Lawn: It's May when it counts

Bradford Telegraph and Argus: Mark Lawn has praised City fans for their turnout and asked them to keep the faith Mark Lawn has praised City fans for their turnout and asked them to keep the faith

Mark Lawn today urged fans not to panic after seeing City drop out of the play-off picture.

Tuesday’s dismal defeat at Bury dropped the Bantams into ninth spot – their lowest position of the season.

Stuart McCall’s men have won only once in the league since the end of November, picking up nine points from a possible 27.

McCall is demanding an immediate response from his side this weekend when they face crucial home clashes with Grimsby and promotion rivals Darlington.

Joint-chairman Lawn appreciates the fears of the fans but said: “It’s not May 2 yet. That’s when it counts.

“It is concerning and everybody is bound to be worried. I can quite understand that.

“But we’ve got the squad capable of doing it. All we’ve got to find is the right mixture.

“I’m sure we will make serious inroads into the teams above us, starting against Grimsby on Saturday.”

City took more than 1,800 supporters to Gigg Lane and Lawn paid tribute to their backing.

He said: “I have to say that our fans were amazing and the Bury chairman couldn’t believe it as well. They’ve never seen that number of away supporters at their ground for a midweek game.

“It was a pity the performance let them down but now we’ve got to get that out of our system. Let’s do what the Man Uniteds of the world always do at this time of the season and turn up the pressure.”

City’s promotion rivals Exeter lost 2-1 at Chesterfield last night.

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7:32am Thu 29 Jan 09

Freddy says...

I do not agree with Mark Lawn's assessment of the current squad of Players.
He said " But we’ve got the squad capable of doing it. All we’ve got to find is the right mixture."

Surely 'The Board' can see that our current 'Strikers' are not delivering the goals they are expected to score?!.

There are TWO days left of the Transfer Window. Loan out those that are on the fringe/not match fit. Get a NEW Striker signed NOW!!.

Mark Lawn is quoted as saying----- " Joint-chairman Lawn appreciates the fears of the fans but said: “It’s not May 2 yet. That’s when it counts."

Oh Dear!-- The Season is finished then. Are you expecting 'City' to be involved with the 'Play-Offs?'.

The whole Team failed miserably at Bury on Tuesday. Every Supporter that attended that match, should be re-imbursed financially for their TOTAL COSTS. TO BE PAID FROM THE PLAYERS WAGES, FOR THIS WEEK.

JULIAN RHODES and MARK LAWN have stated they want 'BACK TO BACK' Promotion. If BOTH- JOINT CHAIRMEN- do not respond, and react NOW, to the problems with our current Squad. Then it will be NEXT Season, before you MAY be able, or dare to say; We want 'BACK to BACK' Promotion.

You Both have 48 HOURS to respond to this Mid -Season crisis,otherwise the opportunity for a promotion attempt, will be LOST!.



I do not agree with Mark Lawn's assessment of the current squad of Players. He said " But we’ve got the squad capable of doing it. All we’ve got to find is the right mixture." Surely 'The Board' can see that our current 'Strikers' are not delivering the goals they are expected to score?!. There are TWO days left of the Transfer Window. Loan out those that are on the fringe/not match fit. Get a NEW Striker signed NOW!!. Mark Lawn is quoted as saying----- " Joint-chairman Lawn appreciates the fears of the fans but said: “It’s not May 2 yet. That’s when it counts." Oh Dear!-- The Season is finished then. Are you expecting 'City' to be involved with the 'Play-Offs?'. The whole Team failed miserably at Bury on Tuesday. Every Supporter that attended that match, should be re-imbursed financially for their TOTAL COSTS. TO BE PAID FROM THE PLAYERS WAGES, FOR THIS WEEK. JULIAN RHODES and MARK LAWN have stated they want 'BACK TO BACK' Promotion. If BOTH- JOINT CHAIRMEN- do not respond, and react NOW, to the problems with our current Squad. Then it will be NEXT Season, before you MAY be able, or dare to say; We want 'BACK to BACK' Promotion. You Both have 48 HOURS to respond to this Mid -Season crisis,otherwise the opportunity for a promotion attempt, will be LOST!. Freddy

7:48am Thu 29 Jan 09

tyker says...

basically saying there will no change:no quite the vote of confidence and we are behind the manager but near enough.

THE MESSAGE SAYS" CARRY ON AS BEFORE AND WE WILL SORT IT WHEN IT IS TOO LATE TO DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT!"


Confirmation if ever confirmation was needed that internet comments are noted by those on high!!
basically saying there will no change:no quite the vote of confidence and we are behind the manager but near enough. THE MESSAGE SAYS" CARRY ON AS BEFORE AND WE WILL SORT IT WHEN IT IS TOO LATE TO DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT!" Confirmation if ever confirmation was needed that internet comments are noted by those on high!! tyker

7:56am Thu 29 Jan 09

spleen ventor says...

While agreeing to some degree to Freddy's comments, I don't think the striker positions are of priority. We have three strikers with 31 goals between them, (that equates to 52 over a season, a good return in anyones book) proving that given the chances they will score the goals required. No striker scores all the chances he gets and Tuesday we just didn't create enough chances, this wasn't helped by some puzzling selections from Stuart, (a winger up front, most creative central midfielder on the wing!...etc).What has to happen, ( and Lawn mentions Man U), our manager has to pick his strongest available team with everyone in their right positions, that's all Sir Alex has been doing down the years.
While agreeing to some degree to Freddy's comments, I don't think the striker positions are of priority. We have three strikers with 31 goals between them, (that equates to 52 over a season, a good return in anyones book) proving that given the chances they will score the goals required. No striker scores all the chances he gets and Tuesday we just didn't create enough chances, this wasn't helped by some puzzling selections from Stuart, (a winger up front, most creative central midfielder on the wing!...etc).What has to happen, ( and Lawn mentions Man U), our manager has to pick his strongest available team with everyone in their right positions, that's all Sir Alex has been doing down the years. spleen ventor

8:10am Thu 29 Jan 09

Lees says...

spleen ventor wrote:
While agreeing to some degree to Freddy's comments, I don't think the striker positions are of priority. We have three strikers with 31 goals between them, (that equates to 52 over a season, a good return in anyones book) proving that given the chances they will score the goals required. No striker scores all the chances he gets and Tuesday we just didn't create enough chances, this wasn't helped by some puzzling selections from Stuart, (a winger up front, most creative central midfielder on the wing!...etc).What has to happen, ( and Lawn mentions Man U), our manager has to pick his strongest available team with everyone in their right positions, that's all Sir Alex has been doing down the years.
Can't believe you don't think a striker is a priority. We may have the goals on the board from our strikers but they have dried up totally infact the best striker Thorne hasn't scored since Novemeber. Boulding and especially Conlon aren't up to it clearly.

Is Freddy said no striker no promotion and I totally agree.

Plus if as stated earler this season we want Back to Back promotions. The strikers we have, have no chance at a higher level so lets build for the next level and get someone in descent.

How many open goals does Conlon have to miss before some of you guys realise how poor he is, he wouldn't get a look in in any of the top 3 teams in our league.
[quote][p][bold]spleen ventor[/bold] wrote: While agreeing to some degree to Freddy's comments, I don't think the striker positions are of priority. We have three strikers with 31 goals between them, (that equates to 52 over a season, a good return in anyones book) proving that given the chances they will score the goals required. No striker scores all the chances he gets and Tuesday we just didn't create enough chances, this wasn't helped by some puzzling selections from Stuart, (a winger up front, most creative central midfielder on the wing!...etc).What has to happen, ( and Lawn mentions Man U), our manager has to pick his strongest available team with everyone in their right positions, that's all Sir Alex has been doing down the years.[/p][/quote]Can't believe you don't think a striker is a priority. We may have the goals on the board from our strikers but they have dried up totally infact the best striker Thorne hasn't scored since Novemeber. Boulding and especially Conlon aren't up to it clearly. Is Freddy said no striker no promotion and I totally agree. Plus if as stated earler this season we want Back to Back promotions. The strikers we have, have no chance at a higher level so lets build for the next level and get someone in descent. How many open goals does Conlon have to miss before some of you guys realise how poor he is, he wouldn't get a look in in any of the top 3 teams in our league. Lees

8:15am Thu 29 Jan 09

Prisoner Cell Block A says...

I am still baffled by the amountof calls for a new striker, we are in the top 5 in the division for goals for and have conceded more than a goal per game. The idea in football is to score more than you concede, we are scoring enough, we aren't keeping em out. The three main strikers we do have have hit double figures so they do know how to score, the problem lies in stopping teams before they hit our back line.
I am still baffled by the amountof calls for a new striker, we are in the top 5 in the division for goals for and have conceded more than a goal per game. The idea in football is to score more than you concede, we are scoring enough, we aren't keeping em out. The three main strikers we do have have hit double figures so they do know how to score, the problem lies in stopping teams before they hit our back line. Prisoner Cell Block A

8:24am Thu 29 Jan 09

Lees says...

How can he say it's May when it counts. He didn't have to pay £50 to take his wife and kid to watch that garbage on Tuesday thats why.

It counts now we want to see some descent football especially down at VP where quite frankly the £6 per game has almost been too much.

Give us some good football to watch now! Not come next season or May... NOW!! We are getting frustrated and bored with our teams garbage performances!
How can he say it's May when it counts. He didn't have to pay £50 to take his wife and kid to watch that garbage on Tuesday thats why. It counts now we want to see some descent football especially down at VP where quite frankly the £6 per game has almost been too much. Give us some good football to watch now! Not come next season or May... NOW!! We are getting frustrated and bored with our teams garbage performances! Lees

8:35am Thu 29 Jan 09

spleen ventor says...

Lees wrote:
spleen ventor wrote: While agreeing to some degree to Freddy's comments, I don't think the striker positions are of priority. We have three strikers with 31 goals between them, (that equates to 52 over a season, a good return in anyones book) proving that given the chances they will score the goals required. No striker scores all the chances he gets and Tuesday we just didn't create enough chances, this wasn't helped by some puzzling selections from Stuart, (a winger up front, most creative central midfielder on the wing!...etc).What has to happen, ( and Lawn mentions Man U), our manager has to pick his strongest available team with everyone in their right positions, that's all Sir Alex has been doing down the years.
Can't believe you don't think a striker is a priority. We may have the goals on the board from our strikers but they have dried up totally infact the best striker Thorne hasn't scored since Novemeber. Boulding and especially Conlon aren't up to it clearly. Is Freddy said no striker no promotion and I totally agree. Plus if as stated earler this season we want Back to Back promotions. The strikers we have, have no chance at a higher level so lets build for the next level and get someone in descent. How many open goals does Conlon have to miss before some of you guys realise how poor he is, he wouldn't get a look in in any of the top 3 teams in our league.
I never said the strikers we have are good enough for the league above and if anyone believes we'll achieve back to back promotions, they are living in cloud cuckoo land. The problem is we don't create enough chances and the contributary factor in recent games has been the manager not picking players in the right positions to enable us to do so. As for your comments on Conlon, your obviously blinkered in your opinions and have never played the game and are just following the calls from the rest of the Boo Barry Boys. Apart from having 9 league goals from only 12 starts, (an excellent strike rate in any league), he works his socks off never giving less than 110%, plus he's our best deffender at set pieces to the opposition!
[quote][p][bold]Lees[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]spleen ventor[/bold] wrote: While agreeing to some degree to Freddy's comments, I don't think the striker positions are of priority. We have three strikers with 31 goals between them, (that equates to 52 over a season, a good return in anyones book) proving that given the chances they will score the goals required. No striker scores all the chances he gets and Tuesday we just didn't create enough chances, this wasn't helped by some puzzling selections from Stuart, (a winger up front, most creative central midfielder on the wing!...etc).What has to happen, ( and Lawn mentions Man U), our manager has to pick his strongest available team with everyone in their right positions, that's all Sir Alex has been doing down the years.[/p][/quote]Can't believe you don't think a striker is a priority. We may have the goals on the board from our strikers but they have dried up totally infact the best striker Thorne hasn't scored since Novemeber. Boulding and especially Conlon aren't up to it clearly. Is Freddy said no striker no promotion and I totally agree. Plus if as stated earler this season we want Back to Back promotions. The strikers we have, have no chance at a higher level so lets build for the next level and get someone in descent. How many open goals does Conlon have to miss before some of you guys realise how poor he is, he wouldn't get a look in in any of the top 3 teams in our league.[/p][/quote]I never said the strikers we have are good enough for the league above and if anyone believes we'll achieve back to back promotions, they are living in cloud cuckoo land. The problem is we don't create enough chances and the contributary factor in recent games has been the manager not picking players in the right positions to enable us to do so. As for your comments on Conlon, your obviously blinkered in your opinions and have never played the game and are just following the calls from the rest of the Boo Barry Boys. Apart from having 9 league goals from only 12 starts, (an excellent strike rate in any league), he works his socks off never giving less than 110%, plus he's our best deffender at set pieces to the opposition! spleen ventor

8:50am Thu 29 Jan 09

tyker says...

incidentally: "Let’s do what the Man Uniteds of the world always do at this time of the season and turn up the pressure.”

what pressure:about as much pressure can be applied by this team as I can generate though my old mike pump!
incidentally: "Let’s do what the Man Uniteds of the world always do at this time of the season and turn up the pressure.” what pressure:about as much pressure can be applied by this team as I can generate though my old mike pump! tyker

9:07am Thu 29 Jan 09

Craig says...

The startling comment to me amid all this is that Lawn still feels we need to find the right mix for the team to perform!

What the hell have we been doing all season?

The mix should already be there and barring injuries, we should have a settled consistent team, which we might have if the midfield and striker combinations were not changed from one game to the next!
The startling comment to me amid all this is that Lawn still feels we need to find the right mix for the team to perform! What the hell have we been doing all season? The mix should already be there and barring injuries, we should have a settled consistent team, which we might have if the midfield and striker combinations were not changed from one game to the next! Craig

9:14am Thu 29 Jan 09

macca1969 says...

Glad lawn can see sense i'll just love it when we go up and i hear all you jumped up idiots chanting stuarts name.COME ON STUART YOUR THE RIGHT MAN TURN IT AROUND AND PROVE THEM ALL WRONG.CTID
Glad lawn can see sense i'll just love it when we go up and i hear all you jumped up idiots chanting stuarts name.COME ON STUART YOUR THE RIGHT MAN TURN IT AROUND AND PROVE THEM ALL WRONG.CTID macca1969

9:27am Thu 29 Jan 09

corm says...

As fans we all have our opinions and views when facing statistics that consign us to the lower half of the table. The last ten matches do exactly that. Whilst it is a relief to one's frustration to pillory individual players and to adopt a'quick fix' strategy such as 'bring in another striker,' the big picture tends to get lost in the detail. Quite simply, the problem lies not with individual players, but with the overall pattern of play, the strategies, tactics and mobilisation of players' energy, commitment, ability to provide what the playing position requires and all those skills that are needed in the mix to produce a successful football team. Whereas some progress has been made (remember last year?) there is nothing in the actual team performance that encourages a realist to maintain aspirations about promotion. We are still a seriously average inconsistent team who can sparkle on odd occasions or for 30 minutes of a game, but can't maintain a pattern of play that dominates the opposition for over an hour per game. Therefore, form is hit and miss and this will continue unless strategic and tactical issues are addressed. The modern game requires that there are at least six players in any zone where the ball is, to offer the player in possession the maximum options. Our set up is more akin to table football, a rigidity of player position and a lack of awareness about the subtle effectiveness of mobile patterns of play. Bringing in extra players is unlikely to have any impact on this aspect of our game. We are far too predictable and static, allowing the opposition to suss our 'game.' These days it is not sufficient to have a plan B, successful teams need a C, D and Z as well.
As fans we all have our opinions and views when facing statistics that consign us to the lower half of the table. The last ten matches do exactly that. Whilst it is a relief to one's frustration to pillory individual players and to adopt a'quick fix' strategy such as 'bring in another striker,' the big picture tends to get lost in the detail. Quite simply, the problem lies not with individual players, but with the overall pattern of play, the strategies, tactics and mobilisation of players' energy, commitment, ability to provide what the playing position requires and all those skills that are needed in the mix to produce a successful football team. Whereas some progress has been made (remember last year?) there is nothing in the actual team performance that encourages a realist to maintain aspirations about promotion. We are still a seriously average inconsistent team who can sparkle on odd occasions or for 30 minutes of a game, but can't maintain a pattern of play that dominates the opposition for over an hour per game. Therefore, form is hit and miss and this will continue unless strategic and tactical issues are addressed. The modern game requires that there are at least six players in any zone where the ball is, to offer the player in possession the maximum options. Our set up is more akin to table football, a rigidity of player position and a lack of awareness about the subtle effectiveness of mobile patterns of play. Bringing in extra players is unlikely to have any impact on this aspect of our game. We are far too predictable and static, allowing the opposition to suss our 'game.' These days it is not sufficient to have a plan B, successful teams need a C, D and Z as well. corm

9:42am Thu 29 Jan 09

macca1310 says...

"Let's do what the Man Uniteds do and turn up the pressure"

hmmm... the difference is man united play a good standard of attacking football. They don't just start winning for no reason.
"Let's do what the Man Uniteds do and turn up the pressure" hmmm... the difference is man united play a good standard of attacking football. They don't just start winning for no reason. macca1310

9:44am Thu 29 Jan 09

the general 81-86 says...

macca1969 wrote:
Glad lawn can see sense i'll just love it when we go up and i hear all you jumped up idiots chanting stuarts name.COME ON STUART YOUR THE RIGHT MAN TURN IT AROUND AND PROVE THEM ALL WRONG.CTID
Spot ON Macca 69
Will see what these numptys have to say come May when we go up

Get behind your team and manager and stop been the fickle moaning fan ,you know who you are .
[quote][p][bold]macca1969[/bold] wrote: Glad lawn can see sense i'll just love it when we go up and i hear all you jumped up idiots chanting stuarts name.COME ON STUART YOUR THE RIGHT MAN TURN IT AROUND AND PROVE THEM ALL WRONG.CTID[/p][/quote]Spot ON Macca 69 Will see what these numptys have to say come May when we go up Get behind your team and manager and stop been the fickle moaning fan ,you know who you are . the general 81-86

10:08am Thu 29 Jan 09

s.b.c says...

New strikers. New strikers. Get real out there. You all know there's no money there. You've seen O'grady for aprox.ten minutes and said he can't play

However what concerns me is the complete lack of football intelligence you possess. The football that we're playing would make it difficult for the best strikers in the world to score goals.

Complete lack of creativity in midfield resulting in the minimum of chances being made.

Remember that superb football we played at Port Vale?. Get back to playing football City, the goals will come.
New strikers. New strikers. Get real out there. You all know there's no money there. You've seen O'grady for aprox.ten minutes and said he can't play However what concerns me is the complete lack of football intelligence you possess. The football that we're playing would make it difficult for the best strikers in the world to score goals. Complete lack of creativity in midfield resulting in the minimum of chances being made. Remember that superb football we played at Port Vale?. Get back to playing football City, the goals will come. s.b.c

10:16am Thu 29 Jan 09

SkiptonPaul says...

WE are conceding too many goals and not creating enough chances. The strikers we have are good enough and will score if the chances are made for them. Lets forget about getting new players in now and just pick our strongest team with everyone playing in their correct positions, and showing some effort. Forget pumping the ball upfiels in the hope that we might win it in the air. Get it on the floor and play football (that is the name of the game not head tennis). Look for the ball when Evans has it, find space and look for the ball when we have a throw in. At present it takes 5 minutes for each throw in because no-body is finding space for themselves to receive the ball. Last of all please lets get behind the team and not keep knocking them (even if they do desrve it after Tuesday night's fiasco
WE are conceding too many goals and not creating enough chances. The strikers we have are good enough and will score if the chances are made for them. Lets forget about getting new players in now and just pick our strongest team with everyone playing in their correct positions, and showing some effort. Forget pumping the ball upfiels in the hope that we might win it in the air. Get it on the floor and play football (that is the name of the game not head tennis). Look for the ball when Evans has it, find space and look for the ball when we have a throw in. At present it takes 5 minutes for each throw in because no-body is finding space for themselves to receive the ball. Last of all please lets get behind the team and not keep knocking them (even if they do desrve it after Tuesday night's fiasco SkiptonPaul

10:21am Thu 29 Jan 09

Lancashire Branch says...

Stuart just get in that dressing room and remind these players that for most of them it's the last chance that they will get to move up the legue table with a big club and a fantastic support,or will they happy to be playing for Accrington next season,sorry Stanley.
Fire the bullets Stuart and see who falls into line and drop those who don't.
Stuart just get in that dressing room and remind these players that for most of them it's the last chance that they will get to move up the legue table with a big club and a fantastic support,or will they happy to be playing for Accrington next season,sorry Stanley. Fire the bullets Stuart and see who falls into line and drop those who don't. Lancashire Branch

10:32am Thu 29 Jan 09

Prisoner Cell Block A says...

