Aussie half-back Herbert may step into Orford shoes at Odsal

Bradford Telegraph and Argus: New Bulls coach Mick Potter has made Marc Herbert his latest signing at Odsal New Bulls coach Mick Potter has made Marc Herbert his latest signing at Odsal

The Bulls have taken their number of off-season recruits into double figures after today completing a deal for half-back Marc Herbert.

The 23-year-old Aussie, recently released by Canberra Raiders, has signed up for a one-year stay at Odsal and appears to be the natural successor to Matt Orford’s No 7 jersey.

Although the club have yet to finalise Orford’s departure, it was confirmed earlier this week the veteran playmaker had requested a release – albeit one dependant on interested clubs buying the former Dally M Medal-winner out of the final two years of his contract.

Herbert is set to take the departing star’s overseas quota spot for the coming season and is expected to link up with his new team-mates for pre-season training late next month.

“I am really excited to be joining the Bulls,” said Herbert, who is the club’s tenth new signing for 2011.

“Super League will be a different experience for me and I intend to make the most of the opportunity.

Super League will be a different experience for me and I intend to make the most of the opportunity

Marc Herbert

“Having spoken to Mick Potter, I am really looking forward to getting across and into pre-season training.”

Despite starting 2010 as the Raiders’ first-choice scrum half, Herbert lost his place to Josh McCrone and struggled with an ankle injury throughout much of the campaign, while featuring for Queensland Cup high-flyers Souths Logan.

Upon his release, he was initially rumoured to be a target for Melbourne Storm as a replacement for Wigan-bound Brett Finch but has instead decided to leave the NRL after making 23 first-grade appearances since his debut in 2007.

The Bulls are also thought to have seen off competition from Hull FC and another Super League club to sign Herbert.

Bradford coach Mick Potter said: “Marc is a player I have been aware of for some time. I am sure he will make a very good Super League player and he brings a lot of qualities to the side.

“I have spoken to him at length and outlined what I want him to do for the club. I have every confidence that he will be a big success in the role I see for him and I know he is really looking forward to joining the Bulls.”

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7:12am Fri 29 Oct 10

jambo says...

Good young player. On a one year deal, probably while Southernwood develops.
Good young player. On a one year deal, probably while Southernwood develops. jambo

7:19am Fri 29 Oct 10

flashdonut says...

Get in. The type of player I wanted to sign. I truly believe though that we must have a 'wise old head' at lined up for stand-off, to protect the kid. Somebody like Leon Pryce would be ideal.
Get in. The type of player I wanted to sign. I truly believe though that we must have a 'wise old head' at lined up for stand-off, to protect the kid. Somebody like Leon Pryce would be ideal. flashdonut

7:20am Fri 29 Oct 10

mumbyfan says...

Young 23 year old Aussie will need time to settle, but there should not be any great expectations placed upon and the media attention like there was with Orford. Good luck to him.
At least Potter will look after him.

I see Macca has made just the 11 changes to the team for Saturday night.

No surprises from Bradford over this decision! We will get shafted. Lump on.

Call me old fashioned but the warm up games are to warm up your starting 13 are they not?
Young 23 year old Aussie will need time to settle, but there should not be any great expectations placed upon and the media attention like there was with Orford. Good luck to him. At least Potter will look after him. I see Macca has made just the 11 changes to the team for Saturday night. No surprises from Bradford over this decision! We will get shafted. Lump on. Call me old fashioned but the warm up games are to warm up your starting 13 are they not? mumbyfan

7:25am Fri 29 Oct 10

littletubbstaylor says...

Reading MP`s comments i still think he`s got 2 more signings meanig as jambo says one year deal-bring him on with Southernwood and bring in some experience.
Reading MP`s comments i still think he`s got 2 more signings meanig as jambo says one year deal-bring him on with Southernwood and bring in some experience. littletubbstaylor

7:31am Fri 29 Oct 10

Greenbull77 says...

Super League will be a different experience for me and I intend to make the most of the opportunityAmazing! Young Aussie who after a starting place, very hungry to be first choice and an out and out 7. Couldn't ask for anything else! Big smile!:-) Plus we have an all aus 7,8,9. :-)
Super League will be a different experience for me and I intend to make the most of the opportunityAmazing! Young Aussie who after a starting place, very hungry to be first choice and an out and out 7. Couldn't ask for anything else! Big smile!:-) Plus we have an all aus 7,8,9. :-) Greenbull77

7:34am Fri 29 Oct 10

the1bully says...

Well if you are all honest- it could go either way. Nobody on here is in a position to say how he will go. Fingers crossed. Offered nothing in nrl but who knows in superleague.
In case u all don't know, McNamara is now t joke of australia too n not just Bradford- tomkins asked macca to play fullback this week- widdop declined centre so was dropped- t only kid who supported breaks gets dropped!!!! Jobs for t fcuking boys- macca is acting like an u12s coach!!! god I'm gonna get some stick at AAMI Park- fingers crossed for terrential rain!!!!
Well if you are all honest- it could go either way. Nobody on here is in a position to say how he will go. Fingers crossed. Offered nothing in nrl but who knows in superleague. In case u all don't know, McNamara is now t joke of australia too n not just Bradford- tomkins asked macca to play fullback this week- widdop declined centre so was dropped- t only kid who supported breaks gets dropped!!!! Jobs for t fcuking boys- macca is acting like an u12s coach!!! god I'm gonna get some stick at AAMI Park- fingers crossed for terrential rain!!!! the1bully

8:02am Fri 29 Oct 10

VJ Man says...

This suggests to me that a compensation deal is almost done. I don't think we would make this signing unless we knew we had decent compo money for Orful.
Herbert has a lot to prove, and I think he will turn out to be a quality signing, would have liked to have seen a 2 year deal though as I think Southernwood is still at least a year away from a full time team slot.
Nice one MP.
This suggests to me that a compensation deal is almost done. I don't think we would make this signing unless we knew we had decent compo money for Orful. Herbert has a lot to prove, and I think he will turn out to be a quality signing, would have liked to have seen a 2 year deal though as I think Southernwood is still at least a year away from a full time team slot. Nice one MP. VJ Man

8:17am Fri 29 Oct 10

ste25bfc says...

Can he kick for goal? price and Luke Robinson then we have a team
Can he kick for goal? price and Luke Robinson then we have a team ste25bfc

8:26am Fri 29 Oct 10

Steampig says...

sounds like we have made a good signing, i think its probably an initial 12 months with a view to extending depending on how he goes. ,

Looking at England team we are going to get a real hammering at the weekend, i know i dont have to tell anybody on here but macca really is out of his depth and will leave all english RL fans embarrassed because of his ineptitude !
sounds like we have made a good signing, i think its probably an initial 12 months with a view to extending depending on how he goes. , Looking at England team we are going to get a real hammering at the weekend, i know i dont have to tell anybody on here but macca really is out of his depth and will leave all english RL fans embarrassed because of his ineptitude ! Steampig

8:27am Fri 29 Oct 10

Russell Crowe says...

For Craig Bellamy to want him at Melbourne he must be a good player. Craig Bellamy doesnt choose poor players. I havent seen the lad play but with Bellamy being interested im suire we have got a decent player.
For Craig Bellamy to want him at Melbourne he must be a good player. Craig Bellamy doesnt choose poor players. I havent seen the lad play but with Bellamy being interested im suire we have got a decent player. Russell Crowe

8:33am Fri 29 Oct 10

Sheffieldbull says...

Young hungry aussie who is keen to impress sounds good to me. The one year contract is in line with a lot of the other new additions and it suggests a 'belt and braces' approach for the club - good.
On the England selection, what is there to say, mumbyfan has summed it up perfectly - we Bulls fans are completely used to it, thank god its not just our problem anymore.
Young hungry aussie who is keen to impress sounds good to me. The one year contract is in line with a lot of the other new additions and it suggests a 'belt and braces' approach for the club - good. On the England selection, what is there to say, mumbyfan has summed it up perfectly - we Bulls fans are completely used to it, thank god its not just our problem anymore. Sheffieldbull

8:45am Fri 29 Oct 10

The J Man says...

Not a great shock this & really dont know which side of the fence to fall on yet??

I know a lot of the stories are complete bulls**t but after reading some of the names we've been linked with recently i feel this is a bit of a damp squib & i cant help feeling a little disappointed.

On the one hand i keep thinking that Canberra have released him despite losing their top half for most of next season through injury so surely they'd have kept him if he was half decent?? However, i then look at the fact that the Storm were allegedly chasing him so he cant be that bad & i also think of Michael Dobson here given the Raiders binned him twice & he has turned in2 a great SL player.

Suppose this puts to bed the Robinson & Burrow rumours & looks like it leaves either Leon or Bosc for stand off now??

Whatever happens, i'll certainly get behind the lad next season now my season ticket is in the bag. Suppose a young hungry scrum half must be better than an ageing pampered prima donna surely??!!??
Not a great shock this & really dont know which side of the fence to fall on yet?? I know a lot of the stories are complete bulls**t but after reading some of the names we've been linked with recently i feel this is a bit of a damp squib & i cant help feeling a little disappointed. On the one hand i keep thinking that Canberra have released him despite losing their top half for most of next season through injury so surely they'd have kept him if he was half decent?? However, i then look at the fact that the Storm were allegedly chasing him so he cant be that bad & i also think of Michael Dobson here given the Raiders binned him twice & he has turned in2 a great SL player. Suppose this puts to bed the Robinson & Burrow rumours & looks like it leaves either Leon or Bosc for stand off now?? Whatever happens, i'll certainly get behind the lad next season now my season ticket is in the bag. Suppose a young hungry scrum half must be better than an ageing pampered prima donna surely??!!?? The J Man

8:47am Fri 29 Oct 10

helenshep says...

