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4:55pm

Fleetwood Town 2 Bradford City 2

Ryan Dickson’s first goal as a City player helped them to a battling point at Fleetwood this afternoon.
The defender came off the bench to score in a much-improved second-half display from the visitors.
Nahki Wells had early equalised just before the break with a stunning free-kick – his 18th goal of the season.
But Fleetwood, who had led through Alan Goodall, grabbed a share of the spoils with a Jon Parkin penalty.
The biggest worry for City was the sight of Rory McArdle on crutches after being subbed. Fans will be hoping that was only a precautionary measure.
Gareth Evans got plenty of stick from the travelling fans – but he had a hand in Fleetwood’s goal after 21 minutes.
Matt Duke made a fine one-handed save from Junior Brown but City did not deal with Evans’ corner and Goodall forced in at the near post.
Fleetwood threatened again through record signing Jamille Matt but Stephen Darby got a vital toe in. Then his strike partner Jamie Allen should have done better with a free header from Goodall’s cross.
City looked too narrow and predictable in response – but then levelled in spectacular fashion just before half-time.
Gary Jones was barged over by Nathan Pond and Wells left keeper Scott Davies rooted to the spot with his 20-yard set-piece.
The momentum swung and City came out a different team for the second half, grabbing the lead seven minutes in.
Dickson, who had replaced McArdle, received Carl McHugh’s pass in plenty of space and he coolly ran in on goal and slotted past Davies.
But Fleetwood hit back after 75 minutes with a penalty from their sub Parkin after James Hanson handled in the box.

4:51pm

Jones gives ball away but Crowther lashes  shot and drives wide.

4:48pm

City win corner as fourth official puts up board for five minutes of added time.

4:47pm

Crowd announced as 3,577 - Fleetwood's third highest of the season. City sold all their 1,400 tickets.

4:44pm

Scare for City as Matt wriggles his way into the box but he opts to pass instead of shoot and Nelson hacks clear.

4:43pm

Jones heads away and Reid has his first chance to run - ended straight away by McKenna. He's booked as Gray replaces Wells.

4:42pm

Goodall's dangerous shot on the turn is blocked in a scrum of players but it's another Fleetwood corner.

4:41pm

Fleetwood win a corner, City need to dig in.

4:38pm

And here comes Reid on for Thompson, 80min

4:38pm

Flurry from Fleetwood comes to nothing but home side have their tails up since second goal.

4:36pm

Hines sits back down and it's Reid stripped and ready to come on.

4:33pm

Up steps PARKIN .... 2-2 just after Duke gets hand to it.

4:32pm

City couldn't clear free-kick and Hanson handles. Penalty for Fleetwood.

4:32pm

Dickson foul on Crowther gives Fleetwood a free-kick five yards outside angle of the box.

4:31pm

Hines ready to come on for City.

4:30pm

Great ball from Brown to release Crowther on right. But his cross is cleared by McHugh under pressure.

4:28pm

Wells caught by Davies as he challenges keeper for loose ball. Striker is hobbling but he's going to carry on.

4:27pm

Nelson long ball is chased by Hanson who tries to take shot on early but gets poor connection.

4:26pm

City furious as Hanson is knocked over by Pond but foul given Fleetwood's way.

4:24pm

But this one smashes into the wall and he gives away a foul trying to win ball back.

4:24pm

City free-kick in same range as first goal. Again Wells over it ...

4:23pm

Keystone Cops defending from City but luckily comes to nothing. Still too many sloppy moments around their own box.

4:21pm

Fleetwood bring on "The Beast" as Jon Parkin replaces Allen.

4:18pm

Fleetwood make their second sub with Beeley suffering from a knock he picked up in the non-penalty call with Wells. On comes McLaughlin.

4:17pm

Bit worrying to see McArdle using crutches as he takes his place in the dug-out.

4:13pm

It was Ryan Dickson's first goal since January last year.

4:13pm

City screaming for a penalty as Wells appears to be manhandled in box but nothing given.

4:11pm

City take the lead after 52 minutes! McHugh's pass finds DICKSON in space on the left and the sub calmly advances on goal before slotting ball past Davies. 2-1 to City.

4:07pm

Jones over-cooks the corner though and it sails over everyone for a throw-in.

4:06pm

Wells shows good skill to send Atkinson away and he wins City's third corner of the afternoon. Away end comes alive.

4:05pm

City concede unnecessary corner as Duke tips behind Nelson's back header but it comes to nothing.

4:03pm

Evans is off, replaced by Ryan Crowther.

4:02pm

City first out for the second half, expect they got orders from the management to buck ideas up.

