I got it wrong, admits Bradford City boss Phil Parkinson

Bradford Telegraph and Argus: Jermaine Grandison punches the air in delight after scoring the only goal of the match, as Guy Branston ponders what went wrong Jermaine Grandison punches the air in delight after scoring the only goal of the match, as Guy Branston ponders what went wrong

Phil Parkinson admitted he named the wrong team after City again came back goalless and empty-handed from another away trip.

The 1-0 loss at Shrewsbury was their sixth in a row on the road, although other results at the bottom went well for them, with Hereford, Macclesfield and Barnet all losing.

With four games left, City remain seven points off the relegation zone with a much better goal difference on the sides in trouble.

But Parkinson felt he slipped up yesterday by keeping faith with the side that had beaten Southend three days earlier.

He said: “I have to look at myself and maybe I should have made a couple of changes.

“I wanted to play the same team just to get that bit of continuity with the threat from the bench, which I felt could have won us the game.

“I just felt I’d go with the side that had done so well on Friday. That was a terrific performance but I think it told on our legs.”

Jermaine Grandison’s first-half goal kept up Shrewsbury’s unbeaten home record.

Nahki Wells, who was subbed by Chris Dagnall at half-time, had chances to hit back and Craig Fagan missed a close-range volley when it looked easier to score.

Parkinson added: “Nahki didn’t pull the trigger quick enough. I thought he looked tired and I had to make some changes.

“Fages was in the six-yard box and you expect that to go in.

“The most disappointing thing was to concede a scrappy goal because we had chances to clear and didn’t do it. It’s frustrating because in the main we coped reasonably well.

“We worked our socks off in the first half but were slightly low in our intensity levels. But I thought we improved immensely in the second when the fresh legs helped us.”

Skipper Michael Flynn, who again started on the left of midfield, was also taken off at the break for Kyel Reid.

Parkinson said: “Reidy took a while to get his second wind but he’s had nearly two and a half weeks when he hasn’t trained.

“Flynny created two goals on Friday and did well. He looked a bit leggy for it but he’s a good player.”

City face the Football Association today to find out their punishment for their part in the Crawley brawl.

The club are not contesting the charge of failing to control their players but Jon McLaughlin, one of the three sent off, will join director of operations David Baldwin at the Wembley hearing to put their case across.

Parkinson said: “It will be nice to move on from that at last. It’s been hanging over us.”

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7:57am Tue 10 Apr 12

Citytilidie says...

Just this week parky, unbelievable!
Just this week parky, unbelievable! Citytilidie
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8:06am Tue 10 Apr 12

halifaxbantam says...

so playing a slow, tired, centre midfielder on the left wing would turn out to be a bad move? who knew?

he has been chopping and changing all season yet the first time he decides to keep the same team is when we play two games in four days? parkinson, you do not have a clue. can anyone say honestly that we don't deserve relegation this season? if we stay up it will only be because other teams are even worse.

i won't be renewing my season ticket for next season for the first time in over fifteen years. with parkinson in charge i have no interest in watching the boring negative football on offer, especially as i am skint!

the board must look at the state we are in and realise it is only down to parkinson, the squad on paper should be challenging for promotion and we are in the same position as when jacko left, who by the way brought a huge amount of optimism and a plan for the future of our club. parkinson has managed to destroy all the positive feeling we had at the start of the season. rant over
so playing a slow, tired, centre midfielder on the left wing would turn out to be a bad move? who knew? he has been chopping and changing all season yet the first time he decides to keep the same team is when we play two games in four days? parkinson, you do not have a clue. can anyone say honestly that we don't deserve relegation this season? if we stay up it will only be because other teams are even worse. i won't be renewing my season ticket for next season for the first time in over fifteen years. with parkinson in charge i have no interest in watching the boring negative football on offer, especially as i am skint! the board must look at the state we are in and realise it is only down to parkinson, the squad on paper should be challenging for promotion and we are in the same position as when jacko left, who by the way brought a huge amount of optimism and a plan for the future of our club. parkinson has managed to destroy all the positive feeling we had at the start of the season. rant over halifaxbantam
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8:11am Tue 10 Apr 12

prince35 says...

well I've asked Parky not to meddle with a winning team all season.
He kept the same team for the first time since September.
And at least he's been man enough to come out and criticize himself.
For this defeat.
Sometimes your damed if you do and damed if you don't.
well I've asked Parky not to meddle with a winning team all season. He kept the same team for the first time since September. And at least he's been man enough to come out and criticize himself. For this defeat. Sometimes your damed if you do and damed if you don't. prince35
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8:17am Tue 10 Apr 12

ALEXIMO.56. says...

halifaxbantam wrote:
so playing a slow, tired, centre midfielder on the left wing would turn out to be a bad move? who knew?

he has been chopping and changing all season yet the first time he decides to keep the same team is when we play two games in four days? parkinson, you do not have a clue. can anyone say honestly that we don't deserve relegation this season? if we stay up it will only be because other teams are even worse.

i won't be renewing my season ticket for next season for the first time in over fifteen years. with parkinson in charge i have no interest in watching the boring negative football on offer, especially as i am skint!

the board must look at the state we are in and realise it is only down to parkinson, the squad on paper should be challenging for promotion and we are in the same position as when jacko left, who by the way brought a huge amount of optimism and a plan for the future of our club. parkinson has managed to destroy all the positive feeling we had at the start of the season. rant over
One question, And i'm not having a go at you. Have you sent a letter or an e-mail to the two chairmen expressing your feelings? A lot of the regulars who come on here all said after the Sarfend win, Stick to that same line up for shrews parky. He did but it was only the one mistake by duke that let them score. We have to blame the players here for not creating and scoring the goals. Apart from that I agree with your post.
[quote][p][bold]halifaxbantam[/bold] wrote: so playing a slow, tired, centre midfielder on the left wing would turn out to be a bad move? who knew? he has been chopping and changing all season yet the first time he decides to keep the same team is when we play two games in four days? parkinson, you do not have a clue. can anyone say honestly that we don't deserve relegation this season? if we stay up it will only be because other teams are even worse. i won't be renewing my season ticket for next season for the first time in over fifteen years. with parkinson in charge i have no interest in watching the boring negative football on offer, especially as i am skint! the board must look at the state we are in and realise it is only down to parkinson, the squad on paper should be challenging for promotion and we are in the same position as when jacko left, who by the way brought a huge amount of optimism and a plan for the future of our club. parkinson has managed to destroy all the positive feeling we had at the start of the season. rant over[/p][/quote]One question, And i'm not having a go at you. Have you sent a letter or an e-mail to the two chairmen expressing your feelings? A lot of the regulars who come on here all said after the Sarfend win, Stick to that same line up for shrews parky. He did but it was only the one mistake by duke that let them score. We have to blame the players here for not creating and scoring the goals. Apart from that I agree with your post. ALEXIMO.56.
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8:25am Tue 10 Apr 12

prince35 says...

ALEXIMO.56. wrote:
halifaxbantam wrote:
so playing a slow, tired, centre midfielder on the left wing would turn out to be a bad move? who knew?

he has been chopping and changing all season yet the first time he decides to keep the same team is when we play two games in four days? parkinson, you do not have a clue. can anyone say honestly that we don't deserve relegation this season? if we stay up it will only be because other teams are even worse.

i won't be renewing my season ticket for next season for the first time in over fifteen years. with parkinson in charge i have no interest in watching the boring negative football on offer, especially as i am skint!

the board must look at the state we are in and realise it is only down to parkinson, the squad on paper should be challenging for promotion and we are in the same position as when jacko left, who by the way brought a huge amount of optimism and a plan for the future of our club. parkinson has managed to destroy all the positive feeling we had at the start of the season. rant over
One question, And i'm not having a go at you. Have you sent a letter or an e-mail to the two chairmen expressing your feelings? A lot of the regulars who come on here all said after the Sarfend win, Stick to that same line up for shrews parky. He did but it was only the one mistake by duke that let them score. We have to blame the players here for not creating and scoring the goals. Apart from that I agree with your post.
I have to agree with aleximo on certain players not taking clear cut chances to score.
I would expect a player of Fagens technical ability to score from the knock down from jimmy h 6 yards away from goal.
We haven't been disgraced at Shrews and we do seem to lose by the odd goal.
But to me with more attacking intent from the start of games I feel we would have won more games .
Were safe now and lge 2 status is secured for me.
But there's been massive mistakes from all who run the club and make decisions.
Now we need the board to come out and say sorry
[quote][p][bold]ALEXIMO.56.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]halifaxbantam[/bold] wrote: so playing a slow, tired, centre midfielder on the left wing would turn out to be a bad move? who knew? he has been chopping and changing all season yet the first time he decides to keep the same team is when we play two games in four days? parkinson, you do not have a clue. can anyone say honestly that we don't deserve relegation this season? if we stay up it will only be because other teams are even worse. i won't be renewing my season ticket for next season for the first time in over fifteen years. with parkinson in charge i have no interest in watching the boring negative football on offer, especially as i am skint! the board must look at the state we are in and realise it is only down to parkinson, the squad on paper should be challenging for promotion and we are in the same position as when jacko left, who by the way brought a huge amount of optimism and a plan for the future of our club. parkinson has managed to destroy all the positive feeling we had at the start of the season. rant over[/p][/quote]One question, And i'm not having a go at you. Have you sent a letter or an e-mail to the two chairmen expressing your feelings? A lot of the regulars who come on here all said after the Sarfend win, Stick to that same line up for shrews parky. He did but it was only the one mistake by duke that let them score. We have to blame the players here for not creating and scoring the goals. Apart from that I agree with your post.[/p][/quote]I have to agree with aleximo on certain players not taking clear cut chances to score. I would expect a player of Fagens technical ability to score from the knock down from jimmy h 6 yards away from goal. We haven't been disgraced at Shrews and we do seem to lose by the odd goal. But to me with more attacking intent from the start of games I feel we would have won more games . Were safe now and lge 2 status is secured for me. But there's been massive mistakes from all who run the club and make decisions. Now we need the board to come out and say sorry prince35
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8:44am Tue 10 Apr 12

Citytilidie says...

Until parkinsons outlook changes and we let teams worry about what we can do and attack from the off and not when we go behind then i cant see us going anywhere under him,
In my eyes if you have convincingley beaten a team at home by playing positive attacking football why then set up negatively to contain from the start,in not saying shrewsbury are mugs but weve shown especially against the better teams we look just as good,we start most games with our hands tied behind our backs try contain,concede then chase the game
To me it shows no belief in the players parkys brought in that they can win games clearly his set ups not winning games so why persist with it?
Frustrated and baffled supporter!
Until parkinsons outlook changes and we let teams worry about what we can do and attack from the off and not when we go behind then i cant see us going anywhere under him, In my eyes if you have convincingley beaten a team at home by playing positive attacking football why then set up negatively to contain from the start,in not saying shrewsbury are mugs but weve shown especially against the better teams we look just as good,we start most games with our hands tied behind our backs try contain,concede then chase the game To me it shows no belief in the players parkys brought in that they can win games clearly his set ups not winning games so why persist with it? Frustrated and baffled supporter! Citytilidie
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8:54am Tue 10 Apr 12

ALEXIMO.56. says...

On the subject of Fagan. Parky described him as a big player in the team. After the penalty he scored he did the shush sign and pointed to the fans as if to say that will shut you lot up. Then, yesterday he volleys over the bar from 4 yds.instead of just sidefooting it in the net. That goal could have given us a valuable point. I wonder what went through his mind after that miss?
On the subject of Fagan. Parky described him as a big player in the team. After the penalty he scored he did the shush sign and pointed to the fans as if to say that will shut you lot up. Then, yesterday he volleys over the bar from 4 yds.instead of just sidefooting it in the net. That goal could have given us a valuable point. I wonder what went through his mind after that miss? ALEXIMO.56.
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8:56am Tue 10 Apr 12

Nickloza says...

prince35 wrote:
well I've asked Parky not to meddle with a winning team all season.
He kept the same team for the first time since September.
And at least he's been man enough to come out and criticize himself.
For this defeat.
Sometimes your damed if you do and damed if you don't.
Bang on couldn't agree more
[quote][p][bold]prince35[/bold] wrote: well I've asked Parky not to meddle with a winning team all season. He kept the same team for the first time since September. And at least he's been man enough to come out and criticize himself. For this defeat. Sometimes your damed if you do and damed if you don't.[/p][/quote]Bang on couldn't agree more Nickloza
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9:10am Tue 10 Apr 12

Blackmeister says...

I suspect that Parky will get us to the end of the season and then will be 'removed' from his post. He has had the vote of confidence from the fat controller and with that and the total failure in season ticket sales that will follow he will have to go. Question is 'who next'?
I suspect that Parky will get us to the end of the season and then will be 'removed' from his post. He has had the vote of confidence from the fat controller and with that and the total failure in season ticket sales that will follow he will have to go. Question is 'who next'? Blackmeister
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9:13am Tue 10 Apr 12

Spenvalleyspartan says...

I'd give Parkinson till Christmas personally. Give him the summer and half of next season to get it right! If we're still huff and puffing around the relegation zone at Xmas then get shut! To me Parkinson and the board made 2 big mistakes in January. 1. Not signing Benson. (look at him go at Swindon now.Swindons form really took off after January!!) 2. Getting rid of Compton. Which really has only left us with 1 quality winger in Reid! Easier to defend against a team whose only real threat comes down 1 side rather than 2! To stop gaps have been poor! The problem you've got now is the last 3 months have been that bad that many like Halifax Bantam arn't gunna bother which means less in the fighting fund! I blame the board for that for letting those 2 players slip through our fingers!
I'd give Parkinson till Christmas personally. Give him the summer and half of next season to get it right! If we're still huff and puffing around the relegation zone at Xmas then get shut! To me Parkinson and the board made 2 big mistakes in January. 1. Not signing Benson. (look at him go at Swindon now.Swindons form really took off after January!!) 2. Getting rid of Compton. Which really has only left us with 1 quality winger in Reid! Easier to defend against a team whose only real threat comes down 1 side rather than 2! To stop gaps have been poor! The problem you've got now is the last 3 months have been that bad that many like Halifax Bantam arn't gunna bother which means less in the fighting fund! I blame the board for that for letting those 2 players slip through our fingers! Spenvalleyspartan
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9:15am Tue 10 Apr 12

total90 says...

Our downfall over the later part of this season has been down to this idea of attacking from the bench An attack that only ever has started in the second half. This gives the opposition defence nothing to worry about for the first 45 minutes and allows them to focus on attacking us relentlessly with out fear. We've got to attack from the field, starting in the first half, starting with your best player. If you feel that those players are tiring or not in the right frame of mind the fans would be right behind the manager in taking that player off. Mr. Parkinson seems to be hypersensitive regarding the physical and psychologicaal aspects of Reid, Wells and Syers and yet not be aware of other more senior players not having their best season, possibly demoralised at playing out of position, or being actually too ill to play. Reid has to start. For me , Syers has to start, he's a 90 minute worker, enables our attack to attack and that dosen't work he's got a goal in him. Hanson and wells we no it works. Wells wouldn't have been taken off if Reid had been on the pitch from the start sharing the work load from the first half. A man who is big enough to admit to his mistakes can also learn fron them. I hope so because we definately have a good squad. I just want our manager to have the confidence in the players, physically and psychologically and let them do what they are good at and play.
Our downfall over the later part of this season has been down to this idea of attacking from the bench An attack that only ever has started in the second half. This gives the opposition defence nothing to worry about for the first 45 minutes and allows them to focus on attacking us relentlessly with out fear. We've got to attack from the field, starting in the first half, starting with your best player. If you feel that those players are tiring or not in the right frame of mind the fans would be right behind the manager in taking that player off. Mr. Parkinson seems to be hypersensitive regarding the physical and psychologicaal aspects of Reid, Wells and Syers and yet not be aware of other more senior players not having their best season, possibly demoralised at playing out of position, or being actually too ill to play. Reid has to start. For me , Syers has to start, he's a 90 minute worker, enables our attack to attack and that dosen't work he's got a goal in him. Hanson and wells we no it works. Wells wouldn't have been taken off if Reid had been on the pitch from the start sharing the work load from the first half. A man who is big enough to admit to his mistakes can also learn fron them. I hope so because we definately have a good squad. I just want our manager to have the confidence in the players, physically and psychologically and let them do what they are good at and play. total90
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9:19am Tue 10 Apr 12

gspot01 says...

Nickloza wrote:
prince35 wrote: well I've asked Parky not to meddle with a winning team all season. He kept the same team for the first time since September. And at least he's been man enough to come out and criticize himself. For this defeat. Sometimes your damed if you do and damed if you don't.
Bang on couldn't agree more
I'm with you guys here.....if we won 4-0 some fans on here would have complianed it wasn't 5.
.
Dreading the pre-season because won't be as many silly posts on here to have my daily chuckle at.
[quote][p][bold]Nickloza[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]prince35[/bold] wrote: well I've asked Parky not to meddle with a winning team all season. He kept the same team for the first time since September. And at least he's been man enough to come out and criticize himself. For this defeat. Sometimes your damed if you do and damed if you don't.[/p][/quote]Bang on couldn't agree more[/p][/quote]I'm with you guys here.....if we won 4-0 some fans on here would have complianed it wasn't 5. . Dreading the pre-season because won't be as many silly posts on here to have my daily chuckle at. gspot01
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9:21am Tue 10 Apr 12

TheTruthSetter says...

What about the other weeks when you have got the team wrong? Care to admit about them or has someone from the board 'told' you certain players can or cannot play?
What about the other weeks when you have got the team wrong? Care to admit about them or has someone from the board 'told' you certain players can or cannot play? TheTruthSetter
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9:29am Tue 10 Apr 12

Thee Voice of Reason says...

Lets be honest, he didn't change the team and we lost to a team who haven't lost at home since 1st March 2011. There is nothing wrong with that in my eyes.

One thing I will say is that people have said Fagan had a shocker. Maybe the change yesterday should have been Wells to the right wing with Fagan coming off and Dagnall up front.

I would have taken 3 points from the last 2 games without a doubt so this weekend in my eyes has been a success.
Lets be honest, he didn't change the team and we lost to a team who haven't lost at home since 1st March 2011. There is nothing wrong with that in my eyes. One thing I will say is that people have said Fagan had a shocker. Maybe the change yesterday should have been Wells to the right wing with Fagan coming off and Dagnall up front. I would have taken 3 points from the last 2 games without a doubt so this weekend in my eyes has been a success. Thee Voice of Reason
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9:32am Tue 10 Apr 12

claretstripe says...

gspot01 wrote:
Nickloza wrote:
prince35 wrote: well I've asked Parky not to meddle with a winning team all season. He kept the same team for the first time since September. And at least he's been man enough to come out and criticize himself. For this defeat. Sometimes your damed if you do and damed if you don't.
Bang on couldn't agree more
I'm with you guys here.....if we won 4-0 some fans on here would have complianed it wasn't 5. . Dreading the pre-season because won't be as many silly posts on here to have my daily chuckle at.
I do agree with all of you regarding his team selection, I too have been wanting him to pick a regular side.

However, he did pick the sam side off the back of a decent win (all be it against a team ending a game without 11 men) but Flynn should never have started on the left wing ahead of Reid and this week that was thenoe change that was needed. It invited contant pressure on to us.

I was at the game and i also felf sorry for Wells, he looked quite sharp and bright to me, we played the game with no width and it looked like we had 4 centre midfielders at times!
[quote][p][bold]gspot01[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nickloza[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]prince35[/bold] wrote: well I've asked Parky not to meddle with a winning team all season. He kept the same team for the first time since September. And at least he's been man enough to come out and criticize himself. For this defeat. Sometimes your damed if you do and damed if you don't.[/p][/quote]Bang on couldn't agree more[/p][/quote]I'm with you guys here.....if we won 4-0 some fans on here would have complianed it wasn't 5. . Dreading the pre-season because won't be as many silly posts on here to have my daily chuckle at.[/p][/quote]I do agree with all of you regarding his team selection, I too have been wanting him to pick a regular side. However, he did pick the sam side off the back of a decent win (all be it against a team ending a game without 11 men) but Flynn should never have started on the left wing ahead of Reid and this week that was thenoe change that was needed. It invited contant pressure on to us. I was at the game and i also felf sorry for Wells, he looked quite sharp and bright to me, we played the game with no width and it looked like we had 4 centre midfielders at times! claretstripe
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9:42am Tue 10 Apr 12

Spenvalleyspartan says...

total90 wrote:
Our downfall over the later part of this season has been down to this idea of attacking from the bench An attack that only ever has started in the second half. This gives the opposition defence nothing to worry about for the first 45 minutes and allows them to focus on attacking us relentlessly with out fear. We've got to attack from the field, starting in the first half, starting with your best player. If you feel that those players are tiring or not in the right frame of mind the fans would be right behind the manager in taking that player off. Mr. Parkinson seems to be hypersensitive regarding the physical and psychologicaal aspects of Reid, Wells and Syers and yet not be aware of other more senior players not having their best season, possibly demoralised at playing out of position, or being actually too ill to play. Reid has to start. For me , Syers has to start, he's a 90 minute worker, enables our attack to attack and that dosen't work he's got a goal in him. Hanson and wells we no it works. Wells wouldn't have been taken off if Reid had been on the pitch from the start sharing the work load from the first half. A man who is big enough to admit to his mistakes can also learn fron them. I hope so because we definately have a good squad. I just want our manager to have the confidence in the players, physically and psychologically and let them do what they are good at and play.
Quality post.
[quote][p][bold]total90[/bold] wrote: Our downfall over the later part of this season has been down to this idea of attacking from the bench An attack that only ever has started in the second half. This gives the opposition defence nothing to worry about for the first 45 minutes and allows them to focus on attacking us relentlessly with out fear. We've got to attack from the field, starting in the first half, starting with your best player. If you feel that those players are tiring or not in the right frame of mind the fans would be right behind the manager in taking that player off. Mr. Parkinson seems to be hypersensitive regarding the physical and psychologicaal aspects of Reid, Wells and Syers and yet not be aware of other more senior players not having their best season, possibly demoralised at playing out of position, or being actually too ill to play. Reid has to start. For me , Syers has to start, he's a 90 minute worker, enables our attack to attack and that dosen't work he's got a goal in him. Hanson and wells we no it works. Wells wouldn't have been taken off if Reid had been on the pitch from the start sharing the work load from the first half. A man who is big enough to admit to his mistakes can also learn fron them. I hope so because we definately have a good squad. I just want our manager to have the confidence in the players, physically and psychologically and let them do what they are good at and play.[/p][/quote]Quality post. Spenvalleyspartan
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9:49am Tue 10 Apr 12

shaun from richmond says...