Of course SM is the right man, what's the other choice, a bloke like Jim Jeffries turning up for the dosh with no affinity to City whatsoever. You can bet stu is hurting as much if not more than the rest of us, and he has only the club's interests at heart, he may get bogged down at times but he is the man to pull us through this and move us forward. I'd rather we carried on as we are for a season or two until all the foundations of the club are solid before we attempt another major jump forward. Slowly slowly catchee monkey.
Of course SM is the right man, what's the other choice, a bloke like Jim Jeffries turning up for the dosh with no affinity to City whatsoever. You can bet stu is hurting as much if not more than the rest of us, and he has only the club's interests at heart, he may get bogged down at times but he is the man to pull us through this and move us forward. I'd rather we carried on as we are for a season or two until all the foundations of the club are solid before we attempt another major jump forward. Slowly slowly catchee monkey. Prisoner Cell Block A

10:41am Thu 29 Jan 09

Lees says...

spleen ventor wrote:
Lees wrote:
spleen ventor wrote: While agreeing to some degree to Freddy's comments, I don't think the striker positions are of priority. We have three strikers with 31 goals between them, (that equates to 52 over a season, a good return in anyones book) proving that given the chances they will score the goals required. No striker scores all the chances he gets and Tuesday we just didn't create enough chances, this wasn't helped by some puzzling selections from Stuart, (a winger up front, most creative central midfielder on the wing!...etc).What has to happen, ( and Lawn mentions Man U), our manager has to pick his strongest available team with everyone in their right positions, that's all Sir Alex has been doing down the years.
Can't believe you don't think a striker is a priority. We may have the goals on the board from our strikers but they have dried up totally infact the best striker Thorne hasn't scored since Novemeber. Boulding and especially Conlon aren't up to it clearly. Is Freddy said no striker no promotion and I totally agree. Plus if as stated earler this season we want Back to Back promotions. The strikers we have, have no chance at a higher level so lets build for the next level and get someone in descent. How many open goals does Conlon have to miss before some of you guys realise how poor he is, he wouldn't get a look in in any of the top 3 teams in our league.
I never said the strikers we have are good enough for the league above and if anyone believes we'll achieve back to back promotions, they are living in cloud cuckoo land. The problem is we don't create enough chances and the contributary factor in recent games has been the manager not picking players in the right positions to enable us to do so. As for your comments on Conlon, your obviously blinkered in your opinions and have never played the game and are just following the calls from the rest of the Boo Barry Boys. Apart from having 9 league goals from only 12 starts, (an excellent strike rate in any league), he works his socks off never giving less than 110%, plus he's our best deffender at set pieces to the opposition!
I have played footbal and to a very good standard thanks. You obviously haven't. Conlon is Garbage, yes he defends reasonable well but he's a striker. his hold up play is terrible ball simply bounces off him all the time. when he plays we just lump it up and he can't control it. Almost all his goals have been tap ins or penalty's.

the amount he has missed from inside the 6 yard box is astounding, he is rubbish giving 100% doesn't make you a good play just a rubbish player who tries hard.

I appreciate hios effort and wish the good players we have put in the same amount and if they did Conlon would never start again. but if he starts all the remaining games we have zero chance of promotion. If you think different god help you!

[quote][p][bold]spleen ventor[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lees[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]spleen ventor[/bold] wrote: While agreeing to some degree to Freddy's comments, I don't think the striker positions are of priority. We have three strikers with 31 goals between them, (that equates to 52 over a season, a good return in anyones book) proving that given the chances they will score the goals required. No striker scores all the chances he gets and Tuesday we just didn't create enough chances, this wasn't helped by some puzzling selections from Stuart, (a winger up front, most creative central midfielder on the wing!...etc).What has to happen, ( and Lawn mentions Man U), our manager has to pick his strongest available team with everyone in their right positions, that's all Sir Alex has been doing down the years.[/p][/quote]Can't believe you don't think a striker is a priority. We may have the goals on the board from our strikers but they have dried up totally infact the best striker Thorne hasn't scored since Novemeber. Boulding and especially Conlon aren't up to it clearly. Is Freddy said no striker no promotion and I totally agree. Plus if as stated earler this season we want Back to Back promotions. The strikers we have, have no chance at a higher level so lets build for the next level and get someone in descent. How many open goals does Conlon have to miss before some of you guys realise how poor he is, he wouldn't get a look in in any of the top 3 teams in our league.[/p][/quote]I never said the strikers we have are good enough for the league above and if anyone believes we'll achieve back to back promotions, they are living in cloud cuckoo land. The problem is we don't create enough chances and the contributary factor in recent games has been the manager not picking players in the right positions to enable us to do so. As for your comments on Conlon, your obviously blinkered in your opinions and have never played the game and are just following the calls from the rest of the Boo Barry Boys. Apart from having 9 league goals from only 12 starts, (an excellent strike rate in any league), he works his socks off never giving less than 110%, plus he's our best deffender at set pieces to the opposition![/p][/quote]I have played footbal and to a very good standard thanks. You obviously haven't. Conlon is Garbage, yes he defends reasonable well but he's a striker. his hold up play is terrible ball simply bounces off him all the time. when he plays we just lump it up and he can't control it. Almost all his goals have been tap ins or penalty's. the amount he has missed from inside the 6 yard box is astounding, he is rubbish giving 100% doesn't make you a good play just a rubbish player who tries hard. I appreciate hios effort and wish the good players we have put in the same amount and if they did Conlon would never start again. but if he starts all the remaining games we have zero chance of promotion. If you think different god help you! Lees

10:42am Thu 29 Jan 09

BantamBoy89 says...

When McCall ran out onto the pitch at the start of the game, all 1800 applauded him and chanted his name which echoed around the ground.

We all know our recent performances have not been good enough for a team that is chasing promotion, but sacking a manager half way through the season will not resolve anything.

McCall can change this around, we need to show faith in him and support the team as best we can instead of slagging them off, yes we all know we can play much better and need to start performing soon, but we as fans need to keep on the positive side and support our players and staff. Im sure stepping out onto VP infront of 12,000+ city fans wanting a win rather than wanting smmeones head will keep our players motivated more effectively
When McCall ran out onto the pitch at the start of the game, all 1800 applauded him and chanted his name which echoed around the ground. We all know our recent performances have not been good enough for a team that is chasing promotion, but sacking a manager half way through the season will not resolve anything. McCall can change this around, we need to show faith in him and support the team as best we can instead of slagging them off, yes we all know we can play much better and need to start performing soon, but we as fans need to keep on the positive side and support our players and staff. Im sure stepping out onto VP infront of 12,000+ city fans wanting a win rather than wanting smmeones head will keep our players motivated more effectively BantamBoy89

10:53am Thu 29 Jan 09

Waynus says...

macca1969 wrote:
Glad lawn can see sense i'll just love it when we go up and i hear all you jumped up idiots chanting stuarts name.COME ON STUART YOUR THE RIGHT MAN TURN IT AROUND AND PROVE THEM ALL WRONG.CTID
"i'll just love it when we STAY DOWN and i hear all you jumped up 'idiots' chanting stuart OUT!"

Well not quite. I wouldn't celebrate not getting promotion, but let's get real. This team WILL NOT get promoted this season under McCall. I hope all those that have called others names (such as idiots and numpties) come back to apologise when we have failed in our goal.
[quote][p][bold]macca1969[/bold] wrote: Glad lawn can see sense i'll just love it when we go up and i hear all you jumped up idiots chanting stuarts name.COME ON STUART YOUR THE RIGHT MAN TURN IT AROUND AND PROVE THEM ALL WRONG.CTID[/p][/quote]"i'll just love it when we STAY DOWN and i hear all you jumped up 'idiots' chanting stuart OUT!" Well not quite. I wouldn't celebrate not getting promotion, but let's get real. This team WILL NOT get promoted this season under McCall. I hope all those that have called others names (such as idiots and numpties) come back to apologise when we have failed in our goal. Waynus

11:05am Thu 29 Jan 09

Waynus says...

macca1969 wrote:
Glad lawn can see sense i'll just love it when we go up and i hear all you jumped up idiots chanting stuarts name.COME ON STUART YOUR THE RIGHT MAN TURN IT AROUND AND PROVE THEM ALL WRONG.CTID
I'm not going to get into an argument with you on this matter. You know my views and why and I, yours. Having heard your 'vocal support' towards Stuart on Tuesday night, I am surprised you are so hellbent on defending him. Anyway, that is your prerogative and in the heat of the moment, I can understand why you would have been so frustrated.

Anyway, I would just like to ask you one question. You are so sure that McCall is THE right man for the job, despite performances, team selections and tactics being woefully wrong at times this season. Why are you so sure that Jakes ISN'T the right man to assist him and continue to blame him for our poor performances?

Remember Jakes coaches the team (and the defence has improved significantly over the past couple of months), but Mccall is responsible for picking the team, naming the subs, choosing the tactics etc. Can you remember the 'I will put Thorne on the bench, but have no intention of playing him' scenario?
[quote][p][bold]macca1969[/bold] wrote: Glad lawn can see sense i'll just love it when we go up and i hear all you jumped up idiots chanting stuarts name.COME ON STUART YOUR THE RIGHT MAN TURN IT AROUND AND PROVE THEM ALL WRONG.CTID[/p][/quote]I'm not going to get into an argument with you on this matter. You know my views and why and I, yours. Having heard your 'vocal support' towards Stuart on Tuesday night, I am surprised you are so hellbent on defending him. Anyway, that is your prerogative and in the heat of the moment, I can understand why you would have been so frustrated. Anyway, I would just like to ask you one question. You are so sure that McCall is THE right man for the job, despite performances, team selections and tactics being woefully wrong at times this season. Why are you so sure that Jakes ISN'T the right man to assist him and continue to blame him for our poor performances? Remember Jakes coaches the team (and the defence has improved significantly over the past couple of months), but Mccall is responsible for picking the team, naming the subs, choosing the tactics etc. Can you remember the 'I will put Thorne on the bench, but have no intention of playing him' scenario? Waynus

11:12am Thu 29 Jan 09

Billybantam says...

WE NEED A STRIKER ASAP!!
WE NEED TO MAKE THIS SEASON COUNT
WE NEED A STRIKER ASAP!! WE NEED TO MAKE THIS SEASON COUNT Billybantam

11:14am Thu 29 Jan 09

Waynus says...

Craig wrote:
The startling comment to me amid all this is that Lawn still feels we need to find the right mix for the team to perform! What the hell have we been doing all season? The mix should already be there and barring injuries, we should have a settled consistent team, which we might have if the midfield and striker combinations were not changed from one game to the next!
Well said Craig. That was my first reaction when I read the article as well. The reason we don't have a settled team has nothing to do with injuries. Just because less talented sides put out teams, at VP, to prevent us playing (and generally succeed), McCall has started doing the same.

His selection on Tuesday night was embarrassing. Furman was one of the best players on the park on Saturday, let dropped for the clearly unfit Bully. Thorne was getting into some decent scoring positions in that game and although he missed them, was clearly looking like the Thorne of old. What happened, he got dropped to the bench for Conlon.

Even when things weren't going right, he put Daley up front instead of Thorne (or Boulding). Why?? It clearly hadn't worked by having Jones in that role, so why would Daley fair any better?

We are now 6 months into the season and we have less idea now than we did at the start. This is pure and simply down to McCall's tactics and selections. How can anyone defend that?
[quote][p][bold]Craig[/bold] wrote: The startling comment to me amid all this is that Lawn still feels we need to find the right mix for the team to perform! What the hell have we been doing all season? The mix should already be there and barring injuries, we should have a settled consistent team, which we might have if the midfield and striker combinations were not changed from one game to the next![/p][/quote]Well said Craig. That was my first reaction when I read the article as well. The reason we don't have a settled team has nothing to do with injuries. Just because less talented sides put out teams, at VP, to prevent us playing (and generally succeed), McCall has started doing the same. His selection on Tuesday night was embarrassing. Furman was one of the best players on the park on Saturday, let dropped for the clearly unfit Bully. Thorne was getting into some decent scoring positions in that game and although he missed them, was clearly looking like the Thorne of old. What happened, he got dropped to the bench for Conlon. Even when things weren't going right, he put Daley up front instead of Thorne (or Boulding). Why?? It clearly hadn't worked by having Jones in that role, so why would Daley fair any better? We are now 6 months into the season and we have less idea now than we did at the start. This is pure and simply down to McCall's tactics and selections. How can anyone defend that? Waynus

11:18am Thu 29 Jan 09

tyker says...

corn:an excellent post and I agree with much of what you say. However we are playing bottom tier soccer and to get the style you referred to and I quote "The modern game requires that there are at least six players in any zone where the ball is, to offer the player in possession the maximum options" you have to have players with the physical ability to undertake this basic function and to take it from there.

Once you have six or seven players playing a pass and move when in possession and a harrying game when not the game becomes relatively simple. Take this further with players who are astute and can see the whole picture the ball can then be moved at speed with inter connecting passes etc.

Once the players have physical ability allied to awareness the results will flow.

A failing physical ability dims the ability to mentally see the game and play it with ease.

We are never going to achieve this at this level with journeymen pros who invariably have to revert to kick hard and wish hard methods.

That said responsibility for improving fitness levels and skill levels is the domain of..................
.......!

It has been my long held opinion that you achieve nowt with journeymen pros stuck in their ways and with no ability to improve their performance becasue of rapidly failing fitness levels.

Like an old car:it may be a 200 BHP car and be capable of producing that when new but give it a few years and a few miles on the clock the maximun it can achieve, no matter how much servicing and care it is given, only produce a maximum of 150BHP.

When a manager brings in such players he is not going to get anywhere near that skill and fitness level which is required to dominate opponents for 90 mins each and every game.
corn:an excellent post and I agree with much of what you say. However we are playing bottom tier soccer and to get the style you referred to and I quote "The modern game requires that there are at least six players in any zone where the ball is, to offer the player in possession the maximum options" you have to have players with the physical ability to undertake this basic function and to take it from there. Once you have six or seven players playing a pass and move when in possession and a harrying game when not the game becomes relatively simple. Take this further with players who are astute and can see the whole picture the ball can then be moved at speed with inter connecting passes etc. Once the players have physical ability allied to awareness the results will flow. A failing physical ability dims the ability to mentally see the game and play it with ease. We are never going to achieve this at this level with journeymen pros who invariably have to revert to kick hard and wish hard methods. That said responsibility for improving fitness levels and skill levels is the domain of.................. .......! It has been my long held opinion that you achieve nowt with journeymen pros stuck in their ways and with no ability to improve their performance becasue of rapidly failing fitness levels. Like an old car:it may be a 200 BHP car and be capable of producing that when new but give it a few years and a few miles on the clock the maximun it can achieve, no matter how much servicing and care it is given, only produce a maximum of 150BHP. When a manager brings in such players he is not going to get anywhere near that skill and fitness level which is required to dominate opponents for 90 mins each and every game. tyker

11:31am Thu 29 Jan 09

Waynus says...

BantamBoy89 wrote:
When McCall ran out onto the pitch at the start of the game, all 1800 applauded him and chanted his name which echoed around the ground. We all know our recent performances have not been good enough for a team that is chasing promotion, but sacking a manager half way through the season will not resolve anything. McCall can change this around, we need to show faith in him and support the team as best we can instead of slagging them off, yes we all know we can play much better and need to start performing soon, but we as fans need to keep on the positive side and support our players and staff. Im sure stepping out onto VP infront of 12,000+ city fans wanting a win rather than wanting smmeones head will keep our players motivated more effectively
As you refer to in your post, nobody was chanting for Stuart to be sacked. Yes, we may post comments on here that we want him out and yes, they may be our true feelings, but whilst we are supporting our team, we SUPPORT our team.

If I was in charge at City, I would be replacing him as I simply don't rate the guy as a manager. Does he not give team-talks before the game, because we nearly always start slowly? They only wake up when we concede or when McCall gives one of his 'hairdryer' teamtalks at half time. What about motivating them BEFORE the game? Perhaps then, we may be able to play for a whole 90 minutes.

However, although I would replace in today if given the chance, whilst he is in charge, I will continue to show my support for him during games, as will most fans on here. We don't want failure. We all just want success. Sadly, that won't come with McCall in charge.

Finally, as for sacking a manager half way through a season doesn't work! Didn't Fulham stay up last season by doing exactly that? Haven't Blackburn and Tottenham started to show promising signs since replacing their managers? Even Leeds and Town have improved of late with their new managers. It doesn't always happen, but it just proves it can work.

We have good players at this football club and they are under-achieving. That is down to the manager and his tactics. If any decent manager was in charge, he would have them working together as a team and we would be producing the goods.
[quote][p][bold]BantamBoy89[/bold] wrote: When McCall ran out onto the pitch at the start of the game, all 1800 applauded him and chanted his name which echoed around the ground. We all know our recent performances have not been good enough for a team that is chasing promotion, but sacking a manager half way through the season will not resolve anything. McCall can change this around, we need to show faith in him and support the team as best we can instead of slagging them off, yes we all know we can play much better and need to start performing soon, but we as fans need to keep on the positive side and support our players and staff. Im sure stepping out onto VP infront of 12,000+ city fans wanting a win rather than wanting smmeones head will keep our players motivated more effectively[/p][/quote]As you refer to in your post, nobody was chanting for Stuart to be sacked. Yes, we may post comments on here that we want him out and yes, they may be our true feelings, but whilst we are supporting our team, we SUPPORT our team. If I was in charge at City, I would be replacing him as I simply don't rate the guy as a manager. Does he not give team-talks before the game, because we nearly always start slowly? They only wake up when we concede or when McCall gives one of his 'hairdryer' teamtalks at half time. What about motivating them BEFORE the game? Perhaps then, we may be able to play for a whole 90 minutes. However, although I would replace in today if given the chance, whilst he is in charge, I will continue to show my support for him during games, as will most fans on here. We don't want failure. We all just want success. Sadly, that won't come with McCall in charge. Finally, as for sacking a manager half way through a season doesn't work! Didn't Fulham stay up last season by doing exactly that? Haven't Blackburn and Tottenham started to show promising signs since replacing their managers? Even Leeds and Town have improved of late with their new managers. It doesn't always happen, but it just proves it can work. We have good players at this football club and they are under-achieving. That is down to the manager and his tactics. If any decent manager was in charge, he would have them working together as a team and we would be producing the goods. Waynus

11:40am Thu 29 Jan 09

dannbradfc says...

Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:
I am still baffled by the amountof calls for a new striker, we are in the top 5 in the division for goals for and have conceded more than a goal per game. The idea in football is to score more than you concede, we are scoring enough, we aren't keeping em out. The three main strikers we do have have hit double figures so they do know how to score, the problem lies in stopping teams before they hit our back line.
understand your point however when the team stopped conceding the result was draw after draw i.e. no wins, no 3 points. You have to score to win.
[quote][p][bold]Prisoner Cell Block A[/bold] wrote: I am still baffled by the amountof calls for a new striker, we are in the top 5 in the division for goals for and have conceded more than a goal per game. The idea in football is to score more than you concede, we are scoring enough, we aren't keeping em out. The three main strikers we do have have hit double figures so they do know how to score, the problem lies in stopping teams before they hit our back line. [/p][/quote]understand your point however when the team stopped conceding the result was draw after draw i.e. no wins, no 3 points. You have to score to win. dannbradfc

11:47am Thu 29 Jan 09

dannbradfc says...

spleen ventor wrote:
Lees wrote:
spleen ventor wrote: While agreeing to some degree to Freddy's comments, I don't think the striker positions are of priority. We have three strikers with 31 goals between them, (that equates to 52 over a season, a good return in anyones book) proving that given the chances they will score the goals required. No striker scores all the chances he gets and Tuesday we just didn't create enough chances, this wasn't helped by some puzzling selections from Stuart, (a winger up front, most creative central midfielder on the wing!...etc).What has to happen, ( and Lawn mentions Man U), our manager has to pick his strongest available team with everyone in their right positions, that's all Sir Alex has been doing down the years.
Can't believe you don't think a striker is a priority. We may have the goals on the board from our strikers but they have dried up totally infact the best striker Thorne hasn't scored since Novemeber. Boulding and especially Conlon aren't up to it clearly. Is Freddy said no striker no promotion and I totally agree. Plus if as stated earler this season we want Back to Back promotions. The strikers we have, have no chance at a higher level so lets build for the next level and get someone in descent. How many open goals does Conlon have to miss before some of you guys realise how poor he is, he wouldn't get a look in in any of the top 3 teams in our league.
I never said the strikers we have are good enough for the league above and if anyone believes we'll achieve back to back promotions, they are living in cloud cuckoo land. The problem is we don't create enough chances and the contributary factor in recent games has been the manager not picking players in the right positions to enable us to do so. As for your comments on Conlon, your obviously blinkered in your opinions and have never played the game and are just following the calls from the rest of the Boo Barry Boys. Apart from having 9 league goals from only 12 starts, (an excellent strike rate in any league), he works his socks off never giving less than 110%, plus he's our best deffender at set pieces to the opposition!
How many Baz's goals are from open play?? I remember a mis-kick shinner that crept over, 2 decent headers (countless missed), and a tap in on the goal line (yes you have to be there). Cant remember him beating a man and smacking it in, scoring from even the edge of the box never mind out of it (he was unlucky though with probably the greatest shot of his career that hit the post). I've argued before that stats can be used to prove anything and hide a multitude of sins (just ask any politician) but the reality is there for all to see for themselves.
[quote][p][bold]spleen ventor[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lees[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]spleen ventor[/bold] wrote: While agreeing to some degree to Freddy's comments, I don't think the striker positions are of priority. We have three strikers with 31 goals between them, (that equates to 52 over a season, a good return in anyones book) proving that given the chances they will score the goals required. No striker scores all the chances he gets and Tuesday we just didn't create enough chances, this wasn't helped by some puzzling selections from Stuart, (a winger up front, most creative central midfielder on the wing!...etc).What has to happen, ( and Lawn mentions Man U), our manager has to pick his strongest available team with everyone in their right positions, that's all Sir Alex has been doing down the years.[/p][/quote]Can't believe you don't think a striker is a priority. We may have the goals on the board from our strikers but they have dried up totally infact the best striker Thorne hasn't scored since Novemeber. Boulding and especially Conlon aren't up to it clearly. Is Freddy said no striker no promotion and I totally agree. Plus if as stated earler this season we want Back to Back promotions. The strikers we have, have no chance at a higher level so lets build for the next level and get someone in descent. How many open goals does Conlon have to miss before some of you guys realise how poor he is, he wouldn't get a look in in any of the top 3 teams in our league.[/p][/quote]I never said the strikers we have are good enough for the league above and if anyone believes we'll achieve back to back promotions, they are living in cloud cuckoo land. The problem is we don't create enough chances and the contributary factor in recent games has been the manager not picking players in the right positions to enable us to do so. As for your comments on Conlon, your obviously blinkered in your opinions and have never played the game and are just following the calls from the rest of the Boo Barry Boys. Apart from having 9 league goals from only 12 starts, (an excellent strike rate in any league), he works his socks off never giving less than 110%, plus he's our best deffender at set pieces to the opposition![/p][/quote]How many Baz's goals are from open play?? I remember a mis-kick shinner that crept over, 2 decent headers (countless missed), and a tap in on the goal line (yes you have to be there). Cant remember him beating a man and smacking it in, scoring from even the edge of the box never mind out of it (he was unlucky though with probably the greatest shot of his career that hit the post). I've argued before that stats can be used to prove anything and hide a multitude of sins (just ask any politician) but the reality is there for all to see for themselves. dannbradfc