At last the news we wanted, a young Aussie half back with a point to prove , Well done MP - Bring it on !!!
At last the news we wanted, a young Aussie half back with a point to prove , Well done MP - Bring it on !!! helenshep

8:52am Fri 29 Oct 10

joevolcano says...

ste25bfc wrote:
Can he kick for goal? price and Luke Robinson then we have a team
Bulls spoke with Robinson a couple of weeks ago but he's happy at Huddersfield. They offered Luke Dorn a deal but Quins beat it so he resigned for them.

Let's hope this lad is another Michael Donson, an unknown halfback with a point to prove.
[quote][p][bold]ste25bfc[/bold] wrote: Can he kick for goal? price and Luke Robinson then we have a team[/p][/quote]Bulls spoke with Robinson a couple of weeks ago but he's happy at Huddersfield. They offered Luke Dorn a deal but Quins beat it so he resigned for them. Let's hope this lad is another Michael Donson, an unknown halfback with a point to prove. joevolcano

9:00am Fri 29 Oct 10

Eddiethepom says...

I remember watching Marc Herbert in his debut, against the Titans I think. Anyway at the time I thought he looked pretty promising.

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He muscles up in defenece, can guide a team around the paddock pretty well and is not afraid to take on the line when required.

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I get the impression that he was released in part due to him asking for it. The niggling injuries didn't help matters.

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Overall a good signing, one who will want to prove himself and will be hungry to suceed.

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Well done MP!!!
I remember watching Marc Herbert in his debut, against the Titans I think. Anyway at the time I thought he looked pretty promising. . He muscles up in defenece, can guide a team around the paddock pretty well and is not afraid to take on the line when required. . I get the impression that he was released in part due to him asking for it. The niggling injuries didn't help matters. . Overall a good signing, one who will want to prove himself and will be hungry to suceed. . Well done MP!!! Eddiethepom

9:01am Fri 29 Oct 10

Adey says...

joevolcano wrote:
ste25bfc wrote:
Can he kick for goal? price and Luke Robinson then we have a team
Bulls spoke with Robinson a couple of weeks ago but he's happy at Huddersfield. They offered Luke Dorn a deal but Quins beat it so he resigned for them.

Let's hope this lad is another Michael Donson, an unknown halfback with a point to prove.
Agreed. From a scrum half under extreme pressure to succeed, to an unknown...it'll either be a train wreck or one of the best signings we've ever made. 23 years old, hungry to play, big pack to play behind...I reckon he'll do alright. Just need an experienced halfback partner now and we're set.
[quote][p][bold]joevolcano[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ste25bfc[/bold] wrote: Can he kick for goal? price and Luke Robinson then we have a team[/p][/quote]Bulls spoke with Robinson a couple of weeks ago but he's happy at Huddersfield. They offered Luke Dorn a deal but Quins beat it so he resigned for them. Let's hope this lad is another Michael Donson, an unknown halfback with a point to prove.[/p][/quote]Agreed. From a scrum half under extreme pressure to succeed, to an unknown...it'll either be a train wreck or one of the best signings we've ever made. 23 years old, hungry to play, big pack to play behind...I reckon he'll do alright. Just need an experienced halfback partner now and we're set. Adey

9:03am Fri 29 Oct 10

Sheffieldbull says...

Eddiethepom wrote:
I remember watching Marc Herbert in his debut, against the Titans I think. Anyway at the time I thought he looked pretty promising. . He muscles up in defenece, can guide a team around the paddock pretty well and is not afraid to take on the line when required. . I get the impression that he was released in part due to him asking for it. The niggling injuries didn't help matters. . Overall a good signing, one who will want to prove himself and will be hungry to suceed. . Well done MP!!!
Good feedback Eddie, thanks for that -sounds even more promising now.
[quote][p][bold]Eddiethepom[/bold] wrote: I remember watching Marc Herbert in his debut, against the Titans I think. Anyway at the time I thought he looked pretty promising. . He muscles up in defenece, can guide a team around the paddock pretty well and is not afraid to take on the line when required. . I get the impression that he was released in part due to him asking for it. The niggling injuries didn't help matters. . Overall a good signing, one who will want to prove himself and will be hungry to suceed. . Well done MP!!![/p][/quote]Good feedback Eddie, thanks for that -sounds even more promising now. Sheffieldbull

9:19am Fri 29 Oct 10

macmoody says...

The J Man wrote:
Not a great shock this & really dont know which side of the fence to fall on yet?? I know a lot of the stories are complete bulls**t but after reading some of the names we've been linked with recently i feel this is a bit of a damp squib & i cant help feeling a little disappointed. On the one hand i keep thinking that Canberra have released him despite losing their top half for most of next season through injury so surely they'd have kept him if he was half decent?? However, i then look at the fact that the Storm were allegedly chasing him so he cant be that bad & i also think of Michael Dobson here given the Raiders binned him twice & he has turned in2 a great SL player. Suppose this puts to bed the Robinson & Burrow rumours & looks like it leaves either Leon or Bosc for stand off now?? Whatever happens, i'll certainly get behind the lad next season now my season ticket is in the bag. Suppose a young hungry scrum half must be better than an ageing pampered prima donna surely??!!??
The T&A dismissed the rumours about Bosc, Burrow and Robinson as unfounded and I'm more inclined to believe stuff that appears in the paper than listen to message board 'experts'. Leon Pryce, however, seems to be a different matter.
[quote][p][bold]The J Man[/bold] wrote: Not a great shock this & really dont know which side of the fence to fall on yet?? I know a lot of the stories are complete bulls**t but after reading some of the names we've been linked with recently i feel this is a bit of a damp squib & i cant help feeling a little disappointed. On the one hand i keep thinking that Canberra have released him despite losing their top half for most of next season through injury so surely they'd have kept him if he was half decent?? However, i then look at the fact that the Storm were allegedly chasing him so he cant be that bad & i also think of Michael Dobson here given the Raiders binned him twice & he has turned in2 a great SL player. Suppose this puts to bed the Robinson & Burrow rumours & looks like it leaves either Leon or Bosc for stand off now?? Whatever happens, i'll certainly get behind the lad next season now my season ticket is in the bag. Suppose a young hungry scrum half must be better than an ageing pampered prima donna surely??!!??[/p][/quote]The T&A dismissed the rumours about Bosc, Burrow and Robinson as unfounded and I'm more inclined to believe stuff that appears in the paper than listen to message board 'experts'. Leon Pryce, however, seems to be a different matter. macmoody

9:30am Fri 29 Oct 10

Russell Crowe says...

The T&A have not dismissed Pryce.
Didnt they print something about him a month of 2 back though that was a positive about him coming back.
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On the England note i would have played Ellis in the centre and put Joel Tomkins in. I think the aussies will tear atkins and cudjoe to bits. Im glad he has picked Ben Harrison as he seems to be a workhorse. The bench does look like it will have some impact. Against New Zealand the bench offered nothing.
The T&A have not dismissed Pryce. Didnt they print something about him a month of 2 back though that was a positive about him coming back. . On the England note i would have played Ellis in the centre and put Joel Tomkins in. I think the aussies will tear atkins and cudjoe to bits. Im glad he has picked Ben Harrison as he seems to be a workhorse. The bench does look like it will have some impact. Against New Zealand the bench offered nothing. Russell Crowe

9:34am Fri 29 Oct 10

theviking52 says...

read article on fox sports, re herbert, and awful.
read article on fox sports, re herbert, and awful. theviking52

9:35am Fri 29 Oct 10

macmoody says...

Russell Crowe wrote:
The T&A have not dismissed Pryce. Didnt they print something about him a month of 2 back though that was a positive about him coming back. . On the England note i would have played Ellis in the centre and put Joel Tomkins in. I think the aussies will tear atkins and cudjoe to bits. Im glad he has picked Ben Harrison as he seems to be a workhorse. The bench does look like it will have some impact. Against New Zealand the bench offered nothing.
Hence why I said "Leon Pryce, however, seems to be a different matter" - in the sense that it is not the same as Bosc, Robinson or Burrow.
[quote][p][bold]Russell Crowe[/bold] wrote: The T&A have not dismissed Pryce. Didnt they print something about him a month of 2 back though that was a positive about him coming back. . On the England note i would have played Ellis in the centre and put Joel Tomkins in. I think the aussies will tear atkins and cudjoe to bits. Im glad he has picked Ben Harrison as he seems to be a workhorse. The bench does look like it will have some impact. Against New Zealand the bench offered nothing.[/p][/quote]Hence why I said "Leon Pryce, however, seems to be a different matter" - in the sense that it is not the same as Bosc, Robinson or Burrow. macmoody

9:38am Fri 29 Oct 10

Schoey says...

I am reckoning Leon is a certainty pending clearance on his neck/ back injury. This I think will be last signing to be announced. The homecoming signing & the biggest signing of all new recruits (though Disko's was impressive I must admit).
I am reckoning Leon is a certainty pending clearance on his neck/ back injury. This I think will be last signing to be announced. The homecoming signing & the biggest signing of all new recruits (though Disko's was impressive I must admit). Schoey

9:57am Fri 29 Oct 10

spanglishbull.uk says...

