Peter Taylor's words hit home after nervous display at Valley Parade (From Bradford Telegraph and Argus)

It's a good job we are playing with confidence away from home or we would have had two spankings at Shrewsbury and Torquay instead of two 'narrow' two goal defeats! Trying to stay positive, I don't think PT has settled on his strongest 11 yet although not sure how he will find with constant changing of the team sheet. I think a dozen games before we can justifiably panic. I still have faith in PT though. Roll on Saturday. CTID.

I'm bored of hearing the same old rubbish come from Valley Parade. The more I listen to Taylor the more I wish he'd just keep quiet and get on with his job. Saturday will be the same, 4-3-3 to start with, lump the ball up to Hanson, get spanked in midfield (Again), wholesale changes at half time (4-4-2), slightly better performance in the second half because Hanson has been talken off on the players actually have to try pass the ball, but ultimately all wind and p!55 and we lose 1-0.

The only way to get rid of the fear would have been to sign some players with balls while the opportunity was there, its gone now so I will choose to get use to it or not go..

I know SM was a club legend when he was in charge @ BCFC and still is today!
But have you noticed the massive difference in the way SM and PT are looked upon by people on here who are meant to be BCFC supporters, but are really just clueless idiots!!!
Firstly, SM came to manage BCFC because Sheff.Utd did not offer him the managers post there, simple as that! He then arrived at BCFC far too late to have a positive impact on the season ahead due to him hanging on for the job he really wanted in the steel city. So SM arrived late with no track record or managerial experience at any level and was then given 2 years of total patience by supporters before people started getting on his back.
PT has arrived as an ex-england boss with a brilliant track record at this level and introduced some much needed systems that other bosses have overlooked! Yet people are starting to get on his back already!
Why? Give the man a chance!
He knows what is required and what is going wrong and gives BCFC what it hasn't had for years, honest leadership! Past managers have come on the radio afterwards and had no answers and said they will have to watch the video on Monday! PT can see what is wrong straight away!
At the end of the day, if PT can't get us out of this **** division, no-one can!
So we all need to give him the same support and patience that SM got because there is definately more chance of BCFC being promoted with PT at the helm than there ever was with SM there!!!

city442 wrote:
I know SM was a club legend when he was in charge @ BCFC and still is today!
But have you noticed the massive difference in the way SM and PT are looked upon by people on here who are meant to be BCFC supporters, but are really just clueless idiots!!!
Firstly, SM came to manage BCFC because Sheff.Utd did not offer him the managers post there, simple as that! He then arrived at BCFC far too late to have a positive impact on the season ahead due to him hanging on for the job he really wanted in the steel city. So SM arrived late with no track record or managerial experience at any level and was then given 2 years of total patience by supporters before people started getting on his back.
PT has arrived as an ex-england boss with a brilliant track record at this level and introduced some much needed systems that other bosses have overlooked! Yet people are starting to get on his back already!
Why? Give the man a chance!
He knows what is required and what is going wrong and gives BCFC what it hasn't had for years, honest leadership! Past managers have come on the radio afterwards and had no answers and said they will have to watch the video on Monday! PT can see what is wrong straight away!
At the end of the day, if PT can't get us out of this **** division, no-one can!
So we all need to give him the same support and patience that SM got because there is definately more chance of BCFC being promoted with PT at the helm than there ever was with SM there!!!

There is only you talking about SM! That's in the past. It's just the same old garbage coming out of Valley Parade. On Friday, 10 mins into the game about 6 of us all called exactly what Taylor would do (change to 442, OB up into midfield, etc, etc). I'm not against him, it's just people are very blinkered to the fact he has almost as much of a bad managerial record than a good one.

city442 wrote:
I know SM was a club legend when he was in charge @ BCFC and still is today! But have you noticed the massive difference in the way SM and PT are looked upon by people on here who are meant to be BCFC supporters, but are really just clueless idiots!!! Firstly, SM came to manage BCFC because Sheff.Utd did not offer him the managers post there, simple as that! He then arrived at BCFC far too late to have a positive impact on the season ahead due to him hanging on for the job he really wanted in the steel city. So SM arrived late with no track record or managerial experience at any level and was then given 2 years of total patience by supporters before people started getting on his back. PT has arrived as an ex-england boss with a brilliant track record at this level and introduced some much needed systems that other bosses have overlooked! Yet people are starting to get on his back already! Why? Give the man a chance! He knows what is required and what is going wrong and gives BCFC what it hasn't had for years, honest leadership! Past managers have come on the radio afterwards and had no answers and said they will have to watch the video on Monday! PT can see what is wrong straight away! At the end of the day, if PT can't get us out of this **** division, no-one can! So we all need to give him the same support and patience that SM got because there is definately more chance of BCFC being promoted with PT at the helm than there ever was with SM there!!!

