Bradford City put an end to Messi affair (From Bradford Telegraph and Argus)

oh look lawn as put his foot in it again and alienated the fans to boot!!
does he not listen to the fans?
most people are excited about the new season and why mention messi and ronaldo?
why do this story at all and why mention bulls?
its not like we have not done it before!
idiot as no clue!
put me in a good mood before park avenue game, not!!

O dear Mr Lawn - you have done it again!
When are you ever going to learn - keep it shut!!!!

“Unfortunately I don’t think there’s a benefactor going to come along for Bradford City. So we’ve got to run to break even.”
wish we could then we could get shut of this numpty!!

Who has been moaning? Where is he monitoring these days as he's shut down the OMB so who's moaning and where?

Amazing.

Lawn's mistake was promising all these eye catching signings in the first place. He did that to try to sell season tickets and to be fair it has worked.

What Lawn didn't count on and probably didn't realise is that his idea of eye catching and some of our fans' ideas of eye catching are vastly different.

He's right what he says though, most of our signings look to be very good on paper and in the context of the competition we had to beat off to get them. Most fans realise that and like me are quietly hopeful we will have a good season. Unfortunately we do have a few "fans" that wouldn't be happy unless we were breaking the bank signing stars left right and centre and we all know what happened last time we did that.

Unless Lawn is taken out of context every time, why does he always have to comment in such an ar$ey way towards the fans? Makes him look more like an oaf every time.

I've no idea why people get so upset at Lawn, he's not said anything that isn't correct. Some people on this site have had a bit of a go at the signings as they clearly don't have a clue what they are talking about and just enjoy moaning.

You can't please everybody all of the time and that's the only thing i think he needs to realize.

I'm unsure why people get so emotive about any quotes that come from Lawn, he doesn't pick the team or choose the tactics and all of the managers that have been employed have in general been applauded by most of the supporters.

Get off his back and just concentrate on supporting the club!!

i can honestly say lawn i have not heard any city fan moaning about the signings we have made so dont know where you get this crap from ,once again you have to be the center of attention ,why cant you just keep your big mouth shut instead of putting your foot in it all the time .

Is he having my eyes out?!
Were has Mr Lawn heard these comments?!
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The 2 message boards that I go on have done nothing but praise the current sqaud and it's chances this season.
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WHY does he feel the need to make such comments before the season has even bloody started?
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It's almost as if he's got our money, I haven't wound up the fans for a while what can I do to get them going again...
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He wonders why people don't like him when he's doing interviews like this.

neiltherealdeal wrote:
I've no idea why people get so upset at Lawn, he's not said anything that isn't correct. Some people on this site have had a bit of a go at the signings as they clearly don't have a clue what they are talking about and just enjoy moaning.

You can't please everybody all of the time and that's the only thing i think he needs to realize.

I'm unsure why people get so emotive about any quotes that come from Lawn, he doesn't pick the team or choose the tactics and all of the managers that have been employed have in general been applauded by most of the supporters.

Get off his back and just concentrate on supporting the club!!

I'll get off his back when he stops doing pointless interviews like this.
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Nobody and I mean nobody I've spoken to in the past few weeks has said anything bad about the current squad or it's chances this season.
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I'm a regular on 2 message boards and there hasn't been one bad word about any player (other than the questionable signing of Atkinson)

I have missed this moaning?

I actually feel that alot of the fans need to stop getting carried away. Too many fans see the signings and are talking promotion, not complaining.

The only rumblings is possibly the amount of players/size of the squad, which is a couple short in some areas. We needed a much smaller squad but also need to be able to have cover.

Its interesting to hear that this smaller squad as come with an high budget. It makes you wonder how correct that is for some players when you look at players who have turned down such contracts.

Theres not much to this story apart from lawn having a go at some fans again and i repeat that i don't no where he found them. Lawn would have been better placed not to say anything really as it doesn't acheive anything positive. In fact he's very lucky to have so many return after the non-entertainment under the last two managers. Very lucky indeed......

Strange article, the only signing ive heard people question is Atkinson and thats because hes hasnt been very good if we are all honest. The remainder of the signings have been excellent and even if there is the odd detractor here and there why go to press about it? The club are doing some excellent work at the moment and I think most people agree.

NEVERTHEREALDEAL

Please tell us where fans have expected better signings? Most on here have rightly praised the signing of Davies, Doyle, Jones.....

Don't know where you and lawn get it from......

Well there were idiots complaining about a two bob friendly the other day.

Anyhow its far to early to judge any signing and anyone who does so is an idiot. We haven't kicked a ball in anger but I would like to know who is saying this rubbish Mr Lawn is talking about as most people I know are looking forward to the season based on our signings.

Mark Lawn - Why Why Why?

You really are a blithering idiot. The vast majority of fans are more than happy with the signings up to now and are optimistic for the new season.

Probably until now that is when you've opened your bloody mouth again.

How many times are you going to throw the financial support you receive from fans back is their faces?

Fans who were there long before you and will be there long after you've got your money back and moved on?

What a prat!

I believe that we have made a lot of good signing and have no complaints. But the only eye opener for me was Davies. Don't promise what you can't deliver.

However, as I said, the 1st team has taken a good shape, just hope we are lucky with injuries now and it will be a good season.

Up the Bantams!!!

JACKO

I agree. Atkinson was/is the only real doubt amongst fans and DID get some questioning, including myself. Even then most have been prepared to give him a chance. he has the basics in terms of technique but lacks in pace, and we have yet to see him have an influence on a game, attck the full back and cross the ball. the latter two qualities are quite essential if operating as a winger in most set-ups. Attacking one's anyway.......

Lawn operating mouth before engaging brain!1

Was it not he, who wanted to boost season ticket sales, stated we were looking to sign players who would excite us.

mr lawn keep it shut and please keep yourself out of the players lounge where what you say undermines a manager. Keep yourself away from the players and let the manager mange those players.

the manager has, to my mind, put together a decent crop of players on what appears to be a very low budget.

So Lawny:if you want our cash which we are happy to give for the betterment of the team please please learn to respect those who support the club.

Deary me, Mr Lawn...I have to agree with the posters above (bar one)...I have yet to meet or read from a City fan who isn't buzzing for the start of the season.
ML always reminds me of a dear old teacher of mine who used to chide us with the immortal words " Why is it that every time I open my mouth, some fool speaks?"

Oh dear! Lawn strikes again! He wants to show some respect to the fans for turning up in numbers yet again after another season of generally inept dross against dross shoe string budget sides! Being in this division we must be the countries biggest under achievers and have been for 6 years now! The signings are good generally! A little thin on the ground maybe but good. The Atkinson one is strange after his massive "trial" failure last season but other than that every other new face looks promising so far! So why insult the intelligence of the loyal fan base by mentioning Messi and Ronaldo? We know Gibb still drains the life blood from the club with his pension fund! Going back to the Bulls I think the Lestyn Harris signing was the fundamental reason the Bulls are in dire straits! Quite ironic considering Caisey worked in the legal profession!
Choose your words more carefully in future Mr Lawn! Numpty!

Laney1989 wrote:

neiltherealdeal wrote:
I've no idea why people get so upset at Lawn, he's not said anything that isn't correct. Some people on this site have had a bit of a go at the signings as they clearly don't have a clue what they are talking about and just enjoy moaning.

You can't please everybody all of the time and that's the only thing i think he needs to realize.

I'm unsure why people get so emotive about any quotes that come from Lawn, he doesn't pick the team or choose the tactics and all of the managers that have been employed have in general been applauded by most of the supporters.

Get off his back and just concentrate on supporting the club!!

I'll get off his back when he stops doing pointless interviews like this.
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Nobody and I mean nobody I've spoken to in the past few weeks has said anything bad about the current squad or it's chances this season.
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I'm a regular on 2 message boards and there hasn't been one bad word about any player (other than the questionable signing of Atkinson)

Any one who doesn't feel like fans are moaning just need to read the comments under the headline when we lost 3-0 to bury on sat in a two bob friendly. Say what you want about lawn but the fact is if he walks then it's bye bye BCFC.

At the end off The day if it wasnt for mark lawn and julian rhodes you wouldnt have a club to criticise The signings weve seen in pre season all seem descent for this divison all played well except bury game buy mark out see if you can do any better very much doubt it all we need to do now is tie a couple off players down that are on there last season of contract up the city

Another classic Lawn facepalm moment.

There was no need for these comments, I don't even think I have heard one fan speak badly of the club so far and the group I went with last year to City has swelled from 4 to 8 based on the good things we have seen.

These this is said, as Delboy would say what a 24 carrott plonker you really are!

ARE SOME OF YOU PEOPE FOR REAL?

If you don't like the signings, then put your own God **** money in then and bring in Robin Van Persie, Dimitar Berbatov or Luka Modric.

Lawn is 100% right here, and he is not the only person to say this, how many posts on here always complain because they want more elite signings way above our standard.

A couple of seasons ago McCall signed some big players for our division, and guess what, we are still here.

Jesus bloody Christ, if you don't like it, then bugger off or put your own money in and pay for the players and their wages.

We need players good enough to get us out of the 4th division, not just big names, that is why England can never do well, that is why we struggled in the 2nd season in the first division.

Apart from 1 player, I am happy with the signings, and we have been competing with 2nd division clubs for the players we signed. The mighty Beeston United were competing with us to sign Gray, like him or not, a club 2 divisions above us rate him enough to be part of a promotion push, and competing with a Champions League club to keep Ramsden whatever way you want to look at it.

I really can't believe how disillutional some armchair football fans are. As long as people like that exist, we will never succeed at the international stage, clubs will never progress, only fall.

At times I really do wish Lawn and Rhodes say enough is enough and walk away and let's see what happens to our club. Parkinson has mustered up a squad good enough for promotion, with a bit of luck, a lot of hard work, we could very well say goodbye to division 4 in 2013.

If you don't like how Lawn and Rhodes are spending their money, then put your own money in or shut up.

Why doesn't mark lawn ever think before he opens his mouth?
I, like many other city fans always read the message boards and rumour sites and I have also not heard anything but good reports on the signings!
I thought mark lawn was a city fan himself?
Would he like it if he was just a fan and Julian Rhodes had put these comments in the t&a? I doubt it!
These comments in the local paper need to stop. One day he will say something that will really upset the fans and people will stop going.
The knock on effects to that!?

mickyoi wrote:

Laney1989 wrote:

neiltherealdeal wrote:
I've no idea why people get so upset at Lawn, he's not said anything that isn't correct. Some people on this site have had a bit of a go at the signings as they clearly don't have a clue what they are talking about and just enjoy moaning.

