Hendrie springs to defence of Bradford City joint-chairman Lawn (From Bradford Telegraph and Argus)

For Lawn to have put JH up to this he must know he's deep in the dog muck this time.

So the pendulum swings to the Boys from Brazil site. Someone has got this awfully wrong and as hendrie says he has nowt to gain from defending Lawn.

It is still a very real reminder however of how many now view Lawn at the club if he is now getting blamed for events that may have not taken place. However Hendrie does state second half;).

The view of Lawn by many is not due to this one event but from both personal expereinces and things he has done and said publicly.

I now wait with baited breath for the Boys from brazil to counter this as surely they must. They could even be liable for slander if Lawn can prove their claims false.

hendrie seems to know a lot about whats going on considering your not involved with the club ,just cant believe the lads from boy from brazil would ever have thought this story up its too far fetched but i would not expect simon parker or the t & a not to tow the party line freedom of speech is not allowed under lawns iorn fist

Boys from brazil website has shut down for good they've stated. Lawn may have suggested sueing?

Either way this suggests that this matter is now over i guess. Boys from brazil was running for 12 years and has ended today.

well, well well.......

Ha ha ...I wondered who would get trotted out?? Step up John Hendrie!!...........
....................
............"JACKO"!
! sends his regards!!

Archie - yesterday

BFB - today

If City lose tomorrow, don't be surprised if PP's health deteriorates suddenly!

...who wants to watch Emmerdale when the funniest soap opera is at VP

topcat1607 says...
9:51am Fri 4 Nov 11


rinkydink wrote:
why would we feel daft? Lawn pretty much told Christie he was wasting money on the youth set up and he was cheering on Marine youth team.

that IS fact and thats more than enough for us all to be annoyed with Lawn.

Im sorry but not accepting "promotion" does not mean you have to leave your current role.

Plus, Christie said he didnt take the role because he wanted time with daughters and Lawn says its health problems?!
I like your Fact I was sitting no more than 5 seats from Mark Lawn and at no time did he shout out anything about wasting money or the team in FACT the only one shouting from that area was Archie!!!!
Its a shame he can't stay with the club but his health has to come first,
Anyway when will the lynch mob of our so call fans turn on him!!!

ITS TIME WE GOT BEHIND OUR CLUB AND BOARD!!!!


As I said this morning I was sitting the other side to John Hendrie and 100% agree with what John has said!!

If you people are so upset with Mark Lawn Please for the sake of our club go and support another one I am sure the dog botherers will have you!!!!

BFB has shut down. Of course the club threatened to sue. I would have done the same. If BFB had any evidence what so ever that this story was true then they wouldn’t have shut down the website. You can’t yell conspiracy at every story that comes out of the club.

Sad to see bfb go, it will be a great loss. Long live North Korea.

burleybantam wrote:
BFB has shut down. Of course the club threatened to sue. I would have done the same. If BFB had any evidence what so ever that this story was true then they wouldn’t have shut down the website. You can’t yell conspiracy at every story that comes out of the club.

The people who run bfb do so in their free time. If they get leaned on for passing on what they know and hear then there comes a point where they say why bother.

topcat1607 wrote:
topcat1607 says... 9:51am Fri 4 Nov 11 rinkydink wrote: why would we feel daft? Lawn pretty much told Christie he was wasting money on the youth set up and he was cheering on Marine youth team. that IS fact and thats more than enough for us all to be annoyed with Lawn. Im sorry but not accepting "promotion" does not mean you have to leave your current role. Plus, Christie said he didnt take the role because he wanted time with daughters and Lawn says its health problems?! I like your Fact I was sitting no more than 5 seats from Mark Lawn and at no time did he shout out anything about wasting money or the team in FACT the only one shouting from that area was Archie!!!! Its a shame he can't stay with the club but his health has to come first, Anyway when will the lynch mob of our so call fans turn on him!!! ITS TIME WE GOT BEHIND OUR CLUB AND BOARD!!!! As I said this morning I was sitting the other side to John Hendrie and 100% agree with what John has said!! If you people are so upset with Mark Lawn Please for the sake of our club go and support another one I am sure the dog botherers will have you!!!!

Don't tell the anti-Lawn brigade to go support another club.

...that means there'll be more security staff than fans there tomorrow!

It seems odd that BFB would make such an allegation without any evidence, they've been around long enough to know.

Regardless of that though, it was only a few weeks before a crucial game at Hereford when Lawn thought it wise to state in an interview the team Jackson assembled was the "worst city side ever".
As a fan, I must Lawn looked like an absolute idiot when he said that and a chairman shouldn't speak that way of his own players.

The only way to stop all the rumours and accusations is to come clean, even if it is none of our business - at this point the insults and threats may become more that just those on the internet (judging by the point in the story about extra police, and there has been history of ML having his car attacked). Come clean about, for example, why Jackson left, why Christie left etc.

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:

burleybantam wrote: BFB has shut down. Of course the club threatened to sue. I would have done the same. If BFB had any evidence what so ever that this story was true then they wouldn’t have shut down the website. You can’t yell conspiracy at every story that comes out of the club.

The people who run bfb do so in their free time. If they get leaned on for passing on what they know and hear then there comes a point where they say why bother.

People have to realise that you if you publish something in writing you can and should be held to account for it.

Sorry but the argument "its my hobby" is not a defence and does not make any comments made any less damaging.

I have been criticising and arguing with posters on this site -at various times- over a number of months about their unsubstantiated claims and the damage their irresponsible postings can have. Jumping to conclusions, abusing Chairmen, Managers, Sports writers, players etc but it still continues . You members of the T&A kangaroo Court -and you all know who you are- have brought shame on City supporters as a whole with your disgraceful attacks over recent months and should feel very ashamed. Some are even suggesting John Hendrie is giving out a false statement now!! What sort of people are you for gods sake!

I'd like to believe this story. Mark Lawn should have the benefit of the doubt seeing as I strongly suspect there would not be a Bradford City FC without him.

It's obviously difficult supporting City at times so you can appreciate why some people get frustrated at yet another set back, but we'll just have to pick ourselves up once again and try to make the best of what we've got.

Rambo wrote:
It seems odd that BFB would make such an allegation without any evidence, they've been around long enough to know. Regardless of that though, it was only a few weeks before a crucial game at Hereford when Lawn thought it wise to state in an interview the team Jackson assembled was the "worst city side ever". As a fan, I must Lawn looked like an absolute idiot when he said that and a chairman shouldn't speak that way of his own players. The only way to stop all the rumours and accusations is to come clean, even if it is none of our business - at this point the insults and threats may become more that just those on the internet (judging by the point in the story about extra police, and there has been history of ML having his car attacked). Come clean about, for example, why Jackson left, why Christie left etc.

Spot on.

i have in the past always found that the bfb website was a verry reliable source of information, often before other sites, newspapers etc. for whateever reason they've now felt the need to shut down. They haven't i may add withdrawn their original claims to my knowledge.

it is however understandable how fans have reacted. There was two different stories via different sources doing the rounds about Christie's departure. Following the 'strange' circumstances surrounding the resignation of Jackson it is also understandable if many fans recognised a deja vu scenario, especially given the 'illness' reason in both cases.

Fans have also in the recent past had to witness Lawn's ill-timed and quite frankly scandulous acusations concerning jackson's squad. These players in the main are still at the club remember.

There have been many instances of Lawn saying this and that and when you put yourself in that role then you can also expect some flak when either what you say is proved to be untrue, or has hints of un-truth about them, or just don't make sense. Ask yourself why Rhodes does NOT come under the same criticism? For all we know he is just as equally responsible for the decision making and though i doubt it lawn's 'soundbites' to the media.

Lawn probably believes he says things as he see's them but he needs to also realise the effect such things can have for someone in his position.

Overall the fans reaction to this story is understandable and in many ways a natural reaction to a series of events involving Mr. Lawn. The fact that there is a difference of opinion about the truth in the story (although the current situation suggests that Lawn maybe the innocent party) should not deflect from why the reaction was so strong.

Lawn perhaps deserves an apology from many if its proven to be not true. However he himself should perhaps have done the same on other occasions, and show some humility to others as well. lawn's name is currently tarnished by past deeds and it will be difficult for him to turn this around i feel. As for the fans i say they've done little wrong considering the communication issues and past history

Is there another site where we can get the truth coming out of VP?

Banktop wrote:
Is there another site where we can get the truth coming out of VP?

If there is expect it to close soon.

It beggars believe that there are still some on here who cant actually admit the information given was wrong despite others who were AUCTUALLY at the game against Marine saying nothing went on between AC and ML and there wasnt a fallout even if AC came out with a article in T&A saying nothing happened there would be some who would still have the knifes out for ML call yourself BCFC fans who needs enemies with fans like ours.

dannbradfc wrote:
i have in the past always found that the bfb website was a verry reliable source of information, often before other sites, newspapers etc. for whateever reason they've now felt the need to shut down. They haven't i may add withdrawn their original claims to my knowledge.

it is however understandable how fans have reacted. There was two different stories via different sources doing the rounds about Christie's departure. Following the 'strange' circumstances surrounding the resignation of Jackson it is also understandable if many fans recognised a deja vu scenario, especially given the 'illness' reason in both cases.

Fans have also in the recent past had to witness Lawn's ill-timed and quite frankly scandulous acusations concerning jackson's squad. These players in the main are still at the club remember.

There have been many instances of Lawn saying this and that and when you put yourself in that role then you can also expect some flak when either what you say is proved to be untrue, or has hints of un-truth about them, or just don't make sense. Ask yourself why Rhodes does NOT come under the same criticism? For all we know he is just as equally responsible for the decision making and though i doubt it lawn's 'soundbites' to the media.

Lawn probably believes he says things as he see's them but he needs to also realise the effect such things can have for someone in his position.

Overall the fans reaction to this story is understandable and in many ways a natural reaction to a series of events involving Mr. Lawn. The fact that there is a difference of opinion about the truth in the story (although the current situation suggests that Lawn maybe the innocent party) should not deflect from why the reaction was so strong.

Lawn perhaps deserves an apology from many if its proven to be not true. However he himself should perhaps have done the same on other occasions, and show some humility to others as well. lawn's name is currently tarnished by past deeds and it will be difficult for him to turn this around i feel. As for the fans i say they've done little wrong considering the communication issues and past history

Dann, unfortunately you are doing the same as many do on here. You are repeating a claim that is NOT TRUE. Jacksons's reason for resigning was NOT 'illness'. ML said: "Peter told the board that IN LIGHT OF THE POOR START TO THE SEASON (my emphasis), he felt that to resign now would give the club that best possible chance for the rest of the season''. Nothing about illness was mentioned so why do you claim a 'deja vu scenario'?
.
The so called fans on this site (some not all) have deliberately and or incompetently misquoted the 'communication' that comes out of VP on regular basis. It's these sorts of perpetuated misquotes and myths that annoy me so much. If you can provide a quote where either Jacko or ML have said he left due to 'illness' I will be more that happy to hold my hand up and apologise to you.

lonniejockstrap wrote:

dannbradfc wrote:
i have in the past always found that the bfb website was a verry reliable source of information, often before other sites, newspapers etc. for whateever reason they've now felt the need to shut down. They haven't i may add withdrawn their original claims to my knowledge.

it is however understandable how fans have reacted. There was two different stories via different sources doing the rounds about Christie's departure. Following the 'strange' circumstances surrounding the resignation of Jackson it is also understandable if many fans recognised a deja vu scenario, especially given the 'illness' reason in both cases.

