Search on for a short-term replacement as McCall splits from his beloved Bantams (From Bradford Telegraph and Argus)
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Search on for a short-term replacement as McCall splits from his beloved Bantams
7:10am Monday 8th February 2010 in
City will not rush to replace Stuart McCall.
The Bantams boss will officially walk away from Valley Parade today, when McCall meets joint-chairman Julian Rhodes to finalise a compensation pay-off on the 17 months left on his contract.
The T&A understands that City plan to bring in a short-term manager who will take charge for the rest of the season.
Names such as Peter Jackson and former Brighton boss Russell Slade have already cropped up.
But the club will take their time over a full-time appointment – and could well wait until the summer.
With City unlikely to go up or down, the board can consider their options over the next couple of months without being pressed into a quick decision.
McCall’s immediate replacement would obviously be in the running should City finish the season well but they expect plenty of applicants and are prepared to go through a full interview process however long that may take.
McCall decided to call it quits after Saturday’s 1-0 loss to Bury at Valley Parade.
It was his 133rd game in charge in a reign that began in May 2007, making him the 20th longest-serving current boss. He said: “I don’t regret coming back for a second. I’d have regretted it more if I hadn’t taken the job.
“It’s been fantastic in one way but ultra-hard in another because you’re carrying the hopes of everyone. You should see some of the letters I’ve had.
“Without being big-headed, I’m fortunate that I’ve never failed before in my career.
“I’ve always been successful as a player and when I went to Sheffield United as reserve manager we won the league first year. Then everything snowballed and the club got promoted to the Premier-ship when I was assistant to Neil Warnock.
“But the place where I really wanted to do well was here and it hasn’t happened for me.
“The pressure I’ve put on myself because I want to succeed here has been immense at times. I loved being manager of this club but it’s a results-based business and the results have not been good enough.
“I still believed that all things being equal this season we could have got in the play-offs.
"We’ve needed that bit of Lady Luck with injuries and certain games and just not had it. But it’s not about me, it’s the club that matters. Hopefully now with the squad back fit they can rally round and pick up some wins.”
The board are reluctant to say too much until McCall’s farewell is finalised. Joint-chairman Mark Lawn said: “Obviously I’ve only heard this through the grapevine. Stuart hasn’t spoken to me.
“The club can’t make any comment until we’ve sat down and discussed the situation with him.”
Comments(63)
tyker
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8:28am Mon 8 Feb 10
Lancashire Branch
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8:32am Mon 8 Feb 10
bremmers the bantam
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8:47am Mon 8 Feb 10
skyblogger
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9:31am Mon 8 Feb 10
Lawn wants to be more involved in team affairs, aka zesh and topp, asian support??? haha pakistani captain - lots of income?? where is it? new asian ambassador at VP.. Dont make me laugh. I guess this will all be stuarts fault to if you listen to a drunken lawn.
The people close to Lawn are also friends with mccall. Yet he constantly belittled him every time he had a drink. Not onlt to mccalls friends, his players and ordinary fans.
If we were not desperate at the time he would have never been allowed to go on his ego trip, take back his money then enjoy a nice wage out of the club.
Time you lot looked into the real lawn.. A city fan yes.. A good chairman NO!
You will see lawn face in the media when things go well, you wont when things dont.
An investor - ha ha, more of a taker! or undertaker if we dont find a real money man.
2storey
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9:43am Mon 8 Feb 10
skyblogger wrote:get a life or a job you big t----ser you know nothing, i take it from your comments you have tried to be a free loader from the club and he has worked you out and told you to do one.
look stop being blinded - its all about cut backs. Look at chris casper shown the door. What kind of foundation is that, Things like this has caused the split. Lawn wants to be more involved in team affairs, aka zesh and topp, asian support??? haha pakistani captain - lots of income?? where is it? new asian ambassador at VP.. Dont make me laugh. I guess this will all be stuarts fault to if you listen to a drunken lawn. The people close to Lawn are also friends with mccall. Yet he constantly belittled him every time he had a drink. Not onlt to mccalls friends, his players and ordinary fans. If we were not desperate at the time he would have never been allowed to go on his ego trip, take back his money then enjoy a nice wage out of the club. Time you lot looked into the real lawn.. A city fan yes.. A good chairman NO! You will see lawn face in the media when things go well, you wont when things dont. An investor - ha ha, more of a taker! or undertaker if we dont find a real money man.
claytonbantam
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9:44am Mon 8 Feb 10
East_Bowling_Bantam
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9:48am Mon 8 Feb 10
CTID
2storey
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9:50am Mon 8 Feb 10
East_Bowling_Bantam wrote:why??????
