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Hanson benefits from addition of McCammon as Taylor’s men break home hoodoo


City 1, Darlington 0

Mark McCammon was oblivious to the significance of the achievement.

As far as he was concerned, the on-loan striker had just done his bit to help pocket three points against the worst team in the division.

McCammon knew nothing of how much a win at Valley Parade meant to City.

“I’m really surprised at that,” admitted the Gillingham targetman when informed of the four-month home hoodoo. “I didn’t realise they’d had a run like that.

“But maybe that’s a good sign that I didn’t know. From what I’ve seen, there’s a good togetherness in the camp and everyone’s a bit more confident now.”

So maybe, as Peter Taylor has been stressing, winning at home isn’t such a big deal. McCammon’s ignorance to the statistics showed that City’s awful run of form in front of their own fans was not a major motivational tool of the manager’s in the build-up.

The feelgood factor engendered by the eye-catching victory at Rochdale had overcome any fears of struggling to put their own house in order again.

All right, there were some nervy moments when we all wanted to look away – the split-second when the ball bounced up against Matt Clarke’s hand in the penalty area being one of them.

But referee Karl Evans, a stickler for fussiness with most other decisions, gave nothing. That luck which Stuart McCall had wished for with ever-increasing desperation was there for all to see – all, except, Mr Evans and his assistants.

City did enough to win – and collect their second double of the season – though nobody was hanging out the celebration bunting. But given the previous eight Valley Parade results, a win’s a win however ordinary.

And Taylor’s decision to field a large-and-large front pair by pitting McCammon alongside James Hanson looked a good one.

Most expected McCammon’s arrival at Apperley Bridge the day before would give Hanson the breather he has been needing in recent weeks.

Instead the new guy, admittedly rusty after three months without a start, shared the load with City’s top scorer, who looked a lot brighter for it. For once, not everything in the air had to go through Hanson.

One training session and an hour’s game-play is hardly the basis of a long-standing relationship. But McCammon, who had also denied any knowledge of Rotherham’s reported interest, can see positive early signs ahead of the rush of matches this month.

He said: “I wasn’t aware of how good Hanson was in the air. He’s very strong and can hold the ball up well.

“No defender will like to play against us with our physical presence and hopefully we’ll work on getting a bit more understanding as the games go on.”

Taylor had praised Hanson’s refusal to let his head drop when things go wrong. In the last two games, the big man has fluffed superb scoring chances – but still bounced back to have an assist in Gareth Evans’ cracking result-sealer at Spotland.

Again on Saturday, Hanson rode early adversity to display a mental toughness that is admirable for someone who has been in the professional game for less than a season.

McCammon had already gone close with two ricochets as City made a fast start.

Richie Byrne slipped over trying to deal with a cross which took the striker by surprise in front of goal. Then he almost managed to divert a ball inside the near post with his right knee.

As the visitors wobbled, Michael Flynn sent Hanson bursting clear after ten minutes. It was a three-on-three break and a goal was surely on the cards this time; instead his touch was far too heavy and Darlo frantically slammed the door back shut.

Others might have drifted out of play after such a setback but Hanson showed again that he is made of sterner stuff and set about creating and finishing the game’s decisive moment.

It was his well-guided pass that released Evans on the right wing – and his head that met the perfect cross and bulleted it beyond Shane Redmond.

A well-executed goal – even more so considering the heavy state of the pitch, which gets boggier week on week.

City still tried to play the ball around, with Flynn and Lee Bullock the fulcrum in midfield and Evans clearly relishing the freedom of his new role out wide.

The goal was not the only decent cross he whipped in during a first half which should have seen City home and hosed. Left back Robbie Threlfall, too, repeated the quality of set-piece delivery from his Rochdale debut and Clarke should have buried his free-kick just before the break.

Instead the scoreline remained close enough to keep Darlington interested and their own belief grew as City dropped off.

Matt Glennon denied Josh Gray and needed a couple of grabs at Gary Dempsey’s 25-yard volley, while the defence had to be on their guard to negotiate a couple of awkward crosses in the six-yard box.

On came Michael Boulding and Omar Daley as City finally wrestled back control. McCammon’s hour of hard toil finished with a fat lip from a whack by centre half Alan White.

“He looked like he’d taken a right-hander from Sonny Liston,” laughed Taylor afterwards, “but that’s showing my age there!”

City could have extended their advantage. Evans was denied by a double block – the second an outstanding save from Redmond – and Boulding twice missed chances, including a gilt-edged one in stoppage time.

