We almost looked like we’d given in: Francis Cummins on Bradford Bulls' record defeat

THAT’S YOUR LOT! Luke Gale crosses for a try in the only highlight of a wretched afternoon for the shell-shocked Bulls at the DW Stadium

THAT’S YOUR LOT! Luke Gale crosses for a try in the only highlight of a wretched afternoon for the shell-shocked Bulls at the DW Stadium

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Francis Cummins admitted some of his players let him down as the Bulls crashed to their heaviest-ever defeat.

Wigan sailed to an 84-6 victory – equalling their best-ever win at Hull KR on Easter Monday last year – and Cummins could not hide his disappointment.

He pointed to the promising debut of 18-year-old prop Sam Bates, an Academy regular who only trains with the first-team squad on a part-time basis.

But he conceded there was not enough fight shown throughout the team as Wigan ran in 15 tries.

Head coach Cummins, who was forced to name four teenagers on the bench due to the absence of seven senior players, said: “Wigan were miles better than us.

“I can look at the situation we are in – seven players missing is a tough one – and we had a couple of part-time lads in the squad from the under-19s.

“I thought some of our lads had a real dig today but there were a handful who were way off it.

"There were times when we almost looked like we had given in.

“That wasn’t the case but it did look like it. You can’t play with a team who aren’t quite there against a team like Wigan.

"Yes, we had an average age of just over 23 and some young lads with not much experience, but I would expect my senior players to stand up.

"Some did and some didn’t, so we’ll have to address that this week.”

The Bulls also suffered another injury blow as rookie forward Oliver Roberts sustained a broken fibia.

Cummins, who said the late arrival of the Bradford team bus owing to traffic congestion had not caused any disruption, added: “We didn’t compete in the ruck and only had nine or ten sets in the first half.

"The game is too hard and that was because Wigan were scoring tries and we were missing tackles.

“There were a lot of mismatches out there and they all went Wigan’s way.

“There were some good things at the end but we needed more composure.”

Cummins paid tribute to debutant Bates, adding: “I’m really happy for Sam because he’s a part-time player who has shone for the Under-19s this year.

“To toil against a team who are totally on the front foot showed great character for Sam and he was terrific.”

Dale Ferguson missed out because of a recurrence of a previous back problem and will be assessed this week along with Matty Blythe, Adam Sidlow and James Donaldson.

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7:38am Tue 22 Apr 14

Paul from Idle says...

I can't spake!!
I can't spake!! Paul from Idle
  • Score: 0

7:47am Tue 22 Apr 14

bradfordbronco says...

Time for new ideas to come on board. Move Cummins back to assistant coach and bring in some new blood from Australia. Like Wigan did with Michael Maguire or Catalans with Trent Robinson. We need someone who understands attacking and defensive structures.

We've gone from Brian Smith to his assistant Elliott, to his assistant, Noble, to his assistant MacNamarra, to then Smiths other assistant from '95 Mick Potter to his assistant Francis Cummins. Each has learned only from the previous one until we have completely lost the way with how the game is now played. We haven't evolved we've just continued with what little knowledge the previous coach has passed down.

I'm not sure who is the right man for the job but i hope we spend some time looking for him not just bring in a Noble or Kear. We need a proper coach with fresh ideas who can change the whole club around
Time for new ideas to come on board. Move Cummins back to assistant coach and bring in some new blood from Australia. Like Wigan did with Michael Maguire or Catalans with Trent Robinson. We need someone who understands attacking and defensive structures. We've gone from Brian Smith to his assistant Elliott, to his assistant, Noble, to his assistant MacNamarra, to then Smiths other assistant from '95 Mick Potter to his assistant Francis Cummins. Each has learned only from the previous one until we have completely lost the way with how the game is now played. We haven't evolved we've just continued with what little knowledge the previous coach has passed down. I'm not sure who is the right man for the job but i hope we spend some time looking for him not just bring in a Noble or Kear. We need a proper coach with fresh ideas who can change the whole club around bradfordbronco
  • Score: 27

7:55am Tue 22 Apr 14

Scrouge says...

The biggest Mismatch as Cummins put it, was him and Shaun Wane.
We need an experienced Coach who can Motivate and inspire. Cummins has done the job of Babysitting during the Circus. Time Mr Green brought his own Man to protect his investment. Clear out and start again no more excuses we have heard them all from Cummins.
The biggest Mismatch as Cummins put it, was him and Shaun Wane. We need an experienced Coach who can Motivate and inspire. Cummins has done the job of Babysitting during the Circus. Time Mr Green brought his own Man to protect his investment. Clear out and start again no more excuses we have heard them all from Cummins. Scrouge
  • Score: 15

8:17am Tue 22 Apr 14

axelf1963 says...

The tide is turning, FC was ace not that long ago now the natives are getting restless
The tide is turning, FC was ace not that long ago now the natives are getting restless axelf1963
  • Score: -7

8:22am Tue 22 Apr 14

tuono 59 says...

the problems at the bulls cannot be laid at FC.s door ,sport is not like any other job to play well plavers need to be in the correct frame of mind to fully focus on the job in hand.the constant problems must affect players ability to put their bodies on the line .also how many of our players are planning a move away from the bulls for next season?
the problems at the bulls cannot be laid at FC.s door ,sport is not like any other job to play well plavers need to be in the correct frame of mind to fully focus on the job in hand.the constant problems must affect players ability to put their bodies on the line .also how many of our players are planning a move away from the bulls for next season? tuono 59
  • Score: -1

8:23am Tue 22 Apr 14

NG1972 says...

Cummings just resign it is very obvious that.you have lost the dressing room and you are losing the fans. Just do us all a favour and go take your coaching staff with you. This is just an embarrassment now I know we have gone through he'll but there is still no excuses for very poor performances on the field. When we was going through this when potter was in charge we didn't give in. Expect a very poor crowd on Sunday cause nobody is going to pay to watch a shower. I'm definitely not I've spent enough of hard earned money on this club and this is how you are paying me back.
Cummings just resign it is very obvious that.you have lost the dressing room and you are losing the fans. Just do us all a favour and go take your coaching staff with you. This is just an embarrassment now I know we have gone through he'll but there is still no excuses for very poor performances on the field. When we was going through this when potter was in charge we didn't give in. Expect a very poor crowd on Sunday cause nobody is going to pay to watch a shower. I'm definitely not I've spent enough of hard earned money on this club and this is how you are paying me back. NG1972
  • Score: 7

8:52am Tue 22 Apr 14

rogerthat! says...

How many more Thrashings does the Team take before action is taken?
Best way to get rid of Cummins is to appoint Nobby as the Senior Coach ,he would be off like a bullet. Expect more drubbings unless Green put some Real money in for Quality Players or changes the coaching team.
How many more Thrashings does the Team take before action is taken? Best way to get rid of Cummins is to appoint Nobby as the Senior Coach ,he would be off like a bullet. Expect more drubbings unless Green put some Real money in for Quality Players or changes the coaching team. rogerthat!
  • Score: 8

8:58am Tue 22 Apr 14

axelf1963 says...

Would you if you were a rhinos fan like green ?
Would you if you were a rhinos fan like green ? axelf1963
  • Score: -13

8:58am Tue 22 Apr 14

Van Bellen's Baby says...

I agree the manner of yesterday's defeat was shocking (though Wigan did it to HKR last year too as Ross points out) but this fixture period may possibly be the toughest sequence the club has ever faced whilst in its weakest state player-wise. The difficult fixture run continues until June 1st when we play Wakefield, so get used to the idea that we may still be on minus 2 until then (unless the RFL gets generous in the mean time). June also presents a winnable fixture against HKR before July returns us to another tough month against the top teams. Our last two fixtures are Widnes and London by the way.
I agree the manner of yesterday's defeat was shocking (though Wigan did it to HKR last year too as Ross points out) but this fixture period may possibly be the toughest sequence the club has ever faced whilst in its weakest state player-wise. The difficult fixture run continues until June 1st when we play Wakefield, so get used to the idea that we may still be on minus 2 until then (unless the RFL gets generous in the mean time). June also presents a winnable fixture against HKR before July returns us to another tough month against the top teams. Our last two fixtures are Widnes and London by the way. Van Bellen's Baby
  • Score: 2

9:02am Tue 22 Apr 14

caledonia15 says...

Sadly this situation now needs immediate action, i think anyone who has watched the last few games could see this coming, we had no chance of matching Leeds or Wigan with the present regime ( i think if Leeds had not taken their foot off the gas they would have scored 70- 80 points against us). As much as l admire Cummins for what he has done at Odsal these last few years, the shambles that is now Bradford Bulls can't go on, its time for a change to try and rescue whats left of this truly awful season. Quite a few of the "players" need to be sat down and have their fortune told to them, it is totally unacceptable for these players to steal the money they are getting, just no pride in the shirt, and an insult to the remaining hardcore of fans who have so far stood by them, my patience is just about at an end after 50+ years of support. Lets see some direct action from Mr Green and the board at Odsal.
Sadly this situation now needs immediate action, i think anyone who has watched the last few games could see this coming, we had no chance of matching Leeds or Wigan with the present regime ( i think if Leeds had not taken their foot off the gas they would have scored 70- 80 points against us). As much as l admire Cummins for what he has done at Odsal these last few years, the shambles that is now Bradford Bulls can't go on, its time for a change to try and rescue whats left of this truly awful season. Quite a few of the "players" need to be sat down and have their fortune told to them, it is totally unacceptable for these players to steal the money they are getting, just no pride in the shirt, and an insult to the remaining hardcore of fans who have so far stood by them, my patience is just about at an end after 50+ years of support. Lets see some direct action from Mr Green and the board at Odsal. caledonia15
  • Score: 30

9:02am Tue 22 Apr 14

haterugbysometimes says...

