Bradford City in last-ditch bid to rescue the Bulls (From Bradford Telegraph and Argus)

spleen ventor wrote:
Just had another thought (dangerous I know!)...unless City have another buyer already lined up and aim to make a quick buck...ABC?

Laney1989 wrote:
Very funny...Bradford City's **** :-)

Laney1989 wrote:
Oh here we go again...
Change the record BantamCougar you are boring me.

scandanavian's love child52 wrote:
Cant wait to see all the backtracking the bulls fans do after reading this after doing nothing but slate city fans for even having an opinion. They were talking of a boycott at huddersfield till hudds gave them money, about turn :-)

bantamcougar wrote:

Laney1989 wrote:
Oh here we go again...
Change the record BantamCougar you are boring me.

Marching on together

Laney1989 wrote:

bantamcougar wrote:

Laney1989 wrote:
Oh here we go again...
Change the record BantamCougar you are boring me.

Marching on together

Yeah exactly clown.
Anyway I'd concentrate on that Cougar's side of yours.
Do you want 50p? HAHA

Laney1989 wrote:
King Karl - Odsal doesn't meet FL criteria I'm led to believe.

king karl wrote:
word is city would move to odsal !!!

Laney1989 wrote:

bantamcougar wrote:

Laney1989 wrote:
Oh here we go again...
Change the record BantamCougar you are boring me.

Marching on together

Yeah exactly clown.
Anyway I'd concentrate on that Cougar's side of yours.
Do you want 50p? HAHA

Laney1989 wrote:
King Karl - Odsal doesn't meet FL criteria I'm led to believe.

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:

king karl wrote:
word is city would move to odsal !!!

Administration would be needed to break BCFC's lease agreement at Valley Parade so that does not stack up and 6000+ seats would have to be installed at Odsal as BCFC have been in a league higher that the championshio for more than 3 years so can't revert back to terracing.

spleen ventor wrote:
How's this for a scenario...City buy bulls unconditionally, this finds favour with the RFL and they retain their Super League status...City sell Bulls to another buyer (ABC?) at a profit...cash raised allows City/ABC to buy back Valley Parade from Gordon Gibb and we all co'exsist under one roof....Happy Families!

king karl wrote:
word is city would move to odsal !!!

flashdonut wrote:
Bulls fan here. My honest opinion is it is about time. Share resources, share staff, share facilities. The best way forward. One clb doctor, one physion, one groundsamn. A few people will lose their job, that is a shame. But times are hard. People are out of work all over. The clubs should 'merge' and reduce overheads. Hull FC & Hull City share, as do Wigan's. Has to be done.
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Question is, where? Bulls to VP? Best stadium without a doubt. Location is iffy, not for where it is but Odsal is bang next to motorway. But Odsal is a dump, no doubting. Most amateur clubs have better facilities.

Village Bantam wrote:
It's quite clear there's a hidden agenda.

City have only just got their finances sorted out and certainly cannot afford to lose £1m per year just to keep our 'neighbours' alive.

I'm pretty sure I read that ABC were gonna get some redevelopment backing from the council to do up Odsal and I very much doubt this offer has been made without assurances in advance that this would be the case.

I see two possibilities here.

Either, City are about to bluff their current tenant into reselling VP back to them on the cheap by threatening to move out or they intend on doing Odsal up with help from the council, moving in and sharing with the Bulls and saving another £350k per year in rent - saving the Bulls in the process and having a state of the art Stadium courtesy of the tax payer.

There is another possibility, the transport magnate - Parkin (I think it was) who wanted to buy BOTH City and Bulls last year maybe behind this whole thing. Once they are in the hands of Messers Lawn and Rhodes, then it would make it easier to do a deal.

Who knows, one thing for sure, this isn't a case of neighbourly charity.

ricky76 wrote:

flashdonut wrote:
Bulls fan here. My honest opinion is it is about time. Share resources, share staff, share facilities. The best way forward. One clb doctor, one physion, one groundsamn. A few people will lose their job, that is a shame. But times are hard. People are out of work all over. The clubs should 'merge' and reduce overheads. Hull FC & Hull City share, as do Wigan's. Has to be done.
.
Question is, where? Bulls to VP? Best stadium without a doubt. Location is iffy, not for where it is but Odsal is bang next to motorway. But Odsal is a dump, no doubting. Most amateur clubs have better facilities.

A very sensible post although a city fan through and through I like to see the Bulls do well too and its about time the clubs maybe looked at about sharing.Osdal has a great history in terms of Rugby and not forgetting the likes of speedway however the place quite bluntly needs a heck of a load of redeveloping to anywhere near the standard required to suit both parties. Valley Parade has its own history of course but the main thing is its a ground that is modern and although many Bulls fans may say in a bad location it meets the standard for both clubs at this moment in time so if the bulls need to survive surely in the short term at least it makes sense to play at Valley Parade.

bantamcougar wrote:

spleen ventor wrote:
Just had another thought (dangerous I know!)...unless City have another buyer already lined up and aim to make a quick buck...ABC?

Was thinking exactly the same

Laney1989 wrote:

bantamcougar wrote:

Laney1989 wrote:
Oh here we go again...
Change the record BantamCougar you are boring me.

Marching on together

Yeah exactly clown.
Anyway I'd concentrate on that Cougar's side of yours.
Do you want 50p? HAHA

billybobbull wrote:

Village Bantam wrote: It's quite clear there's a hidden agenda. City have only just got their finances sorted out and certainly cannot afford to lose £1m per year just to keep our 'neighbours' alive. I'm pretty sure I read that ABC were gonna get some redevelopment backing from the council to do up Odsal and I very much doubt this offer has been made without assurances in advance that this would be the case. I see two possibilities here. Either, City are about to bluff their current tenant into reselling VP back to them on the cheap by threatening to move out or they intend on doing Odsal up with help from the council, moving in and sharing with the Bulls and saving another £350k per year in rent - saving the Bulls in the process and having a state of the art Stadium courtesy of the tax payer. There is another possibility, the transport magnate - Parkin (I think it was) who wanted to buy BOTH City and Bulls last year maybe behind this whole thing. Once they are in the hands of Messers Lawn and Rhodes, then it would make it easier to do a deal. Who knows, one thing for sure, this isn't a case of neighbourly charity.

Surely sharing Odsal long term on decent rent rates, would allow for much more investments into the respective teams. Plus development and revenue possibilities galore, right on the busiest motorway system in the country. Perfect for a logistics hub!

Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:

Laney1989 wrote:

bantamcougar wrote:

Laney1989 wrote:
Oh here we go again...
Change the record BantamCougar you are boring me.

Marching on together

Yeah exactly clown.
Anyway I'd concentrate on that Cougar's side of yours.
Do you want 50p? HAHA

So we have a city fan who supports Keighley Cougars having a go at a City fan cos he supports Leeds Rhinos, go on then, explain the difference.

Is it because one of them has a chip on his shoulder about being a small club?

On topic: wtf?? where did this come from?? what, where, who, when,why? Going to be interesting to see how it develops.

What I will say is I think we all, as Bradford sports fans have been dealt some rough hands in the past, maybe it is time to bury our hatchets and come together to maintain first class sport in the city and progrees it from first class to world class, in the Bulls case, again.

scandanavian's love child52 wrote:
Cant wait to see all the backtracking the bulls fans do after reading this after doing nothing but slate city fans for even having an opinion. They were talking of a boycott at huddersfield till hudds gave them money, about turn :-)

raisemeup wrote:

ricky76 wrote:

flashdonut wrote:
Bulls fan here. My honest opinion is it is about time. Share resources, share staff, share facilities. The best way forward. One clb doctor, one physion, one groundsamn. A few people will lose their job, that is a shame. But times are hard. People are out of work all over. The clubs should 'merge' and reduce overheads. Hull FC & Hull City share, as do Wigan's. Has to be done.
.
Question is, where? Bulls to VP? Best stadium without a doubt. Location is iffy, not for where it is but Odsal is bang next to motorway. But Odsal is a dump, no doubting. Most amateur clubs have better facilities.

A very sensible post although a city fan through and through I like to see the Bulls do well too and its about time the clubs maybe looked at about sharing.Osdal has a great history in terms of Rugby and not forgetting the likes of speedway however the place quite bluntly needs a heck of a load of redeveloping to anywhere near the standard required to suit both parties. Valley Parade has its own history of course but the main thing is its a ground that is modern and although many Bulls fans may say in a bad location it meets the standard for both clubs at this moment in time so if the bulls need to survive surely in the short term at least it makes sense to play at Valley Parade.

Another sensible post there.

The best answer is always in the detail:

Two scenario's both attractive.
But in the long term, the best development is Odsal.

The room for expansion and development is there. and in a way we have a blank canvas, so to speak.

It will take time, but I am sure with the collective will of all parties, hopefully one day we will see the "sporting village" scene in Bradford.

At least someone has the vision, lets hope the silly protectionalists., we encounter, don't hold the sway they think they do.

Vision and progress is what we need, I think a big wadge of cash is also useful. Sadly that's a commodity everyone says they haven't got,even when they have. ie if you ever ask for investment the stock answer is: "The trouble, is there's no money?".

raisemeup wrote:

king karl wrote: word is city would move to odsal !!!

That could be on the longer term sense list. Odsal could be the etihad stadium in Yorkshire, and hosting both clubs at a price that will not break the bank,it will save City having to pay the £360k (reported figure)rent per year and bring sport to the City of Bradford in line with the more progressive Cities in the UK. Wishful and fancifull perhaps, but that's the way I would be thinking. Mr Rhodes seems to be a progressive sort of fella anyway.

Laney1989 wrote:

Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:

Laney1989 wrote:

bantamcougar wrote:

Laney1989 wrote:
Oh here we go again...
Change the record BantamCougar you are boring me.

Marching on together

Yeah exactly clown.
Anyway I'd concentrate on that Cougar's side of yours.
Do you want 50p? HAHA

So we have a city fan who supports Keighley Cougars having a go at a City fan cos he supports Leeds Rhinos, go on then, explain the difference.

Is it because one of them has a chip on his shoulder about being a small club?

On topic: wtf?? where did this come from?? what, where, who, when,why? Going to be interesting to see how it develops.

What I will say is I think we all, as Bradford sports fans have been dealt some rough hands in the past, maybe it is time to bury our hatchets and come together to maintain first class sport in the city and progrees it from first class to world class, in the Bulls case, again.

For some reason he's got a chip on his shoulder about me supporting Bradford City & Leeds Rhinos.
.
People who know me know my reasons.
.
That's it really.

ricky76 wrote:

raisemeup wrote:

ricky76 wrote:

flashdonut wrote: Bulls fan here. My honest opinion is it is about time. Share resources, share staff, share facilities. The best way forward. One clb doctor, one physion, one groundsamn. A few people will lose their job, that is a shame. But times are hard. People are out of work all over. The clubs should 'merge' and reduce overheads. Hull FC & Hull City share, as do Wigan's. Has to be done. . Question is, where? Bulls to VP? Best stadium without a doubt. Location is iffy, not for where it is but Odsal is bang next to motorway. But Odsal is a dump, no doubting. Most amateur clubs have better facilities.

A very sensible post although a city fan through and through I like to see the Bulls do well too and its about time the clubs maybe looked at about sharing.Osdal has a great history in terms of Rugby and not forgetting the likes of speedway however the place quite bluntly needs a heck of a load of redeveloping to anywhere near the standard required to suit both parties. Valley Parade has its own history of course but the main thing is its a ground that is modern and although many Bulls fans may say in a bad location it meets the standard for both clubs at this moment in time so if the bulls need to survive surely in the short term at least it makes sense to play at Valley Parade.

