Bradford City striker Wells in no rush over contract negotiations (From Bradford Telegraph and Argus)

He's waiting to see how the season pans out and whether there is a chance or promotion maybe?

And so he should. No one would hamstring themselves when there's an opportunity to do better for themselves and their family.

Hopefully we will do the biz and he will stay.

and if it does not work out, what then?. Will he rush to sign a contract which disappears.

i cannot see it not working as he is simply too fast for defences in this league and too fast for linesmen as well so he will have to time his runs better or get midfielders playing the ball quicker to him.

Would have loved to see this guy play with Carbone!!

It's sounds to me like there is no chance of him signing that contract. Trying not to have my City hat on, i can't see his logic in not signing. He could get a bad injury or lose form this season which would weaken his position. If he signs he has the security of 4 years and if he continues to progress City would sell him anyway if a decent offer came in from the Championship or higher. I've no doubt there would be a minimum fee release clause in his contract as well. My guess is his agent has told him not to sign in the hope he can get him a move with big wages next summer.

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tyker2 says...
8:48am Tue 31 Jul 12
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neiltherealdeal says...
8:51am Tue 31 Jul 12

I agree with BOTH your comments. Tyker is correct in his assessment of this players' speed and constantly being caught offside.
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NAHKI-- has got a lot to learn in the game.
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His Agent could get it totally wrong, and the delaying tactic, could 'Back-Fire' on them both. They are playing a very dangerous waiting game.
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Higher league clubs are also monitoring Nahki's playing abilities. They will not make any moves for him , until there is a consistancy in his playing skills -fitness-and avoidance of injuries.
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I would strongly advise Nahki to sign this contract on offer now. Ignoring any other thoughts, or mis-placed thinking & advice- from other sources.
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Even if he did sign a contract now he would only be 26 when it expired. In the short term he increases his earnings and in the medium term he would get a move to a higher division IF he continues to show the form he showed last year.

Personally I think he is banking on the same form as last year and a swift move up the leagues either in the mid season window or at the end of next season.

He wants to watch his bloody step he should have snatched the clubs hand off with the offer of a four year contract dont get too big for ya boots Nakki.Yes he had a fantastic season last time around but he has it all to prove again.Smacks a little bit of Luke Obrien he got too big for his boots and look at him now!!
Lots of factors if i was him to consider
1.Could suffer second season syndrome
2.Could (god forbib) get a nasty injury
3.Why not sign got security of a 4 year contract and much better money.
4.Cant see signing hampering any serious offers in the future.
5.If not careful could get the dreaded cold shoulder treatment from Parky/board and where would that leave him
6.It a great show of appreciation to our club for giving him a chance with nowt to lose on his part
7.We will not get relegated no chance if taking into account all the above factors do i want to take the risk all be it small of playing non league football in a couple of years time for coppers
Theres more but you get my point not being negative Nakki but have long hard think and good look around at where you are our ground fans support etc your a lucky lad dont be swayed by some agent who is more interested in lining his own pocket

1 bingley bantam wrote:
He wants to watch his bloody step he should have snatched the clubs hand off with the offer of a four year contract dont get too big for ya boots Nakki.Yes he had a fantastic season last time around but he has it all to prove again.Smacks a little bit of Luke Obrien he got too big for his boots and look at him now!! Lots of factors if i was him to consider 1.Could suffer second season syndrome 2.Could (god forbib) get a nasty injury 3.Why not sign got security of a 4 year contract and much better money. 4.Cant see signing hampering any serious offers in the future. 5.If not careful could get the dreaded cold shoulder treatment from Parky/board and where would that leave him 6.It a great show of appreciation to our club for giving him a chance with nowt to lose on his part 7.We will not get relegated no chance if taking into account all the above factors do i want to take the risk all be it small of playing non league football in a couple of years time for coppers Theres more but you get my point not being negative Nakki but have long hard think and good look around at where you are our ground fans support etc your a lucky lad dont be swayed by some agent who is more interested in lining his own pocket

Agree with most of the above comments it's all win win on Well's part but just shows there is very little sentiment with modern day footballers, sign the 4 year deal improve (helping City & yourself) and if a bigger club come knocking Well's gets a better deal and City get a return on there investment ?.

Nakki, you should go and have a quiet word with Joe Colbeck. I'm sure he would offer you some sound advise about staying put.