'We looked like we had almost given in', well Cummins that must be the most ridiculous statement ever from you - errr with that scoreline the players had obviously given in, a total and utter joke. If you went around the amateur clubs in Bradford before the game you could have picked much better players who would have given much more; why do we waste our money on this load of tripe, we should be given our money back. Although I hate to say it, you are going down and well it will be years if ever the Bulls get back to Super League. The best thing you can do Cummins is walk and fast
'We looked like we had almost given in', well Cummins that must be the most ridiculous statement ever from you - errr with that scoreline the players had obviously given in, a total and utter joke. If you went around the amateur clubs in Bradford before the game you could have picked much better players who would have given much more; why do we waste our money on this load of tripe, we should be given our money back. Although I hate to say it, you are going down and well it will be years if ever the Bulls get back to Super League. The best thing you can do Cummins is walk and fast haterugbysometimes
  • Score: 10

9:05am Tue 22 Apr 14

Old Dave says...

Look at the other clubs who have coaches from the smith school: Salford, Warrington, Leeds, new Zealand warriors, hull fc. They seem to be doing ok? The problem isn't the coach and his philosophy, it is the fact that he has a squad that is lacking any depth or strength, full of players nobody else wants! Also, the support staff is small and again not made up of the elite that it once was.
The club is skint and I can't see green putting any real money in until he knows we have the six points back and we have a hope of staying up. If the appeal isn't successful, then the last two results will become the norm.
Look at the other clubs who have coaches from the smith school: Salford, Warrington, Leeds, new Zealand warriors, hull fc. They seem to be doing ok? The problem isn't the coach and his philosophy, it is the fact that he has a squad that is lacking any depth or strength, full of players nobody else wants! Also, the support staff is small and again not made up of the elite that it once was. The club is skint and I can't see green putting any real money in until he knows we have the six points back and we have a hope of staying up. If the appeal isn't successful, then the last two results will become the norm. Old Dave
  • Score: 17

9:08am Tue 22 Apr 14

bully4us says...

It now appears we are in a catch 22 position. I agree with most above about Franny not having the experience to solve this on his own and we do need a clear out.
Kearney said on the radio that he will be looking at his options within this next month. So will most of the other players as about 50 SL players will be out of work in August with two clubs going down. Player’s agents will want to get in early to find them a club.
The problem we have is that with 17 games left which “top” coach would come here now. Which “top” player would come unless they are not currently playing? We are probably stuck with what we have apart from loans. Our best hope is to get a few fringe players from the NRL who are keeping benches warm but fancy a summer in the UK.

Green is in a very awkward position. Does he sign other average players to silence the fans? Does he sack Franny and bring in ----Who? It’s May next week and the season ends in August for us. Time is running out and if nothing changes within the next month we will be relegated.
I wouldn't want to be in his shoes. If nothing changes soon I would probably (privately) accept relegation and keep all of my money to spend next year to get us back up - along with finding a new smaller ground (yes, shared) and make it a complete new start.
It now appears we are in a catch 22 position. I agree with most above about Franny not having the experience to solve this on his own and we do need a clear out. Kearney said on the radio that he will be looking at his options within this next month. So will most of the other players as about 50 SL players will be out of work in August with two clubs going down. Player’s agents will want to get in early to find them a club. The problem we have is that with 17 games left which “top” coach would come here now. Which “top” player would come unless they are not currently playing? We are probably stuck with what we have apart from loans. Our best hope is to get a few fringe players from the NRL who are keeping benches warm but fancy a summer in the UK. Green is in a very awkward position. Does he sign other average players to silence the fans? Does he sack Franny and bring in ----Who? It’s May next week and the season ends in August for us. Time is running out and if nothing changes within the next month we will be relegated. I wouldn't want to be in his shoes. If nothing changes soon I would probably (privately) accept relegation and keep all of my money to spend next year to get us back up - along with finding a new smaller ground (yes, shared) and make it a complete new start. bully4us
  • Score: 9

9:16am Tue 22 Apr 14

haterugbysometimes says...

tuono 59 wrote:
the problems at the bulls cannot be laid at FC.s door ,sport is not like any other job to play well plavers need to be in the correct frame of mind to fully focus on the job in hand.the constant problems must affect players ability to put their bodies on the line .also how many of our players are planning a move away from the bulls for next season?
err why have a coach then
[quote][p][bold]tuono 59[/bold] wrote: the problems at the bulls cannot be laid at FC.s door ,sport is not like any other job to play well plavers need to be in the correct frame of mind to fully focus on the job in hand.the constant problems must affect players ability to put their bodies on the line .also how many of our players are planning a move away from the bulls for next season?[/p][/quote]err why have a coach then haterugbysometimes
  • Score: 3

9:39am Tue 22 Apr 14

Thee Voice of Reason says...

A few weeks ago the same people now calling for FC head were stating him as a shoe in for coach of the year.
A few weeks ago the same people now calling for FC head were stating him as a shoe in for coach of the year. Thee Voice of Reason
  • Score: -1

9:39am Tue 22 Apr 14

bullybullman says...

Well I predicted that exact score on a post yesterday & to me it was obvious it would be a record defeat. Reading Frannies comments is sad reading it stinks of desperation he has lost control of the squad.

If players look liked they had given in its because they had ! and sorry Franny but this was the case. We are in dire straights all the elation of being taken over & coming out of admin has gone all where left with is Jamal Fakir & a replastered room to house out ticket office & shop.

Marc Green needs to stamp his intent & he needs to stamp it today we need to know what are the club going to do to stop this slide into oblivion. So sad to see our loyal fans stood in the stand humiliated by a squad that not only shows massive disrespect to the club & its coach but to the loyal Bradford army who have stuck by them through thick & thin.

Sadly Franny has now lost the support of the fans most now calling for his head I hope we do not sack him but he needs help fast.. The crowd on Sunday will tell a tale of where the fans are at I think it could be well under 2k.

Mr Green needs to speak up make a statement about where we are at & what his plans are time is running out.
Well I predicted that exact score on a post yesterday & to me it was obvious it would be a record defeat. Reading Frannies comments is sad reading it stinks of desperation he has lost control of the squad. If players look liked they had given in its because they had ! and sorry Franny but this was the case. We are in dire straights all the elation of being taken over & coming out of admin has gone all where left with is Jamal Fakir & a replastered room to house out ticket office & shop. Marc Green needs to stamp his intent & he needs to stamp it today we need to know what are the club going to do to stop this slide into oblivion. So sad to see our loyal fans stood in the stand humiliated by a squad that not only shows massive disrespect to the club & its coach but to the loyal Bradford army who have stuck by them through thick & thin. Sadly Franny has now lost the support of the fans most now calling for his head I hope we do not sack him but he needs help fast.. The crowd on Sunday will tell a tale of where the fans are at I think it could be well under 2k. Mr Green needs to speak up make a statement about where we are at & what his plans are time is running out. bullybullman
  • Score: 2

9:40am Tue 22 Apr 14

tuono 59 says...

the point i:m trying to make is the club has many problems off the field and has done for some years FC has only worked at the bulls under these cicumstances who knows what he could do with a club like leeds or wigan and unless changes off the field are made which quality coach or player is going to want to come to the bulls
the point i:m trying to make is the club has many problems off the field and has done for some years FC has only worked at the bulls under these cicumstances who knows what he could do with a club like leeds or wigan and unless changes off the field are made which quality coach or player is going to want to come to the bulls tuono 59
  • Score: 0

9:48am Tue 22 Apr 14

bullybullman says...

bully4us wrote:
It now appears we are in a catch 22 position. I agree with most above about Franny not having the experience to solve this on his own and we do need a clear out.
Kearney said on the radio that he will be looking at his options within this next month. So will most of the other players as about 50 SL players will be out of work in August with two clubs going down. Player’s agents will want to get in early to find them a club.
The problem we have is that with 17 games left which “top” coach would come here now. Which “top” player would come unless they are not currently playing? We are probably stuck with what we have apart from loans. Our best hope is to get a few fringe players from the NRL who are keeping benches warm but fancy a summer in the UK.

Green is in a very awkward position. Does he sign other average players to silence the fans? Does he sack Franny and bring in ----Who? It’s May next week and the season ends in August for us. Time is running out and if nothing changes within the next month we will be relegated.
I wouldn't want to be in his shoes. If nothing changes soon I would probably (privately) accept relegation and keep all of my money to spend next year to get us back up - along with finding a new smaller ground (yes, shared) and make it a complete new start.
Great post bully4us & I think that is just what Marc Green is doing its a waiting game for him but lets be honest getting all 6 points back wont make us safe.
[quote][p][bold]bully4us[/bold] wrote: It now appears we are in a catch 22 position. I agree with most above about Franny not having the experience to solve this on his own and we do need a clear out. Kearney said on the radio that he will be looking at his options within this next month. So will most of the other players as about 50 SL players will be out of work in August with two clubs going down. Player’s agents will want to get in early to find them a club. The problem we have is that with 17 games left which “top” coach would come here now. Which “top” player would come unless they are not currently playing? We are probably stuck with what we have apart from loans. Our best hope is to get a few fringe players from the NRL who are keeping benches warm but fancy a summer in the UK. Green is in a very awkward position. Does he sign other average players to silence the fans? Does he sack Franny and bring in ----Who? It’s May next week and the season ends in August for us. Time is running out and if nothing changes within the next month we will be relegated. I wouldn't want to be in his shoes. If nothing changes soon I would probably (privately) accept relegation and keep all of my money to spend next year to get us back up - along with finding a new smaller ground (yes, shared) and make it a complete new start.[/p][/quote]Great post bully4us & I think that is just what Marc Green is doing its a waiting game for him but lets be honest getting all 6 points back wont make us safe. bullybullman
  • Score: 8

10:28am Tue 22 Apr 14

Thee Voice of Reason says...

To turn the Bulls fortunes round as quickly as many on here would like would probably require an initial investment in the region of £2m.

