Bradford Bulls ace Burgess: It’s a dream come true to join my three brothers in Australia (From Bradford Telegraph and Argus)

DerbyBull wrote:
I wish him all the best it was always on the cards but just a small point, I thought that the playeres could not speak to other clubs until the club came out of admin ? and that once the SLE takeover was complete the players could speak to other clubs ?????

Wots up wrote:

DerbyBull wrote: I wish him all the best it was always on the cards but just a small point, I thought that the playeres could not speak to other clubs until the club came out of admin ? and that once the SLE takeover was complete the players could speak to other clubs ?????

I think that is in line with what has previously been quoted in the press. Just in case you didn't know you shouldn't believe everything/if anything that is quoted in the press. I think the sorry saga of the Bulls confirms this!!

DerbyBull wrote:

Wots up wrote:

DerbyBull wrote: I wish him all the best it was always on the cards but just a small point, I thought that the playeres could not speak to other clubs until the club came out of admin ? and that once the SLE takeover was complete the players could speak to other clubs ?????

I think that is in line with what has previously been quoted in the press. Just in case you didn't know you shouldn't believe everything/if anything that is quoted in the press. I think the sorry saga of the Bulls confirms this!!

It really is beyond a joke now,This came from BlakeSolly at the meeting with BullBuilder.....it's quite clear to me that all the players have been speaking with other clubs from day one....Even if by some miracle we manage to stay in SL it will be too late to buy players and we will be rooted to the bottom of the table for some years to come....with relegation on the horizon we are in trouble anyway..........For goodness sake will someone come out and tell the truth to the fans.

flashdonut wrote:

DerbyBull wrote:

Wots up wrote:

DerbyBull wrote: I wish him all the best it was always on the cards but just a small point, I thought that the playeres could not speak to other clubs until the club came out of admin ? and that once the SLE takeover was complete the players could speak to other clubs ?????

I think that is in line with what has previously been quoted in the press. Just in case you didn't know you shouldn't believe everything/if anything that is quoted in the press. I think the sorry saga of the Bulls confirms this!!

It really is beyond a joke now,This came from BlakeSolly at the meeting with BullBuilder.....it's quite clear to me that all the players have been speaking with other clubs from day one....Even if by some miracle we manage to stay in SL it will be too late to buy players and we will be rooted to the bottom of the table for some years to come....with relegation on the horizon we are in trouble anyway..........For goodness sake will someone come out and tell the truth to the fans.

Players that are out of contract, regarless what club, can speak to other clubs from the 1st July.
.
This is the rule for all teams.

Prycey wrote:
With Jeffries and lots of others going we are about to face another massive rebuilding process. It will give the young lads such as Southernwood a chance. We need to prepare ourselves for another 5 years of either being at bottom of SL or a complete rebuild in lower leagues - if we do actually survive being relegated. I have started to accept it and I am sure that once the pain of all this is over we will have a future but it may be decades before we get to the top again. I have also come to the conclusion that we probably do deserve to be moved down a division and give one of the others a chance. Promotion and relegation could be our saviour in the long term if brought back.

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
An icon brand, now I have heard it all.

raisemeup wrote:

Prycey wrote:
With Jeffries and lots of others going we are about to face another massive rebuilding process. It will give the young lads such as Southernwood a chance. We need to prepare ourselves for another 5 years of either being at bottom of SL or a complete rebuild in lower leagues - if we do actually survive being relegated. I have started to accept it and I am sure that once the pain of all this is over we will have a future but it may be decades before we get to the top again. I have also come to the conclusion that we probably do deserve to be moved down a division and give one of the others a chance. Promotion and relegation could be our saviour in the long term if brought back.

You are right on a number of points there Prycey..but in the opinion of many> promotion and relegation will not be the saviour of Super league clubs.
For example a club has to have massive investment to join SL, then face a season of building...and when that team is at the bottom of SL. it's relegated and some other unprepared team comes up to be the whipping boy all over again.
It's a self perpetuating nightmare!

Promotion and Relegation works only in the lower divisions and then it's a hard slog but achievable...it won't work in SL in just one season. At least a 3 year licence (for all it's flaws) gives them a chance to build.

