Brandon leaves Bantams (From Bradford Telegraph and Argus)

surely the board wouldnt let this happen if taylor was leaving in may weve needed someone to come in and get rid of dead wood for a while lets hope this is the start of something special cant believe fans with crystal balls are negative about boring 1 - 0 wins unbelievable after clueless football for the last 3 years to now watch a well drilled side that know what each others jobs are bring it on in taylor we trust ctid

so lets just say Brandon is on 2k a week. been a city for two years approx so netted around 192k in wages. So considering hes only made 18 starts thats over 10k per start.

I had such high hopes for Brandon but my respect totally went for him at the end of last season when players like Boulding were taking cuts who have no real affiliation with the club yet Chris just stayed silent and as argubly one of the highest if not highest earners in the club just sat back and did nothing. Which ironically is pretty much what we got on the pitch for 10k a start.

Good riddence I say.

another ASHLEY WARD springs to mind. good riddance. ctid

Tyker, Midland Road misunderstands the 'registration' situation with the released players. Thorne, Boulding and Brandon cannot re-sign for another FL club until the transfer window re-opens. They would be free to move on-loan, of course, but that is not the case now. They could train and possibly request permission to play in a reserve team, but are not free to play any first-team football except below BS National. This is why players/clubs/chairm
an's of FL teams should challenge the imposition of the 'transfer window' on our domestic leagues. It is a restraint of trade. Tyker, a person with your 'experience' should know this and taking a lead in giving sound information.

Next stop the Stans then.

Delighted to see the back of Brandon. He added little, if anything, to the team on the few occasions he played, often holding onto the ball for too long before making a pass he could have made moments earlier - thus enabling the opposition to get more men behind the ball.

He's not done himself any favours. Who's going to want him now? So Chris why did you leave your last role? Well I didn't think I got a fair crack of the whip so I screwed em for every penny I could ge...oh errrm, not supposed...I'll leave now eh...

next stop Avenue, if he`s good enough

good riddance to the greatest supporter of the club to play for it:he achieved his life time dream of playing for City but in effect screwed it for as much as he could and to the last penny even demanding to play in the knowledge that he was not performing but had to play to get another contract. What then Chris:another year of doing nowt. GOOD RIDDANCE TO BAD RUBBISH

keefluarr wrote:
He's not done himself any favours. Who's going to want him now? So Chris why did you leave your last role? Well I didn't think I got a fair crack of the whip so I screwed em for every penny I could ge...oh errrm, not supposed...I'll leave now eh...

You also forgot to mention "So Chris why did you leave the club you have supported all your life etc.

Maybe he got some of what Jacobs was getting (per your predictions) lol, and this might be why he called it a day?

Why are people having a go at Brandon regarding his contract? We gave him a 2yr deal, with a high basic salary and good incentives/bonuses. Okay, he may not have done enough to earn that coin, but why should he walk away and take a pay cut? Does he not have a family and home to support?

As many on here will vouch, I am not Brandon's biggest fan and feel his signing was probably McCall's worst, but stop knocking him for simply looking after himself and his own.

I still don't understand this 'not permitted to play for another league or Conference side this season' lark. If he has been paid up, his contract ends and he becomes a free agent. Under Football League rules, free agents CAN sign for another club outside of the transfer window. L33ds completed the signing of free agent 'Paul Dickov' in March as one example.

If it's more to do with City retaining his registration, why can he still play for teams below the Conference? And if it has got something to do with his registration, why didn't we offer to release them for free, allow them to find new deals and offer to pay any difference in salary between now and the end of the City contracts
(e.g City release Brandon on 1/3/10 on £2k p/wk. He then signs for Rotherham on £1200 p/wk, so we pay him £800 p/wk from 1/3/10 until 31/5/10 (or whenever his contract ended) as a lump sum? If he doesn't get a new deal elsewhere, we pay him the full amount.

Surely that is the more logical way to deal with these kind of issues?

Waynus71 wrote:
Why are people having a go at Brandon regarding his contract? We gave him a 2yr deal, with a high basic salary and good incentives/bonuses. Okay, he may not have done enough to earn that coin, but why should he walk away and take a pay cut? Does he not have a family and home to support? As many on here will vouch, I am not Brandon's biggest fan and feel his signing was probably McCall's worst, but stop knocking him for simply looking after himself and his own. I still don't understand this 'not permitted to play for another league or Conference side this season' lark. If he has been paid up, his contract ends and he becomes a free agent. Under Football League rules, free agents CAN sign for another club outside of the transfer window. L33ds completed the signing of free agent 'Paul Dickov' in March as one example. If it's more to do with City retaining his registration, why can he still play for teams below the Conference? And if it has got something to do with his registration, why didn't we offer to release them for free, allow them to find new deals and offer to pay any difference in salary between now and the end of the City contracts (e.g City release Brandon on 1/3/10 on £2k p/wk. He then signs for Rotherham on £1200 p/wk, so we pay him £800 p/wk from 1/3/10 until 31/5/10 (or whenever his contract ended) as a lump sum? If he doesn't get a new deal elsewhere, we pay him the full amount. Surely that is the more logical way to deal with these kind of issues?

Do you accept that Fatbloke and I were telling the truth about this now?

As some people have said, the club offered Brandon a contract. When they did that, they agreed to pay him £x per wk. If the club then decide that his performances on the pitch are below what they would expect and they decide they want him to leave, they should pay him what he is owed, under the contract they were happy to give him. That would happen in any other walk of life.

I accept that his performances have not been as good as everybody hoped but at the end of the day, we could all name a boat-load of players from our recent past who have not lived up to expectations. And we pay our money so we are allowed our opinion.

