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6:10pm Sunday 7th February 2010
Julian Rhodes was at a wedding and missed Saturday’s game.
But tomorrow morning he will be back at Valley Parade to witness the end of a match he hoped would be made in heaven.
Stuart McCall and City seemed the perfect marriage when Rhodes unveiled his man in May 2007.
With City facing their first season in the bottom tier for a quarter of a century, fortunes were at their lowest ebb.
Step forward a club legend to take the helm; a man with claret and amber in his veins.
The fairy tale would have seen McCall lead City out of the wilderness and back up the divisions. He would have been manager ad infinitum.
Reality, in the gnarled old world of League Two, doesn’t work like that.
McCall discovered that within nine minutes of his first kick-off as Macclesfield gatecrashed the opening-day celebration. Opposing teams did not cower in the Valley Parade limelight – most seemed to bask in it.
So 132 games later it ended with Andy Morrell, a real warrior at this level, breaking City’s resistance in front of the Bradford End.
There was a symmetry about McCall’s final league record. From 119 games, he had won 43 and lost the same. Hardly the stuff of legend.
Yet nobody put in more work or more hours for “their” club than McCall.
He would watch and rewatch match DVDs long into the early hours; sometimes breaking up family get-togethers or nights out to rush back and study them one more time.
Yes, he was very well paid by bottom division standards, even allowing for the pay cut he voluntarily took during last summer’s belt- tightening exercise.
But City certainly got their pound of flesh from a guy who was so desperate to reward the fans for their support. It was more than a job; it was his club and his people – and he felt personally responsible.
McCall would read every letter that landed on his desk and reply to them personally. The only time he got others to help out was because of the sheer weight of mail that arrived in the wake of last season’s U-turn to stay on. That was a decision prompted by the overwhelming public response. His public.
The quit threat at Bournemouth was no empty gesture to attract sympathy and easy headlines. It came from the heart – like everything he did.
McCall was always acutely aware of public opinion. He could relate to all levels of the club from the boardroom to the young lads in the school of excellence.
Unlike several predecessors, he would take a keen interest in every age group and knew many of the players by name. Nothing was beneath him.
But it has been no smooth ride. His relationship with Mark Lawn has become strained to the point where they have barely communicated in months.
Suggestions from above that he should bring in the know-how of an older head in his coaching staff have been rebuffed.
McCall is very much his own man and will leave Valley Parade on his own terms. But he remains a man of the Bradford people and that will never change.
Who else would text the BBC’s Football League show late on a Saturday night to personally thank the fans?
McCall will always care what people think. And that’s why people will always care deeply for McCall.
cityd, bd6 says...
6:32pm Sun 7 Feb 10
dannbradfc wrote:best post i have read on hear ever, well said,,,pmsl
due to the recent vacancies at Bradford city here are by their own reckoning how the posts should be filled thus far: Waynus Manager Brownsauceman Assistant Manager the two shaun's Kit-Men (Shaun thesheep on sock duty/, shaun from richmond ironing) Lawnforever Club psychologist and now also promoted to financial manager 2storey public relations manager Lawnforever stated that due to our stable financial position more posts will become available shortly. 2Storey stated that Lawnforever's dual roles as club psychologist/financi al manager would not compromise each other and would be "F**cking ace for the club init". Waynus was thus far not available for comment but rumours abound that he he is 'over the moon' about the acquisition of his new role and that it was "something that he has dreamed about for a very long time" More updates shortly ;)
vglimmer, Bradford says...
6:32pm Sun 7 Feb 10
dannbradfc, Wyke says...
6:36pm Sun 7 Feb 10
2storey, Leeds says...
6:42pm Sun 7 Feb 10
dannbradfc, Wyke says...
7:08pm Sun 7 Feb 10
2storey wrote:news:
know he wont be forgotton as he is like a rat leaving a sinking ship,and taking anything he can on the way (Ie golden handshake)
mahb70, bradford 10 says...
7:10pm Sun 7 Feb 10
2storey wrote:You are bang out of order,it would appear SM has decided to leave so he probably won't be taking much in the way of a pay-off.To describe him as a rat is beyond belief.Nobody will give more as a BC manager and regardless of his shortcomings as a manager he always had OUR best interests at heart.
know he wont be forgotton as he is like a rat leaving a sinking ship,and taking anything he can on the way (Ie golden handshake)
2storey, Leeds says...
7:15pm Sun 7 Feb 10
mahb70 wrote:he shouldnt be taking anything he knows we have no money, and he is leaving, if you and i resigned do you think our bosses would give us a nice wad (NO)
2storey wrote: know he wont be forgotton as he is like a rat leaving a sinking ship,and taking anything he can on the way (Ie golden handshake)You are bang out of order,it would appear SM has decided to leave so he probably won't be taking much in the way of a pay-off.To describe him as a rat is beyond belief.Nobody will give more as a BC manager and regardless of his shortcomings as a manager he always had OUR best interests at heart.
cityd, bd6 says...
