Galloway: I'm here to help Bantams and Bulls (From Bradford Telegraph and Argus)

ricky76 wrote:
Rather have ML and JR than this clown.

ALEXIMO.56. wrote:
Georgie boy claims that City are in fincial difficulty. I can't remember the club announcing this.!! This man sounds like a propper clown. Like I mentioned in my earlier post, if he wants to help then he needs to get 10,000 of his voters to buy a s/tkt for next season and then keep well away.

Rambo wrote:
Remember Munto finance and Notts County? Blue Sky and Port Vale? The last thing we want at BCFC (or maybe the Bulls) is to become the plaything of some fly-by-night investor who last week had never heard of Bradford. Look at the state of the other teams with questionable foreign investment e.g. Portsmouth and Birmingham to name but two. And then there are Man City and Chelsea. Unbelievably wealthy, but totally souless - ran more like the WWE than a football club.

bullsinlancs wrote:
Do you seriously want me to believe this guy is for real??. Lets remember a couple of years ago this guy was on celebrity big brother looking for attention....Then he pops up in bradford and tells everyone what they want to hear and then portrays he is the saviour for the bulls and bantams...Come on guys wise up this guy is a self obsessed publicity hungry dreamer!!

murphyslaw wrote:
LET ME REMIND PEOPLE OUR YOUNG LADS HAVE GIVEN THEIR LIVES FOR OUR COUNTRY AND THIS **** SHOOK THE HAND OF THE DESPOT RESPONSIBLE.

chillpill wrote:
For a polition he is brilliant, he has seen the plight of both clubs and is AGAIN saying all the right things before another election. Why the hell cant any other polition do the same? Galloway is at least giving the city some hope, where there was none before.

murphyslaw wrote:
LET ME REMIND PEOPLE OUR YOUNG LADS HAVE GIVEN THEIR LIVES FOR OUR COUNTRY AND THIS **** SHOOK THE HAND OF THE DESPOT RESPONSIBLE.

fabricator666 wrote:
Rambo,
I've been a Man City fan since 1975. I can assure you, it has far more soul than you can imagine, along with the most loyal fans in the land. It is nothing like WWE. A proper club in fact, run for the fans.
Good luck to City though, I hope they do find a saviour, but it won't be Galloway. He's just on his never ending ego trip

dapiackle wrote:

murphyslaw wrote: LET ME REMIND PEOPLE OUR YOUNG LADS HAVE GIVEN THEIR LIVES FOR OUR COUNTRY AND THIS **** SHOOK THE HAND OF THE DESPOT RESPONSIBLE.

The despots responsible for the Iraq war were Mr. Blair & Bush and their cronies, unless I missed something and there were in fact WMDs in Iraq and Saddam (installed and funded by the West, just like the Taliban) had in fact attacked us, and that he tried to harbour Al-Qaeda. A totally pointless and illegal war in a dreadful part of the world that wasn't worth one drop of any British serviceman's blood.

murphyslaw wrote:
LET ME REMIND PEOPLE OUR YOUNG LADS HAVE GIVEN THEIR LIVES FOR OUR COUNTRY AND THIS **** SHOOK THE HAND OF THE DESPOT RESPONSIBLE.

gspot01 wrote:
Yeah Galloway is a bit of a clown but if he can help then fair play.
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Fans moan that the team is poor, fans moan that ML & JR don't invest, fans moan that we should be playing better football blah blah blah........then galloway says he MAY be able to influence people to invest in the club and we read the above posts telling him to STAY AWAY FROM OUR CLUB!!!! These are the same people that moan that we have no money.......morons.
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No harm in having talks and discussion possibilities between the 3 of them.

gspot01 wrote:
Yeah Galloway is a bit of a clown but if he can help then fair play. . Fans moan that the team is poor, fans moan that ML & JR don't invest, fans moan that we should be playing better football blah blah blah........then galloway says he MAY be able to influence people to invest in the club and we read the above posts telling him to STAY AWAY FROM OUR CLUB!!!! These are the same people that moan that we have no money.......morons. . No harm in having talks and discussion possibilities between the 3 of them.

FP wrote:
people on this thread are just so dim witted, they dont have have enough brains to pop a smartie. These are the same old goons who come on T&A everyday and find articles on which they can insult others anonymously. Don't you get it? This city is sinking fast!!! To all those bigots slagging George Galloway off, get a grip will you and grow up. This man shattered Labour in the elections beyond imagination. Something which the above bigoted pessimists have none of. Just have some sense of vision in your lives for once. Things don't happen overnight. But, I hope and pray for the day when George has rescued many iconic landmarks beyond doom and destruction, something which this current council has been happy to see. In conclusion, I am with you George, all the way as are many others. This is the not the beginning of the end, but merely the end of the beginning. You have answered Bradford distress calls... SOS

nowt fresh wrote:

dapiackle wrote:

murphyslaw wrote: LET ME REMIND PEOPLE OUR YOUNG LADS HAVE GIVEN THEIR LIVES FOR OUR COUNTRY AND THIS **** SHOOK THE HAND OF THE DESPOT RESPONSIBLE.

The despots responsible for the Iraq war were Mr. Blair & Bush and their cronies, unless I missed something and there were in fact WMDs in Iraq and Saddam (installed and funded by the West, just like the Taliban) had in fact attacked us, and that he tried to harbour Al-Qaeda. A totally pointless and illegal war in a dreadful part of the world that wasn't worth one drop of any British serviceman's blood.

Bang on the money (excuse the pun) dapiackle :-)

lonniejockstrap wrote:

nowt fresh wrote:

dapiackle wrote:

murphyslaw wrote: LET ME REMIND PEOPLE OUR YOUNG LADS HAVE GIVEN THEIR LIVES FOR OUR COUNTRY AND THIS **** SHOOK THE HAND OF THE DESPOT RESPONSIBLE.

The despots responsible for the Iraq war were Mr. Blair & Bush and their cronies, unless I missed something and there were in fact WMDs in Iraq and Saddam (installed and funded by the West, just like the Taliban) had in fact attacked us, and that he tried to harbour Al-Qaeda. A totally pointless and illegal war in a dreadful part of the world that wasn't worth one drop of any British serviceman's blood.

Bang on the money (excuse the pun) dapiackle :-)

What we ALL need to stop doing is believing what politicians say without question. What we ALL need to start doing is searching below the superficial stories that are printed in the media about why we should invade or attack other countries around the World. Then, when we have used our Brain to THINK and understand the REAL reasons we can then chose to either agree or disagree with those REAL reasons for what is being done in our name. Can anyone tell me why the Taliban were invited to Washington to discuss deals/contracts etc to run Gas and Oil pipes through Afghanistan if they were at that time, so unacceptable to the West? Guess what happened to Afghanistan a short period of time after the Taliban refused to do the deals with the major Energy Corporations re the pipelines? Why is the American Government trying it's damnedest to overthrow the Democratically elected president of Venezuela? Could it be something to do with Chavez trying to sell Oil based on the strength of the Euro instead of the Dollar? What's the real reason that threats are being made to attack Iran? Could it be something to do with Iran trying to sell Oil based on the strength of the Euro instead of the Dollar as opposed to another threat of WMD? Also, investigate what Saddam Hussein did as regards selling Oil based on the Euro and not the Dollar? Still haven't found those WMD's that threatened the West have we? Oh, and you might as well check on Tony Blair's ex-mate Gaddafi regarding Oil and the ditching of the Dollar. At the end of your investigations you might agree or disagree as to why we had to go to War, it's up to you -it's a free country, unless of course the American Government doesn't agree with you. The important thing is this: at least you should have reduced the amount of brainwashing and propaganda that is controlling your thoughtsand be basing your support -or otherwise- for these Wars/Conflicts armed with more information. Here is something to help you on your way: The end of the Dollar by Ron Paul www.lewrockwell.com/ paul/paul303.html

lonniejockstrap wrote:

nowt fresh wrote:

dapiackle wrote:

murphyslaw wrote: LET ME REMIND PEOPLE OUR YOUNG LADS HAVE GIVEN THEIR LIVES FOR OUR COUNTRY AND THIS **** SHOOK THE HAND OF THE DESPOT RESPONSIBLE.

The despots responsible for the Iraq war were Mr. Blair & Bush and their cronies, unless I missed something and there were in fact WMDs in Iraq and Saddam (installed and funded by the West, just like the Taliban) had in fact attacked us, and that he tried to harbour Al-Qaeda. A totally pointless and illegal war in a dreadful part of the world that wasn't worth one drop of any British serviceman's blood.

Bang on the money (excuse the pun) dapiackle :-)

What we ALL need to stop doing is believing what politicians say without question. What we ALL need to start doing is searching below the superficial stories that are printed in the media about why we should invade or attack other countries around the World. Then, when we have used our Brain to THINK and understand the REAL reasons we can then chose to either agree or disagree with those REAL reasons for what is being done in our name. Can anyone tell me why the Taliban were invited to Washington to discuss deals/contracts etc to run Gas and Oil pipes through Afghanistan if they were at that time, so unacceptable to the West? Guess what happened to Afghanistan a short period of time after the Taliban refused to do the deals with the major Energy Corporations re the pipelines? Why is the American Government trying it's damnedest to overthrow the Democratically elected president of Venezuela? Could it be something to do with Chavez trying to sell Oil based on the strength of the Euro instead of the Dollar? What's the real reason that threats are being made to attack Iran? Could it be something to do with Iran trying to sell Oil based on the strength of the Euro instead of the Dollar as opposed to another threat of WMD? Also, investigate what Saddam Hussein did as regards selling Oil based on the Euro and not the Dollar? Still haven't found those WMD's that threatened the West have we? Oh, and you might as well check on Tony Blair's ex-mate Gaddafi regarding Oil and the ditching of the Dollar. At the end of your investigations you might agree or disagree as to why we had to go to War, it's up to you -it's a free country, unless of course the American Government doesn't agree with you. The important thing is this: at least you should have reduced the amount of brainwashing and propaganda that is controlling your thoughtsand be basing your support -or otherwise- for these Wars/Conflicts armed with more information. Here is something to help you on your way: The end of the Dollar by Ron Paul www.lewrockwell.com/ paul/paul303.html

lonniejockstrap wrote:

nowt fresh wrote:

dapiackle wrote:

murphyslaw wrote: LET ME REMIND PEOPLE OUR YOUNG LADS HAVE GIVEN THEIR LIVES FOR OUR COUNTRY AND THIS **** SHOOK THE HAND OF THE DESPOT RESPONSIBLE.

The despots responsible for the Iraq war were Mr. Blair & Bush and their cronies, unless I missed something and there were in fact WMDs in Iraq and Saddam (installed and funded by the West, just like the Taliban) had in fact attacked us, and that he tried to harbour Al-Qaeda. A totally pointless and illegal war in a dreadful part of the world that wasn't worth one drop of any British serviceman's blood.

Bang on the money (excuse the pun) dapiackle :-)

What we ALL need to stop doing is believing what politicians say without question. What we ALL need to start doing is searching below the superficial stories that are printed in the media about why we should invade or attack other countries around the World. Then, when we have used our Brain to THINK and understand the REAL reasons we can then chose to either agree or disagree with those REAL reasons for what is being done in our name.

Can anyone tell me why the Taliban were invited to Washington to discuss deals/contracts etc to run Gas and Oil pipes through Afghanistan if they were at that time, so unacceptable to the West?
Guess what happened to Afghanistan a short period of time after the Taliban refused to do the deals with the major Energy Corporations re the pipelines?

Why is the American Government trying it's damnedest to overthrow the Democratically elected president of Venezuela? Could it be something to do with Chavez trying to sell Oil based on the strength of the Euro instead of the Dollar?

What's the real reason that threats are being made to attack Iran? Could it be something to do with Iran trying to sell Oil based on the strength of the Euro instead of the Dollar as opposed to another threat of WMD?

Also, investigate what Saddam Hussein did as regards selling Oil based on the Euro and not the Dollar? Still haven't found those WMD's that threatened the West have we? Oh, and you might as well check on Tony Blair's ex-mate Gaddafi regarding Oil and the ditching of the Dollar.

At the end of your investigations you might agree or disagree as to why we had to go to War, it's up to you -it's a free country, unless of course the American Government doesn't agree with you. The important thing is this: at least you should have reduced the amount of brainwashing and propaganda that is controlling your thoughtsand be basing your support -or otherwise- for these Wars/Conflicts armed with more information.

Here is something to help you on your way:

The end of the Dollar by Ron Paul www.lewrockwell.com/

paul/paul303.html

lonniejockstrap wrote:
Maybe GG could also have a chat with Steve Parking? SP seemed interested in joining the two Clubs together to form a type of Sporting Club/'community' GG and the Respect Party are about bringing Communities together through mutual respect etc. Seems there are some similarities of Vision here?

flashdonut wrote:

lonniejockstrap wrote:

nowt fresh wrote:

dapiackle wrote:

murphyslaw wrote: LET ME REMIND PEOPLE OUR YOUNG LADS HAVE GIVEN THEIR LIVES FOR OUR COUNTRY AND THIS **** SHOOK THE HAND OF THE DESPOT RESPONSIBLE.