I echo those comments entirely. I wasn't happy with the way Taylor publicly hung out his young keeper & central defender to dry, but as a manager/coach, his track record is up there with the best. We need to keep faith and be a little more patient.
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We can all slate his signings and tactics. However, even Ferguson has bought some players that haven't performed at United and got it wrong tactically. He was supposedly one game away from the sack, but look how he turned it around. I believe, closer to home, we can look at Jagger in the same light.
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No, it's no fun being a City fan at present, but lets get behind him and watch him turn things around.

blacksheep wrote:

city442 wrote: I know SM was a club legend when he was in charge @ BCFC and still is today! But have you noticed the massive difference in the way SM and PT are looked upon by people on here who are meant to be BCFC supporters, but are really just clueless idiots!!! Firstly, SM came to manage BCFC because Sheff.Utd did not offer him the managers post there, simple as that! He then arrived at BCFC far too late to have a positive impact on the season ahead due to him hanging on for the job he really wanted in the steel city. So SM arrived late with no track record or managerial experience at any level and was then given 2 years of total patience by supporters before people started getting on his back. PT has arrived as an ex-england boss with a brilliant track record at this level and introduced some much needed systems that other bosses have overlooked! Yet people are starting to get on his back already! Why? Give the man a chance! He knows what is required and what is going wrong and gives BCFC what it hasn't had for years, honest leadership! Past managers have come on the radio afterwards and had no answers and said they will have to watch the video on Monday! PT can see what is wrong straight away! At the end of the day, if PT can't get us out of this **** division, no-one can! So we all need to give him the same support and patience that SM got because there is definately more chance of BCFC being promoted with PT at the helm than there ever was with SM there!!!

There is only you talking about SM! That's in the past. It's just the same old garbage coming out of Valley Parade. On Friday, 10 mins into the game about 6 of us all called exactly what Taylor would do (change to 442, OB up into midfield, etc, etc). I'm not against him, it's just people are very blinkered to the fact he has almost as much of a bad managerial record than a good one.

I was just making a comparison with SM, not really talking about him!
When you say about 6 of you called exactly what PT was going to do 10 mins into the game on Friday!
Well can you not count very well?
Was there maybe 4, 5, 7 or 8 of you? Or was it about 6 of you?
And out of that about 6 of you, all of you called exactly what PT was going to do, not what he might do, but exactly what he was going to do!
Go learn to count exactly how many of you there was and tell us some of the things you all called exactly that PT didn't end up doing, because there would of been more of them you doughnut!!!

city442 wrote:

blacksheep wrote:

city442 wrote: I know SM was a club legend when he was in charge @ BCFC and still is today! But have you noticed the massive difference in the way SM and PT are looked upon by people on here who are meant to be BCFC supporters, but are really just clueless idiots!!! Firstly, SM came to manage BCFC because Sheff.Utd did not offer him the managers post there, simple as that! He then arrived at BCFC far too late to have a positive impact on the season ahead due to him hanging on for the job he really wanted in the steel city. So SM arrived late with no track record or managerial experience at any level and was then given 2 years of total patience by supporters before people started getting on his back. PT has arrived as an ex-england boss with a brilliant track record at this level and introduced some much needed systems that other bosses have overlooked! Yet people are starting to get on his back already! Why? Give the man a chance! He knows what is required and what is going wrong and gives BCFC what it hasn't had for years, honest leadership! Past managers have come on the radio afterwards and had no answers and said they will have to watch the video on Monday! PT can see what is wrong straight away! At the end of the day, if PT can't get us out of this **** division, no-one can! So we all need to give him the same support and patience that SM got because there is definately more chance of BCFC being promoted with PT at the helm than there ever was with SM there!!!

There is only you talking about SM! That's in the past. It's just the same old garbage coming out of Valley Parade. On Friday, 10 mins into the game about 6 of us all called exactly what Taylor would do (change to 442, OB up into midfield, etc, etc). I'm not against him, it's just people are very blinkered to the fact he has almost as much of a bad managerial record than a good one.

I was just making a comparison with SM, not really talking about him!
When you say about 6 of you called exactly what PT was going to do 10 mins into the game on Friday!
Well can you not count very well?
Was there maybe 4, 5, 7 or 8 of you? Or was it about 6 of you?
And out of that about 6 of you, all of you called exactly what PT was going to do, not what he might do, but exactly what he was going to do!
Go learn to count exactly how many of you there was and tell us some of the things you all called exactly that PT didn't end up doing, because there would of been more of them you doughnut!!!