Fans have also in the recent past had to witness Lawn's ill-timed and quite frankly scandulous acusations concerning jackson's squad. These players in the main are still at the club remember.

There have been many instances of Lawn saying this and that and when you put yourself in that role then you can also expect some flak when either what you say is proved to be untrue, or has hints of un-truth about them, or just don't make sense. Ask yourself why Rhodes does NOT come under the same criticism? For all we know he is just as equally responsible for the decision making and though i doubt it lawn's 'soundbites' to the media.

Lawn probably believes he says things as he see's them but he needs to also realise the effect such things can have for someone in his position.

Overall the fans reaction to this story is understandable and in many ways a natural reaction to a series of events involving Mr. Lawn. The fact that there is a difference of opinion about the truth in the story (although the current situation suggests that Lawn maybe the innocent party) should not deflect from why the reaction was so strong.

Lawn perhaps deserves an apology from many if its proven to be not true. However he himself should perhaps have done the same on other occasions, and show some humility to others as well. lawn's name is currently tarnished by past deeds and it will be difficult for him to turn this around i feel. As for the fans i say they've done little wrong considering the communication issues and past history

Dann, unfortunately you are doing the same as many do on here. You are repeating a claim that is NOT TRUE. Jacksons's reason for resigning was NOT 'illness'. ML said: "Peter told the board that IN LIGHT OF THE POOR START TO THE SEASON (my emphasis), he felt that to resign now would give the club that best possible chance for the rest of the season''. Nothing about illness was mentioned so why do you claim a 'deja vu scenario'?
.
The so called fans on this site (some not all) have deliberately and or incompetently misquoted the 'communication' that comes out of VP on regular basis. It's these sorts of perpetuated misquotes and myths that annoy me so much. If you can provide a quote where either Jacko or ML have said he left due to 'illness' I will be more that happy to hold my hand up and apologise to you.

Lawn said McCall was ill at the end of his tenure and it was for his own good fr him to go. Source. His interview with BFB. Therefore can't give you a link.

Whatever this pathetic drama has thrown up let's remember that 11 men will take to the pitch tomorrow in claret and Amber.

Let's get behind the boys and let's get 3 points. Whatever as happened is now, already, history.

Come on CITY.

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:

burleybantam wrote:
BFB has shut down. Of course the club threatened to sue. I would have done the same. If BFB had any evidence what so ever that this story was true then they wouldn’t have shut down the website. You can’t yell conspiracy at every story that comes out of the club.

The people who run bfb do so in their free time. If they get leaned on for passing on what they know and hear then there comes a point where they say why bother.

Unlike you or I, they use their real names when they are making public statements. They have gained a lot of respect for their articles and their BfB journal. I believe they are honorable people and if they believe they have made a serious mistake would take what they believed was the correct form of action as a consequence of that serious mistake.

If BfB or any other journal, paper, or individual gave out incorrect information that claimed I had behaved badly they would get 'leaned on' by me.

Expanding from what I said above, yes we all know there are few if any others who could come in to replace JR and ML. So in that regard we will to accept they are in charge.

The problem is over the last 12 years the clubs reputation amongst the fansm local businesses and greater Bradford public is very fragile - obviously our fast descent has made us a bit of a joke amongst a lot of locals, the businesses who suffered during the administrations and those who watched will be reluctant to help and as fans we are extremely sceptical of anything that comes out of the club unless there is a full water-tight backing that comes with it.

Basically as fans we've so many off the pitch, boardroom etc decisions, happen without knowing the full story (if at all) until much later that it has made a number of fans highly sceptical of how the club is run - you have one chairman who is harder to track down that Lord Lucan and another who makes you cringe when he opens his mouth.

Its extremely frustrating as fans when you think things are finally going forward then something else goes wrong. With all the constant chopping and changing of the players, managers, staff, problem here, problem there.... virtually everything except the chairmen, there is absolutely no continuity anywhere.
I think that partly got to a lot of people on this occasion.

I'll repeat what I said earlier. Not everything that happens is the fans business. But with our history, I wonder how much more fans can be pushed - there are plenty out there who are getting sick of being in division 4 for 5 years (and getting worse each time) and constant behind the scenes drama doesn't help.

Roll on tomorrow!

lonniejockstrap wrote:
I have been criticising and arguing with posters on this site -at various times- over a number of months about their unsubstantiated claims and the damage their irresponsible postings can have. Jumping to conclusions, abusing Chairmen, Managers, Sports writers, players etc but it still continues . You members of the T&A kangaroo Court -and you all know who you are- have brought shame on City supporters as a whole with your disgraceful attacks over recent months and should feel very ashamed. Some are even suggesting John Hendrie is giving out a false statement now!! What sort of people are you for gods sake!

Irresponsible postings, SO IF YOUR CHAIRMAN YOU CAN GO ON RADIO AND LABEL YOUR EMPLOYEES THE WORST IN THE LEAGUE. WHAT COMES ROUND GOES AROUND, LAWN CAN JUST SUCK ON IT!!!

ricky76 wrote:
It beggars believe that there are still some on here who cant actually admit the information given was wrong despite others who were AUCTUALLY at the game against Marine saying nothing went on between AC and ML and there wasnt a fallout even if AC came out with a article in T&A saying nothing happened there would be some who would still have the knifes out for ML call yourself BCFC fans who needs enemies with fans like ours.

WY DONT U GET A GRIP OF URSELF U SAD GEEK WHO IS INTERESTED IN UR NEGATIVE COMMENTS U SAD ****!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Onebrianmitchell wrote:

lonniejockstrap wrote:

dannbradfc wrote:
i have in the past always found that the bfb website was a verry reliable source of information, often before other sites, newspapers etc. for whateever reason they've now felt the need to shut down. They haven't i may add withdrawn their original claims to my knowledge.

it is however understandable how fans have reacted. There was two different stories via different sources doing the rounds about Christie's departure. Following the 'strange' circumstances surrounding the resignation of Jackson it is also understandable if many fans recognised a deja vu scenario, especially given the 'illness' reason in both cases.

Fans have also in the recent past had to witness Lawn's ill-timed and quite frankly scandulous acusations concerning jackson's squad. These players in the main are still at the club remember.

There have been many instances of Lawn saying this and that and when you put yourself in that role then you can also expect some flak when either what you say is proved to be untrue, or has hints of un-truth about them, or just don't make sense. Ask yourself why Rhodes does NOT come under the same criticism? For all we know he is just as equally responsible for the decision making and though i doubt it lawn's 'soundbites' to the media.

Lawn probably believes he says things as he see's them but he needs to also realise the effect such things can have for someone in his position.

Overall the fans reaction to this story is understandable and in many ways a natural reaction to a series of events involving Mr. Lawn. The fact that there is a difference of opinion about the truth in the story (although the current situation suggests that Lawn maybe the innocent party) should not deflect from why the reaction was so strong.

Lawn perhaps deserves an apology from many if its proven to be not true. However he himself should perhaps have done the same on other occasions, and show some humility to others as well. lawn's name is currently tarnished by past deeds and it will be difficult for him to turn this around i feel. As for the fans i say they've done little wrong considering the communication issues and past history

Dann, unfortunately you are doing the same as many do on here. You are repeating a claim that is NOT TRUE. Jacksons's reason for resigning was NOT 'illness'. ML said: "Peter told the board that IN LIGHT OF THE POOR START TO THE SEASON (my emphasis), he felt that to resign now would give the club that best possible chance for the rest of the season''. Nothing about illness was mentioned so why do you claim a 'deja vu scenario'?
.
The so called fans on this site (some not all) have deliberately and or incompetently misquoted the 'communication' that comes out of VP on regular basis. It's these sorts of perpetuated misquotes and myths that annoy me so much. If you can provide a quote where either Jacko or ML have said he left due to 'illness' I will be more that happy to hold my hand up and apologise to you.

Lawn said McCall was ill at the end of his tenure and it was for his own good fr him to go. Source. His interview with BFB. Therefore can't give you a link.

Whatever this pathetic drama has thrown up let's remember that 11 men will take to the pitch tomorrow in claret and Amber.

Let's get behind the boys and let's get 3 points. Whatever as happened is now, already, history.

Come on CITY.

McCall did not leave on the grounds of illness either!

Lets hope the ban hammer is on its way as that kind of post is way out of order.
There are may who may agree or disagree with my comments but none act like that.
You could learn something from people like lonnie who i nearly never agreee with but never would repond like you have.

casper1994 wrote:

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:

Banktop wrote: Is there another site where we can get the truth coming out of VP?

If there is expect it to close soon.

THE VOICE OF REASON COMMENTS ON B.P.A. SITE HE WANTS TO GET A JOB V SAD TAWT

The above was a resonse to this.

lonniejockstrap wrote:

Onebrianmitchell wrote:

lonniejockstrap wrote:

dannbradfc wrote: i have in the past always found that the bfb website was a verry reliable source of information, often before other sites, newspapers etc. for whateever reason they've now felt the need to shut down. They haven't i may add withdrawn their original claims to my knowledge. it is however understandable how fans have reacted. There was two different stories via different sources doing the rounds about Christie's departure. Following the 'strange' circumstances surrounding the resignation of Jackson it is also understandable if many fans recognised a deja vu scenario, especially given the 'illness' reason in both cases. Fans have also in the recent past had to witness Lawn's ill-timed and quite frankly scandulous acusations concerning jackson's squad. These players in the main are still at the club remember. There have been many instances of Lawn saying this and that and when you put yourself in that role then you can also expect some flak when either what you say is proved to be untrue, or has hints of un-truth about them, or just don't make sense. Ask yourself why Rhodes does NOT come under the same criticism? For all we know he is just as equally responsible for the decision making and though i doubt it lawn's 'soundbites' to the media. Lawn probably believes he says things as he see's them but he needs to also realise the effect such things can have for someone in his position. Overall the fans reaction to this story is understandable and in many ways a natural reaction to a series of events involving Mr. Lawn. The fact that there is a difference of opinion about the truth in the story (although the current situation suggests that Lawn maybe the innocent party) should not deflect from why the reaction was so strong. Lawn perhaps deserves an apology from many if its proven to be not true. However he himself should perhaps have done the same on other occasions, and show some humility to others as well. lawn's name is currently tarnished by past deeds and it will be difficult for him to turn this around i feel. As for the fans i say they've done little wrong considering the communication issues and past history

Dann, unfortunately you are doing the same as many do on here. You are repeating a claim that is NOT TRUE. Jacksons's reason for resigning was NOT 'illness'. ML said: "Peter told the board that IN LIGHT OF THE POOR START TO THE SEASON (my emphasis), he felt that to resign now would give the club that best possible chance for the rest of the season''. Nothing about illness was mentioned so why do you claim a 'deja vu scenario'? . The so called fans on this site (some not all) have deliberately and or incompetently misquoted the 'communication' that comes out of VP on regular basis. It's these sorts of perpetuated misquotes and myths that annoy me so much. If you can provide a quote where either Jacko or ML have said he left due to 'illness' I will be more that happy to hold my hand up and apologise to you.