NICE ONE "Deadbeat"!! (I didnt think you had it in you!).
Its the old..... "you see, I did what you told me" But It Didnt Work!......routine!.

He isnt really blaming himself.....hes blaming all the people who tell him to keep a settled side!!.
NICE ONE "Deadbeat"......Now all you need to do is convince the players...OOPS!!
NICE ONE "Deadbeat"!! (I didnt think you had it in you!). Its the old..... "you see, I did what you told me" But It Didnt Work!......routine!. He isnt really blaming himself.....hes blaming all the people who tell him to keep a settled side!!. NICE ONE "Deadbeat"......Now all you need to do is convince the players...OOPS!! shaun from richmond
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10:12am Tue 10 Apr 12

fatbloke says...

gspot01 wrote:
Nickloza wrote:
prince35 wrote: well I've asked Parky not to meddle with a winning team all season. He kept the same team for the first time since September. And at least he's been man enough to come out and criticize himself. For this defeat. Sometimes your damed if you do and damed if you don't.
Bang on couldn't agree more
I'm with you guys here.....if we won 4-0 some fans on here would have complianed it wasn't 5.
.
Dreading the pre-season because won't be as many silly posts on here to have my daily chuckle at.
Would you have allowed their right back the freedom of doing what he wanted when he wanted for the entire first half?

Derm Tanner, Stix and Tim Thornton all saw this was happening yet Parkie let it happen till half time?

One of them commented (and was laughing) that their right back was pulling the strings haha wtf!!

But hey ho it was Shrewsbury so we have got to be happy with a 1-0 loss...
[quote][p][bold]gspot01[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nickloza[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]prince35[/bold] wrote: well I've asked Parky not to meddle with a winning team all season. He kept the same team for the first time since September. And at least he's been man enough to come out and criticize himself. For this defeat. Sometimes your damed if you do and damed if you don't.[/p][/quote]Bang on couldn't agree more[/p][/quote]I'm with you guys here.....if we won 4-0 some fans on here would have complianed it wasn't 5. . Dreading the pre-season because won't be as many silly posts on here to have my daily chuckle at.[/p][/quote]Would you have allowed their right back the freedom of doing what he wanted when he wanted for the entire first half? Derm Tanner, Stix and Tim Thornton all saw this was happening yet Parkie let it happen till half time? One of them commented (and was laughing) that their right back was pulling the strings haha wtf!! But hey ho it was Shrewsbury so we have got to be happy with a 1-0 loss... fatbloke
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10:17am Tue 10 Apr 12

fatbloke says...

“I just felt I’d go with the side that had done so well on Friday. That was a terrific performance but I think it told on our legs.”

Thought Parkies strong point was keeping players fresh??

If he can't do that, what can he do?
“I just felt I’d go with the side that had done so well on Friday. That was a terrific performance but I think it told on our legs.” Thought Parkies strong point was keeping players fresh?? If he can't do that, what can he do? fatbloke
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10:17am Tue 10 Apr 12

fatbloke says...

and getting us promoted next year, will not fit on a postage stamp!
and getting us promoted next year, will not fit on a postage stamp! fatbloke
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10:21am Tue 10 Apr 12

dazp says...

I got it wrong, admits Bradford City boss Phil Parkinson yes all fookin season
I got it wrong, admits Bradford City boss Phil Parkinson yes all fookin season dazp
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10:40am Tue 10 Apr 12

chin up says...

PP can't win. If we had still lost playing a different side to the one which beat Southend, he would still had got this negative reaction. Some of you should be ashamed to call yourself supporters. If it isn't the manager it's a certain player, seems Flynn is the target this week. In the past it was Hanson, Oliver, Kozluk, Duke, Branston, Bullock, Fagan, Reid, etc might as well put the entire squad in this list. Once PP has proved his doubters wrong again just as he did in December and February, just as he does with great wins against the likes of Southend, you will just pass the criticism onto someone else. Next it will be Parkin, or the physio. I mean it's ridiculous. Yes PP does some baffling things at times, but who is better qualified to make these decisions: PP who has the backing of Wenger who was touting him as his assistant manager, or us who only see the players for 90 mins. I mean people saying Reid should have been playing yesterday from the start. Well that's what everyone will have wanted including PP, but if he wasn't match fit which it appears he wasn't (and who can blame him for wanting to witness his child's birth, and really Reid will have even more respect for PP for his man management of the situation) but had he played the 90 and was woeful, the criticism PP would have received would just be as viscious as it has been for the last few weeks. Like I say he can't win some of you lot over.

For me when he arrived it was a breath of fresh air to having Taylor or Jackson. Taylor was very much about defending and hoped to grab a goal. Jacko, well I don't even know what his tactics were apart from leaking goals faster than a sinking ship. PP sees the value of keeping it tight in defence but also is aware that we do need to create chances. We do this every week. How many times do we hear from the commentators we deserved a draw or a victory, it's nearly every week. Every week we create enough chances to win games. Under Jacko and Taylor it was dire and we deservedly lost games. So apart from PP being on the pitch and scoring the 'guilt edge chances' himself what is he supposed to do apart from coach the players further in training. In the summer I expect him to make additions to the squad in attacking areas with the odd addition at the back. Seriously, some of you on here just have a personal vendetta against the club. As much as I didn't agree with Lawn saying the fans should have bought their season tickets by now, he had a point in saying the negative morons should stay away. I wouldn't be surprised if the negativity on here is by people with multiple usernames, as the overall atmosphere at VP has been good. But whoever it is and whoever you are should to be ashamed. We really do have some fickle supporters. (Waits for abuse.)
PP can't win. If we had still lost playing a different side to the one which beat Southend, he would still had got this negative reaction. Some of you should be ashamed to call yourself supporters. If it isn't the manager it's a certain player, seems Flynn is the target this week. In the past it was Hanson, Oliver, Kozluk, Duke, Branston, Bullock, Fagan, Reid, etc might as well put the entire squad in this list. Once PP has proved his doubters wrong again just as he did in December and February, just as he does with great wins against the likes of Southend, you will just pass the criticism onto someone else. Next it will be Parkin, or the physio. I mean it's ridiculous. Yes PP does some baffling things at times, but who is better qualified to make these decisions: PP who has the backing of Wenger who was touting him as his assistant manager, or us who only see the players for 90 mins. I mean people saying Reid should have been playing yesterday from the start. Well that's what everyone will have wanted including PP, but if he wasn't match fit which it appears he wasn't (and who can blame him for wanting to witness his child's birth, and really Reid will have even more respect for PP for his man management of the situation) but had he played the 90 and was woeful, the criticism PP would have received would just be as viscious as it has been for the last few weeks. Like I say he can't win some of you lot over. For me when he arrived it was a breath of fresh air to having Taylor or Jackson. Taylor was very much about defending and hoped to grab a goal. Jacko, well I don't even know what his tactics were apart from leaking goals faster than a sinking ship. PP sees the value of keeping it tight in defence but also is aware that we do need to create chances. We do this every week. How many times do we hear from the commentators we deserved a draw or a victory, it's nearly every week. Every week we create enough chances to win games. Under Jacko and Taylor it was dire and we deservedly lost games. So apart from PP being on the pitch and scoring the 'guilt edge chances' himself what is he supposed to do apart from coach the players further in training. In the summer I expect him to make additions to the squad in attacking areas with the odd addition at the back. Seriously, some of you on here just have a personal vendetta against the club. As much as I didn't agree with Lawn saying the fans should have bought their season tickets by now, he had a point in saying the negative morons should stay away. I wouldn't be surprised if the negativity on here is by people with multiple usernames, as the overall atmosphere at VP has been good. But whoever it is and whoever you are should to be ashamed. We really do have some fickle supporters. (Waits for abuse.) chin up
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10:52am Tue 10 Apr 12

irishjon says...

Morning all.

I am new to this but thought I would add a comment. I went to the game on Monday and the Bradford crowd were excellent as usual.
Nice ground at Shrewsbury, and I live in Mid wales so easy to get to.
I like others thought we were too narrow, can we get Omar back??
fair play to the Shrews, they played som attractive football - we seemed to pass it once then hoof up the field it goes.
Highlight of the day was Branstons 'nice gesture' to the shrews fans, quality almost wet myself.
Don't get em started with Fagan, dreadful passing, missing from 4 yards.
Give Parky at least till Xmas, this summer he clear out the dross (quite a few) and start afresh and then he can be judged.
Morning all. I am new to this but thought I would add a comment. I went to the game on Monday and the Bradford crowd were excellent as usual. Nice ground at Shrewsbury, and I live in Mid wales so easy to get to. I like others thought we were too narrow, can we get Omar back?? fair play to the Shrews, they played som attractive football - we seemed to pass it once then hoof up the field it goes. Highlight of the day was Branstons 'nice gesture' to the shrews fans, quality almost wet myself. Don't get em started with Fagan, dreadful passing, missing from 4 yards. Give Parky at least till Xmas, this summer he clear out the dross (quite a few) and start afresh and then he can be judged. irishjon
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11:01am Tue 10 Apr 12

Danger Mouse Bantam says...

There's one consolation we can take from Parkinsons admission......

At least he's been getting it right in previous games of the season!!! Not ;-)
There's one consolation we can take from Parkinsons admission...... At least he's been getting it right in previous games of the season!!! Not ;-) Danger Mouse Bantam
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11:15am Tue 10 Apr 12

gspot01 says...

chin up wrote:
PP can't win. If we had still lost playing a different side to the one which beat Southend, he would still had got this negative reaction. Some of you should be ashamed to call yourself supporters. If it isn't the manager it's a certain player, seems Flynn is the target this week. In the past it was Hanson, Oliver, Kozluk, Duke, Branston, Bullock, Fagan, Reid, etc might as well put the entire squad in this list. Once PP has proved his doubters wrong again just as he did in December and February, just as he does with great wins against the likes of Southend, you will just pass the criticism onto someone else. Next it will be Parkin, or the physio. I mean it's ridiculous. Yes PP does some baffling things at times, but who is better qualified to make these decisions: PP who has the backing of Wenger who was touting him as his assistant manager, or us who only see the players for 90 mins. I mean people saying Reid should have been playing yesterday from the start. Well that's what everyone will have wanted including PP, but if he wasn't match fit which it appears he wasn't (and who can blame him for wanting to witness his child's birth, and really Reid will have even more respect for PP for his man management of the situation) but had he played the 90 and was woeful, the criticism PP would have received would just be as viscious as it has been for the last few weeks. Like I say he can't win some of you lot over. For me when he arrived it was a breath of fresh air to having Taylor or Jackson. Taylor was very much about defending and hoped to grab a goal. Jacko, well I don't even know what his tactics were apart from leaking goals faster than a sinking ship. PP sees the value of keeping it tight in defence but also is aware that we do need to create chances. We do this every week. How many times do we hear from the commentators we deserved a draw or a victory, it's nearly every week. Every week we create enough chances to win games. Under Jacko and Taylor it was dire and we deservedly lost games. So apart from PP being on the pitch and scoring the 'guilt edge chances' himself what is he supposed to do apart from coach the players further in training. In the summer I expect him to make additions to the squad in attacking areas with the odd addition at the back. Seriously, some of you on here just have a personal vendetta against the club. As much as I didn't agree with Lawn saying the fans should have bought their season tickets by now, he had a point in saying the negative morons should stay away. I wouldn't be surprised if the negativity on here is by people with multiple usernames, as the overall atmosphere at VP has been good. But whoever it is and whoever you are should to be ashamed. We really do have some fickle supporters. (Waits for abuse.)
You will definatley get abuse but I agree with every word!!!! and you put it much better then I could.
.
Like you say it's got to a point where PP can't win because I got the impression that fans where waiting to abuse him for leaving Reid on the bench but if Reid came on and won it late on would PP have received praise for winning it from the bench???? NO he wouldn't.
.
I'm more then confident that next season will be a successful one with PP at the helm.
[quote][p][bold]chin up[/bold] wrote: PP can't win. If we had still lost playing a different side to the one which beat Southend, he would still had got this negative reaction. Some of you should be ashamed to call yourself supporters. If it isn't the manager it's a certain player, seems Flynn is the target this week. In the past it was Hanson, Oliver, Kozluk, Duke, Branston, Bullock, Fagan, Reid, etc might as well put the entire squad in this list. Once PP has proved his doubters wrong again just as he did in December and February, just as he does with great wins against the likes of Southend, you will just pass the criticism onto someone else. Next it will be Parkin, or the physio. I mean it's ridiculous. Yes PP does some baffling things at times, but who is better qualified to make these decisions: PP who has the backing of Wenger who was touting him as his assistant manager, or us who only see the players for 90 mins. I mean people saying Reid should have been playing yesterday from the start. Well that's what everyone will have wanted including PP, but if he wasn't match fit which it appears he wasn't (and who can blame him for wanting to witness his child's birth, and really Reid will have even more respect for PP for his man management of the situation) but had he played the 90 and was woeful, the criticism PP would have received would just be as viscious as it has been for the last few weeks. Like I say he can't win some of you lot over. For me when he arrived it was a breath of fresh air to having Taylor or Jackson. Taylor was very much about defending and hoped to grab a goal. Jacko, well I don't even know what his tactics were apart from leaking goals faster than a sinking ship. PP sees the value of keeping it tight in defence but also is aware that we do need to create chances. We do this every week. How many times do we hear from the commentators we deserved a draw or a victory, it's nearly every week. Every week we create enough chances to win games. Under Jacko and Taylor it was dire and we deservedly lost games. So apart from PP being on the pitch and scoring the 'guilt edge chances' himself what is he supposed to do apart from coach the players further in training. In the summer I expect him to make additions to the squad in attacking areas with the odd addition at the back. Seriously, some of you on here just have a personal vendetta against the club. As much as I didn't agree with Lawn saying the fans should have bought their season tickets by now, he had a point in saying the negative morons should stay away. I wouldn't be surprised if the negativity on here is by people with multiple usernames, as the overall atmosphere at VP has been good. But whoever it is and whoever you are should to be ashamed. We really do have some fickle supporters. (Waits for abuse.)[/p][/quote]You will definatley get abuse but I agree with every word!!!! and you put it much better then I could. . Like you say it's got to a point where PP can't win because I got the impression that fans where waiting to abuse him for leaving Reid on the bench but if Reid came on and won it late on would PP have received praise for winning it from the bench???? NO he wouldn't. . I'm more then confident that next season will be a successful one with PP at the helm. gspot01
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11:36am Tue 10 Apr 12

Keighley Bantam says...

chin up wrote:
PP can't win. If we had still lost playing a different side to the one which beat Southend, he would still had got this negative reaction. Some of you should be ashamed to call yourself supporters. If it isn't the manager it's a certain player, seems Flynn is the target this week. In the past it was Hanson, Oliver, Kozluk, Duke, Branston, Bullock, Fagan, Reid, etc might as well put the entire squad in this list. Once PP has proved his doubters wrong again just as he did in December and February, just as he does with great wins against the likes of Southend, you will just pass the criticism onto someone else. Next it will be Parkin, or the physio. I mean it's ridiculous. Yes PP does some baffling things at times, but who is better qualified to make these decisions: PP who has the backing of Wenger who was touting him as his assistant manager, or us who only see the players for 90 mins. I mean people saying Reid should have been playing yesterday from the start. Well that's what everyone will have wanted including PP, but if he wasn't match fit which it appears he wasn't (and who can blame him for wanting to witness his child's birth, and really Reid will have even more respect for PP for his man management of the situation) but had he played the 90 and was woeful, the criticism PP would have received would just be as viscious as it has been for the last few weeks. Like I say he can't win some of you lot over.

For me when he arrived it was a breath of fresh air to having Taylor or Jackson. Taylor was very much about defending and hoped to grab a goal. Jacko, well I don't even know what his tactics were apart from leaking goals faster than a sinking ship. PP sees the value of keeping it tight in defence but also is aware that we do need to create chances. We do this every week. How many times do we hear from the commentators we deserved a draw or a victory, it's nearly every week. Every week we create enough chances to win games. Under Jacko and Taylor it was dire and we deservedly lost games. So apart from PP being on the pitch and scoring the 'guilt edge chances' himself what is he supposed to do apart from coach the players further in training. In the summer I expect him to make additions to the squad in attacking areas with the odd addition at the back. Seriously, some of you on here just have a personal vendetta against the club. As much as I didn't agree with Lawn saying the fans should have bought their season tickets by now, he had a point in saying the negative morons should stay away. I wouldn't be surprised if the negativity on here is by people with multiple usernames, as the overall atmosphere at VP has been good. But whoever it is and whoever you are should to be ashamed. We really do have some fickle supporters. (Waits for abuse.)
Absolutely spot on.
[quote][p][bold]chin up[/bold] wrote: PP can't win. If we had still lost playing a different side to the one which beat Southend, he would still had got this negative reaction. Some of you should be ashamed to call yourself supporters. If it isn't the manager it's a certain player, seems Flynn is the target this week. In the past it was Hanson, Oliver, Kozluk, Duke, Branston, Bullock, Fagan, Reid, etc might as well put the entire squad in this list. Once PP has proved his doubters wrong again just as he did in December and February, just as he does with great wins against the likes of Southend, you will just pass the criticism onto someone else. Next it will be Parkin, or the physio. I mean it's ridiculous. Yes PP does some baffling things at times, but who is better qualified to make these decisions: PP who has the backing of Wenger who was touting him as his assistant manager, or us who only see the players for 90 mins. I mean people saying Reid should have been playing yesterday from the start. Well that's what everyone will have wanted including PP, but if he wasn't match fit which it appears he wasn't (and who can blame him for wanting to witness his child's birth, and really Reid will have even more respect for PP for his man management of the situation) but had he played the 90 and was woeful, the criticism PP would have received would just be as viscious as it has been for the last few weeks. Like I say he can't win some of you lot over. For me when he arrived it was a breath of fresh air to having Taylor or Jackson. Taylor was very much about defending and hoped to grab a goal. Jacko, well I don't even know what his tactics were apart from leaking goals faster than a sinking ship. PP sees the value of keeping it tight in defence but also is aware that we do need to create chances. We do this every week. How many times do we hear from the commentators we deserved a draw or a victory, it's nearly every week. Every week we create enough chances to win games. Under Jacko and Taylor it was dire and we deservedly lost games. So apart from PP being on the pitch and scoring the 'guilt edge chances' himself what is he supposed to do apart from coach the players further in training. In the summer I expect him to make additions to the squad in attacking areas with the odd addition at the back. Seriously, some of you on here just have a personal vendetta against the club. As much as I didn't agree with Lawn saying the fans should have bought their season tickets by now, he had a point in saying the negative morons should stay away. I wouldn't be surprised if the negativity on here is by people with multiple usernames, as the overall atmosphere at VP has been good. But whoever it is and whoever you are should to be ashamed. We really do have some fickle supporters. (Waits for abuse.)[/p][/quote]Absolutely spot on. Keighley Bantam
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11:45am Tue 10 Apr 12

claretstripe says...

gspot01 wrote:
chin up wrote: PP can't win. If we had still lost playing a different side to the one which beat Southend, he would still had got this negative reaction. Some of you should be ashamed to call yourself supporters. If it isn't the manager it's a certain player, seems Flynn is the target this week. In the past it was Hanson, Oliver, Kozluk, Duke, Branston, Bullock, Fagan, Reid, etc might as well put the entire squad in this list. Once PP has proved his doubters wrong again just as he did in December and February, just as he does with great wins against the likes of Southend, you will just pass the criticism onto someone else. Next it will be Parkin, or the physio. I mean it's ridiculous. Yes PP does some baffling things at times, but who is better qualified to make these decisions: PP who has the backing of Wenger who was touting him as his assistant manager, or us who only see the players for 90 mins. I mean people saying Reid should have been playing yesterday from the start. Well that's what everyone will have wanted including PP, but if he wasn't match fit which it appears he wasn't (and who can blame him for wanting to witness his child's birth, and really Reid will have even more respect for PP for his man management of the situation) but had he played the 90 and was woeful, the criticism PP would have received would just be as viscious as it has been for the last few weeks. Like I say he can't win some of you lot over. For me when he arrived it was a breath of fresh air to having Taylor or Jackson. Taylor was very much about defending and hoped to grab a goal. Jacko, well I don't even know what his tactics were apart from leaking goals faster than a sinking ship. PP sees the value of keeping it tight in defence but also is aware that we do need to create chances. We do this every week. How many times do we hear from the commentators we deserved a draw or a victory, it's nearly every week. Every week we create enough chances to win games. Under Jacko and Taylor it was dire and we deservedly lost games. So apart from PP being on the pitch and scoring the 'guilt edge chances' himself what is he supposed to do apart from coach the players further in training. In the summer I expect him to make additions to the squad in attacking areas with the odd addition at the back. Seriously, some of you on here just have a personal vendetta against the club. As much as I didn't agree with Lawn saying the fans should have bought their season tickets by now, he had a point in saying the negative morons should stay away. I wouldn't be surprised if the negativity on here is by people with multiple usernames, as the overall atmosphere at VP has been good. But whoever it is and whoever you are should to be ashamed. We really do have some fickle supporters. (Waits for abuse.)
You will definatley get abuse but I agree with every word!!!! and you put it much better then I could. . Like you say it's got to a point where PP can't win because I got the impression that fans where waiting to abuse him for leaving Reid on the bench but if Reid came on and won it late on would PP have received praise for winning it from the bench???? NO he wouldn't. . I'm more then confident that next season will be a successful one with PP at the helm.
I do agree with a lot of this, but if you have reid who is arguably one of the best left wingers in the league and good enough to play a a league or two higher, he shouldnt be left out to play a very average centre midfielder out of position?

