Bog off! Bradford City say good riddance to pitch problems (From Bradford Telegraph and Argus)

A Quality Pitch with Quality players and maybe just maybe, lots of Quality wins. It always helps to have a decent playing surface.

Just need a best team to play on it now

Wish my other team had this pitch.

Woodman Rovers have been allocated the rubbish pitch at Wibsey park in the far corner. It's on a slope to the side as well as sloping end-to-end, plus there's holes everywhere.

Danstarr69 wrote:
Wish my other team had this pitch.

Woodman Rovers have been allocated the rubbish pitch at Wibsey park in the far corner. It's on a slope to the side as well as sloping end-to-end, plus there's holes everywhere.

sounds like pitches i played on in the sixties. Broken glass and dog crap all over and these were the better pitches. Northcliffe, other than the woodside pich (is it still there) was a nightmare with the bottom pitch of three across the slopes often having surplus match balls from the other two. Those were the good old days NOT

ALEXIMO.56. wrote:
A Quality Pitch with Quality players and maybe just maybe, lots of Quality wins. It always helps to have a decent playing surface.

Not bothered about quality wins just wins will do but there again another problem.

Any truth in the rumour of converting the Kop into a multi faith place of worship for the new free school?

Correctness wrote:

ALEXIMO.56. wrote:
A Quality Pitch with Quality players and maybe just maybe, lots of Quality wins. It always helps to have a decent playing surface.

Not bothered about quality wins just wins will do but there again another problem.

Any truth in the rumour of converting the Kop into a multi faith place of worship for the new free school?

It wouldn't be a bad idea if Mr Galloway could get his Voters to buy a season ticket lol.

tyker2 wrote:

Danstarr69 wrote:
Wish my other team had this pitch.

Woodman Rovers have been allocated the rubbish pitch at Wibsey park in the far corner. It's on a slope to the side as well as sloping end-to-end, plus there's holes everywhere.

sounds like pitches i played on in the sixties. Broken glass and dog crap all over and these were the better pitches. Northcliffe, other than the woodside pich (is it still there) was a nightmare with the bottom pitch of three across the slopes often having surplus match balls from the other two. Those were the good old days NOT

Found out after we paid £350-400 for it before we knew which pitch we got, that the old Marshfield Primary school pitch that we train on could've been available. It's still on a slight slope but its even all the way down and there's no huge holes like at Wibsey, plus we could've got it for £200-250 and saved over a hundred pound. We're going to try get that pitch next year.

Right then pitch sorted great news.
Now for the team/squad Mr Parkinson! in my book the squad is thread bare only got absolute bare minimum.I feel that we should have had pretty much all the players we wanted before our trip to Ireland,this is a great oppurtunity for all the players new and old to bond not just as a team but as friends.Anybody coming in after this is in my opinion a long way behind the 8 ball to some extent a stranger.Sorry guys if it sounds like im moaning but i am getting so frustrated at the lack of signings.As for Mr Lawns statement about eye opening signings since the signing of Davies (Coincidentally? just before season ticket offer ended) whilst i think most of the signings will do a very good job Only Davies made my eyes open wide in disbelief.

Not rocket science but been saying for years if you wanna play well and win games you need a good pitch to do it on. Glad they think they have it sorted. Could help lots this season.

1 bingley bantam wrote:
Right then pitch sorted great news.
Now for the team/squad Mr Parkinson! in my book the squad is thread bare only got absolute bare minimum.I feel that we should have had pretty much all the players we wanted before our trip to Ireland,this is a great oppurtunity for all the players new and old to bond not just as a team but as friends.Anybody coming in after this is in my opinion a long way behind the 8 ball to some extent a stranger.Sorry guys if it sounds like im moaning but i am getting so frustrated at the lack of signings.As for Mr Lawns statement about eye opening signings since the signing of Davies (Coincidentally? just before season ticket offer ended) whilst i think most of the signings will do a very good job Only Davies made my eyes open wide in disbelief.

I too can understand your frustrations! Espeically all this wasted time and print talking about a player who wants a big pay cheque but also would like to warm a sub bench!! City have acted like a teenage school girl with a crush on an older boy! Wants more time to think about it.... But I love him! On trial at Bellend road.... But I love him! We're about 5 short in the squad! Stop sanding the pitch!!!!

Another example of the club investing wisely for the future. The quality of the playing surface has a direct impact on the style of football we are able to play and the type of players we are able to attract. The summer has been a good one so far and with a few more additions we should all be optimistic for the season ahead.

I'd have thought 80 year old concrete would be starting to crack and break up anyway, so if we can live without digging it up, the problem should eventually begin to reduce naturally anyway.

Spenvalleyspartan wrote:

1 bingley bantam wrote:
Right then pitch sorted great news.
Now for the team/squad Mr Parkinson! in my book the squad is thread bare only got absolute bare minimum.I feel that we should have had pretty much all the players we wanted before our trip to Ireland,this is a great oppurtunity for all the players new and old to bond not just as a team but as friends.Anybody coming in after this is in my opinion a long way behind the 8 ball to some extent a stranger.Sorry guys if it sounds like im moaning but i am getting so frustrated at the lack of signings.As for Mr Lawns statement about eye opening signings since the signing of Davies (Coincidentally? just before season ticket offer ended) whilst i think most of the signings will do a very good job Only Davies made my eyes open wide in disbelief.

I too can understand your frustrations! Espeically all this wasted time and print talking about a player who wants a big pay cheque but also would like to warm a sub bench!! City have acted like a teenage school girl with a crush on an older boy! Wants more time to think about it.... But I love him! On trial at Bellend road.... But I love him! We're about 5 short in the squad! Stop sanding the pitch!!!!