The despots responsible for the Iraq war were Mr. Blair & Bush and their cronies, unless I missed something and there were in fact WMDs in Iraq and Saddam (installed and funded by the West, just like the Taliban) had in fact attacked us, and that he tried to harbour Al-Qaeda. A totally pointless and illegal war in a dreadful part of the world that wasn't worth one drop of any British serviceman's blood.

Bang on the money (excuse the pun) dapiackle :-)

What we ALL need to stop doing is believing what politicians say without question. What we ALL need to start doing is searching below the superficial stories that are printed in the media about why we should invade or attack other countries around the World. Then, when we have used our Brain to THINK and understand the REAL reasons we can then chose to either agree or disagree with those REAL reasons for what is being done in our name.

Can anyone tell me why the Taliban were invited to Washington to discuss deals/contracts etc to run Gas and Oil pipes through Afghanistan if they were at that time, so unacceptable to the West?
Guess what happened to Afghanistan a short period of time after the Taliban refused to do the deals with the major Energy Corporations re the pipelines?

Why is the American Government trying it's damnedest to overthrow the Democratically elected president of Venezuela? Could it be something to do with Chavez trying to sell Oil based on the strength of the Euro instead of the Dollar?

What's the real reason that threats are being made to attack Iran? Could it be something to do with Iran trying to sell Oil based on the strength of the Euro instead of the Dollar as opposed to another threat of WMD?

Also, investigate what Saddam Hussein did as regards selling Oil based on the Euro and not the Dollar? Still haven't found those WMD's that threatened the West have we? Oh, and you might as well check on Tony Blair's ex-mate Gaddafi regarding Oil and the ditching of the Dollar.

At the end of your investigations you might agree or disagree as to why we had to go to War, it's up to you -it's a free country, unless of course the American Government doesn't agree with you. The important thing is this: at least you should have reduced the amount of brainwashing and propaganda that is controlling your thoughtsand be basing your support -or otherwise- for these Wars/Conflicts armed with more information.

Here is something to help you on your way:

The end of the Dollar by Ron Paul www.lewrockwell.com/


paul/paul303.html

What the?
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Bit too deep for most folk. I just want to win the Challenge Cup again.
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Wemberleeeeeey, Wemberleeeeeey, we're the famous Bradford Bulls and we're going to Wemberleeeeeeeey.

Rambo wrote:

fabricator666 wrote:
Rambo,
I've been a Man City fan since 1975. I can assure you, it has far more soul than you can imagine, along with the most loyal fans in the land. It is nothing like WWE. A proper club in fact, run for the fans.
Good luck to City though, I hope they do find a saviour, but it won't be Galloway. He's just on his never ending ego trip

Well then you'll probably agree like Chelsea Man City had no chance of winning the league until the billionaires came along and started playing real-life Football Manager? Throwing money at anything like its small change, players on average 'wages' of £100k-250k a week.
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And let me have a wild guess here. Have Man City arranged a pre-season 'tour', probably somewhere in the Far-East, Im guessing China or Japan(aka, money making venture)?
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You'll turn into everything you hated at Man Utd - followed by millions of armchair fans at home and abroad who have no affinity or loyalty to anything to do with the club or Manchester.
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Going a bit further abroad, how about billionaire-owned Anzhi Makhachkala in Russia (whom Samuel Eto'o plays for and is on around £300k a week)... They're based in Dagestan but the players have to fly in from Moscow (1200 miles) for games due to security reasons.... If that isn't akin to WWE I don't know what is....
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I remember talking to another City fan I bumped into in the pub a few years ago, and Chelsea were on TV. He said this exactly whats wrong with English football - foreign owners, foreign players, foreign fans, foreign sponsors etc. None have little or any interest in any thing else except money or their egos. Forget the local area, forget the national team, its all business and nothing else.
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Like at last nights game at Wigan - the animated advertising boards were constantly playing in Asian languages and even promoting Man United in the far east this summer. People will say thats fine though, as its business. I think theres something wrong from a sporting perspective on so many levels.

Babbsy wrote:
What is up with people? We have incompetent people at the top at both Valley Parade and Odsal, and people are turning their noses up at potential club transforming amounts of money that could see both re-emerge as forces in their respective sports after years of decline. I was far from Mr Galloway's biggest fan, but if he can help bring an end to the last 11 years of misery I've had to endure at Valley Parade he'll get my vote for the next ten years. If he can help bring to an end the 11 year disgrace that have also been Westfield and the Odeon too he'll get my vote for life and I'll also end up loving this man. he's high profile and he's the only person who's walked into this City in a decade who's wanted to change it's prospects rather than either sweeping the problems under the carpet, or leaving at the first available opportunity. We can only hope all this promise won't prove to be a false dawn, but ath the moment the mere fact that the disgrace that is Westfied and the Odeon are now in the National concious, which is more than has happend in all that time. The Country usually just closes it's eyes and pretends Bradford isn't there usually.

stiflers mom wrote:
Fortunatly he wont be able to make the macclesfield game as he will be attending a public stoning on the site where manningham ward labour club used to stand !!!

roofie321 wrote:
Remember this is the bloke that during his campaign said he didn't drink and when he won the election put on twitter it was great winning and representing Blackburn

lonniejockstrap wrote:

nowt fresh wrote:

dapiackle wrote:

murphyslaw wrote: LET ME REMIND PEOPLE OUR YOUNG LADS HAVE GIVEN THEIR LIVES FOR OUR COUNTRY AND THIS **** SHOOK THE HAND OF THE DESPOT RESPONSIBLE.

The despots responsible for the Iraq war were Mr. Blair & Bush and their cronies, unless I missed something and there were in fact WMDs in Iraq and Saddam (installed and funded by the West, just like the Taliban) had in fact attacked us, and that he tried to harbour Al-Qaeda. A totally pointless and illegal war in a dreadful part of the world that wasn't worth one drop of any British serviceman's blood.

Bang on the money (excuse the pun) dapiackle :-)

What we ALL need to stop doing is believing what politicians say without question. What we ALL need to start doing is searching below the superficial stories that are printed in the media about why we should invade or attack other countries around the World. Then, when we have used our Brain to THINK and understand the REAL reasons we can then chose to either agree or disagree with those REAL reasons for what is being done in our name. Can anyone tell me why the Taliban were invited to Washington to discuss deals/contracts etc to run Gas and Oil pipes through Afghanistan if they were at that time, so unacceptable to the West? Guess what happened to Afghanistan a short period of time after the Taliban refused to do the deals with the major Energy Corporations re the pipelines? Why is the American Government trying it's damnedest to overthrow the Democratically elected president of Venezuela? Could it be something to do with Chavez trying to sell Oil based on the strength of the Euro instead of the Dollar? What's the real reason that threats are being made to attack Iran? Could it be something to do with Iran trying to sell Oil based on the strength of the Euro instead of the Dollar as opposed to another threat of WMD? Also, investigate what Saddam Hussein did as regards selling Oil based on the Euro and not the Dollar? Still haven't found those WMD's that threatened the West have we? Oh, and you might as well check on Tony Blair's ex-mate Gaddafi regarding Oil and the ditching of the Dollar. At the end of your investigations you might agree or disagree as to why we had to go to War, it's up to you -it's a free country, unless of course the American Government doesn't agree with you. The important thing is this: at least you should have reduced the amount of brainwashing and propaganda that is controlling your thoughtsand be basing your support -or otherwise- for these Wars/Conflicts armed with more information. Here is something to help you on your way: The end of the Dollar by Ron Paul www.lewrockwell.com/ paul/paul303.html

a reasonable sort of chap wrote:
Personally I couldn't care less about sport. I wish Mr. Galloway would concentrate on the important things, like legalizing Cannabis and banning crossbows.

thackley wrote:
if someone wants to help then let them - the moaners on here and their negativity wont get us out of this mess - dont know how people live with them if this is what they are like in their daily life

Waynus1971 wrote:

lonniejockstrap wrote:

nowt fresh wrote:

dapiackle wrote:

murphyslaw wrote: LET ME REMIND PEOPLE OUR YOUNG LADS HAVE GIVEN THEIR LIVES FOR OUR COUNTRY AND THIS **** SHOOK THE HAND OF THE DESPOT RESPONSIBLE.

The despots responsible for the Iraq war were Mr. Blair & Bush and their cronies, unless I missed something and there were in fact WMDs in Iraq and Saddam (installed and funded by the West, just like the Taliban) had in fact attacked us, and that he tried to harbour Al-Qaeda. A totally pointless and illegal war in a dreadful part of the world that wasn't worth one drop of any British serviceman's blood.

Bang on the money (excuse the pun) dapiackle :-)

What we ALL need to stop doing is believing what politicians say without question. What we ALL need to start doing is searching below the superficial stories that are printed in the media about why we should invade or attack other countries around the World. Then, when we have used our Brain to THINK and understand the REAL reasons we can then chose to either agree or disagree with those REAL reasons for what is being done in our name. Can anyone tell me why the Taliban were invited to Washington to discuss deals/contracts etc to run Gas and Oil pipes through Afghanistan if they were at that time, so unacceptable to the West? Guess what happened to Afghanistan a short period of time after the Taliban refused to do the deals with the major Energy Corporations re the pipelines? Why is the American Government trying it's damnedest to overthrow the Democratically elected president of Venezuela? Could it be something to do with Chavez trying to sell Oil based on the strength of the Euro instead of the Dollar? What's the real reason that threats are being made to attack Iran? Could it be something to do with Iran trying to sell Oil based on the strength of the Euro instead of the Dollar as opposed to another threat of WMD? Also, investigate what Saddam Hussein did as regards selling Oil based on the Euro and not the Dollar? Still haven't found those WMD's that threatened the West have we? Oh, and you might as well check on Tony Blair's ex-mate Gaddafi regarding Oil and the ditching of the Dollar. At the end of your investigations you might agree or disagree as to why we had to go to War, it's up to you -it's a free country, unless of course the American Government doesn't agree with you. The important thing is this: at least you should have reduced the amount of brainwashing and propaganda that is controlling your thoughtsand be basing your support -or otherwise- for these Wars/Conflicts armed with more information. Here is something to help you on your way: The end of the Dollar by Ron Paul www.lewrockwell.com/ paul/paul303.html

The thing is Lonnie, there is a big difference between questioning an 'illegal war' with a Country and 'defending/praising' their dictator. Yes, there are issues surrounding our involvement in the war against Iraq and the claims of WMD, as well as financing the purchase of weapons etc. However, there is absolutely no doubt that Hussein was guilty of war crimes against his own people and those in neighbouring countries. As such, I still do not understand why people such as Galloway put this man on a pedestal. He was, after all, a vile criminal, irrespective of whether it was our responsibility to capture/trial him..! . This has obviously been made worse by the subsequent capture, trial and execution of Hussein. Some of his 'followers' are now treating him as a modern day Martyr and he is certainly not one of those. . Let's be brutally honest about this. Galloway ONLY won his seat because of his views against the war on Iraq and his own opinion of Hussein. Had he been contesting the seat in a non-Asian community, he wouldn't have got anywhere near the number of votes that he did. Had he been running for the seat in Bradford South (for example), we wouldn't be having this debate. . As for his 'spin' above, I will believe it when I see it. If he can find wealthy backers that can take Bradford City forward and those backers are legit, I am all for it. As long as it isn't his 'dirty' money being invested, I don't see why others are against it. Surely progression is .... progression?

Rambo wrote:

a reasonable sort of chap wrote: Personally I couldn't care less about sport. I wish Mr. Galloway would concentrate on the important things, like legalizing Cannabis and banning crossbows.

Good for you!

shaun from richmond wrote:

Rambo wrote:

a reasonable sort of chap wrote: Personally I couldn't care less about sport. I wish Mr. Galloway would concentrate on the important things, like legalizing Cannabis and banning crossbows.

Good for you!

Cant see YOU "Rambo" wanting to ban Crossbows!!.

ricky76 wrote:
Rather have ML and JR than this clown.

Onebrianmitchell wrote:
Four rules in life. Never trust a man who;

A) has a beard
B) doesn't drink
C) doesn't like footy
D) wears white socks

He ticks a few of those boxes.

Onebrianmitchell wrote:
Four rules in life. Never trust a man who;

A) has a beard
B) doesn't drink
C) doesn't like footy
D) wears white socks

He ticks a few of those boxes.

mark04 wrote:

Onebrianmitchell wrote:
Four rules in life. Never trust a man who;

A) has a beard
B) doesn't drink
C) doesn't like footy
D) wears white socks

He ticks a few of those boxes.

So does Jesus Christ.

huggy b wrote:

mark04 wrote:

Onebrianmitchell wrote:
Four rules in life. Never trust a man who;

A) has a beard
B) doesn't drink
C) doesn't like footy
D) wears white socks

He ticks a few of those boxes.

So does Jesus Christ.

He did like footy, he was a good crosser.

Grandad final wrote:
"politician’s rhetoric" well any publicity is good publicity eh?

Would that be the Blackburn Bulls then?

Question: One James2Odsal on RLFANS.com or a big wad of notes from George and his mob? I know where my money is going and my head is held high....COME ON JAMES and COYB!!!!

PS IF GG REALLY DOES WANT TO HELP THEN DROP HALF A MILLION IN USED NOTES IN AN ENVELOPE AND POP IT ANON INTO THE OFFICE ASAP AND STOP TRYING TO BUY US COS IT DUNT WORK!