But that first home win since the clocks went back had been secured. Now to start moving forward again and making up for lost time. Attendance: 11,532

Comments(38)

Helen Highwater says...
6:55am Mon 1 Mar 10

Rumour has it that Chris Brandon has left the club, having had his contract paid up.

spleen ventor says...
7:30am Mon 1 Mar 10

Decent 1st half, second half we started to fall into some old habits but eh, a welcome three points at home for the first time in a long time. While a 1-0 win against the bottom of the league might not seem much to write home about Darlington, although bottom of the league and doomed, were no worse than most of the other teams we've failed to beat over the past 4 months and you can see Peter Taylors influence starting to take effect. In the first half particularly you could see we were trying to move the ball a lot quicker instead of needing 3 or 4 touches to get it under control before passing. Still a fair way to go but at least we're moving in the right direction again.

flashdonut says...
7:59am Mon 1 Mar 10

Rumour has it the Bulls have already informed the RFL that they intend to start playing at Valley Parade. Mr Lawn is injecting 1million plus into the Bulls. Is he about to withdraw from City????

tyker says...
8:07am Mon 1 Mar 10

Helen Highwater wrote:
Rumour has it that Chris Brandon has left the club, having had his contract paid up.
I heard that one too: not really surprising as he was a waste of space from the beginning.

Just a thought now that we have 5/6 tall payers in the squad do we have anyone who can do long throw ins akin to Stoke.. I am sure it is a tactic worth employing if we can afford ball boys and a few towels.

I am surprised City are travelling so early as there has been a heavy overnight frost overnight following some heavy rain which had a big effect on the pitch at Aldershot.

spleen ventor says...
9:21am Mon 1 Mar 10

flashdonut wrote:
Rumour has it the Bulls have already informed the RFL that they intend to start playing at Valley Parade. Mr Lawn is injecting 1million plus into the Bulls. Is he about to withdraw from City????
Just a thought but who do the Bulls conduct their negotiations with concerning sharing VP, City or the owner Gordon Gibb?

fatbloke says...
10:18am Mon 1 Mar 10

I am guessing we rent the ground for 7 days a week and not jsut for match days, therefore anything Bulls pay will assist us in paying the expensive rent. Not great for the pitch though.
I was told City had offered Chris a reduced early settlement and he will take it.
They were not going to play him much more and trigger his 3rd year option neither would they play him when is apperance fee alone allows Taylor to get in some players to suit his ways.

tyker says...
10:36am Mon 1 Mar 10

so brandon had an option to extend his contract and he had an appearancve fee as well:little wonder he was moaning at SM to play him more; simply to get another contract and more cash but without putting in the right performances. tut tut and all this from a man who loved BCAFC !!!

BPA beckons and downward from that point onward.

peanut4 says...
11:07am Mon 1 Mar 10

First double of the season? Do the two victories at Torquay not count?

fatbloke says...
11:08am Mon 1 Mar 10

It was made official when he signed his 2yr contract it was with an option of a 3rd year and its currentley 5 or 6 games off the trigger. After our failed promotion attempts it was never going to be allowed to be triggered.
With regards to the appearance fee I dont know 100% but with most pro footballers these days some element of pay is on appearance, majority of Thorne's is so cant see him palying again and wouldnt be surprised if he retired before the season ends.
Taylor can probably do more with these appearance fee's.
Going back to Brandon, he came to the club at a bad time and for a number of reasons it hasnt worked. The 2 main reasons I believe it hasnt is Stuart and injury's. A more competent manager (and that is no dig as Stuart was a novice)would have got more from him.

Guiseley Gents says...
12:28pm Mon 1 Mar 10

Sorry fatbloke but the main reason why it didn't work out for Brandon was his own level of performance when he was on the pitch. End of.

A player of his experience and skill level should have contributed much more this season. He was in the first eleven for PT first game (what a great opportunity to impress) instead he was taken off early. Next match he wasn't in Peter Taylor's 18 man squad. PT not impressed at all with his contribution I take it.

tyker says...
12:29pm Mon 1 Mar 10

too chummy with SM although he and lawn had arguments as to who signed him.

Lawn says that he handed the signing of the contract which somehow, SM relates to as Lawn signing him.


I believe that Thorne will not be used again and, to my mind, there is no point him being on the payroll.

i am surprised that some of the fringe players have not been sent out on loan.

I am not certain that Taylor will sign any more players on loan but he will be going for different types of players next season.

Victor Clayton says...
1:10pm Mon 1 Mar 10

personally i think Chris Brandon is a good player. he was always looking for the ball and wanted to play, when others wanted to hoof. one of the worst things City have done over the last couple of seasons is to run away from the ball. this left the defence (eg Clarke) having to either bring it out or hit long. very dangerous and poor football. it was too wasy for the opposition and 99 times out of 100 led to the ball coming straight back. for me Brandon was the only one who dropped short for the easy pass. kind of like proper football. I for one will be sad if he has left. he is worth 10 Omar Daley's.

fatbloke says...
1:11pm Mon 1 Mar 10

Guisley, I aint saying all the reasons it hasnt worked for Chris are everone's except his, just gutted it hasnt worked whatever the reasons, but dont think it helped that when he got a run of 3 or 4 games it was always in a different position in different formations.
Tyker, I am guessing Thorne has a minimal basic and City will be bound to that till the end of the season not that Thorne will need the money.
As soon as he has had enough he will rertire or take an early settlement of his BASIC contract. It's only my opinion and aint saying this WILL happen.