7:26pm Sun 7 Feb 10
Bredon Bantam, Wrose says...
7:33pm Sun 7 Feb 10
The General 82-86, gildersome says...
7:53pm Sun 7 Feb 10
cityd, bd6 says...
8:00pm Sun 7 Feb 10
lonniejockstrap, Bradford says...
8:03pm Sun 7 Feb 10
2storey, Leeds says...
8:05pm Sun 7 Feb 10
dannbradfc wrote:yes wish simon grayson was our manager, proven at elland rd, old players dont make good managers
2storey wrote: know he wont be forgotton as he is like a rat leaving a sinking ship,and taking anything he can on the way (Ie golden handshake)news: rumours persist that bcfc's p/r manager may actually be a L**ds supporter. Indeed whilst sorting out his yellow,blue and white socks Shaunthesheep believes he could smell faeces. Although this rumour has yet to be confirmed
thecitygent, Shipley says...
8:32pm Sun 7 Feb 10
2storey wrote:So are you and 'lawnforever' the alter egos of 'Mr' Lawn himself? Is it really the case that 'Mr' Lawn has resorted to the T&A message boards to make his feelings known as opposed to the more conventional approach through a formal interview in the T&A. What has it come to? When will we read the 'official' thoughts of the one and only Mark Lawn?
dannbradfc wrote:yes wish simon grayson was our manager, proven at elland rd, old players dont make good managers2storey wrote: know he wont be forgotton as he is like a rat leaving a sinking ship,and taking anything he can on the way (Ie golden handshake)news: rumours persist that bcfc's p/r manager may actually be a L**ds supporter. Indeed whilst sorting out his yellow,blue and white socks Shaunthesheep believes he could smell faeces. Although this rumour has yet to be confirmed
gspot, halifax says...
8:33pm Sun 7 Feb 10
2storey wrote:100% **** end
know he wont be forgotton as he is like a rat leaving a sinking ship,and taking anything he can on the way (Ie golden handshake)
East_Bowling_Bantam, East Bowling, Bradford says...
8:36pm Sun 7 Feb 10
dannbradfc, Wyke says...
8:38pm Sun 7 Feb 10
2storey wrote:Newsflash:
dannbradfc wrote:yes wish simon grayson was our manager, proven at elland rd, old players dont make good managers2storey wrote: know he wont be forgotton as he is like a rat leaving a sinking ship,and taking anything he can on the way (Ie golden handshake)news: rumours persist that bcfc's p/r manager may actually be a L**ds supporter. Indeed whilst sorting out his yellow,blue and white socks Shaunthesheep believes he could smell faeces. Although this rumour has yet to be confirmed
swbantam, paignton says...
9:18pm Sun 7 Feb 10
fatbloke, eccleshill says...
9:58pm Sun 7 Feb 10
BillyxBantams, Bradford says...
11:36pm Sun 7 Feb 10
the city realist, bowness on windermere says...
12:07am Mon 8 Feb 10
dannbradfc, Wyke says...
12:34am Mon 8 Feb 10
fatbloke wrote:i actually mentioned this point months ago and no-one on here really picked up on it (two gold stars for me). Messing aside it would appear from the article above that what i suggested was true afterall. This potentialy could spell disater for the club.
All this is doing my head in. I think the best thing is a for a triple statement to come out from McCall, Rhodes and Lawn. It is only my opinon but I really think there is something not right with the relationship between our charimen. I predict far far worse things to happen moving forward. Hope I am wrong.
dannbradfc, Wyke says...
12:39am Mon 8 Feb 10
BillyxBantams wrote:Most of those comments are been made by non-city fans, imposters and supporters of other teams. Some just for a wind-up. Trust me they have hardly or some cases never been on this site before. Don't take anything at the mo as representing city fans 'cos in the main they are not. You can tell them 'cos they have nothing to back up what they say, can't comment on games because they don't go etc. They'll go away eventually trust me
Some of the comments on this website are so absurd and ridiculous it makes me embarassed to be a City fan! To suggest he is leaving a sinking ship, bankrupting the club, etc is nothing short of a disgrace and any fan which suggests this should hang their head in shame, and never visit Valley Parade again! If I was SMc i would take every penny i could get out of BCFC, the club and a section of its fans have treated him with such a complete lack of respect, and convinced him that it is time to leave. I'm sure when the new manager comes in (with no money) and we still struggle these muppets will continue to blame McCall. Can i get a refund on my season ticket for next year? I dont want to be associated with a club who treats its manager like this, nor with fans who are so fickle and dense.
spionkop64, Little Germany says...