I like many others would like to see bradfords in form players play week in and week out and reid is certainly one of the players that has preformed this season. I struggle to think of a game where flynn has played well all season, yet when he has been fit he has played.
[quote][p][bold]gspot01[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]chin up[/bold] wrote: PP can't win. If we had still lost playing a different side to the one which beat Southend, he would still had got this negative reaction. Some of you should be ashamed to call yourself supporters. If it isn't the manager it's a certain player, seems Flynn is the target this week. In the past it was Hanson, Oliver, Kozluk, Duke, Branston, Bullock, Fagan, Reid, etc might as well put the entire squad in this list. Once PP has proved his doubters wrong again just as he did in December and February, just as he does with great wins against the likes of Southend, you will just pass the criticism onto someone else. Next it will be Parkin, or the physio. I mean it's ridiculous. Yes PP does some baffling things at times, but who is better qualified to make these decisions: PP who has the backing of Wenger who was touting him as his assistant manager, or us who only see the players for 90 mins. I mean people saying Reid should have been playing yesterday from the start. Well that's what everyone will have wanted including PP, but if he wasn't match fit which it appears he wasn't (and who can blame him for wanting to witness his child's birth, and really Reid will have even more respect for PP for his man management of the situation) but had he played the 90 and was woeful, the criticism PP would have received would just be as viscious as it has been for the last few weeks. Like I say he can't win some of you lot over. For me when he arrived it was a breath of fresh air to having Taylor or Jackson. Taylor was very much about defending and hoped to grab a goal. Jacko, well I don't even know what his tactics were apart from leaking goals faster than a sinking ship. PP sees the value of keeping it tight in defence but also is aware that we do need to create chances. We do this every week. How many times do we hear from the commentators we deserved a draw or a victory, it's nearly every week. Every week we create enough chances to win games. Under Jacko and Taylor it was dire and we deservedly lost games. So apart from PP being on the pitch and scoring the 'guilt edge chances' himself what is he supposed to do apart from coach the players further in training. In the summer I expect him to make additions to the squad in attacking areas with the odd addition at the back. Seriously, some of you on here just have a personal vendetta against the club. As much as I didn't agree with Lawn saying the fans should have bought their season tickets by now, he had a point in saying the negative morons should stay away. I wouldn't be surprised if the negativity on here is by people with multiple usernames, as the overall atmosphere at VP has been good. But whoever it is and whoever you are should to be ashamed. We really do have some fickle supporters. (Waits for abuse.)[/p][/quote]You will definatley get abuse but I agree with every word!!!! and you put it much better then I could. . Like you say it's got to a point where PP can't win because I got the impression that fans where waiting to abuse him for leaving Reid on the bench but if Reid came on and won it late on would PP have received praise for winning it from the bench???? NO he wouldn't. . I'm more then confident that next season will be a successful one with PP at the helm.[/p][/quote]I do agree with a lot of this, but if you have reid who is arguably one of the best left wingers in the league and good enough to play a a league or two higher, he shouldnt be left out to play a very average centre midfielder out of position? I like many others would like to see bradfords in form players play week in and week out and reid is certainly one of the players that has preformed this season. I struggle to think of a game where flynn has played well all season, yet when he has been fit he has played. claretstripe
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11:45am Tue 10 Apr 12

irishjon says...

agreed
agreed irishjon
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11:53am Tue 10 Apr 12

gspot01 says...

claretstripe wrote:
gspot01 wrote:
chin up wrote: PP can't win. If we had still lost playing a different side to the one which beat Southend, he would still had got this negative reaction. Some of you should be ashamed to call yourself supporters. If it isn't the manager it's a certain player, seems Flynn is the target this week. In the past it was Hanson, Oliver, Kozluk, Duke, Branston, Bullock, Fagan, Reid, etc might as well put the entire squad in this list. Once PP has proved his doubters wrong again just as he did in December and February, just as he does with great wins against the likes of Southend, you will just pass the criticism onto someone else. Next it will be Parkin, or the physio. I mean it's ridiculous. Yes PP does some baffling things at times, but who is better qualified to make these decisions: PP who has the backing of Wenger who was touting him as his assistant manager, or us who only see the players for 90 mins. I mean people saying Reid should have been playing yesterday from the start. Well that's what everyone will have wanted including PP, but if he wasn't match fit which it appears he wasn't (and who can blame him for wanting to witness his child's birth, and really Reid will have even more respect for PP for his man management of the situation) but had he played the 90 and was woeful, the criticism PP would have received would just be as viscious as it has been for the last few weeks. Like I say he can't win some of you lot over. For me when he arrived it was a breath of fresh air to having Taylor or Jackson. Taylor was very much about defending and hoped to grab a goal. Jacko, well I don't even know what his tactics were apart from leaking goals faster than a sinking ship. PP sees the value of keeping it tight in defence but also is aware that we do need to create chances. We do this every week. How many times do we hear from the commentators we deserved a draw or a victory, it's nearly every week. Every week we create enough chances to win games. Under Jacko and Taylor it was dire and we deservedly lost games. So apart from PP being on the pitch and scoring the 'guilt edge chances' himself what is he supposed to do apart from coach the players further in training. In the summer I expect him to make additions to the squad in attacking areas with the odd addition at the back. Seriously, some of you on here just have a personal vendetta against the club. As much as I didn't agree with Lawn saying the fans should have bought their season tickets by now, he had a point in saying the negative morons should stay away. I wouldn't be surprised if the negativity on here is by people with multiple usernames, as the overall atmosphere at VP has been good. But whoever it is and whoever you are should to be ashamed. We really do have some fickle supporters. (Waits for abuse.)
You will definatley get abuse but I agree with every word!!!! and you put it much better then I could. . Like you say it's got to a point where PP can't win because I got the impression that fans where waiting to abuse him for leaving Reid on the bench but if Reid came on and won it late on would PP have received praise for winning it from the bench???? NO he wouldn't. . I'm more then confident that next season will be a successful one with PP at the helm.
I do agree with a lot of this, but if you have reid who is arguably one of the best left wingers in the league and good enough to play a a league or two higher, he shouldnt be left out to play a very average centre midfielder out of position? I like many others would like to see bradfords in form players play week in and week out and reid is certainly one of the players that has preformed this season. I struggle to think of a game where flynn has played well all season, yet when he has been fit he has played.
Valid point about Reid but none of us fans know whether he was fit enough or mentally drained from becoming a father......I agree we would have been more dangerous with him playing but PP knows more then us and this was his decisoon to make. Maybe PP thought their biggest threat was in the middle so he tried to win that battle???? PP rates Reid and i'm sure that if he was fit then he would have played rahter then playing a player out of position.
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[quote][p][bold]claretstripe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gspot01[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]chin up[/bold] wrote: PP can't win. If we had still lost playing a different side to the one which beat Southend, he would still had got this negative reaction. Some of you should be ashamed to call yourself supporters. If it isn't the manager it's a certain player, seems Flynn is the target this week. In the past it was Hanson, Oliver, Kozluk, Duke, Branston, Bullock, Fagan, Reid, etc might as well put the entire squad in this list. Once PP has proved his doubters wrong again just as he did in December and February, just as he does with great wins against the likes of Southend, you will just pass the criticism onto someone else. Next it will be Parkin, or the physio. I mean it's ridiculous. Yes PP does some baffling things at times, but who is better qualified to make these decisions: PP who has the backing of Wenger who was touting him as his assistant manager, or us who only see the players for 90 mins. I mean people saying Reid should have been playing yesterday from the start. Well that's what everyone will have wanted including PP, but if he wasn't match fit which it appears he wasn't (and who can blame him for wanting to witness his child's birth, and really Reid will have even more respect for PP for his man management of the situation) but had he played the 90 and was woeful, the criticism PP would have received would just be as viscious as it has been for the last few weeks. Like I say he can't win some of you lot over. For me when he arrived it was a breath of fresh air to having Taylor or Jackson. Taylor was very much about defending and hoped to grab a goal. Jacko, well I don't even know what his tactics were apart from leaking goals faster than a sinking ship. PP sees the value of keeping it tight in defence but also is aware that we do need to create chances. We do this every week. How many times do we hear from the commentators we deserved a draw or a victory, it's nearly every week. Every week we create enough chances to win games. Under Jacko and Taylor it was dire and we deservedly lost games. So apart from PP being on the pitch and scoring the 'guilt edge chances' himself what is he supposed to do apart from coach the players further in training. In the summer I expect him to make additions to the squad in attacking areas with the odd addition at the back. Seriously, some of you on here just have a personal vendetta against the club. As much as I didn't agree with Lawn saying the fans should have bought their season tickets by now, he had a point in saying the negative morons should stay away. I wouldn't be surprised if the negativity on here is by people with multiple usernames, as the overall atmosphere at VP has been good. But whoever it is and whoever you are should to be ashamed. We really do have some fickle supporters. (Waits for abuse.)[/p][/quote]You will definatley get abuse but I agree with every word!!!! and you put it much better then I could. . Like you say it's got to a point where PP can't win because I got the impression that fans where waiting to abuse him for leaving Reid on the bench but if Reid came on and won it late on would PP have received praise for winning it from the bench???? NO he wouldn't. . I'm more then confident that next season will be a successful one with PP at the helm.[/p][/quote]I do agree with a lot of this, but if you have reid who is arguably one of the best left wingers in the league and good enough to play a a league or two higher, he shouldnt be left out to play a very average centre midfielder out of position? I like many others would like to see bradfords in form players play week in and week out and reid is certainly one of the players that has preformed this season. I struggle to think of a game where flynn has played well all season, yet when he has been fit he has played.[/p][/quote]Valid point about Reid but none of us fans know whether he was fit enough or mentally drained from becoming a father......I agree we would have been more dangerous with him playing but PP knows more then us and this was his decisoon to make. Maybe PP thought their biggest threat was in the middle so he tried to win that battle???? PP rates Reid and i'm sure that if he was fit then he would have played rahter then playing a player out of position. . gspot01
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12:53pm Tue 10 Apr 12

wja1966 says...

I thin if PP is in charge next season I think we'll be mid table nothing more and nothing less.

What gets me is we have good enough players like Mitchell and Rowe who can play at this league but he brings in worse players like Kozluk, Atkinson etc and this is what gets me angry.

We dont have a lot of money and im all for our board backing his manger but not when we have players available.

By the way I also think getting rid of the development squad was a huge mistake and when will we see that young lad from Scotland the 17 yr old who is supposed to be brilliant?
I thin if PP is in charge next season I think we'll be mid table nothing more and nothing less. What gets me is we have good enough players like Mitchell and Rowe who can play at this league but he brings in worse players like Kozluk, Atkinson etc and this is what gets me angry. We dont have a lot of money and im all for our board backing his manger but not when we have players available. By the way I also think getting rid of the development squad was a huge mistake and when will we see that young lad from Scotland the 17 yr old who is supposed to be brilliant? wja1966
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1:12pm Tue 10 Apr 12

Cityman23 says...

"HAPPY VALLEY-EXCESS ALL AREAS!!"

'JOOLS AND LAWNEE + PARKIE'

(In the boardroom, 'PP' is showing the joint chairmen a statement he is proposing to pass to the 'T&A')

PP- Yes, I just can't 'live' with it any longer...all the c*** ups, all the wrong players signed/players let go/negative formations/wrong tactics...it's weighing on my conscience...I have to unburdon
myself...

L: Ere..let's 'ave a look at that letter..WE need to be consulted before you say ANYTHING like THAT to the press!!
(Reads)

" ..and I have finally come to the understanding... decisions..made in good faith...but too many of them ..wrong...have led us to where we are..now!!

I was..wrong ..to let ..Jack Compton go.. O'Brien go...Threlfall too soon..send Branston out on loan...(and Williams & Stuart & Hannah) to sign Charlie Taylor..Alan Howarth.....Atkinson
..wrong... to ...leave Duke in goals for ..too long..wrong to...leave out Nahki Wells..for too long..(and Mitchell) to sign ...Smalley...Kozluk.
.to play..4-4-1-1 at home...play defensively/negative
ly...too many times...my tactics have been ...too negative..too often...
..Saturday...I played ..the wrong team!! I just hope..the fans can...give me another chance...promise I'll do...better next season!!

signed 'PP'

L: Right...just you listen ere Parkie...you'll not pass THIS to Simon Parker NO WAY!! For goodness sake, if you admit ALL THIS...the 'flak' it'll cause will come back to hit EVERYONE at this club...including..us
!! Just..leave it at that bit about Saturday...that's MORE than enough!!
(whisper to Jools)
After all there's no point promising to do better NEXT season...don't count your 'chickens' old son!!
"HAPPY VALLEY-EXCESS ALL AREAS!!" 'JOOLS AND LAWNEE + PARKIE' (In the boardroom, 'PP' is showing the joint chairmen a statement he is proposing to pass to the 'T&A') PP- Yes, I just can't 'live' with it any longer...all the c*** ups, all the wrong players signed/players let go/negative formations/wrong tactics...it's weighing on my conscience...I have to unburdon myself... L: Ere..let's 'ave a look at that letter..WE need to be consulted before you say ANYTHING like THAT to the press!! (Reads) " ..and I have finally come to the understanding... decisions..made in good faith...but too many of them ..wrong...have led us to where we are..now!! I was..wrong ..to let ..Jack Compton go.. O'Brien go...Threlfall too soon..send Branston out on loan...(and Williams & Stuart & Hannah) to sign Charlie Taylor..Alan Howarth.....Atkinson ..wrong... to ...leave Duke in goals for ..too long..wrong to...leave out Nahki Wells..for too long..(and Mitchell) to sign ...Smalley...Kozluk. .to play..4-4-1-1 at home...play defensively/negative ly...too many times...my tactics have been ...too negative..too often... ..Saturday...I played ..the wrong team!! I just hope..the fans can...give me another chance...promise I'll do...better next season!! signed 'PP' L: Right...just you listen ere Parkie...you'll not pass THIS to Simon Parker NO WAY!! For goodness sake, if you admit ALL THIS...the 'flak' it'll cause will come back to hit EVERYONE at this club...including..us !! Just..leave it at that bit about Saturday...that's MORE than enough!! (whisper to Jools) After all there's no point promising to do better NEXT season...don't count your 'chickens' old son!! Cityman23
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1:18pm Tue 10 Apr 12

Victor Clayton says...

gspot01 wrote:
claretstripe wrote:
gspot01 wrote:
chin up wrote: PP can't win. If we had still lost playing a different side to the one which beat Southend, he would still had got this negative reaction. Some of you should be ashamed to call yourself supporters. If it isn't the manager it's a certain player, seems Flynn is the target this week. In the past it was Hanson, Oliver, Kozluk, Duke, Branston, Bullock, Fagan, Reid, etc might as well put the entire squad in this list. Once PP has proved his doubters wrong again just as he did in December and February, just as he does with great wins against the likes of Southend, you will just pass the criticism onto someone else. Next it will be Parkin, or the physio. I mean it's ridiculous. Yes PP does some baffling things at times, but who is better qualified to make these decisions: PP who has the backing of Wenger who was touting him as his assistant manager, or us who only see the players for 90 mins. I mean people saying Reid should have been playing yesterday from the start. Well that's what everyone will have wanted including PP, but if he wasn't match fit which it appears he wasn't (and who can blame him for wanting to witness his child's birth, and really Reid will have even more respect for PP for his man management of the situation) but had he played the 90 and was woeful, the criticism PP would have received would just be as viscious as it has been for the last few weeks. Like I say he can't win some of you lot over. For me when he arrived it was a breath of fresh air to having Taylor or Jackson. Taylor was very much about defending and hoped to grab a goal. Jacko, well I don't even know what his tactics were apart from leaking goals faster than a sinking ship. PP sees the value of keeping it tight in defence but also is aware that we do need to create chances. We do this every week. How many times do we hear from the commentators we deserved a draw or a victory, it's nearly every week. Every week we create enough chances to win games. Under Jacko and Taylor it was dire and we deservedly lost games. So apart from PP being on the pitch and scoring the 'guilt edge chances' himself what is he supposed to do apart from coach the players further in training. In the summer I expect him to make additions to the squad in attacking areas with the odd addition at the back. Seriously, some of you on here just have a personal vendetta against the club. As much as I didn't agree with Lawn saying the fans should have bought their season tickets by now, he had a point in saying the negative morons should stay away. I wouldn't be surprised if the negativity on here is by people with multiple usernames, as the overall atmosphere at VP has been good. But whoever it is and whoever you are should to be ashamed. We really do have some fickle supporters. (Waits for abuse.)
You will definatley get abuse but I agree with every word!!!! and you put it much better then I could. . Like you say it's got to a point where PP can't win because I got the impression that fans where waiting to abuse him for leaving Reid on the bench but if Reid came on and won it late on would PP have received praise for winning it from the bench???? NO he wouldn't. . I'm more then confident that next season will be a successful one with PP at the helm.
I do agree with a lot of this, but if you have reid who is arguably one of the best left wingers in the league and good enough to play a a league or two higher, he shouldnt be left out to play a very average centre midfielder out of position? I like many others would like to see bradfords in form players play week in and week out and reid is certainly one of the players that has preformed this season. I struggle to think of a game where flynn has played well all season, yet when he has been fit he has played.
Valid point about Reid but none of us fans know whether he was fit enough or mentally drained from becoming a father......I agree we would have been more dangerous with him playing but PP knows more then us and this was his decisoon to make. Maybe PP thought their biggest threat was in the middle so he tried to win that battle???? PP rates Reid and i'm sure that if he was fit then he would have played rahter then playing a player out of position. .
I agree also. many of you were saying - if only he would start with Hanson and Well, all our troubles would be over! well they weren't, we still didn't score. the basis of criticism for Monday seems to be that Reid didn't start. his partner has just had a baby for crying out loud. by the sounds of it we should have had something out of the last 2 away games. Personally I think its the finishing that has let us down in these games. And it was disappointing to hear Derm say the problem with our midfield was that none of them ever ran beyond the strikers. This had been one of the season long problems for me and one of the reasons Jones (maybe unfairly) is not a nailed on start. BTW, I am one of the worst for having a go at player but to be fair – it is a comments board!
[quote][p][bold]gspot01[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]claretstripe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gspot01[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]chin up[/bold] wrote: PP can't win. If we had still lost playing a different side to the one which beat Southend, he would still had got this negative reaction. Some of you should be ashamed to call yourself supporters. If it isn't the manager it's a certain player, seems Flynn is the target this week. In the past it was Hanson, Oliver, Kozluk, Duke, Branston, Bullock, Fagan, Reid, etc might as well put the entire squad in this list. Once PP has proved his doubters wrong again just as he did in December and February, just as he does with great wins against the likes of Southend, you will just pass the criticism onto someone else. Next it will be Parkin, or the physio. I mean it's ridiculous. Yes PP does some baffling things at times, but who is better qualified to make these decisions: PP who has the backing of Wenger who was touting him as his assistant manager, or us who only see the players for 90 mins. I mean people saying Reid should have been playing yesterday from the start. Well that's what everyone will have wanted including PP, but if he wasn't match fit which it appears he wasn't (and who can blame him for wanting to witness his child's birth, and really Reid will have even more respect for PP for his man management of the situation) but had he played the 90 and was woeful, the criticism PP would have received would just be as viscious as it has been for the last few weeks. Like I say he can't win some of you lot over. For me when he arrived it was a breath of fresh air to having Taylor or Jackson. Taylor was very much about defending and hoped to grab a goal. Jacko, well I don't even know what his tactics were apart from leaking goals faster than a sinking ship. PP sees the value of keeping it tight in defence but also is aware that we do need to create chances. We do this every week. How many times do we hear from the commentators we deserved a draw or a victory, it's nearly every week. Every week we create enough chances to win games. Under Jacko and Taylor it was dire and we deservedly lost games. So apart from PP being on the pitch and scoring the 'guilt edge chances' himself what is he supposed to do apart from coach the players further in training. In the summer I expect him to make additions to the squad in attacking areas with the odd addition at the back. Seriously, some of you on here just have a personal vendetta against the club. As much as I didn't agree with Lawn saying the fans should have bought their season tickets by now, he had a point in saying the negative morons should stay away. I wouldn't be surprised if the negativity on here is by people with multiple usernames, as the overall atmosphere at VP has been good. But whoever it is and whoever you are should to be ashamed. We really do have some fickle supporters. (Waits for abuse.)[/p][/quote]You will definatley get abuse but I agree with every word!!!! and you put it much better then I could. . Like you say it's got to a point where PP can't win because I got the impression that fans where waiting to abuse him for leaving Reid on the bench but if Reid came on and won it late on would PP have received praise for winning it from the bench???? NO he wouldn't. . I'm more then confident that next season will be a successful one with PP at the helm.[/p][/quote]I do agree with a lot of this, but if you have reid who is arguably one of the best left wingers in the league and good enough to play a a league or two higher, he shouldnt be left out to play a very average centre midfielder out of position? I like many others would like to see bradfords in form players play week in and week out and reid is certainly one of the players that has preformed this season. I struggle to think of a game where flynn has played well all season, yet when he has been fit he has played.[/p][/quote]Valid point about Reid but none of us fans know whether he was fit enough or mentally drained from becoming a father......I agree we would have been more dangerous with him playing but PP knows more then us and this was his decisoon to make. Maybe PP thought their biggest threat was in the middle so he tried to win that battle???? PP rates Reid and i'm sure that if he was fit then he would have played rahter then playing a player out of position. .[/p][/quote]I agree also. many of you were saying - if only he would start with Hanson and Well, all our troubles would be over! well they weren't, we still didn't score. the basis of criticism for Monday seems to be that Reid didn't start. his partner has just had a baby for crying out loud. by the sounds of it we should have had something out of the last 2 away games. Personally I think its the finishing that has let us down in these games. And it was disappointing to hear Derm say the problem with our midfield was that none of them ever ran beyond the strikers. This had been one of the season long problems for me and one of the reasons Jones (maybe unfairly) is not a nailed on start. BTW, I am one of the worst for having a go at player but to be fair – it is a comments board! Victor Clayton
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1:27pm Tue 10 Apr 12

Cityman23 says...