You can't please everybody all of the time and that's the only thing i think he needs to realize.

I'm unsure why people get so emotive about any quotes that come from Lawn, he doesn't pick the team or choose the tactics and all of the managers that have been employed have in general been applauded by most of the supporters.

Get off his back and just concentrate on supporting the club!!

I'll get off his back when he stops doing pointless interviews like this.
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Nobody and I mean nobody I've spoken to in the past few weeks has said anything bad about the current squad or it's chances this season.
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I'm a regular on 2 message boards and there hasn't been one bad word about any player (other than the questionable signing of Atkinson)

Any one who doesn't feel like fans are moaning just need to read the comments under the headline when we lost 3-0 to bury on sat in a two bob friendly. Say what you want about lawn but the fact is if he walks then it's bye bye BCFC.

So we put up with his constant criticism of the fans do we?
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For the first time in years I was thinking about not renewing my season ticket for this year. Why?
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Because I was fed up with everything to do with this club.
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From the players, management, board, our own supporters I was sick of wasting my time and money on something people aren't bothered about.
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The last hour of ST deadline day I couldn't do it I couldn't not get a ST for BCAFC.
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So I spent my hard earned cash AGAIN and took the plunge.
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I haven't seen any preseason games yet because I find them boring but from what other people have said and also looking up the new signings I'm actually quite excited and looking forward to the new season as are many others.
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You say if ML went so would the club...well if he wants to blackmail us it's no way to treat his fellow Bradford City supporters is it.
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Maybe all that power has gone to his head and he is forgotten he used to be one of us.

LuvFootball wrote:
ARE SOME OF YOU PEOPE FOR REAL?

If you don't like the signings, then put your own God **** money in then and bring in Robin Van Persie, Dimitar Berbatov or Luka Modric.

Lawn is 100% right here, and he is not the only person to say this, how many posts on here always complain because they want more elite signings way above our standard.

A couple of seasons ago McCall signed some big players for our division, and guess what, we are still here.

Jesus bloody Christ, if you don't like it, then bugger off or put your own money in and pay for the players and their wages.

We need players good enough to get us out of the 4th division, not just big names, that is why England can never do well, that is why we struggled in the 2nd season in the first division.

Apart from 1 player, I am happy with the signings, and we have been competing with 2nd division clubs for the players we signed. The mighty Beeston United were competing with us to sign Gray, like him or not, a club 2 divisions above us rate him enough to be part of a promotion push, and competing with a Champions League club to keep Ramsden whatever way you want to look at it.

I really can't believe how disillutional some armchair football fans are. As long as people like that exist, we will never succeed at the international stage, clubs will never progress, only fall.

At times I really do wish Lawn and Rhodes say enough is enough and walk away and let's see what happens to our club. Parkinson has mustered up a squad good enough for promotion, with a bit of luck, a lot of hard work, we could very well say goodbye to division 4 in 2013.

If you don't like how Lawn and Rhodes are spending their money, then put your own money in or shut up.

Hmmm...
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I think you need to take a deep breath and re-read people's comments on here.
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Re-read people's comments on Claret & Banter
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Re-read's people's comments on Bradford City Fans forum
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That’s what we are saying here…NOBODY has slagged the team off so the need for his comments?!
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“Armchair Football Fans” – This really made me laugh :-)

Spenvalleyspartan wrote:
Oh dear! Lawn strikes again! He wants to show some respect to the fans for turning up in numbers yet again after another season of generally inept dross against dross shoe string budget sides! Being in this division we must be the countries biggest under achievers and have been for 6 years now! The signings are good generally! A little thin on the ground maybe but good. The Atkinson one is strange after his massive "trial" failure last season but other than that every other new face looks promising so far! So why insult the intelligence of the loyal fan base by mentioning Messi and Ronaldo? We know Gibb still drains the life blood from the club with his pension fund! Going back to the Bulls I think the Lestyn Harris signing was the fundamental reason the Bulls are in dire straits! Quite ironic considering Caisey worked in the legal profession!
Choose your words more carefully in future Mr Lawn! Numpty!

Country's biggest underachievers.

Could that be Arsenal or Liverpool if you take what they have spent compared to clubs like Man U and Spurs? You could also class Chelsea in that with the millions they have spent over the years to finish where they do in the league, ok they won the Champions league a few months ago for the first time.

What makes us underachievers exactly? Our finances are not as great as many "smaller" clubs, because we rent out a huge stadium, because we have many fans that take advantage of cheap season tickets does that give us a better chance of flying up the divisions? We have not always had the best players in the division we have been in, not always had the best manager and definitely not had the best resources. As daft as it sounds can we compete with Fleetwood to splash the cash out or Rotherham?

Dear Mr. Lawn,

What an impotent sound bite this is!

I know and appreciate that you have helped to save and maintain our club with the help of a massive input from supporters.

May I suggest that you put some effort in and try to save yourself from releasing totally unnecessary, self opinionated tripe such as this.

Please take a look at yourself and address the weakness that makes you so impetuous and embarrassing.

Training may be available......(yawn
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LuvFootball wrote:
ARE SOME OF YOU PEOPE FOR REAL?

If you don't like the signings, then put your own God **** money in then and bring in Robin Van Persie, Dimitar Berbatov or Luka Modric.

Lawn is 100% right here, and he is not the only person to say this, how many posts on here always complain because they want more elite signings way above our standard.

A couple of seasons ago McCall signed some big players for our division, and guess what, we are still here.

Jesus bloody Christ, if you don't like it, then bugger off or put your own money in and pay for the players and their wages.

We need players good enough to get us out of the 4th division, not just big names, that is why England can never do well, that is why we struggled in the 2nd season in the first division.

Apart from 1 player, I am happy with the signings, and we have been competing with 2nd division clubs for the players we signed. The mighty Beeston United were competing with us to sign Gray, like him or not, a club 2 divisions above us rate him enough to be part of a promotion push, and competing with a Champions League club to keep Ramsden whatever way you want to look at it.

I really can't believe how disillutional some armchair football fans are. As long as people like that exist, we will never succeed at the international stage, clubs will never progress, only fall.

At times I really do wish Lawn and Rhodes say enough is enough and walk away and let's see what happens to our club. Parkinson has mustered up a squad good enough for promotion, with a bit of luck, a lot of hard work, we could very well say goodbye to division 4 in 2013.

If you don't like how Lawn and Rhodes are spending their money, then put your own money in or shut up.

Ok Mark! Whatever you say! ;-)

LuvFootball wrote:
ARE SOME OF YOU PEOPE FOR REAL?

If you don't like the signings, then put your own God **** money in then and bring in Robin Van Persie, Dimitar Berbatov or Luka Modric.

Lawn is 100% right here, and he is not the only person to say this, how many posts on here always complain because they want more elite signings way above our standard.

A couple of seasons ago McCall signed some big players for our division, and guess what, we are still here.

Jesus bloody Christ, if you don't like it, then bugger off or put your own money in and pay for the players and their wages.

We need players good enough to get us out of the 4th division, not just big names, that is why England can never do well, that is why we struggled in the 2nd season in the first division.

Apart from 1 player, I am happy with the signings, and we have been competing with 2nd division clubs for the players we signed. The mighty Beeston United were competing with us to sign Gray, like him or not, a club 2 divisions above us rate him enough to be part of a promotion push, and competing with a Champions League club to keep Ramsden whatever way you want to look at it.

I really can't believe how disillutional some armchair football fans are. As long as people like that exist, we will never succeed at the international stage, clubs will never progress, only fall.

At times I really do wish Lawn and Rhodes say enough is enough and walk away and let's see what happens to our club. Parkinson has mustered up a squad good enough for promotion, with a bit of luck, a lot of hard work, we could very well say goodbye to division 4 in 2013.

If you don't like how Lawn and Rhodes are spending their money, then put your own money in or shut up.

Ok Mark! Whatever you say! ;-)

Laney1989 wrote:

LuvFootball wrote:
ARE SOME OF YOU PEOPE FOR REAL?

If you don't like the signings, then put your own God **** money in then and bring in Robin Van Persie, Dimitar Berbatov or Luka Modric.

Lawn is 100% right here, and he is not the only person to say this, how many posts on here always complain because they want more elite signings way above our standard.

A couple of seasons ago McCall signed some big players for our division, and guess what, we are still here.

Jesus bloody Christ, if you don't like it, then bugger off or put your own money in and pay for the players and their wages.

We need players good enough to get us out of the 4th division, not just big names, that is why England can never do well, that is why we struggled in the 2nd season in the first division.

Apart from 1 player, I am happy with the signings, and we have been competing with 2nd division clubs for the players we signed. The mighty Beeston United were competing with us to sign Gray, like him or not, a club 2 divisions above us rate him enough to be part of a promotion push, and competing with a Champions League club to keep Ramsden whatever way you want to look at it.

I really can't believe how disillutional some armchair football fans are. As long as people like that exist, we will never succeed at the international stage, clubs will never progress, only fall.

At times I really do wish Lawn and Rhodes say enough is enough and walk away and let's see what happens to our club. Parkinson has mustered up a squad good enough for promotion, with a bit of luck, a lot of hard work, we could very well say goodbye to division 4 in 2013.

If you don't like how Lawn and Rhodes are spending their money, then put your own money in or shut up.

Hmmm...
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I think you need to take a deep breath and re-read people's comments on here.
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Re-read people's comments on Claret & Banter
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Re-read's people's comments on Bradford City Fans forum
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That’s what we are saying here…NOBODY has slagged the team off so the need for his comments?!
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“Armchair Football Fans” – This really made me laugh :-)

I know not all fans expect quality players from higher divisions, but over the years there has been a rumbling, I know some is frustration because of our predicament over the past 12 years, but it doesn't have grate me when people moan for the sake of it. I generally don't listen to Lawn, but when he says things close o the bone, some don't like it. Also when was the interview taken? When you look on the net, the T and A are not always the first to post the news, sometimes a few days after things have happened.

Read the pages over the past few weeks, past few years even, and yes, there are people slagging the team and manager off. Already some people think we are awash at sea because we lost to a 3rd division club in a friendly.

Would be nice though, just once, where every post on a news snippet was either positive, or constructive and not moan about anything, or look for holes if the holes are there or not.

