Political heavyweight George Galloway fighting Bradford City and Bradford Bulls' corner

George Galloway, pictured outside City Hall in Bradford, has friends in high places

George Galloway, pictured outside City Hall in Bradford, has friends in high places

First published in Bantams Bradford Telegraph and Argus: Photograph of the Author Exclusive by , Bradford City Reporter

George Galloway insists his pledge to bring Middle Eastern money to Valley Parade is no idle boast.

The city’s newest MP says he genuinely plans to use his worldwide contacts to attract investment for the Bantams.

But first he is in talks to try to help safeguard the future of the Bulls as they look for another £500,000 cash injection in the coming weeks.

Outspoken Galloway believes that reviving the fortunes of the two clubs is vital to save Bradford from “sinking”.

He is keen to sit down with City owners Mark Lawn and Julian Rhodes – once the Bulls have been taken off the critical list. Galloway told the T&A: “Their situation is marginally more perilous in a sense of days rather than a determinate amount of time. But both are in a difficult condition and if I can help, then I will.

We’ve got a city that is literally sinking in that big hole in the centre where Westfield should be. The sinking feeling about the football and rugby league clubs helps to portray the picture of a sinking city

George Galloway

“I’m doing my best to stave off the imminent disaster and see what can be done viz-a-viz sponsorship or even taking a share. That’s not me personally but people I can influence.

“As a sports lover and Bradford MP and somebody expected to make a difference, I’m starting with iconic things like City and the Bulls.

“To go from world champions of rugby league to being on the verge of going under is a pretty catastrophic drop.

“And City have been twice in admin and there is always a danger of a third. You don’t want to talk them down but they are in a bad situation financially and in terms of their position in the Football League.

“We’ve got a city that is literally sinking in that big hole in the centre where Westfield should be. The sinking feeling one gets about the football and rugby league clubs obviously helps to portray the picture of a sinking city.

“We want to pull ourselves up from that as quickly as possible and these two clubs are something I can influence.”

City have heard grand plans of investment before which have come to nothing. They will wait to see if Galloway’s words are more than just politician’s rhetoric.

The Bradford West MP, whose constituency includes Valley Parade, has been invited to the next home game against Macclesfield on April 21.

Galloway added: “If you’ve got a high profile and you have important international connections then we should try and put these two things together.

“I haven’t visited the football club yet but I do want to meet them. I want good relations with the people who are currently in charge.

“Both sporting stadia are impressive, iconic and historic. We need to join up our thinking on these things. It’s so important for the self image of Bradford.

“I watched Norwich beating Tottenham the other day. That’s a far smaller place than Bradford but what they are doing is pretty impressive.

“That’s the feelgood factor that sporting success can bring to a city.”

Lawn made it clear that City’s door is open.

He said: “I would love to think there’s something behind it. But if George is serious, we will speak to him at any time.

“If people want to invest in Bradford City and can do better than Julian and I, then we will gladly walk away. That has never changed.

"But there's nobody queuing to come in. The last one we talked to about investing was Steve Parkin and that never got beyond talking."

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7:16am Thu 12 Apr 12

ricky76 says...

Rather have ML and JR than this clown.
Rather have ML and JR than this clown. ricky76
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7:22am Thu 12 Apr 12

ALEXIMO.56. says...

He doesn't need to influence money men from the middle east, just get 10,000 of his voters to buy a s/tkt. lol.
He doesn't need to influence money men from the middle east, just get 10,000 of his voters to buy a s/tkt. lol. ALEXIMO.56.
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7:24am Thu 12 Apr 12

Hoggy64 says...

ricky76 wrote:
Rather have ML and JR than this clown.
100% agree, stay away from our club.
[quote][p][bold]ricky76[/bold] wrote: Rather have ML and JR than this clown.[/p][/quote]100% agree, stay away from our club. Hoggy64
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7:39am Thu 12 Apr 12

bullsinlancs says...

Hood is many things but he is no mug. He will see this guy coming a mile off. At least this article gave me a laugh before i head off to work. George Galloway saving the bulls...Ha Ha Ha!!!!!
Hood is many things but he is no mug. He will see this guy coming a mile off. At least this article gave me a laugh before i head off to work. George Galloway saving the bulls...Ha Ha Ha!!!!! bullsinlancs
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7:52am Thu 12 Apr 12

prince35 says...

I would love to be at the meeting when chairman lawn, chairman Rhodes, and georgie boy meet lol.
I would love to be at the meeting when chairman lawn, chairman Rhodes, and georgie boy meet lol. prince35
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8:09am Thu 12 Apr 12

Thee Voice of Reason says...

I could see a billionaire oil shiek putting a bid in for the clubs but the chairmen turning it down becuase they believe it wouldn't take the clubs forward.
I could see a billionaire oil shiek putting a bid in for the clubs but the chairmen turning it down becuase they believe it wouldn't take the clubs forward. Thee Voice of Reason
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8:10am Thu 12 Apr 12

bigdigs says...

DO 1 MR **** GALLOWAY!! YOUR NOT WELCOME AT OUR CLUB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!C
TID
DO 1 MR **** GALLOWAY!! YOUR NOT WELCOME AT OUR CLUB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!C TID bigdigs
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8:23am Thu 12 Apr 12

AdeyG'man says...

Investment is investment. If he can live up to his claim then I for one wouldn't be sorry to see him help the Bulls out. None of us are getting investment from Bradford Millionaires....Sir Ken would hold his breathe if it cost money to breathe!
Investment is investment. If he can live up to his claim then I for one wouldn't be sorry to see him help the Bulls out. None of us are getting investment from Bradford Millionaires....Sir Ken would hold his breathe if it cost money to breathe! AdeyG'man
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8:23am Thu 12 Apr 12

ALEXIMO.56. says...

Georgie boy claims that City are in fincial difficulty. I can't remember the club announcing this.!! This man sounds like a propper clown. Like I mentioned in my earlier post, if he wants to help then he needs to get 10,000 of his voters to buy a s/tkt for next season and then keep well away.
Georgie boy claims that City are in fincial difficulty. I can't remember the club announcing this.!! This man sounds like a propper clown. Like I mentioned in my earlier post, if he wants to help then he needs to get 10,000 of his voters to buy a s/tkt for next season and then keep well away. ALEXIMO.56.
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8:28am Thu 12 Apr 12

tyker2 says...

back him:what have you to lose

Both clubs need serious cash and a new ground to share so let him get on ?.

Alos whilst he is at it get Westfield moving fast and bring thousands of jobs back to the city and bring it out of it's moribund state
back him:what have you to lose Both clubs need serious cash and a new ground to share so let him get on ?. Alos whilst he is at it get Westfield moving fast and bring thousands of jobs back to the city and bring it out of it's moribund state tyker2
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8:33am Thu 12 Apr 12

bhuna156 says...

Of course he's welcome if he can atract desperately needed investment for both clubs.
George Galloway could be the best thing to ever happen to Bradford if he can prove he's not just all talk.
Of course he's welcome if he can atract desperately needed investment for both clubs. George Galloway could be the best thing to ever happen to Bradford if he can prove he's not just all talk. bhuna156
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8:39am Thu 12 Apr 12

abou says...

Some of you on here must be real miserable in your daily lives, your probably the type that phone the radio to complain about the weather.
All year long you complain the clubs in a mess and post negativity about the board then you get someone who be it Parkin be it George or whoever, tries to do something you immediately berate and curse him.
Lifes not that bad trust me despite whatever probs youve got in your life it just needs approaching from a more positive angle
Some of you on here must be real miserable in your daily lives, your probably the type that phone the radio to complain about the weather. All year long you complain the clubs in a mess and post negativity about the board then you get someone who be it Parkin be it George or whoever, tries to do something you immediately berate and curse him. Lifes not that bad trust me despite whatever probs youve got in your life it just needs approaching from a more positive angle abou
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8:42am Thu 12 Apr 12

parader no1 says...

Couldn`t put it better abou. Any investment is welcome as far as I am concerned. Typical of this site that anybody coming forward with possible help is berated and slagged off
Couldn`t put it better abou. Any investment is welcome as far as I am concerned. Typical of this site that anybody coming forward with possible help is berated and slagged off parader no1
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8:49am Thu 12 Apr 12

flashdonut says...

Some of these posts some up this city. Bantams are touching amateur football, The Bulls are close to penine league rugby. But lets not get investment because they don't like Galloway. I don't like the man, but I like my sport teams more.
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Biting tha nose to spite tha face.
Some of these posts some up this city. Bantams are touching amateur football, The Bulls are close to penine league rugby. But lets not get investment because they don't like Galloway. I don't like the man, but I like my sport teams more. . Biting tha nose to spite tha face. flashdonut
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8:49am Thu 12 Apr 12

bettyswollocks says...

I'd rather we bumbled along near the bottom of League 2 than become a vehicle for some middle eastern despot to launder money through.

Galloway is every negative stereotype you've ever heard about politicians rolled up into one. He's in it for himself and himself only, feeding his need for publicity at every turn.

I'm just glad I'm not in his constituency.
I'd rather we bumbled along near the bottom of League 2 than become a vehicle for some middle eastern despot to launder money through. Galloway is every negative stereotype you've ever heard about politicians rolled up into one. He's in it for himself and himself only, feeding his need for publicity at every turn. I'm just glad I'm not in his constituency. bettyswollocks
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8:50am Thu 12 Apr 12

Saltaire Bantam says...

Who exactly are George Galloways Middle Eastern friends?
One was Sadam Hussain who sadly is no longer with us. Another is Ismail Haniya, one of the leaders of Hamas.
I don't think they will pass the FA's fit and proper person test.
The only reason someone from the Middle East would buy Bradford City is so they can turn the stadium into a mosque.
Who exactly are George Galloways Middle Eastern friends? One was Sadam Hussain who sadly is no longer with us. Another is Ismail Haniya, one of the leaders of Hamas. I don't think they will pass the FA's fit and proper person test. The only reason someone from the Middle East would buy Bradford City is so they can turn the stadium into a mosque. Saltaire Bantam
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8:54am Thu 12 Apr 12

bullsinlancs says...

Do you seriously want me to believe this guy is for real??. Lets remember a couple of years ago this guy was on celebrity big brother looking for attention....Then he pops up in bradford and tells everyone what they want to hear and then portrays he is the saviour for the bulls and bantams...Come on guys wise up this guy is a self obsessed publicity hungry dreamer!!
Do you seriously want me to believe this guy is for real??. Lets remember a couple of years ago this guy was on celebrity big brother looking for attention....Then he pops up in bradford and tells everyone what they want to hear and then portrays he is the saviour for the bulls and bantams...Come on guys wise up this guy is a self obsessed publicity hungry dreamer!! bullsinlancs
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9:05am Thu 12 Apr 12

billybobbull says...

This man promises lots and delivers little. He promised Saddam Hussein a council bungalow in Bethnal Green and look what happened to him!

He's an attention seeker.
Of course if he can convince Sheihk Mansoor to sell up Man City and invest him billions on the Costa Del Bradford then great, but I think it is unlikely.

He may be best friends with President Assad of Syria who might want to impress the public of Bradford with his kind deeds and that would be great. We would definitely 'destroy' the opposition then!
This man promises lots and delivers little. He promised Saddam Hussein a council bungalow in Bethnal Green and look what happened to him! He's an attention seeker. Of course if he can convince Sheihk Mansoor to sell up Man City and invest him billions on the Costa Del Bradford then great, but I think it is unlikely. He may be best friends with President Assad of Syria who might want to impress the public of Bradford with his kind deeds and that would be great. We would definitely 'destroy' the opposition then! billybobbull
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9:09am Thu 12 Apr 12

shaun from richmond says...

ALEXIMO.56. wrote:
Georgie boy claims that City are in fincial difficulty. I can't remember the club announcing this.!! This man sounds like a propper clown. Like I mentioned in my earlier post, if he wants to help then he needs to get 10,000 of his voters to buy a s/tkt for next season and then keep well away.
"You didnt know City were in financial difficulty"????.....
....HAVE YOU BEEN IN A "COMA"??.
[quote][p][bold]ALEXIMO.56.[/bold] wrote: Georgie boy claims that City are in fincial difficulty. I can't remember the club announcing this.!! This man sounds like a propper clown. Like I mentioned in my earlier post, if he wants to help then he needs to get 10,000 of his voters to buy a s/tkt for next season and then keep well away.[/p][/quote]"You didnt know City were in financial difficulty"????..... ....HAVE YOU BEEN IN A "COMA"??. shaun from richmond
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9:18am Thu 12 Apr 12

Village Bantam says...

Absolutely shocking, the simple narrow minded views you see on here - are breath taking.

He's promised to help if he can and let's face it, we could do with a push in the right direction.

You've got Money Moguls taking over just about any p**s pot club and investing millions, Crawley being the latest to fly up divisions signing good players along the way - I mean come on, if they and their 30 fans can attract investment then why not City?
I wouldn't even call Crawley a town - cul-de-sac more like - yet they've got a billionaire owner from the Phillipines or somewhere like that.

As long as the investment is genuine and as long as the interests of the club are looked after, then bring it on.

The board wouldn't necessarily have to move out, it could be a cash injection or a third member or even to buy one of the Chairmen out.

There's a hundred different ways we could be boosted by investment but yet without knowing what that could possibly be - the majority are against it??????

Not every overseas investor is a Sasha Gaydamak or Minto Finance.

Let's have an open mind and see what, if anything, gets put forward first?
Absolutely shocking, the simple narrow minded views you see on here - are breath taking. He's promised to help if he can and let's face it, we could do with a push in the right direction. You've got Money Moguls taking over just about any p**s pot club and investing millions, Crawley being the latest to fly up divisions signing good players along the way - I mean come on, if they and their 30 fans can attract investment then why not City? I wouldn't even call Crawley a town - cul-de-sac more like - yet they've got a billionaire owner from the Phillipines or somewhere like that. As long as the investment is genuine and as long as the interests of the club are looked after, then bring it on. The board wouldn't necessarily have to move out, it could be a cash injection or a third member or even to buy one of the Chairmen out. There's a hundred different ways we could be boosted by investment but yet without knowing what that could possibly be - the majority are against it?????? Not every overseas investor is a Sasha Gaydamak or Minto Finance. Let's have an open mind and see what, if anything, gets put forward first? Village Bantam
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9:20am Thu 12 Apr 12

chillpill says...

For a polition he is brilliant, he has seen the plight of both clubs and is AGAIN saying all the right things before another election. Why the hell cant any other polition do the same? Galloway is at least giving the city some hope, where there was none before.
For a polition he is brilliant, he has seen the plight of both clubs and is AGAIN saying all the right things before another election. Why the hell cant any other polition do the same? Galloway is at least giving the city some hope, where there was none before. chillpill
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9:20am Thu 12 Apr 12

dan155 says...

Some people are seriously stubborn, the club is on the precipice of being relegated and going bust and they are not only willing to turn down help, but berate someone for trying to help them.
Some people are seriously stubborn, the club is on the precipice of being relegated and going bust and they are not only willing to turn down help, but berate someone for trying to help them. dan155
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9:21am Thu 12 Apr 12

Rambo says...

Remember Munto finance and Notts County? Blue Sky and Port Vale?
The last thing we want at BCFC (or maybe the Bulls) is to become the plaything of some fly-by-night investor who last week had never heard of Bradford.
Look at the state of the other teams with questionable foreign investment e.g. Portsmouth and Birmingham to name but two.
And then there are Man City and Chelsea. Unbelievably wealthy, but totally souless - ran more like the WWE than a football club.
Remember Munto finance and Notts County? Blue Sky and Port Vale? The last thing we want at BCFC (or maybe the Bulls) is to become the plaything of some fly-by-night investor who last week had never heard of Bradford. Look at the state of the other teams with questionable foreign investment e.g. Portsmouth and Birmingham to name but two. And then there are Man City and Chelsea. Unbelievably wealthy, but totally souless - ran more like the WWE than a football club. Rambo
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9:41am Thu 12 Apr 12

fabricator666 says...

Rambo,
I've been a Man City fan since 1975. I can assure you, it has far more soul than you can imagine, along with the most loyal fans in the land. It is nothing like WWE. A proper club in fact, run for the fans.
Good luck to City though, I hope they do find a saviour, but it won't be Galloway. He's just on his never ending ego trip
Rambo, I've been a Man City fan since 1975. I can assure you, it has far more soul than you can imagine, along with the most loyal fans in the land. It is nothing like WWE. A proper club in fact, run for the fans. Good luck to City though, I hope they do find a saviour, but it won't be Galloway. He's just on his never ending ego trip fabricator666
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9:41am Thu 12 Apr 12

BD16 says...

Rambo wrote:
Remember Munto finance and Notts County? Blue Sky and Port Vale? The last thing we want at BCFC (or maybe the Bulls) is to become the plaything of some fly-by-night investor who last week had never heard of Bradford. Look at the state of the other teams with questionable foreign investment e.g. Portsmouth and Birmingham to name but two. And then there are Man City and Chelsea. Unbelievably wealthy, but totally souless - ran more like the WWE than a football club.
Spot on Rambo.

I would welcome investment but I don't want somebody to just pour money into the club and we have a team of mercenaries in it for nothing but the huge wage packet. Football and Rugby clubs should be run as part of the community, that's why we follow them and it's what sets them apart from other businesses.
[quote][p][bold]Rambo[/bold] wrote: Remember Munto finance and Notts County? Blue Sky and Port Vale? The last thing we want at BCFC (or maybe the Bulls) is to become the plaything of some fly-by-night investor who last week had never heard of Bradford. Look at the state of the other teams with questionable foreign investment e.g. Portsmouth and Birmingham to name but two. And then there are Man City and Chelsea. Unbelievably wealthy, but totally souless - ran more like the WWE than a football club.[/p][/quote]Spot on Rambo. I would welcome investment but I don't want somebody to just pour money into the club and we have a team of mercenaries in it for nothing but the huge wage packet. Football and Rugby clubs should be run as part of the community, that's why we follow them and it's what sets them apart from other businesses. BD16
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9:48am Thu 12 Apr 12

theoutsider says...

Huh blooming ray ! at last this is exactley what this City needs. We dont need £25million slushed into the river gangees in front of City Hall, the hole in the middle of Bradford is going to be around for another decade, the Odeon will still be covered in plastic sheets ( until the wind comes in ) and Bradford is still going a be a god forsaken wasteland. So hats off to Georgeous for spotting the only route out of this mess - SPORT !. We need serious money into Valley Parade and Odsal ( maybe into one at the expense of the other ? ) and give people a reason to come into Bradford - a vibrant sporting scenes ticks all the boxes for that - who the dickens ( sorry Charles ) thought for one second that slushing £25 million quid into a duck pond in front of City Hall was a good idea ?. Well done George for coming up with exactley my thoughts and I have reasonable hope that with his 'contacts' that is not beyond his wit and wisdom to bring in an investor - Middle Eastern or otherwise. My advice to City and the Bulls get him on board. Any chance of getting the Speedway on the agenda George ?. Now thats an idea....
Huh blooming ray ! at last this is exactley what this City needs. We dont need £25million slushed into the river gangees in front of City Hall, the hole in the middle of Bradford is going to be around for another decade, the Odeon will still be covered in plastic sheets ( until the wind comes in ) and Bradford is still going a be a god forsaken wasteland. So hats off to Georgeous for spotting the only route out of this mess - SPORT !. We need serious money into Valley Parade and Odsal ( maybe into one at the expense of the other ? ) and give people a reason to come into Bradford - a vibrant sporting scenes ticks all the boxes for that - who the dickens ( sorry Charles ) thought for one second that slushing £25 million quid into a duck pond in front of City Hall was a good idea ?. Well done George for coming up with exactley my thoughts and I have reasonable hope that with his 'contacts' that is not beyond his wit and wisdom to bring in an investor - Middle Eastern or otherwise. My advice to City and the Bulls get him on board. Any chance of getting the Speedway on the agenda George ?. Now thats an idea.... theoutsider
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9:52am Thu 12 Apr 12

billybobbull says...

Let's have the conversation again this time next year and see what he has delivered !

If he can get a respectable backer who knows lots about Rugby league (and/or soccer)and can then convince that person not to invest, and divest including buying back the lease and selling it for land fill, then he might be worth a gamble.

That's a very big gamble. Only time will tell, as it has for many of his past ventures elswhere.

Read his history and decide for yourself if we want to be associated with him. He talks a very good game, but the proof is on the pitch. Now and in several years time.
Let's have the conversation again this time next year and see what he has delivered ! If he can get a respectable backer who knows lots about Rugby league (and/or soccer)and can then convince that person not to invest, and divest including buying back the lease and selling it for land fill, then he might be worth a gamble. That's a very big gamble. Only time will tell, as it has for many of his past ventures elswhere. Read his history and decide for yourself if we want to be associated with him. He talks a very good game, but the proof is on the pitch. Now and in several years time. billybobbull
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9:56am Thu 12 Apr 12

billybobbull says...

bullsinlancs wrote:
Do you seriously want me to believe this guy is for real??. Lets remember a couple of years ago this guy was on celebrity big brother looking for attention....Then he pops up in bradford and tells everyone what they want to hear and then portrays he is the saviour for the bulls and bantams...Come on guys wise up this guy is a self obsessed publicity hungry dreamer!!
Right again lancs!!!!
[quote][p][bold]bullsinlancs[/bold] wrote: Do you seriously want me to believe this guy is for real??. Lets remember a couple of years ago this guy was on celebrity big brother looking for attention....Then he pops up in bradford and tells everyone what they want to hear and then portrays he is the saviour for the bulls and bantams...Come on guys wise up this guy is a self obsessed publicity hungry dreamer!![/p][/quote]Right again lancs!!!! billybobbull
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10:00am Thu 12 Apr 12

murphyslaw says...

My money stays firmly in my pocket if I hear this traitor has ever set foot in Odsal. I will never forgive him for shaking the hand of Saddam and no self respecting BRITISH voter would ever vote for him. He has absolutely no influence anywhere in the world but is USED by others in their quest to bring down America and the west. I hope Mr Hood disassociates himself and the club from this traitor or he can whistle for his pledge money as far as I am concerned. I would rather the club fold than entertain this ( word withheld!!)
My money stays firmly in my pocket if I hear this traitor has ever set foot in Odsal. I will never forgive him for shaking the hand of Saddam and no self respecting BRITISH voter would ever vote for him. He has absolutely no influence anywhere in the world but is USED by others in their quest to bring down America and the west. I hope Mr Hood disassociates himself and the club from this traitor or he can whistle for his pledge money as far as I am concerned. I would rather the club fold than entertain this ( word withheld!!) murphyslaw
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10:02am Thu 12 Apr 12

murphyslaw says...

LET ME REMIND PEOPLE OUR YOUNG LADS HAVE GIVEN THEIR LIVES FOR OUR COUNTRY AND THIS **** SHOOK THE HAND OF THE DESPOT RESPONSIBLE.
LET ME REMIND PEOPLE OUR YOUNG LADS HAVE GIVEN THEIR LIVES FOR OUR COUNTRY AND THIS **** SHOOK THE HAND OF THE DESPOT RESPONSIBLE. murphyslaw
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10:10am Thu 12 Apr 12

ertnec says...

WHAT crap he speaks he is trying to get more votes for his party DO 1 no body wants you it, MONEY comes with underline dangers and hidden agenders DO 1 and BOG OFF.
WHAT crap he speaks he is trying to get more votes for his party DO 1 no body wants you it, MONEY comes with underline dangers and hidden agenders DO 1 and BOG OFF. ertnec
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10:12am Thu 12 Apr 12

dapiackle says...

murphyslaw wrote:
LET ME REMIND PEOPLE OUR YOUNG LADS HAVE GIVEN THEIR LIVES FOR OUR COUNTRY AND THIS **** SHOOK THE HAND OF THE DESPOT RESPONSIBLE.
The despots responsible for the Iraq war were Mr. Blair & Bush and their cronies, unless I missed something and there were in fact WMDs in Iraq and Saddam (installed and funded by the West, just like the Taliban) had in fact attacked us, and that he tried to harbour Al-Qaeda. A totally pointless and illegal war in a dreadful part of the world that wasn't worth one drop of any British serviceman's blood.
[quote][p][bold]murphyslaw[/bold] wrote: LET ME REMIND PEOPLE OUR YOUNG LADS HAVE GIVEN THEIR LIVES FOR OUR COUNTRY AND THIS **** SHOOK THE HAND OF THE DESPOT RESPONSIBLE.[/p][/quote]The despots responsible for the Iraq war were Mr. Blair & Bush and their cronies, unless I missed something and there were in fact WMDs in Iraq and Saddam (installed and funded by the West, just like the Taliban) had in fact attacked us, and that he tried to harbour Al-Qaeda. A totally pointless and illegal war in a dreadful part of the world that wasn't worth one drop of any British serviceman's blood. dapiackle
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10:17am Thu 12 Apr 12

Prisoner Cell Block A says...

chillpill wrote:
For a polition he is brilliant, he has seen the plight of both clubs and is AGAIN saying all the right things before another election. Why the hell cant any other polition do the same? Galloway is at least giving the city some hope, where there was none before.
He is doing what every politician does, you said it yourself 'SAYING ALL THE RIGHT THINGS'

I'm afraid I err on the side of caution when anything like this is ever mentioned. Someone from outside the football circle( not bad in itself) from outside the city (not bad in itself) is trying to win more support by promising unknown investment from unknown sources (starting to get dodgy) yet hasn't spoken to either the rugby or football club directly just a nice headline grabbing announcement which immediately does the job in grabbing approx 20k sport fans and forces them to hear the name George Galloway and see his tramp like mug alongside the headline.
[quote][p][bold]chillpill[/bold] wrote: For a polition he is brilliant, he has seen the plight of both clubs and is AGAIN saying all the right things before another election. Why the hell cant any other polition do the same? Galloway is at least giving the city some hope, where there was none before.[/p][/quote]He is doing what every politician does, you said it yourself 'SAYING ALL THE RIGHT THINGS' I'm afraid I err on the side of caution when anything like this is ever mentioned. Someone from outside the football circle( not bad in itself) from outside the city (not bad in itself) is trying to win more support by promising unknown investment from unknown sources (starting to get dodgy) yet hasn't spoken to either the rugby or football club directly just a nice headline grabbing announcement which immediately does the job in grabbing approx 20k sport fans and forces them to hear the name George Galloway and see his tramp like mug alongside the headline. Prisoner Cell Block A
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10:20am Thu 12 Apr 12

PTN says...

murphyslaw wrote:
LET ME REMIND PEOPLE OUR YOUNG LADS HAVE GIVEN THEIR LIVES FOR OUR COUNTRY AND THIS **** SHOOK THE HAND OF THE DESPOT RESPONSIBLE.
The same hand that Donald Rumsfield shook along with British Government officials. Just like Blair shook Gaddafis hand.
Fromn what i have read of him i have never heard him say anything bad about our troops whom he fully supports.What he does say is why are they being sent to their graves in the Middle East for a war that has nothing to do with us or our security but more to do with securing crude oil?
[quote][p][bold]murphyslaw[/bold] wrote: LET ME REMIND PEOPLE OUR YOUNG LADS HAVE GIVEN THEIR LIVES FOR OUR COUNTRY AND THIS **** SHOOK THE HAND OF THE DESPOT RESPONSIBLE.[/p][/quote]The same hand that Donald Rumsfield shook along with British Government officials. Just like Blair shook Gaddafis hand. Fromn what i have read of him i have never heard him say anything bad about our troops whom he fully supports.What he does say is why are they being sent to their graves in the Middle East for a war that has nothing to do with us or our security but more to do with securing crude oil? PTN
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10:22am Thu 12 Apr 12

Rambo says...

fabricator666 wrote:
Rambo,
I've been a Man City fan since 1975. I can assure you, it has far more soul than you can imagine, along with the most loyal fans in the land. It is nothing like WWE. A proper club in fact, run for the fans.
Good luck to City though, I hope they do find a saviour, but it won't be Galloway. He's just on his never ending ego trip
Well then you'll probably agree like Chelsea Man City had no chance of winning the league until the billionaires came along and started playing real-life Football Manager? Throwing money at anything like its small change, players on average 'wages' of £100k-250k a week.
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And let me have a wild guess here. Have Man City arranged a pre-season 'tour', probably somewhere in the Far-East, Im guessing China or Japan(aka, money making venture)?
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You'll turn into everything you hated at Man Utd - followed by millions of armchair fans at home and abroad who have no affinity or loyalty to anything to do with the club or Manchester.
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Going a bit further abroad, how about billionaire-owned Anzhi Makhachkala in Russia (whom Samuel Eto'o plays for and is on around £300k a week)... They're based in Dagestan but the players have to fly in from Moscow (1200 miles) for games due to security reasons.... If that isn't akin to WWE I don't know what is....
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I remember talking to another City fan I bumped into in the pub a few years ago, and Chelsea were on TV. He said this exactly whats wrong with English football - foreign owners, foreign players, foreign fans, foreign sponsors etc. None have little or any interest in any thing else except money or their egos. Forget the local area, forget the national team, its all business and nothing else.
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Like at last nights game at Wigan - the animated advertising boards were constantly playing in Asian languages and even promoting Man United in the far east this summer. People will say thats fine though, as its business. I think theres something wrong from a sporting perspective on so many levels.
[quote][p][bold]fabricator666[/bold] wrote: Rambo, I've been a Man City fan since 1975. I can assure you, it has far more soul than you can imagine, along with the most loyal fans in the land. It is nothing like WWE. A proper club in fact, run for the fans. Good luck to City though, I hope they do find a saviour, but it won't be Galloway. He's just on his never ending ego trip[/p][/quote]Well then you'll probably agree like Chelsea Man City had no chance of winning the league until the billionaires came along and started playing real-life Football Manager? Throwing money at anything like its small change, players on average 'wages' of £100k-250k a week. . And let me have a wild guess here. Have Man City arranged a pre-season 'tour', probably somewhere in the Far-East, Im guessing China or Japan(aka, money making venture)? . You'll turn into everything you hated at Man Utd - followed by millions of armchair fans at home and abroad who have no affinity or loyalty to anything to do with the club or Manchester. . Going a bit further abroad, how about billionaire-owned Anzhi Makhachkala in Russia (whom Samuel Eto'o plays for and is on around £300k a week)... They're based in Dagestan but the players have to fly in from Moscow (1200 miles) for games due to security reasons.... If that isn't akin to WWE I don't know what is.... . I remember talking to another City fan I bumped into in the pub a few years ago, and Chelsea were on TV. He said this exactly whats wrong with English football - foreign owners, foreign players, foreign fans, foreign sponsors etc. None have little or any interest in any thing else except money or their egos. Forget the local area, forget the national team, its all business and nothing else. . Like at last nights game at Wigan - the animated advertising boards were constantly playing in Asian languages and even promoting Man United in the far east this summer. People will say thats fine though, as its business. I think theres something wrong from a sporting perspective on so many levels. Rambo
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10:25am Thu 12 Apr 12

nowt fresh says...

dapiackle wrote:
murphyslaw wrote: LET ME REMIND PEOPLE OUR YOUNG LADS HAVE GIVEN THEIR LIVES FOR OUR COUNTRY AND THIS **** SHOOK THE HAND OF THE DESPOT RESPONSIBLE.
The despots responsible for the Iraq war were Mr. Blair & Bush and their cronies, unless I missed something and there were in fact WMDs in Iraq and Saddam (installed and funded by the West, just like the Taliban) had in fact attacked us, and that he tried to harbour Al-Qaeda. A totally pointless and illegal war in a dreadful part of the world that wasn't worth one drop of any British serviceman's blood.
Bang on the money (excuse the pun) dapiackle :-)
[quote][p][bold]dapiackle[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]murphyslaw[/bold] wrote: LET ME REMIND PEOPLE OUR YOUNG LADS HAVE GIVEN THEIR LIVES FOR OUR COUNTRY AND THIS **** SHOOK THE HAND OF THE DESPOT RESPONSIBLE.[/p][/quote]The despots responsible for the Iraq war were Mr. Blair & Bush and their cronies, unless I missed something and there were in fact WMDs in Iraq and Saddam (installed and funded by the West, just like the Taliban) had in fact attacked us, and that he tried to harbour Al-Qaeda. A totally pointless and illegal war in a dreadful part of the world that wasn't worth one drop of any British serviceman's blood.[/p][/quote]Bang on the money (excuse the pun) dapiackle :-) nowt fresh
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10:37am Thu 12 Apr 12

Banjaxed says...

murphyslaw wrote:
LET ME REMIND PEOPLE OUR YOUNG LADS HAVE GIVEN THEIR LIVES FOR OUR COUNTRY AND THIS **** SHOOK THE HAND OF THE DESPOT RESPONSIBLE.
I don't remember him shaking Tony Blair's hand...
[quote][p][bold]murphyslaw[/bold] wrote: LET ME REMIND PEOPLE OUR YOUNG LADS HAVE GIVEN THEIR LIVES FOR OUR COUNTRY AND THIS **** SHOOK THE HAND OF THE DESPOT RESPONSIBLE.[/p][/quote]I don't remember him shaking Tony Blair's hand... Banjaxed
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10:56am Thu 12 Apr 12

gspot01 says...

Yeah Galloway is a bit of a clown but if he can help then fair play.
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Fans moan that the team is poor, fans moan that ML & JR don't invest, fans moan that we should be playing better football blah blah blah........then galloway says he MAY be able to influence people to invest in the club and we read the above posts telling him to STAY AWAY FROM OUR CLUB!!!! These are the same people that moan that we have no money.......morons.
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No harm in having talks and discussion possibilities between the 3 of them.
Yeah Galloway is a bit of a clown but if he can help then fair play. . Fans moan that the team is poor, fans moan that ML & JR don't invest, fans moan that we should be playing better football blah blah blah........then galloway says he MAY be able to influence people to invest in the club and we read the above posts telling him to STAY AWAY FROM OUR CLUB!!!! These are the same people that moan that we have no money.......morons. . No harm in having talks and discussion possibilities between the 3 of them. gspot01
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10:57am Thu 12 Apr 12

sexysam says...

Looks like no matter what our elected MP does to help the City, there are still people who will never be happy.....so why not all of us just let our City sink into the shithole that it is according to some of the peoples views here
Looks like no matter what our elected MP does to help the City, there are still people who will never be happy.....so why not all of us just let our City sink into the shithole that it is according to some of the peoples views here sexysam
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11:14am Thu 12 Apr 12

BigFigure says...

gspot01 wrote:
Yeah Galloway is a bit of a clown but if he can help then fair play.
.
Fans moan that the team is poor, fans moan that ML & JR don't invest, fans moan that we should be playing better football blah blah blah........then galloway says he MAY be able to influence people to invest in the club and we read the above posts telling him to STAY AWAY FROM OUR CLUB!!!! These are the same people that moan that we have no money.......morons.
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No harm in having talks and discussion possibilities between the 3 of them.
Spot on,Mr Spot
[quote][p][bold]gspot01[/bold] wrote: Yeah Galloway is a bit of a clown but if he can help then fair play. . Fans moan that the team is poor, fans moan that ML & JR don't invest, fans moan that we should be playing better football blah blah blah........then galloway says he MAY be able to influence people to invest in the club and we read the above posts telling him to STAY AWAY FROM OUR CLUB!!!! These are the same people that moan that we have no money.......morons. . No harm in having talks and discussion possibilities between the 3 of them.[/p][/quote]Spot on,Mr Spot BigFigure
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11:15am Thu 12 Apr 12

stiflers mom says...

Fortunatly he wont be able to make the macclesfield game as he will be attending a public stoning on the site where manningham ward labour club used to stand !!!
Fortunatly he wont be able to make the macclesfield game as he will be attending a public stoning on the site where manningham ward labour club used to stand !!! stiflers mom
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11:15am Thu 12 Apr 12

SouthEastAsianBradfordian says...

I would let George Galloway help the 'Bulls' 100% but urge him to let 'City' sink to the bottomless pit where is deserves to be !

We should be thanking George for even speaking positive words and giving the people some sort of hope for this **** City!
I would let George Galloway help the 'Bulls' 100% but urge him to let 'City' sink to the bottomless pit where is deserves to be ! We should be thanking George for even speaking positive words and giving the people some sort of hope for this **** City! SouthEastAsianBradfordian
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11:19am Thu 12 Apr 12

BantamsRus says...

Peter Etherington, Mexican link-up, Belgium feeder club, Steve Parkin, Moving to Odsal, George Galloway… NEXT!
Peter Etherington, Mexican link-up, Belgium feeder club, Steve Parkin, Moving to Odsal, George Galloway… NEXT! BantamsRus
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11:23am Thu 12 Apr 12

harvey111 says...

be careful wot u write about GG, he's highly litigious... football is now an international business aswell as locally, so any investment i wud welcome
be careful wot u write about GG, he's highly litigious... football is now an international business aswell as locally, so any investment i wud welcome harvey111
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11:51am Thu 12 Apr 12

northyorksbantam says...

gspot01 wrote:
Yeah Galloway is a bit of a clown but if he can help then fair play. . Fans moan that the team is poor, fans moan that ML & JR don't invest, fans moan that we should be playing better football blah blah blah........then galloway says he MAY be able to influence people to invest in the club and we read the above posts telling him to STAY AWAY FROM OUR CLUB!!!! These are the same people that moan that we have no money.......morons. . No harm in having talks and discussion possibilities between the 3 of them.
I agree with that, why not give the man a chance and at least speak to him and see what he can offer. If he turns out to be all talk then he's no different to any other MP's and it will be remembered come voting time. Having said that did Sutcliffe ever mention BCFC or offer help, or Bradford council for that matter. The people running the City need a shake up and maybe Galloway is the man to do it, like him or not.
[quote][p][bold]gspot01[/bold] wrote: Yeah Galloway is a bit of a clown but if he can help then fair play. . Fans moan that the team is poor, fans moan that ML & JR don't invest, fans moan that we should be playing better football blah blah blah........then galloway says he MAY be able to influence people to invest in the club and we read the above posts telling him to STAY AWAY FROM OUR CLUB!!!! These are the same people that moan that we have no money.......morons. . No harm in having talks and discussion possibilities between the 3 of them.[/p][/quote]I agree with that, why not give the man a chance and at least speak to him and see what he can offer. If he turns out to be all talk then he's no different to any other MP's and it will be remembered come voting time. Having said that did Sutcliffe ever mention BCFC or offer help, or Bradford council for that matter. The people running the City need a shake up and maybe Galloway is the man to do it, like him or not. northyorksbantam
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12:05pm Thu 12 Apr 12

jackez20591 says...

Dunno what is wrong with some people.

We are stuck at the bottom of League 2 and in financial trouble. Money is the quickest thing that can get us up the leagues.

And George isnt going to buy us himself...., he is talking about finding middle eastern people and encouraging them to bid for us.
Dunno what is wrong with some people. We are stuck at the bottom of League 2 and in financial trouble. Money is the quickest thing that can get us up the leagues. And George isnt going to buy us himself...., he is talking about finding middle eastern people and encouraging them to bid for us. jackez20591
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12:16pm Thu 12 Apr 12

Oliver Twist says...

So if Galloway came up with someone who was willing to pump millions in we would turn our nose up ?? jeeeezzzzz the two clowns at City are doing a real fine job btw the owners at Man City where rejected by Liverpool and Newcastle mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm bet they regret it now
So if Galloway came up with someone who was willing to pump millions in we would turn our nose up ?? jeeeezzzzz the two clowns at City are doing a real fine job btw the owners at Man City where rejected by Liverpool and Newcastle mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm bet they regret it now Oliver Twist
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12:18pm Thu 12 Apr 12

Shelfrhino says...

He might change your name to the Taliban Taurean's, that might get a few more locals in.
He might change your name to the Taliban Taurean's, that might get a few more locals in. Shelfrhino
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12:24pm Thu 12 Apr 12

Saltaire Bantam says...

Will women be allowed in the stadium or will they have to sit in a separate area like they do in mosques?
Will women be allowed in the stadium or will they have to sit in a separate area like they do in mosques? Saltaire Bantam
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12:30pm Thu 12 Apr 12

FP says...

people on this thread are just so dim witted, they dont have have enough brains to pop a smartie. These are the same old goons who come on T&A everyday and find articles on which they can insult others anonymously.

Don't you get it?
This city is sinking fast!!!

To all those bigots slagging George Galloway off, get a grip will you and grow up.

This man shattered Labour in the elections beyond imagination. Something which the above bigoted pessimists have none of.

Just have some sense of vision in your lives for once. Things don't happen overnight. But, I hope and pray for the day when George has rescued many iconic landmarks beyond doom and destruction, something which this current council has been happy to see.

In conclusion, I am with you George, all the way as are many others. This is the not the beginning of the end, but merely the end of the beginning. You have answered Bradford distress calls... SOS
people on this thread are just so dim witted, they dont have have enough brains to pop a smartie. These are the same old goons who come on T&A everyday and find articles on which they can insult others anonymously. Don't you get it? This city is sinking fast!!! To all those bigots slagging George Galloway off, get a grip will you and grow up. This man shattered Labour in the elections beyond imagination. Something which the above bigoted pessimists have none of. Just have some sense of vision in your lives for once. Things don't happen overnight. But, I hope and pray for the day when George has rescued many iconic landmarks beyond doom and destruction, something which this current council has been happy to see. In conclusion, I am with you George, all the way as are many others. This is the not the beginning of the end, but merely the end of the beginning. You have answered Bradford distress calls... SOS FP
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12:39pm Thu 12 Apr 12

stiflers mom says...

FP wrote:
people on this thread are just so dim witted, they dont have have enough brains to pop a smartie. These are the same old goons who come on T&A everyday and find articles on which they can insult others anonymously. Don't you get it? This city is sinking fast!!! To all those bigots slagging George Galloway off, get a grip will you and grow up. This man shattered Labour in the elections beyond imagination. Something which the above bigoted pessimists have none of. Just have some sense of vision in your lives for once. Things don't happen overnight. But, I hope and pray for the day when George has rescued many iconic landmarks beyond doom and destruction, something which this current council has been happy to see. In conclusion, I am with you George, all the way as are many others. This is the not the beginning of the end, but merely the end of the beginning. You have answered Bradford distress calls... SOS
i take it if galloway was a bnp councillor you would be saying the same then.....eh
[quote][p][bold]FP[/bold] wrote: people on this thread are just so dim witted, they dont have have enough brains to pop a smartie. These are the same old goons who come on T&A everyday and find articles on which they can insult others anonymously. Don't you get it? This city is sinking fast!!! To all those bigots slagging George Galloway off, get a grip will you and grow up. This man shattered Labour in the elections beyond imagination. Something which the above bigoted pessimists have none of. Just have some sense of vision in your lives for once. Things don't happen overnight. But, I hope and pray for the day when George has rescued many iconic landmarks beyond doom and destruction, something which this current council has been happy to see. In conclusion, I am with you George, all the way as are many others. This is the not the beginning of the end, but merely the end of the beginning. You have answered Bradford distress calls... SOS[/p][/quote]i take it if galloway was a bnp councillor you would be saying the same then.....eh stiflers mom
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12:41pm Thu 12 Apr 12

lonniejockstrap says...

nowt fresh wrote:
dapiackle wrote:
murphyslaw wrote: LET ME REMIND PEOPLE OUR YOUNG LADS HAVE GIVEN THEIR LIVES FOR OUR COUNTRY AND THIS **** SHOOK THE HAND OF THE DESPOT RESPONSIBLE.
The despots responsible for the Iraq war were Mr. Blair & Bush and their cronies, unless I missed something and there were in fact WMDs in Iraq and Saddam (installed and funded by the West, just like the Taliban) had in fact attacked us, and that he tried to harbour Al-Qaeda. A totally pointless and illegal war in a dreadful part of the world that wasn't worth one drop of any British serviceman's blood.
Bang on the money (excuse the pun) dapiackle :-)
What we ALL need to stop doing is believing what politicians say without question. What we ALL need to start doing is searching below the superficial stories that are printed in the media about why we should invade or attack other countries around the World. Then, when we have used our Brain to THINK and understand the REAL reasons we can then chose to either agree or disagree with those REAL reasons for what is being done in our name.

Can anyone tell me why the Taliban were invited to Washington to discuss deals/contracts etc to run Gas and Oil pipes through Afghanistan if they were at that time, so unacceptable to the West?
Guess what happened to Afghanistan a short period of time after the Taliban refused to do the deals with the major Energy Corporations re the pipelines?

Why is the American Government trying it's damnedest to overthrow the Democratically elected president of Venezuela? Could it be something to do with Chavez trying to sell Oil based on the strength of the Euro instead of the Dollar?

What's the real reason that threats are being made to attack Iran? Could it be something to do with Iran trying to sell Oil based on the strength of the Euro instead of the Dollar as opposed to another threat of WMD?

Also, investigate what Saddam Hussein did as regards selling Oil based on the Euro and not the Dollar? Still haven't found those WMD's that threatened the West have we? Oh, and you might as well check on Tony Blair's ex-mate Gaddafi regarding Oil and the ditching of the Dollar.