LAWN OUT!!!! CTID
skyblogger
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9:55am Mon 8 Feb 10
has no pr skills and is basically disliked from all that work at VP.
HAVE YOU EVER ATTENDED A FANS FORUM- will even shout down his own paying customers if you dare to question.
macca1969
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9:57am Mon 8 Feb 10
2storey
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10:01am Mon 8 Feb 10
skyblogger wrote:i think he has upset you, as i work at vp and have done for many years and he is very hands on and everybody likes him, even the professor has only good words for him, he shares an office with jr and they are best of mates,even asked him to be god father to his child so get your facts right waster
lawn will destroy this club, a man on an ego trip sits drunk and blames everyone bar himself! has no pr skills and is basically disliked from all that work at VP. HAVE YOU EVER ATTENDED A FANS FORUM- will even shout down his own paying customers if you dare to question.
skyblogger
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10:01am Mon 8 Feb 10
oing well last year it was lawn that re-negotiated mccalls new contract.
What lawn said in the board room or to mccalls face, or the press for that matter is not the same words spoken to his friends (who were mccalls friends too), mcalls players (undermining the manager) the fans that visited him when drunk etc etc.
He is a big mouth who I would suggest holds very little respect to all that really know him.
skyblogger
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10:05am Mon 8 Feb 10
2storey
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10:08am Mon 8 Feb 10
irish bantam
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10:09am Mon 8 Feb 10
gspot
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10:10am Mon 8 Feb 10
2storey - if you are who i think you are then you're doing Lawn no favours at all by commenting what you are on here....unless he has asked you to for some strange reason.
skyblogger
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10:14am Mon 8 Feb 10
What truth is that?
That stuart signed zesh, or it was a pr stunt, that zesh was made captain, or a pr stunt, that casper was shown the door due to finance yet mccall was trying to build a foundation, what? oh tell me that mccall sneaked into lawns office and offerd two years contracts when indeed we could only budget for one aka boulding, mclaren, lee and brandon.
Oh and the topp fiasco. Tell yourself this would it not be easier removing the chairmans sign on your door to the managers sign?
skyblogger
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10:18am Mon 8 Feb 10
irish bantam wrote:And respect of the manager, hence why lawn was asked not to attend.
Why would stuart bother speaking to you Lawn ??? He will speak to the proper people at the club who have respect from the supporters.
thecitygent
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10:23am Mon 8 Feb 10
albion
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10:36am Mon 8 Feb 10
thecitygent
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10:50am Mon 8 Feb 10
skyblogger wrote:Can we assume that 2storey is now away from the keyboard with his ear to the door at VP or is he connected by webcam?
2storey we all have an idea who you are. ;-) we know you work at VP lol
gspot
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10:53am Mon 8 Feb 10
2storey wrote:have you nothing better to do then to spy on posters on here???
good, so you know i am telling the truth, and you havent a clue, but i know who you are!!!!!
windasboy
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11:02am Mon 8 Feb 10
Thee Voice of Reason
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11:06am Mon 8 Feb 10
farsleyct
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11:08am Mon 8 Feb 10
We are going down, no question, so ack quickly please!
nowt fresh
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11:11am Mon 8 Feb 10
gspot
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11:21am Mon 8 Feb 10
I'm not there on Saturday becasue Whitley Bay is calling but it would be intetresting to see if he justs stands leaning against the dug out with his arms folded!!!
nowt fresh
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11:23am Mon 8 Feb 10
gspot wrote:Been done before AKA Camy took us to Wembley (dont hold your breath)
jakes in charge...lol - obviosuly only short term but how funny would it be if we climbed the league?? I'm not there on Saturday becasue Whitley Bay is calling but it would be intetresting to see if he justs stands leaning against the dug out with his arms folded!!!
bingbrad
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11:40am Mon 8 Feb 10
windasboy
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11:56am Mon 8 Feb 10
Bantam58
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11:56am Mon 8 Feb 10
bingbrad wrote:But he is an old boy, he has been here before, he also turned Huddersfield into a shambles
We got to go for Stan Ternant, even short term.Good Manager AND coach, knows the club, will not stand for the under-performance we have seen, I think he is local & available. Its time for experience, not another emotional old boy appointment such as Windass or Jake who both messed up this season at Darlo / Lincoln.