Another sensible post there. The best answer is always in the detail: Two scenario's both attractive. But in the long term, the best development is Odsal. The room for expansion and development is there. and in a way we have a blank canvas, so to speak. It will take time, but I am sure with the collective will of all parties, hopefully one day we will see the "sporting village" scene in Bradford. At least someone has the vision, lets hope the silly protectionalists., we encounter, don't hold the sway they think they do. Vision and progress is what we need, I think a big wadge of cash is also useful. Sadly that's a commodity everyone says they haven't got,even when they have. ie if you ever ask for investment the stock answer is: "The trouble, is there's no money?".

Like say short term VP has got to be the answer long term I can see a new ground being built away from existing stadium like Hull Wigan and Huddersfield have done.

LuvFootball wrote:
To everybody moaning about how Rhodes/Lawn spend THEIR money, what God **** business is it of your's? How would you like it if anyone told you you have got no right and can not go to the pub because you didn't buy your neighbour a bottle of wine? If you don't like how Rhodes/Lawn spend THEIR money, spend your own God **** money and buy them out or STF up. People like that do my head in more than the people that moan about either City or the Bulls. Grow up.

Ashbantam wrote:

Laney1989 wrote:

Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:

Laney1989 wrote:

bantamcougar wrote:

Laney1989 wrote:
Oh here we go again...
Change the record BantamCougar you are boring me.

Marching on together

Yeah exactly clown.
Anyway I'd concentrate on that Cougar's side of yours.
Do you want 50p? HAHA

So we have a city fan who supports Keighley Cougars having a go at a City fan cos he supports Leeds Rhinos, go on then, explain the difference.

Is it because one of them has a chip on his shoulder about being a small club?

On topic: wtf?? where did this come from?? what, where, who, when,why? Going to be interesting to see how it develops.

What I will say is I think we all, as Bradford sports fans have been dealt some rough hands in the past, maybe it is time to bury our hatchets and come together to maintain first class sport in the city and progrees it from first class to world class, in the Bulls case, again.

For some reason he's got a chip on his shoulder about me supporting Bradford City & Leeds Rhinos.
.
People who know me know my reasons.
.
That's it really.

There's no acceptable reason for it, I mean you sing marching on together for god sake, how can you do that it's not even a Rhinos song.

Bacon Bantam wrote:

LuvFootball wrote:
To everybody moaning about how Rhodes/Lawn spend THEIR money, what God **** business is it of your's? How would you like it if anyone told you you have got no right and can not go to the pub because you didn't buy your neighbour a bottle of wine? If you don't like how Rhodes/Lawn spend THEIR money, spend your own God **** money and buy them out or STF up. People like that do my head in more than the people that moan about either City or the Bulls. Grow up.

Where has this rant come from???????

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
Just looking on Amber Red and Black and still things like this are coming up.

hi de hi wrote:Any move to VP is totally out of the question in my book.

Seem even with a gun to their head and the future of the club on the line some still thinks beggars can be choosers.

LuvFootball wrote:

Bacon Bantam wrote:

LuvFootball wrote: To everybody moaning about how Rhodes/Lawn spend THEIR money, what God **** business is it of your's? How would you like it if anyone told you you have got no right and can not go to the pub because you didn't buy your neighbour a bottle of wine? If you don't like how Rhodes/Lawn spend THEIR money, spend your own God **** money and buy them out or STF up. People like that do my head in more than the people that moan about either City or the Bulls. Grow up.

Where has this rant come from???????

Look at some of the earlier posts on here from City fans moaning that we have the cash to buy the Bulls but not enough cash to splash it out at VP.

ricky76 wrote:

flashdonut wrote:
Bulls fan here. My honest opinion is it is about time. Share resources, share staff, share facilities. The best way forward. One clb doctor, one physion, one groundsamn. A few people will lose their job, that is a shame. But times are hard. People are out of work all over. The clubs should 'merge' and reduce overheads. Hull FC & Hull City share, as do Wigan's. Has to be done.
.
Question is, where? Bulls to VP? Best stadium without a doubt. Location is iffy, not for where it is but Odsal is bang next to motorway. But Odsal is a dump, no doubting. Most amateur clubs have better facilities.

A very sensible post although a city fan through and through I like to see the Bulls do well too and its about time the clubs maybe looked at about sharing.Osdal has a great history in terms of Rugby and not forgetting the likes of speedway however the place quite bluntly needs a heck of a load of redeveloping to anywhere near the standard required to suit both parties. Valley Parade has its own history of course but the main thing is its a ground that is modern and although many Bulls fans may say in a bad location it meets the standard for both clubs at this moment in time so if the bulls need to survive surely in the short term at least it makes sense to play at Valley Parade.

Bacon Bantam wrote:

raisemeup wrote:

king karl wrote: word is city would move to odsal !!!

That could be on the longer term sense list. Odsal could be the etihad stadium in Yorkshire, and hosting both clubs at a price that will not break the bank,it will save City having to pay the £360k (reported figure)rent per year and bring sport to the City of Bradford in line with the more progressive Cities in the UK. Wishful and fancifull perhaps, but that's the way I would be thinking. Mr Rhodes seems to be a progressive sort of fella anyway.

It will save £360k per year in rent but where are the millions and millions of pounds going to come from to bring the ground up to standard?

This story also confirmed that Sutcliffe and Khan were all mouth, they didn't even submit a bid but still got their faces in the paper day after day.

Sheffieldbull wrote:

Thee Voice of Reason wrote: Just looking on Amber Red and Black and still things like this are coming up. hi de hi wrote:Any move to VP is totally out of the question in my book. Seem even with a gun to their head and the future of the club on the line some still thinks beggars can be choosers.

TVoR, for someone who advocates freedom of opinion, isn't that somewhat hypocritical or are you being mischievous yet again. His opinion, his money - it's up to him. . I myself would prefer to watch my team at Odsal, as I'm sure the vast majority of City fans would undoubtedly wish to remain at VP - I can totally understand and respect that. . I have little interest in Football but always wish City success- guess it's a form of territorial loyalty. I attended all the Bulls fixtures when they played at VP and other than the shortness of the pitch and over zealous stewarding, I didn't have any problems with it. Yes, I was happy to return to Odsal because for decades, that has been Northern's and Bulls home. Surely people can understand that - on both sides!

dfell wrote:
How do you know it is Lawn/ Rhodes money that is financing this proposal ? I doubt that. Suspect BCFC is a front for a third party. Possibly with a view of moving to VP at some stage.

ricky76 wrote:

raisemeup wrote:

ricky76 wrote:

flashdonut wrote:
Bulls fan here. My honest opinion is it is about time. Share resources, share staff, share facilities. The best way forward. One clb doctor, one physion, one groundsamn. A few people will lose their job, that is a shame. But times are hard. People are out of work all over. The clubs should 'merge' and reduce overheads. Hull FC & Hull City share, as do Wigan's. Has to be done.
.
Question is, where? Bulls to VP? Best stadium without a doubt. Location is iffy, not for where it is but Odsal is bang next to motorway. But Odsal is a dump, no doubting. Most amateur clubs have better facilities.

A very sensible post although a city fan through and through I like to see the Bulls do well too and its about time the clubs maybe looked at about sharing.Osdal has a great history in terms of Rugby and not forgetting the likes of speedway however the place quite bluntly needs a heck of a load of redeveloping to anywhere near the standard required to suit both parties. Valley Parade has its own history of course but the main thing is its a ground that is modern and although many Bulls fans may say in a bad location it meets the standard for both clubs at this moment in time so if the bulls need to survive surely in the short term at least it makes sense to play at Valley Parade.

Another sensible post there.

The best answer is always in the detail:

Two scenario's both attractive.
But in the long term, the best development is Odsal.

The room for expansion and development is there. and in a way we have a blank canvas, so to speak.

It will take time, but I am sure with the collective will of all parties, hopefully one day we will see the "sporting village" scene in Bradford.

At least someone has the vision, lets hope the silly protectionalists., we encounter, don't hold the sway they think they do.

Vision and progress is what we need, I think a big wadge of cash is also useful. Sadly that's a commodity everyone says they haven't got,even when they have. ie if you ever ask for investment the stock answer is: "The trouble, is there's no money?".

Like say short term VP has got to be the answer long term I can see a new ground being built away from existing stadium like Hull Wigan and Huddersfield have done.

flashdonut wrote:

ricky76 wrote:

raisemeup wrote:

ricky76 wrote:

flashdonut wrote: Bulls fan here. My honest opinion is it is about time. Share resources, share staff, share facilities. The best way forward. One clb doctor, one physion, one groundsamn. A few people will lose their job, that is a shame. But times are hard. People are out of work all over. The clubs should 'merge' and reduce overheads. Hull FC & Hull City share, as do Wigan's. Has to be done. . Question is, where? Bulls to VP? Best stadium without a doubt. Location is iffy, not for where it is but Odsal is bang next to motorway. But Odsal is a dump, no doubting. Most amateur clubs have better facilities.

A very sensible post although a city fan through and through I like to see the Bulls do well too and its about time the clubs maybe looked at about sharing.Osdal has a great history in terms of Rugby and not forgetting the likes of speedway however the place quite bluntly needs a heck of a load of redeveloping to anywhere near the standard required to suit both parties. Valley Parade has its own history of course but the main thing is its a ground that is modern and although many Bulls fans may say in a bad location it meets the standard for both clubs at this moment in time so if the bulls need to survive surely in the short term at least it makes sense to play at Valley Parade.

Another sensible post there. The best answer is always in the detail: Two scenario's both attractive. But in the long term, the best development is Odsal. The room for expansion and development is there. and in a way we have a blank canvas, so to speak. It will take time, but I am sure with the collective will of all parties, hopefully one day we will see the "sporting village" scene in Bradford. At least someone has the vision, lets hope the silly protectionalists., we encounter, don't hold the sway they think they do. Vision and progress is what we need, I think a big wadge of cash is also useful. Sadly that's a commodity everyone says they haven't got,even when they have. ie if you ever ask for investment the stock answer is: "The trouble, is there's no money?".

Like say short term VP has got to be the answer long term I can see a new ground being built away from existing stadium like Hull Wigan and Huddersfield have done.

Odsal has a clause I belive that no building work can be done till 2019. So, Bulls move to VP next season. They split the rent to Gibb. Then 2019, they build a new, 20 000 setaer stadium at Odsal. No more expensive VP debt. Fully designed to be able to extend. Designed around professional Football & Rugby. It gives Rhodes and whoever six years to draft a plan and seek investement. . A purpose bult stadium, with a hotel too. Maybe a new gym, even a training pitch. Less overheads going forward. The council will back the idea. . Just my thoughts, don't bother shooting me down. I could be way off.

tyker2 wrote:
as predicted by me yesterday as follows:

:yker2 says...
4:25pm Wed 8 Aug 12

Reality50 wrote:
The fact is no one is going to make a big offer unless SL membership is guaranteed.Anyone would be crazy to invest and buy a club that is in the Championship with no prospect of promotion.Bulls should be forcibly relegated after the next 4 games but of course they won't as SL and the RFL are bent to the core.Hope Bulls survive but not as an SL club as they gave up all right to being in SL with the farce of the last few months.
precisely:the golden key to unlock this unholy mess is held by the SL.

Could it be the one and only MARL LAWN: it would give him another platform to berate supporters!!

flashdonut wrote:
Bulls fan here. My honest opinion is it is about time. Share resources, share staff, share facilities. The best way forward. One clb doctor, one physion, one groundsamn. A few people will lose their job, that is a shame. But times are hard. People are out of work all over. The clubs should 'merge' and reduce overheads. Hull FC & Hull City share, as do Wigan's. Has to be done.
.
Question is, where? Bulls to VP? Best stadium without a doubt. Location is iffy, not for where it is but Odsal is bang next to motorway. But Odsal is a dump, no doubting. Most amateur clubs have better facilities.

tyker2 wrote:
before we all get carried away by which ground etc there are two onerous leases to sort out. The RFL must have some guarantee from someone to ensure their rent is paid just as Gibb has guarantors for his company's pension fund at VP.

