Groundshare makes economic sense for Bradford Bulls and Bantams, says MP

‘Quitting Odsal for Valley Parade simply has to happen’, says MP

MP David Ward has stirred up the long-running debate over the Bulls moving to Valley Parade, pictured

Bradford East MP David Ward

First published in Bantams Bradford Telegraph and Argus: Photograph of the Author by , Bradford Bulls Reporter

A Bradford MP today led calls for the Bulls to leave Odsal and make Valley Parade their new permanent home.

Bradford East MP David Ward insisted Odsal will be never be anything other than a “big black hole” in the Bulls’ finances and claimed a groundshare with City held the key to a sustainable future for both clubs.

Ward said the Bulls’ financial crisis was partly due to the cost of being at Odsal and that City were paying an “absolute fortune” in rent to Valley Parade landlord Gordon Gibb. His solution would see both the city’s professional sports clubs play at Valley Parade, with a potential long-term possibility of buying the stadium from Gibb.

Ward told the T&A: “This needs to be raised as a matter of priority in any discussions about the future of the Bulls and City.

“When you are on the terraces at Odsal it’s awesome in terms of a venue, but the cost is bringing the club to its knees.

“Odsal will never be anything other than a big black hole, sucking the resources out of the playing side and detrimental to the development of the club.

When you are on the terraces at Odsal it’s awesome in terms of a venue, but the cost is bringing the club to its knees

David Ward MP

“You have a 25,000-seater, state-of-the-art stadium at Valley Parade and there’s room to develop it further.

“It’s used little more than 23 times a year as things stand and that just does not add up.

“If you look at the success of groundsharing at other clubs then it’s the only way forward. It makes economic sense and it simply has to happen.”

Two years ago, ambitious plans for a £75.5 million Odsal Sports Village were kicked firmly into touch due to a funding crisis.

Earlier this year the Bulls sold the lease on Odsal to the RFL, making them tenants rather than owners of their historic home.

Ward added: “As long as the Bulls stay at Odsal they will always be just sticking plasters over things until the next crisis – it would be throwing good money after bad to stay there.

“If the Odsal Sporting Village had got underway they would have had to move to Valley Parade for at least a couple of seasons anyway.

“Why not just bite the bullet on this one and recognise the economic realities? Whatever happens to Odsal will happen.

“It’s a highly developable part of the city with great links to the motorway, as we know.

“But that’s really a secondary issue. This is not about how the Bulls are going to raise the next £500,000; it’s about the development of both clubs for the next 15 to 20 to 25 years.

“All the economic reality is pointing in one direction. Let’s just get the debate going.

“I actually think many people are put off investing in the Bulls because they regard the stadium as being a lost cause.

“Once you’ve backed that with joint funding, you’ve got a fantastic stadium in Valley Parade as it stands.

“But then you can start talking about the development of that stadium and the surrounding area.

“We need to get some economic regeneration in the city centre and in Manningham – this could kick-start that.”

The Bulls played two seasons at Valley Parade in 2001 and 2002 during the redevelopment of Odsal, the club’s home since 1934.

Ward added: “Maybe it wasn’t particularly friendly when the Bulls were previously there but I know City would be very, very welcoming this time.

“City are paying an absolute fortune every single year in rent to Gordon Gibb.

“Ideally, if both clubs came together then the prospects of buying out Gibb at Valley Parade could be more of a possibility. Then you start to become masters of your own destiny.”

Comments (226)

Please log in to enable comment sorting

7:09am Fri 27 Apr 12

Blotto says...

So plan B by Caisley is to roll out an MP whose never had original thought and using VP as a distraction is just a desperate attempt to keep certain voters happy
So plan B by Caisley is to roll out an MP whose never had original thought and using VP as a distraction is just a desperate attempt to keep certain voters happy Blotto
  • Score: 0

7:19am Fri 27 Apr 12

prince35 says...

It's never going to happen.
I think the council should now help in buying valley parade from Mr gibb.
Look the bulls and bradford cty are the biggest liesure activities in this city.
Going forward I'm sure it could be archived if the people involved got roynd the table and were prepared to give way on certain issues.
Yes there maybe issues with the pitch being not up to standard for the football that needs to be played.
Is the pitch big enough for proffesional rugby to be played?
At least look into the idea before dismissing it completely.
Both clubs deserve to be on better financial positions.
Seems Mr parkins idea to merge both cty and the bulls wasn't far off the mark????.
Watch this space
It's never going to happen. I think the council should now help in buying valley parade from Mr gibb. Look the bulls and bradford cty are the biggest liesure activities in this city. Going forward I'm sure it could be archived if the people involved got roynd the table and were prepared to give way on certain issues. Yes there maybe issues with the pitch being not up to standard for the football that needs to be played. Is the pitch big enough for proffesional rugby to be played? At least look into the idea before dismissing it completely. Both clubs deserve to be on better financial positions. Seems Mr parkins idea to merge both cty and the bulls wasn't far off the mark????. Watch this space prince35
  • Score: 0

7:22am Fri 27 Apr 12

barbarian mike says...

Odsal is a superb and iconic venue. Stay there if we can! Don't know why this fella deems it fit for him to throw his opinion in!?
Odsal is a superb and iconic venue. Stay there if we can! Don't know why this fella deems it fit for him to throw his opinion in!? barbarian mike
  • Score: 0

7:26am Fri 27 Apr 12

Laney1989 says...

"Music to my ears"
Been saying it for years but the stubborn "old-guard" at Odsal will NEVER allow it.
"Music to my ears" Been saying it for years but the stubborn "old-guard" at Odsal will NEVER allow it. Laney1989
  • Score: 0

7:30am Fri 27 Apr 12

silverbantam says...

Totally agree but the only way it will work is if the Council buy the ground from Gibb so neither club owns the ground.
Totally agree but the only way it will work is if the Council buy the ground from Gibb so neither club owns the ground. silverbantam
  • Score: 0

7:36am Fri 27 Apr 12

caribouk says...

Surely ground sharing at Odsal would be better? Valley Parade is not the best place to get to and from and has no potential for further development, whereas Odsal has great transport links and could easily be developed to provide additional income streams.

Can't see what its got to do with this fella though!
Surely ground sharing at Odsal would be better? Valley Parade is not the best place to get to and from and has no potential for further development, whereas Odsal has great transport links and could easily be developed to provide additional income streams. Can't see what its got to do with this fella though! caribouk
  • Score: 0

7:39am Fri 27 Apr 12

Tim the Mage says...

Why don't Bradford City play at Odsal and leave Gibb with his debt.

Makes as much sense as David Ward's suggestion.

We are reaping the results of the last Labour government calling in a refusing the Sterling Capital/Tesco redevelopment. Amazing that when the City had 5 Labour MPs they couldn't get it through!
Why don't Bradford City play at Odsal and leave Gibb with his debt. Makes as much sense as David Ward's suggestion. We are reaping the results of the last Labour government calling in a refusing the Sterling Capital/Tesco redevelopment. Amazing that when the City had 5 Labour MPs they couldn't get it through! Tim the Mage
  • Score: 0

7:41am Fri 27 Apr 12

eckybantam says...

All these politicans want to shout there mouth off about professional sport in bradford .That is until it comes to generating any finance ,where was ward when the bulls were trying to raise money.Never heard him speaking out to try and help the bulls or city all the years he was on bradford council.Stop trying to jump on the bandwagon like scumbag galloway ,and crawl back in your hole and collect your fat salary ,instead of trying to create publicity for your party just as the local council elections are looming.
All these politicans want to shout there mouth off about professional sport in bradford .That is until it comes to generating any finance ,where was ward when the bulls were trying to raise money.Never heard him speaking out to try and help the bulls or city all the years he was on bradford council.Stop trying to jump on the bandwagon like scumbag galloway ,and crawl back in your hole and collect your fat salary ,instead of trying to create publicity for your party just as the local council elections are looming. eckybantam
  • Score: 0

7:42am Fri 27 Apr 12

prince35 says...

Another issue is there to many ego's at both clubs that wouldnt be prepared to either stand down or share power.
It would need one owner of the bulls and bradford cty with the council owning the stadium and charging an affordable rent.
Then at cty We have people that have invested funds into bradford cty.
They won't go quietly.
Massive finance and business men doing what's right for proffesional sport in this city , would be needed??
Another issue is there to many ego's at both clubs that wouldnt be prepared to either stand down or share power. It would need one owner of the bulls and bradford cty with the council owning the stadium and charging an affordable rent. Then at cty We have people that have invested funds into bradford cty. They won't go quietly. Massive finance and business men doing what's right for proffesional sport in this city , would be needed?? prince35
  • Score: 0

7:42am Fri 27 Apr 12

angry bradfordian says...

barbarian mike wrote:
Odsal is a superb and iconic venue. Stay there if we can! Don't know why this fella deems it fit for him to throw his opinion in!?
He's an MP who probably has constituents who are Bulls fans, so he's got a right to air his view. Which particular views do you disagree with? Even the most ardent Bulls fan would find it difficult to call Odsal 'superb' and the dwindling crowds are a testament to that- it's one of the worst 2 or 3 grounds in Super League.
[quote][p][bold]barbarian mike[/bold] wrote: Odsal is a superb and iconic venue. Stay there if we can! Don't know why this fella deems it fit for him to throw his opinion in!?[/p][/quote]He's an MP who probably has constituents who are Bulls fans, so he's got a right to air his view. Which particular views do you disagree with? Even the most ardent Bulls fan would find it difficult to call Odsal 'superb' and the dwindling crowds are a testament to that- it's one of the worst 2 or 3 grounds in Super League. angry bradfordian
  • Score: 0

7:44am Fri 27 Apr 12

Marco Polio says...

To those saying City should move to Odsal. They can't get out of their leash on VP, so the only option is for Bulls to move to VP. Also the land Odsal stands on is better for development, with its transport links etc. so wouldn't be a total money waste for RFL.
To those saying City should move to Odsal. They can't get out of their leash on VP, so the only option is for Bulls to move to VP. Also the land Odsal stands on is better for development, with its transport links etc. so wouldn't be a total money waste for RFL. Marco Polio
  • Score: 0

7:44am Fri 27 Apr 12

Cityman23 says...

caribouk wrote:
Surely ground sharing at Odsal would be better? Valley Parade is not the best place to get to and from and has no potential for further development, whereas Odsal has great transport links and could easily be developed to provide additional income streams.

Can't see what its got to do with this fella though!
Odsal may well be the 'spiritual home' of the Bulls but ..when it's a choice between no club and a club playing in Bradford but at 'VP', which are you going to choose? Also, HOW is 'VP' difficult to get to from town-numerous buses!!

'VP' is a purpose built modern stadium, fully seated, fully covered -there's no comparison between it and Odsal, which needs a LOT of money spending on it.

If the Bulls/City 'share' at 'VP' BOTH will have to make 'sacrifices' but BOTH WILL benefit! Buying the stadium back eventually COULD be a future option!
[quote][p][bold]caribouk[/bold] wrote: Surely ground sharing at Odsal would be better? Valley Parade is not the best place to get to and from and has no potential for further development, whereas Odsal has great transport links and could easily be developed to provide additional income streams. Can't see what its got to do with this fella though![/p][/quote]Odsal may well be the 'spiritual home' of the Bulls but ..when it's a choice between no club and a club playing in Bradford but at 'VP', which are you going to choose? Also, HOW is 'VP' difficult to get to from town-numerous buses!! 'VP' is a purpose built modern stadium, fully seated, fully covered -there's no comparison between it and Odsal, which needs a LOT of money spending on it. If the Bulls/City 'share' at 'VP' BOTH will have to make 'sacrifices' but BOTH WILL benefit! Buying the stadium back eventually COULD be a future option! Cityman23
  • Score: 0

7:46am Fri 27 Apr 12

prince35 says...

Tim the Mage wrote:
Why don't Bradford City play at Odsal and leave Gibb with his debt.

Makes as much sense as David Ward's suggestion.

We are reaping the results of the last Labour government calling in a refusing the Sterling Capital/Tesco redevelopment. Amazing that when the City had 5 Labour MPs they couldn't get it through!
Bradford cty had the fire and I really don't blame the club or fans that would want to stay at vp.
There's more of an emotional attachment for the bradford fans and board.
[quote][p][bold]Tim the Mage[/bold] wrote: Why don't Bradford City play at Odsal and leave Gibb with his debt. Makes as much sense as David Ward's suggestion. We are reaping the results of the last Labour government calling in a refusing the Sterling Capital/Tesco redevelopment. Amazing that when the City had 5 Labour MPs they couldn't get it through![/p][/quote]Bradford cty had the fire and I really don't blame the club or fans that would want to stay at vp. There's more of an emotional attachment for the bradford fans and board. prince35
  • Score: 0

8:03am Fri 27 Apr 12

silverbantam says...

prince35 wrote:
It's never going to happen.
I think the council should now help in buying valley parade from Mr gibb.
Look the bulls and bradford cty are the biggest liesure activities in this city.
Going forward I'm sure it could be archived if the people involved got roynd the table and were prepared to give way on certain issues.
Yes there maybe issues with the pitch being not up to standard for the football that needs to be played.
Is the pitch big enough for proffesional rugby to be played?
At least look into the idea before dismissing it completely.
Both clubs deserve to be on better financial positions.
Seems Mr parkins idea to merge both cty and the bulls wasn't far off the mark????.
Watch this space
And what is your guide dog called ?
[quote][p][bold]prince35[/bold] wrote: It's never going to happen. I think the council should now help in buying valley parade from Mr gibb. Look the bulls and bradford cty are the biggest liesure activities in this city. Going forward I'm sure it could be archived if the people involved got roynd the table and were prepared to give way on certain issues. Yes there maybe issues with the pitch being not up to standard for the football that needs to be played. Is the pitch big enough for proffesional rugby to be played? At least look into the idea before dismissing it completely. Both clubs deserve to be on better financial positions. Seems Mr parkins idea to merge both cty and the bulls wasn't far off the mark????. Watch this space[/p][/quote]And what is your guide dog called ? silverbantam
  • Score: 0

8:08am Fri 27 Apr 12

claytonbantam says...

And also city are not the ones with the massive debts appealing to anybody and everybody to part with their cash. As horrible as it sounds it makes me laugh at all the bulls fans laughing at us when moving to odsal was a possibility at the end of last season. I personally would not want them down here during the football season especially if we have a successful season and then the pitch is ruined
And also city are not the ones with the massive debts appealing to anybody and everybody to part with their cash. As horrible as it sounds it makes me laugh at all the bulls fans laughing at us when moving to odsal was a possibility at the end of last season. I personally would not want them down here during the football season especially if we have a successful season and then the pitch is ruined claytonbantam
  • Score: 0

8:10am Fri 27 Apr 12

prince35 says...

silverbantam wrote:
prince35 wrote:
It's never going to happen.
I think the council should now help in buying valley parade from Mr gibb.
Look the bulls and bradford cty are the biggest liesure activities in this city.
Going forward I'm sure it could be archived if the people involved got roynd the table and were prepared to give way on certain issues.
Yes there maybe issues with the pitch being not up to standard for the football that needs to be played.
Is the pitch big enough for proffesional rugby to be played?
At least look into the idea before dismissing it completely.
Both clubs deserve to be on better financial positions.
Seems Mr parkins idea to merge both cty and the bulls wasn't far off the mark????.
Watch this space
And what is your guide dog called ?
How do you mean?
I've given my oppinion as a,season tkt holder at bradford cty.
At least if you don't agree , come on and give me a reason why?
Instead of talking in riddles?
[quote][p][bold]silverbantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]prince35[/bold] wrote: It's never going to happen. I think the council should now help in buying valley parade from Mr gibb. Look the bulls and bradford cty are the biggest liesure activities in this city. Going forward I'm sure it could be archived if the people involved got roynd the table and were prepared to give way on certain issues. Yes there maybe issues with the pitch being not up to standard for the football that needs to be played. Is the pitch big enough for proffesional rugby to be played? At least look into the idea before dismissing it completely. Both clubs deserve to be on better financial positions. Seems Mr parkins idea to merge both cty and the bulls wasn't far off the mark????. Watch this space[/p][/quote]And what is your guide dog called ?[/p][/quote]How do you mean? I've given my oppinion as a,season tkt holder at bradford cty. At least if you don't agree , come on and give me a reason why? Instead of talking in riddles? prince35
  • Score: 0

8:10am Fri 27 Apr 12

Adeybull says...

Marco Polio wrote:
To those saying City should move to Odsal. They can't get out of their leash on VP, so the only option is for Bulls to move to VP. Also the land Odsal stands on is better for development, with its transport links etc. so wouldn't be a total money waste for RFL.
And the Bulls are party to a long lease with the RFL (was the Council), that THEY can't get out of. AND they have to pay well over £1m back to the council if they ever DO leave Odsal. And the RFL is bound by similar terms to those the Bulls were - they cannot just develop the site for non-RL purposes.
.
So, it is NOT the only option. BOTH clubs are constrained in what course of action are open to them.
[quote][p][bold]Marco Polio[/bold] wrote: To those saying City should move to Odsal. They can't get out of their leash on VP, so the only option is for Bulls to move to VP. Also the land Odsal stands on is better for development, with its transport links etc. so wouldn't be a total money waste for RFL.[/p][/quote]And the Bulls are party to a long lease with the RFL (was the Council), that THEY can't get out of. AND they have to pay well over £1m back to the council if they ever DO leave Odsal. And the RFL is bound by similar terms to those the Bulls were - they cannot just develop the site for non-RL purposes. . So, it is NOT the only option. BOTH clubs are constrained in what course of action are open to them. Adeybull
  • Score: 0

8:10am Fri 27 Apr 12

gspot01 says...

How come nobosy has suggested this before???
.
Have i jusy read people saying Odsal is a excellent stadium?? It's a whole in the ground with some concrete steps going up to ground level. I can't understand what Bulls fans have against VP. Yeah it's not in the best area but when I go watch City I simply park me car and go watch the match - so why does the surrounding area become an issue?
How come nobosy has suggested this before??? . Have i jusy read people saying Odsal is a excellent stadium?? It's a whole in the ground with some concrete steps going up to ground level. I can't understand what Bulls fans have against VP. Yeah it's not in the best area but when I go watch City I simply park me car and go watch the match - so why does the surrounding area become an issue? gspot01
  • Score: 0

8:12am Fri 27 Apr 12

webess says...

Common sense doesn't say the Bulls and Bantams should ground share - it says they MUST ground share.
Common sense doesn't say the Bulls and Bantams should ground share - it says they MUST ground share. webess
  • Score: 0

8:14am Fri 27 Apr 12

Adeybull says...

Attention-seeking otherwise-invisible politician in "jumping on bandwagon if can sense any political advantage" shocker.
.
Do people really expect anything else? At least this guy puts forward reasoned - if perhaps flawed - arguments, unlike the dishonourable member for Bradford South.
Attention-seeking otherwise-invisible politician in "jumping on bandwagon if can sense any political advantage" shocker. . Do people really expect anything else? At least this guy puts forward reasoned - if perhaps flawed - arguments, unlike the dishonourable member for Bradford South. Adeybull
  • Score: 0

8:17am Fri 27 Apr 12

Craig says...

It's all well and good talking about the Bulls moving to Odsal but the same arguments apply to the Bulls as to City. Odsal is the spiritual home and the Bulls fans would want to move to VP as much as City fans would want to move to Odsal.

*
I'm a season ticket holder at both so don't go abusing me one way or the other, but one critical factor is that if the Bulls moved to Odsal, the fans would disappear in their droves and potentially make the club just as unviable as they seem to be at the moment. That would also negatively impact on any deal to share VP as the Bulls could potentially only be generating revenue based against 6-7,000 fans, which would barely cover their operating costs on match days. That would also not be enough to satisfy part of the licensing criteria imposed on clubs by the RFL.

*
I also have to say that saddling both clubs with the debt City have to their landlord is bordering on suicidal. If there is any foundation to the claim that the Bulls would be on an even keel with another £500,000 of investment, they would be far better going forward at Odsal whilst trying to secure that investment than saddling themselves with a debt that isn't theirs in the first place.

*
Personally, I would be happy with a groundshare, being a fan of both clubs and seeing the merits of both venues, but that option could potentially be the death knell of at least one club and possibly both if it were to happen at either of the current grounds.
It's all well and good talking about the Bulls moving to Odsal but the same arguments apply to the Bulls as to City. Odsal is the spiritual home and the Bulls fans would want to move to VP as much as City fans would want to move to Odsal. * I'm a season ticket holder at both so don't go abusing me one way or the other, but one critical factor is that if the Bulls moved to Odsal, the fans would disappear in their droves and potentially make the club just as unviable as they seem to be at the moment. That would also negatively impact on any deal to share VP as the Bulls could potentially only be generating revenue based against 6-7,000 fans, which would barely cover their operating costs on match days. That would also not be enough to satisfy part of the licensing criteria imposed on clubs by the RFL. * I also have to say that saddling both clubs with the debt City have to their landlord is bordering on suicidal. If there is any foundation to the claim that the Bulls would be on an even keel with another £500,000 of investment, they would be far better going forward at Odsal whilst trying to secure that investment than saddling themselves with a debt that isn't theirs in the first place. * Personally, I would be happy with a groundshare, being a fan of both clubs and seeing the merits of both venues, but that option could potentially be the death knell of at least one club and possibly both if it were to happen at either of the current grounds. Craig
  • Score: 0

8:20am Fri 27 Apr 12

AdeyG'man says...

Snore! Same old story. What the Village and Bantams need is some council support do once not bury heads in the sand and roll out when one of the clubs hits crisis. VP's pitch is too small for RL and Odsal needs development. Odsal site, odsal pitch, VP stadium. But council are too busy building fountains!
Snore! Same old story. What the Village and Bantams need is some council support do once not bury heads in the sand and roll out when one of the clubs hits crisis. VP's pitch is too small for RL and Odsal needs development. Odsal site, odsal pitch, VP stadium. But council are too busy building fountains! AdeyG'man
  • Score: 0

8:21am Fri 27 Apr 12

IDLEBULL says...

I've been a bulls fan for a fair few years, have had some fantastic memories or some cracking rugby games, but Odsal is a dump. When you look at some ot the other stadia in super league our facilities are an embarrassment. It's time to move on and VP looks like the only option at the minute.
I've been a bulls fan for a fair few years, have had some fantastic memories or some cracking rugby games, but Odsal is a dump. When you look at some ot the other stadia in super league our facilities are an embarrassment. It's time to move on and VP looks like the only option at the minute. IDLEBULL
  • Score: 0

8:23am Fri 27 Apr 12

Mick Gledhill says...

Laney1989 wrote:
"Music to my ears"
Been saying it for years but the stubborn "old-guard" at Odsal will NEVER allow it.
I'm sorry Christopher but why don't the 'stubborn Bradford City supporters' agree to share Odsal?

Valley Parade is simply an financial embarrassment that is slowly but surly eating away at Bradford City.
[quote][p][bold]Laney1989[/bold] wrote: "Music to my ears" Been saying it for years but the stubborn "old-guard" at Odsal will NEVER allow it.[/p][/quote]I'm sorry Christopher but why don't the 'stubborn Bradford City supporters' agree to share Odsal? Valley Parade is simply an financial embarrassment that is slowly but surly eating away at Bradford City. Mick Gledhill
  • Score: 0

8:25am Fri 27 Apr 12

I can see clearly now... says...

claytonbantam wrote:
And also city are not the ones with the massive debts appealing to anybody and everybody to part with their cash. As horrible as it sounds it makes me laugh at all the bulls fans laughing at us when moving to odsal was a possibility at the end of last season. I personally would not want them down here during the football season especially if we have a successful season and then the pitch is ruined
I've been a season ticket holder at both the Bulls and City in the past (but no longer live in the area before anyone has a dig) and it breaks my heart to see the state of both of the city's professional clubs. To me, there are already a number of examples of football and rugby clubs sharing the same pitch and neither seem to be adversely impacted by the other. Look at HTFC's record before sacking their manager and that was with sharing the Gaypharm with the Giants. The arguement concerning damage to the pitch just doesn't hold water. Grounds are much better prepared and looked after and the grass is much hardier these days.
[quote][p][bold]claytonbantam[/bold] wrote: And also city are not the ones with the massive debts appealing to anybody and everybody to part with their cash. As horrible as it sounds it makes me laugh at all the bulls fans laughing at us when moving to odsal was a possibility at the end of last season. I personally would not want them down here during the football season especially if we have a successful season and then the pitch is ruined[/p][/quote]I've been a season ticket holder at both the Bulls and City in the past (but no longer live in the area before anyone has a dig) and it breaks my heart to see the state of both of the city's professional clubs. To me, there are already a number of examples of football and rugby clubs sharing the same pitch and neither seem to be adversely impacted by the other. Look at HTFC's record before sacking their manager and that was with sharing the Gaypharm with the Giants. The arguement concerning damage to the pitch just doesn't hold water. Grounds are much better prepared and looked after and the grass is much hardier these days. I can see clearly now...
  • Score: 0

8:28am Fri 27 Apr 12

ricky76 says...

All though I see both sides of the arguement the truth is both clubs are or have been in serious money troubles in the past the only option is to ground share it works for the likes of huddersfield and wigan to name just two. VP would be the better option and I still believe it can be turned into a 36000 seater stadium which was approved in the Richmond era although it would need to be passed by the council again. Surely that is the best option for both clubs to survive long term
All though I see both sides of the arguement the truth is both clubs are or have been in serious money troubles in the past the only option is to ground share it works for the likes of huddersfield and wigan to name just two. VP would be the better option and I still believe it can be turned into a 36000 seater stadium which was approved in the Richmond era although it would need to be passed by the council again. Surely that is the best option for both clubs to survive long term ricky76
  • Score: 0

8:35am Fri 27 Apr 12

A650 says...

The Bulls couldn't afford to go to VP even if they wanted to. Ward should know this as the Bulls are contracted by the Council to stay there until 2019 or pay back millions of pounds of compensation.
The Bulls couldn't afford to go to VP even if they wanted to. Ward should know this as the Bulls are contracted by the Council to stay there until 2019 or pay back millions of pounds of compensation. A650
  • Score: 0

8:37am Fri 27 Apr 12

Mick Gledhill says...

Adeybull wrote:
Attention-seeking otherwise-invisible politician in "jumping on bandwagon if can sense any political advantage" shocker.
.
Do people really expect anything else? At least this guy puts forward reasoned - if perhaps flawed - arguments, unlike the dishonourable member for Bradford South.
This
[quote][p][bold]Adeybull[/bold] wrote: Attention-seeking otherwise-invisible politician in "jumping on bandwagon if can sense any political advantage" shocker. . Do people really expect anything else? At least this guy puts forward reasoned - if perhaps flawed - arguments, unlike the dishonourable member for Bradford South.[/p][/quote]This Mick Gledhill
  • Score: 0

8:37am Fri 27 Apr 12

Hudzilla says...

What a great MP.

Doesnt know that the RFL bought the lease from the Council, and now own Odsal.

The RFL would never allow the Bulls to do this, and the Bulls would not want to do this anyway.

Do your research before you start sticking your nose in Mr MP.
What a great MP. Doesnt know that the RFL bought the lease from the Council, and now own Odsal. The RFL would never allow the Bulls to do this, and the Bulls would not want to do this anyway. Do your research before you start sticking your nose in Mr MP. Hudzilla
  • Score: 0

8:40am Fri 27 Apr 12

Prisoner Cell Block A says...

#prayforthesurface
#prayforthesurface Prisoner Cell Block A
  • Score: 0

8:43am Fri 27 Apr 12

Laney1989 says...

caribouk wrote:
Surely ground sharing at Odsal would be better? Valley Parade is not the best place to get to and from and has no potential for further development, whereas Odsal has great transport links and could easily be developed to provide additional income streams.

Can't see what its got to do with this fella though!
10,000 Bradford City supporters manage to get away to and from the ground with ease every other week?!
Any other excuses you'd like to come up with?
[quote][p][bold]caribouk[/bold] wrote: Surely ground sharing at Odsal would be better? Valley Parade is not the best place to get to and from and has no potential for further development, whereas Odsal has great transport links and could easily be developed to provide additional income streams. Can't see what its got to do with this fella though![/p][/quote]10,000 Bradford City supporters manage to get away to and from the ground with ease every other week?! Any other excuses you'd like to come up with? Laney1989
  • Score: 0

8:48am Fri 27 Apr 12

graham smith says...

A large stadium in a city centre causes major problems for supporters.
Access to parking is limited and also the clash of shoppers and supporters will always be an issue, the policing of games will also become a cost to the city and ultimately the clubs.
The road systems around city’s ground are inadequate witch will also cause a problem for supporters and other users of the city centre.
We know this from the 2 seasons we spent at Valley Parade.
I feel that it’s time that ALL of Bradford’s politicians sat down and got the 2 club’s together to take us all forward to sustain sport in the city for another 100 years, after all if anyone thinks that sport is irrelevant look at what is happening in London this year.
COM’ON YOU BULLS
A large stadium in a city centre causes major problems for supporters. Access to parking is limited and also the clash of shoppers and supporters will always be an issue, the policing of games will also become a cost to the city and ultimately the clubs. The road systems around city’s ground are inadequate witch will also cause a problem for supporters and other users of the city centre. We know this from the 2 seasons we spent at Valley Parade. I feel that it’s time that ALL of Bradford’s politicians sat down and got the 2 club’s together to take us all forward to sustain sport in the city for another 100 years, after all if anyone thinks that sport is irrelevant look at what is happening in London this year. COM’ON YOU BULLS graham smith
  • Score: 0

8:52am Fri 27 Apr 12

Mumby was the best says...

Mick Gledhill wrote:
Laney1989 wrote:
"Music to my ears"
Been saying it for years but the stubborn "old-guard" at Odsal will NEVER allow it.
I'm sorry Christopher but why don't the 'stubborn Bradford City supporters' agree to share Odsal?

Valley Parade is simply an financial embarrassment that is slowly but surly eating away at Bradford City.
It`s obvious that both clubs are tied down by leases they would find extremely costly to get out of, this MP is only try to raise his profile.
Maybe in a perfect world both clubs could get out of the leases and join together and build a perfect dual purpose stadium like Hulls, Huddersfields and Wigans
[quote][p][bold]Mick Gledhill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Laney1989[/bold] wrote: "Music to my ears" Been saying it for years but the stubborn "old-guard" at Odsal will NEVER allow it.[/p][/quote]I'm sorry Christopher but why don't the 'stubborn Bradford City supporters' agree to share Odsal? Valley Parade is simply an financial embarrassment that is slowly but surly eating away at Bradford City.[/p][/quote]It`s obvious that both clubs are tied down by leases they would find extremely costly to get out of, this MP is only try to raise his profile. Maybe in a perfect world both clubs could get out of the leases and join together and build a perfect dual purpose stadium like Hulls, Huddersfields and Wigans Mumby was the best
  • Score: 0

8:53am Fri 27 Apr 12

Freddy says...

At the moment "The Bulls" are not playing well. Perhaps it is just a poor Season. But I wonder what could happen if their fortunes became worse,as could Citys'.
At the moment "The Bulls" are not playing well. Perhaps it is just a poor Season. But I wonder what could happen if their fortunes became worse,as could Citys'. Freddy
  • Score: 0

8:54am Fri 27 Apr 12

Mick Gledhill says...

Laney1989 wrote:
caribouk wrote:
Surely ground sharing at Odsal would be better? Valley Parade is not the best place to get to and from and has no potential for further development, whereas Odsal has great transport links and could easily be developed to provide additional income streams.

Can't see what its got to do with this fella though!
10,000 Bradford City supporters manage to get away to and from the ground with ease every other week?!
Any other excuses you'd like to come up with?
You fail to mention the needless criminal damage caused by the locals to Bradford Bulls and opposition supporters vehicles.
[quote][p][bold]Laney1989[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]caribouk[/bold] wrote: Surely ground sharing at Odsal would be better? Valley Parade is not the best place to get to and from and has no potential for further development, whereas Odsal has great transport links and could easily be developed to provide additional income streams. Can't see what its got to do with this fella though![/p][/quote]10,000 Bradford City supporters manage to get away to and from the ground with ease every other week?! Any other excuses you'd like to come up with?[/p][/quote]You fail to mention the needless criminal damage caused by the locals to Bradford Bulls and opposition supporters vehicles. Mick Gledhill
  • Score: 0

8:57am Fri 27 Apr 12

Laney1989 says...

Mick Gledhill wrote:
Laney1989 wrote:
"Music to my ears"
Been saying it for years but the stubborn "old-guard" at Odsal will NEVER allow it.
I'm sorry Christopher but why don't the 'stubborn Bradford City supporters' agree to share Odsal?

Valley Parade is simply an financial embarrassment that is slowly but surly eating away at Bradford City.
Errrr...Because our ground isn't falling to pieces Mick?!

Whatever the financial position of BCAFC this has got nothing to do with Bradford Bulls moving to VP.

I know it's hard for the "old-guard" to understand but Odsal isn't going to get any better, it's going to get worse. Even you must agree with this.

Bloody hell even Wakefield's ground is nearly on a par with Odsal who'd of thought that a few years ago?

FAO BirkyBull - Keep your racists comments elsewhere please.
I know it's hard to get through to your thick skull but VP IS the only way forward.
If you've actually bothered to listen to what has been said in the past instead of "jumping on the bandwagon" you'd know that if Bradford Bulls were to move to VP steps would be put in place to make sure that the VP is big enough for RL use.
This includes taking out the front rows of the Kop.
Take your ignorance elsewhere moron.
[quote][p][bold]Mick Gledhill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Laney1989[/bold] wrote: "Music to my ears" Been saying it for years but the stubborn "old-guard" at Odsal will NEVER allow it.[/p][/quote]I'm sorry Christopher but why don't the 'stubborn Bradford City supporters' agree to share Odsal? Valley Parade is simply an financial embarrassment that is slowly but surly eating away at Bradford City.[/p][/quote]Errrr...Because our ground isn't falling to pieces Mick?! Whatever the financial position of BCAFC this has got nothing to do with Bradford Bulls moving to VP. I know it's hard for the "old-guard" to understand but Odsal isn't going to get any better, it's going to get worse. Even you must agree with this. Bloody hell even Wakefield's ground is nearly on a par with Odsal who'd of thought that a few years ago? FAO BirkyBull - Keep your racists comments elsewhere please. I know it's hard to get through to your thick skull but VP IS the only way forward. If you've actually bothered to listen to what has been said in the past instead of "jumping on the bandwagon" you'd know that if Bradford Bulls were to move to VP steps would be put in place to make sure that the VP is big enough for RL use. This includes taking out the front rows of the Kop. Take your ignorance elsewhere moron. Laney1989
  • Score: 0

8:57am Fri 27 Apr 12

raisemeup says...

Not sure what side you take on this Mr Ward, are you using your arguement to help regenerate Manningham? Or is it because you care what happens to City and/or the Bulls? The basic problems that best VP are never going to go away. The ground is in a densley populated city area with poor facilities for parking and the danger of criminal activity is always apparent..maybe you should have suggested the move being in the opposite direction, to best potential Stadium in the whole City of Bradford.
Over to you Mr Ward.
Not sure what side you take on this Mr Ward, are you using your arguement to help regenerate Manningham? Or is it because you care what happens to City and/or the Bulls? The basic problems that best VP are never going to go away. The ground is in a densley populated city area with poor facilities for parking and the danger of criminal activity is always apparent..maybe you should have suggested the move being in the opposite direction, to best potential Stadium in the whole City of Bradford. Over to you Mr Ward. raisemeup
  • Score: 0

8:59am Fri 27 Apr 12

Laney1989 says...

graham smith wrote:
A large stadium in a city centre causes major problems for supporters.
Access to parking is limited and also the clash of shoppers and supporters will always be an issue, the policing of games will also become a cost to the city and ultimately the clubs.
The road systems around city’s ground are inadequate witch will also cause a problem for supporters and other users of the city centre.
We know this from the 2 seasons we spent at Valley Parade.
I feel that it’s time that ALL of Bradford’s politicians sat down and got the 2 club’s together to take us all forward to sustain sport in the city for another 100 years, after all if anyone thinks that sport is irrelevant look at what is happening in London this year.
COM’ON YOU BULLS
Last time I checked VP wasn't in the City Centre?!
Might be wrong though...but the 19 years I've spent attending VP might tell me I'm right?

This "argument" makes me laugh...Parking?
How can 10,000+ manage to park OK and get away from VP without any problems?!
[quote][p][bold]graham smith[/bold] wrote: A large stadium in a city centre causes major problems for supporters. Access to parking is limited and also the clash of shoppers and supporters will always be an issue, the policing of games will also become a cost to the city and ultimately the clubs. The road systems around city’s ground are inadequate witch will also cause a problem for supporters and other users of the city centre. We know this from the 2 seasons we spent at Valley Parade. I feel that it’s time that ALL of Bradford’s politicians sat down and got the 2 club’s together to take us all forward to sustain sport in the city for another 100 years, after all if anyone thinks that sport is irrelevant look at what is happening in London this year. COM’ON YOU BULLS[/p][/quote]Last time I checked VP wasn't in the City Centre?! Might be wrong though...but the 19 years I've spent attending VP might tell me I'm right? This "argument" makes me laugh...Parking? How can 10,000+ manage to park OK and get away from VP without any problems?! Laney1989
  • Score: 0

9:00am Fri 27 Apr 12

jagzter says...

City don't own the ground they dont own the stands they rent the seats. They can't afford the rent so what he is saying is Bulls come and relieve some of Citys debts and ease their burden. The RFL own Odsal lease Bulls just pay rent so surely the RFL have to pay for the ground upkeep now so where is the black hole we are pumping money into.
I don't see where the benefit to Bulls is here just one for City.
Odsal would not be an embarassment if fatty Prescott and his labour party cronies had not blocked the Tesco redevelopment. Labour supporting the working mans game there!
City don't own the ground they dont own the stands they rent the seats. They can't afford the rent so what he is saying is Bulls come and relieve some of Citys debts and ease their burden. The RFL own Odsal lease Bulls just pay rent so surely the RFL have to pay for the ground upkeep now so where is the black hole we are pumping money into. I don't see where the benefit to Bulls is here just one for City. Odsal would not be an embarassment if fatty Prescott and his labour party cronies had not blocked the Tesco redevelopment. Labour supporting the working mans game there! jagzter
  • Score: 0

9:01am Fri 27 Apr 12

Mick Gledhill says...

Mumby was the best wrote:
Mick Gledhill wrote:
Laney1989 wrote:
"Music to my ears"
Been saying it for years but the stubborn "old-guard" at Odsal will NEVER allow it.
I'm sorry Christopher but why don't the 'stubborn Bradford City supporters' agree to share Odsal?

Valley Parade is simply an financial embarrassment that is slowly but surly eating away at Bradford City.
It`s obvious that both clubs are tied down by leases they would find extremely costly to get out of, this MP is only try to raise his profile.
Maybe in a perfect world both clubs could get out of the leases and join together and build a perfect dual purpose stadium like Hulls, Huddersfields and Wigans
Is the perfect answer 'Mumby Was The Best'

The only way forward in my eyes for both clubs is to follow the examples of Huddersfield & Wigan.

Thereby the Bulls and City both leaving their spiritual homes for an out of town dual purpose/use stadium.

But unfortunately it won't happen in my lifetime, certainly not while we have a far from open and transparent a council.

Who's only real agenda is to squander the tax payers money on farcical developments such as the £20,000,000 plus City Hall lake.
[quote][p][bold]Mumby was the best[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mick Gledhill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Laney1989[/bold] wrote: "Music to my ears" Been saying it for years but the stubborn "old-guard" at Odsal will NEVER allow it.[/p][/quote]I'm sorry Christopher but why don't the 'stubborn Bradford City supporters' agree to share Odsal? Valley Parade is simply an financial embarrassment that is slowly but surly eating away at Bradford City.[/p][/quote]It`s obvious that both clubs are tied down by leases they would find extremely costly to get out of, this MP is only try to raise his profile. Maybe in a perfect world both clubs could get out of the leases and join together and build a perfect dual purpose stadium like Hulls, Huddersfields and Wigans[/p][/quote]Is the perfect answer 'Mumby Was The Best' The only way forward in my eyes for both clubs is to follow the examples of Huddersfield & Wigan. Thereby the Bulls and City both leaving their spiritual homes for an out of town dual purpose/use stadium. But unfortunately it won't happen in my lifetime, certainly not while we have a far from open and transparent a council. Who's only real agenda is to squander the tax payers money on farcical developments such as the £20,000,000 plus City Hall lake. Mick Gledhill
  • Score: 0

9:04am Fri 27 Apr 12

helloodsal says...

caribouk wrote:
Surely ground sharing at Odsal would be better? Valley Parade is not the best place to get to and from and has no potential for further development, whereas Odsal has great transport links and could easily be developed to provide additional income streams. Can't see what its got to do with this fella though!
since when does odsal have better transport links than valley parade? fair enough its next to the motorway but valley parade has a train link, numerous bus links to the city centre and its sandwiched between two main roads in and out of the city.
[quote][p][bold]caribouk[/bold] wrote: Surely ground sharing at Odsal would be better? Valley Parade is not the best place to get to and from and has no potential for further development, whereas Odsal has great transport links and could easily be developed to provide additional income streams. Can't see what its got to do with this fella though![/p][/quote]since when does odsal have better transport links than valley parade? fair enough its next to the motorway but valley parade has a train link, numerous bus links to the city centre and its sandwiched between two main roads in and out of the city. helloodsal
  • Score: 0

9:04am Fri 27 Apr 12

claretstripe says...

I'ts the city pitch (which is not thebest come winter any way) and the standard of the football played on it that will suffer.
I'ts the city pitch (which is not thebest come winter any way) and the standard of the football played on it that will suffer. claretstripe
  • Score: 0

9:06am Fri 27 Apr 12

MeccaBingo1 says...

Never going to happen, end of story. Bulls problems compared with what City are facing is trivial.
Never going to happen, end of story. Bulls problems compared with what City are facing is trivial. MeccaBingo1
  • Score: 0

9:07am Fri 27 Apr 12

Laney1989 says...

Mick - For once I agree!
It's the only way forward even if it's to stop this bickering.
BUT like you say it'll NEVER happen.

The Council are too bothered about creating "pretty" water features.
Mick - For once I agree! It's the only way forward even if it's to stop this bickering. BUT like you say it'll NEVER happen. The Council are too bothered about creating "pretty" water features. Laney1989
  • Score: 0

9:09am Fri 27 Apr 12

Adeybull says...

Freddy wrote:
At the moment "The Bulls" are not playing well. Perhaps it is just a poor Season. But I wonder what could happen if their fortunes became worse,as could Citys'.
Wrong.
.
Bulls are playing better than at any time in the last five seasons. Despite a crippling injury list. The performances on the field look to have turned, that is the tragedy of all this.
[quote][p][bold]Freddy[/bold] wrote: At the moment "The Bulls" are not playing well. Perhaps it is just a poor Season. But I wonder what could happen if their fortunes became worse,as could Citys'.[/p][/quote]Wrong. . Bulls are playing better than at any time in the last five seasons. Despite a crippling injury list. The performances on the field look to have turned, that is the tragedy of all this. Adeybull
  • Score: 0

9:09am Fri 27 Apr 12

Mumby was the best says...

helloodsal wrote:
caribouk wrote:
Surely ground sharing at Odsal would be better? Valley Parade is not the best place to get to and from and has no potential for further development, whereas Odsal has great transport links and could easily be developed to provide additional income streams. Can't see what its got to do with this fella though!
since when does odsal have better transport links than valley parade? fair enough its next to the motorway but valley parade has a train link, numerous bus links to the city centre and its sandwiched between two main roads in and out of the city.
Surely groundsharing can only work in a purpose built stadium with a playing surface designed for the two contrasting sports.
Also it would do away with the spiritual home(s) scenario.
But I can dream on.
[quote][p][bold]helloodsal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]caribouk[/bold] wrote: Surely ground sharing at Odsal would be better? Valley Parade is not the best place to get to and from and has no potential for further development, whereas Odsal has great transport links and could easily be developed to provide additional income streams. Can't see what its got to do with this fella though![/p][/quote]since when does odsal have better transport links than valley parade? fair enough its next to the motorway but valley parade has a train link, numerous bus links to the city centre and its sandwiched between two main roads in and out of the city.[/p][/quote]Surely groundsharing can only work in a purpose built stadium with a playing surface designed for the two contrasting sports. Also it would do away with the spiritual home(s) scenario. But I can dream on. Mumby was the best
  • Score: 0

9:23am Fri 27 Apr 12

Mick Gledhill says...

Laney1989 wrote:
Mick Gledhill wrote:
Laney1989 wrote:
"Music to my ears"
Been saying it for years but the stubborn "old-guard" at Odsal will NEVER allow it.
I'm sorry Christopher but why don't the 'stubborn Bradford City supporters' agree to share Odsal?

Valley Parade is simply an financial embarrassment that is slowly but surly eating away at Bradford City.
Errrr...Because our ground isn't falling to pieces Mick?!

Whatever the financial position of BCAFC this has got nothing to do with Bradford Bulls moving to VP.

I know it's hard for the "old-guard" to understand but Odsal isn't going to get any better, it's going to get worse. Even you must agree with this.

Bloody hell even Wakefield's ground is nearly on a par with Odsal who'd of thought that a few years ago?

FAO BirkyBull - Keep your racists comments elsewhere please.
I know it's hard to get through to your thick skull but VP IS the only way forward.
If you've actually bothered to listen to what has been said in the past instead of "jumping on the bandwagon" you'd know that if Bradford Bulls were to move to VP steps would be put in place to make sure that the VP is big enough for RL use.
This includes taking out the front rows of the Kop.
Take your ignorance elsewhere moron.
I don't understand how you can claim that Odsal is failing to pieces?

Yes it's a known fact that Odsal is in the lower half of the Super League facility stakes, but what it does provide is adequate covered seating (5,600) and it also has some of the best hospitality facilities in Rugby League (the Coral Stand).

Not to mention it's absolutely prime geographical & logistical position with the M606 just literally a minutes drive away.

But for all the above positives we know the obvious glaring negative "the lack of cover over the 19,000 capacity terracing".