Lawn said McCall was ill at the end of his tenure and it was for his own good fr him to go. Source. His interview with BFB. Therefore can't give you a link. Whatever this pathetic drama has thrown up let's remember that 11 men will take to the pitch tomorrow in claret and Amber. Let's get behind the boys and let's get 3 points. Whatever as happened is now, already, history. Come on CITY.

McCall did not leave on the grounds of illness either!

OH....NO!! The demise of BFB!! Has brought "LONNIE" back!

I actually think that Stuart and the board did release something to the effect 'it was making him ill, he wasn't sleeping' etc etc (my memory of the situation not verbatim) not too sure it was given as THE reason entirely.

lonniejockstrap wrote:

Onebrianmitchell wrote:

lonniejockstrap wrote:

dannbradfc wrote:
i have in the past always found that the bfb website was a verry reliable source of information, often before other sites, newspapers etc. for whateever reason they've now felt the need to shut down. They haven't i may add withdrawn their original claims to my knowledge.

it is however understandable how fans have reacted. There was two different stories via different sources doing the rounds about Christie's departure. Following the 'strange' circumstances surrounding the resignation of Jackson it is also understandable if many fans recognised a deja vu scenario, especially given the 'illness' reason in both cases.

Fans have also in the recent past had to witness Lawn's ill-timed and quite frankly scandulous acusations concerning jackson's squad. These players in the main are still at the club remember.

There have been many instances of Lawn saying this and that and when you put yourself in that role then you can also expect some flak when either what you say is proved to be untrue, or has hints of un-truth about them, or just don't make sense. Ask yourself why Rhodes does NOT come under the same criticism? For all we know he is just as equally responsible for the decision making and though i doubt it lawn's 'soundbites' to the media.

Lawn probably believes he says things as he see's them but he needs to also realise the effect such things can have for someone in his position.

Overall the fans reaction to this story is understandable and in many ways a natural reaction to a series of events involving Mr. Lawn. The fact that there is a difference of opinion about the truth in the story (although the current situation suggests that Lawn maybe the innocent party) should not deflect from why the reaction was so strong.

Lawn perhaps deserves an apology from many if its proven to be not true. However he himself should perhaps have done the same on other occasions, and show some humility to others as well. lawn's name is currently tarnished by past deeds and it will be difficult for him to turn this around i feel. As for the fans i say they've done little wrong considering the communication issues and past history

Dann, unfortunately you are doing the same as many do on here. You are repeating a claim that is NOT TRUE. Jacksons's reason for resigning was NOT 'illness'. ML said: "Peter told the board that IN LIGHT OF THE POOR START TO THE SEASON (my emphasis), he felt that to resign now would give the club that best possible chance for the rest of the season''. Nothing about illness was mentioned so why do you claim a 'deja vu scenario'?
.
The so called fans on this site (some not all) have deliberately and or incompetently misquoted the 'communication' that comes out of VP on regular basis. It's these sorts of perpetuated misquotes and myths that annoy me so much. If you can provide a quote where either Jacko or ML have said he left due to 'illness' I will be more that happy to hold my hand up and apologise to you.

Lawn said McCall was ill at the end of his tenure and it was for his own good fr him to go. Source. His interview with BFB. Therefore can't give you a link.

Whatever this pathetic drama has thrown up let's remember that 11 men will take to the pitch tomorrow in claret and Amber.

Let's get behind the boys and let's get 3 points. Whatever as happened is now, already, history.

Come on CITY.

McCall did not leave on the grounds of illness either!

LONNIE the poster doesn't say that he did. He merely repeats what he believes that Lawn said.

I on the other-hand, am perhaps guilty of implying the 'ill-ness' tag in regards to Jackson. My post should and would have been better read as using the word REASONING rather than reason, which as we know was unsustantiated. However As there as never been a clear reason given and with Lawn later 'slagging' off the side he had assembled its easy to get confused and without clear instruction its also natural to put things together, sometimes wrongly. But if there was/is nothing to hide just be truthful and clear and then avoid any hearsay or conjecture.

Your correct that illness was not used in this instance and this poster is correct in remembering that lawn it indeed was mentioned during the McCall era. Whose not doing a bad job now is he? I've never claimed to be infalible despite often been proven correct;)

LONNIE I have made the mistake of not sitting back (unlike yourself) and commenting as things were occuring or not as the case maybe. Indeed like yourself i too have found the bfb a very reliable source and like yourself they deserve respect for still putting their names on there. as i've said elsewhere though its easy to see why this situation arose and also demonstrates the build up of feeling of fans towards lawn and his running of our club. Many find some of his outbursts embarrasing, unbecoming, or simply plain wrong or stupid. Whatever, if he is going to 'spout-off' he also runs the risk of getting it back when it goes wrong. And its a fair and valid argument to say that been in the position we are and where we have been for a few years now its hardly gone right during his chairmanship.

(In fact now your back i would like a discussion on the apparent change from the intended summer language of long term development to the sudden need to re-build another squad, supplemented by loans again, only weeks into it.)

And whilst your picking others up on things i feel it necessary to point out you also may have been a little hasty or guilty of surmising things when on the one hand you state that the bfb forum is a "honourable site" with" honourable conrtibutors" then use this to suggest that they "made a mistake". Where do you get this from? Their site does not retract anything nor state that what they said was wrong. merely they say they do not want to hamper the progress of the club.

Thus you yourself are jumping to conclusions without facts it could be argued. Its also contradictory to then 'hint' that they may also have been leaned on. You have no facts to base any of this on, only that the bfb forum as for whatever reason been closed down.

adam8890 wrote:
I hope that the people involved at the vlub dont read the comments on here. I wouldnt be surprised if the manager chairmen and players all just threw in the towel with the abuse they get from so called fans on here.
People need to wake up and realise Bradford City isn't the club it was 10 years ago, and stop crying about everything that anybody around the club does.
If anybody does read this at the club please try and remember most people are not complpete arse holes that expect us to be a man utd or barcelona by tomorrow and remember its mostly people that like to moan that comment on things like this.
If you havent got anything good to say (which i agree there hasnt been much)
then dont say f**k all.
your annoying negative comments on every single post are not going to change anything, and if they did it would likely be for the worse.

The simple solution is for you not to read them.

As you say there wouldn't be too much to discuss if all we could talk about was the positive. Indeed i'm sure every fan would wish thats all we could post was how great we were playing and celebrating wins or promotions etc.

Every football club in existence does the same thing. How many times has man utd fans questioned Fergie's leadership? Arsenal fans just a few short games ago wanted Arsene out.

Listen to the footie chat shows and we genuinely aren;t that bad considering we do actually have something to complain about even in relative terms

shaun from richmond wrote:

lonniejockstrap wrote:

Onebrianmitchell wrote:

lonniejockstrap wrote:

dannbradfc wrote: i have in the past always found that the bfb website was a verry reliable source of information, often before other sites, newspapers etc. for whateever reason they've now felt the need to shut down. They haven't i may add withdrawn their original claims to my knowledge. it is however understandable how fans have reacted. There was two different stories via different sources doing the rounds about Christie's departure. Following the 'strange' circumstances surrounding the resignation of Jackson it is also understandable if many fans recognised a deja vu scenario, especially given the 'illness' reason in both cases. Fans have also in the recent past had to witness Lawn's ill-timed and quite frankly scandulous acusations concerning jackson's squad. These players in the main are still at the club remember. There have been many instances of Lawn saying this and that and when you put yourself in that role then you can also expect some flak when either what you say is proved to be untrue, or has hints of un-truth about them, or just don't make sense. Ask yourself why Rhodes does NOT come under the same criticism? For all we know he is just as equally responsible for the decision making and though i doubt it lawn's 'soundbites' to the media. Lawn probably believes he says things as he see's them but he needs to also realise the effect such things can have for someone in his position. Overall the fans reaction to this story is understandable and in many ways a natural reaction to a series of events involving Mr. Lawn. The fact that there is a difference of opinion about the truth in the story (although the current situation suggests that Lawn maybe the innocent party) should not deflect from why the reaction was so strong. Lawn perhaps deserves an apology from many if its proven to be not true. However he himself should perhaps have done the same on other occasions, and show some humility to others as well. lawn's name is currently tarnished by past deeds and it will be difficult for him to turn this around i feel. As for the fans i say they've done little wrong considering the communication issues and past history

Dann, unfortunately you are doing the same as many do on here. You are repeating a claim that is NOT TRUE. Jacksons's reason for resigning was NOT 'illness'. ML said: "Peter told the board that IN LIGHT OF THE POOR START TO THE SEASON (my emphasis), he felt that to resign now would give the club that best possible chance for the rest of the season''. Nothing about illness was mentioned so why do you claim a 'deja vu scenario'? . The so called fans on this site (some not all) have deliberately and or incompetently misquoted the 'communication' that comes out of VP on regular basis. It's these sorts of perpetuated misquotes and myths that annoy me so much. If you can provide a quote where either Jacko or ML have said he left due to 'illness' I will be more that happy to hold my hand up and apologise to you.

Lawn said McCall was ill at the end of his tenure and it was for his own good fr him to go. Source. His interview with BFB. Therefore can't give you a link. Whatever this pathetic drama has thrown up let's remember that 11 men will take to the pitch tomorrow in claret and Amber. Let's get behind the boys and let's get 3 points. Whatever as happened is now, already, history. Come on CITY.

McCall did not leave on the grounds of illness either!

OH....NO!! The demise of BFB!! Has brought "LONNIE" back!

One of the problems the Internet has introduced is that in this electronic village, ALL the village idiots have Internet access. Even you Shaun from Rampton, aka the Rampton sociopath, is allowed to entertain us in a Internet replication/reinvent
ion akin to 18th century Bedlam Hospital. Thanks for entertaining us in only the way you know how. Now then, NURSE!

I still don't know what all this is about. Let me get this right Christie was offered a well paid job at the club but turned it down. He could have stayed on doing what he's been doing, it wasn't take the job or your gone. What's the problem. Wow it sounds like a few people need their heads shaking. Christie decided to walk end of, John Hendrie one of the all time Bradford City legends says there's no truth in the other garbage being spun about Lawn, that's good enough for me. I can see a massive brawl tomorrow as there seems to be so called fans trying to bring the club down, because if Lawn goes, BCFC more than likely go back into admin, if that happens it's more than likely the end of our great football club. Don't get suckered into damaging the club, get down tomorrow and make sure BCFC pick up the points. CTID

Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:
I actually think that Stuart and the board did release something to the effect 'it was making him ill, he wasn't sleeping' etc etc (my memory of the situation not verbatim) not too sure it was given as THE reason entirely.