If after that the promoted club hasn't made it, then the P& R is OK providing the club vying for Promotion from the lower division has shown a consistency in building for Super League over those 3 years. How unfair would it be to Widnes to say after one season they are to be relegated . It's as unfair as it is to the Bulls to say because we had some poor management , the whole club should be punished, when we have the opportunity (not listened to as yet) to put it right. Are we to be made part of this great experiment (if that's what it is!)of reducing the clubs in SL to 12, and who will be the number 2 club to go, in this experiment? Not many will put their hands up I'm sure, and that may be why they have backed us, I think? With the exception of a few shortsighted clubs, who probably think their crowd will increase as will their SKY payments without us , and the one other, as yet unamed club. If we go down I do not see a bright future in the short or medium term. The game will suffer with nearly 200,000 supporters being affected by our demise. Who amongst them will support other teams is not to be known, but do they (RFL)and us (Super League Clubs) want to find out?

And if I actually hear another comment to the effect that you have to feel sorry for the RFL? I say it's like having sympathy for the firing squad, because it's a job they have to do! However try telling that to the poor b...er, who's gonna be shot!

raisemeup wrote:

raisemeup wrote:

Prycey wrote: With Jeffries and lots of others going we are about to face another massive rebuilding process. It will give the young lads such as Southernwood a chance. We need to prepare ourselves for another 5 years of either being at bottom of SL or a complete rebuild in lower leagues - if we do actually survive being relegated. I have started to accept it and I am sure that once the pain of all this is over we will have a future but it may be decades before we get to the top again. I have also come to the conclusion that we probably do deserve to be moved down a division and give one of the others a chance. Promotion and relegation could be our saviour in the long term if brought back.

You are right on a number of points there Prycey..but in the opinion of many> promotion and relegation will not be the saviour of Super league clubs. For example a club has to have massive investment to join SL, then face a season of building...and when that team is at the bottom of SL. it's relegated and some other unprepared team comes up to be the whipping boy all over again. It's a self perpetuating nightmare! Promotion and Relegation works only in the lower divisions and then it's a hard slog but achievable...it won't work in SL in just one season. At least a 3 year licence (for all it's flaws) gives them a chance to build. If after that the promoted club hasn't made it, then the P& R is OK providing the club vying for Promotion from the lower division has shown a consistency in building for Super League over those 3 years. How unfair would it be to Widnes to say after one season they are to be relegated . It's as unfair as it is to the Bulls to say because we had some poor management , the whole club should be punished, when we have the opportunity (not listened to as yet) to put it right. Are we to be made part of this great experiment (if that's what it is!)of reducing the clubs in SL to 12, and who will be the number 2 club to go, in this experiment? Not many will put their hands up I'm sure, and that may be why they have backed us, I think? With the exception of a few shortsighted clubs, who probably think their crowd will increase as will their SKY payments without us , and the one other, as yet unamed club. If we go down I do not see a bright future in the short or medium term. The game will suffer with nearly 200,000 supporters being affected by our demise. Who amongst them will support other teams is not to be known, but do they (RFL)and us (Super League Clubs) want to find out? And if I actually hear another comment to the effect that you have to feel sorry for the RFL? I say it's like having sympathy for the firing squad, because it's a job they have to do! However try telling that to the poor b...er, who's gonna be shot!

Sorry not 200,000, that implies half of Bradford go to our games..what I mean is 14,000 x 14 home games as the "Supporter footfall " over a Season Of course the catchment on a national basis is unknown. But I reckon it is pretty substantial.

DerbyBull wrote:

Wots up wrote:

DerbyBull wrote: I wish him all the best it was always on the cards but just a small point, I thought that the playeres could not speak to other clubs until the club came out of admin ? and that once the SLE takeover was complete the players could speak to other clubs ?????

I think that is in line with what has previously been quoted in the press. Just in case you didn't know you shouldn't believe everything/if anything that is quoted in the press. I think the sorry saga of the Bulls confirms this!!

It really is beyond a joke now,This came from BlakeSolly at the meeting with BullBuilder.....it's quite clear to me that all the players have been speaking with other clubs from day one....Even if by some miracle we manage to stay in SL it will be too late to buy players and we will be rooted to the bottom of the table for some years to come....with relegation on the horizon we are in trouble anyway..........For goodness sake will someone come out and tell the truth to the fans.

Shelfrhino wrote:

DerbyBull wrote:

Wots up wrote:

DerbyBull wrote: I wish him all the best it was always on the cards but just a small point, I thought that the playeres could not speak to other clubs until the club came out of admin ? and that once the SLE takeover was complete the players could speak to other clubs ?????

I think that is in line with what has previously been quoted in the press. Just in case you didn't know you shouldn't believe everything/if anything that is quoted in the press. I think the sorry saga of the Bulls confirms this!!

It really is beyond a joke now,This came from BlakeSolly at the meeting with BullBuilder.....it's quite clear to me that all the players have been speaking with other clubs from day one....Even if by some miracle we manage to stay in SL it will be too late to buy players and we will be rooted to the bottom of the table for some years to come....with relegation on the horizon we are in trouble anyway..........For goodness sake will someone come out and tell the truth to the fans.