But to start slagging him off for expecting to be paid what his contract entitled him to, is bang out of order in my book.

Yes I am happy he has gone as it will give PT (assuming he stays) some much needed flexibility in his wage budget, but I don't see why people need to make such harsh comments about the guy for expecting to be paid what he was owed.

"Waynus71 wrote:
I still don't understand this 'not permitted to play for another league or Conference side this season' lark. If he has been paid up, his contract ends and he becomes a free agent. Under Football League rules, free agents CAN sign for another club outside of the transfer window. L33ds completed the signing of free agent 'Paul Dickov' in March as one example."

The FL rules state that you had to be a free agent BEFORE the end of the transfer window, not become one after it.

That's the reason we could sign Grant because he wasn't attached to any club before the window shut.

Although you're right, why couldn't they go out on loan ? maybe they were offered to other clubs who wouldn't pay the wages, who knows, who really cares...

done and dusted, time to move on

Sorry it didn't work out Chris. At least you had a go. It's not his fault he was given the wages he asked for is it. The whole of the club must have hoped for better from him. He did get injured and i think them Town b*****ds knew about the tendonitis. Thanks for trying once again and all the best for the future.

to you (so called) bctid fans; would you walk away from your jobs (if any of you have a job) with a pay cut just because your employer were in financial difficulty?? i doubt it very much!! & if you feel that strongly about it, more fool you for going to watch a game of football tennis & paying his wages. I dont know how anybody expects someone to perform with such a dysfunctional side. I just wonder who's your next target to slag off. BCTID ye right.

im a lady wrote:
to you (so called) bctid fans; would you walk away from your jobs (if any of you have a job) with a pay cut just because your employer were in financial difficulty?? i doubt it very much!! & if you feel that strongly about it, more fool you for going to watch a game of football tennis & paying his wages. I dont know how anybody expects someone to perform with such a dysfunctional side. I just wonder who's your next target to slag off. BCTID ye right.

i havent slagged off any of the players but i have been really disapointed in brandon. never really looked passionate to say its the club he supports but hey ho.
im really fed up of people on here telling people there not proper fans and all this rubbish. everyone on here is a fan and although i disagree with some of the comments on this message board it doesnt make them not real fans.

Disappointed? The whole of it is disappointing to say the least.

GT Horton Bantam wrote:
Sorry it didn't work out Chris. At least you had a go. It's not his fault he was given the wages he asked for is it. The whole of the club must have hoped for better from him. He did get injured and i think them Town b*****ds knew about the tendonitis. Thanks for trying once again and all the best for the future.

I am certain town knew about his injuries as they were when they tried to offload Beckett. If so the player must also have known: did he say anything? mmmmmmmmmm had he done so would he have got a contract.

all over now: he's gone and the Taylor regime has taken very little time to get rid of aged dead wood in the squad.

I am really looking forward to next season watching a team which knows how to play the game and knows how to get results by earning the right to play. It may not be pretty at times but who cares if we are winning and in the promotion hunt:that has to be significant progress.

ONLY "STUART McCALL" WAS A BIGGER WASTE OF MONEY!!!!

im a lady wrote:
Disappointed? The whole of it is disappointing to say the least.

What constitutes a real fan ? its true we are all entitled to an opinion but it would be nice if people thought about what theyre saying. Im sure Chris brandon didnt go out of his way to get injured or to put in sub standard performances, the problems start when fans think they know better how to pick the team , run the club , serve the pies blah blah blah , we are just a nation of whinge bags , how about just supporting the club? yeah we all spend alot of money and feel we have a voice , but ya know we have a choice to spend that money. Not every team can win all the time and do well all the time ,thats life in football, fans are fickle, alot of city fans never rated Paul Jewell!!! if Stuart Mccall had got us back to back promotions and we were unbeaten all season , all it would take would be a run of 5 straight defeats and the "fans" would want him out , i think what has happened here over the past ten to twenty years we should just be happy that we are running and able to attract a manager/coach of Peter taylors quality and hopefully turn our mis fortune around . Lets get behind whoever is picked and see this club climb up the league .

Hindsight is a wonderful attribute. Not one so-called supporter criticised the signing of Brando. In fact just the opposite, they welcomed him. Stuart McCall received a lot of ignorant and unjustified comment on here. We can all make mistakes. What we can say is that the vast majority of City 'fans' would make very poor managers and would waste everyones money.

bradfordladinaccring
ton wrote:
another ASHLEY WARD springs to mind. good riddance. ctid

I may be wrong here, but I believe if it was not for Ashley Ward waiving a large sum of money owed to him Bradford City may have been no more!

mafia wrote:

bradfordladinaccring ton wrote: another ASHLEY WARD springs to mind. good riddance. ctid

I may be wrong here, but I believe if it was not for Ashley Ward waiving a large sum of money owed to him Bradford City may have been no more!

That's too much of an inconvenient truth for a lot of people on here. Unless they can see things in black and white and make snap judgements they do not wamt too know.

mafia wrote:

bradfordladinaccring ton wrote: another ASHLEY WARD springs to mind. good riddance. ctid

I may be wrong here, but I believe if it was not for Ashley Ward waiving a large sum of money owed to him Bradford City may have been no more!