Which has been detrimental to the Bulls revenue streams since the old popular side stand was demolished in the Eighties.
[quote][p][bold]Laney1989[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mick Gledhill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Laney1989[/bold] wrote: "Music to my ears" Been saying it for years but the stubborn "old-guard" at Odsal will NEVER allow it.[/p][/quote]I'm sorry Christopher but why don't the 'stubborn Bradford City supporters' agree to share Odsal? Valley Parade is simply an financial embarrassment that is slowly but surly eating away at Bradford City.[/p][/quote]Errrr...Because our ground isn't falling to pieces Mick?! Whatever the financial position of BCAFC this has got nothing to do with Bradford Bulls moving to VP. I know it's hard for the "old-guard" to understand but Odsal isn't going to get any better, it's going to get worse. Even you must agree with this. Bloody hell even Wakefield's ground is nearly on a par with Odsal who'd of thought that a few years ago? FAO BirkyBull - Keep your racists comments elsewhere please. I know it's hard to get through to your thick skull but VP IS the only way forward. If you've actually bothered to listen to what has been said in the past instead of "jumping on the bandwagon" you'd know that if Bradford Bulls were to move to VP steps would be put in place to make sure that the VP is big enough for RL use. This includes taking out the front rows of the Kop. Take your ignorance elsewhere moron.[/p][/quote]I don't understand how you can claim that Odsal is failing to pieces? Yes it's a known fact that Odsal is in the lower half of the Super League facility stakes, but what it does provide is adequate covered seating (5,600) and it also has some of the best hospitality facilities in Rugby League (the Coral Stand). Not to mention it's absolutely prime geographical & logistical position with the M606 just literally a minutes drive away. But for all the above positives we know the obvious glaring negative "the lack of cover over the 19,000 capacity terracing". Which has been detrimental to the Bulls revenue streams since the old popular side stand was demolished in the Eighties. Mick Gledhill
  • Score: 0

9:24am Fri 27 Apr 12

Mick Gledhill says...

Laney1989 wrote:
Mick Gledhill wrote:
Laney1989 wrote:
"Music to my ears"
Been saying it for years but the stubborn "old-guard" at Odsal will NEVER allow it.
I'm sorry Christopher but why don't the 'stubborn Bradford City supporters' agree to share Odsal?

Valley Parade is simply an financial embarrassment that is slowly but surly eating away at Bradford City.
Errrr...Because our ground isn't falling to pieces Mick?!

Whatever the financial position of BCAFC this has got nothing to do with Bradford Bulls moving to VP.

I know it's hard for the "old-guard" to understand but Odsal isn't going to get any better, it's going to get worse. Even you must agree with this.

Bloody hell even Wakefield's ground is nearly on a par with Odsal who'd of thought that a few years ago?

FAO BirkyBull - Keep your racists comments elsewhere please.
I know it's hard to get through to your thick skull but VP IS the only way forward.
If you've actually bothered to listen to what has been said in the past instead of "jumping on the bandwagon" you'd know that if Bradford Bulls were to move to VP steps would be put in place to make sure that the VP is big enough for RL use.
This includes taking out the front rows of the Kop.
Take your ignorance elsewhere moron.
I don't understand how you can claim that Odsal is failing to pieces?

Yes it's a known fact that Odsal is in the lower half of the Super League facility stakes, but what it does provide is adequate covered seating (5,600) and it also has some of the best hospitality facilities in Rugby League (the Coral Stand).

Not to mention it's absolutely prime geographical & logistical position with the M606 just literally a minutes drive away.

But for all the above positives we know the obvious glaring negative "the lack of cover over the 19,000 capacity terracing".

Which has been detrimental to the Bulls revenue streams since the old popular side stand was demolished in the Eighties.
[quote][p][bold]Laney1989[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mick Gledhill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Laney1989[/bold] wrote: "Music to my ears" Been saying it for years but the stubborn "old-guard" at Odsal will NEVER allow it.[/p][/quote]I'm sorry Christopher but why don't the 'stubborn Bradford City supporters' agree to share Odsal? Valley Parade is simply an financial embarrassment that is slowly but surly eating away at Bradford City.[/p][/quote]Errrr...Because our ground isn't falling to pieces Mick?! Whatever the financial position of BCAFC this has got nothing to do with Bradford Bulls moving to VP. I know it's hard for the "old-guard" to understand but Odsal isn't going to get any better, it's going to get worse. Even you must agree with this. Bloody hell even Wakefield's ground is nearly on a par with Odsal who'd of thought that a few years ago? FAO BirkyBull - Keep your racists comments elsewhere please. I know it's hard to get through to your thick skull but VP IS the only way forward. If you've actually bothered to listen to what has been said in the past instead of "jumping on the bandwagon" you'd know that if Bradford Bulls were to move to VP steps would be put in place to make sure that the VP is big enough for RL use. This includes taking out the front rows of the Kop. Take your ignorance elsewhere moron.[/p][/quote]I don't understand how you can claim that Odsal is failing to pieces? Yes it's a known fact that Odsal is in the lower half of the Super League facility stakes, but what it does provide is adequate covered seating (5,600) and it also has some of the best hospitality facilities in Rugby League (the Coral Stand). Not to mention it's absolutely prime geographical & logistical position with the M606 just literally a minutes drive away. But for all the above positives we know the obvious glaring negative "the lack of cover over the 19,000 capacity terracing". Which has been detrimental to the Bulls revenue streams since the old popular side stand was demolished in the Eighties. Mick Gledhill
  • Score: 0

9:32am Fri 27 Apr 12

Steam Pigs says...

Oh the irony...

Were City not on the verge of moving to Odsal last August??
Oh the irony... Were City not on the verge of moving to Odsal last August?? Steam Pigs
  • Score: 0

9:32am Fri 27 Apr 12

Steam Pigs says...

Oh the irony...

Were City not on the verge of moving to Odsal last August??
Oh the irony... Were City not on the verge of moving to Odsal last August?? Steam Pigs
  • Score: 0

9:32am Fri 27 Apr 12

Prisoner Cell Block A says...

Mick Gledhill wrote:
Laney1989 wrote:
"Music to my ears"
Been saying it for years but the stubborn "old-guard" at Odsal will NEVER allow it.
I'm sorry Christopher but why don't the 'stubborn Bradford City supporters' agree to share Odsal?

Valley Parade is simply an financial embarrassment that is slowly but surly eating away at Bradford City.
Maybe because we did cover our financial restraint last year by buying back one of the buildings, we aren't the ones that were dug out by the RFL and we haven't just gone to our fans cap in hand and asked for a million quid. And we don't want to play on a rubbish tip with miserbale horrible surrounding stands.

NEXT!
[quote][p][bold]Mick Gledhill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Laney1989[/bold] wrote: "Music to my ears" Been saying it for years but the stubborn "old-guard" at Odsal will NEVER allow it.[/p][/quote]I'm sorry Christopher but why don't the 'stubborn Bradford City supporters' agree to share Odsal? Valley Parade is simply an financial embarrassment that is slowly but surly eating away at Bradford City.[/p][/quote]Maybe because we did cover our financial restraint last year by buying back one of the buildings, we aren't the ones that were dug out by the RFL and we haven't just gone to our fans cap in hand and asked for a million quid. And we don't want to play on a rubbish tip with miserbale horrible surrounding stands. NEXT! Prisoner Cell Block A
  • Score: 0

9:35am Fri 27 Apr 12

Prisoner Cell Block A says...

Mick Gledhill wrote:
Laney1989 wrote:
caribouk wrote:
Surely ground sharing at Odsal would be better? Valley Parade is not the best place to get to and from and has no potential for further development, whereas Odsal has great transport links and could easily be developed to provide additional income streams.

Can't see what its got to do with this fella though!
10,000 Bradford City supporters manage to get away to and from the ground with ease every other week?!
Any other excuses you'd like to come up with?
You fail to mention the needless criminal damage caused by the locals to Bradford Bulls and opposition supporters vehicles.
I'd be doubly suree to move away from Odsal if that is what is happening, been going to City at VP man and boy since '72, neither my dad's car nor mine now has ever been touched in the surrounding area.

NEXT!
[quote][p][bold]Mick Gledhill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Laney1989[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]caribouk[/bold] wrote: Surely ground sharing at Odsal would be better? Valley Parade is not the best place to get to and from and has no potential for further development, whereas Odsal has great transport links and could easily be developed to provide additional income streams. Can't see what its got to do with this fella though![/p][/quote]10,000 Bradford City supporters manage to get away to and from the ground with ease every other week?! Any other excuses you'd like to come up with?[/p][/quote]You fail to mention the needless criminal damage caused by the locals to Bradford Bulls and opposition supporters vehicles.[/p][/quote]I'd be doubly suree to move away from Odsal if that is what is happening, been going to City at VP man and boy since '72, neither my dad's car nor mine now has ever been touched in the surrounding area. NEXT! Prisoner Cell Block A
  • Score: 0

9:36am Fri 27 Apr 12

cdorran says...

Doesnt Odsal have terraces? City wouldnt be able to move to a ground that have terraces (at least if they have any amition of getting promoted) because football stadiums at league 1 and above have to be all seater dont they? So for city to move to odsal they would need to change it into an all seater which would cost a fair bit wouldnt it? I also have some serious concerns about how the bulls are run, is the money that they are raising just going on paying bills or is it to guarantee the long term future of the club? I think that a ground share is probably for the best and unless Odsal can be developed a bit (which it counldnt given the bulls' money troubles) then VP would have to be the best option
Doesnt Odsal have terraces? City wouldnt be able to move to a ground that have terraces (at least if they have any amition of getting promoted) because football stadiums at league 1 and above have to be all seater dont they? So for city to move to odsal they would need to change it into an all seater which would cost a fair bit wouldnt it? I also have some serious concerns about how the bulls are run, is the money that they are raising just going on paying bills or is it to guarantee the long term future of the club? I think that a ground share is probably for the best and unless Odsal can be developed a bit (which it counldnt given the bulls' money troubles) then VP would have to be the best option cdorran
  • Score: 0

9:39am Fri 27 Apr 12

caledonia15 says...

Sorry its not for me, i spent 2 seasons at V.P. watching the Bulls wondering if my car had been damaged every time i went there. After every game i saw cars damaged, to me that area is becoming a No-Go area at night. Its quite simple, if the Bulls go there, i won't be.
Sorry its not for me, i spent 2 seasons at V.P. watching the Bulls wondering if my car had been damaged every time i went there. After every game i saw cars damaged, to me that area is becoming a No-Go area at night. Its quite simple, if the Bulls go there, i won't be. caledonia15
  • Score: 0

9:49am Fri 27 Apr 12

KangleFat says...

I wouldn't mind having a look at the rental figures and other overhead costs for running the stadiums which both clubs have obviously disclosed to him so that he could make his fact based opinions known.
I wouldn't mind having a look at the rental figures and other overhead costs for running the stadiums which both clubs have obviously disclosed to him so that he could make his fact based opinions known. KangleFat
  • Score: 0

9:55am Fri 27 Apr 12

hollymae says...

It ain't gonna happen, neither party can exit their respective leases without massive cost that they cannot afford...move on subject closed. As an aside the comments re Bulls affecting City's performance on the pitch are laughable.....it would help bring away teams down to Citys shocking level...surely a good thing to move them away from the football league doldrums!?
It ain't gonna happen, neither party can exit their respective leases without massive cost that they cannot afford...move on subject closed. As an aside the comments re Bulls affecting City's performance on the pitch are laughable.....it would help bring away teams down to Citys shocking level...surely a good thing to move them away from the football league doldrums!? hollymae
  • Score: 0

9:56am Fri 27 Apr 12

Laney1989 says...

caledonia15 wrote:
Sorry its not for me, i spent 2 seasons at V.P. watching the Bulls wondering if my car had been damaged every time i went there. After every game i saw cars damaged, to me that area is becoming a No-Go area at night. Its quite simple, if the Bulls go there, i won't be.
Where is the roll around on the floor smiley when you need it?!
What an unbelievable post.

Quite frankly I wouldn't expect anything less if I'm honest.

"A no go area at night"
Hmmm...19 years at VP don't think I've EVER had a problem on a Tuesday evening?!

Can I ask when you was last in that area?
[quote][p][bold]caledonia15[/bold] wrote: Sorry its not for me, i spent 2 seasons at V.P. watching the Bulls wondering if my car had been damaged every time i went there. After every game i saw cars damaged, to me that area is becoming a No-Go area at night. Its quite simple, if the Bulls go there, i won't be.[/p][/quote]Where is the roll around on the floor smiley when you need it?! What an unbelievable post. Quite frankly I wouldn't expect anything less if I'm honest. "A no go area at night" Hmmm...19 years at VP don't think I've EVER had a problem on a Tuesday evening?! Can I ask when you was last in that area? Laney1989
  • Score: 0

9:58am Fri 27 Apr 12

Sheffieldbull says...

It may be worth reminding ourselves that these wonderful views of ground sharing in glorious harmony could never happen due mainly to the fact that both clubs have substantial lease agreements for the considerable future. Both sets of supporters have loyalties to they respective 'homes' - both with very understandable reasons so lets leave the 'peeing competitions' for another times - Trophy counting competitions would be more interesting anyway ;-).
.
Get behind both clubs, turn out in numbers, and help both to prosper now and in the future.
It may be worth reminding ourselves that these wonderful views of ground sharing in glorious harmony could never happen due mainly to the fact that both clubs have substantial lease agreements for the considerable future. Both sets of supporters have loyalties to they respective 'homes' - both with very understandable reasons so lets leave the 'peeing competitions' for another times - Trophy counting competitions would be more interesting anyway ;-). . Get behind both clubs, turn out in numbers, and help both to prosper now and in the future. Sheffieldbull
  • Score: 0

9:58am Fri 27 Apr 12

Laney1989 says...

Criticism which was rightly put forward as well after what the Council has done to help the Bulls out in the past.
Criticism which was rightly put forward as well after what the Council has done to help the Bulls out in the past. Laney1989
  • Score: 0

10:02am Fri 27 Apr 12

Mumby was the best says...

KangleFat wrote:
I wouldn't mind having a look at the rental figures and other overhead costs for running the stadiums which both clubs have obviously disclosed to him so that he could make his fact based opinions known.
You say FACT based opinion!!!
You are expecting an MP to use FACTS where have you been all your life? MP`s are not to be trusted they only look after themselves and muddy the water to their advantage.
[quote][p][bold]KangleFat[/bold] wrote: I wouldn't mind having a look at the rental figures and other overhead costs for running the stadiums which both clubs have obviously disclosed to him so that he could make his fact based opinions known.[/p][/quote]You say FACT based opinion!!! You are expecting an MP to use FACTS where have you been all your life? MP`s are not to be trusted they only look after themselves and muddy the water to their advantage. Mumby was the best
  • Score: 0

10:02am Fri 27 Apr 12

adamski90 says...

caribouk wrote:
Surely ground sharing at Odsal would be better? Valley Parade is not the best place to get to and from and has no potential for further development, whereas Odsal has great transport links and could easily be developed to provide additional income streams.

Can't see what its got to do with this fella though!
no doubt youre a rugby fan?
theres no way the fans of city would put up with going to odsal. transport links? its a 5 minute walk from foster square or you can get a off a bus right out side it.
or get a taxi from town for 3 quid if you are that desperate.
[quote][p][bold]caribouk[/bold] wrote: Surely ground sharing at Odsal would be better? Valley Parade is not the best place to get to and from and has no potential for further development, whereas Odsal has great transport links and could easily be developed to provide additional income streams. Can't see what its got to do with this fella though![/p][/quote]no doubt youre a rugby fan? theres no way the fans of city would put up with going to odsal. transport links? its a 5 minute walk from foster square or you can get a off a bus right out side it. or get a taxi from town for 3 quid if you are that desperate. adamski90
  • Score: 0

10:06am Fri 27 Apr 12

Mumby was the best says...

Sheffieldbull wrote:
It may be worth reminding ourselves that these wonderful views of ground sharing in glorious harmony could never happen due mainly to the fact that both clubs have substantial lease agreements for the considerable future. Both sets of supporters have loyalties to they respective 'homes' - both with very understandable reasons so lets leave the 'peeing competitions' for another times - Trophy counting competitions would be more interesting anyway ;-).
.
Get behind both clubs, turn out in numbers, and help both to prosper now and in the future.
Well said
[quote][p][bold]Sheffieldbull[/bold] wrote: It may be worth reminding ourselves that these wonderful views of ground sharing in glorious harmony could never happen due mainly to the fact that both clubs have substantial lease agreements for the considerable future. Both sets of supporters have loyalties to they respective 'homes' - both with very understandable reasons so lets leave the 'peeing competitions' for another times - Trophy counting competitions would be more interesting anyway ;-). . Get behind both clubs, turn out in numbers, and help both to prosper now and in the future.[/p][/quote]Well said Mumby was the best
  • Score: 0

10:11am Fri 27 Apr 12

AdeyG'man says...

Freddy wrote:
At the moment "The Bulls" are not playing well. Perhaps it is just a poor Season. But I wonder what could happen if their fortunes became worse,as could Citys'.
???? Winning 4 of their last 6 games and beating the Champions on home turf? The Bulls are playing fine, but even if they weren't, it hardly warrants a move to VP.
[quote][p][bold]Freddy[/bold] wrote: At the moment "The Bulls" are not playing well. Perhaps it is just a poor Season. But I wonder what could happen if their fortunes became worse,as could Citys'.[/p][/quote]???? Winning 4 of their last 6 games and beating the Champions on home turf? The Bulls are playing fine, but even if they weren't, it hardly warrants a move to VP. AdeyG'man
  • Score: 0

10:12am Fri 27 Apr 12

silverbantam says...

prince35 wrote:
silverbantam wrote:
prince35 wrote:
It's never going to happen.
I think the council should now help in buying valley parade from Mr gibb.
Look the bulls and bradford cty are the biggest liesure activities in this city.
Going forward I'm sure it could be archived if the people involved got roynd the table and were prepared to give way on certain issues.
Yes there maybe issues with the pitch being not up to standard for the football that needs to be played.
Is the pitch big enough for proffesional rugby to be played?
At least look into the idea before dismissing it completely.
Both clubs deserve to be on better financial positions.
Seems Mr parkins idea to merge both cty and the bulls wasn't far off the mark????.
Watch this space
And what is your guide dog called ?
How do you mean?
I've given my oppinion as a,season tkt holder at bradford cty.
At least if you don't agree , come on and give me a reason why?
Instead of talking in riddles?
Sorry I replied to the wrong post !!
[quote][p][bold]prince35[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]silverbantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]prince35[/bold] wrote: It's never going to happen. I think the council should now help in buying valley parade from Mr gibb. Look the bulls and bradford cty are the biggest liesure activities in this city. Going forward I'm sure it could be archived if the people involved got roynd the table and were prepared to give way on certain issues. Yes there maybe issues with the pitch being not up to standard for the football that needs to be played. Is the pitch big enough for proffesional rugby to be played? At least look into the idea before dismissing it completely. Both clubs deserve to be on better financial positions. Seems Mr parkins idea to merge both cty and the bulls wasn't far off the mark????. Watch this space[/p][/quote]And what is your guide dog called ?[/p][/quote]How do you mean? I've given my oppinion as a,season tkt holder at bradford cty. At least if you don't agree , come on and give me a reason why? Instead of talking in riddles?[/p][/quote]Sorry I replied to the wrong post !! silverbantam
  • Score: 0

10:13am Fri 27 Apr 12

silverbantam says...

barbarian mike wrote:
Odsal is a superb and iconic venue. Stay there if we can! Don't know why this fella deems it fit for him to throw his opinion in!?
And what is your guide dog called ?
[quote][p][bold]barbarian mike[/bold] wrote: Odsal is a superb and iconic venue. Stay there if we can! Don't know why this fella deems it fit for him to throw his opinion in!?[/p][/quote]And what is your guide dog called ? silverbantam
  • Score: 0

10:14am Fri 27 Apr 12

KnightMcCall says...

graham smith wrote:
A large stadium in a city centre causes major problems for supporters. Access to parking is limited and also the clash of shoppers and supporters will always be an issue, the policing of games will also become a cost to the city and ultimately the clubs. The road systems around city’s ground are inadequate witch will also cause a problem for supporters and other users of the city centre. We know this from the 2 seasons we spent at Valley Parade. I feel that it’s time that ALL of Bradford’s politicians sat down and got the 2 club’s together to take us all forward to sustain sport in the city for another 100 years, after all if anyone thinks that sport is irrelevant look at what is happening in London this year. COM’ON YOU BULLS
Good points but why not include BPA in this discussion. Developing a stadium that can accomodate all THREE of Bradford's clubs would make even more sense.
[quote][p][bold]graham smith[/bold] wrote: A large stadium in a city centre causes major problems for supporters. Access to parking is limited and also the clash of shoppers and supporters will always be an issue, the policing of games will also become a cost to the city and ultimately the clubs. The road systems around city’s ground are inadequate witch will also cause a problem for supporters and other users of the city centre. We know this from the 2 seasons we spent at Valley Parade. I feel that it’s time that ALL of Bradford’s politicians sat down and got the 2 club’s together to take us all forward to sustain sport in the city for another 100 years, after all if anyone thinks that sport is irrelevant look at what is happening in London this year. COM’ON YOU BULLS[/p][/quote]Good points but why not include BPA in this discussion. Developing a stadium that can accomodate all THREE of Bradford's clubs would make even more sense. KnightMcCall
  • Score: 0

10:18am Fri 27 Apr 12

AdeyG'man says...

Adeybull wrote:
Marco Polio wrote:
To those saying City should move to Odsal. They can't get out of their leash on VP, so the only option is for Bulls to move to VP. Also the land Odsal stands on is better for development, with its transport links etc. so wouldn't be a total money waste for RFL.
And the Bulls are party to a long lease with the RFL (was the Council), that THEY can't get out of. AND they have to pay well over £1m back to the council if they ever DO leave Odsal. And the RFL is bound by similar terms to those the Bulls were - they cannot just develop the site for non-RL purposes.
.
So, it is NOT the only option. BOTH clubs are constrained in what course of action are open to them.
Exactly. And the plans for Odsal have been to Bradford Council more times than anyone dare to count. If the Council had pulled their head out of their backsides years ago, the stadium would be built, the businesses in the area would be thriving, there'd be additional shopping and sports facilities and the Bulls would have been financially independent.
So you have to see the irony that an MP is calling for the Bulls to move. As I said before, when Gerry Sutcliffe opened his trap...these MP's only crawl out of the woodwork when it suits them. Has this dude ever been to a game let alone spent the best part of 20 years supporting either club? This whole article is a joke to spark up the age old arguement...bottom line, the Bantams have a lease, the Bulls have a lease...let sleeping dogs lie!
[quote][p][bold]Adeybull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Marco Polio[/bold] wrote: To those saying City should move to Odsal. They can't get out of their leash on VP, so the only option is for Bulls to move to VP. Also the land Odsal stands on is better for development, with its transport links etc. so wouldn't be a total money waste for RFL.[/p][/quote]And the Bulls are party to a long lease with the RFL (was the Council), that THEY can't get out of. AND they have to pay well over £1m back to the council if they ever DO leave Odsal. And the RFL is bound by similar terms to those the Bulls were - they cannot just develop the site for non-RL purposes. . So, it is NOT the only option. BOTH clubs are constrained in what course of action are open to them.[/p][/quote]Exactly. And the plans for Odsal have been to Bradford Council more times than anyone dare to count. If the Council had pulled their head out of their backsides years ago, the stadium would be built, the businesses in the area would be thriving, there'd be additional shopping and sports facilities and the Bulls would have been financially independent. So you have to see the irony that an MP is calling for the Bulls to move. As I said before, when Gerry Sutcliffe opened his trap...these MP's only crawl out of the woodwork when it suits them. Has this dude ever been to a game let alone spent the best part of 20 years supporting either club? This whole article is a joke to spark up the age old arguement...bottom line, the Bantams have a lease, the Bulls have a lease...let sleeping dogs lie! AdeyG'man
  • Score: 0

10:21am Fri 27 Apr 12

Mick Gledhill says...

Guys the local elections are coming up and Mr Ward has played everyone like a pack of cards.

One final point I'd like to make is that now the RFL are liable to cover the maintenance costs at Odsal - it's actually cheaper for the club to remain there.
Guys the local elections are coming up and Mr Ward has played everyone like a pack of cards. One final point I'd like to make is that now the RFL are liable to cover the maintenance costs at Odsal - it's actually cheaper for the club to remain there. Mick Gledhill
  • Score: 0

10:22am Fri 27 Apr 12

AdeyG'man says...

AdeyG'man wrote:
Adeybull wrote:
Marco Polio wrote:
To those saying City should move to Odsal. They can't get out of their leash on VP, so the only option is for Bulls to move to VP. Also the land Odsal stands on is better for development, with its transport links etc. so wouldn't be a total money waste for RFL.
And the Bulls are party to a long lease with the RFL (was the Council), that THEY can't get out of. AND they have to pay well over £1m back to the council if they ever DO leave Odsal. And the RFL is bound by similar terms to those the Bulls were - they cannot just develop the site for non-RL purposes.
.
So, it is NOT the only option. BOTH clubs are constrained in what course of action are open to them.
Exactly. And the plans for Odsal have been to Bradford Council more times than anyone dare to count. If the Council had pulled their head out of their backsides years ago, the stadium would be built, the businesses in the area would be thriving, there'd be additional shopping and sports facilities and the Bulls would have been financially independent.
So you have to see the irony that an MP is calling for the Bulls to move. As I said before, when Gerry Sutcliffe opened his trap...these MP's only crawl out of the woodwork when it suits them. Has this dude ever been to a game let alone spent the best part of 20 years supporting either club? This whole article is a joke to spark up the age old arguement...bottom line, the Bantams have a lease, the Bulls have a lease...let sleeping dogs lie!
And if you want proof, just look at the likes of Huddersfield (with Cinemas, Bars and shops all around it) and Wigan (they build the stadium and it's bang next to a retail park...all thriving!)
Where is the nearest shop or thriving business to either VP or Odsal! Certainly not within spitting distance!
[quote][p][bold]AdeyG'man[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Adeybull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Marco Polio[/bold] wrote: To those saying City should move to Odsal. They can't get out of their leash on VP, so the only option is for Bulls to move to VP. Also the land Odsal stands on is better for development, with its transport links etc. so wouldn't be a total money waste for RFL.[/p][/quote]And the Bulls are party to a long lease with the RFL (was the Council), that THEY can't get out of. AND they have to pay well over £1m back to the council if they ever DO leave Odsal. And the RFL is bound by similar terms to those the Bulls were - they cannot just develop the site for non-RL purposes. . So, it is NOT the only option. BOTH clubs are constrained in what course of action are open to them.[/p][/quote]Exactly. And the plans for Odsal have been to Bradford Council more times than anyone dare to count. If the Council had pulled their head out of their backsides years ago, the stadium would be built, the businesses in the area would be thriving, there'd be additional shopping and sports facilities and the Bulls would have been financially independent. So you have to see the irony that an MP is calling for the Bulls to move. As I said before, when Gerry Sutcliffe opened his trap...these MP's only crawl out of the woodwork when it suits them. Has this dude ever been to a game let alone spent the best part of 20 years supporting either club? This whole article is a joke to spark up the age old arguement...bottom line, the Bantams have a lease, the Bulls have a lease...let sleeping dogs lie![/p][/quote]And if you want proof, just look at the likes of Huddersfield (with Cinemas, Bars and shops all around it) and Wigan (they build the stadium and it's bang next to a retail park...all thriving!) Where is the nearest shop or thriving business to either VP or Odsal! Certainly not within spitting distance! AdeyG'man
  • Score: 0

10:23am Fri 27 Apr 12

Mick Gledhill says...

Laney1989 wrote:
Criticism which was rightly put forward as well after what the Council has done to help the Bulls out in the past.
Please name these instances where Bradford Council have actively helped out the Bradford Bulls?
[quote][p][bold]Laney1989[/bold] wrote: Criticism which was rightly put forward as well after what the Council has done to help the Bulls out in the past.[/p][/quote]Please name these instances where Bradford Council have actively helped out the Bradford Bulls? Mick Gledhill
  • Score: 0

10:26am Fri 27 Apr 12

O ye of little faith says...

Who said that ground sharing works?About the only place this actually works is Hull,where it was developed as a stadium for both codes and was financed by the selling of the Hull telephone system.The others are football grounds with Rugby League as secondary consideration.The Giants have had to play some home games at Halifax and their supporters still chant"Fartown",Wigan have also had to play home games at Widnes,and during the warm up cannot use the football penalty areas.I dont recall either football team at either ground having to play home games at other venues.Regarding Valley Parade,if I recall when the Bulls went there last time we lost on average 1500-2000 fans on the gate per week.I did not like being there watching Rugby League,its a football ground and is not suited for our game.I would rather go to any other Rugby League ground than that place on Midland Road.So Mr Ward,to coin a phrase from the area I was brought up in "mind your own".
Who said that ground sharing works?About the only place this actually works is Hull,where it was developed as a stadium for both codes and was financed by the selling of the Hull telephone system.The others are football grounds with Rugby League as secondary consideration.The Giants have had to play some home games at Halifax and their supporters still chant"Fartown",Wigan have also had to play home games at Widnes,and during the warm up cannot use the football penalty areas.I dont recall either football team at either ground having to play home games at other venues.Regarding Valley Parade,if I recall when the Bulls went there last time we lost on average 1500-2000 fans on the gate per week.I did not like being there watching Rugby League,its a football ground and is not suited for our game.I would rather go to any other Rugby League ground than that place on Midland Road.So Mr Ward,to coin a phrase from the area I was brought up in "mind your own". O ye of little faith
  • Score: 0

10:27am Fri 27 Apr 12

Farsley Bantam says...

AdeyG'man wrote:
AdeyG'man wrote:
Adeybull wrote:
Marco Polio wrote:
To those saying City should move to Odsal. They can't get out of their leash on VP, so the only option is for Bulls to move to VP. Also the land Odsal stands on is better for development, with its transport links etc. so wouldn't be a total money waste for RFL.
And the Bulls are party to a long lease with the RFL (was the Council), that THEY can't get out of. AND they have to pay well over £1m back to the council if they ever DO leave Odsal. And the RFL is bound by similar terms to those the Bulls were - they cannot just develop the site for non-RL purposes.
.
So, it is NOT the only option. BOTH clubs are constrained in what course of action are open to them.
Exactly. And the plans for Odsal have been to Bradford Council more times than anyone dare to count. If the Council had pulled their head out of their backsides years ago, the stadium would be built, the businesses in the area would be thriving, there'd be additional shopping and sports facilities and the Bulls would have been financially independent.
So you have to see the irony that an MP is calling for the Bulls to move. As I said before, when Gerry Sutcliffe opened his trap...these MP's only crawl out of the woodwork when it suits them. Has this dude ever been to a game let alone spent the best part of 20 years supporting either club? This whole article is a joke to spark up the age old arguement...bottom line, the Bantams have a lease, the Bulls have a lease...let sleeping dogs lie!
And if you want proof, just look at the likes of Huddersfield (with Cinemas, Bars and shops all around it) and Wigan (they build the stadium and it's bang next to a retail park...all thriving!)
Where is the nearest shop or thriving business to either VP or Odsal! Certainly not within spitting distance!
Foster Square Retail Park is a 5 minute walk from VP and is thriving. You could probably spit from VP on a windy day and hit Next
[quote][p][bold]AdeyG'man[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AdeyG'man[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Adeybull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Marco Polio[/bold] wrote: To those saying City should move to Odsal. They can't get out of their leash on VP, so the only option is for Bulls to move to VP. Also the land Odsal stands on is better for development, with its transport links etc. so wouldn't be a total money waste for RFL.[/p][/quote]And the Bulls are party to a long lease with the RFL (was the Council), that THEY can't get out of. AND they have to pay well over £1m back to the council if they ever DO leave Odsal. And the RFL is bound by similar terms to those the Bulls were - they cannot just develop the site for non-RL purposes. . So, it is NOT the only option. BOTH clubs are constrained in what course of action are open to them.[/p][/quote]Exactly. And the plans for Odsal have been to Bradford Council more times than anyone dare to count. If the Council had pulled their head out of their backsides years ago, the stadium would be built, the businesses in the area would be thriving, there'd be additional shopping and sports facilities and the Bulls would have been financially independent. So you have to see the irony that an MP is calling for the Bulls to move. As I said before, when Gerry Sutcliffe opened his trap...these MP's only crawl out of the woodwork when it suits them. Has this dude ever been to a game let alone spent the best part of 20 years supporting either club? This whole article is a joke to spark up the age old arguement...bottom line, the Bantams have a lease, the Bulls have a lease...let sleeping dogs lie![/p][/quote]And if you want proof, just look at the likes of Huddersfield (with Cinemas, Bars and shops all around it) and Wigan (they build the stadium and it's bang next to a retail park...all thriving!) Where is the nearest shop or thriving business to either VP or Odsal! Certainly not within spitting distance![/p][/quote]Foster Square Retail Park is a 5 minute walk from VP and is thriving. You could probably spit from VP on a windy day and hit Next Farsley Bantam
  • Score: 0

10:32am Fri 27 Apr 12

Mumby was the best says...

Farsley Bantam wrote:
AdeyG'man wrote:
AdeyG'man wrote:
Adeybull wrote:
Marco Polio wrote:
To those saying City should move to Odsal. They can't get out of their leash on VP, so the only option is for Bulls to move to VP. Also the land Odsal stands on is better for development, with its transport links etc. so wouldn't be a total money waste for RFL.
And the Bulls are party to a long lease with the RFL (was the Council), that THEY can't get out of. AND they have to pay well over £1m back to the council if they ever DO leave Odsal. And the RFL is bound by similar terms to those the Bulls were - they cannot just develop the site for non-RL purposes.
.
So, it is NOT the only option. BOTH clubs are constrained in what course of action are open to them.
Exactly. And the plans for Odsal have been to Bradford Council more times than anyone dare to count. If the Council had pulled their head out of their backsides years ago, the stadium would be built, the businesses in the area would be thriving, there'd be additional shopping and sports facilities and the Bulls would have been financially independent.
So you have to see the irony that an MP is calling for the Bulls to move. As I said before, when Gerry Sutcliffe opened his trap...these MP's only crawl out of the woodwork when it suits them. Has this dude ever been to a game let alone spent the best part of 20 years supporting either club? This whole article is a joke to spark up the age old arguement...bottom line, the Bantams have a lease, the Bulls have a lease...let sleeping dogs lie!
And if you want proof, just look at the likes of Huddersfield (with Cinemas, Bars and shops all around it) and Wigan (they build the stadium and it's bang next to a retail park...all thriving!)
Where is the nearest shop or thriving business to either VP or Odsal! Certainly not within spitting distance!
Foster Square Retail Park is a 5 minute walk from VP and is thriving. You could probably spit from VP on a windy day and hit Next
Make sure wind is in right direction or may hit the person NEXT to you!!
[quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AdeyG'man[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AdeyG'man[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Adeybull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Marco Polio[/bold] wrote: To those saying City should move to Odsal. They can't get out of their leash on VP, so the only option is for Bulls to move to VP. Also the land Odsal stands on is better for development, with its transport links etc. so wouldn't be a total money waste for RFL.[/p][/quote]And the Bulls are party to a long lease with the RFL (was the Council), that THEY can't get out of. AND they have to pay well over £1m back to the council if they ever DO leave Odsal. And the RFL is bound by similar terms to those the Bulls were - they cannot just develop the site for non-RL purposes. . So, it is NOT the only option. BOTH clubs are constrained in what course of action are open to them.[/p][/quote]Exactly. And the plans for Odsal have been to Bradford Council more times than anyone dare to count. If the Council had pulled their head out of their backsides years ago, the stadium would be built, the businesses in the area would be thriving, there'd be additional shopping and sports facilities and the Bulls would have been financially independent. So you have to see the irony that an MP is calling for the Bulls to move. As I said before, when Gerry Sutcliffe opened his trap...these MP's only crawl out of the woodwork when it suits them. Has this dude ever been to a game let alone spent the best part of 20 years supporting either club? This whole article is a joke to spark up the age old arguement...bottom line, the Bantams have a lease, the Bulls have a lease...let sleeping dogs lie![/p][/quote]And if you want proof, just look at the likes of Huddersfield (with Cinemas, Bars and shops all around it) and Wigan (they build the stadium and it's bang next to a retail park...all thriving!) Where is the nearest shop or thriving business to either VP or Odsal! Certainly not within spitting distance![/p][/quote]Foster Square Retail Park is a 5 minute walk from VP and is thriving. You could probably spit from VP on a windy day and hit Next[/p][/quote]Make sure wind is in right direction or may hit the person NEXT to you!! Mumby was the best
  • Score: 0

10:37am Fri 27 Apr 12

AdeyG'man says...

Farsley Bantam wrote:
AdeyG'man wrote:
AdeyG'man wrote:
Adeybull wrote:
Marco Polio wrote:
To those saying City should move to Odsal. They can't get out of their leash on VP, so the only option is for Bulls to move to VP. Also the land Odsal stands on is better for development, with its transport links etc. so wouldn't be a total money waste for RFL.
And the Bulls are party to a long lease with the RFL (was the Council), that THEY can't get out of. AND they have to pay well over £1m back to the council if they ever DO leave Odsal. And the RFL is bound by similar terms to those the Bulls were - they cannot just develop the site for non-RL purposes.
.
So, it is NOT the only option. BOTH clubs are constrained in what course of action are open to them.
Exactly. And the plans for Odsal have been to Bradford Council more times than anyone dare to count. If the Council had pulled their head out of their backsides years ago, the stadium would be built, the businesses in the area would be thriving, there'd be additional shopping and sports facilities and the Bulls would have been financially independent.
So you have to see the irony that an MP is calling for the Bulls to move. As I said before, when Gerry Sutcliffe opened his trap...these MP's only crawl out of the woodwork when it suits them. Has this dude ever been to a game let alone spent the best part of 20 years supporting either club? This whole article is a joke to spark up the age old arguement...bottom line, the Bantams have a lease, the Bulls have a lease...let sleeping dogs lie!
And if you want proof, just look at the likes of Huddersfield (with Cinemas, Bars and shops all around it) and Wigan (they build the stadium and it's bang next to a retail park...all thriving!)
Where is the nearest shop or thriving business to either VP or Odsal! Certainly not within spitting distance!
Foster Square Retail Park is a 5 minute walk from VP and is thriving. You could probably spit from VP on a windy day and hit Next
Foster Sq Retail Park is thriving because they all moved out of the town centre. What I meant was, the purpose built stadia was built as part of a complex...they all went up interlinked and together. Foster Square went up of it's own accord and just happened to be 5 mins from VP. But it's not all in one complex...if you see my point?
And yes, I'm a Bulls fan and I do love Odsal, but I can see the point of both sides. Both sites have history, both teams are struggling financially, it's the story of the entire town to be honest. I'd love to ground share...I really would. But I don't think VP is designed for RL and Odsal isn't designed for Football. If these MPs and Council wanted a ground share, then build a new ground to accommodate both clubs...simple as!
[quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AdeyG'man[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AdeyG'man[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Adeybull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Marco Polio[/bold] wrote: To those saying City should move to Odsal. They can't get out of their leash on VP, so the only option is for Bulls to move to VP. Also the land Odsal stands on is better for development, with its transport links etc. so wouldn't be a total money waste for RFL.[/p][/quote]And the Bulls are party to a long lease with the RFL (was the Council), that THEY can't get out of. AND they have to pay well over £1m back to the council if they ever DO leave Odsal. And the RFL is bound by similar terms to those the Bulls were - they cannot just develop the site for non-RL purposes. . So, it is NOT the only option. BOTH clubs are constrained in what course of action are open to them.[/p][/quote]Exactly. And the plans for Odsal have been to Bradford Council more times than anyone dare to count. If the Council had pulled their head out of their backsides years ago, the stadium would be built, the businesses in the area would be thriving, there'd be additional shopping and sports facilities and the Bulls would have been financially independent. So you have to see the irony that an MP is calling for the Bulls to move. As I said before, when Gerry Sutcliffe opened his trap...these MP's only crawl out of the woodwork when it suits them. Has this dude ever been to a game let alone spent the best part of 20 years supporting either club? This whole article is a joke to spark up the age old arguement...bottom line, the Bantams have a lease, the Bulls have a lease...let sleeping dogs lie![/p][/quote]And if you want proof, just look at the likes of Huddersfield (with Cinemas, Bars and shops all around it) and Wigan (they build the stadium and it's bang next to a retail park...all thriving!) Where is the nearest shop or thriving business to either VP or Odsal! Certainly not within spitting distance![/p][/quote]Foster Square Retail Park is a 5 minute walk from VP and is thriving. You could probably spit from VP on a windy day and hit Next[/p][/quote]Foster Sq Retail Park is thriving because they all moved out of the town centre. What I meant was, the purpose built stadia was built as part of a complex...they all went up interlinked and together. Foster Square went up of it's own accord and just happened to be 5 mins from VP. But it's not all in one complex...if you see my point? And yes, I'm a Bulls fan and I do love Odsal, but I can see the point of both sides. Both sites have history, both teams are struggling financially, it's the story of the entire town to be honest. I'd love to ground share...I really would. But I don't think VP is designed for RL and Odsal isn't designed for Football. If these MPs and Council wanted a ground share, then build a new ground to accommodate both clubs...simple as! AdeyG'man
  • Score: 0

10:38am Fri 27 Apr 12

jagzter says...

People keep saying how short a walk it is to VP from train stations. According to google maps Bradford Foster Square is an 18 minute walk not 5 minutes and from bradford interchange 25 minute walk.
Still nobody has said how this proposed move would benefit the Bulls other than relieving some costs to City? As the Pension fund has rent reviews the burden would only grow on the Bulls. At least the RFL has an interest in the Bulls continuing the Pension fund just wants to make a profit and squeeze every penny.
If Bulls just lease Odsal then they don't have running costs the upkeep is down to the leaseholder.
People keep saying how short a walk it is to VP from train stations. According to google maps Bradford Foster Square is an 18 minute walk not 5 minutes and from bradford interchange 25 minute walk. Still nobody has said how this proposed move would benefit the Bulls other than relieving some costs to City? As the Pension fund has rent reviews the burden would only grow on the Bulls. At least the RFL has an interest in the Bulls continuing the Pension fund just wants to make a profit and squeeze every penny. If Bulls just lease Odsal then they don't have running costs the upkeep is down to the leaseholder. jagzter
  • Score: 0

10:46am Fri 27 Apr 12

Wots up says...

AdeyG'man wrote:
AdeyG'man wrote:
Adeybull wrote:
Marco Polio wrote:
To those saying City should move to Odsal. They can't get out of their leash on VP, so the only option is for Bulls to move to VP. Also the land Odsal stands on is better for development, with its transport links etc. so wouldn't be a total money waste for RFL.
And the Bulls are party to a long lease with the RFL (was the Council), that THEY can't get out of. AND they have to pay well over £1m back to the council if they ever DO leave Odsal. And the RFL is bound by similar terms to those the Bulls were - they cannot just develop the site for non-RL purposes.
.
So, it is NOT the only option. BOTH clubs are constrained in what course of action are open to them.
Exactly. And the plans for Odsal have been to Bradford Council more times than anyone dare to count. If the Council had pulled their head out of their backsides years ago, the stadium would be built, the businesses in the area would be thriving, there'd be additional shopping and sports facilities and the Bulls would have been financially independent.
So you have to see the irony that an MP is calling for the Bulls to move. As I said before, when Gerry Sutcliffe opened his trap...these MP's only crawl out of the woodwork when it suits them. Has this dude ever been to a game let alone spent the best part of 20 years supporting either club? This whole article is a joke to spark up the age old arguement...bottom line, the Bantams have a lease, the Bulls have a lease...let sleeping dogs lie!
And if you want proof, just look at the likes of Huddersfield (with Cinemas, Bars and shops all around it) and Wigan (they build the stadium and it's bang next to a retail park...all thriving!)
Where is the nearest shop or thriving business to either VP or Odsal! Certainly not within spitting distance!
Theres a cracking little chippy on Odsal roundabout.
[quote][p][bold]AdeyG'man[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AdeyG'man[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Adeybull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Marco Polio[/bold] wrote: To those saying City should move to Odsal. They can't get out of their leash on VP, so the only option is for Bulls to move to VP. Also the land Odsal stands on is better for development, with its transport links etc. so wouldn't be a total money waste for RFL.[/p][/quote]And the Bulls are party to a long lease with the RFL (was the Council), that THEY can't get out of. AND they have to pay well over £1m back to the council if they ever DO leave Odsal. And the RFL is bound by similar terms to those the Bulls were - they cannot just develop the site for non-RL purposes. . So, it is NOT the only option. BOTH clubs are constrained in what course of action are open to them.[/p][/quote]Exactly. And the plans for Odsal have been to Bradford Council more times than anyone dare to count. If the Council had pulled their head out of their backsides years ago, the stadium would be built, the businesses in the area would be thriving, there'd be additional shopping and sports facilities and the Bulls would have been financially independent. So you have to see the irony that an MP is calling for the Bulls to move. As I said before, when Gerry Sutcliffe opened his trap...these MP's only crawl out of the woodwork when it suits them. Has this dude ever been to a game let alone spent the best part of 20 years supporting either club? This whole article is a joke to spark up the age old arguement...bottom line, the Bantams have a lease, the Bulls have a lease...let sleeping dogs lie![/p][/quote]And if you want proof, just look at the likes of Huddersfield (with Cinemas, Bars and shops all around it) and Wigan (they build the stadium and it's bang next to a retail park...all thriving!) Where is the nearest shop or thriving business to either VP or Odsal! Certainly not within spitting distance![/p][/quote]Theres a cracking little chippy on Odsal roundabout. Wots up
  • Score: 0

10:56am Fri 27 Apr 12

Mumby was the best says...

People are getting at each others throats because an inconsequential MP has stated a point of view which he has not thought through, ie the lease situations at both clubs, for reasons only he knows.
Put it aside and get on with life instead of bickering.
People are getting at each others throats because an inconsequential MP has stated a point of view which he has not thought through, ie the lease situations at both clubs, for reasons only he knows. Put it aside and get on with life instead of bickering. Mumby was the best
  • Score: 0

11:02am Fri 27 Apr 12

jonathancrewdson says...

Very reluctantly I think sharing a ground is likely to be the best solution for both clubs in the long run. It would definitely help the finances of both by sharing the costs of running a single ground and would be a better use of a single facility.

Thing is, I guess if that happened Odsal Stadium is very likely to be sold off for another supermarket and houses to be built on. I have mixed feelings about that idea.
Very reluctantly I think sharing a ground is likely to be the best solution for both clubs in the long run. It would definitely help the finances of both by sharing the costs of running a single ground and would be a better use of a single facility. Thing is, I guess if that happened Odsal Stadium is very likely to be sold off for another supermarket and houses to be built on. I have mixed feelings about that idea. jonathancrewdson
  • Score: 0

11:10am Fri 27 Apr 12

BD16 says...