At the end of your investigations you might agree or disagree as to why we had to go to War, it's up to you -it's a free country, unless of course the American Government doesn't agree with you. The important thing is this: at least you should have reduced the amount of brainwashing and propaganda that is controlling your thoughtsand be basing your support -or otherwise- for these Wars/Conflicts armed with more information.

Here is something to help you on your way:

The end of the Dollar by Ron Paul www.lewrockwell.com/
paul/paul303.html
[quote][p][bold]nowt fresh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dapiackle[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]murphyslaw[/bold] wrote: LET ME REMIND PEOPLE OUR YOUNG LADS HAVE GIVEN THEIR LIVES FOR OUR COUNTRY AND THIS **** SHOOK THE HAND OF THE DESPOT RESPONSIBLE.[/p][/quote]The despots responsible for the Iraq war were Mr. Blair & Bush and their cronies, unless I missed something and there were in fact WMDs in Iraq and Saddam (installed and funded by the West, just like the Taliban) had in fact attacked us, and that he tried to harbour Al-Qaeda. A totally pointless and illegal war in a dreadful part of the world that wasn't worth one drop of any British serviceman's blood.[/p][/quote]Bang on the money (excuse the pun) dapiackle :-)[/p][/quote]What we ALL need to stop doing is believing what politicians say without question. What we ALL need to start doing is searching below the superficial stories that are printed in the media about why we should invade or attack other countries around the World. Then, when we have used our Brain to THINK and understand the REAL reasons we can then chose to either agree or disagree with those REAL reasons for what is being done in our name. Can anyone tell me why the Taliban were invited to Washington to discuss deals/contracts etc to run Gas and Oil pipes through Afghanistan if they were at that time, so unacceptable to the West? Guess what happened to Afghanistan a short period of time after the Taliban refused to do the deals with the major Energy Corporations re the pipelines? Why is the American Government trying it's damnedest to overthrow the Democratically elected president of Venezuela? Could it be something to do with Chavez trying to sell Oil based on the strength of the Euro instead of the Dollar? What's the real reason that threats are being made to attack Iran? Could it be something to do with Iran trying to sell Oil based on the strength of the Euro instead of the Dollar as opposed to another threat of WMD? Also, investigate what Saddam Hussein did as regards selling Oil based on the Euro and not the Dollar? Still haven't found those WMD's that threatened the West have we? Oh, and you might as well check on Tony Blair's ex-mate Gaddafi regarding Oil and the ditching of the Dollar. At the end of your investigations you might agree or disagree as to why we had to go to War, it's up to you -it's a free country, unless of course the American Government doesn't agree with you. The important thing is this: at least you should have reduced the amount of brainwashing and propaganda that is controlling your thoughtsand be basing your support -or otherwise- for these Wars/Conflicts armed with more information. Here is something to help you on your way: The end of the Dollar by Ron Paul www.lewrockwell.com/ paul/paul303.html lonniejockstrap
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12:42pm Thu 12 Apr 12

tyker2 says...

like him or lump him but give him a chance. I admire this guy for telling it as it is on Iraq and Afghanistan. OUR BOYS ARE COMING BACK COLD AND FROZEN IN BOXES AT AN INCREASING RATE AND FOR WHAT? Have we achieved anything over that which occurred in the Afghan wars in the 19th century? THOUGHT NOT!!
like him or lump him but give him a chance. I admire this guy for telling it as it is on Iraq and Afghanistan. OUR BOYS ARE COMING BACK COLD AND FROZEN IN BOXES AT AN INCREASING RATE AND FOR WHAT? Have we achieved anything over that which occurred in the Afghan wars in the 19th century? THOUGHT NOT!! tyker2
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12:51pm Thu 12 Apr 12

total90 says...

I mentioned in my posting yesterday that something like this may happen. Those who express concerns about any possible money being pumped into City have good cause to be. No one in there right minds accepts money from anyone, at a personal level or a Club level, without knowing the motives of the person giving the money. I would preferr investment from some of our home grown millionaires interested in football, regardless of ethnicity, than monies from people who possibly want to play politics with our club and nation. I don't want our club to be a little disposable pawn in Mr Galloway's, local, national and global game. Some posters above are suggesting that some of us are being ridiculous at turning our backs on a possible life line, monies being thrown to us from a gift horse. I fear that Mr. Galloway is more a Trojan Horse than a gift horse. It might be a more constructive use of time for posters to suggest other possible investers. possibly organise ourselves in great numbers to write to them to see if they could help City financially. This would mean supporters becoming proactive and not waiting for the future of our club to be determined by others. The alternative is to give Respect and Mr. Galloway another means of obtaining the oxygen of media exposure he craves..
I mentioned in my posting yesterday that something like this may happen. Those who express concerns about any possible money being pumped into City have good cause to be. No one in there right minds accepts money from anyone, at a personal level or a Club level, without knowing the motives of the person giving the money. I would preferr investment from some of our home grown millionaires interested in football, regardless of ethnicity, than monies from people who possibly want to play politics with our club and nation. I don't want our club to be a little disposable pawn in Mr Galloway's, local, national and global game. Some posters above are suggesting that some of us are being ridiculous at turning our backs on a possible life line, monies being thrown to us from a gift horse. I fear that Mr. Galloway is more a Trojan Horse than a gift horse. It might be a more constructive use of time for posters to suggest other possible investers. possibly organise ourselves in great numbers to write to them to see if they could help City financially. This would mean supporters becoming proactive and not waiting for the future of our club to be determined by others. The alternative is to give Respect and Mr. Galloway another means of obtaining the oxygen of media exposure he craves.. total90
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12:54pm Thu 12 Apr 12

Rambo says...

And while we're talking about clubs with so much money they don't know what to do with it, heres a story from The Daily Mail (get over it) about what the games turning into...
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http://www.dailymail
.co.uk/news/article-
2128460/Mario-Balote
lli-Does-man-symboli
se-thats-wrong-Briti
sh-football.html
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Granted, he is an extreme case. But as a whole its getting worse. £10k of parking tickets? Oh I forgot, he gives money to homeless people on the street. The fact though is that people like him don't know the value of money and the highly privileged lifestyle that comes with it. Spoilt young man with more money than knows what to do with.
And while we're talking about clubs with so much money they don't know what to do with it, heres a story from The Daily Mail (get over it) about what the games turning into... . http://www.dailymail .co.uk/news/article- 2128460/Mario-Balote lli-Does-man-symboli se-thats-wrong-Briti sh-football.html . Granted, he is an extreme case. But as a whole its getting worse. £10k of parking tickets? Oh I forgot, he gives money to homeless people on the street. The fact though is that people like him don't know the value of money and the highly privileged lifestyle that comes with it. Spoilt young man with more money than knows what to do with. Rambo
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12:55pm Thu 12 Apr 12

pjbull says...

Personally I consider George Galloway to be a publicity-seeking opportunist (like many MPs in truth). However isn't it reasonable to judge him on his tenure as a Bradford MP? We ought to wait and see what he delivers for the City and, let's be honest, it is a City on its knees. We should come together to support each other to move this City forward.
Personally I consider George Galloway to be a publicity-seeking opportunist (like many MPs in truth). However isn't it reasonable to judge him on his tenure as a Bradford MP? We ought to wait and see what he delivers for the City and, let's be honest, it is a City on its knees. We should come together to support each other to move this City forward. pjbull
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1:15pm Thu 12 Apr 12

shaun from richmond says...

lonniejockstrap wrote:
nowt fresh wrote:
dapiackle wrote:
murphyslaw wrote: LET ME REMIND PEOPLE OUR YOUNG LADS HAVE GIVEN THEIR LIVES FOR OUR COUNTRY AND THIS **** SHOOK THE HAND OF THE DESPOT RESPONSIBLE.
The despots responsible for the Iraq war were Mr. Blair & Bush and their cronies, unless I missed something and there were in fact WMDs in Iraq and Saddam (installed and funded by the West, just like the Taliban) had in fact attacked us, and that he tried to harbour Al-Qaeda. A totally pointless and illegal war in a dreadful part of the world that wasn't worth one drop of any British serviceman's blood.
Bang on the money (excuse the pun) dapiackle :-)
What we ALL need to stop doing is believing what politicians say without question. What we ALL need to start doing is searching below the superficial stories that are printed in the media about why we should invade or attack other countries around the World. Then, when we have used our Brain to THINK and understand the REAL reasons we can then chose to either agree or disagree with those REAL reasons for what is being done in our name. Can anyone tell me why the Taliban were invited to Washington to discuss deals/contracts etc to run Gas and Oil pipes through Afghanistan if they were at that time, so unacceptable to the West? Guess what happened to Afghanistan a short period of time after the Taliban refused to do the deals with the major Energy Corporations re the pipelines? Why is the American Government trying it's damnedest to overthrow the Democratically elected president of Venezuela? Could it be something to do with Chavez trying to sell Oil based on the strength of the Euro instead of the Dollar? What's the real reason that threats are being made to attack Iran? Could it be something to do with Iran trying to sell Oil based on the strength of the Euro instead of the Dollar as opposed to another threat of WMD? Also, investigate what Saddam Hussein did as regards selling Oil based on the Euro and not the Dollar? Still haven't found those WMD's that threatened the West have we? Oh, and you might as well check on Tony Blair's ex-mate Gaddafi regarding Oil and the ditching of the Dollar. At the end of your investigations you might agree or disagree as to why we had to go to War, it's up to you -it's a free country, unless of course the American Government doesn't agree with you. The important thing is this: at least you should have reduced the amount of brainwashing and propaganda that is controlling your thoughtsand be basing your support -or otherwise- for these Wars/Conflicts armed with more information. Here is something to help you on your way: The end of the Dollar by Ron Paul www.lewrockwell.com/ paul/paul303.html
Blimey!!....Your "Off your long run today"!! Lonnie....
[quote][p][bold]lonniejockstrap[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nowt fresh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dapiackle[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]murphyslaw[/bold] wrote: LET ME REMIND PEOPLE OUR YOUNG LADS HAVE GIVEN THEIR LIVES FOR OUR COUNTRY AND THIS **** SHOOK THE HAND OF THE DESPOT RESPONSIBLE.[/p][/quote]The despots responsible for the Iraq war were Mr. Blair & Bush and their cronies, unless I missed something and there were in fact WMDs in Iraq and Saddam (installed and funded by the West, just like the Taliban) had in fact attacked us, and that he tried to harbour Al-Qaeda. A totally pointless and illegal war in a dreadful part of the world that wasn't worth one drop of any British serviceman's blood.[/p][/quote]Bang on the money (excuse the pun) dapiackle :-)[/p][/quote]What we ALL need to stop doing is believing what politicians say without question. What we ALL need to start doing is searching below the superficial stories that are printed in the media about why we should invade or attack other countries around the World. Then, when we have used our Brain to THINK and understand the REAL reasons we can then chose to either agree or disagree with those REAL reasons for what is being done in our name. Can anyone tell me why the Taliban were invited to Washington to discuss deals/contracts etc to run Gas and Oil pipes through Afghanistan if they were at that time, so unacceptable to the West? Guess what happened to Afghanistan a short period of time after the Taliban refused to do the deals with the major Energy Corporations re the pipelines? Why is the American Government trying it's damnedest to overthrow the Democratically elected president of Venezuela? Could it be something to do with Chavez trying to sell Oil based on the strength of the Euro instead of the Dollar? What's the real reason that threats are being made to attack Iran? Could it be something to do with Iran trying to sell Oil based on the strength of the Euro instead of the Dollar as opposed to another threat of WMD? Also, investigate what Saddam Hussein did as regards selling Oil based on the Euro and not the Dollar? Still haven't found those WMD's that threatened the West have we? Oh, and you might as well check on Tony Blair's ex-mate Gaddafi regarding Oil and the ditching of the Dollar. At the end of your investigations you might agree or disagree as to why we had to go to War, it's up to you -it's a free country, unless of course the American Government doesn't agree with you. The important thing is this: at least you should have reduced the amount of brainwashing and propaganda that is controlling your thoughtsand be basing your support -or otherwise- for these Wars/Conflicts armed with more information. Here is something to help you on your way: The end of the Dollar by Ron Paul www.lewrockwell.com/ paul/paul303.html[/p][/quote]Blimey!!....Your "Off your long run today"!! Lonnie.... shaun from richmond
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1:24pm Thu 12 Apr 12

gspot01 says...

lonniejockstrap wrote:
nowt fresh wrote:
dapiackle wrote:
murphyslaw wrote: LET ME REMIND PEOPLE OUR YOUNG LADS HAVE GIVEN THEIR LIVES FOR OUR COUNTRY AND THIS **** SHOOK THE HAND OF THE DESPOT RESPONSIBLE.
The despots responsible for the Iraq war were Mr. Blair & Bush and their cronies, unless I missed something and there were in fact WMDs in Iraq and Saddam (installed and funded by the West, just like the Taliban) had in fact attacked us, and that he tried to harbour Al-Qaeda. A totally pointless and illegal war in a dreadful part of the world that wasn't worth one drop of any British serviceman's blood.
Bang on the money (excuse the pun) dapiackle :-)
What we ALL need to stop doing is believing what politicians say without question. What we ALL need to start doing is searching below the superficial stories that are printed in the media about why we should invade or attack other countries around the World. Then, when we have used our Brain to THINK and understand the REAL reasons we can then chose to either agree or disagree with those REAL reasons for what is being done in our name. Can anyone tell me why the Taliban were invited to Washington to discuss deals/contracts etc to run Gas and Oil pipes through Afghanistan if they were at that time, so unacceptable to the West? Guess what happened to Afghanistan a short period of time after the Taliban refused to do the deals with the major Energy Corporations re the pipelines? Why is the American Government trying it's damnedest to overthrow the Democratically elected president of Venezuela? Could it be something to do with Chavez trying to sell Oil based on the strength of the Euro instead of the Dollar? What's the real reason that threats are being made to attack Iran? Could it be something to do with Iran trying to sell Oil based on the strength of the Euro instead of the Dollar as opposed to another threat of WMD? Also, investigate what Saddam Hussein did as regards selling Oil based on the Euro and not the Dollar? Still haven't found those WMD's that threatened the West have we? Oh, and you might as well check on Tony Blair's ex-mate Gaddafi regarding Oil and the ditching of the Dollar. At the end of your investigations you might agree or disagree as to why we had to go to War, it's up to you -it's a free country, unless of course the American Government doesn't agree with you. The important thing is this: at least you should have reduced the amount of brainwashing and propaganda that is controlling your thoughtsand be basing your support -or otherwise- for these Wars/Conflicts armed with more information. Here is something to help you on your way: The end of the Dollar by Ron Paul www.lewrockwell.com/ paul/paul303.html
eh?
[quote][p][bold]lonniejockstrap[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nowt fresh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dapiackle[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]murphyslaw[/bold] wrote: LET ME REMIND PEOPLE OUR YOUNG LADS HAVE GIVEN THEIR LIVES FOR OUR COUNTRY AND THIS **** SHOOK THE HAND OF THE DESPOT RESPONSIBLE.[/p][/quote]The despots responsible for the Iraq war were Mr. Blair & Bush and their cronies, unless I missed something and there were in fact WMDs in Iraq and Saddam (installed and funded by the West, just like the Taliban) had in fact attacked us, and that he tried to harbour Al-Qaeda. A totally pointless and illegal war in a dreadful part of the world that wasn't worth one drop of any British serviceman's blood.[/p][/quote]Bang on the money (excuse the pun) dapiackle :-)[/p][/quote]What we ALL need to stop doing is believing what politicians say without question. What we ALL need to start doing is searching below the superficial stories that are printed in the media about why we should invade or attack other countries around the World. Then, when we have used our Brain to THINK and understand the REAL reasons we can then chose to either agree or disagree with those REAL reasons for what is being done in our name. Can anyone tell me why the Taliban were invited to Washington to discuss deals/contracts etc to run Gas and Oil pipes through Afghanistan if they were at that time, so unacceptable to the West? Guess what happened to Afghanistan a short period of time after the Taliban refused to do the deals with the major Energy Corporations re the pipelines? Why is the American Government trying it's damnedest to overthrow the Democratically elected president of Venezuela? Could it be something to do with Chavez trying to sell Oil based on the strength of the Euro instead of the Dollar? What's the real reason that threats are being made to attack Iran? Could it be something to do with Iran trying to sell Oil based on the strength of the Euro instead of the Dollar as opposed to another threat of WMD? Also, investigate what Saddam Hussein did as regards selling Oil based on the Euro and not the Dollar? Still haven't found those WMD's that threatened the West have we? Oh, and you might as well check on Tony Blair's ex-mate Gaddafi regarding Oil and the ditching of the Dollar. At the end of your investigations you might agree or disagree as to why we had to go to War, it's up to you -it's a free country, unless of course the American Government doesn't agree with you. The important thing is this: at least you should have reduced the amount of brainwashing and propaganda that is controlling your thoughtsand be basing your support -or otherwise- for these Wars/Conflicts armed with more information. Here is something to help you on your way: The end of the Dollar by Ron Paul www.lewrockwell.com/ paul/paul303.html[/p][/quote]eh? gspot01
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1:28pm Thu 12 Apr 12

speakeroftruth says...

I have no problem with the mans religion at all.But I do think he changed his religion for votes but at the end of the dayu he is the only person who has so far expressed his desire apart from caisley to put funds but we saw what happened in the club when caisley was last in charge...
I have no problem with the mans religion at all.But I do think he changed his religion for votes but at the end of the dayu he is the only person who has so far expressed his desire apart from caisley to put funds but we saw what happened in the club when caisley was last in charge... speakeroftruth
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1:44pm Thu 12 Apr 12

BierleyBoy says...

The most surprising thing I read was the headline describing George Galloway as a political heavyweight!
He is so committed to Bradford that he was in Holland the day after the election getting married yet again to another Muslim woman. This man has no interest in Bradford other than to use it to further his own agenda, which serves only himself and his Islamic paymasters. it's election time & he is electioneering. Don't be fooled by empty words, simply look at his total failure to achieve anything in any of his previous incarnations. Peter Hood should not have let this man through the door in Bradford South, he is a complete fool for doing so & I will never spend another penny watching the Bradford Bulls as a result. I'd urge the Bantams to keep him at a distance too. Anyone who wants to find out what a liar, hypocrite & self publicising egotist George Galloway is simply has to tour any search engine or video sharing website. This man is pure poison & will only serve to take Bradford down with him.
I also find it very interesting that Dawud Islam who stood for the Green party on the 30th March was, by the 4th April nomination deadline, put forward as the Respect Party candidate for Clayton & Fairweather Green. George Galloway was so desperate to fulfil his laughingly false boasts of fielding a candidate in all 30 wards in Bradford he's offering all & sundry the Respect ticket. 12 out of 30 isn't bad, with 9 of 12 being Muslim candidates.
The most surprising thing I read was the headline describing George Galloway as a political heavyweight! He is so committed to Bradford that he was in Holland the day after the election getting married yet again to another Muslim woman. This man has no interest in Bradford other than to use it to further his own agenda, which serves only himself and his Islamic paymasters. it's election time & he is electioneering. Don't be fooled by empty words, simply look at his total failure to achieve anything in any of his previous incarnations. Peter Hood should not have let this man through the door in Bradford South, he is a complete fool for doing so & I will never spend another penny watching the Bradford Bulls as a result. I'd urge the Bantams to keep him at a distance too. Anyone who wants to find out what a liar, hypocrite & self publicising egotist George Galloway is simply has to tour any search engine or video sharing website. This man is pure poison & will only serve to take Bradford down with him. I also find it very interesting that Dawud Islam who stood for the Green party on the 30th March was, by the 4th April nomination deadline, put forward as the Respect Party candidate for Clayton & Fairweather Green. George Galloway was so desperate to fulfil his laughingly false boasts of fielding a candidate in all 30 wards in Bradford he's offering all & sundry the Respect ticket. 12 out of 30 isn't bad, with 9 of 12 being Muslim candidates. BierleyBoy
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2:18pm Thu 12 Apr 12

Babbsy says...

What is up with people? We have incompetent people at the top at both Valley Parade and Odsal, and people are turning their noses up at potential club transforming amounts of money that could see both re-emerge as forces in their respective sports after years of decline. I was far from Mr Galloway's biggest fan, but if he can help bring an end to the last 11 years of misery I've had to endure at Valley Parade he'll get my vote for the next ten years. If he can help bring to an end the 11 year disgrace that have also been Westfield and the Odeon too he'll get my vote for life and I'll also end up loving this man. he's high profile and he's the only person who's walked into this City in a decade who's wanted to change it's prospects rather than either sweeping the problems under the carpet, or leaving at the first available opportunity. We can only hope all this promise won't prove to be a false dawn, but ath the moment the mere fact that the disgrace that is Westfied and the Odeon are now in the National concious, which is more than has happend in all that time. The Country usually just closes it's eyes and pretends Bradford isn't there usually.
What is up with people? We have incompetent people at the top at both Valley Parade and Odsal, and people are turning their noses up at potential club transforming amounts of money that could see both re-emerge as forces in their respective sports after years of decline. I was far from Mr Galloway's biggest fan, but if he can help bring an end to the last 11 years of misery I've had to endure at Valley Parade he'll get my vote for the next ten years. If he can help bring to an end the 11 year disgrace that have also been Westfield and the Odeon too he'll get my vote for life and I'll also end up loving this man. he's high profile and he's the only person who's walked into this City in a decade who's wanted to change it's prospects rather than either sweeping the problems under the carpet, or leaving at the first available opportunity. We can only hope all this promise won't prove to be a false dawn, but ath the moment the mere fact that the disgrace that is Westfied and the Odeon are now in the National concious, which is more than has happend in all that time. The Country usually just closes it's eyes and pretends Bradford isn't there usually. Babbsy
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2:19pm Thu 12 Apr 12

roofie321 says...

Remember this is the bloke that during his campaign said he didn't drink and when he won the election put on twitter it was great winning and representing Blackburn
Remember this is the bloke that during his campaign said he didn't drink and when he won the election put on twitter it was great winning and representing Blackburn roofie321
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2:29pm Thu 12 Apr 12

Babbsy says...

George Galloway for President.
George Galloway for President. Babbsy
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2:29pm Thu 12 Apr 12

flashdonut says...

lonniejockstrap wrote:
nowt fresh wrote:
dapiackle wrote:
murphyslaw wrote: LET ME REMIND PEOPLE OUR YOUNG LADS HAVE GIVEN THEIR LIVES FOR OUR COUNTRY AND THIS **** SHOOK THE HAND OF THE DESPOT RESPONSIBLE.
The despots responsible for the Iraq war were Mr. Blair & Bush and their cronies, unless I missed something and there were in fact WMDs in Iraq and Saddam (installed and funded by the West, just like the Taliban) had in fact attacked us, and that he tried to harbour Al-Qaeda. A totally pointless and illegal war in a dreadful part of the world that wasn't worth one drop of any British serviceman's blood.
Bang on the money (excuse the pun) dapiackle :-)
What we ALL need to stop doing is believing what politicians say without question. What we ALL need to start doing is searching below the superficial stories that are printed in the media about why we should invade or attack other countries around the World. Then, when we have used our Brain to THINK and understand the REAL reasons we can then chose to either agree or disagree with those REAL reasons for what is being done in our name.

Can anyone tell me why the Taliban were invited to Washington to discuss deals/contracts etc to run Gas and Oil pipes through Afghanistan if they were at that time, so unacceptable to the West?
Guess what happened to Afghanistan a short period of time after the Taliban refused to do the deals with the major Energy Corporations re the pipelines?

Why is the American Government trying it's damnedest to overthrow the Democratically elected president of Venezuela? Could it be something to do with Chavez trying to sell Oil based on the strength of the Euro instead of the Dollar?

What's the real reason that threats are being made to attack Iran? Could it be something to do with Iran trying to sell Oil based on the strength of the Euro instead of the Dollar as opposed to another threat of WMD?

Also, investigate what Saddam Hussein did as regards selling Oil based on the Euro and not the Dollar? Still haven't found those WMD's that threatened the West have we? Oh, and you might as well check on Tony Blair's ex-mate Gaddafi regarding Oil and the ditching of the Dollar.

At the end of your investigations you might agree or disagree as to why we had to go to War, it's up to you -it's a free country, unless of course the American Government doesn't agree with you. The important thing is this: at least you should have reduced the amount of brainwashing and propaganda that is controlling your thoughtsand be basing your support -or otherwise- for these Wars/Conflicts armed with more information.

Here is something to help you on your way:

The end of the Dollar by Ron Paul www.lewrockwell.com/

paul/paul303.html
What the?
.
Bit too deep for most folk. I just want to win the Challenge Cup again.
.
Wemberleeeeeey, Wemberleeeeeey, we're the famous Bradford Bulls and we're going to Wemberleeeeeeeey.
[quote][p][bold]lonniejockstrap[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nowt fresh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dapiackle[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]murphyslaw[/bold] wrote: LET ME REMIND PEOPLE OUR YOUNG LADS HAVE GIVEN THEIR LIVES FOR OUR COUNTRY AND THIS **** SHOOK THE HAND OF THE DESPOT RESPONSIBLE.[/p][/quote]The despots responsible for the Iraq war were Mr. Blair & Bush and their cronies, unless I missed something and there were in fact WMDs in Iraq and Saddam (installed and funded by the West, just like the Taliban) had in fact attacked us, and that he tried to harbour Al-Qaeda. A totally pointless and illegal war in a dreadful part of the world that wasn't worth one drop of any British serviceman's blood.[/p][/quote]Bang on the money (excuse the pun) dapiackle :-)[/p][/quote]What we ALL need to stop doing is believing what politicians say without question. What we ALL need to start doing is searching below the superficial stories that are printed in the media about why we should invade or attack other countries around the World. Then, when we have used our Brain to THINK and understand the REAL reasons we can then chose to either agree or disagree with those REAL reasons for what is being done in our name. Can anyone tell me why the Taliban were invited to Washington to discuss deals/contracts etc to run Gas and Oil pipes through Afghanistan if they were at that time, so unacceptable to the West? Guess what happened to Afghanistan a short period of time after the Taliban refused to do the deals with the major Energy Corporations re the pipelines? Why is the American Government trying it's damnedest to overthrow the Democratically elected president of Venezuela? Could it be something to do with Chavez trying to sell Oil based on the strength of the Euro instead of the Dollar? What's the real reason that threats are being made to attack Iran? Could it be something to do with Iran trying to sell Oil based on the strength of the Euro instead of the Dollar as opposed to another threat of WMD? Also, investigate what Saddam Hussein did as regards selling Oil based on the Euro and not the Dollar? Still haven't found those WMD's that threatened the West have we? Oh, and you might as well check on Tony Blair's ex-mate Gaddafi regarding Oil and the ditching of the Dollar. At the end of your investigations you might agree or disagree as to why we had to go to War, it's up to you -it's a free country, unless of course the American Government doesn't agree with you. The important thing is this: at least you should have reduced the amount of brainwashing and propaganda that is controlling your thoughtsand be basing your support -or otherwise- for these Wars/Conflicts armed with more information. Here is something to help you on your way: The end of the Dollar by Ron Paul www.lewrockwell.com/ paul/paul303.html[/p][/quote]What the? . Bit too deep for most folk. I just want to win the Challenge Cup again. . Wemberleeeeeey, Wemberleeeeeey, we're the famous Bradford Bulls and we're going to Wemberleeeeeeeey. flashdonut
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3:36pm Thu 12 Apr 12

bartsbull says...

Any one who can help to regenerate our two clubs is going in the right direction for me

Even the publicity only will help generare interest lets all be positive for once

I for one would like to see both our major sports club fighting for honours .

This generates interest from sponsers and helps to regenerate the city which does need a kick up the rear
Any one who can help to regenerate our two clubs is going in the right direction for me Even the publicity only will help generare interest lets all be positive for once I for one would like to see both our major sports club fighting for honours . This generates interest from sponsers and helps to regenerate the city which does need a kick up the rear bartsbull
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3:49pm Thu 12 Apr 12

lonniejockstrap says...

Maybe GG could also have a chat with Steve Parking? SP seemed interested in joining the two Clubs together to form a type of Sporting Club/'community' GG and the Respect Party are about bringing Communities together through mutual respect etc. Seems there are some similarities of Vision here?
Maybe GG could also have a chat with Steve Parking? SP seemed interested in joining the two Clubs together to form a type of Sporting Club/'community' GG and the Respect Party are about bringing Communities together through mutual respect etc. Seems there are some similarities of Vision here? lonniejockstrap
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3:57pm Thu 12 Apr 12

BD16 says...

lonniejockstrap wrote:
Maybe GG could also have a chat with Steve Parking? SP seemed interested in joining the two Clubs together to form a type of Sporting Club/'community' GG and the Respect Party are about bringing Communities together through mutual respect etc. Seems there are some similarities of Vision here?
Wasn't Parkin only interested in moving the Bulls to VP and flogging Odsal for a big profit? I don't know that for certain but that was always the impression that he gave me.
[quote][p][bold]lonniejockstrap[/bold] wrote: Maybe GG could also have a chat with Steve Parking? SP seemed interested in joining the two Clubs together to form a type of Sporting Club/'community' GG and the Respect Party are about bringing Communities together through mutual respect etc. Seems there are some similarities of Vision here?[/p][/quote]Wasn't Parkin only interested in moving the Bulls to VP and flogging Odsal for a big profit? I don't know that for certain but that was always the impression that he gave me. BD16
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4:01pm Thu 12 Apr 12

Dale Martin says...

flashdonut wrote:
lonniejockstrap wrote:
nowt fresh wrote:
dapiackle wrote:
murphyslaw wrote: LET ME REMIND PEOPLE OUR YOUNG LADS HAVE GIVEN THEIR LIVES FOR OUR COUNTRY AND THIS **** SHOOK THE HAND OF THE DESPOT RESPONSIBLE.
The despots responsible for the Iraq war were Mr. Blair & Bush and their cronies, unless I missed something and there were in fact WMDs in Iraq and Saddam (installed and funded by the West, just like the Taliban) had in fact attacked us, and that he tried to harbour Al-Qaeda. A totally pointless and illegal war in a dreadful part of the world that wasn't worth one drop of any British serviceman's blood.
Bang on the money (excuse the pun) dapiackle :-)
What we ALL need to stop doing is believing what politicians say without question. What we ALL need to start doing is searching below the superficial stories that are printed in the media about why we should invade or attack other countries around the World. Then, when we have used our Brain to THINK and understand the REAL reasons we can then chose to either agree or disagree with those REAL reasons for what is being done in our name.

Can anyone tell me why the Taliban were invited to Washington to discuss deals/contracts etc to run Gas and Oil pipes through Afghanistan if they were at that time, so unacceptable to the West?
Guess what happened to Afghanistan a short period of time after the Taliban refused to do the deals with the major Energy Corporations re the pipelines?

Why is the American Government trying it's damnedest to overthrow the Democratically elected president of Venezuela? Could it be something to do with Chavez trying to sell Oil based on the strength of the Euro instead of the Dollar?

What's the real reason that threats are being made to attack Iran? Could it be something to do with Iran trying to sell Oil based on the strength of the Euro instead of the Dollar as opposed to another threat of WMD?

Also, investigate what Saddam Hussein did as regards selling Oil based on the Euro and not the Dollar? Still haven't found those WMD's that threatened the West have we? Oh, and you might as well check on Tony Blair's ex-mate Gaddafi regarding Oil and the ditching of the Dollar.

At the end of your investigations you might agree or disagree as to why we had to go to War, it's up to you -it's a free country, unless of course the American Government doesn't agree with you. The important thing is this: at least you should have reduced the amount of brainwashing and propaganda that is controlling your thoughtsand be basing your support -or otherwise- for these Wars/Conflicts armed with more information.

Here is something to help you on your way:

The end of the Dollar by Ron Paul www.lewrockwell.com/


paul/paul303.html
What the?
.
Bit too deep for most folk. I just want to win the Challenge Cup again.
.
Wemberleeeeeey, Wemberleeeeeey, we're the famous Bradford Bulls and we're going to Wemberleeeeeeeey.
It`s frightening how such a large majority of society has been brainwashed and dumbed down into sheepish unquestioning obedience.

Our government spends tens of billions of our money on insane wars generated by lies and it`s too deep for you, millions die in these wars, thousands of them our own soldiers and sent there for what?,,,, and its too deep for you, we are shaping a world that is moving toward its own destruction which will affect you, your family and all around,,,, but it`s too deep for you, too deep for you, too deep for you,,,, ad infinitum.

Except of course "the famous Bradford Bulls", there will be no limit to the depth you plunge yourself into with that one, even though whether they win or lose, survive the financial problems or collapse and disappear it will in the end make absolutely no real or tangible difference to your life at all, just a game of sport that determines nothing, changes nothing and means in the end ultimately nothing at all,,,,, But maybe its too deep for you to understand that also.
[quote][p][bold]flashdonut[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lonniejockstrap[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nowt fresh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dapiackle[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]murphyslaw[/bold] wrote: LET ME REMIND PEOPLE OUR YOUNG LADS HAVE GIVEN THEIR LIVES FOR OUR COUNTRY AND THIS **** SHOOK THE HAND OF THE DESPOT RESPONSIBLE.[/p][/quote]The despots responsible for the Iraq war were Mr. Blair & Bush and their cronies, unless I missed something and there were in fact WMDs in Iraq and Saddam (installed and funded by the West, just like the Taliban) had in fact attacked us, and that he tried to harbour Al-Qaeda. A totally pointless and illegal war in a dreadful part of the world that wasn't worth one drop of any British serviceman's blood.[/p][/quote]Bang on the money (excuse the pun) dapiackle :-)[/p][/quote]What we ALL need to stop doing is believing what politicians say without question. What we ALL need to start doing is searching below the superficial stories that are printed in the media about why we should invade or attack other countries around the World. Then, when we have used our Brain to THINK and understand the REAL reasons we can then chose to either agree or disagree with those REAL reasons for what is being done in our name. Can anyone tell me why the Taliban were invited to Washington to discuss deals/contracts etc to run Gas and Oil pipes through Afghanistan if they were at that time, so unacceptable to the West? Guess what happened to Afghanistan a short period of time after the Taliban refused to do the deals with the major Energy Corporations re the pipelines? Why is the American Government trying it's damnedest to overthrow the Democratically elected president of Venezuela? Could it be something to do with Chavez trying to sell Oil based on the strength of the Euro instead of the Dollar? What's the real reason that threats are being made to attack Iran? Could it be something to do with Iran trying to sell Oil based on the strength of the Euro instead of the Dollar as opposed to another threat of WMD? Also, investigate what Saddam Hussein did as regards selling Oil based on the Euro and not the Dollar? Still haven't found those WMD's that threatened the West have we? Oh, and you might as well check on Tony Blair's ex-mate Gaddafi regarding Oil and the ditching of the Dollar. At the end of your investigations you might agree or disagree as to why we had to go to War, it's up to you -it's a free country, unless of course the American Government doesn't agree with you. The important thing is this: at least you should have reduced the amount of brainwashing and propaganda that is controlling your thoughtsand be basing your support -or otherwise- for these Wars/Conflicts armed with more information. Here is something to help you on your way: The end of the Dollar by Ron Paul www.lewrockwell.com/ paul/paul303.html[/p][/quote]What the? . Bit too deep for most folk. I just want to win the Challenge Cup again. . Wemberleeeeeey, Wemberleeeeeey, we're the famous Bradford Bulls and we're going to Wemberleeeeeeeey.[/p][/quote]It`s frightening how such a large majority of society has been brainwashed and dumbed down into sheepish unquestioning obedience. Our government spends tens of billions of our money on insane wars generated by lies and it`s too deep for you, millions die in these wars, thousands of them our own soldiers and sent there for what?,,,, and its too deep for you, we are shaping a world that is moving toward its own destruction which will affect you, your family and all around,,,, but it`s too deep for you, too deep for you, too deep for you,,,, ad infinitum. Except of course "the famous Bradford Bulls", there will be no limit to the depth you plunge yourself into with that one, even though whether they win or lose, survive the financial problems or collapse and disappear it will in the end make absolutely no real or tangible difference to your life at all, just a game of sport that determines nothing, changes nothing and means in the end ultimately nothing at all,,,,, But maybe its too deep for you to understand that also. Dale Martin
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4:07pm Thu 12 Apr 12

Prisoner Cell Block A says...

Rambo wrote:
fabricator666 wrote:
Rambo,
I've been a Man City fan since 1975. I can assure you, it has far more soul than you can imagine, along with the most loyal fans in the land. It is nothing like WWE. A proper club in fact, run for the fans.
Good luck to City though, I hope they do find a saviour, but it won't be Galloway. He's just on his never ending ego trip
Well then you'll probably agree like Chelsea Man City had no chance of winning the league until the billionaires came along and started playing real-life Football Manager? Throwing money at anything like its small change, players on average 'wages' of £100k-250k a week.
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And let me have a wild guess here. Have Man City arranged a pre-season 'tour', probably somewhere in the Far-East, Im guessing China or Japan(aka, money making venture)?
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You'll turn into everything you hated at Man Utd - followed by millions of armchair fans at home and abroad who have no affinity or loyalty to anything to do with the club or Manchester.
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Going a bit further abroad, how about billionaire-owned Anzhi Makhachkala in Russia (whom Samuel Eto'o plays for and is on around £300k a week)... They're based in Dagestan but the players have to fly in from Moscow (1200 miles) for games due to security reasons.... If that isn't akin to WWE I don't know what is....
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I remember talking to another City fan I bumped into in the pub a few years ago, and Chelsea were on TV. He said this exactly whats wrong with English football - foreign owners, foreign players, foreign fans, foreign sponsors etc. None have little or any interest in any thing else except money or their egos. Forget the local area, forget the national team, its all business and nothing else.
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Like at last nights game at Wigan - the animated advertising boards were constantly playing in Asian languages and even promoting Man United in the far east this summer. People will say thats fine though, as its business. I think theres something wrong from a sporting perspective on so many levels.
This is about the only post I fully agree with.

I do hear what lonnie is saying and the oil barrell sale is a major influence on all the world's problems. This doesn't cloud my judgement as regards BCAFC and I would not welcome any foreign investment for much the same reasons as Rambo has stated above.
[quote][p][bold]Rambo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fabricator666[/bold] wrote: Rambo, I've been a Man City fan since 1975. I can assure you, it has far more soul than you can imagine, along with the most loyal fans in the land. It is nothing like WWE. A proper club in fact, run for the fans. Good luck to City though, I hope they do find a saviour, but it won't be Galloway. He's just on his never ending ego trip[/p][/quote]Well then you'll probably agree like Chelsea Man City had no chance of winning the league until the billionaires came along and started playing real-life Football Manager? Throwing money at anything like its small change, players on average 'wages' of £100k-250k a week. . And let me have a wild guess here. Have Man City arranged a pre-season 'tour', probably somewhere in the Far-East, Im guessing China or Japan(aka, money making venture)? . You'll turn into everything you hated at Man Utd - followed by millions of armchair fans at home and abroad who have no affinity or loyalty to anything to do with the club or Manchester. . Going a bit further abroad, how about billionaire-owned Anzhi Makhachkala in Russia (whom Samuel Eto'o plays for and is on around £300k a week)... They're based in Dagestan but the players have to fly in from Moscow (1200 miles) for games due to security reasons.... If that isn't akin to WWE I don't know what is.... . I remember talking to another City fan I bumped into in the pub a few years ago, and Chelsea were on TV. He said this exactly whats wrong with English football - foreign owners, foreign players, foreign fans, foreign sponsors etc. None have little or any interest in any thing else except money or their egos. Forget the local area, forget the national team, its all business and nothing else. . Like at last nights game at Wigan - the animated advertising boards were constantly playing in Asian languages and even promoting Man United in the far east this summer. People will say thats fine though, as its business. I think theres something wrong from a sporting perspective on so many levels.[/p][/quote]This is about the only post I fully agree with. I do hear what lonnie is saying and the oil barrell sale is a major influence on all the world's problems. This doesn't cloud my judgement as regards BCAFC and I would not welcome any foreign investment for much the same reasons as Rambo has stated above. Prisoner Cell Block A
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4:08pm Thu 12 Apr 12

BierleyBoy says...

Babbsy wrote:
What is up with people? We have incompetent people at the top at both Valley Parade and Odsal, and people are turning their noses up at potential club transforming amounts of money that could see both re-emerge as forces in their respective sports after years of decline. I was far from Mr Galloway's biggest fan, but if he can help bring an end to the last 11 years of misery I've had to endure at Valley Parade he'll get my vote for the next ten years. If he can help bring to an end the 11 year disgrace that have also been Westfield and the Odeon too he'll get my vote for life and I'll also end up loving this man. he's high profile and he's the only person who's walked into this City in a decade who's wanted to change it's prospects rather than either sweeping the problems under the carpet, or leaving at the first available opportunity. We can only hope all this promise won't prove to be a false dawn, but ath the moment the mere fact that the disgrace that is Westfied and the Odeon are now in the National concious, which is more than has happend in all that time. The Country usually just closes it's eyes and pretends Bradford isn't there usually.
Local issues in Bradford aren't in the national conscience. George Galloway temporarily is. He's already fallen well short on one boast he made on election night. if you think Respect are bothered about Bradford, just look at the complete lack of local issues, campaign pledges or election information on this Respect election leaflet. http://sarahcartinre
spect.files.wordpres
s.com/2012/04/flyer-
full-res.jpg

Galloway is simply using Bradford as a platform for his own ego trip. Don't be fooled, he'll be out of here before too long.
[quote][p][bold]Babbsy[/bold] wrote: What is up with people? We have incompetent people at the top at both Valley Parade and Odsal, and people are turning their noses up at potential club transforming amounts of money that could see both re-emerge as forces in their respective sports after years of decline. I was far from Mr Galloway's biggest fan, but if he can help bring an end to the last 11 years of misery I've had to endure at Valley Parade he'll get my vote for the next ten years. If he can help bring to an end the 11 year disgrace that have also been Westfield and the Odeon too he'll get my vote for life and I'll also end up loving this man. he's high profile and he's the only person who's walked into this City in a decade who's wanted to change it's prospects rather than either sweeping the problems under the carpet, or leaving at the first available opportunity. We can only hope all this promise won't prove to be a false dawn, but ath the moment the mere fact that the disgrace that is Westfied and the Odeon are now in the National concious, which is more than has happend in all that time. The Country usually just closes it's eyes and pretends Bradford isn't there usually.[/p][/quote]Local issues in Bradford aren't in the national conscience. George Galloway temporarily is. He's already fallen well short on one boast he made on election night. if you think Respect are bothered about Bradford, just look at the complete lack of local issues, campaign pledges or election information on this Respect election leaflet. http://sarahcartinre spect.files.wordpres s.com/2012/04/flyer- full-res.jpg Galloway is simply using Bradford as a platform for his own ego trip. Don't be fooled, he'll be out of here before too long. BierleyBoy
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4:26pm Thu 12 Apr 12

Rambo says...

Prisoner Cell Block A -
Cheers. Theres much more to the argument of investment than just "I don't like them bloody Arabs", and "It's money so lets have it".
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The first thing GG could do is look at the absolute basics - ie. rebuilding the clubs (both of them) reputations in the community amongst fans and businesses and getting the local Bradford community to back them first rather than looking for money elsewhere.
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A good point I read the other day is that lower league football teams (like BCFC) currently and historically have the bulk of their support made up from the local area - obviously due to proximity of larger, more fashionable teams. At BCFC however this is not the case - with the ground in a predominately large Asian community, very few from the area are actively involved on a supporting level (thats a whole other argument, which I'm not instigating be debated right now).
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Get the support and backing on a LOCAL level established first, before going with business plans to people who've never heard of us.
Prisoner Cell Block A - Cheers. Theres much more to the argument of investment than just "I don't like them bloody Arabs", and "It's money so lets have it". . The first thing GG could do is look at the absolute basics - ie. rebuilding the clubs (both of them) reputations in the community amongst fans and businesses and getting the local Bradford community to back them first rather than looking for money elsewhere. . A good point I read the other day is that lower league football teams (like BCFC) currently and historically have the bulk of their support made up from the local area - obviously due to proximity of larger, more fashionable teams. At BCFC however this is not the case - with the ground in a predominately large Asian community, very few from the area are actively involved on a supporting level (thats a whole other argument, which I'm not instigating be debated right now). . Get the support and backing on a LOCAL level established first, before going with business plans to people who've never heard of us. Rambo
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4:42pm Thu 12 Apr 12

thackley says...

if someone wants to help then let them - the moaners on here and their negativity wont get us out of this mess - dont know how people live with them if this is what they are like in their daily life
if someone wants to help then let them - the moaners on here and their negativity wont get us out of this mess - dont know how people live with them if this is what they are like in their daily life thackley
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4:44pm Thu 12 Apr 12

a reasonable sort of chap says...