That's too much of an inconvenient truth for a lot of people on here. Unless they can see things in black and white and make snap judgements they do not wamt too know.

bradfordladinaccring
ton wrote:
another ASHLEY WARD springs to mind. good riddance. ctid

Whilst Ahley ward was also a disappointment on the pitch. He actually waived a huge amount of dosh when city were in trouble which deserves some credit

Peter300 wrote:
Hindsight is a wonderful attribute. Not one so-called supporter criticised the signing of Brando. In fact just the opposite, they welcomed him. Stuart McCall received a lot of ignorant and unjustified comment on here. We can all make mistakes. What we can say is that the vast majority of City 'fans' would make very poor managers and would waste everyones money.

Firstly mafiai didn't see the ashley ward response already written above mine but obviosly we are i agreement.

has for not criticising the transfer Peter300 you are mistaken. I know a number of city fans who never wanted Brandon's return. I too have like others e.g. waynus have fro pretty much day one questioned his performances and what he offers the team. I have cited on numerous occassions his less than impressive stats despite playing in the lower leagues and he is a luxury player we could not afford in more ways than one. He was i again agree with waynus one of McCall's first mistakes. he was coming at the wrong time of his careeer with a dubious recent history. All in all he will go down as a failure which as a city fan will be very disappointing personally for him.

As for the money i'm sorry but its easy to criticise what others do with their money. He had a contract and whilst others did the 'right' thing for the club perhaps he was doing what he saw as the right thing for his family

dannbradfc wrote:

bradfordladinaccring ton wrote: another ASHLEY WARD springs to mind. good riddance. ctid

Whilst Ahley ward was also a disappointment on the pitch. He actually waived a huge amount of dosh when city were in trouble which deserves some credit

i must have been watching a different team to you guys, Ashley Ward wasnt brought in to score a glut of goals , he was a target man , to my recollection he won most things in the air brought others into the game unfortunately for him he was for most of his time @ city was paired wi a lazy strike partner that only played when he could be bothered, by the time we got someone in that cottoned onto it and benefit from this it was too late . Ashley Waard was just yet another scapegoat for citys blinkered fans

Good luck Chris with your next club,i was thrilled when you signed but it never happened for you at BCFC.The long original injury layoff didn't do you any favours,hopefully you'll have better luck at your next club.CTID.

I am like the vast majority of City fans who when Thorne, Boulding and Brandon signed was looking forward to the season, but in life not everything goes to plan. Most fans would admit they were happy with the team this year, needs the odd player etc but mostly happy. Along comes a new manager and he has different ideas, you could argue that some of the players didn’t deliver what was expected. So we start all over again for the forth successive season we look like building a new team. The one main worry is Peter Taylor moves on at the end of his 15 weeks, and we then get a new man in with other ideas. Also we are getting rid of contracted players in favour of loan signings, does anyone on here think we could sign the lad from Liverpool, not a chance. On reading some of these posts many supporters are disrespectful in their opinions, most of those who have left gave 100%, and have come to some financially amicable arrangement with the club. Our friend from Richmond doesn’t have a great deal to contribute towards a sensible discussion and just rants his usual bile. McCall is a legend at this club and always will be.

spot on fella, said it all. Good to know not everyone is monged on here. Only thing you forgot to mention is that brandon has been utter kak for us.

BungleMagic wrote:
"Waynus71 wrote:
I still don't understand this 'not permitted to play for another league or Conference side this season' lark. If he has been paid up, his contract ends and he becomes a free agent. Under Football League rules, free agents CAN sign for another club outside of the transfer window. L33ds completed the signing of free agent 'Paul Dickov' in March as one example."

The FL rules state that you had to be a free agent BEFORE the end of the transfer window, not become one after it.

That's the reason we could sign Grant because he wasn't attached to any club before the window shut.

Although you're right, why couldn't they go out on loan ? maybe they were offered to other clubs who wouldn't pay the wages, who knows, who really cares...

done and dusted, time to move on

Thanks for that response and for clarifying matters. I suppose it makes sense that the player has to be out of contract during the last window, but that still doesn't explain how he can play in the lower leagues. Why are they any different? Do they not have to abide to employment rights?

Thanks again.

Think I answered this question (to another poster) yesterday, on another story. I'm not going to rake it up again and I believe 'fatbloke' has said similar.

msbooie wrote:

dannbradfc wrote:

bradfordladinaccring ton wrote: another ASHLEY WARD springs to mind. good riddance. ctid

Whilst Ahley ward was also a disappointment on the pitch. He actually waived a huge amount of dosh when city were in trouble which deserves some credit

i must have been watching a different team to you guys, Ashley Ward wasnt brought in to score a glut of goals , he was a target man , to my recollection he won most things in the air brought others into the game unfortunately for him he was for most of his time @ city was paired wi a lazy strike partner that only played when he could be bothered, by the time we got someone in that cottoned onto it and benefit from this it was too late . Ashley Waard was just yet another scapegoat for citys blinkered fans

i actually rate ashley ward and once watched him put on a quality display against us when playing for Barnsley. However his goal tally for Bradford was poor and that is primarily why he was bought thus he failed in that department. he did have great ball control and was indeed playing in a struggling side. He is not my scapegoat for that season but he didn't play to what we /i know he can. I was also praising his 'help' in our administration process

dannbradfc wrote:

Peter300 wrote:
Hindsight is a wonderful attribute. Not one so-called supporter criticised the signing of Brando. In fact just the opposite, they welcomed him. Stuart McCall received a lot of ignorant and unjustified comment on here. We can all make mistakes. What we can say is that the vast majority of City 'fans' would make very poor managers and would waste everyones money.