That isn't going to happen. What Mr Green appears to be looking at is the long haul, relegation to the Championship and rebuilding from there with a manageable wage bill, and more reliance on the youth structure. Then when the Bulls have found their feet promotion back to the Super League and a steady improvement year on year.

Many won't like to hear this but thats the way it looks to be as no one with £2m+ to plough into the club is availible.
To turn the Bulls fortunes round as quickly as many on here would like would probably require an initial investment in the region of £2m. That isn't going to happen. What Mr Green appears to be looking at is the long haul, relegation to the Championship and rebuilding from there with a manageable wage bill, and more reliance on the youth structure. Then when the Bulls have found their feet promotion back to the Super League and a steady improvement year on year. Many won't like to hear this but thats the way it looks to be as no one with £2m+ to plough into the club is availible. Thee Voice of Reason
  • Score: 14

10:46am Tue 22 Apr 14

Bring Cordle back......... says...

Are the club finally living to there means and preparing to go down? If Mr Green has a level of money to lavish on the club will he get a better return on it next year? I'm not convinced from where we are now we can buy the success before August. Is it worth the risk of going in to admin again?
Are the club finally living to there means and preparing to go down? If Mr Green has a level of money to lavish on the club will he get a better return on it next year? I'm not convinced from where we are now we can buy the success before August. Is it worth the risk of going in to admin again? Bring Cordle back.........
  • Score: 8

11:39am Tue 22 Apr 14

solidarity75 says...

In a week when it seems David Moyes will be dismissed there comes a time when even the admirable and stoical Francis Cummins must recognise that he has come to the end of the road with this team. As some on here have commented we could simply accept a series of devastating defeats and prepare for a season or two (or more?) in the Championship or we can try to rescue this season. Any business would dismiss the CEO if results were as dire as this and Mr. Green insists he is running a business. Furthermore if he wants the crowds to continue to come in he needs to do something to show that he will do all it takes to turn this situation round. So, as I said two or three weeks ago, Brian Noble is the man for me, if he is available. If not Morrison from Dewsbury. Either would stiffen up the defence and demand that the players play with pride and commitment, and armed with a strategy that will cut out stupid errors. The supporters demand no less. And after all, we pay the wages.
In a week when it seems David Moyes will be dismissed there comes a time when even the admirable and stoical Francis Cummins must recognise that he has come to the end of the road with this team. As some on here have commented we could simply accept a series of devastating defeats and prepare for a season or two (or more?) in the Championship or we can try to rescue this season. Any business would dismiss the CEO if results were as dire as this and Mr. Green insists he is running a business. Furthermore if he wants the crowds to continue to come in he needs to do something to show that he will do all it takes to turn this situation round. So, as I said two or three weeks ago, Brian Noble is the man for me, if he is available. If not Morrison from Dewsbury. Either would stiffen up the defence and demand that the players play with pride and commitment, and armed with a strategy that will cut out stupid errors. The supporters demand no less. And after all, we pay the wages. solidarity75
  • Score: 5

11:52am Tue 22 Apr 14

Odsal53 says...

In answer to the follow on of coaches from Brian Smith;s time all being assistants to the last coach. Liverpool did well for a number of years promoting from the boot room, the difference being they had a team in those days. eventually that ran out on them as the team got old and poor replacements coming in.. we ran out of money which ment inferior players coming in, due to no big backer for us. Why in all the years Bradford has been playing have we not been able to attract a chairperson with deep pockets.
Final comment Peter Fox had success with trophys with lesser players. What he had motvational skills in abundance. He had players playing well above their skill base. Gary Hale Steve Ferriss are two that spring to mind.
In answer to the follow on of coaches from Brian Smith;s time all being assistants to the last coach. Liverpool did well for a number of years promoting from the boot room, the difference being they had a team in those days. eventually that ran out on them as the team got old and poor replacements coming in.. we ran out of money which ment inferior players coming in, due to no big backer for us. Why in all the years Bradford has been playing have we not been able to attract a chairperson with deep pockets. Final comment Peter Fox had success with trophys with lesser players. What he had motvational skills in abundance. He had players playing well above their skill base. Gary Hale Steve Ferriss are two that spring to mind. Odsal53
  • Score: 0

11:59am Tue 22 Apr 14

Mr Capp says...

It's midday and still no announcement of Cummings' sacking! Where is the leadership?
It's midday and still no announcement of Cummings' sacking! Where is the leadership? Mr Capp
  • Score: -2

12:00pm Tue 22 Apr 14

handoff says...

Big scores can ballon out like that, remember when we beat Hull? I've been on the end of an 84:6 drubbing (although we started with 12, lost one to injury and another walked off in disgust) and it's unpleasant. Understandably players are looking to their futures, we were always going to loose, we were under strength on a limited squad, and it was a second drubbing in a few days. Did all of those commenting here go? What did they expect? Get real or save you cash for home games.

In all professional sport the key is energy conservation, using it when it has the optimal impact and not throwing it away on useless causes. I suggest you look at the road racing classics or grand tours in cycle racing to understand this (another hard man's sport).

We are not in a position to attract a better coach than Cummins so stop with the knee jerk reactions, lashing about in our understandable disappointment. More to the point, no one could do significantly better than Cummins at the moment except perhaps Wayne Bennett. Hmmm, let me think about the likelihood of attracting him in this cycle of our club! The cards will fall where they may this season (unless we play on a table rigged by the RFL) and all we can do is hang on for the ride and support our team. .

However, I do have a concern for the teenagers introduced. This sort of lashing can be damaging to their development, never mind their tibia! But needs' must when the devil drives.
Big scores can ballon out like that, remember when we beat Hull? I've been on the end of an 84:6 drubbing (although we started with 12, lost one to injury and another walked off in disgust) and it's unpleasant. Understandably players are looking to their futures, we were always going to loose, we were under strength on a limited squad, and it was a second drubbing in a few days. Did all of those commenting here go? What did they expect? Get real or save you cash for home games. In all professional sport the key is energy conservation, using it when it has the optimal impact and not throwing it away on useless causes. I suggest you look at the road racing classics or grand tours in cycle racing to understand this (another hard man's sport). We are not in a position to attract a better coach than Cummins so stop with the knee jerk reactions, lashing about in our understandable disappointment. More to the point, no one could do significantly better than Cummins at the moment except perhaps Wayne Bennett. Hmmm, let me think about the likelihood of attracting him in this cycle of our club! The cards will fall where they may this season (unless we play on a table rigged by the RFL) and all we can do is hang on for the ride and support our team. . However, I do have a concern for the teenagers introduced. This sort of lashing can be damaging to their development, never mind their tibia! But needs' must when the devil drives. handoff
  • Score: 1

12:03pm Tue 22 Apr 14

tuono 59 says...

is it me or does everyone think yesterdays result was due to recent bad management ?this is a culmination of years of poor decision making and punishments by the rfl for those mistakes .until we get an owner who is willing and able to turn the club around more poor results will follow.good players and good coaches go to the best clubs rugby league is a small community and all the players know which are the good clubs to play for so until the bulls have a reputation as a good place to work good players will not sign ,would you?
is it me or does everyone think yesterdays result was due to recent bad management ?this is a culmination of years of poor decision making and punishments by the rfl for those mistakes .until we get an owner who is willing and able to turn the club around more poor results will follow.good players and good coaches go to the best clubs rugby league is a small community and all the players know which are the good clubs to play for so until the bulls have a reputation as a good place to work good players will not sign ,would you? tuono 59
  • Score: 3

12:23pm Tue 22 Apr 14

bully4us says...

I do get the feeling that fans are now looking at relegation and rebuilding on solid foundations as a near certainty. It is like a drip-drip affect. A month ago we were all only looking at staying up. As each week goes by we are looking at playing Fax, Fev and the others as a given.

This is probably how it will be for the next 3 month - a slow but progressive realisation that the club will and probably deserves to go down. Two clubs need to go down and lets be honest here, the Bulls and London have been an absolute disgrace the way they have been run and performed over the last few years.

Yes we all want to stay up but it is our fault if we go down. I have absolutely no problems with playing in a lower league as long as we have an owner with clear plans to build and run us properly so we can come back up stronger and prouder than we feel right now.
I do get the feeling that fans are now looking at relegation and rebuilding on solid foundations as a near certainty. It is like a drip-drip affect. A month ago we were all only looking at staying up. As each week goes by we are looking at playing Fax, Fev and the others as a given. This is probably how it will be for the next 3 month - a slow but progressive realisation that the club will and probably deserves to go down. Two clubs need to go down and lets be honest here, the Bulls and London have been an absolute disgrace the way they have been run and performed over the last few years. Yes we all want to stay up but it is our fault if we go down. I have absolutely no problems with playing in a lower league as long as we have an owner with clear plans to build and run us properly so we can come back up stronger and prouder than we feel right now. bully4us
  • Score: 6

12:42pm Tue 22 Apr 14

Papa Smurfs Wig says...

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
To turn the Bulls fortunes round as quickly as many on here would like would probably require an initial investment in the region of £2m.

That isn't going to happen. What Mr Green appears to be looking at is the long haul, relegation to the Championship and rebuilding from there with a manageable wage bill, and more reliance on the youth structure. Then when the Bulls have found their feet promotion back to the Super League and a steady improvement year on year.

