MP Sutcliffe leads bid with restaurant owner to buy Bulls (From Bradford Telegraph and Argus)

Someone part of the last Labour government wants a part of the Bulls.
Lets hope he didn't recieve training from Mr Brown otherwise the Bulls are doomed.

hmmm? I wonder now that a non asian face is involved, whether the islamaphobes who comment here will feel better about the bid and drop their objections and paranoid claims about super mosuqes or curry houses being built on the site?

dannywho wrote:
hmmm? I wonder now that a non asian face is involved, whether the islamaphobes who comment here will feel better about the bid and drop their objections and paranoid claims about super mosuqes or curry houses being built on the site?

Or illegal bazaars?

dannywho wrote:
hmmm? I wonder now that a non asian face is involved, whether the islamaphobes who comment here will feel better about the bid and drop their objections and paranoid claims about super mosuqes or curry houses being built on the site?

Danny - this is a separate bid to the ABC consortium.

Sutcliffe could not run a bath never mind a club.

Ties in with various comments on here in last week about two restaurant bosses backing separate bids.

islamaphobes?
more like genuine concern for a part of bradford history.
if you read the statement you will see it says development of the site, curry boss?
does not take a genius to read what that means and abc involves property developers.
get real.
on another note, why should the council be helping them when it fails to help other sports clubs?
they need to be independent from this.

anyone notice that the £3m bid is now £2.5m?
getting lower already!!
have they seen something in the accounts to make them lower it?

Both the ABC group of businessmen and Omar Khan are and have been very successful businessmen, Rugby Clubs have to be run as a business to make them pay..Look at the Aussie clubs how they have encouraged fans to spend all day at the club spending money in all sorts of ways I for one, am very pleased that we have attracted yet another bid..BUT please Mr G give us some closure to it all,especially for the players and all the redundant staff.. No-one can go on giving their services freely as they have been doing..The club must not fall!!

Would be better employed sorting his 'restaurant' out in Skipton first.

As far as I am aware ABC have carried out their due dilligence and put forward a proposal based on its results.In comes Mr Suttcliffe late in the game playing to the gallery without carrying out due dilligence and making offers without understanding the dynamics.I note that in contrast to ABC who have kept their identity underwraps messrs suttcliffe and Khan are shoving their names everywhere.From what I can see is that Suttcliffe and Khans approach is that we will match the ABC bid but well package it with promises to the fans they can not achieve. The RFL who are looking for an excuse to kick the Bulls in the goolies will have a field day

Hmmmm........ Thought the council was not going to use rate payers cash to save the Bulls ??? Seems to be one rule for city, another for the Bulls........ Wonder why that is......... Oh wait, I know..... Let's take a look at the bidders !!!!

But no bid has been made only a framework intention it all depends on the banks and if its financially sound,I doubt it as it stands the only way that this will work is for BMDC to either allow planning permission for building on this land and the rugby to play at smaller venue.

YOU HAVE GOT TO BE JOKING!!!! A politician running the club? We've had enough shady dealings at Odsal to last my 3-year old son a lifetime...last thing we need is a professional B****hitter running the club!

Ps. I hope if Omar Khan does gain control of the Bulls he gets more customers into Odsal than he gets in Skipton .......... Every time I drive past all I see is the tumbleweed blowing across the empty car park !

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This so-called offer lacks credibility. ABC consortium seems to be made up of restaurauteurs and developers, a group which we may assume can mobilise the £3m required. Can we assume that one man, with two restaurants, can generate that sort of money. It sounds implausible. Ah, but then we see the weasel words, 'some Council help'. How likely is that given the Council's past opposition to helping private companies>. And what would our friends at Valley Parade say? This looks like a non-runner to me but it will muddy the waters, give the RL reason to delay, place the players in even more uncertainty, not help the redundant staff to get at least some of the jobs back, and make it more likely that Mr. Potter will have to leave. Mr. Sutcliffe had his chance as Sports Minister to offer some serious help to the Bulls but failed to take it. If he really wants to help he should support the ABC consortium, but perhaps he can't do that, suspecting that Mr. Galloway is in some way connected.

Tvor, jog on back to city site, your negative thoughts not wanted on here. Correctness, the same applies to you, this is a rugby league forum, not egon ronay. Shaggy, did they mention money, no. Could be the council use for events in the city, eg the mela. Plus here go again, complaining already about the bidders. I couldn't give a ****, who runs/owns the club as long as we have a club to watch. Wow, yangy, can do maths,it's been £2.5 for a week now, where have you been, oh sorry you only post when it suits you. Back to rugby, a bit of competition is a healthy thing. Slc52, your usual input, meaning nothing, as normal?

Adey, I think they said, re sutcliffe, Honorary chairman. No say in running of club. Jack the old batman at odsal was honorary chairman for a season. Means nothing. Breathe easy, my friend, no sutcliffe decisions. My honest opinion, this bid is a blind, to try to force the rfl hand in favour of abc.

olicanabull wrote:
This so-called offer lacks credibility. ABC consortium seems to be made up of restaurauteurs and developers, a group which we may assume can mobilise the £3m required. Can we assume that one man, with two restaurants, can generate that sort of money. It sounds implausible. Ah, but then we see the weasel words, 'some Council help'. How likely is that given the Council's past opposition to helping private companies>. And what would our friends at Valley Parade say? This looks like a non-runner to me but it will muddy the waters, give the RL reason to delay, place the players in even more uncertainty, not help the redundant staff to get at least some of the jobs back, and make it more likely that Mr. Potter will have to leave. Mr. Sutcliffe had his chance as Sports Minister to offer some serious help to the Bulls but failed to take it. If he really wants to help he should support the ABC consortium, but perhaps he can't do that, suspecting that Mr. Galloway is in some way connected.

The Council Leader Cllr David Green has already made it quite clear that the Council would be willing to provide a commercial loan to help the save the Bulls.

With regards to helping Bradford City - Cllr Green made it quite clear - He was not the Council Leader at the time Bradford City was in trouble !

What is wrong with having two bids on the table ?

Philip Ennis wrote:
Tvor, jog on back to city site, your negative thoughts not wanted on here. Correctness, the same applies to you, this is a rugby league forum, not egon ronay. Shaggy, did they mention money, no. Could be the council use for events in the city, eg the mela. Plus here go again, complaining already about the bidders. I couldn't give a ****, who runs/owns the club as long as we have a club to watch. Wow, yangy, can do maths,it's been £2.5 for a week now, where have you been, oh sorry you only post when it suits you. Back to rugby, a bit of competition is a healthy thing. Slc52, your usual input, meaning nothing, as normal?

I have no problem with any use the council may feel is needed to help with the situation, however, seeing as its cash that is needed to keep the club going I'm pretty sure that is what help the council will be offering. I of course cannot be sure of this so I take your comments on board.

Still missing the fact - no conditional offers will be accepted ??

Still missing the fact - no conditional offers will be accepted ??

Still missing the fact - no conditional offers will be accepted ??

Read up on indicative bids, throughout. It will explain all to you.

Philip Ennis wrote:
Tvor, jog on back to city site, your negative thoughts not wanted on here. Correctness, the same applies to you, this is a rugby league forum, not egon ronay. Shaggy, did they mention money, no. Could be the council use for events in the city, eg the mela. Plus here go again, complaining already about the bidders. I couldn't give a ****, who runs/owns the club as long as we have a club to watch. Wow, yangy, can do maths,it's been £2.5 for a week now, where have you been, oh sorry you only post when it suits you. Back to rugby, a bit of competition is a healthy thing. Slc52, your usual input, meaning nothing, as normal?

spot on the money, especially about the trolls - 2 bids can only be good news and IF rumours are to be believed a third bid should be forthcoming

Steam Pigs wrote:

Philip Ennis wrote:
Tvor, jog on back to city site, your negative thoughts not wanted on here. Correctness, the same applies to you, this is a rugby league forum, not egon ronay. Shaggy, did they mention money, no. Could be the council use for events in the city, eg the mela. Plus here go again, complaining already about the bidders. I couldn't give a ****, who runs/owns the club as long as we have a club to watch. Wow, yangy, can do maths,it's been £2.5 for a week now, where have you been, oh sorry you only post when it suits you. Back to rugby, a bit of competition is a healthy thing. Slc52, your usual input, meaning nothing, as normal?

spot on the money, especially about the trolls - 2 bids can only be good news and IF rumours are to be believed a third bid should be forthcoming

It so upsets these trolls when it appears there is good news. What a sad life they lead.

The stumbling block is the attached 'conditions' .but at least they have something on the table to consider.

I suspect it's all hot air but good to see nonetheless.