Personally I couldn't care less about sport. I wish Mr. Galloway would concentrate on the important things, like legalizing Cannabis and banning crossbows.
Personally I couldn't care less about sport. I wish Mr. Galloway would concentrate on the important things, like legalizing Cannabis and banning crossbows. a reasonable sort of chap
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4:50pm Thu 12 Apr 12

a reasonable sort of chap says...

stiflers mom wrote:
Fortunatly he wont be able to make the macclesfield game as he will be attending a public stoning on the site where manningham ward labour club used to stand !!!
A public stoning in Manningham? GREAT! Will it be skunk weed or hash? Spliffs or bongs?
[quote][p][bold]stiflers mom[/bold] wrote: Fortunatly he wont be able to make the macclesfield game as he will be attending a public stoning on the site where manningham ward labour club used to stand !!![/p][/quote]A public stoning in Manningham? GREAT! Will it be skunk weed or hash? Spliffs or bongs? a reasonable sort of chap
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4:52pm Thu 12 Apr 12

H8E US says...

GALLOWAY IS AN ABSOLUTE LEGEND!!!! HE IS GOING TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE TO BRADFORD...BETTER THAN WHAT THE EXISTING COUNCIL HAS DONE!!!!
GALLOWAY IS AN ABSOLUTE LEGEND!!!! HE IS GOING TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE TO BRADFORD...BETTER THAN WHAT THE EXISTING COUNCIL HAS DONE!!!! H8E US
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4:55pm Thu 12 Apr 12

H8E US says...

THERE ARE ALOT OF CLOWNS HERE WHO ARE SAYING THEY DONT WANT ANY SUPPORT FROM GALLOWAY - WELL WHY ARE YOU LOT WHO ARE SO PASSIONATE ABOUT THE BULLS STRUGGLING TO RAISE 500K - IS IT COS YOUR ON JOB SEEKERS ALLOWANCE AND LIVE IN COUNCIL PROPERTY - FLAMIN SPONGERS!!!!!!!!!
THERE ARE ALOT OF CLOWNS HERE WHO ARE SAYING THEY DONT WANT ANY SUPPORT FROM GALLOWAY - WELL WHY ARE YOU LOT WHO ARE SO PASSIONATE ABOUT THE BULLS STRUGGLING TO RAISE 500K - IS IT COS YOUR ON JOB SEEKERS ALLOWANCE AND LIVE IN COUNCIL PROPERTY - FLAMIN SPONGERS!!!!!!!!! H8E US
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5:00pm Thu 12 Apr 12

BigFigure says...

roofie321 wrote:
Remember this is the bloke that during his campaign said he didn't drink and when he won the election put on twitter it was great winning and representing Blackburn
Think you'll find the Blackburn tweet was a hoax
[quote][p][bold]roofie321[/bold] wrote: Remember this is the bloke that during his campaign said he didn't drink and when he won the election put on twitter it was great winning and representing Blackburn[/p][/quote]Think you'll find the Blackburn tweet was a hoax BigFigure
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5:10pm Thu 12 Apr 12

Waynus1971 says...

lonniejockstrap wrote:
nowt fresh wrote:
dapiackle wrote:
murphyslaw wrote: LET ME REMIND PEOPLE OUR YOUNG LADS HAVE GIVEN THEIR LIVES FOR OUR COUNTRY AND THIS **** SHOOK THE HAND OF THE DESPOT RESPONSIBLE.
The despots responsible for the Iraq war were Mr. Blair & Bush and their cronies, unless I missed something and there were in fact WMDs in Iraq and Saddam (installed and funded by the West, just like the Taliban) had in fact attacked us, and that he tried to harbour Al-Qaeda. A totally pointless and illegal war in a dreadful part of the world that wasn't worth one drop of any British serviceman's blood.
Bang on the money (excuse the pun) dapiackle :-)
What we ALL need to stop doing is believing what politicians say without question. What we ALL need to start doing is searching below the superficial stories that are printed in the media about why we should invade or attack other countries around the World. Then, when we have used our Brain to THINK and understand the REAL reasons we can then chose to either agree or disagree with those REAL reasons for what is being done in our name. Can anyone tell me why the Taliban were invited to Washington to discuss deals/contracts etc to run Gas and Oil pipes through Afghanistan if they were at that time, so unacceptable to the West? Guess what happened to Afghanistan a short period of time after the Taliban refused to do the deals with the major Energy Corporations re the pipelines? Why is the American Government trying it's damnedest to overthrow the Democratically elected president of Venezuela? Could it be something to do with Chavez trying to sell Oil based on the strength of the Euro instead of the Dollar? What's the real reason that threats are being made to attack Iran? Could it be something to do with Iran trying to sell Oil based on the strength of the Euro instead of the Dollar as opposed to another threat of WMD? Also, investigate what Saddam Hussein did as regards selling Oil based on the Euro and not the Dollar? Still haven't found those WMD's that threatened the West have we? Oh, and you might as well check on Tony Blair's ex-mate Gaddafi regarding Oil and the ditching of the Dollar. At the end of your investigations you might agree or disagree as to why we had to go to War, it's up to you -it's a free country, unless of course the American Government doesn't agree with you. The important thing is this: at least you should have reduced the amount of brainwashing and propaganda that is controlling your thoughtsand be basing your support -or otherwise- for these Wars/Conflicts armed with more information. Here is something to help you on your way: The end of the Dollar by Ron Paul www.lewrockwell.com/ paul/paul303.html
The thing is Lonnie, there is a big difference between questioning an 'illegal war' with a Country and 'defending/praising' their dictator. Yes, there are issues surrounding our involvement in the war against Iraq and the claims of WMD, as well as financing the purchase of weapons etc. However, there is absolutely no doubt that Hussein was guilty of war crimes against his own people and those in neighbouring countries. As such, I still do not understand why people such as Galloway put this man on a pedestal. He was, after all, a vile criminal, irrespective of whether it was our responsibility to capture/trial him..!
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This has obviously been made worse by the subsequent capture, trial and execution of Hussein. Some of his 'followers' are now treating him as a modern day Martyr and he is certainly not one of those.
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Let's be brutally honest about this. Galloway ONLY won his seat because of his views against the war on Iraq and his own opinion of Hussein. Had he been contesting the seat in a non-Asian community, he wouldn't have got anywhere near the number of votes that he did. Had he been running for the seat in Bradford South (for example), we wouldn't be having this debate.
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As for his 'spin' above, I will believe it when I see it. If he can find wealthy backers that can take Bradford City forward and those backers are legit, I am all for it. As long as it isn't his 'dirty' money being invested, I don't see why others are against it. Surely progression is .... progression?
[quote][p][bold]lonniejockstrap[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nowt fresh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dapiackle[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]murphyslaw[/bold] wrote: LET ME REMIND PEOPLE OUR YOUNG LADS HAVE GIVEN THEIR LIVES FOR OUR COUNTRY AND THIS **** SHOOK THE HAND OF THE DESPOT RESPONSIBLE.[/p][/quote]The despots responsible for the Iraq war were Mr. Blair & Bush and their cronies, unless I missed something and there were in fact WMDs in Iraq and Saddam (installed and funded by the West, just like the Taliban) had in fact attacked us, and that he tried to harbour Al-Qaeda. A totally pointless and illegal war in a dreadful part of the world that wasn't worth one drop of any British serviceman's blood.[/p][/quote]Bang on the money (excuse the pun) dapiackle :-)[/p][/quote]What we ALL need to stop doing is believing what politicians say without question. What we ALL need to start doing is searching below the superficial stories that are printed in the media about why we should invade or attack other countries around the World. Then, when we have used our Brain to THINK and understand the REAL reasons we can then chose to either agree or disagree with those REAL reasons for what is being done in our name. Can anyone tell me why the Taliban were invited to Washington to discuss deals/contracts etc to run Gas and Oil pipes through Afghanistan if they were at that time, so unacceptable to the West? Guess what happened to Afghanistan a short period of time after the Taliban refused to do the deals with the major Energy Corporations re the pipelines? Why is the American Government trying it's damnedest to overthrow the Democratically elected president of Venezuela? Could it be something to do with Chavez trying to sell Oil based on the strength of the Euro instead of the Dollar? What's the real reason that threats are being made to attack Iran? Could it be something to do with Iran trying to sell Oil based on the strength of the Euro instead of the Dollar as opposed to another threat of WMD? Also, investigate what Saddam Hussein did as regards selling Oil based on the Euro and not the Dollar? Still haven't found those WMD's that threatened the West have we? Oh, and you might as well check on Tony Blair's ex-mate Gaddafi regarding Oil and the ditching of the Dollar. At the end of your investigations you might agree or disagree as to why we had to go to War, it's up to you -it's a free country, unless of course the American Government doesn't agree with you. The important thing is this: at least you should have reduced the amount of brainwashing and propaganda that is controlling your thoughtsand be basing your support -or otherwise- for these Wars/Conflicts armed with more information. Here is something to help you on your way: The end of the Dollar by Ron Paul www.lewrockwell.com/ paul/paul303.html[/p][/quote]The thing is Lonnie, there is a big difference between questioning an 'illegal war' with a Country and 'defending/praising' their dictator. Yes, there are issues surrounding our involvement in the war against Iraq and the claims of WMD, as well as financing the purchase of weapons etc. However, there is absolutely no doubt that Hussein was guilty of war crimes against his own people and those in neighbouring countries. As such, I still do not understand why people such as Galloway put this man on a pedestal. He was, after all, a vile criminal, irrespective of whether it was our responsibility to capture/trial him..! . This has obviously been made worse by the subsequent capture, trial and execution of Hussein. Some of his 'followers' are now treating him as a modern day Martyr and he is certainly not one of those. . Let's be brutally honest about this. Galloway ONLY won his seat because of his views against the war on Iraq and his own opinion of Hussein. Had he been contesting the seat in a non-Asian community, he wouldn't have got anywhere near the number of votes that he did. Had he been running for the seat in Bradford South (for example), we wouldn't be having this debate. . As for his 'spin' above, I will believe it when I see it. If he can find wealthy backers that can take Bradford City forward and those backers are legit, I am all for it. As long as it isn't his 'dirty' money being invested, I don't see why others are against it. Surely progression is .... progression? Waynus1971
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5:28pm Thu 12 Apr 12

Waynus1971 says...

I support City and have done for a number of decades now. However, my personal view is that Galloway should be concentrating all his efforts on getting the Westfield project completed, better transport facilities for the area, something done about the Odeon fiasco etc. I appreciate these issues are more to do with Council projects, but he should be leaning on them instead of trying to rebuild a couple of sporting ventures.
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That's the ONLY way he will help rebuild this City...!
I support City and have done for a number of decades now. However, my personal view is that Galloway should be concentrating all his efforts on getting the Westfield project completed, better transport facilities for the area, something done about the Odeon fiasco etc. I appreciate these issues are more to do with Council projects, but he should be leaning on them instead of trying to rebuild a couple of sporting ventures. . That's the ONLY way he will help rebuild this City...! Waynus1971
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5:38pm Thu 12 Apr 12

Rambo says...

a reasonable sort of chap wrote:
Personally I couldn't care less about sport. I wish Mr. Galloway would concentrate on the important things, like legalizing Cannabis and banning crossbows.
Good for you!
[quote][p][bold]a reasonable sort of chap[/bold] wrote: Personally I couldn't care less about sport. I wish Mr. Galloway would concentrate on the important things, like legalizing Cannabis and banning crossbows.[/p][/quote]Good for you! Rambo
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5:40pm Thu 12 Apr 12

Rambo says...

thackley wrote:
if someone wants to help then let them - the moaners on here and their negativity wont get us out of this mess - dont know how people live with them if this is what they are like in their daily life
I like how people like me put forwards actual arguments, just to be brushed aside as a moaner....
[quote][p][bold]thackley[/bold] wrote: if someone wants to help then let them - the moaners on here and their negativity wont get us out of this mess - dont know how people live with them if this is what they are like in their daily life[/p][/quote]I like how people like me put forwards actual arguments, just to be brushed aside as a moaner.... Rambo
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5:48pm Thu 12 Apr 12

shaun from richmond says...

Waynus1971 wrote:
lonniejockstrap wrote:
nowt fresh wrote:
dapiackle wrote:
murphyslaw wrote: LET ME REMIND PEOPLE OUR YOUNG LADS HAVE GIVEN THEIR LIVES FOR OUR COUNTRY AND THIS **** SHOOK THE HAND OF THE DESPOT RESPONSIBLE.
The despots responsible for the Iraq war were Mr. Blair & Bush and their cronies, unless I missed something and there were in fact WMDs in Iraq and Saddam (installed and funded by the West, just like the Taliban) had in fact attacked us, and that he tried to harbour Al-Qaeda. A totally pointless and illegal war in a dreadful part of the world that wasn't worth one drop of any British serviceman's blood.
Bang on the money (excuse the pun) dapiackle :-)
What we ALL need to stop doing is believing what politicians say without question. What we ALL need to start doing is searching below the superficial stories that are printed in the media about why we should invade or attack other countries around the World. Then, when we have used our Brain to THINK and understand the REAL reasons we can then chose to either agree or disagree with those REAL reasons for what is being done in our name. Can anyone tell me why the Taliban were invited to Washington to discuss deals/contracts etc to run Gas and Oil pipes through Afghanistan if they were at that time, so unacceptable to the West? Guess what happened to Afghanistan a short period of time after the Taliban refused to do the deals with the major Energy Corporations re the pipelines? Why is the American Government trying it's damnedest to overthrow the Democratically elected president of Venezuela? Could it be something to do with Chavez trying to sell Oil based on the strength of the Euro instead of the Dollar? What's the real reason that threats are being made to attack Iran? Could it be something to do with Iran trying to sell Oil based on the strength of the Euro instead of the Dollar as opposed to another threat of WMD? Also, investigate what Saddam Hussein did as regards selling Oil based on the Euro and not the Dollar? Still haven't found those WMD's that threatened the West have we? Oh, and you might as well check on Tony Blair's ex-mate Gaddafi regarding Oil and the ditching of the Dollar. At the end of your investigations you might agree or disagree as to why we had to go to War, it's up to you -it's a free country, unless of course the American Government doesn't agree with you. The important thing is this: at least you should have reduced the amount of brainwashing and propaganda that is controlling your thoughtsand be basing your support -or otherwise- for these Wars/Conflicts armed with more information. Here is something to help you on your way: The end of the Dollar by Ron Paul www.lewrockwell.com/ paul/paul303.html
The thing is Lonnie, there is a big difference between questioning an 'illegal war' with a Country and 'defending/praising' their dictator. Yes, there are issues surrounding our involvement in the war against Iraq and the claims of WMD, as well as financing the purchase of weapons etc. However, there is absolutely no doubt that Hussein was guilty of war crimes against his own people and those in neighbouring countries. As such, I still do not understand why people such as Galloway put this man on a pedestal. He was, after all, a vile criminal, irrespective of whether it was our responsibility to capture/trial him..! . This has obviously been made worse by the subsequent capture, trial and execution of Hussein. Some of his 'followers' are now treating him as a modern day Martyr and he is certainly not one of those. . Let's be brutally honest about this. Galloway ONLY won his seat because of his views against the war on Iraq and his own opinion of Hussein. Had he been contesting the seat in a non-Asian community, he wouldn't have got anywhere near the number of votes that he did. Had he been running for the seat in Bradford South (for example), we wouldn't be having this debate. . As for his 'spin' above, I will believe it when I see it. If he can find wealthy backers that can take Bradford City forward and those backers are legit, I am all for it. As long as it isn't his 'dirty' money being invested, I don't see why others are against it. Surely progression is .... progression?
No!!...The thing is "Lonnie" is always interesting (even if he is off his long run today).........BUT..
..You Waynus are always....BORING!!.
[quote][p][bold]Waynus1971[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lonniejockstrap[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nowt fresh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dapiackle[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]murphyslaw[/bold] wrote: LET ME REMIND PEOPLE OUR YOUNG LADS HAVE GIVEN THEIR LIVES FOR OUR COUNTRY AND THIS **** SHOOK THE HAND OF THE DESPOT RESPONSIBLE.[/p][/quote]The despots responsible for the Iraq war were Mr. Blair & Bush and their cronies, unless I missed something and there were in fact WMDs in Iraq and Saddam (installed and funded by the West, just like the Taliban) had in fact attacked us, and that he tried to harbour Al-Qaeda. A totally pointless and illegal war in a dreadful part of the world that wasn't worth one drop of any British serviceman's blood.[/p][/quote]Bang on the money (excuse the pun) dapiackle :-)[/p][/quote]What we ALL need to stop doing is believing what politicians say without question. What we ALL need to start doing is searching below the superficial stories that are printed in the media about why we should invade or attack other countries around the World. Then, when we have used our Brain to THINK and understand the REAL reasons we can then chose to either agree or disagree with those REAL reasons for what is being done in our name. Can anyone tell me why the Taliban were invited to Washington to discuss deals/contracts etc to run Gas and Oil pipes through Afghanistan if they were at that time, so unacceptable to the West? Guess what happened to Afghanistan a short period of time after the Taliban refused to do the deals with the major Energy Corporations re the pipelines? Why is the American Government trying it's damnedest to overthrow the Democratically elected president of Venezuela? Could it be something to do with Chavez trying to sell Oil based on the strength of the Euro instead of the Dollar? What's the real reason that threats are being made to attack Iran? Could it be something to do with Iran trying to sell Oil based on the strength of the Euro instead of the Dollar as opposed to another threat of WMD? Also, investigate what Saddam Hussein did as regards selling Oil based on the Euro and not the Dollar? Still haven't found those WMD's that threatened the West have we? Oh, and you might as well check on Tony Blair's ex-mate Gaddafi regarding Oil and the ditching of the Dollar. At the end of your investigations you might agree or disagree as to why we had to go to War, it's up to you -it's a free country, unless of course the American Government doesn't agree with you. The important thing is this: at least you should have reduced the amount of brainwashing and propaganda that is controlling your thoughtsand be basing your support -or otherwise- for these Wars/Conflicts armed with more information. Here is something to help you on your way: The end of the Dollar by Ron Paul www.lewrockwell.com/ paul/paul303.html[/p][/quote]The thing is Lonnie, there is a big difference between questioning an 'illegal war' with a Country and 'defending/praising' their dictator. Yes, there are issues surrounding our involvement in the war against Iraq and the claims of WMD, as well as financing the purchase of weapons etc. However, there is absolutely no doubt that Hussein was guilty of war crimes against his own people and those in neighbouring countries. As such, I still do not understand why people such as Galloway put this man on a pedestal. He was, after all, a vile criminal, irrespective of whether it was our responsibility to capture/trial him..! . This has obviously been made worse by the subsequent capture, trial and execution of Hussein. Some of his 'followers' are now treating him as a modern day Martyr and he is certainly not one of those. . Let's be brutally honest about this. Galloway ONLY won his seat because of his views against the war on Iraq and his own opinion of Hussein. Had he been contesting the seat in a non-Asian community, he wouldn't have got anywhere near the number of votes that he did. Had he been running for the seat in Bradford South (for example), we wouldn't be having this debate. . As for his 'spin' above, I will believe it when I see it. If he can find wealthy backers that can take Bradford City forward and those backers are legit, I am all for it. As long as it isn't his 'dirty' money being invested, I don't see why others are against it. Surely progression is .... progression?[/p][/quote]No!!...The thing is "Lonnie" is always interesting (even if he is off his long run today).........BUT.. ..You Waynus are always....BORING!!. shaun from richmond
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5:53pm Thu 12 Apr 12

shaun from richmond says...

Rambo wrote:
a reasonable sort of chap wrote: Personally I couldn't care less about sport. I wish Mr. Galloway would concentrate on the important things, like legalizing Cannabis and banning crossbows.
Good for you!
Cant see YOU "Rambo" wanting to ban Crossbows!!.
[quote][p][bold]Rambo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]a reasonable sort of chap[/bold] wrote: Personally I couldn't care less about sport. I wish Mr. Galloway would concentrate on the important things, like legalizing Cannabis and banning crossbows.[/p][/quote]Good for you![/p][/quote]Cant see YOU "Rambo" wanting to ban Crossbows!!. shaun from richmond
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5:58pm Thu 12 Apr 12

Rambo says...

shaun from richmond wrote:
Rambo wrote:
a reasonable sort of chap wrote: Personally I couldn't care less about sport. I wish Mr. Galloway would concentrate on the important things, like legalizing Cannabis and banning crossbows.
Good for you!
Cant see YOU "Rambo" wanting to ban Crossbows!!.
QFT
[quote][p][bold]shaun from richmond[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rambo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]a reasonable sort of chap[/bold] wrote: Personally I couldn't care less about sport. I wish Mr. Galloway would concentrate on the important things, like legalizing Cannabis and banning crossbows.[/p][/quote]Good for you![/p][/quote]Cant see YOU "Rambo" wanting to ban Crossbows!!.[/p][/quote]QFT Rambo
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6:13pm Thu 12 Apr 12

Pablo says...

ricky76 wrote:
Rather have ML and JR than this clown.
Me too. Galloway is beginning to believe his own publicity - a legend in his own mind.
[quote][p][bold]ricky76[/bold] wrote: Rather have ML and JR than this clown.[/p][/quote]Me too. Galloway is beginning to believe his own publicity - a legend in his own mind. Pablo
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6:49pm Thu 12 Apr 12

huggy b says...

I don't like the man. It's probably just politicians rhetoric, but I do agree that if either or both clubs go under it would be a disaster for Bradford. IF he can bring in investors where others have failed I don't see a problem with that.
I don't like the man. It's probably just politicians rhetoric, but I do agree that if either or both clubs go under it would be a disaster for Bradford. IF he can bring in investors where others have failed I don't see a problem with that. huggy b
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7:10pm Thu 12 Apr 12

cookie_brighton says...

As a city supporter for over 40 years, I, Personally do not feel that the likes of Galloway should in anyway be involved with B.C.F.C.
This man is very dangerous,(my opinion), this is just another publicity stunt for him.
As a city supporter for over 40 years, I, Personally do not feel that the likes of Galloway should in anyway be involved with B.C.F.C. This man is very dangerous,(my opinion), this is just another publicity stunt for him. cookie_brighton
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7:36pm Thu 12 Apr 12

cookie_brighton says...

HA HA HA ...just read between the lines....the heading says....fighting Bradford city and Bradford Bulls corner.

Bradford City = bantam = ****(eral)
Bradford Bulls = bull

**** and BULL story ha ha
HA HA HA ...just read between the lines....the heading says....fighting Bradford city and Bradford Bulls corner. Bradford City = bantam = ****(eral) Bradford Bulls = bull **** and BULL story ha ha cookie_brighton
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7:46pm Thu 12 Apr 12

Onebrianmitchell says...

Four rules in life. Never trust a man who;

A) has a beard
B) doesn't drink
C) doesn't like footy
D) wears white socks

He ticks a few of those boxes.
Four rules in life. Never trust a man who; A) has a beard B) doesn't drink C) doesn't like footy D) wears white socks He ticks a few of those boxes. Onebrianmitchell
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7:49pm Thu 12 Apr 12

mark04 says...

Agree with most comments on here saying give him a chance,after all he has put the ODEON well up the agenda and forced Mr Greenwood to change his views and now says he supports saving it.
What have any of the other politicians said or done to support city or the bulls.
Agree with most comments on here saying give him a chance,after all he has put the ODEON well up the agenda and forced Mr Greenwood to change his views and now says he supports saving it. What have any of the other politicians said or done to support city or the bulls. mark04
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7:54pm Thu 12 Apr 12

mark04 says...

Onebrianmitchell wrote:
Four rules in life. Never trust a man who;

A) has a beard
B) doesn't drink
C) doesn't like footy
D) wears white socks

He ticks a few of those boxes.
So does Jesus Christ.
[quote][p][bold]Onebrianmitchell[/bold] wrote: Four rules in life. Never trust a man who; A) has a beard B) doesn't drink C) doesn't like footy D) wears white socks He ticks a few of those boxes.[/p][/quote]So does Jesus Christ. mark04
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7:54pm Thu 12 Apr 12

mark04 says...

Onebrianmitchell wrote:
Four rules in life. Never trust a man who;

A) has a beard
B) doesn't drink
C) doesn't like footy
D) wears white socks

He ticks a few of those boxes.
So does Jesus Christ.
[quote][p][bold]Onebrianmitchell[/bold] wrote: Four rules in life. Never trust a man who; A) has a beard B) doesn't drink C) doesn't like footy D) wears white socks He ticks a few of those boxes.[/p][/quote]So does Jesus Christ. mark04
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7:57pm Thu 12 Apr 12

huggy b says...

mark04 wrote:
Onebrianmitchell wrote:
Four rules in life. Never trust a man who;

A) has a beard
B) doesn't drink
C) doesn't like footy
D) wears white socks

He ticks a few of those boxes.
So does Jesus Christ.
He did like footy, he was a good crosser.
[quote][p][bold]mark04[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Onebrianmitchell[/bold] wrote: Four rules in life. Never trust a man who; A) has a beard B) doesn't drink C) doesn't like footy D) wears white socks He ticks a few of those boxes.[/p][/quote]So does Jesus Christ.[/p][/quote]He did like footy, he was a good crosser. huggy b
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8:02pm Thu 12 Apr 12

Mr Capp says...

Can't keep GG out of the news can we? He's only been one of our MP's for a couple of weeks and he's done more to raise the profile of Bradford than any other for years. He offers the sporting public of Bradford hope.He offers the city and the mess its been allowed to get into by the mainstream politicians hope. He has contacts and influence with people who have shed loads of money.He wants to use Bradford and its people as a springboard for his party to bring change and we could be quids in like no other city iin this desperate current financial climate.
This guy can use us as much as he wants for all i care as long as we get the rewards so we have nowt to lose by backing him for the immediate future and the proof of the pudding will be in the eating! Welcome to the Bradford spring!
Can't keep GG out of the news can we? He's only been one of our MP's for a couple of weeks and he's done more to raise the profile of Bradford than any other for years. He offers the sporting public of Bradford hope.He offers the city and the mess its been allowed to get into by the mainstream politicians hope. He has contacts and influence with people who have shed loads of money.He wants to use Bradford and its people as a springboard for his party to bring change and we could be quids in like no other city iin this desperate current financial climate. This guy can use us as much as he wants for all i care as long as we get the rewards so we have nowt to lose by backing him for the immediate future and the proof of the pudding will be in the eating! Welcome to the Bradford spring! Mr Capp
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8:47pm Thu 12 Apr 12

Prisoner Cell Block A says...

Wouldn't worry about it Rambo, those that can and do read and digest fully appreciate your comments. It also helps to have a wider knowledge too but no way am I wandering round lifting blinkers only to see 'lights on no-one home'


PS, the Jesus Christ the winger comment was good. Don't draw a picture though, the arch-bishop of Canterbury will have a fatwah on your head. Or not, he won't give a shi t
Wouldn't worry about it Rambo, those that can and do read and digest fully appreciate your comments. It also helps to have a wider knowledge too but no way am I wandering round lifting blinkers only to see 'lights on no-one home' PS, the Jesus Christ the winger comment was good. Don't draw a picture though, the arch-bishop of Canterbury will have a fatwah on your head. Or not, he won't give a shi t Prisoner Cell Block A
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8:50pm Thu 12 Apr 12

Grandad final says...

"politician’s rhetoric" well any publicity is good publicity eh?

Would that be the Blackburn Bulls then?

Question: One James2Odsal on RLFANS.com or a big wad of notes from George and his mob? I know where my money is going and my head is held high....COME ON JAMES and COYB!!!!

PS IF GG REALLY DOES WANT TO HELP THEN DROP HALF A MILLION IN USED NOTES IN AN ENVELOPE AND POP IT ANON INTO THE OFFICE ASAP AND STOP TRYING TO BUY US COS IT DUNT WORK!
"politician’s rhetoric" well any publicity is good publicity eh? Would that be the Blackburn Bulls then? Question: One James2Odsal on RLFANS.com or a big wad of notes from George and his mob? I know where my money is going and my head is held high....COME ON JAMES and COYB!!!! PS IF GG REALLY DOES WANT TO HELP THEN DROP HALF A MILLION IN USED NOTES IN AN ENVELOPE AND POP IT ANON INTO THE OFFICE ASAP AND STOP TRYING TO BUY US COS IT DUNT WORK! Grandad final
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8:56pm Thu 12 Apr 12

huggy b says...

huggy b wrote:
mark04 wrote:
Onebrianmitchell wrote:
Four rules in life. Never trust a man who;

A) has a beard
B) doesn't drink
C) doesn't like footy
D) wears white socks

He ticks a few of those boxes.
So does Jesus Christ.
He did like footy, he was a good crosser.
He also got a nailed on penalty.
[quote][p][bold]huggy b[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark04[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Onebrianmitchell[/bold] wrote: Four rules in life. Never trust a man who; A) has a beard B) doesn't drink C) doesn't like footy D) wears white socks He ticks a few of those boxes.[/p][/quote]So does Jesus Christ.[/p][/quote]He did like footy, he was a good crosser.[/p][/quote]He also got a nailed on penalty. huggy b
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9:13pm Thu 12 Apr 12

webess says...

Will George make the cheerleaders wear burkas?
Will George make the cheerleaders wear burkas? webess
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9:35pm Thu 12 Apr 12

spionkop64 says...

Well, I'll shake George's hand if I see him at the Macc match. He deserves a cordial welcome, one of the few politicians who even acknowledges the existence of City.

His intervention might help knock the heads together in both communities that united we can make Bradord a success, divided the decline will continue apace. Get out of your bunkers people, open your minds. If there's one thing George has done, or is trying to do, it is opening people up to debate.

As for all the comments about the wars and being British, well keep reading the Daily Mail folks.
Well, I'll shake George's hand if I see him at the Macc match. He deserves a cordial welcome, one of the few politicians who even acknowledges the existence of City. His intervention might help knock the heads together in both communities that united we can make Bradord a success, divided the decline will continue apace. Get out of your bunkers people, open your minds. If there's one thing George has done, or is trying to do, it is opening people up to debate. As for all the comments about the wars and being British, well keep reading the Daily Mail folks. spionkop64
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9:57pm Thu 12 Apr 12

Grandad final says...

"united we can make Bradord a success"
Hi George..It's Brad Ford not Bradord or Blackburn.
As for uniting "both" communities, we stand on the terraces week in week out in all weathers coming together in sport so WE are united. Where are you? And who has said there are TWO communities, is that accepting a truth???
You just keep selling your soul whilst we in the real world read the daily mail with its lack of condescending snide remarks.
Isn't the presence of politics in things that don't concern it spoiling enough of our lives?
"united we can make Bradord a success" Hi George..It's Brad Ford not Bradord or Blackburn. As for uniting "both" communities, we stand on the terraces week in week out in all weathers coming together in sport so WE are united. Where are you? And who has said there are TWO communities, is that accepting a truth??? You just keep selling your soul whilst we in the real world read the daily mail with its lack of condescending snide remarks. Isn't the presence of politics in things that don't concern it spoiling enough of our lives? Grandad final
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9:58pm Thu 12 Apr 12

hollymae says...

Grandad final wrote:
"politician’s rhetoric" well any publicity is good publicity eh?

Would that be the Blackburn Bulls then?

Question: One James2Odsal on RLFANS.com or a big wad of notes from George and his mob? I know where my money is going and my head is held high....COME ON JAMES and COYB!!!!

PS IF GG REALLY DOES WANT TO HELP THEN DROP HALF A MILLION IN USED NOTES IN AN ENVELOPE AND POP IT ANON INTO THE OFFICE ASAP AND STOP TRYING TO BUY US COS IT DUNT WORK!
Grandad Final - whats the James2odsl all about - somebody else has mentioned this to me today...enlighten me please!!
[quote][p][bold]Grandad final[/bold] wrote: "politician’s rhetoric" well any publicity is good publicity eh? Would that be the Blackburn Bulls then? Question: One James2Odsal on RLFANS.com or a big wad of notes from George and his mob? I know where my money is going and my head is held high....COME ON JAMES and COYB!!!! PS IF GG REALLY DOES WANT TO HELP THEN DROP HALF A MILLION IN USED NOTES IN AN ENVELOPE AND POP IT ANON INTO THE OFFICE ASAP AND STOP TRYING TO BUY US COS IT DUNT WORK![/p][/quote]Grandad Final - whats the James2odsl all about - somebody else has mentioned this to me today...enlighten me please!! hollymae
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10:28pm Thu 12 Apr 12

Cityman23 says...

"HAPPY VALLEY-EXCESS ALL AREAS!!"

" JOOLS & LAWNEE"

(Jools is sitting having a mid-morning latte in his office when in walks Lawnee ('in costume'!).

Jools: cough/splutter...goo
dness...what are you done up as.......Lawrence Of Arabia?!! Off to a fancy dress party?

Lawnee: Like my outfit? I thought I'd get kitted out ..you know... just in case!!

Jools: In case of what? You mean in case they decide to produce a remake of 'The Desert Song' and they're looking for extras?....or was it by any chance..'Carry On Up The Kyber'?!!!!No...I've got it...they're redoing a video for "Rock The Casbah"!!

Lawnee: Jools...just be serious for a minute...it says in the 'T&A' George Galloway has Arab contacts..and he's going to see if they can be helpful to City and the Bulls!!

Jools: And...?!!

Lawnee: I just want to be ready..should we get a call to go and meet..an Arabian invester. You know, make him feel more at home!!

Jools: There's ...er just one thing..Lawnee!!

Lawnee: What?!!

Jools: ..the sun glasses are a bit .................ove
r the top!!
"HAPPY VALLEY-EXCESS ALL AREAS!!" " JOOLS & LAWNEE" (Jools is sitting having a mid-morning latte in his office when in walks Lawnee ('in costume'!). Jools: cough/splutter...goo dness...what are you done up as.......Lawrence Of Arabia?!! Off to a fancy dress party? Lawnee: Like my outfit? I thought I'd get kitted out ..you know... just in case!! Jools: In case of what? You mean in case they decide to produce a remake of 'The Desert Song' and they're looking for extras?....or was it by any chance..'Carry On Up The Kyber'?!!!!No...I've got it...they're redoing a video for "Rock The Casbah"!! Lawnee: Jools...just be serious for a minute...it says in the 'T&A' George Galloway has Arab contacts..and he's going to see if they can be helpful to City and the Bulls!! Jools: And...?!! Lawnee: I just want to be ready..should we get a call to go and meet..an Arabian invester. You know, make him feel more at home!! Jools: There's ...er just one thing..Lawnee!! Lawnee: What?!! Jools: ..the sun glasses are a bit .................ove r the top!! Cityman23
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10:49pm Thu 12 Apr 12

lonniejockstrap says...

Waynus1971 wrote:
lonniejockstrap wrote:
nowt fresh wrote:
dapiackle wrote:
murphyslaw wrote: LET ME REMIND PEOPLE OUR YOUNG LADS HAVE GIVEN THEIR LIVES FOR OUR COUNTRY AND THIS **** SHOOK THE HAND OF THE DESPOT RESPONSIBLE.
The despots responsible for the Iraq war were Mr. Blair & Bush and their cronies, unless I missed something and there were in fact WMDs in Iraq and Saddam (installed and funded by the West, just like the Taliban) had in fact attacked us, and that he tried to harbour Al-Qaeda. A totally pointless and illegal war in a dreadful part of the world that wasn't worth one drop of any British serviceman's blood.
Bang on the money (excuse the pun) dapiackle :-)
What we ALL need to stop doing is believing what politicians say without question. What we ALL need to start doing is searching below the superficial stories that are printed in the media about why we should invade or attack other countries around the World. Then, when we have used our Brain to THINK and understand the REAL reasons we can then chose to either agree or disagree with those REAL reasons for what is being done in our name. Can anyone tell me why the Taliban were invited to Washington to discuss deals/contracts etc to run Gas and Oil pipes through Afghanistan if they were at that time, so unacceptable to the West? Guess what happened to Afghanistan a short period of time after the Taliban refused to do the deals with the major Energy Corporations re the pipelines? Why is the American Government trying it's damnedest to overthrow the Democratically elected president of Venezuela? Could it be something to do with Chavez trying to sell Oil based on the strength of the Euro instead of the Dollar? What's the real reason that threats are being made to attack Iran? Could it be something to do with Iran trying to sell Oil based on the strength of the Euro instead of the Dollar as opposed to another threat of WMD? Also, investigate what Saddam Hussein did as regards selling Oil based on the Euro and not the Dollar? Still haven't found those WMD's that threatened the West have we? Oh, and you might as well check on Tony Blair's ex-mate Gaddafi regarding Oil and the ditching of the Dollar. At the end of your investigations you might agree or disagree as to why we had to go to War, it's up to you -it's a free country, unless of course the American Government doesn't agree with you. The important thing is this: at least you should have reduced the amount of brainwashing and propaganda that is controlling your thoughtsand be basing your support -or otherwise- for these Wars/Conflicts armed with more information. Here is something to help you on your way: The end of the Dollar by Ron Paul www.lewrockwell.com/ paul/paul303.html
The thing is Lonnie, there is a big difference between questioning an 'illegal war' with a Country and 'defending/praising' their dictator. Yes, there are issues surrounding our involvement in the war against Iraq and the claims of WMD, as well as financing the purchase of weapons etc. However, there is absolutely no doubt that Hussein was guilty of war crimes against his own people and those in neighbouring countries. As such, I still do not understand why people such as Galloway put this man on a pedestal. He was, after all, a vile criminal, irrespective of whether it was our responsibility to capture/trial him..!
.
This has obviously been made worse by the subsequent capture, trial and execution of Hussein. Some of his 'followers' are now treating him as a modern day Martyr and he is certainly not one of those.
.
Let's be brutally honest about this. Galloway ONLY won his seat because of his views against the war on Iraq and his own opinion of Hussein. Had he been contesting the seat in a non-Asian community, he wouldn't have got anywhere near the number of votes that he did. Had he been running for the seat in Bradford South (for example), we wouldn't be having this debate.
.
As for his 'spin' above, I will believe it when I see it. If he can find wealthy backers that can take Bradford City forward and those backers are legit, I am all for it. As long as it isn't his 'dirty' money being invested, I don't see why others are against it. Surely progression is .... progression?
Waynus the '''dirty' money'' you refer to NEVER actually existed it was the type of propaganda I was relating to above and you have absorbed this and ,unfortunately, taken it as a truth. Be careful, George has already successfully sued the Daily Telegraph for defamation over this so I wouldn't repeat the lie if I was you.

It wasn't GG who provided Saddam with the weapons and the Gas he used to commit these 'war crimes' that you refer to waynus. It wasn't GG who helped Iraq with weapons to aid the slaughter during the Iran Iraq war either. Again, I am not arguing the case of what was right or wrong, I am simply asking you to put some effort into finding out what the REAL or TRUE reasons and/or facts are.

IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH

ps you might find 'George Galloway Vs The US Senate' on youtube enlightening.
[quote][p][bold]Waynus1971[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lonniejockstrap[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nowt fresh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dapiackle[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]murphyslaw[/bold] wrote: LET ME REMIND PEOPLE OUR YOUNG LADS HAVE GIVEN THEIR LIVES FOR OUR COUNTRY AND THIS **** SHOOK THE HAND OF THE DESPOT RESPONSIBLE.[/p][/quote]The despots responsible for the Iraq war were Mr. Blair & Bush and their cronies, unless I missed something and there were in fact WMDs in Iraq and Saddam (installed and funded by the West, just like the Taliban) had in fact attacked us, and that he tried to harbour Al-Qaeda. A totally pointless and illegal war in a dreadful part of the world that wasn't worth one drop of any British serviceman's blood.[/p][/quote]Bang on the money (excuse the pun) dapiackle :-)[/p][/quote]What we ALL need to stop doing is believing what politicians say without question. What we ALL need to start doing is searching below the superficial stories that are printed in the media about why we should invade or attack other countries around the World. Then, when we have used our Brain to THINK and understand the REAL reasons we can then chose to either agree or disagree with those REAL reasons for what is being done in our name. Can anyone tell me why the Taliban were invited to Washington to discuss deals/contracts etc to run Gas and Oil pipes through Afghanistan if they were at that time, so unacceptable to the West? Guess what happened to Afghanistan a short period of time after the Taliban refused to do the deals with the major Energy Corporations re the pipelines? Why is the American Government trying it's damnedest to overthrow the Democratically elected president of Venezuela? Could it be something to do with Chavez trying to sell Oil based on the strength of the Euro instead of the Dollar? What's the real reason that threats are being made to attack Iran? Could it be something to do with Iran trying to sell Oil based on the strength of the Euro instead of the Dollar as opposed to another threat of WMD? Also, investigate what Saddam Hussein did as regards selling Oil based on the Euro and not the Dollar? Still haven't found those WMD's that threatened the West have we? Oh, and you might as well check on Tony Blair's ex-mate Gaddafi regarding Oil and the ditching of the Dollar. At the end of your investigations you might agree or disagree as to why we had to go to War, it's up to you -it's a free country, unless of course the American Government doesn't agree with you. The important thing is this: at least you should have reduced the amount of brainwashing and propaganda that is controlling your thoughtsand be basing your support -or otherwise- for these Wars/Conflicts armed with more information. Here is something to help you on your way: The end of the Dollar by Ron Paul www.lewrockwell.com/ paul/paul303.html[/p][/quote]The thing is Lonnie, there is a big difference between questioning an 'illegal war' with a Country and 'defending/praising' their dictator. Yes, there are issues surrounding our involvement in the war against Iraq and the claims of WMD, as well as financing the purchase of weapons etc. However, there is absolutely no doubt that Hussein was guilty of war crimes against his own people and those in neighbouring countries. As such, I still do not understand why people such as Galloway put this man on a pedestal. He was, after all, a vile criminal, irrespective of whether it was our responsibility to capture/trial him..! . This has obviously been made worse by the subsequent capture, trial and execution of Hussein. Some of his 'followers' are now treating him as a modern day Martyr and he is certainly not one of those. . Let's be brutally honest about this. Galloway ONLY won his seat because of his views against the war on Iraq and his own opinion of Hussein. Had he been contesting the seat in a non-Asian community, he wouldn't have got anywhere near the number of votes that he did. Had he been running for the seat in Bradford South (for example), we wouldn't be having this debate. . As for his 'spin' above, I will believe it when I see it. If he can find wealthy backers that can take Bradford City forward and those backers are legit, I am all for it. As long as it isn't his 'dirty' money being invested, I don't see why others are against it. Surely progression is .... progression?[/p][/quote]Waynus the '''dirty' money'' you refer to NEVER actually existed it was the type of propaganda I was relating to above and you have absorbed this and ,unfortunately, taken it as a truth. Be careful, George has already successfully sued the Daily Telegraph for defamation over this so I wouldn't repeat the lie if I was you. It wasn't GG who provided Saddam with the weapons and the Gas he used to commit these 'war crimes' that you refer to waynus. It wasn't GG who helped Iraq with weapons to aid the slaughter during the Iran Iraq war either. Again, I am not arguing the case of what was right or wrong, I am simply asking you to put some effort into finding out what the REAL or TRUE reasons and/or facts are. IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH ps you might find 'George Galloway Vs The US Senate' on youtube enlightening. lonniejockstrap
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12:29am Fri 13 Apr 12

Garth Bulb says...

Galloway spouts about saving City and Bulls. What has he contributed so far, other than gob!? He has proved that he can brainwash a noisy minority however the silent majority are fortunately awakening!
Galloway spouts about saving City and Bulls. What has he contributed so far, other than gob!? He has proved that he can brainwash a noisy minority however the silent majority are fortunately awakening! Garth Bulb
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12:37am Fri 13 Apr 12

mark04 says...

Garth Bulb wrote:
Galloway spouts about saving City and Bulls. What has he contributed so far, other than gob!? He has proved that he can brainwash a noisy minority however the silent majority are fortunately awakening!
I was under the impression that a lot of the silent majority also voted for him.
[quote][p][bold]Garth Bulb[/bold] wrote: Galloway spouts about saving City and Bulls. What has he contributed so far, other than gob!? He has proved that he can brainwash a noisy minority however the silent majority are fortunately awakening![/p][/quote]I was under the impression that a lot of the silent majority also voted for him. mark04
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1:46am Fri 13 Apr 12

Garth Bulb says...

In response mark04, Mr Galloway is a little fish and Bradford is a big pond! I hope he can back up his mouth for the sake of our beloved City.His cheap talk and bonding sessions with Saddam Hussain beggar me to believe what kind of Bradfordian would elect him?
In response mark04, Mr Galloway is a little fish and Bradford is a big pond! I hope he can back up his mouth for the sake of our beloved City.His cheap talk and bonding sessions with Saddam Hussain beggar me to believe what kind of Bradfordian would elect him? Garth Bulb
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8:33am Fri 13 Apr 12

billybobbull says...

Dale Martin wrote:
flashdonut wrote:
lonniejockstrap wrote:
nowt fresh wrote:
dapiackle wrote:
murphyslaw wrote: LET ME REMIND PEOPLE OUR YOUNG LADS HAVE GIVEN THEIR LIVES FOR OUR COUNTRY AND THIS **** SHOOK THE HAND OF THE DESPOT RESPONSIBLE.
The despots responsible for the Iraq war were Mr. Blair & Bush and their cronies, unless I missed something and there were in fact WMDs in Iraq and Saddam (installed and funded by the West, just like the Taliban) had in fact attacked us, and that he tried to harbour Al-Qaeda. A totally pointless and illegal war in a dreadful part of the world that wasn't worth one drop of any British serviceman's blood.
Bang on the money (excuse the pun) dapiackle :-)
What we ALL need to stop doing is believing what politicians say without question. What we ALL need to start doing is searching below the superficial stories that are printed in the media about why we should invade or attack other countries around the World. Then, when we have used our Brain to THINK and understand the REAL reasons we can then chose to either agree or disagree with those REAL reasons for what is being done in our name.