Many won't like to hear this but thats the way it looks to be as no one with £2m+ to plough into the club is availible.
I got a bit of inside info last night from there.
It seems Marc Greens wife is the one running the show at Odsal so maybe they should be asking her.
Also my source says that OK is mad about himself self appreciates all him. Some people up there found some printed canvases of himself as he loved them on the wall. It seems they smashed them to bits.
Also that OK demanded a female member of staff get him a bag of crisps and then a plate but for her not to touch the front of it.
It seems he has picked up on his hygiene since the unclean premises of the restaurant he names after himself.
I'd better not elaborate on what goes on in one if his hotels as that should be a police matter.
I know its off subject but l wasn't happy about the stories l heard.
[quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: To turn the Bulls fortunes round as quickly as many on here would like would probably require an initial investment in the region of £2m. That isn't going to happen. What Mr Green appears to be looking at is the long haul, relegation to the Championship and rebuilding from there with a manageable wage bill, and more reliance on the youth structure. Then when the Bulls have found their feet promotion back to the Super League and a steady improvement year on year. Many won't like to hear this but thats the way it looks to be as no one with £2m+ to plough into the club is availible.[/p][/quote]I got a bit of inside info last night from there. It seems Marc Greens wife is the one running the show at Odsal so maybe they should be asking her. Also my source says that OK is mad about himself self appreciates all him. Some people up there found some printed canvases of himself as he loved them on the wall. It seems they smashed them to bits. Also that OK demanded a female member of staff get him a bag of crisps and then a plate but for her not to touch the front of it. It seems he has picked up on his hygiene since the unclean premises of the restaurant he names after himself. I'd better not elaborate on what goes on in one if his hotels as that should be a police matter. I know its off subject but l wasn't happy about the stories l heard. Papa Smurfs Wig
  • Score: 1

1:15pm Tue 22 Apr 14

haterugbysometimes says...

solidarity75 wrote:
In a week when it seems David Moyes will be dismissed there comes a time when even the admirable and stoical Francis Cummins must recognise that he has come to the end of the road with this team. As some on here have commented we could simply accept a series of devastating defeats and prepare for a season or two (or more?) in the Championship or we can try to rescue this season. Any business would dismiss the CEO if results were as dire as this and Mr. Green insists he is running a business. Furthermore if he wants the crowds to continue to come in he needs to do something to show that he will do all it takes to turn this situation round. So, as I said two or three weeks ago, Brian Noble is the man for me, if he is available. If not Morrison from Dewsbury. Either would stiffen up the defence and demand that the players play with pride and commitment, and armed with a strategy that will cut out stupid errors. The supporters demand no less. And after all, we pay the wages.
I think just about everyone would agree to have Brian Noble back it will take a major miracle to get the club back to where it should be and he would be the man to do it
[quote][p][bold]solidarity75[/bold] wrote: In a week when it seems David Moyes will be dismissed there comes a time when even the admirable and stoical Francis Cummins must recognise that he has come to the end of the road with this team. As some on here have commented we could simply accept a series of devastating defeats and prepare for a season or two (or more?) in the Championship or we can try to rescue this season. Any business would dismiss the CEO if results were as dire as this and Mr. Green insists he is running a business. Furthermore if he wants the crowds to continue to come in he needs to do something to show that he will do all it takes to turn this situation round. So, as I said two or three weeks ago, Brian Noble is the man for me, if he is available. If not Morrison from Dewsbury. Either would stiffen up the defence and demand that the players play with pride and commitment, and armed with a strategy that will cut out stupid errors. The supporters demand no less. And after all, we pay the wages.[/p][/quote]I think just about everyone would agree to have Brian Noble back it will take a major miracle to get the club back to where it should be and he would be the man to do it haterugbysometimes
  • Score: 3

1:20pm Tue 22 Apr 14

nochanceagain says...

I'm not sure how sacking FC paying off his contract then paying for a new Coach (who is going to want a lot of money to take on a rooted bottom side with a history of Administration and not paying wages) is going to help other than take any funds available for players away.
An assistant is what he needs with a solid CV in defensive coaching, unless they stop leaking points they will never outscore the others.
Some new blood in the form of experienced pro's who will add some steel to the defense and power going forward to raise the morale like a Willie Mason if we have any hope of finding a player like that to see us through the season.
I still think the back line is good enough we are just not in the game in the forwards, too small and too gentle.
I'm not sure how sacking FC paying off his contract then paying for a new Coach (who is going to want a lot of money to take on a rooted bottom side with a history of Administration and not paying wages) is going to help other than take any funds available for players away. An assistant is what he needs with a solid CV in defensive coaching, unless they stop leaking points they will never outscore the others. Some new blood in the form of experienced pro's who will add some steel to the defense and power going forward to raise the morale like a Willie Mason if we have any hope of finding a player like that to see us through the season. I still think the back line is good enough we are just not in the game in the forwards, too small and too gentle. nochanceagain
  • Score: 1

1:21pm Tue 22 Apr 14

Thee Voice of Reason says...

Papa Smurfs Wig wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote: To turn the Bulls fortunes round as quickly as many on here would like would probably require an initial investment in the region of £2m. That isn't going to happen. What Mr Green appears to be looking at is the long haul, relegation to the Championship and rebuilding from there with a manageable wage bill, and more reliance on the youth structure. Then when the Bulls have found their feet promotion back to the Super League and a steady improvement year on year. Many won't like to hear this but thats the way it looks to be as no one with £2m+ to plough into the club is availible.
I got a bit of inside info last night from there. It seems Marc Greens wife is the one running the show at Odsal so maybe they should be asking her. Also my source says that OK is mad about himself self appreciates all him. Some people up there found some printed canvases of himself as he loved them on the wall. It seems they smashed them to bits. Also that OK demanded a female member of staff get him a bag of crisps and then a plate but for her not to touch the front of it. It seems he has picked up on his hygiene since the unclean premises of the restaurant he names after himself. I'd better not elaborate on what goes on in one if his hotels as that should be a police matter. I know its off subject but l wasn't happy about the stories l heard.
Well the creditors meeting with OK is tomorrow, hopefully the T&A will send someone down to see what he has to say for himself. He might also confirm about the Council loan he owes and when he is intending to repay it.

I hear that Khan and his mates took over the players warmdown room where they had their post match meals last season so the players had to stand in the bar so your revelations are no suprise. The person who told me this was the same person who told me the massive debt that had been ran up and it was all about to come out in the wash.

Wonder if Sutcliffe will be at this meeting tomorrow to give his side of the story.
[quote][p][bold]Papa Smurfs Wig[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: To turn the Bulls fortunes round as quickly as many on here would like would probably require an initial investment in the region of £2m. That isn't going to happen. What Mr Green appears to be looking at is the long haul, relegation to the Championship and rebuilding from there with a manageable wage bill, and more reliance on the youth structure. Then when the Bulls have found their feet promotion back to the Super League and a steady improvement year on year. Many won't like to hear this but thats the way it looks to be as no one with £2m+ to plough into the club is availible.[/p][/quote]I got a bit of inside info last night from there. It seems Marc Greens wife is the one running the show at Odsal so maybe they should be asking her. Also my source says that OK is mad about himself self appreciates all him. Some people up there found some printed canvases of himself as he loved them on the wall. It seems they smashed them to bits. Also that OK demanded a female member of staff get him a bag of crisps and then a plate but for her not to touch the front of it. It seems he has picked up on his hygiene since the unclean premises of the restaurant he names after himself. I'd better not elaborate on what goes on in one if his hotels as that should be a police matter. I know its off subject but l wasn't happy about the stories l heard.[/p][/quote]Well the creditors meeting with OK is tomorrow, hopefully the T&A will send someone down to see what he has to say for himself. He might also confirm about the Council loan he owes and when he is intending to repay it. I hear that Khan and his mates took over the players warmdown room where they had their post match meals last season so the players had to stand in the bar so your revelations are no suprise. The person who told me this was the same person who told me the massive debt that had been ran up and it was all about to come out in the wash. Wonder if Sutcliffe will be at this meeting tomorrow to give his side of the story. Thee Voice of Reason
  • Score: 2

1:47pm Tue 22 Apr 14

kaye82 says...

you carnt blame franny he needs help and bodys he needs balls and tell the bulls players what they are sh**t but without players to drop when not playing good hes in a hole its all down to mark green making money available to exspand the team and compete as per normal theres no news from odsal its ok saying sorry about how they played DO SUMET ABOUT IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
you carnt blame franny he needs help and bodys he needs balls and tell the bulls players what they are sh**t but without players to drop when not playing good hes in a hole its all down to mark green making money available to exspand the team and compete as per normal theres no news from odsal its ok saying sorry about how they played DO SUMET ABOUT IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! kaye82
  • Score: 0

2:04pm Tue 22 Apr 14

pjbull says...

tuono 59 wrote:
is it me or does everyone think yesterdays result was due to recent bad management ?this is a culmination of years of poor decision making and punishments by the rfl for those mistakes .until we get an owner who is willing and able to turn the club around more poor results will follow.good players and good coaches go to the best clubs rugby league is a small community and all the players know which are the good clubs to play for so until the bulls have a reputation as a good place to work good players will not sign ,would you?
Tuono, I'm not sure that Cas have a better squad than we have but they are sure getting better results - that is down to management pure and simple.
[quote][p][bold]tuono 59[/bold] wrote: is it me or does everyone think yesterdays result was due to recent bad management ?this is a culmination of years of poor decision making and punishments by the rfl for those mistakes .until we get an owner who is willing and able to turn the club around more poor results will follow.good players and good coaches go to the best clubs rugby league is a small community and all the players know which are the good clubs to play for so until the bulls have a reputation as a good place to work good players will not sign ,would you?[/p][/quote]Tuono, I'm not sure that Cas have a better squad than we have but they are sure getting better results - that is down to management pure and simple. pjbull
  • Score: 5

2:17pm Tue 22 Apr 14

tuono 59 says...

maybe, but cas have not gone through the turmoil the bulls have these last few years have taken a heavy toll on all involved .
maybe, but cas have not gone through the turmoil the bulls have these last few years have taken a heavy toll on all involved . tuono 59
  • Score: -3

2:26pm Tue 22 Apr 14

haterugbysometimes says...