Quote from the Guardian:

He told the Yorkshire Post: "It is time for somebody else to come in and take up the reins and, hopefully, do well. Saturday's game would have been a defining line in the season for me. If we had beaten Bury, the dream of making seventh place would have been on.


"I don't regret coming back here for a second. I would have regretted it more if I hadn't taken the job. I have loved being manager of this club but it's a results-based business and they have not been good enough."

Quote from the Telegraph: Bradford manager Stuart McCall has resigned following a meeting with the club's joint chairman Julian Rhodes.
.
"The decision was felt to be in the best interests of all parties following a run of disappointing results that have left the club in 16th place in the League Two table.

"The club would like to place on record its appreciation for Stuart's efforts as manager over the past two years and seven months.

"During this time he has worked tirelessly and no one is more disappointed that his endeavours have not been rewarded with more success on the field than Stuart himself''.

bcfc1903 wrote:
I still don't know what all this is about. Let me get this right Christie was offered a well paid job at the club but turned it down. He could have stayed on doing what he's been doing, it wasn't take the job or your gone. What's the problem. Wow it sounds like a few people need their heads shaking. Christie decided to walk end of, John Hendrie one of the all time Bradford City legends says there's no truth in the other garbage being spun about Lawn, that's good enough for me. I can see a massive brawl tomorrow as there seems to be so called fans trying to bring the club down, because if Lawn goes, BCFC more than likely go back into admin, if that happens it's more than likely the end of our great football club. Don't get suckered into damaging the club, get down tomorrow and make sure BCFC pick up the points. CTID

I'm playing 'devil's advocate here but is it really that simple?

A few weeks ago lawn slated the players that started this season. I said at the time that this is in essence is indirectly having a 'pop' at Christie has he was the one been praised for originally finding these players.

This is an inherent contradiction but so was the claims by the chairman that we were now thinking long term and were building a squad moving away from loans and mistake sof the past. This it can be argued has been forgotten.

Simarlarly after been told we were skint Jackson goes and a few days later we are signing players and obtaining loans again. So forgive fans if they appear a little skeptical when our erstwhile chairman makes a statement.

Christie is offered a post, a promotion even of sorts, but turns it down and walks away. The club report ill health, Christie doen't say this.

The t and a report that Christie only thanked one chairman, naming Rhodes.

under Parker's other headline he reports talking with Christie only on wednesday about signing more new players. hardly a man that knows he's poorly and won't be here to fulfill these transfers.

Time will tell if Christie suddenly appears elsewhere in a similar role at another club.

However there are still lingering doubts and differing reports that are not just conspiracy stuff. Just from the few examples above of where the club have said one thing but then it does not happen you can understand the cynicism

dannbradfc wrote:

lonniejockstrap wrote:

Onebrianmitchell wrote:

lonniejockstrap wrote:

dannbradfc wrote:
i have in the past always found that the bfb website was a verry reliable source of information, often before other sites, newspapers etc. for whateever reason they've now felt the need to shut down. They haven't i may add withdrawn their original claims to my knowledge.

it is however understandable how fans have reacted. There was two different stories via different sources doing the rounds about Christie's departure. Following the 'strange' circumstances surrounding the resignation of Jackson it is also understandable if many fans recognised a deja vu scenario, especially given the 'illness' reason in both cases.

Fans have also in the recent past had to witness Lawn's ill-timed and quite frankly scandulous acusations concerning jackson's squad. These players in the main are still at the club remember.

There have been many instances of Lawn saying this and that and when you put yourself in that role then you can also expect some flak when either what you say is proved to be untrue, or has hints of un-truth about them, or just don't make sense. Ask yourself why Rhodes does NOT come under the same criticism? For all we know he is just as equally responsible for the decision making and though i doubt it lawn's 'soundbites' to the media.

Lawn probably believes he says things as he see's them but he needs to also realise the effect such things can have for someone in his position.

Overall the fans reaction to this story is understandable and in many ways a natural reaction to a series of events involving Mr. Lawn. The fact that there is a difference of opinion about the truth in the story (although the current situation suggests that Lawn maybe the innocent party) should not deflect from why the reaction was so strong.

Lawn perhaps deserves an apology from many if its proven to be not true. However he himself should perhaps have done the same on other occasions, and show some humility to others as well. lawn's name is currently tarnished by past deeds and it will be difficult for him to turn this around i feel. As for the fans i say they've done little wrong considering the communication issues and past history

Dann, unfortunately you are doing the same as many do on here. You are repeating a claim that is NOT TRUE. Jacksons's reason for resigning was NOT 'illness'. ML said: "Peter told the board that IN LIGHT OF THE POOR START TO THE SEASON (my emphasis), he felt that to resign now would give the club that best possible chance for the rest of the season''. Nothing about illness was mentioned so why do you claim a 'deja vu scenario'?
.
The so called fans on this site (some not all) have deliberately and or incompetently misquoted the 'communication' that comes out of VP on regular basis. It's these sorts of perpetuated misquotes and myths that annoy me so much. If you can provide a quote where either Jacko or ML have said he left due to 'illness' I will be more that happy to hold my hand up and apologise to you.

Lawn said McCall was ill at the end of his tenure and it was for his own good fr him to go. Source. His interview with BFB. Therefore can't give you a link.

Whatever this pathetic drama has thrown up let's remember that 11 men will take to the pitch tomorrow in claret and Amber.

Let's get behind the boys and let's get 3 points. Whatever as happened is now, already, history.

Come on CITY.

McCall did not leave on the grounds of illness either!

LONNIE the poster doesn't say that he did. He merely repeats what he believes that Lawn said.

I on the other-hand, am perhaps guilty of implying the 'ill-ness' tag in regards to Jackson. My post should and would have been better read as using the word REASONING rather than reason, which as we know was unsustantiated. However As there as never been a clear reason given and with Lawn later 'slagging' off the side he had assembled its easy to get confused and without clear instruction its also natural to put things together, sometimes wrongly. But if there was/is nothing to hide just be truthful and clear and then avoid any hearsay or conjecture.

Your correct that illness was not used in this instance and this poster is correct in remembering that lawn it indeed was mentioned during the McCall era. Whose not doing a bad job now is he? I've never claimed to be infalible despite often been proven correct;)

LONNIE I have made the mistake of not sitting back (unlike yourself) and commenting as things were occuring or not as the case maybe. Indeed like yourself i too have found the bfb a very reliable source and like yourself they deserve respect for still putting their names on there. as i've said elsewhere though its easy to see why this situation arose and also demonstrates the build up of feeling of fans towards lawn and his running of our club. Many find some of his outbursts embarrasing, unbecoming, or simply plain wrong or stupid. Whatever, if he is going to 'spout-off' he also runs the risk of getting it back when it goes wrong. And its a fair and valid argument to say that been in the position we are and where we have been for a few years now its hardly gone right during his chairmanship.

(In fact now your back i would like a discussion on the apparent change from the intended summer language of long term development to the sudden need to re-build another squad, supplemented by loans again, only weeks into it.)

And whilst your picking others up on things i feel it necessary to point out you also may have been a little hasty or guilty of surmising things when on the one hand you state that the bfb forum is a "honourable site" with" honourable conrtibutors" then use this to suggest that they "made a mistake". Where do you get this from? Their site does not retract anything nor state that what they said was wrong. merely they say they do not want to hamper the progress of the club.

Thus you yourself are jumping to conclusions without facts it could be argued. Its also contradictory to then 'hint' that they may also have been leaned on. You have no facts to base any of this on, only that the bfb forum as for whatever reason been closed down.

No Dann, you are doing it again. You are claiming something that is not the case I DID NOT suggest they had made a mistake. I said: I believe they are honorable people and IF THEY BELIEVE they have made a serious mistake would take.........

lonniejockstrap wrote:

Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:
I actually think that Stuart and the board did release something to the effect 'it was making him ill, he wasn't sleeping' etc etc (my memory of the situation not verbatim) not too sure it was given as THE reason entirely.

Quote from the Guardian:

He told the Yorkshire Post: "It is time for somebody else to come in and take up the reins and, hopefully, do well. Saturday's game would have been a defining line in the season for me. If we had beaten Bury, the dream of making seventh place would have been on.


"I don't regret coming back here for a second. I would have regretted it more if I hadn't taken the job. I have loved being manager of this club but it's a results-based business and they have not been good enough."

Quote from the Telegraph: Bradford manager Stuart McCall has resigned following a meeting with the club's joint chairman Julian Rhodes.
.
"The decision was felt to be in the best interests of all parties following a run of disappointing results that have left the club in 16th place in the League Two table.

"The club would like to place on record its appreciation for Stuart's efforts as manager over the past two years and seven months.

"During this time he has worked tirelessly and no one is more disappointed that his endeavours have not been rewarded with more success on the field than Stuart himself''.

Thats not the article/s he's referring to which does exist and refers to concerns over Stuarts health.

Furthemore Lonnie you appear to have bypassed my question above regarding your own inference that the bfb site was closed by themselves due to them "making a mistake". When in actual fact they don't say this, have not withdrawn their allegations, nor issued an apology. They actually just say that the site is shut so has not to hamper Bradford City's progress.

LONNIE You have been quick to point out where others have jumped to conclusions, without facts thus are you willing to applly the same logic to yourself??????

Maybe Christie didn't like Lawn, so what, he got offered a paid job, what does that say about the chairmen, hell it's not rocket is it. The guy wasn't getting paid, except expenses, he could still not be getting paid except for expenses, the job was his whether he took the paid club job or not, he was not fired, he walked. Yeah, Lawn comes across a a knarled hard head, so what. Lawn was having a go at the players, well he pays em, and they played garbage, he's every right to have a pop, i don't buy that this was a sideways swipe at Christie. Surely the fella wouldn't take that to heart and it would be water off a ducks back regarding the players, if they didn't like it, it's not like they can't let Lawn know what they think. This whole pantomime reminds me of not a lot, except lots of hot air. Most people i've talked to regarding the squad, think it's the best we've had for years, Christie was a pro, Lawns a fan, keep that in mind as Christie should have, yeah it would be annoying having Lawn on your case, but it's a hard life, maybe Christie has health issues that he doesn't wish to comment on. CTID

This was directed in reply to dannbradf

lonniejockstrap wrote:

dannbradfc wrote:

lonniejockstrap wrote:

Onebrianmitchell wrote:

lonniejockstrap wrote:

dannbradfc wrote:
i have in the past always found that the bfb website was a verry reliable source of information, often before other sites, newspapers etc. for whateever reason they've now felt the need to shut down. They haven't i may add withdrawn their original claims to my knowledge.

it is however understandable how fans have reacted. There was two different stories via different sources doing the rounds about Christie's departure. Following the 'strange' circumstances surrounding the resignation of Jackson it is also understandable if many fans recognised a deja vu scenario, especially given the 'illness' reason in both cases.