It was about 6, and judging by your post, that's about the same as your mental age! Grow up!

blacksheep wrote:

city442 wrote: I know SM was a club legend when he was in charge @ BCFC and still is today! But have you noticed the massive difference in the way SM and PT are looked upon by people on here who are meant to be BCFC supporters, but are really just clueless idiots!!! Firstly, SM came to manage BCFC because Sheff.Utd did not offer him the managers post there, simple as that! He then arrived at BCFC far too late to have a positive impact on the season ahead due to him hanging on for the job he really wanted in the steel city. So SM arrived late with no track record or managerial experience at any level and was then given 2 years of total patience by supporters before people started getting on his back. PT has arrived as an ex-england boss with a brilliant track record at this level and introduced some much needed systems that other bosses have overlooked! Yet people are starting to get on his back already! Why? Give the man a chance! He knows what is required and what is going wrong and gives BCFC what it hasn't had for years, honest leadership! Past managers have come on the radio afterwards and had no answers and said they will have to watch the video on Monday! PT can see what is wrong straight away! At the end of the day, if PT can't get us out of this **** division, no-one can! So we all need to give him the same support and patience that SM got because there is definately more chance of BCFC being promoted with PT at the helm than there ever was with SM there!!!

There is only you talking about SM! That's in the past. It's just the same old garbage coming out of Valley Parade. On Friday, 10 mins into the game about 6 of us all called exactly what Taylor would do (change to 442, OB up into midfield, etc, etc). I'm not against him, it's just people are very blinkered to the fact he has almost as much of a bad managerial record than a good one.

So, you are your mates 'called it', what does this prove? The back-four picked itself really and Taylor was (is) determined to give Daley a fair crack. How can he then be slated for trying something different? He chose to take off Moult, put Evans up top, switch Daley to the right and push O'B further forward. What was wrong with that? O'B put in more crosses in the 2nd half than Daley did in the entire match, so I would argue that that particular tactic worked.
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If Taylor's record isn't worth shouting about, can you name any other manager at our level that has a better one? The fact is, we have replaced a tactically naive and inexperienced manager with the exact opposite.

Ok, lets check his record. Southend - quit before he was sacked, Brighton - Sacked, Leicester - Sacked, Palace - Sacked, Wycombe - Sacked, Stevenage, quit before being sacked after destroying a promising season. I'm behind him and the sad truth is he's the best we can hope for. It's just bull-sh1t to suggest he is this great manager who is going to take City back to the Championship, it won't happen. He'll quit before the season is out.

city442 wrote:
I know SM was a club legend when he was in charge @ BCFC and still is today! But have you noticed the massive difference in the way SM and PT are looked upon by people on here who are meant to be BCFC supporters, but are really just clueless idiots!!! Firstly, SM came to manage BCFC because Sheff.Utd did not offer him the managers post there, simple as that! He then arrived at BCFC far too late to have a positive impact on the season ahead due to him hanging on for the job he really wanted in the steel city. So SM arrived late with no track record or managerial experience at any level and was then given 2 years of total patience by supporters before people started getting on his back. PT has arrived as an ex-england boss with a brilliant track record at this level and introduced some much needed systems that other bosses have overlooked! Yet people are starting to get on his back already! Why? Give the man a chance! He knows what is required and what is going wrong and gives BCFC what it hasn't had for years, honest leadership! Past managers have come on the radio afterwards and had no answers and said they will have to watch the video on Monday! PT can see what is wrong straight away! At the end of the day, if PT can't get us out of this **** division, no-one can! So we all need to give him the same support and patience that SM got because there is definately more chance of BCFC being promoted with PT at the helm than there ever was with SM there!!!

here here!!!!!!!!!

this club was rotten and in taylor we have the best man for the job by a country mile. who the hell any better would take us on????

yes things need to change. a manager with years of experience and 5 promotions.

its a long season. rememeber the jewell promotion year. it started dire!!! things will change and theres no body better qualified than taylor to do it!!!!!!!!

blacksheep wrote:
Ok, lets check his record. Southend - quit before he was sacked, Brighton - Sacked, Leicester - Sacked, Palace - Sacked, Wycombe - Sacked, Stevenage, quit before being sacked after destroying a promising season. I'm behind him and the sad truth is he's the best we can hope for. It's just bull-sh1t to suggest he is this great manager who is going to take City back to the Championship, it won't happen. He'll quit before the season is out.

Same again blacksheep!
You stated earlier that you and shall we say other followers with you not being able to count how many of them there was, had called exactly what PT was going to do!
But you didn't say what you and your followers had called that PT didn't do!
You are now stating that PT has been sacked from or quit 6 different clubs. But you are not mentioning anything about the 5 promotions with 4 different clubs, an overall win record of 43% and only 3 defeats out of 24 games as England U-21 boss!
You are an absolute tool and i think the name Blacksheep suits, go to the gents toilets and buy yourself some mates because they are the only ones you'll have! It's obvious!

blacksheep wrote:
Ok, lets check his record. Southend - quit before he was sacked, Brighton - Sacked, Leicester - Sacked, Palace - Sacked, Wycombe - Sacked, Stevenage, quit before being sacked after destroying a promising season. I'm behind him and the sad truth is he's the best we can hope for. It's just bull-sh1t to suggest he is this great manager who is going to take City back to the Championship, it won't happen. He'll quit before the season is out.