Bantam58
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11:58am Mon 8 Feb 10
gspot
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12:02pm Mon 8 Feb 10
bingbrad wrote:good call. the best names i'd heard mentioned are:
We got to go for Stan Ternant, even short term.Good Manager AND coach, knows the club, will not stand for the under-performance we have seen, I think he is local & available. Its time for experience, not another emotional old boy appointment such as Windass or Jake who both messed up this season at Darlo / Lincoln.
Martin Allen
Stan Ternant
John Still
...i'd like the Accrington boss John Coleman!!! Don't know much about him apart from the fact he's doing a very very very good job with them.
I bet jakes will praying lots this week....i wonder if he'll have the players saying prayers in the centre circle as part of the warm up??
BD16
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12:13pm Mon 8 Feb 10
Bantam58 wrote:Jacko/Lincoln I assume.
Jake ? / Lincoln ?
Just seen on the City website a statement from the club confirming the Stuart has officially left.
Not sure who I fancy now. Martin Allen, Stan Ternant short term perhaps. Not John Still in a million years. He justs has the ball hoofed forward.
Kramer
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12:13pm Mon 8 Feb 10
windasboy
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12:14pm Mon 8 Feb 10
gspot wrote:why are you slagging off jakes, mccall brought him so he must have thought he was good,and you rate mccall
bingbrad wrote: We got to go for Stan Ternant, even short term.Good Manager AND coach, knows the club, will not stand for the under-performance we have seen, I think he is local & available. Its time for experience, not another emotional old boy appointment such as Windass or Jake who both messed up this season at Darlo / Lincoln.good call. the best names i'd heard mentioned are: Martin Allen Stan Ternant John Still ...i'd like the Accrington boss John Coleman!!! Don't know much about him apart from the fact he's doing a very very very good job with them. I bet jakes will praying lots this week....i wonder if he'll have the players saying prayers in the centre circle as part of the warm up??
gspot
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12:21pm Mon 8 Feb 10
Kramer
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12:28pm Mon 8 Feb 10
windasboy
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1:01pm Mon 8 Feb 10
skyblogger wrote:can you tell us which pub this happens in as i woiuldnt mind having a few words face to face myself
everyone forgets when things were g oing well last year it was lawn that re-negotiated mccalls new contract. What lawn said in the board room or to mccalls face, or the press for that matter is not the same words spoken to his friends (who were mccalls friends too), mcalls players (undermining the manager) the fans that visited him when drunk etc etc. He is a big mouth who I would suggest holds very little respect to all that really know him.
ilkleyborn
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1:31pm Mon 8 Feb 10
BradfordBoy-Heaton
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1:46pm Mon 8 Feb 10
Reckless
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3:44pm Mon 8 Feb 10
Lancashire Branch wrote:yes agreed, I have a mate who plays golf with PJ, maybe I should send him a text and ask him to give him a push ;-)
Please,please,please come and help us in our hour of need Paul Jewell.
Jewell would be EXACTLY the right man to sort out these pretenders - discipline required.
pudsey.bantam
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3:46pm Mon 8 Feb 10
allannicho
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4:04pm Mon 8 Feb 10
cookie_brighton
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5:01pm Mon 8 Feb 10
....Never forget lads....football is now a business and not a sport as it was years ago.............CTID
Bantam992
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8:48pm Mon 8 Feb 10
cookie_brighton wrote:So you're saying you want to get rid of our top-scorer, only half decent defender and a good prospect for the future that is very clever! I am personally glad McCall is gone and just wish Jacobs had followed him out of the door. Still a month or two too late! We were going nowhere with those two at the helm! Lets get an experienced manager in and make something of Bradford City Football Club! ...CTID
I have listened to mccall on the video above and i have just listened to him on b.b.c. news.......he does not look like a man who is upset to be leaving HIS BELOVED city.Also now by looking at jacobs in charge.we will be playing non league football next season.I think we need CLARKE KENT to survive this season.Get rid of the plumber,hairdresser and shelf stacker and give us the team we deserve.............