City can't leave VP because of the lease with Gibb. Does anybody know whetehr the Bulls are tied to Odsal by the RFL lease?
City can't leave VP because of the lease with Gibb. Does anybody know whetehr the Bulls are tied to Odsal by the RFL lease? BD16
  • Score: 0

11:21am Fri 27 Apr 12

birkybull says...

ha ha ha ha ha Quality
ha ha ha ha ha Quality birkybull
  • Score: 0

11:31am Fri 27 Apr 12

theviking62 says...

Having read the article and posts on here, it appears that four things are obvious. 1) ward, electioneering. Trying to out talk Galloway. Make more noise than sutcliffe. 2) that neither set of supporters wants to move. 3) both clubs have debts. Some more than others. 4) that this is just turning into the proverbial arguement " my dad is bigger/better than yours " so let's give it a rest. ward thinks he knows it all but we know better, after all we've lived here a long time. Bcfc forever, coyb.
Having read the article and posts on here, it appears that four things are obvious. 1) ward, electioneering. Trying to out talk Galloway. Make more noise than sutcliffe. 2) that neither set of supporters wants to move. 3) both clubs have debts. Some more than others. 4) that this is just turning into the proverbial arguement " my dad is bigger/better than yours " so let's give it a rest. ward thinks he knows it all but we know better, after all we've lived here a long time. Bcfc forever, coyb. theviking62
  • Score: 0

11:38am Fri 27 Apr 12

murphyslaw says...

Bulls became beggars recently and there's an old saying "beggars can't be choosers" I suspect the Bulls hand will be forced one way or another before too long.
Bulls became beggars recently and there's an old saying "beggars can't be choosers" I suspect the Bulls hand will be forced one way or another before too long. murphyslaw
  • Score: 0

11:39am Fri 27 Apr 12

blacksheep says...

Absolutely amazes me why some Bulls fans are so against a move to VP.

If it's not possible for financial reasons/constraints then fair enough. But i have a family member who has been a bulls fan for 40 years and they actually said these words:

"I'd sooner see the Bulls go bust than play at Valley Parade, there isn't even decent parking!"

Bye then!
Absolutely amazes me why some Bulls fans are so against a move to VP. If it's not possible for financial reasons/constraints then fair enough. But i have a family member who has been a bulls fan for 40 years and they actually said these words: "I'd sooner see the Bulls go bust than play at Valley Parade, there isn't even decent parking!" Bye then! blacksheep
  • Score: 0

11:40am Fri 27 Apr 12

theviking62 says...

See it's lowered itself to name calling now. Time you all stopped posting on subject and put it too bed. Tribal loyalties, bulls/city, are very evident.
See it's lowered itself to name calling now. Time you all stopped posting on subject and put it too bed. Tribal loyalties, bulls/city, are very evident. theviking62
  • Score: 0

11:45am Fri 27 Apr 12

Mumby was the best says...

theviking62 wrote:
See it's lowered itself to name calling now. Time you all stopped posting on subject and put it too bed. Tribal loyalties, bulls/city, are very evident.
Agree wholeheartedly it`s serving no purpose
[quote][p][bold]theviking62[/bold] wrote: See it's lowered itself to name calling now. Time you all stopped posting on subject and put it too bed. Tribal loyalties, bulls/city, are very evident.[/p][/quote]Agree wholeheartedly it`s serving no purpose Mumby was the best
  • Score: 0

11:49am Fri 27 Apr 12

Laney1989 says...

blacksheep wrote:
Absolutely amazes me why some Bulls fans are so against a move to VP.

If it's not possible for financial reasons/constraints then fair enough. But i have a family member who has been a bulls fan for 40 years and they actually said these words:

"I'd sooner see the Bulls go bust than play at Valley Parade, there isn't even decent parking!"

Bye then!
I've heard numerous people say the exact same thing...

Quite a shocking statement to make in my opinion.

Supporters of the club? Yeah right.
[quote][p][bold]blacksheep[/bold] wrote: Absolutely amazes me why some Bulls fans are so against a move to VP. If it's not possible for financial reasons/constraints then fair enough. But i have a family member who has been a bulls fan for 40 years and they actually said these words: "I'd sooner see the Bulls go bust than play at Valley Parade, there isn't even decent parking!" Bye then![/p][/quote]I've heard numerous people say the exact same thing... Quite a shocking statement to make in my opinion. Supporters of the club? Yeah right. Laney1989
  • Score: 0

11:50am Fri 27 Apr 12

theviking62 says...

Murphys'law, read the previous posts, both clubs tided into long leases thatbcan't be broken. Plus city only want someone to share the rent. Who, may ask, will force the bulls hand.
Murphys'law, read the previous posts, both clubs tided into long leases thatbcan't be broken. Plus city only want someone to share the rent. Who, may ask, will force the bulls hand. theviking62
  • Score: 0

11:57am Fri 27 Apr 12

theviking62 says...

Laney, blacksheep, I've heard the same from city supporters. Touché, my friends.
Laney, blacksheep, I've heard the same from city supporters. Touché, my friends. theviking62
  • Score: 0

11:59am Fri 27 Apr 12

theviking62 says...

See what I mean, my dad bigger than your dad. I rest my case.
See what I mean, my dad bigger than your dad. I rest my case. theviking62
  • Score: 0

12:02pm Fri 27 Apr 12

Adeybull says...

No wonder this city is well on the way to hell in a handcart.
No wonder this city is well on the way to hell in a handcart. Adeybull
  • Score: 0

12:17pm Fri 27 Apr 12

Gemzki-Lou says...

NO! Valley parade is a mess! What plans do you have for it anyway? Build houses for immigrants to move in? Build a mosque? .... The Bulls have many good memories there - not just memories of crisis!... valley parade is a dump - the area it is in is attrocious - BULLS SHOULD STAY!...... IT WILL NEVER BE THE SAME IF WE MOVE!
NO! Valley parade is a mess! What plans do you have for it anyway? Build houses for immigrants to move in? Build a mosque? .... The Bulls have many good memories there - not just memories of crisis!... valley parade is a dump - the area it is in is attrocious - BULLS SHOULD STAY!...... IT WILL NEVER BE THE SAME IF WE MOVE! Gemzki-Lou
  • Score: 0

12:29pm Fri 27 Apr 12

_Size3_ says...

This is all very humerous - Bulls fans somehow slagging off 'our' situation.

Last time I checked City were in a financially stable situation and holding our own and not making losses.

Last time I checked, City were in the news about things like POTY awards and NOT about our inability to continue trading as a business.

So why don't those Bulls fans do what us City fans did when faced with possible imminent extermination and realise that pig-headedness will not ensure the future of your club and you may...just may need to put your pride to one side.

As a City fan I couldn't care less if the Bulls choose to extinct themselves, but seeings we are the financially secure club, I don't think we'll be moving anywhere.... - so it's our way or the highway (ie put your club in the lottery).
This is all very humerous - Bulls fans somehow slagging off 'our' situation. Last time I checked City were in a financially stable situation and holding our own and not making losses. Last time I checked, City were in the news about things like POTY awards and NOT about our inability to continue trading as a business. So why don't those Bulls fans do what us City fans did when faced with possible imminent extermination and realise that pig-headedness will not ensure the future of your club and you may...just may need to put your pride to one side. As a City fan I couldn't care less if the Bulls choose to extinct themselves, but seeings we are the financially secure club, I don't think we'll be moving anywhere.... - so it's our way or the highway (ie put your club in the lottery). _Size3_
  • Score: 0

12:31pm Fri 27 Apr 12

_Size3_ says...

Also - why would we need to have plans to build anything? You were offering us an 18,000 seat stadium...we already have a 25,000 seater so are already up on what plans you couldn't afford to execute.

Come back when you actually have an argument.
Also - why would we need to have plans to build anything? You were offering us an 18,000 seat stadium...we already have a 25,000 seater so are already up on what plans you couldn't afford to execute. Come back when you actually have an argument. _Size3_
  • Score: 0

12:41pm Fri 27 Apr 12

Rambo says...

I used to go to Bulls and City games until the age of about 16 when I was charged the adult price. I kept with City with living on that side of Bradford and it being easier to get to.
A couple of years later I went to watch one of the Bulls games at VP with my mum, and I was wearing the claret and blue city away shirt. Both of us received verbal abuse from numerous Bulls fans for what I was wearing.
.
Now I know not all Bulls fans were like the ones we encountered. But with the animosity seemingly so high amongst what is a very large 'minority' of Bulls fans towards City and VP, its understandable some city folk don't want them anywhere near VP.
.
Personally, I couldn't care less. But if the Bulls have to leave Odsal, they might have to start being a bit more polite if they want to stay in Bradford, as the novelty of going somewhere else like Cougar Park will wear thing (thats if they'll have them).
I used to go to Bulls and City games until the age of about 16 when I was charged the adult price. I kept with City with living on that side of Bradford and it being easier to get to. A couple of years later I went to watch one of the Bulls games at VP with my mum, and I was wearing the claret and blue city away shirt. Both of us received verbal abuse from numerous Bulls fans for what I was wearing. . Now I know not all Bulls fans were like the ones we encountered. But with the animosity seemingly so high amongst what is a very large 'minority' of Bulls fans towards City and VP, its understandable some city folk don't want them anywhere near VP. . Personally, I couldn't care less. But if the Bulls have to leave Odsal, they might have to start being a bit more polite if they want to stay in Bradford, as the novelty of going somewhere else like Cougar Park will wear thing (thats if they'll have them). Rambo
  • Score: 0

12:46pm Fri 27 Apr 12

nohidingplace says...

Laney1989 wrote:
caribouk wrote:
Surely ground sharing at Odsal would be better? Valley Parade is not the best place to get to and from and has no potential for further development, whereas Odsal has great transport links and could easily be developed to provide additional income streams.

Can't see what its got to do with this fella though!
10,000 Bradford City supporters manage to get away to and from the ground with ease every other week?!
Any other excuses you'd like to come up with?
Yeah, but there'll be 50% more trying to get there for the Bulls :)

To be fair, I'd be happy to move if if guaranteed the bulls survive and allows them to build for the future! It's also a lot easier for me to get to, and it means I can pop into Haigys and The Sparrow for a couple before/after the game!

We can use the pitch length to our advantage, just like we did before.
[quote][p][bold]Laney1989[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]caribouk[/bold] wrote: Surely ground sharing at Odsal would be better? Valley Parade is not the best place to get to and from and has no potential for further development, whereas Odsal has great transport links and could easily be developed to provide additional income streams. Can't see what its got to do with this fella though![/p][/quote]10,000 Bradford City supporters manage to get away to and from the ground with ease every other week?! Any other excuses you'd like to come up with?[/p][/quote]Yeah, but there'll be 50% more trying to get there for the Bulls :) To be fair, I'd be happy to move if if guaranteed the bulls survive and allows them to build for the future! It's also a lot easier for me to get to, and it means I can pop into Haigys and The Sparrow for a couple before/after the game! We can use the pitch length to our advantage, just like we did before. nohidingplace
  • Score: 0

12:47pm Fri 27 Apr 12

Hudzilla says...

Why are there still debates ongoing???

THE RFL OWN ODSAL. HOW STUPUD WOULD IT LOOK IF THE BULLS MOVED FROM AN RFL OWNED STADIA TO VP?!?!?!

IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. MOVE ON.
Why are there still debates ongoing??? THE RFL OWN ODSAL. HOW STUPUD WOULD IT LOOK IF THE BULLS MOVED FROM AN RFL OWNED STADIA TO VP?!?!?! IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. MOVE ON. Hudzilla
  • Score: 0

1:05pm Fri 27 Apr 12

Prisoner Cell Block A says...

Plus my posts are always factually correct, not guessed, and certainly not guessed by the colour of someone's skin.

I really have no need to defend myself against a set of knuckle-dragging racists who jump to defend a bigoted idiot.

When you have reasonable retorts and responses to the debate in question please post, if you are wanting to run down VP and surrounding areas then hold your tongues. The majority of the posts so far are laughable at best and reactionary at best. Myself included I'm afraid.

Personally I would rather NOT have the Bulls at VP, the decision isn't mine or yours ultimately so whatever outcome, if it be you end up at VP then I'd readjust your ideas on our club and the local residents.
Plus my posts are always factually correct, not guessed, and certainly not guessed by the colour of someone's skin. I really have no need to defend myself against a set of knuckle-dragging racists who jump to defend a bigoted idiot. When you have reasonable retorts and responses to the debate in question please post, if you are wanting to run down VP and surrounding areas then hold your tongues. The majority of the posts so far are laughable at best and reactionary at best. Myself included I'm afraid. Personally I would rather NOT have the Bulls at VP, the decision isn't mine or yours ultimately so whatever outcome, if it be you end up at VP then I'd readjust your ideas on our club and the local residents. Prisoner Cell Block A
  • Score: 0

1:10pm Fri 27 Apr 12

Bullcity says...

2 of our most succcessful seasons were spent at VP. I wish we were at VP now with as good a team as then.Practicality means we have to do it.
If the Hull die hards can do it then so can we.
We might get some representaive games as well.
We just need the pitch to be a bit wider if that is possible.
How good if the 2 boards could buy back the lease and Bradford become owners of their sporting stadium.
20,000 plus managed to park when City were in the premier league & 11,000 are managing now.
No pain --no gain .
Odsal is the spiritual home but facts are --costs too much , no million pound backer, and joint control could ease both clubs financial struggles.
I say get the board meeting out of the way & get on & do it.
Put some Red Amber & Black at the ground along with the Claret & Amber & it will not be so bad.When it rains --you will stay dry !! Come on !!!
2 of our most succcessful seasons were spent at VP. I wish we were at VP now with as good a team as then.Practicality means we have to do it. If the Hull die hards can do it then so can we. We might get some representaive games as well. We just need the pitch to be a bit wider if that is possible. How good if the 2 boards could buy back the lease and Bradford become owners of their sporting stadium. 20,000 plus managed to park when City were in the premier league & 11,000 are managing now. No pain --no gain . Odsal is the spiritual home but facts are --costs too much , no million pound backer, and joint control could ease both clubs financial struggles. I say get the board meeting out of the way & get on & do it. Put some Red Amber & Black at the ground along with the Claret & Amber & it will not be so bad.When it rains --you will stay dry !! Come on !!! Bullcity
  • Score: 0

1:29pm Fri 27 Apr 12

murphyslaw says...

theviking62 wrote:
Murphys'law, read the previous posts, both clubs tided into long leases thatbcan't be broken. Plus city only want someone to share the rent. Who, may ask, will force the bulls hand.
Are you for real? once the money runs out and the begging bowl remains empty thats it!! The leases mean nothing if the club is bankrupt In those circumstances I would have thought it should be obvious who will force the Bulls hand. Our beloved club is broke or havent you noticed that.
[quote][p][bold]theviking62[/bold] wrote: Murphys'law, read the previous posts, both clubs tided into long leases thatbcan't be broken. Plus city only want someone to share the rent. Who, may ask, will force the bulls hand.[/p][/quote]Are you for real? once the money runs out and the begging bowl remains empty thats it!! The leases mean nothing if the club is bankrupt In those circumstances I would have thought it should be obvious who will force the Bulls hand. Our beloved club is broke or havent you noticed that. murphyslaw
  • Score: 0

1:37pm Fri 27 Apr 12

murphyslaw says...

Hudzilla wrote:
Why are there still debates ongoing???

THE RFL OWN ODSAL. HOW STUPUD WOULD IT LOOK IF THE BULLS MOVED FROM AN RFL OWNED STADIA TO VP?!?!?!

IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. MOVE ON.
How stupid would it be of the RFL to continue allowing Bulls to occupy Odsal if they can't afford the lease? The Bulls may have no option but to go cap in hand to the owners of VP but as they are losing 200K per month (Hoods figures) there is no guarantee anyone will want them. Who knows what's going to happen?
[quote][p][bold]Hudzilla[/bold] wrote: Why are there still debates ongoing??? THE RFL OWN ODSAL. HOW STUPUD WOULD IT LOOK IF THE BULLS MOVED FROM AN RFL OWNED STADIA TO VP?!?!?! IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. MOVE ON.[/p][/quote]How stupid would it be of the RFL to continue allowing Bulls to occupy Odsal if they can't afford the lease? The Bulls may have no option but to go cap in hand to the owners of VP but as they are losing 200K per month (Hoods figures) there is no guarantee anyone will want them. Who knows what's going to happen? murphyslaw
  • Score: 0

1:41pm Fri 27 Apr 12

Adeybull says...

murphyslaw wrote:
Hudzilla wrote:
Why are there still debates ongoing???

THE RFL OWN ODSAL. HOW STUPUD WOULD IT LOOK IF THE BULLS MOVED FROM AN RFL OWNED STADIA TO VP?!?!?!

IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. MOVE ON.
How stupid would it be of the RFL to continue allowing Bulls to occupy Odsal if they can't afford the lease? The Bulls may have no option but to go cap in hand to the owners of VP but as they are losing 200K per month (Hoods figures) there is no guarantee anyone will want them. Who knows what's going to happen?
The Bulls are not losing £200k/month. That is not "Hood's Figures."
.
If the Bulls stop paying rent to the RFL, who are locked into a lease with the Council, what would the RFL do?
[quote][p][bold]murphyslaw[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hudzilla[/bold] wrote: Why are there still debates ongoing??? THE RFL OWN ODSAL. HOW STUPUD WOULD IT LOOK IF THE BULLS MOVED FROM AN RFL OWNED STADIA TO VP?!?!?! IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. MOVE ON.[/p][/quote]How stupid would it be of the RFL to continue allowing Bulls to occupy Odsal if they can't afford the lease? The Bulls may have no option but to go cap in hand to the owners of VP but as they are losing 200K per month (Hoods figures) there is no guarantee anyone will want them. Who knows what's going to happen?[/p][/quote]The Bulls are not losing £200k/month. That is not "Hood's Figures." . If the Bulls stop paying rent to the RFL, who are locked into a lease with the Council, what would the RFL do? Adeybull
  • Score: 0

1:48pm Fri 27 Apr 12

Sheffieldbull says...

Are people simply choosing to ignore all the salient points here? This situation isn't a 'wishing well' for goodness sake. Does anyone really believe for minute that either the 'Pension Fund /City or RFL /Bulls are just going rip up the Leases and bow out - aye! and pigs might fly! Lets get real If- and I say If, one OR both of these lease holders are prepared to forfeit their lease the cost would run into millions. 'Pension fund' would increase the rent they currently charge BCFC if Bulls were to ground share, and why wouldn't they? Lets just keep a touch of reality in the discussions lads and lassies.
Are people simply choosing to ignore all the salient points here? This situation isn't a 'wishing well' for goodness sake. Does anyone really believe for minute that either the 'Pension Fund /City or RFL /Bulls are just going rip up the Leases and bow out - aye! and pigs might fly! Lets get real If- and I say If, one OR both of these lease holders are prepared to forfeit their lease the cost would run into millions. 'Pension fund' would increase the rent they currently charge BCFC if Bulls were to ground share, and why wouldn't they? Lets just keep a touch of reality in the discussions lads and lassies. Sheffieldbull
  • Score: 0

1:52pm Fri 27 Apr 12

Prisoner Cell Block A says...

Ban you from the super league franschise and expunge results to date.
Ban you from the super league franschise and expunge results to date. Prisoner Cell Block A
  • Score: 0

1:53pm Fri 27 Apr 12

kellyh1981 says...

prince35 wrote:
Tim the Mage wrote:
Why don't Bradford City play at Odsal and leave Gibb with his debt.

Makes as much sense as David Ward's suggestion.

We are reaping the results of the last Labour government calling in a refusing the Sterling Capital/Tesco redevelopment. Amazing that when the City had 5 Labour MPs they couldn't get it through!
Bradford cty had the fire and I really don't blame the club or fans that would want to stay at vp.
There's more of an emotional attachment for the bradford fans and board.
So Bulls don't have an emotional tie to their home?
Regardless of the reasons for feeling a bond to their home ground because it is exactly that - home.
From the first trip to Valley parade a few years ago, it wasn't the most pleasant of few seasons as a rugby fan.
Parking is not good, the area it is in isn't nice and personally as a bulls fan I wouldn't want to move there.
I understand the logic of it, but also Odsal does have far more development potential, better location, better motorway links.
If it happens it happnes but I think both sets of fans would prefer it not to!!
[quote][p][bold]prince35[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tim the Mage[/bold] wrote: Why don't Bradford City play at Odsal and leave Gibb with his debt. Makes as much sense as David Ward's suggestion. We are reaping the results of the last Labour government calling in a refusing the Sterling Capital/Tesco redevelopment. Amazing that when the City had 5 Labour MPs they couldn't get it through![/p][/quote]Bradford cty had the fire and I really don't blame the club or fans that would want to stay at vp. There's more of an emotional attachment for the bradford fans and board.[/p][/quote]So Bulls don't have an emotional tie to their home? Regardless of the reasons for feeling a bond to their home ground because it is exactly that - home. From the first trip to Valley parade a few years ago, it wasn't the most pleasant of few seasons as a rugby fan. Parking is not good, the area it is in isn't nice and personally as a bulls fan I wouldn't want to move there. I understand the logic of it, but also Odsal does have far more development potential, better location, better motorway links. If it happens it happnes but I think both sets of fans would prefer it not to!! kellyh1981
  • Score: 0

1:55pm Fri 27 Apr 12

Sheffieldbull says...

Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:
Ban you from the super league franschise and expunge results to date.
Prisoner, stick to what you think you know about, there's a good chap!
[quote][p][bold]Prisoner Cell Block A[/bold] wrote: Ban you from the super league franschise and expunge results to date.[/p][/quote]Prisoner, stick to what you think you know about, there's a good chap! Sheffieldbull
  • Score: 0

1:57pm Fri 27 Apr 12

Babbsy says...

I see all the usual Bulls prejudices once again come out when any talk of VP surfaces - The reasons why City don't move to Odsal are obvious, ie it's an absolute dump, but bad for access??!! I live in Cleckheaton, have supported City for many years, and have been to many other football stadia and ours is one of the easiest to get in and out of. Even when there were 18K every week attending in the Prem years the stadium and surrounding areas were totally clear within 20 minutes. I've queued down Rooley Avenue after a Bulls game and it's far from pleasant. Oh, and the old classic 'It's two buses' lark - Well it's one if you go to the Interchange and then shift yer backside to VP on foot - Half of you might shed a coupel of pounds a season then. Then the myth about it being crime ridden and a 'mini-Pakistan' Can't say I've ever experienced any vehicle crime or anything generally crime related in 27 years!! And I used to park my car on the back streets off Lumb Lane. I wasn't aware that you go to a sporting event at VP to hang around the streets anyway - I usually go in and out - Thousands of others seem to manage it every other week without any problems too. It's a good idea in practice if you are dealing with rational people - Unforunately the majority of Bulls fans are far from that. That's when I stopped supporting the RL club - When they were in VP - 'Seats are too small for our fat backsides' 'It's two buses' 'The view around the ground isn't pleasant enough - Too many ethnic folk' - Let's just let the Bulls rot if that's what they want. Victims of their own ignorance and stubborness.
I see all the usual Bulls prejudices once again come out when any talk of VP surfaces - The reasons why City don't move to Odsal are obvious, ie it's an absolute dump, but bad for access??!! I live in Cleckheaton, have supported City for many years, and have been to many other football stadia and ours is one of the easiest to get in and out of. Even when there were 18K every week attending in the Prem years the stadium and surrounding areas were totally clear within 20 minutes. I've queued down Rooley Avenue after a Bulls game and it's far from pleasant. Oh, and the old classic 'It's two buses' lark - Well it's one if you go to the Interchange and then shift yer backside to VP on foot - Half of you might shed a coupel of pounds a season then. Then the myth about it being crime ridden and a 'mini-Pakistan' Can't say I've ever experienced any vehicle crime or anything generally crime related in 27 years!! And I used to park my car on the back streets off Lumb Lane. I wasn't aware that you go to a sporting event at VP to hang around the streets anyway - I usually go in and out - Thousands of others seem to manage it every other week without any problems too. It's a good idea in practice if you are dealing with rational people - Unforunately the majority of Bulls fans are far from that. That's when I stopped supporting the RL club - When they were in VP - 'Seats are too small for our fat backsides' 'It's two buses' 'The view around the ground isn't pleasant enough - Too many ethnic folk' - Let's just let the Bulls rot if that's what they want. Victims of their own ignorance and stubborness. Babbsy
  • Score: 0

2:01pm Fri 27 Apr 12

Babbsy says...

Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:
Plus my posts are always factually correct, not guessed, and certainly not guessed by the colour of someone's skin. I really have no need to defend myself against a set of knuckle-dragging racists who jump to defend a bigoted idiot. When you have reasonable retorts and responses to the debate in question please post, if you are wanting to run down VP and surrounding areas then hold your tongues. The majority of the posts so far are laughable at best and reactionary at best. Myself included I'm afraid. Personally I would rather NOT have the Bulls at VP, the decision isn't mine or yours ultimately so whatever outcome, if it be you end up at VP then I'd readjust your ideas on our club and the local residents.
Hear hear.
[quote][p][bold]Prisoner Cell Block A[/bold] wrote: Plus my posts are always factually correct, not guessed, and certainly not guessed by the colour of someone's skin. I really have no need to defend myself against a set of knuckle-dragging racists who jump to defend a bigoted idiot. When you have reasonable retorts and responses to the debate in question please post, if you are wanting to run down VP and surrounding areas then hold your tongues. The majority of the posts so far are laughable at best and reactionary at best. Myself included I'm afraid. Personally I would rather NOT have the Bulls at VP, the decision isn't mine or yours ultimately so whatever outcome, if it be you end up at VP then I'd readjust your ideas on our club and the local residents.[/p][/quote]Hear hear. Babbsy
  • Score: 0

2:15pm Fri 27 Apr 12

murphyslaw says...

Some very knowledgeable posters on here with good intentions no doubt but if the club is BUST (or close to it) it's hobsons choice and that goes for everyone including the RFL and their lease. Yes there are lots of options desperately being persued behind closed doors but how viable they prove to be will only be revealed in the course of time, of which we don't have much. Too many people on here seem to be seeing the Bulls as a wealthy organisation with choices when in fact the oposite is the case and a sale of assets (players etc.,) may be the only course of action left in the end and that would be a disaster. Always remember, far far bigger organisations that Bulls have bitten the dust and far bigger companies than the RFL have had their fingers burnt. A lease is no safeguard once business begins to fail and in the end may mean nothng?
Some very knowledgeable posters on here with good intentions no doubt but if the club is BUST (or close to it) it's hobsons choice and that goes for everyone including the RFL and their lease. Yes there are lots of options desperately being persued behind closed doors but how viable they prove to be will only be revealed in the course of time, of which we don't have much. Too many people on here seem to be seeing the Bulls as a wealthy organisation with choices when in fact the oposite is the case and a sale of assets (players etc.,) may be the only course of action left in the end and that would be a disaster. Always remember, far far bigger organisations that Bulls have bitten the dust and far bigger companies than the RFL have had their fingers burnt. A lease is no safeguard once business begins to fail and in the end may mean nothng? murphyslaw
  • Score: 0

2:19pm Fri 27 Apr 12

expatbull says...

FOR SALE
Blinkers for shortsighted city fans who think they are safe from financial ruin....
FOR SALE Blinkers for shortsighted city fans who think they are safe from financial ruin.... expatbull
  • Score: 0

2:26pm Fri 27 Apr 12

Prisoner Cell Block A says...

Sheffieldbull wrote:
Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:
Ban you from the super league franschise and expunge results to date.
Prisoner, stick to what you think you know about, there's a good chap!
""If the Bulls stop paying rent to the RFL, who are locked into a lease with the Council, what would the RFL do?"""

So if they didn't remove the Bulls franchise share and expunge their results what would they do? Alllow them to carry on cheating, not live within their means? Enlightenment would be appreciated if I don't have the correct take on what happens when a RL club folds or fails to satisfy it's legal commitments.

This has happened in football previously, BPA being the most notable for this discussion purposes and Maidstone Utd being the most recent to be banished for failure to comply with all necessary aspects of being part of a working league scenario.

If the Bulls cannot cover their expenses, they need to play the kids and lose the pros, as City had to do twice over during our demise in recent years.
[quote][p][bold]Sheffieldbull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Prisoner Cell Block A[/bold] wrote: Ban you from the super league franschise and expunge results to date.[/p][/quote]Prisoner, stick to what you think you know about, there's a good chap![/p][/quote]""If the Bulls stop paying rent to the RFL, who are locked into a lease with the Council, what would the RFL do?""" So if they didn't remove the Bulls franchise share and expunge their results what would they do? Alllow them to carry on cheating, not live within their means? Enlightenment would be appreciated if I don't have the correct take on what happens when a RL club folds or fails to satisfy it's legal commitments. This has happened in football previously, BPA being the most notable for this discussion purposes and Maidstone Utd being the most recent to be banished for failure to comply with all necessary aspects of being part of a working league scenario. If the Bulls cannot cover their expenses, they need to play the kids and lose the pros, as City had to do twice over during our demise in recent years. Prisoner Cell Block A
  • Score: 0

2:31pm Fri 27 Apr 12

thedragonwithonewing says...

Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:
Mick Gledhill wrote:
Laney1989 wrote:
"Music to my ears"
Been saying it for years but the stubborn "old-guard" at Odsal will NEVER allow it.
I'm sorry Christopher but why don't the 'stubborn Bradford City supporters' agree to share Odsal?

Valley Parade is simply an financial embarrassment that is slowly but surly eating away at Bradford City.
Maybe because we did cover our financial restraint last year by buying back one of the buildings, we aren't the ones that were dug out by the RFL and we haven't just gone to our fans cap in hand and asked for a million quid. And we don't want to play on a rubbish tip with miserbale horrible surrounding stands.

NEXT!
so bradford city never did collection buckets a few years when city almost went to the wall. Looking at from a non emotional side vp could not expand because of it been hemmed in by roads and houses, odsal is only blocked by rooley ave
[quote][p][bold]Prisoner Cell Block A[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mick Gledhill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Laney1989[/bold] wrote: "Music to my ears" Been saying it for years but the stubborn "old-guard" at Odsal will NEVER allow it.[/p][/quote]I'm sorry Christopher but why don't the 'stubborn Bradford City supporters' agree to share Odsal? Valley Parade is simply an financial embarrassment that is slowly but surly eating away at Bradford City.[/p][/quote]Maybe because we did cover our financial restraint last year by buying back one of the buildings, we aren't the ones that were dug out by the RFL and we haven't just gone to our fans cap in hand and asked for a million quid. And we don't want to play on a rubbish tip with miserbale horrible surrounding stands. NEXT![/p][/quote]so bradford city never did collection buckets a few years when city almost went to the wall. Looking at from a non emotional side vp could not expand because of it been hemmed in by roads and houses, odsal is only blocked by rooley ave thedragonwithonewing
  • Score: 0

2:32pm Fri 27 Apr 12

BD16 says...

expatbull wrote:
FOR SALE Blinkers for shortsighted city fans who think they are safe from financial ruin....
I think you'll find you are 10 years out of date with those blinkers.
[quote][p][bold]expatbull[/bold] wrote: FOR SALE Blinkers for shortsighted city fans who think they are safe from financial ruin....[/p][/quote]I think you'll find you are 10 years out of date with those blinkers. BD16
  • Score: 0

2:33pm Fri 27 Apr 12

Wots up says...

Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:
Sheffieldbull wrote:
Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:
Ban you from the super league franschise and expunge results to date.
Prisoner, stick to what you think you know about, there's a good chap!
""If the Bulls stop paying rent to the RFL, who are locked into a lease with the Council, what would the RFL do?"""

So if they didn't remove the Bulls franchise share and expunge their results what would they do? Alllow them to carry on cheating, not live within their means? Enlightenment would be appreciated if I don't have the correct take on what happens when a RL club folds or fails to satisfy it's legal commitments.

This has happened in football previously, BPA being the most notable for this discussion purposes and Maidstone Utd being the most recent to be banished for failure to comply with all necessary aspects of being part of a working league scenario.

If the Bulls cannot cover their expenses, they need to play the kids and lose the pros, as City had to do twice over during our demise in recent years.
Wouldn't RFL just offer to walk away from the lease. I am sure the council would offer the RFL part of the tipping rights. Not the ideal situation for me personally because I do have concerns about playing at VP which have already been mentioned by other posters.
[quote][p][bold]Prisoner Cell Block A[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sheffieldbull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Prisoner Cell Block A[/bold] wrote: Ban you from the super league franschise and expunge results to date.[/p][/quote]Prisoner, stick to what you think you know about, there's a good chap![/p][/quote]""If the Bulls stop paying rent to the RFL, who are locked into a lease with the Council, what would the RFL do?""" So if they didn't remove the Bulls franchise share and expunge their results what would they do? Alllow them to carry on cheating, not live within their means? Enlightenment would be appreciated if I don't have the correct take on what happens when a RL club folds or fails to satisfy it's legal commitments. This has happened in football previously, BPA being the most notable for this discussion purposes and Maidstone Utd being the most recent to be banished for failure to comply with all necessary aspects of being part of a working league scenario. If the Bulls cannot cover their expenses, they need to play the kids and lose the pros, as City had to do twice over during our demise in recent years.[/p][/quote]Wouldn't RFL just offer to walk away from the lease. I am sure the council would offer the RFL part of the tipping rights. Not the ideal situation for me personally because I do have concerns about playing at VP which have already been mentioned by other posters. Wots up
  • Score: 0

2:38pm Fri 27 Apr 12

david cowling says...

I suspect many of the opposition to this proposal are under the age of 25/30. They can possibly remember the Bantams being in the Premier League and the Bulls playing for the World Club Title. What they do not remember and cannot see now, is that those glory days for both clubs are mere memories. Take your blinkers off and support the ground sharing scheme or before long both sets of fans will having nothing to support.
I suspect many of the opposition to this proposal are under the age of 25/30. They can possibly remember the Bantams being in the Premier League and the Bulls playing for the World Club Title. What they do not remember and cannot see now, is that those glory days for both clubs are mere memories. Take your blinkers off and support the ground sharing scheme or before long both sets of fans will having nothing to support. david cowling
  • Score: 0

2:38pm Fri 27 Apr 12

Sheffieldbull says...

Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:
Sheffieldbull wrote:
Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:
Ban you from the super league franschise and expunge results to date.
Prisoner, stick to what you think you know about, there's a good chap!
""If the Bulls stop paying rent to the RFL, who are locked into a lease with the Council, what would the RFL do?"""

So if they didn't remove the Bulls franchise share and expunge their results what would they do? Alllow them to carry on cheating, not live within their means? Enlightenment would be appreciated if I don't have the correct take on what happens when a RL club folds or fails to satisfy it's legal commitments.

This has happened in football previously, BPA being the most notable for this discussion purposes and Maidstone Utd being the most recent to be banished for failure to comply with all necessary aspects of being part of a working league scenario.

If the Bulls cannot cover their expenses, they need to play the kids and lose the pros, as City had to do twice over during our demise in recent years.
arrh! enlightenment - if only!, stick to insulting people, your crystal ball is only telling you what you think you need to know!
[quote][p][bold]Prisoner Cell Block A[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sheffieldbull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Prisoner Cell Block A[/bold] wrote: Ban you from the super league franschise and expunge results to date.[/p][/quote]Prisoner, stick to what you think you know about, there's a good chap![/p][/quote]""If the Bulls stop paying rent to the RFL, who are locked into a lease with the Council, what would the RFL do?""" So if they didn't remove the Bulls franchise share and expunge their results what would they do? Alllow them to carry on cheating, not live within their means? Enlightenment would be appreciated if I don't have the correct take on what happens when a RL club folds or fails to satisfy it's legal commitments. This has happened in football previously, BPA being the most notable for this discussion purposes and Maidstone Utd being the most recent to be banished for failure to comply with all necessary aspects of being part of a working league scenario. If the Bulls cannot cover their expenses, they need to play the kids and lose the pros, as City had to do twice over during our demise in recent years.[/p][/quote]arrh! enlightenment - if only!, stick to insulting people, your crystal ball is only telling you what you think you need to know! Sheffieldbull
  • Score: 0

2:46pm Fri 27 Apr 12

Reality50 says...

What about a third option and that is Bulls sharing with Bradford Park Avenue? Park Avenue are ambitious and maybe a new stadium should be built between the Bulls and Avenue.
What about a third option and that is Bulls sharing with Bradford Park Avenue? Park Avenue are ambitious and maybe a new stadium should be built between the Bulls and Avenue. Reality50
  • Score: 0

2:54pm Fri 27 Apr 12

Prisoner Cell Block A says...

thedragonwithonewing wrote:
Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:
Mick Gledhill wrote:
Laney1989 wrote:
"Music to my ears"
Been saying it for years but the stubborn "old-guard" at Odsal will NEVER allow it.
I'm sorry Christopher but why don't the 'stubborn Bradford City supporters' agree to share Odsal?

Valley Parade is simply an financial embarrassment that is slowly but surly eating away at Bradford City.
Maybe because we did cover our financial restraint last year by buying back one of the buildings, we aren't the ones that were dug out by the RFL and we haven't just gone to our fans cap in hand and asked for a million quid. And we don't want to play on a rubbish tip with miserbale horrible surrounding stands.

NEXT!
so bradford city never did collection buckets a few years when city almost went to the wall. Looking at from a non emotional side vp could not expand because of it been hemmed in by roads and houses, odsal is only blocked by rooley ave
Bradford City did do a fair few collections, fund raisers and all the same things the Bulls and their fans are trying now. That isn't the point in question, the point is why would we want to move to Odsal when we are covering our backsides 'ourselves' we had a realisation to continue as we were was negligible and did somethign about it. Last summer David Rhodes once again fronted a purchase for Bradford City by buying back one of the previously sold buildings we were leasing, this halved our commitment to the landlord immediately and brought us into a more viable financial position.

We had the chance to spend money on a player, 100k, did our homewoirk and decided it was bad business and money better spent elsewhere. HAs due dilligence been paid by the Bulls board? The Bulls appear to have a half decent side at present but if they are to stave off bankruptcy maybe one way is to forget this season, offload ( see what I did there) the high earners, pay their bills and finish the season with the cheaper members of the squad and the youth team. Bradford City did do that, BLINKERLESS, as we could not keep our better players and ultimately fell from the top league in world football to the 4th division in a small amount of time. We had to do this twice, not through the fault of the players or the fans but for financial reasons alone and these financial decisions meant we competed for the best part of ten season with lesser players than expected. But we still competed by lowering our ambitions for a while. We are now at the beginning again and hopefully we can raise our ambitions. It does appear the Bulls fans, like some City fans are still living in 2000 and want it all and want it now. You can't pay the best and compete if you can't afford it. You can't afford it. End of.
[quote][p][bold]thedragonwithonewing[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Prisoner Cell Block A[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mick Gledhill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Laney1989[/bold] wrote: "Music to my ears" Been saying it for years but the stubborn "old-guard" at Odsal will NEVER allow it.[/p][/quote]I'm sorry Christopher but why don't the 'stubborn Bradford City supporters' agree to share Odsal? Valley Parade is simply an financial embarrassment that is slowly but surly eating away at Bradford City.[/p][/quote]Maybe because we did cover our financial restraint last year by buying back one of the buildings, we aren't the ones that were dug out by the RFL and we haven't just gone to our fans cap in hand and asked for a million quid. And we don't want to play on a rubbish tip with miserbale horrible surrounding stands. NEXT![/p][/quote]so bradford city never did collection buckets a few years when city almost went to the wall. Looking at from a non emotional side vp could not expand because of it been hemmed in by roads and houses, odsal is only blocked by rooley ave[/p][/quote]Bradford City did do a fair few collections, fund raisers and all the same things the Bulls and their fans are trying now. That isn't the point in question, the point is why would we want to move to Odsal when we are covering our backsides 'ourselves' we had a realisation to continue as we were was negligible and did somethign about it. Last summer David Rhodes once again fronted a purchase for Bradford City by buying back one of the previously sold buildings we were leasing, this halved our commitment to the landlord immediately and brought us into a more viable financial position. We had the chance to spend money on a player, 100k, did our homewoirk and decided it was bad business and money better spent elsewhere. HAs due dilligence been paid by the Bulls board? The Bulls appear to have a half decent side at present but if they are to stave off bankruptcy maybe one way is to forget this season, offload ( see what I did there) the high earners, pay their bills and finish the season with the cheaper members of the squad and the youth team. Bradford City did do that, BLINKERLESS, as we could not keep our better players and ultimately fell from the top league in world football to the 4th division in a small amount of time. We had to do this twice, not through the fault of the players or the fans but for financial reasons alone and these financial decisions meant we competed for the best part of ten season with lesser players than expected. But we still competed by lowering our ambitions for a while. We are now at the beginning again and hopefully we can raise our ambitions. It does appear the Bulls fans, like some City fans are still living in 2000 and want it all and want it now. You can't pay the best and compete if you can't afford it. You can't afford it. End of. Prisoner Cell Block A
  • Score: 0

3:03pm Fri 27 Apr 12

t'old man says...

Have supported Northern/Bulls for nearly 40 years and to leave Odsal would be a wrench but at the end of the day the club comes first not the ground, after all look at Saints,Wigan,Hudders
field,Hull,Warringto
n,Salford and Widnes....they all have moved on from their spiritual homes, o.k the new ones might not have the atmosphere and character of the old ones but they have moved with the times, o.k VP might not be everybodys ideal choice but with there being little or no chance of Odsal being developed in the near future maybe we will have to bite the bullet and put our differences behind us for the the survival of the club....
Have supported Northern/Bulls for nearly 40 years and to leave Odsal would be a wrench but at the end of the day the club comes first not the ground, after all look at Saints,Wigan,Hudders field,Hull,Warringto n,Salford and Widnes....they all have moved on from their spiritual homes, o.k the new ones might not have the atmosphere and character of the old ones but they have moved with the times, o.k VP might not be everybodys ideal choice but with there being little or no chance of Odsal being developed in the near future maybe we will have to bite the bullet and put our differences behind us for the the survival of the club.... t'old man
  • Score: 0

3:04pm Fri 27 Apr 12

Bulls_chick says...

Butt out Ward, keep your nose out of it!
Butt out Ward, keep your nose out of it! Bulls_chick
  • Score: 0

3:14pm Fri 27 Apr 12

Prisoner Cell Block A says...

Sheffieldbull wrote:
Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:
Sheffieldbull wrote:
Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:
Ban you from the super league franschise and expunge results to date.
Prisoner, stick to what you think you know about, there's a good chap!
""If the Bulls stop paying rent to the RFL, who are locked into a lease with the Council, what would the RFL do?"""

So if they didn't remove the Bulls franchise share and expunge their results what would they do? Alllow them to carry on cheating, not live within their means? Enlightenment would be appreciated if I don't have the correct take on what happens when a RL club folds or fails to satisfy it's legal commitments.

This has happened in football previously, BPA being the most notable for this discussion purposes and Maidstone Utd being the most recent to be banished for failure to comply with all necessary aspects of being part of a working league scenario.

If the Bulls cannot cover their expenses, they need to play the kids and lose the pros, as City had to do twice over during our demise in recent years.
arrh! enlightenment - if only!, stick to insulting people, your crystal ball is only telling you what you think you need to know!
So you're clueless then?
Next!
[quote][p][bold]Sheffieldbull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Prisoner Cell Block A[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sheffieldbull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Prisoner Cell Block A[/bold] wrote: Ban you from the super league franschise and expunge results to date.[/p][/quote]Prisoner, stick to what you think you know about, there's a good chap![/p][/quote]""If the Bulls stop paying rent to the RFL, who are locked into a lease with the Council, what would the RFL do?""" So if they didn't remove the Bulls franchise share and expunge their results what would they do? Alllow them to carry on cheating, not live within their means? Enlightenment would be appreciated if I don't have the correct take on what happens when a RL club folds or fails to satisfy it's legal commitments. This has happened in football previously, BPA being the most notable for this discussion purposes and Maidstone Utd being the most recent to be banished for failure to comply with all necessary aspects of being part of a working league scenario. If the Bulls cannot cover their expenses, they need to play the kids and lose the pros, as City had to do twice over during our demise in recent years.[/p][/quote]arrh! enlightenment - if only!, stick to insulting people, your crystal ball is only telling you what you think you need to know![/p][/quote]So you're clueless then? Next! Prisoner Cell Block A
  • Score: 0

3:30pm Fri 27 Apr 12

Prisoner Cell Block A says...

I put my knowledge re football league and football league clubs being unable to fulfill their obligations, you have singularly failed to respond with anything near intelligent and if it was an attempt at humour you failed at that too. I am of the mind that any sporting league would look to do what the football league do in such situations, you either can or can't enlighten me/us. I'm guessing can't but you may yet prove me wrong. *taps fingers* *whistles* come on me flower, give me an answer.
I put my knowledge re football league and football league clubs being unable to fulfill their obligations, you have singularly failed to respond with anything near intelligent and if it was an attempt at humour you failed at that too. I am of the mind that any sporting league would look to do what the football league do in such situations, you either can or can't enlighten me/us. I'm guessing can't but you may yet prove me wrong. *taps fingers* *whistles* come on me flower, give me an answer. Prisoner Cell Block A
  • Score: 0

3:45pm Fri 27 Apr 12

Claytonbull says...

This old chestnut always raises its ugly head when either off the clubs seams to be in trouble.As a bulls fan of course I don't want to leave odsal but if it's a choice off rugby at vp or non at all I no which I would choose. I saw one off the best games of rugby at vp when we beat Leeds there with the late great Roy Powell scoring the winning try.No its not ideal for many a reason as odsal is not for football but both clubs can't keep stumbling along.Lets fans from both clubs get together and start supporting each other rather than name calling and support BRADFORD cos my god I think we need it.
This old chestnut always raises its ugly head when either off the clubs seams to be in trouble.As a bulls fan of course I don't want to leave odsal but if it's a choice off rugby at vp or non at all I no which I would choose. I saw one off the best games of rugby at vp when we beat Leeds there with the late great Roy Powell scoring the winning try.No its not ideal for many a reason as odsal is not for football but both clubs can't keep stumbling along.Lets fans from both clubs get together and start supporting each other rather than name calling and support BRADFORD cos my god I think we need it. Claytonbull
  • Score: 0

4:06pm Fri 27 Apr 12

theviking62 says...