Fans have also in the recent past had to witness Lawn's ill-timed and quite frankly scandulous acusations concerning jackson's squad. These players in the main are still at the club remember.

There have been many instances of Lawn saying this and that and when you put yourself in that role then you can also expect some flak when either what you say is proved to be untrue, or has hints of un-truth about them, or just don't make sense. Ask yourself why Rhodes does NOT come under the same criticism? For all we know he is just as equally responsible for the decision making and though i doubt it lawn's 'soundbites' to the media.

Lawn probably believes he says things as he see's them but he needs to also realise the effect such things can have for someone in his position.

Overall the fans reaction to this story is understandable and in many ways a natural reaction to a series of events involving Mr. Lawn. The fact that there is a difference of opinion about the truth in the story (although the current situation suggests that Lawn maybe the innocent party) should not deflect from why the reaction was so strong.

Lawn perhaps deserves an apology from many if its proven to be not true. However he himself should perhaps have done the same on other occasions, and show some humility to others as well. lawn's name is currently tarnished by past deeds and it will be difficult for him to turn this around i feel. As for the fans i say they've done little wrong considering the communication issues and past history

Dann, unfortunately you are doing the same as many do on here. You are repeating a claim that is NOT TRUE. Jacksons's reason for resigning was NOT 'illness'. ML said: "Peter told the board that IN LIGHT OF THE POOR START TO THE SEASON (my emphasis), he felt that to resign now would give the club that best possible chance for the rest of the season''. Nothing about illness was mentioned so why do you claim a 'deja vu scenario'?
.
The so called fans on this site (some not all) have deliberately and or incompetently misquoted the 'communication' that comes out of VP on regular basis. It's these sorts of perpetuated misquotes and myths that annoy me so much. If you can provide a quote where either Jacko or ML have said he left due to 'illness' I will be more that happy to hold my hand up and apologise to you.

Lawn said McCall was ill at the end of his tenure and it was for his own good fr him to go. Source. His interview with BFB. Therefore can't give you a link.

Whatever this pathetic drama has thrown up let's remember that 11 men will take to the pitch tomorrow in claret and Amber.

Let's get behind the boys and let's get 3 points. Whatever as happened is now, already, history.

Come on CITY.

McCall did not leave on the grounds of illness either!

LONNIE the poster doesn't say that he did. He merely repeats what he believes that Lawn said.

I on the other-hand, am perhaps guilty of implying the 'ill-ness' tag in regards to Jackson. My post should and would have been better read as using the word REASONING rather than reason, which as we know was unsustantiated. However As there as never been a clear reason given and with Lawn later 'slagging' off the side he had assembled its easy to get confused and without clear instruction its also natural to put things together, sometimes wrongly. But if there was/is nothing to hide just be truthful and clear and then avoid any hearsay or conjecture.

Your correct that illness was not used in this instance and this poster is correct in remembering that lawn it indeed was mentioned during the McCall era. Whose not doing a bad job now is he? I've never claimed to be infalible despite often been proven correct;)

LONNIE I have made the mistake of not sitting back (unlike yourself) and commenting as things were occuring or not as the case maybe. Indeed like yourself i too have found the bfb a very reliable source and like yourself they deserve respect for still putting their names on there. as i've said elsewhere though its easy to see why this situation arose and also demonstrates the build up of feeling of fans towards lawn and his running of our club. Many find some of his outbursts embarrasing, unbecoming, or simply plain wrong or stupid. Whatever, if he is going to 'spout-off' he also runs the risk of getting it back when it goes wrong. And its a fair and valid argument to say that been in the position we are and where we have been for a few years now its hardly gone right during his chairmanship.

(In fact now your back i would like a discussion on the apparent change from the intended summer language of long term development to the sudden need to re-build another squad, supplemented by loans again, only weeks into it.)

And whilst your picking others up on things i feel it necessary to point out you also may have been a little hasty or guilty of surmising things when on the one hand you state that the bfb forum is a "honourable site" with" honourable conrtibutors" then use this to suggest that they "made a mistake". Where do you get this from? Their site does not retract anything nor state that what they said was wrong. merely they say they do not want to hamper the progress of the club.

Thus you yourself are jumping to conclusions without facts it could be argued. Its also contradictory to then 'hint' that they may also have been leaned on. You have no facts to base any of this on, only that the bfb forum as for whatever reason been closed down.

No Dann, you are doing it again. You are claiming something that is not the case I DID NOT suggest they had made a mistake. I said: I believe they are honorable people and IF THEY BELIEVE they have made a serious mistake would take.........

. aS i state i put it to yourself that you MAY (thus its not a claim) have been "hasty" and use the word "in surmising" , to direct a question to yourself. i am just applying the logic you are attempting to use against others who may have jumped to conclusions.

The way you've worded it appears ideologically loaded to support one view. My reasons for 'suggesting' this in the first place is to demonstrate how rumours start in the first place e.g. unbalanced, unchecked opnions without opposing facts to disprove them.



Thus your implication COULD BE that the shutting down of the site COULD BE because of a mistake. You don't balance this up. Indeed you actually attempt to justify that were (IF) there have been pressure from the club for falsehoods (mistakes) you would do the same. You are placing a view of the situation without facts which is exactly what you are accusing others of doing. Thus i'm just playing devils advocate in demostrating how words, even written one's, can be appyed to support a prevailing opposing view.

I repeat that the bfb have not issued an apology, nor retracted their original claims as yet so where are you getting this idea from? You can therefore be said to be placing yourself in the position you are attempting to use to oppose others with or at least counter-balance with. By implication you can be accused of doing exactly what you claim others to be operating with e.g. mis-direction, with hearsay not facts. Indeed its arguably easy to pick fault or flaws in others arguments and yet offer nothing in return.

Fact is, is that the situation is still not clear about what has or hasn'r happened. Either in regards to Christies reasons for leaving nor bfb's shut down

dannbradfc wrote:

lonniejockstrap wrote:

Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:
I actually think that Stuart and the board did release something to the effect 'it was making him ill, he wasn't sleeping' etc etc (my memory of the situation not verbatim) not too sure it was given as THE reason entirely.

Quote from the Guardian:

He told the Yorkshire Post: "It is time for somebody else to come in and take up the reins and, hopefully, do well. Saturday's game would have been a defining line in the season for me. If we had beaten Bury, the dream of making seventh place would have been on.


"I don't regret coming back here for a second. I would have regretted it more if I hadn't taken the job. I have loved being manager of this club but it's a results-based business and they have not been good enough."

Quote from the Telegraph: Bradford manager Stuart McCall has resigned following a meeting with the club's joint chairman Julian Rhodes.
.
"The decision was felt to be in the best interests of all parties following a run of disappointing results that have left the club in 16th place in the League Two table.

"The club would like to place on record its appreciation for Stuart's efforts as manager over the past two years and seven months.

"During this time he has worked tirelessly and no one is more disappointed that his endeavours have not been rewarded with more success on the field than Stuart himself''.

Thats not the article/s he's referring to which does exist and refers to concerns over Stuarts health.

Furthemore Lonnie you appear to have bypassed my question above regarding your own inference that the bfb site was closed by themselves due to them "making a mistake". When in actual fact they don't say this, have not withdrawn their allegations, nor issued an apology. They actually just say that the site is shut so has not to hamper Bradford City's progress.

LONNIE You have been quick to point out where others have jumped to conclusions, without facts thus are you willing to applly the same logic to yourself??????

It's quite simple just quote the connection. I know what he's talking about because I read it on the BfB site Dann. It was well after Stuart left and it was during the 'Interview with Mark Lawn' article -if my memory serves me right. BUT, that wasn't the reason given at the time as to why Stuart left. It is/was being made out by you and others that the departure of managers and AC were being given an excuse of 'illness' by ML. I have demonstrated you were wrong.
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One of the quotes above is from Stuart McCall, was he lying?
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Don't be getting all flustered because I have pointed out you have made a mistake.I haven't 'bypassed' your question I have replied to your post above and highlighted where you have misquoted and taken out of context again.

dannbradfc wrote:

lonniejockstrap wrote:

dannbradfc wrote:

lonniejockstrap wrote:

Onebrianmitchell wrote:

lonniejockstrap wrote:

dannbradfc wrote:
i have in the past always found that the bfb website was a verry reliable source of information, often before other sites, newspapers etc. for whateever reason they've now felt the need to shut down. They haven't i may add withdrawn their original claims to my knowledge.

it is however understandable how fans have reacted. There was two different stories via different sources doing the rounds about Christie's departure. Following the 'strange' circumstances surrounding the resignation of Jackson it is also understandable if many fans recognised a deja vu scenario, especially given the 'illness' reason in both cases.

Fans have also in the recent past had to witness Lawn's ill-timed and quite frankly scandulous acusations concerning jackson's squad. These players in the main are still at the club remember.

There have been many instances of Lawn saying this and that and when you put yourself in that role then you can also expect some flak when either what you say is proved to be untrue, or has hints of un-truth about them, or just don't make sense. Ask yourself why Rhodes does NOT come under the same criticism? For all we know he is just as equally responsible for the decision making and though i doubt it lawn's 'soundbites' to the media.

Lawn probably believes he says things as he see's them but he needs to also realise the effect such things can have for someone in his position.

Overall the fans reaction to this story is understandable and in many ways a natural reaction to a series of events involving Mr. Lawn. The fact that there is a difference of opinion about the truth in the story (although the current situation suggests that Lawn maybe the innocent party) should not deflect from why the reaction was so strong.

Lawn perhaps deserves an apology from many if its proven to be not true. However he himself should perhaps have done the same on other occasions, and show some humility to others as well. lawn's name is currently tarnished by past deeds and it will be difficult for him to turn this around i feel. As for the fans i say they've done little wrong considering the communication issues and past history

Dann, unfortunately you are doing the same as many do on here. You are repeating a claim that is NOT TRUE. Jacksons's reason for resigning was NOT 'illness'. ML said: "Peter told the board that IN LIGHT OF THE POOR START TO THE SEASON (my emphasis), he felt that to resign now would give the club that best possible chance for the rest of the season''. Nothing about illness was mentioned so why do you claim a 'deja vu scenario'?
.
The so called fans on this site (some not all) have deliberately and or incompetently misquoted the 'communication' that comes out of VP on regular basis. It's these sorts of perpetuated misquotes and myths that annoy me so much. If you can provide a quote where either Jacko or ML have said he left due to 'illness' I will be more that happy to hold my hand up and apologise to you.

Lawn said McCall was ill at the end of his tenure and it was for his own good fr him to go. Source. His interview with BFB. Therefore can't give you a link.

Whatever this pathetic drama has thrown up let's remember that 11 men will take to the pitch tomorrow in claret and Amber.

Let's get behind the boys and let's get 3 points. Whatever as happened is now, already, history.

Come on CITY.

McCall did not leave on the grounds of illness either!