Firstly mafiai didn't see the ashley ward response already written above mine but obviosly we are i agreement.

has for not criticising the transfer Peter300 you are mistaken. I know a number of city fans who never wanted Brandon's return. I too have like others e.g. waynus have fro pretty much day one questioned his performances and what he offers the team. I have cited on numerous occassions his less than impressive stats despite playing in the lower leagues and he is a luxury player we could not afford in more ways than one. He was i again agree with waynus one of McCall's first mistakes. he was coming at the wrong time of his careeer with a dubious recent history. All in all he will go down as a failure which as a city fan will be very disappointing personally for him.

As for the money i'm sorry but its easy to criticise what others do with their money. He had a contract and whilst others did the 'right' thing for the club perhaps he was doing what he saw as the right thing for his family

Spot on Dann. I was against the signing of Brandon from day1. I questioned the fact he had never had a settled run in any side and the fact that Blackpool wouldn't turn his loan into a permanent deal. I know I wasn't the only one.

Even when we finally saw him in a City shirt, I can't say I have ever been convinced by him. For me, he is a poor man's 'Nix'. I would rather have Kyle any day!

However, as has already been said, he has gone and the rebuilding job at City goes on. The difference between the first 3 rebuilding jobs and the next is that we have a proven manager in charge and we DO have quality still here to build around.

We are getting to the stage in the season when clubs start thinking about their retained lists. To open up a friendly debate (as I am often accused of not contributing positively), who would you keep of our current squad?

Mine would contain;
McLaughlin
Bateson
Ramsden
Williams
L O'Brien
Rehman
Flynn
Daley
J O'Brien
Neilson
Evans
Hanson
Carson
Dean
Horne

Players to leave (unless still under contract);
Glennon
M Clarke
Bullock
Osbourne
Sharry
O'Leary
Convey

Would like to see us sign;
Oliver
Bolder
Threlfall
Grant (poss - would like to see more of him)

herewaynus it was a joke yu no.

I feel it gets to you just a tad that i am usually quite correct in a few of things i say. The fact that you have to point out typo's rather than your usual examples to proove a point supports the fact that i do tend to get alot right. I'm not infalable:) and never said otherwise. My qualifications are of a very high standard thank you very much and i repeat that the fact you have to resort to picking o typo's makes me a very happy bunny indeed. How do yu feal?? Dont bee chainging yor mined tho

soz that one was not supposed to end up there. It was a response to waynus pulling me up on my spelling as he can be wont to do when he can't find anything to criticise myself on

ps i am the greatest ;)

Waynus71 wrote:

dannbradfc wrote:

Peter300 wrote: Hindsight is a wonderful attribute. Not one so-called supporter criticised the signing of Brando. In fact just the opposite, they welcomed him. Stuart McCall received a lot of ignorant and unjustified comment on here. We can all make mistakes. What we can say is that the vast majority of City 'fans' would make very poor managers and would waste everyones money.

Firstly mafiai didn't see the ashley ward response already written above mine but obviosly we are i agreement. has for not criticising the transfer Peter300 you are mistaken. I know a number of city fans who never wanted Brandon's return. I too have like others e.g. waynus have fro pretty much day one questioned his performances and what he offers the team. I have cited on numerous occassions his less than impressive stats despite playing in the lower leagues and he is a luxury player we could not afford in more ways than one. He was i again agree with waynus one of McCall's first mistakes. he was coming at the wrong time of his careeer with a dubious recent history. All in all he will go down as a failure which as a city fan will be very disappointing personally for him. As for the money i'm sorry but its easy to criticise what others do with their money. He had a contract and whilst others did the 'right' thing for the club perhaps he was doing what he saw as the right thing for his family

Spot on Dann. I was against the signing of Brandon from day1. I questioned the fact he had never had a settled run in any side and the fact that Blackpool wouldn't turn his loan into a permanent deal. I know I wasn't the only one. Even when we finally saw him in a City shirt, I can't say I have ever been convinced by him. For me, he is a poor man's 'Nix'. I would rather have Kyle any day! However, as has already been said, he has gone and the rebuilding job at City goes on. The difference between the first 3 rebuilding jobs and the next is that we have a proven manager in charge and we DO have quality still here to build around. We are getting to the stage in the season when clubs start thinking about their retained lists. To open up a friendly debate (as I am often accused of not contributing positively), who would you keep of our current squad? Mine would contain; McLaughlin Bateson Ramsden Williams L O'Brien Rehman Flynn Daley J O'Brien Neilson Evans Hanson Carson Dean Horne Players to leave (unless still under contract); Glennon M Clarke Bullock Osbourne Sharry O'Leary Convey Would like to see us sign; Oliver Bolder Threlfall Grant (poss - would like to see more of him)

forgive my messing above but you have said from day one that Brandon was the wrong signing. i agree with some of your selection to go. Whilst bully as improved this season when he has played where we both feel he should and when he is disciplined in doing so he has had his chance and is not the sort ot player we need to progress. Clarke is probably about what wage he is on /after. if he's cheap Taylor may consider him.

Can't see McLaughlin staying if he isn't given a chance.

Flynn will be an interesting one given that Taylor is playing him out of position and the fact that he appears to lookin for pace alongside a big man. Thus where does he play FLyNN??

I have a bad feeling That Hanson may be sold. if he continues in his current form and hits 16 for the first season i can see him attracting interest. I have said from day one that he will eventually reach the championship given coreect coaching and definately league 1 whoever is the coach. Would we even turn down 100,000??
It will be interesting but will also show our ambitions for the future if we could turn offers down.

dannbradfc wrote:
soz that one was not supposed to end up there. It was a response to waynus pulling me up on my spelling as he can be wont to do when he can't find anything to criticise myself on

ps i am the greatest ;)

Not sure what you meant to say above, got confused after the first few words.

