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6:40am Monday 1st March 2010 in
City 1, Darlington 0
Mark McCammon was oblivious to the significance of the achievement.
As far as he was concerned, the on-loan striker had just done his bit to help pocket three points against the worst team in the division.
McCammon knew nothing of how much a win at Valley Parade meant to City.
“I’m really surprised at that,” admitted the Gillingham targetman when informed of the four-month home hoodoo. “I didn’t realise they’d had a run like that.
“But maybe that’s a good sign that I didn’t know. From what I’ve seen, there’s a good togetherness in the camp and everyone’s a bit more confident now.”
So maybe, as Peter Taylor has been stressing, winning at home isn’t such a big deal. McCammon’s ignorance to the statistics showed that City’s awful run of form in front of their own fans was not a major motivational tool of the manager’s in the build-up.
The feelgood factor engendered by the eye-catching victory at Rochdale had overcome any fears of struggling to put their own house in order again.
All right, there were some nervy moments when we all wanted to look away – the split-second when the ball bounced up against Matt Clarke’s hand in the penalty area being one of them.
But referee Karl Evans, a stickler for fussiness with most other decisions, gave nothing. That luck which Stuart McCall had wished for with ever-increasing desperation was there for all to see – all, except, Mr Evans and his assistants.
City did enough to win – and collect their second double of the season – though nobody was hanging out the celebration bunting. But given the previous eight Valley Parade results, a win’s a win however ordinary.
And Taylor’s decision to field a large-and-large front pair by pitting McCammon alongside James Hanson looked a good one.
Most expected McCammon’s arrival at Apperley Bridge the day before would give Hanson the breather he has been needing in recent weeks.
Instead the new guy, admittedly rusty after three months without a start, shared the load with City’s top scorer, who looked a lot brighter for it. For once, not everything in the air had to go through Hanson.
One training session and an hour’s game-play is hardly the basis of a long-standing relationship. But McCammon, who had also denied any knowledge of Rotherham’s reported interest, can see positive early signs ahead of the rush of matches this month.
He said: “I wasn’t aware of how good Hanson was in the air. He’s very strong and can hold the ball up well.
“No defender will like to play against us with our physical presence and hopefully we’ll work on getting a bit more understanding as the games go on.”
Taylor had praised Hanson’s refusal to let his head drop when things go wrong. In the last two games, the big man has fluffed superb scoring chances – but still bounced back to have an assist in Gareth Evans’ cracking result-sealer at Spotland.
Again on Saturday, Hanson rode early adversity to display a mental toughness that is admirable for someone who has been in the professional game for less than a season.
McCammon had already gone close with two ricochets as City made a fast start.
Richie Byrne slipped over trying to deal with a cross which took the striker by surprise in front of goal. Then he almost managed to divert a ball inside the near post with his right knee.
As the visitors wobbled, Michael Flynn sent Hanson bursting clear after ten minutes. It was a three-on-three break and a goal was surely on the cards this time; instead his touch was far too heavy and Darlo frantically slammed the door back shut.
Others might have drifted out of play after such a setback but Hanson showed again that he is made of sterner stuff and set about creating and finishing the game’s decisive moment.
It was his well-guided pass that released Evans on the right wing – and his head that met the perfect cross and bulleted it beyond Shane Redmond.
A well-executed goal – even more so considering the heavy state of the pitch, which gets boggier week on week.
City still tried to play the ball around, with Flynn and Lee Bullock the fulcrum in midfield and Evans clearly relishing the freedom of his new role out wide.
The goal was not the only decent cross he whipped in during a first half which should have seen City home and hosed. Left back Robbie Threlfall, too, repeated the quality of set-piece delivery from his Rochdale debut and Clarke should have buried his free-kick just before the break.
Instead the scoreline remained close enough to keep Darlington interested and their own belief grew as City dropped off.
Matt Glennon denied Josh Gray and needed a couple of grabs at Gary Dempsey’s 25-yard volley, while the defence had to be on their guard to negotiate a couple of awkward crosses in the six-yard box.
On came Michael Boulding and Omar Daley as City finally wrestled back control. McCammon’s hour of hard toil finished with a fat lip from a whack by centre half Alan White.
“He looked like he’d taken a right-hander from Sonny Liston,” laughed Taylor afterwards, “but that’s showing my age there!”
City could have extended their advantage. Evans was denied by a double block – the second an outstanding save from Redmond – and Boulding twice missed chances, including a gilt-edged one in stoppage time.