You are currently at a club where you are loved by the fans, and that is after only 1 season. Don't spoil it by going to a "bigger" club where the fans are just annoyed that they have signed a player who finished 18th in L2, and probably warm the bench.

I trust you will make the right decision, both for the club and for yourself.

Think it will do us a favour too.
If he does not score many this season then should we offer him a four year deal? No been funny but let's judge how he does this season.
Don't think there will be an loyalty if he does well and clubs come sniffing.
Cannot blame him for wanting to do better than league two though.

I agree with some above. You are getting too big for your boots a little bit. If you have a bad season this season then I am sure you will be knocking on the managers door for your 4 year contract. Also the grass is not always greener. Who says you can hack it in a higher division anyway.
Think you should snap city's hands off with a four year deal. There's a lot of footballers out there without a club or a contract!

Firstly, o you all hav ay idea what it is offering, how o youknow they aren't offring peanut. All you gys want him todo is signo tha you can control is evey move fer that What abouthis clu in Brmua named Dandy Town, City didn't give them nothing for him, Not even a dark & stormy !!!!!!!!!! So guys before you rush into judgement stop and think.GO NAHKI GO..................
Away with the haters.

my only vision wrote:
Firstly, o you all hav ay idea what it is offering, how o youknow they aren't offring peanut. All you gys want him todo is signo tha you can control is evey move fer that What abouthis clu in Brmua named Dandy Town, City didn't give them nothing for him, Not even a dark & stormy !!!!!!!!!! So guys before you rush into judgement stop and think.GO NAHKI GO..................

Away with the haters.

not certain what you are saying but did we sign him from Dandy town or from carlisle who considered him not good enough i.e not good enough for a mid table plus team a division higher.

Don't hate any city player just looking at what his best options are.

At the end of this season we could offer him a better deal and he could, rightly, reject it and become a free agent with compensation due to us. Was not Tom Taiwo in this situation recently? HAS HE FOUND A NEW CLUB YET?

There's a difference between self confidence and arrogance but Wells is full of both.

It's assuring and endearing to see someone believing in themselves but when they start strutting around as if they're God's gift, then it becomes a little annoying.

I've heard the boy speak a few times and you'd think Barcelona and Milan were sniffing around him.

He needs to put things into perspective a little and remember last season for what it was.

Firstly, he got kicked out of Carlisle and had no club until Mark Ellis persuaded Baldwin to take a look at him, he then didn't get a game for half a season and only got a look in because Hannah got injured in a pre match warm up.

He then came into a side and caused trouble for opposition defences but his finishing was poor. From his 12 in 20 games or whatever it was, 3 of them came in one game so that mean his other 9 came in 19 games.

It's the coaching of PP that is bringing him on.

Yes, there's potential, yes he needs to look after himself financially and yes, he no doubt wants to play at a higher level but do yourself a favour and show a bit of respect to the club that has MADE YOU (I say that lightly as he's barely achieved anything other than a good end to his first real season) and sign the contract for more money, knowing that if he does turn out to be half decent then he'll be sold to a club in a higher division should they come in for him if the money's right.

interestingly Carlisle released him at the end of a season and did not offer him a new contract thereby waiving the right to any compensation. He was that highly thought of then. So after three quarters of a season what has he become. A fourth tier footballer with some potential,

Let's see if he can keep it up for a whole season and then see where we go from there.

His history appears to be this:

Club career
After spending the 2009-10 season with the Dandy Town Hornets, a team he had first joined at the age of 12, Wells spent the 2010 season in the PDL with the Bermuda Hogges.
After moving to the UK to attend the International Academic and Soccer Academy, Wells unerwent a trial with Carlisle United in November 2010, his second with the club. Before moving to the UK, Well has sought the advice of compatriot Shaun Goater. In December 2010, it was announced that Wells would sign for Carlisle United on 1 January 2011. Wells made his debut for Carlisle on 15 January 2011, in a Football League game against Bristol Rovers.
In March 2011, Wells publicly announced his wish to play at Wembley Stadium with Carlisle in the 2011 Football League Trophy Final, to be played in April. However, Wells didn't even make the matchday squad, as Carlisle beat Brentford 1–0.
On 3 May 2011, it was announced that Wells' contract with Carlisle would not be renewed at the end of the season.
In late June 2011, Wells went on trial with Bradford City alongside four other players. He signed a one-year contract with Bradford City on 22 July 2011.

my only vision wrote:
Firstly, o you all hav ay idea what it is offering, how o youknow they aren't offring peanut. All you gys want him todo is signo tha you can control is evey move fer that What abouthis clu in Brmua named Dandy Town, City didn't give them nothing for him, Not even a dark & stormy !!!!!!!!!! So guys before you rush into judgement stop and think.GO NAHKI GO.................. Away with the haters.