Murphys'law, you are one bloody doom monger. Are we skint, do you know that for certain, have you got inside info that you are holding from the rest of the supporters, you know we are not getting any investment. No, you, like the rest of us, have no idea what's going to happen, so stop with the negative posts. We will all find out together, your posts and those of others are the reason rumours start. But if you do know more, why not share it with us. To all city posters one question, would you move to odsal. If the answer is no, state reasons why. I bet there very similar, to those of bulls supporters not wanting to go to vp. So let's put it to bed, once and for all. Don't feed the trolls.
Murphys'law, you are one bloody doom monger. Are we skint, do you know that for certain, have you got inside info that you are holding from the rest of the supporters, you know we are not getting any investment. No, you, like the rest of us, have no idea what's going to happen, so stop with the negative posts. We will all find out together, your posts and those of others are the reason rumours start. But if you do know more, why not share it with us. To all city posters one question, would you move to odsal. If the answer is no, state reasons why. I bet there very similar, to those of bulls supporters not wanting to go to vp. So let's put it to bed, once and for all. Don't feed the trolls. theviking62
  • Score: 0

4:15pm Fri 27 Apr 12

speakeroftruth says...

angry bradfordian wrote:
barbarian mike wrote:
Odsal is a superb and iconic venue. Stay there if we can! Don't know why this fella deems it fit for him to throw his opinion in!?
He's an MP who probably has constituents who are Bulls fans, so he's got a right to air his view. Which particular views do you disagree with? Even the most ardent Bulls fan would find it difficult to call Odsal 'superb' and the dwindling crowds are a testament to that- it's one of the worst 2 or 3 grounds in Super League.
how many 20,000 crowds have city pulled in recently?
[quote][p][bold]angry bradfordian[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]barbarian mike[/bold] wrote: Odsal is a superb and iconic venue. Stay there if we can! Don't know why this fella deems it fit for him to throw his opinion in!?[/p][/quote]He's an MP who probably has constituents who are Bulls fans, so he's got a right to air his view. Which particular views do you disagree with? Even the most ardent Bulls fan would find it difficult to call Odsal 'superb' and the dwindling crowds are a testament to that- it's one of the worst 2 or 3 grounds in Super League.[/p][/quote]how many 20,000 crowds have city pulled in recently? speakeroftruth
  • Score: 0

4:25pm Fri 27 Apr 12

Potter for the sack says...

It will never happen, just look at Bfd PA & City in the past. Egos prevented the teams amalgamating or ground sharing and BPA are now out of the old 4th division and now city are struggling in the same league. Then there was more money in Bfd, before the wollen industry collapsed and the mill owners buggered off with their spoils. Common sence does not prevail in these circumstances and it's far more complicated than we supporters are aware of and I would guess a permanant ground share will never happen, but never say never!
It will never happen, just look at Bfd PA & City in the past. Egos prevented the teams amalgamating or ground sharing and BPA are now out of the old 4th division and now city are struggling in the same league. Then there was more money in Bfd, before the wollen industry collapsed and the mill owners buggered off with their spoils. Common sence does not prevail in these circumstances and it's far more complicated than we supporters are aware of and I would guess a permanant ground share will never happen, but never say never! Potter for the sack
  • Score: 0

4:26pm Fri 27 Apr 12

Tricky Dicky says...

A650 wrote:
The Bulls couldn't afford to go to VP even if they wanted to. Ward should know this as the Bulls are contracted by the Council to stay there until 2019 or pay back millions of pounds of compensation.
Not if they go into administration but I stand to be corrected.
[quote][p][bold]A650[/bold] wrote: The Bulls couldn't afford to go to VP even if they wanted to. Ward should know this as the Bulls are contracted by the Council to stay there until 2019 or pay back millions of pounds of compensation.[/p][/quote]Not if they go into administration but I stand to be corrected. Tricky Dicky
  • Score: 0

4:34pm Fri 27 Apr 12

audal says...

try looking at hunslet then bramley in leeds whilst trying to get in at farsley celtic fc.=no go. then we have park avenue fc alongside Yorkshire county cricket club=no go. the latter being the most idiotic thing that Bradford council allowed themselves to get involved in. albeit no sport England in those days so no "Wembley of the north" for the northern(as was) county cricket was still played in to the eighties at park avenue and Bradford went off the radar some ten years earlier. my point being ? sport in this city as never been able to accommodate the demand for four first class teams.
try looking at hunslet then bramley in leeds whilst trying to get in at farsley celtic fc.=no go. then we have park avenue fc alongside Yorkshire county cricket club=no go. the latter being the most idiotic thing that Bradford council allowed themselves to get involved in. albeit no sport England in those days so no "Wembley of the north" for the northern(as was) county cricket was still played in to the eighties at park avenue and Bradford went off the radar some ten years earlier. my point being ? sport in this city as never been able to accommodate the demand for four first class teams. audal
  • Score: 0

4:34pm Fri 27 Apr 12

Prisoner Cell Block A says...

theviking62 wrote:
Murphys'law, you are one bloody doom monger. Are we skint, do you know that for certain, have you got inside info that you are holding from the rest of the supporters, you know we are not getting any investment. No, you, like the rest of us, have no idea what's going to happen, so stop with the negative posts. We will all find out together, your posts and those of others are the reason rumours start. But if you do know more, why not share it with us. To all city posters one question, would you move to odsal. If the answer is no, state reasons why. I bet there very similar, to those of bulls supporters not wanting to go to vp. So let's put it to bed, once and for all. Don't feed the trolls.
After the time spent there playing in the aftermath of the fire I would say a resounding no. It is a desolate, open area, odd cambers on the pitch, lacking in atmosphere even back then and we were doing fairly well. Leeds Road and Elland Road were both more suited to our needs and obviously were already set up for football, both on and off the pitch. We were thankful for the use in our time of need but the fact we chose to play out of the city more than we did at Odsal was due to the footballing side of things and not finances.
[quote][p][bold]theviking62[/bold] wrote: Murphys'law, you are one bloody doom monger. Are we skint, do you know that for certain, have you got inside info that you are holding from the rest of the supporters, you know we are not getting any investment. No, you, like the rest of us, have no idea what's going to happen, so stop with the negative posts. We will all find out together, your posts and those of others are the reason rumours start. But if you do know more, why not share it with us. To all city posters one question, would you move to odsal. If the answer is no, state reasons why. I bet there very similar, to those of bulls supporters not wanting to go to vp. So let's put it to bed, once and for all. Don't feed the trolls.[/p][/quote]After the time spent there playing in the aftermath of the fire I would say a resounding no. It is a desolate, open area, odd cambers on the pitch, lacking in atmosphere even back then and we were doing fairly well. Leeds Road and Elland Road were both more suited to our needs and obviously were already set up for football, both on and off the pitch. We were thankful for the use in our time of need but the fact we chose to play out of the city more than we did at Odsal was due to the footballing side of things and not finances. Prisoner Cell Block A
  • Score: 0

4:46pm Fri 27 Apr 12

Storck says...

Bulls_chick wrote:
Butt out Ward, keep your nose out of it!
Why do people keep saying it is nothing to do with Ward? Sutcliffe is always going on about Bulls, is this ok cos Odsal is on his patch? I thought the team was BRADFORD BULLS, not Bradford South(Odsal) Bulls. If it is a Bradford team then Ward has as much right to talk about them as an other Bradford MP.
[quote][p][bold]Bulls_chick[/bold] wrote: Butt out Ward, keep your nose out of it![/p][/quote]Why do people keep saying it is nothing to do with Ward? Sutcliffe is always going on about Bulls, is this ok cos Odsal is on his patch? I thought the team was BRADFORD BULLS, not Bradford South(Odsal) Bulls. If it is a Bradford team then Ward has as much right to talk about them as an other Bradford MP. Storck
  • Score: 0

4:55pm Fri 27 Apr 12

monobrow man says...

Both clubs could easily get out of there long term leases, bancruptcy and start again afresh. Would be a bit gutted as i paid my £100.
Both clubs could easily get out of there long term leases, bancruptcy and start again afresh. Would be a bit gutted as i paid my £100. monobrow man
  • Score: 0

4:56pm Fri 27 Apr 12

Prisoner Cell Block A says...

speakeroftruth wrote:
angry bradfordian wrote:
barbarian mike wrote:
Odsal is a superb and iconic venue. Stay there if we can! Don't know why this fella deems it fit for him to throw his opinion in!?
He's an MP who probably has constituents who are Bulls fans, so he's got a right to air his view. Which particular views do you disagree with? Even the most ardent Bulls fan would find it difficult to call Odsal 'superb' and the dwindling crowds are a testament to that- it's one of the worst 2 or 3 grounds in Super League.
how many 20,000 crowds have city pulled in recently?
When we were in the top division of our sport, topped it a few times and was running at an average of approx 18k.

How many fans would the Bulls be gettingif they were in the RFL equivalent of the 4th division? Not nearly 10k per week I'd hazard to guess.

Moot point.

Next!
[quote][p][bold]speakeroftruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]angry bradfordian[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]barbarian mike[/bold] wrote: Odsal is a superb and iconic venue. Stay there if we can! Don't know why this fella deems it fit for him to throw his opinion in!?[/p][/quote]He's an MP who probably has constituents who are Bulls fans, so he's got a right to air his view. Which particular views do you disagree with? Even the most ardent Bulls fan would find it difficult to call Odsal 'superb' and the dwindling crowds are a testament to that- it's one of the worst 2 or 3 grounds in Super League.[/p][/quote]how many 20,000 crowds have city pulled in recently?[/p][/quote]When we were in the top division of our sport, topped it a few times and was running at an average of approx 18k. How many fans would the Bulls be gettingif they were in the RFL equivalent of the 4th division? Not nearly 10k per week I'd hazard to guess. Moot point. Next! Prisoner Cell Block A
  • Score: 0

5:05pm Fri 27 Apr 12

billybobbull says...

Having just written an essay, only for it to disappear when I press submit, I will be brief. Odsal is a gem on the two busiest motorways in the country. Visitors feel safe.
VP is in the middle of the worst part of our city. Check the crime and poverty figures. Visitors see us at our worst. They are not safe, cannot be hosted well (no pubs) and their cars get screwed.
Odsal is one of the most accessible large grounds in the country where visitors feel safe (cold but safe) and deserves to be developed.
Idiots like Mr Ward should do more to sell the city in a good light and sell it best parts, rather than score points by selling the worst parts to gain out Asian votes in any future elections to try to beat GG
. Manningham is a dump. WE all know that. Clearly Mr Ward has not realised any of these things or maybe he does not care.

City (Manningham) fans have been arguing this VP v south Bradford rubbish since they were playing rugby. It is they who live in the past. I don't blame them, but I have one thing remind them of. You don't invite guests when your house is a back hole.! You keep them in the porch or front room!
Sorry..another essay! :)
Having just written an essay, only for it to disappear when I press submit, I will be brief. Odsal is a gem on the two busiest motorways in the country. Visitors feel safe. VP is in the middle of the worst part of our city. Check the crime and poverty figures. Visitors see us at our worst. They are not safe, cannot be hosted well (no pubs) and their cars get screwed. Odsal is one of the most accessible large grounds in the country where visitors feel safe (cold but safe) and deserves to be developed. Idiots like Mr Ward should do more to sell the city in a good light and sell it best parts, rather than score points by selling the worst parts to gain out Asian votes in any future elections to try to beat GG . Manningham is a dump. WE all know that. Clearly Mr Ward has not realised any of these things or maybe he does not care. City (Manningham) fans have been arguing this VP v south Bradford rubbish since they were playing rugby. It is they who live in the past. I don't blame them, but I have one thing remind them of. You don't invite guests when your house is a back hole.! You keep them in the porch or front room! Sorry..another essay! :) billybobbull
  • Score: 0

5:10pm Fri 27 Apr 12

Mumby was the best says...

Storck wrote:
Bulls_chick wrote:
Butt out Ward, keep your nose out of it!
Why do people keep saying it is nothing to do with Ward? Sutcliffe is always going on about Bulls, is this ok cos Odsal is on his patch? I thought the team was BRADFORD BULLS, not Bradford South(Odsal) Bulls. If it is a Bradford team then Ward has as much right to talk about them as an other Bradford MP.
Sutcliffe may go on about the Bulls but he is like all MP`s their noses only come out of the trough when there is something in it for themselves.
For heavens sake he was a sports minister in the last government what did he do for Bradford sport?
[quote][p][bold]Storck[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bulls_chick[/bold] wrote: Butt out Ward, keep your nose out of it![/p][/quote]Why do people keep saying it is nothing to do with Ward? Sutcliffe is always going on about Bulls, is this ok cos Odsal is on his patch? I thought the team was BRADFORD BULLS, not Bradford South(Odsal) Bulls. If it is a Bradford team then Ward has as much right to talk about them as an other Bradford MP.[/p][/quote]Sutcliffe may go on about the Bulls but he is like all MP`s their noses only come out of the trough when there is something in it for themselves. For heavens sake he was a sports minister in the last government what did he do for Bradford sport? Mumby was the best
  • Score: 0

5:11pm Fri 27 Apr 12

speakeroftruth says...

Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:
speakeroftruth wrote:
angry bradfordian wrote:
barbarian mike wrote:
Odsal is a superb and iconic venue. Stay there if we can! Don't know why this fella deems it fit for him to throw his opinion in!?
He's an MP who probably has constituents who are Bulls fans, so he's got a right to air his view. Which particular views do you disagree with? Even the most ardent Bulls fan would find it difficult to call Odsal 'superb' and the dwindling crowds are a testament to that- it's one of the worst 2 or 3 grounds in Super League.
how many 20,000 crowds have city pulled in recently?
When we were in the top division of our sport, topped it a few times and was running at an average of approx 18k.

How many fans would the Bulls be gettingif they were in the RFL equivalent of the 4th division? Not nearly 10k per week I'd hazard to guess.

Moot point.

Next!
My question was how many 20,000 crowds have bradford pulled in recently? not 12 years ago
and you have still failed to answer that
[quote][p][bold]Prisoner Cell Block A[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]speakeroftruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]angry bradfordian[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]barbarian mike[/bold] wrote: Odsal is a superb and iconic venue. Stay there if we can! Don't know why this fella deems it fit for him to throw his opinion in!?[/p][/quote]He's an MP who probably has constituents who are Bulls fans, so he's got a right to air his view. Which particular views do you disagree with? Even the most ardent Bulls fan would find it difficult to call Odsal 'superb' and the dwindling crowds are a testament to that- it's one of the worst 2 or 3 grounds in Super League.[/p][/quote]how many 20,000 crowds have city pulled in recently?[/p][/quote]When we were in the top division of our sport, topped it a few times and was running at an average of approx 18k. How many fans would the Bulls be gettingif they were in the RFL equivalent of the 4th division? Not nearly 10k per week I'd hazard to guess. Moot point. Next![/p][/quote]My question was how many 20,000 crowds have bradford pulled in recently? not 12 years ago and you have still failed to answer that speakeroftruth
  • Score: 0

5:27pm Fri 27 Apr 12

Potter for the sack says...

A few weeks ago against Leeds there was 20,821 supporters.
A few weeks ago against Leeds there was 20,821 supporters. Potter for the sack
  • Score: 0

5:30pm Fri 27 Apr 12

speakeroftruth says...

Potter for the sack wrote:
A few weeks ago against Leeds there was 20,821 supporters.
I mean how many have city pulled in
[quote][p][bold]Potter for the sack[/bold] wrote: A few weeks ago against Leeds there was 20,821 supporters.[/p][/quote]I mean how many have city pulled in speakeroftruth
  • Score: 0

6:02pm Fri 27 Apr 12

Prisoner Cell Block A says...

they haven't recently as well you know, and the only reason you are using that figure is due to the Bulls Leeds match. If the Bulls were playing Bramley in one of the lower leagues they'd be looking at figures under 1k not just under 10k.

Still a moot point. Not relevant, like the bulls in the near future if the club is run further into the ground.
they haven't recently as well you know, and the only reason you are using that figure is due to the Bulls Leeds match. If the Bulls were playing Bramley in one of the lower leagues they'd be looking at figures under 1k not just under 10k. Still a moot point. Not relevant, like the bulls in the near future if the club is run further into the ground. Prisoner Cell Block A
  • Score: 0

6:06pm Fri 27 Apr 12

spearmint wino says...

silverbantam wrote:
Totally agree but the only way it will work is if the Council buy the ground from Gibb so neither club owns the ground.
Why do the council need to buy VP off Gibb? Neither club own their own grounds now.
[quote][p][bold]silverbantam[/bold] wrote: Totally agree but the only way it will work is if the Council buy the ground from Gibb so neither club owns the ground.[/p][/quote]Why do the council need to buy VP off Gibb? Neither club own their own grounds now. spearmint wino
  • Score: 0

6:08pm Fri 27 Apr 12

billybobbull says...

I think it's obvious....develop (and market) the big 'black' hole on the door step, make it better and a Gateway.....or market the back hole and let everyone else see the dirt.

As Mr Ward added: “As long as the Bulls stay at Odsal they will always be just sticking plasters over things until the next crisis – it would be throwing good money after bad to stay there.

“Why not just bite the bullet on this one and recognise the economic realities? Whatever happens to Odsal will happen.

Read between the lines. 'As long as I can put sticking plasters over the plight of this city and not improve it for our children, I can get the votes from the voters who might otherswise vote GG...that's fine. I don't care how badly we make the city look. I will be sticking plasters overs this city as long as my party get votes. The long term (declining) financial situation of the city in terms of positive, incoming, forward thinking investment doesn't matter a jot. I need votes now... in West and East Bradford ( Manningham & Barkend/Leeds Road).

'Why not just bite the bullet,sell our prized asset and recognize the economic realities. Bradford (Odsal) is big bowl (hole) fill it full of rubbish and then fill the rest of Bardforddale too. We could sell it just to dump rubbish for the whole country.

“Why not just bite the bullet on this one and recognise the economic realities of the city do not matter? Whatever happens to Bardford will happen. I do not care, I am winning votes.

Mmmmm!!!!


The economic realities are this. The business worldwide needs forward thinking, easy quick access. Business moves fast.
Mmm I remember what people like Ward said when the M606 was built. ' Forward thinking, easy access, with near unlimited business industrial development close to the motorway system, with no complications for vistors of all kinds.'

Mr Ward (and others like him) should forget about the past and sell/market the city. The first welcome IS Odsal. Clearly not West Bradford !
More importantly NOT its MPs. Shame.
I think it's obvious....develop (and market) the big 'black' hole on the door step, make it better and a Gateway.....or market the back hole and let everyone else see the dirt. As Mr Ward added: “As long as the Bulls stay at Odsal they will always be just sticking plasters over things until the next crisis – it would be throwing good money after bad to stay there. “Why not just bite the bullet on this one and recognise the economic realities? Whatever happens to Odsal will happen. Read between the lines. 'As long as I can put sticking plasters over the plight of this city and not improve it for our children, I can get the votes from the voters who might otherswise vote GG...that's fine. I don't care how badly we make the city look. I will be sticking plasters overs this city as long as my party get votes. The long term (declining) financial situation of the city in terms of positive, incoming, forward thinking investment doesn't matter a jot. I need votes now... in West and East Bradford ( Manningham & Barkend/Leeds Road). 'Why not just bite the bullet,sell our prized asset and recognize the economic realities. Bradford (Odsal) is big bowl (hole) fill it full of rubbish and then fill the rest of Bardforddale too. We could sell it just to dump rubbish for the whole country. “Why not just bite the bullet on this one and recognise the economic realities of the city do not matter? Whatever happens to Bardford will happen. I do not care, I am winning votes. Mmmmm!!!! The economic realities are this. The business worldwide needs forward thinking, easy quick access. Business moves fast. Mmm I remember what people like Ward said when the M606 was built. ' Forward thinking, easy access, with near unlimited business industrial development close to the motorway system, with no complications for vistors of all kinds.' Mr Ward (and others like him) should forget about the past and sell/market the city. The first welcome IS Odsal. Clearly not West Bradford ! More importantly NOT its MPs. Shame. billybobbull
  • Score: 0

6:17pm Fri 27 Apr 12

eebygum says...

Mr Ward the city pitch can't cope with 30 games of football a season. Where's the money coming from for a pitch suitable for playing 3 games a week when the matches overlap. It's good to see Mr Ward is concerned about the finances of both clubs but could that be to do with a local by election and the recent whitewash by the respect party. Where were you when B.C.F.C were unable to get Gibb to lower the rent? I suspect he now has his freeby holiday and excepted to another working committee.
Mr Ward the city pitch can't cope with 30 games of football a season. Where's the money coming from for a pitch suitable for playing 3 games a week when the matches overlap. It's good to see Mr Ward is concerned about the finances of both clubs but could that be to do with a local by election and the recent whitewash by the respect party. Where were you when B.C.F.C were unable to get Gibb to lower the rent? I suspect he now has his freeby holiday and excepted to another working committee. eebygum
  • Score: 0

6:18pm Fri 27 Apr 12

spearmint wino says...

speakeroftruth wrote:
Potter for the sack wrote:
A few weeks ago against Leeds there was 20,821 supporters.
I mean how many have city pulled in
There wouldn't have been anywhere near that figure if the
Bulls hadn't have had the begging bowl out though would they?
Don't forget that the Bulls are supposed to be a top team in a sport where the majority of the rivals are within a 50 mile radius, whereas City are in the 4th division with a lot of southern bases teams. When they get up a division or two crowds will increase from the 10k now to 13k or so.
[quote][p][bold]speakeroftruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Potter for the sack[/bold] wrote: A few weeks ago against Leeds there was 20,821 supporters.[/p][/quote]I mean how many have city pulled in[/p][/quote]There wouldn't have been anywhere near that figure if the Bulls hadn't have had the begging bowl out though would they? Don't forget that the Bulls are supposed to be a top team in a sport where the majority of the rivals are within a 50 mile radius, whereas City are in the 4th division with a lot of southern bases teams. When they get up a division or two crowds will increase from the 10k now to 13k or so. spearmint wino
  • Score: 0

6:20pm Fri 27 Apr 12

speakeroftruth says...

Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:
they haven't recently as well you know, and the only reason you are using that figure is due to the Bulls Leeds match. If the Bulls were playing Bramley in one of the lower leagues they'd be looking at figures under 1k not just under 10k.

Still a moot point. Not relevant, like the bulls in the near future if the club is run further into the ground.
they are ifs the stark reality is that Bulls are a better team than City in their respective fields.Bulls have higher attendances than City do at the moment.when you go to vp it is flat and not exactly a safe place to leave your car,at odsal you usually get very good atmospheres and it is an easy and accessible venue to visit
[quote][p][bold]Prisoner Cell Block A[/bold] wrote: they haven't recently as well you know, and the only reason you are using that figure is due to the Bulls Leeds match. If the Bulls were playing Bramley in one of the lower leagues they'd be looking at figures under 1k not just under 10k. Still a moot point. Not relevant, like the bulls in the near future if the club is run further into the ground.[/p][/quote]they are ifs the stark reality is that Bulls are a better team than City in their respective fields.Bulls have higher attendances than City do at the moment.when you go to vp it is flat and not exactly a safe place to leave your car,at odsal you usually get very good atmospheres and it is an easy and accessible venue to visit speakeroftruth
  • Score: 0

6:23pm Fri 27 Apr 12

eebygum says...

Plus I pity the poor Bulls fans having to fork out parking fines from over zealous wardens. Football and Rugby is played on different length of grass so it would be difficult to please both parties.
Plus I pity the poor Bulls fans having to fork out parking fines from over zealous wardens. Football and Rugby is played on different length of grass so it would be difficult to please both parties. eebygum
  • Score: 0

6:29pm Fri 27 Apr 12

eebygum says...

cdorran wrote:
Doesnt Odsal have terraces? City wouldnt be able to move to a ground that have terraces (at least if they have any amition of getting promoted) because football stadiums at league 1 and above have to be all seater dont they? So for city to move to odsal they would need to change it into an all seater which would cost a fair bit wouldnt it? I also have some serious concerns about how the bulls are run, is the money that they are raising just going on paying bills or is it to guarantee the long term future of the club? I think that a ground share is probably for the best and unless Odsal can be developed a bit (which it counldnt given the bulls' money troubles) then VP would have to be the best option
When City played at Odsal there was standing areas there but then their was not the Hyersal or Hillsboro disasters. It would be as it were in the season when the Bulls moved to Valley Parade all seater.
[quote][p][bold]cdorran[/bold] wrote: Doesnt Odsal have terraces? City wouldnt be able to move to a ground that have terraces (at least if they have any amition of getting promoted) because football stadiums at league 1 and above have to be all seater dont they? So for city to move to odsal they would need to change it into an all seater which would cost a fair bit wouldnt it? I also have some serious concerns about how the bulls are run, is the money that they are raising just going on paying bills or is it to guarantee the long term future of the club? I think that a ground share is probably for the best and unless Odsal can be developed a bit (which it counldnt given the bulls' money troubles) then VP would have to be the best option[/p][/quote]When City played at Odsal there was standing areas there but then their was not the Hyersal or Hillsboro disasters. It would be as it were in the season when the Bulls moved to Valley Parade all seater. eebygum
  • Score: 0

6:31pm Fri 27 Apr 12

raisemeup says...

No disrespect to City, but I've been there, done that and dont want to wear the t-shirt again. I found myself dreading every match. Traffic, parking, and the feeling of not belonging... No I wont be going.Female perspective
No disrespect to City, but I've been there, done that and dont want to wear the t-shirt again. I found myself dreading every match. Traffic, parking, and the feeling of not belonging... No I wont be going.Female perspective raisemeup
  • Score: 0

6:31pm Fri 27 Apr 12

raisemeup says...

No disrespect to City, but I've been there, done that and dont want to wear the t-shirt again. I found myself dreading every match. Traffic, parking, and the feeling of not belonging... No I wont be going.Female perspective
No disrespect to City, but I've been there, done that and dont want to wear the t-shirt again. I found myself dreading every match. Traffic, parking, and the feeling of not belonging... No I wont be going.Female perspective raisemeup
  • Score: 0

6:35pm Fri 27 Apr 12

Prisoner Cell Block A says...

A better team in a better league achieved by not abiding by the rules, signing better players than they can afford, just cos it's capped doesn't mean you have to use the full allowance. So, yes, they are but by cheating and not covering their liabilities
A better team in a better league achieved by not abiding by the rules, signing better players than they can afford, just cos it's capped doesn't mean you have to use the full allowance. So, yes, they are but by cheating and not covering their liabilities Prisoner Cell Block A
  • Score: 0

6:37pm Fri 27 Apr 12

eebygum says...

prince35 wrote:
Another issue is there to many ego's at both clubs that wouldnt be prepared to either stand down or share power.
It would need one owner of the bulls and bradford cty with the council owning the stadium and charging an affordable rent.
Then at cty We have people that have invested funds into bradford cty.
They won't go quietly.
Massive finance and business men doing what's right for proffesional sport in this city , would be needed??
Both Clubs would be run as separate business's the problem would be having to change advertising boards and such. Another would be cost of maintaining the ground and franchise. Who would have the final say on what happens if such repairs are needed who stumps up?
[quote][p][bold]prince35[/bold] wrote: Another issue is there to many ego's at both clubs that wouldnt be prepared to either stand down or share power. It would need one owner of the bulls and bradford cty with the council owning the stadium and charging an affordable rent. Then at cty We have people that have invested funds into bradford cty. They won't go quietly. Massive finance and business men doing what's right for proffesional sport in this city , would be needed??[/p][/quote]Both Clubs would be run as separate business's the problem would be having to change advertising boards and such. Another would be cost of maintaining the ground and franchise. Who would have the final say on what happens if such repairs are needed who stumps up? eebygum
  • Score: 0

6:40pm Fri 27 Apr 12

billybobbull says...

This says it all...check David Wards's Facebook page and his 'Favourite Teams. I have just sent all the messges to Nick Clegg, The Daily Telegraph & The Times, just to prove what type of people what we have as MPs! What a numpty!

David Ward for Culture Secretary!!!!!!!! ? NOT

http://en-gb.faceboo
k.com/davidwardmp
This says it all...check David Wards's Facebook page and his 'Favourite Teams. I have just sent all the messges to Nick Clegg, The Daily Telegraph & The Times, just to prove what type of people what we have as MPs! What a numpty! David Ward for Culture Secretary!!!!!!!! ? NOT http://en-gb.faceboo k.com/davidwardmp billybobbull
  • Score: 0

6:44pm Fri 27 Apr 12

speakeroftruth says...

Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:
A better team in a better league achieved by not abiding by the rules, signing better players than they can afford, just cos it's capped doesn't mean you have to use the full allowance. So, yes, they are but by cheating and not covering their liabilities
if you think that it is just us who were over salary cap then just look around the table and see wigan,warrington,hud
dersfield,leedsand hull and the players they have.
[quote][p][bold]Prisoner Cell Block A[/bold] wrote: A better team in a better league achieved by not abiding by the rules, signing better players than they can afford, just cos it's capped doesn't mean you have to use the full allowance. So, yes, they are but by cheating and not covering their liabilities[/p][/quote]if you think that it is just us who were over salary cap then just look around the table and see wigan,warrington,hud dersfield,leedsand hull and the players they have. speakeroftruth
  • Score: 0

6:52pm Fri 27 Apr 12

billybobbull says...

It's gets better....(worse for Mr Ward) . Check his alleged history. (Wikipeidia exclaimer accepted)

' Early life

He attended Boston Grammar School in Boston, Lincolnshire. He has an MBA and MPhil from the University of Bradford, and an MSc from the University of Leicester.

Ward qualified as an accountant and worked in Local Government for 8 years. From 1985 he worked at Leeds Metropolitan University as a Principal Lecturer and Business Development Manager until 2004 when he was seconded from the University to work at Bradford City Football Club helping the club develop its community activities. He was a Liberal Democrat Councillor on Bradford City Council for Idle and Thackley from 1984 until his election to Parliament in 2010.

Parliamentary career

Ward was the Liberal Democrat candidate at the Bradford North by-election in 1990, and after his defeat he stood again in Bradford North at the general elections in 1992, 2001 and 2005.

In 2005, he came second, 3,500 votes behind the sitting Labour Party MP Terry Rooney. Bradford North was abolished in boundary changes for the general election in May 2010, when he won the new Bradford East seat with a majority of 365 votes over Rooney, becoming Bradford's only Liberal Democrat MP.

Either no shame...or just stupid! Or a very naive good ........sorry I'ma Bradford lad. It does not wash with me.!

Sign him up for James' Murdoch's job!
It's gets better....(worse for Mr Ward) . Check his alleged history. (Wikipeidia exclaimer accepted) ' Early life He attended Boston Grammar School in Boston, Lincolnshire. He has an MBA and MPhil from the University of Bradford, and an MSc from the University of Leicester. Ward qualified as an accountant and worked in Local Government for 8 years. From 1985 he worked at Leeds Metropolitan University as a Principal Lecturer and Business Development Manager until 2004 when he was seconded from the University to work at Bradford City Football Club helping the club develop its community activities. He was a Liberal Democrat Councillor on Bradford City Council for Idle and Thackley from 1984 until his election to Parliament in 2010. [edit] Parliamentary career Ward was the Liberal Democrat candidate at the Bradford North by-election in 1990, and after his defeat he stood again in Bradford North at the general elections in 1992, 2001 and 2005. In 2005, he came second, 3,500 votes behind the sitting Labour Party MP Terry Rooney. Bradford North was abolished in boundary changes for the general election in May 2010, when he won the new Bradford East seat with a majority of 365 votes over Rooney, becoming Bradford's only Liberal Democrat MP. Either no shame...or just stupid! Or a very naive good ........sorry I'ma Bradford lad. It does not wash with me.! Sign him up for James' Murdoch's job! billybobbull
  • Score: 0

6:58pm Fri 27 Apr 12

eebygum says...

There is another argument that Mr Ward has failed to mention and it is If City fail to buy back the ground from Gibb and develop Odsal both City and the Bulls are trapped in the Gibb pension fund black hole. Where does it end rising rent lower crowds Oblivion.
There is another argument that Mr Ward has failed to mention and it is If City fail to buy back the ground from Gibb and develop Odsal both City and the Bulls are trapped in the Gibb pension fund black hole. Where does it end rising rent lower crowds Oblivion. eebygum
  • Score: 0

6:58pm Fri 27 Apr 12

Mumby was the best says...

Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:
A better team in a better league achieved by not abiding by the rules, signing better players than they can afford, just cos it's capped doesn't mean you have to use the full allowance. So, yes, they are but by cheating and not covering their liabilities
A bit of pot calling kettle black saying signing players better than they can afford. Correct me but City might not be so far down the football ladder if when they were up there they had not squandered money on the likes of Carbone, Collymore and others who soon had to be got rid of when they dropped out of the premiership.
[quote][p][bold]Prisoner Cell Block A[/bold] wrote: A better team in a better league achieved by not abiding by the rules, signing better players than they can afford, just cos it's capped doesn't mean you have to use the full allowance. So, yes, they are but by cheating and not covering their liabilities[/p][/quote]A bit of pot calling kettle black saying signing players better than they can afford. Correct me but City might not be so far down the football ladder if when they were up there they had not squandered money on the likes of Carbone, Collymore and others who soon had to be got rid of when they dropped out of the premiership. Mumby was the best
  • Score: 0

7:03pm Fri 27 Apr 12

eebygum says...

Mumby was the best wrote:
Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:
A better team in a better league achieved by not abiding by the rules, signing better players than they can afford, just cos it's capped doesn't mean you have to use the full allowance. So, yes, they are but by cheating and not covering their liabilities
A bit of pot calling kettle black saying signing players better than they can afford. Correct me but City might not be so far down the football ladder if when they were up there they had not squandered money on the likes of Carbone, Collymore and others who soon had to be got rid of when they dropped out of the premiership.
Both arguments are true but the point is Why would Mr Gibb sell VP back to the club or any other his family pension fund has found a golden goose why kill it?
[quote][p][bold]Mumby was the best[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Prisoner Cell Block A[/bold] wrote: A better team in a better league achieved by not abiding by the rules, signing better players than they can afford, just cos it's capped doesn't mean you have to use the full allowance. So, yes, they are but by cheating and not covering their liabilities[/p][/quote]A bit of pot calling kettle black saying signing players better than they can afford. Correct me but City might not be so far down the football ladder if when they were up there they had not squandered money on the likes of Carbone, Collymore and others who soon had to be got rid of when they dropped out of the premiership.[/p][/quote]Both arguments are true but the point is Why would Mr Gibb sell VP back to the club or any other his family pension fund has found a golden goose why kill it? eebygum
  • Score: 0

7:04pm Fri 27 Apr 12

Nickloza says...

speakeroftruth wrote:
Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:
they haven't recently as well you know, and the only reason you are using that figure is due to the Bulls Leeds match. If the Bulls were playing Bramley in one of the lower leagues they'd be looking at figures under 1k not just under 10k.

Still a moot point. Not relevant, like the bulls in the near future if the club is run further into the ground.
they are ifs the stark reality is that Bulls are a better team than City in their respective fields.Bulls have higher attendances than City do at the moment.when you go to vp it is flat and not exactly a safe place to leave your car,at odsal you usually get very good atmospheres and it is an easy and accessible venue to visit
Good atmosphere at Odsal? You're having a laugh and as for City not being safe it's absolute boll***s what do base that on? You make it up as you go along there's only one real division in RL and then you can't be relegated so how can you compare the two? The bulls aren't even one of the better sides anymore!
[quote][p][bold]speakeroftruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Prisoner Cell Block A[/bold] wrote: they haven't recently as well you know, and the only reason you are using that figure is due to the Bulls Leeds match. If the Bulls were playing Bramley in one of the lower leagues they'd be looking at figures under 1k not just under 10k. Still a moot point. Not relevant, like the bulls in the near future if the club is run further into the ground.[/p][/quote]they are ifs the stark reality is that Bulls are a better team than City in their respective fields.Bulls have higher attendances than City do at the moment.when you go to vp it is flat and not exactly a safe place to leave your car,at odsal you usually get very good atmospheres and it is an easy and accessible venue to visit[/p][/quote]Good atmosphere at Odsal? You're having a laugh and as for City not being safe it's absolute boll***s what do base that on? You make it up as you go along there's only one real division in RL and then you can't be relegated so how can you compare the two? The bulls aren't even one of the better sides anymore! Nickloza
  • Score: 0

7:10pm Fri 27 Apr 12

eebygum says...

Almost laughable Mr Ward from a party that is selling it's soul to the Devil and they sell the countries assets to all their cronies. Tory party prop appropriate words under the circumstances. (Rugby)
Almost laughable Mr Ward from a party that is selling it's soul to the Devil and they sell the countries assets to all their cronies. Tory party prop appropriate words under the circumstances. (Rugby) eebygum
  • Score: 0

7:22pm Fri 27 Apr 12

Prisoner Cell Block A says...

@mumby, I addressed that point, we couldn't afford to keep the players we had so had to move them on, this had two effects, one we didn't have the same quality so dropped and dropped. Two, some of those players were still being paid years later and this held the club back to the point we dropped further. We now are plying our trade in the 4th division through the fault of not living within our means. We didn't break a cap nor run up to a limit we couldn't afford at the time we did, this was a lack of foresight and no-one took into account that the wages would still be as much if we were relegated, we were and we also then had the collapse of ITV digital and the loss of the promised money which had already been budgeted. The Bulls have gone over their cap more than once and that isn't a lack of foresight, it is cheating trying to get the best and then not covering the other liabilities.
@mumby, I addressed that point, we couldn't afford to keep the players we had so had to move them on, this had two effects, one we didn't have the same quality so dropped and dropped. Two, some of those players were still being paid years later and this held the club back to the point we dropped further. We now are plying our trade in the 4th division through the fault of not living within our means. We didn't break a cap nor run up to a limit we couldn't afford at the time we did, this was a lack of foresight and no-one took into account that the wages would still be as much if we were relegated, we were and we also then had the collapse of ITV digital and the loss of the promised money which had already been budgeted. The Bulls have gone over their cap more than once and that isn't a lack of foresight, it is cheating trying to get the best and then not covering the other liabilities. Prisoner Cell Block A
  • Score: 0

7:26pm Fri 27 Apr 12

Writer says...

raisemeup wrote:
No disrespect to City, but I've been there, done that and dont want to wear the t-shirt again. I found myself dreading every match. Traffic, parking, and the feeling of not belonging... No I wont be going.Female perspective
I agree entirely raisemeup, parking was difficult, not very pleasant areas when you did find somewhere to park. Stewards were like trained baboons, and there was no leg room in the main stand. An absolute dead loss. It's quite obvious that Ward is a City supporter and sees the Bulls as a means to assist them in their financial difficulties. I'm fed up of hearing folk moan about Odsal, there's nowt wrong with it, all it needs is some covered accommodation.

it's high time that this onoing debate about moving to VP was finally dropped.
[quote][p][bold]raisemeup[/bold] wrote: No disrespect to City, but I've been there, done that and dont want to wear the t-shirt again. I found myself dreading every match. Traffic, parking, and the feeling of not belonging... No I wont be going.Female perspective[/p][/quote]I agree entirely raisemeup, parking was difficult, not very pleasant areas when you did find somewhere to park. Stewards were like trained baboons, and there was no leg room in the main stand. An absolute dead loss. It's quite obvious that Ward is a City supporter and sees the Bulls as a means to assist them in their financial difficulties. I'm fed up of hearing folk moan about Odsal, there's nowt wrong with it, all it needs is some covered accommodation. it's high time that this onoing debate about moving to VP was finally dropped. Writer
  • Score: 0

7:29pm Fri 27 Apr 12

Jonbantam says...

speakeroftruth wrote:
Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:
speakeroftruth wrote:
angry bradfordian wrote:
barbarian mike wrote:
Odsal is a superb and iconic venue. Stay there if we can! Don't know why this fella deems it fit for him to throw his opinion in!?
He's an MP who probably has constituents who are Bulls fans, so he's got a right to air his view. Which particular views do you disagree with? Even the most ardent Bulls fan would find it difficult to call Odsal 'superb' and the dwindling crowds are a testament to that- it's one of the worst 2 or 3 grounds in Super League.
how many 20,000 crowds have city pulled in recently?
When we were in the top division of our sport, topped it a few times and was running at an average of approx 18k.

How many fans would the Bulls be gettingif they were in the RFL equivalent of the 4th division? Not nearly 10k per week I'd hazard to guess.

Moot point.

Next!
My question was how many 20,000 crowds have bradford pulled in recently? not 12 years ago
and you have still failed to answer that
Bradford City have an average attendance of 10026 for this season and a quick look on the Bulls website I wouldn`t be too chirpy as bar 3 games the attendance has been sub 10000. City also had over 17000 this season playing Hereford which is much further away than our nearest and dearest with a huge marketing ploy threatening that it would be the last game. The bigger picture here is a huge concern for Bradfordians following their respective teams because we can all have petty squabbles and throw in parking, travel and I do not have a clue why race should come into any sporting debate in 2012. The facts do not lie Bradford City are not the wealthiest club and the Bulls are sadly at present on their backsides and I am not even a bulls fan but still pledged £100 because I have been to the bulls in the past and enjoyed some great games. The sporting public of Bradford need to stop the petty squabbling and move forward a la Hull, Wigan, Huddersfield etc and ensure sport continues in this City as attendances do not win trophies and until both teams can generate good revenue streams we will both be languishing in the lower parts of our respective leagues. Fan power is impressive as both clubs have been saved in the past by the supporters. Grow up and face facts we may not want to play with each others toys but the future is both clubs sharing the same stadium generate revenue for both and putting Bradford sport back on the map as I would rather watch my team in any ground than not have a team at all!
[quote][p][bold]speakeroftruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Prisoner Cell Block A[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]speakeroftruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]angry bradfordian[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]barbarian mike[/bold] wrote: Odsal is a superb and iconic venue. Stay there if we can! Don't know why this fella deems it fit for him to throw his opinion in!?[/p][/quote]He's an MP who probably has constituents who are Bulls fans, so he's got a right to air his view. Which particular views do you disagree with? Even the most ardent Bulls fan would find it difficult to call Odsal 'superb' and the dwindling crowds are a testament to that- it's one of the worst 2 or 3 grounds in Super League.[/p][/quote]how many 20,000 crowds have city pulled in recently?[/p][/quote]When we were in the top division of our sport, topped it a few times and was running at an average of approx 18k. How many fans would the Bulls be gettingif they were in the RFL equivalent of the 4th division? Not nearly 10k per week I'd hazard to guess. Moot point. Next![/p][/quote]My question was how many 20,000 crowds have bradford pulled in recently? not 12 years ago and you have still failed to answer that[/p][/quote]Bradford City have an average attendance of 10026 for this season and a quick look on the Bulls website I wouldn`t be too chirpy as bar 3 games the attendance has been sub 10000. City also had over 17000 this season playing Hereford which is much further away than our nearest and dearest with a huge marketing ploy threatening that it would be the last game. The bigger picture here is a huge concern for Bradfordians following their respective teams because we can all have petty squabbles and throw in parking, travel and I do not have a clue why race should come into any sporting debate in 2012. The facts do not lie Bradford City are not the wealthiest club and the Bulls are sadly at present on their backsides and I am not even a bulls fan but still pledged £100 because I have been to the bulls in the past and enjoyed some great games. The sporting public of Bradford need to stop the petty squabbling and move forward a la Hull, Wigan, Huddersfield etc and ensure sport continues in this City as attendances do not win trophies and until both teams can generate good revenue streams we will both be languishing in the lower parts of our respective leagues. Fan power is impressive as both clubs have been saved in the past by the supporters. Grow up and face facts we may not want to play with each others toys but the future is both clubs sharing the same stadium generate revenue for both and putting Bradford sport back on the map as I would rather watch my team in any ground than not have a team at all! Jonbantam
  • Score: 0

7:30pm Fri 27 Apr 12

Mumby was the best says...

Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:
@mumby, I addressed that point, we couldn't afford to keep the players we had so had to move them on, this had two effects, one we didn't have the same quality so dropped and dropped. Two, some of those players were still being paid years later and this held the club back to the point we dropped further. We now are plying our trade in the 4th division through the fault of not living within our means. We didn't break a cap nor run up to a limit we couldn't afford at the time we did, this was a lack of foresight and no-one took into account that the wages would still be as much if we were relegated, we were and we also then had the collapse of ITV digital and the loss of the promised money which had already been budgeted. The Bulls have gone over their cap more than once and that isn't a lack of foresight, it is cheating trying to get the best and then not covering the other liabilities.
But football does not have a cap to exceed! A lot of people believe it should have tho!
Plus like your overspending our cheating was done a while ago with a different chairman who now wants to return. Knowing what you know would you welcome Richmond back with open arms?
[quote][p][bold]Prisoner Cell Block A[/bold] wrote: @mumby, I addressed that point, we couldn't afford to keep the players we had so had to move them on, this had two effects, one we didn't have the same quality so dropped and dropped. Two, some of those players were still being paid years later and this held the club back to the point we dropped further. We now are plying our trade in the 4th division through the fault of not living within our means. We didn't break a cap nor run up to a limit we couldn't afford at the time we did, this was a lack of foresight and no-one took into account that the wages would still be as much if we were relegated, we were and we also then had the collapse of ITV digital and the loss of the promised money which had already been budgeted. The Bulls have gone over their cap more than once and that isn't a lack of foresight, it is cheating trying to get the best and then not covering the other liabilities.[/p][/quote]But football does not have a cap to exceed! A lot of people believe it should have tho! Plus like your overspending our cheating was done a while ago with a different chairman who now wants to return. Knowing what you know would you welcome Richmond back with open arms? Mumby was the best
  • Score: 0

7:34pm Fri 27 Apr 12

eebygum says...

helloodsal wrote:
caribouk wrote:
Surely ground sharing at Odsal would be better? Valley Parade is not the best place to get to and from and has no potential for further development, whereas Odsal has great transport links and could easily be developed to provide additional income streams. Can't see what its got to do with this fella though!
since when does odsal have better transport links than valley parade? fair enough its next to the motorway but valley parade has a train link, numerous bus links to the city centre and its sandwiched between two main roads in and out of the city.
Train link from one direction helloodsal? Is why Mr Ward and his cronies need to look at a through railway link and railway station at the Midland road. It would save fans having to drive up through Bradford. Parking is bad at both grounds so that would relieve the amount of parked cars with the Low Moor station in operation.
[quote][p][bold]helloodsal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]caribouk[/bold] wrote: Surely ground sharing at Odsal would be better? Valley Parade is not the best place to get to and from and has no potential for further development, whereas Odsal has great transport links and could easily be developed to provide additional income streams. Can't see what its got to do with this fella though![/p][/quote]since when does odsal have better transport links than valley parade? fair enough its next to the motorway but valley parade has a train link, numerous bus links to the city centre and its sandwiched between two main roads in and out of the city.[/p][/quote]Train link from one direction helloodsal? Is why Mr Ward and his cronies need to look at a through railway link and railway station at the Midland road. It would save fans having to drive up through Bradford. Parking is bad at both grounds so that would relieve the amount of parked cars with the Low Moor station in operation. eebygum
  • Score: 0

7:38pm Fri 27 Apr 12

speakeroftruth says...