One signed,two to go,Leon is one,class centre the other,hopefully.Look
ing at the options for the squad that to me seems the glaring weakness.O.K. have not seen Herbert play but will be surprised if he does not come up to scratch.This lad has been signed by Potter,I donot think he would put his neck on the line with a big gamble,seems a shrewd character to me.
One signed,two to go,Leon is one,class centre the other,hopefully.Look ing at the options for the squad that to me seems the glaring weakness.O.K. have not seen Herbert play but will be surprised if he does not come up to scratch.This lad has been signed by Potter,I donot think he would put his neck on the line with a big gamble,seems a shrewd character to me. spanglishbull.uk

9:59am Fri 29 Oct 10

haitch says...

Went on to google. Plenty on there about Marc Herbert. www.thegreenhouseact
.com.au has a good forum with fans views on him.
For those who havent looked, just go to Google. Type in Marc Herbert Canberra and scroll down to the article with the footing www.thegreenhouseact
.com.au
Some very interesting comments for and against.
Went on to google. Plenty on there about Marc Herbert. www.thegreenhouseact .com.au has a good forum with fans views on him. For those who havent looked, just go to Google. Type in Marc Herbert Canberra and scroll down to the article with the footing www.thegreenhouseact .com.au Some very interesting comments for and against. haitch

10:11am Fri 29 Oct 10

Stuart says...

Cant understand Potter signing this guy Herbert if he was any good the Aussie teams would be falling over themselves to sign him with the current shortage of good half backs. NRL teams only release players who are not up to scratch or have got other problems.Canberra are not exactly flush with fit players at the moment, still if he didnt cost much, you have not much to loose and he may turn out alright. Cant be any worse than Orford was for you.
On the England front very disapointed they have dropped young Widdop, was looking forward to seeing him play in England colours. He was not the worst on the field against the Kiwis, apart from one slip up. Who are the two centres - no one here as ever heard of them. We are playing our third choice centres so your blokes should be able to handle them if they are any good. Are They ?? , can get brilliant odds on a Pommie win, might have a few dollors on for old times sake.Best bet this week end Smoking Joey to win the Victorian Derby in Melbourne on Saturday. Go the Poms
Cant understand Potter signing this guy Herbert if he was any good the Aussie teams would be falling over themselves to sign him with the current shortage of good half backs. NRL teams only release players who are not up to scratch or have got other problems.Canberra are not exactly flush with fit players at the moment, still if he didnt cost much, you have not much to loose and he may turn out alright. Cant be any worse than Orford was for you. On the England front very disapointed they have dropped young Widdop, was looking forward to seeing him play in England colours. He was not the worst on the field against the Kiwis, apart from one slip up. Who are the two centres - no one here as ever heard of them. We are playing our third choice centres so your blokes should be able to handle them if they are any good. Are They ?? , can get brilliant odds on a Pommie win, might have a few dollors on for old times sake.Best bet this week end Smoking Joey to win the Victorian Derby in Melbourne on Saturday. Go the Poms Stuart

10:19am Fri 29 Oct 10

easthambull says...

Looks like a good signing hope the ankle injury is fully fixed as the softer surfaces over here early doors may hinder him. I think Leon is not quite a done deal, not sure if it is medical or saints compo that is holding up his signing, but fully expect him to be announced before the deadline for £60 tickets .
Looks like a good signing hope the ankle injury is fully fixed as the softer surfaces over here early doors may hinder him. I think Leon is not quite a done deal, not sure if it is medical or saints compo that is holding up his signing, but fully expect him to be announced before the deadline for £60 tickets . easthambull

10:29am Fri 29 Oct 10

Sheffieldbull says...

haitch wrote:
Went on to google. Plenty on there about Marc Herbert. www.thegreenhouseact .com.au has a good forum with fans views on him. For those who havent looked, just go to Google. Type in Marc Herbert Canberra and scroll down to the article with the footing www.thegreenhouseact .com.au Some very interesting comments for and against.
Morning Haitch, now, where do i find this google button thing?
[quote][p][bold]haitch[/bold] wrote: Went on to google. Plenty on there about Marc Herbert. www.thegreenhouseact .com.au has a good forum with fans views on him. For those who havent looked, just go to Google. Type in Marc Herbert Canberra and scroll down to the article with the footing www.thegreenhouseact .com.au Some very interesting comments for and against.[/p][/quote]Morning Haitch, now, where do i find this google button thing? Sheffieldbull

10:45am Fri 29 Oct 10

Prycey says...

There are only 16 NRL teams which severely restrict a player’s chances if he isn’t rated as a top player. How many good players are there down under that can’t get the number 7 jersey because there is an established scrum half in front of them? Just because he isn’t their starter number 7 doesn’t mean he isn’t any good. There will be dozens of players sitting in their second teams that would be great up here. We are building a super league team here – not an NRL team which means we don’t need any Ausie test players. He has played 24 games for them in the best league in the world. They must think something about him. Southernwood can now be sent out on duel registration for a couple of years to mature and learn the game as he is a complete novice at the moment and he doesn’t impress me in the slightest at the moment. Wakey were rumoured to be after Herbert as they let their half go last year and also didn’t rate Southernwood. It could be another two or three years before Southernwood is ready – if he actually makes it! It would be nice to hear about a stand-off to complete the squad as we are now looking a very handy unit indeed both on and off the field. The board have taken on board the criticism and acted accordingly, a big well done to them is warranted. It is now up to the team to do their job.
There are only 16 NRL teams which severely restrict a player’s chances if he isn’t rated as a top player. How many good players are there down under that can’t get the number 7 jersey because there is an established scrum half in front of them? Just because he isn’t their starter number 7 doesn’t mean he isn’t any good. There will be dozens of players sitting in their second teams that would be great up here. We are building a super league team here – not an NRL team which means we don’t need any Ausie test players. He has played 24 games for them in the best league in the world. They must think something about him. Southernwood can now be sent out on duel registration for a couple of years to mature and learn the game as he is a complete novice at the moment and he doesn’t impress me in the slightest at the moment. Wakey were rumoured to be after Herbert as they let their half go last year and also didn’t rate Southernwood. It could be another two or three years before Southernwood is ready – if he actually makes it! It would be nice to hear about a stand-off to complete the squad as we are now looking a very handy unit indeed both on and off the field. The board have taken on board the criticism and acted accordingly, a big well done to them is warranted. It is now up to the team to do their job. Prycey

10:45am Fri 29 Oct 10

haitch says...

Morning Sheff. Just open up Google by typing in Google on your homepage. Then type on the Google page Marc Herbert Canberra and enter this. Then scroll down the stories till you come to Thegreenhouse.viewto
pic-Marc Herbert.

I think its the eleventh listing down the Google page.
Morning Sheff. Just open up Google by typing in Google on your homepage. Then type on the Google page Marc Herbert Canberra and enter this. Then scroll down the stories till you come to Thegreenhouse.viewto pic-Marc Herbert. I think its the eleventh listing down the Google page. haitch

11:09am Fri 29 Oct 10

haitch says...

Prycey wrote:
There are only 16 NRL teams which severely restrict a player’s chances if he isn’t rated as a top player. How many good players are there down under that can’t get the number 7 jersey because there is an established scrum half in front of them? Just because he isn’t their starter number 7 doesn’t mean he isn’t any good. There will be dozens of players sitting in their second teams that would be great up here. We are building a super league team here – not an NRL team which means we don’t need any Ausie test players. He has played 24 games for them in the best league in the world. They must think something about him. Southernwood can now be sent out on duel registration for a couple of years to mature and learn the game as he is a complete novice at the moment and he doesn’t impress me in the slightest at the moment. Wakey were rumoured to be after Herbert as they let their half go last year and also didn’t rate Southernwood. It could be another two or three years before Southernwood is ready – if he actually makes it! It would be nice to hear about a stand-off to complete the squad as we are now looking a very handy unit indeed both on and off the field. The board have taken on board the criticism and acted accordingly, a big well done to them is warranted. It is now up to the team to do their job.
Hi Prycey, I'm amazed at your constant rants on young Southernwood. He is but a kid and is very highly rated in Rugby League Circles. He is from a RL family, He was a member of Wakys GF winning Academy side. (Wakefield did indeed 'rate him') He is an England Academy player. The kid has bags of potential and it is too soon to start writing him off. He stated quite clearly he was unhappy at Wakefield and that was why he wanted away. Not the first to be unhappy working under Kear and his team I might add.
I'm just surprised you have taken such a dislike to the lad before he has had a chance to develop, especially in the light that many in S/L see him as a future star.
[quote][p][bold]Prycey[/bold] wrote: There are only 16 NRL teams which severely restrict a player’s chances if he isn’t rated as a top player. How many good players are there down under that can’t get the number 7 jersey because there is an established scrum half in front of them? Just because he isn’t their starter number 7 doesn’t mean he isn’t any good. There will be dozens of players sitting in their second teams that would be great up here. We are building a super league team here – not an NRL team which means we don’t need any Ausie test players. He has played 24 games for them in the best league in the world. They must think something about him. Southernwood can now be sent out on duel registration for a couple of years to mature and learn the game as he is a complete novice at the moment and he doesn’t impress me in the slightest at the moment. Wakey were rumoured to be after Herbert as they let their half go last year and also didn’t rate Southernwood. It could be another two or three years before Southernwood is ready – if he actually makes it! It would be nice to hear about a stand-off to complete the squad as we are now looking a very handy unit indeed both on and off the field. The board have taken on board the criticism and acted accordingly, a big well done to them is warranted. It is now up to the team to do their job.[/p][/quote]Hi Prycey, I'm amazed at your constant rants on young Southernwood. He is but a kid and is very highly rated in Rugby League Circles. He is from a RL family, He was a member of Wakys GF winning Academy side. (Wakefield did indeed 'rate him') He is an England Academy player. The kid has bags of potential and it is too soon to start writing him off. He stated quite clearly he was unhappy at Wakefield and that was why he wanted away. Not the first to be unhappy working under Kear and his team I might add. I'm just surprised you have taken such a dislike to the lad before he has had a chance to develop, especially in the light that many in S/L see him as a future star. haitch

11:19am Fri 29 Oct 10

Duckett says...