Can anyone tell me why the Taliban were invited to Washington to discuss deals/contracts etc to run Gas and Oil pipes through Afghanistan if they were at that time, so unacceptable to the West?
Guess what happened to Afghanistan a short period of time after the Taliban refused to do the deals with the major Energy Corporations re the pipelines?

Why is the American Government trying it's damnedest to overthrow the Democratically elected president of Venezuela? Could it be something to do with Chavez trying to sell Oil based on the strength of the Euro instead of the Dollar?

What's the real reason that threats are being made to attack Iran? Could it be something to do with Iran trying to sell Oil based on the strength of the Euro instead of the Dollar as opposed to another threat of WMD?

Also, investigate what Saddam Hussein did as regards selling Oil based on the Euro and not the Dollar? Still haven't found those WMD's that threatened the West have we? Oh, and you might as well check on Tony Blair's ex-mate Gaddafi regarding Oil and the ditching of the Dollar.

At the end of your investigations you might agree or disagree as to why we had to go to War, it's up to you -it's a free country, unless of course the American Government doesn't agree with you. The important thing is this: at least you should have reduced the amount of brainwashing and propaganda that is controlling your thoughtsand be basing your support -or otherwise- for these Wars/Conflicts armed with more information.

Here is something to help you on your way:

The end of the Dollar by Ron Paul www.lewrockwell.com/



paul/paul303.html
What the?
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Bit too deep for most folk. I just want to win the Challenge Cup again.
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Wemberleeeeeey, Wemberleeeeeey, we're the famous Bradford Bulls and we're going to Wemberleeeeeeeey.
It`s frightening how such a large majority of society has been brainwashed and dumbed down into sheepish unquestioning obedience.

Our government spends tens of billions of our money on insane wars generated by lies and it`s too deep for you, millions die in these wars, thousands of them our own soldiers and sent there for what?,,,, and its too deep for you, we are shaping a world that is moving toward its own destruction which will affect you, your family and all around,,,, but it`s too deep for you, too deep for you, too deep for you,,,, ad infinitum.

Except of course "the famous Bradford Bulls", there will be no limit to the depth you plunge yourself into with that one, even though whether they win or lose, survive the financial problems or collapse and disappear it will in the end make absolutely no real or tangible difference to your life at all, just a game of sport that determines nothing, changes nothing and means in the end ultimately nothing at all,,,,, But maybe its too deep for you to understand that also.
Dale, get a life. Yes the bigger picture of UK and world Politics is very important, but what really counts for 98% of people in the world is family and their local community. So actually losing local parts of the community makes a massive difference to people's lives, here and elsewhere in the world. Please don't dismiss people's personal wishes as being irrelevant. For most folk, whether Korea sends a rocket into space or the NATO forces pull out of Afghanistan is irrelevant.
Local community is NOT. It is the most important aspect of lives as it affects them everyday.

If we were all politics students and worried about the big stuff all day every day, life would be a bit boring and would be like living in North Korea!

What matters is the small stuff, as it makes life enjoyable.
[quote][p][bold]Dale Martin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]flashdonut[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lonniejockstrap[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nowt fresh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dapiackle[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]murphyslaw[/bold] wrote: LET ME REMIND PEOPLE OUR YOUNG LADS HAVE GIVEN THEIR LIVES FOR OUR COUNTRY AND THIS **** SHOOK THE HAND OF THE DESPOT RESPONSIBLE.[/p][/quote]The despots responsible for the Iraq war were Mr. Blair & Bush and their cronies, unless I missed something and there were in fact WMDs in Iraq and Saddam (installed and funded by the West, just like the Taliban) had in fact attacked us, and that he tried to harbour Al-Qaeda. A totally pointless and illegal war in a dreadful part of the world that wasn't worth one drop of any British serviceman's blood.[/p][/quote]Bang on the money (excuse the pun) dapiackle :-)[/p][/quote]What we ALL need to stop doing is believing what politicians say without question. What we ALL need to start doing is searching below the superficial stories that are printed in the media about why we should invade or attack other countries around the World. Then, when we have used our Brain to THINK and understand the REAL reasons we can then chose to either agree or disagree with those REAL reasons for what is being done in our name. Can anyone tell me why the Taliban were invited to Washington to discuss deals/contracts etc to run Gas and Oil pipes through Afghanistan if they were at that time, so unacceptable to the West? Guess what happened to Afghanistan a short period of time after the Taliban refused to do the deals with the major Energy Corporations re the pipelines? Why is the American Government trying it's damnedest to overthrow the Democratically elected president of Venezuela? Could it be something to do with Chavez trying to sell Oil based on the strength of the Euro instead of the Dollar? What's the real reason that threats are being made to attack Iran? Could it be something to do with Iran trying to sell Oil based on the strength of the Euro instead of the Dollar as opposed to another threat of WMD? Also, investigate what Saddam Hussein did as regards selling Oil based on the Euro and not the Dollar? Still haven't found those WMD's that threatened the West have we? Oh, and you might as well check on Tony Blair's ex-mate Gaddafi regarding Oil and the ditching of the Dollar. At the end of your investigations you might agree or disagree as to why we had to go to War, it's up to you -it's a free country, unless of course the American Government doesn't agree with you. The important thing is this: at least you should have reduced the amount of brainwashing and propaganda that is controlling your thoughtsand be basing your support -or otherwise- for these Wars/Conflicts armed with more information. Here is something to help you on your way: The end of the Dollar by Ron Paul www.lewrockwell.com/ paul/paul303.html[/p][/quote]What the? . Bit too deep for most folk. I just want to win the Challenge Cup again. . Wemberleeeeeey, Wemberleeeeeey, we're the famous Bradford Bulls and we're going to Wemberleeeeeeeey.[/p][/quote]It`s frightening how such a large majority of society has been brainwashed and dumbed down into sheepish unquestioning obedience. Our government spends tens of billions of our money on insane wars generated by lies and it`s too deep for you, millions die in these wars, thousands of them our own soldiers and sent there for what?,,,, and its too deep for you, we are shaping a world that is moving toward its own destruction which will affect you, your family and all around,,,, but it`s too deep for you, too deep for you, too deep for you,,,, ad infinitum. Except of course "the famous Bradford Bulls", there will be no limit to the depth you plunge yourself into with that one, even though whether they win or lose, survive the financial problems or collapse and disappear it will in the end make absolutely no real or tangible difference to your life at all, just a game of sport that determines nothing, changes nothing and means in the end ultimately nothing at all,,,,, But maybe its too deep for you to understand that also.[/p][/quote]Dale, get a life. Yes the bigger picture of UK and world Politics is very important, but what really counts for 98% of people in the world is family and their local community. So actually losing local parts of the community makes a massive difference to people's lives, here and elsewhere in the world. Please don't dismiss people's personal wishes as being irrelevant. For most folk, whether Korea sends a rocket into space or the NATO forces pull out of Afghanistan is irrelevant. Local community is NOT. It is the most important aspect of lives as it affects them everyday. If we were all politics students and worried about the big stuff all day every day, life would be a bit boring and would be like living in North Korea! What matters is the small stuff, as it makes life enjoyable. billybobbull
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8:45am Fri 13 Apr 12

bettyswollocks says...

Waynus1971 wrote:
lonniejockstrap wrote:
nowt fresh wrote:
dapiackle wrote:
murphyslaw wrote: LET ME REMIND PEOPLE OUR YOUNG LADS HAVE GIVEN THEIR LIVES FOR OUR COUNTRY AND THIS **** SHOOK THE HAND OF THE DESPOT RESPONSIBLE.
The despots responsible for the Iraq war were Mr. Blair & Bush and their cronies, unless I missed something and there were in fact WMDs in Iraq and Saddam (installed and funded by the West, just like the Taliban) had in fact attacked us, and that he tried to harbour Al-Qaeda. A totally pointless and illegal war in a dreadful part of the world that wasn't worth one drop of any British serviceman's blood.
Bang on the money (excuse the pun) dapiackle :-)
What we ALL need to stop doing is believing what politicians say without question. What we ALL need to start doing is searching below the superficial stories that are printed in the media about why we should invade or attack other countries around the World. Then, when we have used our Brain to THINK and understand the REAL reasons we can then chose to either agree or disagree with those REAL reasons for what is being done in our name. Can anyone tell me why the Taliban were invited to Washington to discuss deals/contracts etc to run Gas and Oil pipes through Afghanistan if they were at that time, so unacceptable to the West? Guess what happened to Afghanistan a short period of time after the Taliban refused to do the deals with the major Energy Corporations re the pipelines? Why is the American Government trying it's damnedest to overthrow the Democratically elected president of Venezuela? Could it be something to do with Chavez trying to sell Oil based on the strength of the Euro instead of the Dollar? What's the real reason that threats are being made to attack Iran? Could it be something to do with Iran trying to sell Oil based on the strength of the Euro instead of the Dollar as opposed to another threat of WMD? Also, investigate what Saddam Hussein did as regards selling Oil based on the Euro and not the Dollar? Still haven't found those WMD's that threatened the West have we? Oh, and you might as well check on Tony Blair's ex-mate Gaddafi regarding Oil and the ditching of the Dollar. At the end of your investigations you might agree or disagree as to why we had to go to War, it's up to you -it's a free country, unless of course the American Government doesn't agree with you. The important thing is this: at least you should have reduced the amount of brainwashing and propaganda that is controlling your thoughtsand be basing your support -or otherwise- for these Wars/Conflicts armed with more information. Here is something to help you on your way: The end of the Dollar by Ron Paul www.lewrockwell.com/ paul/paul303.html
The thing is Lonnie, there is a big difference between questioning an 'illegal war' with a Country and 'defending/praising' their dictator. Yes, there are issues surrounding our involvement in the war against Iraq and the claims of WMD, as well as financing the purchase of weapons etc. However, there is absolutely no doubt that Hussein was guilty of war crimes against his own people and those in neighbouring countries. As such, I still do not understand why people such as Galloway put this man on a pedestal. He was, after all, a vile criminal, irrespective of whether it was our responsibility to capture/trial him..! . This has obviously been made worse by the subsequent capture, trial and execution of Hussein. Some of his 'followers' are now treating him as a modern day Martyr and he is certainly not one of those. . Let's be brutally honest about this. Galloway ONLY won his seat because of his views against the war on Iraq and his own opinion of Hussein. Had he been contesting the seat in a non-Asian community, he wouldn't have got anywhere near the number of votes that he did. Had he been running for the seat in Bradford South (for example), we wouldn't be having this debate. . As for his 'spin' above, I will believe it when I see it. If he can find wealthy backers that can take Bradford City forward and those backers are legit, I am all for it. As long as it isn't his 'dirty' money being invested, I don't see why others are against it. Surely progression is .... progression?
Correct - and you only have to look at the state of the areas the people who voted him in live in to see the irony of it.

'Respect' party voted in by the section of society with the least respect for themselves, other people or their surroundings.

It's not really worth arguing the point because like all Galloway's other promises, it'll come to nothing. Still, it's given us some entertainment for a day or two!
[quote][p][bold]Waynus1971[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lonniejockstrap[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nowt fresh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dapiackle[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]murphyslaw[/bold] wrote: LET ME REMIND PEOPLE OUR YOUNG LADS HAVE GIVEN THEIR LIVES FOR OUR COUNTRY AND THIS **** SHOOK THE HAND OF THE DESPOT RESPONSIBLE.[/p][/quote]The despots responsible for the Iraq war were Mr. Blair & Bush and their cronies, unless I missed something and there were in fact WMDs in Iraq and Saddam (installed and funded by the West, just like the Taliban) had in fact attacked us, and that he tried to harbour Al-Qaeda. A totally pointless and illegal war in a dreadful part of the world that wasn't worth one drop of any British serviceman's blood.[/p][/quote]Bang on the money (excuse the pun) dapiackle :-)[/p][/quote]What we ALL need to stop doing is believing what politicians say without question. What we ALL need to start doing is searching below the superficial stories that are printed in the media about why we should invade or attack other countries around the World. Then, when we have used our Brain to THINK and understand the REAL reasons we can then chose to either agree or disagree with those REAL reasons for what is being done in our name. Can anyone tell me why the Taliban were invited to Washington to discuss deals/contracts etc to run Gas and Oil pipes through Afghanistan if they were at that time, so unacceptable to the West? Guess what happened to Afghanistan a short period of time after the Taliban refused to do the deals with the major Energy Corporations re the pipelines? Why is the American Government trying it's damnedest to overthrow the Democratically elected president of Venezuela? Could it be something to do with Chavez trying to sell Oil based on the strength of the Euro instead of the Dollar? What's the real reason that threats are being made to attack Iran? Could it be something to do with Iran trying to sell Oil based on the strength of the Euro instead of the Dollar as opposed to another threat of WMD? Also, investigate what Saddam Hussein did as regards selling Oil based on the Euro and not the Dollar? Still haven't found those WMD's that threatened the West have we? Oh, and you might as well check on Tony Blair's ex-mate Gaddafi regarding Oil and the ditching of the Dollar. At the end of your investigations you might agree or disagree as to why we had to go to War, it's up to you -it's a free country, unless of course the American Government doesn't agree with you. The important thing is this: at least you should have reduced the amount of brainwashing and propaganda that is controlling your thoughtsand be basing your support -or otherwise- for these Wars/Conflicts armed with more information. Here is something to help you on your way: The end of the Dollar by Ron Paul www.lewrockwell.com/ paul/paul303.html[/p][/quote]The thing is Lonnie, there is a big difference between questioning an 'illegal war' with a Country and 'defending/praising' their dictator. Yes, there are issues surrounding our involvement in the war against Iraq and the claims of WMD, as well as financing the purchase of weapons etc. However, there is absolutely no doubt that Hussein was guilty of war crimes against his own people and those in neighbouring countries. As such, I still do not understand why people such as Galloway put this man on a pedestal. He was, after all, a vile criminal, irrespective of whether it was our responsibility to capture/trial him..! . This has obviously been made worse by the subsequent capture, trial and execution of Hussein. Some of his 'followers' are now treating him as a modern day Martyr and he is certainly not one of those. . Let's be brutally honest about this. Galloway ONLY won his seat because of his views against the war on Iraq and his own opinion of Hussein. Had he been contesting the seat in a non-Asian community, he wouldn't have got anywhere near the number of votes that he did. Had he been running for the seat in Bradford South (for example), we wouldn't be having this debate. . As for his 'spin' above, I will believe it when I see it. If he can find wealthy backers that can take Bradford City forward and those backers are legit, I am all for it. As long as it isn't his 'dirty' money being invested, I don't see why others are against it. Surely progression is .... progression?[/p][/quote]Correct - and you only have to look at the state of the areas the people who voted him in live in to see the irony of it. 'Respect' party voted in by the section of society with the least respect for themselves, other people or their surroundings. It's not really worth arguing the point because like all Galloway's other promises, it'll come to nothing. Still, it's given us some entertainment for a day or two! bettyswollocks
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9:26am Fri 13 Apr 12

legallyblonde says...

Strikes me he is trying to be everything to everyone = he will promise the earth to try get support, but the truth is talk is cheap.
Strikes me he is trying to be everything to everyone = he will promise the earth to try get support, but the truth is talk is cheap. legallyblonde
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10:51am Fri 13 Apr 12

Grandad final says...

hollymae wrote:
Grandad final wrote: "politician’s rhetoric" well any publicity is good publicity eh? Would that be the Blackburn Bulls then? Question: One James2Odsal on RLFANS.com or a big wad of notes from George and his mob? I know where my money is going and my head is held high....COME ON JAMES and COYB!!!! PS IF GG REALLY DOES WANT TO HELP THEN DROP HALF A MILLION IN USED NOTES IN AN ENVELOPE AND POP IT ANON INTO THE OFFICE ASAP AND STOP TRYING TO BUY US COS IT DUNT WORK!
Grandad Final - whats the James2odsl all about - somebody else has mentioned this to me today...enlighten me please!!
Hi Hollymae.
Go here:
http://forums.rlfans
.com/viewtopic.php?t
smp=1334310279&f=19&
t=524674&sid=de741b6
d2433895fd7751d2d7f1
341b1

He's a downs syndrome lad who lives in the North East. He like us love his Bulls and is preparing to walk the 150+ miles from his home to Bradford to raise the rest of the money we need and I think it's going to be BIG...even the Rhino's are getting involved. He has already plenty of support in his home Town and they don't even support rugby league..Have a read!

If GG walks all the way with him I'll consider voting for him ;-) and then we'll know it's not all just p and wind to get around us in his stocking feet for votes won't we.

COYB
[quote][p][bold]hollymae[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Grandad final[/bold] wrote: "politician’s rhetoric" well any publicity is good publicity eh? Would that be the Blackburn Bulls then? Question: One James2Odsal on RLFANS.com or a big wad of notes from George and his mob? I know where my money is going and my head is held high....COME ON JAMES and COYB!!!! PS IF GG REALLY DOES WANT TO HELP THEN DROP HALF A MILLION IN USED NOTES IN AN ENVELOPE AND POP IT ANON INTO THE OFFICE ASAP AND STOP TRYING TO BUY US COS IT DUNT WORK![/p][/quote]Grandad Final - whats the James2odsl all about - somebody else has mentioned this to me today...enlighten me please!![/p][/quote]Hi Hollymae. Go here: http://forums.rlfans .com/viewtopic.php?t smp=1334310279&f=19& t=524674&sid=de741b6 d2433895fd7751d2d7f1 341b1 He's a downs syndrome lad who lives in the North East. He like us love his Bulls and is preparing to walk the 150+ miles from his home to Bradford to raise the rest of the money we need and I think it's going to be BIG...even the Rhino's are getting involved. He has already plenty of support in his home Town and they don't even support rugby league..Have a read! If GG walks all the way with him I'll consider voting for him ;-) and then we'll know it's not all just p and wind to get around us in his stocking feet for votes won't we. COYB Grandad final
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11:09am Fri 13 Apr 12

harvey111 says...

roofie321 wrote:
Remember this is the bloke that during his campaign said he didn't drink and when he won the election put on twitter it was great winning and representing Blackburn
GG says his twitter account had been hacked
[quote][p][bold]roofie321[/bold] wrote: Remember this is the bloke that during his campaign said he didn't drink and when he won the election put on twitter it was great winning and representing Blackburn[/p][/quote]GG says his twitter account had been hacked harvey111
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11:14am Fri 13 Apr 12

BD16 says...

Grandad final wrote:
hollymae wrote:
Grandad final wrote: "politician’s rhetoric" well any publicity is good publicity eh? Would that be the Blackburn Bulls then? Question: One James2Odsal on RLFANS.com or a big wad of notes from George and his mob? I know where my money is going and my head is held high....COME ON JAMES and COYB!!!! PS IF GG REALLY DOES WANT TO HELP THEN DROP HALF A MILLION IN USED NOTES IN AN ENVELOPE AND POP IT ANON INTO THE OFFICE ASAP AND STOP TRYING TO BUY US COS IT DUNT WORK!
Grandad Final - whats the James2odsl all about - somebody else has mentioned this to me today...enlighten me please!!
Hi Hollymae. Go here: http://forums.rlfans .com/viewtopic.php?t smp=1334310279&f
=19& t=524674&sid=de7
41b6 d2433895fd7751d2d7f1 341b1 He's a downs syndrome lad who lives in the North East. He like us love his Bulls and is preparing to walk the 150+ miles from his home to Bradford to raise the rest of the money we need and I think it's going to be BIG...even the Rhino's are getting involved. He has already plenty of support in his home Town and they don't even support rugby league..Have a read! If GG walks all the way with him I'll consider voting for him ;-) and then we'll know it's not all just p and wind to get around us in his stocking feet for votes won't we. COYB
I have just had a look at that link and think that's a fabulous effort. I've registered for an account on that forum and will be happy to offer a word of encouragement and sponsor James should he do the walk.
[quote][p][bold]Grandad final[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hollymae[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Grandad final[/bold] wrote: "politician’s rhetoric" well any publicity is good publicity eh? Would that be the Blackburn Bulls then? Question: One James2Odsal on RLFANS.com or a big wad of notes from George and his mob? I know where my money is going and my head is held high....COME ON JAMES and COYB!!!! PS IF GG REALLY DOES WANT TO HELP THEN DROP HALF A MILLION IN USED NOTES IN AN ENVELOPE AND POP IT ANON INTO THE OFFICE ASAP AND STOP TRYING TO BUY US COS IT DUNT WORK![/p][/quote]Grandad Final - whats the James2odsl all about - somebody else has mentioned this to me today...enlighten me please!![/p][/quote]Hi Hollymae. Go here: http://forums.rlfans .com/viewtopic.php?t smp=1334310279&f =19& t=524674&sid=de7 41b6 d2433895fd7751d2d7f1 341b1 He's a downs syndrome lad who lives in the North East. He like us love his Bulls and is preparing to walk the 150+ miles from his home to Bradford to raise the rest of the money we need and I think it's going to be BIG...even the Rhino's are getting involved. He has already plenty of support in his home Town and they don't even support rugby league..Have a read! If GG walks all the way with him I'll consider voting for him ;-) and then we'll know it's not all just p and wind to get around us in his stocking feet for votes won't we. COYB[/p][/quote]I have just had a look at that link and think that's a fabulous effort. I've registered for an account on that forum and will be happy to offer a word of encouragement and sponsor James should he do the walk. BD16
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2:11pm Fri 13 Apr 12

H8E US says...

mark04 wrote:
Onebrianmitchell wrote: Four rules in life. Never trust a man who; A) has a beard B) doesn't drink C) doesn't like footy D) wears white socks He ticks a few of those boxes.
So does Jesus Christ.
so does santa clause
[quote][p][bold]mark04[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Onebrianmitchell[/bold] wrote: Four rules in life. Never trust a man who; A) has a beard B) doesn't drink C) doesn't like footy D) wears white socks He ticks a few of those boxes.[/p][/quote]So does Jesus Christ.[/p][/quote]so does santa clause H8E US
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2:19pm Fri 13 Apr 12

H8E US says...

Garth Bulb wrote:
In response mark04, Mr Galloway is a little fish and Bradford is a big pond! I hope he can back up his mouth for the sake of our beloved City.His cheap talk and bonding sessions with Saddam Hussain beggar me to believe what kind of Bradfordian would elect him?
Hahaha Garth you are an absolute doughnut......howeve
r one bit I agree is that bradford is a big pond if its not gonna be a big pond after the +26million pounds the stupid council has spent i dont know what it would be......anyway you all blown council estate low life scums have gone completely off the subject - he is trying to save a club y the iraq war n why are you talking about the legendary saddam god only knows...
[quote][p][bold]Garth Bulb[/bold] wrote: In response mark04, Mr Galloway is a little fish and Bradford is a big pond! I hope he can back up his mouth for the sake of our beloved City.His cheap talk and bonding sessions with Saddam Hussain beggar me to believe what kind of Bradfordian would elect him?[/p][/quote]Hahaha Garth you are an absolute doughnut......howeve r one bit I agree is that bradford is a big pond if its not gonna be a big pond after the +26million pounds the stupid council has spent i dont know what it would be......anyway you all blown council estate low life scums have gone completely off the subject - he is trying to save a club y the iraq war n why are you talking about the legendary saddam god only knows... H8E US
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4:34pm Fri 13 Apr 12

lonniejockstrap says...

bettyswollocks wrote:
Waynus1971 wrote:
lonniejockstrap wrote:
nowt fresh wrote:
dapiackle wrote:
murphyslaw wrote: LET ME REMIND PEOPLE OUR YOUNG LADS HAVE GIVEN THEIR LIVES FOR OUR COUNTRY AND THIS **** SHOOK THE HAND OF THE DESPOT RESPONSIBLE.
The despots responsible for the Iraq war were Mr. Blair & Bush and their cronies, unless I missed something and there were in fact WMDs in Iraq and Saddam (installed and funded by the West, just like the Taliban) had in fact attacked us, and that he tried to harbour Al-Qaeda. A totally pointless and illegal war in a dreadful part of the world that wasn't worth one drop of any British serviceman's blood.
Bang on the money (excuse the pun) dapiackle :-)
What we ALL need to stop doing is believing what politicians say without question. What we ALL need to start doing is searching below the superficial stories that are printed in the media about why we should invade or attack other countries around the World. Then, when we have used our Brain to THINK and understand the REAL reasons we can then chose to either agree or disagree with those REAL reasons for what is being done in our name. Can anyone tell me why the Taliban were invited to Washington to discuss deals/contracts etc to run Gas and Oil pipes through Afghanistan if they were at that time, so unacceptable to the West? Guess what happened to Afghanistan a short period of time after the Taliban refused to do the deals with the major Energy Corporations re the pipelines? Why is the American Government trying it's damnedest to overthrow the Democratically elected president of Venezuela? Could it be something to do with Chavez trying to sell Oil based on the strength of the Euro instead of the Dollar? What's the real reason that threats are being made to attack Iran? Could it be something to do with Iran trying to sell Oil based on the strength of the Euro instead of the Dollar as opposed to another threat of WMD? Also, investigate what Saddam Hussein did as regards selling Oil based on the Euro and not the Dollar? Still haven't found those WMD's that threatened the West have we? Oh, and you might as well check on Tony Blair's ex-mate Gaddafi regarding Oil and the ditching of the Dollar. At the end of your investigations you might agree or disagree as to why we had to go to War, it's up to you -it's a free country, unless of course the American Government doesn't agree with you. The important thing is this: at least you should have reduced the amount of brainwashing and propaganda that is controlling your thoughtsand be basing your support -or otherwise- for these Wars/Conflicts armed with more information. Here is something to help you on your way: The end of the Dollar by Ron Paul www.lewrockwell.com/ paul/paul303.html
The thing is Lonnie, there is a big difference between questioning an 'illegal war' with a Country and 'defending/praising' their dictator. Yes, there are issues surrounding our involvement in the war against Iraq and the claims of WMD, as well as financing the purchase of weapons etc. However, there is absolutely no doubt that Hussein was guilty of war crimes against his own people and those in neighbouring countries. As such, I still do not understand why people such as Galloway put this man on a pedestal. He was, after all, a vile criminal, irrespective of whether it was our responsibility to capture/trial him..! . This has obviously been made worse by the subsequent capture, trial and execution of Hussein. Some of his 'followers' are now treating him as a modern day Martyr and he is certainly not one of those. . Let's be brutally honest about this. Galloway ONLY won his seat because of his views against the war on Iraq and his own opinion of Hussein. Had he been contesting the seat in a non-Asian community, he wouldn't have got anywhere near the number of votes that he did. Had he been running for the seat in Bradford South (for example), we wouldn't be having this debate. . As for his 'spin' above, I will believe it when I see it. If he can find wealthy backers that can take Bradford City forward and those backers are legit, I am all for it. As long as it isn't his 'dirty' money being invested, I don't see why others are against it. Surely progression is .... progression?
Correct - and you only have to look at the state of the areas the people who voted him in live in to see the irony of it.

'Respect' party voted in by the section of society with the least respect for themselves, other people or their surroundings.

It's not really worth arguing the point because like all Galloway's other promises, it'll come to nothing. Still, it's given us some entertainment for a day or two!
I visit a number of areas that around Bradford and Keighley that are far from what could be classed as 'Asian' areas and they are often strewn with litter, old carpets, old mattresses, needles, etc etc with folk walking around in the afternoon in their bedclothes. So you would have a difficult job convincing me that the people who have the 'least respect for themselves, other people or their surroundings' are only 'Asians'. I've found that challenging my own assumptions and prejudices helps me see things in a truer light. Maybe you should consider doing the same.
[quote][p][bold]bettyswollocks[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Waynus1971[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lonniejockstrap[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nowt fresh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dapiackle[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]murphyslaw[/bold] wrote: LET ME REMIND PEOPLE OUR YOUNG LADS HAVE GIVEN THEIR LIVES FOR OUR COUNTRY AND THIS **** SHOOK THE HAND OF THE DESPOT RESPONSIBLE.[/p][/quote]The despots responsible for the Iraq war were Mr. Blair & Bush and their cronies, unless I missed something and there were in fact WMDs in Iraq and Saddam (installed and funded by the West, just like the Taliban) had in fact attacked us, and that he tried to harbour Al-Qaeda. A totally pointless and illegal war in a dreadful part of the world that wasn't worth one drop of any British serviceman's blood.[/p][/quote]Bang on the money (excuse the pun) dapiackle :-)[/p][/quote]What we ALL need to stop doing is believing what politicians say without question. What we ALL need to start doing is searching below the superficial stories that are printed in the media about why we should invade or attack other countries around the World. Then, when we have used our Brain to THINK and understand the REAL reasons we can then chose to either agree or disagree with those REAL reasons for what is being done in our name. Can anyone tell me why the Taliban were invited to Washington to discuss deals/contracts etc to run Gas and Oil pipes through Afghanistan if they were at that time, so unacceptable to the West? Guess what happened to Afghanistan a short period of time after the Taliban refused to do the deals with the major Energy Corporations re the pipelines? Why is the American Government trying it's damnedest to overthrow the Democratically elected president of Venezuela? Could it be something to do with Chavez trying to sell Oil based on the strength of the Euro instead of the Dollar? What's the real reason that threats are being made to attack Iran? Could it be something to do with Iran trying to sell Oil based on the strength of the Euro instead of the Dollar as opposed to another threat of WMD? Also, investigate what Saddam Hussein did as regards selling Oil based on the Euro and not the Dollar? Still haven't found those WMD's that threatened the West have we? Oh, and you might as well check on Tony Blair's ex-mate Gaddafi regarding Oil and the ditching of the Dollar. At the end of your investigations you might agree or disagree as to why we had to go to War, it's up to you -it's a free country, unless of course the American Government doesn't agree with you. The important thing is this: at least you should have reduced the amount of brainwashing and propaganda that is controlling your thoughtsand be basing your support -or otherwise- for these Wars/Conflicts armed with more information. Here is something to help you on your way: The end of the Dollar by Ron Paul www.lewrockwell.com/ paul/paul303.html[/p][/quote]The thing is Lonnie, there is a big difference between questioning an 'illegal war' with a Country and 'defending/praising' their dictator. Yes, there are issues surrounding our involvement in the war against Iraq and the claims of WMD, as well as financing the purchase of weapons etc. However, there is absolutely no doubt that Hussein was guilty of war crimes against his own people and those in neighbouring countries. As such, I still do not understand why people such as Galloway put this man on a pedestal. He was, after all, a vile criminal, irrespective of whether it was our responsibility to capture/trial him..! . This has obviously been made worse by the subsequent capture, trial and execution of Hussein. Some of his 'followers' are now treating him as a modern day Martyr and he is certainly not one of those. . Let's be brutally honest about this. Galloway ONLY won his seat because of his views against the war on Iraq and his own opinion of Hussein. Had he been contesting the seat in a non-Asian community, he wouldn't have got anywhere near the number of votes that he did. Had he been running for the seat in Bradford South (for example), we wouldn't be having this debate. . As for his 'spin' above, I will believe it when I see it. If he can find wealthy backers that can take Bradford City forward and those backers are legit, I am all for it. As long as it isn't his 'dirty' money being invested, I don't see why others are against it. Surely progression is .... progression?[/p][/quote]Correct - and you only have to look at the state of the areas the people who voted him in live in to see the irony of it. 'Respect' party voted in by the section of society with the least respect for themselves, other people or their surroundings. It's not really worth arguing the point because like all Galloway's other promises, it'll come to nothing. Still, it's given us some entertainment for a day or two![/p][/quote]I visit a number of areas that around Bradford and Keighley that are far from what could be classed as 'Asian' areas and they are often strewn with litter, old carpets, old mattresses, needles, etc etc with folk walking around in the afternoon in their bedclothes. So you would have a difficult job convincing me that the people who have the 'least respect for themselves, other people or their surroundings' are only 'Asians'. I've found that challenging my own assumptions and prejudices helps me see things in a truer light. Maybe you should consider doing the same. lonniejockstrap
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5:15pm Fri 13 Apr 12

Grandad final says...

And what does that tell you about how this City has been run for years by these people and we still give them the time of day.
This is Bradford not Baghdad. What happened to when in Rome?
Political heavyweight my @rse
And what does that tell you about how this City has been run for years by these people and we still give them the time of day. This is Bradford not Baghdad. What happened to when in Rome? Political heavyweight my @rse Grandad final
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6:22pm Fri 13 Apr 12

Prisoner Cell Block A says...

H8E US tis you who is the bulb, you cannot have a discussion involving gorgeous George( I assume this is a p1ss take as he looks like a tramp) without mentioning his foreign allegiances. As with many other football clubs foreign investment tends to be shady at best, criminal at worst. This, if it were ever to come off, praise be to McCall it doesn't, the club would be very visible and likely to be subject to 'proper persons' testing and GG would fall at this hurdle as I don't think Hamas' investment would be welcomed by the FL.

Do us a favour, get involved in something you know and leave us middle-class white folk, RESPECT party line for their W Bradford victory, to our national sport.

Kabbadi anyone?
H8E US tis you who is the bulb, you cannot have a discussion involving gorgeous George( I assume this is a p1ss take as he looks like a tramp) without mentioning his foreign allegiances. As with many other football clubs foreign investment tends to be shady at best, criminal at worst. This, if it were ever to come off, praise be to McCall it doesn't, the club would be very visible and likely to be subject to 'proper persons' testing and GG would fall at this hurdle as I don't think Hamas' investment would be welcomed by the FL. Do us a favour, get involved in something you know and leave us middle-class white folk, RESPECT party line for their W Bradford victory, to our national sport. Kabbadi anyone? Prisoner Cell Block A
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7:03pm Fri 13 Apr 12

huggy b says...

Is Bradford really full of fascists or do they just post on the T&A stories? Some of you guys make Oswald Moseley look kind of reasonable by comparison.
Is Bradford really full of fascists or do they just post on the T&A stories? Some of you guys make Oswald Moseley look kind of reasonable by comparison. huggy b
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7:55pm Fri 13 Apr 12

Prisoner Cell Block A says...

The ghosts of cable street? Hardly.

We want the best for our club and dodgy foreign investment is not the way forward.
The ghosts of cable street? Hardly. We want the best for our club and dodgy foreign investment is not the way forward. Prisoner Cell Block A
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8:40pm Fri 13 Apr 12

mid_northern says...

speakeroftruth wrote:
I have no problem with the mans religion at all.But I do think he changed his religion for votes but at the end of the dayu he is the only person who has so far expressed his desire apart from caisley to put funds but we saw what happened in the club when caisley was last in charge...
He was already a Catholic.
[quote][p][bold]speakeroftruth[/bold] wrote: I have no problem with the mans religion at all.But I do think he changed his religion for votes but at the end of the dayu he is the only person who has so far expressed his desire apart from caisley to put funds but we saw what happened in the club when caisley was last in charge...[/p][/quote]He was already a Catholic. mid_northern
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8:54pm Fri 13 Apr 12

mid_northern says...

Waynus1971 wrote:
lonniejockstrap wrote:
nowt fresh wrote:
dapiackle wrote:
murphyslaw wrote: LET ME REMIND PEOPLE OUR YOUNG LADS HAVE GIVEN THEIR LIVES FOR OUR COUNTRY AND THIS **** SHOOK THE HAND OF THE DESPOT RESPONSIBLE.
The despots responsible for the Iraq war were Mr. Blair & Bush and their cronies, unless I missed something and there were in fact WMDs in Iraq and Saddam (installed and funded by the West, just like the Taliban) had in fact attacked us, and that he tried to harbour Al-Qaeda. A totally pointless and illegal war in a dreadful part of the world that wasn't worth one drop of any British serviceman's blood.
Bang on the money (excuse the pun) dapiackle :-)
What we ALL need to stop doing is believing what politicians say without question. What we ALL need to start doing is searching below the superficial stories that are printed in the media about why we should invade or attack other countries around the World. Then, when we have used our Brain to THINK and understand the REAL reasons we can then chose to either agree or disagree with those REAL reasons for what is being done in our name. Can anyone tell me why the Taliban were invited to Washington to discuss deals/contracts etc to run Gas and Oil pipes through Afghanistan if they were at that time, so unacceptable to the West? Guess what happened to Afghanistan a short period of time after the Taliban refused to do the deals with the major Energy Corporations re the pipelines? Why is the American Government trying it's damnedest to overthrow the Democratically elected president of Venezuela? Could it be something to do with Chavez trying to sell Oil based on the strength of the Euro instead of the Dollar? What's the real reason that threats are being made to attack Iran? Could it be something to do with Iran trying to sell Oil based on the strength of the Euro instead of the Dollar as opposed to another threat of WMD? Also, investigate what Saddam Hussein did as regards selling Oil based on the Euro and not the Dollar? Still haven't found those WMD's that threatened the West have we? Oh, and you might as well check on Tony Blair's ex-mate Gaddafi regarding Oil and the ditching of the Dollar. At the end of your investigations you might agree or disagree as to why we had to go to War, it's up to you -it's a free country, unless of course the American Government doesn't agree with you. The important thing is this: at least you should have reduced the amount of brainwashing and propaganda that is controlling your thoughtsand be basing your support -or otherwise- for these Wars/Conflicts armed with more information. Here is something to help you on your way: The end of the Dollar by Ron Paul www.lewrockwell.com/ paul/paul303.html
The thing is Lonnie, there is a big difference between questioning an 'illegal war' with a Country and 'defending/praising' their dictator. Yes, there are issues surrounding our involvement in the war against Iraq and the claims of WMD, as well as financing the purchase of weapons etc. However, there is absolutely no doubt that Hussein was guilty of war crimes against his own people and those in neighbouring countries. As such, I still do not understand why people such as Galloway put this man on a pedestal. He was, after all, a vile criminal, irrespective of whether it was our responsibility to capture/trial him..!
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This has obviously been made worse by the subsequent capture, trial and execution of Hussein. Some of his 'followers' are now treating him as a modern day Martyr and he is certainly not one of those.
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Let's be brutally honest about this. Galloway ONLY won his seat because of his views against the war on Iraq and his own opinion of Hussein. Had he been contesting the seat in a non-Asian community, he wouldn't have got anywhere near the number of votes that he did. Had he been running for the seat in Bradford South (for example), we wouldn't be having this debate.
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As for his 'spin' above, I will believe it when I see it. If he can find wealthy backers that can take Bradford City forward and those backers are legit, I am all for it. As long as it isn't his 'dirty' money being invested, I don't see why others are against it. Surely progression is .... progression?
Galloway did not put Saddam "on a pedastal" ... he opposed the vile, illegal war that was unleashed upon the people of Iraq for the greed and profit of the rich and powerful in *our* countries.

Berore that he also opposed the sanctions that punished a whole population and caused over a million deaths is not the same as supporting the regime in Iraq.

George Galloway never supported the Saddam Hussein regime and it is a lie to say that he did. It is on public record that he opposed it.
[quote][p][bold]Waynus1971[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lonniejockstrap[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nowt fresh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dapiackle[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]murphyslaw[/bold] wrote: LET ME REMIND PEOPLE OUR YOUNG LADS HAVE GIVEN THEIR LIVES FOR OUR COUNTRY AND THIS **** SHOOK THE HAND OF THE DESPOT RESPONSIBLE.[/p][/quote]The despots responsible for the Iraq war were Mr. Blair & Bush and their cronies, unless I missed something and there were in fact WMDs in Iraq and Saddam (installed and funded by the West, just like the Taliban) had in fact attacked us, and that he tried to harbour Al-Qaeda. A totally pointless and illegal war in a dreadful part of the world that wasn't worth one drop of any British serviceman's blood.[/p][/quote]Bang on the money (excuse the pun) dapiackle :-)[/p][/quote]What we ALL need to stop doing is believing what politicians say without question. What we ALL need to start doing is searching below the superficial stories that are printed in the media about why we should invade or attack other countries around the World. Then, when we have used our Brain to THINK and understand the REAL reasons we can then chose to either agree or disagree with those REAL reasons for what is being done in our name. Can anyone tell me why the Taliban were invited to Washington to discuss deals/contracts etc to run Gas and Oil pipes through Afghanistan if they were at that time, so unacceptable to the West? Guess what happened to Afghanistan a short period of time after the Taliban refused to do the deals with the major Energy Corporations re the pipelines? Why is the American Government trying it's damnedest to overthrow the Democratically elected president of Venezuela? Could it be something to do with Chavez trying to sell Oil based on the strength of the Euro instead of the Dollar? What's the real reason that threats are being made to attack Iran? Could it be something to do with Iran trying to sell Oil based on the strength of the Euro instead of the Dollar as opposed to another threat of WMD? Also, investigate what Saddam Hussein did as regards selling Oil based on the Euro and not the Dollar? Still haven't found those WMD's that threatened the West have we? Oh, and you might as well check on Tony Blair's ex-mate Gaddafi regarding Oil and the ditching of the Dollar. At the end of your investigations you might agree or disagree as to why we had to go to War, it's up to you -it's a free country, unless of course the American Government doesn't agree with you. The important thing is this: at least you should have reduced the amount of brainwashing and propaganda that is controlling your thoughtsand be basing your support -or otherwise- for these Wars/Conflicts armed with more information. Here is something to help you on your way: The end of the Dollar by Ron Paul www.lewrockwell.com/ paul/paul303.html[/p][/quote]The thing is Lonnie, there is a big difference between questioning an 'illegal war' with a Country and 'defending/praising' their dictator. Yes, there are issues surrounding our involvement in the war against Iraq and the claims of WMD, as well as financing the purchase of weapons etc. However, there is absolutely no doubt that Hussein was guilty of war crimes against his own people and those in neighbouring countries. As such, I still do not understand why people such as Galloway put this man on a pedestal. He was, after all, a vile criminal, irrespective of whether it was our responsibility to capture/trial him..! . This has obviously been made worse by the subsequent capture, trial and execution of Hussein. Some of his 'followers' are now treating him as a modern day Martyr and he is certainly not one of those. . Let's be brutally honest about this. Galloway ONLY won his seat because of his views against the war on Iraq and his own opinion of Hussein. Had he been contesting the seat in a non-Asian community, he wouldn't have got anywhere near the number of votes that he did. Had he been running for the seat in Bradford South (for example), we wouldn't be having this debate. . As for his 'spin' above, I will believe it when I see it. If he can find wealthy backers that can take Bradford City forward and those backers are legit, I am all for it. As long as it isn't his 'dirty' money being invested, I don't see why others are against it. Surely progression is .... progression?[/p][/quote]Galloway did not put Saddam "on a pedastal" ... he opposed the vile, illegal war that was unleashed upon the people of Iraq for the greed and profit of the rich and powerful in *our* countries. Berore that he also opposed the sanctions that punished a whole population and caused over a million deaths is not the same as supporting the regime in Iraq. George Galloway never supported the Saddam Hussein regime and it is a lie to say that he did. It is on public record that he opposed it. mid_northern
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8:57pm Fri 13 Apr 12

mid_northern says...

mid_northern wrote:
Waynus1971 wrote:
lonniejockstrap wrote:
nowt fresh wrote:
dapiackle wrote:
murphyslaw wrote: LET ME REMIND PEOPLE OUR YOUNG LADS HAVE GIVEN THEIR LIVES FOR OUR COUNTRY AND THIS **** SHOOK THE HAND OF THE DESPOT RESPONSIBLE.
The despots responsible for the Iraq war were Mr. Blair & Bush and their cronies, unless I missed something and there were in fact WMDs in Iraq and Saddam (installed and funded by the West, just like the Taliban) had in fact attacked us, and that he tried to harbour Al-Qaeda. A totally pointless and illegal war in a dreadful part of the world that wasn't worth one drop of any British serviceman's blood.
Bang on the money (excuse the pun) dapiackle :-)
What we ALL need to stop doing is believing what politicians say without question. What we ALL need to start doing is searching below the superficial stories that are printed in the media about why we should invade or attack other countries around the World. Then, when we have used our Brain to THINK and understand the REAL reasons we can then chose to either agree or disagree with those REAL reasons for what is being done in our name. Can anyone tell me why the Taliban were invited to Washington to discuss deals/contracts etc to run Gas and Oil pipes through Afghanistan if they were at that time, so unacceptable to the West? Guess what happened to Afghanistan a short period of time after the Taliban refused to do the deals with the major Energy Corporations re the pipelines? Why is the American Government trying it's damnedest to overthrow the Democratically elected president of Venezuela? Could it be something to do with Chavez trying to sell Oil based on the strength of the Euro instead of the Dollar? What's the real reason that threats are being made to attack Iran? Could it be something to do with Iran trying to sell Oil based on the strength of the Euro instead of the Dollar as opposed to another threat of WMD? Also, investigate what Saddam Hussein did as regards selling Oil based on the Euro and not the Dollar? Still haven't found those WMD's that threatened the West have we? Oh, and you might as well check on Tony Blair's ex-mate Gaddafi regarding Oil and the ditching of the Dollar. At the end of your investigations you might agree or disagree as to why we had to go to War, it's up to you -it's a free country, unless of course the American Government doesn't agree with you. The important thing is this: at least you should have reduced the amount of brainwashing and propaganda that is controlling your thoughtsand be basing your support -or otherwise- for these Wars/Conflicts armed with more information. Here is something to help you on your way: The end of the Dollar by Ron Paul www.lewrockwell.com/ paul/paul303.html
The thing is Lonnie, there is a big difference between questioning an 'illegal war' with a Country and 'defending/praising' their dictator. Yes, there are issues surrounding our involvement in the war against Iraq and the claims of WMD, as well as financing the purchase of weapons etc. However, there is absolutely no doubt that Hussein was guilty of war crimes against his own people and those in neighbouring countries. As such, I still do not understand why people such as Galloway put this man on a pedestal. He was, after all, a vile criminal, irrespective of whether it was our responsibility to capture/trial him..!
.
This has obviously been made worse by the subsequent capture, trial and execution of Hussein. Some of his 'followers' are now treating him as a modern day Martyr and he is certainly not one of those.
.
Let's be brutally honest about this. Galloway ONLY won his seat because of his views against the war on Iraq and his own opinion of Hussein. Had he been contesting the seat in a non-Asian community, he wouldn't have got anywhere near the number of votes that he did. Had he been running for the seat in Bradford South (for example), we wouldn't be having this debate.
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As for his 'spin' above, I will believe it when I see it. If he can find wealthy backers that can take Bradford City forward and those backers are legit, I am all for it. As long as it isn't his 'dirty' money being invested, I don't see why others are against it. Surely progression is .... progression?
Galloway did not put Saddam "on a pedastal" ... he opposed the vile, illegal war that was unleashed upon the people of Iraq for the greed and profit of the rich and powerful in *our* countries.

