Bradford Council leader Green criticised over Bulls crisis (From Bradford Telegraph and Argus)

I hope the Bulls survive but it can't be at the expence of the site at Odsal being redeveloped for private profit. It's a prime site and if anybody is going to make money from it then it should be the land owners, the council tax payers of Bradford.

As a city fan j do agree that it seems like council double standards when they want to financially help one and not the other. But i also understand taxpayers money should not be put into failing businesses when its of their own doing, and when 90% of the bradford population have no interest in sport. I also said the other day the council have done little if anything to help out the other struggling traders and businesses, often when their problems have been caused by council mismanagement in the first place.

Full retraction of the claim of abuse from Council Leader David Green via his personal twitter feed (his typo's not mine):

@dave4wibsey: To all bcfc twieets. Apols for T&A comments. Taken out of context - I made a what i meant as a lighthearted comment in a conversation .....

@dave4wibsey: .. with a reporter I really should have known better. I went on to say that some people unhappy with the idea & she should check my timeline

As a supporter of both City and Bulls I think the actions of a few small minded City fans are pathetic.
I suspect they originate from the Bingley/Keighley side of the City where they still believe Keighley should be in Super League.
Grow up and put your energy into trying to get City promoted.

As a supporter of both City and Bulls I think the actions of a few small minded City fans are pathetic.
I suspect they originate from the Bingley/Keighley side of the City where they still believe Keighley should be in Super League.
Grow up and put your energy into trying to get City promoted.

BCFC1234 wrote:
As a supporter of both City and Bulls I think the actions of a few small minded City fans are pathetic.
I suspect they originate from the Bingley/Keighley side of the City where they still believe Keighley should be in Super League.
Grow up and put your energy into trying to get City promoted.

He was not abused, merely questioned, see his apology above.

And how exactly, at this time, can we put our energy into getting city promoted? Shall I go down to woodhouse grove now and join in pre-season training?

RE: BCFC1234

So because you’re from a different part of the City it must be them?
Ah right.
I get it now...

FYI BCFC1234 the questions that were put to Mr Green were genuine questions asking how the Council could contemplate giving public to the Bulls yet when City "asked" (Key word here is asked) for help they said NO.

That's the issue many Bradford City supporters have with this situation.

I don't want to the Bulls to die far from it. I don't support them granted but I wouldn't want the club to go under.

Councillor Green is doing his level best to help - that is all. Bradford council have been accused of not being pro active or imaginative in response to so many things in the city down the years - now here is a chance to do something really important that could have a really beneficial impact in all directions - tying the Bulls and the city's Asian business sector together.

I applaud David Green for his efforts here.

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Having been castigated by The Bulls commentators several months ago. For suggesting they were having a poor Season; Plus in financial trouble. I was accused of being "Wrong!".
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This was in response to another possible proposal to 'Ground Share' at Valley Parade.
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I am pleased that The City Board did not enter into any Association with The Bulls.
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Indeed, the problems at this time could have been severely detrimental to BOTH Clubs.
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When are The Bradford Council and its Councillors--going to Address The State of The City Centre. I have not been to the City for this Summer period. BUT, there are greater issues for The Council to resolve--than Supporting The Bradford Bulls with Council Tax payers money!
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I make no wonder the whole City is in such a shambles and run down state given the ridiculous and petty in fighting of people on here. The Council has done nothing for the City for donkeys years.....now they try with something and the knockers are at them...can't win and will never please everybody. Bottom line is Bulls have had glory and brought much positive profile to the City....BCFC??????? get a life and support anyone that is trying to save a Bradford institution. Rant over.

Its no great surprise to discover in todays T&A that Bradford has the second largest decline of any city in the UK over the last century.

Its all part and parcel of the same thing, where years of neglect has finally caught up with the city!

Hollymae?

Are you OK?
Go have a lie down after that.

So are you saying because Bradford Bulls have won things many many years ago they have a divine right to be given money? Public money also?
Bradford City have NEVER brought anything positive to the City?
Oh I must of slept through Wembley 96...Slept through the promotion season...Slept through 2 fantastic years at the top...
Bring some facts to the table next time love.