Picking up on Stuart's point I understand from my pal in Oz that the young man is 'average' but that he may 'be OK in SUper League'. Whilst it may seem a bit of a put down what he means is that Herbert is simply not good enough for the NRL. Maybe that's what Potter is getting at when he says the lad will 'make a very good Super League player' meaning he couldn't hack it over there but he may go OK over here. That doesn't mean he won't be OK over here but I don't think we should expect anything special from him. 23 matches for the Raiders first team in 4 seasons is not encouraging and given that clubs over there are really struggling as badly as we are for half backs (Orford's return to the NRL being proof of that) one would have thought that if he was top drawer or anywhere near top drawer the Raiders would have been keen for him to stay. I guess that at 24 he will be enthusiastic to prove himself, the question is whether he has the ability to succeed. IMO we now really do need an experienced 6 to play alongside him. On the whole, not terribly exciting but the jury's out 'til we see him play in Super League. Anyone know how season tickets are going? Hopefully we will be near 10k by now.
Picking up on Stuart's point I understand from my pal in Oz that the young man is 'average' but that he may 'be OK in SUper League'. Whilst it may seem a bit of a put down what he means is that Herbert is simply not good enough for the NRL. Maybe that's what Potter is getting at when he says the lad will 'make a very good Super League player' meaning he couldn't hack it over there but he may go OK over here. That doesn't mean he won't be OK over here but I don't think we should expect anything special from him. 23 matches for the Raiders first team in 4 seasons is not encouraging and given that clubs over there are really struggling as badly as we are for half backs (Orford's return to the NRL being proof of that) one would have thought that if he was top drawer or anywhere near top drawer the Raiders would have been keen for him to stay. I guess that at 24 he will be enthusiastic to prove himself, the question is whether he has the ability to succeed. IMO we now really do need an experienced 6 to play alongside him. On the whole, not terribly exciting but the jury's out 'til we see him play in Super League. Anyone know how season tickets are going? Hopefully we will be near 10k by now. Duckett

11:29am Fri 29 Oct 10

sid the sexist says...

I say give the lad a chance, so called bigger names have come over here and failed.....sound familiar!!! We seem to have a habbit of singing players coming back from injury just hope his ankle is not a weak spot. Does anyone have an idea whether he can kick goals? I heard Ah Van can kick dont know if its true though. Hopefully Herbert can come accross in time for when the squad as a whole begin training, so we have time to gel. It has been a big overhaul but i think it will bear fruit, fingers crossed eh!! COYB!! hehehe just seen the password it must refer to Raynor (cell-away)
I say give the lad a chance, so called bigger names have come over here and failed.....sound familiar!!! We seem to have a habbit of singing players coming back from injury just hope his ankle is not a weak spot. Does anyone have an idea whether he can kick goals? I heard Ah Van can kick dont know if its true though. Hopefully Herbert can come accross in time for when the squad as a whole begin training, so we have time to gel. It has been a big overhaul but i think it will bear fruit, fingers crossed eh!! COYB!! hehehe just seen the password it must refer to Raynor (cell-away) sid the sexist

11:39am Fri 29 Oct 10

rockman! says...

Good signing, at least we know who the no7 is now, hopefully Pryce or Bosc for no6. Herbert seems like he's got a very mature head on him for a young lad! He could be a suprise in the same way L'Estrange was. At least the compo we get from the Orford deal can go into making Pryce or Bosc really happen! As long as they gel quickly should be a decent year for us. I would love a trip to wembley this year!

COYB!!!
Good signing, at least we know who the no7 is now, hopefully Pryce or Bosc for no6. Herbert seems like he's got a very mature head on him for a young lad! He could be a suprise in the same way L'Estrange was. At least the compo we get from the Orford deal can go into making Pryce or Bosc really happen! As long as they gel quickly should be a decent year for us. I would love a trip to wembley this year! COYB!!! rockman!

11:43am Fri 29 Oct 10

Eddiethepom says...

Michael Dobson was not rated in the NRL. Canberra let him go twice. Would you not happilt see him at the Bulls?

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Lets give Marc a chance. From what I have seen I think he will do the business.
Michael Dobson was not rated in the NRL. Canberra let him go twice. Would you not happilt see him at the Bulls? . Lets give Marc a chance. From what I have seen I think he will do the business. Eddiethepom

12:15pm Fri 29 Oct 10

BarneyA says...

For those bemoaning the fact that the lad can;t be any good if an NRL side have released him, perhaps his release was part of the condition of Orford's transfer to the Raiders? We know Canberra were interested in him and it would make sense for them to look to offer Herbert plus cash in exchange for Orford's registration.

Just me putting 2 and 2 together.
For those bemoaning the fact that the lad can;t be any good if an NRL side have released him, perhaps his release was part of the condition of Orford's transfer to the Raiders? We know Canberra were interested in him and it would make sense for them to look to offer Herbert plus cash in exchange for Orford's registration. Just me putting 2 and 2 together. BarneyA

12:17pm Fri 29 Oct 10

Ruraljuror says...

Prycey wrote:
There are only 16 NRL teams which severely restrict a player’s chances if he isn’t rated as a top player. How many good players are there down under that can’t get the number 7 jersey because there is an established scrum half in front of them? Just because he isn’t their starter number 7 doesn’t mean he isn’t any good. There will be dozens of players sitting in their second teams that would be great up here. We are building a super league team here – not an NRL team which means we don’t need any Ausie test players. He has played 24 games for them in the best league in the world. They must think something about him. Southernwood can now be sent out on duel registration for a couple of years to mature and learn the game as he is a complete novice at the moment and he doesn’t impress me in the slightest at the moment. Wakey were rumoured to be after Herbert as they let their half go last year and also didn’t rate Southernwood. It could be another two or three years before Southernwood is ready – if he actually makes it! It would be nice to hear about a stand-off to complete the squad as we are now looking a very handy unit indeed both on and off the field. The board have taken on board the criticism and acted accordingly, a big well done to them is warranted. It is now up to the team to do their job.
I agree - we shouldn't read too much into the number of appearances. Few teams play with a halfback on the bench so this can skew the stats. If Herbert was a 2nd Rower or Utility Back then he'd have clocked up far more appearances off the bench.

He's made it into an NRL First Grade squad, and has also been considered by Melbourne (albeit as a cheaper alternative to Finch) - they don't just pick anybody down there, so the kid must have something about him. In fact there are dozens of players in reserve grade who wouldn't look out of place in Super League.

MP is clearly building a squad rather than concerning himself too much with "star" individuals. What did Wigan win with Barrett? Warrington with Johns? Bradford with Orford?

As for England. Another early morning, and sadly looking like another heavy defeat. Hope I'm wrong.
[quote][p][bold]Prycey[/bold] wrote: There are only 16 NRL teams which severely restrict a player’s chances if he isn’t rated as a top player. How many good players are there down under that can’t get the number 7 jersey because there is an established scrum half in front of them? Just because he isn’t their starter number 7 doesn’t mean he isn’t any good. There will be dozens of players sitting in their second teams that would be great up here. We are building a super league team here – not an NRL team which means we don’t need any Ausie test players. He has played 24 games for them in the best league in the world. They must think something about him. Southernwood can now be sent out on duel registration for a couple of years to mature and learn the game as he is a complete novice at the moment and he doesn’t impress me in the slightest at the moment. Wakey were rumoured to be after Herbert as they let their half go last year and also didn’t rate Southernwood. It could be another two or three years before Southernwood is ready – if he actually makes it! It would be nice to hear about a stand-off to complete the squad as we are now looking a very handy unit indeed both on and off the field. The board have taken on board the criticism and acted accordingly, a big well done to them is warranted. It is now up to the team to do their job.[/p][/quote]I agree - we shouldn't read too much into the number of appearances. Few teams play with a halfback on the bench so this can skew the stats. If Herbert was a 2nd Rower or Utility Back then he'd have clocked up far more appearances off the bench. He's made it into an NRL First Grade squad, and has also been considered by Melbourne (albeit as a cheaper alternative to Finch) - they don't just pick anybody down there, so the kid must have something about him. In fact there are dozens of players in reserve grade who wouldn't look out of place in Super League. MP is clearly building a squad rather than concerning himself too much with "star" individuals. What did Wigan win with Barrett? Warrington with Johns? Bradford with Orford? As for England. Another early morning, and sadly looking like another heavy defeat. Hope I'm wrong. Ruraljuror

12:33pm Fri 29 Oct 10

haitch says...