Don't ever think Gibb will fall for a sucker punch about City leaving VP.

The cheapest option will be for the Bulls to play at VP.despite it's limitations for rugby. If that occurs what guarantee is there that the Bulls retain their licence and that would create an almighty pickle.

I do wonder though where Lawn and Rhodes have got the funding for this exercise. funding which seems not to be available to the Bantams!

frickleybantam wrote:
WTF!!!! Have we suddenly found oil under the VP pitch???

We struggle year on year financially and now this. I feal another trip to the dentist coming after another kick in the teeth.

If you have money to spend, spend it on City!!!

THIS NEWS IS A COMPLETE JOKE!!!

flashdonut wrote:
Bulls fan here. My honest opinion is it is about time. Share resources, share staff, share facilities. The best way forward. One clb doctor, one physion, one groundsamn. A few people will lose their job, that is a shame. But times are hard. People are out of work all over. The clubs should 'merge' and reduce overheads. Hull FC & Hull City share, as do Wigan's. Has to be done.
.
Question is, where? Bulls to VP? Best stadium without a doubt. Location is iffy, not for where it is but Odsal is bang next to motorway. But Odsal is a dump, no doubting. Most amateur clubs have better facilities.

Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:
You don't get to vote, why should you, your pots are broke, when people pee it runs all over the floor. Businessmen are trying to buy a business, they now do not care what you think, what you want. They will either buy and save the business, hopefully taking it on from there and strengthening it or it will be rejected again. At no point during any of this will you or any other Bulls/City fan get a say.

Accept the morsels of food thrown your way as beggars do.

Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:
You don't get to vote, why should you, your pots are broke, when people pee it runs all over the floor. Businessmen are trying to buy a business, they now do not care what you think, what you want. They will either buy and save the business, hopefully taking it on from there and strengthening it or it will be rejected again. At no point during any of this will you or any other Bulls/City fan get a say. Accept the morsels of food thrown your way as beggars do.

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
As far as I'm aware, Rhodes is a guarantor on the Valley Parade lease and the lease could only be broken if the club was placed into administation.

Odsal is not up to football league standard in various ways.

These two points alone suggest that City won't be moving to Odsal any time soon.

For the Bulls they have already played at Valley Parade and although the pitch size can be questioned there is no reason why the front 5 rows of the kop couldn't be removed to extend the pitch is there? They are covered up at games anyhow and attendances don't appear to require them.

The RFL though could and probably will stop any move as terms of current lease. With BCFC offering the Bulls another place to go maybe that will weaken the stance on the RFL to try keep hold of the lease and therefore suggest a buyback clause which hasn't been availible as yet.

So now we have a bid where the Bulls will repay all creditors which the RFL have suggested would allow them to keep their SL licence and also allow for the buy back of the Odsal lease as the RFL could see the Bulls uping sticks and moving down to Valley Parade.

If this is the case, BCFC could simply then sell on the club afterward to the ABC group who were wanting these conditions.

Talk about that for adding 2+2 together to get 1495.

BigFigure wrote:

tyker2 wrote:
as predicted by me yesterday as follows:

:yker2 says...
4:25pm Wed 8 Aug 12

Reality50 wrote:
The fact is no one is going to make a big offer unless SL membership is guaranteed.Anyone would be crazy to invest and buy a club that is in the Championship with no prospect of promotion.Bulls should be forcibly relegated after the next 4 games but of course they won't as SL and the RFL are bent to the core.Hope Bulls survive but not as an SL club as they gave up all right to being in SL with the farce of the last few months.
precisely:the golden key to unlock this unholy mess is held by the SL.

Could it be the one and only MARL LAWN: it would give him another platform to berate supporters!!

MARL Lawn? who he? :)

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:

Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:
You don't get to vote, why should you, your pots are broke, when people pee it runs all over the floor. Businessmen are trying to buy a business, they now do not care what you think, what you want. They will either buy and save the business, hopefully taking it on from there and strengthening it or it will be rejected again. At no point during any of this will you or any other Bulls/City fan get a say. Accept the morsels of food thrown your way as beggars do.

I read this and had to laugh.

http://forums.rlfans

.com/viewtopic.php?f

=19&t=534354&amp
;tsmp=13
44509774

The stubborness of some is laughable. They would rather give away their SL status so they don't have to travel a mile or so more to watch the team they support.

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:

Prisoner Cell Block A wrote: You don't get to vote, why should you, your pots are broke, when people pee it runs all over the floor. Businessmen are trying to buy a business, they now do not care what you think, what you want. They will either buy and save the business, hopefully taking it on from there and strengthening it or it will be rejected again. At no point during any of this will you or any other Bulls/City fan get a say. Accept the morsels of food thrown your way as beggars do.

I read this and had to laugh. http://forums.rlfans .com/viewtopic.php?f =19&t=534354&amp
;tsmp=13 44509774 The stubborness of some is laughable. They would rather give away their SL status so they don't have to travel a mile or so more to watch the team they support.

Bone_idle18 wrote:

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:

Prisoner Cell Block A wrote: You don't get to vote, why should you, your pots are broke, when people pee it runs all over the floor. Businessmen are trying to buy a business, they now do not care what you think, what you want. They will either buy and save the business, hopefully taking it on from there and strengthening it or it will be rejected again. At no point during any of this will you or any other Bulls/City fan get a say. Accept the morsels of food thrown your way as beggars do.

I read this and had to laugh. http://forums.rlfans .com/viewtopic.php?f =19&t=534354&amp
; ;tsmp=13 44509774 The stubborness of some is laughable. They would rather give away their SL status so they don't have to travel a mile or so more to watch the team they support.

Thread does not exist. Maybe it's been deleted as it doesn't represent the views of most fans (whatever it said). . I hope you don't think that becuse a couple of fans say stupid stuff, it represents the whole of the bulls fan base? . If a plan can be formulated to get BCFC back up to where they deserve and keep the Bulls in SL, then I'm happy with that. I'm also happy to move to VP if that's what it takes. . Joint season ticket options would help both clubs too, the possibilities are endless. . Lets ignore the Leeds Troll, who's soccer club is stagnating and RL club is on the slide!

Bone_idle18 wrote:

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:

Prisoner Cell Block A wrote: You don't get to vote, why should you, your pots are broke, when people pee it runs all over the floor. Businessmen are trying to buy a business, they now do not care what you think, what you want. They will either buy and save the business, hopefully taking it on from there and strengthening it or it will be rejected again. At no point during any of this will you or any other Bulls/City fan get a say. Accept the morsels of food thrown your way as beggars do.

I read this and had to laugh. http://forums.rlfans .com/viewtopic.php?f =19&t=534354&amp
; ;tsmp=13 44509774 The stubborness of some is laughable. They would rather give away their SL status so they don't have to travel a mile or so more to watch the team they support.

Thread does not exist. Maybe it's been deleted as it doesn't represent the views of most fans (whatever it said). . I hope you don't think that becuse a couple of fans say stupid stuff, it represents the whole of the bulls fan base? . If a plan can be formulated to get BCFC back up to where they deserve and keep the Bulls in SL, then I'm happy with that. I'm also happy to move to VP if that's what it takes. . Joint season ticket options would help both clubs too, the possibilities are endless. . Lets ignore the Leeds Troll, who's soccer club is stagnating and RL club is on the slide!

scandanavian's love child52 wrote:
The predicted VP move comes ever closer followed by the "I cant leave my car there " moaners.

Bone_idle18 wrote:

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:

Prisoner Cell Block A wrote: You don't get to vote, why should you, your pots are broke, when people pee it runs all over the floor. Businessmen are trying to buy a business, they now do not care what you think, what you want. They will either buy and save the business, hopefully taking it on from there and strengthening it or it will be rejected again. At no point during any of this will you or any other Bulls/City fan get a say. Accept the morsels of food thrown your way as beggars do.

I read this and had to laugh. http://forums.rlfans .com/viewtopic.php?f =19&t=534354&amp
; ;tsmp=13 44509774 The stubborness of some is laughable. They would rather give away their SL status so they don't have to travel a mile or so more to watch the team they support.

Thread does not exist. Maybe it's been deleted as it doesn't represent the views of most fans (whatever it said). . I hope you don't think that becuse a couple of fans say stupid stuff, it represents the whole of the bulls fan base? . If a plan can be formulated to get BCFC back up to where they deserve and keep the Bulls in SL, then I'm happy with that. I'm also happy to move to VP if that's what it takes. . Joint season ticket options would help both clubs too, the possibilities are endless. . Lets ignore the Leeds Troll, who's soccer club is stagnating and RL club is on the slide!

Bacon Bantam wrote:

flashdonut wrote:

ricky76 wrote:

raisemeup wrote:

ricky76 wrote:

flashdonut wrote: Bulls fan here. My honest opinion is it is about time. Share resources, share staff, share facilities. The best way forward. One clb doctor, one physion, one groundsamn. A few people will lose their job, that is a shame. But times are hard. People are out of work all over. The clubs should 'merge' and reduce overheads. Hull FC & Hull City share, as do Wigan's. Has to be done. . Question is, where? Bulls to VP? Best stadium without a doubt. Location is iffy, not for where it is but Odsal is bang next to motorway. But Odsal is a dump, no doubting. Most amateur clubs have better facilities.

A very sensible post although a city fan through and through I like to see the Bulls do well too and its about time the clubs maybe looked at about sharing.Osdal has a great history in terms of Rugby and not forgetting the likes of speedway however the place quite bluntly needs a heck of a load of redeveloping to anywhere near the standard required to suit both parties. Valley Parade has its own history of course but the main thing is its a ground that is modern and although many Bulls fans may say in a bad location it meets the standard for both clubs at this moment in time so if the bulls need to survive surely in the short term at least it makes sense to play at Valley Parade.

Another sensible post there. The best answer is always in the detail: Two scenario's both attractive. But in the long term, the best development is Odsal. The room for expansion and development is there. and in a way we have a blank canvas, so to speak. It will take time, but I am sure with the collective will of all parties, hopefully one day we will see the "sporting village" scene in Bradford. At least someone has the vision, lets hope the silly protectionalists., we encounter, don't hold the sway they think they do. Vision and progress is what we need, I think a big wadge of cash is also useful. Sadly that's a commodity everyone says they haven't got,even when they have. ie if you ever ask for investment the stock answer is: "The trouble, is there's no money?".

Like say short term VP has got to be the answer long term I can see a new ground being built away from existing stadium like Hull Wigan and Huddersfield have done.

Odsal has a clause I belive that no building work can be done till 2019. So, Bulls move to VP next season. They split the rent to Gibb. Then 2019, they build a new, 20 000 setaer stadium at Odsal. No more expensive VP debt. Fully designed to be able to extend. Designed around professional Football & Rugby. It gives Rhodes and whoever six years to draft a plan and seek investement. . A purpose bult stadium, with a hotel too. Maybe a new gym, even a training pitch. Less overheads going forward. The council will back the idea. . Just my thoughts, don't bother shooting me down. I could be way off.

No more expensive VP debt? So building a brand new 20k stadium is the cheaper option is it.