Spenvalleyspartan wrote:

LuvFootball wrote:
ARE SOME OF YOU PEOPE FOR REAL?

If you don't like the signings, then put your own God **** money in then and bring in Robin Van Persie, Dimitar Berbatov or Luka Modric.

Lawn is 100% right here, and he is not the only person to say this, how many posts on here always complain because they want more elite signings way above our standard.

A couple of seasons ago McCall signed some big players for our division, and guess what, we are still here.

Jesus bloody Christ, if you don't like it, then bugger off or put your own money in and pay for the players and their wages.

We need players good enough to get us out of the 4th division, not just big names, that is why England can never do well, that is why we struggled in the 2nd season in the first division.

Apart from 1 player, I am happy with the signings, and we have been competing with 2nd division clubs for the players we signed. The mighty Beeston United were competing with us to sign Gray, like him or not, a club 2 divisions above us rate him enough to be part of a promotion push, and competing with a Champions League club to keep Ramsden whatever way you want to look at it.

I really can't believe how disillutional some armchair football fans are. As long as people like that exist, we will never succeed at the international stage, clubs will never progress, only fall.

At times I really do wish Lawn and Rhodes say enough is enough and walk away and let's see what happens to our club. Parkinson has mustered up a squad good enough for promotion, with a bit of luck, a lot of hard work, we could very well say goodbye to division 4 in 2013.

If you don't like how Lawn and Rhodes are spending their money, then put your own money in or shut up.

Ok Mark! Whatever you say! ;-)

Lol.

LuvFootball wrote:

Laney1989 wrote:

LuvFootball wrote:
ARE SOME OF YOU PEOPE FOR REAL?

If you don't like the signings, then put your own God **** money in then and bring in Robin Van Persie, Dimitar Berbatov or Luka Modric.

Lawn is 100% right here, and he is not the only person to say this, how many posts on here always complain because they want more elite signings way above our standard.

A couple of seasons ago McCall signed some big players for our division, and guess what, we are still here.

Jesus bloody Christ, if you don't like it, then bugger off or put your own money in and pay for the players and their wages.

We need players good enough to get us out of the 4th division, not just big names, that is why England can never do well, that is why we struggled in the 2nd season in the first division.

Apart from 1 player, I am happy with the signings, and we have been competing with 2nd division clubs for the players we signed. The mighty Beeston United were competing with us to sign Gray, like him or not, a club 2 divisions above us rate him enough to be part of a promotion push, and competing with a Champions League club to keep Ramsden whatever way you want to look at it.

I really can't believe how disillutional some armchair football fans are. As long as people like that exist, we will never succeed at the international stage, clubs will never progress, only fall.

At times I really do wish Lawn and Rhodes say enough is enough and walk away and let's see what happens to our club. Parkinson has mustered up a squad good enough for promotion, with a bit of luck, a lot of hard work, we could very well say goodbye to division 4 in 2013.

If you don't like how Lawn and Rhodes are spending their money, then put your own money in or shut up.

Hmmm...
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I think you need to take a deep breath and re-read people's comments on here.
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Re-read people's comments on Claret & Banter
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Re-read's people's comments on Bradford City Fans forum
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That’s what we are saying here…NOBODY has slagged the team off so the need for his comments?!
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“Armchair Football Fans” – This really made me laugh :-)

I know not all fans expect quality players from higher divisions, but over the years there has been a rumbling, I know some is frustration because of our predicament over the past 12 years, but it doesn't have grate me when people moan for the sake of it. I generally don't listen to Lawn, but when he says things close o the bone, some don't like it. Also when was the interview taken? When you look on the net, the T and A are not always the first to post the news, sometimes a few days after things have happened.

Read the pages over the past few weeks, past few years even, and yes, there are people slagging the team and manager off. Already some people think we are awash at sea because we lost to a 3rd division club in a friendly.

Would be nice though, just once, where every post on a news snippet was either positive, or constructive and not moan about anything, or look for holes if the holes are there or not.

I'd like to know were you've seen City supporters slag the team off over the past few weeks.
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That would be great.
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Cheers

eckybantam wrote:
i can honestly say lawn i have not heard any city fan moaning about the signings we have made so dont know where you get this crap from ,once again you have to be the center of attention ,why cant you just keep your big mouth shut instead of putting your foot in it all the time .

Can you "honestly say that" you haven't read about city fan's moaning about the signings? Yes? Well then welcome to this website

After last season's comment by Mark Lawn for supporters to stay away from VP, I had assumed that his quiet period over the close season was a reflection of his learning from his mistake of criticising fans. Oh no, my mistake! Why does he feel the need to open his mouth again and criticise the supporters again? Whilst there might be a very small minority who have asked questions about the quality of the squad, the vast majority seemed to have set aside the last 10 years of decline and have supported the club through the season ticket and flexi card sales and tacitly supporting Parkinson in the re-building process. I echo what most people have said on here that there has been no major outcry on the recent signings and indeed most seem to support what PP has done to bring higher quality players to VP. There is an air of quiet optimism around the various supporter fora which the club should be tapping into without one of the chairmen criticising the club's supporters in such a crass manner. I genuinely hope that ML reconsiders what he has said and thanks the supporters for the way i which they continue to support their club

I may be wong here, but haven't the message boards been full of another Parkin signing ??? Will not mention names but that has certainly been a common theme when an ex Rochdale link has joined City this pre-season. I agree Mark Lawn should employ a press officer to 'edit' his choice of phrasing on occasion, but in the main, what he says rings true in a lot of ways. Personally, pleased with the squad as it looks and will reserve any real judgement until end of September, as it certainly looks interesting to see where the new lads are going to fit in and how Parkinson will chop and change, use subs etc.. etc...

I really wish Mr Lawn would think before he comments. Was there a need to enrage a section of fans? I really am not aware that fans have been asking for 'eye opening' signings, most are grounded in the reality of tough times. Perhaps a PR person to 'interpret' his utterances would avoid 'diificult' statements being made. I worry that Mr Lawn wishes fans to be totally uncritical. Perhaps he needs a little book to give us his thoughts on how we should all behave?

LuvFootball wrote:

Spenvalleyspartan wrote:
Oh dear! Lawn strikes again! He wants to show some respect to the fans for turning up in numbers yet again after another season of generally inept dross against dross shoe string budget sides! Being in this division we must be the countries biggest under achievers and have been for 6 years now! The signings are good generally! A little thin on the ground maybe but good. The Atkinson one is strange after his massive "trial" failure last season but other than that every other new face looks promising so far! So why insult the intelligence of the loyal fan base by mentioning Messi and Ronaldo? We know Gibb still drains the life blood from the club with his pension fund! Going back to the Bulls I think the Lestyn Harris signing was the fundamental reason the Bulls are in dire straits! Quite ironic considering Caisey worked in the legal profession!
Choose your words more carefully in future Mr Lawn! Numpty!

Country's biggest underachievers.

Could that be Arsenal or Liverpool if you take what they have spent compared to clubs like Man U and Spurs? You could also class Chelsea in that with the millions they have spent over the years to finish where they do in the league, ok they won the Champions league a few months ago for the first time.

What makes us underachievers exactly? Our finances are not as great as many "smaller" clubs, because we rent out a huge stadium, because we have many fans that take advantage of cheap season tickets does that give us a better chance of flying up the divisions? We have not always had the best players in the division we have been in, not always had the best manager and definitely not had the best resources. As daft as it sounds can we compete with Fleetwood to splash the cash out or Rotherham?

Hang on a minute pal! How many times has Lawn told us we have a budget able to compete with the top five sides in this division and yet finished well in the bottom half? Is that not underachieving? The fact that we havn't even finished in a play off berth while the ilk of Cheltenham finish there is that not underachieving??? You really are Mark Lawn going in and putting your foot in it arn't you! Did you not see me mention the fact that I'm aware that Gibb is a drain on the club? Then you go in and mention Premier league for some reason just like Lawn with his Messi comparrison! I think you need to reexamine your expectations for our beloved club because even an outsider would expect us to do better than 18th!!!!

Greengrass, Greengrass, Greengrass, you do really come out with some shocking statements at some shocking times.

The majority of signings bar one have generally been accepted, the complaints re the friendly v Bury were in the main not totally wrong but it was a friendly, People did pay good money to watch a drab effort from City but with a mix of 1st teamers, peripherals and trialists it was never going to be much of an indicator or much of a match on our part. Maybe Bury needed to get more out of this than we did.

I'm failing to see the need for the negativity from the boardroom towards the fans.

ML,at times does seem resentful of his own involvement.His biggest problem has been to keep the Club afloat in challenging times,when his main priority was to bring about a promotion bound squad to appease the fans.(Remember,he IS one)..Not the best at PR and I'm surprised JR is not taking this role on.However,preemptin
g how the season turns out is mere conjecture, albeit with a dose of apprehension based on previous seasons when 'promises' of better were in fact 'Hope' for better.I think this time though,the building blocks are in place and as most have said,we should be able to progress the Club with the latest signings,for which the Chairmen must take credit..so onwards and upwards for all on board....(hopefully)
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This should really be the time for ML to be sending out positive vibes, getting everyone together and rallying the troops so to speak for the start of the season...so what does he go and do....

The vast majority of fans believe we look to have made some good signings, on paper at least, and there has only been one signing that I know of that has been questioned, with some justification, and I sense quite a lot of optimism from a lot of fans.

I just don't understand why ML continues to have a dig and create an atmosphere and divide between himself and the fans,especially as he says it makes him ill! its hard to have sympathy when he seems to bring a lot of it on himself. You don't get the best out of people in a bad atmosphere surely as a business man he should recognise this.

Spenvalleyspartan wrote:

LuvFootball wrote:

Spenvalleyspartan wrote:
Oh dear! Lawn strikes again! He wants to show some respect to the fans for turning up in numbers yet again after another season of generally inept dross against dross shoe string budget sides! Being in this division we must be the countries biggest under achievers and have been for 6 years now! The signings are good generally! A little thin on the ground maybe but good. The Atkinson one is strange after his massive "trial" failure last season but other than that every other new face looks promising so far! So why insult the intelligence of the loyal fan base by mentioning Messi and Ronaldo? We know Gibb still drains the life blood from the club with his pension fund! Going back to the Bulls I think the Lestyn Harris signing was the fundamental reason the Bulls are in dire straits! Quite ironic considering Caisey worked in the legal profession!
Choose your words more carefully in future Mr Lawn! Numpty!