You need one of three things "my only vision"
1, a new PC
2, to run your post's through "spell check"
3, get a brain implant.

then again may be you need all three

what gets me is, even though he is clearly a class above, it would seem we waited until he scored a hatrick before offering him a new contract.

Wells, after this season come to the MLS, Toronto FC will be very happy to have you over here. They have your buddy Reggie lambe from Bermuda and they just signed Freddy Hall from Bermuda too, he was a good goalkeeper that Northampton didn't give a **** out. I know for a fact if you do not sign Bradford contract them crackers are gonna try and benchwarm you. So just come to Toronto for a relief.
They have one helluva coach from England and he is your buddy (Paul Mariner) !!!!!!!!!!

my only vision wrote:
Wells, after this season come to the MLS, Toronto FC will be very happy to have you over here. They have your buddy Reggie lambe from Bermuda and they just signed Freddy Hall from Bermuda too, he was a good goalkeeper that Northampton didn't give a **** out. I know for a fact if you do not sign Bradford contract them crackers are gonna try and benchwarm you. So just come to Toronto for a relief.
They have one helluva coach from England and he is your buddy (Paul Mariner) !!!!!!!!!!

you must be on a bad grade of ganga today: why would a 22 year old want to play 3rd division football with a team in Canada:

tyker2 wrote:

my only vision wrote: Wells, after this season come to the MLS, Toronto FC will be very happy to have you over here. They have your buddy Reggie lambe from Bermuda and they just signed Freddy Hall from Bermuda too, he was a good goalkeeper that Northampton didn't give a **** out. I know for a fact if you do not sign Bradford contract them crackers are gonna try and benchwarm you. So just come to Toronto for a relief. They have one helluva coach from England and he is your buddy (Paul Mariner) !!!!!!!!!!

you must be on a bad grade of ganga today: why would a 22 year old want to play 3rd division football with a team in Canada:

Maybe because they have Paul Mariner ?? "my only vision" is a troll re my post above,Well's had a good second half to last season lets hope he improves on that then we may have a valuable asset.

Wells has the potential to be a cracking player, but that is all it is. Potential.

City have had planty of players with potential, who have left the club and have failed. Greame Tomlinson was one, can anyone name more?

my only vision is a troll: perhaps he should visit spec savers who will give him better vision!

I would like to see Wells stay at City because he can only bring strength in depth to the squad battling with Hannah for a place up front, but alas we have a lad in the 4th div. who feels a need to want an agent to tell him what to do (whilst collecting his 10%).

frickleybantam wrote:
Wells has the potential to be a cracking player, but that is all it is. Potential.

City have had planty of players with potential, who have left the club and have failed. Greame Tomlinson was one, can anyone name more?

Yes Des Hamilton!

Think the troll has been on here today under another name!

'Totally focused on another big season with City' - What has this boy been on.

Big difference between ambition and arrogance, a lot of people on here need to realise that

Bikenshaw Illy wrote:

frickleybantam wrote: Wells has the potential to be a cracking player, but that is all it is. Potential. City have had planty of players with potential, who have left the club and have failed. Greame Tomlinson was one, can anyone name more?

Yes Des Hamilton!

That Benito Carbone didn't do much after he left....

we don't know what he's been offered. Someone mentions Colbeck higher up and he was on peanuts thus any move would have been considered by him.

Some lambasted Compton for not signing a contract last season, yet again What if the money was poor? Syers left for a variety of factors but i bet finances was one of them.

City have hinted on numerous occasions how they offer what they think a player is worth with injuries, age etc all again factors.

Thus Nahki may want to sign but perhaps rightly wants a little more money thats on offer? can't blame him for that.