OK, I'll tell you. Your club is skint and has been for years. You have been buying points in the league you could not afford. Your home crowd numbers plummeted owing to the fact that a lot of your fans were glory hunters. The plan to bring them back in with cheap season ticket offers was flawed from the start, it made no business sense from whatsoever. You wrongly assume that you have a right to be in SL, you don't. If you make the play-offs it will be totally wrong, you would be depriving other clubs who have been run a lot more prudently that yourselves the chance of an extra income stream to pay their bills, something which seems to be an alien concept of your club. If you survive to see in your fiftieth anniversary, it should and will be in a lower league. Your players will be cherry picked by other clubs in the next few weeks. There's the truth.

Sheffieldbull wrote:
The facts...Bulls average attendances...2010 - 13,967. ..2011- 14715... these for the benefit of 'Thee Voice of Ignorance'.... . Who's woken up dim Timmy? little love.

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:

raisemeup wrote:

raisemeup wrote:

Prycey wrote: With Jeffries and lots of others going we are about to face another massive rebuilding process. It will give the young lads such as Southernwood a chance. We need to prepare ourselves for another 5 years of either being at bottom of SL or a complete rebuild in lower leagues - if we do actually survive being relegated. I have started to accept it and I am sure that once the pain of all this is over we will have a future but it may be decades before we get to the top again. I have also come to the conclusion that we probably do deserve to be moved down a division and give one of the others a chance. Promotion and relegation could be our saviour in the long term if brought back.

You are right on a number of points there Prycey..but in the opinion of many> promotion and relegation will not be the saviour of Super league clubs. For example a club has to have massive investment to join SL, then face a season of building...and when that team is at the bottom of SL. it's relegated and some other unprepared team comes up to be the whipping boy all over again. It's a self perpetuating nightmare! Promotion and Relegation works only in the lower divisions and then it's a hard slog but achievable...it won't work in SL in just one season. At least a 3 year licence (for all it's flaws) gives them a chance to build. If after that the promoted club hasn't made it, then the P& R is OK providing the club vying for Promotion from the lower division has shown a consistency in building for Super League over those 3 years. How unfair would it be to Widnes to say after one season they are to be relegated . It's as unfair as it is to the Bulls to say because we had some poor management , the whole club should be punished, when we have the opportunity (not listened to as yet) to put it right. Are we to be made part of this great experiment (if that's what it is!)of reducing the clubs in SL to 12, and who will be the number 2 club to go, in this experiment? Not many will put their hands up I'm sure, and that may be why they have backed us, I think? With the exception of a few shortsighted clubs, who probably think their crowd will increase as will their SKY payments without us , and the one other, as yet unamed club. If we go down I do not see a bright future in the short or medium term. The game will suffer with nearly 200,000 supporters being affected by our demise. Who amongst them will support other teams is not to be known, but do they (RFL)and us (Super League Clubs) want to find out? And if I actually hear another comment to the effect that you have to feel sorry for the RFL? I say it's like having sympathy for the firing squad, because it's a job they have to do! However try telling that to the poor b...er, who's gonna be shot!

Sorry not 200,000, that implies half of Bradford go to our games..what I mean is 14,000 x 14 home games as the "Supporter footfall " over a Season Of course the catchment on a national basis is unknown. But I reckon it is pretty substantial.

Where is the 14k coming from, this year is closer to 10/11k per game, with a few exceptions when Leeds come to town.

14k was when season tickets were £60 last year and the year before that the Bulls struggled to get 9k though the gates.

Sheffieldbull wrote:
Super League 2011 Average Attendance Figures 1. 18,398 Wigan Warriors 2. 14,750 Leeds Rhinos 3. 14,715 Bradford Bulls 4. 12,693 Hull FC 5. 11,139 Warrington Wolves 6. 8,118 Hull KR 7. 7,849 Catalan Dragons 8. 7,832 St Helens 9. 7,828 Huddersfield Giants 10. 7,295 Castleford Tigers 11. 6,994 Wakefield Wildcats 12. 5,054 Salford City Reds 13. 3,635 Crusaders 14. 2,599 Harlequins RL

raisemeup wrote:

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:

raisemeup wrote:

raisemeup wrote:

Prycey wrote: With Jeffries and lots of others going we are about to face another massive rebuilding process. It will give the young lads such as Southernwood a chance. We need to prepare ourselves for another 5 years of either being at bottom of SL or a complete rebuild in lower leagues - if we do actually survive being relegated. I have started to accept it and I am sure that once the pain of all this is over we will have a future but it may be decades before we get to the top again. I have also come to the conclusion that we probably do deserve to be moved down a division and give one of the others a chance. Promotion and relegation could be our saviour in the long term if brought back.