The council would be murdered for funding such a thing when cuts are being made across the board and with their track record who would trust them anyhow (remember the Wembley of the North?)

bartsbull wrote:
First this could be good news for both sets of fans and Odsal and Bradford City could be used for development There is a very lage plot of land at the side of the new M& S where a new stadium for both clubs could be built. Which will benefit both clubs for them to improve the facilities so everyone wins all round. The council get the ground required for development and housing and the clubs get a new stadium just a thought

flashdonut wrote:

Bacon Bantam wrote:

flashdonut wrote:

ricky76 wrote:

raisemeup wrote:

ricky76 wrote:

flashdonut wrote: Bulls fan here. My honest opinion is it is about time. Share resources, share staff, share facilities. The best way forward. One clb doctor, one physion, one groundsamn. A few people will lose their job, that is a shame. But times are hard. People are out of work all over. The clubs should 'merge' and reduce overheads. Hull FC & Hull City share, as do Wigan's. Has to be done. . Question is, where? Bulls to VP? Best stadium without a doubt. Location is iffy, not for where it is but Odsal is bang next to motorway. But Odsal is a dump, no doubting. Most amateur clubs have better facilities.

A very sensible post although a city fan through and through I like to see the Bulls do well too and its about time the clubs maybe looked at about sharing.Osdal has a great history in terms of Rugby and not forgetting the likes of speedway however the place quite bluntly needs a heck of a load of redeveloping to anywhere near the standard required to suit both parties. Valley Parade has its own history of course but the main thing is its a ground that is modern and although many Bulls fans may say in a bad location it meets the standard for both clubs at this moment in time so if the bulls need to survive surely in the short term at least it makes sense to play at Valley Parade.

Another sensible post there. The best answer is always in the detail: Two scenario's both attractive. But in the long term, the best development is Odsal. The room for expansion and development is there. and in a way we have a blank canvas, so to speak. It will take time, but I am sure with the collective will of all parties, hopefully one day we will see the "sporting village" scene in Bradford. At least someone has the vision, lets hope the silly protectionalists., we encounter, don't hold the sway they think they do. Vision and progress is what we need, I think a big wadge of cash is also useful. Sadly that's a commodity everyone says they haven't got,even when they have. ie if you ever ask for investment the stock answer is: "The trouble, is there's no money?".

Like say short term VP has got to be the answer long term I can see a new ground being built away from existing stadium like Hull Wigan and Huddersfield have done.

Odsal has a clause I belive that no building work can be done till 2019. So, Bulls move to VP next season. They split the rent to Gibb. Then 2019, they build a new, 20 000 setaer stadium at Odsal. No more expensive VP debt. Fully designed to be able to extend. Designed around professional Football & Rugby. It gives Rhodes and whoever six years to draft a plan and seek investement. . A purpose bult stadium, with a hotel too. Maybe a new gym, even a training pitch. Less overheads going forward. The council will back the idea. . Just my thoughts, don't bother shooting me down. I could be way off.

No more expensive VP debt? So building a brand new 20k stadium is the cheaper option is it. The council would be murdered for funding such a thing when cuts are being made across the board and with their track record who would trust them anyhow (remember the Wembley of the North?)

In the long term, yes.

Shelfrhino wrote:
This seems to make perfect sense, why have two separate grounds when it would make much more sense to keep both steaming piles of s**t in one place.

I'm Brian and so's my wife,
Make odslum the Etihad of Yorkshire? Really, you can't be serious?

bettyswollocks wrote:
The more I've thought about this today, the more I've come to the conclusion that this is one of the most hair-brained ideas I've heard.

There is no way in the world this could ever work unless they plan on running them as they are now, two completely separate entities.

I'm a City fan of 30 years and twice I've seen my club almost cease to exist. The bulls or whatever they were then couldn't care less.

City now seem to have a level footing financially, mainly thanks to the funding and financing from the Rhodes family and Mark Lawn. I cannot believe they would put this at risk by taking on the bulls.

As far as rugby is concerned it's anybody but the bulls for me. Any joining with them would make it difficult to keep supporting City to the extent that I do. I'm not the only one that feels this way and I'm sure there are a lot of bulls fans that feel similar about us.

Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:
I'd be unimpressed if we had to play at Odsal but as we have had that forced on us, and received with thanks for the use, once over I would still go watch there if it meant continuation of my club, better than nomadic or non-existent every time.

What amuses me whenever these arguments crop up is that the proximity to the motorway is always mentioned. Now I would have thought a small percentage of home fans from both clubs would have travelled to either ground via the motorway and away fans would not care one little bit about travelling a further two miles, if they arrive by car, from the top of the 606 to Manningham as they have already come much further anyway.

Also, the two train stations are bang in the middle of town and closer to VP than Odsal, as is the main bus station. It has always seemed a red herring argument to my mind.

tyker2 wrote:

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
As far as I'm aware, Rhodes is a guarantor on the Valley Parade lease and the lease could only be broken if the club was placed into administation.

Odsal is not up to football league standard in various ways.

These two points alone suggest that City won't be moving to Odsal any time soon.

For the Bulls they have already played at Valley Parade and although the pitch size can be questioned there is no reason why the front 5 rows of the kop couldn't be removed to extend the pitch is there? They are covered up at games anyhow and attendances don't appear to require them.

The RFL though could and probably will stop any move as terms of current lease. With BCFC offering the Bulls another place to go maybe that will weaken the stance on the RFL to try keep hold of the lease and therefore suggest a buyback clause which hasn't been availible as yet.

So now we have a bid where the Bulls will repay all creditors which the RFL have suggested would allow them to keep their SL licence and also allow for the buy back of the Odsal lease as the RFL could see the Bulls uping sticks and moving down to Valley Parade.

If this is the case, BCFC could simply then sell on the club afterward to the ABC group who were wanting these conditions.

Talk about that for adding 2+2 together to get 1495.

don't follow your logic here fella. A guarantor protects the lender from an administration/liqui

daton. That is why when lending to a limited liability company or entering onto a lease with such a personal guarantee is given to the landlord by an individual in the event the company cannot pay.

So if City decide to go into administration ( irrespective of points deductions etc and possibly more) then the guarantor has to pay that which he has guaranteed to be paid. A similar situation arises if City decide to up sticks and move elsewhere. That rent would still have to be paid the tenant or the guarantor.

So the various lease have to be sorted out one way or another. One way is to buy the lease out but the directors of city have previously stated that they cannot afford that option!!

Severe financial problems exist on the grounds before a decision is made as to which venue is used.

Ashbantam wrote:

Laney1989 wrote:

Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:

Laney1989 wrote:

bantamcougar wrote:

Laney1989 wrote:
Oh here we go again...
Change the record BantamCougar you are boring me.

Marching on together

Yeah exactly clown.
Anyway I'd concentrate on that Cougar's side of yours.
Do you want 50p? HAHA

So we have a city fan who supports Keighley Cougars having a go at a City fan cos he supports Leeds Rhinos, go on then, explain the difference.

Is it because one of them has a chip on his shoulder about being a small club?

On topic: wtf?? where did this come from?? what, where, who, when,why? Going to be interesting to see how it develops.

What I will say is I think we all, as Bradford sports fans have been dealt some rough hands in the past, maybe it is time to bury our hatchets and come together to maintain first class sport in the city and progrees it from first class to world class, in the Bulls case, again.

For some reason he's got a chip on his shoulder about me supporting Bradford City & Leeds Rhinos.
.
People who know me know my reasons.
.
That's it really.

There's no acceptable reason for it, I mean you sing marching on together for god sake, how can you do that it's not even a Rhinos song.

Ralphie wrote:
I think that the rent for Odsal is £78,000 a year which is probably what clubs would have to pay to a reasonable Super League player and the RFL are responsible for maintenance etc. I suppose as long as you pay the rent you do n't actually have to play there!

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
There is still time for Park Avenue to put in a rival bid.

bobby98007 wrote:

tyker2 wrote:

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
As far as I'm aware, Rhodes is a guarantor on the Valley Parade lease and the lease could only be broken if the club was placed into administation.

Odsal is not up to football league standard in various ways.

These two points alone suggest that City won't be moving to Odsal any time soon.

For the Bulls they have already played at Valley Parade and although the pitch size can be questioned there is no reason why the front 5 rows of the kop couldn't be removed to extend the pitch is there? They are covered up at games anyhow and attendances don't appear to require them.

The RFL though could and probably will stop any move as terms of current lease. With BCFC offering the Bulls another place to go maybe that will weaken the stance on the RFL to try keep hold of the lease and therefore suggest a buyback clause which hasn't been availible as yet.

So now we have a bid where the Bulls will repay all creditors which the RFL have suggested would allow them to keep their SL licence and also allow for the buy back of the Odsal lease as the RFL could see the Bulls uping sticks and moving down to Valley Parade.

If this is the case, BCFC could simply then sell on the club afterward to the ABC group who were wanting these conditions.

Talk about that for adding 2+2 together to get 1495.

don't follow your logic here fella. A guarantor protects the lender from an administration/liqui


daton. That is why when lending to a limited liability company or entering onto a lease with such a personal guarantee is given to the landlord by an individual in the event the company cannot pay.

So if City decide to go into administration ( irrespective of points deductions etc and possibly more) then the guarantor has to pay that which he has guaranteed to be paid. A similar situation arises if City decide to up sticks and move elsewhere. That rent would still have to be paid the tenant or the guarantor.

So the various lease have to be sorted out one way or another. One way is to buy the lease out but the directors of city have previously stated that they cannot afford that option!!

Severe financial problems exist on the grounds before a decision is made as to which venue is used.

Ive not read every single post on here, so ill make this point and hope im not covering old ground.

City cannot move away from VP without going into administration and leaving with a CVA.

Bulls have an agreement with the RFL that they will play rugby @ Odsal.

Arent Bulls already in administration? Therefore the RFL contract can be broken and Bulls moved to VP relativley cheaply (2 pence in the £ seems like the going rate) under a CVA?

LuvFootball wrote:

Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:
You don't get to vote, why should you, your pots are broke, when people pee it runs all over the floor. Businessmen are trying to buy a business, they now do not care what you think, what you want. They will either buy and save the business, hopefully taking it on from there and strengthening it or it will be rejected again. At no point during any of this will you or any other Bulls/City fan get a say.

Accept the morsels of food thrown your way as beggars do.

Agree with you there. You hear that if someone is a paying fan they SHOULD have a say what the owners do. Why should we? I have paid hundreds on Microsoft software, should that give me a right to tell Bill gates what he can spend his money on? I have spent thousands on Virgin products, does that give me a say what companies Richard Branson can buy or industries he can buy into? I have spent thousands on Ford, Skoda and Vauxhall products, does that give me a right to tell Ford, VW or General motors which manufacturers they can buy and sell?

Once you spend your money on a season ticket, that money is no longer your's believe it or not, and have no right on how to say that money is then spent. That money then becomes the property of the owner of said company.

All sets of fans should welcome this, IF it isn't viable, City will just cut ties, but look at Rhinos and Tykes, look at Hull, Wigan and more recently look at Ashley looking to invest into Rangers. Because someone owns 1 club that does not mean they can not own another or invest elsewhere, especially if there are benefits for both clubs.

There are many petty idiots on these blogs, Ken Morrison is slated because he doesn't waste millions on City. To be honest, if I was as rich as him, I really wouldn't put it into City or the Bulls, but I am thankful that there are people that are and the ones running City I do trust.