Country's biggest underachievers.

Could that be Arsenal or Liverpool if you take what they have spent compared to clubs like Man U and Spurs? You could also class Chelsea in that with the millions they have spent over the years to finish where they do in the league, ok they won the Champions league a few months ago for the first time.

What makes us underachievers exactly? Our finances are not as great as many "smaller" clubs, because we rent out a huge stadium, because we have many fans that take advantage of cheap season tickets does that give us a better chance of flying up the divisions? We have not always had the best players in the division we have been in, not always had the best manager and definitely not had the best resources. As daft as it sounds can we compete with Fleetwood to splash the cash out or Rotherham?

Hang on a minute pal! How many times has Lawn told us we have a budget able to compete with the top five sides in this division and yet finished well in the bottom half? Is that not underachieving? The fact that we havn't even finished in a play off berth while the ilk of Cheltenham finish there is that not underachieving??? You really are Mark Lawn going in and putting your foot in it arn't you! Did you not see me mention the fact that I'm aware that Gibb is a drain on the club? Then you go in and mention Premier league for some reason just like Lawn with his Messi comparrison! I think you need to reexamine your expectations for our beloved club because even an outsider would expect us to do better than 18th!!!!

Please read what you wrote, and then please read what I wrote. You said we must the biggest underachievers, I am questioning that there are bigger underachievers than us.

It really is as simple as that. I asked what made us underachievers, yes, one can argue we have underachieved, but it is very recently putting a squad out was a major achievement, actually existing was an achievement in itself.

I am not saying we underachieved last season or the season before, I am not saying we over achieved, but we are finishing consistently where we are, so by right, is that where we belong?

Last year we brought in a manager that had been out of the game working in a nursing home and we signed him on past glories, and this was the man to spearhead our charge.

Look at it constructively, have we tried to buy or way out of the division by paying large transfer fees for players. We are finishing consistently mid/lower table.

Yes we do get Lawn coming out with comments trying to gee us up, but come on, isn't that his job?

Where do you work? Does the company you work for not and try drum up extra sales? The guy moans about "some fans" not all, and he is only saying what some supporters are.

Maybe Lawn is too much one of us and thinks like true City supporters, too much for some people's liking.

Reason I mentioned Premier league was going back to your original statement, to quote you, I am not taking this out of context here

"Being in this division we must be the countries biggest under achievers"

What are people supposed to do with your comment, only compare your statement which is aimed at not only all 92 clubs, but all none league clubs too and have the rest of us only compare your statemet to 23 other clubs. Come on, please read what you say and how people reply to you.

I am just questioning if we are the country's biggest underachievers, I don't think we are. I do feel that we have bottomed out though and realistically there is only the way up now, even if up means challenging for play offs or just finishing outside of them. Pre season I expected us to finish top half to be honest and to see how we played against some higher division clubs like Beeston United and Sheff Wed , Huddersfield, Sheff U and Rochdale why we were so bad in the league is beyond me, we did have the talent last season, we did have the players, but for some reason it just didn't happen. There is an air of negativity around Valley Parade, and whoever comes in feels it and feeds on it. That may be the reason why we are underachieving, but to be honest, with what we have gone through, sitting in the pouring rain, and I mean soaking wet pouring rain for a charity match to raise funds to keep us going. I was like a drowned rat, so in all honesty, I am grateful we still have a club, we may have dire football, we may not have anything to cheer about come season end, but we still have a club. Sooner be in our situation than Portsmouth to be honest.

Also budget, how do you look at it? Just players wages or do you take in transfer fees also? Lawn will still say stupid things, but one, we expect him to, if you don't like what he says, don't listen. But he is one of us and if you read the blogs, read comments on here, he doesn't say too differently to some supporters.

I always say, moan if you have a reason to moan about, we don't we have a good squad, and yes, I am expecting us to get promoted this season, and if we finish bottom half, I will be disappointed. If we just miss out of the play offs, well, depends how the season goes and I will take a positive that we are moving up.

Country's biggest underachievers, I would say we are not. Sheff Wed, Sheff U, Liverpool, Arsenal, Notts Forest, Portsmouth, Coventry, Beeston United, Man City even as they can't cut it in Europe with the millions they spend. Our division has underachievers too, Gillingham and Rotherham for example. We may have underachieved, but a few years ago, and I only mean a few years ago if someone asked if we would keep a club battling it out in the 4th division getting onto an even keel looking towards a healthier future I am sure over 90% would have snapped your hand off.

I've long since given up taking any notice of what Mr Lawn says and just tollerate his outbursts as you would a drunk elderly rascist relative once a year at christmas.

Seems a few appologists are climbing out the woodwork. Without Mark Lawn there would be no club yadda yadda yadda.

I presume that gives him free reign to simply slag off the fans whenever he feels.

In reality this club wouldn't exist without the fans, we raised money in the hour of need, we turn up year in year out to support the club in numbers even though we have been rewarded with dire season after dire season.

I personally think we will suprise many this season, but I'm not going to stick my head out and suggest where we might finish until I have seen us kick a ball in anger in a proper game, because then and only then can you judge, people ranting after two bob friendlies should just be ignored.

I'm still to find a City fan who thinks we will be fighting relegation this season, or who expects million pound signings. If anything it's quite the opposite where people are quietly confident and are happy with the recent signings.

Johsay wrote:
Who has been moaning? Where is he monitoring these days as he's shut down the OMB so who's moaning and where? Amazing.

Everyone e-mail Dave Baldwin davidbaldwin@the-ban
tams.co.uk and ask why they have not had the **** to tell fans they are closing the fans message board down instead of the excuse "Sorry, this board temporarily offline due to reconstruction work" as I did a couple of weeks ago,the answer from Dave Baldwin was it's still under discussion,
let's be honest Mark Lawn has got our season ticket money now so once again he fells he can have a go at ALL CITY FAN, the man is an embarrassment but an embarrassment will have to put up with as long as he is joint chairman.

LAWN R U ON DRUGS?Not heard one fan complain about any signings made,think youre bored and just want 2 spout at fans which is wrong and have no right,come on CITY!!!!

LAWN R U ON DRUGS?Not heard one fan complain about any signings made,think youre bored and just want 2 spout at fans which is wrong and have no right,come on CITY!!!!

Gutting news, I was one of these people expecting us to sign the likes of Robin Van Persie and possibly Tevez. Really Mark people are happy with the signings so far and anyone asking for Messi was joking

"HAPPY VALLEY-EXCESS ALL AREAS"

'JOOLS & LAWNEE'

The 'day before' Mark L gave his comments to he 'T&A'.

L: You know Jools I'm gettin' heartily fed up at those 'nutarons'!

J: Wha..?

L: You know ..those guys always pourin' cold water on City signings!

J: You mean ..NEGATRONS...!!

L: Weren't they in ..'Dr Who?'

J: Nah..think that was..the Ogrons...the story...'Day Of The Daleks'..I think it was...Jon Pertwee...always the best doctor!!

L: Well..whatever..I'm sick of 'em..I've 'ad enough..I'm going to DO it!!

J: Oh no..please ...no..think about this..Lawnee!!

L: No..me minds made up...I'm ringing Simon Parker!!

J: But..remember what happened last time...and the time before that...AND remember...the 'beard fiaso'?

L : Yesss..I know...but..my words were ..taken ..out of context....I cannot just stay ..silent on this ...I wish..

J: Er..Lawnee...be careful what you wish for..you..

Reaching for the phone...and keying in the numbers..

L: Er...yes...it's ME....I've got a ..er..statement...to ..make!

J takes 'refuge' underneath his desk, 'Duck & Cover'-Soooo effective in these situations!!!

J: Well...here we go..AGAIN!!!
O...M...G!!!

Laney1989 wrote:

LuvFootball wrote:
ARE SOME OF YOU PEOPE FOR REAL?

If you don't like the signings, then put your own God **** money in then and bring in Robin Van Persie, Dimitar Berbatov or Luka Modric.

Lawn is 100% right here, and he is not the only person to say this, how many posts on here always complain because they want more elite signings way above our standard.

A couple of seasons ago McCall signed some big players for our division, and guess what, we are still here.

Jesus bloody Christ, if you don't like it, then bugger off or put your own money in and pay for the players and their wages.

We need players good enough to get us out of the 4th division, not just big names, that is why England can never do well, that is why we struggled in the 2nd season in the first division.

Apart from 1 player, I am happy with the signings, and we have been competing with 2nd division clubs for the players we signed. The mighty Beeston United were competing with us to sign Gray, like him or not, a club 2 divisions above us rate him enough to be part of a promotion push, and competing with a Champions League club to keep Ramsden whatever way you want to look at it.

I really can't believe how disillutional some armchair football fans are. As long as people like that exist, we will never succeed at the international stage, clubs will never progress, only fall.

At times I really do wish Lawn and Rhodes say enough is enough and walk away and let's see what happens to our club. Parkinson has mustered up a squad good enough for promotion, with a bit of luck, a lot of hard work, we could very well say goodbye to division 4 in 2013.

If you don't like how Lawn and Rhodes are spending their money, then put your own money in or shut up.

Hmmm...
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I think you need to take a deep breath and re-read people's comments on here.
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Re-read people's comments on Claret & Banter
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Re-read's people's comments on Bradford City Fans forum
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That’s what we are saying here…NOBODY has slagged the team off so the need for his comments?!
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“Armchair Football Fans” – This really made me laugh :-)

He is only having a go at fans who criticise the new signings. Go back to the Gary jones thread and see how many thought he is too old and too slow. The Atkinson signing got slated by nearly everyone on this site. Go back a couple of threads to read one fan say that Doyle is too fat and one fan questioning the doyle signing because he was released by Barnsley so therefore mustn't be good enough for us. I personally am over the moon with all our signings and can't wait for the season to kick off. Not having a go at you laney but the fact is that some fans on here do moan constantly and they are the fans that ML is having a go at. And he has every right to after putting his own money where his mouth is. Here's to a good season anyway.

pride of yorkshire wrote:
LAWN R U ON DRUGS?Not heard one fan complain about any signings made,think youre bored and just want 2 spout at fans which is wrong and have no right,come on CITY!!!!