You are right on a number of points there Prycey..but in the opinion of many> promotion and relegation will not be the saviour of Super league clubs. For example a club has to have massive investment to join SL, then face a season of building...and when that team is at the bottom of SL. it's relegated and some other unprepared team comes up to be the whipping boy all over again. It's a self perpetuating nightmare! Promotion and Relegation works only in the lower divisions and then it's a hard slog but achievable...it won't work in SL in just one season. At least a 3 year licence (for all it's flaws) gives them a chance to build. If after that the promoted club hasn't made it, then the P& R is OK providing the club vying for Promotion from the lower division has shown a consistency in building for Super League over those 3 years. How unfair would it be to Widnes to say after one season they are to be relegated . It's as unfair as it is to the Bulls to say because we had some poor management , the whole club should be punished, when we have the opportunity (not listened to as yet) to put it right. Are we to be made part of this great experiment (if that's what it is!)of reducing the clubs in SL to 12, and who will be the number 2 club to go, in this experiment? Not many will put their hands up I'm sure, and that may be why they have backed us, I think? With the exception of a few shortsighted clubs, who probably think their crowd will increase as will their SKY payments without us , and the one other, as yet unamed club. If we go down I do not see a bright future in the short or medium term. The game will suffer with nearly 200,000 supporters being affected by our demise. Who amongst them will support other teams is not to be known, but do they (RFL)and us (Super League Clubs) want to find out? And if I actually hear another comment to the effect that you have to feel sorry for the RFL? I say it's like having sympathy for the firing squad, because it's a job they have to do! However try telling that to the poor b...er, who's gonna be shot!

Sorry not 200,000, that implies half of Bradford go to our games..what I mean is 14,000 x 14 home games as the "Supporter footfall " over a Season Of course the catchment on a national basis is unknown. But I reckon it is pretty substantial.

Where is the 14k coming from, this year is closer to 10/11k per game, with a few exceptions when Leeds come to town. 14k was when season tickets were £60 last year and the year before that the Bulls struggled to get 9k though the gates.

The average prior to the Hull KR game is 13,500. I am not going to explain anything else to you. In fact if the sensible people amongst us agree: Let's apply a simple barometer to all these tedious rebuttles that are only designed to put us off track. If we just reply with an Iritating Factor Level or IFL between 1 and 10 (10 being the highest) do you think they will eventually get the message???? TVof R would rate as an 8 in this instance? Well to me anyway, an 8 perhaps is please go away, you twerp?

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:

Sheffieldbull wrote:
The facts...Bulls average attendances...2010 - 13,967. ..2011- 14715... these for the benefit of 'Thee Voice of Ignorance'.... . Who's woken up dim Timmy? little love.

Based on the finding from,

http://slstats.rlfan

s.com/index.php?gene

ric=1

The average crowd in 2010 was 8363.
That was calculated by taking all 13 home SL games from the Bulls which totaled an attendance of 108718 and dividing it by 13.

The average crowd in 2011 was 14075.
That was calculated by taking the figures I could find which was 12 games minus the Catalan game as I don't have detail but I would expect that to be the lowest anyhow giving me 168905 and dividing it by 12.

If you would like to point me in the direction of your figures rather than just quoting random numbers.

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:

Sheffieldbull wrote: Super League 2011 Average Attendance Figures 1. 18,398 Wigan Warriors 2. 14,750 Leeds Rhinos 3. 14,715 Bradford Bulls 4. 12,693 Hull FC 5. 11,139 Warrington Wolves 6. 8,118 Hull KR 7. 7,849 Catalan Dragons 8. 7,832 St Helens 9. 7,828 Huddersfield Giants 10. 7,295 Castleford Tigers 11. 6,994 Wakefield Wildcats 12. 5,054 Salford City Reds 13. 3,635 Crusaders 14. 2,599 Harlequins RL

Care to link your source? I have.

raisemeup wrote:

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:

Sheffieldbull wrote: The facts...Bulls average attendances...2010 - 13,967. ..2011- 14715... these for the benefit of 'Thee Voice of Ignorance'.... . Who's woken up dim Timmy? little love.

Based on the finding from, http://slstats.rlfan s.com/index.php?gene ric=1 The average crowd in 2010 was 8363. That was calculated by taking all 13 home SL games from the Bulls which totaled an attendance of 108718 and dividing it by 13. The average crowd in 2011 was 14075. That was calculated by taking the figures I could find which was 12 games minus the Catalan game as I don't have detail but I would expect that to be the lowest anyhow giving me 168905 and dividing it by 12. If you would like to point me in the direction of your figures rather than just quoting random numbers.