I would argue that its worth city negotiating this considering the potential of a return should nahki show and/or improve the form of last season. We can't really lose that way as we have his services plus any potential transfer fee. I enjoyed watching Nakhi more than most of the side last year. IF he is given some games i expect him to continue to progress. My one concern is that he is frozen out like some last year for not signing. Howeever the counter to this is the consequences of him n ot playing games......

dannbradfc wrote:
we don't know what he's been offered. Someone mentions Colbeck higher up and he was on peanuts thus any move would have been considered by him. Some lambasted Compton for not signing a contract last season, yet again What if the money was poor? Syers left for a variety of factors but i bet finances was one of them. City have hinted on numerous occasions how they offer what they think a player is worth with injuries, age etc all again factors. Thus Nahki may want to sign but perhaps rightly wants a little more money thats on offer? can't blame him for that. I would argue that its worth city negotiating this considering the potential of a return should nahki show and/or improve the form of last season. We can't really lose that way as we have his services plus any potential transfer fee. I enjoyed watching Nakhi more than most of the side last year. IF he is given some games i expect him to continue to progress. My one concern is that he is frozen out like some last year for not signing. Howeever the counter to this is the consequences of him n ot playing games......

The club can't win. The club were criticised to for giving Hanson 3 years after a good opening seasons as he struggled in year two. If they give Nahki too much cash on a four year deal and it doesn't work out then it will cost the club money to get rid. It is only right that they try and strike the right balance for the long-term future of the club and not gamble on a player being worth a fortune in transfer fees later. They can only offer him what a) they think he is worth and b) what they can afford. Fans need to stop thinking that it is so easy to predict the future.

KnightMcCall wrote:

dannbradfc wrote: we don't know what he's been offered. Someone mentions Colbeck higher up and he was on peanuts thus any move would have been considered by him. Some lambasted Compton for not signing a contract last season, yet again What if the money was poor? Syers left for a variety of factors but i bet finances was one of them. City have hinted on numerous occasions how they offer what they think a player is worth with injuries, age etc all again factors. Thus Nahki may want to sign but perhaps rightly wants a little more money thats on offer? can't blame him for that. I would argue that its worth city negotiating this considering the potential of a return should nahki show and/or improve the form of last season. We can't really lose that way as we have his services plus any potential transfer fee. I enjoyed watching Nakhi more than most of the side last year. IF he is given some games i expect him to continue to progress. My one concern is that he is frozen out like some last year for not signing. Howeever the counter to this is the consequences of him n ot playing games......

The club can't win. The club were criticised to for giving Hanson 3 years after a good opening seasons as he struggled in year two. If they give Nahki too much cash on a four year deal and it doesn't work out then it will cost the club money to get rid. It is only right that they try and strike the right balance for the long-term future of the club and not gamble on a player being worth a fortune in transfer fees later. They can only offer him what a) they think he is worth and b) what they can afford. Fans need to stop thinking that it is so easy to predict the future.

See where you are coming from KnightMcall but I don’t think it’s fair to compare Wells with Hanson. For someone who was having their first season as a professional Hanson did OK. He was given a bit of slack because of this, but IMO it was clear he would need to improve if he was going to make the grade. Wells was sensational pretty much from the off. Having said that, I wouldn’t be surprised if Wells/ his agent were only looking at City as a stepping stone when he signed. But we should still have tried for at least a one year extension a lot sooner.

Victor you just have an issue with Hanson.

Wells would have scored fewer if it weren't for Jimmy last season, this also wasn't Wells' first pro season was it? It was his first season with City.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, nippy forrads are quite a common place item in football, target men who know where the net is and have a good all round ability are not as common, as has been seen whne the last two managers have not actually managed to find one better than we have now.

Prisoner, whether I rate Hanson or not is not the issue.
The point I was making is that Hanson showed promise but could go either way. So there was a fair amount of risk involved in offering a long contract at that time. Wells showed he was the real deal and IMO less of a risk.
Hope this is a bit clearer for you old boy.

I hope Wells fulfills his promise that he showed last year. He needs to have worked on his first touch as, on many occasions last season, posession was lost too easily and the timing of his runs should have been worked on in pre-season. Overall, his scoring ability is there for all to see, as is Hanson's, which can only bode well for this season. In addiion if Hannah is given a fair crack, coupled with Connell we (may) see a more attacking City... Just a couple more additions to ensure good competition for places needed ?

Victor Clayton wrote:
Prisoner, whether I rate Hanson or not is not the issue.
The point I was making is that Hanson showed promise but could go either way. So there was a fair amount of risk involved in offering a long contract at that time. Wells showed he was the real deal and IMO less of a risk.
Hope this is a bit clearer for you old boy.

Wells showed potential, only when more or less forced into action. Up to that point he hasn't been considered 'the real deal' at all and still isn't hence no rush to sign him up for an albatross of a deal.