I see Steve Evans has jumped 'ship' (topical re: Titanic!) and left Crawley to become the new Rotherham manager!! Steve Coppell is to become 'Director Of Football' (Didn't know they played the game!!) at Crawley!!
I see Steve Evans has jumped 'ship' (topical re: Titanic!) and left Crawley to become the new Rotherham manager!! Steve Coppell is to become 'Director Of Football' (Didn't know they played the game!!) at Crawley!! Cityman23
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2:02pm Tue 10 Apr 12

340stopper says...

We are making chances but not putting them away.
I thought that was why we signed Hannah - he is an expert at it compared to the likes of Fagan.
When on earth are we ever going to score away - it is abysmal considering the long list of "quality" of players that have been signed.
Sorry - just not good enough.
We are making chances but not putting them away. I thought that was why we signed Hannah - he is an expert at it compared to the likes of Fagan. When on earth are we ever going to score away - it is abysmal considering the long list of "quality" of players that have been signed. Sorry - just not good enough. 340stopper
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2:03pm Tue 10 Apr 12

GenieBantam says...

Well said Chin up and others, i agree with everything you've said. PP should definately be given the chance next season (at least until xmas) to prove himself to the doubters. I've seen some good stuff at VP this season and belief were only a few more players from being a force next season. A 20 goal a season man being top of the list. If we had a Benno for instance I've no doubt these 1-0 losses would have been wins or at least draws. We also need a stalwart defender and attacking right midfielder. The Spine of the team is sorted for me. Just the wide positions. CTID
Well said Chin up and others, i agree with everything you've said. PP should definately be given the chance next season (at least until xmas) to prove himself to the doubters. I've seen some good stuff at VP this season and belief were only a few more players from being a force next season. A 20 goal a season man being top of the list. If we had a Benno for instance I've no doubt these 1-0 losses would have been wins or at least draws. We also need a stalwart defender and attacking right midfielder. The Spine of the team is sorted for me. Just the wide positions. CTID GenieBantam
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2:12pm Tue 10 Apr 12

340stopper says...

GenieBantam wrote:
Well said Chin up and others, i agree with everything you've said. PP should definately be given the chance next season (at least until xmas) to prove himself to the doubters. I've seen some good stuff at VP this season and belief were only a few more players from being a force next season. A 20 goal a season man being top of the list. If we had a Benno for instance I've no doubt these 1-0 losses would have been wins or at least draws. We also need a stalwart defender and attacking right midfielder. The Spine of the team is sorted for me. Just the wide positions. CTID
Cripe's, you may well be right but how many more players do we need to try, we have tried well over forty this season alone
without any progress being made as regards our leaque position.
[quote][p][bold]GenieBantam[/bold] wrote: Well said Chin up and others, i agree with everything you've said. PP should definately be given the chance next season (at least until xmas) to prove himself to the doubters. I've seen some good stuff at VP this season and belief were only a few more players from being a force next season. A 20 goal a season man being top of the list. If we had a Benno for instance I've no doubt these 1-0 losses would have been wins or at least draws. We also need a stalwart defender and attacking right midfielder. The Spine of the team is sorted for me. Just the wide positions. CTID[/p][/quote]Cripe's, you may well be right but how many more players do we need to try, we have tried well over forty this season alone without any progress being made as regards our leaque position. 340stopper
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2:15pm Tue 10 Apr 12

Alvechurch73 says...

I'm sorry but there is no gloss that can be put on this season; it has been absolutley shocking. How anyone can defend Parkinson is beyond me - it's not about the Shrewsbury result or the Southend result, it is about the entire season - utterly dire. I realise this makes me a heretic in the eyes of some of our more sycophantic supporters, but just because I and many others have lost faith in our manager does not make us any less loyal in our support for our club - in fact I would argue it demonstrates our passion for BCFC. I feel very angry and very let down this season, more so than any season for a long, long time.
I'm sorry but there is no gloss that can be put on this season; it has been absolutley shocking. How anyone can defend Parkinson is beyond me - it's not about the Shrewsbury result or the Southend result, it is about the entire season - utterly dire. I realise this makes me a heretic in the eyes of some of our more sycophantic supporters, but just because I and many others have lost faith in our manager does not make us any less loyal in our support for our club - in fact I would argue it demonstrates our passion for BCFC. I feel very angry and very let down this season, more so than any season for a long, long time. Alvechurch73
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2:39pm Tue 10 Apr 12

yangyeight says...

geniebantam, i've seen some good stuff at valley parade?
yes but also plenty of tripe too!!
geniebantam, i've seen some good stuff at valley parade? yes but also plenty of tripe too!! yangyeight
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2:43pm Tue 10 Apr 12

prince35 says...

Victor Clayton wrote:
gspot01 wrote:
claretstripe wrote:
gspot01 wrote:
chin up wrote: PP can't win. If we had still lost playing a different side to the one which beat Southend, he would still had got this negative reaction. Some of you should be ashamed to call yourself supporters. If it isn't the manager it's a certain player, seems Flynn is the target this week. In the past it was Hanson, Oliver, Kozluk, Duke, Branston, Bullock, Fagan, Reid, etc might as well put the entire squad in this list. Once PP has proved his doubters wrong again just as he did in December and February, just as he does with great wins against the likes of Southend, you will just pass the criticism onto someone else. Next it will be Parkin, or the physio. I mean it's ridiculous. Yes PP does some baffling things at times, but who is better qualified to make these decisions: PP who has the backing of Wenger who was touting him as his assistant manager, or us who only see the players for 90 mins. I mean people saying Reid should have been playing yesterday from the start. Well that's what everyone will have wanted including PP, but if he wasn't match fit which it appears he wasn't (and who can blame him for wanting to witness his child's birth, and really Reid will have even more respect for PP for his man management of the situation) but had he played the 90 and was woeful, the criticism PP would have received would just be as viscious as it has been for the last few weeks. Like I say he can't win some of you lot over. For me when he arrived it was a breath of fresh air to having Taylor or Jackson. Taylor was very much about defending and hoped to grab a goal. Jacko, well I don't even know what his tactics were apart from leaking goals faster than a sinking ship. PP sees the value of keeping it tight in defence but also is aware that we do need to create chances. We do this every week. How many times do we hear from the commentators we deserved a draw or a victory, it's nearly every week. Every week we create enough chances to win games. Under Jacko and Taylor it was dire and we deservedly lost games. So apart from PP being on the pitch and scoring the 'guilt edge chances' himself what is he supposed to do apart from coach the players further in training. In the summer I expect him to make additions to the squad in attacking areas with the odd addition at the back. Seriously, some of you on here just have a personal vendetta against the club. As much as I didn't agree with Lawn saying the fans should have bought their season tickets by now, he had a point in saying the negative morons should stay away. I wouldn't be surprised if the negativity on here is by people with multiple usernames, as the overall atmosphere at VP has been good. But whoever it is and whoever you are should to be ashamed. We really do have some fickle supporters. (Waits for abuse.)
You will definatley get abuse but I agree with every word!!!! and you put it much better then I could. . Like you say it's got to a point where PP can't win because I got the impression that fans where waiting to abuse him for leaving Reid on the bench but if Reid came on and won it late on would PP have received praise for winning it from the bench???? NO he wouldn't. . I'm more then confident that next season will be a successful one with PP at the helm.
I do agree with a lot of this, but if you have reid who is arguably one of the best left wingers in the league and good enough to play a a league or two higher, he shouldnt be left out to play a very average centre midfielder out of position? I like many others would like to see bradfords in form players play week in and week out and reid is certainly one of the players that has preformed this season. I struggle to think of a game where flynn has played well all season, yet when he has been fit he has played.
Valid point about Reid but none of us fans know whether he was fit enough or mentally drained from becoming a father......I agree we would have been more dangerous with him playing but PP knows more then us and this was his decisoon to make. Maybe PP thought their biggest threat was in the middle so he tried to win that battle???? PP rates Reid and i'm sure that if he was fit then he would have played rahter then playing a player out of position. .
I agree also. many of you were saying - if only he would start with Hanson and Well, all our troubles would be over! well they weren't, we still didn't score. the basis of criticism for Monday seems to be that Reid didn't start. his partner has just had a baby for crying out loud. by the sounds of it we should have had something out of the last 2 away games. Personally I think its the finishing that has let us down in these games. And it was disappointing to hear Derm say the problem with our midfield was that none of them ever ran beyond the strikers. This had been one of the season long problems for me and one of the reasons Jones (maybe unfairly) is not a nailed on start. BTW, I am one of the worst for having a go at player but to be fair – it is a comments board!
You could say that about the full backs not getting forward and helping the widemen get further up the pitch.
We play to rigid and expect Reid to just get to the byline and cross.
Can you imagine compton on the right and Reid on the left.
Jones and syers in the centre.
That would certainty be a,creative midfield.
[quote][p][bold]Victor Clayton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gspot01[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]claretstripe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gspot01[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]chin up[/bold] wrote: PP can't win. If we had still lost playing a different side to the one which beat Southend, he would still had got this negative reaction. Some of you should be ashamed to call yourself supporters. If it isn't the manager it's a certain player, seems Flynn is the target this week. In the past it was Hanson, Oliver, Kozluk, Duke, Branston, Bullock, Fagan, Reid, etc might as well put the entire squad in this list. Once PP has proved his doubters wrong again just as he did in December and February, just as he does with great wins against the likes of Southend, you will just pass the criticism onto someone else. Next it will be Parkin, or the physio. I mean it's ridiculous. Yes PP does some baffling things at times, but who is better qualified to make these decisions: PP who has the backing of Wenger who was touting him as his assistant manager, or us who only see the players for 90 mins. I mean people saying Reid should have been playing yesterday from the start. Well that's what everyone will have wanted including PP, but if he wasn't match fit which it appears he wasn't (and who can blame him for wanting to witness his child's birth, and really Reid will have even more respect for PP for his man management of the situation) but had he played the 90 and was woeful, the criticism PP would have received would just be as viscious as it has been for the last few weeks. Like I say he can't win some of you lot over. For me when he arrived it was a breath of fresh air to having Taylor or Jackson. Taylor was very much about defending and hoped to grab a goal. Jacko, well I don't even know what his tactics were apart from leaking goals faster than a sinking ship. PP sees the value of keeping it tight in defence but also is aware that we do need to create chances. We do this every week. How many times do we hear from the commentators we deserved a draw or a victory, it's nearly every week. Every week we create enough chances to win games. Under Jacko and Taylor it was dire and we deservedly lost games. So apart from PP being on the pitch and scoring the 'guilt edge chances' himself what is he supposed to do apart from coach the players further in training. In the summer I expect him to make additions to the squad in attacking areas with the odd addition at the back. Seriously, some of you on here just have a personal vendetta against the club. As much as I didn't agree with Lawn saying the fans should have bought their season tickets by now, he had a point in saying the negative morons should stay away. I wouldn't be surprised if the negativity on here is by people with multiple usernames, as the overall atmosphere at VP has been good. But whoever it is and whoever you are should to be ashamed. We really do have some fickle supporters. (Waits for abuse.)[/p][/quote]You will definatley get abuse but I agree with every word!!!! and you put it much better then I could. . Like you say it's got to a point where PP can't win because I got the impression that fans where waiting to abuse him for leaving Reid on the bench but if Reid came on and won it late on would PP have received praise for winning it from the bench???? NO he wouldn't. . I'm more then confident that next season will be a successful one with PP at the helm.[/p][/quote]I do agree with a lot of this, but if you have reid who is arguably one of the best left wingers in the league and good enough to play a a league or two higher, he shouldnt be left out to play a very average centre midfielder out of position? I like many others would like to see bradfords in form players play week in and week out and reid is certainly one of the players that has preformed this season. I struggle to think of a game where flynn has played well all season, yet when he has been fit he has played.[/p][/quote]Valid point about Reid but none of us fans know whether he was fit enough or mentally drained from becoming a father......I agree we would have been more dangerous with him playing but PP knows more then us and this was his decisoon to make. Maybe PP thought their biggest threat was in the middle so he tried to win that battle???? PP rates Reid and i'm sure that if he was fit then he would have played rahter then playing a player out of position. .[/p][/quote]I agree also. many of you were saying - if only he would start with Hanson and Well, all our troubles would be over! well they weren't, we still didn't score. the basis of criticism for Monday seems to be that Reid didn't start. his partner has just had a baby for crying out loud. by the sounds of it we should have had something out of the last 2 away games. Personally I think its the finishing that has let us down in these games. And it was disappointing to hear Derm say the problem with our midfield was that none of them ever ran beyond the strikers. This had been one of the season long problems for me and one of the reasons Jones (maybe unfairly) is not a nailed on start. BTW, I am one of the worst for having a go at player but to be fair – it is a comments board![/p][/quote]You could say that about the full backs not getting forward and helping the widemen get further up the pitch. We play to rigid and expect Reid to just get to the byline and cross. Can you imagine compton on the right and Reid on the left. Jones and syers in the centre. That would certainty be a,creative midfield. prince35
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2:53pm Tue 10 Apr 12

Meat Pie says...

The problem with Parkinson is that too often he sets the team up to keep the point we start with and then we can't keep a clean sheet and his game plan has to change.
The complete frustration for me is that when we go out and attack teams we do play som egood stuff and I dare say we may well have been at the opposite end of the table if we played every game like we did against Southend.
What is he so scared of and why can't he see that he has the players to attack if only he would let them do it?
With that in mind and on the basis that he has had enough time, I believe that Parkinson has to go at the end of the season.
It is only the fact that Macclesfield and Hereford are so poor that we are not further in the mire.
The problem with Parkinson is that too often he sets the team up to keep the point we start with and then we can't keep a clean sheet and his game plan has to change. The complete frustration for me is that when we go out and attack teams we do play som egood stuff and I dare say we may well have been at the opposite end of the table if we played every game like we did against Southend. What is he so scared of and why can't he see that he has the players to attack if only he would let them do it? With that in mind and on the basis that he has had enough time, I believe that Parkinson has to go at the end of the season. It is only the fact that Macclesfield and Hereford are so poor that we are not further in the mire. Meat Pie
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3:08pm Tue 10 Apr 12

fatbloke says...

@prince35
Dam right too rigid, that guy Parkie thinks the players are on sticks....
Having them moving around a footie pitch (in training) with no oposition while his assistant parkin runs around with the ball at his feet..
I think he gets it from the Zumba girls at half time :-)
@prince35 Dam right too rigid, that guy Parkie thinks the players are on sticks.... Having them moving around a footie pitch (in training) with no oposition while his assistant parkin runs around with the ball at his feet.. I think he gets it from the Zumba girls at half time :-) fatbloke
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3:12pm Tue 10 Apr 12

Prisoner Cell Block A says...

Spenvalleyspartan wrote:
I'd give Parkinson till Christmas personally. Give him the summer and half of next season to get it right! If we're still huff and puffing around the relegation zone at Xmas then get shut! To me Parkinson and the board made 2 big mistakes in January. 1. Not signing Benson. (look at him go at Swindon now.Swindons form really took off after January!!) 2. Getting rid of Compton. Which really has only left us with 1 quality winger in Reid! Easier to defend against a team whose only real threat comes down 1 side rather than 2! To stop gaps have been poor! The problem you've got now is the last 3 months have been that bad that many like Halifax Bantam arn't gunna bother which means less in the fighting fund! I blame the board for that for letting those 2 players slip through our fingers!
Look, it was stated at the time why we didn't sign Benson. Steve Bollen, one of the most reknowned knee specialists detected problems with Benson's knee. He advised the club not to invest 100k in something that could break tomorrow and had no resale value.

Would you spend 100k of your money on a house that a surveyor, one of the top surveyors in the world, said had subsidence and could fall down at any time plus had no resale value at all Leaving you 100k out of pocket and nowhere to live? I am going to guess that 100% of folk interviewed would keep their 100k.

So with that now firmly ensconced in brains, why would ML and JR sanction a deal which on advise was not going to produce a good outcome for their 100k. Would Benson's 10 goals for Swindon have helped us when Nahki has tucked away 8 in the same time?

The problem doesn't lie in who we haven't got but in the misuse of who we do have, did have.
[quote][p][bold]Spenvalleyspartan[/bold] wrote: I'd give Parkinson till Christmas personally. Give him the summer and half of next season to get it right! If we're still huff and puffing around the relegation zone at Xmas then get shut! To me Parkinson and the board made 2 big mistakes in January. 1. Not signing Benson. (look at him go at Swindon now.Swindons form really took off after January!!) 2. Getting rid of Compton. Which really has only left us with 1 quality winger in Reid! Easier to defend against a team whose only real threat comes down 1 side rather than 2! To stop gaps have been poor! The problem you've got now is the last 3 months have been that bad that many like Halifax Bantam arn't gunna bother which means less in the fighting fund! I blame the board for that for letting those 2 players slip through our fingers![/p][/quote]Look, it was stated at the time why we didn't sign Benson. Steve Bollen, one of the most reknowned knee specialists detected problems with Benson's knee. He advised the club not to invest 100k in something that could break tomorrow and had no resale value. Would you spend 100k of your money on a house that a surveyor, one of the top surveyors in the world, said had subsidence and could fall down at any time plus had no resale value at all Leaving you 100k out of pocket and nowhere to live? I am going to guess that 100% of folk interviewed would keep their 100k. So with that now firmly ensconced in brains, why would ML and JR sanction a deal which on advise was not going to produce a good outcome for their 100k. Would Benson's 10 goals for Swindon have helped us when Nahki has tucked away 8 in the same time? The problem doesn't lie in who we haven't got but in the misuse of who we do have, did have. Prisoner Cell Block A
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3:48pm Tue 10 Apr 12

shaun from richmond says...