Victor Clayton says...
1:17pm Mon 1 Mar 10

Its hard not to like Hanson. he really tries. however i did not think he was that good on Saturday. his control is poor and he is very slow. good luck to him - i hope I am wrong but i would be surprised if he made the grade. the new lad was much better

barneybd10 says...
1:34pm Mon 1 Mar 10

Victor Clayton wrote:
Its hard not to like Hanson. he really tries. however i did not think he was that good on Saturday. his control is poor and he is very slow. good luck to him - i hope I am wrong but i would be surprised if he made the grade. the new lad was much better
You need to go to specsavers....

fatbloke says...
1:38pm Mon 1 Mar 10

Victor Clayton, I respect your opinion and aint saying you are wrong.
However I do know there has already been serious enquiries in the last few months about James from League1/Championship clubs, but James has stated his intentions of finishing here what he signed, so at least 2 yrs.
I can see where you are coming from but james still has a lot to learn and managers these days like big battering rams, even though it isnt always pretty for us spectators.
For a 1st year pro I think he has made a bright start.

Waynus71 says...
2:49pm Mon 1 Mar 10

Victor Clayton wrote:
Its hard not to like Hanson. he really tries. however i did not think he was that good on Saturday. his control is poor and he is very slow. good luck to him - i hope I am wrong but i would be surprised if he made the grade. the new lad was much better
Doesn't rate Hanson BUT does rate Brandon (more than Daley at that). Are you trying to stir up a hornet's nest or are you actually being serious??????!!!!???
?

Hanson wins most headers and with the right coaching will improve. For starters, already under Taylor, we have seen him have his back to goal and nod the ball back to our runners, something that never happeend under McCall.

Whereas, Brandon, even though he didn't give the ball away much and did come short for it, what did you actually do? He usually passed it backwards again for the same defenders to have to pump it forward!

tyker says...
3:00pm Mon 1 Mar 10

Waynus71 wrote:
Victor Clayton wrote:
Its hard not to like Hanson. he really tries. however i did not think he was that good on Saturday. his control is poor and he is very slow. good luck to him - i hope I am wrong but i would be surprised if he made the grade. the new lad was much better
Doesn't rate Hanson BUT does rate Brandon (more than Daley at that). Are you trying to stir up a hornet's nest or are you actually being serious??????!!!!???

?

Hanson wins most headers and with the right coaching will improve. For starters, already under Taylor, we have seen him have his back to goal and nod the ball back to our runners, something that never happeend under McCall.

Whereas, Brandon, even though he didn't give the ball away much and did come short for it, what did you actually do? He usually passed it backwards again for the same defenders to have to pump it forward!
good call:Evans and hanson as well as OB will improve beyong all recognition with a proper manager

Dave2610 says...
5:26pm Mon 1 Mar 10

Victor Clayton.

Where were you watching the game Saturday? On Manningham lane with your back to the ground.
James was the best of the 2 up front he scored he laid a few off the Evans and others, he for me should have been named MOM and not Williams, Watch the game next time closely and you will see his work rate.
And by the way if ervery pass or header went to a City player he would be playing for Man Utd.
Ya main sponsor keep it going Jimbo
cracking goal Saturday.

Victor Clayton says...
6:16pm Mon 1 Mar 10

tyker wrote:
Waynus71 wrote:
Victor Clayton wrote: Its hard not to like Hanson. he really tries. however i did not think he was that good on Saturday. his control is poor and he is very slow. good luck to him - i hope I am wrong but i would be surprised if he made the grade. the new lad was much better
Doesn't rate Hanson BUT does rate Brandon (more than Daley at that). Are you trying to stir up a hornet's nest or are you actually being serious??????!!!!??? ? Hanson wins most headers and with the right coaching will improve. For starters, already under Taylor, we have seen him have his back to goal and nod the ball back to our runners, something that never happeend under McCall. Whereas, Brandon, even though he didn't give the ball away much and did come short for it, what did you actually do? He usually passed it backwards again for the same defenders to have to pump it forward!
good call:Evans and hanson as well as OB will improve beyong all recognition with a proper manager
waynus, i hope you are right about Hanson. I am sure PT will get the best out of him. we shall see.
your criticism of Brandon seems to be that he never loses the ball and passes backwards. this only supports the point about the team not making themselves available for an easy pass and that Brandon doesn't like to hoof it. there is a bloke who sits behind me in the sunwin who boos every time the ball is played backwards. is this you? do you realise that quality footballers do this some timeS?. I would have brandon before Daley because although Daley has more potential, IMO we need all 11 player trying to succeed. thought Evans was great in the first half but the worst offender for giving it away needlessly in the second.