But are they a stumbling block. If they make a profit on odsal, will placate other clubs. If they keep bulls in sl, might upset some clubs, but the talk of promotion and relegation, takes the pressure off that one. As we know several of the top clubs in sl, want us to stay for the amount of revenue our away support brings them. I expect this post to cause some deep thinking by certain people on here. Did I say deep thinking, meant no thinking.

Philip Ennis wrote:
But are they a stumbling block. If they make a profit on odsal, will placate other clubs. If they keep bulls in sl, might upset some clubs, but the talk of promotion and relegation, takes the pressure off that one. As we know several of the top clubs in sl, want us to stay for the amount of revenue our away support brings them. I expect this post to cause some deep thinking by certain people on here. Did I say deep thinking, meant no thinking.

Again.Bang on the money Philip.It makes me smile when some people refer to 'conditions' and RFL will or won't agree to - all purchases / sales are based on conditions, think about it!

I love how Sutcliffe has got involved after it is reported Galloway is behind ABC/

I understand Omar Khan owns a lot of property as well - most of Broomfields estate near the bottom of Wakefield Road - so I guess he's worth a bob or two.

Whilst I think its great there are bids on the table to save the club, personally I'd prefer to see the Bulls turned into a fan-run mutual like some soccer clubs. These investors could lend money to it for a return of capital and interest over a period that would benefit the cash flow of the club, say 25 years.

Mutuals tend to be far more cautious in their business approaches, avoiding risky strategies and always looking at the long-term. Its an approach that would certainly benefit the Bulls.

Steam Pigs wrote:

Philip Ennis wrote: Tvor, jog on back to city site, your negative thoughts not wanted on here. Correctness, the same applies to you, this is a rugby league forum, not egon ronay. Shaggy, did they mention money, no. Could be the council use for events in the city, eg the mela. Plus here go again, complaining already about the bidders. I couldn't give a ****, who runs/owns the club as long as we have a club to watch. Wow, yangy, can do maths,it's been £2.5 for a week now, where have you been, oh sorry you only post when it suits you. Back to rugby, a bit of competition is a healthy thing. Slc52, your usual input, meaning nothing, as normal?

spot on the money, especially about the trolls - 2 bids can only be good news and IF rumours are to be believed a third bid should be forthcoming

Ah, Steampigs, you've still not explained why I deserved slating for saying exactly the same thing as you, that the six point deduction has no bearing on bids being accepted.

Care to tell me why both of us saying the same thing should see our arguments be treated in totally different ways?

Absolutely stinks of PR exercise on both their parts. Free publicity for the curry house owner and the politician.

Also, potentially drives up the cost for rival curry house owners within the consortium. Win win

Sheffieldbull, terms and conditions are a part of everyday life. Buying a car, house, etc. as I have said before people do not think about their answers but dive straight in. Once again, I would ask that they read about "indicative bid" , which was mentioned by guilfoyle. This would answer most questions. Although, I think that some people on here have a mind set, on saying nothing but ill against the bulls. The phrase "saying nothing" means a lot in more than one case on here.

Good to have two offers now on the table. Some people clearly won’t be pleased and will now spend today finding fault to amuse themselves and try to make themselves look clever. Just some points on some of the comments above!
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Support from Bradford council doesn’t necessarily mean cash in hand.
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3m bid down to 2.5m. Might this simply have been the papers rounding it up in the first place as £3 million sounds better and they probably didn’t know the true figure.
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Some people instantly mentioned the race issues again blaming others when they are actually mentioning it within a few posts of this announcement.
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Khan and Sutcliffe shoving their names everywhere. What, it has only just emerged. Of course it will now appear in the papers. At least they have shown their faces – the other group hasn’t – why haven’t they?
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Who says a politician will be running the club? He seems to be the middle man here for them – honorary chairman of the bid – not the club.
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Maybe Sutcliffe knows the other developers and doesn’t like their intentions? If he thought they were a great offer wouldn’t he be pushing that deal – just wondering why he is backing this?
Good news brings out the trolls. The best bid will win and the moaners will be on here like a flash complaining about that. Sutcliffe and his bidder probably won’t win but they have probably made more of an effort to save the club in this last week than all of the negative trolls on here put together who hide behind their computer screens and do nothing but complain.
Two bids are better than one and may make the RFL realise this won’t be solved without selling back the lease and guaranteeing the licence to run till the next submissions. Two bids asking the same thing might just persuade them to say yes to the ABC lot.

Why should'nt BMDC put some money into keeping the Bulls going - it would make economic sense.

Just look across at Leeds - their Council finances the cricket club,their University sponsors both codes with significant sums of money.

Why can't that happen in Bradford ?

Interestingly,Rhino'
s main sponsor is a building society.Why don't the Yorkshire BS get on board in a similiar fashion ? There is such little support from the major corporates in Bradford area.

Philip Ennis wrote:
Sheffieldbull, terms and conditions are a part of everyday life. Buying a car, house, etc. as I have said before people do not think about their answers but dive straight in. Once again, I would ask that they read about "indicative bid" , which was mentioned by guilfoyle. This would answer most questions. Although, I think that some people on here have a mind set, on saying nothing but ill against the bulls. The phrase "saying nothing" means a lot in more than one case on here.

As a City fan I genuinely want to see the Bulls survive. I have friends who follow them and I know what it would mean to them if they were to vanish. Having said that, I don't agree with the council handing over public money in whatever form just to keep them going.

To me Odsal is unsustainable as a rugby venue. The council spent a fortune doing it up for the Bulls and it's only just fit for the purposes of Rugby League if what I have read of the franchise system is correct. To get it up to a standard where it could be used for any other purpose alongside rugby was prohibitive in good economic times. So now...

To me the only way forward is a ground share, and that would mean VP as BCFC are tied into a long lease. I always resisted this before, if only from a wearing of the pitch point of view, but modern turf seems to be a lot more resilient and would now allow it.

As for the "trolls" Perhaps you should go back and look at what some of the Bulls fans said about BCFC's plight a few years ago and that's before we mention what they have said about VP and surrounding areas. Funnily enough many seem to have had a change of opinion recently.

Like I said at the start I want to see the Bulls survive and this post is not meant to be antagonistic in any way.

Bully4us, thanks for reiterating, the salient points. But, I feel that it will not make any difference to some on here. They are set in their ways, anti bulls, anti councils, anti anything. Take tvor for instance, slags off both city and bulls. Slc52, says nothing. To name but two.

Trolls in many people eyes on here are those who actually look at the bigger picture and give a thought out reply.

Such as the six point deduction does not confirm the Bulls are safe and you are wrong to assume so.

Is that really trolling? No it's not but some don't like to have this fantasy taken away from them, they would rather cling onto the fact that the six point deduction means they are saved and is sign of a secure future.

Is someone really a troll for questioning the above logic?

Have the council mentioned " handing money" over. NO. So why bring it up. Bd16. Otherwise a sound a well thought out post, unlike some on here.

Tvor, correct in your statement. But why do keep bringing it up. Ok, steam pigs didn't agree with you, so what. He's entitled to his opinion. His view of the bigger picture may differ from yours. But, to keep labouring the point, is pathetic, suggests you have very little left to talk/argue about. Plus if you only wish to make with the negative thoughts, as I said before jog on, return to the city site. I'm sure they'll welcome you with open arms.

Now we will have 2 bids , surely the administrator will have the final say as to which one is put forward to the RFL?
If we are to believe the RFL that conditional bids are not acceptable then we are doomed as i said previously last week.
The only chance is by negotiation . The amount of procrastination means that even if we are succesful we will have lost the crown jewels in terms of coaches & players.--come on all you administration people & RFL --settle this NOW--put us out of our misery one way or the other and hopefully let us try keep our club going at its current high level of playing performance.

Philip Ennis wrote:
Tvor, correct in your statement. But why do keep bringing it up. Ok, steam pigs didn't agree with you, so what. He's entitled to his opinion. His view of the bigger picture may differ from yours. But, to keep labouring the point, is pathetic, suggests you have very little left to talk/argue about. Plus if you only wish to make with the negative thoughts, as I said before jog on, return to the city site. I'm sure they'll welcome you with open arms.

Steampigs did agree with me, he said exactly the same thing I said, but he laid into me when I said it.

Btw this isn't a bulls site it's the T&A, it all about Bradford and a user can pretty much comment on whatever he wants, this isn't a "Bulls only section", infact it's in the news section.

Philip Ennis wrote:
Have the council mentioned " handing money" over. NO. So why bring it up. Bd16. Otherwise a sound a well thought out post, unlike some on here.

"He revealed he and Mr Khan had met representatives from Bradford Council and the restaurant boss’s offer would rely on some Council support to help the club achieve a break-even position within three to five years"

This quotation from the article above, whilst open to interpretation, made me believe that financial support was being sought. What did you read it as?