GenieBantam wrote:
Well said Chin up and others, i agree with everything you've said. PP should definately be given the chance next season (at least until xmas) to prove himself to the doubters. I've seen some good stuff at VP this season and belief were only a few more players from being a force next season. A 20 goal a season man being top of the list. If we had a Benno for instance I've no doubt these 1-0 losses would have been wins or at least draws. We also need a stalwart defender and attacking right midfielder. The Spine of the team is sorted for me. Just the wide positions. CTID
YES.....What a good idea??? Lets keep "Deabeat" till Christmas!!....THEN SACK HIM!!.
What a fantastic idea!! Makes SOOO much sense!!.
[quote][p][bold]GenieBantam[/bold] wrote: Well said Chin up and others, i agree with everything you've said. PP should definately be given the chance next season (at least until xmas) to prove himself to the doubters. I've seen some good stuff at VP this season and belief were only a few more players from being a force next season. A 20 goal a season man being top of the list. If we had a Benno for instance I've no doubt these 1-0 losses would have been wins or at least draws. We also need a stalwart defender and attacking right midfielder. The Spine of the team is sorted for me. Just the wide positions. CTID[/p][/quote]YES.....What a good idea??? Lets keep "Deabeat" till Christmas!!....THEN SACK HIM!!. What a fantastic idea!! Makes SOOO much sense!!. shaun from richmond
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4:13pm Tue 10 Apr 12

claretstripe says...

prince35 wrote:
Victor Clayton wrote:
gspot01 wrote:
claretstripe wrote:
gspot01 wrote:
chin up wrote: PP can't win. If we had still lost playing a different side to the one which beat Southend, he would still had got this negative reaction. Some of you should be ashamed to call yourself supporters. If it isn't the manager it's a certain player, seems Flynn is the target this week. In the past it was Hanson, Oliver, Kozluk, Duke, Branston, Bullock, Fagan, Reid, etc might as well put the entire squad in this list. Once PP has proved his doubters wrong again just as he did in December and February, just as he does with great wins against the likes of Southend, you will just pass the criticism onto someone else. Next it will be Parkin, or the physio. I mean it's ridiculous. Yes PP does some baffling things at times, but who is better qualified to make these decisions: PP who has the backing of Wenger who was touting him as his assistant manager, or us who only see the players for 90 mins. I mean people saying Reid should have been playing yesterday from the start. Well that's what everyone will have wanted including PP, but if he wasn't match fit which it appears he wasn't (and who can blame him for wanting to witness his child's birth, and really Reid will have even more respect for PP for his man management of the situation) but had he played the 90 and was woeful, the criticism PP would have received would just be as viscious as it has been for the last few weeks. Like I say he can't win some of you lot over. For me when he arrived it was a breath of fresh air to having Taylor or Jackson. Taylor was very much about defending and hoped to grab a goal. Jacko, well I don't even know what his tactics were apart from leaking goals faster than a sinking ship. PP sees the value of keeping it tight in defence but also is aware that we do need to create chances. We do this every week. How many times do we hear from the commentators we deserved a draw or a victory, it's nearly every week. Every week we create enough chances to win games. Under Jacko and Taylor it was dire and we deservedly lost games. So apart from PP being on the pitch and scoring the 'guilt edge chances' himself what is he supposed to do apart from coach the players further in training. In the summer I expect him to make additions to the squad in attacking areas with the odd addition at the back. Seriously, some of you on here just have a personal vendetta against the club. As much as I didn't agree with Lawn saying the fans should have bought their season tickets by now, he had a point in saying the negative morons should stay away. I wouldn't be surprised if the negativity on here is by people with multiple usernames, as the overall atmosphere at VP has been good. But whoever it is and whoever you are should to be ashamed. We really do have some fickle supporters. (Waits for abuse.)
You will definatley get abuse but I agree with every word!!!! and you put it much better then I could. . Like you say it's got to a point where PP can't win because I got the impression that fans where waiting to abuse him for leaving Reid on the bench but if Reid came on and won it late on would PP have received praise for winning it from the bench???? NO he wouldn't. . I'm more then confident that next season will be a successful one with PP at the helm.
I do agree with a lot of this, but if you have reid who is arguably one of the best left wingers in the league and good enough to play a a league or two higher, he shouldnt be left out to play a very average centre midfielder out of position? I like many others would like to see bradfords in form players play week in and week out and reid is certainly one of the players that has preformed this season. I struggle to think of a game where flynn has played well all season, yet when he has been fit he has played.
Valid point about Reid but none of us fans know whether he was fit enough or mentally drained from becoming a father......I agree we would have been more dangerous with him playing but PP knows more then us and this was his decisoon to make. Maybe PP thought their biggest threat was in the middle so he tried to win that battle???? PP rates Reid and i'm sure that if he was fit then he would have played rahter then playing a player out of position. .
I agree also. many of you were saying - if only he would start with Hanson and Well, all our troubles would be over! well they weren't, we still didn't score. the basis of criticism for Monday seems to be that Reid didn't start. his partner has just had a baby for crying out loud. by the sounds of it we should have had something out of the last 2 away games. Personally I think its the finishing that has let us down in these games. And it was disappointing to hear Derm say the problem with our midfield was that none of them ever ran beyond the strikers. This had been one of the season long problems for me and one of the reasons Jones (maybe unfairly) is not a nailed on start. BTW, I am one of the worst for having a go at player but to be fair – it is a comments board!
You could say that about the full backs not getting forward and helping the widemen get further up the pitch. We play to rigid and expect Reid to just get to the byline and cross. Can you imagine compton on the right and Reid on the left. Jones and syers in the centre. That would certainty be a,creative midfield.
This is an interesting point. A lot of people say Syers and Jones wouldn't provide the defensive cover we need, but they are both box to box and would keep the ball and get us moving forward.

I dont think we would concede any more more goals with these two because we wouldn't give the ball away as often and when we do it would probably be further upfeild. They are both mobile and would get up and down and we may even out score teams.

I know it sounds simple and may be riskey, but McCall and Walley never both just sat, they both joined play and that was the best city midfield I've ever seen.

Cliche, but best form of defense is attack is it not?
[quote][p][bold]prince35[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Victor Clayton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gspot01[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]claretstripe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gspot01[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]chin up[/bold] wrote: PP can't win. If we had still lost playing a different side to the one which beat Southend, he would still had got this negative reaction. Some of you should be ashamed to call yourself supporters. If it isn't the manager it's a certain player, seems Flynn is the target this week. In the past it was Hanson, Oliver, Kozluk, Duke, Branston, Bullock, Fagan, Reid, etc might as well put the entire squad in this list. Once PP has proved his doubters wrong again just as he did in December and February, just as he does with great wins against the likes of Southend, you will just pass the criticism onto someone else. Next it will be Parkin, or the physio. I mean it's ridiculous. Yes PP does some baffling things at times, but who is better qualified to make these decisions: PP who has the backing of Wenger who was touting him as his assistant manager, or us who only see the players for 90 mins. I mean people saying Reid should have been playing yesterday from the start. Well that's what everyone will have wanted including PP, but if he wasn't match fit which it appears he wasn't (and who can blame him for wanting to witness his child's birth, and really Reid will have even more respect for PP for his man management of the situation) but had he played the 90 and was woeful, the criticism PP would have received would just be as viscious as it has been for the last few weeks. Like I say he can't win some of you lot over. For me when he arrived it was a breath of fresh air to having Taylor or Jackson. Taylor was very much about defending and hoped to grab a goal. Jacko, well I don't even know what his tactics were apart from leaking goals faster than a sinking ship. PP sees the value of keeping it tight in defence but also is aware that we do need to create chances. We do this every week. How many times do we hear from the commentators we deserved a draw or a victory, it's nearly every week. Every week we create enough chances to win games. Under Jacko and Taylor it was dire and we deservedly lost games. So apart from PP being on the pitch and scoring the 'guilt edge chances' himself what is he supposed to do apart from coach the players further in training. In the summer I expect him to make additions to the squad in attacking areas with the odd addition at the back. Seriously, some of you on here just have a personal vendetta against the club. As much as I didn't agree with Lawn saying the fans should have bought their season tickets by now, he had a point in saying the negative morons should stay away. I wouldn't be surprised if the negativity on here is by people with multiple usernames, as the overall atmosphere at VP has been good. But whoever it is and whoever you are should to be ashamed. We really do have some fickle supporters. (Waits for abuse.)[/p][/quote]You will definatley get abuse but I agree with every word!!!! and you put it much better then I could. . Like you say it's got to a point where PP can't win because I got the impression that fans where waiting to abuse him for leaving Reid on the bench but if Reid came on and won it late on would PP have received praise for winning it from the bench???? NO he wouldn't. . I'm more then confident that next season will be a successful one with PP at the helm.[/p][/quote]I do agree with a lot of this, but if you have reid who is arguably one of the best left wingers in the league and good enough to play a a league or two higher, he shouldnt be left out to play a very average centre midfielder out of position? I like many others would like to see bradfords in form players play week in and week out and reid is certainly one of the players that has preformed this season. I struggle to think of a game where flynn has played well all season, yet when he has been fit he has played.[/p][/quote]Valid point about Reid but none of us fans know whether he was fit enough or mentally drained from becoming a father......I agree we would have been more dangerous with him playing but PP knows more then us and this was his decisoon to make. Maybe PP thought their biggest threat was in the middle so he tried to win that battle???? PP rates Reid and i'm sure that if he was fit then he would have played rahter then playing a player out of position. .[/p][/quote]I agree also. many of you were saying - if only he would start with Hanson and Well, all our troubles would be over! well they weren't, we still didn't score. the basis of criticism for Monday seems to be that Reid didn't start. his partner has just had a baby for crying out loud. by the sounds of it we should have had something out of the last 2 away games. Personally I think its the finishing that has let us down in these games. And it was disappointing to hear Derm say the problem with our midfield was that none of them ever ran beyond the strikers. This had been one of the season long problems for me and one of the reasons Jones (maybe unfairly) is not a nailed on start. BTW, I am one of the worst for having a go at player but to be fair – it is a comments board![/p][/quote]You could say that about the full backs not getting forward and helping the widemen get further up the pitch. We play to rigid and expect Reid to just get to the byline and cross. Can you imagine compton on the right and Reid on the left. Jones and syers in the centre. That would certainty be a,creative midfield.[/p][/quote]This is an interesting point. A lot of people say Syers and Jones wouldn't provide the defensive cover we need, but they are both box to box and would keep the ball and get us moving forward. I dont think we would concede any more more goals with these two because we wouldn't give the ball away as often and when we do it would probably be further upfeild. They are both mobile and would get up and down and we may even out score teams. I know it sounds simple and may be riskey, but McCall and Walley never both just sat, they both joined play and that was the best city midfield I've ever seen. Cliche, but best form of defense is attack is it not? claretstripe
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4:52pm Tue 10 Apr 12

gspot01 says...

prince35 wrote:
Victor Clayton wrote:
gspot01 wrote:
claretstripe wrote:
gspot01 wrote:
chin up wrote: PP can't win. If we had still lost playing a different side to the one which beat Southend, he would still had got this negative reaction. Some of you should be ashamed to call yourself supporters. If it isn't the manager it's a certain player, seems Flynn is the target this week. In the past it was Hanson, Oliver, Kozluk, Duke, Branston, Bullock, Fagan, Reid, etc might as well put the entire squad in this list. Once PP has proved his doubters wrong again just as he did in December and February, just as he does with great wins against the likes of Southend, you will just pass the criticism onto someone else. Next it will be Parkin, or the physio. I mean it's ridiculous. Yes PP does some baffling things at times, but who is better qualified to make these decisions: PP who has the backing of Wenger who was touting him as his assistant manager, or us who only see the players for 90 mins. I mean people saying Reid should have been playing yesterday from the start. Well that's what everyone will have wanted including PP, but if he wasn't match fit which it appears he wasn't (and who can blame him for wanting to witness his child's birth, and really Reid will have even more respect for PP for his man management of the situation) but had he played the 90 and was woeful, the criticism PP would have received would just be as viscious as it has been for the last few weeks. Like I say he can't win some of you lot over. For me when he arrived it was a breath of fresh air to having Taylor or Jackson. Taylor was very much about defending and hoped to grab a goal. Jacko, well I don't even know what his tactics were apart from leaking goals faster than a sinking ship. PP sees the value of keeping it tight in defence but also is aware that we do need to create chances. We do this every week. How many times do we hear from the commentators we deserved a draw or a victory, it's nearly every week. Every week we create enough chances to win games. Under Jacko and Taylor it was dire and we deservedly lost games. So apart from PP being on the pitch and scoring the 'guilt edge chances' himself what is he supposed to do apart from coach the players further in training. In the summer I expect him to make additions to the squad in attacking areas with the odd addition at the back. Seriously, some of you on here just have a personal vendetta against the club. As much as I didn't agree with Lawn saying the fans should have bought their season tickets by now, he had a point in saying the negative morons should stay away. I wouldn't be surprised if the negativity on here is by people with multiple usernames, as the overall atmosphere at VP has been good. But whoever it is and whoever you are should to be ashamed. We really do have some fickle supporters. (Waits for abuse.)
You will definatley get abuse but I agree with every word!!!! and you put it much better then I could. . Like you say it's got to a point where PP can't win because I got the impression that fans where waiting to abuse him for leaving Reid on the bench but if Reid came on and won it late on would PP have received praise for winning it from the bench???? NO he wouldn't. . I'm more then confident that next season will be a successful one with PP at the helm.
I do agree with a lot of this, but if you have reid who is arguably one of the best left wingers in the league and good enough to play a a league or two higher, he shouldnt be left out to play a very average centre midfielder out of position? I like many others would like to see bradfords in form players play week in and week out and reid is certainly one of the players that has preformed this season. I struggle to think of a game where flynn has played well all season, yet when he has been fit he has played.
Valid point about Reid but none of us fans know whether he was fit enough or mentally drained from becoming a father......I agree we would have been more dangerous with him playing but PP knows more then us and this was his decisoon to make. Maybe PP thought their biggest threat was in the middle so he tried to win that battle???? PP rates Reid and i'm sure that if he was fit then he would have played rahter then playing a player out of position. .
I agree also. many of you were saying - if only he would start with Hanson and Well, all our troubles would be over! well they weren't, we still didn't score. the basis of criticism for Monday seems to be that Reid didn't start. his partner has just had a baby for crying out loud. by the sounds of it we should have had something out of the last 2 away games. Personally I think its the finishing that has let us down in these games. And it was disappointing to hear Derm say the problem with our midfield was that none of them ever ran beyond the strikers. This had been one of the season long problems for me and one of the reasons Jones (maybe unfairly) is not a nailed on start. BTW, I am one of the worst for having a go at player but to be fair – it is a comments board!
You could say that about the full backs not getting forward and helping the widemen get further up the pitch. We play to rigid and expect Reid to just get to the byline and cross. Can you imagine compton on the right and Reid on the left. Jones and syers in the centre. That would certainty be a,creative midfield.
I think it's safe to say that the FB's are told not to be too adventurous. I don't mind this but if thats the case then we need a midfielder (Syers) who will get into the box. Problem then is that you then need the insurance of a Ravenhill who will sit in. Problem then is that no room for Jones who personally I think is our best midfielder because he moves the ball and generally gets us ticking. It's a difficult one because I like all 3 but then that is why you have a squad and different ways of playing throughout the season.
.
I personally believe we aren't very far off having a very good squad and I like to think that PP is experimenting/tinker
ing to find our best way of playing for next season. Only my opinion. I refuse to lay the blame on the manager whenever we lose or when he does something I dont agree with. If that was the case then 46 managers would be sacked every week.
[quote][p][bold]prince35[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Victor Clayton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gspot01[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]claretstripe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gspot01[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]chin up[/bold] wrote: PP can't win. If we had still lost playing a different side to the one which beat Southend, he would still had got this negative reaction. Some of you should be ashamed to call yourself supporters. If it isn't the manager it's a certain player, seems Flynn is the target this week. In the past it was Hanson, Oliver, Kozluk, Duke, Branston, Bullock, Fagan, Reid, etc might as well put the entire squad in this list. Once PP has proved his doubters wrong again just as he did in December and February, just as he does with great wins against the likes of Southend, you will just pass the criticism onto someone else. Next it will be Parkin, or the physio. I mean it's ridiculous. Yes PP does some baffling things at times, but who is better qualified to make these decisions: PP who has the backing of Wenger who was touting him as his assistant manager, or us who only see the players for 90 mins. I mean people saying Reid should have been playing yesterday from the start. Well that's what everyone will have wanted including PP, but if he wasn't match fit which it appears he wasn't (and who can blame him for wanting to witness his child's birth, and really Reid will have even more respect for PP for his man management of the situation) but had he played the 90 and was woeful, the criticism PP would have received would just be as viscious as it has been for the last few weeks. Like I say he can't win some of you lot over. For me when he arrived it was a breath of fresh air to having Taylor or Jackson. Taylor was very much about defending and hoped to grab a goal. Jacko, well I don't even know what his tactics were apart from leaking goals faster than a sinking ship. PP sees the value of keeping it tight in defence but also is aware that we do need to create chances. We do this every week. How many times do we hear from the commentators we deserved a draw or a victory, it's nearly every week. Every week we create enough chances to win games. Under Jacko and Taylor it was dire and we deservedly lost games. So apart from PP being on the pitch and scoring the 'guilt edge chances' himself what is he supposed to do apart from coach the players further in training. In the summer I expect him to make additions to the squad in attacking areas with the odd addition at the back. Seriously, some of you on here just have a personal vendetta against the club. As much as I didn't agree with Lawn saying the fans should have bought their season tickets by now, he had a point in saying the negative morons should stay away. I wouldn't be surprised if the negativity on here is by people with multiple usernames, as the overall atmosphere at VP has been good. But whoever it is and whoever you are should to be ashamed. We really do have some fickle supporters. (Waits for abuse.)[/p][/quote]You will definatley get abuse but I agree with every word!!!! and you put it much better then I could. . Like you say it's got to a point where PP can't win because I got the impression that fans where waiting to abuse him for leaving Reid on the bench but if Reid came on and won it late on would PP have received praise for winning it from the bench???? NO he wouldn't. . I'm more then confident that next season will be a successful one with PP at the helm.[/p][/quote]I do agree with a lot of this, but if you have reid who is arguably one of the best left wingers in the league and good enough to play a a league or two higher, he shouldnt be left out to play a very average centre midfielder out of position? I like many others would like to see bradfords in form players play week in and week out and reid is certainly one of the players that has preformed this season. I struggle to think of a game where flynn has played well all season, yet when he has been fit he has played.[/p][/quote]Valid point about Reid but none of us fans know whether he was fit enough or mentally drained from becoming a father......I agree we would have been more dangerous with him playing but PP knows more then us and this was his decisoon to make. Maybe PP thought their biggest threat was in the middle so he tried to win that battle???? PP rates Reid and i'm sure that if he was fit then he would have played rahter then playing a player out of position. .[/p][/quote]I agree also. many of you were saying - if only he would start with Hanson and Well, all our troubles would be over! well they weren't, we still didn't score. the basis of criticism for Monday seems to be that Reid didn't start. his partner has just had a baby for crying out loud. by the sounds of it we should have had something out of the last 2 away games. Personally I think its the finishing that has let us down in these games. And it was disappointing to hear Derm say the problem with our midfield was that none of them ever ran beyond the strikers. This had been one of the season long problems for me and one of the reasons Jones (maybe unfairly) is not a nailed on start. BTW, I am one of the worst for having a go at player but to be fair – it is a comments board![/p][/quote]You could say that about the full backs not getting forward and helping the widemen get further up the pitch. We play to rigid and expect Reid to just get to the byline and cross. Can you imagine compton on the right and Reid on the left. Jones and syers in the centre. That would certainty be a,creative midfield.[/p][/quote]I think it's safe to say that the FB's are told not to be too adventurous. I don't mind this but if thats the case then we need a midfielder (Syers) who will get into the box. Problem then is that you then need the insurance of a Ravenhill who will sit in. Problem then is that no room for Jones who personally I think is our best midfielder because he moves the ball and generally gets us ticking. It's a difficult one because I like all 3 but then that is why you have a squad and different ways of playing throughout the season. . I personally believe we aren't very far off having a very good squad and I like to think that PP is experimenting/tinker ing to find our best way of playing for next season. Only my opinion. I refuse to lay the blame on the manager whenever we lose or when he does something I dont agree with. If that was the case then 46 managers would be sacked every week. gspot01
  • Score: 0

5:46pm Tue 10 Apr 12

prince35 says...