Lets be fair I am a Bulls fan but feel if the boot was on the other foot many Bulls supporters would be annoyed. We also have the same amounts of idiots who would be up in arms and wanting a public flogging.
However, in the cold light of day it has to be good that the current council are taking an interest in proceedings and the previous council have been exposed for ignoring City's plight.

BCFC1234 wrote:
As a supporter of both City and Bulls I think the actions of a few small minded City fans are pathetic.
I suspect they originate from the Bingley/Keighley side of the City where they still believe Keighley should be in Super League.
Grow up and put your energy into trying to get City promoted.

I have some sympathy for Bulls fans but your cheap shot at Keighley fans of which I am one is uncalled for, what is wrong with having aspirations, after all who cares about the lower league clubs !! Be careful what you wish for

Hello BCFC1234 I'm not sure why your finger of suspicion is pointing down the road towards Keighley. Most football supporters I know in the town follow Burnley or Leeds, many of the older ones having switched allegiance when Park Avenue "died". So I think you are barking up the wrong tree. As regards Keighley Cougars they WERE denied legitimate entry into Super League by underhand politics at the RFL but that was a long time ago and nothing to do with the Bulls current plight. Bradford as a whole is a city that has lost its mojo and everyone should be pulling in the same direction to put it back on the map for all the RIGHT reasons

Laney1989 wrote:
Hollymae?

Are you OK?
Go have a lie down after that.

So are you saying because Bradford Bulls have won things many many years ago they have a divine right to be given money? Public money also?
Bradford City have NEVER brought anything positive to the City?
Oh I must of slept through Wembley 96...Slept through the promotion season...Slept through 2 fantastic years at the top...
Bring some facts to the table next time love.

Dear oh dear, Laney1989 when you tell people to 'bring some facts to the table' make sure you do the same thing - or risk looking very silly.Theres a good love!

The council have contributed millions and millions of ratepayers money to the bulls over the years and what happens when the council money stopped? They go bust and put out the begging bowl again,

I'm a City Supporter and a Bulls Supporter. This really is no time for infighting.

My main concern relating to Council involvement they will make an utter b*lls of it and once again cost the good people of Bradford.

Its important they realise the value of Odsal and don't let it out of their hands for a cut price fee just to keep the Bulls going in their current form. The Bulls will survive whatever happens.

A misjudged decision now could cost the Bulls and the City for Generations.

BCFC, hit the nail on the head, why should someone from Bingley/Keighley see taxpayers monery going to a what is definitely a failed business, why should the bulls have preferential treatment over other companies within Bradford who have had to go into administration,no council help offered to them. The problem at the bulls has just not happened, alarm bells were ringing when they went cap in hand to the general public. Accept that the bulls have failed

Sheffieldbull wrote:

Laney1989 wrote:
Hollymae?

Are you OK?
Go have a lie down after that.

So are you saying because Bradford Bulls have won things many many years ago they have a divine right to be given money? Public money also?
Bradford City have NEVER brought anything positive to the City?
Oh I must of slept through Wembley 96...Slept through the promotion season...Slept through 2 fantastic years at the top...
Bring some facts to the table next time love.

Dear oh dear, Laney1989 when you tell people to 'bring some facts to the table' make sure you do the same thing - or risk looking very silly.Theres a good love!

:s

This should be good...
Are you now saying that the facts I produced aren't facts at all?
So Wembley 96 didn't happen?
So Promotion to the PL didn't happen?
So 2 years in the PL didn't happen?
Bloody hell...think I need to go see a Doctor if it didn't.

Laney1989 wrote:

Sheffieldbull wrote:

Laney1989 wrote:
Hollymae?

Are you OK?
Go have a lie down after that.

So are you saying because Bradford Bulls have won things many many years ago they have a divine right to be given money? Public money also?
Bradford City have NEVER brought anything positive to the City?
Oh I must of slept through Wembley 96...Slept through the promotion season...Slept through 2 fantastic years at the top...
Bring some facts to the table next time love.

Dear oh dear, Laney1989 when you tell people to 'bring some facts to the table' make sure you do the same thing - or risk looking very silly.Theres a good love!

:s

This should be good...
Are you now saying that the facts I produced aren't facts at all?
So Wembley 96 didn't happen?
So Promotion to the PL didn't happen?
So 2 years in the PL didn't happen?
Bloody hell...think I need to go see a Doctor if it didn't.