3:49pm

Great time to score, keeper never moved as free-kick flew in from 20 yards. Half-time 1-1

3:46pm

And City are level with a fantastic free-kick by NAHKI WELLS. Keeper never moved 1-1

3:44pm

Jones on the charge but wrestled to ground by Pond. Skipper lands heavily. He's been the one player to show any real momentum for City.

3:43pm

Parkinson getting angry with fourth official Paul Kettlewell. Doesn't feel City getting any of the 50-50 decisions.

3:41pm

3:41pm

City make a sub with five mins til half-time. McArdle, still struggling from that earlier knock, is replaced by Dickson. So McHugh moves back to centre half alongside Nelson.

3:38pm

Allen fights for room to get in a shot but McArdle takes pace off it and Duke saves comfortably.

3:37pm

Matt curler clears City bar.

3:36pm

City respond with a corner but Pond wins it through crowd of players. Ball comes out for Jones to have a crack and he drills shot wide.

3:35pm

Big chance for Fleetwood as Goodall's cross picks out an unmarked Allen but he heads over bar. Should have been 2-0

3:33pm

Matt breaks through on left from McGuire pass but Darby gets a very important toe in to prevent shot.

3:31pm

He does but Fleetwood skipper Rob Atkinson meets it with firm header. Keeper Scott Davies' ultra-white shirt has still not got dirty

3:30pm

McGuire concedes silly free-kick, chance for Jones to put decent ball into the Fleetwood box.

3:28pm

Surface doesn't help but City playing too direct at times.

3:26pm

Nothing happened in game up to the Duke save and goal. Now City need to pick it up again

3:23pm

Evans inevitably involved with the corner which leads to opening goal.

3:21pm

First chance of game as Goodall finds Brown in room. His shot from 20 yards is turned round post by Duke for Fleetwood corner. And GOODALL scores. 1-0 to Fleetwood.

3:17pm

And he's back on - for now anyway.

3:17pm

At last we've resumed as Evans continues to be looked at on sidelines.

3:16pm

Game stopped while Evans receives more treatment but it doesn't look good for him.

3:15pm

Evans just gone down for second time, clearly got a problem. Not a lot of sympathy from the away end.

3:12pm

McArdle stays down after taking a knock but he's soon able to resume

3:10pm

Evans cuts inside and drills shot which strikes McArdle's hand but referee ignores appeals

3:09pm

Jones kick too deep for Hanson to do anything with and Evans volleys clear of penalty area.

3:09pm

City win first corner of the game.

3:06pm

Good little passage of play from City involving Wells, Thompson, Darby and Atkinson. Eventually Thompson finds room for angled shot wide.

3:04pm

Thompson leaves a slide mark during a tackle. The pitch isn't the best and is going to cut up as game goes on.

3:03pm

"We're all going on a European tour" - that's a chant you don't often hear at City games.

2:59pm

2:52pm

2:51pm

The Wembley chants keep cropping up from away end. And why not ...

2:51pm

2:16pm

Gareth Evans, who stirred up the City fans with his over-enthusiastic goal celebrations at Rotherham earlier this season, is in the Fleetwood starting line-up.

They also include striker Jamille Matt, a £300,000 signing from Kidderminster last month.

It's the same side that beat Oxford here 3-0 last week.

It will be interesting to see the battle between the two 35-year-olds in central midfield, Gary Jones and Paul McKenna.

FLEETWOOD: Davies, Beeley, Atkinson, Pond, Goodall, Brown, McKenna, McGuire, Evans, Allen, Matt. Subs: Barry, Parkin, McLaughlin, Crowther, Ball, Gyorio, Lucas.

 

 

2:06pm

2:06pm

Centre half Michael Nelson makes his debut as City come off their mid-winter league break at sunny Fleetwood this afternoon.

The £30,000 January capture from Kilmarnock replaces Curtis Good, who has been struggling with a sore throat. Carl McHugh moves across to left back.

Phil Parkinson made one more change at right midfield where Garry Thompson takes over from Zavon Hines.

Ryan Dickson is back on the bench after recovering from the tight thigh that forced him to miss Villa Park.

CITY: Duke, Darby, McArdle, Nelson, McHugh, Thompson, Doyle, Jones, Atkinson, Wells, Hanson. Subs: Ravenhill, Reid, Hines, Connell, Gray, Dickson, McLaughlin.

1:50pm

Glorious sunshine at Highbury with not a cloud in the sky. But it's going to get cold later.

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3:53pm Sat 2 Feb 13

Bantam76 says...

Come on City - let's make this second 45 count!!
Come on City - let's make this second 45 count!! Bantam76
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3:55pm Sat 2 Feb 13

Freddy says...