gspot01 wrote:
prince35 wrote:
Victor Clayton wrote:
gspot01 wrote:
claretstripe wrote:
gspot01 wrote:
chin up wrote: PP can't win. If we had still lost playing a different side to the one which beat Southend, he would still had got this negative reaction. Some of you should be ashamed to call yourself supporters. If it isn't the manager it's a certain player, seems Flynn is the target this week. In the past it was Hanson, Oliver, Kozluk, Duke, Branston, Bullock, Fagan, Reid, etc might as well put the entire squad in this list. Once PP has proved his doubters wrong again just as he did in December and February, just as he does with great wins against the likes of Southend, you will just pass the criticism onto someone else. Next it will be Parkin, or the physio. I mean it's ridiculous. Yes PP does some baffling things at times, but who is better qualified to make these decisions: PP who has the backing of Wenger who was touting him as his assistant manager, or us who only see the players for 90 mins. I mean people saying Reid should have been playing yesterday from the start. Well that's what everyone will have wanted including PP, but if he wasn't match fit which it appears he wasn't (and who can blame him for wanting to witness his child's birth, and really Reid will have even more respect for PP for his man management of the situation) but had he played the 90 and was woeful, the criticism PP would have received would just be as viscious as it has been for the last few weeks. Like I say he can't win some of you lot over. For me when he arrived it was a breath of fresh air to having Taylor or Jackson. Taylor was very much about defending and hoped to grab a goal. Jacko, well I don't even know what his tactics were apart from leaking goals faster than a sinking ship. PP sees the value of keeping it tight in defence but also is aware that we do need to create chances. We do this every week. How many times do we hear from the commentators we deserved a draw or a victory, it's nearly every week. Every week we create enough chances to win games. Under Jacko and Taylor it was dire and we deservedly lost games. So apart from PP being on the pitch and scoring the 'guilt edge chances' himself what is he supposed to do apart from coach the players further in training. In the summer I expect him to make additions to the squad in attacking areas with the odd addition at the back. Seriously, some of you on here just have a personal vendetta against the club. As much as I didn't agree with Lawn saying the fans should have bought their season tickets by now, he had a point in saying the negative morons should stay away. I wouldn't be surprised if the negativity on here is by people with multiple usernames, as the overall atmosphere at VP has been good. But whoever it is and whoever you are should to be ashamed. We really do have some fickle supporters. (Waits for abuse.)
You will definatley get abuse but I agree with every word!!!! and you put it much better then I could. . Like you say it's got to a point where PP can't win because I got the impression that fans where waiting to abuse him for leaving Reid on the bench but if Reid came on and won it late on would PP have received praise for winning it from the bench???? NO he wouldn't. . I'm more then confident that next season will be a successful one with PP at the helm.
I do agree with a lot of this, but if you have reid who is arguably one of the best left wingers in the league and good enough to play a a league or two higher, he shouldnt be left out to play a very average centre midfielder out of position? I like many others would like to see bradfords in form players play week in and week out and reid is certainly one of the players that has preformed this season. I struggle to think of a game where flynn has played well all season, yet when he has been fit he has played.
Valid point about Reid but none of us fans know whether he was fit enough or mentally drained from becoming a father......I agree we would have been more dangerous with him playing but PP knows more then us and this was his decisoon to make. Maybe PP thought their biggest threat was in the middle so he tried to win that battle???? PP rates Reid and i'm sure that if he was fit then he would have played rahter then playing a player out of position. .
I agree also. many of you were saying - if only he would start with Hanson and Well, all our troubles would be over! well they weren't, we still didn't score. the basis of criticism for Monday seems to be that Reid didn't start. his partner has just had a baby for crying out loud. by the sounds of it we should have had something out of the last 2 away games. Personally I think its the finishing that has let us down in these games. And it was disappointing to hear Derm say the problem with our midfield was that none of them ever ran beyond the strikers. This had been one of the season long problems for me and one of the reasons Jones (maybe unfairly) is not a nailed on start. BTW, I am one of the worst for having a go at player but to be fair – it is a comments board!
You could say that about the full backs not getting forward and helping the widemen get further up the pitch. We play to rigid and expect Reid to just get to the byline and cross. Can you imagine compton on the right and Reid on the left. Jones and syers in the centre. That would certainty be a,creative midfield.
I think it's safe to say that the FB's are told not to be too adventurous. I don't mind this but if thats the case then we need a midfielder (Syers) who will get into the box. Problem then is that you then need the insurance of a Ravenhill who will sit in. Problem then is that no room for Jones who personally I think is our best midfielder because he moves the ball and generally gets us ticking. It's a difficult one because I like all 3 but then that is why you have a squad and different ways of playing throughout the season.
.
I personally believe we aren't very far off having a very good squad and I like to think that PP is experimenting/tinker

ing to find our best way of playing for next season. Only my opinion. I refuse to lay the blame on the manager whenever we lose or when he does something I dont agree with. If that was the case then 46 managers would be sacked every week.
Tbh I think Jones can play the holding midfielder.
He can tackle and a very good passer of the ball.
Let syers bomb on and get into the box more.
[quote][p][bold]gspot01[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]prince35[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Victor Clayton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gspot01[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]claretstripe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gspot01[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]chin up[/bold] wrote: PP can't win. If we had still lost playing a different side to the one which beat Southend, he would still had got this negative reaction. Some of you should be ashamed to call yourself supporters. If it isn't the manager it's a certain player, seems Flynn is the target this week. In the past it was Hanson, Oliver, Kozluk, Duke, Branston, Bullock, Fagan, Reid, etc might as well put the entire squad in this list. Once PP has proved his doubters wrong again just as he did in December and February, just as he does with great wins against the likes of Southend, you will just pass the criticism onto someone else. Next it will be Parkin, or the physio. I mean it's ridiculous. Yes PP does some baffling things at times, but who is better qualified to make these decisions: PP who has the backing of Wenger who was touting him as his assistant manager, or us who only see the players for 90 mins. I mean people saying Reid should have been playing yesterday from the start. Well that's what everyone will have wanted including PP, but if he wasn't match fit which it appears he wasn't (and who can blame him for wanting to witness his child's birth, and really Reid will have even more respect for PP for his man management of the situation) but had he played the 90 and was woeful, the criticism PP would have received would just be as viscious as it has been for the last few weeks. Like I say he can't win some of you lot over. For me when he arrived it was a breath of fresh air to having Taylor or Jackson. Taylor was very much about defending and hoped to grab a goal. Jacko, well I don't even know what his tactics were apart from leaking goals faster than a sinking ship. PP sees the value of keeping it tight in defence but also is aware that we do need to create chances. We do this every week. How many times do we hear from the commentators we deserved a draw or a victory, it's nearly every week. Every week we create enough chances to win games. Under Jacko and Taylor it was dire and we deservedly lost games. So apart from PP being on the pitch and scoring the 'guilt edge chances' himself what is he supposed to do apart from coach the players further in training. In the summer I expect him to make additions to the squad in attacking areas with the odd addition at the back. Seriously, some of you on here just have a personal vendetta against the club. As much as I didn't agree with Lawn saying the fans should have bought their season tickets by now, he had a point in saying the negative morons should stay away. I wouldn't be surprised if the negativity on here is by people with multiple usernames, as the overall atmosphere at VP has been good. But whoever it is and whoever you are should to be ashamed. We really do have some fickle supporters. (Waits for abuse.)[/p][/quote]You will definatley get abuse but I agree with every word!!!! and you put it much better then I could. . Like you say it's got to a point where PP can't win because I got the impression that fans where waiting to abuse him for leaving Reid on the bench but if Reid came on and won it late on would PP have received praise for winning it from the bench???? NO he wouldn't. . I'm more then confident that next season will be a successful one with PP at the helm.[/p][/quote]I do agree with a lot of this, but if you have reid who is arguably one of the best left wingers in the league and good enough to play a a league or two higher, he shouldnt be left out to play a very average centre midfielder out of position? I like many others would like to see bradfords in form players play week in and week out and reid is certainly one of the players that has preformed this season. I struggle to think of a game where flynn has played well all season, yet when he has been fit he has played.[/p][/quote]Valid point about Reid but none of us fans know whether he was fit enough or mentally drained from becoming a father......I agree we would have been more dangerous with him playing but PP knows more then us and this was his decisoon to make. Maybe PP thought their biggest threat was in the middle so he tried to win that battle???? PP rates Reid and i'm sure that if he was fit then he would have played rahter then playing a player out of position. .[/p][/quote]I agree also. many of you were saying - if only he would start with Hanson and Well, all our troubles would be over! well they weren't, we still didn't score. the basis of criticism for Monday seems to be that Reid didn't start. his partner has just had a baby for crying out loud. by the sounds of it we should have had something out of the last 2 away games. Personally I think its the finishing that has let us down in these games. And it was disappointing to hear Derm say the problem with our midfield was that none of them ever ran beyond the strikers. This had been one of the season long problems for me and one of the reasons Jones (maybe unfairly) is not a nailed on start. BTW, I am one of the worst for having a go at player but to be fair – it is a comments board![/p][/quote]You could say that about the full backs not getting forward and helping the widemen get further up the pitch. We play to rigid and expect Reid to just get to the byline and cross. Can you imagine compton on the right and Reid on the left. Jones and syers in the centre. That would certainty be a,creative midfield.[/p][/quote]I think it's safe to say that the FB's are told not to be too adventurous. I don't mind this but if thats the case then we need a midfielder (Syers) who will get into the box. Problem then is that you then need the insurance of a Ravenhill who will sit in. Problem then is that no room for Jones who personally I think is our best midfielder because he moves the ball and generally gets us ticking. It's a difficult one because I like all 3 but then that is why you have a squad and different ways of playing throughout the season. . I personally believe we aren't very far off having a very good squad and I like to think that PP is experimenting/tinker ing to find our best way of playing for next season. Only my opinion. I refuse to lay the blame on the manager whenever we lose or when he does something I dont agree with. If that was the case then 46 managers would be sacked every week.[/p][/quote]Tbh I think Jones can play the holding midfielder. He can tackle and a very good passer of the ball. Let syers bomb on and get into the box more. prince35
  • Score: 0

5:47pm Tue 10 Apr 12

prince35 says...

gspot01 wrote:
prince35 wrote:
Victor Clayton wrote:
gspot01 wrote:
claretstripe wrote:
gspot01 wrote:
chin up wrote: PP can't win. If we had still lost playing a different side to the one which beat Southend, he would still had got this negative reaction. Some of you should be ashamed to call yourself supporters. If it isn't the manager it's a certain player, seems Flynn is the target this week. In the past it was Hanson, Oliver, Kozluk, Duke, Branston, Bullock, Fagan, Reid, etc might as well put the entire squad in this list. Once PP has proved his doubters wrong again just as he did in December and February, just as he does with great wins against the likes of Southend, you will just pass the criticism onto someone else. Next it will be Parkin, or the physio. I mean it's ridiculous. Yes PP does some baffling things at times, but who is better qualified to make these decisions: PP who has the backing of Wenger who was touting him as his assistant manager, or us who only see the players for 90 mins. I mean people saying Reid should have been playing yesterday from the start. Well that's what everyone will have wanted including PP, but if he wasn't match fit which it appears he wasn't (and who can blame him for wanting to witness his child's birth, and really Reid will have even more respect for PP for his man management of the situation) but had he played the 90 and was woeful, the criticism PP would have received would just be as viscious as it has been for the last few weeks. Like I say he can't win some of you lot over. For me when he arrived it was a breath of fresh air to having Taylor or Jackson. Taylor was very much about defending and hoped to grab a goal. Jacko, well I don't even know what his tactics were apart from leaking goals faster than a sinking ship. PP sees the value of keeping it tight in defence but also is aware that we do need to create chances. We do this every week. How many times do we hear from the commentators we deserved a draw or a victory, it's nearly every week. Every week we create enough chances to win games. Under Jacko and Taylor it was dire and we deservedly lost games. So apart from PP being on the pitch and scoring the 'guilt edge chances' himself what is he supposed to do apart from coach the players further in training. In the summer I expect him to make additions to the squad in attacking areas with the odd addition at the back. Seriously, some of you on here just have a personal vendetta against the club. As much as I didn't agree with Lawn saying the fans should have bought their season tickets by now, he had a point in saying the negative morons should stay away. I wouldn't be surprised if the negativity on here is by people with multiple usernames, as the overall atmosphere at VP has been good. But whoever it is and whoever you are should to be ashamed. We really do have some fickle supporters. (Waits for abuse.)
You will definatley get abuse but I agree with every word!!!! and you put it much better then I could. . Like you say it's got to a point where PP can't win because I got the impression that fans where waiting to abuse him for leaving Reid on the bench but if Reid came on and won it late on would PP have received praise for winning it from the bench???? NO he wouldn't. . I'm more then confident that next season will be a successful one with PP at the helm.
I do agree with a lot of this, but if you have reid who is arguably one of the best left wingers in the league and good enough to play a a league or two higher, he shouldnt be left out to play a very average centre midfielder out of position? I like many others would like to see bradfords in form players play week in and week out and reid is certainly one of the players that has preformed this season. I struggle to think of a game where flynn has played well all season, yet when he has been fit he has played.
Valid point about Reid but none of us fans know whether he was fit enough or mentally drained from becoming a father......I agree we would have been more dangerous with him playing but PP knows more then us and this was his decisoon to make. Maybe PP thought their biggest threat was in the middle so he tried to win that battle???? PP rates Reid and i'm sure that if he was fit then he would have played rahter then playing a player out of position. .
I agree also. many of you were saying - if only he would start with Hanson and Well, all our troubles would be over! well they weren't, we still didn't score. the basis of criticism for Monday seems to be that Reid didn't start. his partner has just had a baby for crying out loud. by the sounds of it we should have had something out of the last 2 away games. Personally I think its the finishing that has let us down in these games. And it was disappointing to hear Derm say the problem with our midfield was that none of them ever ran beyond the strikers. This had been one of the season long problems for me and one of the reasons Jones (maybe unfairly) is not a nailed on start. BTW, I am one of the worst for having a go at player but to be fair – it is a comments board!
You could say that about the full backs not getting forward and helping the widemen get further up the pitch. We play to rigid and expect Reid to just get to the byline and cross. Can you imagine compton on the right and Reid on the left. Jones and syers in the centre. That would certainty be a,creative midfield.
I think it's safe to say that the FB's are told not to be too adventurous. I don't mind this but if thats the case then we need a midfielder (Syers) who will get into the box. Problem then is that you then need the insurance of a Ravenhill who will sit in. Problem then is that no room for Jones who personally I think is our best midfielder because he moves the ball and generally gets us ticking. It's a difficult one because I like all 3 but then that is why you have a squad and different ways of playing throughout the season.
.
I personally believe we aren't very far off having a very good squad and I like to think that PP is experimenting/tinker

ing to find our best way of playing for next season. Only my opinion. I refuse to lay the blame on the manager whenever we lose or when he does something I dont agree with. If that was the case then 46 managers would be sacked every week.
Tbh I think Jones can play the holding midfielder.
He can tackle and a very good passer of the ball.
Let syers bomb on and get into the box more.
[quote][p][bold]gspot01[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]prince35[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Victor Clayton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gspot01[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]claretstripe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gspot01[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]chin up[/bold] wrote: PP can't win. If we had still lost playing a different side to the one which beat Southend, he would still had got this negative reaction. Some of you should be ashamed to call yourself supporters. If it isn't the manager it's a certain player, seems Flynn is the target this week. In the past it was Hanson, Oliver, Kozluk, Duke, Branston, Bullock, Fagan, Reid, etc might as well put the entire squad in this list. Once PP has proved his doubters wrong again just as he did in December and February, just as he does with great wins against the likes of Southend, you will just pass the criticism onto someone else. Next it will be Parkin, or the physio. I mean it's ridiculous. Yes PP does some baffling things at times, but who is better qualified to make these decisions: PP who has the backing of Wenger who was touting him as his assistant manager, or us who only see the players for 90 mins. I mean people saying Reid should have been playing yesterday from the start. Well that's what everyone will have wanted including PP, but if he wasn't match fit which it appears he wasn't (and who can blame him for wanting to witness his child's birth, and really Reid will have even more respect for PP for his man management of the situation) but had he played the 90 and was woeful, the criticism PP would have received would just be as viscious as it has been for the last few weeks. Like I say he can't win some of you lot over. For me when he arrived it was a breath of fresh air to having Taylor or Jackson. Taylor was very much about defending and hoped to grab a goal. Jacko, well I don't even know what his tactics were apart from leaking goals faster than a sinking ship. PP sees the value of keeping it tight in defence but also is aware that we do need to create chances. We do this every week. How many times do we hear from the commentators we deserved a draw or a victory, it's nearly every week. Every week we create enough chances to win games. Under Jacko and Taylor it was dire and we deservedly lost games. So apart from PP being on the pitch and scoring the 'guilt edge chances' himself what is he supposed to do apart from coach the players further in training. In the summer I expect him to make additions to the squad in attacking areas with the odd addition at the back. Seriously, some of you on here just have a personal vendetta against the club. As much as I didn't agree with Lawn saying the fans should have bought their season tickets by now, he had a point in saying the negative morons should stay away. I wouldn't be surprised if the negativity on here is by people with multiple usernames, as the overall atmosphere at VP has been good. But whoever it is and whoever you are should to be ashamed. We really do have some fickle supporters. (Waits for abuse.)[/p][/quote]You will definatley get abuse but I agree with every word!!!! and you put it much better then I could. . Like you say it's got to a point where PP can't win because I got the impression that fans where waiting to abuse him for leaving Reid on the bench but if Reid came on and won it late on would PP have received praise for winning it from the bench???? NO he wouldn't. . I'm more then confident that next season will be a successful one with PP at the helm.[/p][/quote]I do agree with a lot of this, but if you have reid who is arguably one of the best left wingers in the league and good enough to play a a league or two higher, he shouldnt be left out to play a very average centre midfielder out of position? I like many others would like to see bradfords in form players play week in and week out and reid is certainly one of the players that has preformed this season. I struggle to think of a game where flynn has played well all season, yet when he has been fit he has played.[/p][/quote]Valid point about Reid but none of us fans know whether he was fit enough or mentally drained from becoming a father......I agree we would have been more dangerous with him playing but PP knows more then us and this was his decisoon to make. Maybe PP thought their biggest threat was in the middle so he tried to win that battle???? PP rates Reid and i'm sure that if he was fit then he would have played rahter then playing a player out of position. .[/p][/quote]I agree also. many of you were saying - if only he would start with Hanson and Well, all our troubles would be over! well they weren't, we still didn't score. the basis of criticism for Monday seems to be that Reid didn't start. his partner has just had a baby for crying out loud. by the sounds of it we should have had something out of the last 2 away games. Personally I think its the finishing that has let us down in these games. And it was disappointing to hear Derm say the problem with our midfield was that none of them ever ran beyond the strikers. This had been one of the season long problems for me and one of the reasons Jones (maybe unfairly) is not a nailed on start. BTW, I am one of the worst for having a go at player but to be fair – it is a comments board![/p][/quote]You could say that about the full backs not getting forward and helping the widemen get further up the pitch. We play to rigid and expect Reid to just get to the byline and cross. Can you imagine compton on the right and Reid on the left. Jones and syers in the centre. That would certainty be a,creative midfield.[/p][/quote]I think it's safe to say that the FB's are told not to be too adventurous. I don't mind this but if thats the case then we need a midfielder (Syers) who will get into the box. Problem then is that you then need the insurance of a Ravenhill who will sit in. Problem then is that no room for Jones who personally I think is our best midfielder because he moves the ball and generally gets us ticking. It's a difficult one because I like all 3 but then that is why you have a squad and different ways of playing throughout the season. . I personally believe we aren't very far off having a very good squad and I like to think that PP is experimenting/tinker ing to find our best way of playing for next season. Only my opinion. I refuse to lay the blame on the manager whenever we lose or when he does something I dont agree with. If that was the case then 46 managers would be sacked every week.[/p][/quote]Tbh I think Jones can play the holding midfielder. He can tackle and a very good passer of the ball. Let syers bomb on and get into the box more. prince35
  • Score: 0

5:51pm Tue 10 Apr 12

Village Bantam says...

chin up wrote:
PP can't win. If we had still lost playing a different side to the one which beat Southend, he would still had got this negative reaction. Some of you should be ashamed to call yourself supporters. If it isn't the manager it's a certain player, seems Flynn is the target this week. In the past it was Hanson, Oliver, Kozluk, Duke, Branston, Bullock, Fagan, Reid, etc might as well put the entire squad in this list. Once PP has proved his doubters wrong again just as he did in December and February, just as he does with great wins against the likes of Southend, you will just pass the criticism onto someone else. Next it will be Parkin, or the physio. I mean it's ridiculous. Yes PP does some baffling things at times, but who is better qualified to make these decisions: PP who has the backing of Wenger who was touting him as his assistant manager, or us who only see the players for 90 mins. I mean people saying Reid should have been playing yesterday from the start. Well that's what everyone will have wanted including PP, but if he wasn't match fit which it appears he wasn't (and who can blame him for wanting to witness his child's birth, and really Reid will have even more respect for PP for his man management of the situation) but had he played the 90 and was woeful, the criticism PP would have received would just be as viscious as it has been for the last few weeks. Like I say he can't win some of you lot over.

For me when he arrived it was a breath of fresh air to having Taylor or Jackson. Taylor was very much about defending and hoped to grab a goal. Jacko, well I don't even know what his tactics were apart from leaking goals faster than a sinking ship. PP sees the value of keeping it tight in defence but also is aware that we do need to create chances. We do this every week. How many times do we hear from the commentators we deserved a draw or a victory, it's nearly every week. Every week we create enough chances to win games. Under Jacko and Taylor it was dire and we deservedly lost games. So apart from PP being on the pitch and scoring the 'guilt edge chances' himself what is he supposed to do apart from coach the players further in training. In the summer I expect him to make additions to the squad in attacking areas with the odd addition at the back. Seriously, some of you on here just have a personal vendetta against the club. As much as I didn't agree with Lawn saying the fans should have bought their season tickets by now, he had a point in saying the negative morons should stay away. I wouldn't be surprised if the negativity on here is by people with multiple usernames, as the overall atmosphere at VP has been good. But whoever it is and whoever you are should to be ashamed. We really do have some fickle supporters. (Waits for abuse.)
Spot on Fella!
[quote][p][bold]chin up[/bold] wrote: PP can't win. If we had still lost playing a different side to the one which beat Southend, he would still had got this negative reaction. Some of you should be ashamed to call yourself supporters. If it isn't the manager it's a certain player, seems Flynn is the target this week. In the past it was Hanson, Oliver, Kozluk, Duke, Branston, Bullock, Fagan, Reid, etc might as well put the entire squad in this list. Once PP has proved his doubters wrong again just as he did in December and February, just as he does with great wins against the likes of Southend, you will just pass the criticism onto someone else. Next it will be Parkin, or the physio. I mean it's ridiculous. Yes PP does some baffling things at times, but who is better qualified to make these decisions: PP who has the backing of Wenger who was touting him as his assistant manager, or us who only see the players for 90 mins. I mean people saying Reid should have been playing yesterday from the start. Well that's what everyone will have wanted including PP, but if he wasn't match fit which it appears he wasn't (and who can blame him for wanting to witness his child's birth, and really Reid will have even more respect for PP for his man management of the situation) but had he played the 90 and was woeful, the criticism PP would have received would just be as viscious as it has been for the last few weeks. Like I say he can't win some of you lot over. For me when he arrived it was a breath of fresh air to having Taylor or Jackson. Taylor was very much about defending and hoped to grab a goal. Jacko, well I don't even know what his tactics were apart from leaking goals faster than a sinking ship. PP sees the value of keeping it tight in defence but also is aware that we do need to create chances. We do this every week. How many times do we hear from the commentators we deserved a draw or a victory, it's nearly every week. Every week we create enough chances to win games. Under Jacko and Taylor it was dire and we deservedly lost games. So apart from PP being on the pitch and scoring the 'guilt edge chances' himself what is he supposed to do apart from coach the players further in training. In the summer I expect him to make additions to the squad in attacking areas with the odd addition at the back. Seriously, some of you on here just have a personal vendetta against the club. As much as I didn't agree with Lawn saying the fans should have bought their season tickets by now, he had a point in saying the negative morons should stay away. I wouldn't be surprised if the negativity on here is by people with multiple usernames, as the overall atmosphere at VP has been good. But whoever it is and whoever you are should to be ashamed. We really do have some fickle supporters. (Waits for abuse.)[/p][/quote]Spot on Fella! Village Bantam
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5:59pm Tue 10 Apr 12

Village Bantam says...