Waynus1971 wrote:

lonniejockstrap wrote:

nowt fresh wrote:

dapiackle wrote:

murphyslaw wrote: LET ME REMIND PEOPLE OUR YOUNG LADS HAVE GIVEN THEIR LIVES FOR OUR COUNTRY AND THIS **** SHOOK THE HAND OF THE DESPOT RESPONSIBLE.

The despots responsible for the Iraq war were Mr. Blair & Bush and their cronies, unless I missed something and there were in fact WMDs in Iraq and Saddam (installed and funded by the West, just like the Taliban) had in fact attacked us, and that he tried to harbour Al-Qaeda. A totally pointless and illegal war in a dreadful part of the world that wasn't worth one drop of any British serviceman's blood.

Bang on the money (excuse the pun) dapiackle :-)

What we ALL need to stop doing is believing what politicians say without question. What we ALL need to start doing is searching below the superficial stories that are printed in the media about why we should invade or attack other countries around the World. Then, when we have used our Brain to THINK and understand the REAL reasons we can then chose to either agree or disagree with those REAL reasons for what is being done in our name. Can anyone tell me why the Taliban were invited to Washington to discuss deals/contracts etc to run Gas and Oil pipes through Afghanistan if they were at that time, so unacceptable to the West? Guess what happened to Afghanistan a short period of time after the Taliban refused to do the deals with the major Energy Corporations re the pipelines? Why is the American Government trying it's damnedest to overthrow the Democratically elected president of Venezuela? Could it be something to do with Chavez trying to sell Oil based on the strength of the Euro instead of the Dollar? What's the real reason that threats are being made to attack Iran? Could it be something to do with Iran trying to sell Oil based on the strength of the Euro instead of the Dollar as opposed to another threat of WMD? Also, investigate what Saddam Hussein did as regards selling Oil based on the Euro and not the Dollar? Still haven't found those WMD's that threatened the West have we? Oh, and you might as well check on Tony Blair's ex-mate Gaddafi regarding Oil and the ditching of the Dollar. At the end of your investigations you might agree or disagree as to why we had to go to War, it's up to you -it's a free country, unless of course the American Government doesn't agree with you. The important thing is this: at least you should have reduced the amount of brainwashing and propaganda that is controlling your thoughtsand be basing your support -or otherwise- for these Wars/Conflicts armed with more information. Here is something to help you on your way: The end of the Dollar by Ron Paul www.lewrockwell.com/ paul/paul303.html

The thing is Lonnie, there is a big difference between questioning an 'illegal war' with a Country and 'defending/praising' their dictator. Yes, there are issues surrounding our involvement in the war against Iraq and the claims of WMD, as well as financing the purchase of weapons etc. However, there is absolutely no doubt that Hussein was guilty of war crimes against his own people and those in neighbouring countries. As such, I still do not understand why people such as Galloway put this man on a pedestal. He was, after all, a vile criminal, irrespective of whether it was our responsibility to capture/trial him..!
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This has obviously been made worse by the subsequent capture, trial and execution of Hussein. Some of his 'followers' are now treating him as a modern day Martyr and he is certainly not one of those.
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Let's be brutally honest about this. Galloway ONLY won his seat because of his views against the war on Iraq and his own opinion of Hussein. Had he been contesting the seat in a non-Asian community, he wouldn't have got anywhere near the number of votes that he did. Had he been running for the seat in Bradford South (for example), we wouldn't be having this debate.
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As for his 'spin' above, I will believe it when I see it. If he can find wealthy backers that can take Bradford City forward and those backers are legit, I am all for it. As long as it isn't his 'dirty' money being invested, I don't see why others are against it. Surely progression is .... progression?

Garth Bulb wrote:
Galloway spouts about saving City and Bulls. What has he contributed so far, other than gob!? He has proved that he can brainwash a noisy minority however the silent majority are fortunately awakening!

Dale Martin wrote:

flashdonut wrote:

lonniejockstrap wrote:

nowt fresh wrote:

dapiackle wrote:

murphyslaw wrote: LET ME REMIND PEOPLE OUR YOUNG LADS HAVE GIVEN THEIR LIVES FOR OUR COUNTRY AND THIS **** SHOOK THE HAND OF THE DESPOT RESPONSIBLE.

The despots responsible for the Iraq war were Mr. Blair & Bush and their cronies, unless I missed something and there were in fact WMDs in Iraq and Saddam (installed and funded by the West, just like the Taliban) had in fact attacked us, and that he tried to harbour Al-Qaeda. A totally pointless and illegal war in a dreadful part of the world that wasn't worth one drop of any British serviceman's blood.

Bang on the money (excuse the pun) dapiackle :-)

What we ALL need to stop doing is believing what politicians say without question. What we ALL need to start doing is searching below the superficial stories that are printed in the media about why we should invade or attack other countries around the World. Then, when we have used our Brain to THINK and understand the REAL reasons we can then chose to either agree or disagree with those REAL reasons for what is being done in our name.

Can anyone tell me why the Taliban were invited to Washington to discuss deals/contracts etc to run Gas and Oil pipes through Afghanistan if they were at that time, so unacceptable to the West?
Guess what happened to Afghanistan a short period of time after the Taliban refused to do the deals with the major Energy Corporations re the pipelines?

Why is the American Government trying it's damnedest to overthrow the Democratically elected president of Venezuela? Could it be something to do with Chavez trying to sell Oil based on the strength of the Euro instead of the Dollar?

What's the real reason that threats are being made to attack Iran? Could it be something to do with Iran trying to sell Oil based on the strength of the Euro instead of the Dollar as opposed to another threat of WMD?

Also, investigate what Saddam Hussein did as regards selling Oil based on the Euro and not the Dollar? Still haven't found those WMD's that threatened the West have we? Oh, and you might as well check on Tony Blair's ex-mate Gaddafi regarding Oil and the ditching of the Dollar.

At the end of your investigations you might agree or disagree as to why we had to go to War, it's up to you -it's a free country, unless of course the American Government doesn't agree with you. The important thing is this: at least you should have reduced the amount of brainwashing and propaganda that is controlling your thoughtsand be basing your support -or otherwise- for these Wars/Conflicts armed with more information.

Here is something to help you on your way:

The end of the Dollar by Ron Paul www.lewrockwell.com/



paul/paul303.html

What the?
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Bit too deep for most folk. I just want to win the Challenge Cup again.
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Wemberleeeeeey, Wemberleeeeeey, we're the famous Bradford Bulls and we're going to Wemberleeeeeeeey.

It`s frightening how such a large majority of society has been brainwashed and dumbed down into sheepish unquestioning obedience.

Our government spends tens of billions of our money on insane wars generated by lies and it`s too deep for you, millions die in these wars, thousands of them our own soldiers and sent there for what?,,,, and its too deep for you, we are shaping a world that is moving toward its own destruction which will affect you, your family and all around,,,, but it`s too deep for you, too deep for you, too deep for you,,,, ad infinitum.

Except of course "the famous Bradford Bulls", there will be no limit to the depth you plunge yourself into with that one, even though whether they win or lose, survive the financial problems or collapse and disappear it will in the end make absolutely no real or tangible difference to your life at all, just a game of sport that determines nothing, changes nothing and means in the end ultimately nothing at all,,,,, But maybe its too deep for you to understand that also.

Waynus1971 wrote:

lonniejockstrap wrote:

nowt fresh wrote:

dapiackle wrote:

murphyslaw wrote: LET ME REMIND PEOPLE OUR YOUNG LADS HAVE GIVEN THEIR LIVES FOR OUR COUNTRY AND THIS **** SHOOK THE HAND OF THE DESPOT RESPONSIBLE.

The despots responsible for the Iraq war were Mr. Blair & Bush and their cronies, unless I missed something and there were in fact WMDs in Iraq and Saddam (installed and funded by the West, just like the Taliban) had in fact attacked us, and that he tried to harbour Al-Qaeda. A totally pointless and illegal war in a dreadful part of the world that wasn't worth one drop of any British serviceman's blood.

Bang on the money (excuse the pun) dapiackle :-)

What we ALL need to stop doing is believing what politicians say without question. What we ALL need to start doing is searching below the superficial stories that are printed in the media about why we should invade or attack other countries around the World. Then, when we have used our Brain to THINK and understand the REAL reasons we can then chose to either agree or disagree with those REAL reasons for what is being done in our name. Can anyone tell me why the Taliban were invited to Washington to discuss deals/contracts etc to run Gas and Oil pipes through Afghanistan if they were at that time, so unacceptable to the West? Guess what happened to Afghanistan a short period of time after the Taliban refused to do the deals with the major Energy Corporations re the pipelines? Why is the American Government trying it's damnedest to overthrow the Democratically elected president of Venezuela? Could it be something to do with Chavez trying to sell Oil based on the strength of the Euro instead of the Dollar? What's the real reason that threats are being made to attack Iran? Could it be something to do with Iran trying to sell Oil based on the strength of the Euro instead of the Dollar as opposed to another threat of WMD? Also, investigate what Saddam Hussein did as regards selling Oil based on the Euro and not the Dollar? Still haven't found those WMD's that threatened the West have we? Oh, and you might as well check on Tony Blair's ex-mate Gaddafi regarding Oil and the ditching of the Dollar. At the end of your investigations you might agree or disagree as to why we had to go to War, it's up to you -it's a free country, unless of course the American Government doesn't agree with you. The important thing is this: at least you should have reduced the amount of brainwashing and propaganda that is controlling your thoughtsand be basing your support -or otherwise- for these Wars/Conflicts armed with more information. Here is something to help you on your way: The end of the Dollar by Ron Paul www.lewrockwell.com/ paul/paul303.html

The thing is Lonnie, there is a big difference between questioning an 'illegal war' with a Country and 'defending/praising' their dictator. Yes, there are issues surrounding our involvement in the war against Iraq and the claims of WMD, as well as financing the purchase of weapons etc. However, there is absolutely no doubt that Hussein was guilty of war crimes against his own people and those in neighbouring countries. As such, I still do not understand why people such as Galloway put this man on a pedestal. He was, after all, a vile criminal, irrespective of whether it was our responsibility to capture/trial him..! . This has obviously been made worse by the subsequent capture, trial and execution of Hussein. Some of his 'followers' are now treating him as a modern day Martyr and he is certainly not one of those. . Let's be brutally honest about this. Galloway ONLY won his seat because of his views against the war on Iraq and his own opinion of Hussein. Had he been contesting the seat in a non-Asian community, he wouldn't have got anywhere near the number of votes that he did. Had he been running for the seat in Bradford South (for example), we wouldn't be having this debate. . As for his 'spin' above, I will believe it when I see it. If he can find wealthy backers that can take Bradford City forward and those backers are legit, I am all for it. As long as it isn't his 'dirty' money being invested, I don't see why others are against it. Surely progression is .... progression?

hollymae wrote:

Grandad final wrote: "politician’s rhetoric" well any publicity is good publicity eh? Would that be the Blackburn Bulls then? Question: One James2Odsal on RLFANS.com or a big wad of notes from George and his mob? I know where my money is going and my head is held high....COME ON JAMES and COYB!!!! PS IF GG REALLY DOES WANT TO HELP THEN DROP HALF A MILLION IN USED NOTES IN AN ENVELOPE AND POP IT ANON INTO THE OFFICE ASAP AND STOP TRYING TO BUY US COS IT DUNT WORK!

Grandad Final - whats the James2odsl all about - somebody else has mentioned this to me today...enlighten me please!!

roofie321 wrote:
Remember this is the bloke that during his campaign said he didn't drink and when he won the election put on twitter it was great winning and representing Blackburn

Grandad final wrote:

hollymae wrote:

Grandad final wrote: "politician’s rhetoric" well any publicity is good publicity eh? Would that be the Blackburn Bulls then? Question: One James2Odsal on RLFANS.com or a big wad of notes from George and his mob? I know where my money is going and my head is held high....COME ON JAMES and COYB!!!! PS IF GG REALLY DOES WANT TO HELP THEN DROP HALF A MILLION IN USED NOTES IN AN ENVELOPE AND POP IT ANON INTO THE OFFICE ASAP AND STOP TRYING TO BUY US COS IT DUNT WORK!

Grandad Final - whats the James2odsl all about - somebody else has mentioned this to me today...enlighten me please!!

Hi Hollymae. Go here: http://forums.rlfans .com/viewtopic.php?t smp=1334310279&f
=19& t=524674&sid=de7
41b6 d2433895fd7751d2d7f1 341b1 He's a downs syndrome lad who lives in the North East. He like us love his Bulls and is preparing to walk the 150+ miles from his home to Bradford to raise the rest of the money we need and I think it's going to be BIG...even the Rhino's are getting involved. He has already plenty of support in his home Town and they don't even support rugby league..Have a read! If GG walks all the way with him I'll consider voting for him ;-) and then we'll know it's not all just p and wind to get around us in his stocking feet for votes won't we. COYB

mark04 wrote:

Onebrianmitchell wrote: Four rules in life. Never trust a man who; A) has a beard B) doesn't drink C) doesn't like footy D) wears white socks He ticks a few of those boxes.