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
Papa Smurfs Wig wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote: To turn the Bulls fortunes round as quickly as many on here would like would probably require an initial investment in the region of £2m. That isn't going to happen. What Mr Green appears to be looking at is the long haul, relegation to the Championship and rebuilding from there with a manageable wage bill, and more reliance on the youth structure. Then when the Bulls have found their feet promotion back to the Super League and a steady improvement year on year. Many won't like to hear this but thats the way it looks to be as no one with £2m+ to plough into the club is availible.
I got a bit of inside info last night from there. It seems Marc Greens wife is the one running the show at Odsal so maybe they should be asking her. Also my source says that OK is mad about himself self appreciates all him. Some people up there found some printed canvases of himself as he loved them on the wall. It seems they smashed them to bits. Also that OK demanded a female member of staff get him a bag of crisps and then a plate but for her not to touch the front of it. It seems he has picked up on his hygiene since the unclean premises of the restaurant he names after himself. I'd better not elaborate on what goes on in one if his hotels as that should be a police matter. I know its off subject but l wasn't happy about the stories l heard.
Well the creditors meeting with OK is tomorrow, hopefully the T&A will send someone down to see what he has to say for himself. He might also confirm about the Council loan he owes and when he is intending to repay it. I hear that Khan and his mates took over the players warmdown room where they had their post match meals last season so the players had to stand in the bar so your revelations are no suprise. The person who told me this was the same person who told me the massive debt that had been ran up and it was all about to come out in the wash. Wonder if Sutcliffe will be at this meeting tomorrow to give his side of the story.
Slagging off previous owners is not going to solve anything and lets face it he was the best thing since sliced bread for many when he saved the club and we never had a scoreline like this when he was at the helm. All history apart and back to where we are today, Mr Green nevermind your side kick coming out to give an apology; all those that are associated and follow the club need a bit more than an apology; so come on and tell us what your long term plans are if you have any; if you don't soon and it carries on then fans will walk and their money with them too
[quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Papa Smurfs Wig[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: To turn the Bulls fortunes round as quickly as many on here would like would probably require an initial investment in the region of £2m. That isn't going to happen. What Mr Green appears to be looking at is the long haul, relegation to the Championship and rebuilding from there with a manageable wage bill, and more reliance on the youth structure. Then when the Bulls have found their feet promotion back to the Super League and a steady improvement year on year. Many won't like to hear this but thats the way it looks to be as no one with £2m+ to plough into the club is availible.[/p][/quote]I got a bit of inside info last night from there. It seems Marc Greens wife is the one running the show at Odsal so maybe they should be asking her. Also my source says that OK is mad about himself self appreciates all him. Some people up there found some printed canvases of himself as he loved them on the wall. It seems they smashed them to bits. Also that OK demanded a female member of staff get him a bag of crisps and then a plate but for her not to touch the front of it. It seems he has picked up on his hygiene since the unclean premises of the restaurant he names after himself. I'd better not elaborate on what goes on in one if his hotels as that should be a police matter. I know its off subject but l wasn't happy about the stories l heard.[/p][/quote]Well the creditors meeting with OK is tomorrow, hopefully the T&A will send someone down to see what he has to say for himself. He might also confirm about the Council loan he owes and when he is intending to repay it. I hear that Khan and his mates took over the players warmdown room where they had their post match meals last season so the players had to stand in the bar so your revelations are no suprise. The person who told me this was the same person who told me the massive debt that had been ran up and it was all about to come out in the wash. Wonder if Sutcliffe will be at this meeting tomorrow to give his side of the story.[/p][/quote]Slagging off previous owners is not going to solve anything and lets face it he was the best thing since sliced bread for many when he saved the club and we never had a scoreline like this when he was at the helm. All history apart and back to where we are today, Mr Green nevermind your side kick coming out to give an apology; all those that are associated and follow the club need a bit more than an apology; so come on and tell us what your long term plans are if you have any; if you don't soon and it carries on then fans will walk and their money with them too haterugbysometimes
  • Score: 3

2:35pm Tue 22 Apr 14

axelf1963 says...

Did I mention I have won some nice dough this last few weeks thanks to the bulls. Doubt the bookies will be as charitable this week although catalan by 28 for me. Get on it Viking you know it makes sense.
Did I mention I have won some nice dough this last few weeks thanks to the bulls. Doubt the bookies will be as charitable this week although catalan by 28 for me. Get on it Viking you know it makes sense. axelf1963
  • Score: 0

2:47pm Tue 22 Apr 14

Thee Voice of Reason says...

haterugbysometimes wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
Papa Smurfs Wig wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote: To turn the Bulls fortunes round as quickly as many on here would like would probably require an initial investment in the region of £2m. That isn't going to happen. What Mr Green appears to be looking at is the long haul, relegation to the Championship and rebuilding from there with a manageable wage bill, and more reliance on the youth structure. Then when the Bulls have found their feet promotion back to the Super League and a steady improvement year on year. Many won't like to hear this but thats the way it looks to be as no one with £2m+ to plough into the club is availible.
I got a bit of inside info last night from there. It seems Marc Greens wife is the one running the show at Odsal so maybe they should be asking her. Also my source says that OK is mad about himself self appreciates all him. Some people up there found some printed canvases of himself as he loved them on the wall. It seems they smashed them to bits. Also that OK demanded a female member of staff get him a bag of crisps and then a plate but for her not to touch the front of it. It seems he has picked up on his hygiene since the unclean premises of the restaurant he names after himself. I'd better not elaborate on what goes on in one if his hotels as that should be a police matter. I know its off subject but l wasn't happy about the stories l heard.
Well the creditors meeting with OK is tomorrow, hopefully the T&A will send someone down to see what he has to say for himself. He might also confirm about the Council loan he owes and when he is intending to repay it. I hear that Khan and his mates took over the players warmdown room where they had their post match meals last season so the players had to stand in the bar so your revelations are no suprise. The person who told me this was the same person who told me the massive debt that had been ran up and it was all about to come out in the wash. Wonder if Sutcliffe will be at this meeting tomorrow to give his side of the story.
Slagging off previous owners is not going to solve anything and lets face it he was the best thing since sliced bread for many when he saved the club and we never had a scoreline like this when he was at the helm. All history apart and back to where we are today, Mr Green nevermind your side kick coming out to give an apology; all those that are associated and follow the club need a bit more than an apology; so come on and tell us what your long term plans are if you have any; if you don't soon and it carries on then fans will walk and their money with them too
Words fail me.

You get at me for having a go at one of the men who put the club in this position and you with the same breath slate the man who has taken on the reigns in order to try sort the mess out, weeks into his ownership.

You keep knocking Mr Green, see how that works out. Someone who has inherited a right mess and because he hasn't put it right in a month against squads who pay 3 and 4 times the wages of the Bulls your having a go. Have a word with yourself.
[quote][p][bold]haterugbysometimes[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Papa Smurfs Wig[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: To turn the Bulls fortunes round as quickly as many on here would like would probably require an initial investment in the region of £2m. That isn't going to happen. What Mr Green appears to be looking at is the long haul, relegation to the Championship and rebuilding from there with a manageable wage bill, and more reliance on the youth structure. Then when the Bulls have found their feet promotion back to the Super League and a steady improvement year on year. Many won't like to hear this but thats the way it looks to be as no one with £2m+ to plough into the club is availible.[/p][/quote]I got a bit of inside info last night from there. It seems Marc Greens wife is the one running the show at Odsal so maybe they should be asking her. Also my source says that OK is mad about himself self appreciates all him. Some people up there found some printed canvases of himself as he loved them on the wall. It seems they smashed them to bits. Also that OK demanded a female member of staff get him a bag of crisps and then a plate but for her not to touch the front of it. It seems he has picked up on his hygiene since the unclean premises of the restaurant he names after himself. I'd better not elaborate on what goes on in one if his hotels as that should be a police matter. I know its off subject but l wasn't happy about the stories l heard.[/p][/quote]Well the creditors meeting with OK is tomorrow, hopefully the T&A will send someone down to see what he has to say for himself. He might also confirm about the Council loan he owes and when he is intending to repay it. I hear that Khan and his mates took over the players warmdown room where they had their post match meals last season so the players had to stand in the bar so your revelations are no suprise. The person who told me this was the same person who told me the massive debt that had been ran up and it was all about to come out in the wash. Wonder if Sutcliffe will be at this meeting tomorrow to give his side of the story.[/p][/quote]Slagging off previous owners is not going to solve anything and lets face it he was the best thing since sliced bread for many when he saved the club and we never had a scoreline like this when he was at the helm. All history apart and back to where we are today, Mr Green nevermind your side kick coming out to give an apology; all those that are associated and follow the club need a bit more than an apology; so come on and tell us what your long term plans are if you have any; if you don't soon and it carries on then fans will walk and their money with them too[/p][/quote]Words fail me. You get at me for having a go at one of the men who put the club in this position and you with the same breath slate the man who has taken on the reigns in order to try sort the mess out, weeks into his ownership. You keep knocking Mr Green, see how that works out. Someone who has inherited a right mess and because he hasn't put it right in a month against squads who pay 3 and 4 times the wages of the Bulls your having a go. Have a word with yourself. Thee Voice of Reason
  • Score: 1

4:32pm Tue 22 Apr 14

haterugbysometimes says...

