules of licencing when I have a clerk to do it fo me> I can assume you will pore over the rule book now until the early hours??

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:

raisemeup wrote:

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
It's based on the fact that the Bulls are out with their begging bowl and have been since March and are in administration, infact the Cougars are in a better position at present to compete in Super League than the Bulls currently are.

It's fact.

After a takeover maybe the Bulls will be capable of being a Super League club but as of today they aren't.

Did you not know the Cougars did not pay the players on time due to a temporary cash flow problem. Caused by the fact they only had one home game in July, according to their chairman.
I have a lot of sympathy with them as the Bulls didn't have one home game in May, only the two in June and only one in July (in fact in 12 weeks they had only 3 home games at Odsal (we know about the Magic weekend, which, takes time for the revenue to reach the clubs via the RFL.)
It appears the same fixture planners are at it in Championship1, but to a less extent than in the top echelon!

You forget TVof NP, that the Super League license runs for another two years, and as not been revoked.
Therefore the Bulls are for the foreseeable future a Super League club.

Halifax would not thank you for sticking your nose into their affairs.

I can tell you that catergorically.
They have a further two years before they can apply for a Super League licence. That is their business plan, they would be foolish to jump the gun.

If the Bulls had to have their licence revoked, which would be totally unprecedented if the Club is purchased, as they have already been docked six points for going into administration. Which is theoretically the total punishment, without a further alteration to the laws in 2013.

So mull that over?

I won't bother to read up on the rules of licencing when I have a clerk to do it fo me> I can assume you will pore over the rule book now until the early hours??

No need to pour over the rule book as there was a direct quote from the RFL a weeks or so ago stating they can revoke the licence.

Then again you don't even know how many league games there is so there is no suprise you missed that.

malkybronco wrote:
If the bulls are relegated to the championship How much will all the other 13 teams lose Bull followers add approx £50,000 in gate receipts Are the RFL going to pay this?

Bacon Bantam wrote:

malkybronco wrote:
If the bulls are relegated to the championship How much will all the other 13 teams lose Bull followers add approx £50,000 in gate receipts Are the RFL going to pay this?

That esitate is fairly high, Thats like saying the Bulls take 2,500 to each away game at £20 a time.

Appart from Leeds, how often do the Bulls take more than 2,000 away from home?

raisemeup wrote:

Bacon Bantam wrote:

malkybronco wrote: If the bulls are relegated to the championship How much will all the other 13 teams lose Bull followers add approx £50,000 in gate receipts Are the RFL going to pay this?

That esitate is fairly high, Thats like saying the Bulls take 2,500 to each away game at £20 a time. Appart from Leeds, how often do the Bulls take more than 2,000 away from home?

As the Leeds reported figure was 3500, it could realistically be between 1800 to 2500. But who knows really, so many variables with each game, its only something you can tell on the day. But one thing is certain, that any team playing one of the iconic sides in the league of the 13 others, ( that's a specific for TVof NP) is usually guaranteed a better crowd from their own supporter base. Which of course makes Malky's comment viable. And how will the rfl get round this embarassment, if they had to take the draconian step of revoking a licence? If the club was purchased and on an even financial footing once more. Time and the oracle will tell??

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:

raisemeup wrote:

Bacon Bantam wrote:

malkybronco wrote: If the bulls are relegated to the championship How much will all the other 13 teams lose Bull followers add approx £50,000 in gate receipts Are the RFL going to pay this?

That esitate is fairly high, Thats like saying the Bulls take 2,500 to each away game at £20 a time. Appart from Leeds, how often do the Bulls take more than 2,000 away from home?

As the Leeds reported figure was 3500, it could realistically be between 1800 to 2500. But who knows really, so many variables with each game, its only something you can tell on the day. But one thing is certain, that any team playing one of the iconic sides in the league of the 13 others, ( that's a specific for TVof NP) is usually guaranteed a better crowd from their own supporter base. Which of course makes Malky's comment viable. And how will the rfl get round this embarassment, if they had to take the draconian step of revoking a licence? If the club was purchased and on an even financial footing once more. Time and the oracle will tell??

You theory once again doesn't stack up.

From 4 different sides here are the attendances v the iconic Bradford side and the non iconic Wakefield side. There isn't much difference.