Victor Clayton says...
6:22pm Mon 1 Mar 10

fatbloke wrote:
Victor Clayton, I respect your opinion and aint saying you are wrong. However I do know there has already been serious enquiries in the last few months about James from League1/Championship clubs, but James has stated his intentions of finishing here what he signed, so at least 2 yrs. I can see where you are coming from but james still has a lot to learn and managers these days like big battering rams, even though it isnt always pretty for us spectators. For a 1st year pro I think he has made a bright start.
fatbloke. thank you for telling me you disagree with my view point in such a reasonable manner

Victor Clayton says...
6:41pm Mon 1 Mar 10

Dave2610 wrote:
Victor Clayton. Where were you watching the game Saturday? On Manningham lane with your back to the ground. James was the best of the 2 up front he scored he laid a few off the Evans and others, he for me should have been named MOM and not Williams, Watch the game next time closely and you will see his work rate. And by the way if ervery pass or header went to a City player he would be playing for Man Utd. Ya main sponsor keep it going Jimbo cracking goal Saturday.
Yes - sunwin stand (facing the pitch) and i enjoyed the game.
i thought the defence deserved most of the praise in this one, and Williams was deserved MOM. Flynn was great in the first half, Bully in the second.
when i said "he really trys" i meant his work rate is really good. sorry if it was not clear.
I would love to have my opinion of JH changed, he seems a really genuine bloke, and with PT in charge who knows! don't want to be over critical but was i the only one who saw him put clean through and he ran it into touch. sorry i am being picky but for the moment i stick by what i have said. man U?

Dave2610 says...
7:47pm Mon 1 Mar 10

Players make mistakes as you know
On Tuesday at Rochdale he had a blinder (James) cos Taylor played 2 up front like wise on Saturday.
Evans has missed loads of 1 on 1 s this term but I have never slated him.
Having followed the big lad for the last 3 years all over the country on match days, he has got wot it takes to become a goal scorer whether it be at City or higher.
player support by me his main sponsor not slaagging any team member its about the squad as a whole.

dannbradfc says...
8:14pm Mon 1 Mar 10

Waynus71 wrote:
Victor Clayton wrote: Its hard not to like Hanson. he really tries. however i did not think he was that good on Saturday. his control is poor and he is very slow. good luck to him - i hope I am wrong but i would be surprised if he made the grade. the new lad was much better
Doesn't rate Hanson BUT does rate Brandon (more than Daley at that). Are you trying to stir up a hornet's nest or are you actually being serious??????!!!!??? ? Hanson wins most headers and with the right coaching will improve. For starters, already under Taylor, we have seen him have his back to goal and nod the ball back to our runners, something that never happeend under McCall. Whereas, Brandon, even though he didn't give the ball away much and did come short for it, what did you actually do? He usually passed it backwards again for the same defenders to have to pump it forward!
waynus correct on both players. hanson will continue to get better(although i expected that to happen regardless of the coach just think he needs the experience).

And Brandon i have said my piece for some time and my criticisms look to have been justified (well Taylor appears to agree anyway). The guy has been over-hyped and is over-rated.

A bposter higher up points to the fact Brandon has not had a settled place. this has been the case for much of his career and due to the fact that he is inconsistent otherwise he would have an established starting spot. he is a luxury player who can play if you are winnng three nil;) but he is an attacking player with a poor scoring record throughout his whole career (one goal in 9+ i believe) and thus a luxury no-one can afford (pun intended)

Farsley XI says...
8:41pm Mon 1 Mar 10

Did anyone else see Peter Taylor point to the bench while shouting at Daley? I sit near the dug out and after Daley did his run and cross he did the usual and disappeared out of the game, Taylor was screaming at him to get back he came back and looked across at the bench and Taylor shouted something else to him pointing to the bench? As for the other post Brandon is a fairly good player but, IMO he receives the ball and goes backwards too much and he tries all these fancy flicks and lays off which don’t work

valleyofshame says...
9:05pm Mon 1 Mar 10

Not here to defend and I am not sure how this will come across but PT had no choice in Brandon whether he wanted to keep him/play him or not, the decision was already made.
What ever people think of him, yes he never got his true potential in BCFC colours and there are many reasons for it.
I don't think it is as straight forward about him leaving the club as described above though.