I must admit its starting to play on my mind too! It's been v quiet for a week or two now on the transfer front, rumours of non league trial it's in for a kick about already, surely they start to come in when the real core of the squad has been assembled, after we have 'actively sought' the players we want for a promotion push! Not just the free agents wanting a pay cheque! We are still at least 5 quality players short of a squad capable of promotion, and nothing seems to be happening!

LaCe78 wrote:

Spenvalleyspartan wrote:

1 bingley bantam wrote: Right then pitch sorted great news. Now for the team/squad Mr Parkinson! in my book the squad is thread bare only got absolute bare minimum.I feel that we should have had pretty much all the players we wanted before our trip to Ireland,this is a great oppurtunity for all the players new and old to bond not just as a team but as friends.Anybody coming in after this is in my opinion a long way behind the 8 ball to some extent a stranger.Sorry guys if it sounds like im moaning but i am getting so frustrated at the lack of signings.As for Mr Lawns statement about eye opening signings since the signing of Davies (Coincidentally? just before season ticket offer ended) whilst i think most of the signings will do a very good job Only Davies made my eyes open wide in disbelief.

I too can understand your frustrations! Espeically all this wasted time and print talking about a player who wants a big pay cheque but also would like to warm a sub bench!! City have acted like a teenage school girl with a crush on an older boy! Wants more time to think about it.... But I love him! On trial at Bellend road.... But I love him! We're about 5 short in the squad! Stop sanding the pitch!!!!

I must admit its starting to play on my mind too! It's been v quiet for a week or two now on the transfer front, rumours of non league trial it's in for a kick about already, surely they start to come in when the real core of the squad has been assembled, after we have 'actively sought' the players we want for a promotion push! Not just the free agents wanting a pay cheque! We are still at least 5 quality players short of a squad capable of promotion, and nothing seems to be happening!

I totally agree about requiring 5 quality players. I bet we end up with loans to make up the numbers prior to the start of the season, this is disruptive and has been unsuccessful in the passed. Ok Davies proved to be a good loan signing and compton showed potential but this option will not provide us the foundations for a successful season.
The talk of promotion needs to be squashed, we have a starting 11 that is good enough for a mid table finish. There are elements of experience and potential but nothing that backs up what was said about exciting signings.
To make sure this season does not turn into a failure lets set a realistic target, improve on 18th position finish and hopefully see some of the potential develop.

Would have thought all the crap weve had on our playing surface over the last several years we would have had the best playing surface in the league ? have to agree with your sentiments 1 bingley bantam Davies great signing the rest are hardly world shattering signings (or what ever his comment was) promised by Mark Lawn, any future close season signings must be to make the numbers up or are there several outstanding players still out there awaiting clubs ? waiting for that phone call from Bradford City.

Says on wikipedia that Jack Compton is without a club (i know i know its about as reliable as a rusty old banger) but im going on the smoke and fires theory.
If this is true i would love to have him back could do a great job on either wing,personally thought he was our best player at the start of last season.
Unfortunately have heard it from a few different people that Mr The Godfather Lawn didnt like him,if this is true we probably dont have a chance.

1 bingley bantam wrote:
Says on wikipedia that Jack Compton is without a club (i know i know its about as reliable as a rusty old banger) but im going on the smoke and fires theory. If this is true i would love to have him back could do a great job on either wing,personally thought he was our best player at the start of last season. Unfortunately have heard it from a few different people that Mr The Godfather Lawn didnt like him,if this is true we probably dont have a chance.

Compton is a player who I'd love back at Valley Parade. Don't know why we sent him back as I gather he wanted to stay! If it's true about Lawn not liking him well that's pathetic! It's not a popularity contest! I don't like Roy Keane but I'd have him as a player anytime!!!!

Still need more bodies (only quality ones, please!) at VP.
At present we only have a full team plus six subs - not enough yet, Mr.P!

1 bingley bantam wrote:
Says on wikipedia that Jack Compton is without a club (i know i know its about as reliable as a rusty old banger) but im going on the smoke and fires theory.
If this is true i would love to have him back could do a great job on either wing,personally thought he was our best player at the start of last season.
Unfortunately have heard it from a few different people that Mr The Godfather Lawn didnt like him,if this is true we probably dont have a chance.

...he won't be coming then!

Still, cheer up we've got Atkinson instead.

Pablo wrote:

1 bingley bantam wrote: Says on wikipedia that Jack Compton is without a club (i know i know its about as reliable as a rusty old banger) but im going on the smoke and fires theory. If this is true i would love to have him back could do a great job on either wing,personally thought he was our best player at the start of last season. Unfortunately have heard it from a few different people that Mr The Godfather Lawn didnt like him,if this is true we probably dont have a chance.

...he won't be coming then! Still, cheer up we've got Atkinson instead.

Just when you think things cant get any worse!

1 bingley bantam wrote:

Pablo wrote:

1 bingley bantam wrote: Says on wikipedia that Jack Compton is without a club (i know i know its about as reliable as a rusty old banger) but im going on the smoke and fires theory. If this is true i would love to have him back could do a great job on either wing,personally thought he was our best player at the start of last season. Unfortunately have heard it from a few different people that Mr The Godfather Lawn didnt like him,if this is true we probably dont have a chance.

...he won't be coming then! Still, cheer up we've got Atkinson instead.

Just when you think things cant get any worse!

Yes Compton was far superior to Atkinson! But if Lord Lawn doesn't like him it ain't happening!