LONNIE the poster doesn't say that he did. He merely repeats what he believes that Lawn said.

I on the other-hand, am perhaps guilty of implying the 'ill-ness' tag in regards to Jackson. My post should and would have been better read as using the word REASONING rather than reason, which as we know was unsustantiated. However As there as never been a clear reason given and with Lawn later 'slagging' off the side he had assembled its easy to get confused and without clear instruction its also natural to put things together, sometimes wrongly. But if there was/is nothing to hide just be truthful and clear and then avoid any hearsay or conjecture.

Your correct that illness was not used in this instance and this poster is correct in remembering that lawn it indeed was mentioned during the McCall era. Whose not doing a bad job now is he? I've never claimed to be infalible despite often been proven correct;)

LONNIE I have made the mistake of not sitting back (unlike yourself) and commenting as things were occuring or not as the case maybe. Indeed like yourself i too have found the bfb a very reliable source and like yourself they deserve respect for still putting their names on there. as i've said elsewhere though its easy to see why this situation arose and also demonstrates the build up of feeling of fans towards lawn and his running of our club. Many find some of his outbursts embarrasing, unbecoming, or simply plain wrong or stupid. Whatever, if he is going to 'spout-off' he also runs the risk of getting it back when it goes wrong. And its a fair and valid argument to say that been in the position we are and where we have been for a few years now its hardly gone right during his chairmanship.

(In fact now your back i would like a discussion on the apparent change from the intended summer language of long term development to the sudden need to re-build another squad, supplemented by loans again, only weeks into it.)

And whilst your picking others up on things i feel it necessary to point out you also may have been a little hasty or guilty of surmising things when on the one hand you state that the bfb forum is a "honourable site" with" honourable conrtibutors" then use this to suggest that they "made a mistake". Where do you get this from? Their site does not retract anything nor state that what they said was wrong. merely they say they do not want to hamper the progress of the club.

Thus you yourself are jumping to conclusions without facts it could be argued. Its also contradictory to then 'hint' that they may also have been leaned on. You have no facts to base any of this on, only that the bfb forum as for whatever reason been closed down.

No Dann, you are doing it again. You are claiming something that is not the case I DID NOT suggest they had made a mistake. I said: I believe they are honorable people and IF THEY BELIEVE they have made a serious mistake would take.........

. aS i state i put it to yourself that you MAY (thus its not a claim) have been "hasty" and use the word "in surmising" , to direct a question to yourself. i am just applying the logic you are attempting to use against others who may have jumped to conclusions.

The way you've worded it appears ideologically loaded to support one view. My reasons for 'suggesting' this in the first place is to demonstrate how rumours start in the first place e.g. unbalanced, unchecked opnions without opposing facts to disprove them.



Thus your implication COULD BE that the shutting down of the site COULD BE because of a mistake. You don't balance this up. Indeed you actually attempt to justify that were (IF) there have been pressure from the club for falsehoods (mistakes) you would do the same. You are placing a view of the situation without facts which is exactly what you are accusing others of doing. Thus i'm just playing devils advocate in demostrating how words, even written one's, can be appyed to support a prevailing opposing view.

I repeat that the bfb have not issued an apology, nor retracted their original claims as yet so where are you getting this idea from? You can therefore be said to be placing yourself in the position you are attempting to use to oppose others with or at least counter-balance with. By implication you can be accused of doing exactly what you claim others to be operating with e.g. mis-direction, with hearsay not facts. Indeed its arguably easy to pick fault or flaws in others arguments and yet offer nothing in return.

Fact is, is that the situation is still not clear about what has or hasn'r happened. Either in regards to Christies reasons for leaving nor bfb's shut down

Dann, goodnight!

bcfc1903 wrote:
Maybe Christie didn't like Lawn, so what, he got offered a paid job, what does that say about the chairmen, hell it's not rocket is it. The guy wasn't getting paid, except expenses, he could still not be getting paid except for expenses, the job was his whether he took the paid club job or not, he was not fired, he walked. Yeah, Lawn comes across a a knarled hard head, so what. Lawn was having a go at the players, well he pays em, and they played garbage, he's every right to have a pop, i don't buy that this was a sideways swipe at Christie. Surely the fella wouldn't take that to heart and it would be water off a ducks back regarding the players, if they didn't like it, it's not like they can't let Lawn know what they think. This whole pantomime reminds me of not a lot, except lots of hot air. Most people i've talked to regarding the squad, think it's the best we've had for years, Christie was a pro, Lawns a fan, keep that in mind as Christie should have, yeah it would be annoying having Lawn on your case, but it's a hard life, maybe Christie has health issues that he doesn't wish to comment on. CTID

Surely if Christie has chosen the players that Lawn then accuses of been poor, this is also an attack at Christie? I'm sure i read Lawn prasing Christies signings earlier in the season.

I also agree that this is a decent squad of players. But surely by saying this you are also by extension disagreeing with lawns claims? Unless you only mean now we have brought in half a dozen new lads.

we only know that for whatver reason christie turned down a job offer. What this role entailed and why it wasn't accepted are not really clear. this is where the 'hot air' comes from really. e.g. things not been clear from the outset. the last 3 mangers for whatever reason have allfelt the need to resign. we never i feel heard the reasons for this from stu and definately jackson, whose magically disappeared altogether;). this COULD be a contractual thing or maybe there isn't anything to tell? ;0.

one thing is that lawn's past 'outbursts' are following him around. the only way he will really get rid of some of the views people have of him rightly or wrongly, will be to acheive some sort of success at the club. whilst we continue to struggle or not progress, each time something happens whereby lawn is involved some will want to castigate him.

so BCFC1903 its so sad to see you all falling out in lumps over staff coming and going.It happens all the time you know in business.people dont always get on
I hear the Alhambra have booked Mark for christmas.he"s playing tweedle dee AND tweedle dumb.
Get a life you paradrers.get up to Avenue.you"ll have an awfull lot more fun with the happy club in Bradford.
stop making yourselves miserable.

I was gonna say touche and leave it at that,....

however you've done this a few times now where you instigate a debate and then once countered appear to disregard it with contempt. I f by pointing out how your own logic COULD be applied to some of your own statements i have in some way offended you or you find it patronising then i aplogise, but i refuse to engage in debate with you if once countered or quizzed you consider it beneath you to answer.

goodnight and sweet dreams.....

arhmen aleg wrote:
so BCFC1903 its so sad to see you all falling out in lumps over staff coming and going.It happens all the time you know in business.people dont always get on
I hear the Alhambra have booked Mark for christmas.he"s playing tweedle dee AND tweedle dumb.
Get a life you paradrers.get up to Avenue.you"ll have an awfull lot more fun with the happy club in Bradford.
stop making yourselves miserable.

There's lots of stories concerning your own chairman you may want to discuss on your own site;0

shaun from richmond wrote:
Ha ha ...I wondered who would get trotted out?? Step up John Hendrie!!...........

....................

............"JA
CKO"!
! sends his regards!!

Fool!

This is all very sudden and as a result, fans have jumped on the conspiracy theories.
.
So what facts do we know.
1) Archie Christie was recently championing his role and what he is in line for the club.
2) The board came out and publicly backed what AC has done for the club.
3) AC quit despite working that morning. The club say it was due to ill health, whereas AC himself claims it was because he wouldn't want the new job offered to him.
4) BfB posted a story claiming to have heard Lawn slagging off the Development Squad and actually cheering on their opponents. This has since been dismissed by several people within earshot, including Joh Hendrie.
5) BfB close down their own site after speaking to club officials.
6) Both PP and ML have recently criticised the quality of the squad inherited by PP. Most of these signings have already been attributed to Christie.
.
So what have we heard that cannot or has not been backed up.
A) We have heard of fall-outs between Lawn & Christie, over signings and/or the development squad players.
B) The club claim Christie walked due to ill health.
C) Christie claims he walked because he didn't want to accept the new job being offered.
.
So who is telling the truth? The only thing I would add is this. Lawn has been slated for criticisng the squad left by Jacko. Fair point as I don't feel the Chairman should be commenting on such matters. However, how come nobody jumped up and down when PP said exactly the same as Lawn, but weeks EARLIER...!

Well, there are still a lot of unanswered questions about Christie's departure for me.

Why have Christie and the club gave different reasons as to him leaving?

If he did turn down the CEO post, then why couldn't he just stay in his current job? If there were concerns over his health, then why couldn't his role just be scaled down, so we could still take advantage of his contacts and knowledge?

Why did he just thank Rhodes for his efforts?

This is on top of Lawn, a couple of weeks ago saying that Jacko's squad wasn't good enough; when Christie was instrumental in bringing a number of these new recruits into the club, such as the 3 Scottish lads and Jones.

And then you've got Jacko's apparent resignation; a few weeks after saying it was his dream job.

So you are honestly telling me that Jacko, who obviously cares about the club, if he had resigned, wouldn't have publicly confirmed this, to allay the fans concerns, and put an end to the negative speculation against the chairmen? It would suggest that part of his settlement meant that he couldn't comment about the reasons for his departure.

I can remember Tordoff and Higginbottom getting a load of stick from the terraces, but I can never remember this level of mistrust, and the board have got to ask the question as to why.

I don't believe all they tell us, and it's this lack of honesty, that is leading to all this speculation.

Anyway, to more important things, hopefully we'll be celebrating 3 points in 14 hours time. A result and performance like in last season's home game against Cheltenham will do me fine.

lonniejockstrap wrote:

shaun from richmond wrote:

lonniejockstrap wrote:

Onebrianmitchell wrote:

lonniejockstrap wrote:

dannbradfc wrote: i have in the past always found that the bfb website was a verry reliable source of information, often before other sites, newspapers etc. for whateever reason they've now felt the need to shut down. They haven't i may add withdrawn their original claims to my knowledge. it is however understandable how fans have reacted. There was two different stories via different sources doing the rounds about Christie's departure. Following the 'strange' circumstances surrounding the resignation of Jackson it is also understandable if many fans recognised a deja vu scenario, especially given the 'illness' reason in both cases. Fans have also in the recent past had to witness Lawn's ill-timed and quite frankly scandulous acusations concerning jackson's squad. These players in the main are still at the club remember. There have been many instances of Lawn saying this and that and when you put yourself in that role then you can also expect some flak when either what you say is proved to be untrue, or has hints of un-truth about them, or just don't make sense. Ask yourself why Rhodes does NOT come under the same criticism? For all we know he is just as equally responsible for the decision making and though i doubt it lawn's 'soundbites' to the media. Lawn probably believes he says things as he see's them but he needs to also realise the effect such things can have for someone in his position. Overall the fans reaction to this story is understandable and in many ways a natural reaction to a series of events involving Mr. Lawn. The fact that there is a difference of opinion about the truth in the story (although the current situation suggests that Lawn maybe the innocent party) should not deflect from why the reaction was so strong. Lawn perhaps deserves an apology from many if its proven to be not true. However he himself should perhaps have done the same on other occasions, and show some humility to others as well. lawn's name is currently tarnished by past deeds and it will be difficult for him to turn this around i feel. As for the fans i say they've done little wrong considering the communication issues and past history

Dann, unfortunately you are doing the same as many do on here. You are repeating a claim that is NOT TRUE. Jacksons's reason for resigning was NOT 'illness'. ML said: "Peter told the board that IN LIGHT OF THE POOR START TO THE SEASON (my emphasis), he felt that to resign now would give the club that best possible chance for the rest of the season''. Nothing about illness was mentioned so why do you claim a 'deja vu scenario'? . The so called fans on this site (some not all) have deliberately and or incompetently misquoted the 'communication' that comes out of VP on regular basis. It's these sorts of perpetuated misquotes and myths that annoy me so much. If you can provide a quote where either Jacko or ML have said he left due to 'illness' I will be more that happy to hold my hand up and apologise to you.