Really?? Not heard one fan moan and complain about any signings. Gary jones got called too old and slow by some so called fans. Atkinson got slated by loads on here. And if you go back a couple of stories you will see freddy question the signing of Doyle because he was released by Barnsley.and one fan say he's over weight. It's all on this website in black and white.

mickyoi wrote:

Laney1989 wrote:

LuvFootball wrote: ARE SOME OF YOU PEOPE FOR REAL? If you don't like the signings, then put your own God **** money in then and bring in Robin Van Persie, Dimitar Berbatov or Luka Modric. Lawn is 100% right here, and he is not the only person to say this, how many posts on here always complain because they want more elite signings way above our standard. A couple of seasons ago McCall signed some big players for our division, and guess what, we are still here. Jesus bloody Christ, if you don't like it, then bugger off or put your own money in and pay for the players and their wages. We need players good enough to get us out of the 4th division, not just big names, that is why England can never do well, that is why we struggled in the 2nd season in the first division. Apart from 1 player, I am happy with the signings, and we have been competing with 2nd division clubs for the players we signed. The mighty Beeston United were competing with us to sign Gray, like him or not, a club 2 divisions above us rate him enough to be part of a promotion push, and competing with a Champions League club to keep Ramsden whatever way you want to look at it. I really can't believe how disillutional some armchair football fans are. As long as people like that exist, we will never succeed at the international stage, clubs will never progress, only fall. At times I really do wish Lawn and Rhodes say enough is enough and walk away and let's see what happens to our club. Parkinson has mustered up a squad good enough for promotion, with a bit of luck, a lot of hard work, we could very well say goodbye to division 4 in 2013. If you don't like how Lawn and Rhodes are spending their money, then put your own money in or shut up.

Hmmm... . I think you need to take a deep breath and re-read people's comments on here. . Re-read people's comments on Claret & Banter . Re-read's people's comments on Bradford City Fans forum . That’s what we are saying here…NOBODY has slagged the team off so the need for his comments?! . “Armchair Football Fans” – This really made me laugh :-)

He is only having a go at fans who criticise the new signings. Go back to the Gary jones thread and see how many thought he is too old and too slow. The Atkinson signing got slated by nearly everyone on this site. Go back a couple of threads to read one fan say that Doyle is too fat and one fan questioning the doyle signing because he was released by Barnsley so therefore mustn't be good enough for us. I personally am over the moon with all our signings and can't wait for the season to kick off. Not having a go at you laney but the fact is that some fans on here do moan constantly and they are the fans that ML is having a go at. And he has every right to after putting his own money where his mouth is. Here's to a good season anyway.

There will always be some morons who can't see the wood through the tree's, but Mark Lawn should realise this situation and rise above it rather than cheap comments in the T&A, yes he HAS every right to reply my question is take a leaf out of Julian Rhodes book and have a little dignity instead of biting when a few make derogatory comments.

It's hard to believe that a nothing story has gained 50+ comments by lunch.

Fans winds up chairman, chairman winds up fans. What a rare idea at a football club.

Maybe he was annoyed at the attention being directed at the Bulls so much recently he decided to be controversial for the sake of it, and it looks like he didn't disapoint.

Btw is the OMB re opening at any stage?

"HAPPY VALLEY-EXCESS ALL AREAS"

'JOOLS& LAWNEE'

PART TWO

Simon Parker is just arriving to speak to Lawnee...at the same time as 'Jools'...is... making his 'exit'!!

Secretary: But...where will..you be Mr Jools..if there's any..calls...

J: 'Indesposed' today........I'm afaid...think I've got a cold..but..just say..Im off...to err..watch the Olympics!!

In L's office

L: Sit down Simon.

S: Now ..what have you 'got' for us today Mr Chairman...an 'exclusive'..I hope!!

L: I want to make a statement...to respond to those..'NAGATRONS'!!


S: ..Er...ok!!

L; Yer.print this.. I'm sick and flamin tired of hearin' those 'nogatrons'...moanin and complainin' about the lads we've brought to the club. In fact, if they don't like 'em, they can take their 'support' and 'sling it.' I don't care if the lot of em pack their bags and pitch up camp at Uddersfield, Leeds, or ruddy Park Avenue...I don't care if the whole bloomin ground's 3/4 quarters empty...I want those ..numbatrons...OUT!! OUT..DO YOU HERE?!! I mean who EXACTLY do they expect us to sign?? MOSSI? RONNYALDO? CHAVVI? INANESTA?Ruddy...BAL
OCHERRI??! T

Simon: Er..you'll be wantin' me to ...er not exactly quote you ..word for word on..this..(I hope!)

L: You can print ever bloomin' word if you like..I've had it with those..Mugatrons!!
HAD IT!!

Simon: Right...well..I'll just 'tidy it up.'..er .....a little bit!!

Mark Lawn : I like what you did there. You know you have a reputation for speaking before thinking, so you have used that to get everyone talking about the squad again in a positive light.
Job Done as they say.
He won't win any popularity contests, but he's achieved what he set out to with this story

Laney1989 wrote:

neiltherealdeal wrote:
I've no idea why people get so upset at Lawn, he's not said anything that isn't correct. Some people on this site have had a bit of a go at the signings as they clearly don't have a clue what they are talking about and just enjoy moaning.

You can't please everybody all of the time and that's the only thing i think he needs to realize.

I'm unsure why people get so emotive about any quotes that come from Lawn, he doesn't pick the team or choose the tactics and all of the managers that have been employed have in general been applauded by most of the supporters.

Get off his back and just concentrate on supporting the club!!

I'll get off his back when he stops doing pointless interviews like this.
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Nobody and I mean nobody I've spoken to in the past few weeks has said anything bad about the current squad or it's chances this season.
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I'm a regular on 2 message boards and there hasn't been one bad word about any player (other than the questionable signing of Atkinson)

You've not been reading this column with any regularity then. There's been plenty of negative stuff as always and I had my head in my hands on Saturday listening to the garbage being spouted by fans around me.
People like Lawn, PP and the like of Will Atkinson for that matter will never be right for a lot of so called City fans

Davies, great capture.
Connell ditto
Doyle, 2 weeks pre-season graft and great signing
McArdle, great signing
G Jones, leader, grafter, great signing
Meredith, courted by L1 and CCC clubs, greta capture.
Thompson, played as a RM great signing, allowed to dictate his own position, dubious.
Atkinson, has lots and lots to prove, hasn't started that task too well.

That to me is fair comment and mostly what I have heard and seen, there have been negative comments re G Jones age but that is completely negated by the fact he has played 511 games in the last 5 seasons, age to him is no detractment from his game as yet.

There have also been negative comments re the signing and performances to date of Atkinson, every single one founded on eye-witness evidence, the boy has been poor in all but one game and even I could manage(46) to put in a half decent shift 1 out of 20.

The rest of the inbound players have received positive comments and no-one was expecting us to sign better quality than we have, if Greengrass is referring to something I haven't seen and some fans have knocked other signings mentioned above then he may have a small point but there was no real need to make it and alienate fans towards himself.

His legacy should be of club saviour but it won't be.

Captain Beige wrote:
Mark Lawn : I like what you did there. You know you have a reputation for speaking before thinking, so you have used that to get everyone talking about the squad again in a positive light. Job Done as they say. He won't win any popularity contests, but he's achieved what he set out to with this story

Are you Alistair Campbell in disguise, brought in in a panic by JR to try coordinate some damage limitation and positive spin, from yet another ML PR disaster!?

Lawn & Rhodes, you do a good job at city and have backed every manager you have appointed only for them to let you down, with bad signings and shocking tatics.
strange interview so close to start of the season and strange to be so defensive and against the fans. You marketed the club very well to sell season tickets and have backed a manager who has made some sensible signings. Is this your way of saying maybe we over promised in the season ticket campaign? Lets hope this manager does not let you down..... but set realistic targets anything above 18th will be a good season.

We needed Cazorla FFS!

Now get Sahin please!

ML - big gob and just can't help himself.

Name any other business proprietor that seeks to alienate his customers?

Best if you just shut up and leave the PR stuff to Mr Baldwin - he knows how to do it without upsetting everyone.

Meat Pie wrote:
ML - big gob and just can't help himself. Name any other business proprietor that seeks to alienate his customers? Best if you just shut up and leave the PR stuff to Mr Baldwin - he knows how to do it without upsetting everyone.

was just about to say. if this is the quality of business men in Bradford no wonder the city is in a mess. no need what so ever.

Prisoner

i agree with your assesment of the players and fans response which was fair.

ANY Fans questioning Jones signing may have a point in certain respects. He is at the older end of the scale and this can be an important factor when injuries occur and during an heavy programme of games.
If it wasn't everyone would be playing at Giggs age. On giggs, he's used wisely and sparingly at times. Man utd can afford to do this but our smaller squad may not allow for this. Already the Ravenhill injury could be said to be impacting our start. Injuries take longer to heal as you are older, as you and i probably know ;-).

On this rather than footballing ability, signing ANY older player, other than a keeper, carries greater risks than someone in their prime......wonder if Lawn thinks this way ;-)??????

Miss Stallard

you cite sensible signings then believe that anything over 18th place is a "good season".

i'd hardly call it good and feel that Lawn will be moaning his pants off were we to finish 17th??????

I'd argue that this is a far more negative viewpoint than any fan that has questioned the quality of signings.

Whilst promotion requires tempering, we should at least expect to aim for top half of the table and or pushing where our budget compares with others. I think thats reasonable. Even Lawn probably expects a competition for the play-off's.

Anything less and then surely the moaning fans (whoever they may be)are right to do so?

Johsay wrote:
Who has been moaning? Where is he monitoring these days as he's shut down the OMB so who's moaning and where?

Amazing.

Since when did Lawn shut down the OMB?

And plenty complained a few weeks ago at the lack of action and lack of big signings.

Dear o Dear Mr Lawn. what have you started now. attacking the fans again. i dont know! when will you ever learn.
sometimes certain opinions need to be kept out of the press. because it will come back to hit you in the perverbials and hurt.

dannbradfc wrote:
Miss Stallard you cite sensible signings then believe that anything over 18th place is a "good season". i'd hardly call it good and feel that Lawn will be moaning his pants off were we to finish 17th?????? I'd argue that this is a far more negative viewpoint than any fan that has questioned the quality of signings. Whilst promotion requires tempering, we should at least expect to aim for top half of the table and or pushing where our budget compares with others. I think thats reasonable. Even Lawn probably expects a competition for the play-off's. Anything less and then surely the moaning fans (whoever they may be)are right to do so?