If we are going to point out his "sackings", lets get them into perspective;
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Taylor became player manager at non-league club Dartford. In his four seasons there, club attendances rose from 400 to around 1000, he won the Southern Cup twice and each season he was there Dartford scored more than 100 goals. (I'D SAY THAT WAS A SUCCESS)
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Taylor's first managerial role in the Football League was at Southend United. He spent two years between 1993 and 1995 as manager, but quit at the end of the 1994–95 season after failing to get them beyond the middle of the Division One table. NOT A SUCCESS BUT HARDLY A FAILURE GETTING THEM ABOVE MID-TABLE IN L1 EITHER.
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Taylor took on the job as manager of Conference club Dover Athletic in 1995–96 season and guided the club to 20th, enough to stave off the threat of relegation as only two clubs were relegated that season. AS HE WAS COMBINING THAT ROLE WITH THE POSITION OF BEING SOUTHEND'S CoE MANAGER, IT WAS A GOOD ACHIEVEMENT.
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He agreed and signed a two-year contract at Dover in May 1996 but was to leave the club only two months later after being asked by then England boss Glenn Hoddle to manage the England under-21 side. His record was 15 played; 11 won, 3 drawn and 1 defeat. With 3 matches to play, Taylor was replaced in a controversial manner by Howard Wilkinson. HARDLY A POOR RECORD AS SUCH A HIGH LEVEL.
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Taylor returned to club management at the beginning of the 1999–2000 season with Gillingham, and at the end of the season guided them to victory over Wigan Athletic in the Division Two play-off final which marked the Kent club's promotion to the upper half of the English league for the first time in their history. A SUCCESS.
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A few weeks later he left the club to take charge at Leicester City in the Premier League. He had an excellent start at the East Midlands club and they went top of the league on 1 October 2000, sparking hopes that he could guide them to the first top division title of their history. They stayed at the top of the league for two weeks and were in contention for a UEFA Cup place for well over half a season, but nine defeats from their final 10 games sucked them down to 13th place. After a terrible start to the 2001-02, Taylor was sacked on 30 September 2001. THIS WAS TAYLOR'S FIRST POOR SHOWING.
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After being sacked by Leicester, he returned to management within two weeks to take charge at Brighton & Hove Albion whose previous manager Micky Adams had become the new assistant manager of Leicester City. Taylor guided Brighton to the Division Two championship (marking their return to the upper half of the English league after 11-years) but resigned from his job at the end of the season because he was frustrated at the club's lack of financial resources. ALTHOUGH HE RESIGNED AT THE END OF THE SEASON, HIS TIME AT BRIGHTON WAS STILL A SUCCESS.
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In November 2002 Taylor was appointed manager of Hull City who were weeks away from their move to the 25,404-seat KC Stadium. A mid-table finish was followed in 2003–04 by promotion as Division Three runners-up. They finished League One runners-up the following season, 2004–05, and thus reached the Football League Championship. DOUBLE PROMOTION MUST BE DEEMED A SUCCESS.
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Success at Hull drew attention from bigger clubs, and Taylor returned to former club Crystal Palace in June 2006. He only lasted 16 months at Selhurst Park as he was sacked in October 2007 after a run of poor form left the Eagles hovering dangerously above the bottom three. DEFINITELY TAYLOR'S WORST SPELL AS A MANAGER.
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Taylor returned to manage England's U-21 team for a second spell. Taylor's record in competitive fixtures in his second spell with the U21s was 16 played; 9 won, 5 drawn and 2 lost. HARDLY A FAILURE.
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A few weeks after his departure from Palace, Taylor was appointed manager of Conference team Stevenage Borough in November 2007. On 28 April 2008, Taylor left Stevenage Borough after 6 months in-charge when his short-term contract ran out and he had failed to get them into the end of season play-offs. THIS WAS A FAILURE BY TAYLOR'S HIGH STANDARDS.
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On 29 May 2008 he became Wycombe Wanderers manager, following the resignation of Paul Lambert after their failure to reach the League Two play-off final. Taylor had a successful start to the 2008–09 season as Wycombe went on an 18 game unbeaten run in the league with promotion to League 1 being secured on the final day of the season. However, he was dismissed on 9 October 2009 after Wycombe's slow start to the League 1 season. DESPITE BEING SACKED JUST 2 MONTHS INTO THE NEW SEASON, THIS SPELL IN CHARGE WAS A SUCCESSFUL TIME FOR WYCOMBE.
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Hardly the disastrous managerial career you have described. In fact, other than the teams in the top 2 leagues and his 6 month spell in charge of Stevenage, his other jobs have been successful!!

gspot wrote:
The only way to get rid of the fear would have been to sign some players with balls while the opportunity was there, its gone now so I will choose to get use to it or not go..

just logged on here to find i've posted the above when i haven't been on for a day or so.......somebody got my log on details somehow.

probably a leeds fan not having nowt better to do.