Miserable buggers the lot of ya! Good signings take time, you have no idea what irons are in the fire and the silence is a good sign in my opinion. Yes we need 3-5 more, but the fact they aren't on the pre season tour doesn't mean they won't be successful. I expect Hamshaw to sign for right midfield (who is on trial now) and a decent striker. Beyond that we need some full back cover for both sides and some competition for reidy on the left.

I now understand why the full backs wouldn't cross the half-way line last season, they were worried that the quick sand would suck them under.

Spenvalleyspartan wrote:

1 bingley bantam wrote:

Pablo wrote:

1 bingley bantam wrote: Says on wikipedia that Jack Compton is without a club (i know i know its about as reliable as a rusty old banger) but im going on the smoke and fires theory. If this is true i would love to have him back could do a great job on either wing,personally thought he was our best player at the start of last season. Unfortunately have heard it from a few different people that Mr The Godfather Lawn didnt like him,if this is true we probably dont have a chance.

...he won't be coming then! Still, cheer up we've got Atkinson instead.

Just when you think things cant get any worse!

Yes Compton was far superior to Atkinson! But if Lord Lawn doesn't like him it ain't happening!

When we had the purple patch ( was it January ? ), it was when Compton was playing in place of the injured Reid. Now, whilstI don't rate Compton better than Reid, we seemed to play better as a team when Jack was in the side. He was more than capable of playing on the right, thus providing cover for both flanks.

How in God's name we've ended up with Atkinson is beyond me, when you compare his contribution, during his loan spell, to that of Compton's.

We must draw our own conclusions........

New striker signing in the morning thought to be from Barnsley

Glad the pitch is supposed to be sorted out and then we can have some good runs down the wing for touch downs in the corner.

james28uk wrote:
New striker signing in the morning thought to be from Barnsley

Another rumour is that Chris Dagnall is joining on a free. If it is true that a Barnsley striker is signing in the morning, maybe the two rumours are linked?
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However, the rumour that suggests Dagnall re-signing also claims that Hanson will go the other way. Cor, we love rumours don't we....! LOL

Predicting a Quality Season for the Bantams.

come on you Bantams, CTID!

A boggy pitch suits a home Divison 4 side to a tee.

We don't have proper wingers to raid the flanks . .

i miss stallard & murray wrote:

LaCe78 wrote:

Spenvalleyspartan wrote:

1 bingley bantam wrote: Right then pitch sorted great news. Now for the team/squad Mr Parkinson! in my book the squad is thread bare only got absolute bare minimum.I feel that we should have had pretty much all the players we wanted before our trip to Ireland,this is a great oppurtunity for all the players new and old to bond not just as a team but as friends.Anybody coming in after this is in my opinion a long way behind the 8 ball to some extent a stranger.Sorry guys if it sounds like im moaning but i am getting so frustrated at the lack of signings.As for Mr Lawns statement about eye opening signings since the signing of Davies (Coincidentally? just before season ticket offer ended) whilst i think most of the signings will do a very good job Only Davies made my eyes open wide in disbelief.

I too can understand your frustrations! Espeically all this wasted time and print talking about a player who wants a big pay cheque but also would like to warm a sub bench!! City have acted like a teenage school girl with a crush on an older boy! Wants more time to think about it.... But I love him! On trial at Bellend road.... But I love him! We're about 5 short in the squad! Stop sanding the pitch!!!!

I must admit its starting to play on my mind too! It's been v quiet for a week or two now on the transfer front, rumours of non league trial it's in for a kick about already, surely they start to come in when the real core of the squad has been assembled, after we have 'actively sought' the players we want for a promotion push! Not just the free agents wanting a pay cheque! We are still at least 5 quality players short of a squad capable of promotion, and nothing seems to be happening!

I totally agree about requiring 5 quality players. I bet we end up with loans to make up the numbers prior to the start of the season, this is disruptive and has been unsuccessful in the passed. Ok Davies proved to be a good loan signing and compton showed potential but this option will not provide us the foundations for a successful season.
The talk of promotion needs to be squashed, we have a starting 11 that is good enough for a mid table finish. There are elements of experience and potential but nothing that backs up what was said about exciting signings.
To make sure this season does not turn into a failure lets set a realistic target, improve on 18th position finish and hopefully see some of the potential develop.

We will have loans, I believe this was always the plan. Get some quality of our own and then fill with surplus young uns from higher divisions. This is why I am saying we don't need to be panicking, you can't affect it by doing so, so let them get on with it. I reckon one more in by Ireland or just after and the rest will be late arrivals from Premier league team's reserve and youth sides.

Or Championship clubs surplus ressies/youth.

Waynus1971 wrote:

james28uk wrote:
New striker signing in the morning thought to be from Barnsley

Another rumour is that Chris Dagnall is joining on a free. If it is true that a Barnsley striker is signing in the morning, maybe the two rumours are linked?
.
However, the rumour that suggests Dagnall re-signing also claims that Hanson will go the other way. Cor, we love rumours don't we....! LOL

I'll be honest! Whilst Hanson comes in for a lot of criticism I wouldn't swap him for Dagnell judging by what I saw of him last season!

Hamshaw learned his trade and trickery from Chris Waddle and has traditionally been a right-winger or midfielder, but now 30, he is finding that he can thankfully do the first 5 yards in his head. His set-piece delivery is exceptional and on his day he is worth the gate money on his own.