Saints v Bradford 13025
Saint v Wakefield 13177

Warrington v Bradford 10750
Warrington v Wakefield 10686

Hull v Bradford 11673
Hull v Wakefield 11105

London v Bradford 2844
London v Wakefield 2268

There isn't much evidence that the Bulls draw in massive crowds in regular games verses other teams and Bacon Bantam has a point in saying the £50k estimate is well over the top.

You see debate is all about looking at something and breaking it down, many people are just quoting numbers and expect them to pass off as fact without question.

14k average gates, 28 games a season, £50k loss for each club if there is no Bradford, etc, etc.

Once again no doubt I'll be jumped all over for bringing some actual facts to the table even though they can be backed up over those just quoted on a whim with no back up.

This season I'll be suprised if the Bulls took 2000 away from home more than 3 times. Once v Leeds, one v Wigan when this trouble kicked off, I guess before then the travelling support would have been on par with the previous years and possibly this weekend v Huddersfield.

malkybronco wrote:
If the bulls are relegated to the championship How much will all the other 13 teams lose Bull followers add approx £50,000 in gate receipts Are the RFL going to pay this?

Mumby was the best wrote:
Why VoR are you on this forum? You are a Cougars fan, if you were a true Bulls fan I could get into discussion with you but you are not.Go on a Cougars site and bore the pants off them with your pedantic posts. I`m sure if you look thru the classifieds you can find a job for a vertical or horizontal BORER

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:

Mumby was the best wrote:
Why VoR are you on this forum? You are a Cougars fan, if you were a true Bulls fan I could get into discussion with you but you are not.Go on a Cougars site and bore the pants off them with your pedantic posts. I`m sure if you look thru the classifieds you can find a job for a vertical or horizontal BORER

I'm not a cougars fan though I do have a soft spot for them and will go watch them.

What I don't like is the throwing around of quotes which have no truth to them in order to try get a point across.

It seems once again when facts are thrown into a discussion the person bringing the facts to the table is just attacked.

Once again this all started with stupid comments from Bulls fans stating Halifax don't deserve a place in Super League and the League can't afford to go without the Bulls.

As it stands Halifax have done nothing wrong but to continue in the league they are in after being knocked back for a Super League licence, Bradford on the other hand who were given a licence have gone on and caused no end of headaches for the Super League and the RFL.

Realistically going back the RFL should have been stronger and said these figures don't add up and been much more scrutising in the award of Super League licences because it's clear as day that the Bulls were not in a position to fufil the 3 year of a licence when they were awarded it.

Halifax on the other hand have just got on with their business.

Like someone has just posted above, no club is bigger than the League or the Sport but it seems many still don't realise this and quote stupid figures plucked from thin air to try back up that view, when looked at closer as I have provided don't stack up.

I want to see the Bulls in Super League next season but it's embarrassing seeing some thinking it's their god given right to be a super league team no matter how badly the club has been run.

New Hall Nev wrote:
how come Bradford given special treetment when Wakey had to go it alone and pay there own way out of trouble yet Bradford getting all wages payed by the rest of clubs I hope we get to playoffs intsead of you it would be a lot fairer if we did.

Mumby was the best wrote:

New Hall Nev wrote:
how come Bradford given special treetment when Wakey had to go it alone and pay there own way out of trouble yet Bradford getting all wages payed by the rest of clubs I hope we get to playoffs intsead of you it would be a lot fairer if we did.

Because we can spell treatment, paid and instead.

New Hall Nev wrote:

Mumby was the best wrote:

New Hall Nev wrote:
how come Bradford given special treetment when Wakey had to go it alone and pay there own way out of trouble yet Bradford getting all wages payed by the rest of clubs I hope we get to playoffs intsead of you it would be a lot fairer if we did.

Because we can spell treatment, paid and instead.

so what if my spelling int great you know im right in what I say Wakey will make the playoffs and you wont Agar is coach of the year without cheating hahaha

Sheffieldbull wrote:

New Hall Nev wrote:

Mumby was the best wrote:

New Hall Nev wrote:
how come Bradford given special treetment when Wakey had to go it alone and pay there own way out of trouble yet Bradford getting all wages payed by the rest of clubs I hope we get to playoffs intsead of you it would be a lot fairer if we did.

Because we can spell treatment, paid and instead.

so what if my spelling int great you know im right in what I say Wakey will make the playoffs and you wont Agar is coach of the year without cheating hahaha

Int it good yous no's how to press t' buttons Nev? Lock down time soon eh?