lonniejockstrap says...
10:43pm Mon 1 Mar 10

dannbradfc wrote:
Waynus71 wrote:
Victor Clayton wrote: Its hard not to like Hanson. he really tries. however i did not think he was that good on Saturday. his control is poor and he is very slow. good luck to him - i hope I am wrong but i would be surprised if he made the grade. the new lad was much better
Doesn't rate Hanson BUT does rate Brandon (more than Daley at that). Are you trying to stir up a hornet's nest or are you actually being serious??????!!!!??? ? Hanson wins most headers and with the right coaching will improve. For starters, already under Taylor, we have seen him have his back to goal and nod the ball back to our runners, something that never happeend under McCall. Whereas, Brandon, even though he didn't give the ball away much and did come short for it, what did you actually do? He usually passed it backwards again for the same defenders to have to pump it forward!
waynus correct on both players. hanson will continue to get better(although i expected that to happen regardless of the coach just think he needs the experience).

And Brandon i have said my piece for some time and my criticisms look to have been justified (well Taylor appears to agree anyway). The guy has been over-hyped and is over-rated.

A bposter higher up points to the fact Brandon has not had a settled place. this has been the case for much of his career and due to the fact that he is inconsistent otherwise he would have an established starting spot. he is a luxury player who can play if you are winnng three nil;) but he is an attacking player with a poor scoring record throughout his whole career (one goal in 9+ i believe) and thus a luxury no-one can afford (pun intended)
A 'luxury no-one can afford'? You may be correct as regards City not being able to afford him and that may well be more to do with the shortage of games he has played than his footballing abilities. You mention his goal scoring record as a means to criticise him (actually 1 goal per 8 games) so I take it that you will be having a right old go at McCammon and at Mr T for bringing in a center-forward with a goal scoring record like his? Brandon refused to hit a ball forward if it meant that the Team could lose possession -don't forget he used to playing at a higher level than he was playing at with City- hence the square or back pass. I noticed 'the clueless' all moaned when Flynn passed back to Glennon in order to keep possession on Saturday! I think you should look-up Brandon's full time professional career to get the actual facts about Brandon if you think he can only play when his Team is winning 3-0.

fatbloke says...
11:00pm Mon 1 Mar 10

well said lonniejockstrap re Brandon, I too witnessed big boo's when Flynn played it back to Glennon, some people have just never ever played the game.
If we have possesion they can't score simples and at times it's good to play it back to keeper just to RE-ORGANISE and get your SHAPE back.

Dave2610 says...
11:26pm Mon 1 Mar 10

James Hanson cost City £7500 from Guiseley and Victor Clayton says he,s rubbish
well hes the top scorer with 9 goals
so what does that say about the rest of the team? they must be ****!

Waynus71 says...
12:26pm Tue 2 Mar 10

Victor Clayton wrote:
tyker wrote:
Waynus71 wrote:
Victor Clayton wrote: Its hard not to like Hanson. he really tries. however i did not think he was that good on Saturday. his control is poor and he is very slow. good luck to him - i hope I am wrong but i would be surprised if he made the grade. the new lad was much better
Doesn't rate Hanson BUT does rate Brandon (more than Daley at that). Are you trying to stir up a hornet's nest or are you actually being serious??????!!!!??? ? Hanson wins most headers and with the right coaching will improve. For starters, already under Taylor, we have seen him have his back to goal and nod the ball back to our runners, something that never happeend under McCall. Whereas, Brandon, even though he didn't give the ball away much and did come short for it, what did you actually do? He usually passed it backwards again for the same defenders to have to pump it forward!
good call:Evans and hanson as well as OB will improve beyong all recognition with a proper manager
waynus, i hope you are right about Hanson. I am sure PT will get the best out of him. we shall see. your criticism of Brandon seems to be that he never loses the ball and passes backwards. this only supports the point about the team not making themselves available for an easy pass and that Brandon doesn't like to hoof it. there is a bloke who sits behind me in the sunwin who boos every time the ball is played backwards. is this you? do you realise that quality footballers do this some timeS?. I would have brandon before Daley because although Daley has more potential, IMO we need all 11 player trying to succeed. thought Evans was great in the first half but the worst offender for giving it away needlessly in the second.
Firstly, no, I don't sit in the Sunwin stand and no, I wouldn't boo a player for passing backwards. I think you may have missed my point.

A playmaker, should be able to thread passes, find players in space and look for the runners. Brandon only ever seems to go backwards or sideways with his passing. You claim this proves our players don't make themselves available enough, but our other midfield players seem to do okay finding Hanson pulling right or Evans in the left channel, why doesn't Brandon?

Ray Wilkins was very good at retaining possession and not giving it away. He never looked to hit it 40 yards to an attacking player, because it wasn't his game. He simply broke up attacks and played a simple pass to a colleague. That's why his partnership with Hoddle was so good.