Facts mmm! As a 'Fact' where in Hollymae's post was it said that the Bulls had a divine right to be given money?
.
I smiled when reading your comment re; Bulls winning things 'many many' years ago (so far back it deserves 2x many's) and then went on to list City's successes, how many 'manys' should that need eh ;-).
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You don't need a Doctor Laney, with a memory like yours, you need a round of applause mate.

It's infighting like this thread that has left our city where it is! Each person looking simply at their own interests and not giving a hoot for the greater good!
Whether the non BUlls fans like it or not, the council have an interest in this affair because they own the land that Odsal stands on.
As for Green and the council not backing other businesses, have a look back a few weeks to the comments he made when Thomas Cook said it was leaving the city. he even suggested using council funds to help keep that company in Bradford!
However, dont let facts get in the way of an argument.

Between 1996-2000 the city had both professional sports clubs thriving! The acts of the clubs owners and directors has led to a downward spiral for both. Just like the owners of our City centre (the council) are responsible for the decline there!

The City is a mess because all people want to do is blame, rather than get heads together and try and improve things or put things right.

OK - Fair enough Hollymae may not of directly said it.

So your "argument" is based on how many "many's" there is?
Brilliant...

Laney1989 wrote:
OK - Fair enough Hollymae may not of directly said it.

So your "argument" is based on how many "many's" there is?
Brilliant...

Thought you'd like it. Repeated sucesses to both Bulls and City should be what we all want for the future Laney.

bantambd12 wrote:
I'm a City Supporter and a Bulls Supporter. This really is no time for infighting.

My main concern relating to Council involvement they will make an utter b*lls of it and once again cost the good people of Bradford.

Its important they realise the value of Odsal and don't let it out of their hands for a cut price fee just to keep the Bulls going in their current form. The Bulls will survive whatever happens.

A misjudged decision now could cost the Bulls and the City for Generations.

Infighting is what people in Bradford do best. Childish snipes from soccer to RL and back again. Over in Leeds you're proud to be from the city. If you follow United you also want Rhinos to win and visa versa. The way in which everyone in Bradford carries chips on their shoulders about the other sport is disgusting.

Well let's see if the council will let tax payers know how much they are willing to lend the bulls consortium, becouse if the bulls are been bought with council funds. Maybe other consortiums may have a interest. And so that the council can be seen to be acting without bias they could offer the same amount to city on the same terms

Sheffieldbull wrote:

Laney1989 wrote:
OK - Fair enough Hollymae may not of directly said it.

So your "argument" is based on how many "many's" there is?
Brilliant...

Thought you'd like it. Repeated sucesses to both Bulls and City should be what we all want for the future Laney.

think you'll find that continued success for bulls is last thing on laney(chris's) mind given he's a rhinos fan. that said he does spend a strange amount of time on the odsal terraces.

BCFC1234 wrote:
As a supporter of both City and Bulls I think the actions of a few small minded City fans are pathetic.
I suspect they originate from the Bingley/Keighley side of the City where they still believe Keighley should be in Super League.
Grow up and put your energy into trying to get City promoted.

Do you know what went on? The guys on Twitter were asking genuine questions, all 6 of them. The councillor then went to T&A claiming abuse was thrown his way, only to retract the "abuse" statement using the age old "taken out of context" line. Before you start calling us small minded, check your facts!

If the council were to 'own' VP and lower rents I daresay a takeover by a consortium or interested party would be more or less a given. Either that or more cash in the pot for a promotion push. We've been told time and again that the council would facilitate where they could but NEVER use tax payers money to prop up an ailing private venture. This makes no difference under who's tenure, be it Thos Cook or Bradford Bulls, no taxpayers money.

If a takeover is to happen then the warts need to be taken over too, with no outside funding apart from the business interested in taking the reins. I'm sure they wouldn't be rushing to share any profit.

mdn wrote:

Sheffieldbull wrote:

Laney1989 wrote:
OK - Fair enough Hollymae may not of directly said it.

So your "argument" is based on how many "many's" there is?
Brilliant...

Thought you'd like it. Repeated sucesses to both Bulls and City should be what we all want for the future Laney.

think you'll find that continued success for bulls is last thing on laney(chris's) mind given he's a rhinos fan. that said he does spend a strange amount of time on the odsal terraces.