12:01pm Thu 29 Jan 09

corm says...

tyker wrote:
corn:an excellent post and I agree with much of what you say. However we are playing bottom tier soccer and to get the style you referred to and I quote Agreed, Tyker. Another dimension of team preparation that I omitted. I do find it strange that in watching several cup ties this season, that some non-league clubs have developed both a)the physical attributes to at least aspire to a higher level of performance and b) the recognition of advanced patterns of play. Certainly several League 2 teams are also capable of this, e.g. Stockport, Rochdale and MK Dons last season. Your car analogy is illuminating, but we do have younger players who have demonstrated physical fitness and a fast learning curve, O'Brien, Law and Furman being the best examples. Sadly, too many of the current squad match your observations about wear and tear and this also has an impact on the human aspect of commitment too.
My security word was last-wish; pretty apt I thought with an on form Grimsby and gritty Darlo to face in the next two games!!
[quote][p][bold]tyker[/bold] wrote: corn:an excellent post and I agree with much of what you say. However we are playing bottom tier soccer and to get the style you referred to and I quote Agreed, Tyker. Another dimension of team preparation that I omitted. I do find it strange that in watching several cup ties this season, that some non-league clubs have developed both a)the physical attributes to at least aspire to a higher level of performance and b) the recognition of advanced patterns of play. Certainly several League 2 teams are also capable of this, e.g. Stockport, Rochdale and MK Dons last season. Your car analogy is illuminating, but we do have younger players who have demonstrated physical fitness and a fast learning curve, O'Brien, Law and Furman being the best examples. Sadly, too many of the current squad match your observations about wear and tear and this also has an impact on the human aspect of commitment too. My security word was last-wish; pretty apt I thought with an on form Grimsby and gritty Darlo to face in the next two games!! corm

12:08pm Thu 29 Jan 09

macca1310 says...

dannbradfc wrote:
spleen ventor wrote:
Lees wrote:
spleen ventor wrote: While agreeing to some degree to Freddy's comments, I don't think the striker positions are of priority. We have three strikers with 31 goals between them, (that equates to 52 over a season, a good return in anyones book) proving that given the chances they will score the goals required. No striker scores all the chances he gets and Tuesday we just didn't create enough chances, this wasn't helped by some puzzling selections from Stuart, (a winger up front, most creative central midfielder on the wing!...etc).What has to happen, ( and Lawn mentions Man U), our manager has to pick his strongest available team with everyone in their right positions, that's all Sir Alex has been doing down the years.
Can't believe you don't think a striker is a priority. We may have the goals on the board from our strikers but they have dried up totally infact the best striker Thorne hasn't scored since Novemeber. Boulding and especially Conlon aren't up to it clearly. Is Freddy said no striker no promotion and I totally agree. Plus if as stated earler this season we want Back to Back promotions. The strikers we have, have no chance at a higher level so lets build for the next level and get someone in descent. How many open goals does Conlon have to miss before some of you guys realise how poor he is, he wouldn't get a look in in any of the top 3 teams in our league.
I never said the strikers we have are good enough for the league above and if anyone believes we'll achieve back to back promotions, they are living in cloud cuckoo land. The problem is we don't create enough chances and the contributary factor in recent games has been the manager not picking players in the right positions to enable us to do so. As for your comments on Conlon, your obviously blinkered in your opinions and have never played the game and are just following the calls from the rest of the Boo Barry Boys. Apart from having 9 league goals from only 12 starts, (an excellent strike rate in any league), he works his socks off never giving less than 110%, plus he's our best deffender at set pieces to the opposition!
How many Baz's goals are from open play?? I remember a mis-kick shinner that crept over, 2 decent headers (countless missed), and a tap in on the goal line (yes you have to be there). Cant remember him beating a man and smacking it in, scoring from even the edge of the box never mind out of it (he was unlucky though with probably the greatest shot of his career that hit the post). I've argued before that stats can be used to prove anything and hide a multitude of sins (just ask any politician) but the reality is there for all to see for themselves.
Can you remember Gary Lineker beating his opponents and whacking it in? Now of course I'm not comparing the 2 but there are many decent strikers who don't score spectacular goals.
[quote][p][bold]dannbradfc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]spleen ventor[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lees[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]spleen ventor[/bold] wrote: While agreeing to some degree to Freddy's comments, I don't think the striker positions are of priority. We have three strikers with 31 goals between them, (that equates to 52 over a season, a good return in anyones book) proving that given the chances they will score the goals required. No striker scores all the chances he gets and Tuesday we just didn't create enough chances, this wasn't helped by some puzzling selections from Stuart, (a winger up front, most creative central midfielder on the wing!...etc).What has to happen, ( and Lawn mentions Man U), our manager has to pick his strongest available team with everyone in their right positions, that's all Sir Alex has been doing down the years.[/p][/quote]Can't believe you don't think a striker is a priority. We may have the goals on the board from our strikers but they have dried up totally infact the best striker Thorne hasn't scored since Novemeber. Boulding and especially Conlon aren't up to it clearly. Is Freddy said no striker no promotion and I totally agree. Plus if as stated earler this season we want Back to Back promotions. The strikers we have, have no chance at a higher level so lets build for the next level and get someone in descent. How many open goals does Conlon have to miss before some of you guys realise how poor he is, he wouldn't get a look in in any of the top 3 teams in our league.[/p][/quote]I never said the strikers we have are good enough for the league above and if anyone believes we'll achieve back to back promotions, they are living in cloud cuckoo land. The problem is we don't create enough chances and the contributary factor in recent games has been the manager not picking players in the right positions to enable us to do so. As for your comments on Conlon, your obviously blinkered in your opinions and have never played the game and are just following the calls from the rest of the Boo Barry Boys. Apart from having 9 league goals from only 12 starts, (an excellent strike rate in any league), he works his socks off never giving less than 110%, plus he's our best deffender at set pieces to the opposition![/p][/quote]How many Baz's goals are from open play?? I remember a mis-kick shinner that crept over, 2 decent headers (countless missed), and a tap in on the goal line (yes you have to be there). Cant remember him beating a man and smacking it in, scoring from even the edge of the box never mind out of it (he was unlucky though with probably the greatest shot of his career that hit the post). I've argued before that stats can be used to prove anything and hide a multitude of sins (just ask any politician) but the reality is there for all to see for themselves.[/p][/quote]Can you remember Gary Lineker beating his opponents and whacking it in? Now of course I'm not comparing the 2 but there are many decent strikers who don't score spectacular goals. macca1310

12:09pm Thu 29 Jan 09

Waynus says...

dannbradfc wrote:
Prisoner Cell Block A wrote: I am still baffled by the amountof calls for a new striker, we are in the top 5 in the division for goals for and have conceded more than a goal per game. The idea in football is to score more than you concede, we are scoring enough, we aren't keeping em out. The three main strikers we do have have hit double figures so they do know how to score, the problem lies in stopping teams before they hit our back line.
understand your point however when the team stopped conceding the result was draw after draw i.e. no wins, no 3 points. You have to score to win.
Agreed. Furthermore, as some above keep wanting to compare us to others, can I just point out that, yes, it is lovely having 3 strikers with 10+ goals, but how many decent sides have FOUR strikers of note in their squads?

Let's go through our players.

Bazza - Tries hard and will score the odd goal from open play. However, he doesn't attack balls into the box as well as he does when defending.

Thorne - For the second season running, his goal count has been significantly impacted as a result of injury. A fit Thorne would score with half chances, but an unfit Thorne misses sitters (refer to Tyker's comments about a fit body resulting in an active mind).

Boulding - Probably our best all-round striker. He can score and creates chances for others, but he has to have a decent partner alongside him AND the service. When he doesn't get the service, he goes looking for the ball and loses his effectiveness, usually resulting in him being marked out of the game.

O'Grady - Simply not good enough. I have seen him a couple of times (against us) and a couple of team when not playing against us. Yes, he scored against us, but to be fair, he didn't do much else and in reality is a poor player. He didn't even have a good record for their reserves, unlike Baz who scores in ours.

R.Boulding - Clearly McCall doesn't rate him and, as other clubs haven't taken him on loan during the window, neither does anyone else.

Osbourne - Only seen him twice and looked like a fish out of water. A lot of work needed to develop him into a half decent player. Again, why has nobody taken him on loan?

Jones - Has played up front previously and scored goals. However, for the last few seasons he has played on the wings and this is clearly his strength.

Daley - Again, he has played up front, but does more damage when playing on the wing. His shooting on the run is poor and doesn't have the awareness of others to play as a striker.

CLEARLY, WE DO NEED ANOTHER STRIKER (OF ABILITY) BEFORE THE WINDOW CLOSES!
[quote][p][bold]dannbradfc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Prisoner Cell Block A[/bold] wrote: I am still baffled by the amountof calls for a new striker, we are in the top 5 in the division for goals for and have conceded more than a goal per game. The idea in football is to score more than you concede, we are scoring enough, we aren't keeping em out. The three main strikers we do have have hit double figures so they do know how to score, the problem lies in stopping teams before they hit our back line. [/p][/quote]understand your point however when the team stopped conceding the result was draw after draw i.e. no wins, no 3 points. You have to score to win.[/p][/quote]Agreed. Furthermore, as some above keep wanting to compare us to others, can I just point out that, yes, it is lovely having 3 strikers with 10+ goals, but how many decent sides have FOUR strikers of note in their squads? Let's go through our players. Bazza - Tries hard and will score the odd goal from open play. However, he doesn't attack balls into the box as well as he does when defending. Thorne - For the second season running, his goal count has been significantly impacted as a result of injury. A fit Thorne would score with half chances, but an unfit Thorne misses sitters (refer to Tyker's comments about a fit body resulting in an active mind). Boulding - Probably our best all-round striker. He can score and creates chances for others, but he has to have a decent partner alongside him AND the service. When he doesn't get the service, he goes looking for the ball and loses his effectiveness, usually resulting in him being marked out of the game. O'Grady - Simply not good enough. I have seen him a couple of times (against us) and a couple of team when not playing against us. Yes, he scored against us, but to be fair, he didn't do much else and in reality is a poor player. He didn't even have a good record for their reserves, unlike Baz who scores in ours. R.Boulding - Clearly McCall doesn't rate him and, as other clubs haven't taken him on loan during the window, neither does anyone else. Osbourne - Only seen him twice and looked like a fish out of water. A lot of work needed to develop him into a half decent player. Again, why has nobody taken him on loan? Jones - Has played up front previously and scored goals. However, for the last few seasons he has played on the wings and this is clearly his strength. Daley - Again, he has played up front, but does more damage when playing on the wing. His shooting on the run is poor and doesn't have the awareness of others to play as a striker. CLEARLY, WE DO NEED ANOTHER STRIKER (OF ABILITY) BEFORE THE WINDOW CLOSES! Waynus

12:12pm Thu 29 Jan 09

Lees says...

dannbradfc wrote:
spleen ventor wrote:
Lees wrote:
spleen ventor wrote: While agreeing to some degree to Freddy's comments, I don't think the striker positions are of priority. We have three strikers with 31 goals between them, (that equates to 52 over a season, a good return in anyones book) proving that given the chances they will score the goals required. No striker scores all the chances he gets and Tuesday we just didn't create enough chances, this wasn't helped by some puzzling selections from Stuart, (a winger up front, most creative central midfielder on the wing!...etc).What has to happen, ( and Lawn mentions Man U), our manager has to pick his strongest available team with everyone in their right positions, that's all Sir Alex has been doing down the years.
Can't believe you don't think a striker is a priority. We may have the goals on the board from our strikers but they have dried up totally infact the best striker Thorne hasn't scored since Novemeber. Boulding and especially Conlon aren't up to it clearly. Is Freddy said no striker no promotion and I totally agree. Plus if as stated earler this season we want Back to Back promotions. The strikers we have, have no chance at a higher level so lets build for the next level and get someone in descent. How many open goals does Conlon have to miss before some of you guys realise how poor he is, he wouldn't get a look in in any of the top 3 teams in our league.
I never said the strikers we have are good enough for the league above and if anyone believes we'll achieve back to back promotions, they are living in cloud cuckoo land. The problem is we don't create enough chances and the contributary factor in recent games has been the manager not picking players in the right positions to enable us to do so. As for your comments on Conlon, your obviously blinkered in your opinions and have never played the game and are just following the calls from the rest of the Boo Barry Boys. Apart from having 9 league goals from only 12 starts, (an excellent strike rate in any league), he works his socks off never giving less than 110%, plus he's our best deffender at set pieces to the opposition!
How many Baz's goals are from open play?? I remember a mis-kick shinner that crept over, 2 decent headers (countless missed), and a tap in on the goal line (yes you have to be there). Cant remember him beating a man and smacking it in, scoring from even the edge of the box never mind out of it (he was unlucky though with probably the greatest shot of his career that hit the post). I've argued before that stats can be used to prove anything and hide a multitude of sins (just ask any politician) but the reality is there for all to see for themselves.
Cheers mate, glad someone else can see him for what he is. Extreamly poor!
[quote][p][bold]dannbradfc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]spleen ventor[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lees[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]spleen ventor[/bold] wrote: While agreeing to some degree to Freddy's comments, I don't think the striker positions are of priority. We have three strikers with 31 goals between them, (that equates to 52 over a season, a good return in anyones book) proving that given the chances they will score the goals required. No striker scores all the chances he gets and Tuesday we just didn't create enough chances, this wasn't helped by some puzzling selections from Stuart, (a winger up front, most creative central midfielder on the wing!...etc).What has to happen, ( and Lawn mentions Man U), our manager has to pick his strongest available team with everyone in their right positions, that's all Sir Alex has been doing down the years.[/p][/quote]Can't believe you don't think a striker is a priority. We may have the goals on the board from our strikers but they have dried up totally infact the best striker Thorne hasn't scored since Novemeber. Boulding and especially Conlon aren't up to it clearly. Is Freddy said no striker no promotion and I totally agree. Plus if as stated earler this season we want Back to Back promotions. The strikers we have, have no chance at a higher level so lets build for the next level and get someone in descent. How many open goals does Conlon have to miss before some of you guys realise how poor he is, he wouldn't get a look in in any of the top 3 teams in our league.[/p][/quote]I never said the strikers we have are good enough for the league above and if anyone believes we'll achieve back to back promotions, they are living in cloud cuckoo land. The problem is we don't create enough chances and the contributary factor in recent games has been the manager not picking players in the right positions to enable us to do so. As for your comments on Conlon, your obviously blinkered in your opinions and have never played the game and are just following the calls from the rest of the Boo Barry Boys. Apart from having 9 league goals from only 12 starts, (an excellent strike rate in any league), he works his socks off never giving less than 110%, plus he's our best deffender at set pieces to the opposition![/p][/quote]How many Baz's goals are from open play?? I remember a mis-kick shinner that crept over, 2 decent headers (countless missed), and a tap in on the goal line (yes you have to be there). Cant remember him beating a man and smacking it in, scoring from even the edge of the box never mind out of it (he was unlucky though with probably the greatest shot of his career that hit the post). I've argued before that stats can be used to prove anything and hide a multitude of sins (just ask any politician) but the reality is there for all to see for themselves.[/p][/quote]Cheers mate, glad someone else can see him for what he is. Extreamly poor! Lees

12:23pm Thu 29 Jan 09

Meat Pie says...

Conlon missed another sitter on Tuesday!
But that's OK.............'caus
e "he tries hard"
Muppets.
Conlon missed another sitter on Tuesday! But that's OK.............'caus e "he tries hard" Muppets. Meat Pie

12:27pm Thu 29 Jan 09

Waynus says...

dannbradfc wrote:
spleen ventor wrote:
Lees wrote:
spleen ventor wrote: While agreeing to some degree to Freddy's comments, I don't think the striker positions are of priority. We have three strikers with 31 goals between them, (that equates to 52 over a season, a good return in anyones book) proving that given the chances they will score the goals required. No striker scores all the chances he gets and Tuesday we just didn't create enough chances, this wasn't helped by some puzzling selections from Stuart, (a winger up front, most creative central midfielder on the wing!...etc).What has to happen, ( and Lawn mentions Man U), our manager has to pick his strongest available team with everyone in their right positions, that's all Sir Alex has been doing down the years.
Can't believe you don't think a striker is a priority. We may have the goals on the board from our strikers but they have dried up totally infact the best striker Thorne hasn't scored since Novemeber. Boulding and especially Conlon aren't up to it clearly. Is Freddy said no striker no promotion and I totally agree. Plus if as stated earler this season we want Back to Back promotions. The strikers we have, have no chance at a higher level so lets build for the next level and get someone in descent. How many open goals does Conlon have to miss before some of you guys realise how poor he is, he wouldn't get a look in in any of the top 3 teams in our league.
I never said the strikers we have are good enough for the league above and if anyone believes we'll achieve back to back promotions, they are living in cloud cuckoo land. The problem is we don't create enough chances and the contributary factor in recent games has been the manager not picking players in the right positions to enable us to do so. As for your comments on Conlon, your obviously blinkered in your opinions and have never played the game and are just following the calls from the rest of the Boo Barry Boys. Apart from having 9 league goals from only 12 starts, (an excellent strike rate in any league), he works his socks off never giving less than 110%, plus he's our best deffender at set pieces to the opposition!
How many Baz's goals are from open play?? I remember a mis-kick shinner that crept over, 2 decent headers (countless missed), and a tap in on the goal line (yes you have to be there). Cant remember him beating a man and smacking it in, scoring from even the edge of the box never mind out of it (he was unlucky though with probably the greatest shot of his career that hit the post). I've argued before that stats can be used to prove anything and hide a multitude of sins (just ask any politician) but the reality is there for all to see for themselves.
Proves my point about people only remembering what they want to. I agree Baz isn't the greatest and I wouldn't start with him.

However, can you not remember the goals he scored against Barnet? The first was a header from outside the six yard box (a well worked goal) and the other was a great strike just inside the area after chesting it down, holding off his markers and volleying it home.

He doesn't JUST score tap-ins and penalties, as proved in that game, though I do agree it doesn't happen often enough.
[quote][p][bold]dannbradfc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]spleen ventor[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lees[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]spleen ventor[/bold] wrote: While agreeing to some degree to Freddy's comments, I don't think the striker positions are of priority. We have three strikers with 31 goals between them, (that equates to 52 over a season, a good return in anyones book) proving that given the chances they will score the goals required. No striker scores all the chances he gets and Tuesday we just didn't create enough chances, this wasn't helped by some puzzling selections from Stuart, (a winger up front, most creative central midfielder on the wing!...etc).What has to happen, ( and Lawn mentions Man U), our manager has to pick his strongest available team with everyone in their right positions, that's all Sir Alex has been doing down the years.[/p][/quote]Can't believe you don't think a striker is a priority. We may have the goals on the board from our strikers but they have dried up totally infact the best striker Thorne hasn't scored since Novemeber. Boulding and especially Conlon aren't up to it clearly. Is Freddy said no striker no promotion and I totally agree. Plus if as stated earler this season we want Back to Back promotions. The strikers we have, have no chance at a higher level so lets build for the next level and get someone in descent. How many open goals does Conlon have to miss before some of you guys realise how poor he is, he wouldn't get a look in in any of the top 3 teams in our league.[/p][/quote]I never said the strikers we have are good enough for the league above and if anyone believes we'll achieve back to back promotions, they are living in cloud cuckoo land. The problem is we don't create enough chances and the contributary factor in recent games has been the manager not picking players in the right positions to enable us to do so. As for your comments on Conlon, your obviously blinkered in your opinions and have never played the game and are just following the calls from the rest of the Boo Barry Boys. Apart from having 9 league goals from only 12 starts, (an excellent strike rate in any league), he works his socks off never giving less than 110%, plus he's our best deffender at set pieces to the opposition![/p][/quote]How many Baz's goals are from open play?? I remember a mis-kick shinner that crept over, 2 decent headers (countless missed), and a tap in on the goal line (yes you have to be there). Cant remember him beating a man and smacking it in, scoring from even the edge of the box never mind out of it (he was unlucky though with probably the greatest shot of his career that hit the post). I've argued before that stats can be used to prove anything and hide a multitude of sins (just ask any politician) but the reality is there for all to see for themselves.[/p][/quote]Proves my point about people only remembering what they want to. I agree Baz isn't the greatest and I wouldn't start with him. However, can you not remember the goals he scored against Barnet? The first was a header from outside the six yard box (a well worked goal) and the other was a great strike just inside the area after chesting it down, holding off his markers and volleying it home. He doesn't JUST score tap-ins and penalties, as proved in that game, though I do agree it doesn't happen often enough. Waynus

12:33pm Thu 29 Jan 09

Waynus says...