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
haterugbysometimes wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
Papa Smurfs Wig wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote: To turn the Bulls fortunes round as quickly as many on here would like would probably require an initial investment in the region of £2m. That isn't going to happen. What Mr Green appears to be looking at is the long haul, relegation to the Championship and rebuilding from there with a manageable wage bill, and more reliance on the youth structure. Then when the Bulls have found their feet promotion back to the Super League and a steady improvement year on year. Many won't like to hear this but thats the way it looks to be as no one with £2m+ to plough into the club is availible.
I got a bit of inside info last night from there. It seems Marc Greens wife is the one running the show at Odsal so maybe they should be asking her. Also my source says that OK is mad about himself self appreciates all him. Some people up there found some printed canvases of himself as he loved them on the wall. It seems they smashed them to bits. Also that OK demanded a female member of staff get him a bag of crisps and then a plate but for her not to touch the front of it. It seems he has picked up on his hygiene since the unclean premises of the restaurant he names after himself. I'd better not elaborate on what goes on in one if his hotels as that should be a police matter. I know its off subject but l wasn't happy about the stories l heard.
Well the creditors meeting with OK is tomorrow, hopefully the T&A will send someone down to see what he has to say for himself. He might also confirm about the Council loan he owes and when he is intending to repay it. I hear that Khan and his mates took over the players warmdown room where they had their post match meals last season so the players had to stand in the bar so your revelations are no suprise. The person who told me this was the same person who told me the massive debt that had been ran up and it was all about to come out in the wash. Wonder if Sutcliffe will be at this meeting tomorrow to give his side of the story.
Slagging off previous owners is not going to solve anything and lets face it he was the best thing since sliced bread for many when he saved the club and we never had a scoreline like this when he was at the helm. All history apart and back to where we are today, Mr Green nevermind your side kick coming out to give an apology; all those that are associated and follow the club need a bit more than an apology; so come on and tell us what your long term plans are if you have any; if you don't soon and it carries on then fans will walk and their money with them too
Words fail me. You get at me for having a go at one of the men who put the club in this position and you with the same breath slate the man who has taken on the reigns in order to try sort the mess out, weeks into his ownership. You keep knocking Mr Green, see how that works out. Someone who has inherited a right mess and because he hasn't put it right in a month against squads who pay 3 and 4 times the wages of the Bulls your having a go. Have a word with yourself.
I think you will find it was more than OK as a past owner that got the club into the position it is in now and as for having a go at Green, if you read what I have put you will see that I said it should be him coming out to the public and fans to say how he intends to move the club forward and not one of his side kicks, any responsible owner would and I am not on my own in people wanting to know what his intentions are
[quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]haterugbysometimes[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Papa Smurfs Wig[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: To turn the Bulls fortunes round as quickly as many on here would like would probably require an initial investment in the region of £2m. That isn't going to happen. What Mr Green appears to be looking at is the long haul, relegation to the Championship and rebuilding from there with a manageable wage bill, and more reliance on the youth structure. Then when the Bulls have found their feet promotion back to the Super League and a steady improvement year on year. Many won't like to hear this but thats the way it looks to be as no one with £2m+ to plough into the club is availible.[/p][/quote]I got a bit of inside info last night from there. It seems Marc Greens wife is the one running the show at Odsal so maybe they should be asking her. Also my source says that OK is mad about himself self appreciates all him. Some people up there found some printed canvases of himself as he loved them on the wall. It seems they smashed them to bits. Also that OK demanded a female member of staff get him a bag of crisps and then a plate but for her not to touch the front of it. It seems he has picked up on his hygiene since the unclean premises of the restaurant he names after himself. I'd better not elaborate on what goes on in one if his hotels as that should be a police matter. I know its off subject but l wasn't happy about the stories l heard.[/p][/quote]Well the creditors meeting with OK is tomorrow, hopefully the T&A will send someone down to see what he has to say for himself. He might also confirm about the Council loan he owes and when he is intending to repay it. I hear that Khan and his mates took over the players warmdown room where they had their post match meals last season so the players had to stand in the bar so your revelations are no suprise. The person who told me this was the same person who told me the massive debt that had been ran up and it was all about to come out in the wash. Wonder if Sutcliffe will be at this meeting tomorrow to give his side of the story.[/p][/quote]Slagging off previous owners is not going to solve anything and lets face it he was the best thing since sliced bread for many when he saved the club and we never had a scoreline like this when he was at the helm. All history apart and back to where we are today, Mr Green nevermind your side kick coming out to give an apology; all those that are associated and follow the club need a bit more than an apology; so come on and tell us what your long term plans are if you have any; if you don't soon and it carries on then fans will walk and their money with them too[/p][/quote]Words fail me. You get at me for having a go at one of the men who put the club in this position and you with the same breath slate the man who has taken on the reigns in order to try sort the mess out, weeks into his ownership. You keep knocking Mr Green, see how that works out. Someone who has inherited a right mess and because he hasn't put it right in a month against squads who pay 3 and 4 times the wages of the Bulls your having a go. Have a word with yourself.[/p][/quote]I think you will find it was more than OK as a past owner that got the club into the position it is in now and as for having a go at Green, if you read what I have put you will see that I said it should be him coming out to the public and fans to say how he intends to move the club forward and not one of his side kicks, any responsible owner would and I am not on my own in people wanting to know what his intentions are haterugbysometimes
  • Score: 0

4:42pm Tue 22 Apr 14

Thee Voice of Reason says...

haterugbysometimes wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
haterugbysometimes wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
Papa Smurfs Wig wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote: To turn the Bulls fortunes round as quickly as many on here would like would probably require an initial investment in the region of £2m. That isn't going to happen. What Mr Green appears to be looking at is the long haul, relegation to the Championship and rebuilding from there with a manageable wage bill, and more reliance on the youth structure. Then when the Bulls have found their feet promotion back to the Super League and a steady improvement year on year. Many won't like to hear this but thats the way it looks to be as no one with £2m+ to plough into the club is availible.
I got a bit of inside info last night from there. It seems Marc Greens wife is the one running the show at Odsal so maybe they should be asking her. Also my source says that OK is mad about himself self appreciates all him. Some people up there found some printed canvases of himself as he loved them on the wall. It seems they smashed them to bits. Also that OK demanded a female member of staff get him a bag of crisps and then a plate but for her not to touch the front of it. It seems he has picked up on his hygiene since the unclean premises of the restaurant he names after himself. I'd better not elaborate on what goes on in one if his hotels as that should be a police matter. I know its off subject but l wasn't happy about the stories l heard.
Well the creditors meeting with OK is tomorrow, hopefully the T&A will send someone down to see what he has to say for himself. He might also confirm about the Council loan he owes and when he is intending to repay it. I hear that Khan and his mates took over the players warmdown room where they had their post match meals last season so the players had to stand in the bar so your revelations are no suprise. The person who told me this was the same person who told me the massive debt that had been ran up and it was all about to come out in the wash. Wonder if Sutcliffe will be at this meeting tomorrow to give his side of the story.
Slagging off previous owners is not going to solve anything and lets face it he was the best thing since sliced bread for many when he saved the club and we never had a scoreline like this when he was at the helm. All history apart and back to where we are today, Mr Green nevermind your side kick coming out to give an apology; all those that are associated and follow the club need a bit more than an apology; so come on and tell us what your long term plans are if you have any; if you don't soon and it carries on then fans will walk and their money with them too
Words fail me. You get at me for having a go at one of the men who put the club in this position and you with the same breath slate the man who has taken on the reigns in order to try sort the mess out, weeks into his ownership. You keep knocking Mr Green, see how that works out. Someone who has inherited a right mess and because he hasn't put it right in a month against squads who pay 3 and 4 times the wages of the Bulls your having a go. Have a word with yourself.
I think you will find it was more than OK as a past owner that got the club into the position it is in now and as for having a go at Green, if you read what I have put you will see that I said it should be him coming out to the public and fans to say how he intends to move the club forward and not one of his side kicks, any responsible owner would and I am not on my own in people wanting to know what his intentions are
Khan came out and promised the play-offs, £6m into Odsal to make it the wembley of the north and weekly events at Odsal over the course of the year.

Would you rather Green come out with rubbish like this and sell a lie and tow the supports along who lap it up dreaming of a day out at Old Trafford?

To many times we have been sold false promises, Green hasn't made any but you'd prefer it if he did.

Let him assess the carnage he has recieved first, twice in admin in two years and zero goodwill left in a relegation season.

Khan had no threat of relegation but decided to chase glory, sign players he couldn't afford and left what we have now.

People are already turning on Green when he hasn't even been in charge for a month.
[quote][p][bold]haterugbysometimes[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]haterugbysometimes[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Papa Smurfs Wig[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: To turn the Bulls fortunes round as quickly as many on here would like would probably require an initial investment in the region of £2m. That isn't going to happen. What Mr Green appears to be looking at is the long haul, relegation to the Championship and rebuilding from there with a manageable wage bill, and more reliance on the youth structure. Then when the Bulls have found their feet promotion back to the Super League and a steady improvement year on year. Many won't like to hear this but thats the way it looks to be as no one with £2m+ to plough into the club is availible.[/p][/quote]I got a bit of inside info last night from there. It seems Marc Greens wife is the one running the show at Odsal so maybe they should be asking her. Also my source says that OK is mad about himself self appreciates all him. Some people up there found some printed canvases of himself as he loved them on the wall. It seems they smashed them to bits. Also that OK demanded a female member of staff get him a bag of crisps and then a plate but for her not to touch the front of it. It seems he has picked up on his hygiene since the unclean premises of the restaurant he names after himself. I'd better not elaborate on what goes on in one if his hotels as that should be a police matter. I know its off subject but l wasn't happy about the stories l heard.[/p][/quote]Well the creditors meeting with OK is tomorrow, hopefully the T&A will send someone down to see what he has to say for himself. He might also confirm about the Council loan he owes and when he is intending to repay it. I hear that Khan and his mates took over the players warmdown room where they had their post match meals last season so the players had to stand in the bar so your revelations are no suprise. The person who told me this was the same person who told me the massive debt that had been ran up and it was all about to come out in the wash. Wonder if Sutcliffe will be at this meeting tomorrow to give his side of the story.[/p][/quote]Slagging off previous owners is not going to solve anything and lets face it he was the best thing since sliced bread for many when he saved the club and we never had a scoreline like this when he was at the helm. All history apart and back to where we are today, Mr Green nevermind your side kick coming out to give an apology; all those that are associated and follow the club need a bit more than an apology; so come on and tell us what your long term plans are if you have any; if you don't soon and it carries on then fans will walk and their money with them too[/p][/quote]Words fail me. You get at me for having a go at one of the men who put the club in this position and you with the same breath slate the man who has taken on the reigns in order to try sort the mess out, weeks into his ownership. You keep knocking Mr Green, see how that works out. Someone who has inherited a right mess and because he hasn't put it right in a month against squads who pay 3 and 4 times the wages of the Bulls your having a go. Have a word with yourself.[/p][/quote]I think you will find it was more than OK as a past owner that got the club into the position it is in now and as for having a go at Green, if you read what I have put you will see that I said it should be him coming out to the public and fans to say how he intends to move the club forward and not one of his side kicks, any responsible owner would and I am not on my own in people wanting to know what his intentions are[/p][/quote]Khan came out and promised the play-offs, £6m into Odsal to make it the wembley of the north and weekly events at Odsal over the course of the year. Would you rather Green come out with rubbish like this and sell a lie and tow the supports along who lap it up dreaming of a day out at Old Trafford? To many times we have been sold false promises, Green hasn't made any but you'd prefer it if he did. Let him assess the carnage he has recieved first, twice in admin in two years and zero goodwill left in a relegation season. Khan had no threat of relegation but decided to chase glory, sign players he couldn't afford and left what we have now. People are already turning on Green when he hasn't even been in charge for a month. Thee Voice of Reason
  • Score: 1

5:56pm Tue 22 Apr 14

Leagueman says...