“Continued success of Bulls is last thing on my mind”
To be fair I’ve got a Challenge Cup semi-final against bloody Wigan to worry about tomorrow so you could say that yeah.
Although that doesn’t mean I want the Bulls to go out of business, does it?

So now your slating someone who loves his Rugby League and is willing to put £20 + Food & Beer money in to the club that needs all the money it can get?!
I’ll reconsider coming to any games in future then.

Laney1989 wrote:

mdn wrote:

Sheffieldbull wrote:

Laney1989 wrote:
OK - Fair enough Hollymae may not of directly said it.

So your "argument" is based on how many "many's" there is?
Brilliant...

Thought you'd like it. Repeated sucesses to both Bulls and City should be what we all want for the future Laney.

think you'll find that continued success for bulls is last thing on laney(chris's) mind given he's a rhinos fan. that said he does spend a strange amount of time on the odsal terraces.

“Continued success of Bulls is last thing on my mind”
To be fair I’ve got a Challenge Cup semi-final against bloody Wigan to worry about tomorrow so you could say that yeah.
Although that doesn’t mean I want the Bulls to go out of business, does it?

So now your slating someone who loves his Rugby League and is willing to put £20 + Food & Beer money in to the club that needs all the money it can get?!
I’ll reconsider coming to any games in future then.

Had a sense of humour bypass? You get ribbed worse than that on odsal terraces and don't bite ;-)

hollymae wrote:
I make no wonder the whole City is in such a shambles and run down state given the ridiculous and petty in fighting of people on here. The Council has done nothing for the City for donkeys years.....now they try with something and the knockers are at them...can't win and will never please everybody. Bottom line is Bulls have had glory and brought much positive profile to the City....BCFC??????? get a life and support anyone that is trying to save a Bradford institution. Rant over.

is the bradford institution your refering to the odeon??

BD16 wrote:
I hope the Bulls survive but it can't be at the expence of the site at Odsal being redeveloped for private profit. It's a prime site and if anybody is going to make money from it then it should be the land owners, the council tax payers of Bradford.

Got it 100% correct BD16 no problem with any consortium putting monies into saving the Bulls but they should not be in a position where somewhere in the future the can sell Odsal Stadium for personel gain, the only benifactors of any future sale should be Bradford Council as you mentioned above.

I presume the council's offer of assistance would be a monetary loan and and not actually giving the Bulls money? Therefore it would be expected to be repaid, with interest, when the new consortium take over resulting in a gain to the council funds. What is wrong with that scenario?

The Council should only help the Bulls if they agree to move to Valley Parade.

silverbantam wrote:
The Council should only help the Bulls if they agree to move to Valley Parade.

......And then which sporting club will then pay the council their rent for Odsal?????
Flawed plan!

Though I want the Bulls to survive, how on earth can the council even contemplate giving them financial help when they refused the same thing to Bradford City, City at the time had a much larger following than what Bulls do now so if anything they are helping the less popular team out and going against the larger population of tax payers in Bradford. What kind of a council goes against popularity, strange.

Birkybantam92 wrote:
Though I want the Bulls to survive, how on earth can the council even contemplate giving them financial help when they refused the same thing to Bradford City, City at the time had a much larger following than what Bulls do now so if anything they are helping the less popular team out and going against the larger population of tax payers in Bradford. What kind of a council goes against popularity, strange.

The council which "went against popularity" was the Tory council at the time of City's administrations.We shouldn't be asking why the present council is trying to assist the Bulls, but why earlier councils didn't assist City

Off the subject a bit but having friends in Keighley and visiting there from time to time it is a town full of Burnley FC and Leeds United fans.You can count the Bantams fans on one hand.Totally agree about the comment about Bradford being a city in decline and wherever you look in the city the evidence is there.It is pitiful that City and Bulls fans are taking potshots at each other and as you play different sports frankly I do not see why there should be animosity.

I wonder if the head of the council was asian and not David whether some here would be so happy to accept council help or whether they would prefer to jump off a cliffe and commit harry carry instead, eh Grandpa!

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Perhaps rather than whinge sour grapes for past council attitudes a encouraging voice for the council to help All sport in Bradford survive long term should be demanded.

The Councils attitude over 40 years has seen the terminal decline of
1.Bradford Park Avenue
2.The demolition and non use of what was one of the finest dual grounds at Park Avenue in the country
3.The abandonment to wasteland of the Schoolmoor site that cost 2 million in 1984.