You say, "do you realise that quality footballers do this some times?". Yes, I do appreciate that, but Brandon doesn't just do it SOMETIMES, he does it MOST of the time, which wouldn't be a problem if he was a defensive midfielder, but he isn't is he.

For me, an attack-minded player (which Brandon claims to be) should be creating more opportunities than he does. When he came, we were told he could play anywhere across the middle or behind a lone striker. He comes inside too often from the flanks and runs into trouble, goes backwards too often when played centrally and, although not had many games as a 2nd striker, he hasn't scored enough goals in his career to justify that role FOR US anyway;

Brandon 280 starts - 35 goals (8.00 per game).
Flynn 174 starts - 32 goals (5.44 per game).
Bullock 266 starts - 40 goals (6.65 per game). Hardly the record to justify playing him in 'his favoured role', with a goals per game ratio lower than our defensive midfielder!

A couple of points I agree wholeheartedly with you are your summing up of Flynn/Bully and Williams. I agree that Williams deserved to be MoM and that Flynn flagged in the second half, whilst Bully upped his game.

valleyofshame says...
1:22pm Tue 2 Mar 10

Waynus, not starting an argument here but didn't Bully play more of an attcaking role before his time at Bfd?
Likewise on using figures, well these are the figures for them at BCFC.

Bullock - 69 games - 5 goals (1 in 13.8 games)
Flynn - 37 games - 6 goals (1 in 6.1 games)
Brandon - 24 games - 3 goals (1 in 8 games)

You could then start attributing different reasons as to why it was not higher, but there is no point because it isn't and is not going to change.

valleyofshame says...
1:25pm Tue 2 Mar 10

And for those that noticed my glaring error - Brandon actually played 31 games! I missed the ones he played last year so his figures should actually read (1 in 10.3)!!

fatbloke says...
2:09pm Tue 2 Mar 10

and the trigger is 36

Waynus71 says...
2:57pm Tue 2 Mar 10

lonniejockstrap wrote:
dannbradfc wrote:
Waynus71 wrote:
Victor Clayton wrote: Its hard not to like Hanson. he really tries. however i did not think he was that good on Saturday. his control is poor and he is very slow. good luck to him - i hope I am wrong but i would be surprised if he made the grade. the new lad was much better
Doesn't rate Hanson BUT does rate Brandon (more than Daley at that). Are you trying to stir up a hornet's nest or are you actually being serious??????!!!!??? ? Hanson wins most headers and with the right coaching will improve. For starters, already under Taylor, we have seen him have his back to goal and nod the ball back to our runners, something that never happeend under McCall. Whereas, Brandon, even though he didn't give the ball away much and did come short for it, what did you actually do? He usually passed it backwards again for the same defenders to have to pump it forward!
waynus correct on both players. hanson will continue to get better(although i expected that to happen regardless of the coach just think he needs the experience). And Brandon i have said my piece for some time and my criticisms look to have been justified (well Taylor appears to agree anyway). The guy has been over-hyped and is over-rated. A bposter higher up points to the fact Brandon has not had a settled place. this has been the case for much of his career and due to the fact that he is inconsistent otherwise he would have an established starting spot. he is a luxury player who can play if you are winnng three nil;) but he is an attacking player with a poor scoring record throughout his whole career (one goal in 9+ i believe) and thus a luxury no-one can afford (pun intended)
A 'luxury no-one can afford'? You may be correct as regards City not being able to afford him and that may well be more to do with the shortage of games he has played than his footballing abilities. You mention his goal scoring record as a means to criticise him (actually 1 goal per 8 games) so I take it that you will be having a right old go at McCammon and at Mr T for bringing in a center-forward with a goal scoring record like his? Brandon refused to hit a ball forward if it meant that the Team could lose possession -don't forget he used to playing at a higher level than he was playing at with City- hence the square or back pass. I noticed 'the clueless' all moaned when Flynn passed back to Glennon in order to keep possession on Saturday! I think you should look-up Brandon's full time professional career to get the actual facts about Brandon if you think he can only play when his Team is winning 3-0.
Lonnie you make some valid points, especially the one regarding 'groaners' when the ball goes backwards. However, I have occasionally let out a 'groan' when I have seen a pass available and the player decided to go backwards instead of trusting himself to make the pass. That said, under Taylor, he will be making sure we have the ability and confidence to try to make those passes and not mis-hit it straight to one of the opponents.

I would like to pick up on something else though. In response to Dann, you comment on his, "he is an attacking player with a poor scoring record throughout his whole career and thus a luxury no-one can afford statement". You say he is using Brandon's goal-scoring record to criticise him and then ask if he is going to do likewise with McCammon.