IFL 10 there

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:

raisemeup wrote:

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:

Sheffieldbull wrote: The facts...Bulls average attendances...2010 - 13,967. ..2011- 14715... these for the benefit of 'Thee Voice of Ignorance'.... . Who's woken up dim Timmy? little love.

Based on the finding from, http://slstats.rlfan s.com/index.php?gene ric=1 The average crowd in 2010 was 8363. That was calculated by taking all 13 home SL games from the Bulls which totaled an attendance of 108718 and dividing it by 13. The average crowd in 2011 was 14075. That was calculated by taking the figures I could find which was 12 games minus the Catalan game as I don't have detail but I would expect that to be the lowest anyhow giving me 168905 and dividing it by 12. If you would like to point me in the direction of your figures rather than just quoting random numbers.

IFL 10 there

I presume posting facts is now classed as annoying because it makes those who think they are in the know look like they don't know what they are talking about.

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:

raisemeup wrote:

raisemeup wrote:

Prycey wrote: With Jeffries and lots of others going we are about to face another massive rebuilding process. It will give the young lads such as Southernwood a chance. We need to prepare ourselves for another 5 years of either being at bottom of SL or a complete rebuild in lower leagues - if we do actually survive being relegated. I have started to accept it and I am sure that once the pain of all this is over we will have a future but it may be decades before we get to the top again. I have also come to the conclusion that we probably do deserve to be moved down a division and give one of the others a chance. Promotion and relegation could be our saviour in the long term if brought back.

You are right on a number of points there Prycey..but in the opinion of many> promotion and relegation will not be the saviour of Super league clubs. For example a club has to have massive investment to join SL, then face a season of building...and when that team is at the bottom of SL. it's relegated and some other unprepared team comes up to be the whipping boy all over again. It's a self perpetuating nightmare! Promotion and Relegation works only in the lower divisions and then it's a hard slog but achievable...it won't work in SL in just one season. At least a 3 year licence (for all it's flaws) gives them a chance to build. If after that the promoted club hasn't made it, then the P& R is OK providing the club vying for Promotion from the lower division has shown a consistency in building for Super League over those 3 years. How unfair would it be to Widnes to say after one season they are to be relegated . It's as unfair as it is to the Bulls to say because we had some poor management , the whole club should be punished, when we have the opportunity (not listened to as yet) to put it right. Are we to be made part of this great experiment (if that's what it is!)of reducing the clubs in SL to 12, and who will be the number 2 club to go, in this experiment? Not many will put their hands up I'm sure, and that may be why they have backed us, I think? With the exception of a few shortsighted clubs, who probably think their crowd will increase as will their SKY payments without us , and the one other, as yet unamed club. If we go down I do not see a bright future in the short or medium term. The game will suffer with nearly 200,000 supporters being affected by our demise. Who amongst them will support other teams is not to be known, but do they (RFL)and us (Super League Clubs) want to find out? And if I actually hear another comment to the effect that you have to feel sorry for the RFL? I say it's like having sympathy for the firing squad, because it's a job they have to do! However try telling that to the poor b...er, who's gonna be shot!

Sorry not 200,000, that implies half of Bradford go to our games..what I mean is 14,000 x 14 home games as the "Supporter footfall " over a Season Of course the catchment on a national basis is unknown. But I reckon it is pretty substantial.

Where is the 14k coming from, this year is closer to 10/11k per game, with a few exceptions when Leeds come to town.

14k was when season tickets were £60 last year and the year before that the Bulls struggled to get 9k though the gates.

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:

raisemeup wrote:

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:

raisemeup wrote:

raisemeup wrote:

Prycey wrote: With Jeffries and lots of others going we are about to face another massive rebuilding process. It will give the young lads such as Southernwood a chance. We need to prepare ourselves for another 5 years of either being at bottom of SL or a complete rebuild in lower leagues - if we do actually survive being relegated. I have started to accept it and I am sure that once the pain of all this is over we will have a future but it may be decades before we get to the top again. I have also come to the conclusion that we probably do deserve to be moved down a division and give one of the others a chance. Promotion and relegation could be our saviour in the long term if brought back.