Your opinion on Wells has been formed on a few months of watching and whilst he did score some very good goals and has done this with less minutes on the pitch than JH his all round contribution is 50% less of that put in by Jimmy.

After a very good first season in pro football JH was rightly offered a decent deal, he struggled in his second year, mainly due to bulking up too much and not being able to carry that weight and size around the pitch as easily, resulting in time out with a bad back and also hamstring injury, both a direct result of bulking up.
He returned after last summers lay off looking slightly more lean and certainly more hungry and aggressive. His link up play has improved whereby he isn't just flicking on but holding or laying off mainly to the left picking out Reid but due to having Wells running in behind him now we actually have the double threat.

Going forward Wells and Hanson COULD be the next big thing for us but defensively and attacking wise JH gets my nod as our most important forward. Slightly contradictory in highlighting a forwards defensive ability but it is a plus for both us and JH personally, last one we had that worked this well was Lee Mills

Victor Clayton wrote:

KnightMcCall wrote:

dannbradfc wrote: we don't know what he's been offered. Someone mentions Colbeck higher up and he was on peanuts thus any move would have been considered by him. Some lambasted Compton for not signing a contract last season, yet again What if the money was poor? Syers left for a variety of factors but i bet finances was one of them. City have hinted on numerous occasions how they offer what they think a player is worth with injuries, age etc all again factors. Thus Nahki may want to sign but perhaps rightly wants a little more money thats on offer? can't blame him for that. I would argue that its worth city negotiating this considering the potential of a return should nahki show and/or improve the form of last season. We can't really lose that way as we have his services plus any potential transfer fee. I enjoyed watching Nakhi more than most of the side last year. IF he is given some games i expect him to continue to progress. My one concern is that he is frozen out like some last year for not signing. Howeever the counter to this is the consequences of him n ot playing games......

The club can't win. The club were criticised to for giving Hanson 3 years after a good opening seasons as he struggled in year two. If they give Nahki too much cash on a four year deal and it doesn't work out then it will cost the club money to get rid. It is only right that they try and strike the right balance for the long-term future of the club and not gamble on a player being worth a fortune in transfer fees later. They can only offer him what a) they think he is worth and b) what they can afford. Fans need to stop thinking that it is so easy to predict the future.

See where you are coming from KnightMcall but I don’t think it’s fair to compare Wells with Hanson. For someone who was having their first season as a professional Hanson did OK. He was given a bit of slack because of this, but IMO it was clear he would need to improve if he was going to make the grade. Wells was sensational pretty much from the off. Having said that, I wouldn’t be surprised if Wells/ his agent were only looking at City as a stepping stone when he signed. But we should still have tried for at least a one year extension a lot sooner.

Not intending to compare Wells & Hansen as players; just the scenario of looking good for a few months or a season does not make it a "no-brainer" for the board to offer a long deal and the board will be criticised to the nth degree if Wells signs and then goes off the boil or gets injured. Equally, they will be criticised if Wells plays out the seasons and leaves for next to nothing at the end of it. It is not as simple as just producing a contract and getting the player to sign; they have the think about the potential pitfalls too and I don't think that they should be too gung-ho about increasing Wells salary just becuase he looked good for five months.

My point is that it is not a straightforward issue in just signing Wells up for the next four years as we can only speculate on how well he will do in the future. As much as I like watching Wells and hope he does really well (ideally for us); some comments on here are far too simplistic.

Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:

Victor Clayton wrote: Prisoner, whether I rate Hanson or not is not the issue. The point I was making is that Hanson showed promise but could go either way. So there was a fair amount of risk involved in offering a long contract at that time. Wells showed he was the real deal and IMO less of a risk. Hope this is a bit clearer for you old boy.

Wells showed potential, only when more or less forced into action. Up to that point he hasn't been considered 'the real deal' at all and still isn't hence no rush to sign him up for an albatross of a deal. Your opinion on Wells has been formed on a few months of watching and whilst he did score some very good goals and has done this with less minutes on the pitch than JH his all round contribution is 50% less of that put in by Jimmy. After a very good first season in pro football JH was rightly offered a decent deal, he struggled in his second year, mainly due to bulking up too much and not being able to carry that weight and size around the pitch as easily, resulting in time out with a bad back and also hamstring injury, both a direct result of bulking up. He returned after last summers lay off looking slightly more lean and certainly more hungry and aggressive. His link up play has improved whereby he isn't just flicking on but holding or laying off mainly to the left picking out Reid but due to having Wells running in behind him now we actually have the double threat. Going forward Wells and Hanson COULD be the next big thing for us but defensively and attacking wise JH gets my nod as our most important forward. Slightly contradictory in highlighting a forwards defensive ability but it is a plus for both us and JH personally, last one we had that worked this well was Lee Mills

hate to disagree but seem to remember I thought Wells was the real deal from the first couple of times I saw him. maybe i even posted as such.