I'm not sure about the idea that if a kid isn't up to NRL standards he might make in the S/L.
Whilst we all accept the Aussies are light years ahead we have seen that our top S/L sides can at least come close to the NRL sides. This is obviously because of 'foreign' players who make up our teams. Add to this the climate and then further add the huge fixture list and playing in S/L is not the cake walk some would have us believe. Just a thought!.
I'm not sure about the idea that if a kid isn't up to NRL standards he might make in the S/L. Whilst we all accept the Aussies are light years ahead we have seen that our top S/L sides can at least come close to the NRL sides. This is obviously because of 'foreign' players who make up our teams. Add to this the climate and then further add the huge fixture list and playing in S/L is not the cake walk some would have us believe. Just a thought!. haitch

12:59pm Fri 29 Oct 10

theviking52 says...

herbert, took it on himself to leave canberra to further his career. they did not release him. he'd left prior to them chasing orford. check it out on internet.
herbert, took it on himself to leave canberra to further his career. they did not release him. he'd left prior to them chasing orford. check it out on internet. theviking52

1:00pm Fri 29 Oct 10

Duckett says...

Haitch, fully understand the point. In truth, not many top class halves have succeeded over here because there is a shortage with the result that not many top Aussie halves have come over since the start of S/L. RuralJuror a bit harsh on both Barrett and Johns as both were stand out players during their stints with Wigan and Warrington.
Haitch, fully understand the point. In truth, not many top class halves have succeeded over here because there is a shortage with the result that not many top Aussie halves have come over since the start of S/L. RuralJuror a bit harsh on both Barrett and Johns as both were stand out players during their stints with Wigan and Warrington. Duckett

1:01pm Fri 29 Oct 10

flashdonut says...

Hape was coming from an injury. So was Withers. So was Kearney.

Anybody think they were a let down? Nope. Give the lad a chance -
Canberra released Dobson, so I am taking the fact Herbert was not signed on a long contract by them as a good sign.
Hape was coming from an injury. So was Withers. So was Kearney. Anybody think they were a let down? Nope. Give the lad a chance - Canberra released Dobson, so I am taking the fact Herbert was not signed on a long contract by them as a good sign. flashdonut

1:12pm Fri 29 Oct 10

Tricky Dicky says...

The Bulls have had their fingers burnt giving long contracts to an Antipodean so a one year deal seems mutually acceptable. It will give the lad a year as a starting half and a chance for him to impress both here and down-under. A shrewd signing by Mr Potter.
It's hard to express my feelings on what is going on with that other side currently down-under. Eleven, yes eleven, changes!! But, as ever, Mr "Positive" has an answer for every question thrown at him. He turned the Bulls into a laughing stock and is now doing the same to the national squad. Pray for rain, Kangeroo complacency, a biased referee and a stunning English performance - and we might get close!
The Bulls have had their fingers burnt giving long contracts to an Antipodean so a one year deal seems mutually acceptable. It will give the lad a year as a starting half and a chance for him to impress both here and down-under. A shrewd signing by Mr Potter. It's hard to express my feelings on what is going on with that other side currently down-under. Eleven, yes eleven, changes!! But, as ever, Mr "Positive" has an answer for every question thrown at him. He turned the Bulls into a laughing stock and is now doing the same to the national squad. Pray for rain, Kangeroo complacency, a biased referee and a stunning English performance - and we might get close! Tricky Dicky

1:25pm Fri 29 Oct 10

Ruraljuror says...

Duckett wrote:
Haitch, fully understand the point. In truth, not many top class halves have succeeded over here because there is a shortage with the result that not many top Aussie halves have come over since the start of S/L. RuralJuror a bit harsh on both Barrett and Johns as both were stand out players during their stints with Wigan and Warrington.
Fair point.

But I was trying to suggest that the kid could do a very good job despite not being a "big name" - yes, Johns & Barrett were stand out performers, but it shows that simply signing a big name doesn't necessarily = trophies.
[quote][p][bold]Duckett[/bold] wrote: Haitch, fully understand the point. In truth, not many top class halves have succeeded over here because there is a shortage with the result that not many top Aussie halves have come over since the start of S/L. RuralJuror a bit harsh on both Barrett and Johns as both were stand out players during their stints with Wigan and Warrington.[/p][/quote]Fair point. But I was trying to suggest that the kid could do a very good job despite not being a "big name" - yes, Johns & Barrett were stand out performers, but it shows that simply signing a big name doesn't necessarily = trophies. Ruraljuror

1:26pm Fri 29 Oct 10

haitch says...

Eleven changes. If this guy splashed gravy on his tie he would have to change is underpants, shirt, trousers shoes and socks. He did just the same at Bulls last year. The players didn't know whether they were coming or going and any balance was soon lost.
As for Potter giving one year deals. It has to be the best way to give club and players every chance. Even 'Awful O...d' may have felt under less pressure once homesickness kicked in, had he not been looking at a three year stretch. It makes sense, longer contracts can be signed once everyone is happy.
Eleven changes. If this guy splashed gravy on his tie he would have to change is underpants, shirt, trousers shoes and socks. He did just the same at Bulls last year. The players didn't know whether they were coming or going and any balance was soon lost. As for Potter giving one year deals. It has to be the best way to give club and players every chance. Even 'Awful O...d' may have felt under less pressure once homesickness kicked in, had he not been looking at a three year stretch. It makes sense, longer contracts can be signed once everyone is happy. haitch

2:02pm Fri 29 Oct 10

Steampig says...

haitch wrote:
Eleven changes. If this guy splashed gravy on his tie he would have to change is underpants, shirt, trousers shoes and socks. He did just the same at Bulls last year. The players didn't know whether they were coming or going and any balance was soon lost. As for Potter giving one year deals. It has to be the best way to give club and players every chance. Even 'Awful O...d' may have felt under less pressure once homesickness kicked in, had he not been looking at a three year stretch. It makes sense, longer contracts can be signed once everyone is happy.
well said Haitch,i like the analogy !! but i reckon half the squad will be changing underpants once once those big aussie 3/4's start tearing them apart. i reckon Peter Lewis and his RFL sidekicks will be pondering where they went wrong this time tomorrow, all they had to do was watch a Bfd game over the last few years to know it was a disaster in the making !! at least he is not our problem anymore and none of our players are going to be affected by his lack of coaching ability whilst on international duty !
[quote][p][bold]haitch[/bold] wrote: Eleven changes. If this guy splashed gravy on his tie he would have to change is underpants, shirt, trousers shoes and socks. He did just the same at Bulls last year. The players didn't know whether they were coming or going and any balance was soon lost. As for Potter giving one year deals. It has to be the best way to give club and players every chance. Even 'Awful O...d' may have felt under less pressure once homesickness kicked in, had he not been looking at a three year stretch. It makes sense, longer contracts can be signed once everyone is happy.[/p][/quote]well said Haitch,i like the analogy !! but i reckon half the squad will be changing underpants once once those big aussie 3/4's start tearing them apart. i reckon Peter Lewis and his RFL sidekicks will be pondering where they went wrong this time tomorrow, all they had to do was watch a Bfd game over the last few years to know it was a disaster in the making !! at least he is not our problem anymore and none of our players are going to be affected by his lack of coaching ability whilst on international duty ! Steampig

2:22pm Fri 29 Oct 10

Steampig says...

oops meant Richard Lewis Obviously !!
oops meant Richard Lewis Obviously !! Steampig

2:27pm Fri 29 Oct 10

Prycey says...

Hello Haitch. I am not against Southernwood as he is younger than some lads I know who are still at my local school – and smaller - and it definitely wasn’t a rant. I think that letting the kid go out to a good club and learn his trade in a lower league, come back stronger and wiser is a fair comment. He would still only be 20 even then. You learn by doing not by watching. I was only making the point that he won’t be ready for at least two to three years to show that this signing today is actually a good decision and needed. Some people seem to think Southernwood will be ready next year all because of a few minutes play when the opposition didn’t know him. I don’t believe he will be ready next year and if Herbert is OK we could extend his contract. If not, we may need to find another till and if Southernwood is ready. At 23 this signing isn’t a kid as he is 4 years older than Deacon when we got him. He has probably played 5 years at a good standard (even second team) and will be experienced and hardened. I would be very surprised if Matty Elliott wasn’t consulted on this signing as he was his coach at Canberra. If he was asked he must have given a good reference. Overall, I am pleased with this signing and should now allow our younger halves time to develop without pressure being heaped on them due to desperation which was happening at the end of this season. Fingers crossed that Herbert turns out to be a crowd favourite.
Hello Haitch. I am not against Southernwood as he is younger than some lads I know who are still at my local school – and smaller - and it definitely wasn’t a rant. I think that letting the kid go out to a good club and learn his trade in a lower league, come back stronger and wiser is a fair comment. He would still only be 20 even then. You learn by doing not by watching. I was only making the point that he won’t be ready for at least two to three years to show that this signing today is actually a good decision and needed. Some people seem to think Southernwood will be ready next year all because of a few minutes play when the opposition didn’t know him. I don’t believe he will be ready next year and if Herbert is OK we could extend his contract. If not, we may need to find another till and if Southernwood is ready. At 23 this signing isn’t a kid as he is 4 years older than Deacon when we got him. He has probably played 5 years at a good standard (even second team) and will be experienced and hardened. I would be very surprised if Matty Elliott wasn’t consulted on this signing as he was his coach at Canberra. If he was asked he must have given a good reference. Overall, I am pleased with this signing and should now allow our younger halves time to develop without pressure being heaped on them due to desperation which was happening at the end of this season. Fingers crossed that Herbert turns out to be a crowd favourite. Prycey

2:45pm Fri 29 Oct 10

haitch says...