Another thing to bear in mind in defence of PP, is that the quality of players he attracts and is able to spot is superb.
The board failed to sign Benson in January, stating that they couldn't take a risk with £150k because he had an old injury, yet Charlton were so desperate to offload him that they allowed Benson to go out on loan - so why didn't we loan him? Di Canio says Benson is the best signing he's ever made and he's scored something like 11 goals since January.

Had PP have got his man, then we might have been closer to the play offs than the drop zone.

Also bear in mind, that we've genuinely lost around 20 points to shocking refereeing decisions this season - add them to our tally and see where that puts us.

PP isn't far off but he joined us near the end of the transfer window when nearly all the best players available to sign had already been snapped up.

Given his eye for talent and his persuasion skills, I bet we're in for a few surprise signings this summer.

Give the man a chance.
Another thing to bear in mind in defence of PP, is that the quality of players he attracts and is able to spot is superb. The board failed to sign Benson in January, stating that they couldn't take a risk with £150k because he had an old injury, yet Charlton were so desperate to offload him that they allowed Benson to go out on loan - so why didn't we loan him? Di Canio says Benson is the best signing he's ever made and he's scored something like 11 goals since January. Had PP have got his man, then we might have been closer to the play offs than the drop zone. Also bear in mind, that we've genuinely lost around 20 points to shocking refereeing decisions this season - add them to our tally and see where that puts us. PP isn't far off but he joined us near the end of the transfer window when nearly all the best players available to sign had already been snapped up. Given his eye for talent and his persuasion skills, I bet we're in for a few surprise signings this summer. Give the man a chance. Village Bantam
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7:08pm Tue 10 Apr 12

parader no1 says...

Give him a chance????? He has used jover 40 players this season and where are we ? Worse off than when he came in. As already stated Mitchel is better than Kozluk, Atkinson, Haworth (where has he gone) yet cant get a game
Give him a chance????? He has used jover 40 players this season and where are we ? Worse off than when he came in. As already stated Mitchel is better than Kozluk, Atkinson, Haworth (where has he gone) yet cant get a game parader no1
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7:09pm Tue 10 Apr 12

northyorksbantam says...

Village Bantam wrote:
Another thing to bear in mind in defence of PP, is that the quality of players he attracts and is able to spot is superb. The board failed to sign Benson in January, stating that they couldn't take a risk with £150k because he had an old injury, yet Charlton were so desperate to offload him that they allowed Benson to go out on loan - so why didn't we loan him? Di Canio says Benson is the best signing he's ever made and he's scored something like 11 goals since January. Had PP have got his man, then we might have been closer to the play offs than the drop zone. Also bear in mind, that we've genuinely lost around 20 points to shocking refereeing decisions this season - add them to our tally and see where that puts us. PP isn't far off but he joined us near the end of the transfer window when nearly all the best players available to sign had already been snapped up. Given his eye for talent and his persuasion skills, I bet we're in for a few surprise signings this summer. Give the man a chance.
Superb? Are you serious? We're 4th bottom? I can think of Davies and Reid of the cast of thousands PP has brought in that have been genuinely good signings. As Davies has come from the premier league and earns 20x more than the average league 2 player I would expect nothing else. Ravenhill, Seip have been OK and improved us to a smaller extent, although I would question whether Ravenhill was actually needed, though if PP will point blank not play certain players then I guess he was. Devitt added something and I would have kept him on till end of the season but not sure PP realised he was a bit of a flair player, as he didnt stop, and got Will Atkinson instead, enough said.

PP has worked with Benson and Reid before so would be well aware of them, Benson didn't come for straight forward reasons. As for the rest well I sometimes wonder whether PP actually watched them or was taken for a mug by players agents. There are loads of comparisons looking at what PP had to what he replaced them with, and its not very favourable.

I know the ref's have been poor but to say they cost us 20 points is a bit OTT as well.
[quote][p][bold]Village Bantam[/bold] wrote: Another thing to bear in mind in defence of PP, is that the quality of players he attracts and is able to spot is superb. The board failed to sign Benson in January, stating that they couldn't take a risk with £150k because he had an old injury, yet Charlton were so desperate to offload him that they allowed Benson to go out on loan - so why didn't we loan him? Di Canio says Benson is the best signing he's ever made and he's scored something like 11 goals since January. Had PP have got his man, then we might have been closer to the play offs than the drop zone. Also bear in mind, that we've genuinely lost around 20 points to shocking refereeing decisions this season - add them to our tally and see where that puts us. PP isn't far off but he joined us near the end of the transfer window when nearly all the best players available to sign had already been snapped up. Given his eye for talent and his persuasion skills, I bet we're in for a few surprise signings this summer. Give the man a chance.[/p][/quote]Superb? Are you serious? We're 4th bottom? I can think of Davies and Reid of the cast of thousands PP has brought in that have been genuinely good signings. As Davies has come from the premier league and earns 20x more than the average league 2 player I would expect nothing else. Ravenhill, Seip have been OK and improved us to a smaller extent, although I would question whether Ravenhill was actually needed, though if PP will point blank not play certain players then I guess he was. Devitt added something and I would have kept him on till end of the season but not sure PP realised he was a bit of a flair player, as he didnt stop, and got Will Atkinson instead, enough said. PP has worked with Benson and Reid before so would be well aware of them, Benson didn't come for straight forward reasons. As for the rest well I sometimes wonder whether PP actually watched them or was taken for a mug by players agents. There are loads of comparisons looking at what PP had to what he replaced them with, and its not very favourable. I know the ref's have been poor but to say they cost us 20 points is a bit OTT as well. northyorksbantam
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7:09pm Tue 10 Apr 12

parader no1 says...

I forgot to add, where are these signings coming from ? Apparrantly season tickest sales have plummeted
I forgot to add, where are these signings coming from ? Apparrantly season tickest sales have plummeted parader no1
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7:11pm Tue 10 Apr 12

prince35 says...

Village Bantam wrote:
Another thing to bear in mind in defence of PP, is that the quality of players he attracts and is able to spot is superb.
The board failed to sign Benson in January, stating that they couldn't take a risk with £150k because he had an old injury, yet Charlton were so desperate to offload him that they allowed Benson to go out on loan - so why didn't we loan him? Di Canio says Benson is the best signing he's ever made and he's scored something like 11 goals since January.

Had PP have got his man, then we might have been closer to the play offs than the drop zone.

Also bear in mind, that we've genuinely lost around 20 points to shocking refereeing decisions this season - add them to our tally and see where that puts us.

PP isn't far off but he joined us near the end of the transfer window when nearly all the best players available to sign had already been snapped up.

Given his eye for talent and his persuasion skills, I bet we're in for a few surprise signings this summer.

Give the man a chance.
Village bantam.
More like the village idiot.
When you say Parky has an eye for a player what do you mean?.
Reid,Davis,seip,Rave
nhill,are experienced pro's anybody can see there good players.
Fagen was struggling for fitness due to the injury he suffered.
Benson, what makes you think he would have given us a play off place???.
Dagnall has a good goal scoring record at this level and only 1 goal he's scored.
No the style and rigid formation is stopping bradford cty moving up the table.
Also rotherham move into a new stadium , have a new manager, I think they may sell more season tkts than cty.
Will Steve Evans get 7 months to assess his squad??? I think not
[quote][p][bold]Village Bantam[/bold] wrote: Another thing to bear in mind in defence of PP, is that the quality of players he attracts and is able to spot is superb. The board failed to sign Benson in January, stating that they couldn't take a risk with £150k because he had an old injury, yet Charlton were so desperate to offload him that they allowed Benson to go out on loan - so why didn't we loan him? Di Canio says Benson is the best signing he's ever made and he's scored something like 11 goals since January. Had PP have got his man, then we might have been closer to the play offs than the drop zone. Also bear in mind, that we've genuinely lost around 20 points to shocking refereeing decisions this season - add them to our tally and see where that puts us. PP isn't far off but he joined us near the end of the transfer window when nearly all the best players available to sign had already been snapped up. Given his eye for talent and his persuasion skills, I bet we're in for a few surprise signings this summer. Give the man a chance.[/p][/quote]Village bantam. More like the village idiot. When you say Parky has an eye for a player what do you mean?. Reid,Davis,seip,Rave nhill,are experienced pro's anybody can see there good players. Fagen was struggling for fitness due to the injury he suffered. Benson, what makes you think he would have given us a play off place???. Dagnall has a good goal scoring record at this level and only 1 goal he's scored. No the style and rigid formation is stopping bradford cty moving up the table. Also rotherham move into a new stadium , have a new manager, I think they may sell more season tkts than cty. Will Steve Evans get 7 months to assess his squad??? I think not prince35
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7:35pm Tue 10 Apr 12

Citytilidie says...

Rotherham sell more tickets than city don't think so pal u get more int toilets at half time at city than Rotherham can manage
Rotherham sell more tickets than city don't think so pal u get more int toilets at half time at city than Rotherham can manage Citytilidie
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8:44pm Tue 10 Apr 12

Village Bantam says...

I think many other L2 managers would have struggled to get the likes of Fagan, Reid, Davies & Seip to their club but PP has a great reputation from within the game - you know by people who actually know what they're talking about.

You might argue that some of the players that have come in haven't performed, such as Duke or Fagan and a few more but they all looked great signings on paper beforehand and we raved about most of them when they came in yet they've not been at their best.

Like I mentioned earlier - he didn't even get to pick from all that was available, just all that was left.

He might have known a few of them beforehand but he'd also been scouting for Arsenal too, so he's definitely got an eye for a player.

Yes he probably signed a few such as Howarth that he didn't know too much about and they were probably knee jerk signings at a time when Reid was out and there were no one left on the market but Howarth had played nearly every game last season for Bury and they went up!

I like Ravenhill, no thrills but he plugs away - every team needs one.

Don't forget he plugged a leaky defence by signing the likes of Seip, Davies and yes Kozluk but Kozluk has played almost his entire career in the Championship - I thought it was a good signing at the time and although he's been a little shaky especially since out of position on the left, you couldn't really (without hindsight) say these players weren't going to perform before signing.

Reid's the standout and I expect more players of his calibre come the summer.

I certainly don't think 20 points lost by referees is exaggerating.

I remember a few off the top of my head but there were more, however, we lost 2 points to Gillingham away when we had a goal wrongly ruled offside, then obviously another 2 points when they came back to our place.
Macclesfield away, a really dodgy penalty was given to them and we had a player sent off too and near the end our shout for a clear cut penalty got turned down. You could argue all 3 points were lost that night but even if you want to count 1, then that's 5 points from those 3 games, then you've got 3 dropped at Wimbledon terrible officiating giving them 2 penalties that weren't and sending Fagan off (yes he was silly but his first yellow was a joke) - we're were getting on top at that point and at 1-1 and we were in good for - this game is where every thing's gone wrong for me and that was a referee's fault not PP. I could get the fixture list out and keep on counting but I think you get the point.
I think many other L2 managers would have struggled to get the likes of Fagan, Reid, Davies & Seip to their club but PP has a great reputation from within the game - you know by people who actually know what they're talking about. You might argue that some of the players that have come in haven't performed, such as Duke or Fagan and a few more but they all looked great signings on paper beforehand and we raved about most of them when they came in yet they've not been at their best. Like I mentioned earlier - he didn't even get to pick from all that was available, just all that was left. He might have known a few of them beforehand but he'd also been scouting for Arsenal too, so he's definitely got an eye for a player. Yes he probably signed a few such as Howarth that he didn't know too much about and they were probably knee jerk signings at a time when Reid was out and there were no one left on the market but Howarth had played nearly every game last season for Bury and they went up! I like Ravenhill, no thrills but he plugs away - every team needs one. Don't forget he plugged a leaky defence by signing the likes of Seip, Davies and yes Kozluk but Kozluk has played almost his entire career in the Championship - I thought it was a good signing at the time and although he's been a little shaky especially since out of position on the left, you couldn't really (without hindsight) say these players weren't going to perform before signing. Reid's the standout and I expect more players of his calibre come the summer. I certainly don't think 20 points lost by referees is exaggerating. I remember a few off the top of my head but there were more, however, we lost 2 points to Gillingham away when we had a goal wrongly ruled offside, then obviously another 2 points when they came back to our place. Macclesfield away, a really dodgy penalty was given to them and we had a player sent off too and near the end our shout for a clear cut penalty got turned down. You could argue all 3 points were lost that night but even if you want to count 1, then that's 5 points from those 3 games, then you've got 3 dropped at Wimbledon terrible officiating giving them 2 penalties that weren't and sending Fagan off (yes he was silly but his first yellow was a joke) - we're were getting on top at that point and at 1-1 and we were in good for - this game is where every thing's gone wrong for me and that was a referee's fault not PP. I could get the fixture list out and keep on counting but I think you get the point. Village Bantam
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8:50pm Tue 10 Apr 12

340stopper says...

Village Bantam wrote:
Another thing to bear in mind in defence of PP, is that the quality of players he attracts and is able to spot is superb. The board failed to sign Benson in January, stating that they couldn't take a risk with £150k because he had an old injury, yet Charlton were so desperate to offload him that they allowed Benson to go out on loan - so why didn't we loan him? Di Canio says Benson is the best signing he's ever made and he's scored something like 11 goals since January. Had PP have got his man, then we might have been closer to the play offs than the drop zone. Also bear in mind, that we've genuinely lost around 20 points to shocking refereeing decisions this season - add them to our tally and see where that puts us. PP isn't far off but he joined us near the end of the transfer window when nearly all the best players available to sign had already been snapped up. Given his eye for talent and his persuasion skills, I bet we're in for a few surprise signings this summer. Give the man a chance.
The quality of players he attracts is superb - so why are we still no higher in the leaque ?
We have also gained points as well as loosing them,swings and roundabouts.
PP does have persuasion skills he appears to be convincing some supporters how well we are doing with a much improved side.
If PP is still with us next season i too am sure we will be suprised in the summer with his next batch of signings/loanee's.
But not his tactics.
Can't wait.
[quote][p][bold]Village Bantam[/bold] wrote: Another thing to bear in mind in defence of PP, is that the quality of players he attracts and is able to spot is superb. The board failed to sign Benson in January, stating that they couldn't take a risk with £150k because he had an old injury, yet Charlton were so desperate to offload him that they allowed Benson to go out on loan - so why didn't we loan him? Di Canio says Benson is the best signing he's ever made and he's scored something like 11 goals since January. Had PP have got his man, then we might have been closer to the play offs than the drop zone. Also bear in mind, that we've genuinely lost around 20 points to shocking refereeing decisions this season - add them to our tally and see where that puts us. PP isn't far off but he joined us near the end of the transfer window when nearly all the best players available to sign had already been snapped up. Given his eye for talent and his persuasion skills, I bet we're in for a few surprise signings this summer. Give the man a chance.[/p][/quote]The quality of players he attracts is superb - so why are we still no higher in the leaque ? We have also gained points as well as loosing them,swings and roundabouts. PP does have persuasion skills he appears to be convincing some supporters how well we are doing with a much improved side. If PP is still with us next season i too am sure we will be suprised in the summer with his next batch of signings/loanee's. But not his tactics. Can't wait. 340stopper
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11:13pm Tue 10 Apr 12

Thee Voice of Reason says...

Village Bantam wrote:
Another thing to bear in mind in defence of PP, is that the quality of players he attracts and is able to spot is superb.
The board failed to sign Benson in January, stating that they couldn't take a risk with £150k because he had an old injury, yet Charlton were so desperate to offload him that they allowed Benson to go out on loan - so why didn't we loan him? Di Canio says Benson is the best signing he's ever made and he's scored something like 11 goals since January.

Had PP have got his man, then we might have been closer to the play offs than the drop zone.

Also bear in mind, that we've genuinely lost around 20 points to shocking refereeing decisions this season - add them to our tally and see where that puts us.

PP isn't far off but he joined us near the end of the transfer window when nearly all the best players available to sign had already been snapped up.

Given his eye for talent and his persuasion skills, I bet we're in for a few surprise signings this summer.

Give the man a chance.
You honestly think we have been cheated of 20 points.
Take off those claret and amber glasses and accept we are where we are because we aren't that good.
[quote][p][bold]Village Bantam[/bold] wrote: Another thing to bear in mind in defence of PP, is that the quality of players he attracts and is able to spot is superb. The board failed to sign Benson in January, stating that they couldn't take a risk with £150k because he had an old injury, yet Charlton were so desperate to offload him that they allowed Benson to go out on loan - so why didn't we loan him? Di Canio says Benson is the best signing he's ever made and he's scored something like 11 goals since January. Had PP have got his man, then we might have been closer to the play offs than the drop zone. Also bear in mind, that we've genuinely lost around 20 points to shocking refereeing decisions this season - add them to our tally and see where that puts us. PP isn't far off but he joined us near the end of the transfer window when nearly all the best players available to sign had already been snapped up. Given his eye for talent and his persuasion skills, I bet we're in for a few surprise signings this summer. Give the man a chance.[/p][/quote]You honestly think we have been cheated of 20 points. Take off those claret and amber glasses and accept we are where we are because we aren't that good. Thee Voice of Reason
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11:53pm Tue 10 Apr 12

chin up says...

I would also like to add we were unfortunate in December and February not to pull further clear from the relegation zone. Had others not had a decent run we would have been looking at a mid-table finish. This could be seen as a bit of an excuse but is plausible, however, the players may have had a bit of negative reaction to not being able to pull away. A sort of 'what more do we need to do' feeling.

There was never the rest bite that Bristol Rovers got, but that was because we had a terrible start to the season (including a few of PP's first games.) The poor start cost us dearly in terms of the confidence throughout the club, and we have always been playing catch up. This then snowballs with pressure from 10000 supporters per home game, poor results, poor decisions from refs, and then finally they build some confidence with 2 very good runs, yet we could not get that breathing space.

As for the rest of season it's a case of one more win and we will be safe. An extra incentive for the Mac game will be to send them mathematically down. Incidently the players should be making a point that they want to stay (specifically those whose contracts are due to expire) and short-term objectives should be set. E.g. Hanson to reach 15-20 goals, Wells to reach 10+, Midfielders to make 'x' amount of assists and defence/keepers to keep clean sheets.

Confidence is a massive part to success in this league. It will be imperitive that we have a decent start next season, but I do think the core spine of the team is off good quality. We just need the odd extra 'special' quality a Reid/Wells or two. Someone who can do something out of the blue.
I would also like to add we were unfortunate in December and February not to pull further clear from the relegation zone. Had others not had a decent run we would have been looking at a mid-table finish. This could be seen as a bit of an excuse but is plausible, however, the players may have had a bit of negative reaction to not being able to pull away. A sort of 'what more do we need to do' feeling. There was never the rest bite that Bristol Rovers got, but that was because we had a terrible start to the season (including a few of PP's first games.) The poor start cost us dearly in terms of the confidence throughout the club, and we have always been playing catch up. This then snowballs with pressure from 10000 supporters per home game, poor results, poor decisions from refs, and then finally they build some confidence with 2 very good runs, yet we could not get that breathing space. As for the rest of season it's a case of one more win and we will be safe. An extra incentive for the Mac game will be to send them mathematically down. Incidently the players should be making a point that they want to stay (specifically those whose contracts are due to expire) and short-term objectives should be set. E.g. Hanson to reach 15-20 goals, Wells to reach 10+, Midfielders to make 'x' amount of assists and defence/keepers to keep clean sheets. Confidence is a massive part to success in this league. It will be imperitive that we have a decent start next season, but I do think the core spine of the team is off good quality. We just need the odd extra 'special' quality a Reid/Wells or two. Someone who can do something out of the blue. chin up
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11:54pm Tue 10 Apr 12

dannbradfc says...

chin up wrote:
PP can't win. If we had still lost playing a different side to the one which beat Southend, he would still had got this negative reaction. Some of you should be ashamed to call yourself supporters. If it isn't the manager it's a certain player, seems Flynn is the target this week. In the past it was Hanson, Oliver, Kozluk, Duke, Branston, Bullock, Fagan, Reid, etc might as well put the entire squad in this list. Once PP has proved his doubters wrong again just as he did in December and February, just as he does with great wins against the likes of Southend, you will just pass the criticism onto someone else. Next it will be Parkin, or the physio. I mean it's ridiculous. Yes PP does some baffling things at times, but who is better qualified to make these decisions: PP who has the backing of Wenger who was touting him as his assistant manager, or us who only see the players for 90 mins. I mean people saying Reid should have been playing yesterday from the start. Well that's what everyone will have wanted including PP, but if he wasn't match fit which it appears he wasn't (and who can blame him for wanting to witness his child's birth, and really Reid will have even more respect for PP for his man management of the situation) but had he played the 90 and was woeful, the criticism PP would have received would just be as viscious as it has been for the last few weeks. Like I say he can't win some of you lot over.