Hanson, you are welcome to your opinion.

KnightMcCall wrote:

Victor Clayton wrote:

KnightMcCall wrote:

dannbradfc wrote: we don't know what he's been offered. Someone mentions Colbeck higher up and he was on peanuts thus any move would have been considered by him. Some lambasted Compton for not signing a contract last season, yet again What if the money was poor? Syers left for a variety of factors but i bet finances was one of them. City have hinted on numerous occasions how they offer what they think a player is worth with injuries, age etc all again factors. Thus Nahki may want to sign but perhaps rightly wants a little more money thats on offer? can't blame him for that. I would argue that its worth city negotiating this considering the potential of a return should nahki show and/or improve the form of last season. We can't really lose that way as we have his services plus any potential transfer fee. I enjoyed watching Nakhi more than most of the side last year. IF he is given some games i expect him to continue to progress. My one concern is that he is frozen out like some last year for not signing. Howeever the counter to this is the consequences of him n ot playing games......

The club can't win. The club were criticised to for giving Hanson 3 years after a good opening seasons as he struggled in year two. If they give Nahki too much cash on a four year deal and it doesn't work out then it will cost the club money to get rid. It is only right that they try and strike the right balance for the long-term future of the club and not gamble on a player being worth a fortune in transfer fees later. They can only offer him what a) they think he is worth and b) what they can afford. Fans need to stop thinking that it is so easy to predict the future.

See where you are coming from KnightMcall but I don’t think it’s fair to compare Wells with Hanson. For someone who was having their first season as a professional Hanson did OK. He was given a bit of slack because of this, but IMO it was clear he would need to improve if he was going to make the grade. Wells was sensational pretty much from the off. Having said that, I wouldn’t be surprised if Wells/ his agent were only looking at City as a stepping stone when he signed. But we should still have tried for at least a one year extension a lot sooner.

Not intending to compare Wells & Hansen as players; just the scenario of looking good for a few months or a season does not make it a "no-brainer" for the board to offer a long deal and the board will be criticised to the nth degree if Wells signs and then goes off the boil or gets injured. Equally, they will be criticised if Wells plays out the seasons and leaves for next to nothing at the end of it. It is not as simple as just producing a contract and getting the player to sign; they have the think about the potential pitfalls too and I don't think that they should be too gung-ho about increasing Wells salary just becuase he looked good for five months. My point is that it is not a straightforward issue in just signing Wells up for the next four years as we can only speculate on how well he will do in the future. As much as I like watching Wells and hope he does really well (ideally for us); some comments on here are far too simplistic.

fair comment.

City should play Hanson, wells and Hannah up front with W and H allowed free reign across the front as they see fit.

From defensive corners and free kicks both should stay completely away from defensive duties and stay up front.

OFF SUBJECT:How to speed up the game. as in hockey, a free kick should be allowed to be taken to yourself to speed play up.

Victor Clayton wrote:

Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:

Victor Clayton wrote: Prisoner, whether I rate Hanson or not is not the issue. The point I was making is that Hanson showed promise but could go either way. So there was a fair amount of risk involved in offering a long contract at that time. Wells showed he was the real deal and IMO less of a risk. Hope this is a bit clearer for you old boy.

Wells showed potential, only when more or less forced into action. Up to that point he hasn't been considered 'the real deal' at all and still isn't hence no rush to sign him up for an albatross of a deal. Your opinion on Wells has been formed on a few months of watching and whilst he did score some very good goals and has done this with less minutes on the pitch than JH his all round contribution is 50% less of that put in by Jimmy. After a very good first season in pro football JH was rightly offered a decent deal, he struggled in his second year, mainly due to bulking up too much and not being able to carry that weight and size around the pitch as easily, resulting in time out with a bad back and also hamstring injury, both a direct result of bulking up. He returned after last summers lay off looking slightly more lean and certainly more hungry and aggressive. His link up play has improved whereby he isn't just flicking on but holding or laying off mainly to the left picking out Reid but due to having Wells running in behind him now we actually have the double threat. Going forward Wells and Hanson COULD be the next big thing for us but defensively and attacking wise JH gets my nod as our most important forward. Slightly contradictory in highlighting a forwards defensive ability but it is a plus for both us and JH personally, last one we had that worked this well was Lee Mills

hate to disagree but seem to remember I thought Wells was the real deal from the first couple of times I saw him. maybe i even posted as such.