Berore that he also opposed the sanctions that punished a whole population and caused over a million deaths is not the same as supporting the regime in Iraq.

George Galloway never supported the Saddam Hussein regime and it is a lie to say that he did. It is on public record that he opposed it.
Oh dear ... love the typos :-D

Sorry, I'm a bit tired.
[quote][p][bold]mid_northern[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Waynus1971[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lonniejockstrap[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nowt fresh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dapiackle[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]murphyslaw[/bold] wrote: LET ME REMIND PEOPLE OUR YOUNG LADS HAVE GIVEN THEIR LIVES FOR OUR COUNTRY AND THIS **** SHOOK THE HAND OF THE DESPOT RESPONSIBLE.[/p][/quote]The despots responsible for the Iraq war were Mr. Blair & Bush and their cronies, unless I missed something and there were in fact WMDs in Iraq and Saddam (installed and funded by the West, just like the Taliban) had in fact attacked us, and that he tried to harbour Al-Qaeda. A totally pointless and illegal war in a dreadful part of the world that wasn't worth one drop of any British serviceman's blood.[/p][/quote]Bang on the money (excuse the pun) dapiackle :-)[/p][/quote]What we ALL need to stop doing is believing what politicians say without question. What we ALL need to start doing is searching below the superficial stories that are printed in the media about why we should invade or attack other countries around the World. Then, when we have used our Brain to THINK and understand the REAL reasons we can then chose to either agree or disagree with those REAL reasons for what is being done in our name. Can anyone tell me why the Taliban were invited to Washington to discuss deals/contracts etc to run Gas and Oil pipes through Afghanistan if they were at that time, so unacceptable to the West? Guess what happened to Afghanistan a short period of time after the Taliban refused to do the deals with the major Energy Corporations re the pipelines? Why is the American Government trying it's damnedest to overthrow the Democratically elected president of Venezuela? Could it be something to do with Chavez trying to sell Oil based on the strength of the Euro instead of the Dollar? What's the real reason that threats are being made to attack Iran? Could it be something to do with Iran trying to sell Oil based on the strength of the Euro instead of the Dollar as opposed to another threat of WMD? Also, investigate what Saddam Hussein did as regards selling Oil based on the Euro and not the Dollar? Still haven't found those WMD's that threatened the West have we? Oh, and you might as well check on Tony Blair's ex-mate Gaddafi regarding Oil and the ditching of the Dollar. At the end of your investigations you might agree or disagree as to why we had to go to War, it's up to you -it's a free country, unless of course the American Government doesn't agree with you. The important thing is this: at least you should have reduced the amount of brainwashing and propaganda that is controlling your thoughtsand be basing your support -or otherwise- for these Wars/Conflicts armed with more information. Here is something to help you on your way: The end of the Dollar by Ron Paul www.lewrockwell.com/ paul/paul303.html[/p][/quote]The thing is Lonnie, there is a big difference between questioning an 'illegal war' with a Country and 'defending/praising' their dictator. Yes, there are issues surrounding our involvement in the war against Iraq and the claims of WMD, as well as financing the purchase of weapons etc. However, there is absolutely no doubt that Hussein was guilty of war crimes against his own people and those in neighbouring countries. As such, I still do not understand why people such as Galloway put this man on a pedestal. He was, after all, a vile criminal, irrespective of whether it was our responsibility to capture/trial him..! . This has obviously been made worse by the subsequent capture, trial and execution of Hussein. Some of his 'followers' are now treating him as a modern day Martyr and he is certainly not one of those. . Let's be brutally honest about this. Galloway ONLY won his seat because of his views against the war on Iraq and his own opinion of Hussein. Had he been contesting the seat in a non-Asian community, he wouldn't have got anywhere near the number of votes that he did. Had he been running for the seat in Bradford South (for example), we wouldn't be having this debate. . As for his 'spin' above, I will believe it when I see it. If he can find wealthy backers that can take Bradford City forward and those backers are legit, I am all for it. As long as it isn't his 'dirty' money being invested, I don't see why others are against it. Surely progression is .... progression?[/p][/quote]Galloway did not put Saddam "on a pedastal" ... he opposed the vile, illegal war that was unleashed upon the people of Iraq for the greed and profit of the rich and powerful in *our* countries. Berore that he also opposed the sanctions that punished a whole population and caused over a million deaths is not the same as supporting the regime in Iraq. George Galloway never supported the Saddam Hussein regime and it is a lie to say that he did. It is on public record that he opposed it.[/p][/quote]Oh dear ... love the typos :-D Sorry, I'm a bit tired. mid_northern
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9:18pm Fri 13 Apr 12

koparmy says...

Welcome George. This city has been run by a bunch of useless politicians for all too long, barely any of them have bothered about events at Valley Parade or anywhere outside their own tiny powerbases. GG is at least trying, so lets give him the benefit of the doubt.

But no, the half-baked self-appointed 'silent majority' (what a laugh that phrase is, do you tell yourselves that whilst sat on the bar stool?) have hijacked the thread.

Bradford is rubbished, entire communities abused, is this the way forward? Is it any wonder we are going down the plug hole in this city when we have such self-haters as is epitomised on this site? The existing politicians have hardly served this city well have they? George might be just exactly what we need.
Welcome George. This city has been run by a bunch of useless politicians for all too long, barely any of them have bothered about events at Valley Parade or anywhere outside their own tiny powerbases. GG is at least trying, so lets give him the benefit of the doubt. But no, the half-baked self-appointed 'silent majority' (what a laugh that phrase is, do you tell yourselves that whilst sat on the bar stool?) have hijacked the thread. Bradford is rubbished, entire communities abused, is this the way forward? Is it any wonder we are going down the plug hole in this city when we have such self-haters as is epitomised on this site? The existing politicians have hardly served this city well have they? George might be just exactly what we need. koparmy
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9:21pm Fri 13 Apr 12

mid_northern says...

koparmy wrote:
Welcome George. This city has been run by a bunch of useless politicians for all too long, barely any of them have bothered about events at Valley Parade or anywhere outside their own tiny powerbases. GG is at least trying, so lets give him the benefit of the doubt.

But no, the half-baked self-appointed 'silent majority' (what a laugh that phrase is, do you tell yourselves that whilst sat on the bar stool?) have hijacked the thread.

Bradford is rubbished, entire communities abused, is this the way forward? Is it any wonder we are going down the plug hole in this city when we have such self-haters as is epitomised on this site? The existing politicians have hardly served this city well have they? George might be just exactly what we need.
Well said!
[quote][p][bold]koparmy[/bold] wrote: Welcome George. This city has been run by a bunch of useless politicians for all too long, barely any of them have bothered about events at Valley Parade or anywhere outside their own tiny powerbases. GG is at least trying, so lets give him the benefit of the doubt. But no, the half-baked self-appointed 'silent majority' (what a laugh that phrase is, do you tell yourselves that whilst sat on the bar stool?) have hijacked the thread. Bradford is rubbished, entire communities abused, is this the way forward? Is it any wonder we are going down the plug hole in this city when we have such self-haters as is epitomised on this site? The existing politicians have hardly served this city well have they? George might be just exactly what we need.[/p][/quote]Well said! mid_northern
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9:34pm Fri 13 Apr 12

koparmy says...

Welcome George. This city has been run by a bunch of useless politicians for all too long, barely any of them have bothered about events at Valley Parade or anywhere outside their own tiny powerbases. GG is at least trying, so lets give him the benefit of the doubt.

But no, the half-baked self-appointed 'silent majority' (what a laugh that phrase is, do you tell yourselves that whilst sat on the bar stool?) have hijacked the thread.

Bradford is rubbished, entire communities abused, is this the way forward? Is it any wonder we are going down the plug hole in this city when we have such self-haters as is epitomised on this site? The existing politicians have hardly served this city well have they? George might be just exactly what we need.
Welcome George. This city has been run by a bunch of useless politicians for all too long, barely any of them have bothered about events at Valley Parade or anywhere outside their own tiny powerbases. GG is at least trying, so lets give him the benefit of the doubt. But no, the half-baked self-appointed 'silent majority' (what a laugh that phrase is, do you tell yourselves that whilst sat on the bar stool?) have hijacked the thread. Bradford is rubbished, entire communities abused, is this the way forward? Is it any wonder we are going down the plug hole in this city when we have such self-haters as is epitomised on this site? The existing politicians have hardly served this city well have they? George might be just exactly what we need. koparmy
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1:48am Sat 14 Apr 12

still got a pulse says...

Babbsy wrote:
What is up with people? We have incompetent people at the top at both Valley Parade and Odsal, and people are turning their noses up at potential club transforming amounts of money that could see both re-emerge as forces in their respective sports after years of decline. I was far from Mr Galloway's biggest fan, but if he can help bring an end to the last 11 years of misery I've had to endure at Valley Parade he'll get my vote for the next ten years. If he can help bring to an end the 11 year disgrace that have also been Westfield and the Odeon too he'll get my vote for life and I'll also end up loving this man. he's high profile and he's the only person who's walked into this City in a decade who's wanted to change it's prospects rather than either sweeping the problems under the carpet, or leaving at the first available opportunity. We can only hope all this promise won't prove to be a false dawn, but ath the moment the mere fact that the disgrace that is Westfied and the Odeon are now in the National concious, which is more than has happend in all that time. The Country usually just closes it's eyes and pretends Bradford isn't there usually.
Couldn't have put it better myself!!
[quote][p][bold]Babbsy[/bold] wrote: What is up with people? We have incompetent people at the top at both Valley Parade and Odsal, and people are turning their noses up at potential club transforming amounts of money that could see both re-emerge as forces in their respective sports after years of decline. I was far from Mr Galloway's biggest fan, but if he can help bring an end to the last 11 years of misery I've had to endure at Valley Parade he'll get my vote for the next ten years. If he can help bring to an end the 11 year disgrace that have also been Westfield and the Odeon too he'll get my vote for life and I'll also end up loving this man. he's high profile and he's the only person who's walked into this City in a decade who's wanted to change it's prospects rather than either sweeping the problems under the carpet, or leaving at the first available opportunity. We can only hope all this promise won't prove to be a false dawn, but ath the moment the mere fact that the disgrace that is Westfied and the Odeon are now in the National concious, which is more than has happend in all that time. The Country usually just closes it's eyes and pretends Bradford isn't there usually.[/p][/quote]Couldn't have put it better myself!! still got a pulse
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10:34am Sat 14 Apr 12

roosonian says...

dapiackle wrote:
murphyslaw wrote:
LET ME REMIND PEOPLE OUR YOUNG LADS HAVE GIVEN THEIR LIVES FOR OUR COUNTRY AND THIS **** SHOOK THE HAND OF THE DESPOT RESPONSIBLE.
The despots responsible for the Iraq war were Mr. Blair & Bush and their cronies, unless I missed something and there were in fact WMDs in Iraq and Saddam (installed and funded by the West, just like the Taliban) had in fact attacked us, and that he tried to harbour Al-Qaeda. A totally pointless and illegal war in a dreadful part of the world that wasn't worth one drop of any British serviceman's blood.
Illegal or not,do you want to tell all the Mothers,Fathers,Brot
hers,Sisters,Wives and Children that our Fallen HERO,S died for nothing. Keep gallaway and his friends AWAY from our club
[quote][p][bold]dapiackle[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]murphyslaw[/bold] wrote: LET ME REMIND PEOPLE OUR YOUNG LADS HAVE GIVEN THEIR LIVES FOR OUR COUNTRY AND THIS **** SHOOK THE HAND OF THE DESPOT RESPONSIBLE.[/p][/quote]The despots responsible for the Iraq war were Mr. Blair & Bush and their cronies, unless I missed something and there were in fact WMDs in Iraq and Saddam (installed and funded by the West, just like the Taliban) had in fact attacked us, and that he tried to harbour Al-Qaeda. A totally pointless and illegal war in a dreadful part of the world that wasn't worth one drop of any British serviceman's blood.[/p][/quote]Illegal or not,do you want to tell all the Mothers,Fathers,Brot hers,Sisters,Wives and Children that our Fallen HERO,S died for nothing. Keep gallaway and his friends AWAY from our club roosonian
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11:10am Sat 14 Apr 12

mark04 says...

still got a pulse wrote:
Babbsy wrote:
What is up with people? We have incompetent people at the top at both Valley Parade and Odsal, and people are turning their noses up at potential club transforming amounts of money that could see both re-emerge as forces in their respective sports after years of decline. I was far from Mr Galloway's biggest fan, but if he can help bring an end to the last 11 years of misery I've had to endure at Valley Parade he'll get my vote for the next ten years. If he can help bring to an end the 11 year disgrace that have also been Westfield and the Odeon too he'll get my vote for life and I'll also end up loving this man. he's high profile and he's the only person who's walked into this City in a decade who's wanted to change it's prospects rather than either sweeping the problems under the carpet, or leaving at the first available opportunity. We can only hope all this promise won't prove to be a false dawn, but ath the moment the mere fact that the disgrace that is Westfied and the Odeon are now in the National concious, which is more than has happend in all that time. The Country usually just closes it's eyes and pretends Bradford isn't there usually.
Couldn't have put it better myself!!
Absolutley spot on.
George Galloway has a lot of support amongst so called white middle class in my opinion
[quote][p][bold]still got a pulse[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Babbsy[/bold] wrote: What is up with people? We have incompetent people at the top at both Valley Parade and Odsal, and people are turning their noses up at potential club transforming amounts of money that could see both re-emerge as forces in their respective sports after years of decline. I was far from Mr Galloway's biggest fan, but if he can help bring an end to the last 11 years of misery I've had to endure at Valley Parade he'll get my vote for the next ten years. If he can help bring to an end the 11 year disgrace that have also been Westfield and the Odeon too he'll get my vote for life and I'll also end up loving this man. he's high profile and he's the only person who's walked into this City in a decade who's wanted to change it's prospects rather than either sweeping the problems under the carpet, or leaving at the first available opportunity. We can only hope all this promise won't prove to be a false dawn, but ath the moment the mere fact that the disgrace that is Westfied and the Odeon are now in the National concious, which is more than has happend in all that time. The Country usually just closes it's eyes and pretends Bradford isn't there usually.[/p][/quote]Couldn't have put it better myself!![/p][/quote]Absolutley spot on. George Galloway has a lot of support amongst so called white middle class in my opinion mark04
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11:48am Sat 14 Apr 12

Prisoner Cell Block A says...

If you want to open the door to politics and football then do so but I can tell you that the sway on football terraces is a darn sight more to the right than anyone who posts on here. Just because bananas and monkey chants are not prevalent doesn't mean it isn't there.

So good luck with that, Bradford is one of the few tolerant places left but I wouldn't count the contents of VP on a Saturday as very tolerant. About anything.
If you want to open the door to politics and football then do so but I can tell you that the sway on football terraces is a darn sight more to the right than anyone who posts on here. Just because bananas and monkey chants are not prevalent doesn't mean it isn't there. So good luck with that, Bradford is one of the few tolerant places left but I wouldn't count the contents of VP on a Saturday as very tolerant. About anything. Prisoner Cell Block A
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3:12pm Sat 14 Apr 12

Oliver Hardy says...

roosonian wrote:
dapiackle wrote:
murphyslaw wrote:
LET ME REMIND PEOPLE OUR YOUNG LADS HAVE GIVEN THEIR LIVES FOR OUR COUNTRY AND THIS **** SHOOK THE HAND OF THE DESPOT RESPONSIBLE.
The despots responsible for the Iraq war were Mr. Blair & Bush and their cronies, unless I missed something and there were in fact WMDs in Iraq and Saddam (installed and funded by the West, just like the Taliban) had in fact attacked us, and that he tried to harbour Al-Qaeda. A totally pointless and illegal war in a dreadful part of the world that wasn't worth one drop of any British serviceman's blood.
Illegal or not,do you want to tell all the Mothers,Fathers,Brot

hers,Sisters,Wives and Children that our Fallen HERO,S died for nothing. Keep gallaway and his friends AWAY from our club
So you'd rather keep up the LIE about the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and let our Boys continue to die for nothing?
.
You're one f*cked up individual.
[quote][p][bold]roosonian[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dapiackle[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]murphyslaw[/bold] wrote: LET ME REMIND PEOPLE OUR YOUNG LADS HAVE GIVEN THEIR LIVES FOR OUR COUNTRY AND THIS **** SHOOK THE HAND OF THE DESPOT RESPONSIBLE.[/p][/quote]The despots responsible for the Iraq war were Mr. Blair & Bush and their cronies, unless I missed something and there were in fact WMDs in Iraq and Saddam (installed and funded by the West, just like the Taliban) had in fact attacked us, and that he tried to harbour Al-Qaeda. A totally pointless and illegal war in a dreadful part of the world that wasn't worth one drop of any British serviceman's blood.[/p][/quote]Illegal or not,do you want to tell all the Mothers,Fathers,Brot hers,Sisters,Wives and Children that our Fallen HERO,S died for nothing. Keep gallaway and his friends AWAY from our club[/p][/quote]So you'd rather keep up the LIE about the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and let our Boys continue to die for nothing? . You're one f*cked up individual. Oliver Hardy
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3:12pm Sat 14 Apr 12

Oliver Hardy says...

roosonian wrote:
dapiackle wrote:
murphyslaw wrote:
LET ME REMIND PEOPLE OUR YOUNG LADS HAVE GIVEN THEIR LIVES FOR OUR COUNTRY AND THIS **** SHOOK THE HAND OF THE DESPOT RESPONSIBLE.
The despots responsible for the Iraq war were Mr. Blair & Bush and their cronies, unless I missed something and there were in fact WMDs in Iraq and Saddam (installed and funded by the West, just like the Taliban) had in fact attacked us, and that he tried to harbour Al-Qaeda. A totally pointless and illegal war in a dreadful part of the world that wasn't worth one drop of any British serviceman's blood.
Illegal or not,do you want to tell all the Mothers,Fathers,Brot

hers,Sisters,Wives and Children that our Fallen HERO,S died for nothing. Keep gallaway and his friends AWAY from our club
So you'd rather keep up the LIE about the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and let our Boys continue to die for nothing?
.
You're one f*cked up individual.
[quote][p][bold]roosonian[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dapiackle[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]murphyslaw[/bold] wrote: LET ME REMIND PEOPLE OUR YOUNG LADS HAVE GIVEN THEIR LIVES FOR OUR COUNTRY AND THIS **** SHOOK THE HAND OF THE DESPOT RESPONSIBLE.[/p][/quote]The despots responsible for the Iraq war were Mr. Blair & Bush and their cronies, unless I missed something and there were in fact WMDs in Iraq and Saddam (installed and funded by the West, just like the Taliban) had in fact attacked us, and that he tried to harbour Al-Qaeda. A totally pointless and illegal war in a dreadful part of the world that wasn't worth one drop of any British serviceman's blood.[/p][/quote]Illegal or not,do you want to tell all the Mothers,Fathers,Brot hers,Sisters,Wives and Children that our Fallen HERO,S died for nothing. Keep gallaway and his friends AWAY from our club[/p][/quote]So you'd rather keep up the LIE about the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and let our Boys continue to die for nothing? . You're one f*cked up individual. Oliver Hardy
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3:14pm Sat 14 Apr 12

Oliver Hardy says...

I wonder all these idiots opposing GG would say the same if for example someone from the BNP came along and said exactly what Galloway is saying?
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It's amazing how all the racist and anti-Muslim sentiment comes out from certain posters.
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You make the civilised sick, you sad, vile b@stards.
I wonder all these idiots opposing GG would say the same if for example someone from the BNP came along and said exactly what Galloway is saying? . It's amazing how all the racist and anti-Muslim sentiment comes out from certain posters. . You make the civilised sick, you sad, vile b@stards. Oliver Hardy
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3:38pm Sat 14 Apr 12

Prisoner Cell Block A says...

We just don't want GG using our club for his political agenda, same as he has used the anti-war campaign and other headline grabbers to gain votes. Come back in two years when he has forgotten about Bradford and tell me how much you support him.

I'm a 40 year supporter of Bradford City and this is not my wish. I wish for us to play our way up, not buy it and I wouldn't want oil stained cash at any cost.
We just don't want GG using our club for his political agenda, same as he has used the anti-war campaign and other headline grabbers to gain votes. Come back in two years when he has forgotten about Bradford and tell me how much you support him. I'm a 40 year supporter of Bradford City and this is not my wish. I wish for us to play our way up, not buy it and I wouldn't want oil stained cash at any cost. Prisoner Cell Block A
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4:10pm Sat 14 Apr 12

Oliver Hardy says...

Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:
We just don't want GG using our club for his political agenda, same as he has used the anti-war campaign and other headline grabbers to gain votes. Come back in two years when he has forgotten about Bradford and tell me how much you support him.

I'm a 40 year supporter of Bradford City and this is not my wish. I wish for us to play our way up, not buy it and I wouldn't want oil stained cash at any cost.
Thank you for your post, Prisoner. But GG's hasn't had a chance yet.
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Why won't people give him that (instead of judging him by his past actions)?
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Are we saying people can't change for the better?
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And here's something for certain others to think about: *non* Muslims voted for Galloway too.
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I guess there goes your argument that only Muslims voted for him.
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And talking of which, why did *another* Muslim who was standing against GG, lose by a massive embarrassing majority?
[quote][p][bold]Prisoner Cell Block A[/bold] wrote: We just don't want GG using our club for his political agenda, same as he has used the anti-war campaign and other headline grabbers to gain votes. Come back in two years when he has forgotten about Bradford and tell me how much you support him. I'm a 40 year supporter of Bradford City and this is not my wish. I wish for us to play our way up, not buy it and I wouldn't want oil stained cash at any cost.[/p][/quote]Thank you for your post, Prisoner. But GG's hasn't had a chance yet. . Why won't people give him that (instead of judging him by his past actions)? . Are we saying people can't change for the better? . And here's something for certain others to think about: *non* Muslims voted for Galloway too. . I guess there goes your argument that only Muslims voted for him. . And talking of which, why did *another* Muslim who was standing against GG, lose by a massive embarrassing majority? Oliver Hardy
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5:29pm Sat 14 Apr 12

Prisoner Cell Block A says...

Whoever said only Muslims voted for him? Anyone who classes the leader of Hamas as one of his personal friends will only get one chance with me. That is no f chance. Even his own party spokesperson lies claiming the seat won was, and I quote 'a densely populated white middle class area' so liars and cheats are rife amongst RESPECT too. Just take the politics away from football. I don't throw my hat in the ring everytime there is a political debate. Not much room for anarchists.
Whoever said only Muslims voted for him? Anyone who classes the leader of Hamas as one of his personal friends will only get one chance with me. That is no f chance. Even his own party spokesperson lies claiming the seat won was, and I quote 'a densely populated white middle class area' so liars and cheats are rife amongst RESPECT too. Just take the politics away from football. I don't throw my hat in the ring everytime there is a political debate. Not much room for anarchists. Prisoner Cell Block A
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5:36pm Sat 14 Apr 12

mark04 says...

Just reading the City of Film website it seems this article from the Telegraph and Argus is not accurate,who would have guessed?
Still a long way to go before the odeon is demolished then,and if Mr Greenwood now says he wants it saved,but can we believe him.
Just reading the City of Film website it seems this article from the Telegraph and Argus is not accurate,who would have guessed? Still a long way to go before the odeon is demolished then,and if Mr Greenwood now says he wants it saved,but can we believe him. mark04
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6:23pm Sat 14 Apr 12

KnightMcCall says...

roosonian wrote:
dapiackle wrote:
murphyslaw wrote:
LET ME REMIND PEOPLE OUR YOUNG LADS HAVE GIVEN THEIR LIVES FOR OUR COUNTRY AND THIS **** SHOOK THE HAND OF THE DESPOT RESPONSIBLE.
The despots responsible for the Iraq war were Mr. Blair & Bush and their cronies, unless I missed something and there were in fact WMDs in Iraq and Saddam (installed and funded by the West, just like the Taliban) had in fact attacked us, and that he tried to harbour Al-Qaeda. A totally pointless and illegal war in a dreadful part of the world that wasn't worth one drop of any British serviceman's blood.
Illegal or not,do you want to tell all the Mothers,Fathers,Brot

hers,Sisters,Wives and Children that our Fallen HERO,S died for nothing. Keep gallaway and his friends AWAY from our club
Why? Can't they handle the truth. What about all the innocent Iraqis and afghans who have died too? Going to war does not make you a hero; that is just the emotive claptrap used by powermongers to get foolish men and women to risk their lives for a cause they do not understand. The west had no right to invade Iraq or Afghanistan and no legal grounds either. Bush and Blair are just as much war criminals as Hussein and all of the deaths have achieved nothing!
[quote][p][bold]roosonian[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dapiackle[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]murphyslaw[/bold] wrote: LET ME REMIND PEOPLE OUR YOUNG LADS HAVE GIVEN THEIR LIVES FOR OUR COUNTRY AND THIS **** SHOOK THE HAND OF THE DESPOT RESPONSIBLE.[/p][/quote]The despots responsible for the Iraq war were Mr. Blair & Bush and their cronies, unless I missed something and there were in fact WMDs in Iraq and Saddam (installed and funded by the West, just like the Taliban) had in fact attacked us, and that he tried to harbour Al-Qaeda. A totally pointless and illegal war in a dreadful part of the world that wasn't worth one drop of any British serviceman's blood.[/p][/quote]Illegal or not,do you want to tell all the Mothers,Fathers,Brot hers,Sisters,Wives and Children that our Fallen HERO,S died for nothing. Keep gallaway and his friends AWAY from our club[/p][/quote]Why? Can't they handle the truth. What about all the innocent Iraqis and afghans who have died too? Going to war does not make you a hero; that is just the emotive claptrap used by powermongers to get foolish men and women to risk their lives for a cause they do not understand. The west had no right to invade Iraq or Afghanistan and no legal grounds either. Bush and Blair are just as much war criminals as Hussein and all of the deaths have achieved nothing! KnightMcCall
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6:28pm Sat 14 Apr 12

KnightMcCall says...

Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:
If you want to open the door to politics and football then do so but I can tell you that the sway on football terraces is a darn sight more to the right than anyone who posts on here. Just because bananas and monkey chants are not prevalent doesn't mean it isn't there.

So good luck with that, Bradford is one of the few tolerant places left but I wouldn't count the contents of VP on a Saturday as very tolerant. About anything.
Sadly, you are so right. Intolerance comes from fear and there is fear aplenty at vp
[quote][p][bold]Prisoner Cell Block A[/bold] wrote: If you want to open the door to politics and football then do so but I can tell you that the sway on football terraces is a darn sight more to the right than anyone who posts on here. Just because bananas and monkey chants are not prevalent doesn't mean it isn't there. So good luck with that, Bradford is one of the few tolerant places left but I wouldn't count the contents of VP on a Saturday as very tolerant. About anything.[/p][/quote]Sadly, you are so right. Intolerance comes from fear and there is fear aplenty at vp KnightMcCall
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6:33pm Sat 14 Apr 12

KnightMcCall says...

Oliver Hardy wrote:
I wonder all these idiots opposing GG would say the same if for example someone from the BNP came along and said exactly what Galloway is saying?
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It's amazing how all the racist and anti-Muslim sentiment comes out from certain posters.
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You make the civilised sick, you sad, vile b@stards.
It's mainly ignorance Oliver but I share the sentiment
[quote][p][bold]Oliver Hardy[/bold] wrote: I wonder all these idiots opposing GG would say the same if for example someone from the BNP came along and said exactly what Galloway is saying? . It's amazing how all the racist and anti-Muslim sentiment comes out from certain posters. . You make the civilised sick, you sad, vile b@stards.[/p][/quote]It's mainly ignorance Oliver but I share the sentiment KnightMcCall
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6:44pm Sat 14 Apr 12

Prisoner Cell Block A says...

Spin that and ask how all the apologists would feel if GG had said the suicide bombers and supposed freedom fighters died in vain? Placid acceptance, total agreement. Total bor lax.
Spin that and ask how all the apologists would feel if GG had said the suicide bombers and supposed freedom fighters died in vain? Placid acceptance, total agreement. Total bor lax. Prisoner Cell Block A
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8:32pm Sat 14 Apr 12

lonniejockstrap says...

Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:
We just don't want GG using our club for his political agenda, same as he has used the anti-war campaign and other headline grabbers to gain votes. Come back in two years when he has forgotten about Bradford and tell me how much you support him.

I'm a 40 year supporter of Bradford City and this is not my wish. I wish for us to play our way up, not buy it and I wouldn't want oil stained cash at any cost.
Your a smart bloke PCBA -IMO anyway- but, you surely don't believe that the whole Western world isn't 'stained' by Oil? The American economy is sustained -if that's the correct term- almost purely on the basis that the strength of the price of Oil and the fact that Oil is bought and sold in Dollars. Countries have to stockpile Dollars because of this and so this allows the American economy to buy rather than produce it's own wealth. As soon as anyone eg Saddam, Chavez, Gaddafi or Mahmoud Ahmadinejad of Iran try to change from selling Oil in Dollars the America acts. I can understand their concerns because it means their economy is finished and would probably lead to revolution, civil war, social cohesion and the end of the 'Empire'. Deception, propaganda, doublespeak you name it. At least is pretty clear about what GG believes in -unless of course he is actually some sort of 'Spy' and is the opposite of what he appears?- and not sneaking about in the shadows refusing to 'make waves'.

The people who have been among the biggest 'traitors' in this country -some would claim- are ex-prime-ministers who have signed away British power and decision making over to bureaucrats in Europe.
[quote][p][bold]Prisoner Cell Block A[/bold] wrote: We just don't want GG using our club for his political agenda, same as he has used the anti-war campaign and other headline grabbers to gain votes. Come back in two years when he has forgotten about Bradford and tell me how much you support him. I'm a 40 year supporter of Bradford City and this is not my wish. I wish for us to play our way up, not buy it and I wouldn't want oil stained cash at any cost.[/p][/quote]Your a smart bloke PCBA -IMO anyway- but, you surely don't believe that the whole Western world isn't 'stained' by Oil? The American economy is sustained -if that's the correct term- almost purely on the basis that the strength of the price of Oil and the fact that Oil is bought and sold in Dollars. Countries have to stockpile Dollars because of this and so this allows the American economy to buy rather than produce it's own wealth. As soon as anyone eg Saddam, Chavez, Gaddafi or Mahmoud Ahmadinejad of Iran try to change from selling Oil in Dollars the America acts. I can understand their concerns because it means their economy is finished and would probably lead to revolution, civil war, social cohesion and the end of the 'Empire'. Deception, propaganda, doublespeak you name it. At least is pretty clear about what GG believes in -unless of course he is actually some sort of 'Spy' and is the opposite of what he appears?- and not sneaking about in the shadows refusing to 'make waves'. The people who have been among the biggest 'traitors' in this country -some would claim- are ex-prime-ministers who have signed away British power and decision making over to bureaucrats in Europe. lonniejockstrap
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10:00pm Sat 14 Apr 12

Grandad final says...

Quote "Sadly, you are so right. Intolerance comes from fear and there is fear aplenty at vp”

TOLERANCE BECOMES A CRIME WHEN APPLIED TO EVIL!

What has all this cobblers got to do with our local sport and do we really need it???

Hey! I gather Robert Mugabe has volunteered his services as a ref for tomorrows challenge cup match.....He's a nice lad isn't he
Quote "Sadly, you are so right. Intolerance comes from fear and there is fear aplenty at vp” TOLERANCE BECOMES A CRIME WHEN APPLIED TO EVIL! What has all this cobblers got to do with our local sport and do we really need it??? Hey! I gather Robert Mugabe has volunteered his services as a ref for tomorrows challenge cup match.....He's a nice lad isn't he Grandad final
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12:32am Sun 15 Apr 12

Prisoner Cell Block A says...

Don't agree with any of it lonnie and don't believe many words I'm told. I have a mistrust and hatred for most and America and Americans come pretty close to the top of that list.

I'm a jumpers for goalposts sort of bloke I don't want my club being used as anything other than a football club. It's bad enough as it is without a reflected spotlight from a political vehicle.

I'd like to think that there is a certain amount of honesty and integrity in the lower leagues and if the money down here is tainted it is with diluted oil money rather than 'pumped' directly in. Play and win your way, up, through adversity as a team and club. That's sport isn't it?


I'm off to watch my favourite player craft a glorious 'trick now, pity I have to sit through 'if you haven't played at this level' Claridge first.
Don't agree with any of it lonnie and don't believe many words I'm told. I have a mistrust and hatred for most and America and Americans come pretty close to the top of that list. I'm a jumpers for goalposts sort of bloke I don't want my club being used as anything other than a football club. It's bad enough as it is without a reflected spotlight from a political vehicle. I'd like to think that there is a certain amount of honesty and integrity in the lower leagues and if the money down here is tainted it is with diluted oil money rather than 'pumped' directly in. Play and win your way, up, through adversity as a team and club. That's sport isn't it? I'm off to watch my favourite player craft a glorious 'trick now, pity I have to sit through 'if you haven't played at this level' Claridge first. Prisoner Cell Block A
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11:02am Sun 15 Apr 12

lonniejockstrap says...

Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:
Don't agree with any of it lonnie and don't believe many words I'm told. I have a mistrust and hatred for most and America and Americans come pretty close to the top of that list.

I'm a jumpers for goalposts sort of bloke I don't want my club being used as anything other than a football club. It's bad enough as it is without a reflected spotlight from a political vehicle.

I'd like to think that there is a certain amount of honesty and integrity in the lower leagues and if the money down here is tainted it is with diluted oil money rather than 'pumped' directly in. Play and win your way, up, through adversity as a team and club. That's sport isn't it?


I'm off to watch my favourite player craft a glorious 'trick now, pity I have to sit through 'if you haven't played at this level' Claridge first.
I certainly share your fear of somebody coming in and getting the Club in massive debt PCBA, with no care for the Club other than whether they can make or borrow money of the back of the Club.

I have no problem with ML or the Rhodes family running the Club, quite the opposite. And because I can accept they are not billionaires and so I can also accept that we may continue to struggle to get out of this league. I am very grateful to ML and the Rhodes family for all the hard work and money they are risking by being involved at the Club.
[quote][p][bold]Prisoner Cell Block A[/bold] wrote: Don't agree with any of it lonnie and don't believe many words I'm told. I have a mistrust and hatred for most and America and Americans come pretty close to the top of that list. I'm a jumpers for goalposts sort of bloke I don't want my club being used as anything other than a football club. It's bad enough as it is without a reflected spotlight from a political vehicle. I'd like to think that there is a certain amount of honesty and integrity in the lower leagues and if the money down here is tainted it is with diluted oil money rather than 'pumped' directly in. Play and win your way, up, through adversity as a team and club. That's sport isn't it? I'm off to watch my favourite player craft a glorious 'trick now, pity I have to sit through 'if you haven't played at this level' Claridge first.[/p][/quote]I certainly share your fear of somebody coming in and getting the Club in massive debt PCBA, with no care for the Club other than whether they can make or borrow money of the back of the Club. I have no problem with ML or the Rhodes family running the Club, quite the opposite. And because I can accept they are not billionaires and so I can also accept that we may continue to struggle to get out of this league. I am very grateful to ML and the Rhodes family for all the hard work and money they are risking by being involved at the Club. lonniejockstrap
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10:11am Mon 16 Apr 12

a reasonable sort of chap says...

PEOPLE ARE SHOPLIFTING FOOD !!!! SHOCK HORROR!!!!

WHAT DO YOU EXPECT?

PEOPLE HAVE TO EAT!!!

YOU AIN'T SEEN NOTHING YET. THIS IS JUST THE TIP OF THE ICEBERG. CRIME IS ABOUT TO GO THROUGH THE ROOF.

BLAME THE TORIES.


http://www.thetelegr
aphandargus.co.uk/ne
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PEOPLE ARE SHOPLIFTING FOOD !!!! SHOCK HORROR!!!! WHAT DO YOU EXPECT? PEOPLE HAVE TO EAT!!! YOU AIN'T SEEN NOTHING YET. THIS IS JUST THE TIP OF THE ICEBERG. CRIME IS ABOUT TO GO THROUGH THE ROOF. BLAME THE TORIES. http://www.thetelegr aphandargus.co.uk/ne ws/9649549.Theft_sus pect____rogues_galle ry____is_released_by _Bradford_police/ a reasonable sort of chap
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1:42pm Mon 16 Apr 12

Prisoner Cell Block A says...

I hope they leave me a Balti Pie in the tea bar. Is the above relevant to BCAFC and foreign investment?
I hope they leave me a Balti Pie in the tea bar. Is the above relevant to BCAFC and foreign investment? Prisoner Cell Block A
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2:15pm Mon 16 Apr 12

Mutha.Slimer says...

bettyswollocks wrote:
I'd rather we bumbled along near the bottom of League 2 than become a vehicle for some middle eastern despot to launder money through. Galloway is every negative stereotype you've ever heard about politicians rolled up into one. He's in it for himself and himself only, feeding his need for publicity at every turn. I'm just glad I'm not in his constituency.
Couldn't have put it any better myself, well said. Im only suprised more people can't see through his blatant Bullsh!te.
[quote][p][bold]bettyswollocks[/bold] wrote: I'd rather we bumbled along near the bottom of League 2 than become a vehicle for some middle eastern despot to launder money through. Galloway is every negative stereotype you've ever heard about politicians rolled up into one. He's in it for himself and himself only, feeding his need for publicity at every turn. I'm just glad I'm not in his constituency.[/p][/quote]Couldn't have put it any better myself, well said. Im only suprised more people can't see through his blatant Bullsh!te. Mutha.Slimer
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4:40pm Mon 16 Apr 12

Waynus1971 says...

lonniejockstrap wrote:
Waynus1971 wrote:
lonniejockstrap wrote:
nowt fresh wrote:
dapiackle wrote:
murphyslaw wrote: LET ME REMIND PEOPLE OUR YOUNG LADS HAVE GIVEN THEIR LIVES FOR OUR COUNTRY AND THIS **** SHOOK THE HAND OF THE DESPOT RESPONSIBLE.
The despots responsible for the Iraq war were Mr. Blair & Bush and their cronies, unless I missed something and there were in fact WMDs in Iraq and Saddam (installed and funded by the West, just like the Taliban) had in fact attacked us, and that he tried to harbour Al-Qaeda. A totally pointless and illegal war in a dreadful part of the world that wasn't worth one drop of any British serviceman's blood.
Bang on the money (excuse the pun) dapiackle :-)
What we ALL need to stop doing is believing what politicians say without question. What we ALL need to start doing is searching below the superficial stories that are printed in the media about why we should invade or attack other countries around the World. Then, when we have used our Brain to THINK and understand the REAL reasons we can then chose to either agree or disagree with those REAL reasons for what is being done in our name. Can anyone tell me why the Taliban were invited to Washington to discuss deals/contracts etc to run Gas and Oil pipes through Afghanistan if they were at that time, so unacceptable to the West? Guess what happened to Afghanistan a short period of time after the Taliban refused to do the deals with the major Energy Corporations re the pipelines? Why is the American Government trying it's damnedest to overthrow the Democratically elected president of Venezuela? Could it be something to do with Chavez trying to sell Oil based on the strength of the Euro instead of the Dollar? What's the real reason that threats are being made to attack Iran? Could it be something to do with Iran trying to sell Oil based on the strength of the Euro instead of the Dollar as opposed to another threat of WMD? Also, investigate what Saddam Hussein did as regards selling Oil based on the Euro and not the Dollar? Still haven't found those WMD's that threatened the West have we? Oh, and you might as well check on Tony Blair's ex-mate Gaddafi regarding Oil and the ditching of the Dollar. At the end of your investigations you might agree or disagree as to why we had to go to War, it's up to you -it's a free country, unless of course the American Government doesn't agree with you. The important thing is this: at least you should have reduced the amount of brainwashing and propaganda that is controlling your thoughtsand be basing your support -or otherwise- for these Wars/Conflicts armed with more information. Here is something to help you on your way: The end of the Dollar by Ron Paul www.lewrockwell.com/ paul/paul303.html
The thing is Lonnie, there is a big difference between questioning an 'illegal war' with a Country and 'defending/praising' their dictator. Yes, there are issues surrounding our involvement in the war against Iraq and the claims of WMD, as well as financing the purchase of weapons etc. However, there is absolutely no doubt that Hussein was guilty of war crimes against his own people and those in neighbouring countries. As such, I still do not understand why people such as Galloway put this man on a pedestal. He was, after all, a vile criminal, irrespective of whether it was our responsibility to capture/trial him..! . This has obviously been made worse by the subsequent capture, trial and execution of Hussein. Some of his 'followers' are now treating him as a modern day Martyr and he is certainly not one of those. . Let's be brutally honest about this. Galloway ONLY won his seat because of his views against the war on Iraq and his own opinion of Hussein. Had he been contesting the seat in a non-Asian community, he wouldn't have got anywhere near the number of votes that he did. Had he been running for the seat in Bradford South (for example), we wouldn't be having this debate. . As for his 'spin' above, I will believe it when I see it. If he can find wealthy backers that can take Bradford City forward and those backers are legit, I am all for it. As long as it isn't his 'dirty' money being invested, I don't see why others are against it. Surely progression is .... progression?
Waynus the '''dirty' money'' you refer to NEVER actually existed it was the type of propaganda I was relating to above and you have absorbed this and ,unfortunately, taken it as a truth. Be careful, George has already successfully sued the Daily Telegraph for defamation over this so I wouldn't repeat the lie if I was you. It wasn't GG who provided Saddam with the weapons and the Gas he used to commit these 'war crimes' that you refer to waynus. It wasn't GG who helped Iraq with weapons to aid the slaughter during the Iran Iraq war either. Again, I am not arguing the case of what was right or wrong, I am simply asking you to put some effort into finding out what the REAL or TRUE reasons and/or facts are. IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH ps you might find 'George Galloway Vs The US Senate' on youtube enlightening.
Lonnie, firstly I need to clarify what I meant by 'dirty money'. I'm not suggesting that GG has 'dirty money' and that I have "absorbed this and ,unfortunately, taken it as a truth". I was merely suggesting that I wouldn't touch any of Galloway's personal money as I don't trust the bloke and wouldn't want him 'buying my vote'. That is all I meant.
.
In relation to your other points, "It wasn't GG who provided Saddam with the weapons and the Gas he used to commit these 'war crimes' that you refer to waynus. It wasn't GG who helped Iraq with weapons to aid the slaughter during the Iran Iraq war either. Very true, but this article wasn't about those perpetrators was it? Had it been, my response would have been the same.
.
Just because weapons were sold by our Government (and that of the USA amongst others), doesn't mean Saddam had to use them. No Saddam wasn't the only guilty party in this, but GG was still wrong to make him out to be blameless, whilst attacking those Governments.
.
The fact is, they were ALL to blame, but only one of them is trying to get involved in OUR club..!
[quote][p][bold]lonniejockstrap[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Waynus1971[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lonniejockstrap[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nowt fresh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dapiackle[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]murphyslaw[/bold] wrote: LET ME REMIND PEOPLE OUR YOUNG LADS HAVE GIVEN THEIR LIVES FOR OUR COUNTRY AND THIS **** SHOOK THE HAND OF THE DESPOT RESPONSIBLE.[/p][/quote]The despots responsible for the Iraq war were Mr. Blair & Bush and their cronies, unless I missed something and there were in fact WMDs in Iraq and Saddam (installed and funded by the West, just like the Taliban) had in fact attacked us, and that he tried to harbour Al-Qaeda. A totally pointless and illegal war in a dreadful part of the world that wasn't worth one drop of any British serviceman's blood.[/p][/quote]Bang on the money (excuse the pun) dapiackle :-)[/p][/quote]What we ALL need to stop doing is believing what politicians say without question. What we ALL need to start doing is searching below the superficial stories that are printed in the media about why we should invade or attack other countries around the World. Then, when we have used our Brain to THINK and understand the REAL reasons we can then chose to either agree or disagree with those REAL reasons for what is being done in our name. Can anyone tell me why the Taliban were invited to Washington to discuss deals/contracts etc to run Gas and Oil pipes through Afghanistan if they were at that time, so unacceptable to the West? Guess what happened to Afghanistan a short period of time after the Taliban refused to do the deals with the major Energy Corporations re the pipelines? Why is the American Government trying it's damnedest to overthrow the Democratically elected president of Venezuela? Could it be something to do with Chavez trying to sell Oil based on the strength of the Euro instead of the Dollar? What's the real reason that threats are being made to attack Iran? Could it be something to do with Iran trying to sell Oil based on the strength of the Euro instead of the Dollar as opposed to another threat of WMD? Also, investigate what Saddam Hussein did as regards selling Oil based on the Euro and not the Dollar? Still haven't found those WMD's that threatened the West have we? Oh, and you might as well check on Tony Blair's ex-mate Gaddafi regarding Oil and the ditching of the Dollar. At the end of your investigations you might agree or disagree as to why we had to go to War, it's up to you -it's a free country, unless of course the American Government doesn't agree with you. The important thing is this: at least you should have reduced the amount of brainwashing and propaganda that is controlling your thoughtsand be basing your support -or otherwise- for these Wars/Conflicts armed with more information. Here is something to help you on your way: The end of the Dollar by Ron Paul www.lewrockwell.com/ paul/paul303.html[/p][/quote]The thing is Lonnie, there is a big difference between questioning an 'illegal war' with a Country and 'defending/praising' their dictator. Yes, there are issues surrounding our involvement in the war against Iraq and the claims of WMD, as well as financing the purchase of weapons etc. However, there is absolutely no doubt that Hussein was guilty of war crimes against his own people and those in neighbouring countries. As such, I still do not understand why people such as Galloway put this man on a pedestal. He was, after all, a vile criminal, irrespective of whether it was our responsibility to capture/trial him..! . This has obviously been made worse by the subsequent capture, trial and execution of Hussein. Some of his 'followers' are now treating him as a modern day Martyr and he is certainly not one of those. . Let's be brutally honest about this. Galloway ONLY won his seat because of his views against the war on Iraq and his own opinion of Hussein. Had he been contesting the seat in a non-Asian community, he wouldn't have got anywhere near the number of votes that he did. Had he been running for the seat in Bradford South (for example), we wouldn't be having this debate. . As for his 'spin' above, I will believe it when I see it. If he can find wealthy backers that can take Bradford City forward and those backers are legit, I am all for it. As long as it isn't his 'dirty' money being invested, I don't see why others are against it. Surely progression is .... progression?[/p][/quote]Waynus the '''dirty' money'' you refer to NEVER actually existed it was the type of propaganda I was relating to above and you have absorbed this and ,unfortunately, taken it as a truth. Be careful, George has already successfully sued the Daily Telegraph for defamation over this so I wouldn't repeat the lie if I was you. It wasn't GG who provided Saddam with the weapons and the Gas he used to commit these 'war crimes' that you refer to waynus. It wasn't GG who helped Iraq with weapons to aid the slaughter during the Iran Iraq war either. Again, I am not arguing the case of what was right or wrong, I am simply asking you to put some effort into finding out what the REAL or TRUE reasons and/or facts are. IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH ps you might find 'George Galloway Vs The US Senate' on youtube enlightening.[/p][/quote]Lonnie, firstly I need to clarify what I meant by 'dirty money'. I'm not suggesting that GG has 'dirty money' and that I have "absorbed this and ,unfortunately, taken it as a truth". I was merely suggesting that I wouldn't touch any of Galloway's personal money as I don't trust the bloke and wouldn't want him 'buying my vote'. That is all I meant. . In relation to your other points, "It wasn't GG who provided Saddam with the weapons and the Gas he used to commit these 'war crimes' that you refer to waynus. It wasn't GG who helped Iraq with weapons to aid the slaughter during the Iran Iraq war either. Very true, but this article wasn't about those perpetrators was it? Had it been, my response would have been the same. . Just because weapons were sold by our Government (and that of the USA amongst others), doesn't mean Saddam had to use them. No Saddam wasn't the only guilty party in this, but GG was still wrong to make him out to be blameless, whilst attacking those Governments. . The fact is, they were ALL to blame, but only one of them is trying to get involved in OUR club..! Waynus1971
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11:49pm Mon 16 Apr 12

Prisoner Cell Block A says...