However, in response to the earlier post (as I said in reply), my 'pulling you up' was meant to be tongue-in-cheek, written in the same style as your post to me.

Sorry it wasn't clear, but I acknowledge you don't like the 'LOL' (gushing teen) etc, so deliberately left it off.

dannbradfc wrote:

Waynus71 wrote:

dannbradfc wrote:

Peter300 wrote: Hindsight is a wonderful attribute. Not one so-called supporter criticised the signing of Brando. In fact just the opposite, they welcomed him. Stuart McCall received a lot of ignorant and unjustified comment on here. We can all make mistakes. What we can say is that the vast majority of City 'fans' would make very poor managers and would waste everyones money.

Firstly mafiai didn't see the ashley ward response already written above mine but obviosly we are i agreement. has for not criticising the transfer Peter300 you are mistaken. I know a number of city fans who never wanted Brandon's return. I too have like others e.g. waynus have fro pretty much day one questioned his performances and what he offers the team. I have cited on numerous occassions his less than impressive stats despite playing in the lower leagues and he is a luxury player we could not afford in more ways than one. He was i again agree with waynus one of McCall's first mistakes. he was coming at the wrong time of his careeer with a dubious recent history. All in all he will go down as a failure which as a city fan will be very disappointing personally for him. As for the money i'm sorry but its easy to criticise what others do with their money. He had a contract and whilst others did the 'right' thing for the club perhaps he was doing what he saw as the right thing for his family

Spot on Dann. I was against the signing of Brandon from day1. I questioned the fact he had never had a settled run in any side and the fact that Blackpool wouldn't turn his loan into a permanent deal. I know I wasn't the only one. Even when we finally saw him in a City shirt, I can't say I have ever been convinced by him. For me, he is a poor man's 'Nix'. I would rather have Kyle any day! However, as has already been said, he has gone and the rebuilding job at City goes on. The difference between the first 3 rebuilding jobs and the next is that we have a proven manager in charge and we DO have quality still here to build around. We are getting to the stage in the season when clubs start thinking about their retained lists. To open up a friendly debate (as I am often accused of not contributing positively), who would you keep of our current squad? Mine would contain; McLaughlin Bateson Ramsden Williams L O'Brien Rehman Flynn Daley J O'Brien Neilson Evans Hanson Carson Dean Horne Players to leave (unless still under contract); Glennon M Clarke Bullock Osbourne Sharry O'Leary Convey Would like to see us sign; Oliver Bolder Threlfall Grant (poss - would like to see more of him)

forgive my messing above but you have said from day one that Brandon was the wrong signing. i agree with some of your selection to go. Whilst bully as improved this season when he has played where we both feel he should and when he is disciplined in doing so he has had his chance and is not the sort ot player we need to progress. Clarke is probably about what wage he is on /after. if he's cheap Taylor may consider him.

Can't see McLaughlin staying if he isn't given a chance.

Flynn will be an interesting one given that Taylor is playing him out of position and the fact that he appears to lookin for pace alongside a big man. Thus where does he play FLyNN??

I have a bad feeling That Hanson may be sold. if he continues in his current form and hits 16 for the first season i can see him attracting interest. I have said from day one that he will eventually reach the championship given coreect coaching and definately league 1 whoever is the coach. Would we even turn down 100,000??
It will be interesting but will also show our ambitions for the future if we could turn offers down.

Some fair points Dann, but surely we need to be building a squad, not just a first team. Flynn may not start every game next season, but he can still do a job for us in the middle of the park and who is to say that with a good pre-season behind him, he may be engine room next season and oust any pretenders.

As for Clarke, he may be on less wages than Rehman, Oliver and other players in this league, but can we afford to have two players on our books just becvause they are cheap. Personally, I think Williams is the cheaper option and he has more potential.

In terms of Hanson, I sincerely hope you are wrong. Even with £100k, could we buy a better replacement with more potential?

My bet with Hanson is that he will sign a 3 yr contract this summer, we will keep him for next season to see how we fare and to give him more experience. I then think he will be sold towards/the end of next season. That way we get a better transfer fee for him.
I can NEVER see threlfall coming here on a permanent, he may never make it at Anfield, but he will play at a better level than this.
Anyway as said above Brandon has gone, some people are happy, some people are disappointed, the fact is he has gone, we now have to look towards the future and the next target.

I see poor old Clarke has got the Waynus bullet,i've no idea why he isn't rated by some BCFC fans,he's got more bottle in his little finger than most defenders i've seen and although his distribution isn't the best he's a decent defender at this level.I like many more BCFC fans hope he's part of the team next season.

bcfc1903 wrote:
I see poor old Clarke has got the Waynus bullet,i've no idea why he isn't rated by some BCFC fans,he's got more bottle in his little finger than most defenders i've seen and although his distribution isn't the best he's a decent defender at this level.I like many more BCFC fans hope he's part of the team next season.

Are you for real? How many times this season has he allowed a ball to bounce over him? I remember one of the goals at County (opening game) and another instance since. He didn't get hauled off in that opening defeat because of Rehman, he got taken off because he was poor!

Yes, given time and no pressure, he will clear away headers all day, but put a bit of pressure on him and he goes to pieces.

I sit in the TL Dallas stand and sometimes you feel you are so close you can reach out and touch the players. I'm not sat in the upper tier of the Kop and so my view is very clear. There has been umpteen times when Clarke has been tackled when trying to shepherd the ball out of play.

He can tackle well and is good in the air, but he lacks any composure with the ball at his feet. And how many free-kicks does he give away just outside the area with his man-handling of opponents' players?