The problem with not being able to perform at home as a team has been inherrent in every side since our fall from the Premiership. I'd love to see our stats pre and post prem for home matches. The 'white elephant' stadium, the empty spaces, the ability for players to hear every moan and groan (7.5k some weeks in L1) and the fact as is borne out on here daily, our fans are in the main so full of theirselves they have little space for any football knowledge. Much rather say how poor something is and say it many times over rather than offer an opinion on how to remedy it.
The way to get the team playing well at home is to shut the doors, that way our poor babes don't get intimidated by the chance someone may something bad or god forgive, boo, and less likely for other teams to come and class it as their 'cup final' as we have told many an opposing fan over the years.
We are 4th division, we have spent many seasons in the 4th division in my near 40years of supporting, we all need a reality check, get behind the team, the manager and each other. Mr Taylor does have the credentials needed to get any team out of this division, including his 'purchases' and the existing squad, what he doesn't have is a magic wand.

4-3-3 What boring boring football!
Nevermind 6 shouting for 4-4-2 try 9999!
4-3-3 Didn't work at Shrewsbury didn't work against Stevenage (even though we won I came away thinking what a load of crap) didn't work against Torquay so why start another league game this way when 4-4-2 worked so well in the cup games?
Then when he did change it at half time we were on top and playing better only to put a lump of wood up front when their player got sent off.
All he did was get in the way or constantly be offside. Great tactics from a fantastic manager!

First it's the fans boo-ing that are to blame, then the poor players are too tired after playing for 2 hours when they've just had 3 months off, now the VP crowd is too scary.....deary me, what a load of old tosh !

Whatever PT's credentials are and whatever he has or has not done previously, so far this season, we have been bluddy awful.

Incidentally, does anyone still view Jacobs as our great coaching saviour???

Thought not !!!

kettlebantam wrote:
4-3-3 What boring boring football! Nevermind 6 shouting for 4-4-2 try 9999! 4-3-3 Didn't work at Shrewsbury didn't work against Stevenage (even though we won I came away thinking what a load of crap) didn't work against Torquay so why start another league game this way when 4-4-2 worked so well in the cup games? Then when he did change it at half time we were on top and playing better only to put a lump of wood up front when their player got sent off. All he did was get in the way or constantly be offside. Great tactics from a fantastic manager!

Firstly, I keep hearing this claim that we started Friday night in a 4-3-3 formation. I must have been watching a different game to everyone else, because I saw it as 4-4-2. In midfield we had Daley (LM), Bully & Doherty (CM) and Evans/Moult (alternating RM). Up front was Hanson with Evans/Moult alternating as his partner. Isn't that what happened?
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Taylor made changes at half-time and although we looked fairly comfortable on the ball, nobody was making any runs forward (other than O'B) and we looked lacklustre in the final 3rd. So, when they had a player sent off, Taylor tried putting Oliver up front to try to force the issue. What was wrong with that?
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He wasn't needed in defence as they had withdrawn their strikers and as we looked toothless, why not give it a go? He did knock a couple in for us last season and we were looking desperate for a way back in.

blacksheep wrote:
Ok, lets check his record. Southend - quit before he was sacked, Brighton - Sacked, Leicester - Sacked, Palace - Sacked, Wycombe - Sacked, Stevenage, quit before being sacked after destroying a promising season. I'm behind him and the sad truth is he's the best we can hope for. It's just bull-sh1t to suggest he is this great manager who is going to take City back to the Championship, it won't happen. He'll quit before the season is out.

Blacksheep, seriously get a life! If we are being meticulous and going through Taylor's record then lets do it properly instead of all the rubbish you are spouting on about! Southend - first management job and left while they were still in what would now be the championship, a level they have not been at since he was there! Brighton - resigned due to a promise of funds/new stadium not being honoured, he achieved promotion in one season then left following that - he had no job to go to but couldn't carry on working for a club with false promises, hardly a sacking is it! Stevenage - he only joined there as Palace wouldn't let him join another league club as it was a clause in his contract after being sacked from there, it was only ever a short term contract till the end of the season in which time the club had to sell a few players and finished one place out of the play offs I think or very close to it -he left on his own accord and I would hardly say he destroyed their season. How can you say all of those things and then say 'I'm behind him'!! I don't think he needs supporters like you!

blacksheep wrote:
Ok, lets check his record. Southend - quit before he was sacked, Brighton - Sacked, Leicester - Sacked, Palace - Sacked, Wycombe - Sacked, Stevenage, quit before being sacked after destroying a promising season. I'm behind him and the sad truth is he's the best we can hope for. It's just bull-sh1t to suggest he is this great manager who is going to take City back to the Championship, it won't happen. He'll quit before the season is out.