Nickloza wrote:
speakeroftruth wrote:
Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:
they haven't recently as well you know, and the only reason you are using that figure is due to the Bulls Leeds match. If the Bulls were playing Bramley in one of the lower leagues they'd be looking at figures under 1k not just under 10k.

Still a moot point. Not relevant, like the bulls in the near future if the club is run further into the ground.
they are ifs the stark reality is that Bulls are a better team than City in their respective fields.Bulls have higher attendances than City do at the moment.when you go to vp it is flat and not exactly a safe place to leave your car,at odsal you usually get very good atmospheres and it is an easy and accessible venue to visit
Good atmosphere at Odsal? You're having a laugh and as for City not being safe it's absolute boll***s what do base that on? You make it up as you go along there's only one real division in RL and then you can't be relegated so how can you compare the two? The bulls aren't even one of the better sides anymore!
VP is not situated near a nice place it is situated next to ghetto! and please do tell me how I make it up as I go along and what about the championship? and the atmosphere at odsal is often very good and I base that on being a season ticket holder so I think I know whether or not it has a good atmosphere when I am there every game.
[quote][p][bold]Nickloza[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]speakeroftruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Prisoner Cell Block A[/bold] wrote: they haven't recently as well you know, and the only reason you are using that figure is due to the Bulls Leeds match. If the Bulls were playing Bramley in one of the lower leagues they'd be looking at figures under 1k not just under 10k. Still a moot point. Not relevant, like the bulls in the near future if the club is run further into the ground.[/p][/quote]they are ifs the stark reality is that Bulls are a better team than City in their respective fields.Bulls have higher attendances than City do at the moment.when you go to vp it is flat and not exactly a safe place to leave your car,at odsal you usually get very good atmospheres and it is an easy and accessible venue to visit[/p][/quote]Good atmosphere at Odsal? You're having a laugh and as for City not being safe it's absolute boll***s what do base that on? You make it up as you go along there's only one real division in RL and then you can't be relegated so how can you compare the two? The bulls aren't even one of the better sides anymore![/p][/quote]VP is not situated near a nice place it is situated next to ghetto! and please do tell me how I make it up as I go along and what about the championship? and the atmosphere at odsal is often very good and I base that on being a season ticket holder so I think I know whether or not it has a good atmosphere when I am there every game. speakeroftruth
  • Score: 0

7:48pm Fri 27 Apr 12

Prisoner Cell Block A says...

@mumby, not in a million years. I didn't then, I worked for and played football with Julian Rhodes in those years and GR even borrowed the pot he * in.

After all this petty point scoring and squabbling we are no nearer any resolution and the post one or two up is one of the few decent ones today on the subject.

If the council were to be involved a full development of odsal would benefit both clubs. As they won't a bit of cash from both clubs could see VP developed for a fraction and make it a cheaper viable ground for both. Why the surrounding area is an issue I don't know and after 40 years of going to VP neither are the local residents and issue. Honestly. There arer also many small and medium sized car parks around at 3 quid a time too.

This all comes down to money which neither club has much of and the council are too short sighted to realise that 20k of their population attend this as a leisure pursuit and act accordingly by getting involved and making a one off payment to get both clubs on an even keel and ensuring 1st class sport continues in the city. The goodwill from successful sports teams does as much for the local economy as a massive horse bath.
@mumby, not in a million years. I didn't then, I worked for and played football with Julian Rhodes in those years and GR even borrowed the pot he * in. After all this petty point scoring and squabbling we are no nearer any resolution and the post one or two up is one of the few decent ones today on the subject. If the council were to be involved a full development of odsal would benefit both clubs. As they won't a bit of cash from both clubs could see VP developed for a fraction and make it a cheaper viable ground for both. Why the surrounding area is an issue I don't know and after 40 years of going to VP neither are the local residents and issue. Honestly. There arer also many small and medium sized car parks around at 3 quid a time too. This all comes down to money which neither club has much of and the council are too short sighted to realise that 20k of their population attend this as a leisure pursuit and act accordingly by getting involved and making a one off payment to get both clubs on an even keel and ensuring 1st class sport continues in the city. The goodwill from successful sports teams does as much for the local economy as a massive horse bath. Prisoner Cell Block A
  • Score: 0

7:48pm Fri 27 Apr 12

eebygum says...

Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:
theviking62 wrote:
Murphys'law, you are one bloody doom monger. Are we skint, do you know that for certain, have you got inside info that you are holding from the rest of the supporters, you know we are not getting any investment. No, you, like the rest of us, have no idea what's going to happen, so stop with the negative posts. We will all find out together, your posts and those of others are the reason rumours start. But if you do know more, why not share it with us. To all city posters one question, would you move to odsal. If the answer is no, state reasons why. I bet there very similar, to those of bulls supporters not wanting to go to vp. So let's put it to bed, once and for all. Don't feed the trolls.
After the time spent there playing in the aftermath of the fire I would say a resounding no. It is a desolate, open area, odd cambers on the pitch, lacking in atmosphere even back then and we were doing fairly well. Leeds Road and Elland Road were both more suited to our needs and obviously were already set up for football, both on and off the pitch. We were thankful for the use in our time of need but the fact we chose to play out of the city more than we did at Odsal was due to the footballing side of things and not finances.
I think you will find that we played most of our games at Odsal in the season away from VP we only played a few games at Hudders & Luuds. I for one would not want to move to Odsal in it's present state. It would need millions throwing at the problem to solve the stadium criteria that the football league require. Plus I believe that this is more to do with local elections rather than actually caring where the Bulls play or City for that matter. Where was Mr Ward when the rent tenure was a problem at VP?
[quote][p][bold]Prisoner Cell Block A[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]theviking62[/bold] wrote: Murphys'law, you are one bloody doom monger. Are we skint, do you know that for certain, have you got inside info that you are holding from the rest of the supporters, you know we are not getting any investment. No, you, like the rest of us, have no idea what's going to happen, so stop with the negative posts. We will all find out together, your posts and those of others are the reason rumours start. But if you do know more, why not share it with us. To all city posters one question, would you move to odsal. If the answer is no, state reasons why. I bet there very similar, to those of bulls supporters not wanting to go to vp. So let's put it to bed, once and for all. Don't feed the trolls.[/p][/quote]After the time spent there playing in the aftermath of the fire I would say a resounding no. It is a desolate, open area, odd cambers on the pitch, lacking in atmosphere even back then and we were doing fairly well. Leeds Road and Elland Road were both more suited to our needs and obviously were already set up for football, both on and off the pitch. We were thankful for the use in our time of need but the fact we chose to play out of the city more than we did at Odsal was due to the footballing side of things and not finances.[/p][/quote]I think you will find that we played most of our games at Odsal in the season away from VP we only played a few games at Hudders & Luuds. I for one would not want to move to Odsal in it's present state. It would need millions throwing at the problem to solve the stadium criteria that the football league require. Plus I believe that this is more to do with local elections rather than actually caring where the Bulls play or City for that matter. Where was Mr Ward when the rent tenure was a problem at VP? eebygum
  • Score: 0

7:55pm Fri 27 Apr 12

Adeybull says...

Jonbantam wrote:
speakeroftruth wrote:
Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:
speakeroftruth wrote:
angry bradfordian wrote:
barbarian mike wrote:
Odsal is a superb and iconic venue. Stay there if we can! Don't know why this fella deems it fit for him to throw his opinion in!?
He's an MP who probably has constituents who are Bulls fans, so he's got a right to air his view. Which particular views do you disagree with? Even the most ardent Bulls fan would find it difficult to call Odsal 'superb' and the dwindling crowds are a testament to that- it's one of the worst 2 or 3 grounds in Super League.
how many 20,000 crowds have city pulled in recently?
When we were in the top division of our sport, topped it a few times and was running at an average of approx 18k.

How many fans would the Bulls be gettingif they were in the RFL equivalent of the 4th division? Not nearly 10k per week I'd hazard to guess.

Moot point.

Next!
My question was how many 20,000 crowds have bradford pulled in recently? not 12 years ago
and you have still failed to answer that
Bradford City have an average attendance of 10026 for this season and a quick look on the Bulls website I wouldn`t be too chirpy as bar 3 games the attendance has been sub 10000. City also had over 17000 this season playing Hereford which is much further away than our nearest and dearest with a huge marketing ploy threatening that it would be the last game. The bigger picture here is a huge concern for Bradfordians following their respective teams because we can all have petty squabbles and throw in parking, travel and I do not have a clue why race should come into any sporting debate in 2012. The facts do not lie Bradford City are not the wealthiest club and the Bulls are sadly at present on their backsides and I am not even a bulls fan but still pledged £100 because I have been to the bulls in the past and enjoyed some great games. The sporting public of Bradford need to stop the petty squabbling and move forward a la Hull, Wigan, Huddersfield etc and ensure sport continues in this City as attendances do not win trophies and until both teams can generate good revenue streams we will both be languishing in the lower parts of our respective leagues. Fan power is impressive as both clubs have been saved in the past by the supporters. Grow up and face facts we may not want to play with each others toys but the future is both clubs sharing the same stadium generate revenue for both and putting Bradford sport back on the map as I would rather watch my team in any ground than not have a team at all!
Rubbish regarding Bulls gates this season.
.
Every SL game (Catalans, no away following) has been over 10k attendance. All bar one over 11k, and one over 20k. Average just under 13k.
.
[quote][p][bold]Jonbantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]speakeroftruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Prisoner Cell Block A[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]speakeroftruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]angry bradfordian[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]barbarian mike[/bold] wrote: Odsal is a superb and iconic venue. Stay there if we can! Don't know why this fella deems it fit for him to throw his opinion in!?[/p][/quote]He's an MP who probably has constituents who are Bulls fans, so he's got a right to air his view. Which particular views do you disagree with? Even the most ardent Bulls fan would find it difficult to call Odsal 'superb' and the dwindling crowds are a testament to that- it's one of the worst 2 or 3 grounds in Super League.[/p][/quote]how many 20,000 crowds have city pulled in recently?[/p][/quote]When we were in the top division of our sport, topped it a few times and was running at an average of approx 18k. How many fans would the Bulls be gettingif they were in the RFL equivalent of the 4th division? Not nearly 10k per week I'd hazard to guess. Moot point. Next![/p][/quote]My question was how many 20,000 crowds have bradford pulled in recently? not 12 years ago and you have still failed to answer that[/p][/quote]Bradford City have an average attendance of 10026 for this season and a quick look on the Bulls website I wouldn`t be too chirpy as bar 3 games the attendance has been sub 10000. City also had over 17000 this season playing Hereford which is much further away than our nearest and dearest with a huge marketing ploy threatening that it would be the last game. The bigger picture here is a huge concern for Bradfordians following their respective teams because we can all have petty squabbles and throw in parking, travel and I do not have a clue why race should come into any sporting debate in 2012. The facts do not lie Bradford City are not the wealthiest club and the Bulls are sadly at present on their backsides and I am not even a bulls fan but still pledged £100 because I have been to the bulls in the past and enjoyed some great games. The sporting public of Bradford need to stop the petty squabbling and move forward a la Hull, Wigan, Huddersfield etc and ensure sport continues in this City as attendances do not win trophies and until both teams can generate good revenue streams we will both be languishing in the lower parts of our respective leagues. Fan power is impressive as both clubs have been saved in the past by the supporters. Grow up and face facts we may not want to play with each others toys but the future is both clubs sharing the same stadium generate revenue for both and putting Bradford sport back on the map as I would rather watch my team in any ground than not have a team at all![/p][/quote]Rubbish regarding Bulls gates this season. . Every SL game (Catalans, no away following) has been over 10k attendance. All bar one over 11k, and one over 20k. Average just under 13k. . Adeybull
  • Score: 0

7:55pm Fri 27 Apr 12

Adeybull says...

Jonbantam wrote:
speakeroftruth wrote:
Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:
speakeroftruth wrote:
angry bradfordian wrote:
barbarian mike wrote:
Odsal is a superb and iconic venue. Stay there if we can! Don't know why this fella deems it fit for him to throw his opinion in!?
He's an MP who probably has constituents who are Bulls fans, so he's got a right to air his view. Which particular views do you disagree with? Even the most ardent Bulls fan would find it difficult to call Odsal 'superb' and the dwindling crowds are a testament to that- it's one of the worst 2 or 3 grounds in Super League.
how many 20,000 crowds have city pulled in recently?
When we were in the top division of our sport, topped it a few times and was running at an average of approx 18k.

How many fans would the Bulls be gettingif they were in the RFL equivalent of the 4th division? Not nearly 10k per week I'd hazard to guess.

Moot point.

Next!
My question was how many 20,000 crowds have bradford pulled in recently? not 12 years ago
and you have still failed to answer that
Bradford City have an average attendance of 10026 for this season and a quick look on the Bulls website I wouldn`t be too chirpy as bar 3 games the attendance has been sub 10000. City also had over 17000 this season playing Hereford which is much further away than our nearest and dearest with a huge marketing ploy threatening that it would be the last game. The bigger picture here is a huge concern for Bradfordians following their respective teams because we can all have petty squabbles and throw in parking, travel and I do not have a clue why race should come into any sporting debate in 2012. The facts do not lie Bradford City are not the wealthiest club and the Bulls are sadly at present on their backsides and I am not even a bulls fan but still pledged £100 because I have been to the bulls in the past and enjoyed some great games. The sporting public of Bradford need to stop the petty squabbling and move forward a la Hull, Wigan, Huddersfield etc and ensure sport continues in this City as attendances do not win trophies and until both teams can generate good revenue streams we will both be languishing in the lower parts of our respective leagues. Fan power is impressive as both clubs have been saved in the past by the supporters. Grow up and face facts we may not want to play with each others toys but the future is both clubs sharing the same stadium generate revenue for both and putting Bradford sport back on the map as I would rather watch my team in any ground than not have a team at all!
Rubbish regarding Bulls gates this season.
.
Every SL game (Catalans, no away following) has been over 10k attendance. All bar one over 11k, and one over 20k. Average just under 13k.
.
[quote][p][bold]Jonbantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]speakeroftruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Prisoner Cell Block A[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]speakeroftruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]angry bradfordian[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]barbarian mike[/bold] wrote: Odsal is a superb and iconic venue. Stay there if we can! Don't know why this fella deems it fit for him to throw his opinion in!?[/p][/quote]He's an MP who probably has constituents who are Bulls fans, so he's got a right to air his view. Which particular views do you disagree with? Even the most ardent Bulls fan would find it difficult to call Odsal 'superb' and the dwindling crowds are a testament to that- it's one of the worst 2 or 3 grounds in Super League.[/p][/quote]how many 20,000 crowds have city pulled in recently?[/p][/quote]When we were in the top division of our sport, topped it a few times and was running at an average of approx 18k. How many fans would the Bulls be gettingif they were in the RFL equivalent of the 4th division? Not nearly 10k per week I'd hazard to guess. Moot point. Next![/p][/quote]My question was how many 20,000 crowds have bradford pulled in recently? not 12 years ago and you have still failed to answer that[/p][/quote]Bradford City have an average attendance of 10026 for this season and a quick look on the Bulls website I wouldn`t be too chirpy as bar 3 games the attendance has been sub 10000. City also had over 17000 this season playing Hereford which is much further away than our nearest and dearest with a huge marketing ploy threatening that it would be the last game. The bigger picture here is a huge concern for Bradfordians following their respective teams because we can all have petty squabbles and throw in parking, travel and I do not have a clue why race should come into any sporting debate in 2012. The facts do not lie Bradford City are not the wealthiest club and the Bulls are sadly at present on their backsides and I am not even a bulls fan but still pledged £100 because I have been to the bulls in the past and enjoyed some great games. The sporting public of Bradford need to stop the petty squabbling and move forward a la Hull, Wigan, Huddersfield etc and ensure sport continues in this City as attendances do not win trophies and until both teams can generate good revenue streams we will both be languishing in the lower parts of our respective leagues. Fan power is impressive as both clubs have been saved in the past by the supporters. Grow up and face facts we may not want to play with each others toys but the future is both clubs sharing the same stadium generate revenue for both and putting Bradford sport back on the map as I would rather watch my team in any ground than not have a team at all![/p][/quote]Rubbish regarding Bulls gates this season. . Every SL game (Catalans, no away following) has been over 10k attendance. All bar one over 11k, and one over 20k. Average just under 13k. . Adeybull
  • Score: 0

8:01pm Fri 27 Apr 12

beardedclam says...

Adeybull wrote:
Jonbantam wrote:
speakeroftruth wrote:
Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:
speakeroftruth wrote:
angry bradfordian wrote:
barbarian mike wrote:
Odsal is a superb and iconic venue. Stay there if we can! Don't know why this fella deems it fit for him to throw his opinion in!?
He's an MP who probably has constituents who are Bulls fans, so he's got a right to air his view. Which particular views do you disagree with? Even the most ardent Bulls fan would find it difficult to call Odsal 'superb' and the dwindling crowds are a testament to that- it's one of the worst 2 or 3 grounds in Super League.
how many 20,000 crowds have city pulled in recently?
When we were in the top division of our sport, topped it a few times and was running at an average of approx 18k.

How many fans would the Bulls be gettingif they were in the RFL equivalent of the 4th division? Not nearly 10k per week I'd hazard to guess.

Moot point.

Next!
My question was how many 20,000 crowds have bradford pulled in recently? not 12 years ago
and you have still failed to answer that
Bradford City have an average attendance of 10026 for this season and a quick look on the Bulls website I wouldn`t be too chirpy as bar 3 games the attendance has been sub 10000. City also had over 17000 this season playing Hereford which is much further away than our nearest and dearest with a huge marketing ploy threatening that it would be the last game. The bigger picture here is a huge concern for Bradfordians following their respective teams because we can all have petty squabbles and throw in parking, travel and I do not have a clue why race should come into any sporting debate in 2012. The facts do not lie Bradford City are not the wealthiest club and the Bulls are sadly at present on their backsides and I am not even a bulls fan but still pledged £100 because I have been to the bulls in the past and enjoyed some great games. The sporting public of Bradford need to stop the petty squabbling and move forward a la Hull, Wigan, Huddersfield etc and ensure sport continues in this City as attendances do not win trophies and until both teams can generate good revenue streams we will both be languishing in the lower parts of our respective leagues. Fan power is impressive as both clubs have been saved in the past by the supporters. Grow up and face facts we may not want to play with each others toys but the future is both clubs sharing the same stadium generate revenue for both and putting Bradford sport back on the map as I would rather watch my team in any ground than not have a team at all!
Rubbish regarding Bulls gates this season.
.
Every SL game (Catalans, no away following) has been over 10k attendance. All bar one over 11k, and one over 20k. Average just under 13k.
.
Back to the actual point of the article, rather than idiots point scoring against each other. If the rents are shared 50/50 and makes the running costs cheaper for both clubs, it's a no brainer. Simple.
Muppets!
[quote][p][bold]Adeybull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jonbantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]speakeroftruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Prisoner Cell Block A[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]speakeroftruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]angry bradfordian[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]barbarian mike[/bold] wrote: Odsal is a superb and iconic venue. Stay there if we can! Don't know why this fella deems it fit for him to throw his opinion in!?[/p][/quote]He's an MP who probably has constituents who are Bulls fans, so he's got a right to air his view. Which particular views do you disagree with? Even the most ardent Bulls fan would find it difficult to call Odsal 'superb' and the dwindling crowds are a testament to that- it's one of the worst 2 or 3 grounds in Super League.[/p][/quote]how many 20,000 crowds have city pulled in recently?[/p][/quote]When we were in the top division of our sport, topped it a few times and was running at an average of approx 18k. How many fans would the Bulls be gettingif they were in the RFL equivalent of the 4th division? Not nearly 10k per week I'd hazard to guess. Moot point. Next![/p][/quote]My question was how many 20,000 crowds have bradford pulled in recently? not 12 years ago and you have still failed to answer that[/p][/quote]Bradford City have an average attendance of 10026 for this season and a quick look on the Bulls website I wouldn`t be too chirpy as bar 3 games the attendance has been sub 10000. City also had over 17000 this season playing Hereford which is much further away than our nearest and dearest with a huge marketing ploy threatening that it would be the last game. The bigger picture here is a huge concern for Bradfordians following their respective teams because we can all have petty squabbles and throw in parking, travel and I do not have a clue why race should come into any sporting debate in 2012. The facts do not lie Bradford City are not the wealthiest club and the Bulls are sadly at present on their backsides and I am not even a bulls fan but still pledged £100 because I have been to the bulls in the past and enjoyed some great games. The sporting public of Bradford need to stop the petty squabbling and move forward a la Hull, Wigan, Huddersfield etc and ensure sport continues in this City as attendances do not win trophies and until both teams can generate good revenue streams we will both be languishing in the lower parts of our respective leagues. Fan power is impressive as both clubs have been saved in the past by the supporters. Grow up and face facts we may not want to play with each others toys but the future is both clubs sharing the same stadium generate revenue for both and putting Bradford sport back on the map as I would rather watch my team in any ground than not have a team at all![/p][/quote]Rubbish regarding Bulls gates this season. . Every SL game (Catalans, no away following) has been over 10k attendance. All bar one over 11k, and one over 20k. Average just under 13k. .[/p][/quote]Back to the actual point of the article, rather than idiots point scoring against each other. If the rents are shared 50/50 and makes the running costs cheaper for both clubs, it's a no brainer. Simple. Muppets! beardedclam
  • Score: 0

8:11pm Fri 27 Apr 12

Prisoner Cell Block A says...

Read all the comments, you will see my reference, I do understand what you and others refer to but I would say that is what you think of the word. My reference was to monged out meaning spaced as the comment was not one to be taken from a sober or straight person. The residents around VP have never been an issue for BCAFC fans, they appear to be for many Bulls fans.
Read all the comments, you will see my reference, I do understand what you and others refer to but I would say that is what you think of the word. My reference was to monged out meaning spaced as the comment was not one to be taken from a sober or straight person. The residents around VP have never been an issue for BCAFC fans, they appear to be for many Bulls fans. Prisoner Cell Block A
  • Score: 0

8:17pm Fri 27 Apr 12

blacksheep says...

Before an agreement with Gibb was made over VP and there was a real chance we would have to leave VP, the thought of watching City anywhere else but VP made me feel sick.

But I would follow them if they played at Odsal, Park Avenue or bloody Eccleshill.

All you so called fans saying they would actually stop supporting the Bulls and would not go to watch them because they were playing at Valley Parade are pathetic!

What would you rather have? Bulls still playing in the Super League but at VP or no Bradford Bulls?!

So many Bulls fans are so small minded and pig headed it's not even funny.

You will need Valley Parade long before we need Odsal !!

For future reference: http://www.yorkshire
arl.co.uk/
Before an agreement with Gibb was made over VP and there was a real chance we would have to leave VP, the thought of watching City anywhere else but VP made me feel sick. But I would follow them if they played at Odsal, Park Avenue or bloody Eccleshill. All you so called fans saying they would actually stop supporting the Bulls and would not go to watch them because they were playing at Valley Parade are pathetic! What would you rather have? Bulls still playing in the Super League but at VP or no Bradford Bulls?! So many Bulls fans are so small minded and pig headed it's not even funny. You will need Valley Parade long before we need Odsal !! For future reference: http://www.yorkshire arl.co.uk/ blacksheep
  • Score: 0

8:21pm Fri 27 Apr 12

murphyslaw says...

theviking62 wrote:
Murphys'law, you are one bloody doom monger. Are we skint, do you know that for certain, have you got inside info that you are holding from the rest of the supporters, you know we are not getting any investment. No, you, like the rest of us, have no idea what's going to happen, so stop with the negative posts. We will all find out together, your posts and those of others are the reason rumours start. But if you do know more, why not share it with us. To all city posters one question, would you move to odsal. If the answer is no, state reasons why. I bet there very similar, to those of bulls supporters not wanting to go to vp. So let's put it to bed, once and for all. Don't feed the trolls.
Mr /Mrs Viking, the club is either skint or bent. They have just asked the fans to GIVE them £500K in order to stave off ruin. Doom mongering?
[quote][p][bold]theviking62[/bold] wrote: Murphys'law, you are one bloody doom monger. Are we skint, do you know that for certain, have you got inside info that you are holding from the rest of the supporters, you know we are not getting any investment. No, you, like the rest of us, have no idea what's going to happen, so stop with the negative posts. We will all find out together, your posts and those of others are the reason rumours start. But if you do know more, why not share it with us. To all city posters one question, would you move to odsal. If the answer is no, state reasons why. I bet there very similar, to those of bulls supporters not wanting to go to vp. So let's put it to bed, once and for all. Don't feed the trolls.[/p][/quote]Mr /Mrs Viking, the club is either skint or bent. They have just asked the fans to GIVE them £500K in order to stave off ruin. Doom mongering? murphyslaw
  • Score: 0

8:50pm Fri 27 Apr 12

Nickloza says...

speakeroftruth wrote:
Nickloza wrote:
speakeroftruth wrote:
Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:
they haven't recently as well you know, and the only reason you are using that figure is due to the Bulls Leeds match. If the Bulls were playing Bramley in one of the lower leagues they'd be looking at figures under 1k not just under 10k.

Still a moot point. Not relevant, like the bulls in the near future if the club is run further into the ground.
they are ifs the stark reality is that Bulls are a better team than City in their respective fields.Bulls have higher attendances than City do at the moment.when you go to vp it is flat and not exactly a safe place to leave your car,at odsal you usually get very good atmospheres and it is an easy and accessible venue to visit
Good atmosphere at Odsal? You're having a laugh and as for City not being safe it's absolute boll***s what do base that on? You make it up as you go along there's only one real division in RL and then you can't be relegated so how can you compare the two? The bulls aren't even one of the better sides anymore!
VP is not situated near a nice place it is situated next to ghetto! and please do tell me how I make it up as I go along and what about the championship? and the atmosphere at odsal is often very good and I base that on being a season ticket holder so I think I know whether or not it has a good atmosphere when I am there every game.
I don't care where it's situated it's 100% safe and I was there at Odsal on Sunday and there was no atmosphere your a nutter! as I say you make it up as you go along now go away.
[quote][p][bold]speakeroftruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nickloza[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]speakeroftruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Prisoner Cell Block A[/bold] wrote: they haven't recently as well you know, and the only reason you are using that figure is due to the Bulls Leeds match. If the Bulls were playing Bramley in one of the lower leagues they'd be looking at figures under 1k not just under 10k. Still a moot point. Not relevant, like the bulls in the near future if the club is run further into the ground.[/p][/quote]they are ifs the stark reality is that Bulls are a better team than City in their respective fields.Bulls have higher attendances than City do at the moment.when you go to vp it is flat and not exactly a safe place to leave your car,at odsal you usually get very good atmospheres and it is an easy and accessible venue to visit[/p][/quote]Good atmosphere at Odsal? You're having a laugh and as for City not being safe it's absolute boll***s what do base that on? You make it up as you go along there's only one real division in RL and then you can't be relegated so how can you compare the two? The bulls aren't even one of the better sides anymore![/p][/quote]VP is not situated near a nice place it is situated next to ghetto! and please do tell me how I make it up as I go along and what about the championship? and the atmosphere at odsal is often very good and I base that on being a season ticket holder so I think I know whether or not it has a good atmosphere when I am there every game.[/p][/quote]I don't care where it's situated it's 100% safe and I was there at Odsal on Sunday and there was no atmosphere your a nutter! as I say you make it up as you go along now go away. Nickloza
  • Score: 0

9:01pm Fri 27 Apr 12

Shelfrhino says...

To be fair, both sets of fans should be glad somebody is talking about them, both pretty irrelevant really.
To be fair, both sets of fans should be glad somebody is talking about them, both pretty irrelevant really. Shelfrhino
  • Score: 0

9:17pm Fri 27 Apr 12

BigFigure says...

Shelfrhino wrote:
To be fair, both sets of fans should be glad somebody is talking about them, both pretty irrelevant really.
Irrelevant? In what way(s)?
[quote][p][bold]Shelfrhino[/bold] wrote: To be fair, both sets of fans should be glad somebody is talking about them, both pretty irrelevant really.[/p][/quote]Irrelevant? In what way(s)? BigFigure
  • Score: 0

9:36pm Fri 27 Apr 12

Jonbantam says...

beardedclam wrote:
Adeybull wrote:
Jonbantam wrote:
speakeroftruth wrote:
Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:
speakeroftruth wrote:
angry bradfordian wrote:
barbarian mike wrote:
Odsal is a superb and iconic venue. Stay there if we can! Don't know why this fella deems it fit for him to throw his opinion in!?
He's an MP who probably has constituents who are Bulls fans, so he's got a right to air his view. Which particular views do you disagree with? Even the most ardent Bulls fan would find it difficult to call Odsal 'superb' and the dwindling crowds are a testament to that- it's one of the worst 2 or 3 grounds in Super League.
how many 20,000 crowds have city pulled in recently?
When we were in the top division of our sport, topped it a few times and was running at an average of approx 18k.

How many fans would the Bulls be gettingif they were in the RFL equivalent of the 4th division? Not nearly 10k per week I'd hazard to guess.

Moot point.

Next!
My question was how many 20,000 crowds have bradford pulled in recently? not 12 years ago
and you have still failed to answer that
Bradford City have an average attendance of 10026 for this season and a quick look on the Bulls website I wouldn`t be too chirpy as bar 3 games the attendance has been sub 10000. City also had over 17000 this season playing Hereford which is much further away than our nearest and dearest with a huge marketing ploy threatening that it would be the last game. The bigger picture here is a huge concern for Bradfordians following their respective teams because we can all have petty squabbles and throw in parking, travel and I do not have a clue why race should come into any sporting debate in 2012. The facts do not lie Bradford City are not the wealthiest club and the Bulls are sadly at present on their backsides and I am not even a bulls fan but still pledged £100 because I have been to the bulls in the past and enjoyed some great games. The sporting public of Bradford need to stop the petty squabbling and move forward a la Hull, Wigan, Huddersfield etc and ensure sport continues in this City as attendances do not win trophies and until both teams can generate good revenue streams we will both be languishing in the lower parts of our respective leagues. Fan power is impressive as both clubs have been saved in the past by the supporters. Grow up and face facts we may not want to play with each others toys but the future is both clubs sharing the same stadium generate revenue for both and putting Bradford sport back on the map as I would rather watch my team in any ground than not have a team at all!
Rubbish regarding Bulls gates this season.
.
Every SL game (Catalans, no away following) has been over 10k attendance. All bar one over 11k, and one over 20k. Average just under 13k.
.
Back to the actual point of the article, rather than idiots point scoring against each other. If the rents are shared 50/50 and makes the running costs cheaper for both clubs, it's a no brainer. Simple.
Muppets!
Thank You it seems there are only a few intelligent people on this forum with Bradford sport at the forefront of our concerns. I apologise if I got the figures wrong but at beardedclam states cheap hits at one another will get us nowhere. The facts are it is your time to be in the mire at present and if you think abusing City fans will get you anywhere you are deluded. Many City fans including myself would hate to see the Bulls liquidate so maybe you should be more humble and the City of Bradford should come together and move forward because pride is something that the whole Bradford district needs right now and the feel good factor 2 great sports teams would bring.
[quote][p][bold]beardedclam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Adeybull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jonbantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]speakeroftruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Prisoner Cell Block A[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]speakeroftruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]angry bradfordian[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]barbarian mike[/bold] wrote: Odsal is a superb and iconic venue. Stay there if we can! Don't know why this fella deems it fit for him to throw his opinion in!?[/p][/quote]He's an MP who probably has constituents who are Bulls fans, so he's got a right to air his view. Which particular views do you disagree with? Even the most ardent Bulls fan would find it difficult to call Odsal 'superb' and the dwindling crowds are a testament to that- it's one of the worst 2 or 3 grounds in Super League.[/p][/quote]how many 20,000 crowds have city pulled in recently?[/p][/quote]When we were in the top division of our sport, topped it a few times and was running at an average of approx 18k. How many fans would the Bulls be gettingif they were in the RFL equivalent of the 4th division? Not nearly 10k per week I'd hazard to guess. Moot point. Next![/p][/quote]My question was how many 20,000 crowds have bradford pulled in recently? not 12 years ago and you have still failed to answer that[/p][/quote]Bradford City have an average attendance of 10026 for this season and a quick look on the Bulls website I wouldn`t be too chirpy as bar 3 games the attendance has been sub 10000. City also had over 17000 this season playing Hereford which is much further away than our nearest and dearest with a huge marketing ploy threatening that it would be the last game. The bigger picture here is a huge concern for Bradfordians following their respective teams because we can all have petty squabbles and throw in parking, travel and I do not have a clue why race should come into any sporting debate in 2012. The facts do not lie Bradford City are not the wealthiest club and the Bulls are sadly at present on their backsides and I am not even a bulls fan but still pledged £100 because I have been to the bulls in the past and enjoyed some great games. The sporting public of Bradford need to stop the petty squabbling and move forward a la Hull, Wigan, Huddersfield etc and ensure sport continues in this City as attendances do not win trophies and until both teams can generate good revenue streams we will both be languishing in the lower parts of our respective leagues. Fan power is impressive as both clubs have been saved in the past by the supporters. Grow up and face facts we may not want to play with each others toys but the future is both clubs sharing the same stadium generate revenue for both and putting Bradford sport back on the map as I would rather watch my team in any ground than not have a team at all![/p][/quote]Rubbish regarding Bulls gates this season. . Every SL game (Catalans, no away following) has been over 10k attendance. All bar one over 11k, and one over 20k. Average just under 13k. .[/p][/quote]Back to the actual point of the article, rather than idiots point scoring against each other. If the rents are shared 50/50 and makes the running costs cheaper for both clubs, it's a no brainer. Simple. Muppets![/p][/quote]Thank You it seems there are only a few intelligent people on this forum with Bradford sport at the forefront of our concerns. I apologise if I got the figures wrong but at beardedclam states cheap hits at one another will get us nowhere. The facts are it is your time to be in the mire at present and if you think abusing City fans will get you anywhere you are deluded. Many City fans including myself would hate to see the Bulls liquidate so maybe you should be more humble and the City of Bradford should come together and move forward because pride is something that the whole Bradford district needs right now and the feel good factor 2 great sports teams would bring. Jonbantam
  • Score: 0

10:17pm Fri 27 Apr 12

BigFigure says...

I have just made the 200th comment on this. Hurrah!
I have just made the 200th comment on this. Hurrah! BigFigure
  • Score: 0

10:19pm Fri 27 Apr 12

BigFigure says...

Jonbantam wrote:
beardedclam wrote:
Adeybull wrote:
Jonbantam wrote:
speakeroftruth wrote:
Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:
speakeroftruth wrote:
angry bradfordian wrote:
barbarian mike wrote:
Odsal is a superb and iconic venue. Stay there if we can! Don't know why this fella deems it fit for him to throw his opinion in!?
He's an MP who probably has constituents who are Bulls fans, so he's got a right to air his view. Which particular views do you disagree with? Even the most ardent Bulls fan would find it difficult to call Odsal 'superb' and the dwindling crowds are a testament to that- it's one of the worst 2 or 3 grounds in Super League.
how many 20,000 crowds have city pulled in recently?
When we were in the top division of our sport, topped it a few times and was running at an average of approx 18k.

How many fans would the Bulls be gettingif they were in the RFL equivalent of the 4th division? Not nearly 10k per week I'd hazard to guess.

Moot point.

Next!
My question was how many 20,000 crowds have bradford pulled in recently? not 12 years ago
and you have still failed to answer that
Bradford City have an average attendance of 10026 for this season and a quick look on the Bulls website I wouldn`t be too chirpy as bar 3 games the attendance has been sub 10000. City also had over 17000 this season playing Hereford which is much further away than our nearest and dearest with a huge marketing ploy threatening that it would be the last game. The bigger picture here is a huge concern for Bradfordians following their respective teams because we can all have petty squabbles and throw in parking, travel and I do not have a clue why race should come into any sporting debate in 2012. The facts do not lie Bradford City are not the wealthiest club and the Bulls are sadly at present on their backsides and I am not even a bulls fan but still pledged £100 because I have been to the bulls in the past and enjoyed some great games. The sporting public of Bradford need to stop the petty squabbling and move forward a la Hull, Wigan, Huddersfield etc and ensure sport continues in this City as attendances do not win trophies and until both teams can generate good revenue streams we will both be languishing in the lower parts of our respective leagues. Fan power is impressive as both clubs have been saved in the past by the supporters. Grow up and face facts we may not want to play with each others toys but the future is both clubs sharing the same stadium generate revenue for both and putting Bradford sport back on the map as I would rather watch my team in any ground than not have a team at all!
Rubbish regarding Bulls gates this season.
.
Every SL game (Catalans, no away following) has been over 10k attendance. All bar one over 11k, and one over 20k. Average just under 13k.
.
Back to the actual point of the article, rather than idiots point scoring against each other. If the rents are shared 50/50 and makes the running costs cheaper for both clubs, it's a no brainer. Simple.
Muppets!
Thank You it seems there are only a few intelligent people on this forum with Bradford sport at the forefront of our concerns. I apologise if I got the figures wrong but at beardedclam states cheap hits at one another will get us nowhere. The facts are it is your time to be in the mire at present and if you think abusing City fans will get you anywhere you are deluded. Many City fans including myself would hate to see the Bulls liquidate so maybe you should be more humble and the City of Bradford should come together and move forward because pride is something that the whole Bradford district needs right now and the feel good factor 2 great sports teams would bring.
Spot on.
[quote][p][bold]Jonbantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]beardedclam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Adeybull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jonbantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]speakeroftruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Prisoner Cell Block A[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]speakeroftruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]angry bradfordian[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]barbarian mike[/bold] wrote: Odsal is a superb and iconic venue. Stay there if we can! Don't know why this fella deems it fit for him to throw his opinion in!?[/p][/quote]He's an MP who probably has constituents who are Bulls fans, so he's got a right to air his view. Which particular views do you disagree with? Even the most ardent Bulls fan would find it difficult to call Odsal 'superb' and the dwindling crowds are a testament to that- it's one of the worst 2 or 3 grounds in Super League.[/p][/quote]how many 20,000 crowds have city pulled in recently?[/p][/quote]When we were in the top division of our sport, topped it a few times and was running at an average of approx 18k. How many fans would the Bulls be gettingif they were in the RFL equivalent of the 4th division? Not nearly 10k per week I'd hazard to guess. Moot point. Next![/p][/quote]My question was how many 20,000 crowds have bradford pulled in recently? not 12 years ago and you have still failed to answer that[/p][/quote]Bradford City have an average attendance of 10026 for this season and a quick look on the Bulls website I wouldn`t be too chirpy as bar 3 games the attendance has been sub 10000. City also had over 17000 this season playing Hereford which is much further away than our nearest and dearest with a huge marketing ploy threatening that it would be the last game. The bigger picture here is a huge concern for Bradfordians following their respective teams because we can all have petty squabbles and throw in parking, travel and I do not have a clue why race should come into any sporting debate in 2012. The facts do not lie Bradford City are not the wealthiest club and the Bulls are sadly at present on their backsides and I am not even a bulls fan but still pledged £100 because I have been to the bulls in the past and enjoyed some great games. The sporting public of Bradford need to stop the petty squabbling and move forward a la Hull, Wigan, Huddersfield etc and ensure sport continues in this City as attendances do not win trophies and until both teams can generate good revenue streams we will both be languishing in the lower parts of our respective leagues. Fan power is impressive as both clubs have been saved in the past by the supporters. Grow up and face facts we may not want to play with each others toys but the future is both clubs sharing the same stadium generate revenue for both and putting Bradford sport back on the map as I would rather watch my team in any ground than not have a team at all![/p][/quote]Rubbish regarding Bulls gates this season. . Every SL game (Catalans, no away following) has been over 10k attendance. All bar one over 11k, and one over 20k. Average just under 13k. .[/p][/quote]Back to the actual point of the article, rather than idiots point scoring against each other. If the rents are shared 50/50 and makes the running costs cheaper for both clubs, it's a no brainer. Simple. Muppets![/p][/quote]Thank You it seems there are only a few intelligent people on this forum with Bradford sport at the forefront of our concerns. I apologise if I got the figures wrong but at beardedclam states cheap hits at one another will get us nowhere. The facts are it is your time to be in the mire at present and if you think abusing City fans will get you anywhere you are deluded. Many City fans including myself would hate to see the Bulls liquidate so maybe you should be more humble and the City of Bradford should come together and move forward because pride is something that the whole Bradford district needs right now and the feel good factor 2 great sports teams would bring.[/p][/quote]Spot on. BigFigure
  • Score: 0

10:27pm Fri 27 Apr 12

Dobbo74 says...

Odsal used to be a multi-purpose venue. Why not bring oval racing back to share costs?
Odsal used to be a multi-purpose venue. Why not bring oval racing back to share costs? Dobbo74
  • Score: 0

10:31pm Fri 27 Apr 12

Shelfrhino says...

BigFigure wrote:
Shelfrhino wrote:
To be fair, both sets of fans should be glad somebody is talking about them, both pretty irrelevant really.
Irrelevant? In what way(s)?
In as much that both teams are skint and neither are going to set the world on fire anytime soon.
[quote][p][bold]BigFigure[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shelfrhino[/bold] wrote: To be fair, both sets of fans should be glad somebody is talking about them, both pretty irrelevant really.[/p][/quote]Irrelevant? In what way(s)?[/p][/quote]In as much that both teams are skint and neither are going to set the world on fire anytime soon. Shelfrhino
  • Score: 0

12:11am Sat 28 Apr 12

lonniejockstrap says...

Mumby was the best wrote:
Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:
@mumby, I addressed that point, we couldn't afford to keep the players we had so had to move them on, this had two effects, one we didn't have the same quality so dropped and dropped. Two, some of those players were still being paid years later and this held the club back to the point we dropped further. We now are plying our trade in the 4th division through the fault of not living within our means. We didn't break a cap nor run up to a limit we couldn't afford at the time we did, this was a lack of foresight and no-one took into account that the wages would still be as much if we were relegated, we were and we also then had the collapse of ITV digital and the loss of the promised money which had already been budgeted. The Bulls have gone over their cap more than once and that isn't a lack of foresight, it is cheating trying to get the best and then not covering the other liabilities.
But football does not have a cap to exceed! A lot of people believe it should have tho!
Plus like your overspending our cheating was done a while ago with a different chairman who now wants to return. Knowing what you know would you welcome Richmond back with open arms?
Actually, League 2 does have a 'spending cap'. This is set at 60% of turnover. This can of course be be got around by various means.
[quote][p][bold]Mumby was the best[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Prisoner Cell Block A[/bold] wrote: @mumby, I addressed that point, we couldn't afford to keep the players we had so had to move them on, this had two effects, one we didn't have the same quality so dropped and dropped. Two, some of those players were still being paid years later and this held the club back to the point we dropped further. We now are plying our trade in the 4th division through the fault of not living within our means. We didn't break a cap nor run up to a limit we couldn't afford at the time we did, this was a lack of foresight and no-one took into account that the wages would still be as much if we were relegated, we were and we also then had the collapse of ITV digital and the loss of the promised money which had already been budgeted. The Bulls have gone over their cap more than once and that isn't a lack of foresight, it is cheating trying to get the best and then not covering the other liabilities.[/p][/quote]But football does not have a cap to exceed! A lot of people believe it should have tho! Plus like your overspending our cheating was done a while ago with a different chairman who now wants to return. Knowing what you know would you welcome Richmond back with open arms?[/p][/quote]Actually, League 2 does have a 'spending cap'. This is set at 60% of turnover. This can of course be be got around by various means. lonniejockstrap
  • Score: 0

12:16am Sat 28 Apr 12

arhmen aleg says...

Looks like the only way agreement can be reached between city and bulls fans would be a new purpose built stadium possibly on the land behind the bowl at odsal.
With a motarway link.
That would free the bowl to earn money through tipping and the Gibb pension fund could sell to Morrisons.
Both grounds have their shortcomings and agreement will be difficult.
And it may have been overlooked but neither club now own the freehold as they have both had years of nearly going busts and saved at the last hour.
Yes find a CITY OF BRADFORD STADIUM GG and you"ll get more votes than the former minister for sport who did so much when in a position of influence for Bradford sport.
The Tory councillors even blame the blo*dy olympics for Westfield not been built in 8 years.Apparently they had to build one at White City and Stratford.
Dont think it will happen in ouir lifetime.
Whatever happened to the brass from the airport sale?Squandered on a singing dancing puddle?
Oh you short sighted visioneries.
Vote for George.The only one to show hes interested in Bradford sport.Lets hope he delivers something and its not all vote catching rhetoric.
Looks like the only way agreement can be reached between city and bulls fans would be a new purpose built stadium possibly on the land behind the bowl at odsal. With a motarway link. That would free the bowl to earn money through tipping and the Gibb pension fund could sell to Morrisons. Both grounds have their shortcomings and agreement will be difficult. And it may have been overlooked but neither club now own the freehold as they have both had years of nearly going busts and saved at the last hour. Yes find a CITY OF BRADFORD STADIUM GG and you"ll get more votes than the former minister for sport who did so much when in a position of influence for Bradford sport. The Tory councillors even blame the blo*dy olympics for Westfield not been built in 8 years.Apparently they had to build one at White City and Stratford. Dont think it will happen in ouir lifetime. Whatever happened to the brass from the airport sale?Squandered on a singing dancing puddle? Oh you short sighted visioneries. Vote for George.The only one to show hes interested in Bradford sport.Lets hope he delivers something and its not all vote catching rhetoric. arhmen aleg
  • Score: 0

12:20am Sat 28 Apr 12

derrie-t- says...

Bradford city fan...i dont like the idea to be honest stay seperate dont mix sports
Bradford city fan...i dont like the idea to be honest stay seperate dont mix sports derrie-t-
  • Score: 0

12:36am Sat 28 Apr 12

BigFigure says...

Shelfrhino wrote:
BigFigure wrote:
Shelfrhino wrote:
To be fair, both sets of fans should be glad somebody is talking about them, both pretty irrelevant really.
Irrelevant? In what way(s)?
In as much that both teams are skint and neither are going to set the world on fire anytime soon.
Ah..bienvenido querido amigo....I'm guessing
that you live on the Costa Del Sol (Shellfrino is one of my favourite resorts...do you know the bar "Casa del Mieirda"?) in which case I can understand your confusion. Adios, amigo....don't worry yourself with our troubles, we
will manage without you, sin problema
[quote][p][bold]Shelfrhino[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BigFigure[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shelfrhino[/bold] wrote: To be fair, both sets of fans should be glad somebody is talking about them, both pretty irrelevant really.[/p][/quote]Irrelevant? In what way(s)?[/p][/quote]In as much that both teams are skint and neither are going to set the world on fire anytime soon.[/p][/quote]Ah..bienvenido querido amigo....I'm guessing that you live on the Costa Del Sol (Shellfrino is one of my favourite resorts...do you know the bar "Casa del Mieirda"?) in which case I can understand your confusion. Adios, amigo....don't worry yourself with our troubles, we will manage without you, sin problema BigFigure
  • Score: 0

6:31am Sat 28 Apr 12

parader no1 says...