....Never forget lads....football is now a business and not a sport as it was years ago.............CTID
nowt fresh
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8:57pm Mon 8 Feb 10
cookie_brighton wrote:Try Spec Savers Mate CTID my arse
I have listened to mccall on the video above and i have just listened to him on b.b.c. news.......he does not look like a man who is upset to be leaving HIS BELOVED city.Also now by looking at jacobs in charge.we will be playing non league football next season.I think we need CLARKE KENT to survive this season.Get rid of the plumber,hairdresser and shelf stacker and give us the team we deserve............. ....Never forget lads....football is now a business and not a sport as it was years ago.............CTID
Waynus71
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9:53pm Mon 8 Feb 10
cookie_brighton wrote:One word needed, just one...... "KN0B"!
I have listened to mccall on the video above and i have just listened to him on b.b.c. news.......he does not look like a man who is upset to be leaving HIS BELOVED city.Also now by looking at jacobs in charge.we will be playing non league football next season.I think we need CLARKE KENT to survive this season.Get rid of the plumber,hairdresser and shelf stacker and give us the team we deserve.............
....Never forget lads....football is now a business and not a sport as it was years ago.............CTID
Waynus71
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9:54pm Mon 8 Feb 10
Stuart McCall is a honest, hard-working bloke with the utmost integrity. I may have knocked his ability as a manager/coach (which by resigning, he is now admitting), but I have never knocked Stuart McCall the man.
I will always respect the fact that he put his all into the job, worked as hard as he could and when he realised he couldn't deliver, he was man enough to stand down.
What most people will remember him for is his ability as a footballer, notably at City. we will all remember how happy he was when we won promotion to the Premiership, the infamous falling off the car roof etc. However, the real supporters will remember him for something much more important than that. That is, the way he has handled himself over the tragic events of 1985. He never stopped caring about those that perished or the ones they left behind. It will always stay with him and as such, we will always have a special bond.
I would like to think that McCall will go away, continue to learn more coaching methods and manage reserve sides/youth teams/non-league teams and one day, return to complete unfinished business, once he is actually ready.
Waynus71
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9:54pm Mon 8 Feb 10
Stuart McCall is a honest, hard-working bloke with the utmost integrity. I may have knocked his ability as a manager/coach (which by resigning, he is now admitting), but I have never knocked Stuart McCall the man.
I will always respect the fact that he put his all into the job, worked as hard as he could and when he realised he couldn't deliver, he was man enough to stand down.
What most people will remember him for is his ability as a footballer, notably at City. we will all remember how happy he was when we won promotion to the Premiership, the infamous falling off the car roof etc. However, the real supporters will remember him for something much more important than that. That is, the way he has handled himself over the tragic events of 1985. He never stopped caring about those that perished or the ones they left behind. It will always stay with him and as such, we will always have a special bond.
I would like to think that McCall will go away, continue to learn more coaching methods and manage reserve sides/youth teams/non-league teams and one day, return to complete unfinished business, once he is actually ready.
Waynus71
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9:56pm Mon 8 Feb 10
"Stuart McCall's Bradford Army.
we want Lawn Out".
Waynus71
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9:58pm Mon 8 Feb 10
albion wrote:???? What will be waynus?
It`ll be Waynus.
dannbradfc
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10:43pm Mon 8 Feb 10
Waynus71 wrote:You have had enough goats to start your own farming business
If you are all so sure this is down to Mark Lawn (thge new scape goat), why don't you start the chant on Saturday; "Stuart McCall's Bradford Army. we want Lawn Out".
Waynus71
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10:52pm Mon 8 Feb 10
dannbradfc wrote:You'd know. For every one that I had, you countered it with another!
Waynus71 wrote:You have had enough goats to start your own farming business
If you are all so sure this is down to Mark Lawn (thge new scape goat), why don't you start the chant on Saturday; "Stuart McCall's Bradford Army. we want Lawn Out".
McCall - Jacobs
Daley - Colbeck
McLaren - Bully
Clarke - Lee
TJ - Rehman
Then you have also picked fights with me over the abilities (scapegoats) of Boulding & Conlon.
As I said, you are not whiter-than-white!
Waynus71
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10:54pm Mon 8 Feb 10
Waynus71 wrote:Oh and not forgetting Mark Lawn!!!!
dannbradfc wrote:You'd know. For every one that I had, you countered it with another!