I could go on and on.

Yet the council was prepared to lend 45 million to enable a BANK the Provident to take up new residence just a few hundred yards from their existing offices.They operate as loan sharks the good old Provident causing misery to tens of thousands of peoples lives.

Good on yer Council.

The one thing that people still do have in these ever increasingly depressing times is an outlet for up to 30000 of our population who regularly have the escapism of watching their beloved teams.

In times of great difficulty Sport is a means of easing lifes hardship.

An essential social tool where for a few brief hours people can be happy that THEY WERE THERE.
Win or Lose they were there.

I witnessed the great high that can bring to otherwise depressing news daily as I saw 80 and 90 year men,who had lived through world war,crying,sobbing uncontrollable tears of joy as their beloved Bradford Park avenue acheived promotion to take them back to within two steps of resumning those great Bradford derbies.

I can tell the public I and many fellow Bradfordians have had 40 years of anger that the late Eddie Newby"s council failed (by a majority of 1 with the leader having the casting vote)
BPA were condemned to liquidation through the council refusing to step in until it was too late and purchasing the Park avenue site.

Which they did 2 years later for ten thousand more than what at the crucial time it could have been aquired for.

Sport plays a vital part in social cohesion of peoples lives.

The value to the community is immeasurable in pounds shillings and pence.

Of course BFD council have a long term interest in the BUlls situation.

Whuilst the length of lease at Odsal effectively gives the owners freehold status (hundred year lease)the freehold reversion is held by the Bradford Taxpayer.

Stop fighting and whinging.

Work together to join all three up in a set up long term at the best logistical strategic site at Odsal.

Because Gibb at VP is intransigent bitter and unhelpfull to all Bradfordians after the personal abuse he took following his brief but unsuccessfull and hugely unpopular tenure at the club.

Men of Bradford UNITE.

For the better and common good of us all.

I repeat I and many others have been angry for 40 years.

I would not wish those despairing feelings on any fellow Bradfordian who follow their beloved BCFC and Bradford Northern Bulls.

Take a look at Horsfall Stadium now through the efforts of a handfull of determined Bradfordians.
Its gleaming and ready for the dawn of an expectant season.

20 years ago through lack of council investment it was decaying underused and if Bradford council had had their way would by now be covered in houses.

Sport can live with developers if it gives a long term chance of survival.

Looking at Odsal apart from all else it looks tired.

Good luck to all Bradford sporting institutions.

They keep people happy.

even when success is evading them.


We WERE THERE.

Winning or losing it mattered not.

WE WERE THERE>


God bless Trevor Foster who epitomised the spirit needed.

Never give in he would tell us at Bradford Police Boys Club.
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NEVER GIVE IN SPORT LOVING BRADFORDIANS

BCFCBoothy1 wrote:

silverbantam wrote:
The Council should only help the Bulls if they agree to move to Valley Parade.

......And then which sporting club will then pay the council their rent for Odsal?????
Flawed plan!

can someone please fill me in on when the council bought odsal!? i thought the rfl bought it!? or am i missing something?

BD16 wrote:
I hope the Bulls survive but it can't be at the expence of the site at Odsal being redeveloped for private profit. It's a prime site and if anybody is going to make money from it then it should be the land owners, the council tax payers of Bradford.

Land owners are RFL are they not? Plus i think it would be astute business sense to try purchase the land back, move the bulls to valley parade, then redevelop the land as they see fit? This would enable funds gained to ensure the business (bulls) can move forwards? If i had more than 2 pennies to rub together thats what id try do anyway!? ;-)

Also where is this Parkin bloke who wanted to do a double buy out of bulls and city? Surely its the perfect time to get one on the cheap!? Publicity hunter springs to mind!?

Well said armen aleg. Wise words indeed.

Perhaps you should offer yourself up to be elected to the council? God knows you talk far more sense than the current and previous incumbents at city hall

Under what circumstances should a 'failing' business be helped by using tax payers money? Is it simply a matter of either agreeing with the 'free market' philosophy in its purest terms or are there exceptions?

Is there a demand for the product that the business is producing?

Is there anything to be gained by allowing a particular company to go bust simply due to poor management as opposed to a lack of demand for that product?