I for one agree with Mr Ward, ground sharing is the only way forward for both clubs, they cannot possibly carry on as they are, Bulls begging for money, City being fleeced for rent. They surely must ground share, whether at Odsal, VP or a purpose built stadium to be debated.Looking at the way this council treats professional sport in Bradford a new ground looks unlikely. VP has its problems, although in 30yrs of driving there and leaving my car I have never experienced any problems with vadalism. Odsal needs so much money spent on it to bring it up to twentyfirst century standards that that seems unlikey also. Being a season ticket holder at both clubs I personally would not mind where either of them played, I would still go and watch them whilst I physically could. I think the best option AT THE MOMENT would be to play at VP and try to secure funding for a new stadium to be built elsewhere in the city.
I for one agree with Mr Ward, ground sharing is the only way forward for both clubs, they cannot possibly carry on as they are, Bulls begging for money, City being fleeced for rent. They surely must ground share, whether at Odsal, VP or a purpose built stadium to be debated.Looking at the way this council treats professional sport in Bradford a new ground looks unlikely. VP has its problems, although in 30yrs of driving there and leaving my car I have never experienced any problems with vadalism. Odsal needs so much money spent on it to bring it up to twentyfirst century standards that that seems unlikey also. Being a season ticket holder at both clubs I personally would not mind where either of them played, I would still go and watch them whilst I physically could. I think the best option AT THE MOMENT would be to play at VP and try to secure funding for a new stadium to be built elsewhere in the city. parader no1
  • Score: 0

11:04am Sat 28 Apr 12

parader no1 says...

Well put tyker2
Well put tyker2 parader no1
  • Score: 0

11:05am Sat 28 Apr 12

Tricky Dicky says...

Some commentator hit the nail square on the head when they said we need a stadium with Valley Parade's facilities situated just off the motorway link in South Bradford, shared by both clubs and, possibly, Park Avenue.
Is it, could it happen? Well, think of OSV, Westfield, the Gaumont development, the Alexandria Hotel development, re-opening Bradford Canal and road tunnel under Shipley/Saltaire. I'm sure you can think of some other pie-in-the-sky dreams invented by our local politicians just to garner votes. A disingenuous bunch if ever there was. So, the answer is no. Both clubs are likely to go to the wall before the Council steps in. But the Council must be jolly pleased with the puddle in the city centre! A source of pride for all Bradfordians.
Some commentator hit the nail square on the head when they said we need a stadium with Valley Parade's facilities situated just off the motorway link in South Bradford, shared by both clubs and, possibly, Park Avenue. Is it, could it happen? Well, think of OSV, Westfield, the Gaumont development, the Alexandria Hotel development, re-opening Bradford Canal and road tunnel under Shipley/Saltaire. I'm sure you can think of some other pie-in-the-sky dreams invented by our local politicians just to garner votes. A disingenuous bunch if ever there was. So, the answer is no. Both clubs are likely to go to the wall before the Council steps in. But the Council must be jolly pleased with the puddle in the city centre! A source of pride for all Bradfordians. Tricky Dicky
  • Score: 0

11:10am Sat 28 Apr 12

raisemeup says...

If we hadn't tried it before, or experienced the value or non value, depending on points of view! I might concede that Mr Ward has a good point to make about VP.
However I seem to remember that one of the problems we had when at valley Parade wasn't totally down to the emotional ties Bulls supporters feel about having their Home as theirs and not swapping one Landlord for another.
Financially speaking the fact is many supporters didn't go to VP? for example in 2002 when the Bulls were joint top of Super League the average crowd figures were 11,500 at Valley Parade. Compared to the 6 games we have played in 2012 at 13,000 (average) plus and that's after two previous seasons of being 10th in the table.
Just think what could happen to the crowds with better winning combinations, back to average attendance of 15,000 maybe? But history and past figures tell tells us not at VP!

Away suppporters didn't like the experience either. Because we are largely talking about two different cultures in support and supporter.
If we hadn't tried it before, or experienced the value or non value, depending on points of view! I might concede that Mr Ward has a good point to make about VP. However I seem to remember that one of the problems we had when at valley Parade wasn't totally down to the emotional ties Bulls supporters feel about having their Home as theirs and not swapping one Landlord for another. Financially speaking the fact is many supporters didn't go to VP? for example in 2002 when the Bulls were joint top of Super League the average crowd figures were 11,500 at Valley Parade. Compared to the 6 games we have played in 2012 at 13,000 (average) plus and that's after two previous seasons of being 10th in the table. Just think what could happen to the crowds with better winning combinations, back to average attendance of 15,000 maybe? But history and past figures tell tells us not at VP! Away suppporters didn't like the experience either. Because we are largely talking about two different cultures in support and supporter. raisemeup
  • Score: 0

11:29am Sat 28 Apr 12

koparmy says...

birkybull wrote:
Move City to Odsal. Then no one has to enter Mini pakistan or mini afghanistan when they want to go watch City. The area around the ground is a total Ghetto. City would pay peanuts in rent at Odsal just like the Bulls are doing. Gibb would be left with a big elephant doing nothing.The Valley Parade pitch is not big enough to play Rugby league FULL STOP.
Nice to see such open minded views. I've been going to VP since 1970 and have never had any issues with the local community. Anyway, the people around the ground are mainly Bangladeshi with a smattering of Eastern Euopeans.

Oddly enough the VP pitch was big enough for RL not so long ago. I think your problem my friend is in your head and with people with different coloured faces - FULL STOP.
[quote][p][bold]birkybull[/bold] wrote: Move City to Odsal. Then no one has to enter Mini pakistan or mini afghanistan when they want to go watch City. The area around the ground is a total Ghetto. City would pay peanuts in rent at Odsal just like the Bulls are doing. Gibb would be left with a big elephant doing nothing.The Valley Parade pitch is not big enough to play Rugby league FULL STOP.[/p][/quote]Nice to see such open minded views. I've been going to VP since 1970 and have never had any issues with the local community. Anyway, the people around the ground are mainly Bangladeshi with a smattering of Eastern Euopeans. Oddly enough the VP pitch was big enough for RL not so long ago. I think your problem my friend is in your head and with people with different coloured faces - FULL STOP. koparmy
  • Score: 0

11:37am Sat 28 Apr 12

koparmy says...

caledonia15 wrote:
Sorry its not for me, i spent 2 seasons at V.P. watching the Bulls wondering if my car had been damaged every time i went there. After every game i saw cars damaged, to me that area is becoming a No-Go area at night. Its quite simple, if the Bulls go there, i won't be.
Oddly enough 10,000 City fans manage to avoid getting thier cars trashed.

No go area? Oh dear, yet another racist Bulls fan. Do we really want these people with their 1970s mindsets at VP?
[quote][p][bold]caledonia15[/bold] wrote: Sorry its not for me, i spent 2 seasons at V.P. watching the Bulls wondering if my car had been damaged every time i went there. After every game i saw cars damaged, to me that area is becoming a No-Go area at night. Its quite simple, if the Bulls go there, i won't be.[/p][/quote]Oddly enough 10,000 City fans manage to avoid getting thier cars trashed. No go area? Oh dear, yet another racist Bulls fan. Do we really want these people with their 1970s mindsets at VP? koparmy
  • Score: 0

12:17pm Sat 28 Apr 12

theviking62 says...

Well, I would have thought by now, this arguement would be played out. But no, someone always finds another insignificant point to argue about. Bulls don't want vp and vice versa. Odsal needs work( I'm a bulls fan ), vp in an inner city area that needs work. Would say that answers all problems from the point of view of all fans, of either team. So can we now put it to bed, and agree to disagree.
Well, I would have thought by now, this arguement would be played out. But no, someone always finds another insignificant point to argue about. Bulls don't want vp and vice versa. Odsal needs work( I'm a bulls fan ), vp in an inner city area that needs work. Would say that answers all problems from the point of view of all fans, of either team. So can we now put it to bed, and agree to disagree. theviking62
  • Score: 0

12:37pm Sat 28 Apr 12

huggy b says...

It has to happen. Both clubs are in a perilous predicament especially the Bulls. Huddersfield, Hull, Wigan. They all ground share and have more success at both sports. This is in some part down to the reduced overheads due to groundsharing. I know Odsal is iconic etc but it's 50 years out of date whereas all the stands at VP have been built within living memory! As a supporter of both clubs I can see it needs to happen. Why are a lot of Bulls fans so racist too? Low Moor, Buttershaw, Woodside, Marshfields, Wibsey and West Bowling are all within walking distance of Odsal and I would rather walk through Manningham than any of the above areas!
It has to happen. Both clubs are in a perilous predicament especially the Bulls. Huddersfield, Hull, Wigan. They all ground share and have more success at both sports. This is in some part down to the reduced overheads due to groundsharing. I know Odsal is iconic etc but it's 50 years out of date whereas all the stands at VP have been built within living memory! As a supporter of both clubs I can see it needs to happen. Why are a lot of Bulls fans so racist too? Low Moor, Buttershaw, Woodside, Marshfields, Wibsey and West Bowling are all within walking distance of Odsal and I would rather walk through Manningham than any of the above areas! huggy b
  • Score: 0

1:03pm Sat 28 Apr 12

djmoulson says...

Ok, it's been a long time since I've posted on here, not that anyone has missed me!!, it might have been addressed earlier although I don't want to wade through 200+ posts but want to add a few points. We all know that each club wants to stay at their respective grounds for sentimental reasons and others, money, location etc, in an ideal world we'd have a cross city rail link, a new shopping centre with good links to the motorway network and a new stadium fit for both sports plus other uses nearby. We ALL know this won't happen in our lifetimes with the current generation of councillors we have, and their attitude towards 'speculate to accumulate' projects. I am a City fan, but also follow the Bulls but all that aside IF a ground share were to happen then VP is the short term solution only on a development cost perspective, Mark Lawn has already said in the past that it would be easy enough to remove seating from the first few rows of each stand to allow for the official pitch size to play rugby, while they're at it what is the view of the new generation of artificial pitches such as at Widnes? If leases could be settled perhaps our illustrious council could buy VP from the Gibb pension fund, pull out the seats & have an artificial pitch installed, heated to avoid postponements and have it as a community stadium for all of Bradford to use, Bulls, City, Avenue and local teams? Build a footbridge over the railway & make a car park out of the sidings on Valley Road? The other point I wanted to discuss is what is the huge issue about a stadium being near the motorway network when it's only really beneficial to away supporters, which only account for a small percentage of the overall attendances, Galpharm Stadium isn't near the motorway, it's near the centre of Huddersfield, ideally located for the majority of local supporters. Having a stadium on the South of the city really only helps very local supporters and away fans, those in the Aire Valley and beyond don't benefit, it takes me 10 minutes to drive from the M606 to Canal Road and be parked up 5 minutes walk away from VP, and have only seen once in 30 years any form of vandalism to cars parked on match days. It's a short-medium term idea and we all want the best for Bradford as a whole & know how much belief a successful sporting team (or two) brings to the city. CTID COYB
Ok, it's been a long time since I've posted on here, not that anyone has missed me!!, it might have been addressed earlier although I don't want to wade through 200+ posts but want to add a few points. We all know that each club wants to stay at their respective grounds for sentimental reasons and others, money, location etc, in an ideal world we'd have a cross city rail link, a new shopping centre with good links to the motorway network and a new stadium fit for both sports plus other uses nearby. We ALL know this won't happen in our lifetimes with the current generation of councillors we have, and their attitude towards 'speculate to accumulate' projects. I am a City fan, but also follow the Bulls but all that aside IF a ground share were to happen then VP is the short term solution only on a development cost perspective, Mark Lawn has already said in the past that it would be easy enough to remove seating from the first few rows of each stand to allow for the official pitch size to play rugby, while they're at it what is the view of the new generation of artificial pitches such as at Widnes? If leases could be settled perhaps our illustrious council could buy VP from the Gibb pension fund, pull out the seats & have an artificial pitch installed, heated to avoid postponements and have it as a community stadium for all of Bradford to use, Bulls, City, Avenue and local teams? Build a footbridge over the railway & make a car park out of the sidings on Valley Road? The other point I wanted to discuss is what is the huge issue about a stadium being near the motorway network when it's only really beneficial to away supporters, which only account for a small percentage of the overall attendances, Galpharm Stadium isn't near the motorway, it's near the centre of Huddersfield, ideally located for the majority of local supporters. Having a stadium on the South of the city really only helps very local supporters and away fans, those in the Aire Valley and beyond don't benefit, it takes me 10 minutes to drive from the M606 to Canal Road and be parked up 5 minutes walk away from VP, and have only seen once in 30 years any form of vandalism to cars parked on match days. It's a short-medium term idea and we all want the best for Bradford as a whole & know how much belief a successful sporting team (or two) brings to the city. CTID COYB djmoulson
  • Score: 0

1:09pm Sat 28 Apr 12

theviking62 says...

Buggy, let's keep ethnicity out of it. There good and bad citizens in all parts of the city. Some areas appear worse than others ie manningham, needs major redevelopment. West bowling / marsh field are other areas that could use some money spending on them. But wibsey, low moor, and the immediate area around odsal are consider residential. Boy, and do you court trouble, calling woodside, buttershaw, estates.
Buggy, let's keep ethnicity out of it. There good and bad citizens in all parts of the city. Some areas appear worse than others ie manningham, needs major redevelopment. West bowling / marsh field are other areas that could use some money spending on them. But wibsey, low moor, and the immediate area around odsal are consider residential. Boy, and do you court trouble, calling woodside, buttershaw, estates. theviking62
  • Score: 0

1:21pm Sat 28 Apr 12

huggy b says...

djmoulson wrote:
Ok, it's been a long time since I've posted on here, not that anyone has missed me!!, it might have been addressed earlier although I don't want to wade through 200+ posts but want to add a few points. We all know that each club wants to stay at their respective grounds for sentimental reasons and others, money, location etc, in an ideal world we'd have a cross city rail link, a new shopping centre with good links to the motorway network and a new stadium fit for both sports plus other uses nearby. We ALL know this won't happen in our lifetimes with the current generation of councillors we have, and their attitude towards 'speculate to accumulate' projects. I am a City fan, but also follow the Bulls but all that aside IF a ground share were to happen then VP is the short term solution only on a development cost perspective, Mark Lawn has already said in the past that it would be easy enough to remove seating from the first few rows of each stand to allow for the official pitch size to play rugby, while they're at it what is the view of the new generation of artificial pitches such as at Widnes? If leases could be settled perhaps our illustrious council could buy VP from the Gibb pension fund, pull out the seats & have an artificial pitch installed, heated to avoid postponements and have it as a community stadium for all of Bradford to use, Bulls, City, Avenue and local teams? Build a footbridge over the railway & make a car park out of the sidings on Valley Road? The other point I wanted to discuss is what is the huge issue about a stadium being near the motorway network when it's only really beneficial to away supporters, which only account for a small percentage of the overall attendances, Galpharm Stadium isn't near the motorway, it's near the centre of Huddersfield, ideally located for the majority of local supporters. Having a stadium on the South of the city really only helps very local supporters and away fans, those in the Aire Valley and beyond don't benefit, it takes me 10 minutes to drive from the M606 to Canal Road and be parked up 5 minutes walk away from VP, and have only seen once in 30 years any form of vandalism to cars parked on match days. It's a short-medium term idea and we all want the best for Bradford as a whole & know how much belief a successful sporting team (or two) brings to the city. CTID COYB
I'll vote for you!
[quote][p][bold]djmoulson[/bold] wrote: Ok, it's been a long time since I've posted on here, not that anyone has missed me!!, it might have been addressed earlier although I don't want to wade through 200+ posts but want to add a few points. We all know that each club wants to stay at their respective grounds for sentimental reasons and others, money, location etc, in an ideal world we'd have a cross city rail link, a new shopping centre with good links to the motorway network and a new stadium fit for both sports plus other uses nearby. We ALL know this won't happen in our lifetimes with the current generation of councillors we have, and their attitude towards 'speculate to accumulate' projects. I am a City fan, but also follow the Bulls but all that aside IF a ground share were to happen then VP is the short term solution only on a development cost perspective, Mark Lawn has already said in the past that it would be easy enough to remove seating from the first few rows of each stand to allow for the official pitch size to play rugby, while they're at it what is the view of the new generation of artificial pitches such as at Widnes? If leases could be settled perhaps our illustrious council could buy VP from the Gibb pension fund, pull out the seats & have an artificial pitch installed, heated to avoid postponements and have it as a community stadium for all of Bradford to use, Bulls, City, Avenue and local teams? Build a footbridge over the railway & make a car park out of the sidings on Valley Road? The other point I wanted to discuss is what is the huge issue about a stadium being near the motorway network when it's only really beneficial to away supporters, which only account for a small percentage of the overall attendances, Galpharm Stadium isn't near the motorway, it's near the centre of Huddersfield, ideally located for the majority of local supporters. Having a stadium on the South of the city really only helps very local supporters and away fans, those in the Aire Valley and beyond don't benefit, it takes me 10 minutes to drive from the M606 to Canal Road and be parked up 5 minutes walk away from VP, and have only seen once in 30 years any form of vandalism to cars parked on match days. It's a short-medium term idea and we all want the best for Bradford as a whole & know how much belief a successful sporting team (or two) brings to the city. CTID COYB[/p][/quote]I'll vote for you! huggy b
  • Score: 0

1:30pm Sat 28 Apr 12

djmoulson says...

huggy b wrote:
djmoulson wrote:
Ok, it's been a long time since I've posted on here, not that anyone has missed me!!, it might have been addressed earlier although I don't want to wade through 200+ posts but want to add a few points. We all know that each club wants to stay at their respective grounds for sentimental reasons and others, money, location etc, in an ideal world we'd have a cross city rail link, a new shopping centre with good links to the motorway network and a new stadium fit for both sports plus other uses nearby. We ALL know this won't happen in our lifetimes with the current generation of councillors we have, and their attitude towards 'speculate to accumulate' projects. I am a City fan, but also follow the Bulls but all that aside IF a ground share were to happen then VP is the short term solution only on a development cost perspective, Mark Lawn has already said in the past that it would be easy enough to remove seating from the first few rows of each stand to allow for the official pitch size to play rugby, while they're at it what is the view of the new generation of artificial pitches such as at Widnes? If leases could be settled perhaps our illustrious council could buy VP from the Gibb pension fund, pull out the seats & have an artificial pitch installed, heated to avoid postponements and have it as a community stadium for all of Bradford to use, Bulls, City, Avenue and local teams? Build a footbridge over the railway & make a car park out of the sidings on Valley Road? The other point I wanted to discuss is what is the huge issue about a stadium being near the motorway network when it's only really beneficial to away supporters, which only account for a small percentage of the overall attendances, Galpharm Stadium isn't near the motorway, it's near the centre of Huddersfield, ideally located for the majority of local supporters. Having a stadium on the South of the city really only helps very local supporters and away fans, those in the Aire Valley and beyond don't benefit, it takes me 10 minutes to drive from the M606 to Canal Road and be parked up 5 minutes walk away from VP, and have only seen once in 30 years any form of vandalism to cars parked on match days. It's a short-medium term idea and we all want the best for Bradford as a whole & know how much belief a successful sporting team (or two) brings to the city. CTID COYB
I'll vote for you!
Hahaha...does any of what I suggest make sense though..!?!
[quote][p][bold]huggy b[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]djmoulson[/bold] wrote: Ok, it's been a long time since I've posted on here, not that anyone has missed me!!, it might have been addressed earlier although I don't want to wade through 200+ posts but want to add a few points. We all know that each club wants to stay at their respective grounds for sentimental reasons and others, money, location etc, in an ideal world we'd have a cross city rail link, a new shopping centre with good links to the motorway network and a new stadium fit for both sports plus other uses nearby. We ALL know this won't happen in our lifetimes with the current generation of councillors we have, and their attitude towards 'speculate to accumulate' projects. I am a City fan, but also follow the Bulls but all that aside IF a ground share were to happen then VP is the short term solution only on a development cost perspective, Mark Lawn has already said in the past that it would be easy enough to remove seating from the first few rows of each stand to allow for the official pitch size to play rugby, while they're at it what is the view of the new generation of artificial pitches such as at Widnes? If leases could be settled perhaps our illustrious council could buy VP from the Gibb pension fund, pull out the seats & have an artificial pitch installed, heated to avoid postponements and have it as a community stadium for all of Bradford to use, Bulls, City, Avenue and local teams? Build a footbridge over the railway & make a car park out of the sidings on Valley Road? The other point I wanted to discuss is what is the huge issue about a stadium being near the motorway network when it's only really beneficial to away supporters, which only account for a small percentage of the overall attendances, Galpharm Stadium isn't near the motorway, it's near the centre of Huddersfield, ideally located for the majority of local supporters. Having a stadium on the South of the city really only helps very local supporters and away fans, those in the Aire Valley and beyond don't benefit, it takes me 10 minutes to drive from the M606 to Canal Road and be parked up 5 minutes walk away from VP, and have only seen once in 30 years any form of vandalism to cars parked on match days. It's a short-medium term idea and we all want the best for Bradford as a whole & know how much belief a successful sporting team (or two) brings to the city. CTID COYB[/p][/quote]I'll vote for you![/p][/quote]Hahaha...does any of what I suggest make sense though..!?! djmoulson
  • Score: 0

1:35pm Sat 28 Apr 12

huggy b says...

theviking62 wrote:
Buggy, let's keep ethnicity out of it. There good and bad citizens in all parts of the city. Some areas appear worse than others ie manningham, needs major redevelopment. West bowling / marsh field are other areas that could use some money spending on them. But wibsey, low moor, and the immediate area around odsal are consider residential. Boy, and do you court trouble, calling woodside, buttershaw, estates.
I think about a hundred Bulls fans before me brought ethnicity into this debate, i certainly didn't. Such deplorable bigoted opinions need challenging by people who find fascists, be it white bigots, fundamental islamists or anyone else unwelcome in Britain. The point I'm making is I feel safer walking through Manningham than Wibsey on a Friday night because of all the tools who go drinking and fighting around there, many of whom happen to live in Woodside/Buttershaw. Oh just one more thing, when did I call anywhere an estate in my previous post?
[quote][p][bold]theviking62[/bold] wrote: Buggy, let's keep ethnicity out of it. There good and bad citizens in all parts of the city. Some areas appear worse than others ie manningham, needs major redevelopment. West bowling / marsh field are other areas that could use some money spending on them. But wibsey, low moor, and the immediate area around odsal are consider residential. Boy, and do you court trouble, calling woodside, buttershaw, estates.[/p][/quote]I think about a hundred Bulls fans before me brought ethnicity into this debate, i certainly didn't. Such deplorable bigoted opinions need challenging by people who find fascists, be it white bigots, fundamental islamists or anyone else unwelcome in Britain. The point I'm making is I feel safer walking through Manningham than Wibsey on a Friday night because of all the tools who go drinking and fighting around there, many of whom happen to live in Woodside/Buttershaw. Oh just one more thing, when did I call anywhere an estate in my previous post? huggy b
  • Score: 0

1:41pm Sat 28 Apr 12

Steam Pig says...

theviking62 wrote:
Buggy, let's keep ethnicity out of it. There good and bad citizens in all parts of the city. Some areas appear worse than others ie manningham, needs major redevelopment. West bowling / marsh field are other areas that could use some money spending on them. But wibsey, low moor, and the immediate area around odsal are consider residential. Boy, and do you court trouble, calling woodside, buttershaw, estates.
I have to agree with some of this quote as I live in area, but all regions in Bradford have there problems, My view is develop Odsal because its close to motorway also there is a train line close by so I am sure a siding could be built to alight passengers via train, as far as those vadal comments last time I had a window broke in 1st season there after that I caught bus that was laid on at Odsal. Keep ODSAL ALIVE don't kill it off it has just as much history as VP, I have a programme with my late fathers name in it when he played in WEST RIDING CUP FINAL THERE IN 1950's
[quote][p][bold]theviking62[/bold] wrote: Buggy, let's keep ethnicity out of it. There good and bad citizens in all parts of the city. Some areas appear worse than others ie manningham, needs major redevelopment. West bowling / marsh field are other areas that could use some money spending on them. But wibsey, low moor, and the immediate area around odsal are consider residential. Boy, and do you court trouble, calling woodside, buttershaw, estates.[/p][/quote]I have to agree with some of this quote as I live in area, but all regions in Bradford have there problems, My view is develop Odsal because its close to motorway also there is a train line close by so I am sure a siding could be built to alight passengers via train, as far as those vadal comments last time I had a window broke in 1st season there after that I caught bus that was laid on at Odsal. Keep ODSAL ALIVE don't kill it off it has just as much history as VP, I have a programme with my late fathers name in it when he played in WEST RIDING CUP FINAL THERE IN 1950's Steam Pig
  • Score: 0

1:57pm Sat 28 Apr 12

djmoulson says...

Steam Pig wrote:
theviking62 wrote:
Buggy, let's keep ethnicity out of it. There good and bad citizens in all parts of the city. Some areas appear worse than others ie manningham, needs major redevelopment. West bowling / marsh field are other areas that could use some money spending on them. But wibsey, low moor, and the immediate area around odsal are consider residential. Boy, and do you court trouble, calling woodside, buttershaw, estates.
I have to agree with some of this quote as I live in area, but all regions in Bradford have there problems, My view is develop Odsal because its close to motorway also there is a train line close by so I am sure a siding could be built to alight passengers via train, as far as those vadal comments last time I had a window broke in 1st season there after that I caught bus that was laid on at Odsal. Keep ODSAL ALIVE don't kill it off it has just as much history as VP, I have a programme with my late fathers name in it when he played in WEST RIDING CUP FINAL THERE IN 1950's
Again though Steam Pig, what good is the motorway to most Bradford rugby/football fans? What percentage of rugby fans use the M606 on match days, and I ask this honestly?
[quote][p][bold]Steam Pig[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]theviking62[/bold] wrote: Buggy, let's keep ethnicity out of it. There good and bad citizens in all parts of the city. Some areas appear worse than others ie manningham, needs major redevelopment. West bowling / marsh field are other areas that could use some money spending on them. But wibsey, low moor, and the immediate area around odsal are consider residential. Boy, and do you court trouble, calling woodside, buttershaw, estates.[/p][/quote]I have to agree with some of this quote as I live in area, but all regions in Bradford have there problems, My view is develop Odsal because its close to motorway also there is a train line close by so I am sure a siding could be built to alight passengers via train, as far as those vadal comments last time I had a window broke in 1st season there after that I caught bus that was laid on at Odsal. Keep ODSAL ALIVE don't kill it off it has just as much history as VP, I have a programme with my late fathers name in it when he played in WEST RIDING CUP FINAL THERE IN 1950's[/p][/quote]Again though Steam Pig, what good is the motorway to most Bradford rugby/football fans? What percentage of rugby fans use the M606 on match days, and I ask this honestly? djmoulson
  • Score: 0

2:06pm Sat 28 Apr 12

Half Time says...

djmoulson wrote:
Steam Pig wrote:
theviking62 wrote:
Buggy, let's keep ethnicity out of it. There good and bad citizens in all parts of the city. Some areas appear worse than others ie manningham, needs major redevelopment. West bowling / marsh field are other areas that could use some money spending on them. But wibsey, low moor, and the immediate area around odsal are consider residential. Boy, and do you court trouble, calling woodside, buttershaw, estates.
I have to agree with some of this quote as I live in area, but all regions in Bradford have there problems, My view is develop Odsal because its close to motorway also there is a train line close by so I am sure a siding could be built to alight passengers via train, as far as those vadal comments last time I had a window broke in 1st season there after that I caught bus that was laid on at Odsal. Keep ODSAL ALIVE don't kill it off it has just as much history as VP, I have a programme with my late fathers name in it when he played in WEST RIDING CUP FINAL THERE IN 1950's
Again though Steam Pig, what good is the motorway to most Bradford rugby/football fans? What percentage of rugby fans use the M606 on match days, and I ask this honestly?
.
[quote][p][bold]djmoulson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Steam Pig[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]theviking62[/bold] wrote: Buggy, let's keep ethnicity out of it. There good and bad citizens in all parts of the city. Some areas appear worse than others ie manningham, needs major redevelopment. West bowling / marsh field are other areas that could use some money spending on them. But wibsey, low moor, and the immediate area around odsal are consider residential. Boy, and do you court trouble, calling woodside, buttershaw, estates.[/p][/quote]I have to agree with some of this quote as I live in area, but all regions in Bradford have there problems, My view is develop Odsal because its close to motorway also there is a train line close by so I am sure a siding could be built to alight passengers via train, as far as those vadal comments last time I had a window broke in 1st season there after that I caught bus that was laid on at Odsal. Keep ODSAL ALIVE don't kill it off it has just as much history as VP, I have a programme with my late fathers name in it when he played in WEST RIDING CUP FINAL THERE IN 1950's[/p][/quote]Again though Steam Pig, what good is the motorway to most Bradford rugby/football fans? What percentage of rugby fans use the M606 on match days, and I ask this honestly?[/p][/quote]. Half Time
  • Score: 0

2:15pm Sat 28 Apr 12

Half Time says...

I am an Avenue and Bulls supporter. I remember in the 70s when Avenue had to go to Valley Parade permanently and City screwed them into the ground and out of business. The Bulls should not share VP or Odsal with them. They will not be sharing they will simply be being screwed. City do not know what sharing is!!! If we end up going to VP I will never feel as if I am at a home match again.
I am an Avenue and Bulls supporter. I remember in the 70s when Avenue had to go to Valley Parade permanently and City screwed them into the ground and out of business. The Bulls should not share VP or Odsal with them. They will not be sharing they will simply be being screwed. City do not know what sharing is!!! If we end up going to VP I will never feel as if I am at a home match again. Half Time
  • Score: 0

2:19pm Sat 28 Apr 12

huggy b says...

Steam Pig wrote:
theviking62 wrote:
Buggy, let's keep ethnicity out of it. There good and bad citizens in all parts of the city. Some areas appear worse than others ie manningham, needs major redevelopment. West bowling / marsh field are other areas that could use some money spending on them. But wibsey, low moor, and the immediate area around odsal are consider residential. Boy, and do you court trouble, calling woodside, buttershaw, estates.
I have to agree with some of this quote as I live in area, but all regions in Bradford have there problems, My view is develop Odsal because its close to motorway also there is a train line close by so I am sure a siding could be built to alight passengers via train, as far as those vadal comments last time I had a window broke in 1st season there after that I caught bus that was laid on at Odsal. Keep ODSAL ALIVE don't kill it off it has just as much history as VP, I have a programme with my late fathers name in it when he played in WEST RIDING CUP FINAL THERE IN 1950's
The issue isn't one of sentiment but one of practicality. Odsal would need tens of millions pumped into it to get it up to standard and who can afford or is willing to pay for it? Valley Parade would need a better and bigger pitch but that would cost far less to achieve. VP is situated between two train stations and on a major bus route and between two major roads therefore easy to reach. When pigs fly and someone transforms Odsal into a modern stadium that meets Super League and Football League standards (remember SL is a franchise now), as a fan of both teams I would have no problem with City moving the opposite way. That is not likely to happen though. Better the Bulls save money and play at VP than go bust/get kicked out of SL by staying at Odsal.
[quote][p][bold]Steam Pig[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]theviking62[/bold] wrote: Buggy, let's keep ethnicity out of it. There good and bad citizens in all parts of the city. Some areas appear worse than others ie manningham, needs major redevelopment. West bowling / marsh field are other areas that could use some money spending on them. But wibsey, low moor, and the immediate area around odsal are consider residential. Boy, and do you court trouble, calling woodside, buttershaw, estates.[/p][/quote]I have to agree with some of this quote as I live in area, but all regions in Bradford have there problems, My view is develop Odsal because its close to motorway also there is a train line close by so I am sure a siding could be built to alight passengers via train, as far as those vadal comments last time I had a window broke in 1st season there after that I caught bus that was laid on at Odsal. Keep ODSAL ALIVE don't kill it off it has just as much history as VP, I have a programme with my late fathers name in it when he played in WEST RIDING CUP FINAL THERE IN 1950's[/p][/quote]The issue isn't one of sentiment but one of practicality. Odsal would need tens of millions pumped into it to get it up to standard and who can afford or is willing to pay for it? Valley Parade would need a better and bigger pitch but that would cost far less to achieve. VP is situated between two train stations and on a major bus route and between two major roads therefore easy to reach. When pigs fly and someone transforms Odsal into a modern stadium that meets Super League and Football League standards (remember SL is a franchise now), as a fan of both teams I would have no problem with City moving the opposite way. That is not likely to happen though. Better the Bulls save money and play at VP than go bust/get kicked out of SL by staying at Odsal. huggy b
  • Score: 0

2:32pm Sat 28 Apr 12

Nickloza says...

speakeroftruth wrote:
Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:
speakeroftruth wrote:
angry bradfordian wrote:
barbarian mike wrote:
Odsal is a superb and iconic venue. Stay there if we can! Don't know why this fella deems it fit for him to throw his opinion in!?
He's an MP who probably has constituents who are Bulls fans, so he's got a right to air his view. Which particular views do you disagree with? Even the most ardent Bulls fan would find it difficult to call Odsal 'superb' and the dwindling crowds are a testament to that- it's one of the worst 2 or 3 grounds in Super League.
how many 20,000 crowds have city pulled in recently?
When we were in the top division of our sport, topped it a few times and was running at an average of approx 18k.

How many fans would the Bulls be gettingif they were in the RFL equivalent of the 4th division? Not nearly 10k per week I'd hazard to guess.

Moot point.

Next!
My question was how many 20,000 crowds have bradford pulled in recently? not 12 years ago
and you have still failed to answer that
City had 17000 a few months ago and that was all City fans how many of the 20000 were Leeds fans? They only turned up to try and save the club (rightly so too)
[quote][p][bold]speakeroftruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Prisoner Cell Block A[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]speakeroftruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]angry bradfordian[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]barbarian mike[/bold] wrote: Odsal is a superb and iconic venue. Stay there if we can! Don't know why this fella deems it fit for him to throw his opinion in!?[/p][/quote]He's an MP who probably has constituents who are Bulls fans, so he's got a right to air his view. Which particular views do you disagree with? Even the most ardent Bulls fan would find it difficult to call Odsal 'superb' and the dwindling crowds are a testament to that- it's one of the worst 2 or 3 grounds in Super League.[/p][/quote]how many 20,000 crowds have city pulled in recently?[/p][/quote]When we were in the top division of our sport, topped it a few times and was running at an average of approx 18k. How many fans would the Bulls be gettingif they were in the RFL equivalent of the 4th division? Not nearly 10k per week I'd hazard to guess. Moot point. Next![/p][/quote]My question was how many 20,000 crowds have bradford pulled in recently? not 12 years ago and you have still failed to answer that[/p][/quote]City had 17000 a few months ago and that was all City fans how many of the 20000 were Leeds fans? They only turned up to try and save the club (rightly so too) Nickloza
  • Score: 0

6:09pm Sat 28 Apr 12

billybobbull says...

djmoulson wrote:
Steam Pig wrote:
theviking62 wrote:
Buggy, let's keep ethnicity out of it. There good and bad citizens in all parts of the city. Some areas appear worse than others ie manningham, needs major redevelopment. West bowling / marsh field are other areas that could use some money spending on them. But wibsey, low moor, and the immediate area around odsal are consider residential. Boy, and do you court trouble, calling woodside, buttershaw, estates.
I have to agree with some of this quote as I live in area, but all regions in Bradford have there problems, My view is develop Odsal because its close to motorway also there is a train line close by so I am sure a siding could be built to alight passengers via train, as far as those vadal comments last time I had a window broke in 1st season there after that I caught bus that was laid on at Odsal. Keep ODSAL ALIVE don't kill it off it has just as much history as VP, I have a programme with my late fathers name in it when he played in WEST RIDING CUP FINAL THERE IN 1950's
Again though Steam Pig, what good is the motorway to most Bradford rugby/football fans? What percentage of rugby fans use the M606 on match days, and I ask this honestly?
Let me think.......fans from, Warrington, Widnes, St Helens, Wigan, Castleford Wakefield, Hull, Hull KR...some from Leeds...and of course, people like me (born in Bradford) who live outside Bradford but still support the Bulls...so actually probably about 75% of visting RL fans use the M606. Now lets examine if City played there and actually succeeded in getting back to the top two divisions. maybe better to name the fan's of the teams who would NOT use the M606 and still think the access was great. Some Leeds fans, Huddersfield fans erm...ermm...thinkin
g hard here....Cleckheaton Cougars...(sorry they don't exist)......sorry I am stuck. So pretty much EVERY single club's supporters in the top two football divisions fans would love easy access to Odsal via the M62/M606.

So djmoulson.....think carefully. This is not just about the Bulls or the City it is about the CITY OF BRADFORD and our reputation. Lots will visit if they have easy access and a safe enjoyable visit via M606. Odsal gives both. VP gives a very negative view of our 'back hole' and visitors (including me) are NOT impressed by access, parking, safety, hospitality (no pubs) and leave thinking WOW, it is a 'back hole'. I ain't coming here again!
Those people affect the opportunities our (could) children have in the future. Maybe we should impress them not show them our worst parts.
[quote][p][bold]djmoulson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Steam Pig[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]theviking62[/bold] wrote: Buggy, let's keep ethnicity out of it. There good and bad citizens in all parts of the city. Some areas appear worse than others ie manningham, needs major redevelopment. West bowling / marsh field are other areas that could use some money spending on them. But wibsey, low moor, and the immediate area around odsal are consider residential. Boy, and do you court trouble, calling woodside, buttershaw, estates.[/p][/quote]I have to agree with some of this quote as I live in area, but all regions in Bradford have there problems, My view is develop Odsal because its close to motorway also there is a train line close by so I am sure a siding could be built to alight passengers via train, as far as those vadal comments last time I had a window broke in 1st season there after that I caught bus that was laid on at Odsal. Keep ODSAL ALIVE don't kill it off it has just as much history as VP, I have a programme with my late fathers name in it when he played in WEST RIDING CUP FINAL THERE IN 1950's[/p][/quote]Again though Steam Pig, what good is the motorway to most Bradford rugby/football fans? What percentage of rugby fans use the M606 on match days, and I ask this honestly?[/p][/quote]Let me think.......fans from, Warrington, Widnes, St Helens, Wigan, Castleford Wakefield, Hull, Hull KR...some from Leeds...and of course, people like me (born in Bradford) who live outside Bradford but still support the Bulls...so actually probably about 75% of visting RL fans use the M606. Now lets examine if City played there and actually succeeded in getting back to the top two divisions. maybe better to name the fan's of the teams who would NOT use the M606 and still think the access was great. Some Leeds fans, Huddersfield fans erm...ermm...thinkin g hard here....Cleckheaton Cougars...(sorry they don't exist)......sorry I am stuck. So pretty much EVERY single club's supporters in the top two football divisions fans would love easy access to Odsal via the M62/M606. So djmoulson.....think carefully. This is not just about the Bulls or the City it is about the CITY OF BRADFORD and our reputation. Lots will visit if they have easy access and a safe enjoyable visit via M606. Odsal gives both. VP gives a very negative view of our 'back hole' and visitors (including me) are NOT impressed by access, parking, safety, hospitality (no pubs) and leave thinking WOW, it is a 'back hole'. I ain't coming here again! Those people affect the opportunities our (could) children have in the future. Maybe we should impress them not show them our worst parts. billybobbull
  • Score: 0

7:12pm Sat 28 Apr 12

eebygum says...

I think some on here are making this an argument about Bulls V Bradford City as a City fan I have no axe to grind with Bulls fans and wish them all the luck in tghe world to get out of the present mess. My concern is that Mr Wards Cunning plan is straight from the Blackadder series flawed. If both clubs ground shared it would be a dangerous road to go down if City or the Bulls should go into administration again one could drag the other down with them. As I pointed out earlier what would happen should there be a need for repairs or a new pitch needed and one or the other cannot afford to pay. Where does the money come from to up grade Odsal or vice-versa to meet the requirements of both codes. I suppose Mr Ward could answer this rather than throwing pie in the sky ideas at both clubs.
I think some on here are making this an argument about Bulls V Bradford City as a City fan I have no axe to grind with Bulls fans and wish them all the luck in tghe world to get out of the present mess. My concern is that Mr Wards Cunning plan is straight from the Blackadder series flawed. If both clubs ground shared it would be a dangerous road to go down if City or the Bulls should go into administration again one could drag the other down with them. As I pointed out earlier what would happen should there be a need for repairs or a new pitch needed and one or the other cannot afford to pay. Where does the money come from to up grade Odsal or vice-versa to meet the requirements of both codes. I suppose Mr Ward could answer this rather than throwing pie in the sky ideas at both clubs. eebygum
  • Score: 0

7:57pm Sat 28 Apr 12

billybobbull says...

It's not complicated. Pretty straight tactics really.
Show your big hole on the door step and impress visitors through the get in and get out quickly mentality. ..Shock the visitors with the unexpected and take control of your futures.

Or let the vistors see your back passage, allow it to get complicated and negative; it might get dirty (and boring) your arse might be sore afterwards and the visitors will not come back unles you will bend over and work for minimum wage and still show your back hole. (Manninham!)

THIS IS ABOUT THE REPUTATION OF BRADFORD. NOT ((JUST) THE SPORTS CLUBS!
It's not complicated. Pretty straight tactics really. Show your big hole on the door step and impress visitors through the get in and get out quickly mentality. ..Shock the visitors with the unexpected and take control of your futures. Or let the vistors see your back passage, allow it to get complicated and negative; it might get dirty (and boring) your arse might be sore afterwards and the visitors will not come back unles you will bend over and work for minimum wage and still show your back hole. (Manninham!) THIS IS ABOUT THE REPUTATION OF BRADFORD. NOT ((JUST) THE SPORTS CLUBS! billybobbull
  • Score: 0

12:22am Sun 29 Apr 12

MisterBD says...

birkybull wrote:
Move City to Odsal. Then no one has to enter Mini pakistan or mini afghanistan when they want to go watch City. The area around the ground is a total Ghetto. City would pay peanuts in rent at Odsal just like the Bulls are doing. Gibb would be left with a big elephant doing nothing.The Valley Parade pitch is not big enough to play Rugby league FULL STOP.
get real the whole town is a ghetto !
[quote][p][bold]birkybull[/bold] wrote: Move City to Odsal. Then no one has to enter Mini pakistan or mini afghanistan when they want to go watch City. The area around the ground is a total Ghetto. City would pay peanuts in rent at Odsal just like the Bulls are doing. Gibb would be left with a big elephant doing nothing.The Valley Parade pitch is not big enough to play Rugby league FULL STOP.[/p][/quote]get real the whole town is a ghetto ! MisterBD
  • Score: 0

1:10pm Sun 29 Apr 12

CleckheatonBull says...

What world is this giy living in. The only people this would benefit would be Bradford City. The amount we're paying on Odsal is no where near what we would have to pay at VP, the stadium is crippling BC.

Also what wold this MP do with Odsal?? Just what the city needs, another huge hole in the ground.
What world is this giy living in. The only people this would benefit would be Bradford City. The amount we're paying on Odsal is no where near what we would have to pay at VP, the stadium is crippling BC. Also what wold this MP do with Odsal?? Just what the city needs, another huge hole in the ground. CleckheatonBull
  • Score: 0

1:48pm Sun 29 Apr 12

djmoulson says...

billybobbull wrote:
djmoulson wrote:
Steam Pig wrote:
theviking62 wrote:
Buggy, let's keep ethnicity out of it. There good and bad citizens in all parts of the city. Some areas appear worse than others ie manningham, needs major redevelopment. West bowling / marsh field are other areas that could use some money spending on them. But wibsey, low moor, and the immediate area around odsal are consider residential. Boy, and do you court trouble, calling woodside, buttershaw, estates.
I have to agree with some of this quote as I live in area, but all regions in Bradford have there problems, My view is develop Odsal because its close to motorway also there is a train line close by so I am sure a siding could be built to alight passengers via train, as far as those vadal comments last time I had a window broke in 1st season there after that I caught bus that was laid on at Odsal. Keep ODSAL ALIVE don't kill it off it has just as much history as VP, I have a programme with my late fathers name in it when he played in WEST RIDING CUP FINAL THERE IN 1950's
Again though Steam Pig, what good is the motorway to most Bradford rugby/football fans? What percentage of rugby fans use the M606 on match days, and I ask this honestly?
Let me think.......fans from, Warrington, Widnes, St Helens, Wigan, Castleford Wakefield, Hull, Hull KR...some from Leeds...and of course, people like me (born in Bradford) who live outside Bradford but still support the Bulls...so actually probably about 75% of visting RL fans use the M606. Now lets examine if City played there and actually succeeded in getting back to the top two divisions. maybe better to name the fan's of the teams who would NOT use the M606 and still think the access was great. Some Leeds fans, Huddersfield fans erm...ermm...thinkin

g hard here....Cleckheaton Cougars...(sorry they don't exist)......sorry I am stuck. So pretty much EVERY single club's supporters in the top two football divisions fans would love easy access to Odsal via the M62/M606.