Meat Pie wrote:
Conlon missed another sitter on Tuesday! But that's OK.............'caus e "he tries hard" Muppets.
Who are you calling 'muppets'? Where have you read that Conlon hasn't missed sitters, but that is okay because he tries hard?

The majority of City fans rate Baz as an impact player. Someone to bring off the bench with 20 or so minutes to go. Yes, he did miss a sitter on Tuesday night, but how many has Jones missed since joining us, what about Thorne's chances over the last couple of months and even Boulding has missed some easy chances. We put Daley up front on Tuesday night, what did he do? He shaped to shoot and kicked his OWN standing leg, in effect, fouling himself with the goal at his mercy.

Why didn't you mention those facts too?
[quote][p][bold]Meat Pie[/bold] wrote: Conlon missed another sitter on Tuesday! But that's OK.............'caus e "he tries hard" Muppets.[/p][/quote]Who are you calling 'muppets'? Where have you read that Conlon hasn't missed sitters, but that is okay because he tries hard? The majority of City fans rate Baz as an impact player. Someone to bring off the bench with 20 or so minutes to go. Yes, he did miss a sitter on Tuesday night, but how many has Jones missed since joining us, what about Thorne's chances over the last couple of months and even Boulding has missed some easy chances. We put Daley up front on Tuesday night, what did he do? He shaped to shoot and kicked his OWN standing leg, in effect, fouling himself with the goal at his mercy. Why didn't you mention those facts too? Waynus

12:49pm Thu 29 Jan 09

Meat Pie says...

The difference between Conlon and the other players you refer to is that he has no or very little chance of producing anything in a match, because is is a poor footballer, the others (and granted they are all accountable for less then satisfactory performances of late) do at least have something in their locker. Conlon is garbage, in my and others opinion.
BTW, just when exactly is Conlon going to make this impact happen that you refer to? And the majority of City fans do not rate Bazza - where have you got that spurious statement from? That's not a fact, it's you spouting drivel again!
This is the 5th time I've asked this question on here (no-one has responded yet - not once, Waynus - not even you who seems to know everything!) but name me a more ineffective striker to wear the City No.9 shirt than Conlon?
Don't say O'Grady 'cause he looks even worse!
The difference between Conlon and the other players you refer to is that he has no or very little chance of producing anything in a match, because is is a poor footballer, the others (and granted they are all accountable for less then satisfactory performances of late) do at least have something in their locker. Conlon is garbage, in my and others opinion. BTW, just when exactly is Conlon going to make this impact happen that you refer to? And the majority of City fans do not rate Bazza - where have you got that spurious statement from? That's not a fact, it's you spouting drivel again! This is the 5th time I've asked this question on here (no-one has responded yet - not once, Waynus - not even you who seems to know everything!) but name me a more ineffective striker to wear the City No.9 shirt than Conlon? Don't say O'Grady 'cause he looks even worse! Meat Pie

12:50pm Thu 29 Jan 09

justinbrett1975 says...

I guess at the end of the Day its the Chairmans money at stake, and if they feel that everything will be OK, then we should maybe go with that, after all its them who will lose money for not getting promoted, and extra ticket sales for becasue the club are a division higher.
I must say though it is good that the chairman comes out and answers the fans.
I guess at the end of the Day its the Chairmans money at stake, and if they feel that everything will be OK, then we should maybe go with that, after all its them who will lose money for not getting promoted, and extra ticket sales for becasue the club are a division higher. I must say though it is good that the chairman comes out and answers the fans. justinbrett1975

1:00pm Thu 29 Jan 09

BCFCBoothy says...

Lancashire Branch wrote:
Stuart just get in that dressing room and remind these players that for most of them it's the last chance that they will get to move up the legue table with a big club and a fantastic support,or will they happy to be playing for Accrington next season,sorry Stanley. Fire the bullets Stuart and see who falls into line and drop those who don't.
I completely agree with this - the attitude of today's fan is very much moulded by the media (the sun/Mirror brigade) that crucify new strikers for going a few games with their new club without scoring or new managers being hounded out after a slow start like Allerdice and Ince!!!
The facts are we have players who have done very well at the beginning of the season, so they haven't suddenly lost ability. Stuart does need to give them a rocket.
I do agree that Stuart does need to get these tactics right and of course I think most of us are in agreement that he needs to settle with the best players in their best positions, but to call for his head is narrow minded.
Stuart is the right man for the job, he is indeed new to management but you can't buy experience, you need to work at that and he is the man who will and will also be learning for many years to come.

I also need to say I think a lot of supporters who call for a new manager need to look at the bigger picture - for a start, who is available at the moment who has vastly more experience than Stuart? You are the same people saying he needs to stop chopping and changing his team so why do you think chopping and changing the management is any better!?!?! I agree perhaps an experienced man behind him to help a bit may be a good idea but nothing more radical than that.

The players need to roll their sleeves up and work for each other and the ultimate goal we ALL want - promotion!!!!

Go on City and Stuart, get on that pitch and change some fickle fans minds!
[quote][p][bold]Lancashire Branch[/bold] wrote: Stuart just get in that dressing room and remind these players that for most of them it's the last chance that they will get to move up the legue table with a big club and a fantastic support,or will they happy to be playing for Accrington next season,sorry Stanley. Fire the bullets Stuart and see who falls into line and drop those who don't.[/p][/quote]I completely agree with this - the attitude of today's fan is very much moulded by the media (the sun/Mirror brigade) that crucify new strikers for going a few games with their new club without scoring or new managers being hounded out after a slow start like Allerdice and Ince!!! The facts are we have players who have done very well at the beginning of the season, so they haven't suddenly lost ability. Stuart does need to give them a rocket. I do agree that Stuart does need to get these tactics right and of course I think most of us are in agreement that he needs to settle with the best players in their best positions, but to call for his head is narrow minded. Stuart is the right man for the job, he is indeed new to management but you can't buy experience, you need to work at that and he is the man who will and will also be learning for many years to come. I also need to say I think a lot of supporters who call for a new manager need to look at the bigger picture - for a start, who is available at the moment who has vastly more experience than Stuart? You are the same people saying he needs to stop chopping and changing his team so why do you think chopping and changing the management is any better!?!?! I agree perhaps an experienced man behind him to help a bit may be a good idea but nothing more radical than that. The players need to roll their sleeves up and work for each other and the ultimate goal we ALL want - promotion!!!! Go on City and Stuart, get on that pitch and change some fickle fans minds! BCFCBoothy

1:03pm Thu 29 Jan 09

BantamBoy89 says...

Waynus wrote:
BantamBoy89 wrote: When McCall ran out onto the pitch at the start of the game, all 1800 applauded him and chanted his name which echoed around the ground. We all know our recent performances have not been good enough for a team that is chasing promotion, but sacking a manager half way through the season will not resolve anything. McCall can change this around, we need to show faith in him and support the team as best we can instead of slagging them off, yes we all know we can play much better and need to start performing soon, but we as fans need to keep on the positive side and support our players and staff. Im sure stepping out onto VP infront of 12,000+ city fans wanting a win rather than wanting smmeones head will keep our players motivated more effectively
As you refer to in your post, nobody was chanting for Stuart to be sacked. Yes, we may post comments on here that we want him out and yes, they may be our true feelings, but whilst we are supporting our team, we SUPPORT our team. If I was in charge at City, I would be replacing him as I simply don't rate the guy as a manager. Does he not give team-talks before the game, because we nearly always start slowly? They only wake up when we concede or when McCall gives one of his 'hairdryer' teamtalks at half time. What about motivating them BEFORE the game? Perhaps then, we may be able to play for a whole 90 minutes. However, although I would replace in today if given the chance, whilst he is in charge, I will continue to show my support for him during games, as will most fans on here. We don't want failure. We all just want success. Sadly, that won't come with McCall in charge. Finally, as for sacking a manager half way through a season doesn't work! Didn't Fulham stay up last season by doing exactly that? Haven't Blackburn and Tottenham started to show promising signs since replacing their managers? Even Leeds and Town have improved of late with their new managers. It doesn't always happen, but it just proves it can work. We have good players at this football club and they are under-achieving. That is down to the manager and his tactics. If any decent manager was in charge, he would have them working together as a team and we would be producing the goods.
Yes many people do want McCall out, and with the recent performances on the pitch it is understandable, but this is the first time McCall has publically shown his diappointment to a certain level, and hopefully he will now be changing his ways and getting ideas on what he could do differently to get more of an impact out of certain players.

Dont forget he has had many first team players injured that are now finally returning to full fitness, and although this does not fully justify the recent lack in performances, hopefully we will see some change in the team to how we were at the start of the season

Yes this may take a couple weeks to take proper effect, but i feel we should give him afew more games to see what he is capable of changing.

Yes it is also risking our promotion chances but i personally have faith in McCall.

After seeing 1800+ fans away at Bury i just hope he realises how much faith we all put in him to take us up the league and to win all important matches.
[quote][p][bold]Waynus[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BantamBoy89[/bold] wrote: When McCall ran out onto the pitch at the start of the game, all 1800 applauded him and chanted his name which echoed around the ground. We all know our recent performances have not been good enough for a team that is chasing promotion, but sacking a manager half way through the season will not resolve anything. McCall can change this around, we need to show faith in him and support the team as best we can instead of slagging them off, yes we all know we can play much better and need to start performing soon, but we as fans need to keep on the positive side and support our players and staff. Im sure stepping out onto VP infront of 12,000+ city fans wanting a win rather than wanting smmeones head will keep our players motivated more effectively[/p][/quote]As you refer to in your post, nobody was chanting for Stuart to be sacked. Yes, we may post comments on here that we want him out and yes, they may be our true feelings, but whilst we are supporting our team, we SUPPORT our team. If I was in charge at City, I would be replacing him as I simply don't rate the guy as a manager. Does he not give team-talks before the game, because we nearly always start slowly? They only wake up when we concede or when McCall gives one of his 'hairdryer' teamtalks at half time. What about motivating them BEFORE the game? Perhaps then, we may be able to play for a whole 90 minutes. However, although I would replace in today if given the chance, whilst he is in charge, I will continue to show my support for him during games, as will most fans on here. We don't want failure. We all just want success. Sadly, that won't come with McCall in charge. Finally, as for sacking a manager half way through a season doesn't work! Didn't Fulham stay up last season by doing exactly that? Haven't Blackburn and Tottenham started to show promising signs since replacing their managers? Even Leeds and Town have improved of late with their new managers. It doesn't always happen, but it just proves it can work. We have good players at this football club and they are under-achieving. That is down to the manager and his tactics. If any decent manager was in charge, he would have them working together as a team and we would be producing the goods.[/p][/quote]Yes many people do want McCall out, and with the recent performances on the pitch it is understandable, but this is the first time McCall has publically shown his diappointment to a certain level, and hopefully he will now be changing his ways and getting ideas on what he could do differently to get more of an impact out of certain players. Dont forget he has had many first team players injured that are now finally returning to full fitness, and although this does not fully justify the recent lack in performances, hopefully we will see some change in the team to how we were at the start of the season Yes this may take a couple weeks to take proper effect, but i feel we should give him afew more games to see what he is capable of changing. Yes it is also risking our promotion chances but i personally have faith in McCall. After seeing 1800+ fans away at Bury i just hope he realises how much faith we all put in him to take us up the league and to win all important matches. BantamBoy89

1:09pm Thu 29 Jan 09

Victor Clayton says...

Meat Pie wrote:
The difference between Conlon and the other players you refer to is that he has no or very little chance of producing anything in a match, because is is a poor footballer, the others (and granted they are all accountable for less then satisfactory performances of late) do at least have something in their locker. Conlon is garbage, in my and others opinion. BTW, just when exactly is Conlon going to make this impact happen that you refer to? And the majority of City fans do not rate Bazza - where have you got that spurious statement from? That's not a fact, it's you spouting drivel again! This is the 5th time I've asked this question on here (no-one has responded yet - not once, Waynus - not even you who seems to know everything!) but name me a more ineffective striker to wear the City No.9 shirt than Conlon? Don't say O'Grady 'cause he looks even worse!
if i were a manager and i had to choose between a player like Conlon, who is poor but gives 100% and one like Daley, who can be brilliant occasionally but for most part can not be bothered. I would choose Conlon. I think it is much better to have 11 players on the pitch who are committed and will work for each other than players who spit their dummies when everything is not perfert. I know when i play if my team mates are busting a gut so will i. but its hard to do for 90 minutes when not everyone is pulling their weight!
[quote][p][bold]Meat Pie[/bold] wrote: The difference between Conlon and the other players you refer to is that he has no or very little chance of producing anything in a match, because is is a poor footballer, the others (and granted they are all accountable for less then satisfactory performances of late) do at least have something in their locker. Conlon is garbage, in my and others opinion. BTW, just when exactly is Conlon going to make this impact happen that you refer to? And the majority of City fans do not rate Bazza - where have you got that spurious statement from? That's not a fact, it's you spouting drivel again! This is the 5th time I've asked this question on here (no-one has responded yet - not once, Waynus - not even you who seems to know everything!) but name me a more ineffective striker to wear the City No.9 shirt than Conlon? Don't say O'Grady 'cause he looks even worse![/p][/quote]if i were a manager and i had to choose between a player like Conlon, who is poor but gives 100% and one like Daley, who can be brilliant occasionally but for most part can not be bothered. I would choose Conlon. I think it is much better to have 11 players on the pitch who are committed and will work for each other than players who spit their dummies when everything is not perfert. I know when i play if my team mates are busting a gut so will i. but its hard to do for 90 minutes when not everyone is pulling their weight! Victor Clayton

1:33pm Thu 29 Jan 09

freespeech says...

Lawn ain't worried then? I would be if it was my money I had invested. I hope he is kicking some butts behind closed doors. I personally was expecting more from SM. He seems to be stuck? If it ain't working, change it. It you ain't working you'll be changed.
Lawn ain't worried then? I would be if it was my money I had invested. I hope he is kicking some butts behind closed doors. I personally was expecting more from SM. He seems to be stuck? If it ain't working, change it. It you ain't working you'll be changed. freespeech

1:33pm Thu 29 Jan 09

Meat Pie says...

Regarding motivation, which is mentioned on here a number of times; it is generally accepted within training and management circles that you cannot motivate anyone else - this has to come from the individual. Read into that what you will though it is the players need to take a long hard look at themselves.
Regarding motivation, which is mentioned on here a number of times; it is generally accepted within training and management circles that you cannot motivate anyone else - this has to come from the individual. Read into that what you will though it is the players need to take a long hard look at themselves. Meat Pie

1:50pm Thu 29 Jan 09

tyker says...

quote "this has to come from the individual. Read into that what you will though it is the players need to take a long hard look at themselves"

I think that many have done that and don't like what they see: end of season coming up, if we get promotion we might be out as the club will want better players, so just through teh motions, get paid, bo promotion and we may just get another contract on not too dissimilar wages!!

additionally with the transgfer window closing we know our places are safe from new incumbents!!

maybe cynical but these guys have largely been around the block a few timesand know how things work.

security word:mark-know

!! what does he know!
quote "this has to come from the individual. Read into that what you will though it is the players need to take a long hard look at themselves" I think that many have done that and don't like what they see: end of season coming up, if we get promotion we might be out as the club will want better players, so just through teh motions, get paid, bo promotion and we may just get another contract on not too dissimilar wages!! additionally with the transgfer window closing we know our places are safe from new incumbents!! maybe cynical but these guys have largely been around the block a few timesand know how things work. security word:mark-know !! what does he know! tyker

2:07pm Thu 29 Jan 09

Carl Smith says...

i would kick those players up the backside by listing them on the transfer list, we all know who the lazy players are. McCall should be put on the carpet for not motivating the team. Stop messing about with the team selection and play everyone in the right position would help.
i would kick those players up the backside by listing them on the transfer list, we all know who the lazy players are. McCall should be put on the carpet for not motivating the team. Stop messing about with the team selection and play everyone in the right position would help. Carl Smith

2:19pm Thu 29 Jan 09

Waynus says...

Meat Pie wrote:
The difference between Conlon and the other players you refer to is that he has no or very little chance of producing anything in a match, because is is a poor footballer, the others (and granted they are all accountable for less then satisfactory performances of late) do at least have something in their locker. Conlon is garbage, in my and others opinion. BTW, just when exactly is Conlon going to make this impact happen that you refer to? And the majority of City fans do not rate Bazza - where have you got that spurious statement from? That's not a fact, it's you spouting drivel again! This is the 5th time I've asked this question on here (no-one has responded yet - not once, Waynus - not even you who seems to know everything!) but name me a more ineffective striker to wear the City No.9 shirt than Conlon? Don't say O'Grady 'cause he looks even worse!
Meat-pie, why get so aggressive again? When I referred to "The majority of City fans rate Baz as an impact player", I was referring to these boards. If you read them, you will find quite a few don't rate him at all, but most would have him on the bench and bring him on, a la Accrington away.

You say you are still waiting for him to be an impact player. I refer you again to the above match, the Bury game at home, his performance against Barnet at home as examples, just off the top of my head.

What is the point you are making? Are you agreeing with the view that McCall isn't doing that bad a job and should be given time to turn things around OR are you saying he should be ousted?

Before you answer that question, just think about the criticism you are giving McCall every day that you slag off Bazza, a player McCall clearly rates, even if you don't.

You say you have asked the question five times. Please accept my apologies, this is the first time I have noticed it, but in response, my answer would be;

Eddie Johnson
Dave Hibbert
Andy Cooke
Neil Tolson
Michael Symes
Mark Leonard AND LAST BUT NOT LEAST,
Juanjo (as I think you may have alluded to recently yourself)!!
[quote][p][bold]Meat Pie[/bold] wrote: The difference between Conlon and the other players you refer to is that he has no or very little chance of producing anything in a match, because is is a poor footballer, the others (and granted they are all accountable for less then satisfactory performances of late) do at least have something in their locker. Conlon is garbage, in my and others opinion. BTW, just when exactly is Conlon going to make this impact happen that you refer to? And the majority of City fans do not rate Bazza - where have you got that spurious statement from? That's not a fact, it's you spouting drivel again! This is the 5th time I've asked this question on here (no-one has responded yet - not once, Waynus - not even you who seems to know everything!) but name me a more ineffective striker to wear the City No.9 shirt than Conlon? Don't say O'Grady 'cause he looks even worse![/p][/quote]Meat-pie, why get so aggressive again? When I referred to "The majority of City fans rate Baz as an impact player", I was referring to these boards. If you read them, you will find quite a few don't rate him at all, but most would have him on the bench and bring him on, a la Accrington away. You say you are still waiting for him to be an impact player. I refer you again to the above match, the Bury game at home, his performance against Barnet at home as examples, just off the top of my head. What is the point you are making? Are you agreeing with the view that McCall isn't doing that bad a job and should be given time to turn things around OR are you saying he should be ousted? Before you answer that question, just think about the criticism you are giving McCall every day that you slag off Bazza, a player McCall clearly rates, even if you don't. You say you have asked the question five times. Please accept my apologies, this is the first time I have noticed it, but in response, my answer would be; Eddie Johnson Dave Hibbert Andy Cooke Neil Tolson Michael Symes Mark Leonard AND LAST BUT NOT LEAST, Juanjo (as I think you may have alluded to recently yourself)!! Waynus

2:32pm Thu 29 Jan 09

Meat Pie says...

Mark Leonard !!!! - "Fifty Pence Head" LOL - a fair cop Waynus.
Mark Leonard !!!! - "Fifty Pence Head" LOL - a fair cop Waynus. Meat Pie

2:40pm Thu 29 Jan 09

Waynus says...