Every season we have been in the basement league, we have set out to win promotion only to fail. We have set ourselves up to expect promotion but failed. This gives supporters the wrong expectations and when we have failed we have brought additional pressure and dismay on the football club. We have lost supporters, developed alot of frustrated supporters and this has also created a nervous atmoshphere within VP which i also think has added to underperformance on the pitch. If we are realistic and expect to improve on the previous season maybe this pressure will be removed and we can enjoy football, the players can enjoy the VP experience and you never know we may over perform.
Sensible signings they are! they have brought a mixture of potential and experience into the club. In my opinion these are not exciting signings that the club mentioned to sell season tickets. It is too early to judge if these will be successful signings. This is not negative, i am not having a go at anyone, i am simply stating that we should remove the burden of promotion as being expected and enjoy the season. I feel a mid table finish would be more in line with what i saying rather than a17th placed finish you have stated. However if we do finish 17th and develop the potential within the squad we will have improved on last season. At this stage last season would you have accepted a 18th place finish? I would not have but that is what happened.

northyorksbantam wrote:

Captain Beige wrote:
Mark Lawn : I like what you did there. You know you have a reputation for speaking before thinking, so you have used that to get everyone talking about the squad again in a positive light. Job Done as they say. He won't win any popularity contests, but he's achieved what he set out to with this story

Are you Alistair Campbell in disguise, brought in in a panic by JR to try coordinate some damage limitation and positive spin, from yet another ML PR disaster!?

Mark Lawn will always have his knockers. But will he gain anything by fronting up to "fans" who hate his guts? Fat chance.

Shoot Me Im a City Fan wrote:
Dear o Dear Mr Lawn. what have you started now. attacking the fans again. i dont know! when will you ever learn. sometimes certain opinions need to be kept out of the press. because it will come back to hit you in the perverbials and hurt.

Yes, but some fans do deserve criticism.
After all, they are not shy of handing out criticism - as above.

I just can't believe you lot. When the article (Watch out for the big name signings) was printed, every one of you posters took the pi$$ out of the club and management and jokingly aimed digs at them about Messi signing for City. Since the club started signing quality players, we were all agreeing to these signings and nobody moaned. Havn't you all stopped to think that Mr Law might just read some of these posts while you all have a sarcastic dig at him? Maybe it's just his way of having a tongue in cheek dig back at us. When I bought the paper this morning and saw that article, I couldn't stop laughing. Maybe it's his way of saying leave me the fcuk alone and think about supporting the club and getting behind the manager lads. Maybe he read some of the posts from Correctness and got the idea from him lol. I personally agree with some of the points he has made and he was just asking what do we really want as far as quality and big names go?

ALEXIMO.56. wrote:
I just can't believe you lot. When the article (Watch out for the big name signings) was printed, every one of you posters took the pi$$ out of the club and management and jokingly aimed digs at them about Messi signing for City. Since the club started signing quality players, we were all agreeing to these signings and nobody moaned. Havn't you all stopped to think that Mr Law might just read some of these posts while you all have a sarcastic dig at him? Maybe it's just his way of having a tongue in cheek dig back at us. When I bought the paper this morning and saw that article, I couldn't stop laughing. Maybe it's his way of saying leave me the fcuk alone and think about supporting the club and getting behind the manager lads. Maybe he read some of the posts from Correctness and got the idea from him lol. I personally agree with some of the points he has made and he was just asking what do we really want as far as quality and big names go?

Correction, Get behind the manager and the players.

Lawn was the one trumpeting £100k signings in not so distant past.The club were telling us about signings to excite us. We've heard all this before in the last couple of seasons (Remember Jacko reeling off a "who's who" of top players last year only to sign dross from Scotland). Lawn should leave the PR to those at the club who have experience of dealing with the public. I'm sure many a fan hope and pray a benefactor comes along and buys him out so we don't have to be rapped across the knuckles like naughty children every couple of months.

Laney1989 wrote:

LuvFootball wrote:

Laney1989 wrote:

LuvFootball wrote: ARE SOME OF YOU PEOPE FOR REAL? If you don't like the signings, then put your own God **** money in then and bring in Robin Van Persie, Dimitar Berbatov or Luka Modric. Lawn is 100% right here, and he is not the only person to say this, how many posts on here always complain because they want more elite signings way above our standard. A couple of seasons ago McCall signed some big players for our division, and guess what, we are still here. Jesus bloody Christ, if you don't like it, then bugger off or put your own money in and pay for the players and their wages. We need players good enough to get us out of the 4th division, not just big names, that is why England can never do well, that is why we struggled in the 2nd season in the first division. Apart from 1 player, I am happy with the signings, and we have been competing with 2nd division clubs for the players we signed. The mighty Beeston United were competing with us to sign Gray, like him or not, a club 2 divisions above us rate him enough to be part of a promotion push, and competing with a Champions League club to keep Ramsden whatever way you want to look at it. I really can't believe how disillutional some armchair football fans are. As long as people like that exist, we will never succeed at the international stage, clubs will never progress, only fall. At times I really do wish Lawn and Rhodes say enough is enough and walk away and let's see what happens to our club. Parkinson has mustered up a squad good enough for promotion, with a bit of luck, a lot of hard work, we could very well say goodbye to division 4 in 2013. If you don't like how Lawn and Rhodes are spending their money, then put your own money in or shut up.

Hmmm... . I think you need to take a deep breath and re-read people's comments on here. . Re-read people's comments on Claret & Banter . Re-read's people's comments on Bradford City Fans forum . That’s what we are saying here…NOBODY has slagged the team off so the need for his comments?! . “Armchair Football Fans” – This really made me laugh :-)

I know not all fans expect quality players from higher divisions, but over the years there has been a rumbling, I know some is frustration because of our predicament over the past 12 years, but it doesn't have grate me when people moan for the sake of it. I generally don't listen to Lawn, but when he says things close o the bone, some don't like it. Also when was the interview taken? When you look on the net, the T and A are not always the first to post the news, sometimes a few days after things have happened. Read the pages over the past few weeks, past few years even, and yes, there are people slagging the team and manager off. Already some people think we are awash at sea because we lost to a 3rd division club in a friendly. Would be nice though, just once, where every post on a news snippet was either positive, or constructive and not moan about anything, or look for holes if the holes are there or not.

I'd like to know were you've seen City supporters slag the team off over the past few weeks. . That would be great. . Cheers

Laney, how about your earlier post today where you state your "fed up with everything to do with the club....from players, management, board, our own supporters"?
I mean fair play to you for getting a season ticket again but to suggest that there's been no moaning is way off target.

Oh goodness gracious me.

How on easrth did this nonsense start after what I can only observe as top drawer signings.

Compared to last summer when a combo of Jacko and the "working for expenses only" while picking up benefits development director archibold conspired to create probably the most shocking ill prepared squad in history.

I do not see anything too controversial in his comments.

The one who does harmony in this no favours is Simon Parker.

His headline pathetic pun is not the first time his hopeless attempt at wit creates a mood of tensions and disrespect.he would be better engaged in slapstick and shopuld consider a career move.
You would never have had Don Alred or David Markham engaging in this sort of sensationalistic journalism.

Yes Lawnee the T & A have had you again.

Is it any wonder their sales are down from 130000 25 years ago to a paltry 30000.

Well done to Mark Lawn for assembling a far from Messi squad in a far from messi affair.

I stopped buying this dross years ago.

It's not the signings that are worrrying...more like the horrific official website that represents Bradford City Football Club. I mean who designed and more importantly authorised such a mess?
The new away strip was bad, this new website that thousands of people will view is something you will find pub teams with!!!

Are you all living in la-la land , maybe missing your fix of life because people are not running around kicking a pigs bladder(as was) do you not have enough sport i.e. olympics,cricket,rug
by to keep you all satisfied without picking on every word that was passed on by a junior scribe and believing the gospel. Mark Lawn was only replying to some of the so called supporters tongue in cheek remarks posted on this site, if anyone is that stupid as to take his remarks as serious then i feel sorry for your generation.

What a plonker you are Mr Lawn 32 Carrrot plonker>while i/we massively appreciate all you have done keeping our club going this is an horrendous statement to put out try a sandwich next time you fancy a snack a lot easier to digest than a size ten boot!
you created the problem at the start with the eye opening signings comment just before season ticket offers ended and quickly got the biggest signing in before this happened i Davies no waiting for contracts to expire in his case Dodgy! i think quite possibly.
As for slagging off the signing i am also very happy with the signings we have made with the exception of Atkinson,although bar Davies and Doyle non of the rest opened my eyes wide.

jackez20591 wrote:

Johsay wrote: Who has been moaning? Where is he monitoring these days as he's shut down the OMB so who's moaning and where? Amazing.

Since when did Lawn shut down the OMB? And plenty complained a few weeks ago at the lack of action and lack of big signings.

And why are you so sure it is not Mark Lawn who has shut down the OMB on the City site ? I'd say the comments above support just why Mark Lawn shut it down ! because he does not like fans having a different opinion to his !!!!.

I suppose in view of lawns words of scorn. None of you will be buying a season ticket this year. Mind you had he signed messi, kaka, Rooney and Ronaldo. You lot still wouldn't be happy. I hope they, city, have a good season, make division one, have a good cup run. But that still won't be could enough for some of you.

Well, i was excited about the new season and the signings but find Mr Lawns comments quite offensive. If i wanted big name signings i'd be like the majority of Bradfordians wandering about in a man utd or chelsea shirt rather than being a season ticket holder at my local club like i have been since the 80's. Football is about opinions Mr Lawn. We are all armchair managers and love discussing who we would and wouldnt sign. That isnt criticising the club. And you were the one who mentioned signings that would turn heads. And you were the one who said Syers can go cos we'll get someone better. So why so upset about the fans having opinions about who we do then sign? My opinion is that the midfield is still weak. We need Taiwo. Ravenhill and Ritchie Jones i dont think will be good enough for a promotion challenge. That isnt a criticism. And if we cant afford Taiwo's wages fair enough. So, having said all that would ZMr Lawn rather i went to support a different club? Could never support a non-local side so BPA it is if Mr Lawn prefers.

theviking62 wrote:
I suppose in view of lawns words of scorn. None of you will be buying a season ticket this year. Mind you had he signed messi, kaka, Rooney and Ronaldo. You lot still wouldn't be happy. I hope they, city, have a good season, make division one, have a good cup run. But that still won't be could enough for some of you.