So djmoulson.....think carefully. This is not just about the Bulls or the City it is about the CITY OF BRADFORD and our reputation. Lots will visit if they have easy access and a safe enjoyable visit via M606. Odsal gives both. VP gives a very negative view of our 'back hole' and visitors (including me) are NOT impressed by access, parking, safety, hospitality (no pubs) and leave thinking WOW, it is a 'back hole'. I ain't coming here again!
Those people affect the opportunities our (could) children have in the future. Maybe we should impress them not show them our worst parts.
billybobbull...I think you have COMPLETELY got the wrong end of the stick regarding my question regrding away supporters coming to watch matches, and don't appreciate your tone in honesty, it's a genuine question but regarding the percentage of way supporters and local supporters who use the M606 compared to the total attendance PER MATCH DAY against local supporters travelling from their homes in the surrounding areas, not the number of clubs that use it when they travel, as that is blatantly obvious. The point being it's a small amount, or is it, as I asked? Is it different for Rugby League? I'm not bothered about away supporters, they can fight there way to Bradford for me, I'm bothered about BRADFORD supporters, all of us!! nd for information most of the teams who come visit VP think it's their cup final when they visit, as do the supporters, effort is made by them to come see a big ground in L2, as it is deemed by them as something far better than on offer anywhere else in the division, I'm sure the away fans from Wigan, Widnes, St Helens, Warrington, Huddersfield, Hull just LOVE coming to the Odsal Superbowl!! Even some of their new stadia aren't next to a motorway & I'm sure you don't see Leeds fan's too worried about parking in Headingley on match days...as that's also right next to the M62 isn't it...!!! Have a word with yourself before you start bleating as it was a sincere question.
[quote][p][bold]billybobbull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]djmoulson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Steam Pig[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]theviking62[/bold] wrote: Buggy, let's keep ethnicity out of it. There good and bad citizens in all parts of the city. Some areas appear worse than others ie manningham, needs major redevelopment. West bowling / marsh field are other areas that could use some money spending on them. But wibsey, low moor, and the immediate area around odsal are consider residential. Boy, and do you court trouble, calling woodside, buttershaw, estates.[/p][/quote]I have to agree with some of this quote as I live in area, but all regions in Bradford have there problems, My view is develop Odsal because its close to motorway also there is a train line close by so I am sure a siding could be built to alight passengers via train, as far as those vadal comments last time I had a window broke in 1st season there after that I caught bus that was laid on at Odsal. Keep ODSAL ALIVE don't kill it off it has just as much history as VP, I have a programme with my late fathers name in it when he played in WEST RIDING CUP FINAL THERE IN 1950's[/p][/quote]Again though Steam Pig, what good is the motorway to most Bradford rugby/football fans? What percentage of rugby fans use the M606 on match days, and I ask this honestly?[/p][/quote]Let me think.......fans from, Warrington, Widnes, St Helens, Wigan, Castleford Wakefield, Hull, Hull KR...some from Leeds...and of course, people like me (born in Bradford) who live outside Bradford but still support the Bulls...so actually probably about 75% of visting RL fans use the M606. Now lets examine if City played there and actually succeeded in getting back to the top two divisions. maybe better to name the fan's of the teams who would NOT use the M606 and still think the access was great. Some Leeds fans, Huddersfield fans erm...ermm...thinkin g hard here....Cleckheaton Cougars...(sorry they don't exist)......sorry I am stuck. So pretty much EVERY single club's supporters in the top two football divisions fans would love easy access to Odsal via the M62/M606. So djmoulson.....think carefully. This is not just about the Bulls or the City it is about the CITY OF BRADFORD and our reputation. Lots will visit if they have easy access and a safe enjoyable visit via M606. Odsal gives both. VP gives a very negative view of our 'back hole' and visitors (including me) are NOT impressed by access, parking, safety, hospitality (no pubs) and leave thinking WOW, it is a 'back hole'. I ain't coming here again! Those people affect the opportunities our (could) children have in the future. Maybe we should impress them not show them our worst parts.[/p][/quote]billybobbull...I think you have COMPLETELY got the wrong end of the stick regarding my question regrding away supporters coming to watch matches, and don't appreciate your tone in honesty, it's a genuine question but regarding the percentage of way supporters and local supporters who use the M606 compared to the total attendance PER MATCH DAY against local supporters travelling from their homes in the surrounding areas, not the number of clubs that use it when they travel, as that is blatantly obvious. The point being it's a small amount, or is it, as I asked? Is it different for Rugby League? I'm not bothered about away supporters, they can fight there way to Bradford for me, I'm bothered about BRADFORD supporters, all of us!! nd for information most of the teams who come visit VP think it's their cup final when they visit, as do the supporters, effort is made by them to come see a big ground in L2, as it is deemed by them as something far better than on offer anywhere else in the division, I'm sure the away fans from Wigan, Widnes, St Helens, Warrington, Huddersfield, Hull just LOVE coming to the Odsal Superbowl!! Even some of their new stadia aren't next to a motorway & I'm sure you don't see Leeds fan's too worried about parking in Headingley on match days...as that's also right next to the M62 isn't it...!!! Have a word with yourself before you start bleating as it was a sincere question. djmoulson
  • Score: 0

2:12pm Sun 29 Apr 12

arhmen aleg says...

MisterBD wrote:
birkybull wrote: Move City to Odsal. Then no one has to enter Mini pakistan or mini afghanistan when they want to go watch City. The area around the ground is a total Ghetto. City would pay peanuts in rent at Odsal just like the Bulls are doing. Gibb would be left with a big elephant doing nothing.The Valley Parade pitch is not big enough to play Rugby league FULL STOP.
get real the whole town is a ghetto !
Agree about the ghetto.
the bigger picture from an Avenue fan.
1.neither club now own their ground.
2.VP has potential good land value for a supermarket to serve the rapidly expanding local population.
3.Odsal has significantly high land value as a land fill site.
4,Land behind Oddsal can be linked easily to the 606 also retaining access from odsal top.
5.The motarway link would open up acres of other development land for potential iinvestors.Man City and City of Manchester council have entered into agreements to develop state of the art facilities for Man City and the arab money will see derelict land surrounding the site developed.It can be done.
5.A CITY OF BRADFORD Stadium would serve the needs of 20000 potential bullites and 20000 potential paraders.
Not forgetting my own club BPA whose fans have always had a close affinity with the Bulls.
6.Most 20000 stadiums may cost anything between 20 to 40 million.
7.A self serving puddle for those that live next to it in the town hall has cost OVER 25 million.No jobs are created as a consequence of the puddle and will never be.In these times it is economic madness a pandering folly to councillor stupidity,nice as it is.At least the memorial to the 56 poor souls of 1985 have a nice backdrop to quiet contemplation.
7.I ask why are all not prepared to sacrifice historic sentimentality to end the economic madness.Most other towns and cities have overcome the sentimentality in the name of progress.Not many at the Riverside now mourn the loss of Ayresome Park or the same can be said for Roker,Leeds Road or any other former stadiums where housing (I am told much needed)or commerciacl developments now stand.
8.A brand new ground would unite most.Picthes today as at Liverpool,Finally Wembley (after 10 dig ups following the involvment of Bradfords Sports turf institute) have a mix of 3 G and natural grass.The modern artificial supplement does not give the pitches any other effect than GRASS.

I will never understand why things are so stupidly,bigotedly thought out in Bradford whist other cities progress that have suffered similar post deindustrialisation need to change.
George Galloway boldly states he has contacts with middle Eastern investors.
If the land off the 806 would interest them I feel sure the obstacles concerning lease arrangements with the current unsuitable for both codes of sport stadia and the bickering of fans and the holding on to the past could be overcome.
It just needs some common will.
All I see on here is the degeneration of the arguments to self serving self interested selfishness.
THE COMMON GOOD should never be far from the argument.
And it is financial constraint that the MP is attempting to tackle in his suggestion.
But then MP"s and councillors dont exactly practice what they preach in such matters.
Which is why the council spent towards 30 million building a puddle when 40000 regular followers of the two main clubs would probably have preferred a stadium.
Is that where the airp[ort sale money went.Still gives them a nice view out of City Hall paid for by me and you.And they lavish free catering at ALL their meetings.and are closing the very busy Richard Dunn cafe.
Vote for change this week.Galloway has spoken on national TV of his support for City and the Bulls.Vote Respect and hold him to it.
He may have indeed the contacts with the money men(none left here for sadly) to make some things happen for us long suffering Bradfordians.
THINGS COULD NOT BE RUN ANY WORSE THAN THE APPALLING MESS THE CITY HAS BECOME
Evertime I pass the derelict Park Avenue I weep at the madness that happened to that fine stadium through previous councillors stupidity.And the stubborness of Northern at the time not to use it.
Bradfordians should look to the bigger picture.And stop clinging sentimentally to our happy and many unhappy memories of the past.
NEW STADIUM.COUNCIL BACKED
[quote][p][bold]MisterBD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]birkybull[/bold] wrote: Move City to Odsal. Then no one has to enter Mini pakistan or mini afghanistan when they want to go watch City. The area around the ground is a total Ghetto. City would pay peanuts in rent at Odsal just like the Bulls are doing. Gibb would be left with a big elephant doing nothing.The Valley Parade pitch is not big enough to play Rugby league FULL STOP.[/p][/quote]get real the whole town is a ghetto ![/p][/quote]Agree about the ghetto. the bigger picture from an Avenue fan. 1.neither club now own their ground. 2.VP has potential good land value for a supermarket to serve the rapidly expanding local population. 3.Odsal has significantly high land value as a land fill site. 4,Land behind Oddsal can be linked easily to the 606 also retaining access from odsal top. 5.The motarway link would open up acres of other development land for potential iinvestors.Man City and City of Manchester council have entered into agreements to develop state of the art facilities for Man City and the arab money will see derelict land surrounding the site developed.It can be done. 5.A CITY OF BRADFORD Stadium would serve the needs of 20000 potential bullites and 20000 potential paraders. Not forgetting my own club BPA whose fans have always had a close affinity with the Bulls. 6.Most 20000 stadiums may cost anything between 20 to 40 million. 7.A self serving puddle for those that live next to it in the town hall has cost OVER 25 million.No jobs are created as a consequence of the puddle and will never be.In these times it is economic madness a pandering folly to councillor stupidity,nice as it is.At least the memorial to the 56 poor souls of 1985 have a nice backdrop to quiet contemplation. 7.I ask why are all not prepared to sacrifice historic sentimentality to end the economic madness.Most other towns and cities have overcome the sentimentality in the name of progress.Not many at the Riverside now mourn the loss of Ayresome Park or the same can be said for Roker,Leeds Road or any other former stadiums where housing (I am told much needed)or commerciacl developments now stand. 8.A brand new ground would unite most.Picthes today as at Liverpool,Finally Wembley (after 10 dig ups following the involvment of Bradfords Sports turf institute) have a mix of 3 G and natural grass.The modern artificial supplement does not give the pitches any other effect than GRASS. I will never understand why things are so stupidly,bigotedly thought out in Bradford whist other cities progress that have suffered similar post deindustrialisation need to change. George Galloway boldly states he has contacts with middle Eastern investors. If the land off the 806 would interest them I feel sure the obstacles concerning lease arrangements with the current unsuitable for both codes of sport stadia and the bickering of fans and the holding on to the past could be overcome. It just needs some common will. All I see on here is the degeneration of the arguments to self serving self interested selfishness. THE COMMON GOOD should never be far from the argument. And it is financial constraint that the MP is attempting to tackle in his suggestion. But then MP"s and councillors dont exactly practice what they preach in such matters. Which is why the council spent towards 30 million building a puddle when 40000 regular followers of the two main clubs would probably have preferred a stadium. Is that where the airp[ort sale money went.Still gives them a nice view out of City Hall paid for by me and you.And they lavish free catering at ALL their meetings.and are closing the very busy Richard Dunn cafe. Vote for change this week.Galloway has spoken on national TV of his support for City and the Bulls.Vote Respect and hold him to it. He may have indeed the contacts with the money men(none left here for sadly) to make some things happen for us long suffering Bradfordians. THINGS COULD NOT BE RUN ANY WORSE THAN THE APPALLING MESS THE CITY HAS BECOME Evertime I pass the derelict Park Avenue I weep at the madness that happened to that fine stadium through previous councillors stupidity.And the stubborness of Northern at the time not to use it. Bradfordians should look to the bigger picture.And stop clinging sentimentally to our happy and many unhappy memories of the past. NEW STADIUM.COUNCIL BACKED arhmen aleg
  • Score: 0

2:32pm Sun 29 Apr 12

djmoulson says...

arhmen aleg wrote:
MisterBD wrote:
birkybull wrote: Move City to Odsal. Then no one has to enter Mini pakistan or mini afghanistan when they want to go watch City. The area around the ground is a total Ghetto. City would pay peanuts in rent at Odsal just like the Bulls are doing. Gibb would be left with a big elephant doing nothing.The Valley Parade pitch is not big enough to play Rugby league FULL STOP.
get real the whole town is a ghetto !
Agree about the ghetto.
the bigger picture from an Avenue fan.
1.neither club now own their ground.
2.VP has potential good land value for a supermarket to serve the rapidly expanding local population.
3.Odsal has significantly high land value as a land fill site.
4,Land behind Oddsal can be linked easily to the 606 also retaining access from odsal top.
5.The motarway link would open up acres of other development land for potential iinvestors.Man City and City of Manchester council have entered into agreements to develop state of the art facilities for Man City and the arab money will see derelict land surrounding the site developed.It can be done.
5.A CITY OF BRADFORD Stadium would serve the needs of 20000 potential bullites and 20000 potential paraders.
Not forgetting my own club BPA whose fans have always had a close affinity with the Bulls.
6.Most 20000 stadiums may cost anything between 20 to 40 million.
7.A self serving puddle for those that live next to it in the town hall has cost OVER 25 million.No jobs are created as a consequence of the puddle and will never be.In these times it is economic madness a pandering folly to councillor stupidity,nice as it is.At least the memorial to the 56 poor souls of 1985 have a nice backdrop to quiet contemplation.
7.I ask why are all not prepared to sacrifice historic sentimentality to end the economic madness.Most other towns and cities have overcome the sentimentality in the name of progress.Not many at the Riverside now mourn the loss of Ayresome Park or the same can be said for Roker,Leeds Road or any other former stadiums where housing (I am told much needed)or commerciacl developments now stand.
8.A brand new ground would unite most.Picthes today as at Liverpool,Finally Wembley (after 10 dig ups following the involvment of Bradfords Sports turf institute) have a mix of 3 G and natural grass.The modern artificial supplement does not give the pitches any other effect than GRASS.

I will never understand why things are so stupidly,bigotedly thought out in Bradford whist other cities progress that have suffered similar post deindustrialisation need to change.
George Galloway boldly states he has contacts with middle Eastern investors.
If the land off the 806 would interest them I feel sure the obstacles concerning lease arrangements with the current unsuitable for both codes of sport stadia and the bickering of fans and the holding on to the past could be overcome.
It just needs some common will.
All I see on here is the degeneration of the arguments to self serving self interested selfishness.
THE COMMON GOOD should never be far from the argument.
And it is financial constraint that the MP is attempting to tackle in his suggestion.
But then MP"s and councillors dont exactly practice what they preach in such matters.
Which is why the council spent towards 30 million building a puddle when 40000 regular followers of the two main clubs would probably have preferred a stadium.
Is that where the airp
arhmen aleg, not everyone sits behind sentiment and wants to live in the past, and please read my post yesterday regarding 3G and a community stadium. No one can take away what's happened in the past, good or bad, we all remember. Short term VP would seem the answer, but long term there are many options, and I feel the majority would accept that. We can live in the past, or the twilight zone but Bradford will stand still if we do. CTID
[quote][p][bold]arhmen aleg[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MisterBD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]birkybull[/bold] wrote: Move City to Odsal. Then no one has to enter Mini pakistan or mini afghanistan when they want to go watch City. The area around the ground is a total Ghetto. City would pay peanuts in rent at Odsal just like the Bulls are doing. Gibb would be left with a big elephant doing nothing.The Valley Parade pitch is not big enough to play Rugby league FULL STOP.[/p][/quote]get real the whole town is a ghetto ![/p][/quote]Agree about the ghetto. the bigger picture from an Avenue fan. 1.neither club now own their ground. 2.VP has potential good land value for a supermarket to serve the rapidly expanding local population. 3.Odsal has significantly high land value as a land fill site. 4,Land behind Oddsal can be linked easily to the 606 also retaining access from odsal top. 5.The motarway link would open up acres of other development land for potential iinvestors.Man City and City of Manchester council have entered into agreements to develop state of the art facilities for Man City and the arab money will see derelict land surrounding the site developed.It can be done. 5.A CITY OF BRADFORD Stadium would serve the needs of 20000 potential bullites and 20000 potential paraders. Not forgetting my own club BPA whose fans have always had a close affinity with the Bulls. 6.Most 20000 stadiums may cost anything between 20 to 40 million. 7.A self serving puddle for those that live next to it in the town hall has cost OVER 25 million.No jobs are created as a consequence of the puddle and will never be.In these times it is economic madness a pandering folly to councillor stupidity,nice as it is.At least the memorial to the 56 poor souls of 1985 have a nice backdrop to quiet contemplation. 7.I ask why are all not prepared to sacrifice historic sentimentality to end the economic madness.Most other towns and cities have overcome the sentimentality in the name of progress.Not many at the Riverside now mourn the loss of Ayresome Park or the same can be said for Roker,Leeds Road or any other former stadiums where housing (I am told much needed)or commerciacl developments now stand. 8.A brand new ground would unite most.Picthes today as at Liverpool,Finally Wembley (after 10 dig ups following the involvment of Bradfords Sports turf institute) have a mix of 3 G and natural grass.The modern artificial supplement does not give the pitches any other effect than GRASS. I will never understand why things are so stupidly,bigotedly thought out in Bradford whist other cities progress that have suffered similar post deindustrialisation need to change. George Galloway boldly states he has contacts with middle Eastern investors. If the land off the 806 would interest them I feel sure the obstacles concerning lease arrangements with the current unsuitable for both codes of sport stadia and the bickering of fans and the holding on to the past could be overcome. It just needs some common will. All I see on here is the degeneration of the arguments to self serving self interested selfishness. THE COMMON GOOD should never be far from the argument. And it is financial constraint that the MP is attempting to tackle in his suggestion. But then MP"s and councillors dont exactly practice what they preach in such matters. Which is why the council spent towards 30 million building a puddle when 40000 regular followers of the two main clubs would probably have preferred a stadium. Is that where the airp[ort sale money went.Still gives them a nice view out of City Hall paid for by me and you.And they lavish free catering at ALL their meetings.and are closing the very busy Richard Dunn cafe. Vote for change this week.Galloway has spoken on national TV of his support for City and the Bulls.Vote Respect and hold him to it. He may have indeed the contacts with the money men(none left here for sadly) to make some things happen for us long suffering Bradfordians. THINGS COULD NOT BE RUN ANY WORSE THAN THE APPALLING MESS THE CITY HAS BECOME Evertime I pass the derelict Park Avenue I weep at the madness that happened to that fine stadium through previous councillors stupidity.And the stubborness of Northern at the time not to use it. Bradfordians should look to the bigger picture.And stop clinging sentimentally to our happy and many unhappy memories of the past. NEW STADIUM.COUNCIL BACKED[/p][/quote]arhmen aleg, not everyone sits behind sentiment and wants to live in the past, and please read my post yesterday regarding 3G and a community stadium. No one can take away what's happened in the past, good or bad, we all remember. Short term VP would seem the answer, but long term there are many options, and I feel the majority would accept that. We can live in the past, or the twilight zone but Bradford will stand still if we do. CTID djmoulson
  • Score: 0

4:27pm Sun 29 Apr 12

Prisoner Cell Block A says...

@ rosésrwhite' I mailed the paper and asked for the comment to be removed myself as I could see it was offensive to a group of people I have no issue with and would protect or stand up for as I did against the idiot who knows nothing about the residents that live near VP.

As for the job, a UN9 analyst, MFT administrator and employed for 30 continuous years. I'd stick to facts, they tend to make you look less stupid. Has the HRT run out, or is it the wife?
@ rosésrwhite' I mailed the paper and asked for the comment to be removed myself as I could see it was offensive to a group of people I have no issue with and would protect or stand up for as I did against the idiot who knows nothing about the residents that live near VP. As for the job, a UN9 analyst, MFT administrator and employed for 30 continuous years. I'd stick to facts, they tend to make you look less stupid. Has the HRT run out, or is it the wife? Prisoner Cell Block A
  • Score: 0

4:49pm Sun 29 Apr 12

arhmen aleg says...

djmoulson wrote:
arhmen aleg wrote:
MisterBD wrote:
birkybull wrote: Move City to Odsal. Then no one has to enter Mini pakistan or mini afghanistan when they want to go watch City. The area around the ground is a total Ghetto. City would pay peanuts in rent at Odsal just like the Bulls are doing. Gibb would be left with a big elephant doing nothing.The Valley Parade pitch is not big enough to play Rugby league FULL STOP.
get real the whole town is a ghetto !
Agree about the ghetto. the bigger picture from an Avenue fan. 1.neither club now own their ground. 2.VP has potential good land value for a supermarket to serve the rapidly expanding local population. 3.Odsal has significantly high land value as a land fill site. 4,Land behind Oddsal can be linked easily to the 606 also retaining access from odsal top. 5.The motarway link would open up acres of other development land for potential iinvestors.Man City and City of Manchester council have entered into agreements to develop state of the art facilities for Man City and the arab money will see derelict land surrounding the site developed.It can be done. 5.A CITY OF BRADFORD Stadium would serve the needs of 20000 potential bullites and 20000 potential paraders. Not forgetting my own club BPA whose fans have always had a close affinity with the Bulls. 6.Most 20000 stadiums may cost anything between 20 to 40 million. 7.A self serving puddle for those that live next to it in the town hall has cost OVER 25 million.No jobs are created as a consequence of the puddle and will never be.In these times it is economic madness a pandering folly to councillor stupidity,nice as it is.At least the memorial to the 56 poor souls of 1985 have a nice backdrop to quiet contemplation. 7.I ask why are all not prepared to sacrifice historic sentimentality to end the economic madness.Most other towns and cities have overcome the sentimentality in the name of progress.Not many at the Riverside now mourn the loss of Ayresome Park or the same can be said for Roker,Leeds Road or any other former stadiums where housing (I am told much needed)or commerciacl developments now stand. 8.A brand new ground would unite most.Picthes today as at Liverpool,Finally Wembley (after 10 dig ups following the involvment of Bradfords Sports turf institute) have a mix of 3 G and natural grass.The modern artificial supplement does not give the pitches any other effect than GRASS. I will never understand why things are so stupidly,bigotedly thought out in Bradford whist other cities progress that have suffered similar post deindustrialisation need to change. George Galloway boldly states he has contacts with middle Eastern investors. If the land off the 806 would interest them I feel sure the obstacles concerning lease arrangements with the current unsuitable for both codes of sport stadia and the bickering of fans and the holding on to the past could be overcome. It just needs some common will. All I see on here is the degeneration of the arguments to self serving self interested selfishness. THE COMMON GOOD should never be far from the argument. And it is financial constraint that the MP is attempting to tackle in his suggestion. But then MP"s and councillors dont exactly practice what they preach in such matters. Which is why the council spent towards 30 million building a puddle when 40000 regular followers of the two main clubs would probably have preferred a stadium. Is that where the airp
arhmen aleg, not everyone sits behind sentiment and wants to live in the past, and please read my post yesterday regarding 3G and a community stadium. No one can take away what's happened in the past, good or bad, we all remember. Short term VP would seem the answer, but long term there are many options, and I feel the majority would accept that. We can live in the past, or the twilight zone but Bradford will stand still if we do. CTID
Common sense.Not sure where your 3 g post is but we all know summer rugby and soccer works ok at many other citys new stadium.Coventry is an excellent example and swansea liberty.Remember the dump veitch field was.I do when I past the two sider whilst at the great Robbie James funeral only back in 1999.
If the bulls jump now to VP a new stadium would never happen.And Gibb may not allow it given his hatred for the City.
You have my sympathy.The majority of Bullites do not appear to have stomach for such a move either.
But then when did fans ever get a say in the running of their clubs.
Avenue forever.glad City have stayed up.
One day the city will turn.
dont rely on Ken or Jack.They did their bit and walked because of the attitude of the sort of bigotry that comes out on here.
Where there is a will there is a hope.
[quote][p][bold]djmoulson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]arhmen aleg[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MisterBD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]birkybull[/bold] wrote: Move City to Odsal. Then no one has to enter Mini pakistan or mini afghanistan when they want to go watch City. The area around the ground is a total Ghetto. City would pay peanuts in rent at Odsal just like the Bulls are doing. Gibb would be left with a big elephant doing nothing.The Valley Parade pitch is not big enough to play Rugby league FULL STOP.[/p][/quote]get real the whole town is a ghetto ![/p][/quote]Agree about the ghetto. the bigger picture from an Avenue fan. 1.neither club now own their ground. 2.VP has potential good land value for a supermarket to serve the rapidly expanding local population. 3.Odsal has significantly high land value as a land fill site. 4,Land behind Oddsal can be linked easily to the 606 also retaining access from odsal top. 5.The motarway link would open up acres of other development land for potential iinvestors.Man City and City of Manchester council have entered into agreements to develop state of the art facilities for Man City and the arab money will see derelict land surrounding the site developed.It can be done. 5.A CITY OF BRADFORD Stadium would serve the needs of 20000 potential bullites and 20000 potential paraders. Not forgetting my own club BPA whose fans have always had a close affinity with the Bulls. 6.Most 20000 stadiums may cost anything between 20 to 40 million. 7.A self serving puddle for those that live next to it in the town hall has cost OVER 25 million.No jobs are created as a consequence of the puddle and will never be.In these times it is economic madness a pandering folly to councillor stupidity,nice as it is.At least the memorial to the 56 poor souls of 1985 have a nice backdrop to quiet contemplation. 7.I ask why are all not prepared to sacrifice historic sentimentality to end the economic madness.Most other towns and cities have overcome the sentimentality in the name of progress.Not many at the Riverside now mourn the loss of Ayresome Park or the same can be said for Roker,Leeds Road or any other former stadiums where housing (I am told much needed)or commerciacl developments now stand. 8.A brand new ground would unite most.Picthes today as at Liverpool,Finally Wembley (after 10 dig ups following the involvment of Bradfords Sports turf institute) have a mix of 3 G and natural grass.The modern artificial supplement does not give the pitches any other effect than GRASS. I will never understand why things are so stupidly,bigotedly thought out in Bradford whist other cities progress that have suffered similar post deindustrialisation need to change. George Galloway boldly states he has contacts with middle Eastern investors. If the land off the 806 would interest them I feel sure the obstacles concerning lease arrangements with the current unsuitable for both codes of sport stadia and the bickering of fans and the holding on to the past could be overcome. It just needs some common will. All I see on here is the degeneration of the arguments to self serving self interested selfishness. THE COMMON GOOD should never be far from the argument. And it is financial constraint that the MP is attempting to tackle in his suggestion. But then MP"s and councillors dont exactly practice what they preach in such matters. Which is why the council spent towards 30 million building a puddle when 40000 regular followers of the two main clubs would probably have preferred a stadium. Is that where the airp[ort sale money went.Still gives them a nice view out of City Hall paid for by me and you.And they lavish free catering at ALL their meetings.and are closing the very busy Richard Dunn cafe. Vote for change this week.Galloway has spoken on national TV of his support for City and the Bulls.Vote Respect and hold him to it. He may have indeed the contacts with the money men(none left here for sadly) to make some things happen for us long suffering Bradfordians. THINGS COULD NOT BE RUN ANY WORSE THAN THE APPALLING MESS THE CITY HAS BECOME Evertime I pass the derelict Park Avenue I weep at the madness that happened to that fine stadium through previous councillors stupidity.And the stubborness of Northern at the time not to use it. Bradfordians should look to the bigger picture.And stop clinging sentimentally to our happy and many unhappy memories of the past. NEW STADIUM.COUNCIL BACKED[/p][/quote]arhmen aleg, not everyone sits behind sentiment and wants to live in the past, and please read my post yesterday regarding 3G and a community stadium. No one can take away what's happened in the past, good or bad, we all remember. Short term VP would seem the answer, but long term there are many options, and I feel the majority would accept that. We can live in the past, or the twilight zone but Bradford will stand still if we do. CTID[/p][/quote]Common sense.Not sure where your 3 g post is but we all know summer rugby and soccer works ok at many other citys new stadium.Coventry is an excellent example and swansea liberty.Remember the dump veitch field was.I do when I past the two sider whilst at the great Robbie James funeral only back in 1999. If the bulls jump now to VP a new stadium would never happen.And Gibb may not allow it given his hatred for the City. You have my sympathy.The majority of Bullites do not appear to have stomach for such a move either. But then when did fans ever get a say in the running of their clubs. Avenue forever.glad City have stayed up. One day the city will turn. dont rely on Ken or Jack.They did their bit and walked because of the attitude of the sort of bigotry that comes out on here. Where there is a will there is a hope. arhmen aleg
  • Score: 0

5:01pm Sun 29 Apr 12

djmoulson says...

arhmen aleg wrote:
djmoulson wrote:
arhmen aleg wrote:
MisterBD wrote:
birkybull wrote: Move City to Odsal. Then no one has to enter Mini pakistan or mini afghanistan when they want to go watch City. The area around the ground is a total Ghetto. City would pay peanuts in rent at Odsal just like the Bulls are doing. Gibb would be left with a big elephant doing nothing.The Valley Parade pitch is not big enough to play Rugby league FULL STOP.
get real the whole town is a ghetto !
Agree about the ghetto. the bigger picture from an Avenue fan. 1.neither club now own their ground. 2.VP has potential good land value for a supermarket to serve the rapidly expanding local population. 3.Odsal has significantly high land value as a land fill site. 4,Land behind Oddsal can be linked easily to the 606 also retaining access from odsal top. 5.The motarway link would open up acres of other development land for potential iinvestors.Man City and City of Manchester council have entered into agreements to develop state of the art facilities for Man City and the arab money will see derelict land surrounding the site developed.It can be done. 5.A CITY OF BRADFORD Stadium would serve the needs of 20000 potential bullites and 20000 potential paraders. Not forgetting my own club BPA whose fans have always had a close affinity with the Bulls. 6.Most 20000 stadiums may cost anything between 20 to 40 million. 7.A self serving puddle for those that live next to it in the town hall has cost OVER 25 million.No jobs are created as a consequence of the puddle and will never be.In these times it is economic madness a pandering folly to councillor stupidity,nice as it is.At least the memorial to the 56 poor souls of 1985 have a nice backdrop to quiet contemplation. 7.I ask why are all not prepared to sacrifice historic sentimentality to end the economic madness.Most other towns and cities have overcome the sentimentality in the name of progress.Not many at the Riverside now mourn the loss of Ayresome Park or the same can be said for Roker,Leeds Road or any other former stadiums where housing (I am told much needed)or commerciacl developments now stand. 8.A brand new ground would unite most.Picthes today as at Liverpool,Finally Wembley (after 10 dig ups following the involvment of Bradfords Sports turf institute) have a mix of 3 G and natural grass.The modern artificial supplement does not give the pitches any other effect than GRASS. I will never understand why things are so stupidly,bigotedly thought out in Bradford whist other cities progress that have suffered similar post deindustrialisation need to change. George Galloway boldly states he has contacts with middle Eastern investors. If the land off the 806 would interest them I feel sure the obstacles concerning lease arrangements with the current unsuitable for both codes of sport stadia and the bickering of fans and the holding on to the past could be overcome. It just needs some common will. All I see on here is the degeneration of the arguments to self serving self interested selfishness. THE COMMON GOOD should never be far from the argument. And it is financial constraint that the MP is attempting to tackle in his suggestion. But then MP"s and councillors dont exactly practice what they preach in such matters. Which is why the council spent towards 30 million building a puddle when 40000 regular followers of the two main clubs would probably have preferred a stadium. Is that where the airp
arhmen aleg, not everyone sits behind sentiment and wants to live in the past, and please read my post yesterday regarding 3G and a community stadium. No one can take away what's happened in the past, good or bad, we all remember. Short term VP would seem the answer, but long term there are many options, and I feel the majority would accept that. We can live in the past, or the twilight zone but Bradford will stand still if we do. CTID
Common sense.Not sure where your 3 g post is but we all know summer rugby and soccer works ok at many other citys new stadium.Coventry is an excellent example and swansea liberty.Remember the dump veitch field was.I do when I past the two sider whilst at the great Robbie James funeral only back in 1999.
If the bulls jump now to VP a new stadium would never happen.And Gibb may not allow it given his hatred for the City.
You have my sympathy.The majority of Bullites do not appear to have stomach for such a move either.
But then when did fans ever get a say in the running of their clubs.
Avenue forever.glad City have stayed up.
One day the city will turn.
dont rely on Ken or Jack.They did their bit and walked because of the attitude of the sort of bigotry that comes out on here.
Where there is a will there is a hope.
I'm hearing you, and agree that neither club can rely on Ken or Jack, that just won't happen. I remember the Vetch very well and it shows what can happen with a little foresight and the guts to speculate. I'm a great believer that our City will see glory again, I just worry how low we all have to go to see that. I want all our teams to succeed, and put Bradford back on the map for positive reasons for once!!
[quote][p][bold]arhmen aleg[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]djmoulson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]arhmen aleg[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MisterBD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]birkybull[/bold] wrote: Move City to Odsal. Then no one has to enter Mini pakistan or mini afghanistan when they want to go watch City. The area around the ground is a total Ghetto. City would pay peanuts in rent at Odsal just like the Bulls are doing. Gibb would be left with a big elephant doing nothing.The Valley Parade pitch is not big enough to play Rugby league FULL STOP.[/p][/quote]get real the whole town is a ghetto ![/p][/quote]Agree about the ghetto. the bigger picture from an Avenue fan. 1.neither club now own their ground. 2.VP has potential good land value for a supermarket to serve the rapidly expanding local population. 3.Odsal has significantly high land value as a land fill site. 4,Land behind Oddsal can be linked easily to the 606 also retaining access from odsal top. 5.The motarway link would open up acres of other development land for potential iinvestors.Man City and City of Manchester council have entered into agreements to develop state of the art facilities for Man City and the arab money will see derelict land surrounding the site developed.It can be done. 5.A CITY OF BRADFORD Stadium would serve the needs of 20000 potential bullites and 20000 potential paraders. Not forgetting my own club BPA whose fans have always had a close affinity with the Bulls. 6.Most 20000 stadiums may cost anything between 20 to 40 million. 7.A self serving puddle for those that live next to it in the town hall has cost OVER 25 million.No jobs are created as a consequence of the puddle and will never be.In these times it is economic madness a pandering folly to councillor stupidity,nice as it is.At least the memorial to the 56 poor souls of 1985 have a nice backdrop to quiet contemplation. 7.I ask why are all not prepared to sacrifice historic sentimentality to end the economic madness.Most other towns and cities have overcome the sentimentality in the name of progress.Not many at the Riverside now mourn the loss of Ayresome Park or the same can be said for Roker,Leeds Road or any other former stadiums where housing (I am told much needed)or commerciacl developments now stand. 8.A brand new ground would unite most.Picthes today as at Liverpool,Finally Wembley (after 10 dig ups following the involvment of Bradfords Sports turf institute) have a mix of 3 G and natural grass.The modern artificial supplement does not give the pitches any other effect than GRASS. I will never understand why things are so stupidly,bigotedly thought out in Bradford whist other cities progress that have suffered similar post deindustrialisation need to change. George Galloway boldly states he has contacts with middle Eastern investors. If the land off the 806 would interest them I feel sure the obstacles concerning lease arrangements with the current unsuitable for both codes of sport stadia and the bickering of fans and the holding on to the past could be overcome. It just needs some common will. All I see on here is the degeneration of the arguments to self serving self interested selfishness. THE COMMON GOOD should never be far from the argument. And it is financial constraint that the MP is attempting to tackle in his suggestion. But then MP"s and councillors dont exactly practice what they preach in such matters. Which is why the council spent towards 30 million building a puddle when 40000 regular followers of the two main clubs would probably have preferred a stadium. Is that where the airp[ort sale money went.Still gives them a nice view out of City Hall paid for by me and you.And they lavish free catering at ALL their meetings.and are closing the very busy Richard Dunn cafe. Vote for change this week.Galloway has spoken on national TV of his support for City and the Bulls.Vote Respect and hold him to it. He may have indeed the contacts with the money men(none left here for sadly) to make some things happen for us long suffering Bradfordians. THINGS COULD NOT BE RUN ANY WORSE THAN THE APPALLING MESS THE CITY HAS BECOME Evertime I pass the derelict Park Avenue I weep at the madness that happened to that fine stadium through previous councillors stupidity.And the stubborness of Northern at the time not to use it. Bradfordians should look to the bigger picture.And stop clinging sentimentally to our happy and many unhappy memories of the past. NEW STADIUM.COUNCIL BACKED[/p][/quote]arhmen aleg, not everyone sits behind sentiment and wants to live in the past, and please read my post yesterday regarding 3G and a community stadium. No one can take away what's happened in the past, good or bad, we all remember. Short term VP would seem the answer, but long term there are many options, and I feel the majority would accept that. We can live in the past, or the twilight zone but Bradford will stand still if we do. CTID[/p][/quote]Common sense.Not sure where your 3 g post is but we all know summer rugby and soccer works ok at many other citys new stadium.Coventry is an excellent example and swansea liberty.Remember the dump veitch field was.I do when I past the two sider whilst at the great Robbie James funeral only back in 1999. If the bulls jump now to VP a new stadium would never happen.And Gibb may not allow it given his hatred for the City. You have my sympathy.The majority of Bullites do not appear to have stomach for such a move either. But then when did fans ever get a say in the running of their clubs. Avenue forever.glad City have stayed up. One day the city will turn. dont rely on Ken or Jack.They did their bit and walked because of the attitude of the sort of bigotry that comes out on here. Where there is a will there is a hope.[/p][/quote]I'm hearing you, and agree that neither club can rely on Ken or Jack, that just won't happen. I remember the Vetch very well and it shows what can happen with a little foresight and the guts to speculate. I'm a great believer that our City will see glory again, I just worry how low we all have to go to see that. I want all our teams to succeed, and put Bradford back on the map for positive reasons for once!! djmoulson
  • Score: 0

5:15pm Sun 29 Apr 12

eebygum says...

Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:
Read all the comments, you will see my reference, I do understand what you and others refer to but I would say that is what you think of the word. My reference was to monged out meaning spaced as the comment was not one to be taken from a sober or straight person. The residents around VP have never been an issue for BCAFC fans, they appear to be for many Bulls fans.
BCFC club not used the A since early 80's P.C.B.A
[quote][p][bold]Prisoner Cell Block A[/bold] wrote: Read all the comments, you will see my reference, I do understand what you and others refer to but I would say that is what you think of the word. My reference was to monged out meaning spaced as the comment was not one to be taken from a sober or straight person. The residents around VP have never been an issue for BCAFC fans, they appear to be for many Bulls fans.[/p][/quote]BCFC club not used the A since early 80's P.C.B.A eebygum
  • Score: 0

5:46pm Sun 29 Apr 12

Prisoner Cell Block A says...

Bcfc is used by Birmingham andf Bristol. Bcafc is used by bradford city. I assume you mean from the time of the buyout, I also thought there was a change but was it from bcfc to afc, also because of the two recent admins it may be bcafc plc not Ltd or vice versa. Either way, search bcfc and see who returns as the main answers then bcafc.
Bcfc is used by Birmingham andf Bristol. Bcafc is used by bradford city. I assume you mean from the time of the buyout, I also thought there was a change but was it from bcfc to afc, also because of the two recent admins it may be bcafc plc not Ltd or vice versa. Either way, search bcfc and see who returns as the main answers then bcafc. Prisoner Cell Block A
  • Score: 0

5:53pm Sun 29 Apr 12

Prisoner Cell Block A says...

One more point of reference is the club crest, a bantam atop the acronym BCAFC. Can be seen on the main bantam page on here.
One more point of reference is the club crest, a bantam atop the acronym BCAFC. Can be seen on the main bantam page on here. Prisoner Cell Block A
  • Score: 0

6:05pm Sun 29 Apr 12

thornburyph says...

I
see the invisible man has apeared.Mr Ward is very good at creating big holes in this city.He was leader of the lib Dems who went to bed with the conservitives that left us with a big hole in the centre and now as an MP he wants to create a big hole at odsal.Great legacy you leave Mr Ward.
I see the invisible man has apeared.Mr Ward is very good at creating big holes in this city.He was leader of the lib Dems who went to bed with the conservitives that left us with a big hole in the centre and now as an MP he wants to create a big hole at odsal.Great legacy you leave Mr Ward. thornburyph
  • Score: 0

6:43pm Sun 29 Apr 12

Colin Allcars says...

instead of each entrenched fan saying what's wrong with the other team's ground and why they should come to you, how about a few suggesting what could be right about moving in with them?
instead of each entrenched fan saying what's wrong with the other team's ground and why they should come to you, how about a few suggesting what could be right about moving in with them? Colin Allcars
  • Score: 0

8:27pm Sun 29 Apr 12

arhmen aleg says...

djmoulson wrote:
arhmen aleg wrote:
djmoulson wrote:
arhmen aleg wrote:
MisterBD wrote:
birkybull wrote: Move City to Odsal. Then no one has to enter Mini pakistan or mini afghanistan when they want to go watch City. The area around the ground is a total Ghetto. City would pay peanuts in rent at Odsal just like the Bulls are doing. Gibb would be left with a big elephant doing nothing.The Valley Parade pitch is not big enough to play Rugby league FULL STOP.
get real the whole town is a ghetto !
Agree about the ghetto. the bigger picture from an Avenue fan. 1.neither club now own their ground. 2.VP has potential good land value for a supermarket to serve the rapidly expanding local population. 3.Odsal has significantly high land value as a land fill site. 4,Land behind Oddsal can be linked easily to the 606 also retaining access from odsal top. 5.The motarway link would open up acres of other development land for potential iinvestors.Man City and City of Manchester council have entered into agreements to develop state of the art facilities for Man City and the arab money will see derelict land surrounding the site developed.It can be done. 5.A CITY OF BRADFORD Stadium would serve the needs of 20000 potential bullites and 20000 potential paraders. Not forgetting my own club BPA whose fans have always had a close affinity with the Bulls. 6.Most 20000 stadiums may cost anything between 20 to 40 million. 7.A self serving puddle for those that live next to it in the town hall has cost OVER 25 million.No jobs are created as a consequence of the puddle and will never be.In these times it is economic madness a pandering folly to councillor stupidity,nice as it is.At least the memorial to the 56 poor souls of 1985 have a nice backdrop to quiet contemplation. 7.I ask why are all not prepared to sacrifice historic sentimentality to end the economic madness.Most other towns and cities have overcome the sentimentality in the name of progress.Not many at the Riverside now mourn the loss of Ayresome Park or the same can be said for Roker,Leeds Road or any other former stadiums where housing (I am told much needed)or commerciacl developments now stand. 8.A brand new ground would unite most.Picthes today as at Liverpool,Finally Wembley (after 10 dig ups following the involvment of Bradfords Sports turf institute) have a mix of 3 G and natural grass.The modern artificial supplement does not give the pitches any other effect than GRASS. I will never understand why things are so stupidly,bigotedly thought out in Bradford whist other cities progress that have suffered similar post deindustrialisation need to change. George Galloway boldly states he has contacts with middle Eastern investors. If the land off the 806 would interest them I feel sure the obstacles concerning lease arrangements with the current unsuitable for both codes of sport stadia and the bickering of fans and the holding on to the past could be overcome. It just needs some common will. All I see on here is the degeneration of the arguments to self serving self interested selfishness. THE COMMON GOOD should never be far from the argument. And it is financial constraint that the MP is attempting to tackle in his suggestion. But then MP"s and councillors dont exactly practice what they preach in such matters. Which is why the council spent towards 30 million building a puddle when 40000 regular followers of the two main clubs would probably have preferred a stadium. Is that where the airp
arhmen aleg, not everyone sits behind sentiment and wants to live in the past, and please read my post yesterday regarding 3G and a community stadium. No one can take away what's happened in the past, good or bad, we all remember. Short term VP would seem the answer, but long term there are many options, and I feel the majority would accept that. We can live in the past, or the twilight zone but Bradford will stand still if we do. CTID
Common sense.Not sure where your 3 g post is but we all know summer rugby and soccer works ok at many other citys new stadium.Coventry is an excellent example and swansea liberty.Remember the dump veitch field was.I do when I past the two sider whilst at the great Robbie James funeral only back in 1999. If the bulls jump now to VP a new stadium would never happen.And Gibb may not allow it given his hatred for the City. You have my sympathy.The majority of Bullites do not appear to have stomach for such a move either. But then when did fans ever get a say in the running of their clubs. Avenue forever.glad City have stayed up. One day the city will turn. dont rely on Ken or Jack.They did their bit and walked because of the attitude of the sort of bigotry that comes out on here. Where there is a will there is a hope.
I'm hearing you, and agree that neither club can rely on Ken or Jack, that just won't happen. I remember the Vetch very well and it shows what can happen with a little foresight and the guts to speculate. I'm a great believer that our City will see glory again, I just worry how low we all have to go to see that. I want all our teams to succeed, and put Bradford back on the map for positive reasons for once!!
Throw that man a biscuit.
If everyone wanted the same a united front where all its teams and the city were propering again we would all be an awfull lot happier.
The Bulls and City have had outstanding success.
a magnificent effort in 99 and the Bulls World champs.
Bad management decisions have subsequently let the fans down.And that is mirroed by appalling council decisions that have seen 2000 million in govt regeneration money squandered to create what.A city on the floor.
A seven million bridge to replace a perfectly good one on Manchester Road.
Not even able to properly maintain to fire regulations the city library.
Then their building a cycle lane so everyone can get to work in the city on their pushbikes.Would you dare venture onto the roads in Bradford (the accident stage managed insurance scam capital of the world)on a push bike?notwithstanding that there are no jobs in the city left anyway.Where will the lunacy end.
It can start at the ballot box this week with a vote for a dictator type elected mayor like middlesboro has had for several years.Ray Mallon sorted all the big drug dealers once elected cleaned the place up got heavy on crime and sorted the corruption that blighted it.
Does anyone else not feel corruption and a finger in the pie must not be behind many of the lunatic decisions that have been made on our behalf.
I shall vote for George.
if only cos hes already said he can find people with the brass to invest in Bradford sport and the city.Nothing could be worse than the lunacy that has gone on for 20 odd years.And even before that.Leeds had far more idea 20 years ago.The place looks thriving compared to our third world little hell hole.
VOTE THEM OUT>THEY DO NOT DESERVE ANOTHER MINUTE NEVER MIND 4 YEARS.THEY SHOULD BE GIVEN 10 YEARS IN ARMLEY ON BREAD AND WATER>
yes were all angry ar"nt we
[quote][p][bold]djmoulson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]arhmen aleg[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]djmoulson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]arhmen aleg[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MisterBD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]birkybull[/bold] wrote: Move City to Odsal. Then no one has to enter Mini pakistan or mini afghanistan when they want to go watch City. The area around the ground is a total Ghetto. City would pay peanuts in rent at Odsal just like the Bulls are doing. Gibb would be left with a big elephant doing nothing.The Valley Parade pitch is not big enough to play Rugby league FULL STOP.[/p][/quote]get real the whole town is a ghetto ![/p][/quote]Agree about the ghetto. the bigger picture from an Avenue fan. 1.neither club now own their ground. 2.VP has potential good land value for a supermarket to serve the rapidly expanding local population. 3.Odsal has significantly high land value as a land fill site. 4,Land behind Oddsal can be linked easily to the 606 also retaining access from odsal top. 5.The motarway link would open up acres of other development land for potential iinvestors.Man City and City of Manchester council have entered into agreements to develop state of the art facilities for Man City and the arab money will see derelict land surrounding the site developed.It can be done. 5.A CITY OF BRADFORD Stadium would serve the needs of 20000 potential bullites and 20000 potential paraders. Not forgetting my own club BPA whose fans have always had a close affinity with the Bulls. 6.Most 20000 stadiums may cost anything between 20 to 40 million. 7.A self serving puddle for those that live next to it in the town hall has cost OVER 25 million.No jobs are created as a consequence of the puddle and will never be.In these times it is economic madness a pandering folly to councillor stupidity,nice as it is.At least the memorial to the 56 poor souls of 1985 have a nice backdrop to quiet contemplation. 7.I ask why are all not prepared to sacrifice historic sentimentality to end the economic madness.Most other towns and cities have overcome the sentimentality in the name of progress.Not many at the Riverside now mourn the loss of Ayresome Park or the same can be said for Roker,Leeds Road or any other former stadiums where housing (I am told much needed)or commerciacl developments now stand. 8.A brand new ground would unite most.Picthes today as at Liverpool,Finally Wembley (after 10 dig ups following the involvment of Bradfords Sports turf institute) have a mix of 3 G and natural grass.The modern artificial supplement does not give the pitches any other effect than GRASS. I will never understand why things are so stupidly,bigotedly thought out in Bradford whist other cities progress that have suffered similar post deindustrialisation need to change. George Galloway boldly states he has contacts with middle Eastern investors. If the land off the 806 would interest them I feel sure the obstacles concerning lease arrangements with the current unsuitable for both codes of sport stadia and the bickering of fans and the holding on to the past could be overcome. It just needs some common will. All I see on here is the degeneration of the arguments to self serving self interested selfishness. THE COMMON GOOD should never be far from the argument. And it is financial constraint that the MP is attempting to tackle in his suggestion. But then MP"s and councillors dont exactly practice what they preach in such matters. Which is why the council spent towards 30 million building a puddle when 40000 regular followers of the two main clubs would probably have preferred a stadium. Is that where the airp[ort sale money went.Still gives them a nice view out of City Hall paid for by me and you.And they lavish free catering at ALL their meetings.and are closing the very busy Richard Dunn cafe. Vote for change this week.Galloway has spoken on national TV of his support for City and the Bulls.Vote Respect and hold him to it. He may have indeed the contacts with the money men(none left here for sadly) to make some things happen for us long suffering Bradfordians. THINGS COULD NOT BE RUN ANY WORSE THAN THE APPALLING MESS THE CITY HAS BECOME Evertime I pass the derelict Park Avenue I weep at the madness that happened to that fine stadium through previous councillors stupidity.And the stubborness of Northern at the time not to use it. Bradfordians should look to the bigger picture.And stop clinging sentimentally to our happy and many unhappy memories of the past. NEW STADIUM.COUNCIL BACKED[/p][/quote]arhmen aleg, not everyone sits behind sentiment and wants to live in the past, and please read my post yesterday regarding 3G and a community stadium. No one can take away what's happened in the past, good or bad, we all remember. Short term VP would seem the answer, but long term there are many options, and I feel the majority would accept that. We can live in the past, or the twilight zone but Bradford will stand still if we do. CTID[/p][/quote]Common sense.Not sure where your 3 g post is but we all know summer rugby and soccer works ok at many other citys new stadium.Coventry is an excellent example and swansea liberty.Remember the dump veitch field was.I do when I past the two sider whilst at the great Robbie James funeral only back in 1999. If the bulls jump now to VP a new stadium would never happen.And Gibb may not allow it given his hatred for the City. You have my sympathy.The majority of Bullites do not appear to have stomach for such a move either. But then when did fans ever get a say in the running of their clubs. Avenue forever.glad City have stayed up. One day the city will turn. dont rely on Ken or Jack.They did their bit and walked because of the attitude of the sort of bigotry that comes out on here. Where there is a will there is a hope.[/p][/quote]I'm hearing you, and agree that neither club can rely on Ken or Jack, that just won't happen. I remember the Vetch very well and it shows what can happen with a little foresight and the guts to speculate. I'm a great believer that our City will see glory again, I just worry how low we all have to go to see that. I want all our teams to succeed, and put Bradford back on the map for positive reasons for once!![/p][/quote]Throw that man a biscuit. If everyone wanted the same a united front where all its teams and the city were propering again we would all be an awfull lot happier. The Bulls and City have had outstanding success. a magnificent effort in 99 and the Bulls World champs. Bad management decisions have subsequently let the fans down.And that is mirroed by appalling council decisions that have seen 2000 million in govt regeneration money squandered to create what.A city on the floor. A seven million bridge to replace a perfectly good one on Manchester Road. Not even able to properly maintain to fire regulations the city library. Then their building a cycle lane so everyone can get to work in the city on their pushbikes.Would you dare venture onto the roads in Bradford (the accident stage managed insurance scam capital of the world)on a push bike?notwithstanding that there are no jobs in the city left anyway.Where will the lunacy end. It can start at the ballot box this week with a vote for a dictator type elected mayor like middlesboro has had for several years.Ray Mallon sorted all the big drug dealers once elected cleaned the place up got heavy on crime and sorted the corruption that blighted it. Does anyone else not feel corruption and a finger in the pie must not be behind many of the lunatic decisions that have been made on our behalf. I shall vote for George. if only cos hes already said he can find people with the brass to invest in Bradford sport and the city.Nothing could be worse than the lunacy that has gone on for 20 odd years.And even before that.Leeds had far more idea 20 years ago.The place looks thriving compared to our third world little hell hole. VOTE THEM OUT>THEY DO NOT DESERVE ANOTHER MINUTE NEVER MIND 4 YEARS.THEY SHOULD BE GIVEN 10 YEARS IN ARMLEY ON BREAD AND WATER> yes were all angry ar"nt we arhmen aleg
  • Score: 0