So blacksheep, only Dave Bassett has more promotions as a manager than PT (correct me if I'm wrong please Waynus71). That would suggest, that by your rational, only Dave Bassett should be the manager! If, therefore, you condider PT to not be up to the job then just who is? City442 agree with your sentiments entirely about giving PT time and patience to achieve what is the ambition of everybody connected with the club be they employee or supporter. CTID.

I can't get to most games, but please can Mark Lawn and Julian Rhodes (or anyone capable for that matter) provide a kick up the appropriate a*** to get something happening at Valley Parade. It beggars belief that with 11,000 people attending, plus a good couple of thousand more who would turn up if City were in the top three (of the 4th division!) and playing attractive football, the club can't put a decent team out. It's giving me a headache.

After reading posts from so-called "fans" of Bradford City I'm all for reaching for the razor blade and opening a vein. From a woman previously who declared that Jake Speight's girlfriend "deserved what she got" to Audal seemingly blaming our lack of form on players with a certain skin tone -how disgustingly offensive and ignorant.
I have a really radical idea- why don't we, as city fans, just support them!! Sadly, I doubt it'll catch on.

The problem for Bradford is that they have employed a 'journeyman' as manager. Taylor will do nothing for the team as clearly he is tactically naive for the modern game and also cannot motivate his players. Give him until November and then I think it will be time for 'thanks but no thanks'

I know what you mean City442, It's like the old saying the King is dead long live the new King. PT is right there is that much pressure for them to perform and it freezes them just like the famous Wembley nerves. People can help by not getting at players if they make one mistake, It's like have your boss hovering over your shoulder waiting for you to make a mistake. That is why you get players disappearing out of games they are too frightened to call for the ball or try something daring. Give them the support and you will see the results.

Waynus71 wrote:

kettlebantam wrote: 4-3-3 What boring boring football! Nevermind 6 shouting for 4-4-2 try 9999! 4-3-3 Didn't work at Shrewsbury didn't work against Stevenage (even though we won I came away thinking what a load of crap) didn't work against Torquay so why start another league game this way when 4-4-2 worked so well in the cup games? Then when he did change it at half time we were on top and playing better only to put a lump of wood up front when their player got sent off. All he did was get in the way or constantly be offside. Great tactics from a fantastic manager!

Firstly, I keep hearing this claim that we started Friday night in a 4-3-3 formation. I must have been watching a different game to everyone else, because I saw it as 4-4-2. In midfield we had Daley (LM), Bully & Doherty (CM) and Evans/Moult (alternating RM). Up front was Hanson with Evans/Moult alternating as his partner. Isn't that what happened? . Taylor made changes at half-time and although we looked fairly comfortable on the ball, nobody was making any runs forward (other than O'B) and we looked lacklustre in the final 3rd. So, when they had a player sent off, Taylor tried putting Oliver up front to try to force the issue. What was wrong with that? . He wasn't needed in defence as they had withdrawn their strikers and as we looked toothless, why not give it a go? He did knock a couple in for us last season and we were looking desperate for a way back in.

So it was 4-31/2- 21/2
My mistake!!!

Up with the partridge wrote:
The problem for Bradford is that they have employed a 'journeyman' as manager. Taylor will do nothing for the team as clearly he is tactically naive for the modern game and also cannot motivate his players. Give him until November and then I think it will be time for 'thanks but no thanks'

Stick with Victoria,you havn't got a clue.

Waynus71 wrote:

blacksheep wrote: Ok, lets check his record. Southend - quit before he was sacked, Brighton - Sacked, Leicester - Sacked, Palace - Sacked, Wycombe - Sacked, Stevenage, quit before being sacked after destroying a promising season. I'm behind him and the sad truth is he's the best we can hope for. It's just bull-sh1t to suggest he is this great manager who is going to take City back to the Championship, it won't happen. He'll quit before the season is out.