Sounds like something we could do with. Don't panic Mr Mainwairing

Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:

i miss stallard & murray wrote:

LaCe78 wrote:

Spenvalleyspartan wrote:

1 bingley bantam wrote: Right then pitch sorted great news. Now for the team/squad Mr Parkinson! in my book the squad is thread bare only got absolute bare minimum.I feel that we should have had pretty much all the players we wanted before our trip to Ireland,this is a great oppurtunity for all the players new and old to bond not just as a team but as friends.Anybody coming in after this is in my opinion a long way behind the 8 ball to some extent a stranger.Sorry guys if it sounds like im moaning but i am getting so frustrated at the lack of signings.As for Mr Lawns statement about eye opening signings since the signing of Davies (Coincidentally? just before season ticket offer ended) whilst i think most of the signings will do a very good job Only Davies made my eyes open wide in disbelief.

I too can understand your frustrations! Espeically all this wasted time and print talking about a player who wants a big pay cheque but also would like to warm a sub bench!! City have acted like a teenage school girl with a crush on an older boy! Wants more time to think about it.... But I love him! On trial at Bellend road.... But I love him! We're about 5 short in the squad! Stop sanding the pitch!!!!

I must admit its starting to play on my mind too! It's been v quiet for a week or two now on the transfer front, rumours of non league trial it's in for a kick about already, surely they start to come in when the real core of the squad has been assembled, after we have 'actively sought' the players we want for a promotion push! Not just the free agents wanting a pay cheque! We are still at least 5 quality players short of a squad capable of promotion, and nothing seems to be happening!

I totally agree about requiring 5 quality players. I bet we end up with loans to make up the numbers prior to the start of the season, this is disruptive and has been unsuccessful in the passed. Ok Davies proved to be a good loan signing and compton showed potential but this option will not provide us the foundations for a successful season.
The talk of promotion needs to be squashed, we have a starting 11 that is good enough for a mid table finish. There are elements of experience and potential but nothing that backs up what was said about exciting signings.
To make sure this season does not turn into a failure lets set a realistic target, improve on 18th position finish and hopefully see some of the potential develop.

We will have loans, I believe this was always the plan. Get some quality of our own and then fill with surplus young uns from higher divisions. This is why I am saying we don't need to be panicking, you can't affect it by doing so, so let them get on with it. I reckon one more in by Ireland or just after and the rest will be late arrivals from Premier league team's reserve and youth sides.

Do we not learn from our mistakes of the past? The loan thing does not work! It's not the stability we crave! We need a close knit side not the players going through a sliding door and back out again!

Compton. I would never have him back.

Offered a contract. Turned it down.

Just like Grey.

No difference.

Bye bye Jack. You were very average anyway.

Spenvalleyspartan wrote:

Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:

i miss stallard & murray wrote:

LaCe78 wrote:

Spenvalleyspartan wrote:

1 bingley bantam wrote: Right then pitch sorted great news. Now for the team/squad Mr Parkinson! in my book the squad is thread bare only got absolute bare minimum.I feel that we should have had pretty much all the players we wanted before our trip to Ireland,this is a great oppurtunity for all the players new and old to bond not just as a team but as friends.Anybody coming in after this is in my opinion a long way behind the 8 ball to some extent a stranger.Sorry guys if it sounds like im moaning but i am getting so frustrated at the lack of signings.As for Mr Lawns statement about eye opening signings since the signing of Davies (Coincidentally? just before season ticket offer ended) whilst i think most of the signings will do a very good job Only Davies made my eyes open wide in disbelief.

I too can understand your frustrations! Espeically all this wasted time and print talking about a player who wants a big pay cheque but also would like to warm a sub bench!! City have acted like a teenage school girl with a crush on an older boy! Wants more time to think about it.... But I love him! On trial at Bellend road.... But I love him! We're about 5 short in the squad! Stop sanding the pitch!!!!

I must admit its starting to play on my mind too! It's been v quiet for a week or two now on the transfer front, rumours of non league trial it's in for a kick about already, surely they start to come in when the real core of the squad has been assembled, after we have 'actively sought' the players we want for a promotion push! Not just the free agents wanting a pay cheque! We are still at least 5 quality players short of a squad capable of promotion, and nothing seems to be happening!

I totally agree about requiring 5 quality players. I bet we end up with loans to make up the numbers prior to the start of the season, this is disruptive and has been unsuccessful in the passed. Ok Davies proved to be a good loan signing and compton showed potential but this option will not provide us the foundations for a successful season.
The talk of promotion needs to be squashed, we have a starting 11 that is good enough for a mid table finish. There are elements of experience and potential but nothing that backs up what was said about exciting signings.
To make sure this season does not turn into a failure lets set a realistic target, improve on 18th position finish and hopefully see some of the potential develop.

We will have loans, I believe this was always the plan. Get some quality of our own and then fill with surplus young uns from higher divisions. This is why I am saying we don't need to be panicking, you can't affect it by doing so, so let them get on with it. I reckon one more in by Ireland or just after and the rest will be late arrivals from Premier league team's reserve and youth sides.

Do we not learn from our mistakes of the past? The loan thing does not work! It's not the stability we crave! We need a close knit side not the players going through a sliding door and back out again!

Totally aggree. Loans are a waste of time and cause disruption. Even a season long loan works against u as the team mite gel but then they are gone, u can not build a team if they are temporary. No future. I wud like a solid squad and if we have the mis fortune of players missing give our youngsters a chance.

On another site there were rumours of us signing Alan Connell from Swindon

i miss stallard & murray wrote:

Spenvalleyspartan wrote:

Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:

i miss stallard & murray wrote:

LaCe78 wrote:

Spenvalleyspartan wrote:

1 bingley bantam wrote: Right then pitch sorted great news. Now for the team/squad Mr Parkinson! in my book the squad is thread bare only got absolute bare minimum.I feel that we should have had pretty much all the players we wanted before our trip to Ireland,this is a great oppurtunity for all the players new and old to bond not just as a team but as friends.Anybody coming in after this is in my opinion a long way behind the 8 ball to some extent a stranger.Sorry guys if it sounds like im moaning but i am getting so frustrated at the lack of signings.As for Mr Lawns statement about eye opening signings since the signing of Davies (Coincidentally? just before season ticket offer ended) whilst i think most of the signings will do a very good job Only Davies made my eyes open wide in disbelief.