Lawn said McCall was ill at the end of his tenure and it was for his own good fr him to go. Source. His interview with BFB. Therefore can't give you a link. Whatever this pathetic drama has thrown up let's remember that 11 men will take to the pitch tomorrow in claret and Amber. Let's get behind the boys and let's get 3 points. Whatever as happened is now, already, history. Come on CITY.

McCall did not leave on the grounds of illness either!

OH....NO!! The demise of BFB!! Has brought "LONNIE" back!

One of the problems the Internet has introduced is that in this electronic village, ALL the village idiots have Internet access. Even you Shaun from Rampton, aka the Rampton sociopath, is allowed to entertain us in a Internet replication/reinvent ion akin to 18th century Bedlam Hospital. Thanks for entertaining us in only the way you know how. Now then, NURSE!

Name calling??.........Oh dear!!

shaun from richmond wrote:

lonniejockstrap wrote:

shaun from richmond wrote:

lonniejockstrap wrote:

Onebrianmitchell wrote:

lonniejockstrap wrote:

dannbradfc wrote: i have in the past always found that the bfb website was a verry reliable source of information, often before other sites, newspapers etc. for whateever reason they've now felt the need to shut down. They haven't i may add withdrawn their original claims to my knowledge. it is however understandable how fans have reacted. There was two different stories via different sources doing the rounds about Christie's departure. Following the 'strange' circumstances surrounding the resignation of Jackson it is also understandable if many fans recognised a deja vu scenario, especially given the 'illness' reason in both cases. Fans have also in the recent past had to witness Lawn's ill-timed and quite frankly scandulous acusations concerning jackson's squad. These players in the main are still at the club remember. There have been many instances of Lawn saying this and that and when you put yourself in that role then you can also expect some flak when either what you say is proved to be untrue, or has hints of un-truth about them, or just don't make sense. Ask yourself why Rhodes does NOT come under the same criticism? For all we know he is just as equally responsible for the decision making and though i doubt it lawn's 'soundbites' to the media. Lawn probably believes he says things as he see's them but he needs to also realise the effect such things can have for someone in his position. Overall the fans reaction to this story is understandable and in many ways a natural reaction to a series of events involving Mr. Lawn. The fact that there is a difference of opinion about the truth in the story (although the current situation suggests that Lawn maybe the innocent party) should not deflect from why the reaction was so strong. Lawn perhaps deserves an apology from many if its proven to be not true. However he himself should perhaps have done the same on other occasions, and show some humility to others as well. lawn's name is currently tarnished by past deeds and it will be difficult for him to turn this around i feel. As for the fans i say they've done little wrong considering the communication issues and past history

Dann, unfortunately you are doing the same as many do on here. You are repeating a claim that is NOT TRUE. Jacksons's reason for resigning was NOT 'illness'. ML said: "Peter told the board that IN LIGHT OF THE POOR START TO THE SEASON (my emphasis), he felt that to resign now would give the club that best possible chance for the rest of the season''. Nothing about illness was mentioned so why do you claim a 'deja vu scenario'? . The so called fans on this site (some not all) have deliberately and or incompetently misquoted the 'communication' that comes out of VP on regular basis. It's these sorts of perpetuated misquotes and myths that annoy me so much. If you can provide a quote where either Jacko or ML have said he left due to 'illness' I will be more that happy to hold my hand up and apologise to you.

Lawn said McCall was ill at the end of his tenure and it was for his own good fr him to go. Source. His interview with BFB. Therefore can't give you a link. Whatever this pathetic drama has thrown up let's remember that 11 men will take to the pitch tomorrow in claret and Amber. Let's get behind the boys and let's get 3 points. Whatever as happened is now, already, history. Come on CITY.

McCall did not leave on the grounds of illness either!

OH....NO!! The demise of BFB!! Has brought "LONNIE" back!

One of the problems the Internet has introduced is that in this electronic village, ALL the village idiots have Internet access. Even you Shaun from Rampton, aka the Rampton sociopath, is allowed to entertain us in a Internet replication/reinvent ion akin to 18th century Bedlam Hospital. Thanks for entertaining us in only the way you know how. Now then, NURSE!

Name calling??.........Oh dear!!

Shaun I dont know who is worse you or Casper with posting on here

bcfc1903 wrote:
I still don't know what all this is about. Let me get this right Christie was offered a well paid job at the club but turned it down. He could have stayed on doing what he's been doing, it wasn't take the job or your gone. What's the problem. Wow it sounds like a few people need their heads shaking. Christie decided to walk end of, John Hendrie one of the all time Bradford City legends says there's no truth in the other garbage being spun about Lawn, that's good enough for me. I can see a massive brawl tomorrow as there seems to be so called fans trying to bring the club down, because if Lawn goes, BCFC more than likely go back into admin, if that happens it's more than likely the end of our great football club. Don't get suckered into damaging the club, get down tomorrow and make sure BCFC pick up the points. CTID

Your last sentence is perfectly put DO NOT LET WHAT AS OR HAS NOT BEEN SAID DAMAGE OUR CLUB.

Waynus1971 wrote:
This is all very sudden and as a result, fans have jumped on the conspiracy theories. . So what facts do we know. 1) Archie Christie was recently championing his role and what he is in line for the club. 2) The board came out and publicly backed what AC has done for the club. 3) AC quit despite working that morning. The club say it was due to ill health, whereas AC himself claims it was because he wouldn't want the new job offered to him. 4) BfB posted a story claiming to have heard Lawn slagging off the Development Squad and actually cheering on their opponents. This has since been dismissed by several people within earshot, including Joh Hendrie. 5) BfB close down their own site after speaking to club officials. 6) Both PP and ML have recently criticised the quality of the squad inherited by PP. Most of these signings have already been attributed to Christie. . So what have we heard that cannot or has not been backed up. A) We have heard of fall-outs between Lawn & Christie, over signings and/or the development squad players. B) The club claim Christie walked due to ill health. C) Christie claims he walked because he didn't want to accept the new job being offered. . So who is telling the truth? The only thing I would add is this. Lawn has been slated for criticisng the squad left by Jacko. Fair point as I don't feel the Chairman should be commenting on such matters. However, how come nobody jumped up and down when PP said exactly the same as Lawn, but weeks EARLIER...!

Well put Waynus someone who as actually summarised all whats been said rather than slagging anyone off.

Waynus1971 wrote:
This is all very sudden and as a result, fans have jumped on the conspiracy theories.
.
So what facts do we know.
1) Archie Christie was recently championing his role and what he is in line for the club.
2) The board came out and publicly backed what AC has done for the club.
3) AC quit despite working that morning. The club say it was due to ill health, whereas AC himself claims it was because he wouldn't want the new job offered to him.
4) BfB posted a story claiming to have heard Lawn slagging off the Development Squad and actually cheering on their opponents. This has since been dismissed by several people within earshot, including Joh Hendrie.
5) BfB close down their own site after speaking to club officials.
6) Both PP and ML have recently criticised the quality of the squad inherited by PP. Most of these signings have already been attributed to Christie.
.
So what have we heard that cannot or has not been backed up.
A) We have heard of fall-outs between Lawn & Christie, over signings and/or the development squad players.
B) The club claim Christie walked due to ill health.
C) Christie claims he walked because he didn't want to accept the new job being offered.
.
So who is telling the truth? The only thing I would add is this. Lawn has been slated for criticisng the squad left by Jacko. Fair point as I don't feel the Chairman should be commenting on such matters. However, how come nobody jumped up and down when PP said exactly the same as Lawn, but weeks EARLIER...!

Well for one when PP mentioned the squad he did not call them the worst in the league that is a damaging statement. PP just said that the squad was thin on experience and some of the younger lads were not ready yet. That is not slagging them off as the worst in the league. As for john hendrie and his integrity well all I'll say is didn't he play for Leeds after once saying he could never play for a club like that? I know Stuart refused to play for scum it didn't bother john so maybe he now wants to put himself in pole position to work for lawn after the next bout of ilness to strike the club

Bradford1903 wrote:
Well, there are still a lot of unanswered questions about Christie's departure for me.

Why have Christie and the club gave different reasons as to him leaving?

If he did turn down the CEO post, then why couldn't he just stay in his current job? If there were concerns over his health, then why couldn't his role just be scaled down, so we could still take advantage of his contacts and knowledge?

Why did he just thank Rhodes for his efforts?

This is on top of Lawn, a couple of weeks ago saying that Jacko's squad wasn't good enough; when Christie was instrumental in bringing a number of these new recruits into the club, such as the 3 Scottish lads and Jones.

And then you've got Jacko's apparent resignation; a few weeks after saying it was his dream job.

So you are honestly telling me that Jacko, who obviously cares about the club, if he had resigned, wouldn't have publicly confirmed this, to allay the fans concerns, and put an end to the negative speculation against the chairmen? It would suggest that part of his settlement meant that he couldn't comment about the reasons for his departure.

I can remember Tordoff and Higginbottom getting a load of stick from the terraces, but I can never remember this level of mistrust, and the board have got to ask the question as to why.

I don't believe all they tell us, and it's this lack of honesty, that is leading to all this speculation.

Anyway, to more important things, hopefully we'll be celebrating 3 points in 14 hours time. A result and performance like in last season's home game against Cheltenham will do me fine.

Al my points and along with waynus's post thats it in a nut shell. The picture isn't clear and thus fans naturally question. No crime there

Lonnie, I did actually state it was as I remembered it and nothing was quoted, I also said I didn't know if it was ever used as one of the reasons for stu leaving, I just know it was said at some point and I think any of us who saw stu at that time could see the pressure had taken its toll and he didn't look 100 in those final weeks. I wasn't picking an argument with anyone.


As for the rest of us, we've got a desperate 3 points to pick up and it won't be made easier if this carries into the game and energy is aimed towards the non playing members of the club. Any disgruntled, dismayed or disheartened fans who feel a need to challenge anything that has happened this week, get the weekend out of the way, sleep on it and see if any further 'facts' are released which may change collective minds.

Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:
Lonnie, I did actually state it was as I remembered it and nothing was quoted, I also said I didn't know if it was ever used as one of the reasons for stu leaving, I just know it was said at some point and I think any of us who saw stu at that time could see the pressure had taken its toll and he didn't look 100 in those final weeks. I wasn't picking an argument with anyone.