If we are going to point out his "sackings", lets get them into perspective; . Taylor became player manager at non-league club Dartford. In his four seasons there, club attendances rose from 400 to around 1000, he won the Southern Cup twice and each season he was there Dartford scored more than 100 goals. (I'D SAY THAT WAS A SUCCESS) . Taylor's first managerial role in the Football League was at Southend United. He spent two years between 1993 and 1995 as manager, but quit at the end of the 1994–95 season after failing to get them beyond the middle of the Division One table. NOT A SUCCESS BUT HARDLY A FAILURE GETTING THEM ABOVE MID-TABLE IN L1 EITHER. . Taylor took on the job as manager of Conference club Dover Athletic in 1995–96 season and guided the club to 20th, enough to stave off the threat of relegation as only two clubs were relegated that season. AS HE WAS COMBINING THAT ROLE WITH THE POSITION OF BEING SOUTHEND'S CoE MANAGER, IT WAS A GOOD ACHIEVEMENT. . He agreed and signed a two-year contract at Dover in May 1996 but was to leave the club only two months later after being asked by then England boss Glenn Hoddle to manage the England under-21 side. His record was 15 played; 11 won, 3 drawn and 1 defeat. With 3 matches to play, Taylor was replaced in a controversial manner by Howard Wilkinson. HARDLY A POOR RECORD AS SUCH A HIGH LEVEL. . Taylor returned to club management at the beginning of the 1999–2000 season with Gillingham, and at the end of the season guided them to victory over Wigan Athletic in the Division Two play-off final which marked the Kent club's promotion to the upper half of the English league for the first time in their history. A SUCCESS. . A few weeks later he left the club to take charge at Leicester City in the Premier League. He had an excellent start at the East Midlands club and they went top of the league on 1 October 2000, sparking hopes that he could guide them to the first top division title of their history. They stayed at the top of the league for two weeks and were in contention for a UEFA Cup place for well over half a season, but nine defeats from their final 10 games sucked them down to 13th place. After a terrible start to the 2001-02, Taylor was sacked on 30 September 2001. THIS WAS TAYLOR'S FIRST POOR SHOWING. . After being sacked by Leicester, he returned to management within two weeks to take charge at Brighton & Hove Albion whose previous manager Micky Adams had become the new assistant manager of Leicester City. Taylor guided Brighton to the Division Two championship (marking their return to the upper half of the English league after 11-years) but resigned from his job at the end of the season because he was frustrated at the club's lack of financial resources. ALTHOUGH HE RESIGNED AT THE END OF THE SEASON, HIS TIME AT BRIGHTON WAS STILL A SUCCESS. . In November 2002 Taylor was appointed manager of Hull City who were weeks away from their move to the 25,404-seat KC Stadium. A mid-table finish was followed in 2003–04 by promotion as Division Three runners-up. They finished League One runners-up the following season, 2004–05, and thus reached the Football League Championship. DOUBLE PROMOTION MUST BE DEEMED A SUCCESS. . Success at Hull drew attention from bigger clubs, and Taylor returned to former club Crystal Palace in June 2006. He only lasted 16 months at Selhurst Park as he was sacked in October 2007 after a run of poor form left the Eagles hovering dangerously above the bottom three. DEFINITELY TAYLOR'S WORST SPELL AS A MANAGER. . Taylor returned to manage England's U-21 team for a second spell. Taylor's record in competitive fixtures in his second spell with the U21s was 16 played; 9 won, 5 drawn and 2 lost. HARDLY A FAILURE. . A few weeks after his departure from Palace, Taylor was appointed manager of Conference team Stevenage Borough in November 2007. On 28 April 2008, Taylor left Stevenage Borough after 6 months in-charge when his short-term contract ran out and he had failed to get them into the end of season play-offs. THIS WAS A FAILURE BY TAYLOR'S HIGH STANDARDS. . On 29 May 2008 he became Wycombe Wanderers manager, following the resignation of Paul Lambert after their failure to reach the League Two play-off final. Taylor had a successful start to the 2008–09 season as Wycombe went on an 18 game unbeaten run in the league with promotion to League 1 being secured on the final day of the season. However, he was dismissed on 9 October 2009 after Wycombe's slow start to the League 1 season. DESPITE BEING SACKED JUST 2 MONTHS INTO THE NEW SEASON, THIS SPELL IN CHARGE WAS A SUCCESSFUL TIME FOR WYCOMBE. . Hardly the disastrous managerial career you have described. In fact, other than the teams in the top 2 leagues and his 6 month spell in charge of Stevenage, his other jobs have been successful!!

Good synopsis of Taylors managerial record !!! No need to be pressing the panic button,it's a long season.

kettlebantam wrote:

Waynus71 wrote:

kettlebantam wrote: 4-3-3 What boring boring football! Nevermind 6 shouting for 4-4-2 try 9999! 4-3-3 Didn't work at Shrewsbury didn't work against Stevenage (even though we won I came away thinking what a load of crap) didn't work against Torquay so why start another league game this way when 4-4-2 worked so well in the cup games? Then when he did change it at half time we were on top and playing better only to put a lump of wood up front when their player got sent off. All he did was get in the way or constantly be offside. Great tactics from a fantastic manager!