But that first home win since the clocks went back had been secured. Now to start moving forward again and making up for lost time. Attendance: 11,532
Comments(38)
spleen ventor
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7:30am Mon 1 Mar 10
flashdonut
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7:59am Mon 1 Mar 10
tyker
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8:07am Mon 1 Mar 10
Helen Highwater wrote:I heard that one too: not really surprising as he was a waste of space from the beginning.
Rumour has it that Chris Brandon has left the club, having had his contract paid up.
spleen ventor
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9:21am Mon 1 Mar 10
flashdonut wrote:Just a thought but who do the Bulls conduct their negotiations with concerning sharing VP, City or the owner Gordon Gibb?
Rumour has it the Bulls have already informed the RFL that they intend to start playing at Valley Parade. Mr Lawn is injecting 1million plus into the Bulls. Is he about to withdraw from City????
fatbloke
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10:18am Mon 1 Mar 10
tyker
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10:36am Mon 1 Mar 10
peanut4
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11:07am Mon 1 Mar 10
fatbloke
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11:08am Mon 1 Mar 10
Guiseley Gents
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12:28pm Mon 1 Mar 10
tyker
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12:29pm Mon 1 Mar 10
Victor Clayton
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fatbloke
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Victor Clayton
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barneybd10
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1:34pm Mon 1 Mar 10
Victor Clayton wrote:You need to go to specsavers....
Its hard not to like Hanson. he really tries. however i did not think he was that good on Saturday. his control is poor and he is very slow. good luck to him - i hope I am wrong but i would be surprised if he made the grade. the new lad was much better
fatbloke
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1:38pm Mon 1 Mar 10
Waynus71
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2:49pm Mon 1 Mar 10
Victor Clayton wrote:Doesn't rate Hanson BUT does rate Brandon (more than Daley at that). Are you trying to stir up a hornet's nest or are you actually being serious??????!!!!???
Its hard not to like Hanson. he really tries. however i did not think he was that good on Saturday. his control is poor and he is very slow. good luck to him - i hope I am wrong but i would be surprised if he made the grade. the new lad was much better
tyker
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3:00pm Mon 1 Mar 10
Waynus71 wrote:good call:Evans and hanson as well as OB will improve beyong all recognition with a proper manager
Victor Clayton wrote:Doesn't rate Hanson BUT does rate Brandon (more than Daley at that). Are you trying to stir up a hornet's nest or are you actually being serious??????!!!!???
Its hard not to like Hanson. he really tries. however i did not think he was that good on Saturday. his control is poor and he is very slow. good luck to him - i hope I am wrong but i would be surprised if he made the grade. the new lad was much better
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Hanson wins most headers and with the right coaching will improve. For starters, already under Taylor, we have seen him have his back to goal and nod the ball back to our runners, something that never happeend under McCall.
Whereas, Brandon, even though he didn't give the ball away much and did come short for it, what did you actually do? He usually passed it backwards again for the same defenders to have to pump it forward!
Dave2610
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5:26pm Mon 1 Mar 10
Victor Clayton
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6:16pm Mon 1 Mar 10
tyker wrote:waynus, i hope you are right about Hanson. I am sure PT will get the best out of him. we shall see.
Waynus71 wrote:good call:Evans and hanson as well as OB will improve beyong all recognition with a proper managerVictor Clayton wrote: Its hard not to like Hanson. he really tries. however i did not think he was that good on Saturday. his control is poor and he is very slow. good luck to him - i hope I am wrong but i would be surprised if he made the grade. the new lad was much betterDoesn't rate Hanson BUT does rate Brandon (more than Daley at that). Are you trying to stir up a hornet's nest or are you actually being serious??????!!!!??? ? Hanson wins most headers and with the right coaching will improve. For starters, already under Taylor, we have seen him have his back to goal and nod the ball back to our runners, something that never happeend under McCall. Whereas, Brandon, even though he didn't give the ball away much and did come short for it, what did you actually do? He usually passed it backwards again for the same defenders to have to pump it forward!
Victor Clayton
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6:22pm Mon 1 Mar 10
fatbloke wrote:fatbloke. thank you for telling me you disagree with my view point in such a reasonable manner
Victor Clayton, I respect your opinion and aint saying you are wrong. However I do know there has already been serious enquiries in the last few months about James from League1/Championship clubs, but James has stated his intentions of finishing here what he signed, so at least 2 yrs. I can see where you are coming from but james still has a lot to learn and managers these days like big battering rams, even though it isnt always pretty for us spectators. For a 1st year pro I think he has made a bright start.
Victor Clayton
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6:41pm Mon 1 Mar 10
Dave2610 wrote:Yes - sunwin stand (facing the pitch) and i enjoyed the game.