So does Jesus Christ.

Garth Bulb wrote:
In response mark04, Mr Galloway is a little fish and Bradford is a big pond! I hope he can back up his mouth for the sake of our beloved City.His cheap talk and bonding sessions with Saddam Hussain beggar me to believe what kind of Bradfordian would elect him?

bettyswollocks wrote:

Waynus1971 wrote:

lonniejockstrap wrote:

nowt fresh wrote:

dapiackle wrote:

murphyslaw wrote: LET ME REMIND PEOPLE OUR YOUNG LADS HAVE GIVEN THEIR LIVES FOR OUR COUNTRY AND THIS **** SHOOK THE HAND OF THE DESPOT RESPONSIBLE.

The despots responsible for the Iraq war were Mr. Blair & Bush and their cronies, unless I missed something and there were in fact WMDs in Iraq and Saddam (installed and funded by the West, just like the Taliban) had in fact attacked us, and that he tried to harbour Al-Qaeda. A totally pointless and illegal war in a dreadful part of the world that wasn't worth one drop of any British serviceman's blood.

Bang on the money (excuse the pun) dapiackle :-)

What we ALL need to stop doing is believing what politicians say without question. What we ALL need to start doing is searching below the superficial stories that are printed in the media about why we should invade or attack other countries around the World. Then, when we have used our Brain to THINK and understand the REAL reasons we can then chose to either agree or disagree with those REAL reasons for what is being done in our name. Can anyone tell me why the Taliban were invited to Washington to discuss deals/contracts etc to run Gas and Oil pipes through Afghanistan if they were at that time, so unacceptable to the West? Guess what happened to Afghanistan a short period of time after the Taliban refused to do the deals with the major Energy Corporations re the pipelines? Why is the American Government trying it's damnedest to overthrow the Democratically elected president of Venezuela? Could it be something to do with Chavez trying to sell Oil based on the strength of the Euro instead of the Dollar? What's the real reason that threats are being made to attack Iran? Could it be something to do with Iran trying to sell Oil based on the strength of the Euro instead of the Dollar as opposed to another threat of WMD? Also, investigate what Saddam Hussein did as regards selling Oil based on the Euro and not the Dollar? Still haven't found those WMD's that threatened the West have we? Oh, and you might as well check on Tony Blair's ex-mate Gaddafi regarding Oil and the ditching of the Dollar. At the end of your investigations you might agree or disagree as to why we had to go to War, it's up to you -it's a free country, unless of course the American Government doesn't agree with you. The important thing is this: at least you should have reduced the amount of brainwashing and propaganda that is controlling your thoughtsand be basing your support -or otherwise- for these Wars/Conflicts armed with more information. Here is something to help you on your way: The end of the Dollar by Ron Paul www.lewrockwell.com/ paul/paul303.html

The thing is Lonnie, there is a big difference between questioning an 'illegal war' with a Country and 'defending/praising' their dictator. Yes, there are issues surrounding our involvement in the war against Iraq and the claims of WMD, as well as financing the purchase of weapons etc. However, there is absolutely no doubt that Hussein was guilty of war crimes against his own people and those in neighbouring countries. As such, I still do not understand why people such as Galloway put this man on a pedestal. He was, after all, a vile criminal, irrespective of whether it was our responsibility to capture/trial him..! . This has obviously been made worse by the subsequent capture, trial and execution of Hussein. Some of his 'followers' are now treating him as a modern day Martyr and he is certainly not one of those. . Let's be brutally honest about this. Galloway ONLY won his seat because of his views against the war on Iraq and his own opinion of Hussein. Had he been contesting the seat in a non-Asian community, he wouldn't have got anywhere near the number of votes that he did. Had he been running for the seat in Bradford South (for example), we wouldn't be having this debate. . As for his 'spin' above, I will believe it when I see it. If he can find wealthy backers that can take Bradford City forward and those backers are legit, I am all for it. As long as it isn't his 'dirty' money being invested, I don't see why others are against it. Surely progression is .... progression?

Correct - and you only have to look at the state of the areas the people who voted him in live in to see the irony of it.

'Respect' party voted in by the section of society with the least respect for themselves, other people or their surroundings.

It's not really worth arguing the point because like all Galloway's other promises, it'll come to nothing. Still, it's given us some entertainment for a day or two!

speakeroftruth wrote:
I have no problem with the mans religion at all.But I do think he changed his religion for votes but at the end of the dayu he is the only person who has so far expressed his desire apart from caisley to put funds but we saw what happened in the club when caisley was last in charge...

Waynus1971 wrote:

lonniejockstrap wrote:

nowt fresh wrote:

dapiackle wrote:

murphyslaw wrote: LET ME REMIND PEOPLE OUR YOUNG LADS HAVE GIVEN THEIR LIVES FOR OUR COUNTRY AND THIS **** SHOOK THE HAND OF THE DESPOT RESPONSIBLE.

The despots responsible for the Iraq war were Mr. Blair & Bush and their cronies, unless I missed something and there were in fact WMDs in Iraq and Saddam (installed and funded by the West, just like the Taliban) had in fact attacked us, and that he tried to harbour Al-Qaeda. A totally pointless and illegal war in a dreadful part of the world that wasn't worth one drop of any British serviceman's blood.

Bang on the money (excuse the pun) dapiackle :-)

What we ALL need to stop doing is believing what politicians say without question. What we ALL need to start doing is searching below the superficial stories that are printed in the media about why we should invade or attack other countries around the World. Then, when we have used our Brain to THINK and understand the REAL reasons we can then chose to either agree or disagree with those REAL reasons for what is being done in our name. Can anyone tell me why the Taliban were invited to Washington to discuss deals/contracts etc to run Gas and Oil pipes through Afghanistan if they were at that time, so unacceptable to the West? Guess what happened to Afghanistan a short period of time after the Taliban refused to do the deals with the major Energy Corporations re the pipelines? Why is the American Government trying it's damnedest to overthrow the Democratically elected president of Venezuela? Could it be something to do with Chavez trying to sell Oil based on the strength of the Euro instead of the Dollar? What's the real reason that threats are being made to attack Iran? Could it be something to do with Iran trying to sell Oil based on the strength of the Euro instead of the Dollar as opposed to another threat of WMD? Also, investigate what Saddam Hussein did as regards selling Oil based on the Euro and not the Dollar? Still haven't found those WMD's that threatened the West have we? Oh, and you might as well check on Tony Blair's ex-mate Gaddafi regarding Oil and the ditching of the Dollar. At the end of your investigations you might agree or disagree as to why we had to go to War, it's up to you -it's a free country, unless of course the American Government doesn't agree with you. The important thing is this: at least you should have reduced the amount of brainwashing and propaganda that is controlling your thoughtsand be basing your support -or otherwise- for these Wars/Conflicts armed with more information. Here is something to help you on your way: The end of the Dollar by Ron Paul www.lewrockwell.com/ paul/paul303.html

The thing is Lonnie, there is a big difference between questioning an 'illegal war' with a Country and 'defending/praising' their dictator. Yes, there are issues surrounding our involvement in the war against Iraq and the claims of WMD, as well as financing the purchase of weapons etc. However, there is absolutely no doubt that Hussein was guilty of war crimes against his own people and those in neighbouring countries. As such, I still do not understand why people such as Galloway put this man on a pedestal. He was, after all, a vile criminal, irrespective of whether it was our responsibility to capture/trial him..!
.
This has obviously been made worse by the subsequent capture, trial and execution of Hussein. Some of his 'followers' are now treating him as a modern day Martyr and he is certainly not one of those.
.
Let's be brutally honest about this. Galloway ONLY won his seat because of his views against the war on Iraq and his own opinion of Hussein. Had he been contesting the seat in a non-Asian community, he wouldn't have got anywhere near the number of votes that he did. Had he been running for the seat in Bradford South (for example), we wouldn't be having this debate.
.
As for his 'spin' above, I will believe it when I see it. If he can find wealthy backers that can take Bradford City forward and those backers are legit, I am all for it. As long as it isn't his 'dirty' money being invested, I don't see why others are against it. Surely progression is .... progression?

mid_northern wrote:

Waynus1971 wrote:

lonniejockstrap wrote:

nowt fresh wrote:

dapiackle wrote:

murphyslaw wrote: LET ME REMIND PEOPLE OUR YOUNG LADS HAVE GIVEN THEIR LIVES FOR OUR COUNTRY AND THIS **** SHOOK THE HAND OF THE DESPOT RESPONSIBLE.

The despots responsible for the Iraq war were Mr. Blair & Bush and their cronies, unless I missed something and there were in fact WMDs in Iraq and Saddam (installed and funded by the West, just like the Taliban) had in fact attacked us, and that he tried to harbour Al-Qaeda. A totally pointless and illegal war in a dreadful part of the world that wasn't worth one drop of any British serviceman's blood.

Bang on the money (excuse the pun) dapiackle :-)

What we ALL need to stop doing is believing what politicians say without question. What we ALL need to start doing is searching below the superficial stories that are printed in the media about why we should invade or attack other countries around the World. Then, when we have used our Brain to THINK and understand the REAL reasons we can then chose to either agree or disagree with those REAL reasons for what is being done in our name. Can anyone tell me why the Taliban were invited to Washington to discuss deals/contracts etc to run Gas and Oil pipes through Afghanistan if they were at that time, so unacceptable to the West? Guess what happened to Afghanistan a short period of time after the Taliban refused to do the deals with the major Energy Corporations re the pipelines? Why is the American Government trying it's damnedest to overthrow the Democratically elected president of Venezuela? Could it be something to do with Chavez trying to sell Oil based on the strength of the Euro instead of the Dollar? What's the real reason that threats are being made to attack Iran? Could it be something to do with Iran trying to sell Oil based on the strength of the Euro instead of the Dollar as opposed to another threat of WMD? Also, investigate what Saddam Hussein did as regards selling Oil based on the Euro and not the Dollar? Still haven't found those WMD's that threatened the West have we? Oh, and you might as well check on Tony Blair's ex-mate Gaddafi regarding Oil and the ditching of the Dollar. At the end of your investigations you might agree or disagree as to why we had to go to War, it's up to you -it's a free country, unless of course the American Government doesn't agree with you. The important thing is this: at least you should have reduced the amount of brainwashing and propaganda that is controlling your thoughtsand be basing your support -or otherwise- for these Wars/Conflicts armed with more information. Here is something to help you on your way: The end of the Dollar by Ron Paul www.lewrockwell.com/ paul/paul303.html

The thing is Lonnie, there is a big difference between questioning an 'illegal war' with a Country and 'defending/praising' their dictator. Yes, there are issues surrounding our involvement in the war against Iraq and the claims of WMD, as well as financing the purchase of weapons etc. However, there is absolutely no doubt that Hussein was guilty of war crimes against his own people and those in neighbouring countries. As such, I still do not understand why people such as Galloway put this man on a pedestal. He was, after all, a vile criminal, irrespective of whether it was our responsibility to capture/trial him..!
.
This has obviously been made worse by the subsequent capture, trial and execution of Hussein. Some of his 'followers' are now treating him as a modern day Martyr and he is certainly not one of those.
.
Let's be brutally honest about this. Galloway ONLY won his seat because of his views against the war on Iraq and his own opinion of Hussein. Had he been contesting the seat in a non-Asian community, he wouldn't have got anywhere near the number of votes that he did. Had he been running for the seat in Bradford South (for example), we wouldn't be having this debate.
.
As for his 'spin' above, I will believe it when I see it. If he can find wealthy backers that can take Bradford City forward and those backers are legit, I am all for it. As long as it isn't his 'dirty' money being invested, I don't see why others are against it. Surely progression is .... progression?

Galloway did not put Saddam "on a pedastal" ... he opposed the vile, illegal war that was unleashed upon the people of Iraq for the greed and profit of the rich and powerful in *our* countries.

Berore that he also opposed the sanctions that punished a whole population and caused over a million deaths is not the same as supporting the regime in Iraq.

George Galloway never supported the Saddam Hussein regime and it is a lie to say that he did. It is on public record that he opposed it.

koparmy wrote:
Welcome George. This city has been run by a bunch of useless politicians for all too long, barely any of them have bothered about events at Valley Parade or anywhere outside their own tiny powerbases. GG is at least trying, so lets give him the benefit of the doubt.

But no, the half-baked self-appointed 'silent majority' (what a laugh that phrase is, do you tell yourselves that whilst sat on the bar stool?) have hijacked the thread.

Bradford is rubbished, entire communities abused, is this the way forward? Is it any wonder we are going down the plug hole in this city when we have such self-haters as is epitomised on this site? The existing politicians have hardly served this city well have they? George might be just exactly what we need.