As for the rest of us, we've got a desperate 3 points to pick up and it won't be made easier if this carries into the game and energy is aimed towards the non playing members of the club. Any disgruntled, dismayed or disheartened fans who feel a need to challenge anything that has happened this week, get the weekend out of the way, sleep on it and see if any further 'facts' are released which may change collective minds.

i agree. We need to score first though i feel to truly allay any concerns i that department.

1. Either BfB were duped by Archie (making them victims just as much as Mark Lawn).

2. John Hendrie is part of an official cover up job, with the club using the media to brush everything under the carpet.

I would lean towards 1. However, what is at question is why Archie was offered the Chief Exec job and then suddenly leave with 'ill health, or 'to spend more time with his familiy'.

Who would have disliked Archie being Chief Exec? There's your answer to what kicked off all this.

dannbradfc wrote:

bcfc1903 wrote:
Maybe Christie didn't like Lawn, so what, he got offered a paid job, what does that say about the chairmen, hell it's not rocket is it. The guy wasn't getting paid, except expenses, he could still not be getting paid except for expenses, the job was his whether he took the paid club job or not, he was not fired, he walked. Yeah, Lawn comes across a a knarled hard head, so what. Lawn was having a go at the players, well he pays em, and they played garbage, he's every right to have a pop, i don't buy that this was a sideways swipe at Christie. Surely the fella wouldn't take that to heart and it would be water off a ducks back regarding the players, if they didn't like it, it's not like they can't let Lawn know what they think. This whole pantomime reminds me of not a lot, except lots of hot air. Most people i've talked to regarding the squad, think it's the best we've had for years, Christie was a pro, Lawns a fan, keep that in mind as Christie should have, yeah it would be annoying having Lawn on your case, but it's a hard life, maybe Christie has health issues that he doesn't wish to comment on. CTID

Surely if Christie has chosen the players that Lawn then accuses of been poor, this is also an attack at Christie? I'm sure i read Lawn prasing Christies signings earlier in the season.

I also agree that this is a decent squad of players. But surely by saying this you are also by extension disagreeing with lawns claims? Unless you only mean now we have brought in half a dozen new lads.

we only know that for whatver reason christie turned down a job offer. What this role entailed and why it wasn't accepted are not really clear. this is where the 'hot air' comes from really. e.g. things not been clear from the outset. the last 3 mangers for whatever reason have allfelt the need to resign. we never i feel heard the reasons for this from stu and definately jackson, whose magically disappeared altogether;). this COULD be a contractual thing or maybe there isn't anything to tell? ;0.

one thing is that lawn's past 'outbursts' are following him around. the only way he will really get rid of some of the views people have of him rightly or wrongly, will be to acheive some sort of success at the club. whilst we continue to struggle or not progress, each time something happens whereby lawn is involved some will want to castigate him.

Well i'm sure he thought they were good when they won, Lawn's a fan first, paymaster second, he can say what he wants and anyone can think what they want regarding what he's said. I can't imagine Christie picking all the players, but he's a pro, water off a ducks back comes to mind. I disagree with some of what Lawn claims, although he had every right like other BCFC fans had, to let it be known the quality of the players display at Hereford, one game doesn't make a season, the fellas a fan with all that goes with that. By most accounts i've read, Christie has been ill recently, i'm sure that had a bearing on the decision, i'm sure that both are big chracters, so maybe, they hated the site of each other. To be honest, i'm finding it hard to follow what people resigning has to do with anything, other than this sort of stuff goes on at all football clubs. I agree with your take on pleasing everyone, your last paragraph, as a little addition, when Rhodes was solely in charge, very little came out of the club, for which he got hammered by some, Lawn is the direct opposite, but he also get's hammered by some, i find that funny. Anyway, let's hope we get three points today, i'm taking my boxing gloves lol, take it easy. CTID

arhmen aleg wrote:
so BCFC1903 its so sad to see you all falling out in lumps over staff coming and going.It happens all the time you know in business.people dont always get on
I hear the Alhambra have booked Mark for christmas.he"s playing tweedle dee AND tweedle dumb.
Get a life you paradrers.get up to Avenue.you"ll have an awfull lot more fun with the happy club in Bradford.
stop making yourselves miserable.

Surely you are playing tweedle dumb. CTID

burleybantam wrote:
BFB has shut down. Of course the club threatened to sue. I would have done the same. If BFB had any evidence what so ever that this story was true then they wouldn’t have shut down the website. You can’t yell conspiracy at every story that comes out of the club.

Well said. Most fans are sick of some of the muppets on here who know absolutely nothing about anything yet still insist on shooting their mouths off, They have been made to look stupid now.Wish they would get behind the club or find another club. C T I D

lonniejockstrap wrote:
I have been criticising and arguing with posters on this site -at various times- over a number of months about their unsubstantiated claims and the damage their irresponsible postings can have. Jumping to conclusions, abusing Chairmen, Managers, Sports writers, players etc but it still continues . You members of the T&A kangaroo Court -and you all know who you are- have brought shame on City supporters as a whole with your disgraceful attacks over recent months and should feel very ashamed. Some are even suggesting John Hendrie is giving out a false statement now!! What sort of people are you for gods sake!

Agree totally

Two things leap out at me here. I have never heard of anyone being offered a " better" job which has led to them resigning, surely you just say no thanks and continue in the role you had previously? That is if you are in fact valued at that current role. Secondly if something is reported which is untrue then you either get a retraction printed or demand the right to reply in the same place? You do not put pressure on a site which has always been very impartial causing it to shut down? I noticed with interest thar Archie had stated he was willing to give BfB a full interview at a later date which is now impossible. What I do know is, all the team spirit which I both saw and talked to the players about at pre season games has entirely vanished and some players could not get a game for this current manager no matter what they do. I am aware that Mr Lawn is a long term fan of City but how does he manage, as a fan, to have the issues he has regarding City legends I'd Stuart who it reported he didn't speak to for months, and Jacko who he has publicly slated. You have made your money Mark and much of what you have done at City has been superb, but now it's time to realise your limitations, you are no more qualified to make ridiculous statements about the quality of the playing staff than I am and for you to do it in public is grossly irresponsible. have a word with yourself and get a grip.

Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:
Lonnie, I did actually state it was as I remembered it and nothing was quoted, I also said I didn't know if it was ever used as one of the reasons for stu leaving, I just know it was said at some point and I think any of us who saw stu at that time could see the pressure had taken its toll and he didn't look 100 in those final weeks. I wasn't picking an argument with anyone.


As for the rest of us, we've got a desperate 3 points to pick up and it won't be made easier if this carries into the game and energy is aimed towards the non playing members of the club. Any disgruntled, dismayed or disheartened fans who feel a need to challenge anything that has happened this week, get the weekend out of the way, sleep on it and see if any further 'facts' are released which may change collective minds.

I apologise if my post in response to yours came across as anything other than information that could be relied upon. I was simply trying to quash the 'accusation' (not yours) that Lawn was claiming that those managers -ie Stuart and Jacko- and AC that had 'resigned' from their posts had done so on the grounds of illness. Keep up the good posts.

macca1969 wrote:

Waynus1971 wrote:
This is all very sudden and as a result, fans have jumped on the conspiracy theories.
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So what facts do we know.
1) Archie Christie was recently championing his role and what he is in line for the club.
2) The board came out and publicly backed what AC has done for the club.
3) AC quit despite working that morning. The club say it was due to ill health, whereas AC himself claims it was because he wouldn't want the new job offered to him.
4) BfB posted a story claiming to have heard Lawn slagging off the Development Squad and actually cheering on their opponents. This has since been dismissed by several people within earshot, including Joh Hendrie.
5) BfB close down their own site after speaking to club officials.
6) Both PP and ML have recently criticised the quality of the squad inherited by PP. Most of these signings have already been attributed to Christie.
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So what have we heard that cannot or has not been backed up.
A) We have heard of fall-outs between Lawn & Christie, over signings and/or the development squad players.
B) The club claim Christie walked due to ill health.
C) Christie claims he walked because he didn't want to accept the new job being offered.
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So who is telling the truth? The only thing I would add is this. Lawn has been slated for criticisng the squad left by Jacko. Fair point as I don't feel the Chairman should be commenting on such matters. However, how come nobody jumped up and down when PP said exactly the same as Lawn, but weeks EARLIER...!

Well for one when PP mentioned the squad he did not call them the worst in the league that is a damaging statement. PP just said that the squad was thin on experience and some of the younger lads were not ready yet. That is not slagging them off as the worst in the league. As for john hendrie and his integrity well all I'll say is didn't he play for Leeds after once saying he could never play for a club like that? I know Stuart refused to play for scum it didn't bother john so maybe he now wants to put himself in pole position to work for lawn after the next bout of ilness to strike the club

macca, Jacko said the whole squad was available if Clubs were interested. Jacko said something along the lines of Blue and White running through his veins. Stuart waited to see if was to be offered the Sheff U Managers job when Warnock was leaving. So lets do a bit of growing up and get off the back of the man who: 1) has supported City for something like 46 years 2) invested at least £2m into the Club 3) has backed the managers with increased player budgets 4) provided City with the lowest season tickets in the league 5) helped buy the office and car parks in order to safeguard the short-term future of VP.
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Lawn puts his finances and health on the line for Bradford City and the thanks he gets from the fans is abuse and propagandist attacks, a very skewed view of past events and misquotes.
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Your attack on Hendrie does you no credit whatsoever, it is a very immature, crass statement and demonstrates desperation when used as a means to attack the man who plays a very large part in keeping the Club going.

For crying out loud, can we all please stop the infighting, name calling, and all the other child like insults that are passing between us, and dragging the name of our great club down even further. We all have our opinion's and are entitled to think whatever we want to think, but lets stop the name calling and calling other teams scum and dog botherers etc. Please behave like grown ups and let the kids keep the playground mentality.

Tinybantam wrote:
For crying out loud, can we all please stop the infighting, name calling, and all the other child like insults that are passing between us, and dragging the name of our great club down even further. We all have our opinion's and are entitled to think whatever we want to think, but lets stop the name calling and calling other teams scum and dog botherers etc. Please behave like grown ups and let the kids keep the playground mentality.

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I don't trust a word John Hendrie says after the way he's slated Stuart McCall and Jacko in the past.

Legend he might be from his playing days but these days he's not fit to clean the toilets.

Mark Lawn must really have a love for BCFC. He has to put up with all the childish name calling, false accusations and being treated as the villain of the piece. Maybe he should just walk away and let the idiots take over the asylum. No doubt they would see the Blue Square Premier as the gateway to bigger things - oblivion.

bettyswollocks wrote:
I don't trust a word John Hendrie says after the way he's slated Stuart McCall and Jacko in the past.

Legend he might be from his playing days but these days he's not fit to clean the toilets.

If you knew John, you would know he is a straightforward honest man. Only a complete moron could make a comment such as yours.