Mumby was the best wrote:
Hi Betty you say "As far as rugby is concerned it's anybody but the bulls for me. Any joining with them would make it difficult to keep supporting City to the extent that I do. I'm not the only one that feels this way and I'm sure there are a lot of bulls fans that feel similar about us." Can I ask why you feel that way? You say lots of fans feel that way, I`ve never found that, I`m not denying there aren`t any but I`m sure not that many. What have the Bulls done wrong to you personally to have so much venom?

bettyswollocks wrote:

Mumby was the best wrote:
Hi Betty you say "As far as rugby is concerned it's anybody but the bulls for me. Any joining with them would make it difficult to keep supporting City to the extent that I do. I'm not the only one that feels this way and I'm sure there are a lot of bulls fans that feel similar about us." Can I ask why you feel that way? You say lots of fans feel that way, I`ve never found that, I`m not denying there aren`t any but I`m sure not that many. What have the Bulls done wrong to you personally to have so much venom?

There are a lot of reasons for my 'anybody but the bulls' attitude, far too many to put on here.

The main one is their arrogant attitude over the years to other local (smaller) clubs, in their transfer dealings, in their genral helpfulness and everything else in general. That only got worse when they rose to the top in their successful spell. Remember the old adage watch who you step on on the way up because you might need them on the way down.

What goes around comes around and I do't want them taking my football club with them.

tyker2 wrote:

bobby98007 wrote:

tyker2 wrote:

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
As far as I'm aware, Rhodes is a guarantor on the Valley Parade lease and the lease could only be broken if the club was placed into administation.

Odsal is not up to football league standard in various ways.

These two points alone suggest that City won't be moving to Odsal any time soon.

For the Bulls they have already played at Valley Parade and although the pitch size can be questioned there is no reason why the front 5 rows of the kop couldn't be removed to extend the pitch is there? They are covered up at games anyhow and attendances don't appear to require them.

The RFL though could and probably will stop any move as terms of current lease. With BCFC offering the Bulls another place to go maybe that will weaken the stance on the RFL to try keep hold of the lease and therefore suggest a buyback clause which hasn't been availible as yet.

So now we have a bid where the Bulls will repay all creditors which the RFL have suggested would allow them to keep their SL licence and also allow for the buy back of the Odsal lease as the RFL could see the Bulls uping sticks and moving down to Valley Parade.

If this is the case, BCFC could simply then sell on the club afterward to the ABC group who were wanting these conditions.

Talk about that for adding 2+2 together to get 1495.

don't follow your logic here fella. A guarantor protects the lender from an administration/liqui



daton. That is why when lending to a limited liability company or entering onto a lease with such a personal guarantee is given to the landlord by an individual in the event the company cannot pay.

So if City decide to go into administration ( irrespective of points deductions etc and possibly more) then the guarantor has to pay that which he has guaranteed to be paid. A similar situation arises if City decide to up sticks and move elsewhere. That rent would still have to be paid the tenant or the guarantor.

So the various lease have to be sorted out one way or another. One way is to buy the lease out but the directors of city have previously stated that they cannot afford that option!!

Severe financial problems exist on the grounds before a decision is made as to which venue is used.

Ive not read every single post on here, so ill make this point and hope im not covering old ground.

City cannot move away from VP without going into administration and leaving with a CVA.

Bulls have an agreement with the RFL that they will play rugby @ Odsal.

Arent Bulls already in administration? Therefore the RFL contract can be broken and Bulls moved to VP relativley cheaply (2 pence in the £ seems like the going rate) under a CVA?

going into administration does not absolve those who have given a personal guarantee. They have to meet the terms of the lease as though they were the person who had the lease. This applies whether the administration pays 2 p in the pound or nowt or if the club goes into a liquidated position. So just giving up a lease because it does not suit the current situation is not an option. These leases have to be sorted out one way or another. One way is for the lease to be bought out by whomsoever is interested in doing so but, for this to happen, there has to be a willing seller. In the case of VP that is the Flamingo Land (or whatever it is called now) pension fund. The main trustee of that fund is Gibb and he has shown no interest in selling up an asset which is returning a very good yield for the pension fund (around10% I believe).

There are some very serious hurdles to jump before ground sharing at either venue can be established

Mumby was the best wrote:
Some posters are saying once the deal goes thru they will sell it to ABC.
ABC wanted the lease and SL place. City have not wanted the conditions, so they would not have the lease.
If they did sell to ABC surely the RL would have to agree to it which I am sure they would not, but dafter things have happened!!

Laney1989 wrote:
I didn't like you yesterday "LuvFootball" but you actually talk sense.
.
Good post again!

LuvFootball wrote:

Mumby was the best wrote:
Some posters are saying once the deal goes thru they will sell it to ABC.
ABC wanted the lease and SL place. City have not wanted the conditions, so they would not have the lease.
If they did sell to ABC surely the RL would have to agree to it which I am sure they would not, but dafter things have happened!!

Then why don't ABC just put in the same offer at City, surely to the RFL, it doesn't matter who owns the Bulls. ABC wanted all the clauses, that is why the RFL didn't accept their offer, so why would they put in a different offer through somebody else when they can so easily do it themselves and be seen as the saviours in all the media.

What logic has ABC go to put an offer through someone else and no doubt having to pay them to do it for them?

Mike Strutter wrote:
New deadline set .

A deadline is a deadline unless you are the administrator of the Bradford Dulls !

Bacon Bantam wrote:
Where is the fella who was slagging off football yesterday, he appears to have not posted in this thread.

Others slating city fans also appear quiet compared to previous threads.

Mumby was the best wrote:

Shelfrhino wrote: This seems to make perfect sense, why have two separate grounds when it would make much more sense to keep both steaming piles of s**t in one place. I'm Brian and so's my wife, Make odslum the Etihad of Yorkshire? Really, you can't be serious?

Now now Tim but Dim my Sweety you should not be so nasty, the last time I had to point things out you ended up blubbing over your keyboard!! denying you were gay (LOL) how you had driven many miles and were oh so tired and put your foot in your mouth. I owned you then and still do, so be a nice boy and keep to the point and not come out with bitchy things.You are a one really ****

Mumby was the best wrote:
Hi Betty you say "As far as rugby is concerned it's anybody but the bulls for me. Any joining with them would make it difficult to keep supporting City to the extent that I do. I'm not the only one that feels this way and I'm sure there are a lot of bulls fans that feel similar about us." Can I ask why you feel that way? You say lots of fans feel that way, I`ve never found that, I`m not denying there aren`t any but I`m sure not that many. What have the Bulls done wrong to you personally to have so much venom?

Bacon Bantam wrote:
Where is the fella who was slagging off football yesterday, he appears to have not posted in this thread.

Others slating city fans also appear quiet compared to previous threads.

nowt fresh wrote:

Mumby was the best wrote: Hi Betty you say "As far as rugby is concerned it's anybody but the bulls for me. Any joining with them would make it difficult to keep supporting City to the extent that I do. I'm not the only one that feels this way and I'm sure there are a lot of bulls fans that feel similar about us." Can I ask why you feel that way? You say lots of fans feel that way, I`ve never found that, I`m not denying there aren`t any but I`m sure not that many. What have the Bulls done wrong to you personally to have so much venom?

She's in a minority on this one Mumby I as a City fan for over 55 years want any Bradford club to survive and prosper (and that includes) Avenue no grudges held here, sad old Betty LOL.

arhmen aleg wrote:

nowt fresh wrote:

Mumby was the best wrote: Hi Betty you say "As far as rugby is concerned it's anybody but the bulls for me. Any joining with them would make it difficult to keep supporting City to the extent that I do. I'm not the only one that feels this way and I'm sure there are a lot of bulls fans that feel similar about us." Can I ask why you feel that way? You say lots of fans feel that way, I`ve never found that, I`m not denying there aren`t any but I`m sure not that many. What have the Bulls done wrong to you personally to have so much venom?

She's in a minority on this one Mumby I as a City fan for over 55 years want any Bradford club to survive and prosper (and that includes) Avenue no grudges held here, sad old Betty LOL.

Well said.
I too wish the best for all three of Brafords clubs.
But please dont think Avenue are in any position to bid.

Or Mark And Julian on their own.

Someone posted some thread that the VP dressing rooms have been altered to accomadate rugby.

The ABC have withdrawn.

Nobby stated Bradford City also need a future or words to that effect.

Methinks the changing of the goalposts is merely a change required as things were not progresssing due to the stringent conditions the RFL maybe set.

And quite right too.

i believe the funding will be coming from the same parties.
It is just the lead that is changed.

Yes there are extremely complicated legal issues with THe RFL ,Flamingo Land Pension Fund,BCFC directors guarantees,Bradford Council conditions of giving away the lease 10 years ago (and a package of 5 million to the Bulls frittered)to overcome in all this.
Plus 1.5 million of debt that the RFL want paying.
It is going to take a lot of skill and negotiation to overcome all this and do what willl ultimately be best for the long term survival of all Brafords cherished sport institutions.

But it appears there is a serious WILL.

And those that have that WILL will take no notice of the small minded individuals on here that cannot see the bigger picture of the long term common good.

Odsal would be best developed.
The RFL could still play a big part

They have 25 million Reality reckons.

they are a big brand.

Nigel Wood is a Bradford lad.

I hope it all works for the best.

why do they play finals at Old Trafford when there is the potential here to join p and create a truly magnificent sporting centre with other parties.

Not a Wembley of the North as noone has the 800 million that cost to rebuild.

But if clubs like Leicester Tigers can develop a ground fit for purpose then The 3 (and Avenue along aswell )could make something truly epic with the odsal site.

Noone has the money or access to funding on their own.

But a partnership to create a Stadium Village up there could if the falling out could be negotiated.

Mumby was the best wrote:

Shelfrhino wrote:
This seems to make perfect sense, why have two separate grounds when it would make much more sense to keep both steaming piles of s**t in one place.

I'm Brian and so's my wife,
Make odslum the Etihad of Yorkshire? Really, you can't be serious?

Now now Tim but Dim my Sweety you should not be so nasty, the last time I had to point things out you ended up blubbing over your keyboard!! denying you were gay (LOL) how you had driven many miles and were oh so tired and put your foot in your mouth. I owned you then and still do, so be a nice boy and keep to the point and not come out with bitchy things.You are a one really ****

Mike Strutter wrote:

arhmen aleg wrote:

nowt fresh wrote:

Mumby was the best wrote: Hi Betty you say "As far as rugby is concerned it's anybody but the bulls for me. Any joining with them would make it difficult to keep supporting City to the extent that I do. I'm not the only one that feels this way and I'm sure there are a lot of bulls fans that feel similar about us." Can I ask why you feel that way? You say lots of fans feel that way, I`ve never found that, I`m not denying there aren`t any but I`m sure not that many. What have the Bulls done wrong to you personally to have so much venom?

She's in a minority on this one Mumby I as a City fan for over 55 years want any Bradford club to survive and prosper (and that includes) Avenue no grudges held here, sad old Betty LOL.

Well said. I too wish the best for all three of Brafords clubs. But please dont think Avenue are in any position to bid. Or Mark And Julian on their own. Someone posted some thread that the VP dressing rooms have been altered to accomadate rugby. The ABC have withdrawn. Nobby stated Bradford City also need a future or words to that effect. Methinks the changing of the goalposts is merely a change required as things were not progresssing due to the stringent conditions the RFL maybe set. And quite right too. i believe the funding will be coming from the same parties. It is just the lead that is changed. Yes there are extremely complicated legal issues with THe RFL ,Flamingo Land Pension Fund,BCFC directors guarantees,Bradford Council conditions of giving away the lease 10 years ago (and a package of 5 million to the Bulls frittered)to overcome in all this. Plus 1.5 million of debt that the RFL want paying. It is going to take a lot of skill and negotiation to overcome all this and do what willl ultimately be best for the long term survival of all Brafords cherished sport institutions. But it appears there is a serious WILL. And those that have that WILL will take no notice of the small minded individuals on here that cannot see the bigger picture of the long term common good. Odsal would be best developed. The RFL could still play a big part They have 25 million Reality reckons. they are a big brand. Nigel Wood is a Bradford lad. I hope it all works for the best. why do they play finals at Old Trafford when there is the potential here to join p and create a truly magnificent sporting centre with other parties. Not a Wembley of the North as noone has the 800 million that cost to rebuild. But if clubs like Leicester Tigers can develop a ground fit for purpose then The 3 (and Avenue along aswell )could make something truly epic with the odsal site. Noone has the money or access to funding on their own. But a partnership to create a Stadium Village up there could if the falling out could be negotiated.