Is there a competing business that is being run well that would suffer if the failing business was assisted by the tax payer?

What are the benefits and losses involved as regards the wider local issues such as the economy (do visitors to Odsal spend money in and around the local shops for example?), prestige, confidence, pride, a coming together of different backgrounds in a shared goal or achievement etc?

robertO12 wrote:

BD16 wrote: I hope the Bulls survive but it can't be at the expence of the site at Odsal being redeveloped for private profit. It's a prime site and if anybody is going to make money from it then it should be the land owners, the council tax payers of Bradford.

Land owners are RFL are they not? Plus i think it would be astute business sense to try purchase the land back, move the bulls to valley parade, then redevelop the land as they see fit? This would enable funds gained to ensure the business (bulls) can move forwards? If i had more than 2 pennies to rub together thats what id try do anyway!? ;-) Also where is this Parkin bloke who wanted to do a double buy out of bulls and city? Surely its the perfect time to get one on the cheap!? Publicity hunter springs to mind!?

No, the lease holders are the RFL. The land owners are Bradford council. To be honest I don't know what sort of control the council would have over any development plans the lease holders have, whoever the lease holders might be.

I got the impression Parkin wanted the land, Odsal, for personal gain and he would have moved the Bulls into VP as a way of getting that.

The RFL are the current LEASEHOLDERS,Bradfor
d MDC are the LANDOWNERS.
Should the lease be bought back from the RFL,by any consortium,structura
l alterations to the current Odsal setup would be subject to the granting of planning permission,by Bradford MDC.

I would love to see Bradford Park Avenue carry on their massive progress and reach Football League status in te next 2 or 3 years.They are the one major sporting club in Bradford that is run well and they deserve their success.They certainly deserve better support.City and Bulls lost my sympathy ages ago.

arhmen aleg wrote:
Perhaps rather than whinge sour grapes for past council attitudes a encouraging voice for the council to help All sport in Bradford survive long term should be demanded.

The Councils attitude over 40 years has seen the terminal decline of
1.Bradford Park Avenue
2.The demolition and non use of what was one of the finest dual grounds at Park Avenue in the country
3.The abandonment to wasteland of the Schoolmoor site that cost 2 million in 1984.


I could go on and on.

Yet the council was prepared to lend 45 million to enable a BANK the Provident to take up new residence just a few hundred yards from their existing offices.They operate as loan sharks the good old Provident causing misery to tens of thousands of peoples lives.

Good on yer Council.

The one thing that people still do have in these ever increasingly depressing times is an outlet for up to 30000 of our population who regularly have the escapism of watching their beloved teams.

In times of great difficulty Sport is a means of easing lifes hardship.

An essential social tool where for a few brief hours people can be happy that THEY WERE THERE.
Win or Lose they were there.

I witnessed the great high that can bring to otherwise depressing news daily as I saw 80 and 90 year men,who had lived through world war,crying,sobbing uncontrollable tears of joy as their beloved Bradford Park avenue acheived promotion to take them back to within two steps of resumning those great Bradford derbies.

I can tell the public I and many fellow Bradfordians have had 40 years of anger that the late Eddie Newby"s council failed (by a majority of 1 with the leader having the casting vote)
BPA were condemned to liquidation through the council refusing to step in until it was too late and purchasing the Park avenue site.

Which they did 2 years later for ten thousand more than what at the crucial time it could have been aquired for.

Sport plays a vital part in social cohesion of peoples lives.

The value to the community is immeasurable in pounds shillings and pence.

Of course BFD council have a long term interest in the BUlls situation.

Whuilst the length of lease at Odsal effectively gives the owners freehold status (hundred year lease)the freehold reversion is held by the Bradford Taxpayer.

Stop fighting and whinging.

Work together to join all three up in a set up long term at the best logistical strategic site at Odsal.

Because Gibb at VP is intransigent bitter and unhelpfull to all Bradfordians after the personal abuse he took following his brief but unsuccessfull and hugely unpopular tenure at the club.

Men of Bradford UNITE.

For the better and common good of us all.

I repeat I and many others have been angry for 40 years.

I would not wish those despairing feelings on any fellow Bradfordian who follow their beloved BCFC and Bradford Northern Bulls.