You are right on a number of points there Prycey..but in the opinion of many> promotion and relegation will not be the saviour of Super league clubs. For example a club has to have massive investment to join SL, then face a season of building...and when that team is at the bottom of SL. it's relegated and some other unprepared team comes up to be the whipping boy all over again. It's a self perpetuating nightmare! Promotion and Relegation works only in the lower divisions and then it's a hard slog but achievable...it won't work in SL in just one season. At least a 3 year licence (for all it's flaws) gives them a chance to build. If after that the promoted club hasn't made it, then the P& R is OK providing the club vying for Promotion from the lower division has shown a consistency in building for Super League over those 3 years. How unfair would it be to Widnes to say after one season they are to be relegated . It's as unfair as it is to the Bulls to say because we had some poor management , the whole club should be punished, when we have the opportunity (not listened to as yet) to put it right. Are we to be made part of this great experiment (if that's what it is!)of reducing the clubs in SL to 12, and who will be the number 2 club to go, in this experiment? Not many will put their hands up I'm sure, and that may be why they have backed us, I think? With the exception of a few shortsighted clubs, who probably think their crowd will increase as will their SKY payments without us , and the one other, as yet unamed club. If we go down I do not see a bright future in the short or medium term. The game will suffer with nearly 200,000 supporters being affected by our demise. Who amongst them will support other teams is not to be known, but do they (RFL)and us (Super League Clubs) want to find out? And if I actually hear another comment to the effect that you have to feel sorry for the RFL? I say it's like having sympathy for the firing squad, because it's a job they have to do! However try telling that to the poor b...er, who's gonna be shot!

Sorry not 200,000, that implies half of Bradford go to our games..what I mean is 14,000 x 14 home games as the "Supporter footfall " over a Season Of course the catchment on a national basis is unknown. But I reckon it is pretty substantial.

Where is the 14k coming from, this year is closer to 10/11k per game, with a few exceptions when Leeds come to town. 14k was when season tickets were £60 last year and the year before that the Bulls struggled to get 9k though the gates.

The average prior to the Hull KR game is 13,500. I am not going to explain anything else to you. In fact if the sensible people amongst us agree: Let's apply a simple barometer to all these tedious rebuttles that are only designed to put us off track. If we just reply with an Iritating Factor Level or IFL between 1 and 10 (10 being the highest) do you think they will eventually get the message???? TVof R would rate as an 8 in this instance? Well to me anyway, an 8 perhaps is please go away, you twerp?

Care to list your source for that, or are you throwing in the Magic weekend as a home game to in order to boost the figures.

Sheffieldbull wrote:
Who commented... "We're going to need a bigger boat. You can't help yourself can you?.”..... . Can we call you Norris now? LOL!

Shelfrhino wrote:

DerbyBull wrote:

Wots up wrote:

DerbyBull wrote: I wish him all the best it was always on the cards but just a small point, I thought that the playeres could not speak to other clubs until the club came out of admin ? and that once the SLE takeover was complete the players could speak to other clubs ?????

I think that is in line with what has previously been quoted in the press. Just in case you didn't know you shouldn't believe everything/if anything that is quoted in the press. I think the sorry saga of the Bulls confirms this!!

It really is beyond a joke now,This came from BlakeSolly at the meeting with BullBuilder.....it's quite clear to me that all the players have been speaking with other clubs from day one....Even if by some miracle we manage to stay in SL it will be too late to buy players and we will be rooted to the bottom of the table for some years to come....with relegation on the horizon we are in trouble anyway..........For goodness sake will someone come out and tell the truth to the fans.

OK, I'll tell you.
Your club is skint and has been for years.
You have been buying points in the league you could not afford.
Your home crowd numbers plummeted owing to the fact that a lot of your fans were glory hunters.
The plan to bring them back in with cheap season ticket offers was flawed from the start, it made no business sense from whatsoever.
You wrongly assume that you have a right to be in SL, you don't.
If you make the play-offs it will be totally wrong, you would be depriving other clubs who have been run a lot more prudently that yourselves the chance of an extra income stream to pay their bills, something which seems to be an alien concept of your club.
If you survive to see in your fiftieth anniversary, it should and will be in a lower league.
Your players will be cherry picked by other clubs in the next few weeks.

There's the truth.

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:

Sheffieldbull wrote:
Who commented... "We're going to need a bigger boat. You can't help yourself can you?.”..... . Can we call you Norris now? LOL!

Is this a pathetic attempt to move away from the fact I am right on this and you have been shown completely wrong?

Sheffieldbull wrote:

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:

Sheffieldbull wrote:
Who commented... "We're going to need a bigger boat. You can't help yourself can you?.”..... . Can we call you Norris now? LOL!

Is this a pathetic attempt to move away from the fact I am right on this and you have been shown completely wrong?

NO!