I too can understand your frustrations! Espeically all this wasted time and print talking about a player who wants a big pay cheque but also would like to warm a sub bench!! City have acted like a teenage school girl with a crush on an older boy! Wants more time to think about it.... But I love him! On trial at Bellend road.... But I love him! We're about 5 short in the squad! Stop sanding the pitch!!!!

I must admit its starting to play on my mind too! It's been v quiet for a week or two now on the transfer front, rumours of non league trial it's in for a kick about already, surely they start to come in when the real core of the squad has been assembled, after we have 'actively sought' the players we want for a promotion push! Not just the free agents wanting a pay cheque! We are still at least 5 quality players short of a squad capable of promotion, and nothing seems to be happening!

I totally agree about requiring 5 quality players. I bet we end up with loans to make up the numbers prior to the start of the season, this is disruptive and has been unsuccessful in the passed. Ok Davies proved to be a good loan signing and compton showed potential but this option will not provide us the foundations for a successful season.
The talk of promotion needs to be squashed, we have a starting 11 that is good enough for a mid table finish. There are elements of experience and potential but nothing that backs up what was said about exciting signings.
To make sure this season does not turn into a failure lets set a realistic target, improve on 18th position finish and hopefully see some of the potential develop.

We will have loans, I believe this was always the plan. Get some quality of our own and then fill with surplus young uns from higher divisions. This is why I am saying we don't need to be panicking, you can't affect it by doing so, so let them get on with it. I reckon one more in by Ireland or just after and the rest will be late arrivals from Premier league team's reserve and youth sides.

Do we not learn from our mistakes of the past? The loan thing does not work! It's not the stability we crave! We need a close knit side not the players going through a sliding door and back out again!

Totally aggree. Loans are a waste of time and cause disruption. Even a season long loan works against u as the team mite gel but then they are gone, u can not build a team if they are temporary. No future. I wud like a solid squad and if we have the mis fortune of players missing give our youngsters a chance.

It isn't about learning from past mistakes, we do not have an option but to use the laon system, the mistake as was blatantly evident was the short term loans, the upside was the long term loan of Davies, which incidentally didn't end up in here today gone tomorrow but with him signing. The loan market can be and is useful, Bradford City are not the only club to use it and nor will we be. How ace would it be for Messrs Lawn and Rhodes if they could use FIFA12 or ChampMan to build their squads from imaginary money.

Get in the real world fellas, the loan system is used by ALL clubs in England and worldwide with few exceptions, change the record now, moan about something different please.

Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:

i miss stallard & murray wrote:

Spenvalleyspartan wrote:

Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:

i miss stallard & murray wrote:

LaCe78 wrote:

Spenvalleyspartan wrote:

1 bingley bantam wrote: Right then pitch sorted great news. Now for the team/squad Mr Parkinson! in my book the squad is thread bare only got absolute bare minimum.I feel that we should have had pretty much all the players we wanted before our trip to Ireland,this is a great oppurtunity for all the players new and old to bond not just as a team but as friends.Anybody coming in after this is in my opinion a long way behind the 8 ball to some extent a stranger.Sorry guys if it sounds like im moaning but i am getting so frustrated at the lack of signings.As for Mr Lawns statement about eye opening signings since the signing of Davies (Coincidentally? just before season ticket offer ended) whilst i think most of the signings will do a very good job Only Davies made my eyes open wide in disbelief.

I too can understand your frustrations! Espeically all this wasted time and print talking about a player who wants a big pay cheque but also would like to warm a sub bench!! City have acted like a teenage school girl with a crush on an older boy! Wants more time to think about it.... But I love him! On trial at Bellend road.... But I love him! We're about 5 short in the squad! Stop sanding the pitch!!!!

I must admit its starting to play on my mind too! It's been v quiet for a week or two now on the transfer front, rumours of non league trial it's in for a kick about already, surely they start to come in when the real core of the squad has been assembled, after we have 'actively sought' the players we want for a promotion push! Not just the free agents wanting a pay cheque! We are still at least 5 quality players short of a squad capable of promotion, and nothing seems to be happening!

I totally agree about requiring 5 quality players. I bet we end up with loans to make up the numbers prior to the start of the season, this is disruptive and has been unsuccessful in the passed. Ok Davies proved to be a good loan signing and compton showed potential but this option will not provide us the foundations for a successful season. The talk of promotion needs to be squashed, we have a starting 11 that is good enough for a mid table finish. There are elements of experience and potential but nothing that backs up what was said about exciting signings. To make sure this season does not turn into a failure lets set a realistic target, improve on 18th position finish and hopefully see some of the potential develop.

We will have loans, I believe this was always the plan. Get some quality of our own and then fill with surplus young uns from higher divisions. This is why I am saying we don't need to be panicking, you can't affect it by doing so, so let them get on with it. I reckon one more in by Ireland or just after and the rest will be late arrivals from Premier league team's reserve and youth sides.

Do we not learn from our mistakes of the past? The loan thing does not work! It's not the stability we crave! We need a close knit side not the players going through a sliding door and back out again!

Totally aggree. Loans are a waste of time and cause disruption. Even a season long loan works against u as the team mite gel but then they are gone, u can not build a team if they are temporary. No future. I wud like a solid squad and if we have the mis fortune of players missing give our youngsters a chance.