Ah I see…Mr Sutcliffe has time on his hands to “save” the Bulls.
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Shame he didn’t find the time to save jobs at his old work place which left hundreds of Bradfordians out of work!
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Pathetic excuse of a man wouldn’t even show up at meetings which he organised.
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I’d stay well clear of this joker unless you want ANOTHER disaster of your hands.

Steam Pigs wrote:

Philip Ennis wrote: Tvor, jog on back to city site, your negative thoughts not wanted on here. Correctness, the same applies to you, this is a rugby league forum, not egon ronay. Shaggy, did they mention money, no. Could be the council use for events in the city, eg the mela. Plus here go again, complaining already about the bidders. I couldn't give a ****, who runs/owns the club as long as we have a club to watch. Wow, yangy, can do maths,it's been £2.5 for a week now, where have you been, oh sorry you only post when it suits you. Back to rugby, a bit of competition is a healthy thing. Slc52, your usual input, meaning nothing, as normal?

spot on the money, especially about the trolls - 2 bids can only be good news and IF rumours are to be believed a third bid should be forthcoming

Wrong

This "site" is the T&A. A site covering news and sport in the Bradford area. It isnt a RL forum and never will be. If you want to claim exclusivity on this and other forums go away and post in t true RL forum not on a general Bradford news forum. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and you cannot label someone a troll just because they make reference to Bradford City on a Bradford News website.. I personally hope the Bulls are saved but not because I'm a fan its because I'm a resident of Bradford and always have been. I hope the best for both Bulls and City but some Bulls fans on here are so narrow minded and stupid they are resulting to childish name calling to anyone that has a different opinion to their own and die hard Bulls fans

I concur sutcliffe a joke. Ps sorry viking :-)

Making use of the ground for other activities, eg sport. Mela, etc. tvor this is on the bulls site, sorry to point this out to you. But, at this time we do not need negative thoughts. It may come to pass and your view of the bigger is right. I hope not but who knows. Certainly not us.

Andy2010, sorry to say this but the header at the Begining of site, states BULLS. Not city, not news, there are separate areas to post for them. I believe you're one of those who does not read, anything, but jumps straight in and answers post for post. Slc52, still ploughing away with the garbage. Re Viking unfortunately, for you, he has to decline your offer, as he is somewhat indisposed at this moment in time. To shelf rhino, Viking says hi, I'm progressing in the right direction. Once again thanks for your concern.

Andy2010 wrote:

Steam Pigs wrote:

Philip Ennis wrote: Tvor, jog on back to city site, your negative thoughts not wanted on here. Correctness, the same applies to you, this is a rugby league forum, not egon ronay. Shaggy, did they mention money, no. Could be the council use for events in the city, eg the mela. Plus here go again, complaining already about the bidders. I couldn't give a ****, who runs/owns the club as long as we have a club to watch. Wow, yangy, can do maths,it's been £2.5 for a week now, where have you been, oh sorry you only post when it suits you. Back to rugby, a bit of competition is a healthy thing. Slc52, your usual input, meaning nothing, as normal?

spot on the money, especially about the trolls - 2 bids can only be good news and IF rumours are to be believed a third bid should be forthcoming

Wrong

This "site" is the T&A. A site covering news and sport in the Bradford area. It isnt a RL forum and never will be. If you want to claim exclusivity on this and other forums go away and post in t true RL forum not on a general Bradford news forum. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and you cannot label someone a troll just because they make reference to Bradford City on a Bradford News website.. I personally hope the Bulls are saved but not because I'm a fan its because I'm a resident of Bradford and always have been. I hope the best for both Bulls and City but some Bulls fans on here are so narrow minded and stupid they are resulting to childish name calling to anyone that has a different opinion to their own and die hard Bulls fans

I totally agree with you, but making fun out of a guy (Adrian Purtell) who suffered a heart attack after a game, tell me what site that should be on?
Banter is OK by me but sick statements like that are too far IMO.

Philip Ennis either you are thick or just stupid.
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This article is in the "News" section - If you follow the blue hyperlink at the top of the page it states - Bradford Telegraph and Argus > News > *This article*
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I'd take some of your own advice if I was you.

IGNORE THE TROLLS - like all sad, lonely, desperate people they are looking for a response or bite to satisfy their dull mundane lives, just ignore and it winds them up even more........ :-)

It's in both the sections. So i suggest, laney1989, that you do read the posts. Idobelive an apology is needed. I am either thick or stupid. Are you? It's a forum re the bulls, or am I mistaken. I think I would look out of place posting on the city site re bulls or even the news or business sites. Correct me if I'm wrong.

All you asking why the council are "helping" the Bulls and not City - the council own the land at Odsal and do not own VP. They are protecting thier own interests and NOT helping the Bulls.

Bradford telegraph and argus>sport>bulls, is what it says in blue writing, at the head of the forum. So it's a BULLS site. Again neither thick or stupid.

Are you in denial or something?
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This isn't a "Bradford Bulls forum" as you put it.
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This is the T&A comments section, what's not hard to understand?
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If you want a "Bradford Bulls Forum" please follow this link > http://forums.rlfans
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There's a good boy.

Personally, as a fan I’m delighted to see a true Bradfordian with deep roots in the local community step up and do something in regards saving our club. Those who know Mr Khan or take the time do a bit of research on his track record will be aware that he has long served as a pillar of the community; he has deeply invested in Bradford both via his businesses and though a history of charity work.

The Bulls are central to the local community and Bradford life and to me it is essential that someone who understands this and has a history of civic engagement be the one to step up. Omar Khan fits that bill on all levels as well as possessing the business acumen and resources necessary to make the bid a sustainable long term success. However the primary reason I’m so enthusiastic is is I believe this bid is motivated first and foremost by doing what’s best for our city, and that’s both refreshing and what we need right now.

Of course it's going to be in both because it relates to both topics you numpty.

Philip Ennis wrote:
Andy2010, sorry to say this but the header at the Begining of site, states BULLS. Not city, not news, there are separate areas to post for them. I believe you're one of those who does not read, anything, but jumps straight in and answers post for post. Slc52, still ploughing away with the garbage. Re Viking unfortunately, for you, he has to decline your offer, as he is somewhat indisposed at this moment in time. To shelf rhino, Viking says hi, I'm progressing in the right direction. Once again thanks for your concern.

It is on the front news page, doesn't really matter as the SITE is the Telegraph and Argus SITE not a Bulls forum, this is a news story with open comments. Please understand and digest this before castigating people Mr P Ennis.

Laney1989, I resent your remarks, this is a site for posting re the bulls. If you have nothing else to say, then don't. Or are you thick and stupid. Now be a good boy and get lost.

"This is a site for postinig re the Bulls"
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Does this even make sense?
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This is the Telegraph & Argus "site" :-)
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You're not getting this are you?

I am so glad to hear my troll friend viking on the mend and look forward to seeing him hold court and putting the world to rights with his small band of hangers on hanging on his every word.

I am so glad to hear my troll friend viking on the mend and look forward to seeing him hold court and putting the world to rights with his small band of hangers on hanging on his every word.

Where has Mr Sutcliffe been all this time? This last minute bid is questionable with his association. If it a load of hot air then this will not look good for the MP.

To be honest I think I welcome Gerry Sutcliffes potential involment. I think it should mean that Odsal will not be used soley for 14 Rugby matches which is just plain stupidity. To make it work it has to be opened up to the wider community with more going on there than just rugby. Mr Sutcliffe is correct to say the Bulls/Northern are part of the city's heritage, and so is Speedway and I would anticipate if Mr Sutcliffe came on board having the opportunity to look at getting the bikes roaring again.

I agree, it is a forum on the t n a site, on the bulls. So what's the problem, laney, can,t find anything else to argue about. Prisoner you to can jog on back to city site and post on there.

Copied from t n a site on bulls,

Bradford Telegraph and Argus » Sport » Bulls »
BULLS RSS FEED says bulls to me not news, bantams, leisure etc.

I'm not aruging as you put it i'm mainly point out the fact that this isn't a Bradford Bulls Forum or any forum for that matter.
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Here >>> Take a read of this and see what you think >>> http://en.wikipedia.
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Have you turned into Kim Jong Il, P Ennis? Where do you get off telling people what to do and where to post? I don't post on a City site, I post on stories regarding Cityand also other newsworthy items. I came here to read this NEWS story and decided to comment when I realised that you were out of your depth and tried to help you define the difference between a site, a forum and a right to speech. You are singularly failing to comprehend, THIS IS A NEWSPAPER SITE WITH OPEN COMMENTS FOR PEOPLE TO COMMENT, NOT A BULLS FORUM OR SITE.