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Still puzzled that Ravenhill seems to be always on the bench?.
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* Still puzzled that Ravenhill seems to be always on the bench?. * Freddy
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3:59pm Sat 2 Feb 13

Victor Clayton says...

Gray not playing!
Gray not playing! Victor Clayton
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5:02pm Sat 2 Feb 13

nowt fresh says...

Think most would ha taken a point before the game,still only 3 points of a play off position with a game in hand.
Think most would ha taken a point before the game,still only 3 points of a play off position with a game in hand. nowt fresh
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5:56pm Sat 2 Feb 13

bahamianbantam says...

Good point - lets hope start of long unbeaten run.
Still no goals from midfiels. Worrying.
Good point - lets hope start of long unbeaten run. Still no goals from midfiels. Worrying. bahamianbantam
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6:41pm Sat 2 Feb 13

bigang02 says...

ref appalling today we could have had 3 pens.a point better than none.keep going lads onwards and upwards
ref appalling today we could have had 3 pens.a point better than none.keep going lads onwards and upwards bigang02
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7:17pm Sat 2 Feb 13

Beeceefcee says...

Onwards and upwards?
Onwards and upwards? Beeceefcee
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7:27pm Sat 2 Feb 13

Pablo says...

The players have had the luxury of a sunshine break and, given the recent dip in league form and resultant loss of ground in the promotion stakes, a draw is a disappointment as we seek to re-establish ourselves.

We know what this squad of players is capable of and it's frustrating to keep dropping points. Admittedly, we just don't seem to be getting the rub of the green with refs in this division.

Interesting that Gray got the nod over Connell when Wells went off. I was busting a gut to see Reid fit again but he's now relegated to a bit part player.
The players have had the luxury of a sunshine break and, given the recent dip in league form and resultant loss of ground in the promotion stakes, a draw is a disappointment as we seek to re-establish ourselves. We know what this squad of players is capable of and it's frustrating to keep dropping points. Admittedly, we just don't seem to be getting the rub of the green with refs in this division. Interesting that Gray got the nod over Connell when Wells went off. I was busting a gut to see Reid fit again but he's now relegated to a bit part player. Pablo
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8:16pm Sat 2 Feb 13

bcfc1903 says...

Once more a joker of an official decides the outcome of the game.....same old same old.

**

We shout with pride...we'll never hide..Claret an Amber.
Once more a joker of an official decides the outcome of the game.....same old same old. ** We shout with pride...we'll never hide..Claret an Amber. bcfc1903
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11:02pm Sat 2 Feb 13

fatbloke says...

to be fair, Gray hadnt played much before he joined us and hasnt played much since he arrived with cup games and bad weather so no surprise he wasnt involved today when our 'match fit' players have had a decent rest

I am sure we would have all taken a point at Fleetwood at the start of the season, lets not let our recent success increase our expectations
to be fair, Gray hadnt played much before he joined us and hasnt played much since he arrived with cup games and bad weather so no surprise he wasnt involved today when our 'match fit' players have had a decent rest I am sure we would have all taken a point at Fleetwood at the start of the season, lets not let our recent success increase our expectations fatbloke
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4:46am Sun 3 Feb 13

Plastic Bantam says...

Ref was terrible today.... how he didn't give that first penalty (which was pretty much a mugging) I'll never know.

But City were poor today, no width and Gary Jones just couldn't cross a ball or pass today (not like him)

Can understand why he didn't start with Hines or Reid as the pitch was small and we were away. Think we missed an opportunity today though, Fleetwood were there for the taking....

Think both teams were equally poor today, but a point is a point & Duke was fairly unlucky!!!

We need to start picking up 3 points quickly!!!!!!
Ref was terrible today.... how he didn't give that first penalty (which was pretty much a mugging) I'll never know. But City were poor today, no width and Gary Jones just couldn't cross a ball or pass today (not like him) Can understand why he didn't start with Hines or Reid as the pitch was small and we were away. Think we missed an opportunity today though, Fleetwood were there for the taking.... Think both teams were equally poor today, but a point is a point & Duke was fairly unlucky!!! We need to start picking up 3 points quickly!!!!!! Plastic Bantam
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8:53am Sun 3 Feb 13

Go Torps! Yer flying. says...

Its only a cup (etc, etc,) but I see Swansea conceded a headed goal by a big cenre forward, from a corner...
Its only a cup (etc, etc,) but I see Swansea conceded a headed goal by a big cenre forward, from a corner... Go Torps! Yer flying.
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10:42am Sun 3 Feb 13

1 bingley bantam says...