Victor Clayton. Where were you watching the game Saturday? On Manningham lane with your back to the ground. James was the best of the 2 up front he scored he laid a few off the Evans and others, he for me should have been named MOM and not Williams, Watch the game next time closely and you will see his work rate. And by the way if ervery pass or header went to a City player he would be playing for Man Utd. Ya main sponsor keep it going Jimbo cracking goal Saturday.
Dave2610
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7:47pm Mon 1 Mar 10
dannbradfc
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8:14pm Mon 1 Mar 10
Waynus71 wrote:waynus correct on both players. hanson will continue to get better(although i expected that to happen regardless of the coach just think he needs the experience).
Victor Clayton wrote: Its hard not to like Hanson. he really tries. however i did not think he was that good on Saturday. his control is poor and he is very slow. good luck to him - i hope I am wrong but i would be surprised if he made the grade. the new lad was much betterDoesn't rate Hanson BUT does rate Brandon (more than Daley at that). Are you trying to stir up a hornet's nest or are you actually being serious??????!!!!??? ? Hanson wins most headers and with the right coaching will improve. For starters, already under Taylor, we have seen him have his back to goal and nod the ball back to our runners, something that never happeend under McCall. Whereas, Brandon, even though he didn't give the ball away much and did come short for it, what did you actually do? He usually passed it backwards again for the same defenders to have to pump it forward!
Farsley XI
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8:41pm Mon 1 Mar 10
valleyofshame
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9:05pm Mon 1 Mar 10
lonniejockstrap
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10:43pm Mon 1 Mar 10
dannbradfc wrote:A 'luxury no-one can afford'? You may be correct as regards City not being able to afford him and that may well be more to do with the shortage of games he has played than his footballing abilities. You mention his goal scoring record as a means to criticise him (actually 1 goal per 8 games) so I take it that you will be having a right old go at McCammon and at Mr T for bringing in a center-forward with a goal scoring record like his? Brandon refused to hit a ball forward if it meant that the Team could lose possession -don't forget he used to playing at a higher level than he was playing at with City- hence the square or back pass. I noticed 'the clueless' all moaned when Flynn passed back to Glennon in order to keep possession on Saturday! I think you should look-up Brandon's full time professional career to get the actual facts about Brandon if you think he can only play when his Team is winning 3-0.
Waynus71 wrote:waynus correct on both players. hanson will continue to get better(although i expected that to happen regardless of the coach just think he needs the experience).
Victor Clayton wrote: Its hard not to like Hanson. he really tries. however i did not think he was that good on Saturday. his control is poor and he is very slow. good luck to him - i hope I am wrong but i would be surprised if he made the grade. the new lad was much betterDoesn't rate Hanson BUT does rate Brandon (more than Daley at that). Are you trying to stir up a hornet's nest or are you actually being serious??????!!!!??? ? Hanson wins most headers and with the right coaching will improve. For starters, already under Taylor, we have seen him have his back to goal and nod the ball back to our runners, something that never happeend under McCall. Whereas, Brandon, even though he didn't give the ball away much and did come short for it, what did you actually do? He usually passed it backwards again for the same defenders to have to pump it forward!
And Brandon i have said my piece for some time and my criticisms look to have been justified (well Taylor appears to agree anyway). The guy has been over-hyped and is over-rated.
A bposter higher up points to the fact Brandon has not had a settled place. this has been the case for much of his career and due to the fact that he is inconsistent otherwise he would have an established starting spot. he is a luxury player who can play if you are winnng three nil;) but he is an attacking player with a poor scoring record throughout his whole career (one goal in 9+ i believe) and thus a luxury no-one can afford (pun intended)
fatbloke
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Dave2610
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11:26pm Mon 1 Mar 10
Waynus71
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12:26pm Tue 2 Mar 10
Victor Clayton wrote:Firstly, no, I don't sit in the Sunwin stand and no, I wouldn't boo a player for passing backwards. I think you may have missed my point.
tyker wrote:waynus, i hope you are right about Hanson. I am sure PT will get the best out of him. we shall see. your criticism of Brandon seems to be that he never loses the ball and passes backwards. this only supports the point about the team not making themselves available for an easy pass and that Brandon doesn't like to hoof it. there is a bloke who sits behind me in the sunwin who boos every time the ball is played backwards. is this you? do you realise that quality footballers do this some timeS?. I would have brandon before Daley because although Daley has more potential, IMO we need all 11 player trying to succeed. thought Evans was great in the first half but the worst offender for giving it away needlessly in the second.Waynus71 wrote:good call:Evans and hanson as well as OB will improve beyong all recognition with a proper managerVictor Clayton wrote: Its hard not to like Hanson. he really tries. however i did not think he was that good on Saturday. his control is poor and he is very slow. good luck to him - i hope I am wrong but i would be surprised if he made the grade. the new lad was much betterDoesn't rate Hanson BUT does rate Brandon (more than Daley at that). Are you trying to stir up a hornet's nest or are you actually being serious??????!!!!??? ? Hanson wins most headers and with the right coaching will improve. For starters, already under Taylor, we have seen him have his back to goal and nod the ball back to our runners, something that never happeend under McCall. Whereas, Brandon, even though he didn't give the ball away much and did come short for it, what did you actually do? He usually passed it backwards again for the same defenders to have to pump it forward!