Babbsy wrote:
What is up with people? We have incompetent people at the top at both Valley Parade and Odsal, and people are turning their noses up at potential club transforming amounts of money that could see both re-emerge as forces in their respective sports after years of decline. I was far from Mr Galloway's biggest fan, but if he can help bring an end to the last 11 years of misery I've had to endure at Valley Parade he'll get my vote for the next ten years. If he can help bring to an end the 11 year disgrace that have also been Westfield and the Odeon too he'll get my vote for life and I'll also end up loving this man. he's high profile and he's the only person who's walked into this City in a decade who's wanted to change it's prospects rather than either sweeping the problems under the carpet, or leaving at the first available opportunity. We can only hope all this promise won't prove to be a false dawn, but ath the moment the mere fact that the disgrace that is Westfied and the Odeon are now in the National concious, which is more than has happend in all that time. The Country usually just closes it's eyes and pretends Bradford isn't there usually.

dapiackle wrote:

murphyslaw wrote:
LET ME REMIND PEOPLE OUR YOUNG LADS HAVE GIVEN THEIR LIVES FOR OUR COUNTRY AND THIS **** SHOOK THE HAND OF THE DESPOT RESPONSIBLE.

The despots responsible for the Iraq war were Mr. Blair & Bush and their cronies, unless I missed something and there were in fact WMDs in Iraq and Saddam (installed and funded by the West, just like the Taliban) had in fact attacked us, and that he tried to harbour Al-Qaeda. A totally pointless and illegal war in a dreadful part of the world that wasn't worth one drop of any British serviceman's blood.

still got a pulse wrote:

Babbsy wrote:
What is up with people? We have incompetent people at the top at both Valley Parade and Odsal, and people are turning their noses up at potential club transforming amounts of money that could see both re-emerge as forces in their respective sports after years of decline. I was far from Mr Galloway's biggest fan, but if he can help bring an end to the last 11 years of misery I've had to endure at Valley Parade he'll get my vote for the next ten years. If he can help bring to an end the 11 year disgrace that have also been Westfield and the Odeon too he'll get my vote for life and I'll also end up loving this man. he's high profile and he's the only person who's walked into this City in a decade who's wanted to change it's prospects rather than either sweeping the problems under the carpet, or leaving at the first available opportunity. We can only hope all this promise won't prove to be a false dawn, but ath the moment the mere fact that the disgrace that is Westfied and the Odeon are now in the National concious, which is more than has happend in all that time. The Country usually just closes it's eyes and pretends Bradford isn't there usually.

Couldn't have put it better myself!!

roosonian wrote:

dapiackle wrote:

murphyslaw wrote:
LET ME REMIND PEOPLE OUR YOUNG LADS HAVE GIVEN THEIR LIVES FOR OUR COUNTRY AND THIS **** SHOOK THE HAND OF THE DESPOT RESPONSIBLE.

The despots responsible for the Iraq war were Mr. Blair & Bush and their cronies, unless I missed something and there were in fact WMDs in Iraq and Saddam (installed and funded by the West, just like the Taliban) had in fact attacked us, and that he tried to harbour Al-Qaeda. A totally pointless and illegal war in a dreadful part of the world that wasn't worth one drop of any British serviceman's blood.

Illegal or not,do you want to tell all the Mothers,Fathers,Brot

hers,Sisters,Wives and Children that our Fallen HERO,S died for nothing. Keep gallaway and his friends AWAY from our club

roosonian wrote:

dapiackle wrote:

murphyslaw wrote:
LET ME REMIND PEOPLE OUR YOUNG LADS HAVE GIVEN THEIR LIVES FOR OUR COUNTRY AND THIS **** SHOOK THE HAND OF THE DESPOT RESPONSIBLE.

The despots responsible for the Iraq war were Mr. Blair & Bush and their cronies, unless I missed something and there were in fact WMDs in Iraq and Saddam (installed and funded by the West, just like the Taliban) had in fact attacked us, and that he tried to harbour Al-Qaeda. A totally pointless and illegal war in a dreadful part of the world that wasn't worth one drop of any British serviceman's blood.

Illegal or not,do you want to tell all the Mothers,Fathers,Brot

hers,Sisters,Wives and Children that our Fallen HERO,S died for nothing. Keep gallaway and his friends AWAY from our club

Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:
We just don't want GG using our club for his political agenda, same as he has used the anti-war campaign and other headline grabbers to gain votes. Come back in two years when he has forgotten about Bradford and tell me how much you support him.

I'm a 40 year supporter of Bradford City and this is not my wish. I wish for us to play our way up, not buy it and I wouldn't want oil stained cash at any cost.

roosonian wrote:

dapiackle wrote:

murphyslaw wrote:
LET ME REMIND PEOPLE OUR YOUNG LADS HAVE GIVEN THEIR LIVES FOR OUR COUNTRY AND THIS **** SHOOK THE HAND OF THE DESPOT RESPONSIBLE.

The despots responsible for the Iraq war were Mr. Blair & Bush and their cronies, unless I missed something and there were in fact WMDs in Iraq and Saddam (installed and funded by the West, just like the Taliban) had in fact attacked us, and that he tried to harbour Al-Qaeda. A totally pointless and illegal war in a dreadful part of the world that wasn't worth one drop of any British serviceman's blood.

Illegal or not,do you want to tell all the Mothers,Fathers,Brot

hers,Sisters,Wives and Children that our Fallen HERO,S died for nothing. Keep gallaway and his friends AWAY from our club

Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:
If you want to open the door to politics and football then do so but I can tell you that the sway on football terraces is a darn sight more to the right than anyone who posts on here. Just because bananas and monkey chants are not prevalent doesn't mean it isn't there.

So good luck with that, Bradford is one of the few tolerant places left but I wouldn't count the contents of VP on a Saturday as very tolerant. About anything.

Oliver Hardy wrote:
I wonder all these idiots opposing GG would say the same if for example someone from the BNP came along and said exactly what Galloway is saying?
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It's amazing how all the racist and anti-Muslim sentiment comes out from certain posters.
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You make the civilised sick, you sad, vile b@stards.

Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:
We just don't want GG using our club for his political agenda, same as he has used the anti-war campaign and other headline grabbers to gain votes. Come back in two years when he has forgotten about Bradford and tell me how much you support him.

I'm a 40 year supporter of Bradford City and this is not my wish. I wish for us to play our way up, not buy it and I wouldn't want oil stained cash at any cost.

Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:
Don't agree with any of it lonnie and don't believe many words I'm told. I have a mistrust and hatred for most and America and Americans come pretty close to the top of that list.

I'm a jumpers for goalposts sort of bloke I don't want my club being used as anything other than a football club. It's bad enough as it is without a reflected spotlight from a political vehicle.

I'd like to think that there is a certain amount of honesty and integrity in the lower leagues and if the money down here is tainted it is with diluted oil money rather than 'pumped' directly in. Play and win your way, up, through adversity as a team and club. That's sport isn't it?


I'm off to watch my favourite player craft a glorious 'trick now, pity I have to sit through 'if you haven't played at this level' Claridge first.

bettyswollocks wrote:
I'd rather we bumbled along near the bottom of League 2 than become a vehicle for some middle eastern despot to launder money through. Galloway is every negative stereotype you've ever heard about politicians rolled up into one. He's in it for himself and himself only, feeding his need for publicity at every turn. I'm just glad I'm not in his constituency.

lonniejockstrap wrote:

Waynus1971 wrote:

lonniejockstrap wrote:

nowt fresh wrote:

dapiackle wrote:

murphyslaw wrote: LET ME REMIND PEOPLE OUR YOUNG LADS HAVE GIVEN THEIR LIVES FOR OUR COUNTRY AND THIS **** SHOOK THE HAND OF THE DESPOT RESPONSIBLE.

The despots responsible for the Iraq war were Mr. Blair & Bush and their cronies, unless I missed something and there were in fact WMDs in Iraq and Saddam (installed and funded by the West, just like the Taliban) had in fact attacked us, and that he tried to harbour Al-Qaeda. A totally pointless and illegal war in a dreadful part of the world that wasn't worth one drop of any British serviceman's blood.

Bang on the money (excuse the pun) dapiackle :-)

What we ALL need to stop doing is believing what politicians say without question. What we ALL need to start doing is searching below the superficial stories that are printed in the media about why we should invade or attack other countries around the World. Then, when we have used our Brain to THINK and understand the REAL reasons we can then chose to either agree or disagree with those REAL reasons for what is being done in our name. Can anyone tell me why the Taliban were invited to Washington to discuss deals/contracts etc to run Gas and Oil pipes through Afghanistan if they were at that time, so unacceptable to the West? Guess what happened to Afghanistan a short period of time after the Taliban refused to do the deals with the major Energy Corporations re the pipelines? Why is the American Government trying it's damnedest to overthrow the Democratically elected president of Venezuela? Could it be something to do with Chavez trying to sell Oil based on the strength of the Euro instead of the Dollar? What's the real reason that threats are being made to attack Iran? Could it be something to do with Iran trying to sell Oil based on the strength of the Euro instead of the Dollar as opposed to another threat of WMD? Also, investigate what Saddam Hussein did as regards selling Oil based on the Euro and not the Dollar? Still haven't found those WMD's that threatened the West have we? Oh, and you might as well check on Tony Blair's ex-mate Gaddafi regarding Oil and the ditching of the Dollar. At the end of your investigations you might agree or disagree as to why we had to go to War, it's up to you -it's a free country, unless of course the American Government doesn't agree with you. The important thing is this: at least you should have reduced the amount of brainwashing and propaganda that is controlling your thoughtsand be basing your support -or otherwise- for these Wars/Conflicts armed with more information. Here is something to help you on your way: The end of the Dollar by Ron Paul www.lewrockwell.com/ paul/paul303.html

The thing is Lonnie, there is a big difference between questioning an 'illegal war' with a Country and 'defending/praising' their dictator. Yes, there are issues surrounding our involvement in the war against Iraq and the claims of WMD, as well as financing the purchase of weapons etc. However, there is absolutely no doubt that Hussein was guilty of war crimes against his own people and those in neighbouring countries. As such, I still do not understand why people such as Galloway put this man on a pedestal. He was, after all, a vile criminal, irrespective of whether it was our responsibility to capture/trial him..! . This has obviously been made worse by the subsequent capture, trial and execution of Hussein. Some of his 'followers' are now treating him as a modern day Martyr and he is certainly not one of those. . Let's be brutally honest about this. Galloway ONLY won his seat because of his views against the war on Iraq and his own opinion of Hussein. Had he been contesting the seat in a non-Asian community, he wouldn't have got anywhere near the number of votes that he did. Had he been running for the seat in Bradford South (for example), we wouldn't be having this debate. . As for his 'spin' above, I will believe it when I see it. If he can find wealthy backers that can take Bradford City forward and those backers are legit, I am all for it. As long as it isn't his 'dirty' money being invested, I don't see why others are against it. Surely progression is .... progression?

Waynus the '''dirty' money'' you refer to NEVER actually existed it was the type of propaganda I was relating to above and you have absorbed this and ,unfortunately, taken it as a truth. Be careful, George has already successfully sued the Daily Telegraph for defamation over this so I wouldn't repeat the lie if I was you. It wasn't GG who provided Saddam with the weapons and the Gas he used to commit these 'war crimes' that you refer to waynus. It wasn't GG who helped Iraq with weapons to aid the slaughter during the Iran Iraq war either. Again, I am not arguing the case of what was right or wrong, I am simply asking you to put some effort into finding out what the REAL or TRUE reasons and/or facts are. IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH ps you might find 'George Galloway Vs The US Senate' on youtube enlightening.

Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:
H8E US tis you who is the bulb, you cannot have a discussion involving gorgeous George( I assume this is a p1ss take as he looks like a tramp) without mentioning his foreign allegiances. As with many other football clubs foreign investment tends to be shady at best, criminal at worst. This, if it were ever to come off, praise be to McCall it doesn't, the club would be very visible and likely to be subject to 'proper persons' testing and GG would fall at this hurdle as I don't think Hamas' investment would be welcomed by the FL. Do us a favour, get involved in something you know and leave us middle-class white folk, RESPECT party line for their W Bradford victory, to our national sport. Kabbadi anyone?

Waynus1971 wrote:

lonniejockstrap wrote:

Waynus1971 wrote:

lonniejockstrap wrote:

nowt fresh wrote:

dapiackle wrote:

murphyslaw wrote: LET ME REMIND PEOPLE OUR YOUNG LADS HAVE GIVEN THEIR LIVES FOR OUR COUNTRY AND THIS **** SHOOK THE HAND OF THE DESPOT RESPONSIBLE.

The despots responsible for the Iraq war were Mr. Blair & Bush and their cronies, unless I missed something and there were in fact WMDs in Iraq and Saddam (installed and funded by the West, just like the Taliban) had in fact attacked us, and that he tried to harbour Al-Qaeda. A totally pointless and illegal war in a dreadful part of the world that wasn't worth one drop of any British serviceman's blood.