Why do they play the grand final in Manchester ? I can't believe you are dumb enough to ask that ! First of all it's a great stadium with a massive capacity and secondly whilst in an industrial estate it's not far from a good night out. Now if Bradford was lucky enough to have a stadium to rival old Trafford you would have to travel to Leeds for a good night out. Remind me again , is it April 1st ?

Bacon Bantam wrote:

LuvFootball wrote:

Bacon Bantam wrote:

LuvFootball wrote: To everybody moaning about how Rhodes/Lawn spend THEIR money, what God **** business is it of your's? How would you like it if anyone told you you have got no right and can not go to the pub because you didn't buy your neighbour a bottle of wine? If you don't like how Rhodes/Lawn spend THEIR money, spend your own God **** money and buy them out or STF up. People like that do my head in more than the people that moan about either City or the Bulls. Grow up.

Where has this rant come from???????

Look at some of the earlier posts on here from City fans moaning that we have the cash to buy the Bulls but not enough cash to splash it out at VP.

Someone said it before, Valley Parade will not be sold to BCFC whilst Rhodes or Lawn are at the club.

Some fans would moan at anything but thats the truth of the matter.

Also Valley Parade is rumoured to be £5m where as this bid would only require coving of the debts £1.5m and funds to go forward which would also be raised via season ticket monies etc.

LuvFootball wrote:
Just one other thought regards the Lease. I am sure if the lease is affordable, any new owner can pay it, but it does not mean that the club has to play there, so for arguments sake let's say City buy the Bulls, paying a lease of £100k a year for Odsal, there is nothing to stop the Bulls playing at City and then City doing as they wish with Odsal. The ground could be used as a training ground for both clubs, it could be used for the reserves and the youth set up. There have been issues with looking for training facilities for our club, and Odsal could be a "cheap" solution for what it can offer. Not to mention City could still lease out Odsal for major cup ties or other events.

Odsal a training ground, a reserves ground and a youth ground. That is IF there is a lease that can not be broken. Might sound far fetched, but that would cut down on staffing, it would cut down on running costs operating 2 stadia for match days and could increase sponsorship values at VP.

Just a thought that noone on here has thought of. Does anybody really know if any new owners would be stuck in paying a lease for Odsal?

scandanavian's love child52 wrote:
Are you saying you would try find him and beat him up mumby ?

Bacon Bantam wrote:

ricky76 wrote:

raisemeup wrote:

ricky76 wrote:

flashdonut wrote: Bulls fan here. My honest opinion is it is about time. Share resources, share staff, share facilities. The best way forward. One clb doctor, one physion, one groundsamn. A few people will lose their job, that is a shame. But times are hard. People are out of work all over. The clubs should 'merge' and reduce overheads. Hull FC & Hull City share, as do Wigan's. Has to be done. . Question is, where? Bulls to VP? Best stadium without a doubt. Location is iffy, not for where it is but Odsal is bang next to motorway. But Odsal is a dump, no doubting. Most amateur clubs have better facilities.

A very sensible post although a city fan through and through I like to see the Bulls do well too and its about time the clubs maybe looked at about sharing.Osdal has a great history in terms of Rugby and not forgetting the likes of speedway however the place quite bluntly needs a heck of a load of redeveloping to anywhere near the standard required to suit both parties. Valley Parade has its own history of course but the main thing is its a ground that is modern and although many Bulls fans may say in a bad location it meets the standard for both clubs at this moment in time so if the bulls need to survive surely in the short term at least it makes sense to play at Valley Parade.

Another sensible post there. The best answer is always in the detail: Two scenario's both attractive. But in the long term, the best development is Odsal. The room for expansion and development is there. and in a way we have a blank canvas, so to speak. It will take time, but I am sure with the collective will of all parties, hopefully one day we will see the "sporting village" scene in Bradford. At least someone has the vision, lets hope the silly protectionalists., we encounter, don't hold the sway they think they do. Vision and progress is what we need, I think a big wadge of cash is also useful. Sadly that's a commodity everyone says they haven't got,even when they have. ie if you ever ask for investment the stock answer is: "The trouble, is there's no money?".

Like say short term VP has got to be the answer long term I can see a new ground being built away from existing stadium like Hull Wigan and Huddersfield have done.

The council are skint so they couldn't fund a new stadium, also Bulls haven't got a pot to pi55 in. City have suprised me with this bid but have no where near the money required to get a stadium projected past the drawing board.

You might be able to see a new ground being built but please can you tell us where you see the money coming from?

Shelfrhino wrote:
This seems to make perfect sense, why have two separate grounds when it would make much more sense to keep both steaming piles of s**t in one place.

I'm Brian and so's my wife,
Make odslum the Etihad of Yorkshire? Really, you can't be serious?

mdn wrote:

LuvFootball wrote: Just one other thought regards the Lease. I am sure if the lease is affordable, any new owner can pay it, but it does not mean that the club has to play there, so for arguments sake let's say City buy the Bulls, paying a lease of £100k a year for Odsal, there is nothing to stop the Bulls playing at City and then City doing as they wish with Odsal. The ground could be used as a training ground for both clubs, it could be used for the reserves and the youth set up. There have been issues with looking for training facilities for our club, and Odsal could be a "cheap" solution for what it can offer. Not to mention City could still lease out Odsal for major cup ties or other events. Odsal a training ground, a reserves ground and a youth ground. That is IF there is a lease that can not be broken. Might sound far fetched, but that would cut down on staffing, it would cut down on running costs operating 2 stadia for match days and could increase sponsorship values at VP. Just a thought that noone on here has thought of. Does anybody really know if any new owners would be stuck in paying a lease for Odsal?

nothing stopping Bulls playing their games at VP EXCEPT the clause in the odsal settlement that ties us into playing 90% of our home games at odsal until 2019. Failure to do so means paying council a big chunk of settement back, currently about 1.9million iirc, which any buyer would have become liable for.

LuvFootball wrote:

Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:
You don't get to vote, why should you, your pots are broke, when people pee it runs all over the floor. Businessmen are trying to buy a business, they now do not care what you think, what you want. They will either buy and save the business, hopefully taking it on from there and strengthening it or it will be rejected again. At no point during any of this will you or any other Bulls/City fan get a say.

Accept the morsels of food thrown your way as beggars do.

Agree with you there. You hear that if someone is a paying fan they SHOULD have a say what the owners do. Why should we? I have paid hundreds on Microsoft software, should that give me a right to tell Bill gates what he can spend his money on? I have spent thousands on Virgin products, does that give me a say what companies Richard Branson can buy or industries he can buy into? I have spent thousands on Ford, Skoda and Vauxhall products, does that give me a right to tell Ford, VW or General motors which manufacturers they can buy and sell?

Once you spend your money on a season ticket, that money is no longer your's believe it or not, and have no right on how to say that money is then spent. That money then becomes the property of the owner of said company.

All sets of fans should welcome this, IF it isn't viable, City will just cut ties, but look at Rhinos and Tykes, look at Hull, Wigan and more recently look at Ashley looking to invest into Rangers. Because someone owns 1 club that does not mean they can not own another or invest elsewhere, especially if there are benefits for both clubs.

There are many petty idiots on these blogs, Ken Morrison is slated because he doesn't waste millions on City. To be honest, if I was as rich as him, I really wouldn't put it into City or the Bulls, but I am thankful that there are people that are and the ones running City I do trust.

theviking62 wrote:
Three things folks, 1) NO ground share, bulls at odsal, rfl condition. 2) will be run as separate businesses. 3) do we know WHO is providing the money. NO. It won't be City, as a club. But could be Rhodes and Lawn out of their own pocket or just Rhodes.

Bikenshaw Illy wrote:

LuvFootball wrote:

Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:
You don't get to vote, why should you, your pots are broke, when people pee it runs all over the floor. Businessmen are trying to buy a business, they now do not care what you think, what you want. They will either buy and save the business, hopefully taking it on from there and strengthening it or it will be rejected again. At no point during any of this will you or any other Bulls/City fan get a say.

Accept the morsels of food thrown your way as beggars do.

Agree with you there. You hear that if someone is a paying fan they SHOULD have a say what the owners do. Why should we? I have paid hundreds on Microsoft software, should that give me a right to tell Bill gates what he can spend his money on? I have spent thousands on Virgin products, does that give me a say what companies Richard Branson can buy or industries he can buy into? I have spent thousands on Ford, Skoda and Vauxhall products, does that give me a right to tell Ford, VW or General motors which manufacturers they can buy and sell?

Once you spend your money on a season ticket, that money is no longer your's believe it or not, and have no right on how to say that money is then spent. That money then becomes the property of the owner of said company.

All sets of fans should welcome this, IF it isn't viable, City will just cut ties, but look at Rhinos and Tykes, look at Hull, Wigan and more recently look at Ashley looking to invest into Rangers. Because someone owns 1 club that does not mean they can not own another or invest elsewhere, especially if there are benefits for both clubs.

There are many petty idiots on these blogs, Ken Morrison is slated because he doesn't waste millions on City. To be honest, if I was as rich as him, I really wouldn't put it into City or the Bulls, but I am thankful that there are people that are and the ones running City I do trust.

Sure your not ML in disguise? Seariously think you are pal. Readers read this guys posts!

DennisTM wrote:
Viking, If you'd care to post your address on here, I'll pop round to discuss it further with you when I'm next in the area. Meanwhile, I'd appreciate it if you wouldn't throw your insults around anymore and maybe when the information is made public, you can issue an apology on here

scandanavian's love child52 wrote:
1) ABC make offer: bulls fans "It could be a good thing" Bid rejected, bulls fans "Never wanted them anyway " 2) Gerry Sutcliffe makes offer: bulls fans "It could be a good thing as did not like ABC bid anyway " Bid rejected, bulls fans "GS is a **** anyway and was useless as a union rep and politician.What the hell are RFL doing in all this?" 3) SLE make a bid : bulls fans "We are saved the RFL are brilliant thanks Mr Wood etc " City fans go feck off back to your own forum we are back etc." 4) City make an offer: bulls fans " Lets all embrace change and share ground etc" Some serious backtracking by the bulls fans over past few weeks. What next Viking saying he is my friend !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !

Reality001 wrote:

scandanavian's love child52 wrote: 1) ABC make offer: bulls fans "It could be a good thing" Bid rejected, bulls fans "Never wanted them anyway " 2) Gerry Sutcliffe makes offer: bulls fans "It could be a good thing as did not like ABC bid anyway " Bid rejected, bulls fans "GS is a **** anyway and was useless as a union rep and politician.What the hell are RFL doing in all this?" 3) SLE make a bid : bulls fans "We are saved the RFL are brilliant thanks Mr Wood etc " City fans go feck off back to your own forum we are back etc." 4) City make an offer: bulls fans " Lets all embrace change and share ground etc" Some serious backtracking by the bulls fans over past few weeks. What next Viking saying he is my friend !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !

Before going round slagging Gerry Sutcliffe off just remember he was Sports Minister and helped with the team to bring the Olympics to London - What a success !!!

bradmat wrote:
Bradford city do not own a stadium and any deal to own the bulls will give them a chance of actually owning something and odsal will be far cheaper rent than valley parade and shared between 2 clubs.... perfect sense and better location with far more potential

chin up wrote:

bradmat wrote: Bradford city do not own a stadium and any deal to own the bulls will give them a chance of actually owning something and odsal will be far cheaper rent than valley parade and shared between 2 clubs.... perfect sense and better location with far more potential

Do you actually know the circumstances of the rental agreement at VP? Stupid comment really. We will have to pay two rents instead if Odsal cant be included in the deal....we cannot break the lease at VP unless we go into admin. That will mean hell breaking lose amongst City fans as we would be taking a 15 point deduction just to save the Bulls, and not only that would mean risking our league status. Your simple 'plan' really isn't that simple.

arhmen aleg wrote:

mdn wrote:

LuvFootball wrote: Just one other thought regards the Lease. I am sure if the lease is affordable, any new owner can pay it, but it does not mean that the club has to play there, so for arguments sake let's say City buy the Bulls, paying a lease of £100k a year for Odsal, there is nothing to stop the Bulls playing at City and then City doing as they wish with Odsal. The ground could be used as a training ground for both clubs, it could be used for the reserves and the youth set up. There have been issues with looking for training facilities for our club, and Odsal could be a "cheap" solution for what it can offer. Not to mention City could still lease out Odsal for major cup ties or other events. Odsal a training ground, a reserves ground and a youth ground. That is IF there is a lease that can not be broken. Might sound far fetched, but that would cut down on staffing, it would cut down on running costs operating 2 stadia for match days and could increase sponsorship values at VP. Just a thought that noone on here has thought of. Does anybody really know if any new owners would be stuck in paying a lease for Odsal?

nothing stopping Bulls playing their games at VP EXCEPT the clause in the odsal settlement that ties us into playing 90% of our home games at odsal until 2019. Failure to do so means paying council a big chunk of settement back, currently about 1.9million iirc, which any buyer would have become liable for.

Absolutely on the nail about the clawback penalty.
All parties (including the council) need to be involved and probably are.

Including the council the former sports minister and all Bradfords sporting clubs.

Mumby was the best wrote:
By the way as Steampigs said Living in Shelf supporting Rhinos having a new born child it`s rather silly to call both Bradford teams a pile of sh**. When you would not be that hard to locate.
You only talk hard because you sit behind a keyboard and for some reason better known to yourself you like to attempt to wind people up who you have never met, BAFFLING

chin up wrote:
Well as mentioned earlier us City fans might start to question why we haven't been bidding for players under contract at other clubs? Whether or not this bid goes through to purchase Bulls, I really hope we get off to a flyer to keep the boo boys away. Even the most level minded fan like myself are wondering what is going on? We were told recently we couldn't afford Taiwo's compensation fee....or was it a case we didn't think it was an appropiate fee? The other thing is Lawn is saying we shouldn't be expecting stand out signings? Fair enough comment if there is no money to play with, and I'm relatively pleased with squad assembled so far, yet to me if they about to purchase the Bulls (which lets face it will be a few millions) the question about transfer policy comes to mind. I mean can you imagine Parkinson's reaction to this news. Here's a man scrapping around with other clubs for the best freebies, yet there maybe players under contract who demand transfer fees, where a less competitive market is taking place. Lets face it not many clubs in the lower leagues pay significant transfer fees. A million or two for City to spend on players would be brilliant. Anyway lets hope we start the season well, because Parkinson might also start questioning the club's approach for securing league 1 promotion.....after all it was only this week Lawn said we may need to cut back again if we weren't in mix in January. Foot in mouth really when in the same week we are in the process of buying a Rugby League club.....I think I am more confused than anything with the statements made....Is there a benefactor behind all this? Who knows.....more questions than answers to be honest!

chin up wrote:
Well as mentioned earlier us City fans might start to question why we haven't been bidding for players under contract at other clubs? Whether or not this bid goes through to purchase Bulls, I really hope we get off to a flyer to keep the boo boys away. Even the most level minded fan like myself are wondering what is going on? We were told recently we couldn't afford Taiwo's compensation fee....or was it a case we didn't think it was an appropiate fee? The other thing is Lawn is saying we shouldn't be expecting stand out signings? Fair enough comment if there is no money to play with, and I'm relatively pleased with squad assembled so far, yet to me if they about to purchase the Bulls (which lets face it will be a few millions) the question about transfer policy comes to mind. I mean can you imagine Parkinson's reaction to this news. Here's a man scrapping around with other clubs for the best freebies, yet there maybe players under contract who demand transfer fees, where a less competitive market is taking place. Lets face it not many clubs in the lower leagues pay significant transfer fees. A million or two for City to spend on players would be brilliant. Anyway lets hope we start the season well, because Parkinson might also start questioning the club's approach for securing league 1 promotion.....after all it was only this week Lawn said we may need to cut back again if we weren't in mix in January. Foot in mouth really when in the same week we are in the process of buying a Rugby League club.....I think I am more confused than anything with the statements made....Is there a benefactor behind all this? Who knows.....more questions than answers to be honest!

Meat Pie wrote:
Lawn should use this money to buy Messi instead.

Shelfrhino wrote:

Mumby was the best wrote:
By the way as Steampigs said Living in Shelf supporting Rhinos having a new born child it`s rather silly to call both Bradford teams a pile of sh**. When you would not be that hard to locate.
You only talk hard because you sit behind a keyboard and for some reason better known to yourself you like to attempt to wind people up who you have never met, BAFFLING

Here's another clue, for the next month at least I'll be living in my house which was built in the last six years.
If your feeling confident, come on down and introduce yourself, I don't do talking hard via a keyboard, I leave that to idiots like you and the steaming thing.

Mumby was the best wrote:

bettyswollocks wrote:

Mumby was the best wrote: Hi Betty you say "As far as rugby is concerned it's anybody but the bulls for me. Any joining with them would make it difficult to keep supporting City to the extent that I do. I'm not the only one that feels this way and I'm sure there are a lot of bulls fans that feel similar about us." Can I ask why you feel that way? You say lots of fans feel that way, I`ve never found that, I`m not denying there aren`t any but I`m sure not that many. What have the Bulls done wrong to you personally to have so much venom?

There are a lot of reasons for my 'anybody but the bulls' attitude, far too many to put on here. The main one is their arrogant attitude over the years to other local (smaller) clubs, in their transfer dealings, in their genral helpfulness and everything else in general. That only got worse when they rose to the top in their successful spell. Remember the old adage watch who you step on on the way up because you might need them on the way down. What goes around comes around and I do't want them taking my football club with them.

Where has it been reported this arrogant attitude?, who are these local smaller clubs? Whats everything else in general. Methinks your views are tinged with green and not facts, but if thats the way you feel so be it.

HongKong wrote:

chin up wrote:
Well as mentioned earlier us City fans might start to question why we haven't been bidding for players under contract at other clubs? Whether or not this bid goes through to purchase Bulls, I really hope we get off to a flyer to keep the boo boys away. Even the most level minded fan like myself are wondering what is going on? We were told recently we couldn't afford Taiwo's compensation fee....or was it a case we didn't think it was an appropiate fee? The other thing is Lawn is saying we shouldn't be expecting stand out signings? Fair enough comment if there is no money to play with, and I'm relatively pleased with squad assembled so far, yet to me if they about to purchase the Bulls (which lets face it will be a few millions) the question about transfer policy comes to mind. I mean can you imagine Parkinson's reaction to this news. Here's a man scrapping around with other clubs for the best freebies, yet there maybe players under contract who demand transfer fees, where a less competitive market is taking place. Lets face it not many clubs in the lower leagues pay significant transfer fees. A million or two for City to spend on players would be brilliant. Anyway lets hope we start the season well, because Parkinson might also start questioning the club's approach for securing league 1 promotion.....after all it was only this week Lawn said we may need to cut back again if we weren't in mix in January. Foot in mouth really when in the same week we are in the process of buying a Rugby League club.....I think I am more confused than anything with the statements made....Is there a benefactor behind all this? Who knows.....more questions than answers to be honest!

Spending money on players or buying the Bulls is almost certainly two entirely different sources of capital. The cash (if any) to buy the Bulls is not depriving the playing squad budget.

Rhodes and Lawn must beleive they can create additional value to both teams through synergies and reducing the overheads that presumably the merger would bring (shared ground, reduced back office wages, government grants, etc.)

I would imagine the cash for the bid is either backed by an additional investor (or it could even be financed via debt) who is interested in the additional value the proposal to buy the Bulls brings to both clubs (and it could well be the Rhodes family).

I'd think therefore that this new proposal is attracting new cash whereas simply increasing the spending budget on players is not an attractive option. Therefore the bid has no bearing on the playing budget at all....except if the bid is successfull and stregthens the club's financial position (like Lawn and Rhodes must beleive it will) then the playing budget will increase in future years.

Rhodes and Lawn aren't stupid and if (and it is still an if) this goes through and they've got there business plan correct then this can only benefit both clubs.

Shelfrhino wrote:

Mumby was the best wrote:

Shelfrhino wrote:
This seems to make perfect sense, why have two separate grounds when it would make much more sense to keep both steaming piles of s**t in one place.

I'm Brian and so's my wife,
Make odslum the Etihad of Yorkshire? Really, you can't be serious?

Now now Tim but Dim my Sweety you should not be so nasty, the last time I had to point things out you ended up blubbing over your keyboard!! denying you were gay (LOL) how you had driven many miles and were oh so tired and put your foot in your mouth. I owned you then and still do, so be a nice boy and keep to the point and not come out with bitchy things.You are a one really ****

You aren't bright enough to own anything pal, even the stars on your McDonalds badge belong to them.
Once you start silly name calling you know your beaten.

Oh by the way, Mumby was crap.

Shelfrhino wrote:

Mumby was the best wrote:

Shelfrhino wrote:
This seems to make perfect sense, why have two separate grounds when it would make much more sense to keep both steaming piles of s**t in one place.

I'm Brian and so's my wife,
Make odslum the Etihad of Yorkshire? Really, you can't be serious?

Now now Tim but Dim my Sweety you should not be so nasty, the last time I had to point things out you ended up blubbing over your keyboard!! denying you were gay (LOL) how you had driven many miles and were oh so tired and put your foot in your mouth. I owned you then and still do, so be a nice boy and keep to the point and not come out with bitchy things.You are a one really ****

You aren't bright enough to own anything pal, even the stars on your McDonalds badge belong to them.
Once you start silly name calling you know your beaten.

Oh by the way, Mumby was crap.

raisemeup wrote:

Shelfrhino wrote:

Mumby was the best wrote:

Shelfrhino wrote:
This seems to make perfect sense, why have two separate grounds when it would make much more sense to keep both steaming piles of s**t in one place.

I'm Brian and so's my wife,
Make odslum the Etihad of Yorkshire? Really, you can't be serious?

Now now Tim but Dim my Sweety you should not be so nasty, the last time I had to point things out you ended up blubbing over your keyboard!! denying you were gay (LOL) how you had driven many miles and were oh so tired and put your foot in your mouth. I owned you then and still do, so be a nice boy and keep to the point and not come out with bitchy things.You are a one really ****

You aren't bright enough to own anything pal, even the stars on your McDonalds badge belong to them.
Once you start silly name calling you know your beaten.

Oh by the way, Mumby was crap.

Be careful there SR, good job you're moving that's where keith lives.. Shelf!

He probably wouldn't soil his hands on you, but his wife?? Different proposition altogether>

By the way, I suspect if all the rumours about you are true.(I wouldn't jknow or even care.Because I don't assume malice, for what stupidity can explain)
You will be relishing tonights game at Leeds agaist Widnes.