BantamBoy89 wrote:
Waynus wrote:
BantamBoy89 wrote: When McCall ran out onto the pitch at the start of the game, all 1800 applauded him and chanted his name which echoed around the ground. We all know our recent performances have not been good enough for a team that is chasing promotion, but sacking a manager half way through the season will not resolve anything. McCall can change this around, we need to show faith in him and support the team as best we can instead of slagging them off, yes we all know we can play much better and need to start performing soon, but we as fans need to keep on the positive side and support our players and staff. Im sure stepping out onto VP infront of 12,000+ city fans wanting a win rather than wanting smmeones head will keep our players motivated more effectively
As you refer to in your post, nobody was chanting for Stuart to be sacked. Yes, we may post comments on here that we want him out and yes, they may be our true feelings, but whilst we are supporting our team, we SUPPORT our team. If I was in charge at City, I would be replacing him as I simply don't rate the guy as a manager. Does he not give team-talks before the game, because we nearly always start slowly? They only wake up when we concede or when McCall gives one of his 'hairdryer' teamtalks at half time. What about motivating them BEFORE the game? Perhaps then, we may be able to play for a whole 90 minutes. However, although I would replace in today if given the chance, whilst he is in charge, I will continue to show my support for him during games, as will most fans on here. We don't want failure. We all just want success. Sadly, that won't come with McCall in charge. Finally, as for sacking a manager half way through a season doesn't work! Didn't Fulham stay up last season by doing exactly that? Haven't Blackburn and Tottenham started to show promising signs since replacing their managers? Even Leeds and Town have improved of late with their new managers. It doesn't always happen, but it just proves it can work. We have good players at this football club and they are under-achieving. That is down to the manager and his tactics. If any decent manager was in charge, he would have them working together as a team and we would be producing the goods.
Yes many people do want McCall out, and with the recent performances on the pitch it is understandable, but this is the first time McCall has publically shown his diappointment to a certain level, and hopefully he will now be changing his ways and getting ideas on what he could do differently to get more of an impact out of certain players. Dont forget he has had many first team players injured that are now finally returning to full fitness, and although this does not fully justify the recent lack in performances, hopefully we will see some change in the team to how we were at the start of the season Yes this may take a couple weeks to take proper effect, but i feel we should give him afew more games to see what he is capable of changing. Yes it is also risking our promotion chances but i personally have faith in McCall. After seeing 1800+ fans away at Bury i just hope he realises how much faith we all put in him to take us up the league and to win all important matches.
But that is where we disagree. After the Bournemouth game (at home), McCall was quoted as saying some of the players didn't get off the coach. Again, after the match against Barnet (at home), he rounded on his players for stopping playing. More recently (in the game against D&R), he stated they had a bigger desire than we did. He has highlighted this several times. This isn't the first time he has made a remark like this.

Comments like these have been made by Stuart before, when being interviewed by Radio Leeds/Pulse. However, the T&A have highlighted them this time. It is nothing new though.

You refer to his injury lists, but I have tried to reason with that excuse before.

Arnison OUT - TJ IN. McCall rated TJ more anyway, so in his eyes, we actually improved the team. (+)

Heckie OUT - O'B IN. Clearly the youngster is the better player, so again we have actually improved the team. (+)

Bully OUT - Furman IN. Which would you prefer, I know which player I rate higher? (+)

Colbeck OUT - Jones IN. Yes, this has weakened us. Jones has made some good runs and put in some good crosses, but overall not as good as an on-form Colbeck. However, before Joe's injury, he was going through a poor patch of form himself. Do you not remember the criticism he was getting for playing too narrow and offering us no width? (-)

Furman OUT - Law IN. Again, can you really say this weakened us? (+)

Thorne OUT - Conlon/O'Grady IN. Definitely weakened us and even before Thorne was officially ruled out, he wasn't performing due to his 'knocks'. (-)

However, do you not agree that we have been 'weakened' in two positions BUT 'strengthened' in others?
[quote][p][bold]BantamBoy89[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Waynus[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BantamBoy89[/bold] wrote: When McCall ran out onto the pitch at the start of the game, all 1800 applauded him and chanted his name which echoed around the ground. We all know our recent performances have not been good enough for a team that is chasing promotion, but sacking a manager half way through the season will not resolve anything. McCall can change this around, we need to show faith in him and support the team as best we can instead of slagging them off, yes we all know we can play much better and need to start performing soon, but we as fans need to keep on the positive side and support our players and staff. Im sure stepping out onto VP infront of 12,000+ city fans wanting a win rather than wanting smmeones head will keep our players motivated more effectively[/p][/quote]As you refer to in your post, nobody was chanting for Stuart to be sacked. Yes, we may post comments on here that we want him out and yes, they may be our true feelings, but whilst we are supporting our team, we SUPPORT our team. If I was in charge at City, I would be replacing him as I simply don't rate the guy as a manager. Does he not give team-talks before the game, because we nearly always start slowly? They only wake up when we concede or when McCall gives one of his 'hairdryer' teamtalks at half time. What about motivating them BEFORE the game? Perhaps then, we may be able to play for a whole 90 minutes. However, although I would replace in today if given the chance, whilst he is in charge, I will continue to show my support for him during games, as will most fans on here. We don't want failure. We all just want success. Sadly, that won't come with McCall in charge. Finally, as for sacking a manager half way through a season doesn't work! Didn't Fulham stay up last season by doing exactly that? Haven't Blackburn and Tottenham started to show promising signs since replacing their managers? Even Leeds and Town have improved of late with their new managers. It doesn't always happen, but it just proves it can work. We have good players at this football club and they are under-achieving. That is down to the manager and his tactics. If any decent manager was in charge, he would have them working together as a team and we would be producing the goods.[/p][/quote]Yes many people do want McCall out, and with the recent performances on the pitch it is understandable, but this is the first time McCall has publically shown his diappointment to a certain level, and hopefully he will now be changing his ways and getting ideas on what he could do differently to get more of an impact out of certain players. Dont forget he has had many first team players injured that are now finally returning to full fitness, and although this does not fully justify the recent lack in performances, hopefully we will see some change in the team to how we were at the start of the season Yes this may take a couple weeks to take proper effect, but i feel we should give him afew more games to see what he is capable of changing. Yes it is also risking our promotion chances but i personally have faith in McCall. After seeing 1800+ fans away at Bury i just hope he realises how much faith we all put in him to take us up the league and to win all important matches.[/p][/quote]But that is where we disagree. After the Bournemouth game (at home), McCall was quoted as saying some of the players didn't get off the coach. Again, after the match against Barnet (at home), he rounded on his players for stopping playing. More recently (in the game against D&R), he stated they had a bigger desire than we did. He has highlighted this several times. This isn't the first time he has made a remark like this. Comments like these have been made by Stuart before, when being interviewed by Radio Leeds/Pulse. However, the T&A have highlighted them this time. It is nothing new though. You refer to his injury lists, but I have tried to reason with that excuse before. Arnison OUT - TJ IN. McCall rated TJ more anyway, so in his eyes, we actually improved the team. (+) Heckie OUT - O'B IN. Clearly the youngster is the better player, so again we have actually improved the team. (+) Bully OUT - Furman IN. Which would you prefer, I know which player I rate higher? (+) Colbeck OUT - Jones IN. Yes, this has weakened us. Jones has made some good runs and put in some good crosses, but overall not as good as an on-form Colbeck. However, before Joe's injury, he was going through a poor patch of form himself. Do you not remember the criticism he was getting for playing too narrow and offering us no width? (-) Furman OUT - Law IN. Again, can you really say this weakened us? (+) Thorne OUT - Conlon/O'Grady IN. Definitely weakened us and even before Thorne was officially ruled out, he wasn't performing due to his 'knocks'. (-) However, do you not agree that we have been 'weakened' in two positions BUT 'strengthened' in others? Waynus

4:27pm Thu 29 Jan 09

shaun from richmond says...

OH NO!!! Lawns not going to act!!
He states, we have the players (thats a matter of opinion, but anyway) we just need the right mixture!!!!!!! For *****sake thats the whole point!!! McCall has no more idea now, than when he first took over the job. Except now McCall is quoted as saying he can no longer motivate the players!!!
Its a no brainer.......McCALL AND HIS MATES MUST GO....before its too late!!!!!
OH NO!!! Lawns not going to act!! He states, we have the players (thats a matter of opinion, but anyway) we just need the right mixture!!!!!!! For *****sake thats the whole point!!! McCall has no more idea now, than when he first took over the job. Except now McCall is quoted as saying he can no longer motivate the players!!! Its a no brainer.......McCALL AND HIS MATES MUST GO....before its too late!!!!! shaun from richmond

4:45pm Thu 29 Jan 09

ricky says...

just wondering if wycombe fans are calling for peter taylors head seen as they have won once in the last 5 games
just wondering if wycombe fans are calling for peter taylors head seen as they have won once in the last 5 games ricky

4:48pm Thu 29 Jan 09

Halifax Bantam says...

Lets be realisic, Lawn is not going to come out and slag SM and the team off, this would only work against the team on Saturday as fans would be on their backs from the off.
Dont be fooled though, Lawn is first and foremost a buisness man and he will be alarmed at our poor form, but he's also a fan and clearly doesnt want to be the one to sack a legend like SM.
Some on here have posted that we dont need a striker, yes we may have scored a lot of goals but that was early on in the season but they have dried up. This not totally down to the strikers i agree, however i have noticed a severe lack of movement and pace with our strikers, Conlon has no pace and his finnishing is woeful, Boulding just stands on the shoulders of the defender and has stopped making runs into the channel, he drifts out of the game too easily. Thorne is just coming back and it tells you all you need to know when he's been out for so long but is still the top scorer.
Another striker is a must, but wont happen, i think both chairmen have told SM that he's signed more than enough players this season and will not risk spending anymore money.
There is a disctinct lack of creativity from our midfield, Jones is very inconsistant, Daley plays for himself and not for the team and should be dropped, one good run every 4 matches does not make up for not being able to do the basics for his posistion such as crossing a ball.
The fact is we have signed far too many 30+ journey men who have no ambition or desire left in football, SM had the perfect chance in the summer to sign players who had pace and desire but choose to play safe and sign what has turned out to be dross. He even tries to play safe with his tactics, worries too much about the opposition instead of putting faith in his own players and sending them out to attack and win games from the off.
Lets be realisic, Lawn is not going to come out and slag SM and the team off, this would only work against the team on Saturday as fans would be on their backs from the off. Dont be fooled though, Lawn is first and foremost a buisness man and he will be alarmed at our poor form, but he's also a fan and clearly doesnt want to be the one to sack a legend like SM. Some on here have posted that we dont need a striker, yes we may have scored a lot of goals but that was early on in the season but they have dried up. This not totally down to the strikers i agree, however i have noticed a severe lack of movement and pace with our strikers, Conlon has no pace and his finnishing is woeful, Boulding just stands on the shoulders of the defender and has stopped making runs into the channel, he drifts out of the game too easily. Thorne is just coming back and it tells you all you need to know when he's been out for so long but is still the top scorer. Another striker is a must, but wont happen, i think both chairmen have told SM that he's signed more than enough players this season and will not risk spending anymore money. There is a disctinct lack of creativity from our midfield, Jones is very inconsistant, Daley plays for himself and not for the team and should be dropped, one good run every 4 matches does not make up for not being able to do the basics for his posistion such as crossing a ball. The fact is we have signed far too many 30+ journey men who have no ambition or desire left in football, SM had the perfect chance in the summer to sign players who had pace and desire but choose to play safe and sign what has turned out to be dross. He even tries to play safe with his tactics, worries too much about the opposition instead of putting faith in his own players and sending them out to attack and win games from the off. Halifax Bantam

5:26pm Thu 29 Jan 09

shaun from richmond says...

ricky wrote:
just wondering if wycombe fans are calling for peter taylors head seen as they have won once in the last 5 games
ER....Wycombe are top of the league, several points clear you idiot!!!
[quote][p][bold]ricky[/bold] wrote: just wondering if wycombe fans are calling for peter taylors head seen as they have won once in the last 5 games[/p][/quote]ER....Wycombe are top of the league, several points clear you idiot!!! shaun from richmond

6:03pm Thu 29 Jan 09

Spenvalleyspartan says...

the general 81-86 wrote:
macca1969 wrote: Glad lawn can see sense i'll just love it when we go up and i hear all you jumped up idiots chanting stuarts name.COME ON STUART YOUR THE RIGHT MAN TURN IT AROUND AND PROVE THEM ALL WRONG.CTID
Spot ON Macca 69 Will see what these numptys have to say come May when we go up Get behind your team and manager and stop been the fickle moaning fan ,you know who you are .
What a couple of complete muppets you 2 are! What ****in evidence have you 2 got that things are going to get better come May! Don't be shy! Share with all.Have you 2 idiots been watching City this season? How disjointed and lacklustre we have been since back end of September against lets face it dire sides! We're not posting on here to be proved right or wrong come May. We're fed up of being outplayed by sides built on shoestring budgets! This division is full of S**t sides and their taking something from us nearly every week under McCalls impotent management! So with no signings to strengthen or change in management can you 2 IDIOTS inform the rest of us what is going to change before May. I really do hope you 2 are right and the rest of us are wrong but personally I think you both talk utter S**t and need sectioning under the mental health act!
[quote][p][bold]the general 81-86[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]macca1969[/bold] wrote: Glad lawn can see sense i'll just love it when we go up and i hear all you jumped up idiots chanting stuarts name.COME ON STUART YOUR THE RIGHT MAN TURN IT AROUND AND PROVE THEM ALL WRONG.CTID[/p][/quote]Spot ON Macca 69 Will see what these numptys have to say come May when we go up Get behind your team and manager and stop been the fickle moaning fan ,you know who you are .[/p][/quote]What a couple of complete muppets you 2 are! What ****in evidence have you 2 got that things are going to get better come May! Don't be shy! Share with all.Have you 2 idiots been watching City this season? How disjointed and lacklustre we have been since back end of September against lets face it dire sides! We're not posting on here to be proved right or wrong come May. We're fed up of being outplayed by sides built on shoestring budgets! This division is full of S**t sides and their taking something from us nearly every week under McCalls impotent management! So with no signings to strengthen or change in management can you 2 IDIOTS inform the rest of us what is going to change before May. I really do hope you 2 are right and the rest of us are wrong but personally I think you both talk utter S**t and need sectioning under the mental health act! Spenvalleyspartan

6:25pm Thu 29 Jan 09

Edinburgh -bantam says...

Can I suugest you read the Boy from Brazil website for a balanced view?
It's not dominated by Waynus but there's an excellent response to someone called Wayne.
Can I suugest you read the Boy from Brazil website for a balanced view? It's not dominated by Waynus but there's an excellent response to someone called Wayne. Edinburgh -bantam

7:22pm Thu 29 Jan 09

fredblogsbantams says...

I'd seconds Edinburgh Bantam's recommendation to read Boy from Brazil - it's excellent.

Personally, I can't believe fans on here are so dismissive of the strikers we have at the club. These are good players and I can't imagine us being able to afford better. Who do people think we're going to sign? Kaka??
I'd seconds Edinburgh Bantam's recommendation to read Boy from Brazil - it's excellent. Personally, I can't believe fans on here are so dismissive of the strikers we have at the club. These are good players and I can't imagine us being able to afford better. Who do people think we're going to sign? Kaka?? fredblogsbantams

7:32pm Thu 29 Jan 09

ricky says...

shaun from richmond wrote:
ricky wrote: just wondering if wycombe fans are calling for peter taylors head seen as they have won once in the last 5 games
ER....Wycombe are top of the league, several points clear you idiot!!!
yes but if they dont start winning games they wont be for much longer
point i am making is teams go through bad patches drop points play poorly then win a few games and are back in the mix like bury and darlo have done recently wycombe are now going through their worse patch this season and we are too but they arent calling for taylors head and neither did burys fans for knill and darlo for pennys when things got rough we just seem to have some very fickle fans if come may we havent acheived our aim then is the time to decide the way forward not when we are still in the mix with 3 of the top 4 to come to vp
[quote][p][bold]shaun from richmond[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ricky[/bold] wrote: just wondering if wycombe fans are calling for peter taylors head seen as they have won once in the last 5 games[/p][/quote]ER....Wycombe are top of the league, several points clear you idiot!!![/p][/quote]yes but if they dont start winning games they wont be for much longer point i am making is teams go through bad patches drop points play poorly then win a few games and are back in the mix like bury and darlo have done recently wycombe are now going through their worse patch this season and we are too but they arent calling for taylors head and neither did burys fans for knill and darlo for pennys when things got rough we just seem to have some very fickle fans if come may we havent acheived our aim then is the time to decide the way forward not when we are still in the mix with 3 of the top 4 to come to vp ricky

8:13pm Thu 29 Jan 09

StaffsBantam says...

Ricky: You're right about 3 of the current top 4 still to come to VP, but everyone needs to realise that after the Darlo game on Monday, we have just 7 home games left, and 2 of those are Wycombe and Brentford! So any slip-ups from now on at VP could be extremely costly.
What really confuses me though, about our last 2 games, is how a team can go from something like 20+ attempts on Goal at Luton, to just 8 at Bury, with only 3 on target!
Answers on a postcard please to:-
S. McCall,
Valley Parade,
Bradford.

Ricky: You're right about 3 of the current top 4 still to come to VP, but everyone needs to realise that after the Darlo game on Monday, we have just 7 home games left, and 2 of those are Wycombe and Brentford! So any slip-ups from now on at VP could be extremely costly. What really confuses me though, about our last 2 games, is how a team can go from something like 20+ attempts on Goal at Luton, to just 8 at Bury, with only 3 on target! Answers on a postcard please to:- S. McCall, Valley Parade, Bradford. StaffsBantam

9:58pm Thu 29 Jan 09

Spenvalleyspartan says...

ricky wrote:
shaun from richmond wrote:
ricky wrote: just wondering if wycombe fans are calling for peter taylors head seen as they have won once in the last 5 games
ER....Wycombe are top of the league, several points clear you idiot!!!
yes but if they dont start winning games they wont be for much longer point i am making is teams go through bad patches drop points play poorly then win a few games and are back in the mix like bury and darlo have done recently wycombe are now going through their worse patch this season and we are too but they arent calling for taylors head and neither did burys fans for knill and darlo for pennys when things got rough we just seem to have some very fickle fans if come may we havent acheived our aim then is the time to decide the way forward not when we are still in the mix with 3 of the top 4 to come to vp
So we're going through a bad patch are we? Bloody long bad patch! Havn't looked like a promotion chasing side since backend of September! 6 wins out of 21! Thats nearly half a season of at best mediocre results and the footie its self poor.
Also the likes of Knill are managing teams on a small budget compared with ours so of course their not gonna get sacked!! These are clubs which probably have 2000 season ticket holders at most hence less sponsership! We are the biggest club in this s**t division! We're not fickle! We've got expectations and why shouldn't we!! Remember the back to back promotion battle cry! That looks light years away at the moment!
[quote][p][bold]ricky[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]shaun from richmond[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ricky[/bold] wrote: just wondering if wycombe fans are calling for peter taylors head seen as they have won once in the last 5 games[/p][/quote]ER....Wycombe are top of the league, several points clear you idiot!!![/p][/quote]yes but if they dont start winning games they wont be for much longer point i am making is teams go through bad patches drop points play poorly then win a few games and are back in the mix like bury and darlo have done recently wycombe are now going through their worse patch this season and we are too but they arent calling for taylors head and neither did burys fans for knill and darlo for pennys when things got rough we just seem to have some very fickle fans if come may we havent acheived our aim then is the time to decide the way forward not when we are still in the mix with 3 of the top 4 to come to vp[/p][/quote]So we're going through a bad patch are we? Bloody long bad patch! Havn't looked like a promotion chasing side since backend of September! 6 wins out of 21! Thats nearly half a season of at best mediocre results and the footie its self poor. Also the likes of Knill are managing teams on a small budget compared with ours so of course their not gonna get sacked!! These are clubs which probably have 2000 season ticket holders at most hence less sponsership! We are the biggest club in this s**t division! We're not fickle! We've got expectations and why shouldn't we!! Remember the back to back promotion battle cry! That looks light years away at the moment! Spenvalleyspartan

10:13pm Thu 29 Jan 09

macca1969 says...