As said previously I beieve nothing I don't see with my own eyes, unless it's at VP where I can't believe what I'm seeing sometimes.

Good for me that! :)
As said previously I beieve nothing I don't see with my own eyes, unless it's at VP where I can't believe what I'm seeing sometimes. Good for me that! :) Prisoner Cell Block A
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11:39am Tue 17 Apr 12

H8E US says...

Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:
H8E US tis you who is the bulb, you cannot have a discussion involving gorgeous George( I assume this is a p1ss take as he looks like a tramp) without mentioning his foreign allegiances. As with many other football clubs foreign investment tends to be shady at best, criminal at worst. This, if it were ever to come off, praise be to McCall it doesn't, the club would be very visible and likely to be subject to 'proper persons' testing and GG would fall at this hurdle as I don't think Hamas' investment would be welcomed by the FL. Do us a favour, get involved in something you know and leave us middle-class white folk, RESPECT party line for their W Bradford victory, to our national sport. Kabbadi anyone?
Prisoner Cell Block A that name is very middle class i must say........it should have been more like JSA ALL THE WAY.................
....you say i cannot have a discussion without involving George and his allegiances hmmmmmmm what is the discussion topic you fool and its the white folk that bring up the topic - you call yourself middle class living on a council estate tell you what plonker go raise some funds for your club from your local council estate - dont think you will get very far with all your family n friends bu*ming the state benefit system and free housing.....and as for kabbadi bring it on sunshine
[quote][p][bold]Prisoner Cell Block A[/bold] wrote: H8E US tis you who is the bulb, you cannot have a discussion involving gorgeous George( I assume this is a p1ss take as he looks like a tramp) without mentioning his foreign allegiances. As with many other football clubs foreign investment tends to be shady at best, criminal at worst. This, if it were ever to come off, praise be to McCall it doesn't, the club would be very visible and likely to be subject to 'proper persons' testing and GG would fall at this hurdle as I don't think Hamas' investment would be welcomed by the FL. Do us a favour, get involved in something you know and leave us middle-class white folk, RESPECT party line for their W Bradford victory, to our national sport. Kabbadi anyone?[/p][/quote]Prisoner Cell Block A that name is very middle class i must say........it should have been more like JSA ALL THE WAY................. ....you say i cannot have a discussion without involving George and his allegiances hmmmmmmm what is the discussion topic you fool and its the white folk that bring up the topic - you call yourself middle class living on a council estate tell you what plonker go raise some funds for your club from your local council estate - dont think you will get very far with all your family n friends bu*ming the state benefit system and free housing.....and as for kabbadi bring it on sunshine H8E US
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11:51am Tue 17 Apr 12

Prisoner Cell Block A says...

Who said I was middle class or lived on a council estate? What a tool.

The name is in relation to my seat at VP and I work for an American multi-national on a relatively decent salary. Have never claimed any form of benefit in 31 years of my adult working life.

You, and people like you are the reason the city is as messed up as it is. Why would anyone want to fund a cesspit full of sh 1te
Who said I was middle class or lived on a council estate? What a tool. The name is in relation to my seat at VP and I work for an American multi-national on a relatively decent salary. Have never claimed any form of benefit in 31 years of my adult working life. You, and people like you are the reason the city is as messed up as it is. Why would anyone want to fund a cesspit full of sh 1te Prisoner Cell Block A
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12:02pm Tue 17 Apr 12

Prisoner Cell Block A says...

The reference to 'white middle class' was in response to the lie by the RESPECT party secretary who claimed the Bradford West victory was won in a 'predominantly white, middle class area' so you and your lying consorts enjoy your time in the limelight as it will soon be over and GG will gallop off like a gee gee and leave you what most gee gees leave behind, only adding to the enormous amnounts we wade through everyday.

The topic is in relation to George admittedly, you only seem to comment on those, sycophant.
The reference to 'white middle class' was in response to the lie by the RESPECT party secretary who claimed the Bradford West victory was won in a 'predominantly white, middle class area' so you and your lying consorts enjoy your time in the limelight as it will soon be over and GG will gallop off like a gee gee and leave you what most gee gees leave behind, only adding to the enormous amnounts we wade through everyday. The topic is in relation to George admittedly, you only seem to comment on those, sycophant. Prisoner Cell Block A
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12:14pm Tue 17 Apr 12

YM says...

'The name is in relation to my seat at VP' - must feel like prison sentence watching City for 90 mins
'The name is in relation to my seat at VP' - must feel like prison sentence watching City for 90 mins YM
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12:25pm Tue 17 Apr 12

YM says...

'American multi-national' - McDonalds?
'American multi-national' - McDonalds? YM
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1:01pm Tue 17 Apr 12

Prisoner Cell Block A says...

Credit reference association if you must know but keep digging, I'm able to do the same in my capacity and role.

Anyway, nice talking down to you, my next post will be from Spain as I have two servers to commission before flying back for the Macc game. Maybe we could meet, like normal people for a pre match pint.
Credit reference association if you must know but keep digging, I'm able to do the same in my capacity and role. Anyway, nice talking down to you, my next post will be from Spain as I have two servers to commission before flying back for the Macc game. Maybe we could meet, like normal people for a pre match pint. Prisoner Cell Block A
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7:54pm Tue 17 Apr 12

lonniejockstrap says...

Waynus1971 wrote:
lonniejockstrap wrote:
Waynus1971 wrote:
lonniejockstrap wrote:
nowt fresh wrote:
dapiackle wrote:
murphyslaw wrote: LET ME REMIND PEOPLE OUR YOUNG LADS HAVE GIVEN THEIR LIVES FOR OUR COUNTRY AND THIS **** SHOOK THE HAND OF THE DESPOT RESPONSIBLE.
The despots responsible for the Iraq war were Mr. Blair & Bush and their cronies, unless I missed something and there were in fact WMDs in Iraq and Saddam (installed and funded by the West, just like the Taliban) had in fact attacked us, and that he tried to harbour Al-Qaeda. A totally pointless and illegal war in a dreadful part of the world that wasn't worth one drop of any British serviceman's blood.
Bang on the money (excuse the pun) dapiackle :-)
What we ALL need to stop doing is believing what politicians say without question. What we ALL need to start doing is searching below the superficial stories that are printed in the media about why we should invade or attack other countries around the World. Then, when we have used our Brain to THINK and understand the REAL reasons we can then chose to either agree or disagree with those REAL reasons for what is being done in our name. Can anyone tell me why the Taliban were invited to Washington to discuss deals/contracts etc to run Gas and Oil pipes through Afghanistan if they were at that time, so unacceptable to the West? Guess what happened to Afghanistan a short period of time after the Taliban refused to do the deals with the major Energy Corporations re the pipelines? Why is the American Government trying it's damnedest to overthrow the Democratically elected president of Venezuela? Could it be something to do with Chavez trying to sell Oil based on the strength of the Euro instead of the Dollar? What's the real reason that threats are being made to attack Iran? Could it be something to do with Iran trying to sell Oil based on the strength of the Euro instead of the Dollar as opposed to another threat of WMD? Also, investigate what Saddam Hussein did as regards selling Oil based on the Euro and not the Dollar? Still haven't found those WMD's that threatened the West have we? Oh, and you might as well check on Tony Blair's ex-mate Gaddafi regarding Oil and the ditching of the Dollar. At the end of your investigations you might agree or disagree as to why we had to go to War, it's up to you -it's a free country, unless of course the American Government doesn't agree with you. The important thing is this: at least you should have reduced the amount of brainwashing and propaganda that is controlling your thoughtsand be basing your support -or otherwise- for these Wars/Conflicts armed with more information. Here is something to help you on your way: The end of the Dollar by Ron Paul www.lewrockwell.com/ paul/paul303.html
The thing is Lonnie, there is a big difference between questioning an 'illegal war' with a Country and 'defending/praising' their dictator. Yes, there are issues surrounding our involvement in the war against Iraq and the claims of WMD, as well as financing the purchase of weapons etc. However, there is absolutely no doubt that Hussein was guilty of war crimes against his own people and those in neighbouring countries. As such, I still do not understand why people such as Galloway put this man on a pedestal. He was, after all, a vile criminal, irrespective of whether it was our responsibility to capture/trial him..! . This has obviously been made worse by the subsequent capture, trial and execution of Hussein. Some of his 'followers' are now treating him as a modern day Martyr and he is certainly not one of those. . Let's be brutally honest about this. Galloway ONLY won his seat because of his views against the war on Iraq and his own opinion of Hussein. Had he been contesting the seat in a non-Asian community, he wouldn't have got anywhere near the number of votes that he did. Had he been running for the seat in Bradford South (for example), we wouldn't be having this debate. . As for his 'spin' above, I will believe it when I see it. If he can find wealthy backers that can take Bradford City forward and those backers are legit, I am all for it. As long as it isn't his 'dirty' money being invested, I don't see why others are against it. Surely progression is .... progression?
Waynus the '''dirty' money'' you refer to NEVER actually existed it was the type of propaganda I was relating to above and you have absorbed this and ,unfortunately, taken it as a truth. Be careful, George has already successfully sued the Daily Telegraph for defamation over this so I wouldn't repeat the lie if I was you. It wasn't GG who provided Saddam with the weapons and the Gas he used to commit these 'war crimes' that you refer to waynus. It wasn't GG who helped Iraq with weapons to aid the slaughter during the Iran Iraq war either. Again, I am not arguing the case of what was right or wrong, I am simply asking you to put some effort into finding out what the REAL or TRUE reasons and/or facts are. IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH ps you might find 'George Galloway Vs The US Senate' on youtube enlightening.
Lonnie, firstly I need to clarify what I meant by 'dirty money'. I'm not suggesting that GG has 'dirty money' and that I have "absorbed this and ,unfortunately, taken it as a truth". I was merely suggesting that I wouldn't touch any of Galloway's personal money as I don't trust the bloke and wouldn't want him 'buying my vote'. That is all I meant.
.
In relation to your other points, "It wasn't GG who provided Saddam with the weapons and the Gas he used to commit these 'war crimes' that you refer to waynus. It wasn't GG who helped Iraq with weapons to aid the slaughter during the Iran Iraq war either. Very true, but this article wasn't about those perpetrators was it? Had it been, my response would have been the same.
.
Just because weapons were sold by our Government (and that of the USA amongst others), doesn't mean Saddam had to use them. No Saddam wasn't the only guilty party in this, but GG was still wrong to make him out to be blameless, whilst attacking those Governments.
.
The fact is, they were ALL to blame, but only one of them is trying to get involved in OUR club..!
I don't understand how you think you would be offered any of GG's money waynus? If you mean you wouldn't want BCFC to 'touch' GG's 'dirty money' -what ever you mean by that- then you are implying something that isn't, and never was, being offered by GG. Here's a quote from above article: 'I’m doing my best to stave off the imminent disaster and see what can be done viz-a-viz sponsorship or even taking a share. That’s not me personally but people I can influence'. Clear enough?

Your logic re: selling Saddam weapons and implying we are then morally absolved from from any death and suffering of innocent men, women and children in Iraq because it was Saddam's decision to use them is an interesting one. I suppose your logic must also absolve drug dealers from any responsibility in the ruination of many countless lives because their customers don't have to use them. Would it not also be acceptable -according to this type of logic- to help deal with the problem of war orphans around the world by allowing paedophiles to adopt them? Our consciences would be clear because it would be up to the paedo's to decide whether or not they wanted to 'use them'!

You didn't watch the video of GG's appearance before the US Senate Committee that I recommended to you did you Waynus? If you did you would have seen and heard him say (AND provide written evidence to back up his statement) the following:
'I was an opponent of Saddam Hussein when British and Americans governments and businessmen were selling him guns and gas. I used to demonstrate outside the Iraqi embassy when British and American officials were going in and doing commerce.
Sen. Norm Coleman
You will see from the official parliamentary record Hansard, from March 15 1990 onwards, voluminous evidence that I have a rather better record of opposition to Saddam Hussein than you do and than any other member of the British or American governments do'.

Do your self a favour waynus, seek the truth and stop providing yourself as a means for regurgitating propaganda and downright lies. Are you prepared to alter your views now that you can see that you have been completely incorrect in your claims about GG or do you wish to continue to dislike him because somebody else has told you you should?

“There is only one good, knowledge, and one evil, ignorance”
Socrates
[quote][p][bold]Waynus1971[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lonniejockstrap[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Waynus1971[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lonniejockstrap[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nowt fresh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dapiackle[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]murphyslaw[/bold] wrote: LET ME REMIND PEOPLE OUR YOUNG LADS HAVE GIVEN THEIR LIVES FOR OUR COUNTRY AND THIS **** SHOOK THE HAND OF THE DESPOT RESPONSIBLE.[/p][/quote]The despots responsible for the Iraq war were Mr. Blair & Bush and their cronies, unless I missed something and there were in fact WMDs in Iraq and Saddam (installed and funded by the West, just like the Taliban) had in fact attacked us, and that he tried to harbour Al-Qaeda. A totally pointless and illegal war in a dreadful part of the world that wasn't worth one drop of any British serviceman's blood.[/p][/quote]Bang on the money (excuse the pun) dapiackle :-)[/p][/quote]What we ALL need to stop doing is believing what politicians say without question. What we ALL need to start doing is searching below the superficial stories that are printed in the media about why we should invade or attack other countries around the World. Then, when we have used our Brain to THINK and understand the REAL reasons we can then chose to either agree or disagree with those REAL reasons for what is being done in our name. Can anyone tell me why the Taliban were invited to Washington to discuss deals/contracts etc to run Gas and Oil pipes through Afghanistan if they were at that time, so unacceptable to the West? Guess what happened to Afghanistan a short period of time after the Taliban refused to do the deals with the major Energy Corporations re the pipelines? Why is the American Government trying it's damnedest to overthrow the Democratically elected president of Venezuela? Could it be something to do with Chavez trying to sell Oil based on the strength of the Euro instead of the Dollar? What's the real reason that threats are being made to attack Iran? Could it be something to do with Iran trying to sell Oil based on the strength of the Euro instead of the Dollar as opposed to another threat of WMD? Also, investigate what Saddam Hussein did as regards selling Oil based on the Euro and not the Dollar? Still haven't found those WMD's that threatened the West have we? Oh, and you might as well check on Tony Blair's ex-mate Gaddafi regarding Oil and the ditching of the Dollar. At the end of your investigations you might agree or disagree as to why we had to go to War, it's up to you -it's a free country, unless of course the American Government doesn't agree with you. The important thing is this: at least you should have reduced the amount of brainwashing and propaganda that is controlling your thoughtsand be basing your support -or otherwise- for these Wars/Conflicts armed with more information. Here is something to help you on your way: The end of the Dollar by Ron Paul www.lewrockwell.com/ paul/paul303.html[/p][/quote]The thing is Lonnie, there is a big difference between questioning an 'illegal war' with a Country and 'defending/praising' their dictator. Yes, there are issues surrounding our involvement in the war against Iraq and the claims of WMD, as well as financing the purchase of weapons etc. However, there is absolutely no doubt that Hussein was guilty of war crimes against his own people and those in neighbouring countries. As such, I still do not understand why people such as Galloway put this man on a pedestal. He was, after all, a vile criminal, irrespective of whether it was our responsibility to capture/trial him..! . This has obviously been made worse by the subsequent capture, trial and execution of Hussein. Some of his 'followers' are now treating him as a modern day Martyr and he is certainly not one of those. . Let's be brutally honest about this. Galloway ONLY won his seat because of his views against the war on Iraq and his own opinion of Hussein. Had he been contesting the seat in a non-Asian community, he wouldn't have got anywhere near the number of votes that he did. Had he been running for the seat in Bradford South (for example), we wouldn't be having this debate. . As for his 'spin' above, I will believe it when I see it. If he can find wealthy backers that can take Bradford City forward and those backers are legit, I am all for it. As long as it isn't his 'dirty' money being invested, I don't see why others are against it. Surely progression is .... progression?[/p][/quote]Waynus the '''dirty' money'' you refer to NEVER actually existed it was the type of propaganda I was relating to above and you have absorbed this and ,unfortunately, taken it as a truth. Be careful, George has already successfully sued the Daily Telegraph for defamation over this so I wouldn't repeat the lie if I was you. It wasn't GG who provided Saddam with the weapons and the Gas he used to commit these 'war crimes' that you refer to waynus. It wasn't GG who helped Iraq with weapons to aid the slaughter during the Iran Iraq war either. Again, I am not arguing the case of what was right or wrong, I am simply asking you to put some effort into finding out what the REAL or TRUE reasons and/or facts are. IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH ps you might find 'George Galloway Vs The US Senate' on youtube enlightening.[/p][/quote]Lonnie, firstly I need to clarify what I meant by 'dirty money'. I'm not suggesting that GG has 'dirty money' and that I have "absorbed this and ,unfortunately, taken it as a truth". I was merely suggesting that I wouldn't touch any of Galloway's personal money as I don't trust the bloke and wouldn't want him 'buying my vote'. That is all I meant. . In relation to your other points, "It wasn't GG who provided Saddam with the weapons and the Gas he used to commit these 'war crimes' that you refer to waynus. It wasn't GG who helped Iraq with weapons to aid the slaughter during the Iran Iraq war either. Very true, but this article wasn't about those perpetrators was it? Had it been, my response would have been the same. . Just because weapons were sold by our Government (and that of the USA amongst others), doesn't mean Saddam had to use them. No Saddam wasn't the only guilty party in this, but GG was still wrong to make him out to be blameless, whilst attacking those Governments. . The fact is, they were ALL to blame, but only one of them is trying to get involved in OUR club..![/p][/quote]I don't understand how you think you would be offered any of GG's money waynus? If you mean you wouldn't want BCFC to 'touch' GG's 'dirty money' -what ever you mean by that- then you are implying something that isn't, and never was, being offered by GG. Here's a quote from above article: 'I’m doing my best to stave off the imminent disaster and see what can be done viz-a-viz sponsorship or even taking a share. That’s not me personally but people I can influence'. Clear enough? Your logic re: selling Saddam weapons and implying we are then morally absolved from from any death and suffering of innocent men, women and children in Iraq because it was Saddam's decision to use them is an interesting one. I suppose your logic must also absolve drug dealers from any responsibility in the ruination of many countless lives because their customers don't have to use them. Would it not also be acceptable -according to this type of logic- to help deal with the problem of war orphans around the world by allowing paedophiles to adopt them? Our consciences would be clear because it would be up to the paedo's to decide whether or not they wanted to 'use them'! You didn't watch the video of GG's appearance before the US Senate Committee that I recommended to you did you Waynus? If you did you would have seen and heard him say (AND provide written evidence to back up his statement) the following: 'I was an opponent of Saddam Hussein when British and Americans governments and businessmen were selling him guns and gas. I used to demonstrate outside the Iraqi embassy when British and American officials were going in and doing commerce. Sen. Norm Coleman You will see from the official parliamentary record Hansard, from March 15 1990 onwards, voluminous evidence that I have a rather better record of opposition to Saddam Hussein than you do and than any other member of the British or American governments do'. Do your self a favour waynus, seek the truth and stop providing yourself as a means for regurgitating propaganda and downright lies. Are you prepared to alter your views now that you can see that you have been completely incorrect in your claims about GG or do you wish to continue to dislike him because somebody else has told you you should? “There is only one good, knowledge, and one evil, ignorance” Socrates lonniejockstrap
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12:58am Wed 18 Apr 12

Waynus1971 says...

lonniejockstrap wrote:
Waynus1971 wrote:
lonniejockstrap wrote:
Waynus1971 wrote:
lonniejockstrap wrote:
nowt fresh wrote:
dapiackle wrote:
murphyslaw wrote: LET ME REMIND PEOPLE OUR YOUNG LADS HAVE GIVEN THEIR LIVES FOR OUR COUNTRY AND THIS **** SHOOK THE HAND OF THE DESPOT RESPONSIBLE.
The despots responsible for the Iraq war were Mr. Blair & Bush and their cronies, unless I missed something and there were in fact WMDs in Iraq and Saddam (installed and funded by the West, just like the Taliban) had in fact attacked us, and that he tried to harbour Al-Qaeda. A totally pointless and illegal war in a dreadful part of the world that wasn't worth one drop of any British serviceman's blood.
Bang on the money (excuse the pun) dapiackle :-)
What we ALL need to stop doing is believing what politicians say without question. What we ALL need to start doing is searching below the superficial stories that are printed in the media about why we should invade or attack other countries around the World. Then, when we have used our Brain to THINK and understand the REAL reasons we can then chose to either agree or disagree with those REAL reasons for what is being done in our name. Can anyone tell me why the Taliban were invited to Washington to discuss deals/contracts etc to run Gas and Oil pipes through Afghanistan if they were at that time, so unacceptable to the West? Guess what happened to Afghanistan a short period of time after the Taliban refused to do the deals with the major Energy Corporations re the pipelines? Why is the American Government trying it's damnedest to overthrow the Democratically elected president of Venezuela? Could it be something to do with Chavez trying to sell Oil based on the strength of the Euro instead of the Dollar? What's the real reason that threats are being made to attack Iran? Could it be something to do with Iran trying to sell Oil based on the strength of the Euro instead of the Dollar as opposed to another threat of WMD? Also, investigate what Saddam Hussein did as regards selling Oil based on the Euro and not the Dollar? Still haven't found those WMD's that threatened the West have we? Oh, and you might as well check on Tony Blair's ex-mate Gaddafi regarding Oil and the ditching of the Dollar. At the end of your investigations you might agree or disagree as to why we had to go to War, it's up to you -it's a free country, unless of course the American Government doesn't agree with you. The important thing is this: at least you should have reduced the amount of brainwashing and propaganda that is controlling your thoughtsand be basing your support -or otherwise- for these Wars/Conflicts armed with more information. Here is something to help you on your way: The end of the Dollar by Ron Paul www.lewrockwell.com/ paul/paul303.html
The thing is Lonnie, there is a big difference between questioning an 'illegal war' with a Country and 'defending/praising' their dictator. Yes, there are issues surrounding our involvement in the war against Iraq and the claims of WMD, as well as financing the purchase of weapons etc. However, there is absolutely no doubt that Hussein was guilty of war crimes against his own people and those in neighbouring countries. As such, I still do not understand why people such as Galloway put this man on a pedestal. He was, after all, a vile criminal, irrespective of whether it was our responsibility to capture/trial him..! . This has obviously been made worse by the subsequent capture, trial and execution of Hussein. Some of his 'followers' are now treating him as a modern day Martyr and he is certainly not one of those. . Let's be brutally honest about this. Galloway ONLY won his seat because of his views against the war on Iraq and his own opinion of Hussein. Had he been contesting the seat in a non-Asian community, he wouldn't have got anywhere near the number of votes that he did. Had he been running for the seat in Bradford South (for example), we wouldn't be having this debate. . As for his 'spin' above, I will believe it when I see it. If he can find wealthy backers that can take Bradford City forward and those backers are legit, I am all for it. As long as it isn't his 'dirty' money being invested, I don't see why others are against it. Surely progression is .... progression?
Waynus the '''dirty' money'' you refer to NEVER actually existed it was the type of propaganda I was relating to above and you have absorbed this and ,unfortunately, taken it as a truth. Be careful, George has already successfully sued the Daily Telegraph for defamation over this so I wouldn't repeat the lie if I was you. It wasn't GG who provided Saddam with the weapons and the Gas he used to commit these 'war crimes' that you refer to waynus. It wasn't GG who helped Iraq with weapons to aid the slaughter during the Iran Iraq war either. Again, I am not arguing the case of what was right or wrong, I am simply asking you to put some effort into finding out what the REAL or TRUE reasons and/or facts are. IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH ps you might find 'George Galloway Vs The US Senate' on youtube enlightening.
Lonnie, firstly I need to clarify what I meant by 'dirty money'. I'm not suggesting that GG has 'dirty money' and that I have "absorbed this and ,unfortunately, taken it as a truth". I was merely suggesting that I wouldn't touch any of Galloway's personal money as I don't trust the bloke and wouldn't want him 'buying my vote'. That is all I meant.
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In relation to your other points, "It wasn't GG who provided Saddam with the weapons and the Gas he used to commit these 'war crimes' that you refer to waynus. It wasn't GG who helped Iraq with weapons to aid the slaughter during the Iran Iraq war either. Very true, but this article wasn't about those perpetrators was it? Had it been, my response would have been the same.
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Just because weapons were sold by our Government (and that of the USA amongst others), doesn't mean Saddam had to use them. No Saddam wasn't the only guilty party in this, but GG was still wrong to make him out to be blameless, whilst attacking those Governments.
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The fact is, they were ALL to blame, but only one of them is trying to get involved in OUR club..!
I don't understand how you think you would be offered any of GG's money waynus? If you mean you wouldn't want BCFC to 'touch' GG's 'dirty money' -what ever you mean by that- then you are implying something that isn't, and never was, being offered by GG. Here's a quote from above article: 'I’m doing my best to stave off the imminent disaster and see what can be done viz-a-viz sponsorship or even taking a share. That’s not me personally but people I can influence'. Clear enough?

Your logic re: selling Saddam weapons and implying we are then morally absolved from from any death and suffering of innocent men, women and children in Iraq because it was Saddam's decision to use them is an interesting one. I suppose your logic must also absolve drug dealers from any responsibility in the ruination of many countless lives because their customers don't have to use them. Would it not also be acceptable -according to this type of logic- to help deal with the problem of war orphans around the world by allowing paedophiles to adopt them? Our consciences would be clear because it would be up to the paedo's to decide whether or not they wanted to 'use them'!

You didn't watch the video of GG's appearance before the US Senate Committee that I recommended to you did you Waynus? If you did you would have seen and heard him say (AND provide written evidence to back up his statement) the following:
'I was an opponent of Saddam Hussein when British and Americans governments and businessmen were selling him guns and gas. I used to demonstrate outside the Iraqi embassy when British and American officials were going in and doing commerce.
Sen. Norm Coleman
You will see from the official parliamentary record Hansard, from March 15 1990 onwards, voluminous evidence that I have a rather better record of opposition to Saddam Hussein than you do and than any other member of the British or American governments do'.

Do your self a favour waynus, seek the truth and stop providing yourself as a means for regurgitating propaganda and downright lies. Are you prepared to alter your views now that you can see that you have been completely incorrect in your claims about GG or do you wish to continue to dislike him because somebody else has told you you should?

“There is only one good, knowledge, and one evil, ignorance”
Socrates
Oh Lonnie, I have missed your one-sided and biased retorts over the past few months.
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Firstly, as you want to quote the article, please re-read my original quote again...! For your ease, I have copied it below.
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"If he can find wealthy backers that can take Bradford City forward and those backers are legit, I am all for it. As long as it isn't his 'dirty' money being invested, I don't see why others are against it. Surely progression is .... progression?"
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As you can CLEARLY see, I haven't suggested that Galloway WAS going to invest. I was pointing out that if the money was going to come from some wealthy backers, then I didn't see the problem. I would only have had a problem HAD Galloway been investing himself. Understand now????
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As for "Your logic re: selling Saddam weapons and implying we are then morally absolved from from any death and suffering of innocent men, women and children in Iraq because it was Saddam's decision to use them is an interesting one".
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Where the h3ll did I say "we are then morally absolved from from any death and suffering of innocent men, women and children"?
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To clarify, I CLEARLY wrote "No Saddam wasn't the only guilty party in this, but GG was still wrong to make him out to be blameless, whilst attacking those Governments. The fact is, they were ALL to blame, but only one of them is trying to get involved in OUR club..!". Please note the key words there were, "they were ALL to blame". What part of that was so difficult to understand???? You are obviously an intelligent fella, so I can only put down your deliberate mis-reading of my comments as a deliberate attempt to cause offence?
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Finally, no, I have more important things to do than to watch clips on Youtube or anywhere else. What would I have learned from this? Yes, our Governments and those of other Nations (notably USA) were guilty of providing funds for the weaponry and also provided the weapons in some cases. They are guilty of everything that has been said of them and I agree that they should be made accountable. Okay, Galloway has said that he was one of Hussein's biggest opponents, but I clearly remember him being interviewed on TV when he said that "Saddam Hussein is not the one that should be tried for war crimes, that should be Bush and Blair". That is fact and I just wish I can find some clip on the internet to show you.
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I'm not "providing myself as a means for regurgitating propaganda and downright lies", I'm simply relaying what I saw on numerous news channels around that time.
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Are we clear now (on ALL aspects of this post)?!?!?
[quote][p][bold]lonniejockstrap[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Waynus1971[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lonniejockstrap[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Waynus1971[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lonniejockstrap[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nowt fresh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dapiackle[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]murphyslaw[/bold] wrote: LET ME REMIND PEOPLE OUR YOUNG LADS HAVE GIVEN THEIR LIVES FOR OUR COUNTRY AND THIS **** SHOOK THE HAND OF THE DESPOT RESPONSIBLE.[/p][/quote]The despots responsible for the Iraq war were Mr. Blair & Bush and their cronies, unless I missed something and there were in fact WMDs in Iraq and Saddam (installed and funded by the West, just like the Taliban) had in fact attacked us, and that he tried to harbour Al-Qaeda. A totally pointless and illegal war in a dreadful part of the world that wasn't worth one drop of any British serviceman's blood.[/p][/quote]Bang on the money (excuse the pun) dapiackle :-)[/p][/quote]What we ALL need to stop doing is believing what politicians say without question. What we ALL need to start doing is searching below the superficial stories that are printed in the media about why we should invade or attack other countries around the World. Then, when we have used our Brain to THINK and understand the REAL reasons we can then chose to either agree or disagree with those REAL reasons for what is being done in our name. Can anyone tell me why the Taliban were invited to Washington to discuss deals/contracts etc to run Gas and Oil pipes through Afghanistan if they were at that time, so unacceptable to the West? Guess what happened to Afghanistan a short period of time after the Taliban refused to do the deals with the major Energy Corporations re the pipelines? Why is the American Government trying it's damnedest to overthrow the Democratically elected president of Venezuela? Could it be something to do with Chavez trying to sell Oil based on the strength of the Euro instead of the Dollar? What's the real reason that threats are being made to attack Iran? Could it be something to do with Iran trying to sell Oil based on the strength of the Euro instead of the Dollar as opposed to another threat of WMD? Also, investigate what Saddam Hussein did as regards selling Oil based on the Euro and not the Dollar? Still haven't found those WMD's that threatened the West have we? Oh, and you might as well check on Tony Blair's ex-mate Gaddafi regarding Oil and the ditching of the Dollar. At the end of your investigations you might agree or disagree as to why we had to go to War, it's up to you -it's a free country, unless of course the American Government doesn't agree with you. The important thing is this: at least you should have reduced the amount of brainwashing and propaganda that is controlling your thoughtsand be basing your support -or otherwise- for these Wars/Conflicts armed with more information. Here is something to help you on your way: The end of the Dollar by Ron Paul www.lewrockwell.com/ paul/paul303.html[/p][/quote]The thing is Lonnie, there is a big difference between questioning an 'illegal war' with a Country and 'defending/praising' their dictator. Yes, there are issues surrounding our involvement in the war against Iraq and the claims of WMD, as well as financing the purchase of weapons etc. However, there is absolutely no doubt that Hussein was guilty of war crimes against his own people and those in neighbouring countries. As such, I still do not understand why people such as Galloway put this man on a pedestal. He was, after all, a vile criminal, irrespective of whether it was our responsibility to capture/trial him..! . This has obviously been made worse by the subsequent capture, trial and execution of Hussein. Some of his 'followers' are now treating him as a modern day Martyr and he is certainly not one of those. . Let's be brutally honest about this. Galloway ONLY won his seat because of his views against the war on Iraq and his own opinion of Hussein. Had he been contesting the seat in a non-Asian community, he wouldn't have got anywhere near the number of votes that he did. Had he been running for the seat in Bradford South (for example), we wouldn't be having this debate. . As for his 'spin' above, I will believe it when I see it. If he can find wealthy backers that can take Bradford City forward and those backers are legit, I am all for it. As long as it isn't his 'dirty' money being invested, I don't see why others are against it. Surely progression is .... progression?[/p][/quote]Waynus the '''dirty' money'' you refer to NEVER actually existed it was the type of propaganda I was relating to above and you have absorbed this and ,unfortunately, taken it as a truth. Be careful, George has already successfully sued the Daily Telegraph for defamation over this so I wouldn't repeat the lie if I was you. It wasn't GG who provided Saddam with the weapons and the Gas he used to commit these 'war crimes' that you refer to waynus. It wasn't GG who helped Iraq with weapons to aid the slaughter during the Iran Iraq war either. Again, I am not arguing the case of what was right or wrong, I am simply asking you to put some effort into finding out what the REAL or TRUE reasons and/or facts are. IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH ps you might find 'George Galloway Vs The US Senate' on youtube enlightening.[/p][/quote]Lonnie, firstly I need to clarify what I meant by 'dirty money'. I'm not suggesting that GG has 'dirty money' and that I have "absorbed this and ,unfortunately, taken it as a truth". I was merely suggesting that I wouldn't touch any of Galloway's personal money as I don't trust the bloke and wouldn't want him 'buying my vote'. That is all I meant. . In relation to your other points, "It wasn't GG who provided Saddam with the weapons and the Gas he used to commit these 'war crimes' that you refer to waynus. It wasn't GG who helped Iraq with weapons to aid the slaughter during the Iran Iraq war either. Very true, but this article wasn't about those perpetrators was it? Had it been, my response would have been the same. . Just because weapons were sold by our Government (and that of the USA amongst others), doesn't mean Saddam had to use them. No Saddam wasn't the only guilty party in this, but GG was still wrong to make him out to be blameless, whilst attacking those Governments. . The fact is, they were ALL to blame, but only one of them is trying to get involved in OUR club..![/p][/quote]I don't understand how you think you would be offered any of GG's money waynus? If you mean you wouldn't want BCFC to 'touch' GG's 'dirty money' -what ever you mean by that- then you are implying something that isn't, and never was, being offered by GG. Here's a quote from above article: 'I’m doing my best to stave off the imminent disaster and see what can be done viz-a-viz sponsorship or even taking a share. That’s not me personally but people I can influence'. Clear enough? Your logic re: selling Saddam weapons and implying we are then morally absolved from from any death and suffering of innocent men, women and children in Iraq because it was Saddam's decision to use them is an interesting one. I suppose your logic must also absolve drug dealers from any responsibility in the ruination of many countless lives because their customers don't have to use them. Would it not also be acceptable -according to this type of logic- to help deal with the problem of war orphans around the world by allowing paedophiles to adopt them? Our consciences would be clear because it would be up to the paedo's to decide whether or not they wanted to 'use them'! You didn't watch the video of GG's appearance before the US Senate Committee that I recommended to you did you Waynus? If you did you would have seen and heard him say (AND provide written evidence to back up his statement) the following: 'I was an opponent of Saddam Hussein when British and Americans governments and businessmen were selling him guns and gas. I used to demonstrate outside the Iraqi embassy when British and American officials were going in and doing commerce. Sen. Norm Coleman You will see from the official parliamentary record Hansard, from March 15 1990 onwards, voluminous evidence that I have a rather better record of opposition to Saddam Hussein than you do and than any other member of the British or American governments do'. Do your self a favour waynus, seek the truth and stop providing yourself as a means for regurgitating propaganda and downright lies. Are you prepared to alter your views now that you can see that you have been completely incorrect in your claims about GG or do you wish to continue to dislike him because somebody else has told you you should? “There is only one good, knowledge, and one evil, ignorance” Socrates[/p][/quote]Oh Lonnie, I have missed your one-sided and biased retorts over the past few months. . Firstly, as you want to quote the article, please re-read my original quote again...! For your ease, I have copied it below. . "If he can find wealthy backers that can take Bradford City forward and those backers are legit, I am all for it. As long as it isn't his 'dirty' money being invested, I don't see why others are against it. Surely progression is .... progression?" . As you can CLEARLY see, I haven't suggested that Galloway WAS going to invest. I was pointing out that if the money was going to come from some wealthy backers, then I didn't see the problem. I would only have had a problem HAD Galloway been investing himself. Understand now???? . As for "Your logic re: selling Saddam weapons and implying we are then morally absolved from from any death and suffering of innocent men, women and children in Iraq because it was Saddam's decision to use them is an interesting one". . Where the h3ll did I say "we are then morally absolved from from any death and suffering of innocent men, women and children"? . To clarify, I CLEARLY wrote "No Saddam wasn't the only guilty party in this, but GG was still wrong to make him out to be blameless, whilst attacking those Governments. The fact is, they were ALL to blame, but only one of them is trying to get involved in OUR club..!". Please note the key words there were, "they were ALL to blame". What part of that was so difficult to understand???? You are obviously an intelligent fella, so I can only put down your deliberate mis-reading of my comments as a deliberate attempt to cause offence? . Finally, no, I have more important things to do than to watch clips on Youtube or anywhere else. What would I have learned from this? Yes, our Governments and those of other Nations (notably USA) were guilty of providing funds for the weaponry and also provided the weapons in some cases. They are guilty of everything that has been said of them and I agree that they should be made accountable. Okay, Galloway has said that he was one of Hussein's biggest opponents, but I clearly remember him being interviewed on TV when he said that "Saddam Hussein is not the one that should be tried for war crimes, that should be Bush and Blair". That is fact and I just wish I can find some clip on the internet to show you. . I'm not "providing myself as a means for regurgitating propaganda and downright lies", I'm simply relaying what I saw on numerous news channels around that time. . Are we clear now (on ALL aspects of this post)?!?!? Waynus1971
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12:30pm Wed 18 Apr 12

Prisoner Cell Block A says...

I'm disappointed there have been no responses to my tete a tete.

Don't know how to respond to an AIX UN9 engineer? Would you rather I were on benefits to fit in with your mongy post? Would you like me to tow your party line, like you are towing George's? I'd like you to disappear into a small brown hole but no doubt you do on a regualr basis.

Anyway, up the City, we'll survive and get by as we always have, local businessmen with an avid interest in football and Bradford City. Only.
I'm disappointed there have been no responses to my tete a tete. Don't know how to respond to an AIX UN9 engineer? Would you rather I were on benefits to fit in with your mongy post? Would you like me to tow your party line, like you are towing George's? I'd like you to disappear into a small brown hole but no doubt you do on a regualr basis. Anyway, up the City, we'll survive and get by as we always have, local businessmen with an avid interest in football and Bradford City. Only. Prisoner Cell Block A
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6:24pm Wed 18 Apr 12

lonniejockstrap says...

Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:
I'm disappointed there have been no responses to my tete a tete.

Don't know how to respond to an AIX UN9 engineer? Would you rather I were on benefits to fit in with your mongy post? Would you like me to tow your party line, like you are towing George's? I'd like you to disappear into a small brown hole but no doubt you do on a regualr basis.

Anyway, up the City, we'll survive and get by as we always have, local businessmen with an avid interest in football and Bradford City. Only.
Yep, I'd be quite happy to stick with ML and the Rhodes' too PCBA.
[quote][p][bold]Prisoner Cell Block A[/bold] wrote: I'm disappointed there have been no responses to my tete a tete. Don't know how to respond to an AIX UN9 engineer? Would you rather I were on benefits to fit in with your mongy post? Would you like me to tow your party line, like you are towing George's? I'd like you to disappear into a small brown hole but no doubt you do on a regualr basis. Anyway, up the City, we'll survive and get by as we always have, local businessmen with an avid interest in football and Bradford City. Only.[/p][/quote]Yep, I'd be quite happy to stick with ML and the Rhodes' too PCBA. lonniejockstrap
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6:45pm Wed 18 Apr 12

lonniejockstrap says...

Waynus, I have a feeling I will always struggle to understand what it is you are actually trying to communicate. You had an opportunity to watch for yourself GG's response to allegations but you 'had more important things to do'. Fair enough, but then you guessed at what you would learn from video. Sorry waynus, but you guessed wrong. You stick to guessing and repeating what you have heard from other people if that is what you prefer to base your opinions on. My point all along in this article has been about seeking out the facts and truth, not about whether or not GG is a great bloke and whether you like him or not. YOU, unfortunately, have got at least some of your 'facts' wrong about GG.
Waynus, I have a feeling I will always struggle to understand what it is you are actually trying to communicate. You had an opportunity to watch for yourself GG's response to allegations but you 'had more important things to do'. Fair enough, but then you guessed at what you would learn from video. Sorry waynus, but you guessed wrong. You stick to guessing and repeating what you have heard from other people if that is what you prefer to base your opinions on. My point all along in this article has been about seeking out the facts and truth, not about whether or not GG is a great bloke and whether you like him or not. YOU, unfortunately, have got at least some of your 'facts' wrong about GG. lonniejockstrap
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8:06pm Wed 18 Apr 12

Prisoner Cell Block A says...