Stick to "raping and pillaging" theviking62 your above comment is a little childish to say the least !!!.

Just re-read the article and perhaps this is actually just poor journalism. If it had simply been a positive article about Mr Lawn's thoughts/pleasure at the signings then all would be well. Mr Lawn needs media training and a media manager at bcfc should be the spoc for the t&a who should never have published this article.

theviking62 wrote:
I suppose in view of lawns words of scorn. None of you will be buying a season ticket this year. Mind you had he signed messi, kaka, Rooney and Ronaldo. You lot still wouldn't be happy. I hope they, city, have a good season, make division one, have a good cup run. But that still won't be could enough for some of you.

most people on here get season tickets every year regardless of lawns bullsh-it about head turning signing sales pitch so he's the one ho should shut it.
don't make the statement in the 1st place then feel foolish and have a go at the fans AFTER they buy tickets.
would not have mouthed off in june!!
in comparison to personal wealth most city fans have put in plenty of money so they are entitled to an OPINION.
and thats all it is, but MOST fans think we will do ok.
ALEXIMO.56.- are you for real?
luvfootball, nice name shame you ant got a clue what you are talking about!!
mark lawn must have 2 aliases!!!

Meat Pie wrote:
ML - big gob and just can't help himself.

Name any other business proprietor that seeks to alienate his customers?

Best if you just shut up and leave the PR stuff to Mr Baldwin - he knows how to do it without upsetting everyone.

Carcraft, BT, Virgin, any insurance company, GAME, honestly I can name God knows how many. Buy something and try and return it, some companies behave like you have unleashed the bubonic plague. Also you are treated like a criminal at airports, music venues and some sport stadia where they treat the fans like criminals by petting us down. I went to see Brazil and every single fan was frisked like a common criminal. Talk about alienating your customers and taking our freedom away. Lawn may have a big mouth, but he aims it at the negativeness that some fans live and thrive on.

As chairmen go, there are loads worse out there and everything he does we know he does it for the good of City and not trying to screw the club or run it down. People have even moaned that he has "lent" money to the club and not given it out of his pocket. People constantly slate Morrison and wonder why he doesn't plough in his entire wealth, to be honest, if I was him I wouldn't either. If Lawn revealed Fergie as our new manager tomorrow loads would moan because he is too old.

Also people have been moaning on here about Gray when we were trying to get him, even when he went 2 divisions higher than us there were comments he wasn't good enough to play for us in the 4th division??? How do they figure that out?

Back to your comment, yes can name loads of companies that alienate their customers, and as for Lawn alienating the fan base, isn't it a small part of the fans alienating him? The very fans that Lawn had a go at before? I don't class myself as one of the fans he is alienating, he isn't alienating me or my family.

The only ones getting upset are the ones he is talking of. If you are not one of the fans he does not speak of, then why get upset?

settler07 wrote:
Just re-read the article and perhaps this is actually just poor journalism. If it had simply been a positive article about Mr Lawn's thoughts/pleasure at the signings then all would be well. Mr Lawn needs media training and a media manager at bcfc should be the spoc for the t&a who should never have published this article.

If he said anything positive in the eyes of everybody, would anybody listen?

LuvFootball wrote:

Meat Pie wrote: ML - big gob and just can't help himself. Name any other business proprietor that seeks to alienate his customers? Best if you just shut up and leave the PR stuff to Mr Baldwin - he knows how to do it without upsetting everyone.

Carcraft, BT, Virgin, any insurance company, GAME, honestly I can name God knows how many. Buy something and try and return it, some companies behave like you have unleashed the bubonic plague. Also you are treated like a criminal at airports, music venues and some sport stadia where they treat the fans like criminals by petting us down. I went to see Brazil and every single fan was frisked like a common criminal. Talk about alienating your customers and taking our freedom away. Lawn may have a big mouth, but he aims it at the negativeness that some fans live and thrive on. As chairmen go, there are loads worse out there and everything he does we know he does it for the good of City and not trying to screw the club or run it down. People have even moaned that he has "lent" money to the club and not given it out of his pocket. People constantly slate Morrison and wonder why he doesn't plough in his entire wealth, to be honest, if I was him I wouldn't either. If Lawn revealed Fergie as our new manager tomorrow loads would moan because he is too old. Also people have been moaning on here about Gray when we were trying to get him, even when he went 2 divisions higher than us there were comments he wasn't good enough to play for us in the 4th division??? How do they figure that out? Back to your comment, yes can name loads of companies that alienate their customers, and as for Lawn alienating the fan base, isn't it a small part of the fans alienating him? The very fans that Lawn had a go at before? I don't class myself as one of the fans he is alienating, he isn't alienating me or my family. The only ones getting upset are the ones he is talking of. If you are not one of the fans he does not speak of, then why get upset?

You have obviously never met the guy ? "you can take the lad out of Thorpe Edge" BUT "you can't take Thorpe Edge out of the lad" comes to mind!!.

Peter Beagrie Is Mint wrote:
It's not the signings that are worrrying...more like the horrific official website that represents Bradford City Football Club. I mean who designed and more importantly authorised such a mess?
The new away strip was bad, this new website that thousands of people will view is something you will find pub teams with!!!

That is the only thing I will say is totally crap when comes to BCFC. I go on newsnowfootball and other sites and get news a couple of days sooner in some cases compared to what should be the original source of the official club page. When I see news come up on there it is old hat. Very rare I go on the official website, it's dreadful and set out poorly.

Chairman lawn messi ng about in the local telegraph & argos again

I usually stick up for Lawn most of the time mainly because I do see is point of you and everyone is entitled to their own opinion however this time I dont see why he decided to say what as been said yes there are certain so called fans on here who will always find a way to dig the club or the board as they know different but why have a go at the real fans when yet again we have backed the club with around 9000 season tickets beening sold including the flexi cards shows the support is there.

The signing are of better quailty we have had for sometime and this is the first time I feel confident for a while about our chances. Another couple of signing in 1 or 2 areas if the budget allows and I would say we have as strong as any other team in this league.

yangyeight wrote:
oh look lawn as put his foot in it again and alienated the fans to boot!!
does he not listen to the fans?
most people are excited about the new season and why mention messi and ronaldo?
why do this story at all and why mention bulls?
its not like we have not done it before!
idiot as no clue!
put me in a good mood before park avenue game, not!!

Fatty cannot keep his mouth shut!
Just keep it shut and put money into this club!

I love it! Folks come on here regularly criticising in a negative way, wanting managers sacked on a regular basis, supporting others that claim they are going to verbally abuse managers and players alike and then get all upset because a long-time supporter who puts a hell of a lot of his money on the line to help the team he loves dares to have a little dig at SOME supporters. It's all right for many on here to post ANONYMOUSLY all sorts of abuse but but not acceptable for the Chairman to give his 'non politically correct ' response to questions from a reporter?

If what he's said has offended those of you that like to spend most of your time negatively criticising anything that
has a pulse down at VP under the right of 'OPINION' then good. Is he not entitled to HIS opinion? He hasn't upset me.

Dear Mr. Lawn, have you no ambition? Of course City fans want to see Messi and Ronaldo playing at Valley Parade. Messin aside, we have signed some great players, and I will be going to the bookies to bet City will be in League 1 next season. You heard it hear first, nobody makes predictions like me, nobody!

Come on you Bantams, CTID!

lonniejockstrap wrote:
I love it! Folks come on here regularly criticising in a negative way, wanting managers sacked on a regular basis, supporting others that claim they are going to verbally abuse managers and players alike and then get all upset because a long-time supporter who puts a hell of a lot of his money on the line to help the team he loves dares to have a little dig at SOME supporters. It's all right for many on here to post ANONYMOUSLY all sorts of abuse but but not acceptable for the Chairman to give his 'non politically correct ' response to questions from a reporter?

If what he's said has offended those of you that like to spend most of your time negatively criticising anything that
has a pulse down at VP under the right of 'OPINION' then good. Is he not entitled to HIS opinion? He hasn't upset me.

Spot on. People saying they haven't seen people moaning about the signings obviously haven't been reading the T&A comments sections this summer where every signing, rumoured signing or lack of signing has been slagged off and PP has come in for some utterly ludicrous abuse. Anything Lawn says is gonna get slagged off by our 'fans', good job he's thick skinned, I'd have pulled my money out ages ago and let the billionaire football experts who are on here moaning 24/7 put their money where their enormous mouths are.

balbrigganfc wrote:
Dear Mr. Lawn, have you no ambition? Of course City fans want to see Messi and Ronaldo playing at Valley Parade. Messin aside, we have signed some great players, and I will be going to the bookies to bet City will be in League 1 next season. You heard it hear first, nobody makes predictions like me, nobody!

Come on you Bantams, CTID!

backed em ages ago!!!

yangyeight wrote:

balbrigganfc wrote:
Dear Mr. Lawn, have you no ambition? Of course City fans want to see Messi and Ronaldo playing at Valley Parade. Messin aside, we have signed some great players, and I will be going to the bookies to bet City will be in League 1 next season. You heard it hear first, nobody makes predictions like me, nobody!

Come on you Bantams, CTID!

backed em ages ago!!!

I predicted it ages ago, but have yet to get off my **** and put my money where my predictions are.

An inocuous conversation with a T&A reporter has probably, unfairly on this occasion, shown Mark Lawn in a bad light, due to a slow news day requiring some sort of story to fill the allotted space

Given the reduced season ticket income, I am amazed at the quality of some of the signings. No doubt Mark Lawn has been putting his hand in his pocket again to finance the deals and, for that, we should all be thankful.

I don't particularly care for the man but he's Bradford City through and through and, given his investment in the club, I have no problem with him setting the record straight on what he
believes is unfair criticism.

I think his comments have been blown out of all proportion.

I don't remember Mark Lawn promising mouth watering signings but I think David Balwin saying something on those lines when he announced the treble 50 and the new season tickets and maybe Jonathon Rhodes gave that impression. Lets not judge the team before a ball has been kicked in anger because the signings made may just be the mouth watering players we have expected or SOME have expected.

Pablo wrote:
An inocuous conversation with a T&A reporter has probably, unfairly on this occasion, shown Mark Lawn in a bad light, due to a slow news day requiring some sort of story to fill the allotted space Given the reduced season ticket income, I am amazed at the quality of some of the signings. No doubt Mark Lawn has been putting his hand in his pocket again to finance the deals and, for that, we should all be thankful. I don't particularly care for the man but he's Bradford City through and through and, given his investment in the club, I have no problem with him setting the record straight on what he believes is unfair criticism. I think his comments have been blown out of all proportion.