valleyofshame
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1:22pm Tue 2 Mar 10
valleyofshame
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fatbloke
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2:09pm Tue 2 Mar 10
Waynus71
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2:57pm Tue 2 Mar 10
lonniejockstrap wrote:Lonnie you make some valid points, especially the one regarding 'groaners' when the ball goes backwards. However, I have occasionally let out a 'groan' when I have seen a pass available and the player decided to go backwards instead of trusting himself to make the pass. That said, under Taylor, he will be making sure we have the ability and confidence to try to make those passes and not mis-hit it straight to one of the opponents.
dannbradfc wrote:A 'luxury no-one can afford'? You may be correct as regards City not being able to afford him and that may well be more to do with the shortage of games he has played than his footballing abilities. You mention his goal scoring record as a means to criticise him (actually 1 goal per 8 games) so I take it that you will be having a right old go at McCammon and at Mr T for bringing in a center-forward with a goal scoring record like his? Brandon refused to hit a ball forward if it meant that the Team could lose possession -don't forget he used to playing at a higher level than he was playing at with City- hence the square or back pass. I noticed 'the clueless' all moaned when Flynn passed back to Glennon in order to keep possession on Saturday! I think you should look-up Brandon's full time professional career to get the actual facts about Brandon if you think he can only play when his Team is winning 3-0.Waynus71 wrote:waynus correct on both players. hanson will continue to get better(although i expected that to happen regardless of the coach just think he needs the experience). And Brandon i have said my piece for some time and my criticisms look to have been justified (well Taylor appears to agree anyway). The guy has been over-hyped and is over-rated. A bposter higher up points to the fact Brandon has not had a settled place. this has been the case for much of his career and due to the fact that he is inconsistent otherwise he would have an established starting spot. he is a luxury player who can play if you are winnng three nil;) but he is an attacking player with a poor scoring record throughout his whole career (one goal in 9+ i believe) and thus a luxury no-one can afford (pun intended)Victor Clayton wrote: Its hard not to like Hanson. he really tries. however i did not think he was that good on Saturday. his control is poor and he is very slow. good luck to him - i hope I am wrong but i would be surprised if he made the grade. the new lad was much betterDoesn't rate Hanson BUT does rate Brandon (more than Daley at that). Are you trying to stir up a hornet's nest or are you actually being serious??????!!!!??? ? Hanson wins most headers and with the right coaching will improve. For starters, already under Taylor, we have seen him have his back to goal and nod the ball back to our runners, something that never happeend under McCall. Whereas, Brandon, even though he didn't give the ball away much and did come short for it, what did you actually do? He usually passed it backwards again for the same defenders to have to pump it forward!
Waynus71
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4:13pm Tue 2 Mar 10
valleyofshame wrote:Good use of stats in your posts (particularly the one above) regarding the goals per game ratio whilst at City. However, isn't your argument flawed?
And for those that noticed my glaring error - Brandon actually played 31 games! I missed the ones he played last year so his figures should actually read (1 in 10.3)!!
Waynus71
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4:25pm Tue 2 Mar 10
lonniejockstrap
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5:34pm Tue 2 Mar 10
Waynus71 wrote:1) Goal scoring record was A criticism yes or no? -attacking midfielders aren't necessarily required to score goals, it's not that simplistic- so if we want to look for reasons to criticise on a simplistic misunderstanding of what players are required to do then criticizing McCammon and Mr T for signing him would be next on the agenda (1 goal/8 games or 1 goal/7 games depending which data one goes by). 2) I didn't disagree with the expense argument! If you read carefully what I wrote you will see. 3) For a player to 'seek out players in good goalscoring positions' you first of all have to have players 'in good goalscoring positions' . 4) As for 'played for Teams that do not find space' can I suggest you look at his
lonniejockstrap wrote:Lonnie you make some valid points, especially the one regarding 'groaners' when the ball goes backwards. However, I have occasionally let out a 'groan' when I have seen a pass available and the player decided to go backwards instead of trusting himself to make the pass. That said, under Taylor, he will be making sure we have the ability and confidence to try to make those passes and not mis-hit it straight to one of the opponents.