6:42am Mon 8 Feb 10
spleen ventor, Bradford says...
8:21am Mon 8 Feb 10
BillyxBantams wrote:Good riddance...you BillyxBantam (not Stuart), your obviously not a true fan or you'd be supporting the club whoever is in charge, wanting a refund on your season ticket?...I ask you.... No one person, not even Stuart McCall is bigger than the club.
Some of the comments on this website are so absurd and ridiculous it makes me embarassed to be a City fan! To suggest he is leaving a sinking ship, bankrupting the club, etc is nothing short of a disgrace and any fan which suggests this should hang their head in shame, and never visit Valley Parade again! If I was SMc i would take every penny i could get out of BCFC, the club and a section of its fans have treated him with such a complete lack of respect, and convinced him that it is time to leave. I'm sure when the new manager comes in (with no money) and we still struggle these muppets will continue to blame McCall. Can i get a refund on my season ticket for next year? I dont want to be associated with a club who treats its manager like this, nor with fans who are so fickle and dense.
macca1969, settle says...
9:07am Mon 8 Feb 10
spionkop64 wrote:Here here well said its a shame it didn't work out but some dreams never do bt we keep dreaming. Onwards and upwards ctid
Farewell Stuart. To leave in such a dignified manner speaks volunmes of your love for this club. We maybe stuck in the bottom division of English football, but on Saturday there was none of the usual cat calls and abuse. You applauded us and we returned it with the affection you deserve. You did your best, we did our best for you, sadly it wasn't enough. As an individual, and we as fans, can stand proud this morning. We threw our hearts and souls into the endeavour, it didn't work out and we parted the best of friends and with our love and respect intact. Farewell Stuart, you will always be welcome at Valley Parade.
nowt fresh, Bradford says...
10:20am Mon 8 Feb 10
2storey wrote:Your so FULL OF YOURSELF 2 storey "I know everything" if you are so sure of what your saying PLEASE LOG ON WITH YOUR REAL NAME, are you Mark Lawn, Dave Baldwin, you must be well informed or do you just THINK you are.
know he wont be forgotton as he is like a rat leaving a sinking ship,and taking anything he can on the way (Ie golden handshake)
skyblogger, bradford says...
10:24am Mon 8 Feb 10
nowt fresh wrote:my money is on mark but it could be lawns side kick. Either one or the other as both are twiddling their thumbs right now as Stuart finalises things with Julian.
2storey wrote:Your so FULL OF YOURSELF 2 storey "I know everything" if you are so sure of what your saying PLEASE LOG ON WITH YOUR REAL NAME, are you Mark Lawn, Dave Baldwin, you must be well informed or do you just THINK you are.
know he wont be forgotton as he is like a rat leaving a sinking ship,and taking anything he can on the way (Ie golden handshake)
nowt fresh, Bradford says...
10:32am Mon 8 Feb 10
BillyxBantams wrote:Absurd and ridiculous comments so of yours are pretty outrageous"If I was SMc i would take every penny i could get out of BCFC", "Can i get a refund on my season ticket for next year? I dont want to be associated with a club who treats its manager like this, nor with fans who are so fickle and dense"so your not FICKLE wanting a refund on your season ticket, pot and kettle come to mind.
Some of the comments on this website are so absurd and ridiculous it makes me embarassed to be a City fan! To suggest he is leaving a sinking ship, bankrupting the club, etc is nothing short of a disgrace and any fan which suggests this should hang their head in shame, and never visit Valley Parade again! If I was SMc i would take every penny i could get out of BCFC, the club and a section of its fans have treated him with such a complete lack of respect, and convinced him that it is time to leave. I'm sure when the new manager comes in (with no money) and we still struggle these muppets will continue to blame McCall. Can i get a refund on my season ticket for next year? I dont want to be associated with a club who treats its manager like this, nor with fans who are so fickle and dense.
Waynus71, BD6 says...
9:24pm Mon 8 Feb 10
dannbradfc wrote:Sorry mate, but I declined their offer. I feel I have loads to offer, but as some of the more 'knowledgeable' erm.. have pointed out, Lawn is a control freak and I couldn't work under those conditions.
due to the recent vacancies at Bradford city here are by their own reckoning how the posts should be filled thus far: Waynus Manager Brownsauceman Assistant Manager the two shaun's Kit-Men (Shaun thesheep on sock duty/, shaun from richmond ironing) Lawnforever Club psychologist and now also promoted to financial manager 2storey public relations manager Lawnforever stated that due to our stable financial position more posts will become available shortly. 2Storey stated that Lawnforever's dual roles as club psychologist/financi al manager would not compromise each other and would be "F*****g ace for the club init". Waynus was thus far not available for comment but rumours abound that he he is 'over the moon' about the acquisition of his new role and that it was "something that he has dreamed about for a very long time" More updates shortly ;)
sorry put more stars in 'cos it got kicked off the other healine, naughty me
Waynus71, BD6 says...