Sorry Prycey, slightly misread your post mate. Still, I don't know where you get the "Wakefield didn't rate Southernwood" from as it was Southernwood who requested the move after having played a huge part in their academy GF winning side.
I agree he looked way too lightweight and not ready but I don't think he's that far away and next year may well see him taking some part if Herbert is out. We'll see. These kids do grow quickly. especially with today's training.
I too think Herbert may turn out to be a good signing, Potter seems to think so but it's fair to point out not all in the NRL would agree. Again he's young but has had a fair apprenticeship so could be the ready made player we need. I think we definitely need a good mature partner for him to play off and that could be what makes Herbert the goods. Lets just hope "Herbert" doesn't live up to his name eh!!
Sorry Prycey, slightly misread your post mate. Still, I don't know where you get the "Wakefield didn't rate Southernwood" from as it was Southernwood who requested the move after having played a huge part in their academy GF winning side. I agree he looked way too lightweight and not ready but I don't think he's that far away and next year may well see him taking some part if Herbert is out. We'll see. These kids do grow quickly. especially with today's training. I too think Herbert may turn out to be a good signing, Potter seems to think so but it's fair to point out not all in the NRL would agree. Again he's young but has had a fair apprenticeship so could be the ready made player we need. I think we definitely need a good mature partner for him to play off and that could be what makes Herbert the goods. Lets just hope "Herbert" doesn't live up to his name eh!! haitch

2:47pm Fri 29 Oct 10

RA&B says...

We all seem to be assuming that Herbert will play scrum half but Potter said that he sees him being a big success 'in the role i see for him'. That role could be as a stand off. From what i have seen of him, and what my mate in who lives in Canberra tells me he is more of a 6 than a 7. He says he is a better runner in open space and has been playing 7 even though he is more of a natural 6. It may well be that we sign a scrum half to lead us round the park rather than what could possibly be someone playing out of their natural position. Only time will tell!
We all seem to be assuming that Herbert will play scrum half but Potter said that he sees him being a big success 'in the role i see for him'. That role could be as a stand off. From what i have seen of him, and what my mate in who lives in Canberra tells me he is more of a 6 than a 7. He says he is a better runner in open space and has been playing 7 even though he is more of a natural 6. It may well be that we sign a scrum half to lead us round the park rather than what could possibly be someone playing out of their natural position. Only time will tell! RA&B

2:49pm Fri 29 Oct 10

Sheffieldbull says...

Prycey wrote:
Hello Haitch. I am not against Southernwood as he is younger than some lads I know who are still at my local school – and smaller - and it definitely wasn’t a rant. I think that letting the kid go out to a good club and learn his trade in a lower league, come back stronger and wiser is a fair comment. He would still only be 20 even then. You learn by doing not by watching. I was only making the point that he won’t be ready for at least two to three years to show that this signing today is actually a good decision and needed. Some people seem to think Southernwood will be ready next year all because of a few minutes play when the opposition didn’t know him. I don’t believe he will be ready next year and if Herbert is OK we could extend his contract. If not, we may need to find another till and if Southernwood is ready. At 23 this signing isn’t a kid as he is 4 years older than Deacon when we got him. He has probably played 5 years at a good standard (even second team) and will be experienced and hardened. I would be very surprised if Matty Elliott wasn’t consulted on this signing as he was his coach at Canberra. If he was asked he must have given a good reference. Overall, I am pleased with this signing and should now allow our younger halves time to develop without pressure being heaped on them due to desperation which was happening at the end of this season. Fingers crossed that Herbert turns out to be a crowd favourite.
Agree Prycey, young Southernwood is well short of the mark even though i still believe he could have been 'bloodied' a little more last season - if only to keep other players in their more natural positions.
Still hoping the next signing will be a class proven 5/8th, or even better two! The Bulls fans are in a signing frenzy lol!
[quote][p][bold]Prycey[/bold] wrote: Hello Haitch. I am not against Southernwood as he is younger than some lads I know who are still at my local school – and smaller - and it definitely wasn’t a rant. I think that letting the kid go out to a good club and learn his trade in a lower league, come back stronger and wiser is a fair comment. He would still only be 20 even then. You learn by doing not by watching. I was only making the point that he won’t be ready for at least two to three years to show that this signing today is actually a good decision and needed. Some people seem to think Southernwood will be ready next year all because of a few minutes play when the opposition didn’t know him. I don’t believe he will be ready next year and if Herbert is OK we could extend his contract. If not, we may need to find another till and if Southernwood is ready. At 23 this signing isn’t a kid as he is 4 years older than Deacon when we got him. He has probably played 5 years at a good standard (even second team) and will be experienced and hardened. I would be very surprised if Matty Elliott wasn’t consulted on this signing as he was his coach at Canberra. If he was asked he must have given a good reference. Overall, I am pleased with this signing and should now allow our younger halves time to develop without pressure being heaped on them due to desperation which was happening at the end of this season. Fingers crossed that Herbert turns out to be a crowd favourite.[/p][/quote]Agree Prycey, young Southernwood is well short of the mark even though i still believe he could have been 'bloodied' a little more last season - if only to keep other players in their more natural positions. Still hoping the next signing will be a class proven 5/8th, or even better two! The Bulls fans are in a signing frenzy lol! Sheffieldbull

3:05pm Fri 29 Oct 10

haitch says...

RA&B wrote:
We all seem to be assuming that Herbert will play scrum half but Potter said that he sees him being a big success 'in the role i see for him'. That role could be as a stand off. From what i have seen of him, and what my mate in who lives in Canberra tells me he is more of a 6 than a 7. He says he is a better runner in open space and has been playing 7 even though he is more of a natural 6. It may well be that we sign a scrum half to lead us round the park rather than what could possibly be someone playing out of their natural position. Only time will tell!
Excellent point. It is well documented on the NRL forums that Herbert is a 6 and Potter did indeed say 'In the role I see for him'.
[quote][p][bold]RA&B[/bold] wrote: We all seem to be assuming that Herbert will play scrum half but Potter said that he sees him being a big success 'in the role i see for him'. That role could be as a stand off. From what i have seen of him, and what my mate in who lives in Canberra tells me he is more of a 6 than a 7. He says he is a better runner in open space and has been playing 7 even though he is more of a natural 6. It may well be that we sign a scrum half to lead us round the park rather than what could possibly be someone playing out of their natural position. Only time will tell![/p][/quote]Excellent point. It is well documented on the NRL forums that Herbert is a 6 and Potter did indeed say 'In the role I see for him'. haitch

3:48pm Fri 29 Oct 10

Far Away says...

This is more like it! Summat to talk about. I have no idea what role Mr P has in mind but I don't think it is scrum half. Nothing is written into stone till the fat lady sings and I can't hear her yet.
On the other themes about NRL and SL at club level don't forget the NRL champions came to Huddersfield 3 times only for the Bulls to wipe the floor with them. I did say at club level and I know we had NRL etc players and they had some injuries but at club level we were more than a match for their best. So don't think Herbert will neccessarily make a great SL player just because he comes from the NRL. There has to be something more to him than that and I guess Mr P has spotted that. I think perhaps the SL style of play may suit him better and allow him to expand his play. We have the guys to support this type of player so things look good. COYB!!
This is more like it! Summat to talk about. I have no idea what role Mr P has in mind but I don't think it is scrum half. Nothing is written into stone till the fat lady sings and I can't hear her yet. On the other themes about NRL and SL at club level don't forget the NRL champions came to Huddersfield 3 times only for the Bulls to wipe the floor with them. I did say at club level and I know we had NRL etc players and they had some injuries but at club level we were more than a match for their best. So don't think Herbert will neccessarily make a great SL player just because he comes from the NRL. There has to be something more to him than that and I guess Mr P has spotted that. I think perhaps the SL style of play may suit him better and allow him to expand his play. We have the guys to support this type of player so things look good. COYB!! Far Away

4:46pm Fri 29 Oct 10

Gumshoe says...

Lets just give the lad a chance. I am sure if MP has been watching him for some time he is not going to be rubbish and any consistent improvment in that area is welcomed by us all.

Who his HB partner will be is intriguing, Bosc or Pryce or A N Other maybe???

Is the England getting hammered game on BBC again???
Lets just give the lad a chance. I am sure if MP has been watching him for some time he is not going to be rubbish and any consistent improvment in that area is welcomed by us all. Who his HB partner will be is intriguing, Bosc or Pryce or A N Other maybe??? Is the England getting hammered game on BBC again??? Gumshoe

4:52pm Fri 29 Oct 10

Far Away says...

Don't know about that but I do know it is on Sky 'cos me son is tuned in to watch the likely humiliation. I guess the Aussies will take the foot off the gas after half time and put some training moves together to see what works and what doesn't!!!
Don't know about that but I do know it is on Sky 'cos me son is tuned in to watch the likely humiliation. I guess the Aussies will take the foot off the gas after half time and put some training moves together to see what works and what doesn't!!! Far Away

4:58pm Fri 29 Oct 10

haitch says...