Take a look at Horsfall Stadium now through the efforts of a handfull of determined Bradfordians.
Its gleaming and ready for the dawn of an expectant season.

20 years ago through lack of council investment it was decaying underused and if Bradford council had had their way would by now be covered in houses.

Sport can live with developers if it gives a long term chance of survival.

Looking at Odsal apart from all else it looks tired.

Good luck to all Bradford sporting institutions.

They keep people happy.

even when success is evading them.


We WERE THERE.

Winning or losing it mattered not.

WE WERE THERE>


God bless Trevor Foster who epitomised the spirit needed.

Never give in he would tell us at Bradford Police Boys Club.
#
NEVER GIVE IN SPORT LOVING BRADFORDIANS

Well said, and well done for pointing out what should be obvious to all Bradfordians.

We need sport and open spaces for our kids and grandchildren to fully appreciate real Health and Vitality, plus the values of community and respect for our fellow human beings, something that Trevor Foster epitomised.

BCFC1234 wrote:
As a supporter of both City and Bulls I think the actions of a few small minded City fans are pathetic.
I suspect they originate from the Bingley/Keighley side of the City where they still believe Keighley should be in Super League.
Grow up and put your energy into trying to get City promoted.

Get a life, if it wasn't for the time and effort of keighley creating "Courgarmania" you would have had nothing to model you're " bullmania" on !!! You wonder why the people of keighley want you go go bust .....read your own post !!! Hope to visit Akbars at Odsal soon !!!!

give em fu-ck all from council funds.
made your bed now lie in it.
consortium should put up or shut up and bulls should stay at odsal.
got enough hotels and restaurant.
city till i die..........

Well said arhmen aleg usual lcommomn sense from y ou. Roll on Worcester

It was a conservative council when city went into admin, use your brains people

Fed up of years of "rugby on the rates" why should council tax payers fund the Bulls again when they have already blown millions that the council has ploughed into them over the years.

Fill odsal with water then we can have two water features to bring millions of visitors to the city

BigFigure wrote:

Birkybantam92 wrote: Though I want the Bulls to survive, how on earth can the council even contemplate giving them financial help when they refused the same thing to Bradford City, City at the time had a much larger following than what Bulls do now so if anything they are helping the less popular team out and going against the larger population of tax payers in Bradford. What kind of a council goes against popularity, strange.

The council which "went against popularity" was the Tory council at the time of City's administrations.We shouldn't be asking why the present council is trying to assist the Bulls, but why earlier councils didn't assist City

Exactly

Any news on how much the dulls jumble sale fetched in?
Drop me a line when you're have a cake sale, I have a wander down. Like a bit of cake do us Rhino's.

Shelfrhino wrote:
Any news on how much the dulls jumble sale fetched in?
Drop me a line when you're have a cake sale, I have a wander down. Like a bit of cake do us Rhino's.

Your owned by Steam Pigs has he O/Ked you to post ???

nowt fresh wrote:

Shelfrhino wrote: Any news on how much the dulls jumble sale fetched in? Drop me a line when you're have a cake sale, I have a wander down. Like a bit of cake do us Rhino's.

Your owned by Steam Pigs has he O/Ked you to post ???

In your dreams. What are you, his little mate trying to bask in the glory of steamed wig? Run along now little girl, nobody owns me.

I find it really quite depressing that the leader of the council is frittering his time away in idle chit-chat on Twitter. I find it staggering that 'normal', everyday people have time to waste on this service let alone people who are supposed to be running the country (MPs) and the so-called leader of one of the country's largest councils. No doubt they would argue that it is about enhancing their 'accessibility' to the electorate or some other spurious claim about furthering democracy. But most people realise its just some sort of vanity and ego-stroking exercise. Personally I can't take anyone seriously in politics who thinks Twitter is an appropriate means of communication.

Laney1989 wrote:
Hollymae?

Are you OK?
Go have a lie down after that.

So are you saying because Bradford Bulls have won things many many years ago they have a divine right to be given money? Public money also?
Bradford City have NEVER brought anything positive to the City?
Oh I must of slept through Wembley 96...Slept through the promotion season...Slept through 2 fantastic years at the top...
Bring some facts to the table next time love.