I was watching him defend a set-piece on Saturday. He was at the back post with their striker and the ball was coming across from their left. He was so busy watching the set-piece that he lost his man. I was always told that when in those situations, you watch the player, not the ball. If the striker moves, so do you. He can't score if you are tight to him. It is basic things like that, that a professional footballer should get right. Look at defending in the Premiership and you will see defenders jostling and watching the movement of the striker, not the ball.

Personally, I don't believe he is good enough if we are to challenge next season and I'm sure Taylor will know that more than anyone.

Waynus71 wrote:

dannbradfc wrote:

Waynus71 wrote:

dannbradfc wrote:

Peter300 wrote: Hindsight is a wonderful attribute. Not one so-called supporter criticised the signing of Brando. In fact just the opposite, they welcomed him. Stuart McCall received a lot of ignorant and unjustified comment on here. We can all make mistakes. What we can say is that the vast majority of City 'fans' would make very poor managers and would waste everyones money.

Firstly mafiai didn't see the ashley ward response already written above mine but obviosly we are i agreement. has for not criticising the transfer Peter300 you are mistaken. I know a number of city fans who never wanted Brandon's return. I too have like others e.g. waynus have fro pretty much day one questioned his performances and what he offers the team. I have cited on numerous occassions his less than impressive stats despite playing in the lower leagues and he is a luxury player we could not afford in more ways than one. He was i again agree with waynus one of McCall's first mistakes. he was coming at the wrong time of his careeer with a dubious recent history. All in all he will go down as a failure which as a city fan will be very disappointing personally for him. As for the money i'm sorry but its easy to criticise what others do with their money. He had a contract and whilst others did the 'right' thing for the club perhaps he was doing what he saw as the right thing for his family

Spot on Dann. I was against the signing of Brandon from day1. I questioned the fact he had never had a settled run in any side and the fact that Blackpool wouldn't turn his loan into a permanent deal. I know I wasn't the only one. Even when we finally saw him in a City shirt, I can't say I have ever been convinced by him. For me, he is a poor man's 'Nix'. I would rather have Kyle any day! However, as has already been said, he has gone and the rebuilding job at City goes on. The difference between the first 3 rebuilding jobs and the next is that we have a proven manager in charge and we DO have quality still here to build around. We are getting to the stage in the season when clubs start thinking about their retained lists. To open up a friendly debate (as I am often accused of not contributing positively), who would you keep of our current squad? Mine would contain; McLaughlin Bateson Ramsden Williams L O'Brien Rehman Flynn Daley J O'Brien Neilson Evans Hanson Carson Dean Horne Players to leave (unless still under contract); Glennon M Clarke Bullock Osbourne Sharry O'Leary Convey Would like to see us sign; Oliver Bolder Threlfall Grant (poss - would like to see more of him)

forgive my messing above but you have said from day one that Brandon was the wrong signing. i agree with some of your selection to go. Whilst bully as improved this season when he has played where we both feel he should and when he is disciplined in doing so he has had his chance and is not the sort ot player we need to progress. Clarke is probably about what wage he is on /after. if he's cheap Taylor may consider him. Can't see McLaughlin staying if he isn't given a chance. Flynn will be an interesting one given that Taylor is playing him out of position and the fact that he appears to lookin for pace alongside a big man. Thus where does he play FLyNN?? I have a bad feeling That Hanson may be sold. if he continues in his current form and hits 16 for the first season i can see him attracting interest. I have said from day one that he will eventually reach the championship given coreect coaching and definately league 1 whoever is the coach. Would we even turn down 100,000?? It will be interesting but will also show our ambitions for the future if we could turn offers down.

Some fair points Dann, but surely we need to be building a squad, not just a first team. Flynn may not start every game next season, but he can still do a job for us in the middle of the park and who is to say that with a good pre-season behind him, he may be engine room next season and oust any pretenders. As for Clarke, he may be on less wages than Rehman, Oliver and other players in this league, but can we afford to have two players on our books just becvause they are cheap. Personally, I think Williams is the cheaper option and he has more potential. In terms of Hanson, I sincerely hope you are wrong. Even with £100k, could we buy a better replacement with more potential?

Firstly in no way am i criticising Flynn who i feel is a very useful player in this division and when he plays well city play well. i also agree that we need a squad due to injuries and the amount of games at this level.

Thus your Clarke point is slightly contradictory bearing in mind your squad comments. Surely he would fit into squad criteria?
As for Hanson i really do believe is as the potential to reach greater heights, hopefully with us. the 100,000 grand was just a figure to consider whether we would be able to turn it down not my value of him as aplayer.
The way Taylor is shaping the team i believe should increase Hanson's goal tally next season given the games and freedom from injuries. I can see him hitting 20+ which would mean us been right in there but also definately bids coming in for him. Again this will show the strengths of the board and future potential of the club

dannbradfc wrote:

Waynus71 wrote:

dannbradfc wrote:

Waynus71 wrote:

dannbradfc wrote:

Peter300 wrote: Hindsight is a wonderful attribute. Not one so-called supporter criticised the signing of Brando. In fact just the opposite, they welcomed him. Stuart McCall received a lot of ignorant and unjustified comment on here. We can all make mistakes. What we can say is that the vast majority of City 'fans' would make very poor managers and would waste everyones money.