Understand it's a Rainbow special, something to do with Gay and Lesbians, I think. Even having a rainbow coloured Ball???

Hope you enjoy it.

Laney1989 wrote:
Can I put this saga to bed? . I was at the forum last night and Bradford City Football Club have NOT placed any bids what so ever for the Bradford Bulls. . They simply offered advice and guidance as BCFC have been in the same situation before. . Late on Wednesday evening there was a bid put in place for the Bulls . The T&A got wind of this then put two and two together and got 6. . Very poor reporting in my eyes.

Scoular's left boot wrote:
City and Bulls play at V.P.. Then the Avenue,once they are back in football league, could move to Odsal. sorted.....

chin up wrote:
Well as mentioned earlier us City fans might start to question why we haven't been bidding for players under contract at other clubs?

Whether or not this bid goes through to purchase Bulls, I really hope we get off to a flyer to keep the boo boys away. Even the most level minded fan like myself are wondering what is going on? We were told recently we couldn't afford Taiwo's compensation fee....or was it a case we didn't think it was an appropiate fee?

The other thing is Lawn is saying we shouldn't be expecting stand out signings? Fair enough comment if there is no money to play with, and I'm relatively pleased with squad assembled so far, yet to me if they about to purchase the Bulls (which lets face it will be a few millions) the question about transfer policy comes to mind. I mean can you imagine Parkinson's reaction to this news. Here's a man scrapping around with other clubs for the best freebies, yet there maybe players under contract who demand transfer fees, where a less competitive market is taking place. Lets face it not many clubs in the lower leagues pay significant transfer fees. A million or two for City to spend on players would be brilliant.

Anyway lets hope we start the season well, because Parkinson might also start questioning the club's approach for securing league 1 promotion.....after all it was only this week Lawn said we may need to cut back again if we weren't in mix in January. Foot in mouth really when in the same week we are in the process of buying a Rugby League club.....I think I am more confused than anything with the statements made....Is there a benefactor behind all this? Who knows.....more questions than answers to be honest!

lonniejockstrap wrote:

chin up wrote: Well as mentioned earlier us City fans might start to question why we haven't been bidding for players under contract at other clubs? Whether or not this bid goes through to purchase Bulls, I really hope we get off to a flyer to keep the boo boys away. Even the most level minded fan like myself are wondering what is going on? We were told recently we couldn't afford Taiwo's compensation fee....or was it a case we didn't think it was an appropiate fee? The other thing is Lawn is saying we shouldn't be expecting stand out signings? Fair enough comment if there is no money to play with, and I'm relatively pleased with squad assembled so far, yet to me if they about to purchase the Bulls (which lets face it will be a few millions) the question about transfer policy comes to mind. I mean can you imagine Parkinson's reaction to this news. Here's a man scrapping around with other clubs for the best freebies, yet there maybe players under contract who demand transfer fees, where a less competitive market is taking place. Lets face it not many clubs in the lower leagues pay significant transfer fees. A million or two for City to spend on players would be brilliant. Anyway lets hope we start the season well, because Parkinson might also start questioning the club's approach for securing league 1 promotion.....after all it was only this week Lawn said we may need to cut back again if we weren't in mix in January. Foot in mouth really when in the same week we are in the process of buying a Rugby League club.....I think I am more confused than anything with the statements made....Is there a benefactor behind all this? Who knows.....more questions than answers to be honest!

Lawn did NOT say 'we shouldn't be expecting stand out signings' on the contrary, he said that he believed that the signings were very good and came in for a lot of the usual criticism for daring to challenge SOME supporters who didn't think the signings were that impressive.

raisemeup wrote:

Shelfrhino wrote:

Mumby was the best wrote:

Shelfrhino wrote:
This seems to make perfect sense, why have two separate grounds when it would make much more sense to keep both steaming piles of s**t in one place.

I'm Brian and so's my wife,
Make odslum the Etihad of Yorkshire? Really, you can't be serious?

Now now Tim but Dim my Sweety you should not be so nasty, the last time I had to point things out you ended up blubbing over your keyboard!! denying you were gay (LOL) how you had driven many miles and were oh so tired and put your foot in your mouth. I owned you then and still do, so be a nice boy and keep to the point and not come out with bitchy things.You are a one really ****

You aren't bright enough to own anything pal, even the stars on your McDonalds badge belong to them.
Once you start silly name calling you know your beaten.

Oh by the way, Mumby was crap.

Be careful there SR, good job you're moving that's where keith lives.. Shelf!

He probably wouldn't soil his hands on you, but his wife?? Different proposition altogether>

By the way, I suspect if all the rumours about you are true.(I wouldn't jknow or even care.Because I don't assume malice, for what stupidity can explain)
You will be relishing tonights game at Leeds agaist Widnes.

Understand it's a Rainbow special, something to do with Gay and Lesbians, I think. Even having a rainbow coloured Ball???

Hope you enjoy it.

nowt fresh wrote:

lonniejockstrap wrote:

chin up wrote: Well as mentioned earlier us City fans might start to question why we haven't been bidding for players under contract at other clubs? Whether or not this bid goes through to purchase Bulls, I really hope we get off to a flyer to keep the boo boys away. Even the most level minded fan like myself are wondering what is going on? We were told recently we couldn't afford Taiwo's compensation fee....or was it a case we didn't think it was an appropiate fee? The other thing is Lawn is saying we shouldn't be expecting stand out signings? Fair enough comment if there is no money to play with, and I'm relatively pleased with squad assembled so far, yet to me if they about to purchase the Bulls (which lets face it will be a few millions) the question about transfer policy comes to mind. I mean can you imagine Parkinson's reaction to this news. Here's a man scrapping around with other clubs for the best freebies, yet there maybe players under contract who demand transfer fees, where a less competitive market is taking place. Lets face it not many clubs in the lower leagues pay significant transfer fees. A million or two for City to spend on players would be brilliant. Anyway lets hope we start the season well, because Parkinson might also start questioning the club's approach for securing league 1 promotion.....after all it was only this week Lawn said we may need to cut back again if we weren't in mix in January. Foot in mouth really when in the same week we are in the process of buying a Rugby League club.....I think I am more confused than anything with the statements made....Is there a benefactor behind all this? Who knows.....more questions than answers to be honest!

Lawn did NOT say 'we shouldn't be expecting stand out signings' on the contrary, he said that he believed that the signings were very good and came in for a lot of the usual criticism for daring to challenge SOME supporters who didn't think the signings were that impressive.

Lets wait and see how the new lads perform before saying they are good,bad or indifferent,I hope like all City fans this is the year but we have had so many false dawns in the past,as I say lets see what this season pans out like ?.

nowt fresh wrote:
Where have I disagreed with you lonniejockstrap ?just pointing out we've been here before remember Docherty,Lee,Bouldin g,McLaren,ETC the list is endless all players the manager at the time thought was good enough to improve Bradford City as a team and it did not happen, so it does not matter what expectations Mark Lawn,Phil Parkinson or us fans have of our new arrivals it down to the player performances not reputations, the daft thing is the lad who nearly everyone is writing off Atkinson my turn out to be the player who turns our season around, so I'll say again lonniejockstrap it's about opinions Mark Lawn has his and so fans have a different opinion.

nowt fresh wrote:
Where have I disagreed with you lonniejockstrap ?just pointing out we've been here before remember Docherty,Lee,Bouldin

g,McLaren,ETC the list is endless all players the manager at the time thought was good enough to improve Bradford City as a team and it did not happen, so it does not matter what expectations Mark Lawn,Phil Parkinson or us fans have of our new arrivals it down to the player performances not reputations, the daft thing is the lad who nearly everyone is writing off Atkinson my turn out to be the player who turns our season around, so I'll say again lonniejockstrap it's about opinions Mark Lawn has his and so fans have a different opinion.

jamiejoe wrote:
i really don't know what is going on here, if we can help out then that seems good. but - why would we make a better offer than the Super League clubs - who must know the value of the rugby league club and the game more than City do? i have only read half this thread - does anyone know the real story here?? thanks

nowt fresh wrote:

jamiejoe wrote: i really don't know what is going on here, if we can help out then that seems good. but - why would we make a better offer than the Super League clubs - who must know the value of the rugby league club and the game more than City do? i have only read half this thread - does anyone know the real story here?? thanks

Possibly the only comment on here with any credibility !!! Laney1989 wrote: Can I put this saga to bed? . I was at the forum last night and Bradford City Football Club have NOT placed any bids what so ever for the Bradford Bulls. . They simply offered advice and guidance as BCFC have been in the same situation before. . Late on Wednesday evening there was a bid put in place for the Bulls . The T&A got wind of this then put two and two together and got 6. . Very poor reporting in my eyes.

nowt fresh wrote:

jamiejoe wrote:
i really don't know what is going on here, if we can help out then that seems good. but - why would we make a better offer than the Super League clubs - who must know the value of the rugby league club and the game more than City do? i have only read half this thread - does anyone know the real story here?? thanks

Possibly the only comment on here with any credibility !!!
Laney1989 wrote:
Can I put this saga to bed? . I was at the forum last night and Bradford City Football Club have NOT placed any bids what so ever for the Bradford Bulls. . They simply offered advice and guidance as BCFC have been in the same situation before. . Late on Wednesday evening there was a bid put in place for the Bulls . The T&A got wind of this then put two and two together and got 6. . Very poor reporting in my eyes.

lonniejockstrap wrote:

nowt fresh wrote:

jamiejoe wrote: i really don't know what is going on here, if we can help out then that seems good. but - why would we make a better offer than the Super League clubs - who must know the value of the rugby league club and the game more than City do? i have only read half this thread - does anyone know the real story here?? thanks

Possibly the only comment on here with any credibility !!! Laney1989 wrote: Can I put this saga to bed? . I was at the forum last night and Bradford City Football Club have NOT placed any bids what so ever for the Bradford Bulls. . They simply offered advice and guidance as BCFC have been in the same situation before. . Late on Wednesday evening there was a bid put in place for the Bulls . The T&A got wind of this then put two and two together and got 6. . Very poor reporting in my eyes.

According to Julian Rhodes there WAS a BID: “We said we would help if there was nobody else. If they have other genuine bids then we might leave them to it, but we will see next week. “The RFL knows details of our bid and has asked for more information, which we will supply.” Note he uses the words 'our bid'.

mike rhodes wrote:
ask the owner of AWM on cannal road to take over, a man who gets things done. He could move bulls to city for a few years, fill odsal with rubbish rrom all over the north with were it it sited. Build a new ground on the site, and still make a few mill for him self. He would not let gibb mess him around. He could buy VP and cut the rent for the few years they use it, with the profit he takes from filling Odsal. Easy.

nowt fresh wrote:

lonniejockstrap wrote:

nowt fresh wrote:

jamiejoe wrote: i really don't know what is going on here, if we can help out then that seems good. but - why would we make a better offer than the Super League clubs - who must know the value of the rugby league club and the game more than City do? i have only read half this thread - does anyone know the real story here?? thanks

Possibly the only comment on here with any credibility !!! Laney1989 wrote: Can I put this saga to bed? . I was at the forum last night and Bradford City Football Club have NOT placed any bids what so ever for the Bradford Bulls. . They simply offered advice and guidance as BCFC have been in the same situation before. . Late on Wednesday evening there was a bid put in place for the Bulls . The T&A got wind of this then put two and two together and got 6. . Very poor reporting in my eyes.

According to Julian Rhodes there WAS a BID: “We said we would help if there was nobody else. If they have other genuine bids then we might leave them to it, but we will see next week. “The RFL knows details of our bid and has asked for more information, which we will supply.” Note he uses the words 'our bid'.

Are you privy to inside information lonniejockstrap or can you tell us where the above statement was published ?.