Gumshoe wrote:
Lets just give the lad a chance. I am sure if MP has been watching him for some time he is not going to be rubbish and any consistent improvment in that area is welcomed by us all. Who his HB partner will be is intriguing, Bosc or Pryce or A N Other maybe??? Is the England getting hammered game on BBC again???
Hi Gumshoe. Trust in MP indeed. It's so nice to have a Coach who knows his stuff.
Don't think the BBC have this game mate Its on Sky sports 1
[quote][p][bold]Gumshoe[/bold] wrote: Lets just give the lad a chance. I am sure if MP has been watching him for some time he is not going to be rubbish and any consistent improvment in that area is welcomed by us all. Who his HB partner will be is intriguing, Bosc or Pryce or A N Other maybe??? Is the England getting hammered game on BBC again???[/p][/quote]Hi Gumshoe. Trust in MP indeed. It's so nice to have a Coach who knows his stuff. Don't think the BBC have this game mate Its on Sky sports 1 haitch

5:21pm Fri 29 Oct 10

Far Away says...

I couldn't agree more, and that goes for all the other signings. Individuals they may be now but I trust Mr P's thinking that here he has the makings of a team and not just a bunch of individuals and all specialists at their positions. Makes a change, eh?
I couldn't agree more, and that goes for all the other signings. Individuals they may be now but I trust Mr P's thinking that here he has the makings of a team and not just a bunch of individuals and all specialists at their positions. Makes a change, eh? Far Away

5:39pm Fri 29 Oct 10

Bulls Boy 2011 says...

Far Away wrote:
This is more like it! Summat to talk about. I have no idea what role Mr P has in mind but I don't think it is scrum half. Nothing is written into stone till the fat lady sings and I can't hear her yet. On the other themes about NRL and SL at club level don't forget the NRL champions came to Huddersfield 3 times only for the Bulls to wipe the floor with them. I did say at club level and I know we had NRL etc players and they had some injuries but at club level we were more than a match for their best. So don't think Herbert will neccessarily make a great SL player just because he comes from the NRL. There has to be something more to him than that and I guess Mr P has spotted that. I think perhaps the SL style of play may suit him better and allow him to expand his play. We have the guys to support this type of player so things look good. COYB!!
Yes 3 times. And they had big name players.

2002 - Newcastle Knights: Tahu, M.Gidley, A.McDougall, Johns, Perry, Buderus.

2004 - Penrith Panthers: Lewis, Whatuira, Campbell, Gower, Clinton, Puletua, Swain.

2006 - Wests Tigers: B.Hodgson, Whatuira, Lolesi, Prince, O'Hara, Farah, Heighington, Galea, Fulton.

Anyway sorry for bragging ;) But onto Herbert. He could be a good player depends where MP wants him. We'll finish Top 4 and Rhinos will finish 5-8.
[quote][p][bold]Far Away[/bold] wrote: This is more like it! Summat to talk about. I have no idea what role Mr P has in mind but I don't think it is scrum half. Nothing is written into stone till the fat lady sings and I can't hear her yet. On the other themes about NRL and SL at club level don't forget the NRL champions came to Huddersfield 3 times only for the Bulls to wipe the floor with them. I did say at club level and I know we had NRL etc players and they had some injuries but at club level we were more than a match for their best. So don't think Herbert will neccessarily make a great SL player just because he comes from the NRL. There has to be something more to him than that and I guess Mr P has spotted that. I think perhaps the SL style of play may suit him better and allow him to expand his play. We have the guys to support this type of player so things look good. COYB!![/p][/quote]Yes 3 times. And they had big name players. 2002 - Newcastle Knights: Tahu, M.Gidley, A.McDougall, Johns, Perry, Buderus. 2004 - Penrith Panthers: Lewis, Whatuira, Campbell, Gower, Clinton, Puletua, Swain. 2006 - Wests Tigers: B.Hodgson, Whatuira, Lolesi, Prince, O'Hara, Farah, Heighington, Galea, Fulton. Anyway sorry for bragging ;) But onto Herbert. He could be a good player depends where MP wants him. We'll finish Top 4 and Rhinos will finish 5-8. Bulls Boy 2011

5:44pm Fri 29 Oct 10

Prycey says...

It is fair to say that we haven't signed many "big" signings although Ellima, Hargreaves and Diskin aren't exactly novices. It will all come down to how they all perform together. Anyone who watches sport knows that a team of so called average players can turn out to be champions with the right ingredients between the ears. Players who seem ordinary for one team can turn out to be stars for other teams. I have just read the Canberra forum and he is indeed described as a stand-off who has played at scrum half to fill in. Intriguing now to see who the other half will be. I still fancy Bosc (in a rugby sense) but feel that the longer we wait it is probably because of a medical examination result pending allowing the deal to proceed after using the compensation from Orford to possibly buy out a contract- whoever that may be? If it was Bosc – what is stopping the announcement now the Orford deal looks to be settled? This is turning out to be one of the most interesting off seasons I can remember and it isn't over yet!
It is fair to say that we haven't signed many "big" signings although Ellima, Hargreaves and Diskin aren't exactly novices. It will all come down to how they all perform together. Anyone who watches sport knows that a team of so called average players can turn out to be champions with the right ingredients between the ears. Players who seem ordinary for one team can turn out to be stars for other teams. I have just read the Canberra forum and he is indeed described as a stand-off who has played at scrum half to fill in. Intriguing now to see who the other half will be. I still fancy Bosc (in a rugby sense) but feel that the longer we wait it is probably because of a medical examination result pending allowing the deal to proceed after using the compensation from Orford to possibly buy out a contract- whoever that may be? If it was Bosc – what is stopping the announcement now the Orford deal looks to be settled? This is turning out to be one of the most interesting off seasons I can remember and it isn't over yet! Prycey

6:06pm Fri 29 Oct 10

haitch says...

Prycey wrote:
It is fair to say that we haven't signed many "big" signings although Ellima, Hargreaves and Diskin aren't exactly novices. It will all come down to how they all perform together. Anyone who watches sport knows that a team of so called average players can turn out to be champions with the right ingredients between the ears. Players who seem ordinary for one team can turn out to be stars for other teams. I have just read the Canberra forum and he is indeed described as a stand-off who has played at scrum half to fill in. Intriguing now to see who the other half will be. I still fancy Bosc (in a rugby sense) but feel that the longer we wait it is probably because of a medical examination result pending allowing the deal to proceed after using the compensation from Orford to possibly buy out a contract- whoever that may be? If it was Bosc – what is stopping the announcement now the Orford deal looks to be settled? This is turning out to be one of the most interesting off seasons I can remember and it isn't over yet!
Spot on Prycey. It's a good way to go. Potter signs players that he likes rather than 'reputations'. That way he can mould them into his own team.
It's going to be a great off-season indeed as after all the signings have been made there'll be lots to discuss.
[quote][p][bold]Prycey[/bold] wrote: It is fair to say that we haven't signed many "big" signings although Ellima, Hargreaves and Diskin aren't exactly novices. It will all come down to how they all perform together. Anyone who watches sport knows that a team of so called average players can turn out to be champions with the right ingredients between the ears. Players who seem ordinary for one team can turn out to be stars for other teams. I have just read the Canberra forum and he is indeed described as a stand-off who has played at scrum half to fill in. Intriguing now to see who the other half will be. I still fancy Bosc (in a rugby sense) but feel that the longer we wait it is probably because of a medical examination result pending allowing the deal to proceed after using the compensation from Orford to possibly buy out a contract- whoever that may be? If it was Bosc – what is stopping the announcement now the Orford deal looks to be settled? This is turning out to be one of the most interesting off seasons I can remember and it isn't over yet![/p][/quote]Spot on Prycey. It's a good way to go. Potter signs players that he likes rather than 'reputations'. That way he can mould them into his own team. It's going to be a great off-season indeed as after all the signings have been made there'll be lots to discuss. haitch

6:40pm Fri 29 Oct 10

Far Away says...

Prycey wrote:
It is fair to say that we haven't signed many "big" signings although Ellima, Hargreaves and Diskin aren't exactly novices. It will all come down to how they all perform together. Anyone who watches sport knows that a team of so called average players can turn out to be champions with the right ingredients between the ears. Players who seem ordinary for one team can turn out to be stars for other teams. I have just read the Canberra forum and he is indeed described as a stand-off who has played at scrum half to fill in. Intriguing now to see who the other half will be. I still fancy Bosc (in a rugby sense) but feel that the longer we wait it is probably because of a medical examination result pending allowing the deal to proceed after using the compensation from Orford to possibly buy out a contract- whoever that may be? If it was Bosc – what is stopping the announcement now the Orford deal looks to be settled? This is turning out to be one of the most interesting off seasons I can remember and it isn't over yet!
Again, couldn't agree more. It looks like we are getting a TEAM together and not just some big name players who the rest of the guys have to accommodate because of reputation. I can see quite a few 'reputations' being made in the coming seasons including Elima and Diskin.
These one year contracts don't worry me because if the player wants to progress and carve out a starting slot he has a season to do so. Contracts can be extended easily enough where it is warranted. It is difficult to cancel a long contract if the player doesn't perform. Yeh, this is it, roll on 2011. COYB
[quote][p][bold]Prycey[/bold] wrote: It is fair to say that we haven't signed many "big" signings although Ellima, Hargreaves and Diskin aren't exactly novices. It will all come down to how they all perform together. Anyone who watches sport knows that a team of so called average players can turn out to be champions with the right ingredients between the ears. Players who seem ordinary for one team can turn out to be stars for other teams. I have just read the Canberra forum and he is indeed described as a stand-off who has played at scrum half to fill in. Intriguing now to see who the other half will be. I still fancy Bosc (in a rugby sense) but feel that the longer we wait it is probably because of a medical examination result pending allowing the deal to proceed after using the compensation from Orford to possibly buy out a contract- whoever that may be? If it was Bosc – what is stopping the announcement now the Orford deal looks to be settled? This is turning out to be one of the most interesting off seasons I can remember and it isn't over yet![/p][/quote]Again, couldn't agree more. It looks like we are getting a TEAM together and not just some big name players who the rest of the guys have to accommodate because of reputation. I can see quite a few 'reputations' being made in the coming seasons including Elima and Diskin. These one year contracts don't worry me because if the player wants to progress and carve out a starting slot he has a season to do so. Contracts can be extended easily enough where it is warranted. It is difficult to cancel a long contract if the player doesn't perform. Yeh, this is it, roll on 2011. COYB Far Away

7:05pm Fri 29 Oct 10

Bulls Boy 2011 says...