Firstly mafiai didn't see the ashley ward response already written above mine but obviosly we are i agreement. has for not criticising the transfer Peter300 you are mistaken. I know a number of city fans who never wanted Brandon's return. I too have like others e.g. waynus have fro pretty much day one questioned his performances and what he offers the team. I have cited on numerous occassions his less than impressive stats despite playing in the lower leagues and he is a luxury player we could not afford in more ways than one. He was i again agree with waynus one of McCall's first mistakes. he was coming at the wrong time of his careeer with a dubious recent history. All in all he will go down as a failure which as a city fan will be very disappointing personally for him. As for the money i'm sorry but its easy to criticise what others do with their money. He had a contract and whilst others did the 'right' thing for the club perhaps he was doing what he saw as the right thing for his family

Spot on Dann. I was against the signing of Brandon from day1. I questioned the fact he had never had a settled run in any side and the fact that Blackpool wouldn't turn his loan into a permanent deal. I know I wasn't the only one. Even when we finally saw him in a City shirt, I can't say I have ever been convinced by him. For me, he is a poor man's 'Nix'. I would rather have Kyle any day! However, as has already been said, he has gone and the rebuilding job at City goes on. The difference between the first 3 rebuilding jobs and the next is that we have a proven manager in charge and we DO have quality still here to build around. We are getting to the stage in the season when clubs start thinking about their retained lists. To open up a friendly debate (as I am often accused of not contributing positively), who would you keep of our current squad? Mine would contain; McLaughlin Bateson Ramsden Williams L O'Brien Rehman Flynn Daley J O'Brien Neilson Evans Hanson Carson Dean Horne Players to leave (unless still under contract); Glennon M Clarke Bullock Osbourne Sharry O'Leary Convey Would like to see us sign; Oliver Bolder Threlfall Grant (poss - would like to see more of him)

forgive my messing above but you have said from day one that Brandon was the wrong signing. i agree with some of your selection to go. Whilst bully as improved this season when he has played where we both feel he should and when he is disciplined in doing so he has had his chance and is not the sort ot player we need to progress. Clarke is probably about what wage he is on /after. if he's cheap Taylor may consider him. Can't see McLaughlin staying if he isn't given a chance. Flynn will be an interesting one given that Taylor is playing him out of position and the fact that he appears to lookin for pace alongside a big man. Thus where does he play FLyNN?? I have a bad feeling That Hanson may be sold. if he continues in his current form and hits 16 for the first season i can see him attracting interest. I have said from day one that he will eventually reach the championship given coreect coaching and definately league 1 whoever is the coach. Would we even turn down 100,000?? It will be interesting but will also show our ambitions for the future if we could turn offers down.

Some fair points Dann, but surely we need to be building a squad, not just a first team. Flynn may not start every game next season, but he can still do a job for us in the middle of the park and who is to say that with a good pre-season behind him, he may be engine room next season and oust any pretenders. As for Clarke, he may be on less wages than Rehman, Oliver and other players in this league, but can we afford to have two players on our books just becvause they are cheap. Personally, I think Williams is the cheaper option and he has more potential. In terms of Hanson, I sincerely hope you are wrong. Even with £100k, could we buy a better replacement with more potential?

Firstly in no way am i criticising Flynn who i feel is a very useful player in this division and when he plays well city play well. i also agree that we need a squad due to injuries and the amount of games at this level. Thus your Clarke point is slightly contradictory bearing in mind your squad comments. Surely he would fit into squad criteria? As for Hanson i really do believe is as the potential to reach greater heights, hopefully with us. the 100,000 grand was just a figure to consider whether we would be able to turn it down not my value of him as aplayer. The way Taylor is shaping the team i believe should increase Hanson's goal tally next season given the games and freedom from injuries. I can see him hitting 20+ which would mean us been right in there but also definately bids coming in for him. Again this will show the strengths of the board and future potential of the club

What is you obsession with the words 'contradictory' and 'waynus'?

Flynn is a competent player and will be there or thereabouts the first team, next season, if still a City player. I can't say the same for Clarke. How is that contradictory?

I appreciate it is a squad game, but with Rehman having to stay (contract) and Williams with potential to improve under Taylor, we need a couple of good players for those two to compete against for the 2 centre half positions. Clarke isn't good enough to fit that bill. That isn't 'contradictory' mate, otherwise we would never release any player!

Waynus71 wrote:

bcfc1903 wrote: I see poor old Clarke has got the Waynus bullet,i've no idea why he isn't rated by some BCFC fans,he's got more bottle in his little finger than most defenders i've seen and although his distribution isn't the best he's a decent defender at this level.I like many more BCFC fans hope he's part of the team next season.

Are you for real? How many times this season has he allowed a ball to bounce over him? I remember one of the goals at County (opening game) and another instance since. He didn't get hauled off in that opening defeat because of Rehman, he got taken off because he was poor! Yes, given time and no pressure, he will clear away headers all day, but put a bit of pressure on him and he goes to pieces. I sit in the TL Dallas stand and sometimes you feel you are so close you can reach out and touch the players. I'm not sat in the upper tier of the Kop and so my view is very clear. There has been umpteen times when Clarke has been tackled when trying to shepherd the ball out of play. He can tackle well and is good in the air, but he lacks any composure with the ball at his feet. And how many free-kicks does he give away just outside the area with his man-handling of opponents' players? I was watching him defend a set-piece on Saturday. He was at the back post with their striker and the ball was coming across from their left. He was so busy watching the set-piece that he lost his man. I was always told that when in those situations, you watch the player, not the ball. If the striker moves, so do you. He can't score if you are tight to him. It is basic things like that, that a professional footballer should get right. Look at defending in the Premiership and you will see defenders jostling and watching the movement of the striker, not the ball. Personally, I don't believe he is good enough if we are to challenge next season and I'm sure Taylor will know that more than anyone.

he is better than rehman

Waynus71 wrote:

dannbradfc wrote:

Waynus71 wrote:

dannbradfc wrote:

Waynus71 wrote:

dannbradfc wrote:

Peter300 wrote: Hindsight is a wonderful attribute. Not one so-called supporter criticised the signing of Brando. In fact just the opposite, they welcomed him. Stuart McCall received a lot of ignorant and unjustified comment on here. We can all make mistakes. What we can say is that the vast majority of City 'fans' would make very poor managers and would waste everyones money.