Bang on the money (excuse the pun) dapiackle :-)

What we ALL need to stop doing is believing what politicians say without question. What we ALL need to start doing is searching below the superficial stories that are printed in the media about why we should invade or attack other countries around the World. Then, when we have used our Brain to THINK and understand the REAL reasons we can then chose to either agree or disagree with those REAL reasons for what is being done in our name. Can anyone tell me why the Taliban were invited to Washington to discuss deals/contracts etc to run Gas and Oil pipes through Afghanistan if they were at that time, so unacceptable to the West? Guess what happened to Afghanistan a short period of time after the Taliban refused to do the deals with the major Energy Corporations re the pipelines? Why is the American Government trying it's damnedest to overthrow the Democratically elected president of Venezuela? Could it be something to do with Chavez trying to sell Oil based on the strength of the Euro instead of the Dollar? What's the real reason that threats are being made to attack Iran? Could it be something to do with Iran trying to sell Oil based on the strength of the Euro instead of the Dollar as opposed to another threat of WMD? Also, investigate what Saddam Hussein did as regards selling Oil based on the Euro and not the Dollar? Still haven't found those WMD's that threatened the West have we? Oh, and you might as well check on Tony Blair's ex-mate Gaddafi regarding Oil and the ditching of the Dollar. At the end of your investigations you might agree or disagree as to why we had to go to War, it's up to you -it's a free country, unless of course the American Government doesn't agree with you. The important thing is this: at least you should have reduced the amount of brainwashing and propaganda that is controlling your thoughtsand be basing your support -or otherwise- for these Wars/Conflicts armed with more information. Here is something to help you on your way: The end of the Dollar by Ron Paul www.lewrockwell.com/ paul/paul303.html

The thing is Lonnie, there is a big difference between questioning an 'illegal war' with a Country and 'defending/praising' their dictator. Yes, there are issues surrounding our involvement in the war against Iraq and the claims of WMD, as well as financing the purchase of weapons etc. However, there is absolutely no doubt that Hussein was guilty of war crimes against his own people and those in neighbouring countries. As such, I still do not understand why people such as Galloway put this man on a pedestal. He was, after all, a vile criminal, irrespective of whether it was our responsibility to capture/trial him..! . This has obviously been made worse by the subsequent capture, trial and execution of Hussein. Some of his 'followers' are now treating him as a modern day Martyr and he is certainly not one of those. . Let's be brutally honest about this. Galloway ONLY won his seat because of his views against the war on Iraq and his own opinion of Hussein. Had he been contesting the seat in a non-Asian community, he wouldn't have got anywhere near the number of votes that he did. Had he been running for the seat in Bradford South (for example), we wouldn't be having this debate. . As for his 'spin' above, I will believe it when I see it. If he can find wealthy backers that can take Bradford City forward and those backers are legit, I am all for it. As long as it isn't his 'dirty' money being invested, I don't see why others are against it. Surely progression is .... progression?

Waynus the '''dirty' money'' you refer to NEVER actually existed it was the type of propaganda I was relating to above and you have absorbed this and ,unfortunately, taken it as a truth. Be careful, George has already successfully sued the Daily Telegraph for defamation over this so I wouldn't repeat the lie if I was you. It wasn't GG who provided Saddam with the weapons and the Gas he used to commit these 'war crimes' that you refer to waynus. It wasn't GG who helped Iraq with weapons to aid the slaughter during the Iran Iraq war either. Again, I am not arguing the case of what was right or wrong, I am simply asking you to put some effort into finding out what the REAL or TRUE reasons and/or facts are. IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH ps you might find 'George Galloway Vs The US Senate' on youtube enlightening.

Lonnie, firstly I need to clarify what I meant by 'dirty money'. I'm not suggesting that GG has 'dirty money' and that I have "absorbed this and ,unfortunately, taken it as a truth". I was merely suggesting that I wouldn't touch any of Galloway's personal money as I don't trust the bloke and wouldn't want him 'buying my vote'. That is all I meant.
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In relation to your other points, "It wasn't GG who provided Saddam with the weapons and the Gas he used to commit these 'war crimes' that you refer to waynus. It wasn't GG who helped Iraq with weapons to aid the slaughter during the Iran Iraq war either. Very true, but this article wasn't about those perpetrators was it? Had it been, my response would have been the same.
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Just because weapons were sold by our Government (and that of the USA amongst others), doesn't mean Saddam had to use them. No Saddam wasn't the only guilty party in this, but GG was still wrong to make him out to be blameless, whilst attacking those Governments.
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The fact is, they were ALL to blame, but only one of them is trying to get involved in OUR club..!

lonniejockstrap wrote:

Waynus1971 wrote:

lonniejockstrap wrote:

Waynus1971 wrote:

lonniejockstrap wrote:

nowt fresh wrote:

dapiackle wrote:

murphyslaw wrote: LET ME REMIND PEOPLE OUR YOUNG LADS HAVE GIVEN THEIR LIVES FOR OUR COUNTRY AND THIS **** SHOOK THE HAND OF THE DESPOT RESPONSIBLE.

The despots responsible for the Iraq war were Mr. Blair & Bush and their cronies, unless I missed something and there were in fact WMDs in Iraq and Saddam (installed and funded by the West, just like the Taliban) had in fact attacked us, and that he tried to harbour Al-Qaeda. A totally pointless and illegal war in a dreadful part of the world that wasn't worth one drop of any British serviceman's blood.

Bang on the money (excuse the pun) dapiackle :-)

What we ALL need to stop doing is believing what politicians say without question. What we ALL need to start doing is searching below the superficial stories that are printed in the media about why we should invade or attack other countries around the World. Then, when we have used our Brain to THINK and understand the REAL reasons we can then chose to either agree or disagree with those REAL reasons for what is being done in our name. Can anyone tell me why the Taliban were invited to Washington to discuss deals/contracts etc to run Gas and Oil pipes through Afghanistan if they were at that time, so unacceptable to the West? Guess what happened to Afghanistan a short period of time after the Taliban refused to do the deals with the major Energy Corporations re the pipelines? Why is the American Government trying it's damnedest to overthrow the Democratically elected president of Venezuela? Could it be something to do with Chavez trying to sell Oil based on the strength of the Euro instead of the Dollar? What's the real reason that threats are being made to attack Iran? Could it be something to do with Iran trying to sell Oil based on the strength of the Euro instead of the Dollar as opposed to another threat of WMD? Also, investigate what Saddam Hussein did as regards selling Oil based on the Euro and not the Dollar? Still haven't found those WMD's that threatened the West have we? Oh, and you might as well check on Tony Blair's ex-mate Gaddafi regarding Oil and the ditching of the Dollar. At the end of your investigations you might agree or disagree as to why we had to go to War, it's up to you -it's a free country, unless of course the American Government doesn't agree with you. The important thing is this: at least you should have reduced the amount of brainwashing and propaganda that is controlling your thoughtsand be basing your support -or otherwise- for these Wars/Conflicts armed with more information. Here is something to help you on your way: The end of the Dollar by Ron Paul www.lewrockwell.com/ paul/paul303.html

The thing is Lonnie, there is a big difference between questioning an 'illegal war' with a Country and 'defending/praising' their dictator. Yes, there are issues surrounding our involvement in the war against Iraq and the claims of WMD, as well as financing the purchase of weapons etc. However, there is absolutely no doubt that Hussein was guilty of war crimes against his own people and those in neighbouring countries. As such, I still do not understand why people such as Galloway put this man on a pedestal. He was, after all, a vile criminal, irrespective of whether it was our responsibility to capture/trial him..! . This has obviously been made worse by the subsequent capture, trial and execution of Hussein. Some of his 'followers' are now treating him as a modern day Martyr and he is certainly not one of those. . Let's be brutally honest about this. Galloway ONLY won his seat because of his views against the war on Iraq and his own opinion of Hussein. Had he been contesting the seat in a non-Asian community, he wouldn't have got anywhere near the number of votes that he did. Had he been running for the seat in Bradford South (for example), we wouldn't be having this debate. . As for his 'spin' above, I will believe it when I see it. If he can find wealthy backers that can take Bradford City forward and those backers are legit, I am all for it. As long as it isn't his 'dirty' money being invested, I don't see why others are against it. Surely progression is .... progression?

Waynus the '''dirty' money'' you refer to NEVER actually existed it was the type of propaganda I was relating to above and you have absorbed this and ,unfortunately, taken it as a truth. Be careful, George has already successfully sued the Daily Telegraph for defamation over this so I wouldn't repeat the lie if I was you. It wasn't GG who provided Saddam with the weapons and the Gas he used to commit these 'war crimes' that you refer to waynus. It wasn't GG who helped Iraq with weapons to aid the slaughter during the Iran Iraq war either. Again, I am not arguing the case of what was right or wrong, I am simply asking you to put some effort into finding out what the REAL or TRUE reasons and/or facts are. IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH ps you might find 'George Galloway Vs The US Senate' on youtube enlightening.

Lonnie, firstly I need to clarify what I meant by 'dirty money'. I'm not suggesting that GG has 'dirty money' and that I have "absorbed this and ,unfortunately, taken it as a truth". I was merely suggesting that I wouldn't touch any of Galloway's personal money as I don't trust the bloke and wouldn't want him 'buying my vote'. That is all I meant.
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In relation to your other points, "It wasn't GG who provided Saddam with the weapons and the Gas he used to commit these 'war crimes' that you refer to waynus. It wasn't GG who helped Iraq with weapons to aid the slaughter during the Iran Iraq war either. Very true, but this article wasn't about those perpetrators was it? Had it been, my response would have been the same.
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Just because weapons were sold by our Government (and that of the USA amongst others), doesn't mean Saddam had to use them. No Saddam wasn't the only guilty party in this, but GG was still wrong to make him out to be blameless, whilst attacking those Governments.
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The fact is, they were ALL to blame, but only one of them is trying to get involved in OUR club..!

I don't understand how you think you would be offered any of GG's money waynus? If you mean you wouldn't want BCFC to 'touch' GG's 'dirty money' -what ever you mean by that- then you are implying something that isn't, and never was, being offered by GG. Here's a quote from above article: 'I’m doing my best to stave off the imminent disaster and see what can be done viz-a-viz sponsorship or even taking a share. That’s not me personally but people I can influence'. Clear enough?

Your logic re: selling Saddam weapons and implying we are then morally absolved from from any death and suffering of innocent men, women and children in Iraq because it was Saddam's decision to use them is an interesting one. I suppose your logic must also absolve drug dealers from any responsibility in the ruination of many countless lives because their customers don't have to use them. Would it not also be acceptable -according to this type of logic- to help deal with the problem of war orphans around the world by allowing paedophiles to adopt them? Our consciences would be clear because it would be up to the paedo's to decide whether or not they wanted to 'use them'!

You didn't watch the video of GG's appearance before the US Senate Committee that I recommended to you did you Waynus? If you did you would have seen and heard him say (AND provide written evidence to back up his statement) the following:
'I was an opponent of Saddam Hussein when British and Americans governments and businessmen were selling him guns and gas. I used to demonstrate outside the Iraqi embassy when British and American officials were going in and doing commerce.
Sen. Norm Coleman
You will see from the official parliamentary record Hansard, from March 15 1990 onwards, voluminous evidence that I have a rather better record of opposition to Saddam Hussein than you do and than any other member of the British or American governments do'.

Do your self a favour waynus, seek the truth and stop providing yourself as a means for regurgitating propaganda and downright lies. Are you prepared to alter your views now that you can see that you have been completely incorrect in your claims about GG or do you wish to continue to dislike him because somebody else has told you you should?

“There is only one good, knowledge, and one evil, ignorance”
Socrates

Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:
I'm disappointed there have been no responses to my tete a tete.

Don't know how to respond to an AIX UN9 engineer? Would you rather I were on benefits to fit in with your mongy post? Would you like me to tow your party line, like you are towing George's? I'd like you to disappear into a small brown hole but no doubt you do on a regualr basis.

Anyway, up the City, we'll survive and get by as we always have, local businessmen with an avid interest in football and Bradford City. Only.

lonniejockstrap wrote:
Waynus, I have a feeling I will always struggle to understand what it is you are actually trying to communicate. You had an opportunity to watch for yourself GG's response to allegations but you 'had more important things to do'. Fair enough, but then you guessed at what you would learn from video. Sorry waynus, but you guessed wrong. You stick to guessing and repeating what you have heard from other people if that is what you prefer to base your opinions on. My point all along in this article has been about seeking out the facts and truth, not about whether or not GG is a great bloke and whether you like him or not. YOU, unfortunately, have got at least some of your 'facts' wrong about GG.

Waynus1971 wrote:

lonniejockstrap wrote:
Waynus, I have a feeling I will always struggle to understand what it is you are actually trying to communicate. You had an opportunity to watch for yourself GG's response to allegations but you 'had more important things to do'. Fair enough, but then you guessed at what you would learn from video. Sorry waynus, but you guessed wrong. You stick to guessing and repeating what you have heard from other people if that is what you prefer to base your opinions on. My point all along in this article has been about seeking out the facts and truth, not about whether or not GG is a great bloke and whether you like him or not. YOU, unfortunately, have got at least some of your 'facts' wrong about GG.