For me when he arrived it was a breath of fresh air to having Taylor or Jackson. Taylor was very much about defending and hoped to grab a goal. Jacko, well I don't even know what his tactics were apart from leaking goals faster than a sinking ship. PP sees the value of keeping it tight in defence but also is aware that we do need to create chances. We do this every week. How many times do we hear from the commentators we deserved a draw or a victory, it's nearly every week. Every week we create enough chances to win games. Under Jacko and Taylor it was dire and we deservedly lost games. So apart from PP being on the pitch and scoring the 'guilt edge chances' himself what is he supposed to do apart from coach the players further in training. In the summer I expect him to make additions to the squad in attacking areas with the odd addition at the back. Seriously, some of you on here just have a personal vendetta against the club. As much as I didn't agree with Lawn saying the fans should have bought their season tickets by now, he had a point in saying the negative morons should stay away. I wouldn't be surprised if the negativity on here is by people with multiple usernames, as the overall atmosphere at VP has been good. But whoever it is and whoever you are should to be ashamed. We really do have some fickle supporters. (Waits for abuse.)
Jackson was getting there and whatever the circumstances of his resignation it came too early. He didn't leak goals as you suggest as he was working out what the side could do go back and look. And whilst your at it please notice that Parkinson has also conceded three goals in games on a few occasions despit setting up to be defensive. jacksons team played imo far more attractive football, attacking football, positive football than Parkinson who is only marginally less negative than taylor.

I do think that Parkinson has enabled us to be stronger as a unit defensively but at times this has come at the expense of any attacking threat. So depends what you'd rather see because Parky's position in the league is no better than the others you describe and attack......
[quote][p][bold]chin up[/bold] wrote: PP can't win. If we had still lost playing a different side to the one which beat Southend, he would still had got this negative reaction. Some of you should be ashamed to call yourself supporters. If it isn't the manager it's a certain player, seems Flynn is the target this week. In the past it was Hanson, Oliver, Kozluk, Duke, Branston, Bullock, Fagan, Reid, etc might as well put the entire squad in this list. Once PP has proved his doubters wrong again just as he did in December and February, just as he does with great wins against the likes of Southend, you will just pass the criticism onto someone else. Next it will be Parkin, or the physio. I mean it's ridiculous. Yes PP does some baffling things at times, but who is better qualified to make these decisions: PP who has the backing of Wenger who was touting him as his assistant manager, or us who only see the players for 90 mins. I mean people saying Reid should have been playing yesterday from the start. Well that's what everyone will have wanted including PP, but if he wasn't match fit which it appears he wasn't (and who can blame him for wanting to witness his child's birth, and really Reid will have even more respect for PP for his man management of the situation) but had he played the 90 and was woeful, the criticism PP would have received would just be as viscious as it has been for the last few weeks. Like I say he can't win some of you lot over. For me when he arrived it was a breath of fresh air to having Taylor or Jackson. Taylor was very much about defending and hoped to grab a goal. Jacko, well I don't even know what his tactics were apart from leaking goals faster than a sinking ship. PP sees the value of keeping it tight in defence but also is aware that we do need to create chances. We do this every week. How many times do we hear from the commentators we deserved a draw or a victory, it's nearly every week. Every week we create enough chances to win games. Under Jacko and Taylor it was dire and we deservedly lost games. So apart from PP being on the pitch and scoring the 'guilt edge chances' himself what is he supposed to do apart from coach the players further in training. In the summer I expect him to make additions to the squad in attacking areas with the odd addition at the back. Seriously, some of you on here just have a personal vendetta against the club. As much as I didn't agree with Lawn saying the fans should have bought their season tickets by now, he had a point in saying the negative morons should stay away. I wouldn't be surprised if the negativity on here is by people with multiple usernames, as the overall atmosphere at VP has been good. But whoever it is and whoever you are should to be ashamed. We really do have some fickle supporters. (Waits for abuse.)[/p][/quote]Jackson was getting there and whatever the circumstances of his resignation it came too early. He didn't leak goals as you suggest as he was working out what the side could do go back and look. And whilst your at it please notice that Parkinson has also conceded three goals in games on a few occasions despit setting up to be defensive. jacksons team played imo far more attractive football, attacking football, positive football than Parkinson who is only marginally less negative than taylor. I do think that Parkinson has enabled us to be stronger as a unit defensively but at times this has come at the expense of any attacking threat. So depends what you'd rather see because Parky's position in the league is no better than the others you describe and attack...... dannbradfc
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8:37am Wed 11 Apr 12

macca1969 says...

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
Village Bantam wrote:
Another thing to bear in mind in defence of PP, is that the quality of players he attracts and is able to spot is superb.
The board failed to sign Benson in January, stating that they couldn't take a risk with £150k because he had an old injury, yet Charlton were so desperate to offload him that they allowed Benson to go out on loan - so why didn't we loan him? Di Canio says Benson is the best signing he's ever made and he's scored something like 11 goals since January.

Had PP have got his man, then we might have been closer to the play offs than the drop zone.

Also bear in mind, that we've genuinely lost around 20 points to shocking refereeing decisions this season - add them to our tally and see where that puts us.

PP isn't far off but he joined us near the end of the transfer window when nearly all the best players available to sign had already been snapped up.

Given his eye for talent and his persuasion skills, I bet we're in for a few surprise signings this summer.

Give the man a chance.
You honestly think we have been cheated of 20 points.
Take off those claret and amber glasses and accept we are where we are because we aren't that good.
If he does have an eye for talent maybe he should be a scout. His record at coaching doesn't seem all that great looking at our league position and players he has at his disposal.

Also you must be biased to think we have lost twenty points because of refs. Yes we have had a raw deal but so have other clubs. I can think of devitt winning a few penalties that weren't also wells last week was a software one with a sending off too. I'm sure your right we have had more lost than gained because of officials but not to the tune of twenty points.
[quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Village Bantam[/bold] wrote: Another thing to bear in mind in defence of PP, is that the quality of players he attracts and is able to spot is superb. The board failed to sign Benson in January, stating that they couldn't take a risk with £150k because he had an old injury, yet Charlton were so desperate to offload him that they allowed Benson to go out on loan - so why didn't we loan him? Di Canio says Benson is the best signing he's ever made and he's scored something like 11 goals since January. Had PP have got his man, then we might have been closer to the play offs than the drop zone. Also bear in mind, that we've genuinely lost around 20 points to shocking refereeing decisions this season - add them to our tally and see where that puts us. PP isn't far off but he joined us near the end of the transfer window when nearly all the best players available to sign had already been snapped up. Given his eye for talent and his persuasion skills, I bet we're in for a few surprise signings this summer. Give the man a chance.[/p][/quote]You honestly think we have been cheated of 20 points. Take off those claret and amber glasses and accept we are where we are because we aren't that good.[/p][/quote]If he does have an eye for talent maybe he should be a scout. His record at coaching doesn't seem all that great looking at our league position and players he has at his disposal. Also you must be biased to think we have lost twenty points because of refs. Yes we have had a raw deal but so have other clubs. I can think of devitt winning a few penalties that weren't also wells last week was a software one with a sending off too. I'm sure your right we have had more lost than gained because of officials but not to the tune of twenty points. macca1969
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12:29pm Wed 11 Apr 12

Village Bantam says...

macca1969 wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
Village Bantam wrote:
Another thing to bear in mind in defence of PP, is that the quality of players he attracts and is able to spot is superb.
The board failed to sign Benson in January, stating that they couldn't take a risk with £150k because he had an old injury, yet Charlton were so desperate to offload him that they allowed Benson to go out on loan - so why didn't we loan him? Di Canio says Benson is the best signing he's ever made and he's scored something like 11 goals since January.

Had PP have got his man, then we might have been closer to the play offs than the drop zone.

Also bear in mind, that we've genuinely lost around 20 points to shocking refereeing decisions this season - add them to our tally and see where that puts us.

PP isn't far off but he joined us near the end of the transfer window when nearly all the best players available to sign had already been snapped up.

Given his eye for talent and his persuasion skills, I bet we're in for a few surprise signings this summer.

Give the man a chance.
You honestly think we have been cheated of 20 points.
Take off those claret and amber glasses and accept we are where we are because we aren't that good.
If he does have an eye for talent maybe he should be a scout. His record at coaching doesn't seem all that great looking at our league position and players he has at his disposal.

Also you must be biased to think we have lost twenty points because of refs. Yes we have had a raw deal but so have other clubs. I can think of devitt winning a few penalties that weren't also wells last week was a software one with a sending off too. I'm sure your right we have had more lost than gained because of officials but not to the tune of twenty points.
Of course I'm biased but I don't think I'm exaggerating with the points loss. I'm sure for the other clubs it has been the old cliche of the decisions evening themselves out over a season but the Nakhi penalty from last week was a standard penalty in today's climate, the red card a little harsh but we were already winning at that point and looking the better team so we didn't really gain from that. Devitt as far as I remember got us a penalty against Northampton which was soft and gained us 2 points in the process but other than that I rarely remember anything else. I didn't even mention the 2 points we lost against Morecambe when Seip was clearly fouled in the build up to their last kick of the game equaliser or Wells' disallowed goal at Plymouth - there's more I can promise you but as well as us losing these points, other teams like Macclesfield and Plymouth etc that have profited at the same time.

That's not even counting the unfair dismissals and the resulting affect from these dodgy decisions, for example Davies' first 2 reds were criminal and he missed 5 games as a result. Were he available for the Rotherham game at home when our defending was shocking, then perhaps we wouldn't have conceded 3.

It's obviously all hypothetical but I don't think PP has been anywhere near as bad as what people are making out.

I wanna see who he signs in the summer, give him a full preseason and judge him by Xmas.

I'm certain he'll get a decent right winger and if he can find a right sided Reid, then we'll be a top ten side easily with just one addition as we're not far off at the minute.

We're creating chances now and a lot of them, it's nothing like the previous 2 regimes when we shut out (or tried to) and created nothing.

PP must be privately cursing the board - I'm certain of that as they just don't have a clue.
The Benson saga proved it and PP desperately wanted him but the board messed it up badly. He would have knocked in a load of these wasted chances turning points into 3 and defeats into draws at least - we're missing a deadly finisher and Benson was it.

Our board got itchy feet about paying £150k for a 32 year old player in the last 6 months of his contract - the Charlton board must have thought they were dealing with a right pair of muppets when they agreed on the fee but Charlton were so desperate to get rid, that they allowed him to go out on loan for the rest of the season at which time he'll become a FREE AGENT to sign for who he wants - why didn't our board think of that?

Who knows, we might still have a chance to sign Benson when his deal expires and if PP pulled it off then it wouldn't surprise me, however, I doubt it but it just illustrates my point of the kind of quality and calibre PP is after and with a whole bunch of players coming to the end of their contract, I wouldn't put it past him to turn us from mediocre to League winning team over the course of the summer.

It's obviously a little early to be getting excited for next season or too carried away but I have faith in the man and I still think we have one of the better young managers in the game - 4th bottom of the entire pile won't back me up on that I'm hoping next season will.
[quote][p][bold]macca1969[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Village Bantam[/bold] wrote: Another thing to bear in mind in defence of PP, is that the quality of players he attracts and is able to spot is superb. The board failed to sign Benson in January, stating that they couldn't take a risk with £150k because he had an old injury, yet Charlton were so desperate to offload him that they allowed Benson to go out on loan - so why didn't we loan him? Di Canio says Benson is the best signing he's ever made and he's scored something like 11 goals since January. Had PP have got his man, then we might have been closer to the play offs than the drop zone. Also bear in mind, that we've genuinely lost around 20 points to shocking refereeing decisions this season - add them to our tally and see where that puts us. PP isn't far off but he joined us near the end of the transfer window when nearly all the best players available to sign had already been snapped up. Given his eye for talent and his persuasion skills, I bet we're in for a few surprise signings this summer. Give the man a chance.[/p][/quote]You honestly think we have been cheated of 20 points. Take off those claret and amber glasses and accept we are where we are because we aren't that good.[/p][/quote]If he does have an eye for talent maybe he should be a scout. His record at coaching doesn't seem all that great looking at our league position and players he has at his disposal. Also you must be biased to think we have lost twenty points because of refs. Yes we have had a raw deal but so have other clubs. I can think of devitt winning a few penalties that weren't also wells last week was a software one with a sending off too. I'm sure your right we have had more lost than gained because of officials but not to the tune of twenty points.[/p][/quote]Of course I'm biased but I don't think I'm exaggerating with the points loss. I'm sure for the other clubs it has been the old cliche of the decisions evening themselves out over a season but the Nakhi penalty from last week was a standard penalty in today's climate, the red card a little harsh but we were already winning at that point and looking the better team so we didn't really gain from that. Devitt as far as I remember got us a penalty against Northampton which was soft and gained us 2 points in the process but other than that I rarely remember anything else. I didn't even mention the 2 points we lost against Morecambe when Seip was clearly fouled in the build up to their last kick of the game equaliser or Wells' disallowed goal at Plymouth - there's more I can promise you but as well as us losing these points, other teams like Macclesfield and Plymouth etc that have profited at the same time. That's not even counting the unfair dismissals and the resulting affect from these dodgy decisions, for example Davies' first 2 reds were criminal and he missed 5 games as a result. Were he available for the Rotherham game at home when our defending was shocking, then perhaps we wouldn't have conceded 3. It's obviously all hypothetical but I don't think PP has been anywhere near as bad as what people are making out. I wanna see who he signs in the summer, give him a full preseason and judge him by Xmas. I'm certain he'll get a decent right winger and if he can find a right sided Reid, then we'll be a top ten side easily with just one addition as we're not far off at the minute. We're creating chances now and a lot of them, it's nothing like the previous 2 regimes when we shut out (or tried to) and created nothing. PP must be privately cursing the board - I'm certain of that as they just don't have a clue. The Benson saga proved it and PP desperately wanted him but the board messed it up badly. He would have knocked in a load of these wasted chances turning points into 3 and defeats into draws at least - we're missing a deadly finisher and Benson was it. Our board got itchy feet about paying £150k for a 32 year old player in the last 6 months of his contract - the Charlton board must have thought they were dealing with a right pair of muppets when they agreed on the fee but Charlton were so desperate to get rid, that they allowed him to go out on loan for the rest of the season at which time he'll become a FREE AGENT to sign for who he wants - why didn't our board think of that? Who knows, we might still have a chance to sign Benson when his deal expires and if PP pulled it off then it wouldn't surprise me, however, I doubt it but it just illustrates my point of the kind of quality and calibre PP is after and with a whole bunch of players coming to the end of their contract, I wouldn't put it past him to turn us from mediocre to League winning team over the course of the summer. It's obviously a little early to be getting excited for next season or too carried away but I have faith in the man and I still think we have one of the better young managers in the game - 4th bottom of the entire pile won't back me up on that I'm hoping next season will. Village Bantam
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12:37pm Wed 11 Apr 12

Prisoner Cell Block A says...

Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:
Spenvalleyspartan wrote:
I'd give Parkinson till Christmas personally. Give him the summer and half of next season to get it right! If we're still huff and puffing around the relegation zone at Xmas then get shut! To me Parkinson and the board made 2 big mistakes in January. 1. Not signing Benson. (look at him go at Swindon now.Swindons form really took off after January!!) 2. Getting rid of Compton. Which really has only left us with 1 quality winger in Reid! Easier to defend against a team whose only real threat comes down 1 side rather than 2! To stop gaps have been poor! The problem you've got now is the last 3 months have been that bad that many like Halifax Bantam arn't gunna bother which means less in the fighting fund! I blame the board for that for letting those 2 players slip through our fingers!
Look, it was stated at the time why we didn't sign Benson. Steve Bollen, one of the most reknowned knee specialists detected problems with Benson's knee. He advised the club not to invest 100k in something that could break tomorrow and had no resale value.

Would you spend 100k of your money on a house that a surveyor, one of the top surveyors in the world, said had subsidence and could fall down at any time plus had no resale value at all Leaving you 100k out of pocket and nowhere to live? I am going to guess that 100% of folk interviewed would keep their 100k.

So with that now firmly ensconced in brains, why would ML and JR sanction a deal which on advise was not going to produce a good outcome for their 100k. Would Benson's 10 goals for Swindon have helped us when Nahki has tucked away 8 in the same time?

The problem doesn't lie in who we haven't got but in the misuse of who we do have, did have.
READ THIS ALL THOSE WHO STILL SAY BENSON WOULD HAVE FIRED US INTO THE PLAY-OFFS.

Software pen macca?? Did he get it on FIFA12 mate? ;)
[quote][p][bold]Prisoner Cell Block A[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Spenvalleyspartan[/bold] wrote: I'd give Parkinson till Christmas personally. Give him the summer and half of next season to get it right! If we're still huff and puffing around the relegation zone at Xmas then get shut! To me Parkinson and the board made 2 big mistakes in January. 1. Not signing Benson. (look at him go at Swindon now.Swindons form really took off after January!!) 2. Getting rid of Compton. Which really has only left us with 1 quality winger in Reid! Easier to defend against a team whose only real threat comes down 1 side rather than 2! To stop gaps have been poor! The problem you've got now is the last 3 months have been that bad that many like Halifax Bantam arn't gunna bother which means less in the fighting fund! I blame the board for that for letting those 2 players slip through our fingers![/p][/quote]Look, it was stated at the time why we didn't sign Benson. Steve Bollen, one of the most reknowned knee specialists detected problems with Benson's knee. He advised the club not to invest 100k in something that could break tomorrow and had no resale value. Would you spend 100k of your money on a house that a surveyor, one of the top surveyors in the world, said had subsidence and could fall down at any time plus had no resale value at all Leaving you 100k out of pocket and nowhere to live? I am going to guess that 100% of folk interviewed would keep their 100k. So with that now firmly ensconced in brains, why would ML and JR sanction a deal which on advise was not going to produce a good outcome for their 100k. Would Benson's 10 goals for Swindon have helped us when Nahki has tucked away 8 in the same time? The problem doesn't lie in who we haven't got but in the misuse of who we do have, did have.[/p][/quote]READ THIS ALL THOSE WHO STILL SAY BENSON WOULD HAVE FIRED US INTO THE PLAY-OFFS. Software pen macca?? Did he get it on FIFA12 mate? ;) Prisoner Cell Block A
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3:17pm Wed 11 Apr 12

Foolroy says...

At least Branston gave us some entertainment winding up the Salop. fans.
At least Branston gave us some entertainment winding up the Salop. fans. Foolroy
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6:26pm Wed 11 Apr 12

collos25 says...

The main thing he got wrong was coming to Bradford a graveyard for players and managers alike.
The main thing he got wrong was coming to Bradford a graveyard for players and managers alike. collos25
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12:19pm Thu 12 Apr 12

pudseykid says...

total90 wrote:
Our downfall over the later part of this season has been down to this idea of attacking from the bench An attack that only ever has started in the second half. This gives the opposition defence nothing to worry about for the first 45 minutes and allows them to focus on attacking us relentlessly with out fear. We've got to attack from the field, starting in the first half, starting with your best player. If you feel that those players are tiring or not in the right frame of mind the fans would be right behind the manager in taking that player off. Mr. Parkinson seems to be hypersensitive regarding the physical and psychologicaal aspects of Reid, Wells and Syers and yet not be aware of other more senior players not having their best season, possibly demoralised at playing out of position, or being actually too ill to play. Reid has to start. For me , Syers has to start, he's a 90 minute worker, enables our attack to attack and that dosen't work he's got a goal in him. Hanson and wells we no it works. Wells wouldn't have been taken off if Reid had been on the pitch from the start sharing the work load from the first half. A man who is big enough to admit to his mistakes can also learn fron them. I hope so because we definately have a good squad. I just want our manager to have the confidence in the players, physically and psychologically and let them do what they are good at and play.
I listened to part of the game on the way home (on monday). the commentary team hadnt a good thing to say about Flynn in particular. This man is a good player, but under PP he and others havent looked good. We have a good squad which PP is making look distinctly average and we will only survive cos other clubs are doing much worse. Mr P-i come along way to watch my team, i still think U cant return this club to a higher league, in which case "buy a 1 way ticket somewhere", U have the talent but U are failing to use it..Mr Galloway, I dont think we need middle eastern cash. the vast majority of the asian community do not frequent VP and its unlikely they would do in the future if the owners were of a foreign nationality. WE NEED a manager who can get the best out of these players, PP cant seem to do that
[quote][p][bold]total90[/bold] wrote: Our downfall over the later part of this season has been down to this idea of attacking from the bench An attack that only ever has started in the second half. This gives the opposition defence nothing to worry about for the first 45 minutes and allows them to focus on attacking us relentlessly with out fear. We've got to attack from the field, starting in the first half, starting with your best player. If you feel that those players are tiring or not in the right frame of mind the fans would be right behind the manager in taking that player off. Mr. Parkinson seems to be hypersensitive regarding the physical and psychologicaal aspects of Reid, Wells and Syers and yet not be aware of other more senior players not having their best season, possibly demoralised at playing out of position, or being actually too ill to play. Reid has to start. For me , Syers has to start, he's a 90 minute worker, enables our attack to attack and that dosen't work he's got a goal in him. Hanson and wells we no it works. Wells wouldn't have been taken off if Reid had been on the pitch from the start sharing the work load from the first half. A man who is big enough to admit to his mistakes can also learn fron them. I hope so because we definately have a good squad. I just want our manager to have the confidence in the players, physically and psychologically and let them do what they are good at and play.[/p][/quote]I listened to part of the game on the way home (on monday). the commentary team hadnt a good thing to say about Flynn in particular. This man is a good player, but under PP he and others havent looked good. We have a good squad which PP is making look distinctly average and we will only survive cos other clubs are doing much worse. Mr P-i come along way to watch my team, i still think U cant return this club to a higher league, in which case "buy a 1 way ticket somewhere", U have the talent but U are failing to use it..Mr Galloway, I dont think we need middle eastern cash. the vast majority of the asian community do not frequent VP and its unlikely they would do in the future if the owners were of a foreign nationality. WE NEED a manager who can get the best out of these players, PP cant seem to do that pudseykid
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