Waynus71 wrote:You have had enough goats to start your own farming business
If you are all so sure this is down to Mark Lawn (thge new scape goat), why don't you start the chant on Saturday; "Stuart McCall's Bradford Army. we want Lawn Out".
McCall - Jacobs
Daley - Colbeck
McLaren - Bully
Clarke - Lee
TJ - Rehman
Then you have also picked fights with me over the abilities (scapegoats) of Boulding & Conlon.
As I said, you are not whiter-than-white!
lonniejockstrap
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12:18am Tue 9 Feb 10
Waynus71 wrote:And yet, you couldn't find it in you to be loyal, to understand that besides HIS mistakes there were many other factors that contributed to our situation that were out of his control. You were not prepared to forgo your own selfish needs long enough to see what he could do with a full fit squad and a run of 'ref-free' ****-ups. You couldn't refrain from calling for the head of the man you NOW praise. You wanted your Golden Goose and you wanted it now, and if you wasn't going to get it you were going to screem! And boy did you screem for the resignation or sacking of Stuart McCall. Talk about people who 'know the cost of everything but the VALUE of nothing'. Your word are empty Waynus, you kicked Stuart when he was down. You even have to take CREDIT in your being smarter than McCall because he is now 'admitting' that YOU were right all along, he didn't know that he couldn't 'Manage/coach' but YOU did. Why didn't you tell him that before he took on the job, that way you wouldn't have had to ask for his resignation? Give us a break, with 'loyal' jelly legged fans like you there is no way I would want Stuart to come back here and have to put up for a second time with the impatient, short-term, short-sighted, cheapskate, kick-you-when-your-d
Stuart McCall is NOT a legend. You may ask why I say that, as he is someone I admire greatly. The word legend means, "a person whose fame or notoriety makes him a source of exaggerated or romanticized tales or exploits". Personally, I don't think his tales need any exaggeration! Stuart McCall is a honest, hard-working bloke with the utmost integrity. I may have knocked his ability as a manager/coach (which by resigning, he is now admitting), but I have never knocked Stuart McCall the man. I will always respect the fact that he put his all into the job, worked as hard as he could and when he realised he couldn't deliver, he was man enough to stand down. What most people will remember him for is his ability as a footballer, notably at City. we will all remember how happy he was when we won promotion to the Premiership, the infamous falling off the car roof etc. However, the real supporters will remember him for something much more important than that. That is, the way he has handled himself over the tragic events of 1985. He never stopped caring about those that perished or the ones they left behind. It will always stay with him and as such, we will always have a special bond. I would like to think that McCall will go away, continue to learn more coaching methods and manage reserve sides/youth teams/non-league teams and one day, return to complete unfinished business, once he is actually ready.
own, philistines that represent a significant number of supporters at VP. Hope the Willy Wonkers, Lawn and Rhodes, will let you have your Golden Goose next time around Waynus.
Waynus71
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1:15am Tue 9 Feb 10
lonniejockstrap wrote:Blah, blah, blah. You have been waiting for me haven't you. You are so sad, you wait for my posts, just so you can respond in your own unique way.
Waynus71 wrote:And yet, you couldn't find it in you to be loyal, to understand that besides HIS mistakes there were many other factors that contributed to our situation that were out of his control. You were not prepared to forgo your own selfish needs long enough to see what he could do with a full fit squad and a run of 'ref-free' ****-ups. You couldn't refrain from calling for the head of the man you NOW praise. You wanted your Golden Goose and you wanted it now, and if you wasn't going to get it you were going to screem! And boy did you screem for the resignation or sacking of Stuart McCall. Talk about people who 'know the cost of everything but the VALUE of nothing'. Your word are empty Waynus, you kicked Stuart when he was down. You even have to take CREDIT in your being smarter than McCall because he is now 'admitting' that YOU were right all along, he didn't know that he couldn't 'Manage/coach' but YOU did. Why didn't you tell him that before he took on the job, that way you wouldn't have had to ask for his resignation? Give us a break, with 'loyal' jelly legged fans like you there is no way I would want Stuart to come back here and have to put up for a second time with the impatient, short-term, short-sighted, cheapskate, kick-you-when-your-d
Stuart McCall is NOT a legend. You may ask why I say that, as he is someone I admire greatly. The word legend means, "a person whose fame or notoriety makes him a source of exaggerated or romanticized tales or exploits". Personally, I don't think his tales need any exaggeration! Stuart McCall is a honest, hard-working bloke with the utmost integrity. I may have knocked his ability as a manager/coach (which by resigning, he is now admitting), but I have never knocked Stuart McCall the man. I will always respect the fact that he put his all into the job, worked as hard as he could and when he realised he couldn't deliver, he was man enough to stand down. What most people will remember him for is his ability as a footballer, notably at City. we will all remember how happy he was when we won promotion to the Premiership, the infamous falling off the car roof etc. However, the real supporters will remember him for something much more important than that. That is, the way he has handled himself over the tragic events of 1985. He never stopped caring about those that perished or the ones they left behind. It will always stay with him and as such, we will always have a special bond. I would like to think that McCall will go away, continue to learn more coaching methods and manage reserve sides/youth teams/non-league teams and one day, return to complete unfinished business, once he is actually ready.