Yep, a typical 'Lonnie' response. Firstly, where was the apology for deliberately mis-reading my post? Instead of apologising, you make it out to be my fault that you mis-quoted me. At least be gracious enough to admit you were wrong.
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Secondly, can I just bring you back a few steps. This debate between the two of us started because I said I didn't agree with what I had SEEN Galloway say (not heresay) on TV. You then responded by stating that it wasn't Galloway that supplied the money or arms used by Hussein. This debate was NEVER about the involvement of Bush, Blair etc. They are not the ones promising to bring Saudi money to Bradford.
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I have never disputed what the respective Governments have done and their involvement in Hussein's 'war crimes'. My only issue was what I saw with my own two eyes (and reported at the time) and that was what I posted in my last message.
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Where have I "second-guessed
' what the You-Tube video showed? I never did any such thing. I said I didn't watch it as I saw no benefit in doing so. I then responded to snippets of your post, such as "British and American Governments were selling him guns and gas" with " Yes our Governments and those of other nations (notably USA), were guilty of providing funds for the weaponry and also provided the weapons in some cases". And then you wrote, "I have a rather better record of opposition to Saddam Hussein than you do and...." to which I responded with "Okay, Galloway has said that he was one of Hussein's biggest opponents....". Please confirm where I have 'guessed at what I would learn from the video'?????
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Finally, you end your post above by saying 'YOU, unfortunately have got at least some of your facts wrong about GG'. What 'facts' (plural) are they? I saw Galloway on TV say what I claimed previously to be a fact. I can't get you to believe this and I won't even try because I know that without the evidence, your stubborness will prevent you changing your view.
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I still believe (as I said in my last post) that you are just trying to pick an argument, which is very naughty of you and you are better than that....!

lonniejockstrap wrote:

Waynus1971 wrote:

lonniejockstrap wrote: Waynus, I have a feeling I will always struggle to understand what it is you are actually trying to communicate. You had an opportunity to watch for yourself GG's response to allegations but you 'had more important things to do'. Fair enough, but then you guessed at what you would learn from video. Sorry waynus, but you guessed wrong. You stick to guessing and repeating what you have heard from other people if that is what you prefer to base your opinions on. My point all along in this article has been about seeking out the facts and truth, not about whether or not GG is a great bloke and whether you like him or not. YOU, unfortunately, have got at least some of your 'facts' wrong about GG.

Yep, a typical 'Lonnie' response. Firstly, where was the apology for deliberately mis-reading my post? Instead of apologising, you make it out to be my fault that you mis-quoted me. At least be gracious enough to admit you were wrong. . Secondly, can I just bring you back a few steps. This debate between the two of us started because I said I didn't agree with what I had SEEN Galloway say (not heresay) on TV. You then responded by stating that it wasn't Galloway that supplied the money or arms used by Hussein. This debate was NEVER about the involvement of Bush, Blair etc. They are not the ones promising to bring Saudi money to Bradford. . I have never disputed what the respective Governments have done and their involvement in Hussein's 'war crimes'. My only issue was what I saw with my own two eyes (and reported at the time) and that was what I posted in my last message. . Where have I "second-guessed ' what the You-Tube video showed? I never did any such thing. I said I didn't watch it as I saw no benefit in doing so. I then responded to snippets of your post, such as "British and American Governments were selling him guns and gas" with " Yes our Governments and those of other nations (notably USA), were guilty of providing funds for the weaponry and also provided the weapons in some cases". And then you wrote, "I have a rather better record of opposition to Saddam Hussein than you do and...." to which I responded with "Okay, Galloway has said that he was one of Hussein's biggest opponents....". Please confirm where I have 'guessed at what I would learn from the video'????? . Finally, you end your post above by saying 'YOU, unfortunately have got at least some of your facts wrong about GG'. What 'facts' (plural) are they? I saw Galloway on TV say what I claimed previously to be a fact. I can't get you to believe this and I won't even try because I know that without the evidence, your stubborness will prevent you changing your view. . I still believe (as I said in my last post) that you are just trying to pick an argument, which is very naughty of you and you are better than that....!

You 'guessed' because you said: 'What would I have learned from this? Yes, our Governments and those of other Nations (notably USA) were guilty of providing funds for the weaponry and also provided the weapons in some cases'. Well, you are wrong because the Vid was not about that! You don't seem that busy to me waynus going by the amount of time you have spent posting incorrect claims on here about GG. Could you explain this 'dirty money' claim. Why is his money 'dirty money'? How are you suggesting he has earned his money? Lets here exactly what you mean then we know what picture you are trying to paint. You claim: 'Galloway put this man on a pedestal'. You also claim: 'Galloway ONLY won his seat because of his views against the war on Iraq and his own opinion of Hussein. Had he been contesting the seat in a non-Asian community, he wouldn't have got anywhere near the number of votes that he did. Had he been running for the seat in Bradford South (for example), we wouldn't be having this debate'. How do you know this? Did you listen to his pre-election speech about the Chief Executive at Bradford Council NOT living in Bradford, the Vice Chancellor of The University of Bradford NOT living in Bradford and heads of other major publicly funded bodies in Bradford that lived outside of Bradford. His point was about how to have those people who are accountable for the mess that Bradford is in to be made to live in Bradford and suffer the consequences of their actions like the rest of us have to. So you are wrong about him only being interested in Iraq. Your problem is you are not interested in seeking the truth or the facts. They are out there but you are 'too busy' to go find them. Yes I am 'trying to pick an argument' I am arguing that you are deliberately ignoring the 'other side of the argument' that GG has made. I am arguing that you are deliberately choosing to stick to an opinion regardless of other evidence that was available to you but which you chose to ignore NOT because YOU 'were too busy' but because you don't want to have your prejudices changed.

Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:
Lonnie, where does this Bradford MP live? Genuine question. I'm guessing not Girlington but can't hazard further guesses.

Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:
Lonnie, where does this Bradford MP live? Genuine question. I'm guessing not Girlington but can't hazard further guesses.

Waynus1971 wrote:

lonniejockstrap wrote:

Waynus1971 wrote:

lonniejockstrap wrote: Waynus, I have a feeling I will always struggle to understand what it is you are actually trying to communicate. You had an opportunity to watch for yourself GG's response to allegations but you 'had more important things to do'. Fair enough, but then you guessed at what you would learn from video. Sorry waynus, but you guessed wrong. You stick to guessing and repeating what you have heard from other people if that is what you prefer to base your opinions on. My point all along in this article has been about seeking out the facts and truth, not about whether or not GG is a great bloke and whether you like him or not. YOU, unfortunately, have got at least some of your 'facts' wrong about GG.

Yep, a typical 'Lonnie' response. Firstly, where was the apology for deliberately mis-reading my post? Instead of apologising, you make it out to be my fault that you mis-quoted me. At least be gracious enough to admit you were wrong. . Secondly, can I just bring you back a few steps. This debate between the two of us started because I said I didn't agree with what I had SEEN Galloway say (not heresay) on TV. You then responded by stating that it wasn't Galloway that supplied the money or arms used by Hussein. This debate was NEVER about the involvement of Bush, Blair etc. They are not the ones promising to bring Saudi money to Bradford. . I have never disputed what the respective Governments have done and their involvement in Hussein's 'war crimes'. My only issue was what I saw with my own two eyes (and reported at the time) and that was what I posted in my last message. . Where have I "second-guessed ' what the You-Tube video showed? I never did any such thing. I said I didn't watch it as I saw no benefit in doing so. I then responded to snippets of your post, such as "British and American Governments were selling him guns and gas" with " Yes our Governments and those of other nations (notably USA), were guilty of providing funds for the weaponry and also provided the weapons in some cases". And then you wrote, "I have a rather better record of opposition to Saddam Hussein than you do and...." to which I responded with "Okay, Galloway has said that he was one of Hussein's biggest opponents....". Please confirm where I have 'guessed at what I would learn from the video'????? . Finally, you end your post above by saying 'YOU, unfortunately have got at least some of your facts wrong about GG'. What 'facts' (plural) are they? I saw Galloway on TV say what I claimed previously to be a fact. I can't get you to believe this and I won't even try because I know that without the evidence, your stubborness will prevent you changing your view. . I still believe (as I said in my last post) that you are just trying to pick an argument, which is very naughty of you and you are better than that....!

You 'guessed' because you said: 'What would I have learned from this? Yes, our Governments and those of other Nations (notably USA) were guilty of providing funds for the weaponry and also provided the weapons in some cases'. Well, you are wrong because the Vid was not about that! You don't seem that busy to me waynus going by the amount of time you have spent posting incorrect claims on here about GG. Could you explain this 'dirty money' claim. Why is his money 'dirty money'? How are you suggesting he has earned his money? Lets here exactly what you mean then we know what picture you are trying to paint. You claim: 'Galloway put this man on a pedestal'. You also claim: 'Galloway ONLY won his seat because of his views against the war on Iraq and his own opinion of Hussein. Had he been contesting the seat in a non-Asian community, he wouldn't have got anywhere near the number of votes that he did. Had he been running for the seat in Bradford South (for example), we wouldn't be having this debate'. How do you know this? Did you listen to his pre-election speech about the Chief Executive at Bradford Council NOT living in Bradford, the Vice Chancellor of The University of Bradford NOT living in Bradford and heads of other major publicly funded bodies in Bradford that lived outside of Bradford. His point was about how to have those people who are accountable for the mess that Bradford is in to be made to live in Bradford and suffer the consequences of their actions like the rest of us have to. So you are wrong about him only being interested in Iraq. Your problem is you are not interested in seeking the truth or the facts. They are out there but you are 'too busy' to go find them. Yes I am 'trying to pick an argument' I am arguing that you are deliberately ignoring the 'other side of the argument' that GG has made. I am arguing that you are deliberately choosing to stick to an opinion regardless of other evidence that was available to you but which you chose to ignore NOT because YOU 'were too busy' but because you don't want to have your prejudices changed.

Oh Lonnie. You keep going fella, just like you do best. You say I'm not open to other views, but that is EXACTLY what you are doing. I provided a rough quote of what Galloway had publicly said on TV and YOU refused to acknowledge this.
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I have never disputed that Galloway was against our Governments trading with Hussein or that he stood outside to protest. I have never even disputed that he has Bradford at the forefront of everything he will bring, not that he has been elected.
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However, there was a Poll, in Bradford city centre, completed just weeks before the election and Galloway did NOT come out in any glory. That is how I made my observation on why GG only got the votes in that area, based on his views on Blair & Bush invading 'Iraq'. Admittedly, I shouldn't have done this, but there must be a reason why a street poll in the centre of Bradford showed GG not to be in the running, but when it came to the votes, he coasted home with a high percentage.
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I'm going to disregard your comment about 'dirty money' as I have already explained this to you once. I refuse to go over the same, old ground again.!
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Finally, NO, I did not second guess the content of the video. My first sentence was asking what I would have gained from doing so. This was for you to answer. My second sentence was unrelated and was MY OWN view of what you had suggested previously. I was certainly not second guessing what the video showed. I have absolutely no interest in it.
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From an article about GG suggesting he knew of some people who may be persuaded to invest in Bradford City, YOU helped convert this into a debate about the wrongs of our elected Governments and their lies. And as you said yourself, "What we ALL need to stop doing is believing what politicians say without question". Please remind me again, is Galloway a politician and thus should we be believing what he said at his 'pre-election speech'??????

lonniejockstrap wrote:

Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:
Lonnie, where does this Bradford MP live? Genuine question. I'm guessing not Girlington but can't hazard further guesses.

No I don't think it's in Girlington. I heard him mention the area a few days back but didn't register it. However, it is Bradford and in his constituency I am pretty sure of that. I will search around and see if I can supply you with the area.

Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:
He's on QT now so maybe he'll mention it. Possibly Clayton?
Although don't be too adamant in your argument he is above reproach as regards 'iffy' dealings and less than welcome fund raising efforts, less than welcome to me anyway and dubious company. Then again, my feelings on politicians, heads of state, group leaders and associated cohorts of all nations are akin to those I have for dog mess.

Anyway, sport pages here so 'to sport'

lonniejockstrap wrote:

Waynus1971 wrote:

lonniejockstrap wrote:

Waynus1971 wrote:

lonniejockstrap wrote: Waynus, I have a feeling I will always struggle to understand what it is you are actually trying to communicate. You had an opportunity to watch for yourself GG's response to allegations but you 'had more important things to do'. Fair enough, but then you guessed at what you would learn from video. Sorry waynus, but you guessed wrong. You stick to guessing and repeating what you have heard from other people if that is what you prefer to base your opinions on. My point all along in this article has been about seeking out the facts and truth, not about whether or not GG is a great bloke and whether you like him or not. YOU, unfortunately, have got at least some of your 'facts' wrong about GG.

Yep, a typical 'Lonnie' response. Firstly, where was the apology for deliberately mis-reading my post? Instead of apologising, you make it out to be my fault that you mis-quoted me. At least be gracious enough to admit you were wrong. . Secondly, can I just bring you back a few steps. This debate between the two of us started because I said I didn't agree with what I had SEEN Galloway say (not heresay) on TV. You then responded by stating that it wasn't Galloway that supplied the money or arms used by Hussein. This debate was NEVER about the involvement of Bush, Blair etc. They are not the ones promising to bring Saudi money to Bradford. . I have never disputed what the respective Governments have done and their involvement in Hussein's 'war crimes'. My only issue was what I saw with my own two eyes (and reported at the time) and that was what I posted in my last message. . Where have I "second-guessed ' what the You-Tube video showed? I never did any such thing. I said I didn't watch it as I saw no benefit in doing so. I then responded to snippets of your post, such as "British and American Governments were selling him guns and gas" with " Yes our Governments and those of other nations (notably USA), were guilty of providing funds for the weaponry and also provided the weapons in some cases". And then you wrote, "I have a rather better record of opposition to Saddam Hussein than you do and...." to which I responded with "Okay, Galloway has said that he was one of Hussein's biggest opponents....". Please confirm where I have 'guessed at what I would learn from the video'????? . Finally, you end your post above by saying 'YOU, unfortunately have got at least some of your facts wrong about GG'. What 'facts' (plural) are they? I saw Galloway on TV say what I claimed previously to be a fact. I can't get you to believe this and I won't even try because I know that without the evidence, your stubborness will prevent you changing your view. . I still believe (as I said in my last post) that you are just trying to pick an argument, which is very naughty of you and you are better than that....!