Firstly, (Dann can confirm himself but) I don't think he was using the goal-scoring record as the SOLE reason to criticise Brandon. An attacking midfielder/goalscore
r should be expected to hit the net more often than Brandon has done. Furthermore, you would expect him to make more forward passes than he does. I acknowledge the argument that there is no movement for him to be able to make that kind of pass, but other midfielders seem to manage.

However, I believe the key message from Dann's post was the 'luxury we cannot afford' comment. We have Flynn and Bully that are good at breaking up play and both have a better goalscoring record than Brandon. Both are on significantly less pay too. The point being, there are better players out there for that kind of money and therefore, Dann was right to say Brandon "has been over-hyped and is over-rated".

My other issue with your defence of Brandon was the, "don't forget he used to playing at a higher level than he was playing at with City, hence the square or back pass" comment. Firstly, I would expect a player in a higher league to be able to seek out players in good goalscoring positions. Or are you saying that he has only played for teams that do not find space and therefore has always had to pass backwards/sideways?

As for comparing his goalscoring record to McCammon's, why bring him into this? McCammon has played just 37 times in League 2, with the majority of his appearances being in the Championship (for Brighton, Millwall, Charlton & Swindon) and the rest in League 1 (for Doncaster, Brentford & Bristol City). Therefore if you are going to use the "don't forget he used to playing at a higher level than he was playing at with City" line, is more apt to McCammon than Brandon.

The fact is, Brandon is on big bucks and has not justified the salary with his performances, we have better players in our squad and there are better players out there.

Waynus71 says...
4:13pm Tue 2 Mar 10

valleyofshame wrote:
And for those that noticed my glaring error - Brandon actually played 31 games! I missed the ones he played last year so his figures should actually read (1 in 10.3)!!
Good use of stats in your posts (particularly the one above) regarding the goals per game ratio whilst at City. However, isn't your argument flawed?

You agree that Bully no longer plays an 'attacking role' and yet his goals per game ratio is almost equal to a player that has played most games as a wide player, just behind the strikers or as an advanced central midfielder.

Waynus71 says...
4:25pm Tue 2 Mar 10

Allegedly 'fatbloke'. Allegedly!

Are you seriously trying to insinuate that WE would offer a contract that had a 1 way clause that allowed a player (fit at the time) to play just 36 games before a trigger kicked in FORCING us to sign him for another year???

And that McCall didn't even sign him? You must think we're all barking!

lonniejockstrap says...
5:34pm Tue 2 Mar 10

Waynus71 wrote:
lonniejockstrap wrote:
dannbradfc wrote:
Waynus71 wrote:
Victor Clayton wrote: Its hard not to like Hanson. he really tries. however i did not think he was that good on Saturday. his control is poor and he is very slow. good luck to him - i hope I am wrong but i would be surprised if he made the grade. the new lad was much better
Doesn't rate Hanson BUT does rate Brandon (more than Daley at that). Are you trying to stir up a hornet's nest or are you actually being serious??????!!!!??? ? Hanson wins most headers and with the right coaching will improve. For starters, already under Taylor, we have seen him have his back to goal and nod the ball back to our runners, something that never happeend under McCall. Whereas, Brandon, even though he didn't give the ball away much and did come short for it, what did you actually do? He usually passed it backwards again for the same defenders to have to pump it forward!
waynus correct on both players. hanson will continue to get better(although i expected that to happen regardless of the coach just think he needs the experience). And Brandon i have said my piece for some time and my criticisms look to have been justified (well Taylor appears to agree anyway). The guy has been over-hyped and is over-rated. A bposter higher up points to the fact Brandon has not had a settled place. this has been the case for much of his career and due to the fact that he is inconsistent otherwise he would have an established starting spot. he is a luxury player who can play if you are winnng three nil;) but he is an attacking player with a poor scoring record throughout his whole career (one goal in 9+ i believe) and thus a luxury no-one can afford (pun intended)
A 'luxury no-one can afford'? You may be correct as regards City not being able to afford him and that may well be more to do with the shortage of games he has played than his footballing abilities. You mention his goal scoring record as a means to criticise him (actually 1 goal per 8 games) so I take it that you will be having a right old go at McCammon and at Mr T for bringing in a center-forward with a goal scoring record like his? Brandon refused to hit a ball forward if it meant that the Team could lose possession -don't forget he used to playing at a higher level than he was playing at with City- hence the square or back pass. I noticed 'the clueless' all moaned when Flynn passed back to Glennon in order to keep possession on Saturday! I think you should look-up Brandon's full time professional career to get the actual facts about Brandon if you think he can only play when his Team is winning 3-0.
Lonnie you make some valid points, especially the one regarding 'groaners' when the ball goes backwards. However, I have occasionally let out a 'groan' when I have seen a pass available and the player decided to go backwards instead of trusting himself to make the pass. That said, under Taylor, he will be making sure we have the ability and confidence to try to make those passes and not mis-hit it straight to one of the opponents.