own, philistines that represent a significant number of supporters at VP. Hope the Willy Wonkers, Lawn and Rhodes, will let you have your Golden Goose next time around Waynus.
I admit I didn't recognise McCall's managerial abilities and I stand by the fact he has left without 'succeeding'.
For the record, McCall walked because of his own failings, NOT because I knocked his skills on a T&A message board. There is a difference between admiring a man and bowing to every thing he does, even if they are poor decisions!
You keep mentioning these, "many other factors that contributed to our situation that were out of his control". I am still to be convinced what these factors are.
His first season was a waste of time and he admitted as much. He didn't know the league or the players needed. We all respected this and hoped he learn from any mistakes he made in that first season. However, he went out and spent big. You can deny it all you want, but he spent lots of Lawn/Rhodes' money and failed for a second time.
Then, when everyone gave him a 3rd chance (and I include myself in that), he signed Matt Clarke, Zesh Rehman, Leon Osbourne & Luke Sharry before looking around for better recruitments. Although Osbourne & Sharry won't have been on top bucks, their combined salary would have helped us bring in a player that would genuinely challenge for a first team slot. Neither of them two are good enough to do so. As for Clarke, the least said about him the better.
But my biggest reservations about McCall's management was the way he panicked when things weren't going right. We would go from bossing a game and creating nigh on 30 chances, to completely changing our style & formation in the next game. Why???? As I said previously, all clubs go through a bad spell, but hard work and keeping to your principles usually help you through it. When McCall got into a rut, he didn't know how to get out of it and made some disastrous decisions to try to force something to happen. As a result, the players lost confidence and the rut just got bigger.
Doesn't mean I will stop admiring him as a person, just because I don't agree with his managerial abilities.
cookie_brighton
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6:44am Tue 9 Feb 10
h is in fact the old 4th division.Granted that the plumber,hairdresser and the shelf stacker are good enough for this division,but not,in my view good enough for any higher. CTID
cookie_brighton
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6:49am Tue 9 Feb 10
en to specsavers,been a city fan for 45 years. i was probably stood in the shed before u was even thought of, and who are you to say that i am not city till i die.
cookie_brighton
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6:53am Tue 9 Feb 10
ly that word you used was to describe yourself. CTID
nowt fresh
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11:56am Tue 9 Feb 10
cookie_brighton wrote:Dont think so cookie used to stand in the boys section (now where the players run out) 50 years of supporting the lads so wrong again cookie.......he does not look like a man who is upset to be leaving HIS BELOVED City it was pretty obvious he was emotional to anyone but you thats the reason I told you to go to Spec Savers
nowtfresh.........be en to specsavers,been a city fan for 45 years. i was probably stood in the shed before u was even thought of, and who are you to say that i am not city till i die.
Waynus71
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3:52pm Tue 9 Feb 10
cookie_brighton wrote:No, only a KN0B would not see how McCall was distraught at the fact he had failed. And to suggest we are going to get relegated in one breath whilst suggesting 'the hairdresser, plumber etc' not be good enough for the division above is a joke.
Waynus lmao.........obvious ly that word you used was to describe yourself. CTID
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Old Dave says...
8:26am Mon 8 Feb 10
Oh, and by the sound of it, we need a new joint chairman, or at least for Lawn to put up or shut up!