You 'guessed' because you said: 'What would I have learned from this? Yes, our Governments and those of other Nations (notably USA) were guilty of providing funds for the weaponry and also provided the weapons in some cases'. Well, you are wrong because the Vid was not about that! You don't seem that busy to me waynus going by the amount of time you have spent posting incorrect claims on here about GG. Could you explain this 'dirty money' claim. Why is his money 'dirty money'? How are you suggesting he has earned his money? Lets here exactly what you mean then we know what picture you are trying to paint. You claim: 'Galloway put this man on a pedestal'. You also claim: 'Galloway ONLY won his seat because of his views against the war on Iraq and his own opinion of Hussein. Had he been contesting the seat in a non-Asian community, he wouldn't have got anywhere near the number of votes that he did. Had he been running for the seat in Bradford South (for example), we wouldn't be having this debate'. How do you know this? Did you listen to his pre-election speech about the Chief Executive at Bradford Council NOT living in Bradford, the Vice Chancellor of The University of Bradford NOT living in Bradford and heads of other major publicly funded bodies in Bradford that lived outside of Bradford. His point was about how to have those people who are accountable for the mess that Bradford is in to be made to live in Bradford and suffer the consequences of their actions like the rest of us have to. So you are wrong about him only being interested in Iraq. Your problem is you are not interested in seeking the truth or the facts. They are out there but you are 'too busy' to go find them. Yes I am 'trying to pick an argument' I am arguing that you are deliberately ignoring the 'other side of the argument' that GG has made. I am arguing that you are deliberately choosing to stick to an opinion regardless of other evidence that was available to you but which you chose to ignore NOT because YOU 'were too busy' but because you don't want to have your prejudices changed.

Oh Lonnie. You keep going fella, just like you do best. You say I'm not open to other views, but that is EXACTLY what you are doing. I provided a rough quote of what Galloway had publicly said on TV and YOU refused to acknowledge this.
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I have never disputed that Galloway was against our Governments trading with Hussein or that he stood outside to protest. I have never even disputed that he has Bradford at the forefront of everything he will bring, not that he has been elected.
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However, there was a Poll, in Bradford city centre, completed just weeks before the election and Galloway did NOT come out in any glory. That is how I made my observation on why GG only got the votes in that area, based on his views on Blair & Bush invading 'Iraq'. Admittedly, I shouldn't have done this, but there must be a reason why a street poll in the centre of Bradford showed GG not to be in the running, but when it came to the votes, he coasted home with a high percentage.
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I'm going to disregard your comment about 'dirty money' as I have already explained this to you once. I refuse to go over the same, old ground again.!
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Finally, NO, I did not second guess the content of the video. My first sentence was asking what I would have gained from doing so. This was for you to answer. My second sentence was unrelated and was MY OWN view of what you had suggested previously. I was certainly not second guessing what the video showed. I have absolutely no interest in it.
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From an article about GG suggesting he knew of some people who may be persuaded to invest in Bradford City, YOU helped convert this into a debate about the wrongs of our elected Governments and their lies. And as you said yourself, "What we ALL need to stop doing is believing what politicians say without question". Please remind me again, is Galloway a politician and thus should we be believing what he said at his 'pre-election speech'??????

No! 'not without question'. But as you say above, you 'have absolutely no interest in it' (what GG actually had to say that showed his accusers of being very underhand and lacking in a belief in a search for the 'truth'.

I don't accept you have explained why you think GG's money is 'dirty'. I don't think you have any justification for saying this and are now deciding to take the easy way out of having to try justify it. It would be more mature to just withdraw the accusation.

Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:
His performance and rhetoric on last night's QT were outstanding, still do not trust the man to deliver on local issues, I'm glad that he helped the Bulls to win four on the bounce though and EVEN City have managed to win!!! Well done George, got us all clamouring for you now.

He talks a good game but has failed a few times, when questioned to respond to 'missing' money, company kept, condemnation of the company he keeps just as he was asking for the 'illegal' war to be condemned last night.

I'm surprised we have actually been doing his job for him as the Bulls/CIty interest was a very obvious ploy to back up the strength of vote this time around with extra support from two not inconsiderable groups of sports fans, who if suckered in would swell his vote base.

As we are talking about this on sport pages let's bring in 'form', Mr Galloway has got form for promising much and delivering little, this will continue as long as he is allowed and supported by people who only care about foreign policy.

Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:
The councillor he has 'ousted' is totally in favour for him, one less labourite. The rest are soundbites and electioneering rhetoric, his interest is in foreign policy, he loses seats after election as he doesn't deliver on his pre-elective policies. That isn't news media or government propaganda, he doesn't retain the seats he wins as he, like every other politician says one thing to gain power and delivers another once the aim is achieved. The coalition are going to go the same way and will not be voted back in IMO for much the same reasons.

You are correct in saying that those who came before have done nothing either and even if GG has only stirred the hornets nest it may well have given Bradford some hope and a light shone on the outstnading issues that face the city and surrounding areas. I want benefit for all not a minority, who will be just enough to creep him over the line time and again.

lonniejockstrap wrote:
I have read your posts and you HAVE NOT explained why GG's money is 'dirty'. Why not cut the cr@P and spell out clearly the reasons why GG's money should be classed as 'dirty'? Why are you so reluctant to do this? If you are so confident in believing his money is 'dirty' then tell we how it became 'dirty' I am open to any evidence you can provide to support your accusation. Is it a case that if YOU don't like somebody that their money automatically becomes 'dirty'? is that it?

Well, GG has explained many times on many occasions that he was not praising Hussain but praising the 'indefatigability' of the Iraqi people. However, when I first watched the clip of him saying this it also looked to me as if he was referring to Hussain.

At the end of the day, GG still has a far superior record of opposing Saddam than any other MP or Senator. What is your view of Tony Blair kissing Gadaffi and doing deals with him as a comparison to GG's 'words'? How about Rumsfeld going to see SH doing deals and selling weapons SH? -some of which were claimed to have been used against American and British Soldiers. There is a saying that 'actions speak louder than words'. If that's the case why is GG painted as the Devil incarnate with a pocket full of 'dirty money' but the actions of Blair, Rumsfeld and Bush are virtually non-existent in your moral judgement's? Your way of decision making appears to be based on a simplistic 'four legs good, two legs bad' process.

Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:
I stand corrected, slightly, his party I should have said, he stood aside to let someone else contest the seat and they lost the seat back to labour, after once again electioneering mainly on foreign policy which was how the seat was gained in 2005 o begin with.
It is short-termist, shock and awe(may as well reclaim this phrase) vote winning campaigning and the main party interest. Other issues become more and more important to an electorate over an encumbents time in office and a second campaign should be fought on those issuers when the time is right. This anti-war campaign could die tomorrow if a cease-fire were to ever occur(not likely due to the greed of the west and the 'base' that is Afghanistan) and if that were to happen the RESPECT party could end with it.

I enjoyed watching him take the joint co-alition party chair to task on QT but have to admit to a growing warmth towards Tim Fallon.

As I hope I have made clear, I don't like politicians, power brokers, war mongers, heads of state but also I don't like CEOs, office managers, team leaders or any jumped up officianado. I am an old punk, with anarchic thoughts and attitude but unable to fully fulfil due to having a family to raise and support. Anarchy doesn't bring home the bacon though and so towing the line with simmering resentment has been my yoke for 25 years.

Once again, whilst stating I'm not keen on GG himself I am appreciating his form of anarchy in that he is a constant wasp in the main parties' ears and is holding up the dirty washing they don't want us seeing. It is also great fun watching them squirm and then fall as their personal greeds are exposed and their near illegal trough rummage is shown up for what it is.

I fully expect him to drop his Bradford seat next time around by revisiting the last lost election with the same failed tactic, moving aside to let a lesser party member have a bash and thus losing the seat again as the party politics are not yet strong enough.

Waynus1971 wrote:

lonniejockstrap wrote:
I have read your posts and you HAVE NOT explained why GG's money is 'dirty'. Why not cut the cr@P and spell out clearly the reasons why GG's money should be classed as 'dirty'? Why are you so reluctant to do this? If you are so confident in believing his money is 'dirty' then tell we how it became 'dirty' I am open to any evidence you can provide to support your accusation. Is it a case that if YOU don't like somebody that their money automatically becomes 'dirty'? is that it?

Well, GG has explained many times on many occasions that he was not praising Hussain but praising the 'indefatigability' of the Iraqi people. However, when I first watched the clip of him saying this it also looked to me as if he was referring to Hussain.

At the end of the day, GG still has a far superior record of opposing Saddam than any other MP or Senator. What is your view of Tony Blair kissing Gadaffi and doing deals with him as a comparison to GG's 'words'? How about Rumsfeld going to see SH doing deals and selling weapons SH? -some of which were claimed to have been used against American and British Soldiers. There is a saying that 'actions speak louder than words'. If that's the case why is GG painted as the Devil incarnate with a pocket full of 'dirty money' but the actions of Blair, Rumsfeld and Bush are virtually non-existent in your moral judgement's? Your way of decision making appears to be based on a simplistic 'four legs good, two legs bad' process.

Oh Lonnie, you are still trying to make this out to be a political issue. Did I miss the story that Blair was hoping to get involved with Bradford City? Did I miss the article that claimed Donald Rumsfeld was trying to get some businessmen to buy our football club. This issue and my views has NOTHING to do with either of those men.
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However, to appease you further, I will clarify what I have already posted many times. Blair, Bush and all the other political leaders that pushed through the attacks on Iraq are guilty of all the charges Galloway has accused them of. I also agree that they should not be void of punishment for their part in the "war on Iraq". So, please clarify where I have EVER said that their actions are "virtually non-existent"???? Another very weak argument (for the sake of it Lonnie)...!
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As for my use of the phrase 'dirty money', I thought we had been through this. When I first used the phrase, you accused me of reading some story and told me to be careful of what I was believing. I responded that I knew nothing of the story and wasn't saying Galloway's money was "dirty" in the usually context. I then clarified that I didn't trust the vote and wouldn't want him buying my vote. So, in answer to your question on this, yes I have clarified my meaning and yes, if I don't trust somebody, I would refer to their money as being dirty (possibly a poor choice of words if this over-the-top debate is anything to go by)...!

lonniejockstrap wrote:

Waynus1971 wrote:

lonniejockstrap wrote:
I have read your posts and you HAVE NOT explained why GG's money is 'dirty'. Why not cut the cr@P and spell out clearly the reasons why GG's money should be classed as 'dirty'? Why are you so reluctant to do this? If you are so confident in believing his money is 'dirty' then tell we how it became 'dirty' I am open to any evidence you can provide to support your accusation. Is it a case that if YOU don't like somebody that their money automatically becomes 'dirty'? is that it?

Well, GG has explained many times on many occasions that he was not praising Hussain but praising the 'indefatigability' of the Iraqi people. However, when I first watched the clip of him saying this it also looked to me as if he was referring to Hussain.

At the end of the day, GG still has a far superior record of opposing Saddam than any other MP or Senator. What is your view of Tony Blair kissing Gadaffi and doing deals with him as a comparison to GG's 'words'? How about Rumsfeld going to see SH doing deals and selling weapons SH? -some of which were claimed to have been used against American and British Soldiers. There is a saying that 'actions speak louder than words'. If that's the case why is GG painted as the Devil incarnate with a pocket full of 'dirty money' but the actions of Blair, Rumsfeld and Bush are virtually non-existent in your moral judgement's? Your way of decision making appears to be based on a simplistic 'four legs good, two legs bad' process.

Oh Lonnie, you are still trying to make this out to be a political issue. Did I miss the story that Blair was hoping to get involved with Bradford City? Did I miss the article that claimed Donald Rumsfeld was trying to get some businessmen to buy our football club. This issue and my views has NOTHING to do with either of those men.
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However, to appease you further, I will clarify what I have already posted many times. Blair, Bush and all the other political leaders that pushed through the attacks on Iraq are guilty of all the charges Galloway has accused them of. I also agree that they should not be void of punishment for their part in the "war on Iraq". So, please clarify where I have EVER said that their actions are "virtually non-existent"???? Another very weak argument (for the sake of it Lonnie)...!
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As for my use of the phrase 'dirty money', I thought we had been through this. When I first used the phrase, you accused me of reading some story and told me to be careful of what I was believing. I responded that I knew nothing of the story and wasn't saying Galloway's money was "dirty" in the usually context. I then clarified that I didn't trust the vote and wouldn't want him buying my vote. So, in answer to your question on this, yes I have clarified my meaning and yes, if I don't trust somebody, I would refer to their money as being dirty (possibly a poor choice of words if this over-the-top debate is anything to go by)...!

So you admit your 'dirty money' was wrong. That's fine, that's all I wanted from you or evidence to support the claim. I was merely seeking the facts behind your 'poor choice of words'.