9:17pm Sun 29 Apr 12

djmoulson says...

arhmen aleg wrote:
djmoulson wrote:
arhmen aleg wrote:
djmoulson wrote:
arhmen aleg wrote:
MisterBD wrote:
birkybull wrote: Move City to Odsal. Then no one has to enter Mini pakistan or mini afghanistan when they want to go watch City. The area around the ground is a total Ghetto. City would pay peanuts in rent at Odsal just like the Bulls are doing. Gibb would be left with a big elephant doing nothing.The Valley Parade pitch is not big enough to play Rugby league FULL STOP.
get real the whole town is a ghetto !
Agree about the ghetto. the bigger picture from an Avenue fan. 1.neither club now own their ground. 2.VP has potential good land value for a supermarket to serve the rapidly expanding local population. 3.Odsal has significantly high land value as a land fill site. 4,Land behind Oddsal can be linked easily to the 606 also retaining access from odsal top. 5.The motarway link would open up acres of other development land for potential iinvestors.Man City and City of Manchester council have entered into agreements to develop state of the art facilities for Man City and the arab money will see derelict land surrounding the site developed.It can be done. 5.A CITY OF BRADFORD Stadium would serve the needs of 20000 potential bullites and 20000 potential paraders. Not forgetting my own club BPA whose fans have always had a close affinity with the Bulls. 6.Most 20000 stadiums may cost anything between 20 to 40 million. 7.A self serving puddle for those that live next to it in the town hall has cost OVER 25 million.No jobs are created as a consequence of the puddle and will never be.In these times it is economic madness a pandering folly to councillor stupidity,nice as it is.At least the memorial to the 56 poor souls of 1985 have a nice backdrop to quiet contemplation. 7.I ask why are all not prepared to sacrifice historic sentimentality to end the economic madness.Most other towns and cities have overcome the sentimentality in the name of progress.Not many at the Riverside now mourn the loss of Ayresome Park or the same can be said for Roker,Leeds Road or any other former stadiums where housing (I am told much needed)or commerciacl developments now stand. 8.A brand new ground would unite most.Picthes today as at Liverpool,Finally Wembley (after 10 dig ups following the involvment of Bradfords Sports turf institute) have a mix of 3 G and natural grass.The modern artificial supplement does not give the pitches any other effect than GRASS. I will never understand why things are so stupidly,bigotedly thought out in Bradford whist other cities progress that have suffered similar post deindustrialisation need to change. George Galloway boldly states he has contacts with middle Eastern investors. If the land off the 806 would interest them I feel sure the obstacles concerning lease arrangements with the current unsuitable for both codes of sport stadia and the bickering of fans and the holding on to the past could be overcome. It just needs some common will. All I see on here is the degeneration of the arguments to self serving self interested selfishness. THE COMMON GOOD should never be far from the argument. And it is financial constraint that the MP is attempting to tackle in his suggestion. But then MP"s and councillors dont exactly practice what they preach in such matters. Which is why the council spent towards 30 million building a puddle when 40000 regular followers of the two main clubs would probably have preferred a stadium. Is that where the airp
arhmen aleg, not everyone sits behind sentiment and wants to live in the past, and please read my post yesterday regarding 3G and a community stadium. No one can take away what's happened in the past, good or bad, we all remember. Short term VP would seem the answer, but long term there are many options, and I feel the majority would accept that. We can live in the past, or the twilight zone but Bradford will stand still if we do. CTID
Common sense.Not sure where your 3 g post is but we all know summer rugby and soccer works ok at many other citys new stadium.Coventry is an excellent example and swansea liberty.Remember the dump veitch field was.I do when I past the two sider whilst at the great Robbie James funeral only back in 1999. If the bulls jump now to VP a new stadium would never happen.And Gibb may not allow it given his hatred for the City. You have my sympathy.The majority of Bullites do not appear to have stomach for such a move either. But then when did fans ever get a say in the running of their clubs. Avenue forever.glad City have stayed up. One day the city will turn. dont rely on Ken or Jack.They did their bit and walked because of the attitude of the sort of bigotry that comes out on here. Where there is a will there is a hope.
I'm hearing you, and agree that neither club can rely on Ken or Jack, that just won't happen. I remember the Vetch very well and it shows what can happen with a little foresight and the guts to speculate. I'm a great believer that our City will see glory again, I just worry how low we all have to go to see that. I want all our teams to succeed, and put Bradford back on the map for positive reasons for once!!
Throw that man a biscuit.
If everyone wanted the same a united front where all its teams and the city were propering again we would all be an awfull lot happier.
The Bulls and City have had outstanding success.
a magnificent effort in 99 and the Bulls World champs.
Bad management decisions have subsequently let the fans down.And that is mirroed by appalling council decisions that have seen 2000 million in govt regeneration money squandered to create what.A city on the floor.
A seven million bridge to replace a perfectly good one on Manchester Road.
Not even able to properly maintain to fire regulations the city library.
Then their building a cycle lane so everyone can get to work in the city on their pushbikes.Would you dare venture onto the roads in Bradford (the accident stage managed insurance scam capital of the world)on a push bike?notwithstanding that there are no jobs in the city left anyway.Where will the lunacy end.
It can start at the ballot box this week with a vote for a dictator type elected mayor like middlesboro has had for several years.Ray Mallon sorted all the big drug dealers once elected cleaned the place up got heavy on crime and sorted the corruption that blighted it.
Does anyone else not feel corruption and a finger in the pie must not be behind many of the lunatic decisions that have been made on our behalf.
I shall vote for George.
if only cos hes already said he can find people with the brass to invest in Bradford sport and the city.Nothing could be worse than the lunacy that has gone on for 20 odd years.And even before that.Leeds had far more idea 20 years ago.The place looks thriving compared to our third world little hell hole.
VOTE THEM OUT>THEY DO NOT DESERVE ANOTHER MINUTE NEVER MIND 4 YEARS.THEY SHOULD BE GIVEN 10 YEARS IN ARMLEY ON BREAD AND WATER>
yes were all angry ar"nt we
You missed out the £millions spent on consultancy fees to decide to go against the majority of Bradfordians wishes by attempting to knock down the Odeon/Gaumont cinema to replace it with another hotel and 5* office space that we don't need that resembles Provincial House that was on the opposite corner and knocked down because it was dated, when William Alsop's strategy was to stand out from the concrete of every other city and not try compete with them. I won't be voting for anyone involved in the backhanded, propoganda ridden ways of the past 10 years. I also feel the T&A are guilty of this travesty also, supporting the demolition of the Odeon, all quiet when there is proof of worthy reasons to keep, and filling pages when it shows the plans of new. Not allowing us to post comments on sensitive issues when they feel it might show the true feelings of the citizens of our city, but can comment when Ethel has her cat saved from a tree. As I say we all want the best for our city, and to feel proud of where we live, lets hope we can get there...!!
[quote][p][bold]arhmen aleg[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]djmoulson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]arhmen aleg[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]djmoulson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]arhmen aleg[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MisterBD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]birkybull[/bold] wrote: Move City to Odsal. Then no one has to enter Mini pakistan or mini afghanistan when they want to go watch City. The area around the ground is a total Ghetto. City would pay peanuts in rent at Odsal just like the Bulls are doing. Gibb would be left with a big elephant doing nothing.The Valley Parade pitch is not big enough to play Rugby league FULL STOP.[/p][/quote]get real the whole town is a ghetto ![/p][/quote]Agree about the ghetto. the bigger picture from an Avenue fan. 1.neither club now own their ground. 2.VP has potential good land value for a supermarket to serve the rapidly expanding local population. 3.Odsal has significantly high land value as a land fill site. 4,Land behind Oddsal can be linked easily to the 606 also retaining access from odsal top. 5.The motarway link would open up acres of other development land for potential iinvestors.Man City and City of Manchester council have entered into agreements to develop state of the art facilities for Man City and the arab money will see derelict land surrounding the site developed.It can be done. 5.A CITY OF BRADFORD Stadium would serve the needs of 20000 potential bullites and 20000 potential paraders. Not forgetting my own club BPA whose fans have always had a close affinity with the Bulls. 6.Most 20000 stadiums may cost anything between 20 to 40 million. 7.A self serving puddle for those that live next to it in the town hall has cost OVER 25 million.No jobs are created as a consequence of the puddle and will never be.In these times it is economic madness a pandering folly to councillor stupidity,nice as it is.At least the memorial to the 56 poor souls of 1985 have a nice backdrop to quiet contemplation. 7.I ask why are all not prepared to sacrifice historic sentimentality to end the economic madness.Most other towns and cities have overcome the sentimentality in the name of progress.Not many at the Riverside now mourn the loss of Ayresome Park or the same can be said for Roker,Leeds Road or any other former stadiums where housing (I am told much needed)or commerciacl developments now stand. 8.A brand new ground would unite most.Picthes today as at Liverpool,Finally Wembley (after 10 dig ups following the involvment of Bradfords Sports turf institute) have a mix of 3 G and natural grass.The modern artificial supplement does not give the pitches any other effect than GRASS. I will never understand why things are so stupidly,bigotedly thought out in Bradford whist other cities progress that have suffered similar post deindustrialisation need to change. George Galloway boldly states he has contacts with middle Eastern investors. If the land off the 806 would interest them I feel sure the obstacles concerning lease arrangements with the current unsuitable for both codes of sport stadia and the bickering of fans and the holding on to the past could be overcome. It just needs some common will. All I see on here is the degeneration of the arguments to self serving self interested selfishness. THE COMMON GOOD should never be far from the argument. And it is financial constraint that the MP is attempting to tackle in his suggestion. But then MP"s and councillors dont exactly practice what they preach in such matters. Which is why the council spent towards 30 million building a puddle when 40000 regular followers of the two main clubs would probably have preferred a stadium. Is that where the airp[ort sale money went.Still gives them a nice view out of City Hall paid for by me and you.And they lavish free catering at ALL their meetings.and are closing the very busy Richard Dunn cafe. Vote for change this week.Galloway has spoken on national TV of his support for City and the Bulls.Vote Respect and hold him to it. He may have indeed the contacts with the money men(none left here for sadly) to make some things happen for us long suffering Bradfordians. THINGS COULD NOT BE RUN ANY WORSE THAN THE APPALLING MESS THE CITY HAS BECOME Evertime I pass the derelict Park Avenue I weep at the madness that happened to that fine stadium through previous councillors stupidity.And the stubborness of Northern at the time not to use it. Bradfordians should look to the bigger picture.And stop clinging sentimentally to our happy and many unhappy memories of the past. NEW STADIUM.COUNCIL BACKED[/p][/quote]arhmen aleg, not everyone sits behind sentiment and wants to live in the past, and please read my post yesterday regarding 3G and a community stadium. No one can take away what's happened in the past, good or bad, we all remember. Short term VP would seem the answer, but long term there are many options, and I feel the majority would accept that. We can live in the past, or the twilight zone but Bradford will stand still if we do. CTID[/p][/quote]Common sense.Not sure where your 3 g post is but we all know summer rugby and soccer works ok at many other citys new stadium.Coventry is an excellent example and swansea liberty.Remember the dump veitch field was.I do when I past the two sider whilst at the great Robbie James funeral only back in 1999. If the bulls jump now to VP a new stadium would never happen.And Gibb may not allow it given his hatred for the City. You have my sympathy.The majority of Bullites do not appear to have stomach for such a move either. But then when did fans ever get a say in the running of their clubs. Avenue forever.glad City have stayed up. One day the city will turn. dont rely on Ken or Jack.They did their bit and walked because of the attitude of the sort of bigotry that comes out on here. Where there is a will there is a hope.[/p][/quote]I'm hearing you, and agree that neither club can rely on Ken or Jack, that just won't happen. I remember the Vetch very well and it shows what can happen with a little foresight and the guts to speculate. I'm a great believer that our City will see glory again, I just worry how low we all have to go to see that. I want all our teams to succeed, and put Bradford back on the map for positive reasons for once!![/p][/quote]Throw that man a biscuit. If everyone wanted the same a united front where all its teams and the city were propering again we would all be an awfull lot happier. The Bulls and City have had outstanding success. a magnificent effort in 99 and the Bulls World champs. Bad management decisions have subsequently let the fans down.And that is mirroed by appalling council decisions that have seen 2000 million in govt regeneration money squandered to create what.A city on the floor. A seven million bridge to replace a perfectly good one on Manchester Road. Not even able to properly maintain to fire regulations the city library. Then their building a cycle lane so everyone can get to work in the city on their pushbikes.Would you dare venture onto the roads in Bradford (the accident stage managed insurance scam capital of the world)on a push bike?notwithstanding that there are no jobs in the city left anyway.Where will the lunacy end. It can start at the ballot box this week with a vote for a dictator type elected mayor like middlesboro has had for several years.Ray Mallon sorted all the big drug dealers once elected cleaned the place up got heavy on crime and sorted the corruption that blighted it. Does anyone else not feel corruption and a finger in the pie must not be behind many of the lunatic decisions that have been made on our behalf. I shall vote for George. if only cos hes already said he can find people with the brass to invest in Bradford sport and the city.Nothing could be worse than the lunacy that has gone on for 20 odd years.And even before that.Leeds had far more idea 20 years ago.The place looks thriving compared to our third world little hell hole. VOTE THEM OUT>THEY DO NOT DESERVE ANOTHER MINUTE NEVER MIND 4 YEARS.THEY SHOULD BE GIVEN 10 YEARS IN ARMLEY ON BREAD AND WATER> yes were all angry ar"nt we[/p][/quote]You missed out the £millions spent on consultancy fees to decide to go against the majority of Bradfordians wishes by attempting to knock down the Odeon/Gaumont cinema to replace it with another hotel and 5* office space that we don't need that resembles Provincial House that was on the opposite corner and knocked down because it was dated, when William Alsop's strategy was to stand out from the concrete of every other city and not try compete with them. I won't be voting for anyone involved in the backhanded, propoganda ridden ways of the past 10 years. I also feel the T&A are guilty of this travesty also, supporting the demolition of the Odeon, all quiet when there is proof of worthy reasons to keep, and filling pages when it shows the plans of new. Not allowing us to post comments on sensitive issues when they feel it might show the true feelings of the citizens of our city, but can comment when Ethel has her cat saved from a tree. As I say we all want the best for our city, and to feel proud of where we live, lets hope we can get there...!! djmoulson
  • Score: 0

10:24pm Sun 29 Apr 12

arhmen aleg says...

djmoulson wrote:
arhmen aleg wrote:
djmoulson wrote:
arhmen aleg wrote:
djmoulson wrote:
arhmen aleg wrote:
MisterBD wrote:
birkybull wrote: Move City to Odsal. Then no one has to enter Mini pakistan or mini afghanistan when they want to go watch City. The area around the ground is a total Ghetto. City would pay peanuts in rent at Odsal just like the Bulls are doing. Gibb would be left with a big elephant doing nothing.The Valley Parade pitch is not big enough to play Rugby league FULL STOP.
get real the whole town is a ghetto !
Agree about the ghetto. the bigger picture from an Avenue fan. 1.neither club now own their ground. 2.VP has potential good land value for a supermarket to serve the rapidly expanding local population. 3.Odsal has significantly high land value as a land fill site. 4,Land behind Oddsal can be linked easily to the 606 also retaining access from odsal top. 5.The motarway link would open up acres of other development land for potential iinvestors.Man City and City of Manchester council have entered into agreements to develop state of the art facilities for Man City and the arab money will see derelict land surrounding the site developed.It can be done. 5.A CITY OF BRADFORD Stadium would serve the needs of 20000 potential bullites and 20000 potential paraders. Not forgetting my own club BPA whose fans have always had a close affinity with the Bulls. 6.Most 20000 stadiums may cost anything between 20 to 40 million. 7.A self serving puddle for those that live next to it in the town hall has cost OVER 25 million.No jobs are created as a consequence of the puddle and will never be.In these times it is economic madness a pandering folly to councillor stupidity,nice as it is.At least the memorial to the 56 poor souls of 1985 have a nice backdrop to quiet contemplation. 7.I ask why are all not prepared to sacrifice historic sentimentality to end the economic madness.Most other towns and cities have overcome the sentimentality in the name of progress.Not many at the Riverside now mourn the loss of Ayresome Park or the same can be said for Roker,Leeds Road or any other former stadiums where housing (I am told much needed)or commerciacl developments now stand. 8.A brand new ground would unite most.Picthes today as at Liverpool,Finally Wembley (after 10 dig ups following the involvment of Bradfords Sports turf institute) have a mix of 3 G and natural grass.The modern artificial supplement does not give the pitches any other effect than GRASS. I will never understand why things are so stupidly,bigotedly thought out in Bradford whist other cities progress that have suffered similar post deindustrialisation need to change. George Galloway boldly states he has contacts with middle Eastern investors. If the land off the 806 would interest them I feel sure the obstacles concerning lease arrangements with the current unsuitable for both codes of sport stadia and the bickering of fans and the holding on to the past could be overcome. It just needs some common will. All I see on here is the degeneration of the arguments to self serving self interested selfishness. THE COMMON GOOD should never be far from the argument. And it is financial constraint that the MP is attempting to tackle in his suggestion. But then MP"s and councillors dont exactly practice what they preach in such matters. Which is why the council spent towards 30 million building a puddle when 40000 regular followers of the two main clubs would probably have preferred a stadium. Is that where the airp
arhmen aleg, not everyone sits behind sentiment and wants to live in the past, and please read my post yesterday regarding 3G and a community stadium. No one can take away what's happened in the past, good or bad, we all remember. Short term VP would seem the answer, but long term there are many options, and I feel the majority would accept that. We can live in the past, or the twilight zone but Bradford will stand still if we do. CTID
Common sense.Not sure where your 3 g post is but we all know summer rugby and soccer works ok at many other citys new stadium.Coventry is an excellent example and swansea liberty.Remember the dump veitch field was.I do when I past the two sider whilst at the great Robbie James funeral only back in 1999. If the bulls jump now to VP a new stadium would never happen.And Gibb may not allow it given his hatred for the City. You have my sympathy.The majority of Bullites do not appear to have stomach for such a move either. But then when did fans ever get a say in the running of their clubs. Avenue forever.glad City have stayed up. One day the city will turn. dont rely on Ken or Jack.They did their bit and walked because of the attitude of the sort of bigotry that comes out on here. Where there is a will there is a hope.
I'm hearing you, and agree that neither club can rely on Ken or Jack, that just won't happen. I remember the Vetch very well and it shows what can happen with a little foresight and the guts to speculate. I'm a great believer that our City will see glory again, I just worry how low we all have to go to see that. I want all our teams to succeed, and put Bradford back on the map for positive reasons for once!!
Throw that man a biscuit. If everyone wanted the same a united front where all its teams and the city were propering again we would all be an awfull lot happier. The Bulls and City have had outstanding success. a magnificent effort in 99 and the Bulls World champs. Bad management decisions have subsequently let the fans down.And that is mirroed by appalling council decisions that have seen 2000 million in govt regeneration money squandered to create what.A city on the floor. A seven million bridge to replace a perfectly good one on Manchester Road. Not even able to properly maintain to fire regulations the city library. Then their building a cycle lane so everyone can get to work in the city on their pushbikes.Would you dare venture onto the roads in Bradford (the accident stage managed insurance scam capital of the world)on a push bike?notwithstanding that there are no jobs in the city left anyway.Where will the lunacy end. It can start at the ballot box this week with a vote for a dictator type elected mayor like middlesboro has had for several years.Ray Mallon sorted all the big drug dealers once elected cleaned the place up got heavy on crime and sorted the corruption that blighted it. Does anyone else not feel corruption and a finger in the pie must not be behind many of the lunatic decisions that have been made on our behalf. I shall vote for George. if only cos hes already said he can find people with the brass to invest in Bradford sport and the city.Nothing could be worse than the lunacy that has gone on for 20 odd years.And even before that.Leeds had far more idea 20 years ago.The place looks thriving compared to our third world little hell hole. VOTE THEM OUT>THEY DO NOT DESERVE ANOTHER MINUTE NEVER MIND 4 YEARS.THEY SHOULD BE GIVEN 10 YEARS IN ARMLEY ON BREAD AND WATER> yes were all angry ar"nt we
You missed out the £millions spent on consultancy fees to decide to go against the majority of Bradfordians wishes by attempting to knock down the Odeon/Gaumont cinema to replace it with another hotel and 5* office space that we don't need that resembles Provincial House that was on the opposite corner and knocked down because it was dated, when William Alsop's strategy was to stand out from the concrete of every other city and not try compete with them. I won't be voting for anyone involved in the backhanded, propoganda ridden ways of the past 10 years. I also feel the T&A are guilty of this travesty also, supporting the demolition of the Odeon, all quiet when there is proof of worthy reasons to keep, and filling pages when it shows the plans of new. Not allowing us to post comments on sensitive issues when they feel it might show the true feelings of the citizens of our city, but can comment when Ethel has her cat saved from a tree. As I say we all want the best for our city, and to feel proud of where we live, lets hope we can get there...!!
My sentiments entirely.Even the journalists down there are depairing that the bully of an editor decides what we can and cannot read or post.no wonder their down to 40000 circulation with the cat in a tree news.it was 120000 20 years ago.
No we dont need more hotels bland offices and apartments.I have uncovered the first step of corruption behind the derailing of the alternative schemes for the gaumont site and the push aheasd against the will of the people of the garbage passed by the planners.
Yorkshire Forward were meant to maintain the site.They did not.Chairman of yorkshire Forward (govt regional development agency)has now popped up as a director at Morphe.Morphe has facilitated a meeting with the proposed developer and the new owners of the site the home and communities agency.morphe even put the Home and Communities Agency logo on their stationery.They were ordered to remove.
Can you smell the sweet smell of corruption behind every move.
I can and I"m going for the jugular.
Next stop.The Police.Guess who else is behind Morphe.steven Tallboys who oversaw as part of the Bradford centre regeneration company that has blown the 2000 million on Bradford regeneration schemes over the past ten years to create..........A GUETTO.
yes we have every right to be angry.
VOTE THEM OUT EVERYBODY>
[quote][p][bold]djmoulson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]arhmen aleg[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]djmoulson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]arhmen aleg[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]djmoulson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]arhmen aleg[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MisterBD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]birkybull[/bold] wrote: Move City to Odsal. Then no one has to enter Mini pakistan or mini afghanistan when they want to go watch City. The area around the ground is a total Ghetto. City would pay peanuts in rent at Odsal just like the Bulls are doing. Gibb would be left with a big elephant doing nothing.The Valley Parade pitch is not big enough to play Rugby league FULL STOP.[/p][/quote]get real the whole town is a ghetto ![/p][/quote]Agree about the ghetto. the bigger picture from an Avenue fan. 1.neither club now own their ground. 2.VP has potential good land value for a supermarket to serve the rapidly expanding local population. 3.Odsal has significantly high land value as a land fill site. 4,Land behind Oddsal can be linked easily to the 606 also retaining access from odsal top. 5.The motarway link would open up acres of other development land for potential iinvestors.Man City and City of Manchester council have entered into agreements to develop state of the art facilities for Man City and the arab money will see derelict land surrounding the site developed.It can be done. 5.A CITY OF BRADFORD Stadium would serve the needs of 20000 potential bullites and 20000 potential paraders. Not forgetting my own club BPA whose fans have always had a close affinity with the Bulls. 6.Most 20000 stadiums may cost anything between 20 to 40 million. 7.A self serving puddle for those that live next to it in the town hall has cost OVER 25 million.No jobs are created as a consequence of the puddle and will never be.In these times it is economic madness a pandering folly to councillor stupidity,nice as it is.At least the memorial to the 56 poor souls of 1985 have a nice backdrop to quiet contemplation. 7.I ask why are all not prepared to sacrifice historic sentimentality to end the economic madness.Most other towns and cities have overcome the sentimentality in the name of progress.Not many at the Riverside now mourn the loss of Ayresome Park or the same can be said for Roker,Leeds Road or any other former stadiums where housing (I am told much needed)or commerciacl developments now stand. 8.A brand new ground would unite most.Picthes today as at Liverpool,Finally Wembley (after 10 dig ups following the involvment of Bradfords Sports turf institute) have a mix of 3 G and natural grass.The modern artificial supplement does not give the pitches any other effect than GRASS. I will never understand why things are so stupidly,bigotedly thought out in Bradford whist other cities progress that have suffered similar post deindustrialisation need to change. George Galloway boldly states he has contacts with middle Eastern investors. If the land off the 806 would interest them I feel sure the obstacles concerning lease arrangements with the current unsuitable for both codes of sport stadia and the bickering of fans and the holding on to the past could be overcome. It just needs some common will. All I see on here is the degeneration of the arguments to self serving self interested selfishness. THE COMMON GOOD should never be far from the argument. And it is financial constraint that the MP is attempting to tackle in his suggestion. But then MP"s and councillors dont exactly practice what they preach in such matters. Which is why the council spent towards 30 million building a puddle when 40000 regular followers of the two main clubs would probably have preferred a stadium. Is that where the airp[ort sale money went.Still gives them a nice view out of City Hall paid for by me and you.And they lavish free catering at ALL their meetings.and are closing the very busy Richard Dunn cafe. Vote for change this week.Galloway has spoken on national TV of his support for City and the Bulls.Vote Respect and hold him to it. He may have indeed the contacts with the money men(none left here for sadly) to make some things happen for us long suffering Bradfordians. THINGS COULD NOT BE RUN ANY WORSE THAN THE APPALLING MESS THE CITY HAS BECOME Evertime I pass the derelict Park Avenue I weep at the madness that happened to that fine stadium through previous councillors stupidity.And the stubborness of Northern at the time not to use it. Bradfordians should look to the bigger picture.And stop clinging sentimentally to our happy and many unhappy memories of the past. NEW STADIUM.COUNCIL BACKED[/p][/quote]arhmen aleg, not everyone sits behind sentiment and wants to live in the past, and please read my post yesterday regarding 3G and a community stadium. No one can take away what's happened in the past, good or bad, we all remember. Short term VP would seem the answer, but long term there are many options, and I feel the majority would accept that. We can live in the past, or the twilight zone but Bradford will stand still if we do. CTID[/p][/quote]Common sense.Not sure where your 3 g post is but we all know summer rugby and soccer works ok at many other citys new stadium.Coventry is an excellent example and swansea liberty.Remember the dump veitch field was.I do when I past the two sider whilst at the great Robbie James funeral only back in 1999. If the bulls jump now to VP a new stadium would never happen.And Gibb may not allow it given his hatred for the City. You have my sympathy.The majority of Bullites do not appear to have stomach for such a move either. But then when did fans ever get a say in the running of their clubs. Avenue forever.glad City have stayed up. One day the city will turn. dont rely on Ken or Jack.They did their bit and walked because of the attitude of the sort of bigotry that comes out on here. Where there is a will there is a hope.[/p][/quote]I'm hearing you, and agree that neither club can rely on Ken or Jack, that just won't happen. I remember the Vetch very well and it shows what can happen with a little foresight and the guts to speculate. I'm a great believer that our City will see glory again, I just worry how low we all have to go to see that. I want all our teams to succeed, and put Bradford back on the map for positive reasons for once!![/p][/quote]Throw that man a biscuit. If everyone wanted the same a united front where all its teams and the city were propering again we would all be an awfull lot happier. The Bulls and City have had outstanding success. a magnificent effort in 99 and the Bulls World champs. Bad management decisions have subsequently let the fans down.And that is mirroed by appalling council decisions that have seen 2000 million in govt regeneration money squandered to create what.A city on the floor. A seven million bridge to replace a perfectly good one on Manchester Road. Not even able to properly maintain to fire regulations the city library. Then their building a cycle lane so everyone can get to work in the city on their pushbikes.Would you dare venture onto the roads in Bradford (the accident stage managed insurance scam capital of the world)on a push bike?notwithstanding that there are no jobs in the city left anyway.Where will the lunacy end. It can start at the ballot box this week with a vote for a dictator type elected mayor like middlesboro has had for several years.Ray Mallon sorted all the big drug dealers once elected cleaned the place up got heavy on crime and sorted the corruption that blighted it. Does anyone else not feel corruption and a finger in the pie must not be behind many of the lunatic decisions that have been made on our behalf. I shall vote for George. if only cos hes already said he can find people with the brass to invest in Bradford sport and the city.Nothing could be worse than the lunacy that has gone on for 20 odd years.And even before that.Leeds had far more idea 20 years ago.The place looks thriving compared to our third world little hell hole. VOTE THEM OUT>THEY DO NOT DESERVE ANOTHER MINUTE NEVER MIND 4 YEARS.THEY SHOULD BE GIVEN 10 YEARS IN ARMLEY ON BREAD AND WATER> yes were all angry ar"nt we[/p][/quote]You missed out the £millions spent on consultancy fees to decide to go against the majority of Bradfordians wishes by attempting to knock down the Odeon/Gaumont cinema to replace it with another hotel and 5* office space that we don't need that resembles Provincial House that was on the opposite corner and knocked down because it was dated, when William Alsop's strategy was to stand out from the concrete of every other city and not try compete with them. I won't be voting for anyone involved in the backhanded, propoganda ridden ways of the past 10 years. I also feel the T&A are guilty of this travesty also, supporting the demolition of the Odeon, all quiet when there is proof of worthy reasons to keep, and filling pages when it shows the plans of new. Not allowing us to post comments on sensitive issues when they feel it might show the true feelings of the citizens of our city, but can comment when Ethel has her cat saved from a tree. As I say we all want the best for our city, and to feel proud of where we live, lets hope we can get there...!![/p][/quote]My sentiments entirely.Even the journalists down there are depairing that the bully of an editor decides what we can and cannot read or post.no wonder their down to 40000 circulation with the cat in a tree news.it was 120000 20 years ago. No we dont need more hotels bland offices and apartments.I have uncovered the first step of corruption behind the derailing of the alternative schemes for the gaumont site and the push aheasd against the will of the people of the garbage passed by the planners. Yorkshire Forward were meant to maintain the site.They did not.Chairman of yorkshire Forward (govt regional development agency)has now popped up as a director at Morphe.Morphe has facilitated a meeting with the proposed developer and the new owners of the site the home and communities agency.morphe even put the Home and Communities Agency logo on their stationery.They were ordered to remove. Can you smell the sweet smell of corruption behind every move. I can and I"m going for the jugular. Next stop.The Police.Guess who else is behind Morphe.steven Tallboys who oversaw as part of the Bradford centre regeneration company that has blown the 2000 million on Bradford regeneration schemes over the past ten years to create..........A GUETTO. yes we have every right to be angry. VOTE THEM OUT EVERYBODY> arhmen aleg
  • Score: 0

12:36pm Mon 30 Apr 12

Prisoner Cell Block A says...

eebygum wrote:
Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:
theviking62 wrote:
Murphys'law, you are one bloody doom monger. Are we skint, do you know that for certain, have you got inside info that you are holding from the rest of the supporters, you know we are not getting any investment. No, you, like the rest of us, have no idea what's going to happen, so stop with the negative posts. We will all find out together, your posts and those of others are the reason rumours start. But if you do know more, why not share it with us. To all city posters one question, would you move to odsal. If the answer is no, state reasons why. I bet there very similar, to those of bulls supporters not wanting to go to vp. So let's put it to bed, once and for all. Don't feed the trolls.
After the time spent there playing in the aftermath of the fire I would say a resounding no. It is a desolate, open area, odd cambers on the pitch, lacking in atmosphere even back then and we were doing fairly well. Leeds Road and Elland Road were both more suited to our needs and obviously were already set up for football, both on and off the pitch. We were thankful for the use in our time of need but the fact we chose to play out of the city more than we did at Odsal was due to the footballing side of things and not finances.
I think you will find that we played most of our games at Odsal in the season away from VP we only played a few games at Hudders & Luuds. I for one would not want to move to Odsal in it's present state. It would need millions throwing at the problem to solve the stadium criteria that the football league require. Plus I believe that this is more to do with local elections rather than actually caring where the Bulls play or City for that matter. Where was Mr Ward when the rent tenure was a problem at VP?
Is that a David Guetto? Or is it Guetta, either way voting these out to vote RESPECT in would see a bigger, approved ghetto, so although the choices are poor I still won't be putting my X anywhere near a party that campaigns on one policy only but makes the wonderful soundbite noises like all the others.

Labour and RESPECT can shoot it out themselves, literally. Why would anyone on a charity mission need to hold a gun and even more importantly have a picture taken of such if it wasn't to 'show off' or promote their ideology?
[quote][p][bold]eebygum[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Prisoner Cell Block A[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]theviking62[/bold] wrote: Murphys'law, you are one bloody doom monger. Are we skint, do you know that for certain, have you got inside info that you are holding from the rest of the supporters, you know we are not getting any investment. No, you, like the rest of us, have no idea what's going to happen, so stop with the negative posts. We will all find out together, your posts and those of others are the reason rumours start. But if you do know more, why not share it with us. To all city posters one question, would you move to odsal. If the answer is no, state reasons why. I bet there very similar, to those of bulls supporters not wanting to go to vp. So let's put it to bed, once and for all. Don't feed the trolls.[/p][/quote]After the time spent there playing in the aftermath of the fire I would say a resounding no. It is a desolate, open area, odd cambers on the pitch, lacking in atmosphere even back then and we were doing fairly well. Leeds Road and Elland Road were both more suited to our needs and obviously were already set up for football, both on and off the pitch. We were thankful for the use in our time of need but the fact we chose to play out of the city more than we did at Odsal was due to the footballing side of things and not finances.[/p][/quote]I think you will find that we played most of our games at Odsal in the season away from VP we only played a few games at Hudders & Luuds. I for one would not want to move to Odsal in it's present state. It would need millions throwing at the problem to solve the stadium criteria that the football league require. Plus I believe that this is more to do with local elections rather than actually caring where the Bulls play or City for that matter. Where was Mr Ward when the rent tenure was a problem at VP?[/p][/quote]Is that a David Guetto? Or is it Guetta, either way voting these out to vote RESPECT in would see a bigger, approved ghetto, so although the choices are poor I still won't be putting my X anywhere near a party that campaigns on one policy only but makes the wonderful soundbite noises like all the others. Labour and RESPECT can shoot it out themselves, literally. Why would anyone on a charity mission need to hold a gun and even more importantly have a picture taken of such if it wasn't to 'show off' or promote their ideology? Prisoner Cell Block A
  • Score: 0

7:35pm Mon 30 Apr 12

flogem says...

Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:
eebygum wrote:
Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:
theviking62 wrote: Murphys'law, you are one bloody doom monger. Are we skint, do you know that for certain, have you got inside info that you are holding from the rest of the supporters, you know we are not getting any investment. No, you, like the rest of us, have no idea what's going to happen, so stop with the negative posts. We will all find out together, your posts and those of others are the reason rumours start. But if you do know more, why not share it with us. To all city posters one question, would you move to odsal. If the answer is no, state reasons why. I bet there very similar, to those of bulls supporters not wanting to go to vp. So let's put it to bed, once and for all. Don't feed the trolls.
After the time spent there playing in the aftermath of the fire I would say a resounding no. It is a desolate, open area, odd cambers on the pitch, lacking in atmosphere even back then and we were doing fairly well. Leeds Road and Elland Road were both more suited to our needs and obviously were already set up for football, both on and off the pitch. We were thankful for the use in our time of need but the fact we chose to play out of the city more than we did at Odsal was due to the footballing side of things and not finances.
I think you will find that we played most of our games at Odsal in the season away from VP we only played a few games at Hudders & Luuds. I for one would not want to move to Odsal in it's present state. It would need millions throwing at the problem to solve the stadium criteria that the football league require. Plus I believe that this is more to do with local elections rather than actually caring where the Bulls play or City for that matter. Where was Mr Ward when the rent tenure was a problem at VP?
Is that a David Guetto? Or is it Guetta, either way voting these out to vote RESPECT in would see a bigger, approved ghetto, so although the choices are poor I still won't be putting my X anywhere near a party that campaigns on one policy only but makes the wonderful soundbite noises like all the others. Labour and RESPECT can shoot it out themselves, literally. Why would anyone on a charity mission need to hold a gun and even more importantly have a picture taken of such if it wasn't to 'show off' or promote their ideology?
Well said old pal
[quote][p][bold]Prisoner Cell Block A[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eebygum[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Prisoner Cell Block A[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]theviking62[/bold] wrote: Murphys'law, you are one bloody doom monger. Are we skint, do you know that for certain, have you got inside info that you are holding from the rest of the supporters, you know we are not getting any investment. No, you, like the rest of us, have no idea what's going to happen, so stop with the negative posts. We will all find out together, your posts and those of others are the reason rumours start. But if you do know more, why not share it with us. To all city posters one question, would you move to odsal. If the answer is no, state reasons why. I bet there very similar, to those of bulls supporters not wanting to go to vp. So let's put it to bed, once and for all. Don't feed the trolls.[/p][/quote]After the time spent there playing in the aftermath of the fire I would say a resounding no. It is a desolate, open area, odd cambers on the pitch, lacking in atmosphere even back then and we were doing fairly well. Leeds Road and Elland Road were both more suited to our needs and obviously were already set up for football, both on and off the pitch. We were thankful for the use in our time of need but the fact we chose to play out of the city more than we did at Odsal was due to the footballing side of things and not finances.[/p][/quote]I think you will find that we played most of our games at Odsal in the season away from VP we only played a few games at Hudders & Luuds. I for one would not want to move to Odsal in it's present state. It would need millions throwing at the problem to solve the stadium criteria that the football league require. Plus I believe that this is more to do with local elections rather than actually caring where the Bulls play or City for that matter. Where was Mr Ward when the rent tenure was a problem at VP?[/p][/quote]Is that a David Guetto? Or is it Guetta, either way voting these out to vote RESPECT in would see a bigger, approved ghetto, so although the choices are poor I still won't be putting my X anywhere near a party that campaigns on one policy only but makes the wonderful soundbite noises like all the others. Labour and RESPECT can shoot it out themselves, literally. Why would anyone on a charity mission need to hold a gun and even more importantly have a picture taken of such if it wasn't to 'show off' or promote their ideology?[/p][/quote]Well said old pal flogem
  • Score: 0

10:59pm Mon 30 Apr 12

EthelBurger says...

F***ing numpty parliamentarian. I hate footie but even I know that it would be a disaster for the turf - no way can footie and rugby share a ground. d**khead.
F***ing numpty parliamentarian. I hate footie but even I know that it would be a disaster for the turf - no way can footie and rugby share a ground. d**khead. EthelBurger
  • Score: 0

5:18pm Tue 1 May 12

huggy b says...

EthelBurger wrote:
F***ing numpty parliamentarian. I hate footie but even I know that it would be a disaster for the turf - no way can footie and rugby share a ground. d**khead.
Wigan? Hull (FC and City)? Huddersfield? Bristol (Rovers and RU), Reading/London Irish? Sale/ Stockport? Watford/Saracens? Wycombe /Wasps? Other than that you're right.
[quote][p][bold]EthelBurger[/bold] wrote: F***ing numpty parliamentarian. I hate footie but even I know that it would be a disaster for the turf - no way can footie and rugby share a ground. d**khead.[/p][/quote]Wigan? Hull (FC and City)? Huddersfield? Bristol (Rovers and RU), Reading/London Irish? Sale/ Stockport? Watford/Saracens? Wycombe /Wasps? Other than that you're right. huggy b
  • Score: 0

11:48am Thu 3 May 12

thedealsealer says...

Odsal should remain as the home of the once mighty bulls
Odsal should remain as the home of the once mighty bulls thedealsealer
  • Score: 0

4:11am Tue 8 May 12

arhmen aleg says...

thedealsealer wrote:
Odsal should remain as the home of the once mighty bulls
Well find the hundreds of millions then.
Because noone else in this knackered city have what is needed.
It needs filling in for profit and a shared ground capable of 20000 built adjacent on the high ground behind the Coral Stand.
Big Hole potential goldmine.
Land and motarway link already there.
Obstacles.Sentiment.
Wembley North delusions.Plain economic stupid thinking.
[quote][p][bold]thedealsealer[/bold] wrote: Odsal should remain as the home of the once mighty bulls[/p][/quote]Well find the hundreds of millions then. Because noone else in this knackered city have what is needed. It needs filling in for profit and a shared ground capable of 20000 built adjacent on the high ground behind the Coral Stand. Big Hole potential goldmine. Land and motarway link already there. Obstacles.Sentiment. Wembley North delusions.Plain economic stupid thinking. arhmen aleg
  • Score: 0

Comments are closed on this article.

Send us your news, pictures and videos

Most read stories

Local Info

Enter your postcode, town or place name

About cookies

We want you to enjoy your visit to our website. That's why we use cookies to enhance your experience. By staying on our website you agree to our use of cookies. Find out more about the cookies we use.

I agree