Sheffieldbull wrote:

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:

Sheffieldbull wrote:
Who commented... "We're going to need a bigger boat. You can't help yourself can you?.”..... . Can we call you Norris now? LOL!

Is this a pathetic attempt to move away from the fact I am right on this and you have been shown completely wrong?

NO!

parader no1 wrote:
I have no figures to hand but I will say as a season ticket holder that some of the attendance figures announced at games has been somewhat imaginativly high to say the least

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:

parader no1 wrote: I have no figures to hand but I will say as a season ticket holder that some of the attendance figures announced at games has been somewhat imaginativly high to say the least

Well I posted figures and gave my source but I was still being told I was wrong. I presume those on the RL forums know nothing and the figures on there are simply rubbish. There appears to be a hardcore of fans which is around 8k, it's the same down at City, the others will either sign up for a good deal or follow the team when they are doing well. Thats a fact for City and it's one for the Bulls.

DerbyBull wrote:

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:

parader no1 wrote: I have no figures to hand but I will say as a season ticket holder that some of the attendance figures announced at games has been somewhat imaginativly high to say the least

Well I posted figures and gave my source but I was still being told I was wrong. I presume those on the RL forums know nothing and the figures on there are simply rubbish. There appears to be a hardcore of fans which is around 8k, it's the same down at City, the others will either sign up for a good deal or follow the team when they are doing well. Thats a fact for City and it's one for the Bulls.

Its pretty much the case for every club isn’t it ........the numbers may vary slightly but most clubs have a hardcore of fans and the numbers fluctuate in line with success..... Regardless of all that Bradford bulls and their supporters would be a great loss to Super league. Unfortunately we do not have a divine right to super league and our directors have dropped the fans and players right in the ****……………. . The point is we need to try and sort it. Do you expect Bradford fans to just lie down and accept it or fight for their club…….I know what I will do

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
Using the same source for 2012,

http://slstats.rlfan

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ric=1&comp=43&am
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It appears the Castleford attendance isn't included but the other 10 home games that are listed give a combined attendance of 121149, which would give an average of 12,115. This however does include a game against the Rhino's where the attendance was 20851 which does push the average up as most of the other games are between 10 & 11k.

So the question still stands, where is this 14k a game coming from?

raisemeup wrote:

Thee Voice of Reason wrote: Using the same source for 2012, http://slstats.rlfan s.com/index.php?gene ric=1&comp=43&am
p;am p;showte am=5 It appears the Castleford attendance isn't included but the other 10 home games that are listed give a combined attendance of 121149, which would give an average of 12,115. This however does include a game against the Rhino's where the attendance was 20851 which does push the average up as most of the other games are between 10 & 11k. So the question still stands, where is this 14k a game coming from?

You know what who the hell cares: If you actually looked at this years attandances and took away all those that weren't cup games our average attendance for 2012 would 3000 and a bit. Get over it.

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:

raisemeup wrote:

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:

Sheffieldbull wrote: The facts...Bulls average attendances...2010 - 13,967. ..2011- 14715... these for the benefit of 'Thee Voice of Ignorance'.... . Who's woken up dim Timmy? little love.

Based on the finding from, http://slstats.rlfan s.com/index.php?gene ric=1 The average crowd in 2010 was 8363. That was calculated by taking all 13 home SL games from the Bulls which totaled an attendance of 108718 and dividing it by 13. The average crowd in 2011 was 14075. That was calculated by taking the figures I could find which was 12 games minus the Catalan game as I don't have detail but I would expect that to be the lowest anyhow giving me 168905 and dividing it by 12. If you would like to point me in the direction of your figures rather than just quoting random numbers.

IFL 10 there

I presume posting facts is now classed as annoying because it makes those who think they are in the know look like they don't know what they are talking about.

Mumby was the best wrote:
Who gives a toss whether it`s 11,000 0r 14,000 or 20,000 VoR is just drawing you into a futile argument.

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
My figures are there for all to see, with links to the source of my information.

As no source is being put forward from the people arguing my figures I can only assume they don't have them or like SheffieldBull, they are for half a season.

NG1972 wrote:
Look I'm sick of non bulls fans coming on here and talking ****. You all need to worry what is happening with your own clubs because believe you me we won't be the last club to be in this position. But all us bulls fans need to get behind MP and the boys instead of arguing on here. Shelf rhino I've told you before get back in your arm chair and stop interfering in discussions that you are clueless about and by the way if you want the directions to Headingly just ask me and I will give you them!!!

theviking62 wrote:
Just a suggestion, tvor, bacon bantam, go play on your site. Your mr lawn putting his foot in his mouth again. Slagging off your few supporters. Go give him some of your vitriol, Useless facts and the rest of your garbage. Go on get thee down the valley.

theviking62 wrote:
Just a suggestion, tvor, bacon bantam, go play on your site. Your mr lawn putting his foot in his mouth again. Slagging off your few supporters. Go give him some of your vitriol, Useless facts and the rest of your garbage. Go on get thee down the valley.