Hanson, you are welcome to your opinion.

It isn't just my opinion. One of the reasons there has been strong transfer links through the summer. Again.

The boy Wells is still firing away though isn't he Vic? Another couple to add to his pre-season tally, all looking good for the main event.

What I will add is, Gregg Abbot bombed him out, Jacko didn't want to sign him, neither PP nor Jacko wanted to play him until PP's hand was forced so for you to be such a good talent spotter I'd be offering my services to City.

What I actually think you mean is, like the rest of us you saw a lad who had spring heels and had a bit of skill with the ball at his feet. He still isn't 'the real deal' as you keep saying, he is a rising star but the attitude you have is one we keep warning him off. He hasn't made it, he's had one half decent season admittedly in a poor side, I'll consider him the real deal when he hits the L2 season running, bangs in 15 and we flog him for 3 million at Xmas.

Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:

Victor Clayton wrote:

Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:

Victor Clayton wrote: Prisoner, whether I rate Hanson or not is not the issue. The point I was making is that Hanson showed promise but could go either way. So there was a fair amount of risk involved in offering a long contract at that time. Wells showed he was the real deal and IMO less of a risk. Hope this is a bit clearer for you old boy.

Wells showed potential, only when more or less forced into action. Up to that point he hasn't been considered 'the real deal' at all and still isn't hence no rush to sign him up for an albatross of a deal. Your opinion on Wells has been formed on a few months of watching and whilst he did score some very good goals and has done this with less minutes on the pitch than JH his all round contribution is 50% less of that put in by Jimmy. After a very good first season in pro football JH was rightly offered a decent deal, he struggled in his second year, mainly due to bulking up too much and not being able to carry that weight and size around the pitch as easily, resulting in time out with a bad back and also hamstring injury, both a direct result of bulking up. He returned after last summers lay off looking slightly more lean and certainly more hungry and aggressive. His link up play has improved whereby he isn't just flicking on but holding or laying off mainly to the left picking out Reid but due to having Wells running in behind him now we actually have the double threat. Going forward Wells and Hanson COULD be the next big thing for us but defensively and attacking wise JH gets my nod as our most important forward. Slightly contradictory in highlighting a forwards defensive ability but it is a plus for both us and JH personally, last one we had that worked this well was Lee Mills

hate to disagree but seem to remember I thought Wells was the real deal from the first couple of times I saw him. maybe i even posted as such. Hanson, you are welcome to your opinion.

It isn't just my opinion. One of the reasons there has been strong transfer links through the summer. Again. The boy Wells is still firing away though isn't he Vic? Another couple to add to his pre-season tally, all looking good for the main event. What I will add is, Gregg Abbot bombed him out, Jacko didn't want to sign him, neither PP nor Jacko wanted to play him until PP's hand was forced so for you to be such a good talent spotter I'd be offering my services to City. What I actually think you mean is, like the rest of us you saw a lad who had spring heels and had a bit of skill with the ball at his feet. He still isn't 'the real deal' as you keep saying, he is a rising star but the attitude you have is one we keep warning him off. He hasn't made it, he's had one half decent season admittedly in a poor side, I'll consider him the real deal when he hits the L2 season running, bangs in 15 and we flog him for 3 million at Xmas.

What I think I actually mean Prisoner is that you need to get out more.

Whilst not really understanding why that would be I thank you. Cheers for the advice, I will be at Goals again this evening, after my jaunt to Peel Park last night and a tour of local grounds at the weekend.

What a pointless comment/person/kid

delete as appropriate.

Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:
Whilst not really understanding why that would be I thank you. Cheers for the advice, I will be at Goals again this evening, after my jaunt to Peel Park last night and a tour of local grounds at the weekend. What a pointless comment/person/kid delete as appropriate.

your welcome prisoner. heres another bit. try to stop repeating yourself.

buuurp.

To be serious, you talk of repeats but spent a weekly crusade against JH informing us of your opinion on how poor a player he is. Now that is not only incorrect but very, very boring and repetetive. An indication of the man making the comments perhaps??

Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:
To be serious, you talk of repeats but spent a weekly crusade against JH informing us of your opinion on how poor a player he is. Now that is not only incorrect but very, very boring and repetetive. An indication of the man making the comments perhaps??

slagging the same player off every week would be boring. thats why i dont do it (go on prove me wrong).
I like a good debate as well as the next person but I refuse to sink to exagerations and half truths to try and win an argument - really, what are you like!

You don't really want me to trawl through last seasons posts to find ALL your damnation of Hanson as a player do you? I bet you do.

September last season:
same old story, one dimensional and we lacked passion, movement, leadership. looked unfit and clueless.
although left and rightback were slow to get forward, it wasn't the defences fault. our midfield were bystanders. Flynn and Jones did not get from box to box at all and Reid was very very poor. maybe, he had a bad day but should have been subs straight away. we were obviously beening out played from the off, so wht wait until we are behind before you change things? I am sorry but Hanson is not good enough to be a professional footballer. Devitt has tallent but no pace or aggression.
lets hope Fagen gets fill very quickly.”

Too easy mate, you were like this the whole of the year.

Anyway, 8 mins to kick off. I await your denial.

Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:
September last season: same old story, one dimensional and we lacked passion, movement, leadership. looked unfit and clueless. although left and rightback were slow to get forward, it wasn't the defences fault. our midfield were bystanders. Flynn and Jones did not get from box to box at all and Reid was very very poor. maybe, he had a bad day but should have been subs straight away. we were obviously beening out played from the off, so wht wait until we are behind before you change things? I am sorry but Hanson is not good enough to be a professional footballer. Devitt has tallent but no pace or aggression. lets hope Fagen gets fill very quickly.” Too easy mate, you were like this the whole of the year.

no, I dont expect you to trawl though all the old posts to prove i have been on a "weekly crusade against JH". why not go back 2 weeks? September last year is 11 months ago! come on, you can do better than that. thats pathetic (maybe a reflection of the person who posted it).

Just picked the 1st full month of the season, searched, searched James Hanson, search vict and lo and behold, Victor Clayton having a pop at JH. One search.

For some reason you are unable to acknowledge that as far as target men go James Hanson is one of the best in the lower two divisions. Stubborness or idiocy, I don't know but I can't see you changing your viewpoint but I can see you continuosly naking a mug of yersen.

We'll leave it at this because for me to continue to pick your posts out would give you a feeling of self importance you really aren't welcome to. It is also like shooting fish in a barrel as every time his name is brought up you try bring the lad down so every other post more or less would be a negative about Hanson.

you cant find anything recent can you prisoner? I know, because i have deliberately not passed negative comment on JH for sometime. despite your best efforts this post has never been about JH but you thought i would jump at the first chance to have a go. i have not. you can try with the old bully tactics as much as you like. but you are wrong and have tried to waffle your way out of it. the Irish have a great name for people like you. its gobsh*te.

I'm not looking Vic, I have given my reasons why, youy already have far too many column inches than you deserve.

So, let me get this right, you take any and every opportunity to pull at James Hanson, even flying in the face of people with knowledge of the game, within the game, rarely are your posts meritorious enough for you to do this but you carry on apace telling all and sundry how poor he is, I call you out on this and I am the bully?? Really?


I will leave you with my thoughts, in Gaelic:

Mórán cainte ar bheagán cúise

Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:
I'm not looking Vic, I have given my reasons why, youy already have far too many column inches than you deserve. So, let me get this right, you take any and every opportunity to pull at James Hanson, even flying in the face of people with knowledge of the game, within the game, rarely are your posts meritorious enough for you to do this but you carry on apace telling all and sundry how poor he is, I call you out on this and I am the bully?? Really? I will leave you with my thoughts, in Gaelic: Mórán cainte ar bheagán cúise

prisoner. you are wrong but dont get your knickers in a twist. there will be plenty of time to talk about JH when the season kicks off.

"I am not looking" ha ha. but we both know you are.

await your next post.

I honestly aren't.

Wrong about what? Your ill thought out downer on Hanson?

It is here, my next post that is.

Bad idea to pick on a member of the Fitzgerald clan.

well a good old fashion threat will shut me up every time. goodbye.

Don't be pathetic, I was referring to you calling me a gobsh*te, something the Irish do all the time(NOT) by replying with a Gaelic phrase not a physical threat. Look the phrase up, you will see how fitting it is.