dannbradfc wrote:A 'luxury no-one can afford'? You may be correct as regards City not being able to afford him and that may well be more to do with the shortage of games he has played than his footballing abilities. You mention his goal scoring record as a means to criticise him (actually 1 goal per 8 games) so I take it that you will be having a right old go at McCammon and at Mr T for bringing in a center-forward with a goal scoring record like his? Brandon refused to hit a ball forward if it meant that the Team could lose possession -don't forget he used to playing at a higher level than he was playing at with City- hence the square or back pass. I noticed 'the clueless' all moaned when Flynn passed back to Glennon in order to keep possession on Saturday! I think you should look-up Brandon's full time professional career to get the actual facts about Brandon if you think he can only play when his Team is winning 3-0.Waynus71 wrote:waynus correct on both players. hanson will continue to get better(although i expected that to happen regardless of the coach just think he needs the experience). And Brandon i have said my piece for some time and my criticisms look to have been justified (well Taylor appears to agree anyway). The guy has been over-hyped and is over-rated. A bposter higher up points to the fact Brandon has not had a settled place. this has been the case for much of his career and due to the fact that he is inconsistent otherwise he would have an established starting spot. he is a luxury player who can play if you are winnng three nil;) but he is an attacking player with a poor scoring record throughout his whole career (one goal in 9+ i believe) and thus a luxury no-one can afford (pun intended)Victor Clayton wrote: Its hard not to like Hanson. he really tries. however i did not think he was that good on Saturday. his control is poor and he is very slow. good luck to him - i hope I am wrong but i would be surprised if he made the grade. the new lad was much betterDoesn't rate Hanson BUT does rate Brandon (more than Daley at that). Are you trying to stir up a hornet's nest or are you actually being serious??????!!!!??? ? Hanson wins most headers and with the right coaching will improve. For starters, already under Taylor, we have seen him have his back to goal and nod the ball back to our runners, something that never happeend under McCall. Whereas, Brandon, even though he didn't give the ball away much and did come short for it, what did you actually do? He usually passed it backwards again for the same defenders to have to pump it forward!
I would like to pick up on something else though. In response to Dann, you comment on his, "he is an attacking player with a poor scoring record throughout his whole career and thus a luxury no-one can afford statement". You say he is using Brandon's goal-scoring record to criticise him and then ask if he is going to do likewise with McCammon.
Firstly, (Dann can confirm himself but) I don't think he was using the goal-scoring record as the SOLE reason to criticise Brandon. An attacking midfielder/goalscore
r should be expected to hit the net more often than Brandon has done. Furthermore, you would expect him to make more forward passes than he does. I acknowledge the argument that there is no movement for him to be able to make that kind of pass, but other midfielders seem to manage.
However, I believe the key message from Dann's post was the 'luxury we cannot afford' comment. We have Flynn and Bully that are good at breaking up play and both have a better goalscoring record than Brandon. Both are on significantly less pay too. The point being, there are better players out there for that kind of money and therefore, Dann was right to say Brandon "has been over-hyped and is over-rated".
My other issue with your defence of Brandon was the, "don't forget he used to playing at a higher level than he was playing at with City, hence the square or back pass" comment. Firstly, I would expect a player in a higher league to be able to seek out players in good goalscoring positions. Or are you saying that he has only played for teams that do not find space and therefore has always had to pass backwards/sideways?
As for comparing his goalscoring record to McCammon's, why bring him into this? McCammon has played just 37 times in League 2, with the majority of his appearances being in the Championship (for Brighton, Millwall, Charlton & Swindon) and the rest in League 1 (for Doncaster, Brentford & Bristol City). Therefore if you are going to use the "don't forget he used to playing at a higher level than he was playing at with City" line, is more apt to McCammon than Brandon.
The fact is, Brandon is on big bucks and has not justified the salary with his performances, we have better players in our squad and there are better players out there.
valleyofshame
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12:44am Wed 3 Mar 10
Waynus71 wrote:Yep, could look flawed and I didn't post the alternative way of looking at it but here goes.
valleyofshame wrote: And for those that noticed my glaring error - Brandon actually played 31 games! I missed the ones he played last year so his figures should actually read (1 in 10.3)!!Good use of stats in your posts (particularly the one above) regarding the goals per game ratio whilst at City. However, isn't your argument flawed? You agree that Bully no longer plays an 'attacking role' and yet his goals per game ratio is almost equal to a player that has played most games as a wide player, just behind the strikers or as an advanced central midfielder.
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Helen Highwater says...
6:55am Mon 1 Mar 10