-HCK3R- wrote:
The thing that amuses me is that the 2 or 3 trolls commenting on these stories (yes only 2 or 3 operating from the same ip addresses) must either be Bulls supporters through and through or lead very lonely lives.....come on who else is going to trawl through all the stories and comments posted regarding the Bulls ?.....Can you honestly imagine spending so much time reading up and following things you hate so much ! even worse setting up different accounts to agree with themselves !!!!

Mumby was the best wrote:
Your quite correct in what you say but I disagree with "If you make the play-offs it will be totally wrong, you would be depriving other clubs who have been run a lot more prudently" We will make the play offs because we have earned enough points to be there. The players who have earned the points have done nothing wrong. It`s like telling Jessica Ennis she can`t have Gold because her trainer took drugs.

Shelfrhino wrote:

Mumby was the best wrote: Your quite correct in what you say but I disagree with "If you make the play-offs it will be totally wrong, you would be depriving other clubs who have been run a lot more prudently" We will make the play offs because we have earned enough points to be there. The players who have earned the points have done nothing wrong. It`s like telling Jessica Ennis she can`t have Gold because her trainer took drugs.

The players don't deserve to make the play-offs for the simple reason that some of them wouldn't be there if you were living within your means.

DerbyBull wrote:

Shelfrhino wrote:

Mumby was the best wrote: Your quite correct in what you say but I disagree with "If you make the play-offs it will be totally wrong, you would be depriving other clubs who have been run a lot more prudently" We will make the play offs because we have earned enough points to be there. The players who have earned the points have done nothing wrong. It`s like telling Jessica Ennis she can`t have Gold because her trainer took drugs.

The players don't deserve to make the play-offs for the simple reason that some of them wouldn't be there if you were living within your means.

Very Very Few clubs live within their means, in fact very few sports clubs live within their means. St Helens 2.5 million in debt which is far more than us. the difference being they have a backer and the banks have not pulled out their overdraft........... .yet ! ......This is not an excuse for incompetent mangement but dont want you to be under the illusion that sport lives within its means

Shelfrhino wrote:

Mumby was the best wrote:
Your quite correct in what you say but I disagree with "If you make the play-offs it will be totally wrong, you would be depriving other clubs who have been run a lot more prudently" We will make the play offs because we have earned enough points to be there. The players who have earned the points have done nothing wrong. It`s like telling Jessica Ennis she can`t have Gold because her trainer took drugs.

The players don't deserve to make the play-offs for the simple reason that some of them wouldn't be there if you were living within your means.

Shelfrhino wrote:

DerbyBull wrote:

Shelfrhino wrote:

Mumby was the best wrote: Your quite correct in what you say but I disagree with "If you make the play-offs it will be totally wrong, you would be depriving other clubs who have been run a lot more prudently" We will make the play offs because we have earned enough points to be there. The players who have earned the points have done nothing wrong. It`s like telling Jessica Ennis she can`t have Gold because her trainer took drugs.

The players don't deserve to make the play-offs for the simple reason that some of them wouldn't be there if you were living within your means.

Very Very Few clubs live within their means, in fact very few sports clubs live within their means. St Helens 2.5 million in debt which is far more than us. the difference being they have a backer and the banks have not pulled out their overdraft........... .yet ! ......This is not an excuse for incompetent mangement but dont want you to be under the illusion that sport lives within its means

If they have a backer, then they are living within there means, as he pays any bills that need to be paid, Bradford don't, therefore they are living beyond there means. So like I said, you cannot afford some of the players you have so shouldn't be involved in the play-offs should you make them.

Mumby was the best wrote:

Shelfrhino wrote:

Mumby was the best wrote: Your quite correct in what you say but I disagree with "If you make the play-offs it will be totally wrong, you would be depriving other clubs who have been run a lot more prudently" We will make the play offs because we have earned enough points to be there. The players who have earned the points have done nothing wrong. It`s like telling Jessica Ennis she can`t have Gold because her trainer took drugs.

The players don't deserve to make the play-offs for the simple reason that some of them wouldn't be there if you were living within your means.

So taking it to a conclusion every player who signs for a club would have to have an audit carried out to see if the club was living within their means before commiting to them, in case any success they had could be removed? Is that what you are saying?