It isn't about learning from past mistakes, we do not have an option but to use the laon system, the mistake as was blatantly evident was the short term loans, the upside was the long term loan of Davies, which incidentally didn't end up in here today gone tomorrow but with him signing. The loan market can be and is useful, Bradford City are not the only club to use it and nor will we be. How ace would it be for Messrs Lawn and Rhodes if they could use FIFA12 or ChampMan to build their squads from imaginary money. Get in the real world fellas, the loan system is used by ALL clubs in England and worldwide with few exceptions, change the record now, moan about something different please.

I think I may not have explained the loans that I am so against. The loans that have failed us in recent times. If we sign another 5 players that would take us to 22 players in our squad. Why would we need to get any loan players?
I feel it is bad management if we are relying on loan signings when we have been preparing to develop a squad from October last year, for this term.
Last year and in many previous seasons we have made loan signings for the sake of signing players ie that lad up front from stoke under taylor, reed last season.
In the 90's we used to sign players on loan with a view to a perm move, i agree with this option, if we have done our homework upfront and are 100% interested in making it a perm deal. I would also agree to a short term loan if our backs were up against the wall and the 2 players for that position in the squad were either suspended or injured.
I do not agree with developing a squad that includes loans for the sake of it. This type of loan has been unsuccessful and does not benefit the club, these are becoming more frequent i dont like it.

We cannot and will not be able to afford to pay 5 more fully signed up pros. Basic economics.

I do agree the use of the loan system needs to be a wise one but when we took Davies last year Stoke covered the majority of that wage, many higher league clubs do this as it gets their lads game time in a competetive league and not reserve team football. This type of loan, like Adeyemi is very useful.

The one month Adam Reed type loans did not benefit any of us and in fact kept Richie Jones out of the side or out of position just as he was starting to find his feet in the middle, this type of loan is more destructive than constructive.

We will never, ever build and develop our own squad from scratch again, very few lower league clubs will apart from maybe Crewe. I do not see 6-10 month loans being a negative, it isn't really much different from signing a player on a 1 year contract, a loan player comes to his 'secondary' club with the intention of playing, playing well and earning either a starting place at his parent club or intersting his 'loanee' club enough to sign him. Or someone else to sign him, no-one comes on loan with the intention of picking up a wage, so maybe loanees may try just a bit harder than those on 3 year deals who can sit back and pick up a wage. Maybe!

Onebrianmitchell wrote:
Compton. I would never have him back.

Offered a contract. Turned it down.

Just like Grey.

No difference.

Bye bye Jack. You were very average anyway.

Brian, I recall Compton came on a six month loan so we could have a look at him, prior to signing him permanently.

What Parky then did was to offer another short term deal and Jack's feeling was that was that wasn't what was originally agreed. The club had long enough to have had a look at him and, as they wanted to keep him, the original arrangement was it would be a permanent deal.

If Jack was "average", how would you describe Atkinson?

I respect your view of Compton but like many posters on here I thought he was OK and Taylor, Haworth and Atkinson were brought in to replace him and, in my opinion, all performed to a far inferior standard.

I can't criticise Gray. Footballers are rarely fans of the clubs they play for. It's merely a job and if Leeds can offer three or four times what City were offering, it's a no brainer.

Pablo wrote:

Onebrianmitchell wrote: Compton. I would never have him back. Offered a contract. Turned it down. Just like Grey. No difference. Bye bye Jack. You were very average anyway.

Brian, I recall Compton came on a six month loan so we could have a look at him, prior to signing him permanently. What Parky then did was to offer another short term deal and Jack's feeling was that was that wasn't what was originally agreed. The club had long enough to have had a look at him and, as they wanted to keep him, the original arrangement was it would be a permanent deal. If Jack was "average", how would you describe Atkinson? I respect your view of Compton but like many posters on here I thought he was OK and Taylor, Haworth and Atkinson were brought in to replace him and, in my opinion, all performed to a far inferior standard. I can't criticise Gray. Footballers are rarely fans of the clubs they play for. It's merely a job and if Leeds can offer three or four times what City were offering, it's a no brainer.

Good post Pablo on all three counts,Compton,his so called replacements,and the Andy Gray situation, although for the life in me I can't understand why a club (Leeds)that are supposingly being bought out by megga rich Arabs are going for the likes of Andy Gray to get them out of the championship ????

Pablo wrote:

Onebrianmitchell wrote:
Compton. I would never have him back.

Offered a contract. Turned it down.

Just like Grey.

No difference.

Bye bye Jack. You were very average anyway.

Brian, I recall Compton came on a six month loan so we could have a look at him, prior to signing him permanently.

What Parky then did was to offer another short term deal and Jack's feeling was that was that wasn't what was originally agreed. The club had long enough to have had a look at him and, as they wanted to keep him, the original arrangement was it would be a permanent deal.

If Jack was "average", how would you describe Atkinson?

I respect your view of Compton but like many posters on here I thought he was OK and Taylor, Haworth and Atkinson were brought in to replace him and, in my opinion, all performed to a far inferior standard.

I can't criticise Gray. Footballers are rarely fans of the clubs they play for. It's merely a job and if Leeds can offer three or four times what City were offering, it's a no brainer.

Did Compton get offered a contract? YES. Did he turn it down? YES. Did Compton get offered a longer term Contract elsewhere? NO. Did Compton accept a lesser length of contract he turned down at City? YES. His choice. You asked in a previous post how we ended up with Atkinson, well unlike Compton, Atkinson accepted the contract offered to him. It's basic stuff really so I can't see why you are struggling to understand the why's and wherefores.