I'm afraid I haven't much to say on this topic but Gerry Sutcliffe hasn't got the best track record on anything he has touched.

Philip if you'd like I can send across my personal email address and I'll give you a couple of lessons on how to use the Internet.
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Do you know what a RSS Feed is?

Am i reading this right, we now have posters arguing whether this is a Bulls forum, a news forum or T and A forum.

Let me help you guys out, it is all 3.

Sometimes i think you guys would argue black is white to get a reaction.

Let's be right about this, we are all guessing what is going to happen and you are probably all a bit right and a bit wrong.

Which bits are right and wrong are anyone's guess for now though.

Whatever happens, the Bulls are definitely not out of the water for a while yet, some of my fellow Bantam fans will be disappointed if the council put money into the Bulls after they left City well alone in our hour of need. Some fellow Bulls fans would be disappointed if the Council didn't put money in now to help save the club. I know they have offered support and Cllr Green has mentioned a loan which leads me to believe that money would be the help that the council would offer although i am sure there are other ways to help as well.

Whatever happens in the next few weeks, lets all hope that the Bradford Bulls survive and Bradford City win league 2 and we all live happily ever after.

Laney1989 wrote:
Philip if you'd like I can send across my personal email address and I'll give you a couple of lessons on how to use the Internet.
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Do you know what a RSS Feed is?

Can`t you end this before one of you dies?

So now we have 2 local curry kings and property developers in a mexican stand off - thrashing it out as to who has the biggest clout amongst Bradford business community.

This is not poss all bout Bulls now, but a business conflict of interest, chuck into the equation a politician trying broker a deal for one party!

I would also suggest possibly that the 2 consortiums vying for the Bulls are on opposite sides i.e Indian Vs Pakistani?????

This then transcribes into a dick measuring contest!!!!!

Mumby was the best wrote:

Laney1989 wrote:
Philip if you'd like I can send across my personal email address and I'll give you a couple of lessons on how to use the Internet.
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Do you know what a RSS Feed is?

Can`t you end this before one of you dies?

I'm just pointing out a few facts.

Schoey 2 wrote:
So now we have 2 local curry kings and property developers in a mexican stand off - thrashing it out as to who has the biggest clout amongst Bradford business community.

This is not poss all bout Bulls now, but a business conflict of interest, chuck into the equation a politician trying broker a deal for one party!

I would also suggest possibly that the 2 consortiums vying for the Bulls are on opposite sides i.e Indian Vs Pakistani?????

This then transcribes into a dick measuring contest!!!!!

Bloomin hell - its 2 groups of business men, no doubt all born and bred in Bradford!!! skin colour and race/culture origin have no bearing whatsoever, unless you fear them???????

I don't know why there are not more people interested in bidding

Some world class money laundering opportunities available to the eventual winner

Schoey 2 wrote:
So now we have 2 local curry kings and property developers in a mexican stand off - thrashing it out as to who has the biggest clout amongst Bradford business community. This is not poss all bout Bulls now, but a business conflict of interest, chuck into the equation a politician trying broker a deal for one party! I would also suggest possibly that the 2 consortiums vying for the Bulls are on opposite sides i.e Indian Vs Pakistani????? This then transcribes into a dick measuring contest!!!!!

Now this is the type of idiocy that really needs to be brought to task on a thread like this, not someone stating facts like I do.

Bingley Bull wrote:
All you asking why the council are "helping" the Bulls and not City - the council own the land at Odsal and do not own VP. They are protecting thier own interests and NOT helping the Bulls.

I don't think that argument holds water. Wouldn't the RFL, as the lease holder, be liable to pay rent whether or not the Bulls were there? As the landlord the council would still be paid. I'm sure if anybody has a better understanding of the situation they will be along to correct me.

Can we please get back to talking about the Bulls and what the future has in store. I post on here, as do most people, not to antagonise or slag off others but to try bring a balanced view on what is happening and what potentially could happen. Sure, we're all guilty of a little naughty prod here and there but surely we all want this situation resolved. If the powers that be decide that the Bulls come through this turmoil then let's back them all the way, WHOEVER, takes control. You can't please all of the people all of the time, just some of them some of the time.

BD16 wrote:

Bingley Bull wrote: All you asking why the council are "helping" the Bulls and not City - the council own the land at Odsal and do not own VP. They are protecting thier own interests and NOT helping the Bulls.

I don't think that argument holds water. Wouldn't the RFL, as the lease holder, be liable to pay rent whether or not the Bulls were there? As the landlord the council would still be paid. I'm sure if anybody has a better understanding of the situation they will be along to correct me.

Yes I'm sure they would stillget the rent. How long is the lease for? How long would it be before the RFL looked to get rid of the lease if there was no RL played there?
The council have an interest in what happens to the site with or without the Bulls in situe.
At the end of tjhe day Clr Green said it - he was not the leader when City were in "trouble" and policies were not the same.
Surely the only thing that matters is the club continues. We can all share our sour grapes with each other after!

Sheffieldbull wrote:

Philip Ennis wrote:
But are they a stumbling block. If they make a profit on odsal, will placate other clubs. If they keep bulls in sl, might upset some clubs, but the talk of promotion and relegation, takes the pressure off that one. As we know several of the top clubs in sl, want us to stay for the amount of revenue our away support brings them. I expect this post to cause some deep thinking by certain people on here. Did I say deep thinking, meant no thinking.

Again.Bang on the money Philip.It makes me smile when some people refer to 'conditions' and RFL will or won't agree to - all purchases / sales are based on conditions, think about it!

All your post are so patronising you are such a supercilious soul. The RFL HAS stated they will NOT accept a bid with conditions attached. If you were not so full of your own importance you would know about these things.THINK ABOUT IT!!

The lease is a long lease with a rent of over £50k.The RFL paid over £1m for the lease.The reality the land is worth little as its contaminated land.The RFL want to make a profit on the lease but the values dot stack up.The ABC bid will not get past the RFL as they want big cash for the lease and a payment to creitors - why should someone uncomnnected to the club take responsibility for the clubs creditors or pay over the odds for the lease.The RFL think there is real long term value in the land - have they not heard of westfield.The RFL are trying to get themselves out of the hole- literally.The RFL are happy to let the Bulls die and allow a new bradford championship club come forward knowing t will have great support and will eventuallystand on its feet .The RFL nothing more than the pontius pilots of the rugby league world

Philip Ennis wrote:
Sheffieldbull, terms and conditions are a part of everyday life. Buying a car, house, etc. as I have said before people do not think about their answers but dive straight in. Once again, I would ask that they read about "indicative bid" , which was mentioned by guilfoyle. This would answer most questions. Although, I think that some people on here have a mind set, on saying nothing but ill against the bulls. The phrase "saying nothing" means a lot in more than one case on here.

Oh don't be so condescending. If you read what the RFL have said, they will NOT accept any bid with conditions attached that has nothing to do with the conditions of an agreement that may be forthcoming.It means simply any bid must NOT have conditions attached to it when submitted.

Bullcity wrote:
Now we will have 2 bids , surely the administrator will have the final say as to which one is put forward to the RFL?
If we are to believe the RFL that conditional bids are not acceptable then we are doomed as i said previously last week.
The only chance is by negotiation . The amount of procrastination means that even if we are succesful we will have lost the crown jewels in terms of coaches & players.--come on all you administration people & RFL --settle this NOW--put us out of our misery one way or the other and hopefully let us try keep our club going at its current high level of playing performance.

But the so called bids are not bids at all as the RFL will not accept them as they have conditions attached. What part of 'no conditions' do some on here not understand. Place your bid, conditions will be discussed later seems to be what the RFL are saying.

Is that why they are considering the bid. Gone through the executive cttee, now in front of rfl board. If they were not going to consider it, they wouldn't have let through. What they say and what they do, we have no control over.

Philip Ennis wrote:
Laney1989, I resent your remarks, this is a site for posting re the bulls. If you have nothing else to say, then don't. Or are you thick and stupid. Now be a good boy and get lost.

The only "thick and stupid" poster seems to be you. Cant you see when people are having a damned good laugh at your expense or do you always 'bite' so easily.

Murphys'law, I noticed you were name calling earlier, Sheffield bull and Philip ennis. Why? Like you they were stating what they believe to be true. Condescending, patronising, just like you. I notice you are beginning to change your train of thought. " place your bid, conditions will be discussed later " you imply that the rfl will look at the bid. Not ignore it. Can you explain your reasons for your change of view. Or are you coming round to our way of thinking.

murphyslaw wrote:

Sheffieldbull wrote:

Philip Ennis wrote:
But are they a stumbling block. If they make a profit on odsal, will placate other clubs. If they keep bulls in sl, might upset some clubs, but the talk of promotion and relegation, takes the pressure off that one. As we know several of the top clubs in sl, want us to stay for the amount of revenue our away support brings them. I expect this post to cause some deep thinking by certain people on here. Did I say deep thinking, meant no thinking.