9:36pm Mon 8 Feb 10
dannbradfc, Wyke says...
10:14pm Mon 8 Feb 10
Waynus71 wrote:Why would he want to come back to hear the stuff you have chucked in his direction? Or have you decided this week that he is a good manager after-all. You have got what you have wanted for the past two seasons. You should be out partying. Don't attempt to come all caring and sympathetic after you have abused the man, YES ABUSED, THE MANAGER OF OUR FOOTBALL CLUB and constantly criticised his tenure at city. Party on until your next victim
Stuart McCall is NOT a legend. You may ask why I say that, as he is someone I admire greatly. The word legend means, "a person whose fame or notoriety makes him a source of exaggerated or romanticized tales or exploits". Personally, I don't think his tales need any exaggeration! Stuart McCall is a honest, hard-working bloke with the utmost integrity. I may have knocked his ability as a manager/coach (which by resigning, he is now admitting), but I have never knocked Stuart McCall the man. I will always respect the fact that he put his all into the job, worked as hard as he could and when he realised he couldn't deliver, he was man enough to stand down. What most people will remember him for is his ability as a footballer, notably at City. we will all remember how happy he was when we won promotion to the Premiership, the infamous falling off the car roof etc. However, the real supporters will remember him for something much more important than that. That is, the way he has handled himself over the tragic events of 1985. He never stopped caring about those that perished or the ones they left behind. It will always stay with him and as such, we will always have a special bond. I would like to think that McCall will go away, continue to learn more coaching methods and manage reserve sides/youth teams/non-league teams and one day, return to complete unfinished business.
Waynus71, BD6 says...
10:36pm Mon 8 Feb 10
dannbradfc wrote:Don't be so naive Dann. We have ALL picked faults in McCall over his tenure. You were constantly pointing out his faiklings, such as Lee being too slow and going to ground, O'Brien being poorer than the hype, Bully not being played in his best position etc etc.
Waynus71 wrote:Why would he want to come back to hear the stuff you have chucked in his direction? Or have you decided this week that he is a good manager after-all. You have got what you have wanted for the past two seasons. You should be out partying. Don't attempt to come all caring and sympathetic after you have abused the man, YES ABUSED, THE MANAGER OF OUR FOOTBALL CLUB and constantly criticised his tenure at city. Party on until your next victim
Stuart McCall is NOT a legend. You may ask why I say that, as he is someone I admire greatly. The word legend means, "a person whose fame or notoriety makes him a source of exaggerated or romanticized tales or exploits". Personally, I don't think his tales need any exaggeration! Stuart McCall is a honest, hard-working bloke with the utmost integrity. I may have knocked his ability as a manager/coach (which by resigning, he is now admitting), but I have never knocked Stuart McCall the man. I will always respect the fact that he put his all into the job, worked as hard as he could and when he realised he couldn't deliver, he was man enough to stand down. What most people will remember him for is his ability as a footballer, notably at City. we will all remember how happy he was when we won promotion to the Premiership, the infamous falling off the car roof etc. However, the real supporters will remember him for something much more important than that. That is, the way he has handled himself over the tragic events of 1985. He never stopped caring about those that perished or the ones they left behind. It will always stay with him and as such, we will always have a special bond. I would like to think that McCall will go away, continue to learn more coaching methods and manage reserve sides/youth teams/non-league teams and one day, return to complete unfinished business.
dannbradfc, Wyke says...
1:09pm Tue 9 Feb 10
Waynus71, BD6 says...
3:47pm Tue 9 Feb 10
dannbradfc, Wyke says...
12:18am Thu 11 Feb 10
Waynus71 wrote:You are NOT answering a question which you yourself instigated. Instead you attempt to use 'quotes' from other peoples posts to create support for your own argument. In doing so you often forget the original point. How is pointing out areas of omprovement needed or the faults of players an attack on their manager. Its not is it. there is no debate there apart from if the player is playing out of position or other such circumstances.
You say you are not attacking McCall but then claim that Bully was operating where HE believed he should play, NOT where McCall believed he should be playing. Are you saying that is good man-management to allow a member of your squad to do as he pleases? As for Lee, I can't recall McCall ever saying that he wishes Lee would not go to ground so easily. In fact, when watching goals on Saturday nights, I rarely see County concede because of Lee going to ground. You say criticism of individual players is not attacking McCall. I say attacking McCall's managerial credentials is not attacking McCall either. Some people cannot manage and unfortunately McCall was one of them. I still believe Boulding to be our most natural goalscorer. Do we have a 'best player'?
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Boing-Boing, woodside says...
6:24pm Sun 7 Feb 10