I'll always back JR lonnie, I was Wells to his Hanson( more Deano tbh) and also played cricket with him and DR, I also worked for Filtronic for 6 years and looked after the exec box list for the company. I also am slightly more aware than most of the familys involvement and sacrifices they have made for bcafc. ML came in at a time when he was needed and although I know only what I have read about him and by him so cannot give a knowledgeable opinion on him over and above he has propped city up more than the rest of us put together and for that he deserves our continued support and respect. I just wish he employed a PR man
I'll always back JR lonnie, I was Wells to his Hanson( more Deano tbh) and also played cricket with him and DR, I also worked for Filtronic for 6 years and looked after the exec box list for the company. I also am slightly more aware than most of the familys involvement and sacrifices they have made for bcafc. ML came in at a time when he was needed and although I know only what I have read about him and by him so cannot give a knowledgeable opinion on him over and above he has propped city up more than the rest of us put together and for that he deserves our continued support and respect. I just wish he employed a PR man Prisoner Cell Block A
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8:35pm Wed 18 Apr 12

Prisoner Cell Block A says...

PS Lawn has been a city fan much longer than his co-conspirator.
PS Lawn has been a city fan much longer than his co-conspirator. Prisoner Cell Block A
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8:57pm Wed 18 Apr 12

lonniejockstrap says...

I have been appalled at the lack of recognition, by some posters on here, for all the time they have and financial risk they have taken over the years. But the world is weighed down with ignorance so I suppose it's to be expected It's always good to hear from personal contacts re the 'good side' of our Club custodians.

Yep I believe ML has been a fan for 40 years or so same as you and I, I believe.

Watching Barca at the mo, 'it's just like watching Citeee, it's just like watching Citeee, it's just like watching Citeeee.
I have been appalled at the lack of recognition, by some posters on here, for all the time they have and financial risk they have taken over the years. But the world is weighed down with ignorance so I suppose it's to be expected It's always good to hear from personal contacts re the 'good side' of our Club custodians. Yep I believe ML has been a fan for 40 years or so same as you and I, I believe. Watching Barca at the mo, 'it's just like watching Citeee, it's just like watching Citeee, it's just like watching Citeeee. lonniejockstrap
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9:08pm Wed 18 Apr 12

Waynus1971 says...

lonniejockstrap wrote:
Waynus, I have a feeling I will always struggle to understand what it is you are actually trying to communicate. You had an opportunity to watch for yourself GG's response to allegations but you 'had more important things to do'. Fair enough, but then you guessed at what you would learn from video. Sorry waynus, but you guessed wrong. You stick to guessing and repeating what you have heard from other people if that is what you prefer to base your opinions on. My point all along in this article has been about seeking out the facts and truth, not about whether or not GG is a great bloke and whether you like him or not. YOU, unfortunately, have got at least some of your 'facts' wrong about GG.
Yep, a typical 'Lonnie' response. Firstly, where was the apology for deliberately mis-reading my post? Instead of apologising, you make it out to be my fault that you mis-quoted me. At least be gracious enough to admit you were wrong.
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Secondly, can I just bring you back a few steps. This debate between the two of us started because I said I didn't agree with what I had SEEN Galloway say (not heresay) on TV. You then responded by stating that it wasn't Galloway that supplied the money or arms used by Hussein. This debate was NEVER about the involvement of Bush, Blair etc. They are not the ones promising to bring Saudi money to Bradford.
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I have never disputed what the respective Governments have done and their involvement in Hussein's 'war crimes'. My only issue was what I saw with my own two eyes (and reported at the time) and that was what I posted in my last message.
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Where have I "second-guessed' what the You-Tube video showed? I never did any such thing. I said I didn't watch it as I saw no benefit in doing so. I then responded to snippets of your post, such as "British and American Governments were selling him guns and gas" with " Yes our Governments and those of other nations (notably USA), were guilty of providing funds for the weaponry and also provided the weapons in some cases". And then you wrote, "I have a rather better record of opposition to Saddam Hussein than you do and...." to which I responded with "Okay, Galloway has said that he was one of Hussein's biggest opponents....". Please confirm where I have 'guessed at what I would learn from the video'?????
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Finally, you end your post above by saying 'YOU, unfortunately have got at least some of your facts wrong about GG'. What 'facts' (plural) are they? I saw Galloway on TV say what I claimed previously to be a fact. I can't get you to believe this and I won't even try because I know that without the evidence, your stubborness will prevent you changing your view.
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I still believe (as I said in my last post) that you are just trying to pick an argument, which is very naughty of you and you are better than that....!
[quote][p][bold]lonniejockstrap[/bold] wrote: Waynus, I have a feeling I will always struggle to understand what it is you are actually trying to communicate. You had an opportunity to watch for yourself GG's response to allegations but you 'had more important things to do'. Fair enough, but then you guessed at what you would learn from video. Sorry waynus, but you guessed wrong. You stick to guessing and repeating what you have heard from other people if that is what you prefer to base your opinions on. My point all along in this article has been about seeking out the facts and truth, not about whether or not GG is a great bloke and whether you like him or not. YOU, unfortunately, have got at least some of your 'facts' wrong about GG.[/p][/quote]Yep, a typical 'Lonnie' response. Firstly, where was the apology for deliberately mis-reading my post? Instead of apologising, you make it out to be my fault that you mis-quoted me. At least be gracious enough to admit you were wrong. . Secondly, can I just bring you back a few steps. This debate between the two of us started because I said I didn't agree with what I had SEEN Galloway say (not heresay) on TV. You then responded by stating that it wasn't Galloway that supplied the money or arms used by Hussein. This debate was NEVER about the involvement of Bush, Blair etc. They are not the ones promising to bring Saudi money to Bradford. . I have never disputed what the respective Governments have done and their involvement in Hussein's 'war crimes'. My only issue was what I saw with my own two eyes (and reported at the time) and that was what I posted in my last message. . Where have I "second-guessed' what the You-Tube video showed? I never did any such thing. I said I didn't watch it as I saw no benefit in doing so. I then responded to snippets of your post, such as "British and American Governments were selling him guns and gas" with " Yes our Governments and those of other nations (notably USA), were guilty of providing funds for the weaponry and also provided the weapons in some cases". And then you wrote, "I have a rather better record of opposition to Saddam Hussein than you do and...." to which I responded with "Okay, Galloway has said that he was one of Hussein's biggest opponents....". Please confirm where I have 'guessed at what I would learn from the video'????? . Finally, you end your post above by saying 'YOU, unfortunately have got at least some of your facts wrong about GG'. What 'facts' (plural) are they? I saw Galloway on TV say what I claimed previously to be a fact. I can't get you to believe this and I won't even try because I know that without the evidence, your stubborness will prevent you changing your view. . I still believe (as I said in my last post) that you are just trying to pick an argument, which is very naughty of you and you are better than that....! Waynus1971
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9:58pm Wed 18 Apr 12

lonniejockstrap says...

Waynus1971 wrote:
lonniejockstrap wrote:
Waynus, I have a feeling I will always struggle to understand what it is you are actually trying to communicate. You had an opportunity to watch for yourself GG's response to allegations but you 'had more important things to do'. Fair enough, but then you guessed at what you would learn from video. Sorry waynus, but you guessed wrong. You stick to guessing and repeating what you have heard from other people if that is what you prefer to base your opinions on. My point all along in this article has been about seeking out the facts and truth, not about whether or not GG is a great bloke and whether you like him or not. YOU, unfortunately, have got at least some of your 'facts' wrong about GG.
Yep, a typical 'Lonnie' response. Firstly, where was the apology for deliberately mis-reading my post? Instead of apologising, you make it out to be my fault that you mis-quoted me. At least be gracious enough to admit you were wrong.
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Secondly, can I just bring you back a few steps. This debate between the two of us started because I said I didn't agree with what I had SEEN Galloway say (not heresay) on TV. You then responded by stating that it wasn't Galloway that supplied the money or arms used by Hussein. This debate was NEVER about the involvement of Bush, Blair etc. They are not the ones promising to bring Saudi money to Bradford.
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I have never disputed what the respective Governments have done and their involvement in Hussein's 'war crimes'. My only issue was what I saw with my own two eyes (and reported at the time) and that was what I posted in my last message.
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Where have I "second-guessed
' what the You-Tube video showed? I never did any such thing. I said I didn't watch it as I saw no benefit in doing so. I then responded to snippets of your post, such as "British and American Governments were selling him guns and gas" with " Yes our Governments and those of other nations (notably USA), were guilty of providing funds for the weaponry and also provided the weapons in some cases". And then you wrote, "I have a rather better record of opposition to Saddam Hussein than you do and...." to which I responded with "Okay, Galloway has said that he was one of Hussein's biggest opponents....". Please confirm where I have 'guessed at what I would learn from the video'?????
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Finally, you end your post above by saying 'YOU, unfortunately have got at least some of your facts wrong about GG'. What 'facts' (plural) are they? I saw Galloway on TV say what I claimed previously to be a fact. I can't get you to believe this and I won't even try because I know that without the evidence, your stubborness will prevent you changing your view.
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I still believe (as I said in my last post) that you are just trying to pick an argument, which is very naughty of you and you are better than that....!
You 'guessed' because you said: 'What would I have learned from this? Yes, our Governments and those of other Nations (notably USA) were guilty of providing funds for the weaponry and also provided the weapons in some cases'. Well, you are wrong because the Vid was not about that! You don't seem that busy to me waynus going by the amount of time you have spent posting incorrect claims on here about GG.

Could you explain this 'dirty money' claim. Why is his money 'dirty money'? How are you suggesting he has earned his money? Lets here exactly what you mean then we know what picture you are trying to paint.

You claim: 'Galloway put this man on a pedestal'. You also claim: 'Galloway ONLY won his seat because of his views against the war on Iraq and his own opinion of Hussein. Had he been contesting the seat in a non-Asian community, he wouldn't have got anywhere near the number of votes that he did. Had he been running for the seat in Bradford South (for example), we wouldn't be having this debate'. How do you know this? Did you listen to his pre-election speech about the Chief Executive at Bradford Council NOT living in Bradford, the Vice Chancellor of The University of Bradford NOT living in Bradford and heads of other major publicly funded bodies in Bradford that lived outside of Bradford. His point was about how to have those people who are accountable for the mess that Bradford is in to be made to live in Bradford and suffer the consequences of their
actions like the rest of us have to. So you are wrong about him only being interested in Iraq. Your problem is you are not interested in seeking the truth or the facts. They are out there but you are 'too busy' to go find them.

Yes I am 'trying to pick an argument' I am arguing that you are deliberately ignoring the 'other side of the argument' that GG has made. I am arguing that you are deliberately choosing to stick to an opinion regardless of other evidence that was available to you but which you chose to ignore NOT because YOU 'were too busy' but because you don't want to have your prejudices changed.
[quote][p][bold]Waynus1971[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lonniejockstrap[/bold] wrote: Waynus, I have a feeling I will always struggle to understand what it is you are actually trying to communicate. You had an opportunity to watch for yourself GG's response to allegations but you 'had more important things to do'. Fair enough, but then you guessed at what you would learn from video. Sorry waynus, but you guessed wrong. You stick to guessing and repeating what you have heard from other people if that is what you prefer to base your opinions on. My point all along in this article has been about seeking out the facts and truth, not about whether or not GG is a great bloke and whether you like him or not. YOU, unfortunately, have got at least some of your 'facts' wrong about GG.[/p][/quote]Yep, a typical 'Lonnie' response. Firstly, where was the apology for deliberately mis-reading my post? Instead of apologising, you make it out to be my fault that you mis-quoted me. At least be gracious enough to admit you were wrong. . Secondly, can I just bring you back a few steps. This debate between the two of us started because I said I didn't agree with what I had SEEN Galloway say (not heresay) on TV. You then responded by stating that it wasn't Galloway that supplied the money or arms used by Hussein. This debate was NEVER about the involvement of Bush, Blair etc. They are not the ones promising to bring Saudi money to Bradford. . I have never disputed what the respective Governments have done and their involvement in Hussein's 'war crimes'. My only issue was what I saw with my own two eyes (and reported at the time) and that was what I posted in my last message. . Where have I "second-guessed ' what the You-Tube video showed? I never did any such thing. I said I didn't watch it as I saw no benefit in doing so. I then responded to snippets of your post, such as "British and American Governments were selling him guns and gas" with " Yes our Governments and those of other nations (notably USA), were guilty of providing funds for the weaponry and also provided the weapons in some cases". And then you wrote, "I have a rather better record of opposition to Saddam Hussein than you do and...." to which I responded with "Okay, Galloway has said that he was one of Hussein's biggest opponents....". Please confirm where I have 'guessed at what I would learn from the video'????? . Finally, you end your post above by saying 'YOU, unfortunately have got at least some of your facts wrong about GG'. What 'facts' (plural) are they? I saw Galloway on TV say what I claimed previously to be a fact. I can't get you to believe this and I won't even try because I know that without the evidence, your stubborness will prevent you changing your view. . I still believe (as I said in my last post) that you are just trying to pick an argument, which is very naughty of you and you are better than that....![/p][/quote]You 'guessed' because you said: 'What would I have learned from this? Yes, our Governments and those of other Nations (notably USA) were guilty of providing funds for the weaponry and also provided the weapons in some cases'. Well, you are wrong because the Vid was not about that! You don't seem that busy to me waynus going by the amount of time you have spent posting incorrect claims on here about GG. Could you explain this 'dirty money' claim. Why is his money 'dirty money'? How are you suggesting he has earned his money? Lets here exactly what you mean then we know what picture you are trying to paint. You claim: 'Galloway put this man on a pedestal'. You also claim: 'Galloway ONLY won his seat because of his views against the war on Iraq and his own opinion of Hussein. Had he been contesting the seat in a non-Asian community, he wouldn't have got anywhere near the number of votes that he did. Had he been running for the seat in Bradford South (for example), we wouldn't be having this debate'. How do you know this? Did you listen to his pre-election speech about the Chief Executive at Bradford Council NOT living in Bradford, the Vice Chancellor of The University of Bradford NOT living in Bradford and heads of other major publicly funded bodies in Bradford that lived outside of Bradford. His point was about how to have those people who are accountable for the mess that Bradford is in to be made to live in Bradford and suffer the consequences of their actions like the rest of us have to. So you are wrong about him only being interested in Iraq. Your problem is you are not interested in seeking the truth or the facts. They are out there but you are 'too busy' to go find them. Yes I am 'trying to pick an argument' I am arguing that you are deliberately ignoring the 'other side of the argument' that GG has made. I am arguing that you are deliberately choosing to stick to an opinion regardless of other evidence that was available to you but which you chose to ignore NOT because YOU 'were too busy' but because you don't want to have your prejudices changed. lonniejockstrap
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9:43am Thu 19 Apr 12

Prisoner Cell Block A says...

Lonnie, where does this Bradford MP live? Genuine question. I'm guessing not Girlington but can't hazard further guesses.
Lonnie, where does this Bradford MP live? Genuine question. I'm guessing not Girlington but can't hazard further guesses. Prisoner Cell Block A
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12:51pm Thu 19 Apr 12

Waynus1971 says...

lonniejockstrap wrote:
Waynus1971 wrote:
lonniejockstrap wrote: Waynus, I have a feeling I will always struggle to understand what it is you are actually trying to communicate. You had an opportunity to watch for yourself GG's response to allegations but you 'had more important things to do'. Fair enough, but then you guessed at what you would learn from video. Sorry waynus, but you guessed wrong. You stick to guessing and repeating what you have heard from other people if that is what you prefer to base your opinions on. My point all along in this article has been about seeking out the facts and truth, not about whether or not GG is a great bloke and whether you like him or not. YOU, unfortunately, have got at least some of your 'facts' wrong about GG.
Yep, a typical 'Lonnie' response. Firstly, where was the apology for deliberately mis-reading my post? Instead of apologising, you make it out to be my fault that you mis-quoted me. At least be gracious enough to admit you were wrong. . Secondly, can I just bring you back a few steps. This debate between the two of us started because I said I didn't agree with what I had SEEN Galloway say (not heresay) on TV. You then responded by stating that it wasn't Galloway that supplied the money or arms used by Hussein. This debate was NEVER about the involvement of Bush, Blair etc. They are not the ones promising to bring Saudi money to Bradford. . I have never disputed what the respective Governments have done and their involvement in Hussein's 'war crimes'. My only issue was what I saw with my own two eyes (and reported at the time) and that was what I posted in my last message. . Where have I "second-guessed ' what the You-Tube video showed? I never did any such thing. I said I didn't watch it as I saw no benefit in doing so. I then responded to snippets of your post, such as "British and American Governments were selling him guns and gas" with " Yes our Governments and those of other nations (notably USA), were guilty of providing funds for the weaponry and also provided the weapons in some cases". And then you wrote, "I have a rather better record of opposition to Saddam Hussein than you do and...." to which I responded with "Okay, Galloway has said that he was one of Hussein's biggest opponents....". Please confirm where I have 'guessed at what I would learn from the video'????? . Finally, you end your post above by saying 'YOU, unfortunately have got at least some of your facts wrong about GG'. What 'facts' (plural) are they? I saw Galloway on TV say what I claimed previously to be a fact. I can't get you to believe this and I won't even try because I know that without the evidence, your stubborness will prevent you changing your view. . I still believe (as I said in my last post) that you are just trying to pick an argument, which is very naughty of you and you are better than that....!
You 'guessed' because you said: 'What would I have learned from this? Yes, our Governments and those of other Nations (notably USA) were guilty of providing funds for the weaponry and also provided the weapons in some cases'. Well, you are wrong because the Vid was not about that! You don't seem that busy to me waynus going by the amount of time you have spent posting incorrect claims on here about GG. Could you explain this 'dirty money' claim. Why is his money 'dirty money'? How are you suggesting he has earned his money? Lets here exactly what you mean then we know what picture you are trying to paint. You claim: 'Galloway put this man on a pedestal'. You also claim: 'Galloway ONLY won his seat because of his views against the war on Iraq and his own opinion of Hussein. Had he been contesting the seat in a non-Asian community, he wouldn't have got anywhere near the number of votes that he did. Had he been running for the seat in Bradford South (for example), we wouldn't be having this debate'. How do you know this? Did you listen to his pre-election speech about the Chief Executive at Bradford Council NOT living in Bradford, the Vice Chancellor of The University of Bradford NOT living in Bradford and heads of other major publicly funded bodies in Bradford that lived outside of Bradford. His point was about how to have those people who are accountable for the mess that Bradford is in to be made to live in Bradford and suffer the consequences of their actions like the rest of us have to. So you are wrong about him only being interested in Iraq. Your problem is you are not interested in seeking the truth or the facts. They are out there but you are 'too busy' to go find them. Yes I am 'trying to pick an argument' I am arguing that you are deliberately ignoring the 'other side of the argument' that GG has made. I am arguing that you are deliberately choosing to stick to an opinion regardless of other evidence that was available to you but which you chose to ignore NOT because YOU 'were too busy' but because you don't want to have your prejudices changed.
Oh Lonnie. You keep going fella, just like you do best. You say I'm not open to other views, but that is EXACTLY what you are doing. I provided a rough quote of what Galloway had publicly said on TV and YOU refused to acknowledge this.
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I have never disputed that Galloway was against our Governments trading with Hussein or that he stood outside to protest. I have never even disputed that he has Bradford at the forefront of everything he will bring, not that he has been elected.
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However, there was a Poll, in Bradford city centre, completed just weeks before the election and Galloway did NOT come out in any glory. That is how I made my observation on why GG only got the votes in that area, based on his views on Blair & Bush invading 'Iraq'. Admittedly, I shouldn't have done this, but there must be a reason why a street poll in the centre of Bradford showed GG not to be in the running, but when it came to the votes, he coasted home with a high percentage.
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I'm going to disregard your comment about 'dirty money' as I have already explained this to you once. I refuse to go over the same, old ground again.!
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Finally, NO, I did not second guess the content of the video. My first sentence was asking what I would have gained from doing so. This was for you to answer. My second sentence was unrelated and was MY OWN view of what you had suggested previously. I was certainly not second guessing what the video showed. I have absolutely no interest in it.
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From an article about GG suggesting he knew of some people who may be persuaded to invest in Bradford City, YOU helped convert this into a debate about the wrongs of our elected Governments and their lies. And as you said yourself, "What we ALL need to stop doing is believing what politicians say without question". Please remind me again, is Galloway a politician and thus should we be believing what he said at his 'pre-election speech'??????
[quote][p][bold]lonniejockstrap[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Waynus1971[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lonniejockstrap[/bold] wrote: Waynus, I have a feeling I will always struggle to understand what it is you are actually trying to communicate. You had an opportunity to watch for yourself GG's response to allegations but you 'had more important things to do'. Fair enough, but then you guessed at what you would learn from video. Sorry waynus, but you guessed wrong. You stick to guessing and repeating what you have heard from other people if that is what you prefer to base your opinions on. My point all along in this article has been about seeking out the facts and truth, not about whether or not GG is a great bloke and whether you like him or not. YOU, unfortunately, have got at least some of your 'facts' wrong about GG.[/p][/quote]Yep, a typical 'Lonnie' response. Firstly, where was the apology for deliberately mis-reading my post? Instead of apologising, you make it out to be my fault that you mis-quoted me. At least be gracious enough to admit you were wrong. . Secondly, can I just bring you back a few steps. This debate between the two of us started because I said I didn't agree with what I had SEEN Galloway say (not heresay) on TV. You then responded by stating that it wasn't Galloway that supplied the money or arms used by Hussein. This debate was NEVER about the involvement of Bush, Blair etc. They are not the ones promising to bring Saudi money to Bradford. . I have never disputed what the respective Governments have done and their involvement in Hussein's 'war crimes'. My only issue was what I saw with my own two eyes (and reported at the time) and that was what I posted in my last message. . Where have I "second-guessed ' what the You-Tube video showed? I never did any such thing. I said I didn't watch it as I saw no benefit in doing so. I then responded to snippets of your post, such as "British and American Governments were selling him guns and gas" with " Yes our Governments and those of other nations (notably USA), were guilty of providing funds for the weaponry and also provided the weapons in some cases". And then you wrote, "I have a rather better record of opposition to Saddam Hussein than you do and...." to which I responded with "Okay, Galloway has said that he was one of Hussein's biggest opponents....". Please confirm where I have 'guessed at what I would learn from the video'????? . Finally, you end your post above by saying 'YOU, unfortunately have got at least some of your facts wrong about GG'. What 'facts' (plural) are they? I saw Galloway on TV say what I claimed previously to be a fact. I can't get you to believe this and I won't even try because I know that without the evidence, your stubborness will prevent you changing your view. . I still believe (as I said in my last post) that you are just trying to pick an argument, which is very naughty of you and you are better than that....![/p][/quote]You 'guessed' because you said: 'What would I have learned from this? Yes, our Governments and those of other Nations (notably USA) were guilty of providing funds for the weaponry and also provided the weapons in some cases'. Well, you are wrong because the Vid was not about that! You don't seem that busy to me waynus going by the amount of time you have spent posting incorrect claims on here about GG. Could you explain this 'dirty money' claim. Why is his money 'dirty money'? How are you suggesting he has earned his money? Lets here exactly what you mean then we know what picture you are trying to paint. You claim: 'Galloway put this man on a pedestal'. You also claim: 'Galloway ONLY won his seat because of his views against the war on Iraq and his own opinion of Hussein. Had he been contesting the seat in a non-Asian community, he wouldn't have got anywhere near the number of votes that he did. Had he been running for the seat in Bradford South (for example), we wouldn't be having this debate'. How do you know this? Did you listen to his pre-election speech about the Chief Executive at Bradford Council NOT living in Bradford, the Vice Chancellor of The University of Bradford NOT living in Bradford and heads of other major publicly funded bodies in Bradford that lived outside of Bradford. His point was about how to have those people who are accountable for the mess that Bradford is in to be made to live in Bradford and suffer the consequences of their actions like the rest of us have to. So you are wrong about him only being interested in Iraq. Your problem is you are not interested in seeking the truth or the facts. They are out there but you are 'too busy' to go find them. Yes I am 'trying to pick an argument' I am arguing that you are deliberately ignoring the 'other side of the argument' that GG has made. I am arguing that you are deliberately choosing to stick to an opinion regardless of other evidence that was available to you but which you chose to ignore NOT because YOU 'were too busy' but because you don't want to have your prejudices changed.[/p][/quote]Oh Lonnie. You keep going fella, just like you do best. You say I'm not open to other views, but that is EXACTLY what you are doing. I provided a rough quote of what Galloway had publicly said on TV and YOU refused to acknowledge this. . I have never disputed that Galloway was against our Governments trading with Hussein or that he stood outside to protest. I have never even disputed that he has Bradford at the forefront of everything he will bring, not that he has been elected. . However, there was a Poll, in Bradford city centre, completed just weeks before the election and Galloway did NOT come out in any glory. That is how I made my observation on why GG only got the votes in that area, based on his views on Blair & Bush invading 'Iraq'. Admittedly, I shouldn't have done this, but there must be a reason why a street poll in the centre of Bradford showed GG not to be in the running, but when it came to the votes, he coasted home with a high percentage. . I'm going to disregard your comment about 'dirty money' as I have already explained this to you once. I refuse to go over the same, old ground again.! . Finally, NO, I did not second guess the content of the video. My first sentence was asking what I would have gained from doing so. This was for you to answer. My second sentence was unrelated and was MY OWN view of what you had suggested previously. I was certainly not second guessing what the video showed. I have absolutely no interest in it. . From an article about GG suggesting he knew of some people who may be persuaded to invest in Bradford City, YOU helped convert this into a debate about the wrongs of our elected Governments and their lies. And as you said yourself, "What we ALL need to stop doing is believing what politicians say without question". Please remind me again, is Galloway a politician and thus should we be believing what he said at his 'pre-election speech'?????? Waynus1971
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3:30pm Thu 19 Apr 12

Prisoner Cell Block A says...

Nope, we should never believe anything, any politician says. The dictionary definition of politician should include, prone to lies, exagerration and self service.

We should also discourage politics and sport, any sport, as sport is the release of the working classes and politics the same for the upper classes. There are working class heroes in politics but they are few and far between and they are a dying breed.
Nope, we should never believe anything, any politician says. The dictionary definition of politician should include, prone to lies, exagerration and self service. We should also discourage politics and sport, any sport, as sport is the release of the working classes and politics the same for the upper classes. There are working class heroes in politics but they are few and far between and they are a dying breed. Prisoner Cell Block A
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4:03pm Thu 19 Apr 12

lonniejockstrap says...

Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:
Lonnie, where does this Bradford MP live? Genuine question. I'm guessing not Girlington but can't hazard further guesses.
No I don't think it's in Girlington. I heard him mention the area a few days back but didn't register it. However, it is Bradford and in his constituency I am pretty sure of that. I will search around and see if I can supply you with the area.
[quote][p][bold]Prisoner Cell Block A[/bold] wrote: Lonnie, where does this Bradford MP live? Genuine question. I'm guessing not Girlington but can't hazard further guesses.[/p][/quote]No I don't think it's in Girlington. I heard him mention the area a few days back but didn't register it. However, it is Bradford and in his constituency I am pretty sure of that. I will search around and see if I can supply you with the area. lonniejockstrap
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4:03pm Thu 19 Apr 12

lonniejockstrap says...

Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:
Lonnie, where does this Bradford MP live? Genuine question. I'm guessing not Girlington but can't hazard further guesses.
No I don't think it's in Girlington. I heard him mention the area a few days back but didn't register it. However, it is Bradford and in his constituency I am pretty sure of that. I will search around and see if I can supply you with the area.
[quote][p][bold]Prisoner Cell Block A[/bold] wrote: Lonnie, where does this Bradford MP live? Genuine question. I'm guessing not Girlington but can't hazard further guesses.[/p][/quote]No I don't think it's in Girlington. I heard him mention the area a few days back but didn't register it. However, it is Bradford and in his constituency I am pretty sure of that. I will search around and see if I can supply you with the area. lonniejockstrap
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4:15pm Thu 19 Apr 12

lonniejockstrap says...

Waynus1971 wrote:
lonniejockstrap wrote:
Waynus1971 wrote:
lonniejockstrap wrote: Waynus, I have a feeling I will always struggle to understand what it is you are actually trying to communicate. You had an opportunity to watch for yourself GG's response to allegations but you 'had more important things to do'. Fair enough, but then you guessed at what you would learn from video. Sorry waynus, but you guessed wrong. You stick to guessing and repeating what you have heard from other people if that is what you prefer to base your opinions on. My point all along in this article has been about seeking out the facts and truth, not about whether or not GG is a great bloke and whether you like him or not. YOU, unfortunately, have got at least some of your 'facts' wrong about GG.
Yep, a typical 'Lonnie' response. Firstly, where was the apology for deliberately mis-reading my post? Instead of apologising, you make it out to be my fault that you mis-quoted me. At least be gracious enough to admit you were wrong. . Secondly, can I just bring you back a few steps. This debate between the two of us started because I said I didn't agree with what I had SEEN Galloway say (not heresay) on TV. You then responded by stating that it wasn't Galloway that supplied the money or arms used by Hussein. This debate was NEVER about the involvement of Bush, Blair etc. They are not the ones promising to bring Saudi money to Bradford. . I have never disputed what the respective Governments have done and their involvement in Hussein's 'war crimes'. My only issue was what I saw with my own two eyes (and reported at the time) and that was what I posted in my last message. . Where have I "second-guessed ' what the You-Tube video showed? I never did any such thing. I said I didn't watch it as I saw no benefit in doing so. I then responded to snippets of your post, such as "British and American Governments were selling him guns and gas" with " Yes our Governments and those of other nations (notably USA), were guilty of providing funds for the weaponry and also provided the weapons in some cases". And then you wrote, "I have a rather better record of opposition to Saddam Hussein than you do and...." to which I responded with "Okay, Galloway has said that he was one of Hussein's biggest opponents....". Please confirm where I have 'guessed at what I would learn from the video'????? . Finally, you end your post above by saying 'YOU, unfortunately have got at least some of your facts wrong about GG'. What 'facts' (plural) are they? I saw Galloway on TV say what I claimed previously to be a fact. I can't get you to believe this and I won't even try because I know that without the evidence, your stubborness will prevent you changing your view. . I still believe (as I said in my last post) that you are just trying to pick an argument, which is very naughty of you and you are better than that....!
You 'guessed' because you said: 'What would I have learned from this? Yes, our Governments and those of other Nations (notably USA) were guilty of providing funds for the weaponry and also provided the weapons in some cases'. Well, you are wrong because the Vid was not about that! You don't seem that busy to me waynus going by the amount of time you have spent posting incorrect claims on here about GG. Could you explain this 'dirty money' claim. Why is his money 'dirty money'? How are you suggesting he has earned his money? Lets here exactly what you mean then we know what picture you are trying to paint. You claim: 'Galloway put this man on a pedestal'. You also claim: 'Galloway ONLY won his seat because of his views against the war on Iraq and his own opinion of Hussein. Had he been contesting the seat in a non-Asian community, he wouldn't have got anywhere near the number of votes that he did. Had he been running for the seat in Bradford South (for example), we wouldn't be having this debate'. How do you know this? Did you listen to his pre-election speech about the Chief Executive at Bradford Council NOT living in Bradford, the Vice Chancellor of The University of Bradford NOT living in Bradford and heads of other major publicly funded bodies in Bradford that lived outside of Bradford. His point was about how to have those people who are accountable for the mess that Bradford is in to be made to live in Bradford and suffer the consequences of their actions like the rest of us have to. So you are wrong about him only being interested in Iraq. Your problem is you are not interested in seeking the truth or the facts. They are out there but you are 'too busy' to go find them. Yes I am 'trying to pick an argument' I am arguing that you are deliberately ignoring the 'other side of the argument' that GG has made. I am arguing that you are deliberately choosing to stick to an opinion regardless of other evidence that was available to you but which you chose to ignore NOT because YOU 'were too busy' but because you don't want to have your prejudices changed.
Oh Lonnie. You keep going fella, just like you do best. You say I'm not open to other views, but that is EXACTLY what you are doing. I provided a rough quote of what Galloway had publicly said on TV and YOU refused to acknowledge this.
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I have never disputed that Galloway was against our Governments trading with Hussein or that he stood outside to protest. I have never even disputed that he has Bradford at the forefront of everything he will bring, not that he has been elected.
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However, there was a Poll, in Bradford city centre, completed just weeks before the election and Galloway did NOT come out in any glory. That is how I made my observation on why GG only got the votes in that area, based on his views on Blair & Bush invading 'Iraq'. Admittedly, I shouldn't have done this, but there must be a reason why a street poll in the centre of Bradford showed GG not to be in the running, but when it came to the votes, he coasted home with a high percentage.
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I'm going to disregard your comment about 'dirty money' as I have already explained this to you once. I refuse to go over the same, old ground again.!
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Finally, NO, I did not second guess the content of the video. My first sentence was asking what I would have gained from doing so. This was for you to answer. My second sentence was unrelated and was MY OWN view of what you had suggested previously. I was certainly not second guessing what the video showed. I have absolutely no interest in it.
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From an article about GG suggesting he knew of some people who may be persuaded to invest in Bradford City, YOU helped convert this into a debate about the wrongs of our elected Governments and their lies. And as you said yourself, "What we ALL need to stop doing is believing what politicians say without question". Please remind me again, is Galloway a politician and thus should we be believing what he said at his 'pre-election speech'??????
No! 'not without question'. But as you say above, you 'have absolutely no interest in it' (what GG actually had to say that showed his accusers of being very underhand and lacking in a belief in a search for the 'truth'.

I don't accept you have explained why you think GG's money is 'dirty'. I don't think you have any justification for saying this and are now deciding to take the easy way out of having to try justify it. It would be more mature to just withdraw the accusation.
[quote][p][bold]Waynus1971[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lonniejockstrap[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Waynus1971[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lonniejockstrap[/bold] wrote: Waynus, I have a feeling I will always struggle to understand what it is you are actually trying to communicate. You had an opportunity to watch for yourself GG's response to allegations but you 'had more important things to do'. Fair enough, but then you guessed at what you would learn from video. Sorry waynus, but you guessed wrong. You stick to guessing and repeating what you have heard from other people if that is what you prefer to base your opinions on. My point all along in this article has been about seeking out the facts and truth, not about whether or not GG is a great bloke and whether you like him or not. YOU, unfortunately, have got at least some of your 'facts' wrong about GG.[/p][/quote]Yep, a typical 'Lonnie' response. Firstly, where was the apology for deliberately mis-reading my post? Instead of apologising, you make it out to be my fault that you mis-quoted me. At least be gracious enough to admit you were wrong. . Secondly, can I just bring you back a few steps. This debate between the two of us started because I said I didn't agree with what I had SEEN Galloway say (not heresay) on TV. You then responded by stating that it wasn't Galloway that supplied the money or arms used by Hussein. This debate was NEVER about the involvement of Bush, Blair etc. They are not the ones promising to bring Saudi money to Bradford. . I have never disputed what the respective Governments have done and their involvement in Hussein's 'war crimes'. My only issue was what I saw with my own two eyes (and reported at the time) and that was what I posted in my last message. . Where have I "second-guessed ' what the You-Tube video showed? I never did any such thing. I said I didn't watch it as I saw no benefit in doing so. I then responded to snippets of your post, such as "British and American Governments were selling him guns and gas" with " Yes our Governments and those of other nations (notably USA), were guilty of providing funds for the weaponry and also provided the weapons in some cases". And then you wrote, "I have a rather better record of opposition to Saddam Hussein than you do and...." to which I responded with "Okay, Galloway has said that he was one of Hussein's biggest opponents....". Please confirm where I have 'guessed at what I would learn from the video'????? . Finally, you end your post above by saying 'YOU, unfortunately have got at least some of your facts wrong about GG'. What 'facts' (plural) are they? I saw Galloway on TV say what I claimed previously to be a fact. I can't get you to believe this and I won't even try because I know that without the evidence, your stubborness will prevent you changing your view. . I still believe (as I said in my last post) that you are just trying to pick an argument, which is very naughty of you and you are better than that....![/p][/quote]You 'guessed' because you said: 'What would I have learned from this? Yes, our Governments and those of other Nations (notably USA) were guilty of providing funds for the weaponry and also provided the weapons in some cases'. Well, you are wrong because the Vid was not about that! You don't seem that busy to me waynus going by the amount of time you have spent posting incorrect claims on here about GG. Could you explain this 'dirty money' claim. Why is his money 'dirty money'? How are you suggesting he has earned his money? Lets here exactly what you mean then we know what picture you are trying to paint. You claim: 'Galloway put this man on a pedestal'. You also claim: 'Galloway ONLY won his seat because of his views against the war on Iraq and his own opinion of Hussein. Had he been contesting the seat in a non-Asian community, he wouldn't have got anywhere near the number of votes that he did. Had he been running for the seat in Bradford South (for example), we wouldn't be having this debate'. How do you know this? Did you listen to his pre-election speech about the Chief Executive at Bradford Council NOT living in Bradford, the Vice Chancellor of The University of Bradford NOT living in Bradford and heads of other major publicly funded bodies in Bradford that lived outside of Bradford. His point was about how to have those people who are accountable for the mess that Bradford is in to be made to live in Bradford and suffer the consequences of their actions like the rest of us have to. So you are wrong about him only being interested in Iraq. Your problem is you are not interested in seeking the truth or the facts. They are out there but you are 'too busy' to go find them. Yes I am 'trying to pick an argument' I am arguing that you are deliberately ignoring the 'other side of the argument' that GG has made. I am arguing that you are deliberately choosing to stick to an opinion regardless of other evidence that was available to you but which you chose to ignore NOT because YOU 'were too busy' but because you don't want to have your prejudices changed.[/p][/quote]Oh Lonnie. You keep going fella, just like you do best. You say I'm not open to other views, but that is EXACTLY what you are doing. I provided a rough quote of what Galloway had publicly said on TV and YOU refused to acknowledge this. . I have never disputed that Galloway was against our Governments trading with Hussein or that he stood outside to protest. I have never even disputed that he has Bradford at the forefront of everything he will bring, not that he has been elected. . However, there was a Poll, in Bradford city centre, completed just weeks before the election and Galloway did NOT come out in any glory. That is how I made my observation on why GG only got the votes in that area, based on his views on Blair & Bush invading 'Iraq'. Admittedly, I shouldn't have done this, but there must be a reason why a street poll in the centre of Bradford showed GG not to be in the running, but when it came to the votes, he coasted home with a high percentage. . I'm going to disregard your comment about 'dirty money' as I have already explained this to you once. I refuse to go over the same, old ground again.! . Finally, NO, I did not second guess the content of the video. My first sentence was asking what I would have gained from doing so. This was for you to answer. My second sentence was unrelated and was MY OWN view of what you had suggested previously. I was certainly not second guessing what the video showed. I have absolutely no interest in it. . From an article about GG suggesting he knew of some people who may be persuaded to invest in Bradford City, YOU helped convert this into a debate about the wrongs of our elected Governments and their lies. And as you said yourself, "What we ALL need to stop doing is believing what politicians say without question". Please remind me again, is Galloway a politician and thus should we be believing what he said at his 'pre-election speech'??????[/p][/quote]No! 'not without question'. But as you say above, you 'have absolutely no interest in it' (what GG actually had to say that showed his accusers of being very underhand and lacking in a belief in a search for the 'truth'. I don't accept you have explained why you think GG's money is 'dirty'. I don't think you have any justification for saying this and are now deciding to take the easy way out of having to try justify it. It would be more mature to just withdraw the accusation. lonniejockstrap
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9:58pm Thu 19 Apr 12

lonniejockstrap says...

lonniejockstrap wrote:
Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:
Lonnie, where does this Bradford MP live? Genuine question. I'm guessing not Girlington but can't hazard further guesses.
No I don't think it's in Girlington. I heard him mention the area a few days back but didn't register it. However, it is Bradford and in his constituency I am pretty sure of that. I will search around and see if I can supply you with the area.
I've gone through most of the videos I had previously watched PCBA and can't find the bit where I thought I heard him refer to where he was taking up residence. Don't think I dreamt it but who knows. I will keep trying.
[quote][p][bold]lonniejockstrap[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Prisoner Cell Block A[/bold] wrote: Lonnie, where does this Bradford MP live? Genuine question. I'm guessing not Girlington but can't hazard further guesses.[/p][/quote]No I don't think it's in Girlington. I heard him mention the area a few days back but didn't register it. However, it is Bradford and in his constituency I am pretty sure of that. I will search around and see if I can supply you with the area.[/p][/quote]I've gone through most of the videos I had previously watched PCBA and can't find the bit where I thought I heard him refer to where he was taking up residence. Don't think I dreamt it but who knows. I will keep trying. lonniejockstrap
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10:35pm Thu 19 Apr 12

Prisoner Cell Block A says...

He's on QT now so maybe he'll mention it. Possibly Clayton?
Although don't be too adamant in your argument he is above reproach as regards 'iffy' dealings and less than welcome fund raising efforts, less than welcome to me anyway and dubious company. Then again, my feelings on politicians, heads of state, group leaders and associated cohorts of all nations are akin to those I have for dog mess.

Anyway, sport pages here so 'to sport'
He's on QT now so maybe he'll mention it. Possibly Clayton? Although don't be too adamant in your argument he is above reproach as regards 'iffy' dealings and less than welcome fund raising efforts, less than welcome to me anyway and dubious company. Then again, my feelings on politicians, heads of state, group leaders and associated cohorts of all nations are akin to those I have for dog mess. Anyway, sport pages here so 'to sport' Prisoner Cell Block A
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11:50pm Thu 19 Apr 12

lonniejockstrap says...

Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:
He's on QT now so maybe he'll mention it. Possibly Clayton?
Although don't be too adamant in your argument he is above reproach as regards 'iffy' dealings and less than welcome fund raising efforts, less than welcome to me anyway and dubious company. Then again, my feelings on politicians, heads of state, group leaders and associated cohorts of all nations are akin to those I have for dog mess.