Again.Bang on the money Philip.It makes me smile when some people refer to 'conditions' and RFL will or won't agree to - all purchases / sales are based on conditions, think about it!

All your post are so patronising you are such a supercilious soul. The RFL HAS stated they will NOT accept a bid with conditions attached. If you were not so full of your own importance you would know about these things.THINK ABOUT IT!!

Hold that thought coleslaw.
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supercilious eh, you talking to me sunshine? I'll tell your probation officer you've been using long words!.

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A few days ago, one of your posts showed your true colours. You are also a Troll and I claim my £5! :-)

What is a troll, asked the judge.

Sheffieldbull wrote:

murphyslaw wrote:

Sheffieldbull wrote:

Philip Ennis wrote: But are they a stumbling block. If they make a profit on odsal, will placate other clubs. If they keep bulls in sl, might upset some clubs, but the talk of promotion and relegation, takes the pressure off that one. As we know several of the top clubs in sl, want us to stay for the amount of revenue our away support brings them. I expect this post to cause some deep thinking by certain people on here. Did I say deep thinking, meant no thinking.

Again.Bang on the money Philip.It makes me smile when some people refer to 'conditions' and RFL will or won't agree to - all purchases / sales are based on conditions, think about it!

All your post are so patronising you are such a supercilious soul. The RFL HAS stated they will NOT accept a bid with conditions attached. If you were not so full of your own importance you would know about these things.THINK ABOUT IT!!

Hold that thought coleslaw. . supercilious eh, you talking to me sunshine? I'll tell your probation officer you've been using long words!. . A few days ago, one of your posts showed your true colours. You are also a Troll and I claim my £5! :-)

Anyone who posts anything that Sheffieldbull disagrees with is a troll it appears.

The RFL don't need to comprimise on anything, infact they can just replace the bulls if they aren't satisfied as they have the power to do so. I doubt they will but lets not be too sure about things eh.

Hull KR game moved to Friday 10th August for SKY TV. Big game,top eight spot up for grabs

The stadium needs investment, that is more than just a lick of paint. I can see the new Asian owners using the ground to promote Asian sports and music events. It just won't make sense to buy the club and play a dozen home games inbetween the odd firework display. Good news for the club, I think it's good news

Incorrect, a lot of people who disagree with me are not Trolls, but some are and It's my moral duty to identify these creatures so others don't need to, a public service if you like.

I would prefer using someone else than sutcliffe. After all under his parties watch the city has been left looking like a waste site.

Tvor, not gone back to city site yet. I agree they don't have to compromise, yes, they can, as the governing body do as they want. Also, as you rightly say doubt if they will. As to trolls, theses are the idiots on here, who post nothing but garbage, bring nothing to the table but insults. They can not hold a conversation or thought on rugby, in general, bulls in particular without resorting to name calling. Each and everyone of us on here are entitled to our opinions. Entitled to criticise other opinions. If we all thought the same, had the same ideas, where would we be. Still working out how to use a stick, set a fire, living in caves. It's having the freedom of speech and thought, that allows me and you to post on here. So let's get back to the bulls, the bids on the table, and talk sense. Not rubbish.

The obvious, see previous post. What has the fact of sutcliffe being the figurehead of this second bid, got to do with anything. As to bringing politics in to it, why? We're talking about the bulls, here. Not bulldust.

As a Bfd lass keeping up to date via T&A I feel Odsal should never have been given sole use to just one sport......who feel they are THE BEST and deserve the stadium just for them!! Since 1930 Odsal has hosted trials/scrambling/co
ssack horsemen/sheepdogtri
als/gymkhanas/cricke
t/kabaddi/Harlem Globetrotters and was even an ARP centre during WW2 and lets not forget Rugby and my beloved sport of Speedway. Odsal should be a stadium with facilities for all sports to bring success to Bradford. previous posters have said Speedway not an option as no-one wants to run a team anymore but at least if the track was still there we would still have a future option!! In these hard financial times the more tenents contributing to the rent the better!! Looking forward to this situation being resolved and the council making us proud to say we're from Bradford, a city with cultural differences but at least a sports stadium for all to use. Bring Back Speedway and don't forget the Exhibition at Industrial Museum portraying Bradfords rich Speedway heritage starting Aug 25th.

Taken from sky sports website

The Rugby Football League has confirmed that a formal written offer has been made for the Bradford Bulls.

Administrator Brendan Guilfoyle announced last Thursday that he had received a bid from a local consortium but 24 hours later the RFL cast doubt over any deal when they revealed nothing had been put in writing.

Now the governing body say they have seen details of the offer from a group of Asian businessmen, known as the ABC consortium, and were scrutinising the bid before handing it over for consideration by the RFL's board of directors.

"The RFL have received details of the formal written offer and they are currently being evaluated by the executive for presentation to the board," said a spokesman.
To me this blows the "conditions" argument out of the water. It is being considered.

Oh look viking has appeared after one of his minions said he was unavailable, nice to have you back again and good to hear your health is getting better it really is. Now back to business : viking, sheffield and mumby appear to be the troll ringleaders and if you dont agree they shout you down. People have opinions so listen, digest and post your own. Sorry viking :-)

theviking62 wrote:
Taken from sky sports website The Rugby Football League has confirmed that a formal written offer has been made for the Bradford Bulls. Administrator Brendan Guilfoyle announced last Thursday that he had received a bid from a local consortium but 24 hours later the RFL cast doubt over any deal when they revealed nothing had been put in writing. Now the governing body say they have seen details of the offer from a group of Asian businessmen, known as the ABC consortium, and were scrutinising the bid before handing it over for consideration by the RFL's board of directors. "The RFL have received details of the formal written offer and they are currently being evaluated by the executive for presentation to the board," said a spokesman. To me this blows the "conditions" argument out of the water. It is being considered.

So being considered is now the same as being accepted, it doesn't mean anything.

They can consider the conditions but can also reject them after consideration.

Dont upset the viking mafia.

Bradford remaining games: (17 points)
Wire A
Widnes H
Hull KR H
Huddersfield A
Hull FC H
Catalans A

I think we'll win 4 games out of those 6 and finish with 25 points.

Hull KR remaining games: (19 points)
Widnes A
Leeds H
Bradford A
Wakey H
Wigan H
London A

I think they'll win 3 games and finish on 25 as well.

Huddersfield remaining games: (22 points)

Saints A
Catalans H
Salford A
Bradford H
Wire A
Leeds H

They may lose all of their last games.
We can STILL MAKE the top 8 come the end of the season.

Let's hope we get there.

Tvor, what a fool you are, you said because there were conditions it wouldn't be considered. What are the rfl doing, if not considering it. Never once did i say they'd accept it. I think your begging to loose it. Slc52, as I also said a troll is one who posts nothing relevant to the site. Your last two posts, prove that. Troll.

A Troll is someone who posts abuse in order to gain a reaction.

Re read your last post Viking.

After trying to promote free speech here I honestly give up with some of the posters.

However why couldnt Odsal be used for music concerts ? I have always thought this and wondered why it was never considered or proposed. Would make an excellent venue for this purpose

just heard deal rejected by rfl.

Which City site do these Bull's fans keep referring to? TVOR, any idea fella? Maybe we should give it a try, might be ok.

I don't mind commenting on the newspaper SITE comments section about City but if there was a proper SITE we could use that would be marvelous.

PS, are they all from the 1960s?

UP THE BULLS :)

These comments are laughable. Get a grip and stop squabbling amongst yourselves.

Too many people feeding the trolls. If you just ignore them and their stupid comments, they will soon get bored and leave.

expatbull wrote:
just heard deal rejected by rfl.

ominous

Hudzilla wrote:
These comments are laughable. Get a grip and stop squabbling amongst yourselves. Too many people feeding the trolls. If you just ignore them and their stupid comments, they will soon get bored and leave.

A stupid comment being anything that is a negative opinion of any deal or goes against what regular posters say = TROLL

for gods sake grow up

After reading a lot of the dross from a lot of the dross makers. Apologies to all those that attempt a proper constructed debate about the actual article Header:

And having seen the majority of the ridiculous statements about Gerry Sutcliffes ability to run this bid through Mr Khan and of course the council.