BUT YOU STILL HAVEN'T WON ANYTHING THOU.YOU HAVE SPENT MORE TIME AT THE WRONG END OF THE TABLE THAN YOU HAVE AT THE TOP. LAST TIME THE BULLS WON OWT WAS 2006 WHEN WAS IT BCFC WON ANYTHING CAN YOU REMEMBER THAT FAR BACK (1911) FA CUP I THINK THE BULLS TROPHY CABINET IS A LOT FULLER THAN CITY'S

Shelfrhino wrote:

nowt fresh wrote:

Shelfrhino wrote: Any news on how much the dulls jumble sale fetched in? Drop me a line when you're have a cake sale, I have a wander down. Like a bit of cake do us Rhino's.

Your owned by Steam Pigs has he O/Ked you to post ???

In your dreams. What are you, his little mate trying to bask in the glory of steamed wig? Run along now little girl, nobody owns me.

Sorry to disapoint you Shelfrhino don't know Steam Pigs pesonally just admired the way he blew your petty arguement away in one of his previous posts,think most on here realise who "the little girl" is with the pathetic messages you post, you realy are an embarrassment to the Rhino's if you do support them and are not just a new glory hunter :-)

deano-41

I remember 1911 when city won the F.A. cup (no i was not born lol) it was stolen and Fattorinis made a new one, so Hollymea should take note, although it was a long time ago bcfc won the f.a. cup.....I rate the f.a.cup a far greater achievement than anything BRADFORD NORTHERN/BULLS have won........so B.C.F.C. HAS brought positive profit to the city...ctid

IF the council had helped BCAFC by purchasing VP instead of City having to sell the ground to Gibb's Flamingo Land Pension Fund and allowed them to pay the 'loan' back at 350k per year as they have done in rent then City would now own VP and be in a much stronger position. This is what galls me as a City fan about this whole council offer. We may not have had the massive fall from grace we have suffered due to this.

If the Bulls were to suffer the same fate they would be below Dudley Hill in the RFL league system now would they not?

Part of the reason why the Bulls are in such a mess is because they have been propped up by the Council in the past and haven't operated on a sound financial basis for years.

*This scruffy looking man presents a terrible image for Bradford.
*The council should not be putting public money into a private business.

Whilst I have every sympathy for the bulls fan I wouldnt want any monies paid by the council as a "loan" to the new buyers out of principle. At the end of the day this isnt their money to lend and should be spent on other areas in Bradford not saving a commercial interest. If the consortium cant stump up the money themselves then so be it and have done.

Andy2010 wrote:
Whilst I have every sympathy for the bulls fan I wouldnt want any monies paid by the council as a "loan" to the new buyers out of principle. At the end of the day this isnt their money to lend and should be spent on other areas in Bradford not saving a commercial interest. If the consortium cant stump up the money themselves then so be it and have done.

Totally agree that it is not the councils money but If all my council tax goes on what benefits me then the words 'like hell spring to mind ! So why does the word commercial change anything? Other area's of council funding are totally pointless and benefit the few but it happens so what is different for the Bulls? Look at the facts on how much money is owed to the council in unpaid taxes! Does that mean these people do not benefit for services offered? Doubt it!!

DevonBull wrote:

Andy2010 wrote: Whilst I have every sympathy for the bulls fan I wouldnt want any monies paid by the council as a "loan" to the new buyers out of principle. At the end of the day this isnt their money to lend and should be spent on other areas in Bradford not saving a commercial interest. If the consortium cant stump up the money themselves then so be it and have done.

Totally agree that it is not the councils money but If all my council tax goes on what benefits me then the words 'like hell spring to mind ! So why does the word commercial change anything? Other area's of council funding are totally pointless and benefit the few but it happens so what is different for the Bulls? Look at the facts on how much money is owed to the council in unpaid taxes! Does that mean these people do not benefit for services offered? Doubt it!!

Sorry what I actually meant was I object to having council monies spent on this specific commercial project. Lets face it the ABC lot are only interested in the $ and if the council are "swaying" them with our monies thats what I object to. It may be classed as a loan but come on lets be realistic. If these business men cant raise a few million to put down on the table without the need for "loans" then I would question why they need the public purse to help them out. I agree with you the council wastes money left right and centre in Bradford but we all know they are woefully useless at clawing back money (westfield). I highly doubt the new owners woudl give up the revenue on a weekly basis either until this "loan" is paid off.