Anyway, sport pages here so 'to sport'
Don't get me wrong, I don't agree with everything GG says and he has been less than perfect (it appears) relating to certain issues. However, if the right wing press, British and American secret services and the Murdoc media network can't find enough dirt to sink him he can't be that bad can he. I bet there wouldn't be many MP's, businessmen, priests or Angels who could have come through as clean as George if they had gone through the sieve that Georgie boy has, is and will have been subjected to over his many years as a political opponent of the powers that be.
[quote][p][bold]Prisoner Cell Block A[/bold] wrote: He's on QT now so maybe he'll mention it. Possibly Clayton? Although don't be too adamant in your argument he is above reproach as regards 'iffy' dealings and less than welcome fund raising efforts, less than welcome to me anyway and dubious company. Then again, my feelings on politicians, heads of state, group leaders and associated cohorts of all nations are akin to those I have for dog mess. Anyway, sport pages here so 'to sport'[/p][/quote]Don't get me wrong, I don't agree with everything GG says and he has been less than perfect (it appears) relating to certain issues. However, if the right wing press, British and American secret services and the Murdoc media network can't find enough dirt to sink him he can't be that bad can he. I bet there wouldn't be many MP's, businessmen, priests or Angels who could have come through as clean as George if they had gone through the sieve that Georgie boy has, is and will have been subjected to over his many years as a political opponent of the powers that be. lonniejockstrap
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12:06am Fri 20 Apr 12

Waynus1971 says...

lonniejockstrap wrote:
Waynus1971 wrote:
lonniejockstrap wrote:
Waynus1971 wrote:
lonniejockstrap wrote: Waynus, I have a feeling I will always struggle to understand what it is you are actually trying to communicate. You had an opportunity to watch for yourself GG's response to allegations but you 'had more important things to do'. Fair enough, but then you guessed at what you would learn from video. Sorry waynus, but you guessed wrong. You stick to guessing and repeating what you have heard from other people if that is what you prefer to base your opinions on. My point all along in this article has been about seeking out the facts and truth, not about whether or not GG is a great bloke and whether you like him or not. YOU, unfortunately, have got at least some of your 'facts' wrong about GG.
Yep, a typical 'Lonnie' response. Firstly, where was the apology for deliberately mis-reading my post? Instead of apologising, you make it out to be my fault that you mis-quoted me. At least be gracious enough to admit you were wrong. . Secondly, can I just bring you back a few steps. This debate between the two of us started because I said I didn't agree with what I had SEEN Galloway say (not heresay) on TV. You then responded by stating that it wasn't Galloway that supplied the money or arms used by Hussein. This debate was NEVER about the involvement of Bush, Blair etc. They are not the ones promising to bring Saudi money to Bradford. . I have never disputed what the respective Governments have done and their involvement in Hussein's 'war crimes'. My only issue was what I saw with my own two eyes (and reported at the time) and that was what I posted in my last message. . Where have I "second-guessed ' what the You-Tube video showed? I never did any such thing. I said I didn't watch it as I saw no benefit in doing so. I then responded to snippets of your post, such as "British and American Governments were selling him guns and gas" with " Yes our Governments and those of other nations (notably USA), were guilty of providing funds for the weaponry and also provided the weapons in some cases". And then you wrote, "I have a rather better record of opposition to Saddam Hussein than you do and...." to which I responded with "Okay, Galloway has said that he was one of Hussein's biggest opponents....". Please confirm where I have 'guessed at what I would learn from the video'????? . Finally, you end your post above by saying 'YOU, unfortunately have got at least some of your facts wrong about GG'. What 'facts' (plural) are they? I saw Galloway on TV say what I claimed previously to be a fact. I can't get you to believe this and I won't even try because I know that without the evidence, your stubborness will prevent you changing your view. . I still believe (as I said in my last post) that you are just trying to pick an argument, which is very naughty of you and you are better than that....!
You 'guessed' because you said: 'What would I have learned from this? Yes, our Governments and those of other Nations (notably USA) were guilty of providing funds for the weaponry and also provided the weapons in some cases'. Well, you are wrong because the Vid was not about that! You don't seem that busy to me waynus going by the amount of time you have spent posting incorrect claims on here about GG. Could you explain this 'dirty money' claim. Why is his money 'dirty money'? How are you suggesting he has earned his money? Lets here exactly what you mean then we know what picture you are trying to paint. You claim: 'Galloway put this man on a pedestal'. You also claim: 'Galloway ONLY won his seat because of his views against the war on Iraq and his own opinion of Hussein. Had he been contesting the seat in a non-Asian community, he wouldn't have got anywhere near the number of votes that he did. Had he been running for the seat in Bradford South (for example), we wouldn't be having this debate'. How do you know this? Did you listen to his pre-election speech about the Chief Executive at Bradford Council NOT living in Bradford, the Vice Chancellor of The University of Bradford NOT living in Bradford and heads of other major publicly funded bodies in Bradford that lived outside of Bradford. His point was about how to have those people who are accountable for the mess that Bradford is in to be made to live in Bradford and suffer the consequences of their actions like the rest of us have to. So you are wrong about him only being interested in Iraq. Your problem is you are not interested in seeking the truth or the facts. They are out there but you are 'too busy' to go find them. Yes I am 'trying to pick an argument' I am arguing that you are deliberately ignoring the 'other side of the argument' that GG has made. I am arguing that you are deliberately choosing to stick to an opinion regardless of other evidence that was available to you but which you chose to ignore NOT because YOU 'were too busy' but because you don't want to have your prejudices changed.
Oh Lonnie. You keep going fella, just like you do best. You say I'm not open to other views, but that is EXACTLY what you are doing. I provided a rough quote of what Galloway had publicly said on TV and YOU refused to acknowledge this.
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I have never disputed that Galloway was against our Governments trading with Hussein or that he stood outside to protest. I have never even disputed that he has Bradford at the forefront of everything he will bring, not that he has been elected.
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However, there was a Poll, in Bradford city centre, completed just weeks before the election and Galloway did NOT come out in any glory. That is how I made my observation on why GG only got the votes in that area, based on his views on Blair & Bush invading 'Iraq'. Admittedly, I shouldn't have done this, but there must be a reason why a street poll in the centre of Bradford showed GG not to be in the running, but when it came to the votes, he coasted home with a high percentage.
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I'm going to disregard your comment about 'dirty money' as I have already explained this to you once. I refuse to go over the same, old ground again.!
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Finally, NO, I did not second guess the content of the video. My first sentence was asking what I would have gained from doing so. This was for you to answer. My second sentence was unrelated and was MY OWN view of what you had suggested previously. I was certainly not second guessing what the video showed. I have absolutely no interest in it.
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From an article about GG suggesting he knew of some people who may be persuaded to invest in Bradford City, YOU helped convert this into a debate about the wrongs of our elected Governments and their lies. And as you said yourself, "What we ALL need to stop doing is believing what politicians say without question". Please remind me again, is Galloway a politician and thus should we be believing what he said at his 'pre-election speech'??????
No! 'not without question'. But as you say above, you 'have absolutely no interest in it' (what GG actually had to say that showed his accusers of being very underhand and lacking in a belief in a search for the 'truth'.

I don't accept you have explained why you think GG's money is 'dirty'. I don't think you have any justification for saying this and are now deciding to take the easy way out of having to try justify it. It would be more mature to just withdraw the accusation.
Lonnie, you are now just becoming a nuisance. I won't buy into your nit-picking any longer. We BOTH know I did attempt to clarify what I meant by 'dirty money' right at the beginning of our debate.
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You have spent all evening trying to find out where GG is living. Try searching back a few posts and you will clearly see my explanation and if you can't be bothered doing so, then I just give up....!
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P.s. I notice that when Galloway was asked by Aaronovitch (on tonight's QuestionTime) "Have I ever gone up to a dictator and said 'you are a wonderful man?' and 'Have I ever spoken about the indefatigability of a mass murderer?' Galloway never attempted to deny that he had himself?????
[quote][p][bold]lonniejockstrap[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Waynus1971[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lonniejockstrap[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Waynus1971[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lonniejockstrap[/bold] wrote: Waynus, I have a feeling I will always struggle to understand what it is you are actually trying to communicate. You had an opportunity to watch for yourself GG's response to allegations but you 'had more important things to do'. Fair enough, but then you guessed at what you would learn from video. Sorry waynus, but you guessed wrong. You stick to guessing and repeating what you have heard from other people if that is what you prefer to base your opinions on. My point all along in this article has been about seeking out the facts and truth, not about whether or not GG is a great bloke and whether you like him or not. YOU, unfortunately, have got at least some of your 'facts' wrong about GG.[/p][/quote]Yep, a typical 'Lonnie' response. Firstly, where was the apology for deliberately mis-reading my post? Instead of apologising, you make it out to be my fault that you mis-quoted me. At least be gracious enough to admit you were wrong. . Secondly, can I just bring you back a few steps. This debate between the two of us started because I said I didn't agree with what I had SEEN Galloway say (not heresay) on TV. You then responded by stating that it wasn't Galloway that supplied the money or arms used by Hussein. This debate was NEVER about the involvement of Bush, Blair etc. They are not the ones promising to bring Saudi money to Bradford. . I have never disputed what the respective Governments have done and their involvement in Hussein's 'war crimes'. My only issue was what I saw with my own two eyes (and reported at the time) and that was what I posted in my last message. . Where have I "second-guessed ' what the You-Tube video showed? I never did any such thing. I said I didn't watch it as I saw no benefit in doing so. I then responded to snippets of your post, such as "British and American Governments were selling him guns and gas" with " Yes our Governments and those of other nations (notably USA), were guilty of providing funds for the weaponry and also provided the weapons in some cases". And then you wrote, "I have a rather better record of opposition to Saddam Hussein than you do and...." to which I responded with "Okay, Galloway has said that he was one of Hussein's biggest opponents....". Please confirm where I have 'guessed at what I would learn from the video'????? . Finally, you end your post above by saying 'YOU, unfortunately have got at least some of your facts wrong about GG'. What 'facts' (plural) are they? I saw Galloway on TV say what I claimed previously to be a fact. I can't get you to believe this and I won't even try because I know that without the evidence, your stubborness will prevent you changing your view. . I still believe (as I said in my last post) that you are just trying to pick an argument, which is very naughty of you and you are better than that....![/p][/quote]You 'guessed' because you said: 'What would I have learned from this? Yes, our Governments and those of other Nations (notably USA) were guilty of providing funds for the weaponry and also provided the weapons in some cases'. Well, you are wrong because the Vid was not about that! You don't seem that busy to me waynus going by the amount of time you have spent posting incorrect claims on here about GG. Could you explain this 'dirty money' claim. Why is his money 'dirty money'? How are you suggesting he has earned his money? Lets here exactly what you mean then we know what picture you are trying to paint. You claim: 'Galloway put this man on a pedestal'. You also claim: 'Galloway ONLY won his seat because of his views against the war on Iraq and his own opinion of Hussein. Had he been contesting the seat in a non-Asian community, he wouldn't have got anywhere near the number of votes that he did. Had he been running for the seat in Bradford South (for example), we wouldn't be having this debate'. How do you know this? Did you listen to his pre-election speech about the Chief Executive at Bradford Council NOT living in Bradford, the Vice Chancellor of The University of Bradford NOT living in Bradford and heads of other major publicly funded bodies in Bradford that lived outside of Bradford. His point was about how to have those people who are accountable for the mess that Bradford is in to be made to live in Bradford and suffer the consequences of their actions like the rest of us have to. So you are wrong about him only being interested in Iraq. Your problem is you are not interested in seeking the truth or the facts. They are out there but you are 'too busy' to go find them. Yes I am 'trying to pick an argument' I am arguing that you are deliberately ignoring the 'other side of the argument' that GG has made. I am arguing that you are deliberately choosing to stick to an opinion regardless of other evidence that was available to you but which you chose to ignore NOT because YOU 'were too busy' but because you don't want to have your prejudices changed.[/p][/quote]Oh Lonnie. You keep going fella, just like you do best. You say I'm not open to other views, but that is EXACTLY what you are doing. I provided a rough quote of what Galloway had publicly said on TV and YOU refused to acknowledge this. . I have never disputed that Galloway was against our Governments trading with Hussein or that he stood outside to protest. I have never even disputed that he has Bradford at the forefront of everything he will bring, not that he has been elected. . However, there was a Poll, in Bradford city centre, completed just weeks before the election and Galloway did NOT come out in any glory. That is how I made my observation on why GG only got the votes in that area, based on his views on Blair & Bush invading 'Iraq'. Admittedly, I shouldn't have done this, but there must be a reason why a street poll in the centre of Bradford showed GG not to be in the running, but when it came to the votes, he coasted home with a high percentage. . I'm going to disregard your comment about 'dirty money' as I have already explained this to you once. I refuse to go over the same, old ground again.! . Finally, NO, I did not second guess the content of the video. My first sentence was asking what I would have gained from doing so. This was for you to answer. My second sentence was unrelated and was MY OWN view of what you had suggested previously. I was certainly not second guessing what the video showed. I have absolutely no interest in it. . From an article about GG suggesting he knew of some people who may be persuaded to invest in Bradford City, YOU helped convert this into a debate about the wrongs of our elected Governments and their lies. And as you said yourself, "What we ALL need to stop doing is believing what politicians say without question". Please remind me again, is Galloway a politician and thus should we be believing what he said at his 'pre-election speech'??????[/p][/quote]No! 'not without question'. But as you say above, you 'have absolutely no interest in it' (what GG actually had to say that showed his accusers of being very underhand and lacking in a belief in a search for the 'truth'. I don't accept you have explained why you think GG's money is 'dirty'. I don't think you have any justification for saying this and are now deciding to take the easy way out of having to try justify it. It would be more mature to just withdraw the accusation.[/p][/quote]Lonnie, you are now just becoming a nuisance. I won't buy into your nit-picking any longer. We BOTH know I did attempt to clarify what I meant by 'dirty money' right at the beginning of our debate. . You have spent all evening trying to find out where GG is living. Try searching back a few posts and you will clearly see my explanation and if you can't be bothered doing so, then I just give up....! . P.s. I notice that when Galloway was asked by Aaronovitch (on tonight's QuestionTime) "Have I ever gone up to a dictator and said 'you are a wonderful man?' and 'Have I ever spoken about the indefatigability of a mass murderer?' Galloway never attempted to deny that he had himself????? Waynus1971
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8:49am Fri 20 Apr 12

lonniejockstrap says...

I have read your posts and you HAVE NOT explained why GG's money is 'dirty'. Why not cut the cr@P and spell out clearly the reasons why GG's money should be classed as 'dirty'? Why are you so reluctant to do this? If you are so confident in believing his money is 'dirty' then tell we how it became 'dirty' I am open to any evidence you can provide to support your accusation. Is it a case that if YOU don't like somebody that their money automatically becomes 'dirty'? is that it?

Well, GG has explained many times on many occasions that he was not praising Hussain but praising the 'indefatigability' of the Iraqi people. However, when I first watched the clip of him saying this it also looked to me as if he was referring to Hussain.

At the end of the day, GG still has a far superior record of opposing Saddam than any other MP or Senator. What is your view of Tony Blair kissing Gadaffi and doing deals with him as a comparison to GG's 'words'? How about Rumsfeld going to see SH doing deals and selling weapons SH? -some of which were claimed to have been used against American and British Soldiers. There is a saying that 'actions speak louder than words'. If that's the case why is GG painted as the Devil incarnate with a pocket full of 'dirty money' but the actions of Blair, Rumsfeld and Bush are virtually non-existent in your moral judgement's? Your way of decision making appears to be based on a simplistic 'four legs good, two legs bad' process.
I have read your posts and you HAVE NOT explained why GG's money is 'dirty'. Why not cut the cr@P and spell out clearly the reasons why GG's money should be classed as 'dirty'? Why are you so reluctant to do this? If you are so confident in believing his money is 'dirty' then tell we how it became 'dirty' I am open to any evidence you can provide to support your accusation. Is it a case that if YOU don't like somebody that their money automatically becomes 'dirty'? is that it? Well, GG has explained many times on many occasions that he was not praising Hussain but praising the 'indefatigability' of the Iraqi people. However, when I first watched the clip of him saying this it also looked to me as if he was referring to Hussain. At the end of the day, GG still has a far superior record of opposing Saddam than any other MP or Senator. What is your view of Tony Blair kissing Gadaffi and doing deals with him as a comparison to GG's 'words'? How about Rumsfeld going to see SH doing deals and selling weapons SH? -some of which were claimed to have been used against American and British Soldiers. There is a saying that 'actions speak louder than words'. If that's the case why is GG painted as the Devil incarnate with a pocket full of 'dirty money' but the actions of Blair, Rumsfeld and Bush are virtually non-existent in your moral judgement's? Your way of decision making appears to be based on a simplistic 'four legs good, two legs bad' process. lonniejockstrap
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10:10am Fri 20 Apr 12

Prisoner Cell Block A says...

His performance and rhetoric on last night's QT were outstanding, still do not trust the man to deliver on local issues, I'm glad that he helped the Bulls to win four on the bounce though and EVEN City have managed to win!!! Well done George, got us all clamouring for you now.

He talks a good game but has failed a few times, when questioned to respond to 'missing' money, company kept, condemnation of the company he keeps just as he was asking for the 'illegal' war to be condemned last night.

I'm surprised we have actually been doing his job for him as the Bulls/CIty interest was a very obvious ploy to back up the strength of vote this time around with extra support from two not inconsiderable groups of sports fans, who if suckered in would swell his vote base.

As we are talking about this on sport pages let's bring in 'form', Mr Galloway has got form for promising much and delivering little, this will continue as long as he is allowed and supported by people who only care about foreign policy.
His performance and rhetoric on last night's QT were outstanding, still do not trust the man to deliver on local issues, I'm glad that he helped the Bulls to win four on the bounce though and EVEN City have managed to win!!! Well done George, got us all clamouring for you now. He talks a good game but has failed a few times, when questioned to respond to 'missing' money, company kept, condemnation of the company he keeps just as he was asking for the 'illegal' war to be condemned last night. I'm surprised we have actually been doing his job for him as the Bulls/CIty interest was a very obvious ploy to back up the strength of vote this time around with extra support from two not inconsiderable groups of sports fans, who if suckered in would swell his vote base. As we are talking about this on sport pages let's bring in 'form', Mr Galloway has got form for promising much and delivering little, this will continue as long as he is allowed and supported by people who only care about foreign policy. Prisoner Cell Block A
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4:49pm Fri 20 Apr 12

lonniejockstrap says...

Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:
His performance and rhetoric on last night's QT were outstanding, still do not trust the man to deliver on local issues, I'm glad that he helped the Bulls to win four on the bounce though and EVEN City have managed to win!!! Well done George, got us all clamouring for you now.

He talks a good game but has failed a few times, when questioned to respond to 'missing' money, company kept, condemnation of the company he keeps just as he was asking for the 'illegal' war to be condemned last night.

I'm surprised we have actually been doing his job for him as the Bulls/CIty interest was a very obvious ploy to back up the strength of vote this time around with extra support from two not inconsiderable groups of sports fans, who if suckered in would swell his vote base.

As we are talking about this on sport pages let's bring in 'form', Mr Galloway has got form for promising much and delivering little, this will continue as long as he is allowed and supported by people who only care about foreign policy.
But he's not talked only about foreign policy. Before, during and after the BFD West by-election he has raised issues about Westfield's hole, the Odeon (and raised the issue with the PM by letter), Councillors banned from performing as Directors operating as Councillors on Bfd Council, the unemployment level of the 18-25 year olds in the district, the survey that shows Bfd City Center shops are more likely to close than any other City Center shops in England and last but not least Bfd Education Authority ranking 95th out 105 local education Authorities. If we believe only what the News media want to present as being the truth then we will never get to the 'Truth'. Which brings us full circle I believe. And lets be asking ourselves this: what have those that have gone before GG became MP and those who are in place now delivered for Bradford? (I exclude David Ward -for the time being- because he hasn't been in the job 5 minutes)
[quote][p][bold]Prisoner Cell Block A[/bold] wrote: His performance and rhetoric on last night's QT were outstanding, still do not trust the man to deliver on local issues, I'm glad that he helped the Bulls to win four on the bounce though and EVEN City have managed to win!!! Well done George, got us all clamouring for you now. He talks a good game but has failed a few times, when questioned to respond to 'missing' money, company kept, condemnation of the company he keeps just as he was asking for the 'illegal' war to be condemned last night. I'm surprised we have actually been doing his job for him as the Bulls/CIty interest was a very obvious ploy to back up the strength of vote this time around with extra support from two not inconsiderable groups of sports fans, who if suckered in would swell his vote base. As we are talking about this on sport pages let's bring in 'form', Mr Galloway has got form for promising much and delivering little, this will continue as long as he is allowed and supported by people who only care about foreign policy.[/p][/quote]But he's not talked only about foreign policy. Before, during and after the BFD West by-election he has raised issues about Westfield's hole, the Odeon (and raised the issue with the PM by letter), Councillors banned from performing as Directors operating as Councillors on Bfd Council, the unemployment level of the 18-25 year olds in the district, the survey that shows Bfd City Center shops are more likely to close than any other City Center shops in England and last but not least Bfd Education Authority ranking 95th out 105 local education Authorities. If we believe only what the News media want to present as being the truth then we will never get to the 'Truth'. Which brings us full circle I believe. And lets be asking ourselves this: what have those that have gone before GG became MP and those who are in place now delivered for Bradford? (I exclude David Ward -for the time being- because he hasn't been in the job 5 minutes) lonniejockstrap
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5:42pm Fri 20 Apr 12

Prisoner Cell Block A says...

The councillor he has 'ousted' is totally in favour for him, one less labourite. The rest are soundbites and electioneering rhetoric, his interest is in foreign policy, he loses seats after election as he doesn't deliver on his pre-elective policies. That isn't news media or government propaganda, he doesn't retain the seats he wins as he, like every other politician says one thing to gain power and delivers another once the aim is achieved. The coalition are going to go the same way and will not be voted back in IMO for much the same reasons.

You are correct in saying that those who came before have done nothing either and even if GG has only stirred the hornets nest it may well have given Bradford some hope and a light shone on the outstnading issues that face the city and surrounding areas. I want benefit for all not a minority, who will be just enough to creep him over the line time and again.
The councillor he has 'ousted' is totally in favour for him, one less labourite. The rest are soundbites and electioneering rhetoric, his interest is in foreign policy, he loses seats after election as he doesn't deliver on his pre-elective policies. That isn't news media or government propaganda, he doesn't retain the seats he wins as he, like every other politician says one thing to gain power and delivers another once the aim is achieved. The coalition are going to go the same way and will not be voted back in IMO for much the same reasons. You are correct in saying that those who came before have done nothing either and even if GG has only stirred the hornets nest it may well have given Bradford some hope and a light shone on the outstnading issues that face the city and surrounding areas. I want benefit for all not a minority, who will be just enough to creep him over the line time and again. Prisoner Cell Block A
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12:36am Sat 21 Apr 12

lonniejockstrap says...

Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:
The councillor he has 'ousted' is totally in favour for him, one less labourite. The rest are soundbites and electioneering rhetoric, his interest is in foreign policy, he loses seats after election as he doesn't deliver on his pre-elective policies. That isn't news media or government propaganda, he doesn't retain the seats he wins as he, like every other politician says one thing to gain power and delivers another once the aim is achieved. The coalition are going to go the same way and will not be voted back in IMO for much the same reasons.

You are correct in saying that those who came before have done nothing either and even if GG has only stirred the hornets nest it may well have given Bradford some hope and a light shone on the outstnading issues that face the city and surrounding areas. I want benefit for all not a minority, who will be just enough to creep him over the line time and again.
Which 'seats' has he lost 'after election' I am not aware of him losing any. I am aware of him losing two constituencies due to them being abolished but not due to him being rejected by the electorate.
[quote][p][bold]Prisoner Cell Block A[/bold] wrote: The councillor he has 'ousted' is totally in favour for him, one less labourite. The rest are soundbites and electioneering rhetoric, his interest is in foreign policy, he loses seats after election as he doesn't deliver on his pre-elective policies. That isn't news media or government propaganda, he doesn't retain the seats he wins as he, like every other politician says one thing to gain power and delivers another once the aim is achieved. The coalition are going to go the same way and will not be voted back in IMO for much the same reasons. You are correct in saying that those who came before have done nothing either and even if GG has only stirred the hornets nest it may well have given Bradford some hope and a light shone on the outstnading issues that face the city and surrounding areas. I want benefit for all not a minority, who will be just enough to creep him over the line time and again.[/p][/quote]Which 'seats' has he lost 'after election' I am not aware of him losing any. I am aware of him losing two constituencies due to them being abolished but not due to him being rejected by the electorate. lonniejockstrap
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10:30am Sat 21 Apr 12

Waynus1971 says...

lonniejockstrap wrote:
I have read your posts and you HAVE NOT explained why GG's money is 'dirty'. Why not cut the cr@P and spell out clearly the reasons why GG's money should be classed as 'dirty'? Why are you so reluctant to do this? If you are so confident in believing his money is 'dirty' then tell we how it became 'dirty' I am open to any evidence you can provide to support your accusation. Is it a case that if YOU don't like somebody that their money automatically becomes 'dirty'? is that it?

Well, GG has explained many times on many occasions that he was not praising Hussain but praising the 'indefatigability' of the Iraqi people. However, when I first watched the clip of him saying this it also looked to me as if he was referring to Hussain.

At the end of the day, GG still has a far superior record of opposing Saddam than any other MP or Senator. What is your view of Tony Blair kissing Gadaffi and doing deals with him as a comparison to GG's 'words'? How about Rumsfeld going to see SH doing deals and selling weapons SH? -some of which were claimed to have been used against American and British Soldiers. There is a saying that 'actions speak louder than words'. If that's the case why is GG painted as the Devil incarnate with a pocket full of 'dirty money' but the actions of Blair, Rumsfeld and Bush are virtually non-existent in your moral judgement's? Your way of decision making appears to be based on a simplistic 'four legs good, two legs bad' process.
Oh Lonnie, you are still trying to make this out to be a political issue. Did I miss the story that Blair was hoping to get involved with Bradford City? Did I miss the article that claimed Donald Rumsfeld was trying to get some businessmen to buy our football club. This issue and my views has NOTHING to do with either of those men.
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However, to appease you further, I will clarify what I have already posted many times. Blair, Bush and all the other political leaders that pushed through the attacks on Iraq are guilty of all the charges Galloway has accused them of. I also agree that they should not be void of punishment for their part in the "war on Iraq". So, please clarify where I have EVER said that their actions are "virtually non-existent"???? Another very weak argument (for the sake of it Lonnie)...!
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As for my use of the phrase 'dirty money', I thought we had been through this. When I first used the phrase, you accused me of reading some story and told me to be careful of what I was believing. I responded that I knew nothing of the story and wasn't saying Galloway's money was "dirty" in the usually context. I then clarified that I didn't trust the vote and wouldn't want him buying my vote. So, in answer to your question on this, yes I have clarified my meaning and yes, if I don't trust somebody, I would refer to their money as being dirty (possibly a poor choice of words if this over-the-top debate is anything to go by)...!
[quote][p][bold]lonniejockstrap[/bold] wrote: I have read your posts and you HAVE NOT explained why GG's money is 'dirty'. Why not cut the cr@P and spell out clearly the reasons why GG's money should be classed as 'dirty'? Why are you so reluctant to do this? If you are so confident in believing his money is 'dirty' then tell we how it became 'dirty' I am open to any evidence you can provide to support your accusation. Is it a case that if YOU don't like somebody that their money automatically becomes 'dirty'? is that it? Well, GG has explained many times on many occasions that he was not praising Hussain but praising the 'indefatigability' of the Iraqi people. However, when I first watched the clip of him saying this it also looked to me as if he was referring to Hussain. At the end of the day, GG still has a far superior record of opposing Saddam than any other MP or Senator. What is your view of Tony Blair kissing Gadaffi and doing deals with him as a comparison to GG's 'words'? How about Rumsfeld going to see SH doing deals and selling weapons SH? -some of which were claimed to have been used against American and British Soldiers. There is a saying that 'actions speak louder than words'. If that's the case why is GG painted as the Devil incarnate with a pocket full of 'dirty money' but the actions of Blair, Rumsfeld and Bush are virtually non-existent in your moral judgement's? Your way of decision making appears to be based on a simplistic 'four legs good, two legs bad' process.[/p][/quote]Oh Lonnie, you are still trying to make this out to be a political issue. Did I miss the story that Blair was hoping to get involved with Bradford City? Did I miss the article that claimed Donald Rumsfeld was trying to get some businessmen to buy our football club. This issue and my views has NOTHING to do with either of those men. . However, to appease you further, I will clarify what I have already posted many times. Blair, Bush and all the other political leaders that pushed through the attacks on Iraq are guilty of all the charges Galloway has accused them of. I also agree that they should not be void of punishment for their part in the "war on Iraq". So, please clarify where I have EVER said that their actions are "virtually non-existent"???? Another very weak argument (for the sake of it Lonnie)...! . As for my use of the phrase 'dirty money', I thought we had been through this. When I first used the phrase, you accused me of reading some story and told me to be careful of what I was believing. I responded that I knew nothing of the story and wasn't saying Galloway's money was "dirty" in the usually context. I then clarified that I didn't trust the vote and wouldn't want him buying my vote. So, in answer to your question on this, yes I have clarified my meaning and yes, if I don't trust somebody, I would refer to their money as being dirty (possibly a poor choice of words if this over-the-top debate is anything to go by)...! Waynus1971
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10:32am Sat 21 Apr 12

Prisoner Cell Block A says...

I stand corrected, slightly, his party I should have said, he stood aside to let someone else contest the seat and they lost the seat back to labour, after once again electioneering mainly on foreign policy which was how the seat was gained in 2005 o begin with.
It is short-termist, shock and awe(may as well reclaim this phrase) vote winning campaigning and the main party interest. Other issues become more and more important to an electorate over an encumbents time in office and a second campaign should be fought on those issuers when the time is right. This anti-war campaign could die tomorrow if a cease-fire were to ever occur(not likely due to the greed of the west and the 'base' that is Afghanistan) and if that were to happen the RESPECT party could end with it.

I enjoyed watching him take the joint co-alition party chair to task on QT but have to admit to a growing warmth towards Tim Fallon.

As I hope I have made clear, I don't like politicians, power brokers, war mongers, heads of state but also I don't like CEOs, office managers, team leaders or any jumped up officianado. I am an old punk, with anarchic thoughts and attitude but unable to fully fulfil due to having a family to raise and support. Anarchy doesn't bring home the bacon though and so towing the line with simmering resentment has been my yoke for 25 years.

Once again, whilst stating I'm not keen on GG himself I am appreciating his form of anarchy in that he is a constant wasp in the main parties' ears and is holding up the dirty washing they don't want us seeing. It is also great fun watching them squirm and then fall as their personal greeds are exposed and their near illegal trough rummage is shown up for what it is.

I fully expect him to drop his Bradford seat next time around by revisiting the last lost election with the same failed tactic, moving aside to let a lesser party member have a bash and thus losing the seat again as the party politics are not yet strong enough.
I stand corrected, slightly, his party I should have said, he stood aside to let someone else contest the seat and they lost the seat back to labour, after once again electioneering mainly on foreign policy which was how the seat was gained in 2005 o begin with. It is short-termist, shock and awe(may as well reclaim this phrase) vote winning campaigning and the main party interest. Other issues become more and more important to an electorate over an encumbents time in office and a second campaign should be fought on those issuers when the time is right. This anti-war campaign could die tomorrow if a cease-fire were to ever occur(not likely due to the greed of the west and the 'base' that is Afghanistan) and if that were to happen the RESPECT party could end with it. I enjoyed watching him take the joint co-alition party chair to task on QT but have to admit to a growing warmth towards Tim Fallon. As I hope I have made clear, I don't like politicians, power brokers, war mongers, heads of state but also I don't like CEOs, office managers, team leaders or any jumped up officianado. I am an old punk, with anarchic thoughts and attitude but unable to fully fulfil due to having a family to raise and support. Anarchy doesn't bring home the bacon though and so towing the line with simmering resentment has been my yoke for 25 years. Once again, whilst stating I'm not keen on GG himself I am appreciating his form of anarchy in that he is a constant wasp in the main parties' ears and is holding up the dirty washing they don't want us seeing. It is also great fun watching them squirm and then fall as their personal greeds are exposed and their near illegal trough rummage is shown up for what it is. I fully expect him to drop his Bradford seat next time around by revisiting the last lost election with the same failed tactic, moving aside to let a lesser party member have a bash and thus losing the seat again as the party politics are not yet strong enough. Prisoner Cell Block A
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1:14pm Sat 21 Apr 12

lonniejockstrap says...

Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:
I stand corrected, slightly, his party I should have said, he stood aside to let someone else contest the seat and they lost the seat back to labour, after once again electioneering mainly on foreign policy which was how the seat was gained in 2005 o begin with.
It is short-termist, shock and awe(may as well reclaim this phrase) vote winning campaigning and the main party interest. Other issues become more and more important to an electorate over an encumbents time in office and a second campaign should be fought on those issuers when the time is right. This anti-war campaign could die tomorrow if a cease-fire were to ever occur(not likely due to the greed of the west and the 'base' that is Afghanistan) and if that were to happen the RESPECT party could end with it.

I enjoyed watching him take the joint co-alition party chair to task on QT but have to admit to a growing warmth towards Tim Fallon.

As I hope I have made clear, I don't like politicians, power brokers, war mongers, heads of state but also I don't like CEOs, office managers, team leaders or any jumped up officianado. I am an old punk, with anarchic thoughts and attitude but unable to fully fulfil due to having a family to raise and support. Anarchy doesn't bring home the bacon though and so towing the line with simmering resentment has been my yoke for 25 years.

Once again, whilst stating I'm not keen on GG himself I am appreciating his form of anarchy in that he is a constant wasp in the main parties' ears and is holding up the dirty washing they don't want us seeing. It is also great fun watching them squirm and then fall as their personal greeds are exposed and their near illegal trough rummage is shown up for what it is.

I fully expect him to drop his Bradford seat next time around by revisiting the last lost election with the same failed tactic, moving aside to let a lesser party member have a bash and thus losing the seat again as the party politics are not yet strong enough.
Good response PCBA, thanks for that. And I agree with your opinion of Tim Fallon -who may well be MY MP in a couple of weeks time.

GG gas said that it is HIS aim to help produce a lot of 'Leaders' to represent 'RESPECT' and makes the point he 57 and not going to be around for ever, and that the Party should not rely on him as their one and only Leader -or words to that effect.

Just to finish. I personally don't have much belief in the power of MP's or Governments to be able to do most of the things that many of us would want anyway because whilst ever there are unelected powers that control the money supply, then those 'powers' will control the politicians AND Government's ability to distribute Wealth. It's not so much the unwillingness of the political reps not wanting to it's more that they will not be allowed to. That's my opinion anyway.
[quote][p][bold]Prisoner Cell Block A[/bold] wrote: I stand corrected, slightly, his party I should have said, he stood aside to let someone else contest the seat and they lost the seat back to labour, after once again electioneering mainly on foreign policy which was how the seat was gained in 2005 o begin with. It is short-termist, shock and awe(may as well reclaim this phrase) vote winning campaigning and the main party interest. Other issues become more and more important to an electorate over an encumbents time in office and a second campaign should be fought on those issuers when the time is right. This anti-war campaign could die tomorrow if a cease-fire were to ever occur(not likely due to the greed of the west and the 'base' that is Afghanistan) and if that were to happen the RESPECT party could end with it. I enjoyed watching him take the joint co-alition party chair to task on QT but have to admit to a growing warmth towards Tim Fallon. As I hope I have made clear, I don't like politicians, power brokers, war mongers, heads of state but also I don't like CEOs, office managers, team leaders or any jumped up officianado. I am an old punk, with anarchic thoughts and attitude but unable to fully fulfil due to having a family to raise and support. Anarchy doesn't bring home the bacon though and so towing the line with simmering resentment has been my yoke for 25 years. Once again, whilst stating I'm not keen on GG himself I am appreciating his form of anarchy in that he is a constant wasp in the main parties' ears and is holding up the dirty washing they don't want us seeing. It is also great fun watching them squirm and then fall as their personal greeds are exposed and their near illegal trough rummage is shown up for what it is. I fully expect him to drop his Bradford seat next time around by revisiting the last lost election with the same failed tactic, moving aside to let a lesser party member have a bash and thus losing the seat again as the party politics are not yet strong enough.[/p][/quote]Good response PCBA, thanks for that. And I agree with your opinion of Tim Fallon -who may well be MY MP in a couple of weeks time. GG gas said that it is HIS aim to help produce a lot of 'Leaders' to represent 'RESPECT' and makes the point he 57 and not going to be around for ever, and that the Party should not rely on him as their one and only Leader -or words to that effect. Just to finish. I personally don't have much belief in the power of MP's or Governments to be able to do most of the things that many of us would want anyway because whilst ever there are unelected powers that control the money supply, then those 'powers' will control the politicians AND Government's ability to distribute Wealth. It's not so much the unwillingness of the political reps not wanting to it's more that they will not be allowed to. That's my opinion anyway. lonniejockstrap
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1:19pm Sat 21 Apr 12

lonniejockstrap says...

Waynus1971 wrote:
lonniejockstrap wrote:
I have read your posts and you HAVE NOT explained why GG's money is 'dirty'. Why not cut the cr@P and spell out clearly the reasons why GG's money should be classed as 'dirty'? Why are you so reluctant to do this? If you are so confident in believing his money is 'dirty' then tell we how it became 'dirty' I am open to any evidence you can provide to support your accusation. Is it a case that if YOU don't like somebody that their money automatically becomes 'dirty'? is that it?

Well, GG has explained many times on many occasions that he was not praising Hussain but praising the 'indefatigability' of the Iraqi people. However, when I first watched the clip of him saying this it also looked to me as if he was referring to Hussain.

At the end of the day, GG still has a far superior record of opposing Saddam than any other MP or Senator. What is your view of Tony Blair kissing Gadaffi and doing deals with him as a comparison to GG's 'words'? How about Rumsfeld going to see SH doing deals and selling weapons SH? -some of which were claimed to have been used against American and British Soldiers. There is a saying that 'actions speak louder than words'. If that's the case why is GG painted as the Devil incarnate with a pocket full of 'dirty money' but the actions of Blair, Rumsfeld and Bush are virtually non-existent in your moral judgement's? Your way of decision making appears to be based on a simplistic 'four legs good, two legs bad' process.
Oh Lonnie, you are still trying to make this out to be a political issue. Did I miss the story that Blair was hoping to get involved with Bradford City? Did I miss the article that claimed Donald Rumsfeld was trying to get some businessmen to buy our football club. This issue and my views has NOTHING to do with either of those men.
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However, to appease you further, I will clarify what I have already posted many times. Blair, Bush and all the other political leaders that pushed through the attacks on Iraq are guilty of all the charges Galloway has accused them of. I also agree that they should not be void of punishment for their part in the "war on Iraq". So, please clarify where I have EVER said that their actions are "virtually non-existent"???? Another very weak argument (for the sake of it Lonnie)...!
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As for my use of the phrase 'dirty money', I thought we had been through this. When I first used the phrase, you accused me of reading some story and told me to be careful of what I was believing. I responded that I knew nothing of the story and wasn't saying Galloway's money was "dirty" in the usually context. I then clarified that I didn't trust the vote and wouldn't want him buying my vote. So, in answer to your question on this, yes I have clarified my meaning and yes, if I don't trust somebody, I would refer to their money as being dirty (possibly a poor choice of words if this over-the-top debate is anything to go by)...!
So you admit your 'dirty money' was wrong. That's fine, that's all I wanted from you or evidence to support the claim. I was merely seeking the facts behind your 'poor choice of words'.
[quote][p][bold]Waynus1971[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lonniejockstrap[/bold] wrote: I have read your posts and you HAVE NOT explained why GG's money is 'dirty'. Why not cut the cr@P and spell out clearly the reasons why GG's money should be classed as 'dirty'? Why are you so reluctant to do this? If you are so confident in believing his money is 'dirty' then tell we how it became 'dirty' I am open to any evidence you can provide to support your accusation. Is it a case that if YOU don't like somebody that their money automatically becomes 'dirty'? is that it? Well, GG has explained many times on many occasions that he was not praising Hussain but praising the 'indefatigability' of the Iraqi people. However, when I first watched the clip of him saying this it also looked to me as if he was referring to Hussain. At the end of the day, GG still has a far superior record of opposing Saddam than any other MP or Senator. What is your view of Tony Blair kissing Gadaffi and doing deals with him as a comparison to GG's 'words'? How about Rumsfeld going to see SH doing deals and selling weapons SH? -some of which were claimed to have been used against American and British Soldiers. There is a saying that 'actions speak louder than words'. If that's the case why is GG painted as the Devil incarnate with a pocket full of 'dirty money' but the actions of Blair, Rumsfeld and Bush are virtually non-existent in your moral judgement's? Your way of decision making appears to be based on a simplistic 'four legs good, two legs bad' process.[/p][/quote]Oh Lonnie, you are still trying to make this out to be a political issue. Did I miss the story that Blair was hoping to get involved with Bradford City? Did I miss the article that claimed Donald Rumsfeld was trying to get some businessmen to buy our football club. This issue and my views has NOTHING to do with either of those men. . However, to appease you further, I will clarify what I have already posted many times. Blair, Bush and all the other political leaders that pushed through the attacks on Iraq are guilty of all the charges Galloway has accused them of. I also agree that they should not be void of punishment for their part in the "war on Iraq". So, please clarify where I have EVER said that their actions are "virtually non-existent"???? Another very weak argument (for the sake of it Lonnie)...! . As for my use of the phrase 'dirty money', I thought we had been through this. When I first used the phrase, you accused me of reading some story and told me to be careful of what I was believing. I responded that I knew nothing of the story and wasn't saying Galloway's money was "dirty" in the usually context. I then clarified that I didn't trust the vote and wouldn't want him buying my vote. So, in answer to your question on this, yes I have clarified my meaning and yes, if I don't trust somebody, I would refer to their money as being dirty (possibly a poor choice of words if this over-the-top debate is anything to go by)...![/p][/quote]So you admit your 'dirty money' was wrong. That's fine, that's all I wanted from you or evidence to support the claim. I was merely seeking the facts behind your 'poor choice of words'. lonniejockstrap
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lonniejockstrap wrote:
Waynus1971 wrote:
lonniejockstrap wrote:
I have read your posts and you HAVE NOT explained why GG's money is 'dirty'. Why not cut the cr@P and spell out clearly the reasons why GG's money should be classed as 'dirty'? Why are you so reluctant to do this? If you are so confident in believing his money is 'dirty' then tell we how it became 'dirty' I am open to any evidence you can provide to support your accusation. Is it a case that if YOU don't like somebody that their money automatically becomes 'dirty'? is that it?

Well, GG has explained many times on many occasions that he was not praising Hussain but praising the 'indefatigability' of the Iraqi people. However, when I first watched the clip of him saying this it also looked to me as if he was referring to Hussain.

At the end of the day, GG still has a far superior record of opposing Saddam than any other MP or Senator. What is your view of Tony Blair kissing Gadaffi and doing deals with him as a comparison to GG's 'words'? How about Rumsfeld going to see SH doing deals and selling weapons SH? -some of which were claimed to have been used against American and British Soldiers. There is a saying that 'actions speak louder than words'. If that's the case why is GG painted as the Devil incarnate with a pocket full of 'dirty money' but the actions of Blair, Rumsfeld and Bush are virtually non-existent in your moral judgement's? Your way of decision making appears to be based on a simplistic 'four legs good, two legs bad' process.
Oh Lonnie, you are still trying to make this out to be a political issue. Did I miss the story that Blair was hoping to get involved with Bradford City? Did I miss the article that claimed Donald Rumsfeld was trying to get some businessmen to buy our football club. This issue and my views has NOTHING to do with either of those men.
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However, to appease you further, I will clarify what I have already posted many times. Blair, Bush and all the other political leaders that pushed through the attacks on Iraq are guilty of all the charges Galloway has accused them of. I also agree that they should not be void of punishment for their part in the "war on Iraq". So, please clarify where I have EVER said that their actions are "virtually non-existent"???? Another very weak argument (for the sake of it Lonnie)...!
.
As for my use of the phrase 'dirty money', I thought we had been through this. When I first used the phrase, you accused me of reading some story and told me to be careful of what I was believing. I responded that I knew nothing of the story and wasn't saying Galloway's money was "dirty" in the usually context. I then clarified that I didn't trust the vote and wouldn't want him buying my vote. So, in answer to your question on this, yes I have clarified my meaning and yes, if I don't trust somebody, I would refer to their money as being dirty (possibly a poor choice of words if this over-the-top debate is anything to go by)...!
So you admit your 'dirty money' was wrong. That's fine, that's all I wanted from you or evidence to support the claim. I was merely seeking the facts behind your 'poor choice of words'.
Which you got from me the first time you asked me to clarify!!
[quote][p][bold]lonniejockstrap[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Waynus1971[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lonniejockstrap[/bold] wrote: I have read your posts and you HAVE NOT explained why GG's money is 'dirty'. Why not cut the cr@P and spell out clearly the reasons why GG's money should be classed as 'dirty'? Why are you so reluctant to do this? If you are so confident in believing his money is 'dirty' then tell we how it became 'dirty' I am open to any evidence you can provide to support your accusation. Is it a case that if YOU don't like somebody that their money automatically becomes 'dirty'? is that it? Well, GG has explained many times on many occasions that he was not praising Hussain but praising the 'indefatigability' of the Iraqi people. However, when I first watched the clip of him saying this it also looked to me as if he was referring to Hussain. At the end of the day, GG still has a far superior record of opposing Saddam than any other MP or Senator. What is your view of Tony Blair kissing Gadaffi and doing deals with him as a comparison to GG's 'words'? How about Rumsfeld going to see SH doing deals and selling weapons SH? -some of which were claimed to have been used against American and British Soldiers. There is a saying that 'actions speak louder than words'. If that's the case why is GG painted as the Devil incarnate with a pocket full of 'dirty money' but the actions of Blair, Rumsfeld and Bush are virtually non-existent in your moral judgement's? Your way of decision making appears to be based on a simplistic 'four legs good, two legs bad' process.[/p][/quote]Oh Lonnie, you are still trying to make this out to be a political issue. Did I miss the story that Blair was hoping to get involved with Bradford City? Did I miss the article that claimed Donald Rumsfeld was trying to get some businessmen to buy our football club. This issue and my views has NOTHING to do with either of those men. . However, to appease you further, I will clarify what I have already posted many times. Blair, Bush and all the other political leaders that pushed through the attacks on Iraq are guilty of all the charges Galloway has accused them of. I also agree that they should not be void of punishment for their part in the "war on Iraq". So, please clarify where I have EVER said that their actions are "virtually non-existent"???? Another very weak argument (for the sake of it Lonnie)...! . As for my use of the phrase 'dirty money', I thought we had been through this. When I first used the phrase, you accused me of reading some story and told me to be careful of what I was believing. I responded that I knew nothing of the story and wasn't saying Galloway's money was "dirty" in the usually context. I then clarified that I didn't trust the vote and wouldn't want him buying my vote. So, in answer to your question on this, yes I have clarified my meaning and yes, if I don't trust somebody, I would refer to their money as being dirty (possibly a poor choice of words if this over-the-top debate is anything to go by)...![/p][/quote]So you admit your 'dirty money' was wrong. That's fine, that's all I wanted from you or evidence to support the claim. I was merely seeking the facts behind your 'poor choice of words'.[/p][/quote]Which you got from me the first time you asked me to clarify!! Waynus1971
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