Does anyone writing here Happen to know he is a well thought of figure in the seat of power..(not Shelfy's or SLC52 or even TVofRs limited understanding of how the country is organised through parliament) He is the chairman of the all party select committee for disability in sport.- ALL PARTY, do you understand?? Which means of course he isn't just a labour MP, he has influence at all levels. And as the ex Minister for Sports, and culture etc. who better to represent the Bulls in their struggle!
I despair of all those who didn't know didly squat about an ex government minister (not Pickles he's not ex. yet)
who can do so much good for his City and our CLUB..

http://www.bbc.co.uk
/sport/0/rugby-leagu
e/19003931 < Bad News

Andy2010 wrote:

Hudzilla wrote: These comments are laughable. Get a grip and stop squabbling amongst yourselves. Too many people feeding the trolls. If you just ignore them and their stupid comments, they will soon get bored and leave.

A stupid comment being anything that is a negative opinion of any deal or goes against what regular posters say = TROLL for gods sake grow up

No, I never said that did I?

I said 'stupid comments' that are put on to clearly annoy, and aggravate.

Please read my comment again.

Yep bad news. RFL flexing their muscles just like they did last year when wakey had conditions.

Time to explicit about what they. Any stomach... Not really explained anything on early reports.

Taken from rfl website, so not all bad,  

The RFL has today informed the business consortium which has tabled an offer to the administrator of Bradford Bulls that the conditions attached to their proposal to acquire the club are unacceptable.

The offer was submitted in writing on Tuesday but after careful consideration the RFL Board of Directors has deemed its conditional nature to be unreasonable and unrealistic.

Details of a further offer for Bradford Bulls are currently being assessed by the RFL, which will continue to work with the administrator to help find new owners for the club

Sky's website ....... ABC offer is rejected, the reason for the rejection, the conditions attached were unacceptable.... As Omar Khans offer has what are believed to be similar, if not the same conditions, this could be the last 24hours of the Bulls !!!!! What chance of the knight in shinning armour arriving ???

Well I've been saying since yesterday not to read anything into the points deduction and the fact that the RFL don't have to comprimise with anyone, partly in a way to try keep some peoples feet on the ground and not to get carried away and its been confirmed on the radio that the offer has been rejected as unreasonable.
To many this was on the cards to others who slate people who don't sing from the hymn sheet that they want to hear time for some humble pie.

emerald tyke wrote:
As a Bfd lass keeping up to date via T&amp;A I feel Odsal should never have been given sole use to just one sport......who feel they are THE BEST and deserve the stadium just for them!! Since 1930 Odsal has hosted trials/scrambling/co

ssack horsemen/sheepdogtri

als/gymkhanas/cricke

t/kabaddi/Harlem Globetrotters and was even an ARP centre during WW2 and lets not forget Rugby and my beloved sport of Speedway. Odsal should be a stadium with facilities for all sports to bring success to Bradford. previous posters have said Speedway not an option as no-one wants to run a team anymore but at least if the track was still there we would still have a future option!! In these hard financial times the more tenents contributing to the rent the better!! Looking forward to this situation being resolved and the council making us proud to say we're from Bradford, a city with cultural differences but at least a sports stadium for all to use. Bring Back Speedway and don't forget the Exhibition at Industrial Museum portraying Bradfords rich Speedway heritage starting Aug 25th.

best comment on here!
the COUNCIL owns odsal not the RFL or THE BULLS.
i want whats best for BRADFORD not them.
odsal as been around longer than the bulls so that counts more.
i comment when i am not busy at WORK!
something which seems to be a swear word these days!
pay my taxes so i am entitled to an opinion on where my COUNCIL FUNDS go and what happens to the COUNCIL owned land!!
rant over, goodnight.....

hi there
just something for you guys should know,r.f.l rejected bc bid ,just given out on calender news

sorry about that abc bid

Why is an MP involving himself in a private business matter ? Can he personally vouch for those involved ?

The RFL decision really makes me very angry - the decision itself is bad enough, but the lack of reasons given is insulting and maintains the tradition of all parties in this to offer as little explanation to the supporters as they can get away with. The only clue to the RFL's thinking is that they think the bid 'unreasonable and unrealistic' but on what grounds. Let us hear from them; the supporters who have contributed nothing to the present condition of the club deserve to be told. this kind of press release giving the very minimum of information is contemptible. What would be 'realistic and reasonable' - that a buyer buys the club without leasehold, and without the right to develop the stadium to increase the revenue streams. That seems to me to be unreasonable from the point of view of the buyer. this episode confirms me in my view that the RFL is no longer fit for purpose. If the club is liquidated, one of the prime culprits, besides the former directors, will be the RFL. It would be a good idea for the majority of the Premiership clubs to reject this decision by the RFL since I know, from my own correspondence, that Warrington want the bulls in Super League, and I believe that a majority of the other clubs do too.

olicanabull wrote:
The RFL decision really makes me very angry - the decision itself is bad enough, but the lack of reasons given is insulting and maintains the tradition of all parties in this to offer as little explanation to the supporters as they can get away with. The only clue to the RFL's thinking is that they think the bid 'unreasonable and unrealistic' but on what grounds. Let us hear from them; the supporters who have contributed nothing to the present condition of the club deserve to be told. this kind of press release giving the very minimum of information is contemptible. What would be 'realistic and reasonable' - that a buyer buys the club without leasehold, and without the right to develop the stadium to increase the revenue streams. That seems to me to be unreasonable from the point of view of the buyer. this episode confirms me in my view that the RFL is no longer fit for purpose. If the club is liquidated, one of the prime culprits, besides the former directors, will be the RFL. It would be a good idea for the majority of the Premiership clubs to reject this decision by the RFL since I know, from my own correspondence, that Warrington want the bulls in Super League, and I believe that a majority of the other clubs do too.

I feel for you, however, to blame the RFL for this debacle is outrageous. The people who are culpable are the previous boards and board members not the RFL !!!

Zingy bfd wrote:
As far as I am aware ABC have carried out their due dilligence and put forward a proposal based on its results.In comes Mr Suttcliffe late in the game playing to the gallery without carrying out due dilligence and making offers without understanding the dynamics.I note that in contrast to ABC who have kept their identity underwraps messrs suttcliffe and Khan are shoving their names everywhere.From what I can see is that Suttcliffe and Khans approach is that we will match the ABC bid but well package it with promises to the fans they can not achieve. The RFL who are looking for an excuse to kick the Bulls in the goolies will have a field day

The RFL bought the lease in order to save the club when the last chairman cocked up. The RFL have forwarded Sky money to the administrator to pay players before it was due. How on earth do you think they want to kick us in the goolies? If we go down, the RFL get a big financial kicking to boot. Get real.

Shaggy69 wrote:
Hmmmm........ Thought the council was not going to use rate payers cash to save the Bulls ??? Seems to be one rule for city, another for the Bulls........ Wonder why that is......... Oh wait, I know..... Let's take a look at the bidders !!!!

Any more whinging City fans want to add their two pennorth? Three times City went into administration and every time they survived. Paying Benito Carbone mega bucks to play in the premier league, and giving him a luxury house to boot bears NO resemblance to the situation the Bulls find themseves in. Working class game, players wages at average rates, and no luxury trappings, are the rugby player's lot, unlike the overpaid Premiership team that City foundered on back then. Oh, and if Bradford Council hadn't ok'd the big stand developments at VP in the face of local objections, you might be back groundsharing Odsal like you did after the disaster.

Philip Ennis wrote:
Andy2010, sorry to say this but the header at the Begining of site, states BULLS. Not city, not news, there are separate areas to post for them. I believe you're one of those who does not read, anything, but jumps straight in and answers post for post. Slc52, still ploughing away with the garbage. Re Viking unfortunately, for you, he has to decline your offer, as he is somewhat indisposed at this moment in time. To shelf rhino, Viking says hi, I'm progressing in the right direction. Once again thanks for your concern.

Glad to hear viking's making progress, some good news for all on here I'm sure.

Unlike the bid you've had rejected, which I said last week would happen, only for the usual suspect's to get all uppity. As per norm I was right.

If Sutcliffe wants to get involved with Khan in any way at all he should start by washing up in the kitchen and I bet he couldn't even get that right.

RFL not fit for purpose.They proved that beyond doubt on many occassions but in relation to the Bulls when the bought the lease of Odsal precipitating the banks into cancelling overdraft facilities and setting the train of events which has led to were you are today.The conditions are unacceptable as it would create a precendent which any future financially imperiled club could exploit.
On the other hand if the Bulls go into liquidation the RFL have a lease which generates no income.Catch 22.
The present situation has happened because of the greed of the elite clubs
who have neglected the origins of Rugby League.The sport has a whole needs to set its house in order recognising it strengths weakness's and realistic development opportunities.As for the Bulls if the alternative bid contains the same unacceptable conditions which the administrator must know whether this is the case or not and every day his meters running.The Bulls may survive but I am doubtful it will be in Super League.A sad day for rugby,The Bulls,Staff and Supporters but as in most areas of life the culprits of a problem are rarely the casualities.