Meanwhile, Falkirk are wanting to offload Compton -his loan at St Johnstone didn't impress them enough to sign him on a permanent deal- and bring in a replacement by the name of Andy Haworth from Bury. Keep up Pablo, if you are going to persistently moan at least put a decent argument together. I too liked Compton but it appears he -and possibly his adviser/agent- believes he is better than his managers at Falkirk, City and St Johnstone think he is? Anyway, just thought I would bring you up to date.

It says on the Football Transfer Rumours website that we are to take James Spencer from Huddersfield on a season long loan. He is young, and spent last season at Cheltenham where he scored 11 goals despite his in experience. I think he would be a god signing for us, to play alongside or just behind James Hanson.

lonniejockstrap wrote:

Pablo wrote:

Onebrianmitchell wrote:
Compton. I would never have him back.

Offered a contract. Turned it down.

Just like Grey.

No difference.

Bye bye Jack. You were very average anyway.

Brian, I recall Compton came on a six month loan so we could have a look at him, prior to signing him permanently.

What Parky then did was to offer another short term deal and Jack's feeling was that was that wasn't what was originally agreed. The club had long enough to have had a look at him and, as they wanted to keep him, the original arrangement was it would be a permanent deal.

If Jack was "average", how would you describe Atkinson?

I respect your view of Compton but like many posters on here I thought he was OK and Taylor, Haworth and Atkinson were brought in to replace him and, in my opinion, all performed to a far inferior standard.

I can't criticise Gray. Footballers are rarely fans of the clubs they play for. It's merely a job and if Leeds can offer three or four times what City were offering, it's a no brainer.

Did Compton get offered a contract? YES. Did he turn it down? YES. Did Compton get offered a longer term Contract elsewhere? NO. Did Compton accept a lesser length of contract he turned down at City? YES. His choice. You asked in a previous post how we ended up with Atkinson, well unlike Compton, Atkinson accepted the contract offered to him. It's basic stuff really so I can't see why you are struggling to understand the why's and wherefores.

Meanwhile, Falkirk are wanting to offload Compton -his loan at St Johnstone didn't impress them enough to sign him on a permanent deal- and bring in a replacement by the name of Andy Haworth from Bury. Keep up Pablo, if you are going to persistently moan at least put a decent argument together. I too liked Compton but it appears he -and possibly his adviser/agent- believes he is better than his managers at Falkirk, City and St Johnstone think he is? Anyway, just thought I would bring you up to date.

Falkirk HAVE offloaded Jack with a year left on his contract.

lonniejockstrap wrote:

Pablo wrote:

Onebrianmitchell wrote:
Compton. I would never have him back.

Offered a contract. Turned it down.

Just like Grey.

No difference.

Bye bye Jack. You were very average anyway.

Brian, I recall Compton came on a six month loan so we could have a look at him, prior to signing him permanently.

What Parky then did was to offer another short term deal and Jack's feeling was that was that wasn't what was originally agreed. The club had long enough to have had a look at him and, as they wanted to keep him, the original arrangement was it would be a permanent deal.

If Jack was "average", how would you describe Atkinson?

I respect your view of Compton but like many posters on here I thought he was OK and Taylor, Haworth and Atkinson were brought in to replace him and, in my opinion, all performed to a far inferior standard.

I can't criticise Gray. Footballers are rarely fans of the clubs they play for. It's merely a job and if Leeds can offer three or four times what City were offering, it's a no brainer.

Did Compton get offered a contract? YES. Did he turn it down? YES. Did Compton get offered a longer term Contract elsewhere? NO. Did Compton accept a lesser length of contract he turned down at City? YES. His choice. You asked in a previous post how we ended up with Atkinson, well unlike Compton, Atkinson accepted the contract offered to him. It's basic stuff really so I can't see why you are struggling to understand the why's and wherefores.

Meanwhile, Falkirk are wanting to offload Compton -his loan at St Johnstone didn't impress them enough to sign him on a permanent deal- and bring in a replacement by the name of Andy Haworth from Bury. Keep up Pablo, if you are going to persistently moan at least put a decent argument together. I too liked Compton but it appears he -and possibly his adviser/agent- believes he is better than his managers at Falkirk, City and St Johnstone think he is? Anyway, just thought I would bring you up to date.

I can't quite see your point, lonnie. Compton turned down the contract, because it wasn't the one originally agreed.

Well, how did we end up with Atkiinson, based on his performances ( or lack of them!) whilst on loan? The fact he was indeed offered a contract is a mystery to most of us on this forum (if not you).

The question of Compton's form since he left is irrelevant. I can only comment on his form that I saw. May I remind you about Bobby Campbell. Campbell scored goals for fun in his first spell at City and was transferred to Derby County where he was such a failure that he became a laughing stock. City re-signed him and he was an instant hit, carrying on where he left off. It's called "horses for courses". You see lonnie, his form at Derby was irrelevant - a bit like you really.

lonniejockstrap wrote:

lonniejockstrap wrote:

Pablo wrote:

Onebrianmitchell wrote: Compton. I would never have him back. Offered a contract. Turned it down. Just like Grey. No difference. Bye bye Jack. You were very average anyway.

Brian, I recall Compton came on a six month loan so we could have a look at him, prior to signing him permanently. What Parky then did was to offer another short term deal and Jack's feeling was that was that wasn't what was originally agreed. The club had long enough to have had a look at him and, as they wanted to keep him, the original arrangement was it would be a permanent deal. If Jack was "average", how would you describe Atkinson? I respect your view of Compton but like many posters on here I thought he was OK and Taylor, Haworth and Atkinson were brought in to replace him and, in my opinion, all performed to a far inferior standard. I can't criticise Gray. Footballers are rarely fans of the clubs they play for. It's merely a job and if Leeds can offer three or four times what City were offering, it's a no brainer.