Firstly, I keep hearing this claim that we started Friday night in a 4-3-3 formation. I must have been watching a different game to everyone else, because I saw it as 4-4-2. In midfield we had Daley (LM), Bully & Doherty (CM) and Evans/Moult (alternating RM). Up front was Hanson with Evans/Moult alternating as his partner. Isn't that what happened? . Taylor made changes at half-time and although we looked fairly comfortable on the ball, nobody was making any runs forward (other than O'B) and we looked lacklustre in the final 3rd. So, when they had a player sent off, Taylor tried putting Oliver up front to try to force the issue. What was wrong with that? . He wasn't needed in defence as they had withdrawn their strikers and as we looked toothless, why not give it a go? He did knock a couple in for us last season and we were looking desperate for a way back in.

So it was 4-31/2- 21/2 My mistake!!!

No, it would still be 4-4-2. If Evans was on the right of midfield, Moult was up top with Hanson. When Moult went right, Evans moved into the middle.

eebygum wrote:
I know what you mean City442, It's like the old saying the King is dead long live the new King. PT is right there is that much pressure for them to perform and it freezes them just like the famous Wembley nerves. People can help by not getting at players if they make one mistake, It's like have your boss hovering over your shoulder waiting for you to make a mistake. That is why you get players disappearing out of games they are too frightened to call for the ball or try something daring. Give them the support and you will see the results.

Agreed. Just listen to moans when a player makes a mistake.

looking forward to some great away wins then :) Ta Ta Peter...

I blame the acoustics.
And the fact we haven't got a Joe Cook or Bobby Campbell, two players who could run through walls if they chose to, or a Gerry Ingram.
We have to play 4-4-2, the 4-3-3 when adopted allows teams to walk straight through us, also thick 4th division players then know their jobs. You two up top stay there and score, you four at the back, stop them scoring and you four across the middle, run about a bit and try stop their players from passing and running as much as you. Job done. If PT needs me to get that message through to 'em I'm more than willing.
Seriously, never has a crowd been needed to support more than we are now. The booing and jeering MUST stop, we are becoming the 12th man for the wrong team ( I use the royal we there). The lads in the Bradford End chant non-stop, the rest of the ground needs to follow suit, give it a go, you might just enjoy it. Cheer a 1-0 win as much as you would a 5-0 win, cheer and applaud a good pass, and if someone does make a mistake but are breaking their neck to try rectify it don't hammer them, support and hope they get it right next time.

Exactly Peking Duck, Beijing Why do think that City had a fantastic away record under Stuart? The home crowd got on the players backs that much that they were uncomfortable at home.
Come on City Fans get behind the taem give them the chance to prove themselves.

Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:
I blame the acoustics. And the fact we haven't got a Joe Cook or Bobby Campbell, two players who could run through walls if they chose to, or a Gerry Ingram. We have to play 4-4-2, the 4-3-3 when adopted allows teams to walk straight through us, also thick 4th division players then know their jobs. You two up top stay there and score, you four at the back, stop them scoring and you four across the middle, run about a bit and try stop their players from passing and running as much as you. Job done. If PT needs me to get that message through to 'em I'm more than willing. Seriously, never has a crowd been needed to support more than we are now. The booing and jeering MUST stop, we are becoming the 12th man for the wrong team ( I use the royal we there). The lads in the Bradford End chant non-stop, the rest of the ground needs to follow suit, give it a go, you might just enjoy it. Cheer a 1-0 win as much as you would a 5-0 win, cheer and applaud a good pass, and if someone does make a mistake but are breaking their neck to try rectify it don't hammer them, support and hope they get it right next time.

I understand what you are saying PCBA, but football (irrespective of the intelligence of players), is a little more complex than that. However, I do understand what you are saying and I agree we need to make it simpler.
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That said, I'm not convinced we can play 4-4-2 at present. In a formation like that, you usually have a couple of wingers/wide men. Who, at present, do we have that can genuinely fill those roles? This is where we have a problem. Daley hasn't excited fans since his return from injury and rarely gives the opposing full-backs cause for concern. I remember the start of the 2008/09 season and almost every full-back he played against was subbed. Now it is Daley getting subbed! On the opposite flank, we have nobody and are having to play players out of position just to fill the void. If we are going to go back to 4-4-2, we need to sign a couple of genuine wide players.
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In relation to your chanting comment, whilst I fully agree that all sides of the ground need to get behind the team, I don't think you paint a fair reflection of the TL Dallas stand.
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As a season ticket holder in there, I am consistently aggrieved at the chanting from this side. They beat their drums and sing, but it is always the same 3 or four chants. Furthermore, they are the FIRST to turn on the players for making a mistake and boo the players all the time. In fact, last Friday, I stood up (very brave of me.. or just stupid) and started my own chant towards them, "I'm fickle til I tie..."!
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I then got into an argument with a fan that was booing. He simply said "well we aren't playing well so what should I do applaud?" I responded with, "Yes, you ought to try getting behind the team instead of being the oppositon's 12th man"! He, and his party, left the ground minutes later, still booing.
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We all need to be that 12th man and encourage the players and not be so eager to boo. I doubt that will catch on though...sadly!