It's all very well going on about past administration and management but Green knew what the score was. It seems he is looking to get his moneys worth out of the club first before spending any more. We can all appreciate his desire to do that as it is a lot of money but to bid for the club with that as his only motive is wrong for everyone else as his best interests are put before the club's.
We are never going to survive this position, let's hope for a Phoenix rising from the ashes, it is going to be a long season and the next few years will hurt but I really can't see any other scenario. Most of the better players will leave and recruitment for a promotion push will be the order of the day.
Bradford Bulls will no longer be an attractive brand name but let's hope the future brings better fortune.
Sorry to be so negative, but the truth hurts.
It's all very well going on about past administration and management but Green knew what the score was. It seems he is looking to get his moneys worth out of the club first before spending any more. We can all appreciate his desire to do that as it is a lot of money but to bid for the club with that as his only motive is wrong for everyone else as his best interests are put before the club's. We are never going to survive this position, let's hope for a Phoenix rising from the ashes, it is going to be a long season and the next few years will hurt but I really can't see any other scenario. Most of the better players will leave and recruitment for a promotion push will be the order of the day. Bradford Bulls will no longer be an attractive brand name but let's hope the future brings better fortune. Sorry to be so negative, but the truth hurts. Leagueman
  • Score: 3

6:11pm Tue 22 Apr 14

Bullcity says...

Forget history what is done is done . The legacy of the leaving of Brian Noble has now finally left us at rockbottom.
Action plan sould be as follows:-
1. New coach
2. New players
3.Stabilise business
4.Accept possible relegation
5.Build for long term teenager player development
6.Succesion plan for both coaching and business staff
7.Ensure players are replaced when they are fnished as far sthe coaching staff are concerned
Hopefully some one at Bradford can put all this together and save our beloved club.
Forget history what is done is done . The legacy of the leaving of Brian Noble has now finally left us at rockbottom. Action plan sould be as follows:- 1. New coach 2. New players 3.Stabilise business 4.Accept possible relegation 5.Build for long term teenager player development 6.Succesion plan for both coaching and business staff 7.Ensure players are replaced when they are fnished as far sthe coaching staff are concerned Hopefully some one at Bradford can put all this together and save our beloved club. Bullcity
  • Score: 2

11:13pm Tue 22 Apr 14

BierleyBoy says...

Cummins isn't to blame for players leaving, for the injury list, or the poor conditioning & rehab facilities or for players not taking pride in the shirt.
He's simply the easy target to aim at. He shouldn't be sacked.
Relegation is an absolute certainty, so the club now needs to start gearing towards a temporary drop down.

This is where Green comes in. He has to speculate next season to accumulate.

When both Castleford & Salford were relegated, they stayed full time and bounced right back.

Though there is a salary cap, there is also a parachute payment.

Keep all the infrastructure in place, keep the key players full time while bringing through some younger talent, whilst looking at bigger signings for 2016 to ensure a top 8 spot.

Accept & plan for what is going to hat's the only way forward.ppen, i
Cummins isn't to blame for players leaving, for the injury list, or the poor conditioning & rehab facilities or for players not taking pride in the shirt. He's simply the easy target to aim at. He shouldn't be sacked. Relegation is an absolute certainty, so the club now needs to start gearing towards a temporary drop down. This is where Green comes in. He has to speculate next season to accumulate. When both Castleford & Salford were relegated, they stayed full time and bounced right back. Though there is a salary cap, there is also a parachute payment. Keep all the infrastructure in place, keep the key players full time while bringing through some younger talent, whilst looking at bigger signings for 2016 to ensure a top 8 spot. Accept & plan for what is going to hat's the only way forward.ppen, i BierleyBoy
  • Score: -2

2:38am Wed 23 Apr 14

Arhmen Noleg says...

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
haterugbysometimes wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
Papa Smurfs Wig wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote: To turn the Bulls fortunes round as quickly as many on here would like would probably require an initial investment in the region of £2m. That isn't going to happen. What Mr Green appears to be looking at is the long haul, relegation to the Championship and rebuilding from there with a manageable wage bill, and more reliance on the youth structure. Then when the Bulls have found their feet promotion back to the Super League and a steady improvement year on year. Many won't like to hear this but thats the way it looks to be as no one with £2m+ to plough into the club is availible.
I got a bit of inside info last night from there. It seems Marc Greens wife is the one running the show at Odsal so maybe they should be asking her. Also my source says that OK is mad about himself self appreciates all him. Some people up there found some printed canvases of himself as he loved them on the wall. It seems they smashed them to bits. Also that OK demanded a female member of staff get him a bag of crisps and then a plate but for her not to touch the front of it. It seems he has picked up on his hygiene since the unclean premises of the restaurant he names after himself. I'd better not elaborate on what goes on in one if his hotels as that should be a police matter. I know its off subject but l wasn't happy about the stories l heard.
Well the creditors meeting with OK is tomorrow, hopefully the T&A will send someone down to see what he has to say for himself. He might also confirm about the Council loan he owes and when he is intending to repay it. I hear that Khan and his mates took over the players warmdown room where they had their post match meals last season so the players had to stand in the bar so your revelations are no suprise. The person who told me this was the same person who told me the massive debt that had been ran up and it was all about to come out in the wash. Wonder if Sutcliffe will be at this meeting tomorrow to give his side of the story.
Slagging off previous owners is not going to solve anything and lets face it he was the best thing since sliced bread for many when he saved the club and we never had a scoreline like this when he was at the helm. All history apart and back to where we are today, Mr Green nevermind your side kick coming out to give an apology; all those that are associated and follow the club need a bit more than an apology; so come on and tell us what your long term plans are if you have any; if you don't soon and it carries on then fans will walk and their money with them too
Words fail me.

You get at me for having a go at one of the men who put the club in this position and you with the same breath slate the man who has taken on the reigns in order to try sort the mess out, weeks into his ownership.

You keep knocking Mr Green, see how that works out. Someone who has inherited a right mess and because he hasn't put it right in a month against squads who pay 3 and 4 times the wages of the Bulls your having a go. Have a word with yourself.
Hang on.
They cannot be paying three or four times the wages of the Bulls.
The Bulls are paying to salary cap.
Some on over £130k.
Many out agreed.Injured (as usual)
But the squad are paid as much as the Wigan squad.
Unless someones fiddling! Again!!
[quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]haterugbysometimes[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Papa Smurfs Wig[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: To turn the Bulls fortunes round as quickly as many on here would like would probably require an initial investment in the region of £2m. That isn't going to happen. What Mr Green appears to be looking at is the long haul, relegation to the Championship and rebuilding from there with a manageable wage bill, and more reliance on the youth structure. Then when the Bulls have found their feet promotion back to the Super League and a steady improvement year on year. Many won't like to hear this but thats the way it looks to be as no one with £2m+ to plough into the club is availible.[/p][/quote]I got a bit of inside info last night from there. It seems Marc Greens wife is the one running the show at Odsal so maybe they should be asking her. Also my source says that OK is mad about himself self appreciates all him. Some people up there found some printed canvases of himself as he loved them on the wall. It seems they smashed them to bits. Also that OK demanded a female member of staff get him a bag of crisps and then a plate but for her not to touch the front of it. It seems he has picked up on his hygiene since the unclean premises of the restaurant he names after himself. I'd better not elaborate on what goes on in one if his hotels as that should be a police matter. I know its off subject but l wasn't happy about the stories l heard.[/p][/quote]Well the creditors meeting with OK is tomorrow, hopefully the T&A will send someone down to see what he has to say for himself. He might also confirm about the Council loan he owes and when he is intending to repay it. I hear that Khan and his mates took over the players warmdown room where they had their post match meals last season so the players had to stand in the bar so your revelations are no suprise. The person who told me this was the same person who told me the massive debt that had been ran up and it was all about to come out in the wash. Wonder if Sutcliffe will be at this meeting tomorrow to give his side of the story.[/p][/quote]Slagging off previous owners is not going to solve anything and lets face it he was the best thing since sliced bread for many when he saved the club and we never had a scoreline like this when he was at the helm. All history apart and back to where we are today, Mr Green nevermind your side kick coming out to give an apology; all those that are associated and follow the club need a bit more than an apology; so come on and tell us what your long term plans are if you have any; if you don't soon and it carries on then fans will walk and their money with them too[/p][/quote]Words fail me. You get at me for having a go at one of the men who put the club in this position and you with the same breath slate the man who has taken on the reigns in order to try sort the mess out, weeks into his ownership. You keep knocking Mr Green, see how that works out. Someone who has inherited a right mess and because he hasn't put it right in a month against squads who pay 3 and 4 times the wages of the Bulls your having a go. Have a word with yourself.[/p][/quote]Hang on. They cannot be paying three or four times the wages of the Bulls. The Bulls are paying to salary cap. Some on over £130k. Many out agreed.Injured (as usual) But the squad are paid as much as the Wigan squad. Unless someones fiddling! Again!! Arhmen Noleg
  • Score: 2

7:24am Wed 23 Apr 14

bradfordbronco says...