Spenvalleyspartan wrote:
the general 81-86 wrote:
macca1969 wrote: Glad lawn can see sense i'll just love it when we go up and i hear all you jumped up idiots chanting stuarts name.COME ON STUART YOUR THE RIGHT MAN TURN IT AROUND AND PROVE THEM ALL WRONG.CTID
Spot ON Macca 69 Will see what these numptys have to say come May when we go up Get behind your team and manager and stop been the fickle moaning fan ,you know who you are .
What a couple of complete muppets you 2 are! What ****in evidence have you 2 got that things are going to get better come May! Don't be shy! Share with all.Have you 2 idiots been watching City this season? How disjointed and lacklustre we have been since back end of September against lets face it dire sides! We're not posting on here to be proved right or wrong come May. We're fed up of being outplayed by sides built on shoestring budgets! This division is full of S**t sides and their taking something from us nearly every week under McCalls impotent management! So with no signings to strengthen or change in management can you 2 IDIOTS inform the rest of us what is going to change before May. I really do hope you 2 are right and the rest of us are wrong but personally I think you both talk utter S**t and need sectioning under the mental health act!
Been to all home matches this season and some away thankyou.But what did you expect from McCall a rookie manager whos first season in charge was to get rid of the deadwood already there.his second season has been spent building a team of players he thinks will mount a challenge unfortunately he has chose a few wrong uns.But lets be honest he hasn't got money to spend like ince had at yhe dons last season or fergie at posh.I'm also so impressed that everyone on here seems to say we have the biggest budget,How do you all know that,could it be down to our larger crowds.At the end of the day it is now football league rules that you work within a budget of your crowd and income.As we all know as we have benefited we have the cheapest tickets in the whole league and as such would have to work on a reduced income,i might be wrong i don't know ours or anyone elses but i also know neither do any of you posters.That said stuart will make mistakes with signings and to get the full squad of players he wants might take 4 years but at least when success arrives it will last longer.People are employed in all walks of live and are not always successful and can be dismissed Stuart might have to admit that he has employed the wrong people and after giving them time decide to move them on. Give him the chance to do that FERGIE HAS WASTED MILLIONS do people question him?As for talking utter s**t well i suppose a lot out there will feel i do to but as i repeat how did sacking the last 5 managers improve our fortunes 3 relegations later and people still want instant success.Well i'd rather spout s**t than be an arrogant a**shole like you
[quote][p][bold]Spenvalleyspartan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the general 81-86[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]macca1969[/bold] wrote: Glad lawn can see sense i'll just love it when we go up and i hear all you jumped up idiots chanting stuarts name.COME ON STUART YOUR THE RIGHT MAN TURN IT AROUND AND PROVE THEM ALL WRONG.CTID[/p][/quote]Spot ON Macca 69 Will see what these numptys have to say come May when we go up Get behind your team and manager and stop been the fickle moaning fan ,you know who you are .[/p][/quote]What a couple of complete muppets you 2 are! What ****in evidence have you 2 got that things are going to get better come May! Don't be shy! Share with all.Have you 2 idiots been watching City this season? How disjointed and lacklustre we have been since back end of September against lets face it dire sides! We're not posting on here to be proved right or wrong come May. We're fed up of being outplayed by sides built on shoestring budgets! This division is full of S**t sides and their taking something from us nearly every week under McCalls impotent management! So with no signings to strengthen or change in management can you 2 IDIOTS inform the rest of us what is going to change before May. I really do hope you 2 are right and the rest of us are wrong but personally I think you both talk utter S**t and need sectioning under the mental health act![/p][/quote]Been to all home matches this season and some away thankyou.But what did you expect from McCall a rookie manager whos first season in charge was to get rid of the deadwood already there.his second season has been spent building a team of players he thinks will mount a challenge unfortunately he has chose a few wrong uns.But lets be honest he hasn't got money to spend like ince had at yhe dons last season or fergie at posh.I'm also so impressed that everyone on here seems to say we have the biggest budget,How do you all know that,could it be down to our larger crowds.At the end of the day it is now football league rules that you work within a budget of your crowd and income.As we all know as we have benefited we have the cheapest tickets in the whole league and as such would have to work on a reduced income,i might be wrong i don't know ours or anyone elses but i also know neither do any of you posters.That said stuart will make mistakes with signings and to get the full squad of players he wants might take 4 years but at least when success arrives it will last longer.People are employed in all walks of live and are not always successful and can be dismissed Stuart might have to admit that he has employed the wrong people and after giving them time decide to move them on. Give him the chance to do that FERGIE HAS WASTED MILLIONS do people question him?As for talking utter s**t well i suppose a lot out there will feel i do to but as i repeat how did sacking the last 5 managers improve our fortunes 3 relegations later and people still want instant success.Well i'd rather spout s**t than be an arrogant a**shole like you macca1969

10:30pm Thu 29 Jan 09

macca1969 says...

Waynus wrote:
macca1969 wrote: Glad lawn can see sense i'll just love it when we go up and i hear all you jumped up idiots chanting stuarts name.COME ON STUART YOUR THE RIGHT MAN TURN IT AROUND AND PROVE THEM ALL WRONG.CTID
"i'll just love it when we STAY DOWN and i hear all you jumped up 'idiots' chanting stuart OUT!" Well not quite. I wouldn't celebrate not getting promotion, but let's get real. This team WILL NOT get promoted this season under McCall. I hope all those that have called others names (such as idiots and numpties) come back to apologise when we have failed in our goal.
I'll apologise if i'm wrong for calling you all idiots will you be big enough to apoligise personally by letter to McCall if your wrong and he turns it round.By the way hope you keep your singing on sat to the team only and not sign stuarts name it'll make my stomach churn even if we thrash grimsby
[quote][p][bold]Waynus[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]macca1969[/bold] wrote: Glad lawn can see sense i'll just love it when we go up and i hear all you jumped up idiots chanting stuarts name.COME ON STUART YOUR THE RIGHT MAN TURN IT AROUND AND PROVE THEM ALL WRONG.CTID[/p][/quote]"i'll just love it when we STAY DOWN and i hear all you jumped up 'idiots' chanting stuart OUT!" Well not quite. I wouldn't celebrate not getting promotion, but let's get real. This team WILL NOT get promoted this season under McCall. I hope all those that have called others names (such as idiots and numpties) come back to apologise when we have failed in our goal.[/p][/quote]I'll apologise if i'm wrong for calling you all idiots will you be big enough to apoligise personally by letter to McCall if your wrong and he turns it round.By the way hope you keep your singing on sat to the team only and not sign stuarts name it'll make my stomach churn even if we thrash grimsby macca1969

10:37pm Thu 29 Jan 09

Spenvalleyspartan says...

macca1969 wrote:
Spenvalleyspartan wrote:
the general 81-86 wrote:
macca1969 wrote: Glad lawn can see sense i'll just love it when we go up and i hear all you jumped up idiots chanting stuarts name.COME ON STUART YOUR THE RIGHT MAN TURN IT AROUND AND PROVE THEM ALL WRONG.CTID
Spot ON Macca 69 Will see what these numptys have to say come May when we go up Get behind your team and manager and stop been the fickle moaning fan ,you know who you are .
What a couple of complete muppets you 2 are! What ****in evidence have you 2 got that things are going to get better come May! Don't be shy! Share with all.Have you 2 idiots been watching City this season? How disjointed and lacklustre we have been since back end of September against lets face it dire sides! We're not posting on here to be proved right or wrong come May. We're fed up of being outplayed by sides built on shoestring budgets! This division is full of S**t sides and their taking something from us nearly every week under McCalls impotent management! So with no signings to strengthen or change in management can you 2 IDIOTS inform the rest of us what is going to change before May. I really do hope you 2 are right and the rest of us are wrong but personally I think you both talk utter S**t and need sectioning under the mental health act!
Been to all home matches this season and some away thankyou.But what did you expect from McCall a rookie manager whos first season in charge was to get rid of the deadwood already there.his second season has been spent building a team of players he thinks will mount a challenge unfortunately he has chose a few wrong uns.But lets be honest he hasn't got money to spend like ince had at yhe dons last season or fergie at posh.I'm also so impressed that everyone on here seems to say we have the biggest budget,How do you all know that,could it be down to our larger crowds.At the end of the day it is now football league rules that you work within a budget of your crowd and income.As we all know as we have benefited we have the cheapest tickets in the whole league and as such would have to work on a reduced income,i might be wrong i don't know ours or anyone elses but i also know neither do any of you posters.That said stuart will make mistakes with signings and to get the full squad of players he wants might take 4 years but at least when success arrives it will last longer.People are employed in all walks of live and are not always successful and can be dismissed Stuart might have to admit that he has employed the wrong people and after giving them time decide to move them on. Give him the chance to do that FERGIE HAS WASTED MILLIONS do people question him?As for talking utter s**t well i suppose a lot out there will feel i do to but as i repeat how did sacking the last 5 managers improve our fortunes 3 relegations later and people still want instant success.Well i'd rather spout s**t than be an arrogant a**shole like you
You still havn't answered the question. Whats going to change between now and the end of the season under McCall for us to gain promotion?
[quote][p][bold]macca1969[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Spenvalleyspartan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the general 81-86[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]macca1969[/bold] wrote: Glad lawn can see sense i'll just love it when we go up and i hear all you jumped up idiots chanting stuarts name.COME ON STUART YOUR THE RIGHT MAN TURN IT AROUND AND PROVE THEM ALL WRONG.CTID[/p][/quote]Spot ON Macca 69 Will see what these numptys have to say come May when we go up Get behind your team and manager and stop been the fickle moaning fan ,you know who you are .[/p][/quote]What a couple of complete muppets you 2 are! What ****in evidence have you 2 got that things are going to get better come May! Don't be shy! Share with all.Have you 2 idiots been watching City this season? How disjointed and lacklustre we have been since back end of September against lets face it dire sides! We're not posting on here to be proved right or wrong come May. We're fed up of being outplayed by sides built on shoestring budgets! This division is full of S**t sides and their taking something from us nearly every week under McCalls impotent management! So with no signings to strengthen or change in management can you 2 IDIOTS inform the rest of us what is going to change before May. I really do hope you 2 are right and the rest of us are wrong but personally I think you both talk utter S**t and need sectioning under the mental health act![/p][/quote]Been to all home matches this season and some away thankyou.But what did you expect from McCall a rookie manager whos first season in charge was to get rid of the deadwood already there.his second season has been spent building a team of players he thinks will mount a challenge unfortunately he has chose a few wrong uns.But lets be honest he hasn't got money to spend like ince had at yhe dons last season or fergie at posh.I'm also so impressed that everyone on here seems to say we have the biggest budget,How do you all know that,could it be down to our larger crowds.At the end of the day it is now football league rules that you work within a budget of your crowd and income.As we all know as we have benefited we have the cheapest tickets in the whole league and as such would have to work on a reduced income,i might be wrong i don't know ours or anyone elses but i also know neither do any of you posters.That said stuart will make mistakes with signings and to get the full squad of players he wants might take 4 years but at least when success arrives it will last longer.People are employed in all walks of live and are not always successful and can be dismissed Stuart might have to admit that he has employed the wrong people and after giving them time decide to move them on. Give him the chance to do that FERGIE HAS WASTED MILLIONS do people question him?As for talking utter s**t well i suppose a lot out there will feel i do to but as i repeat how did sacking the last 5 managers improve our fortunes 3 relegations later and people still want instant success.Well i'd rather spout s**t than be an arrogant a**shole like you[/p][/quote]You still havn't answered the question. Whats going to change between now and the end of the season under McCall for us to gain promotion? Spenvalleyspartan

10:48pm Thu 29 Jan 09

Spenvalleyspartan says...

Anyway lets stop the name calling! Me included. I just think its vital we get out of this division this year having to pay Gibb all that money back. Don't want us to be hanging about in this division under such finicial restraints! I don't care who gets us up! Just feel that if it ain't this year then when? Frustrating too that we are missing out on our 2 west yorks derbys againt Beeston utd and Scumersfield!
Anyway lets stop the name calling! Me included. I just think its vital we get out of this division this year having to pay Gibb all that money back. Don't want us to be hanging about in this division under such finicial restraints! I don't care who gets us up! Just feel that if it ain't this year then when? Frustrating too that we are missing out on our 2 west yorks derbys againt Beeston utd and Scumersfield! Spenvalleyspartan

10:50pm Thu 29 Jan 09

macca1969 says...

Waynus wrote:
macca1969 wrote: Glad lawn can see sense i'll just love it when we go up and i hear all you jumped up idiots chanting stuarts name.COME ON STUART YOUR THE RIGHT MAN TURN IT AROUND AND PROVE THEM ALL WRONG.CTID
I'm not going to get into an argument with you on this matter. You know my views and why and I, yours. Having heard your 'vocal support' towards Stuart on Tuesday night, I am surprised you are so hellbent on defending him. Anyway, that is your prerogative and in the heat of the moment, I can understand why you would have been so frustrated. Anyway, I would just like to ask you one question. You are so sure that McCall is THE right man for the job, despite performances, team selections and tactics being woefully wrong at times this season. Why are you so sure that Jakes ISN'T the right man to assist him and continue to blame him for our poor performances? Remember Jakes coaches the team (and the defence has improved significantly over the past couple of months), but Mccall is responsible for picking the team, naming the subs, choosing the tactics etc. Can you remember the 'I will put Thorne on the bench, but have no intention of playing him' scenario?
Firstly i didn't shout or hurl anyrthing negative towards stuart on tuesday.I questioned his tactics team selection and expressed my disgust at the team with you.That said i never once said towards you that he should be sacked.I've listened to the interview he gave, and something not in the words he said, as he has, as you say said it all before, but the tone he said it in i believe he is going to get tough.He looked hurt and let down by the players and i expect him to put this right i believe some players may have played there last game this season under McCall.I'n not sure jakes isn't the right man for the job i just think experience is needed somewhere and he doesn't have it,as for the defence getting better it6 wasn't great last weekend at luton 3 goals from 3 set pieces laughable really.Do you not think that the defence as improved at a cost of our attacking play becoming more negative as because its so inadequate when we attack we always look like conceding.Early season we scored for fun but always looked like conceding then we tighten the defence but the goals dry up maybe there is a link.Like you said no point arguing i've got my point of view you and a few hundred other posters theres.Where i would disagree is that if the worst does happen and promotion isn't achieved i would still urge the board to stick with stuart as the club needs stabilty.Fortune favours the brave and its all to easy to sack managers instead of backing them.As for your earlier comments on nicky law you slagged him off to me so many times and on top of that i knew a lot of Man U fans that said fergie had lost the plot was tactically naive.Also you questioned him not playing players in there correct positions but expressed only the other day how magnificent law was on the left on sat at luton.Sometimes it works and he is a genius when it doesn't he is tactically naive
[quote][p][bold]Waynus[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]macca1969[/bold] wrote: Glad lawn can see sense i'll just love it when we go up and i hear all you jumped up idiots chanting stuarts name.COME ON STUART YOUR THE RIGHT MAN TURN IT AROUND AND PROVE THEM ALL WRONG.CTID[/p][/quote]I'm not going to get into an argument with you on this matter. You know my views and why and I, yours. Having heard your 'vocal support' towards Stuart on Tuesday night, I am surprised you are so hellbent on defending him. Anyway, that is your prerogative and in the heat of the moment, I can understand why you would have been so frustrated. Anyway, I would just like to ask you one question. You are so sure that McCall is THE right man for the job, despite performances, team selections and tactics being woefully wrong at times this season. Why are you so sure that Jakes ISN'T the right man to assist him and continue to blame him for our poor performances? Remember Jakes coaches the team (and the defence has improved significantly over the past couple of months), but Mccall is responsible for picking the team, naming the subs, choosing the tactics etc. Can you remember the 'I will put Thorne on the bench, but have no intention of playing him' scenario?[/p][/quote]Firstly i didn't shout or hurl anyrthing negative towards stuart on tuesday.I questioned his tactics team selection and expressed my disgust at the team with you.That said i never once said towards you that he should be sacked.I've listened to the interview he gave, and something not in the words he said, as he has, as you say said it all before, but the tone he said it in i believe he is going to get tough.He looked hurt and let down by the players and i expect him to put this right i believe some players may have played there last game this season under McCall.I'n not sure jakes isn't the right man for the job i just think experience is needed somewhere and he doesn't have it,as for the defence getting better it6 wasn't great last weekend at luton 3 goals from 3 set pieces laughable really.Do you not think that the defence as improved at a cost of our attacking play becoming more negative as because its so inadequate when we attack we always look like conceding.Early season we scored for fun but always looked like conceding then we tighten the defence but the goals dry up maybe there is a link.Like you said no point arguing i've got my point of view you and a few hundred other posters theres.Where i would disagree is that if the worst does happen and promotion isn't achieved i would still urge the board to stick with stuart as the club needs stabilty.Fortune favours the brave and its all to easy to sack managers instead of backing them.As for your earlier comments on nicky law you slagged him off to me so many times and on top of that i knew a lot of Man U fans that said fergie had lost the plot was tactically naive.Also you questioned him not playing players in there correct positions but expressed only the other day how magnificent law was on the left on sat at luton.Sometimes it works and he is a genius when it doesn't he is tactically naive macca1969

10:57pm Thu 29 Jan 09

macca1969 says...

Spenvalleyspartan wrote:
Anyway lets stop the name calling! Me included. I just think its vital we get out of this division this year having to pay Gibb all that money back. Don't want us to be hanging about in this division under such finicial restraints! I don't care who gets us up! Just feel that if it ain't this year then when? Frustrating too that we are missing out on our 2 west yorks derbys againt Beeston utd and Scumersfield!
I hope a change in fortune and the fact he is now under pressure he will decide to be more positive.We have played poorly and i've said this myself i just believe the club has been so poorly run it will take more time and its just a gut instinct that we will still make it the same one i had when i said we would go up when kammy was manager.By the way waynus lost the bet on that one too lol.I understand your frustration and took no offence at your name calling and meant none in my name calling.We all know we have no real money to spend but when the transfer market closes and clubs that have spent may have surpplus then we may sign a couple of loanees as the loan market is still open for a few weeks after
[quote][p][bold]Spenvalleyspartan[/bold] wrote: Anyway lets stop the name calling! Me included. I just think its vital we get out of this division this year having to pay Gibb all that money back. Don't want us to be hanging about in this division under such finicial restraints! I don't care who gets us up! Just feel that if it ain't this year then when? Frustrating too that we are missing out on our 2 west yorks derbys againt Beeston utd and Scumersfield![/p][/quote]I hope a change in fortune and the fact he is now under pressure he will decide to be more positive.We have played poorly and i've said this myself i just believe the club has been so poorly run it will take more time and its just a gut instinct that we will still make it the same one i had when i said we would go up when kammy was manager.By the way waynus lost the bet on that one too lol.I understand your frustration and took no offence at your name calling and meant none in my name calling.We all know we have no real money to spend but when the transfer market closes and clubs that have spent may have surpplus then we may sign a couple of loanees as the loan market is still open for a few weeks after macca1969

11:00pm Thu 29 Jan 09

Soulman says...

Tyker try Transplant surgery
The most expensive tuning option is enlarging the engine by boring out the block to increase its size. Ultimately you could fit a turbocharger, but simplest of all would be to fit a bigger engine.

Still we cant do this to most of the players. On tuesday we created few clear cut chances. I guess the stats back this up. Bullock clearly was not ready. Furman is very lively as Baz is 100% but are either effective (would use baz as an impact sub!). Still think it is the quality of the central midfield. I think Law has played well in that position recently. Not sure about Jones, I get the impression that he thinks he is too good for this level.

In respect of Stewart I really really hope he can lead us out of this division BUT... Perhaps we have to be patient. I guess most people here want better results rather than for Stewart to be replaced. If he goes who are we going to get?? Stan Ternent???
Tyker try Transplant surgery The most expensive tuning option is enlarging the engine by boring out the block to increase its size. Ultimately you could fit a turbocharger, but simplest of all would be to fit a bigger engine. Still we cant do this to most of the players. On tuesday we created few clear cut chances. I guess the stats back this up. Bullock clearly was not ready. Furman is very lively as Baz is 100% but are either effective (would use baz as an impact sub!). Still think it is the quality of the central midfield. I think Law has played well in that position recently. Not sure about Jones, I get the impression that he thinks he is too good for this level. In respect of Stewart I really really hope he can lead us out of this division BUT... Perhaps we have to be patient. I guess most people here want better results rather than for Stewart to be replaced. If he goes who are we going to get?? Stan Ternent??? Soulman

11:15pm Thu 29 Jan 09

Spenvalleyspartan says...

macca1969 wrote:
Spenvalleyspartan wrote: Anyway lets stop the name calling! Me included. I just think its vital we get out of this division this year having to pay Gibb all that money back. Don't want us to be hanging about in this division under such finicial restraints! I don't care who gets us up! Just feel that if it ain't this year then when? Frustrating too that we are missing out on our 2 west yorks derbys againt Beeston utd and Scumersfield!
I hope a change in fortune and the fact he is now under pressure he will decide to be more positive.We have played poorly and i've said this myself i just believe the club has been so poorly run it will take more time and its just a gut instinct that we will still make it the same one i had when i said we would go up when kammy was manager.By the way waynus lost the bet on that one too lol.I understand your frustration and took no offence at your name calling and meant none in my name calling.We all know we have no real money to spend but when the transfer market closes and clubs that have spent may have surpplus then we may sign a couple of loanees as the loan market is still open for a few weeks after
Gut feeling eh! Hope your right. Just can't see it at the moment. Bon soir!
[quote][p][bold]macca1969[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Spenvalleyspartan[/bold] wrote: Anyway lets stop the name calling! Me included. I just think its vital we get out of this division this year having to pay Gibb all that money back. Don't want us to be hanging about in this division under such finicial restraints! I don't care who gets us up! Just feel that if it ain't this year then when? Frustrating too that we are missing out on our 2 west yorks derbys againt Beeston utd and Scumersfield![/p][/quote]I hope a change in fortune and the fact he is now under pressure he will decide to be more positive.We have played poorly and i've said this myself i just believe the club has been so poorly run it will take more time and its just a gut instinct that we will still make it the same one i had when i said we would go up when kammy was manager.By the way waynus lost the bet on that one too lol.I understand your frustration and took no offence at your name calling and meant none in my name calling.We all know we have no real money to spend but when the transfer market closes and clubs that have spent may have surpplus then we may sign a couple of loanees as the loan market is still open for a few weeks after[/p][/quote]Gut feeling eh! Hope your right. Just can't see it at the moment. Bon soir! Spenvalleyspartan

11:38pm Thu 29 Jan 09

Bradford1903 says...