When we won the 2001 Grand Final there wasn't any big names. Well they wasn't when we got the players but they turned into big name players because they played as a team and won the GF.

Security Word: wait-true. If we wait our dreams of Pryce coming back might come true ;)
When we won the 2001 Grand Final there wasn't any big names. Well they wasn't when we got the players but they turned into big name players because they played as a team and won the GF. Security Word: wait-true. If we wait our dreams of Pryce coming back might come true ;) Bulls Boy 2011

7:07pm Fri 29 Oct 10

rockman! says...

I also agree with all of this! think Herbert will be a good signing if we use him right! MP knows what he's doing, he is trying to create a team full of 110% committed guys that are specialist in their positions! I would vommit if we ever saw Sykes at stand off ever again considering the depth we now have plus the other 2 rumoured signings aswel!

Speaking of the other 2 signings who should they be, they will be from Super League and one of them needs to be another halfback, hopefully a specialist goal kicking no7....... Burrow, Bosc, Robinson???? Is Leon Pryce returning then?

COYB!!
I also agree with all of this! think Herbert will be a good signing if we use him right! MP knows what he's doing, he is trying to create a team full of 110% committed guys that are specialist in their positions! I would vommit if we ever saw Sykes at stand off ever again considering the depth we now have plus the other 2 rumoured signings aswel! Speaking of the other 2 signings who should they be, they will be from Super League and one of them needs to be another halfback, hopefully a specialist goal kicking no7....... Burrow, Bosc, Robinson???? Is Leon Pryce returning then? COYB!! rockman!

7:20pm Fri 29 Oct 10

Far Away says...

Yeh, two signings to come and I wondered if Burrows was coming along with one of the two guys once mentioned from Crusaders but I don't think we have an overseas player spot now. I'm going with Burrows and Robinson with Bosc as an outside choice. Well, who knows??? Mind you, that's me wot can't pick 3 lottery numbers out of 6!!!
Yeh, two signings to come and I wondered if Burrows was coming along with one of the two guys once mentioned from Crusaders but I don't think we have an overseas player spot now. I'm going with Burrows and Robinson with Bosc as an outside choice. Well, who knows??? Mind you, that's me wot can't pick 3 lottery numbers out of 6!!! Far Away

7:39pm Fri 29 Oct 10

Prycey says...

We still don't have a recognised goal kicker as far as I know which is why I had always hoped for Bosc. He is also described by most as a number 7 and with Herbert being described as a stand-off I still like this idea but Connor says Bosc is off the mark. To summarise, I haven't a bl**dy clue who the other half back is going to be. One or two did mention Herbert the other day so well done to them but nobody has been as confident today to mention the next name. It looks like everyone is now scratching their heads wondering who is the next player to be announced.
We still don't have a recognised goal kicker as far as I know which is why I had always hoped for Bosc. He is also described by most as a number 7 and with Herbert being described as a stand-off I still like this idea but Connor says Bosc is off the mark. To summarise, I haven't a bl**dy clue who the other half back is going to be. One or two did mention Herbert the other day so well done to them but nobody has been as confident today to mention the next name. It looks like everyone is now scratching their heads wondering who is the next player to be announced. Prycey

8:10pm Fri 29 Oct 10

haitch says...

No doubt we'll all know soon enough. Surprises are rare indeed in this global 24 hr. media world.
Seems the next job will be to finalise "awful's" release then we can look forward to a couple more announcements. It's a great story and they usually have a twist in the tale!!.
No doubt we'll all know soon enough. Surprises are rare indeed in this global 24 hr. media world. Seems the next job will be to finalise "awful's" release then we can look forward to a couple more announcements. It's a great story and they usually have a twist in the tale!!. haitch

8:29pm Fri 29 Oct 10

nidgenodge says...

Agree with Prycey - you only have to look at Huddersfield and what a good team they are.What is the catalyst - its not rocket science is it - Mr Brown or Mr McNamara? Hope Mr Potter does not let us down as it is all really in his hands.All the good coaches get their team playing with PASSION PASSION PASSION players really wanting to play for their club and looking after each other.Mr Morgan at Hull KR springs to mind.If we get a decent stand off and Potter coaches them well, the future looks good - fingers crossed eh
Agree with Prycey - you only have to look at Huddersfield and what a good team they are.What is the catalyst - its not rocket science is it - Mr Brown or Mr McNamara? Hope Mr Potter does not let us down as it is all really in his hands.All the good coaches get their team playing with PASSION PASSION PASSION players really wanting to play for their club and looking after each other.Mr Morgan at Hull KR springs to mind.If we get a decent stand off and Potter coaches them well, the future looks good - fingers crossed eh nidgenodge

8:36pm Fri 29 Oct 10

Bulls Boy 2011 says...

Pryce LOOKS most likely to be a signing. Robinson is APPARENTLY happy at Giants. BOSC and BURROW have been ruled out by Connor.

HERBERT IS A GOAL KICKER!!!
SYKES IS A GOAL KICKER!!!
ADDY IS A GOAL KICKER!!!
SOUTHERNWOOD IS A GOAL KICKER!!!
GODWIN KICKED FOR CAS AND A FEW FOR US!!!
Pryce LOOKS most likely to be a signing. Robinson is APPARENTLY happy at Giants. BOSC and BURROW have been ruled out by Connor. HERBERT IS A GOAL KICKER!!! SYKES IS A GOAL KICKER!!! ADDY IS A GOAL KICKER!!! SOUTHERNWOOD IS A GOAL KICKER!!! GODWIN KICKED FOR CAS AND A FEW FOR US!!! Bulls Boy 2011

10:15pm Fri 29 Oct 10

Topgearman says...

flashdonut wrote:
Get in. The type of player I wanted to sign. I truly believe though that we must have a 'wise old head' at lined up for stand-off, to protect the kid. Somebody like Leon Pryce would be ideal.
It is bloody leon. How many times do I have to say it
[quote][p][bold]flashdonut[/bold] wrote: Get in. The type of player I wanted to sign. I truly believe though that we must have a 'wise old head' at lined up for stand-off, to protect the kid. Somebody like Leon Pryce would be ideal.[/p][/quote]It is bloody leon. How many times do I have to say it Topgearman

10:23pm Fri 29 Oct 10

Bulls Boy 2011 says...

Topgearman wrote:
flashdonut wrote: Get in. The type of player I wanted to sign. I truly believe though that we must have a 'wise old head' at lined up for stand-off, to protect the kid. Somebody like Leon Pryce would be ideal.
It is bloody leon. How many times do I have to say it
How do you know mate? Who are your sorces?
[quote][p][bold]Topgearman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]flashdonut[/bold] wrote: Get in. The type of player I wanted to sign. I truly believe though that we must have a 'wise old head' at lined up for stand-off, to protect the kid. Somebody like Leon Pryce would be ideal.[/p][/quote]It is bloody leon. How many times do I have to say it[/p][/quote]How do you know mate? Who are your sorces? Bulls Boy 2011

9:05am Sat 30 Oct 10

Topgearman says...

As long as his neck is right it's Leon. That's all that can be said I'm afraid
As long as his neck is right it's Leon. That's all that can be said I'm afraid Topgearman

11:29am Sat 30 Oct 10

col 64 says...

Topgearman wrote:
As long as his neck is right it's Leon. That's all that can be said I'm afraid
ihope your right topgearman it certainly makes sense,because after all mp was his coach and leon would have been keeping him up to date on his fitness.but and i stress its a big but what makes sense does not always happen.me personally i hope it does happen even though i was the one that mentioned that bosc was coming. i would imagine that any compo we recieve would go towards buying out leons contract.
[quote][p][bold]Topgearman[/bold] wrote: As long as his neck is right it's Leon. That's all that can be said I'm afraid[/p][/quote]ihope your right topgearman it certainly makes sense,because after all mp was his coach and leon would have been keeping him up to date on his fitness.but and i stress its a big but what makes sense does not always happen.me personally i hope it does happen even though i was the one that mentioned that bosc was coming. i would imagine that any compo we recieve would go towards buying out leons contract. col 64

8:54pm Sat 30 Oct 10

littletubbstaylor says...

I still think Burrows is coming-little rumors i`ve heard and way people have been talkin Leon`s comin also-happy days!
I still think Burrows is coming-little rumors i`ve heard and way people have been talkin Leon`s comin also-happy days! littletubbstaylor

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