Odsal53 wrote:
In answer to the follow on of coaches from Brian Smith;s time all being assistants to the last coach. Liverpool did well for a number of years promoting from the boot room, the difference being they had a team in those days. eventually that ran out on them as the team got old and poor replacements coming in.. we ran out of money which ment inferior players coming in, due to no big backer for us. Why in all the years Bradford has been playing have we not been able to attract a chairperson with deep pockets.
Final comment Peter Fox had success with trophys with lesser players. What he had motvational skills in abundance. He had players playing well above their skill base. Gary Hale Steve Ferriss are two that spring to mind.
The difference is Liverpool still maintained a high standard. The bulls have been getting worse since 2003. Don't let the the grand final win in 2005 cloud the issue. It was the players who managed the win from 5th place NOT great coaching. We need a Nathan Brown, Trent Robinson, Michael McGuire type of coach to turn around the whole set up
[quote][p][bold]Odsal53[/bold] wrote: In answer to the follow on of coaches from Brian Smith;s time all being assistants to the last coach. Liverpool did well for a number of years promoting from the boot room, the difference being they had a team in those days. eventually that ran out on them as the team got old and poor replacements coming in.. we ran out of money which ment inferior players coming in, due to no big backer for us. Why in all the years Bradford has been playing have we not been able to attract a chairperson with deep pockets. Final comment Peter Fox had success with trophys with lesser players. What he had motvational skills in abundance. He had players playing well above their skill base. Gary Hale Steve Ferriss are two that spring to mind.[/p][/quote]The difference is Liverpool still maintained a high standard. The bulls have been getting worse since 2003. Don't let the the grand final win in 2005 cloud the issue. It was the players who managed the win from 5th place NOT great coaching. We need a Nathan Brown, Trent Robinson, Michael McGuire type of coach to turn around the whole set up bradfordbronco
  • Score: 1

7:50am Wed 23 Apr 14

1964gc says...

Seems to me plan a~y is hope for points back,plan z if we fail is plan for relegation
Seems to me plan a~y is hope for points back,plan z if we fail is plan for relegation 1964gc
  • Score: 1

1:55pm Wed 23 Apr 14

basil fawlty says...

How on earth did the T&A give all the players a rating of 6 for this record defeat? Absolutely ridiculous!
How on earth did the T&A give all the players a rating of 6 for this record defeat? Absolutely ridiculous! basil fawlty
  • Score: 0

8:51pm Wed 23 Apr 14

BierleyBoy says...

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
haterugbysometimes wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
haterugbysometimes wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
Papa Smurfs Wig wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote: To turn the Bulls fortunes round as quickly as many on here would like would probably require an initial investment in the region of £2m. That isn't going to happen. What Mr Green appears to be looking at is the long haul, relegation to the Championship and rebuilding from there with a manageable wage bill, and more reliance on the youth structure. Then when the Bulls have found their feet promotion back to the Super League and a steady improvement year on year. Many won't like to hear this but thats the way it looks to be as no one with £2m+ to plough into the club is availible.
I got a bit of inside info last night from there. It seems Marc Greens wife is the one running the show at Odsal so maybe they should be asking her. Also my source says that OK is mad about himself self appreciates all him. Some people up there found some printed canvases of himself as he loved them on the wall. It seems they smashed them to bits. Also that OK demanded a female member of staff get him a bag of crisps and then a plate but for her not to touch the front of it. It seems he has picked up on his hygiene since the unclean premises of the restaurant he names after himself. I'd better not elaborate on what goes on in one if his hotels as that should be a police matter. I know its off subject but l wasn't happy about the stories l heard.
Well the creditors meeting with OK is tomorrow, hopefully the T&A will send someone down to see what he has to say for himself. He might also confirm about the Council loan he owes and when he is intending to repay it. I hear that Khan and his mates took over the players warmdown room where they had their post match meals last season so the players had to stand in the bar so your revelations are no suprise. The person who told me this was the same person who told me the massive debt that had been ran up and it was all about to come out in the wash. Wonder if Sutcliffe will be at this meeting tomorrow to give his side of the story.
Slagging off previous owners is not going to solve anything and lets face it he was the best thing since sliced bread for many when he saved the club and we never had a scoreline like this when he was at the helm. All history apart and back to where we are today, Mr Green nevermind your side kick coming out to give an apology; all those that are associated and follow the club need a bit more than an apology; so come on and tell us what your long term plans are if you have any; if you don't soon and it carries on then fans will walk and their money with them too
Words fail me. You get at me for having a go at one of the men who put the club in this position and you with the same breath slate the man who has taken on the reigns in order to try sort the mess out, weeks into his ownership. You keep knocking Mr Green, see how that works out. Someone who has inherited a right mess and because he hasn't put it right in a month against squads who pay 3 and 4 times the wages of the Bulls your having a go. Have a word with yourself.
I think you will find it was more than OK as a past owner that got the club into the position it is in now and as for having a go at Green, if you read what I have put you will see that I said it should be him coming out to the public and fans to say how he intends to move the club forward and not one of his side kicks, any responsible owner would and I am not on my own in people wanting to know what his intentions are
Khan came out and promised the play-offs, £6m into Odsal to make it the wembley of the north and weekly events at Odsal over the course of the year.

Would you rather Green come out with rubbish like this and sell a lie and tow the supports along who lap it up dreaming of a day out at Old Trafford?

To many times we have been sold false promises, Green hasn't made any but you'd prefer it if he did.

Let him assess the carnage he has recieved first, twice in admin in two years and zero goodwill left in a relegation season.

Khan had no threat of relegation but decided to chase glory, sign players he couldn't afford and left what we have now.

People are already turning on Green when he hasn't even been in charge for a month.
It turns hat not only did Khan get £200k of our money, which he defaulted on, but he failed to make sure business rates were paid.

The council will have to write off many thousands of pounds. They lost £40k in unpaid rates the first time, but still loaned money.

David Green was at Odsal for the new shop opening to meet with Marc Grenn.
[quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]haterugbysometimes[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]haterugbysometimes[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Papa Smurfs Wig[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: To turn the Bulls fortunes round as quickly as many on here would like would probably require an initial investment in the region of £2m. That isn't going to happen. What Mr Green appears to be looking at is the long haul, relegation to the Championship and rebuilding from there with a manageable wage bill, and more reliance on the youth structure. Then when the Bulls have found their feet promotion back to the Super League and a steady improvement year on year. Many won't like to hear this but thats the way it looks to be as no one with £2m+ to plough into the club is availible.[/p][/quote]I got a bit of inside info last night from there. It seems Marc Greens wife is the one running the show at Odsal so maybe they should be asking her. Also my source says that OK is mad about himself self appreciates all him. Some people up there found some printed canvases of himself as he loved them on the wall. It seems they smashed them to bits. Also that OK demanded a female member of staff get him a bag of crisps and then a plate but for her not to touch the front of it. It seems he has picked up on his hygiene since the unclean premises of the restaurant he names after himself. I'd better not elaborate on what goes on in one if his hotels as that should be a police matter. I know its off subject but l wasn't happy about the stories l heard.[/p][/quote]Well the creditors meeting with OK is tomorrow, hopefully the T&A will send someone down to see what he has to say for himself. He might also confirm about the Council loan he owes and when he is intending to repay it. I hear that Khan and his mates took over the players warmdown room where they had their post match meals last season so the players had to stand in the bar so your revelations are no suprise. The person who told me this was the same person who told me the massive debt that had been ran up and it was all about to come out in the wash. Wonder if Sutcliffe will be at this meeting tomorrow to give his side of the story.[/p][/quote]Slagging off previous owners is not going to solve anything and lets face it he was the best thing since sliced bread for many when he saved the club and we never had a scoreline like this when he was at the helm. All history apart and back to where we are today, Mr Green nevermind your side kick coming out to give an apology; all those that are associated and follow the club need a bit more than an apology; so come on and tell us what your long term plans are if you have any; if you don't soon and it carries on then fans will walk and their money with them too[/p][/quote]Words fail me. You get at me for having a go at one of the men who put the club in this position and you with the same breath slate the man who has taken on the reigns in order to try sort the mess out, weeks into his ownership. You keep knocking Mr Green, see how that works out. Someone who has inherited a right mess and because he hasn't put it right in a month against squads who pay 3 and 4 times the wages of the Bulls your having a go. Have a word with yourself.[/p][/quote]I think you will find it was more than OK as a past owner that got the club into the position it is in now and as for having a go at Green, if you read what I have put you will see that I said it should be him coming out to the public and fans to say how he intends to move the club forward and not one of his side kicks, any responsible owner would and I am not on my own in people wanting to know what his intentions are[/p][/quote]Khan came out and promised the play-offs, £6m into Odsal to make it the wembley of the north and weekly events at Odsal over the course of the year. Would you rather Green come out with rubbish like this and sell a lie and tow the supports along who lap it up dreaming of a day out at Old Trafford? To many times we have been sold false promises, Green hasn't made any but you'd prefer it if he did. Let him assess the carnage he has recieved first, twice in admin in two years and zero goodwill left in a relegation season. Khan had no threat of relegation but decided to chase glory, sign players he couldn't afford and left what we have now. People are already turning on Green when he hasn't even been in charge for a month.[/p][/quote]It turns hat not only did Khan get £200k of our money, which he defaulted on, but he failed to make sure business rates were paid. The council will have to write off many thousands of pounds. They lost £40k in unpaid rates the first time, but still loaned money. David Green was at Odsal for the new shop opening to meet with Marc Grenn. BierleyBoy
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