There appears to be two threads on here today, one about us needing a new striker, and the other questioning McCall's position.

As far as the striker situation is concerned, I do agree with those that say we need one.

Conlon to me is far more effective when he comes off the bench for the last 20 mins, and we play a bit more direct. I would therefore only consider starting him on rare occasions.

With this in mind, I therefore think we need someone else to compete for a starting place with Boulding and Thorne, particularly with the latter's ongoing injury problems.

As I've said before, I don't expect us to be paying any money for a player, so if we do bring someone in it will be a loan signing. The transfer window actually shuts on the 2nd Feb, as it has been extended a couple of days with the 31st Jan being on a weekend.

What hasn't been mentioned though is that a few weeks later, clubs are once again allowed to bring in loan players.

I therefore don't think the need for a striker is as pressing as some might suggest. If we can't get anybody in the next few days, then there will be another opportunity to bring someone in, when the loan market reopens.

A new striker will make little difference though, if we can't provide them with some decent service.

As far as McCall is concerned, everybody was jumping on the bandwagon the other week, saying he should be given a new contract, and they are now stating he should go.

I replied at the time, saying that I thought the jury was still out on Stuart, which I believe it is. I certainly don't think he should be sacked.

We are not playing well enough to get in the top 3 at the moment, but this can still be achieved if the team plays to its full potential. I do believe we will at least get into the play offs. It would only be if we fell well adrift of the play off places, like Leeds did, that I would consider getting rid of Stuart.

As Rhodes and Lawn aren't going to sack him whatever happens this season, I feel the arguement is irrelevant anyway.

There appears to be two threads on here today, one about us needing a new striker, and the other questioning McCall's position. As far as the striker situation is concerned, I do agree with those that say we need one. Conlon to me is far more effective when he comes off the bench for the last 20 mins, and we play a bit more direct. I would therefore only consider starting him on rare occasions. With this in mind, I therefore think we need someone else to compete for a starting place with Boulding and Thorne, particularly with the latter's ongoing injury problems. As I've said before, I don't expect us to be paying any money for a player, so if we do bring someone in it will be a loan signing. The transfer window actually shuts on the 2nd Feb, as it has been extended a couple of days with the 31st Jan being on a weekend. What hasn't been mentioned though is that a few weeks later, clubs are once again allowed to bring in loan players. I therefore don't think the need for a striker is as pressing as some might suggest. If we can't get anybody in the next few days, then there will be another opportunity to bring someone in, when the loan market reopens. A new striker will make little difference though, if we can't provide them with some decent service. As far as McCall is concerned, everybody was jumping on the bandwagon the other week, saying he should be given a new contract, and they are now stating he should go. I replied at the time, saying that I thought the jury was still out on Stuart, which I believe it is. I certainly don't think he should be sacked. We are not playing well enough to get in the top 3 at the moment, but this can still be achieved if the team plays to its full potential. I do believe we will at least get into the play offs. It would only be if we fell well adrift of the play off places, like Leeds did, that I would consider getting rid of Stuart. As Rhodes and Lawn aren't going to sack him whatever happens this season, I feel the arguement is irrelevant anyway. Bradford1903

10:55am Fri 30 Jan 09

Waynus says...

Bradford1903 wrote:
There appears to be two threads on here today, one about us needing a new striker, and the other questioning McCall's position. As far as the striker situation is concerned, I do agree with those that say we need one. Conlon to me is far more effective when he comes off the bench for the last 20 mins, and we play a bit more direct. I would therefore only consider starting him on rare occasions. With this in mind, I therefore think we need someone else to compete for a starting place with Boulding and Thorne, particularly with the latter's ongoing injury problems. As I've said before, I don't expect us to be paying any money for a player, so if we do bring someone in it will be a loan signing. The transfer window actually shuts on the 2nd Feb, as it has been extended a couple of days with the 31st Jan being on a weekend. What hasn't been mentioned though is that a few weeks later, clubs are once again allowed to bring in loan players. I therefore don't think the need for a striker is as pressing as some might suggest. If we can't get anybody in the next few days, then there will be another opportunity to bring someone in, when the loan market reopens. A new striker will make little difference though, if we can't provide them with some decent service. As far as McCall is concerned, everybody was jumping on the bandwagon the other week, saying he should be given a new contract, and they are now stating he should go. I replied at the time, saying that I thought the jury was still out on Stuart, which I believe it is. I certainly don't think he should be sacked. We are not playing well enough to get in the top 3 at the moment, but this can still be achieved if the team plays to its full potential. I do believe we will at least get into the play offs. It would only be if we fell well adrift of the play off places, like Leeds did, that I would consider getting rid of Stuart. As Rhodes and Lawn aren't going to sack him whatever happens this season, I feel the arguement is irrelevant anyway.
I agree with you regarding the lack of service and I blame McCall for that. Daley has been ineffective as a winger for most of the season, but nothing has been done about it.

No service = no goals from our strikers.

I agree with you regarding Conlon also and the fact we desperately need a 4th striker. Some on here are still defending the fact the the three we have at present, have score 10+ goals each to date. However, they didn't mention Thorne's injury problems and what we can do when players lose form.

I appreciate the loan market re-opens again soon, but that isn't the issue. McCall, nobody else, is happy to continue with just the three strikers. Just a couple of weeks ago, Mark Lawn was interviewed on Radio Leeds. He announced to all that there was some, not a lot, of money available for McCall to spend. Lawn, himself, believed we needed to add to the squad and that McCall had been told money was available.

In addition to this, when Billy Topp's contract was terminated, we were told there would be a permanent replacement being brought in at some stage. When is that going to be, at the end of the season?

McCall can't see what is wrong on the football pitch and how to put it right. If he can't spot midfield being won and that Bully was not match fit, then where was he looking? At his feet? Was he the only person in the ground that saw just how useless Daley was on Tuesday night? Instead of taking him off, he bl00dy put him up front! No wonder, when he scouts a player like O'Grady, he believes he is the best thing since sliced bread and goes out to sign him!

"I do believe we will at least get into the play offs. It would only be if we fell well adrift of the play off places, like Leeds did, that I would consider getting rid of Stuart". The problem with that, is that we have top sides to play in the coming weeks and if we play like we have been doing, we WILL be well adrift in a month's time. How is that going to give anyone new time to come in, assess the players, bring in new loanees and still get us up?
[quote][p][bold]Bradford1903[/bold] wrote: There appears to be two threads on here today, one about us needing a new striker, and the other questioning McCall's position. As far as the striker situation is concerned, I do agree with those that say we need one. Conlon to me is far more effective when he comes off the bench for the last 20 mins, and we play a bit more direct. I would therefore only consider starting him on rare occasions. With this in mind, I therefore think we need someone else to compete for a starting place with Boulding and Thorne, particularly with the latter's ongoing injury problems. As I've said before, I don't expect us to be paying any money for a player, so if we do bring someone in it will be a loan signing. The transfer window actually shuts on the 2nd Feb, as it has been extended a couple of days with the 31st Jan being on a weekend. What hasn't been mentioned though is that a few weeks later, clubs are once again allowed to bring in loan players. I therefore don't think the need for a striker is as pressing as some might suggest. If we can't get anybody in the next few days, then there will be another opportunity to bring someone in, when the loan market reopens. A new striker will make little difference though, if we can't provide them with some decent service. As far as McCall is concerned, everybody was jumping on the bandwagon the other week, saying he should be given a new contract, and they are now stating he should go. I replied at the time, saying that I thought the jury was still out on Stuart, which I believe it is. I certainly don't think he should be sacked. We are not playing well enough to get in the top 3 at the moment, but this can still be achieved if the team plays to its full potential. I do believe we will at least get into the play offs. It would only be if we fell well adrift of the play off places, like Leeds did, that I would consider getting rid of Stuart. As Rhodes and Lawn aren't going to sack him whatever happens this season, I feel the arguement is irrelevant anyway. [/p][/quote]I agree with you regarding the lack of service and I blame McCall for that. Daley has been ineffective as a winger for most of the season, but nothing has been done about it. No service = no goals from our strikers. I agree with you regarding Conlon also and the fact we desperately need a 4th striker. Some on here are still defending the fact the the three we have at present, have score 10+ goals each to date. However, they didn't mention Thorne's injury problems and what we can do when players lose form. I appreciate the loan market re-opens again soon, but that isn't the issue. McCall, nobody else, is happy to continue with just the three strikers. Just a couple of weeks ago, Mark Lawn was interviewed on Radio Leeds. He announced to all that there was some, not a lot, of money available for McCall to spend. Lawn, himself, believed we needed to add to the squad and that McCall had been told money was available. In addition to this, when Billy Topp's contract was terminated, we were told there would be a permanent replacement being brought in at some stage. When is that going to be, at the end of the season? McCall can't see what is wrong on the football pitch and how to put it right. If he can't spot midfield being won and that Bully was not match fit, then where was he looking? At his feet? Was he the only person in the ground that saw just how useless Daley was on Tuesday night? Instead of taking him off, he bl00dy put him up front! No wonder, when he scouts a player like O'Grady, he believes he is the best thing since sliced bread and goes out to sign him! "I do believe we will at least get into the play offs. It would only be if we fell well adrift of the play off places, like Leeds did, that I would consider getting rid of Stuart". The problem with that, is that we have top sides to play in the coming weeks and if we play like we have been doing, we WILL be well adrift in a month's time. How is that going to give anyone new time to come in, assess the players, bring in new loanees and still get us up? Waynus

10:56am Fri 30 Jan 09

Waynus says...

Edinburgh -bantam wrote:
Can I suugest you read the Boy from Brazil website for a balanced view? It's not dominated by Waynus but there's an excellent response to someone called Wayne.
Nowt to do with me. I will have a read though; what's the website called?
[quote][p][bold]Edinburgh -bantam[/bold] wrote: Can I suugest you read the Boy from Brazil website for a balanced view? It's not dominated by Waynus but there's an excellent response to someone called Wayne.[/p][/quote]Nowt to do with me. I will have a read though; what's the website called? Waynus

11:26am Fri 30 Jan 09

ricky says...

Spenvalleyspartan wrote:
ricky wrote:
shaun from richmond wrote:
ricky wrote: just wondering if wycombe fans are calling for peter taylors head seen as they have won once in the last 5 games
ER....Wycombe are top of the league, several points clear you idiot!!!
yes but if they dont start winning games they wont be for much longer point i am making is teams go through bad patches drop points play poorly then win a few games and are back in the mix like bury and darlo have done recently wycombe are now going through their worse patch this season and we are too but they arent calling for taylors head and neither did burys fans for knill and darlo for pennys when things got rough we just seem to have some very fickle fans if come may we havent acheived our aim then is the time to decide the way forward not when we are still in the mix with 3 of the top 4 to come to vp
So we're going through a bad patch are we? Bloody long bad patch! Havn't looked like a promotion chasing side since backend of September! 6 wins out of 21! Thats nearly half a season of at best mediocre results and the footie its self poor. Also the likes of Knill are managing teams on a small budget compared with ours so of course their not gonna get sacked!! These are clubs which probably have 2000 season ticket holders at most hence less sponsership! We are the biggest club in this s**t division! We're not fickle! We've got expectations and why shouldn't we!! Remember the back to back promotion battle cry! That looks light years away at the moment!
i understand your frustation i am not best pleased with our fortunes of late either but just as things havent gone our way of late does that mean we should change our manager like many fans have said thats why i say wait till may if stu gets out of this league many fans will all of sudden say what a guy stu is he as done a brillant job and all the rest of it and retract their opinions of him my opinion would be lets get to end of season see what if any as been acheived and then decide if we need a change of personnel
[quote][p][bold]Spenvalleyspartan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ricky[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]shaun from richmond[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ricky[/bold] wrote: just wondering if wycombe fans are calling for peter taylors head seen as they have won once in the last 5 games[/p][/quote]ER....Wycombe are top of the league, several points clear you idiot!!![/p][/quote]yes but if they dont start winning games they wont be for much longer point i am making is teams go through bad patches drop points play poorly then win a few games and are back in the mix like bury and darlo have done recently wycombe are now going through their worse patch this season and we are too but they arent calling for taylors head and neither did burys fans for knill and darlo for pennys when things got rough we just seem to have some very fickle fans if come may we havent acheived our aim then is the time to decide the way forward not when we are still in the mix with 3 of the top 4 to come to vp[/p][/quote]So we're going through a bad patch are we? Bloody long bad patch! Havn't looked like a promotion chasing side since backend of September! 6 wins out of 21! Thats nearly half a season of at best mediocre results and the footie its self poor. Also the likes of Knill are managing teams on a small budget compared with ours so of course their not gonna get sacked!! These are clubs which probably have 2000 season ticket holders at most hence less sponsership! We are the biggest club in this s**t division! We're not fickle! We've got expectations and why shouldn't we!! Remember the back to back promotion battle cry! That looks light years away at the moment![/p][/quote]i understand your frustation i am not best pleased with our fortunes of late either but just as things havent gone our way of late does that mean we should change our manager like many fans have said thats why i say wait till may if stu gets out of this league many fans will all of sudden say what a guy stu is he as done a brillant job and all the rest of it and retract their opinions of him my opinion would be lets get to end of season see what if any as been acheived and then decide if we need a change of personnel ricky

11:36am Fri 30 Jan 09

dannbradfc says...

HALIFAX BANTAM qUOTE " Conlon has no pace and his finnishing is woeful, Boulding just stands on the shoulders of the defender and has stopped making runs into the channel, he drifts out of the game too easily. Thorne is just coming back and it tells you all you need to know when he's been out for so long but is still the top scorer".

a GOOD SUMMATION of our current forward situation. Glad you to have noticed Bouldings play are lack of movement to. His first reaction when we get the ball is to gravitate towars their centre-halfs. He,s good in te air but can't jump as high as some of height of the defenders we are up against nor should he be doing. It may be the way we are playing i.e. too much long ball of late but he nees to find space and move more
HALIFAX BANTAM qUOTE " Conlon has no pace and his finnishing is woeful, Boulding just stands on the shoulders of the defender and has stopped making runs into the channel, he drifts out of the game too easily. Thorne is just coming back and it tells you all you need to know when he's been out for so long but is still the top scorer". a GOOD SUMMATION of our current forward situation. Glad you to have noticed Bouldings play are lack of movement to. His first reaction when we get the ball is to gravitate towars their centre-halfs. He,s good in te air but can't jump as high as some of height of the defenders we are up against nor should he be doing. It may be the way we are playing i.e. too much long ball of late but he nees to find space and move more dannbradfc

12:27pm Fri 30 Jan 09

Waynus says...

ricky wrote:
just wondering if wycombe fans are calling for peter taylors head seen as they have won once in the last 5 games
No, but the thing you have to take into consideration is that we know the managers you refer to; Taylor, Knill and Penney, are all good managers and have done well in previous positions. McCall has not yet got any success, as a manager, on his CV. Nobody knows yet if he is even cut out to be a manager? That is the difference. We MAY be flogging a dead horse. Look at Tony Adams. A brilliant defender, a good assistant, but poor as a manager. He looks like he will be fired from his 2nd managerial position before too long.

Taylor, Penney and,in particular, Knill have built their squads from scraps and now have players they could sell for millions. Who have we got in our squad that you could say that about? Our biggest asset is definitely O'Brien and he came through the ranks. In fact, he only started due to injury to Heckie. How many of these kids have we got that aren't getting a chance to progress?

I think the point I am trying to make is that you cannot compare McCall with those named above as they have success (of a kind) on their CVs and McCall doesn't. Furthermore, they haven't had the resources available that McCall has had.

When the transfer window closed at the beginning of the season, McCall said he was delighted with his signings and had got almost all his targets. Obviously we missed out on the lad that signed instead for Scunny and the keeper that joined Lincoln, but we did manage to get Boulding. The players we signed came with big reputations and (I would have thought) big salaries. We should be top or at least near the top and more importantly, PLAYING GOOD FOOTBALL. I can't remember the last time I can honestly say that we have.
[quote][p][bold]ricky[/bold] wrote: just wondering if wycombe fans are calling for peter taylors head seen as they have won once in the last 5 games[/p][/quote]No, but the thing you have to take into consideration is that we know the managers you refer to; Taylor, Knill and Penney, are all good managers and have done well in previous positions. McCall has not yet got any success, as a manager, on his CV. Nobody knows yet if he is even cut out to be a manager? That is the difference. We MAY be flogging a dead horse. Look at Tony Adams. A brilliant defender, a good assistant, but poor as a manager. He looks like he will be fired from his 2nd managerial position before too long. Taylor, Penney and,in particular, Knill have built their squads from scraps and now have players they could sell for millions. Who have we got in our squad that you could say that about? Our biggest asset is definitely O'Brien and he came through the ranks. In fact, he only started due to injury to Heckie. How many of these kids have we got that aren't getting a chance to progress? I think the point I am trying to make is that you cannot compare McCall with those named above as they have success (of a kind) on their CVs and McCall doesn't. Furthermore, they haven't had the resources available that McCall has had. When the transfer window closed at the beginning of the season, McCall said he was delighted with his signings and had got almost all his targets. Obviously we missed out on the lad that signed instead for Scunny and the keeper that joined Lincoln, but we did manage to get Boulding. The players we signed came with big reputations and (I would have thought) big salaries. We should be top or at least near the top and more importantly, PLAYING GOOD FOOTBALL. I can't remember the last time I can honestly say that we have. Waynus

1:05pm Fri 30 Jan 09

Prisoner Cell Block A says...

Rob Steiner is another who was less than impressive at no 9, Ole Bjorn Norwegian was another. Regtop another, there is nothing wrong with baz as a 4th division CF, he scores he holds the ball (sometimes) he gets the odd flick on which is NEVER read and he clears the defensive lines more often than the guys paid to do just that. Something we could do is play 3-5-2 and pack the midfield,to do this the staff would have to be up to the job but I think these guys would work this system for us

Evans

Lee Rehman Clarke

Colbeck Law McLaren Furman O'Brien

Boulding ( perm any one from 3 depending on form/fitness)


And Daley can bring the teas at half-time until he relaises he has to put a shift in for 90 mins and not 9.
Rob Steiner is another who was less than impressive at no 9, Ole Bjorn Norwegian was another. Regtop another, there is nothing wrong with baz as a 4th division CF, he scores he holds the ball (sometimes) he gets the odd flick on which is NEVER read and he clears the defensive lines more often than the guys paid to do just that. Something we could do is play 3-5-2 and pack the midfield,to do this the staff would have to be up to the job but I think these guys would work this system for us Evans Lee Rehman Clarke Colbeck Law McLaren Furman O'Brien Boulding ( perm any one from 3 depending on form/fitness) And Daley can bring the teas at half-time until he relaises he has to put a shift in for 90 mins and not 9. Prisoner Cell Block A

3:24am Sat 31 Jan 09

Bradford1903 says...

Waynus wrote:
Bradford1903 wrote: There appears to be two threads on here today, one about us needing a new striker, and the other questioning McCall's position. As far as the striker situation is concerned, I do agree with those that say we need one. Conlon to me is far more effective when he comes off the bench for the last 20 mins, and we play a bit more direct. I would therefore only consider starting him on rare occasions. With this in mind, I therefore think we need someone else to compete for a starting place with Boulding and Thorne, particularly with the latter's ongoing injury problems. As I've said before, I don't expect us to be paying any money for a player, so if we do bring someone in it will be a loan signing. The transfer window actually shuts on the 2nd Feb, as it has been extended a couple of days with the 31st Jan being on a weekend. What hasn't been mentioned though is that a few weeks later, clubs are once again allowed to bring in loan players. I therefore don't think the need for a striker is as pressing as some might suggest. If we can't get anybody in the next few days, then there will be another opportunity to bring someone in, when the loan market reopens. A new striker will make little difference though, if we can't provide them with some decent service. As far as McCall is concerned, everybody was jumping on the bandwagon the other week, saying he should be given a new contract, and they are now stating he should go. I replied at the time, saying that I thought the jury was still out on Stuart, which I believe it is. I certainly don't think he should be sacked. We are not playing well enough to get in the top 3 at the moment, but this can still be achieved if the team plays to its full potential. I do believe we will at least get into the play offs. It would only be if we fell well adrift of the play off places, like Leeds did, that I would consider getting rid of Stuart. As Rhodes and Lawn aren't going to sack him whatever happens this season, I feel the arguement is irrelevant anyway.
I agree with you regarding the lack of service and I blame McCall for that. Daley has been ineffective as a winger for most of the season, but nothing has been done about it. No service = no goals from our strikers. I agree with you regarding Conlon also and the fact we desperately need a 4th striker. Some on here are still defending the fact the the three we have at present, have score 10+ goals each to date. However, they didn't mention Thorne's injury problems and what we can do when players lose form. I appreciate the loan market re-opens again soon, but that isn't the issue. McCall, nobody else, is happy to continue with just the three strikers. Just a couple of weeks ago, Mark Lawn was interviewed on Radio Leeds. He announced to all that there was some, not a lot, of money available for McCall to spend. Lawn, himself, believed we needed to add to the squad and that McCall had been told money was available. In addition to this, when Billy Topp's contract was terminated, we were told there would be a permanent replacement being brought in at some stage. When is that going to be, at the end of the season? McCall can't see what is wrong on the football pitch and how to put it right. If he can't spot midfield being won and that Bully was not match fit, then where was he looking? At his feet? Was he the only person in the ground that saw just how useless Daley was on Tuesday night? Instead of taking him off, he bl00dy put him up front! No wonder, when he scouts a player like O'Grady, he believes he is the best thing since sliced bread and goes out to sign him! "I do believe we will at least get into the play offs. It would only be if we fell well adrift of the play off places, like Leeds did, that I would consider getting rid of Stuart". The problem with that, is that we have top sides to play in the coming weeks and if we play like we have been doing, we WILL be well adrift in a month's time. How is that going to give anyone new time to come in, assess the players, bring in new loanees and still get us up?
First of all, let me say that I agree with a lot of your recent comments about McCall's tactical difficiencies.