Shipley Paul wrote:

Shaggy69 wrote:
Hmmmm........ Thought the council was not going to use rate payers cash to save the Bulls ??? Seems to be one rule for city, another for the Bulls........ Wonder why that is......... Oh wait, I know..... Let's take a look at the bidders !!!!

Any more whinging City fans want to add their two pennorth? Three times City went into administration and every time they survived. Paying Benito Carbone mega bucks to play in the premier league, and giving him a luxury house to boot bears NO resemblance to the situation the Bulls find themseves in. Working class game, players wages at average rates, and no luxury trappings, are the rugby player's lot, unlike the overpaid Premiership team that City foundered on back then. Oh, and if Bradford Council hadn't ok'd the big stand developments at VP in the face of local objections, you might be back groundsharing Odsal like you did after the disaster.

FYI ........ Not a City fan !!! Get a grip...... Not all people who post on here are anti bulls !!! Just some bulls fans only want to hear one side of the argument.... It's called freedom of speech !!!!

Sheffieldbull wrote:

murphyslaw wrote:

Sheffieldbull wrote:

Philip Ennis wrote:
But are they a stumbling block. If they make a profit on odsal, will placate other clubs. If they keep bulls in sl, might upset some clubs, but the talk of promotion and relegation, takes the pressure off that one. As we know several of the top clubs in sl, want us to stay for the amount of revenue our away support brings them. I expect this post to cause some deep thinking by certain people on here. Did I say deep thinking, meant no thinking.

Again.Bang on the money Philip.It makes me smile when some people refer to 'conditions' and RFL will or won't agree to - all purchases / sales are based on conditions, think about it!

All your post are so patronising you are such a supercilious soul. The RFL HAS stated they will NOT accept a bid with conditions attached. If you were not so full of your own importance you would know about these things.THINK ABOUT IT!!

Hold that thought coleslaw.
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supercilious eh, you talking to me sunshine? I'll tell your probation officer you've been using long words!.

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A few days ago, one of your posts showed your true colours. You are also a Troll and I claim my £5! :-)

Arent you feeling just a tad silly now that a bid has been rejected RFL because of attached condtions?the trouble with people like you is you honestly think you know when in reallity........ Oh and glad you googled the word superscilious It pays to keep up!

Baildonboy wrote:
Why should'nt BMDC put some money into keeping the Bulls going - it would make economic sense.

Just look across at Leeds - their Council finances the cricket club,their University sponsors both codes with significant sums of money.

Why can't that happen in Bradford ?

Interestingly,Rhino'

s main sponsor is a building society.Why don't the Yorkshire BS get on board in a similiar fashion ? There is such little support from the major corporates in Bradford area.

The clue is in the name. Why wouldn't Leeds BS sponsor Leeds? Why should Yorkshire BS sponsor a Bradford team? They are now a national company with the acquisition of Chelsea BS (South-West based), Barnsley BS and Norwich & Peterborough BS (South-East based).
However, I do believe they are/were involved with the Dog Botherers and the Gnats from Kirklees.

Surely the question on everyones lips is why viking62 is now theviking62 these questions need addressing, is it the real troll viking or a sensible poster ?

what a bunch of jokers I think i'm gonna put a bid in tomorrow..ha ha..! ABC is a genuine group of businessmen who are serious in their bid however same cannot be said about the Sooty and Khan show. Sooty has been an MP for over 12 years so why the sudden urge to help the Bulls?

TirNaNog wrote:

Baildonboy wrote:
Why should'nt BMDC put some money into keeping the Bulls going - it would make economic sense.

Just look across at Leeds - their Council finances the cricket club,their University sponsors both codes with significant sums of money.

Why can't that happen in Bradford ?

Interestingly,Rhino'


s main sponsor is a building society.Why don't the Yorkshire BS get on board in a similiar fashion ? There is such little support from the major corporates in Bradford area.

The clue is in the name. Why wouldn't Leeds BS sponsor Leeds? Why should Yorkshire BS sponsor a Bradford team? They are now a national company with the acquisition of Chelsea BS (South-West based), Barnsley BS and Norwich &amp; Peterborough BS (South-East based).
However, I do believe they are/were involved with the Dog Botherers and the Gnats from Kirklees.

Companies/ Institutions liked to be linked to others who give a good reflection of their product.
The dulls don't reflect anything in a good light. Fiddling the exchequer, not paying local suppliers and staff, and having a pathetic business plan for two years running will hardly endear you to anyone,even your local council. They must cringe every time your name is dragged across the tv and newspapers.

Mik_e wrote:
Why is an MP involving himself in a private business matter ? Can he personally vouch for those involved ?

Can he bull...!

Zingy bfd wrote:
As far as I am aware ABC have carried out their due dilligence and put forward a proposal based on its results.In comes Mr Suttcliffe late in the game playing to the gallery without carrying out due dilligence and making offers without understanding the dynamics.I note that in contrast to ABC who have kept their identity underwraps messrs suttcliffe and Khan are shoving their names everywhere.From what I can see is that Suttcliffe and Khans approach is that we will match the ABC bid but well package it with promises to the fans they can not achieve. The RFL who are looking for an excuse to kick the Bulls in the goolies will have a field day

You are clearly associated with the ABC lot to have such knowledge.

I wonder why your lot have kept their name under wraps though Mr Akbar did not with his front page pic just a couple of weeks ago.

I would very much guess now rejected that it was poorly presented,unrealisti
c,unachievable and expected something for nothing.

And perhaps those in the know as to Andy2010 and myself(whoever you are Andy)have done their own intelligence as to background with research from all statutory authorities,includin
g the police.

Just because there may have been no press reporting does not mean MI5 and the police dont hold a dossier.

Perhaps you should ask Naz of the truth.

Because believe you me this sad and sorry episode has tarnished the name of our great sport and there is much healing to be done.

And the RFL will have done their own due diligence given the seriousness of the level insolvency.

It is an absolute disgrace the way the financial and legal management has been led for ten years.

And a man who is a serving politician and a man with a long record of working with charitable causes MAY present a far better political long term proposition for restoring confidence that things may be at least run with probity.

And as for your comment which I interpret as "why should we pay the creditors when we did not get the club into this mess" I would say the following.
1.The supporters have contributed £400000 to allowing those players contracts to run down for a further 3 months to when most will expire in a little over 2 months
2.Leeds and warrington have also "donated" significantly to that same end.
3.There is a moral and political compass to that end in that many small businessmen are potentially bankrupt if not paid whilst a super league player earning some perhaps thousands in a week continues to be paid in full.The clocks ticking fo them.
They hopefully would if good enough find gainfull employ when their contracts are up.Many are stating the intent to do that.The small bisinessman has no such means of finding another outlet for his pork pies.

4.The land has long term (if we ever see any light in the dark tunnel of recession)significan
t value above the million paid by the RFL.It is next to the motorway for gods sake and you can see what M & S have done on the other side.There is enough land behind the motorway to build with a road link with enough room for two White Roses,a meadowhall and Trafford centre merged to one.Or another logistics firm if internet shopping continues to take off.

I see the bigger picture.

You small minded people think you can opportunistically grab it and stuff the creditors.

I no longer care if the Bulls dont survive Super League.
The players contracts are up soon.

There will be chance to regroup as BPA have had to.

Then you can all blame Caisley and Hood and rightly so.

Tell your mates they will get it on the cheap over this cities dead body.

The Bulls will survive.

The Council see the merit in the land not falling into the hands of people who live pipedreams,fail to abide by planning procedures and fill them with mistrust.

Gerry Sutcliffe for all his failings and I am sure he will accept that given that he was part of a government controlled by Ayatolah Blair and Campbell has Bradfords bigger picture in his heart.
He will need men of proper balls than the Eddie Balls and his **** type to acheive long term the aspirations of Bradfordians such as me.

And men of moral compass.

The RFL haas clearly done its due dilligence test.

And your consortiums bid is not acceptable.

The Bulls will survive.
Leaner and hopefully better run.

I would say Bradford City are now far better run than when they were in the premiership.
Lawn and particularly Dave Baldwin despite inheriting massive problems,pay what they can afford.
And if that means fourth division football with 10000 there (even 17000 one game)so be it.

You cannot live beyond your means.
The 400 at Bradford Park Avenue are just as delighted that a team are playing in Green And White every week than one that is not.

But it is still not pleasant passing the Horton park avenue graveyard and I would hate to have to feel the same passing Odsal.

So get real.No hold to ransome offers.

Put up or f**** off.

And remember how Naz started.

The Bulls will be saved with or without you.