I would like to pick up on something else though. In response to Dann, you comment on his, "he is an attacking player with a poor scoring record throughout his whole career and thus a luxury no-one can afford statement". You say he is using Brandon's goal-scoring record to criticise him and then ask if he is going to do likewise with McCammon.

Firstly, (Dann can confirm himself but) I don't think he was using the goal-scoring record as the SOLE reason to criticise Brandon. An attacking midfielder/goalscore
r should be expected to hit the net more often than Brandon has done. Furthermore, you would expect him to make more forward passes than he does. I acknowledge the argument that there is no movement for him to be able to make that kind of pass, but other midfielders seem to manage.

However, I believe the key message from Dann's post was the 'luxury we cannot afford' comment. We have Flynn and Bully that are good at breaking up play and both have a better goalscoring record than Brandon. Both are on significantly less pay too. The point being, there are better players out there for that kind of money and therefore, Dann was right to say Brandon "has been over-hyped and is over-rated".

My other issue with your defence of Brandon was the, "don't forget he used to playing at a higher level than he was playing at with City, hence the square or back pass" comment. Firstly, I would expect a player in a higher league to be able to seek out players in good goalscoring positions. Or are you saying that he has only played for teams that do not find space and therefore has always had to pass backwards/sideways?

As for comparing his goalscoring record to McCammon's, why bring him into this? McCammon has played just 37 times in League 2, with the majority of his appearances being in the Championship (for Brighton, Millwall, Charlton & Swindon) and the rest in League 1 (for Doncaster, Brentford & Bristol City). Therefore if you are going to use the "don't forget he used to playing at a higher level than he was playing at with City" line, is more apt to McCammon than Brandon.

The fact is, Brandon is on big bucks and has not justified the salary with his performances, we have better players in our squad and there are better players out there.
1) Goal scoring record was A criticism yes or no? -attacking midfielders aren't necessarily required to score goals, it's not that simplistic- so if we want to look for reasons to criticise on a simplistic misunderstanding of what players are required to do then criticizing McCammon and Mr T for signing him would be next on the agenda (1 goal/8 games or 1 goal/7 games depending which data one goes by). 2) I didn't disagree with the expense argument! If you read carefully what I wrote you will see. 3) For a player to 'seek out players in good goalscoring positions' you first of all have to have players 'in good goalscoring positions' . 4) As for 'played for Teams that do not find space' can I suggest you look at his
professional career as recorded on wikipedia particularly the quote from one of your favorite football Managers, Peter Jackson? 5) Supporters and Managers opinions may well be correct that Brandon may not be 'good enough' to play for City as was the case with O'Grady, Mullin, Conlon, Colbeck, etc etc. But this does not mean they are not 'good enough' to go on and play for 'better Teams' and in the process showing that they are actually capable of doing what supporters claim they couldn't do.

valleyofshame says...
12:44am Wed 3 Mar 10

Waynus71 wrote:
valleyofshame wrote: And for those that noticed my glaring error - Brandon actually played 31 games! I missed the ones he played last year so his figures should actually read (1 in 10.3)!!
Good use of stats in your posts (particularly the one above) regarding the goals per game ratio whilst at City. However, isn't your argument flawed? You agree that Bully no longer plays an 'attacking role' and yet his goals per game ratio is almost equal to a player that has played most games as a wide player, just behind the strikers or as an advanced central midfielder.
Yep, could look flawed and I didn't post the alternative way of looking at it but here goes.
Based on this season (only fair to compare it that way as Flynn didn't play last season for City and Brandon played limited games after coming back from injury)
Bullock - 33 games (all starts) - 1 goal (ratio 1 in 33)
Flynn - 38 games (all starts) - 6 goals (ratio 1 in 6.33)
Brandon - 16 (starts) 8 sub apps (some for as little as 4 mins!!) - 3 goals (ratio 1 in 8)
other midfielders this season.........
Scott Neilson - 23 games - 4 subs - 2 goals (ratio 1 in 13.5)
James O'Brien - 16 starts - 8 Sub apps - 2 goals (ratio 1 in 12).
So out of the list above he comes out 2nd!!!!!
I accept that he is not everyones cup of tea and he must be like Marmite, but some of the comments are way off the mark and it would be nice to see what you think if people thought if they had other facts about the situation but they wont come out for the sake of the club/player and its business!!!!!!
Anyway business is business and the club will go on.


James Hanson heads City’s winning goal as new strike partner Mark McCammon makes a nuisance of himself in the Darlington box James Hanson heads City’s winning goal as new strike partner Mark McCammon makes a nuisance of himself in the Darlington box

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