While I said that we could do with a striker, I never said that we were desperate for one. We have coped pretty well so far in just utilising Thorne, Conlon and Boulding. Topp's game time this season when he was with us, wouldn't have amounted to a full 90 minutes.

I think the fact that the loan market re-opens again in a few weeks time is the issue. If we don't get another striker in the next few days, then if we've coped so far with just using Thorne, Boulding and Conlon, then I'm sure we'll "manage" with them for the next few weeks, until it re-opens.

Reading your posts, I obviously don't have as much free time as you to search the net, but has McCall actually said he isn't looking for another striker, if he has then I haven't seen it.

In response to your last question, if we get another striker in, then I don't believe the squad needs strengthening, it is more than good enough to get us up. Yes we've got Darlo and Wycombe coming up, but if we play like we did in the Shrewsbury game, and get that bit of luck that we didn't have, then we can easily beat them.

One final point, when there was the article about giving McCall a new contract, a couple of weeks ago, you agreed and said he was the man for the job. It just shows how opinions and fortunes can change over a short period of time.


[quote][p][bold]Waynus[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bradford1903[/bold] wrote: There appears to be two threads on here today, one about us needing a new striker, and the other questioning McCall's position. As far as the striker situation is concerned, I do agree with those that say we need one. Conlon to me is far more effective when he comes off the bench for the last 20 mins, and we play a bit more direct. I would therefore only consider starting him on rare occasions. With this in mind, I therefore think we need someone else to compete for a starting place with Boulding and Thorne, particularly with the latter's ongoing injury problems. As I've said before, I don't expect us to be paying any money for a player, so if we do bring someone in it will be a loan signing. The transfer window actually shuts on the 2nd Feb, as it has been extended a couple of days with the 31st Jan being on a weekend. What hasn't been mentioned though is that a few weeks later, clubs are once again allowed to bring in loan players. I therefore don't think the need for a striker is as pressing as some might suggest. If we can't get anybody in the next few days, then there will be another opportunity to bring someone in, when the loan market reopens. A new striker will make little difference though, if we can't provide them with some decent service. As far as McCall is concerned, everybody was jumping on the bandwagon the other week, saying he should be given a new contract, and they are now stating he should go. I replied at the time, saying that I thought the jury was still out on Stuart, which I believe it is. I certainly don't think he should be sacked. We are not playing well enough to get in the top 3 at the moment, but this can still be achieved if the team plays to its full potential. I do believe we will at least get into the play offs. It would only be if we fell well adrift of the play off places, like Leeds did, that I would consider getting rid of Stuart. As Rhodes and Lawn aren't going to sack him whatever happens this season, I feel the arguement is irrelevant anyway. [/p][/quote]I agree with you regarding the lack of service and I blame McCall for that. Daley has been ineffective as a winger for most of the season, but nothing has been done about it. No service = no goals from our strikers. I agree with you regarding Conlon also and the fact we desperately need a 4th striker. Some on here are still defending the fact the the three we have at present, have score 10+ goals each to date. However, they didn't mention Thorne's injury problems and what we can do when players lose form. I appreciate the loan market re-opens again soon, but that isn't the issue. McCall, nobody else, is happy to continue with just the three strikers. Just a couple of weeks ago, Mark Lawn was interviewed on Radio Leeds. He announced to all that there was some, not a lot, of money available for McCall to spend. Lawn, himself, believed we needed to add to the squad and that McCall had been told money was available. In addition to this, when Billy Topp's contract was terminated, we were told there would be a permanent replacement being brought in at some stage. When is that going to be, at the end of the season? McCall can't see what is wrong on the football pitch and how to put it right. If he can't spot midfield being won and that Bully was not match fit, then where was he looking? At his feet? Was he the only person in the ground that saw just how useless Daley was on Tuesday night? Instead of taking him off, he bl00dy put him up front! No wonder, when he scouts a player like O'Grady, he believes he is the best thing since sliced bread and goes out to sign him! "I do believe we will at least get into the play offs. It would only be if we fell well adrift of the play off places, like Leeds did, that I would consider getting rid of Stuart". The problem with that, is that we have top sides to play in the coming weeks and if we play like we have been doing, we WILL be well adrift in a month's time. How is that going to give anyone new time to come in, assess the players, bring in new loanees and still get us up? [/p][/quote]First of all, let me say that I agree with a lot of your recent comments about McCall's tactical difficiencies. While I said that we could do with a striker, I never said that we were desperate for one. We have coped pretty well so far in just utilising Thorne, Conlon and Boulding. Topp's game time this season when he was with us, wouldn't have amounted to a full 90 minutes. I think the fact that the loan market re-opens again in a few weeks time is the issue. If we don't get another striker in the next few days, then if we've coped so far with just using Thorne, Boulding and Conlon, then I'm sure we'll "manage" with them for the next few weeks, until it re-opens. Reading your posts, I obviously don't have as much free time as you to search the net, but has McCall actually said he isn't looking for another striker, if he has then I haven't seen it. In response to your last question, if we get another striker in, then I don't believe the squad needs strengthening, it is more than good enough to get us up. Yes we've got Darlo and Wycombe coming up, but if we play like we did in the Shrewsbury game, and get that bit of luck that we didn't have, then we can easily beat them. One final point, when there was the article about giving McCall a new contract, a couple of weeks ago, you agreed and said he was the man for the job. It just shows how opinions and fortunes can change over a short period of time. Bradford1903

11:47am Sat 31 Jan 09

dannbradfc says...

QUOTE BRADFORD 1903 One final point, when there was the article about giving McCall a new contract, a couple of weeks ago, you agreed and said he was the man for the job. It just shows how opinions and fortunes can change over a short period of time.

waynus we have tried to be civil lately but the quote above is both true and highlights how frustrating both you and others can be. Yes you have argued before that everyone is entitled to change their opinion and i agree with you. However it is a very quick turn around on something so important. You had prior to suporting the decision criticised the management team, albeit mainly Wehters, but this Stu out stuff is building momentum and is appears both a kneejerk reaction and fickle. Take the anti-Clarke brigade a short while ago. You may remember that whilst i acknowledged that he wasn't playing well but defended him against some of the criticism. Where are they now??? He still gets some flck from some quarters but because we kept a few clean sheets the majority of critics have disappeared. The point been that too many on here and city fans in general react to the latest result/s in an over the top fashion. They have short term memories and often don't see the bigger picture. My criticism of Baz for instance as been over a long period of time and consistent. We all need to calm down and thats the crux of what Lawn is trying to say with his 'wait till May comments' when i hope you will again have to reconsider your opinion of Stu due to promotion. Fingers and toes crossed.
QUOTE BRADFORD 1903 One final point, when there was the article about giving McCall a new contract, a couple of weeks ago, you agreed and said he was the man for the job. It just shows how opinions and fortunes can change over a short period of time. waynus we have tried to be civil lately but the quote above is both true and highlights how frustrating both you and others can be. Yes you have argued before that everyone is entitled to change their opinion and i agree with you. However it is a very quick turn around on something so important. You had prior to suporting the decision criticised the management team, albeit mainly Wehters, but this Stu out stuff is building momentum and is appears both a kneejerk reaction and fickle. Take the anti-Clarke brigade a short while ago. You may remember that whilst i acknowledged that he wasn't playing well but defended him against some of the criticism. Where are they now??? He still gets some flck from some quarters but because we kept a few clean sheets the majority of critics have disappeared. The point been that too many on here and city fans in general react to the latest result/s in an over the top fashion. They have short term memories and often don't see the bigger picture. My criticism of Baz for instance as been over a long period of time and consistent. We all need to calm down and thats the crux of what Lawn is trying to say with his 'wait till May comments' when i hope you will again have to reconsider your opinion of Stu due to promotion. Fingers and toes crossed. dannbradfc

9:09am Sun 1 Feb 09

Reckless says...

Lancashire Branch wrote:
Stuart just get in that dressing room and remind these players that for most of them it's the last chance that they will get to move up the legue table with a big club and a fantastic support,or will they happy to be playing for Accrington next season,sorry Stanley.
Fire the bullets Stuart and see who falls into line and drop those who don't.
..... actually that's a good call. These players do need reminding that they have the hopes and dreams of all the true fans (worldwide) in their hands and at their feet.

Surely the squad read some of these comments.... we only want what is best for the club & team and have every right to play he11 when we see the players under-performing.
[quote][p][bold]Lancashire Branch[/bold] wrote: Stuart just get in that dressing room and remind these players that for most of them it's the last chance that they will get to move up the legue table with a big club and a fantastic support,or will they happy to be playing for Accrington next season,sorry Stanley. Fire the bullets Stuart and see who falls into line and drop those who don't.[/p][/quote]..... actually that's a good call. These players do need reminding that they have the hopes and dreams of all the true fans (worldwide) in their hands and at their feet. Surely the squad read some of these comments.... we only want what is best for the club & team and have every right to play he11 when we see the players under-performing. Reckless

1:36am Mon 2 Feb 09

Waynus says...

Bradford1903 wrote:
Waynus wrote:
Bradford1903 wrote: There appears to be two threads on here today, one about us needing a new striker, and the other questioning McCall's position. As far as the striker situation is concerned, I do agree with those that say we need one. Conlon to me is far more effective when he comes off the bench for the last 20 mins, and we play a bit more direct. I would therefore only consider starting him on rare occasions. With this in mind, I therefore think we need someone else to compete for a starting place with Boulding and Thorne, particularly with the latter's ongoing injury problems. As I've said before, I don't expect us to be paying any money for a player, so if we do bring someone in it will be a loan signing. The transfer window actually shuts on the 2nd Feb, as it has been extended a couple of days with the 31st Jan being on a weekend. What hasn't been mentioned though is that a few weeks later, clubs are once again allowed to bring in loan players. I therefore don't think the need for a striker is as pressing as some might suggest. If we can't get anybody in the next few days, then there will be another opportunity to bring someone in, when the loan market reopens. A new striker will make little difference though, if we can't provide them with some decent service. As far as McCall is concerned, everybody was jumping on the bandwagon the other week, saying he should be given a new contract, and they are now stating he should go. I replied at the time, saying that I thought the jury was still out on Stuart, which I believe it is. I certainly don't think he should be sacked. We are not playing well enough to get in the top 3 at the moment, but this can still be achieved if the team plays to its full potential. I do believe we will at least get into the play offs. It would only be if we fell well adrift of the play off places, like Leeds did, that I would consider getting rid of Stuart. As Rhodes and Lawn aren't going to sack him whatever happens this season, I feel the arguement is irrelevant anyway.
I agree with you regarding the lack of service and I blame McCall for that. Daley has been ineffective as a winger for most of the season, but nothing has been done about it. No service = no goals from our strikers. I agree with you regarding Conlon also and the fact we desperately need a 4th striker. Some on here are still defending the fact the the three we have at present, have score 10+ goals each to date. However, they didn't mention Thorne's injury problems and what we can do when players lose form. I appreciate the loan market re-opens again soon, but that isn't the issue. McCall, nobody else, is happy to continue with just the three strikers. Just a couple of weeks ago, Mark Lawn was interviewed on Radio Leeds. He announced to all that there was some, not a lot, of money available for McCall to spend. Lawn, himself, believed we needed to add to the squad and that McCall had been told money was available. In addition to this, when Billy Topp's contract was terminated, we were told there would be a permanent replacement being brought in at some stage. When is that going to be, at the end of the season? McCall can't see what is wrong on the football pitch and how to put it right. If he can't spot midfield being won and that Bully was not match fit, then where was he looking? At his feet? Was he the only person in the ground that saw just how useless Daley was on Tuesday night? Instead of taking him off, he bl00dy put him up front! No wonder, when he scouts a player like O'Grady, he believes he is the best thing since sliced bread and goes out to sign him! "I do believe we will at least get into the play offs. It would only be if we fell well adrift of the play off places, like Leeds did, that I would consider getting rid of Stuart". The problem with that, is that we have top sides to play in the coming weeks and if we play like we have been doing, we WILL be well adrift in a month's time. How is that going to give anyone new time to come in, assess the players, bring in new loanees and still get us up?
First of all, let me say that I agree with a lot of your recent comments about McCall's tactical difficiencies.

While I said that we could do with a striker, I never said that we were desperate for one. We have coped pretty well so far in just utilising Thorne, Conlon and Boulding. Topp's game time this season when he was with us, wouldn't have amounted to a full 90 minutes.

I think the fact that the loan market re-opens again in a few weeks time is the issue. If we don't get another striker in the next few days, then if we've coped so far with just using Thorne, Boulding and Conlon, then I'm sure we'll "manage" with them for the next few weeks, until it re-opens.

Reading your posts, I obviously don't have as much free time as you to search the net, but has McCall actually said he isn't looking for another striker, if he has then I haven't seen it.

In response to your last question, if we get another striker in, then I don't believe the squad needs strengthening, it is more than good enough to get us up. Yes we've got Darlo and Wycombe coming up, but if we play like we did in the Shrewsbury game, and get that bit of luck that we didn't have, then we can easily beat them.

One final point, when there was the article about giving McCall a new contract, a couple of weeks ago, you agreed and said he was the man for the job. It just shows how opinions and fortunes can change over a short period of time.


Fair points made, but I would disagree that I said give him a new contract (refer to "Contract talks take back seat for McCall" and you won't find any posts from me agreeing he should be given a new contract). HOWEVER, I did say that I believed he was the right man for the job ("McCall is City's chosen one 9/1/09"), but on the condition he had an experienced man alongside him, preventing the amount of poor decisions made.

In the article, I defended the fact that we had improved on last season. That said, I made it clear that he needed lots of support and was getting it from his coaching staff. The decision to start with Baz and Bully last Tuesday night was a perfect example of why he needs support and guidance.

I am convinced that if I was given the right support, guidance and teaching, I could be a sparky. However, if I don't get any of these, I will probably blow myself up. Same goes for Stuart. He could go on to be a great manager, but without assistance, he will continue making the same mistakes and will never improve enough to be warranted keeping his job.

Although I agreed he was the right man for the job, I didn't say we should offer him a new contract. He has to deserve that right and only getting us promoted warrants that.

We played really well on Saturday and only Daley disappointed. Knowing McCall's recent track record, Boulding, Jones & Furman will be left out on Monday night for Baz, Colbeck & Bully as he knows Darlo are more physical than Grimsby!
[quote][p][bold]Bradford1903[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Waynus[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bradford1903[/bold] wrote: There appears to be two threads on here today, one about us needing a new striker, and the other questioning McCall's position. As far as the striker situation is concerned, I do agree with those that say we need one. Conlon to me is far more effective when he comes off the bench for the last 20 mins, and we play a bit more direct. I would therefore only consider starting him on rare occasions. With this in mind, I therefore think we need someone else to compete for a starting place with Boulding and Thorne, particularly with the latter's ongoing injury problems. As I've said before, I don't expect us to be paying any money for a player, so if we do bring someone in it will be a loan signing. The transfer window actually shuts on the 2nd Feb, as it has been extended a couple of days with the 31st Jan being on a weekend. What hasn't been mentioned though is that a few weeks later, clubs are once again allowed to bring in loan players. I therefore don't think the need for a striker is as pressing as some might suggest. If we can't get anybody in the next few days, then there will be another opportunity to bring someone in, when the loan market reopens. A new striker will make little difference though, if we can't provide them with some decent service. As far as McCall is concerned, everybody was jumping on the bandwagon the other week, saying he should be given a new contract, and they are now stating he should go. I replied at the time, saying that I thought the jury was still out on Stuart, which I believe it is. I certainly don't think he should be sacked. We are not playing well enough to get in the top 3 at the moment, but this can still be achieved if the team plays to its full potential. I do believe we will at least get into the play offs. It would only be if we fell well adrift of the play off places, like Leeds did, that I would consider getting rid of Stuart. As Rhodes and Lawn aren't going to sack him whatever happens this season, I feel the arguement is irrelevant anyway. [/p][/quote]I agree with you regarding the lack of service and I blame McCall for that. Daley has been ineffective as a winger for most of the season, but nothing has been done about it. No service = no goals from our strikers. I agree with you regarding Conlon also and the fact we desperately need a 4th striker. Some on here are still defending the fact the the three we have at present, have score 10+ goals each to date. However, they didn't mention Thorne's injury problems and what we can do when players lose form. I appreciate the loan market re-opens again soon, but that isn't the issue. McCall, nobody else, is happy to continue with just the three strikers. Just a couple of weeks ago, Mark Lawn was interviewed on Radio Leeds. He announced to all that there was some, not a lot, of money available for McCall to spend. Lawn, himself, believed we needed to add to the squad and that McCall had been told money was available. In addition to this, when Billy Topp's contract was terminated, we were told there would be a permanent replacement being brought in at some stage. When is that going to be, at the end of the season? McCall can't see what is wrong on the football pitch and how to put it right. If he can't spot midfield being won and that Bully was not match fit, then where was he looking? At his feet? Was he the only person in the ground that saw just how useless Daley was on Tuesday night? Instead of taking him off, he bl00dy put him up front! No wonder, when he scouts a player like O'Grady, he believes he is the best thing since sliced bread and goes out to sign him! "I do believe we will at least get into the play offs. It would only be if we fell well adrift of the play off places, like Leeds did, that I would consider getting rid of Stuart". The problem with that, is that we have top sides to play in the coming weeks and if we play like we have been doing, we WILL be well adrift in a month's time. How is that going to give anyone new time to come in, assess the players, bring in new loanees and still get us up? [/p][/quote]First of all, let me say that I agree with a lot of your recent comments about McCall's tactical difficiencies. While I said that we could do with a striker, I never said that we were desperate for one. We have coped pretty well so far in just utilising Thorne, Conlon and Boulding. Topp's game time this season when he was with us, wouldn't have amounted to a full 90 minutes. I think the fact that the loan market re-opens again in a few weeks time is the issue. If we don't get another striker in the next few days, then if we've coped so far with just using Thorne, Boulding and Conlon, then I'm sure we'll "manage" with them for the next few weeks, until it re-opens. Reading your posts, I obviously don't have as much free time as you to search the net, but has McCall actually said he isn't looking for another striker, if he has then I haven't seen it. In response to your last question, if we get another striker in, then I don't believe the squad needs strengthening, it is more than good enough to get us up. Yes we've got Darlo and Wycombe coming up, but if we play like we did in the Shrewsbury game, and get that bit of luck that we didn't have, then we can easily beat them. One final point, when there was the article about giving McCall a new contract, a couple of weeks ago, you agreed and said he was the man for the job. It just shows how opinions and fortunes can change over a short period of time. [/p][/quote]Fair points made, but I would disagree that I said give him a new contract (refer to "Contract talks take back seat for McCall" and you won't find any posts from me agreeing he should be given a new contract). HOWEVER, I did say that I believed he was the right man for the job ("McCall is City's chosen one 9/1/09"), but on the condition he had an experienced man alongside him, preventing the amount of poor decisions made. In the article, I defended the fact that we had improved on last season. That said, I made it clear that he needed lots of support and was getting it from his coaching staff. The decision to start with Baz and Bully last Tuesday night was a perfect example of why he needs support and guidance. I am convinced that if I was given the right support, guidance and teaching, I could be a sparky. However, if I don't get any of these, I will probably blow myself up. Same goes for Stuart. He could go on to be a great manager, but without assistance, he will continue making the same mistakes and will never improve enough to be warranted keeping his job. Although I agreed he was the right man for the job, I didn't say we should offer him a new contract. He has to deserve that right and only getting us promoted warrants that. We played really well on Saturday and only Daley disappointed. Knowing McCall's recent track record, Boulding, Jones & Furman will be left out on Monday night for Baz, Colbeck & Bully as he knows Darlo are more physical than Grimsby! Waynus

11:02pm Tue 3 Feb 09

Bradford1903 says...

So he was the right man for the job, but didn't deserve a new contract, yet should be sacked 2 weeks later, I understand.

You mention about the interview he gave on Radio Leeds in another post, but in this he mentioned that Thorne had a slight niggle against Bury, and that's why Conlon started.

What people seem to forget is that Jacob's was McCall's appointment, and he therefore feels that he is the best person to assist him.

I agree with you about obtaining promotion though, I see this as a neccessity.
So he was the right man for the job, but didn't deserve a new contract, yet should be sacked 2 weeks later, I understand. You mention about the interview he gave on Radio Leeds in another post, but in this he mentioned that Thorne had a slight niggle against Bury, and that's why Conlon started. What people seem to forget is that Jacob's was McCall's appointment, and he therefore feels that he is the best person to assist him. I agree with you about obtaining promotion though, I see this as a neccessity. Bradford1903
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