Yes certain land is contaminated but is still development land with the right backing of the said statutory authorities behind it

arhmen aleg wrote:

Zingy bfd wrote: As far as I am aware ABC have carried out their due dilligence and put forward a proposal based on its results.In comes Mr Suttcliffe late in the game playing to the gallery without carrying out due dilligence and making offers without understanding the dynamics.I note that in contrast to ABC who have kept their identity underwraps messrs suttcliffe and Khan are shoving their names everywhere.From what I can see is that Suttcliffe and Khans approach is that we will match the ABC bid but well package it with promises to the fans they can not achieve. The RFL who are looking for an excuse to kick the Bulls in the goolies will have a field day

You are clearly associated with the ABC lot to have such knowledge. I wonder why your lot have kept their name under wraps though Mr Akbar did not with his front page pic just a couple of weeks ago. I would very much guess now rejected that it was poorly presented,unrealisti c,unachievable and expected something for nothing. And perhaps those in the know as to Andy2010 and myself(whoever you are Andy)have done their own intelligence as to background with research from all statutory authorities,includin g the police. Just because there may have been no press reporting does not mean MI5 and the police dont hold a dossier. Perhaps you should ask Naz of the truth. Because believe you me this sad and sorry episode has tarnished the name of our great sport and there is much healing to be done. And the RFL will have done their own due diligence given the seriousness of the level insolvency. It is an absolute disgrace the way the financial and legal management has been led for ten years. And a man who is a serving politician and a man with a long record of working with charitable causes MAY present a far better political long term proposition for restoring confidence that things may be at least run with probity. And as for your comment which I interpret as &quot;why should we pay the creditors when we did not get the club into this mess" I would say the following. 1.The supporters have contributed £400000 to allowing those players contracts to run down for a further 3 months to when most will expire in a little over 2 months 2.Leeds and warrington have also "donated" significantly to that same end. 3.There is a moral and political compass to that end in that many small businessmen are potentially bankrupt if not paid whilst a super league player earning some perhaps thousands in a week continues to be paid in full.The clocks ticking fo them. They hopefully would if good enough find gainfull employ when their contracts are up.Many are stating the intent to do that.The small bisinessman has no such means of finding another outlet for his pork pies. 4.The land has long term (if we ever see any light in the dark tunnel of recession)significan t value above the million paid by the RFL.It is next to the motorway for gods sake and you can see what M &amp; S have done on the other side.There is enough land behind the motorway to build with a road link with enough room for two White Roses,a meadowhall and Trafford centre merged to one.Or another logistics firm if internet shopping continues to take off. I see the bigger picture. You small minded people think you can opportunistically grab it and stuff the creditors. I no longer care if the Bulls dont survive Super League. The players contracts are up soon. There will be chance to regroup as BPA have had to. Then you can all blame Caisley and Hood and rightly so. Tell your mates they will get it on the cheap over this cities dead body. The Bulls will survive. The Council see the merit in the land not falling into the hands of people who live pipedreams,fail to abide by planning procedures and fill them with mistrust. Gerry Sutcliffe for all his failings and I am sure he will accept that given that he was part of a government controlled by Ayatolah Blair and Campbell has Bradfords bigger picture in his heart. He will need men of proper balls than the Eddie Balls and his **** type to acheive long term the aspirations of Bradfordians such as me. And men of moral compass. The RFL haas clearly done its due dilligence test. And your consortiums bid is not acceptable. The Bulls will survive. Leaner and hopefully better run. I would say Bradford City are now far better run than when they were in the premiership. Lawn and particularly Dave Baldwin despite inheriting massive problems,pay what they can afford. And if that means fourth division football with 10000 there (even 17000 one game)so be it. You cannot live beyond your means. The 400 at Bradford Park Avenue are just as delighted that a team are playing in Green And White every week than one that is not. But it is still not pleasant passing the Horton park avenue graveyard and I would hate to have to feel the same passing Odsal. So get real.No hold to ransome offers. Put up or f**** off. And remember how Naz started. The Bulls will be saved with or without you. Yes certain land is contaminated but is still development land with the right backing of the said statutory authorities behind it

Eddie Balls and his boll*cks type.

Zingy bfd wrote:
The lease is a long lease with a rent of over £50k.The RFL paid over £1m for the lease.The reality the land is worth little as its contaminated land.The RFL want to make a profit on the lease but the values dot stack up.The ABC bid will not get past the RFL as they want big cash for the lease and a payment to creitors - why should someone uncomnnected to the club take responsibility for the clubs creditors or pay over the odds for the lease.The RFL think there is real long term value in the land - have they not heard of westfield.The RFL are trying to get themselves out of the hole- literally.The RFL are happy to let the Bulls die and allow a new bradford championship club come forward knowing t will have great support and will eventuallystand on its feet .The RFL nothing more than the pontius pilots of the rugby league world

50000 rent per annum

175 paying customers at £20 per head will pay that in 15 matches.

The Bulls average 14000.

Its not easy to see where the losses are wracked up.

In overpaying everything else.

Sutcliffe and Khan will have Bradfords long term interest at heart far more than a group of property speculators.

And if backed by council loans why not.

As I have said there is enough long term land with development potential.
And yes they are offering a fans say that could translate into being a stakeholder.

Invest in Bradford Bradfordians not in Akbars partners whoever their cloak and dagger background may be.

Why are they so scared to reveal their identity?

frightened those of us Bradfordians in the know will be able to dig more scandal up.?

craftykhan wrote:
what a bunch of jokers I think i'm gonna put a bid in tomorrow..ha ha..! ABC is a genuine group of businessmen who are serious in their bid however same cannot be said about the Sooty and Khan show. Sooty has been an MP for over 12 years so why the sudden urge to help the Bulls?

He'd be as good at running a rugby club has he is a MP, in fact he would be better at anything than he is a MP.

Remember what a good job Sutcliffe did at getting his former employers to close shop in Bradford, back when he was a slimy shop steward. Leopards can't change their spots. He's still a slimeball and this just proves it. He's on another ego trip methinks

with regards to the Sutcliffe and Khan Bid I believe they have been transparent in their approach unlike the ABC who have choosen to hide behind their front man who runs a succsessful chain of restaurants!!! why they have choosen to do this one can only make assumptions!!!
Anyway I am only interested in the future of the bulls and its ongoing heritage in this great city. The approach from Sutcliffe and Khan to liaise with all parties including the fans shows me that they have the club at the heart of there proposal/bid and its continuation within the super league. From what I have read in the papers they seem to be providing ongoing information as to where they are at and the stumbling blocks which need to be overcome to make their bid successful, and I do hope they develop the ground for the sake of the bulls, rugby league and us the fans.

Most people do not know that Omar khan already has a large property portfolio....just speak to people from hall lane off Wakefield road, they'll show you he already owns about half the estate. So I cannot see him bulldozing odsal for a few flats. This is just a clever accountants decision...money not safe in accounts so best thing to do in economic uncertainty is buy up a commodity such as the bulls and you can resell it when the markets get better. Shame if this is the case. Obvious to me that it is.

truebull1 wrote:
with regards to the Sutcliffe and Khan Bid I believe they have been transparent in their approach unlike the ABC who have choosen to hide behind their front man who runs a succsessful chain of restaurants!!! why they have choosen to do this one can only make assumptions!!! Anyway I am only interested in the future of the bulls and its ongoing heritage in this great city. The approach from Sutcliffe and Khan to liaise with all parties including the fans shows me that they have the club at the heart of there proposal/bid and its continuation within the super league. From what I have read in the papers they seem to be providing ongoing information as to where they are at and the stumbling blocks which need to be overcome to make their bid successful, and I do hope they develop the ground for the sake of the bulls, rugby league and us the fans.

you are fooling yourself if you think any of these bids are transparent of if indeed any of the bidders are interested either in Rugby or indeed the club. At the end of the day this is down pure and simple to money and what they can make in the long run on this investment. They couldnt care less about the fans but have to play along due to the revenue streams.. Makes me laugh everyone speculating about conditions etc and guessing what they are and what got rejected. At the end of the day it has nothing to do with any fan what conditions are attached or indeed why the RFl rejected it. Its a pure and simple business decision made in private. What will happen will happen and the fans have no input into this whatsoever. If they had from day one why wasnt a fan consortium put together to buy the club and run by proxies ? For the bargain guessed price of £3m that would have been easy to raise. No-one stepped up and left it to the businessmen so please leave it that way and know your place

Please now commence calling me a troll etc etc

Slimeball is to good a word when describing Mr Sutcliffe .

Anything to do with Suttcliffe has got to be a non-starter, I would stay well clear of him. All he is trying to do is raise his own profile. This bloke is a fraud and nothing else.