Firstly mafiai didn't see the ashley ward response already written above mine but obviosly we are i agreement. has for not criticising the transfer Peter300 you are mistaken. I know a number of city fans who never wanted Brandon's return. I too have like others e.g. waynus have fro pretty much day one questioned his performances and what he offers the team. I have cited on numerous occassions his less than impressive stats despite playing in the lower leagues and he is a luxury player we could not afford in more ways than one. He was i again agree with waynus one of McCall's first mistakes. he was coming at the wrong time of his careeer with a dubious recent history. All in all he will go down as a failure which as a city fan will be very disappointing personally for him. As for the money i'm sorry but its easy to criticise what others do with their money. He had a contract and whilst others did the 'right' thing for the club perhaps he was doing what he saw as the right thing for his family

Spot on Dann. I was against the signing of Brandon from day1. I questioned the fact he had never had a settled run in any side and the fact that Blackpool wouldn't turn his loan into a permanent deal. I know I wasn't the only one. Even when we finally saw him in a City shirt, I can't say I have ever been convinced by him. For me, he is a poor man's 'Nix'. I would rather have Kyle any day! However, as has already been said, he has gone and the rebuilding job at City goes on. The difference between the first 3 rebuilding jobs and the next is that we have a proven manager in charge and we DO have quality still here to build around. We are getting to the stage in the season when clubs start thinking about their retained lists. To open up a friendly debate (as I am often accused of not contributing positively), who would you keep of our current squad? Mine would contain; McLaughlin Bateson Ramsden Williams L O'Brien Rehman Flynn Daley J O'Brien Neilson Evans Hanson Carson Dean Horne Players to leave (unless still under contract); Glennon M Clarke Bullock Osbourne Sharry O'Leary Convey Would like to see us sign; Oliver Bolder Threlfall Grant (poss - would like to see more of him)

forgive my messing above but you have said from day one that Brandon was the wrong signing. i agree with some of your selection to go. Whilst bully as improved this season when he has played where we both feel he should and when he is disciplined in doing so he has had his chance and is not the sort ot player we need to progress. Clarke is probably about what wage he is on /after. if he's cheap Taylor may consider him. Can't see McLaughlin staying if he isn't given a chance. Flynn will be an interesting one given that Taylor is playing him out of position and the fact that he appears to lookin for pace alongside a big man. Thus where does he play FLyNN?? I have a bad feeling That Hanson may be sold. if he continues in his current form and hits 16 for the first season i can see him attracting interest. I have said from day one that he will eventually reach the championship given coreect coaching and definately league 1 whoever is the coach. Would we even turn down 100,000?? It will be interesting but will also show our ambitions for the future if we could turn offers down.

Some fair points Dann, but surely we need to be building a squad, not just a first team. Flynn may not start every game next season, but he can still do a job for us in the middle of the park and who is to say that with a good pre-season behind him, he may be engine room next season and oust any pretenders. As for Clarke, he may be on less wages than Rehman, Oliver and other players in this league, but can we afford to have two players on our books just becvause they are cheap. Personally, I think Williams is the cheaper option and he has more potential. In terms of Hanson, I sincerely hope you are wrong. Even with £100k, could we buy a better replacement with more potential?

Firstly in no way am i criticising Flynn who i feel is a very useful player in this division and when he plays well city play well. i also agree that we need a squad due to injuries and the amount of games at this level. Thus your Clarke point is slightly contradictory bearing in mind your squad comments. Surely he would fit into squad criteria? As for Hanson i really do believe is as the potential to reach greater heights, hopefully with us. the 100,000 grand was just a figure to consider whether we would be able to turn it down not my value of him as aplayer. The way Taylor is shaping the team i believe should increase Hanson's goal tally next season given the games and freedom from injuries. I can see him hitting 20+ which would mean us been right in there but also definately bids coming in for him. Again this will show the strengths of the board and future potential of the club

What is you obsession with the words 'contradictory' and 'waynus'? Flynn is a competent player and will be there or thereabouts the first team, next season, if still a City player. I can't say the same for Clarke. How is that contradictory? I appreciate it is a squad game, but with Rehman having to stay (contract) and Williams with potential to improve under Taylor, we need a couple of good players for those two to compete against for the 2 centre half positions. Clarke isn't good enough to fit that bill. That isn't 'contradictory' mate, otherwise we would never release any player!

in your own words in the post above you state that Clarke is probably on less money than other centre-halfs at the club. You also state that Flynn would make a good squad player (incidentally i doubt he would have dropped a division if the finances had followed suit in a dramatic fashion). Surely the nature of squad players is that they are prepared to fight for a place but obviously do not demand the wages of players bought as first choicers thus Clarke fits the bill and your criteria yet you want rid of him. What is that? Slightly contradictory were my choice of words i believe?

You suggest that Clarke would be surplus even as a squad player yet Taylor is playing him at the mo. What you are suggesting as competition i don't believe that our budget would run that far tus Clarke (especially in current form) fits the bill. You know i don't overly rate Clarke but i can see how he can be a suitable squad man and also believe that Taylor may see it the same way.