A T&A reporter unfairly shown Mark Lawn in a bad light ?, Mark Lawn needs no help on that score, Mark will take plenty of adulation if we have our first season of sucsess under his joint chairmanship you can bet on that.

LuvFootball wrote:

Peter Beagrie Is Mint wrote:
It's not the signings that are worrrying...more like the horrific official website that represents Bradford City Football Club. I mean who designed and more importantly authorised such a mess?
The new away strip was bad, this new website that thousands of people will view is something you will find pub teams with!!!

That is the only thing I will say is totally crap when comes to BCFC. I go on newsnowfootball and other sites and get news a couple of days sooner in some cases compared to what should be the original source of the official club page. When I see news come up on there it is old hat. Very rare I go on the official website, it's dreadful and set out poorly.

The new style website is common to many other clubs.....and guess what?.....their fans hate the design as well. Not sure which company designed it,but they need a "talking to"!

It amazes me that Mr Lawn has the nerve to attack fans, who he feels question signings. You will never please all the people all the time! However, as others have pointed out, despite years of decline, the support for this club is actually holding up. Why is it necessary to get into an arguement with fans, who question and indeed criticise.
I can only think of a small minority of 'leaders', who demand total uncritical obedience to the cause! Perhaps Mr Lawn could learn something from his Co Chairman, and remain silent.

Bradford Park Avenue 3 Bradford City 1.

Bradford Park Avenue 3 Bradford City 1 1.

Did I read that right?

Bradford Park Avenue 3 Bradford City

Now thats what I call mouth watering signigs.

Frothing at the mouth more like.

Mind you Lawnee if you did sign Messi or Ronaldo it would be wasted on some of this lot who continually slate you on here.

Glad to see you were looking a bit trimmer last night.

Stay off the sauce and Nil Carborundum Illegitamae.

Mind you that will be wasted on them too.

Good luck to City for the new season.
Your squad is shaping.

But we gave you one hell of a beating.
Again.

Bradford Park Avenue 7 Bradford City 2.

Hector bagged 5 that night,ah those were the days,lets hope one day the crowds of twelve or thirteen thousand return to those great bradford derby days.

I'm just back from a fortnight in Gran Canaria. During first week, was stood with my family waiting in a taxi line at the beach at the end of the day, when I heard a commotion at the front of the line. I looked forward, and saw this very large person wearing a very very large pink polo shirt, with the bantams motif, kicking off about having to queue up / wait in the sunshine. I thought I recognised the person, who by now had hands flapping in the air "I want a taxi!!!" (so do we all, was the general reply), then noticed the blue XXXL shorts with the ML embroidered on them........ he looked more like Spongebob, but there was no doubt - our gracious Chairman can embarass me even when I'm on holiday...........

HongKong wrote:

Laney1989 wrote:

LuvFootball wrote:

Laney1989 wrote:

LuvFootball wrote: ARE SOME OF YOU PEOPE FOR REAL? If you don't like the signings, then put your own God **** money in then and bring in Robin Van Persie, Dimitar Berbatov or Luka Modric. Lawn is 100% right here, and he is not the only person to say this, how many posts on here always complain because they want more elite signings way above our standard. A couple of seasons ago McCall signed some big players for our division, and guess what, we are still here. Jesus bloody Christ, if you don't like it, then bugger off or put your own money in and pay for the players and their wages. We need players good enough to get us out of the 4th division, not just big names, that is why England can never do well, that is why we struggled in the 2nd season in the first division. Apart from 1 player, I am happy with the signings, and we have been competing with 2nd division clubs for the players we signed. The mighty Beeston United were competing with us to sign Gray, like him or not, a club 2 divisions above us rate him enough to be part of a promotion push, and competing with a Champions League club to keep Ramsden whatever way you want to look at it. I really can't believe how disillutional some armchair football fans are. As long as people like that exist, we will never succeed at the international stage, clubs will never progress, only fall. At times I really do wish Lawn and Rhodes say enough is enough and walk away and let's see what happens to our club. Parkinson has mustered up a squad good enough for promotion, with a bit of luck, a lot of hard work, we could very well say goodbye to division 4 in 2013. If you don't like how Lawn and Rhodes are spending their money, then put your own money in or shut up.

Hmmm... . I think you need to take a deep breath and re-read people's comments on here. . Re-read people's comments on Claret & Banter . Re-read's people's comments on Bradford City Fans forum . That’s what we are saying here…NOBODY has slagged the team off so the need for his comments?! . “Armchair Football Fans” – This really made me laugh :-)

I know not all fans expect quality players from higher divisions, but over the years there has been a rumbling, I know some is frustration because of our predicament over the past 12 years, but it doesn't have grate me when people moan for the sake of it. I generally don't listen to Lawn, but when he says things close o the bone, some don't like it. Also when was the interview taken? When you look on the net, the T and A are not always the first to post the news, sometimes a few days after things have happened. Read the pages over the past few weeks, past few years even, and yes, there are people slagging the team and manager off. Already some people think we are awash at sea because we lost to a 3rd division club in a friendly. Would be nice though, just once, where every post on a news snippet was either positive, or constructive and not moan about anything, or look for holes if the holes are there or not.

I'd like to know were you've seen City supporters slag the team off over the past few weeks. . That would be great. . Cheers

Laney, how about your earlier post today where you state your "fed up with everything to do with the club....from players, management, board, our own supporters"?
I mean fair play to you for getting a season ticket again but to suggest that there's been no moaning is way off target.

If you read my post again you will know that I was talking about the pathetic drivel we had to endure last season.
.
Why would I moan about this season when it hasn't even started yet?

arhmen aleg wrote:
Bradford Park Avenue 3 Bradford City 1.

Bradford Park Avenue 3 Bradford City 1 1.

Did I read that right?

Bradford Park Avenue 3 Bradford City

Now thats what I call mouth watering signigs.

Frothing at the mouth more like.

Mind you Lawnee if you did sign Messi or Ronaldo it would be wasted on some of this lot who continually slate you on here.

Glad to see you were looking a bit trimmer last night.

Stay off the sauce and Nil Carborundum Illegitamae.

Mind you that will be wasted on them too.

Good luck to City for the new season.
Your squad is shaping.

But we gave you one hell of a beating.
Again.

Bradford Park Avenue 7 Bradford City 2.

Hector bagged 5 that night,ah those were the days,lets hope one day the crowds of twelve or thirteen thousand return to those great bradford derby days.

What a nob. We had what looked like our B team out! Are things that bad at avenue to get excited and act like a child?

arhmen aleg wrote:
Bradford Park Avenue 3 Bradford City 1. Bradford Park Avenue 3 Bradford City 1 1. Did I read that right? Bradford Park Avenue 3 Bradford City Now thats what I call mouth watering signigs. Frothing at the mouth more like. Mind you Lawnee if you did sign Messi or Ronaldo it would be wasted on some of this lot who continually slate you on here. Glad to see you were looking a bit trimmer last night. Stay off the sauce and Nil Carborundum Illegitamae. Mind you that will be wasted on them too. Good luck to City for the new season. Your squad is shaping. But we gave you one hell of a beating. Again. Bradford Park Avenue 7 Bradford City 2. Hector bagged 5 that night,ah those were the days,lets hope one day the crowds of twelve or thirteen thousand return to those great bradford derby days.

Remember that night very well,but don't believe we will ever see the likes of 12/13,000 for a derby game as,
1, you can't get 12/13,000 in Horsefall
2, the 12/13,000 would be mostly made up with City fans as Avenue have a small fan base and no way could that be multiplied into 1,000s when kids would rather watch Man U,Chelsea,Man City, ETC sorry don't believe we will see any time in the near future, but nice sentiment as the old derbies were great rivalry.

Every single time Lawn comes out with these stupendous articles slating the fans the comments section hits another high. This surely speaks volumes!

Thanks and all that Mr Lawn, but I haven't heard one snipe about these signings. I can't stand you.

benish wrote:
Every single time Lawn comes out with these stupendous articles slating the fans the comments section hits another high. This surely speaks volumes!

Thanks and all that Mr Lawn, but I haven't heard one snipe about these signings. I can't stand you.

Don't say you didn't hear the criticism of many on here re Atkinson?

Here's a post criticising all the signings bar Davies it appears:

theoutsider says...
12:18am Thu 5 Jul 12

Has Lawn found his old contacts book from when Stuart was boss, sure we were supposed to be signing Thompson then and Gary Jones. Both arrive about 4 years too late and well past there best. We continue to recruit Steve Parkins 'mates' in my view and all at the wrong stage of their career. Apart from the re-signing of Davies wheres the excitment for the fans - very underwhelmed by 5 of the signings, non inspire and this is not a team who are going to take the required 30pts from the first 15 games. I reckon Mr Parkinson may not make it to November unless he has more transfer ammo up his sleeve.

Here is one re: Connell:

pride of yorkshire says...
11:00pm Fri 20 Jul 12

Never heard of him,Top scorer with13 goals,I cant remember ever seeing him down on score sheet!if you was a top scorer for for the title winners i would imagine you would score more than 13 as well lol!!!!

Re the signing of Gary Jones:

Avenger78 says...
8:59am Sat 23 Jun 12

We dont need 35 year olds we need young players so we can build a team, so there can gel together season after season.
I know he his a good player but we should be looking at the long term not the short one, you get no where by signing short term players who are end of the careers.
Should of gone out and got a young prem Lonee for the season wouldnt that of been better?

and a couple more just for the hell of it:

theoutsider wrote:
So let me get this right we let an all action 23 yr old box to box midfielder - a real game changer leave the club - Dave Syers and bring in a 35 year old mate of Steve Parkins with his best days now behind him...mmmm summat wrong here Jones is a poor signing and smacks of Branston 2. This signing if anything tells you we aint going to cut it again this season. Wheres the energy coming from in this team we are assembling because I don't see any.

prince35 says re above post...
2:50pm Sat 23 Jun 12
another excellent post.
Real bradford cty fans,not getting excited over a new signing, but seeing the bigger picture.

I think we could class the above as snipes and there's more than 'one' provided just to show ML isn't making it up. Who knows how much earache he is getting as he mingles with supporters at friendlies etc.

NOTE: This information is presented purely in the interests of adding balance to a thread. :)