Did Compton get offered a contract? YES. Did he turn it down? YES. Did Compton get offered a longer term Contract elsewhere? NO. Did Compton accept a lesser length of contract he turned down at City? YES. His choice. You asked in a previous post how we ended up with Atkinson, well unlike Compton, Atkinson accepted the contract offered to him. It's basic stuff really so I can't see why you are struggling to understand the why's and wherefores. Meanwhile, Falkirk are wanting to offload Compton -his loan at St Johnstone didn't impress them enough to sign him on a permanent deal- and bring in a replacement by the name of Andy Haworth from Bury. Keep up Pablo, if you are going to persistently moan at least put a decent argument together. I too liked Compton but it appears he -and possibly his adviser/agent- believes he is better than his managers at Falkirk, City and St Johnstone think he is? Anyway, just thought I would bring you up to date.

Falkirk HAVE offloaded Jack with a year left on his contract.

Well 3 clubs don"t lie and it lloks as if the Ayatollah had every justification if he did not like him.

talent is no good without attitude

Pablo wrote:

lonniejockstrap wrote:

Pablo wrote:

Onebrianmitchell wrote:
Compton. I would never have him back.

Offered a contract. Turned it down.

Just like Grey.

No difference.

Bye bye Jack. You were very average anyway.

Brian, I recall Compton came on a six month loan so we could have a look at him, prior to signing him permanently.

What Parky then did was to offer another short term deal and Jack's feeling was that was that wasn't what was originally agreed. The club had long enough to have had a look at him and, as they wanted to keep him, the original arrangement was it would be a permanent deal.

If Jack was "average", how would you describe Atkinson?

I respect your view of Compton but like many posters on here I thought he was OK and Taylor, Haworth and Atkinson were brought in to replace him and, in my opinion, all performed to a far inferior standard.

I can't criticise Gray. Footballers are rarely fans of the clubs they play for. It's merely a job and if Leeds can offer three or four times what City were offering, it's a no brainer.

Did Compton get offered a contract? YES. Did he turn it down? YES. Did Compton get offered a longer term Contract elsewhere? NO. Did Compton accept a lesser length of contract he turned down at City? YES. His choice. You asked in a previous post how we ended up with Atkinson, well unlike Compton, Atkinson accepted the contract offered to him. It's basic stuff really so I can't see why you are struggling to understand the why's and wherefores.

Meanwhile, Falkirk are wanting to offload Compton -his loan at St Johnstone didn't impress them enough to sign him on a permanent deal- and bring in a replacement by the name of Andy Haworth from Bury. Keep up Pablo, if you are going to persistently moan at least put a decent argument together. I too liked Compton but it appears he -and possibly his adviser/agent- believes he is better than his managers at Falkirk, City and St Johnstone think he is? Anyway, just thought I would bring you up to date.

I can't quite see your point, lonnie. Compton turned down the contract, because it wasn't the one originally agreed.

Well, how did we end up with Atkiinson, based on his performances ( or lack of them!) whilst on loan? The fact he was indeed offered a contract is a mystery to most of us on this forum (if not you).

The question of Compton's form since he left is irrelevant. I can only comment on his form that I saw. May I remind you about Bobby Campbell. Campbell scored goals for fun in his first spell at City and was transferred to Derby County where he was such a failure that he became a laughing stock. City re-signed him and he was an instant hit, carrying on where he left off. It's called "horses for courses". You see lonnie, his form at Derby was irrelevant - a bit like you really.

OOOOO, MEEHOW! Well who cares if I am irrelevant?, you apparently.

My point is you constantly get your 'facts' wrong. Can you give us the details of the contract Compton 'originally agreed'? How was he possibly offered an agreed contract that would would kick in at the end of his six month loan spell regardless of whether he satisfied the manager or not? ( By the way, you do realise Jackson ALSO refused to sign Compton on a permanent basis don't you? That's why he was sent back to Falkirk after pre-season trials and then later accepted a 5 month 'trial'/loan back at VP)

If he had agreed a contract the contract would have stood at the end of his six month loan or he would have done the Club for breach of contract wouldn't he, EXCEPT he didn't have an 'AGREED CONTRACT' did he Pablo? Are you confusing a possible verbal agreement between Jackson and Compton with what you totally misunderstand to be an agreed contract? IF -and it is an IF- Jacko had made an agreement with Compton and it didn't turn out to be the case for the player then it wouldn't be the first time this has been CLAIMED by a player at City -remember Daley claiming Jacko had not kept to his 'promise'? Anyway you are going to tell us what this contract was that Jack had and we will have a better idea of how Jacko managed his players wont we, we will won't we Pablo?

'Horses for courses'? hmmm, Jack is going to be running out of courses if he keeps failing to impress Managers enough to give him longer than a few months contract and then turning them down when they offer to extend that contract for a few more months don't yer think?.

Another rambling, meaningless post, lonnie.

You are the biggest bore on this forum.
Raise something relevant and I'll reply.

You are obviously tired, or otherwise impaired to write such meaningless drivel.

Pablo wrote:
Another rambling, meaningless post, lonnie.

You are the biggest bore on this forum.
Raise something relevant and I'll reply.

You are obviously tired, or otherwise impaired to write such meaningless drivel.

So you were wrong about an 'agreed contract'. That's what I thought. Carry on moaning Pablo.