A point isnt too bad but bit frustrated that Reid isnt starting surely hes fit now.I confess Atkinson can run all day and has surpassed my expectations but once again he aint a winger so how he gets to start on the wing in front of reid baffles me on his day reid has to be one of the best players in this division.We persist playing wingers that cant really cross leaving Hanson up front feeding off scraps we are too narrow yes when you have to be cautious understandable but in this league most games we should be going for it a bit more imo..
A point isnt too bad but bit frustrated that Reid isnt starting surely hes fit now.I confess Atkinson can run all day and has surpassed my expectations but once again he aint a winger so how he gets to start on the wing in front of reid baffles me on his day reid has to be one of the best players in this division.We persist playing wingers that cant really cross leaving Hanson up front feeding off scraps we are too narrow yes when you have to be cautious understandable but in this league most games we should be going for it a bit more imo.. 1 bingley bantam
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11:02am Sun 3 Feb 13

audal says...

As i wasn't there i cannot comment on the quality of the team's performance, BUT once again my pet hate crops up and it is that a C.F. handles the ball in his own area thus conceding a penalty,he should be upfield waiting for the clearance. this applies to all who play in that position.
As i wasn't there i cannot comment on the quality of the team's performance, BUT once again my pet hate crops up and it is that a C.F. handles the ball in his own area thus conceding a penalty,he should be upfield waiting for the clearance. this applies to all who play in that position. audal
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11:10am Sun 3 Feb 13

macca1969 says...

Have to agree audal why Hanson was doing the hokey cokey in his own area is laughable. Can't complain was a stone wall penalty terrible one to give away but I would of taken a point at the start so no harm done
Have to agree audal why Hanson was doing the hokey cokey in his own area is laughable. Can't complain was a stone wall penalty terrible one to give away but I would of taken a point at the start so no harm done macca1969
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4:12pm Sun 3 Feb 13

Victor Clayton says...

audal wrote:
As i wasn't there i cannot comment on the quality of the team's performance, BUT once again my pet hate crops up and it is that a C.F. handles the ball in his own area thus conceding a penalty,he should be upfield waiting for the clearance. this applies to all who play in that position.
Is Hanson's toe better? Thought Gray might have started.
[quote][p][bold]audal[/bold] wrote: As i wasn't there i cannot comment on the quality of the team's performance, BUT once again my pet hate crops up and it is that a C.F. handles the ball in his own area thus conceding a penalty,he should be upfield waiting for the clearance. this applies to all who play in that position.[/p][/quote]Is Hanson's toe better? Thought Gray might have started. Victor Clayton
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5:11pm Sun 3 Feb 13

audal says...

TO ALL ROMANTICS--- we are nearer the bottom of the league than the top, so enjoy all that is before you, ie. Wembley but we will be going back to crappy places next season again. So just enjoy the greatest since 1911.
TO ALL ROMANTICS--- we are nearer the bottom of the league than the top, so enjoy all that is before you, ie. Wembley but we will be going back to crappy places next season again. So just enjoy the greatest since 1911. audal
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7:55pm Sun 3 Feb 13

macca1969 says...

audal wrote:
TO ALL ROMANTICS--- we are nearer the bottom of the league than the top, so enjoy all that is before you, ie. Wembley but we will be going back to crappy places next season again. So just enjoy the greatest since 1911.
Yawn
[quote][p][bold]audal[/bold] wrote: TO ALL ROMANTICS--- we are nearer the bottom of the league than the top, so enjoy all that is before you, ie. Wembley but we will be going back to crappy places next season again. So just enjoy the greatest since 1911.[/p][/quote]Yawn macca1969
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11:46pm Sun 3 Feb 13

tyker2 says...

why cannot teams be a bit radical when defending cornes etc :put three up front. wells and Hanson plus one other.preferably a wide man like Hines or Reid. Thought City's team looked a bit defensive with no real width
why cannot teams be a bit radical when defending cornes etc :put three up front. wells and Hanson plus one other.preferably a wide man like Hines or Reid. Thought City's team looked a bit defensive with no real width tyker2
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12:01am Mon 4 Feb 13

bcfc1903 says...

If.. as it seems... that some officals don't give BCFC decisions to prove they wont be swayed by large vociferous away support with the official having one eye on future promotion to officiating in the higher leagues...how is that official doing his job correctly...surely a penalty is a penalty whether there are 4 away fans at the match appealing for it given or 1400 doing exactly the same. It seems ludicrous if this is actually happening...as seems the case....also if that official mind set is in place, BCFC wont get a fair crack at home either.
If.. as it seems... that some officals don't give BCFC decisions to prove they wont be swayed by large vociferous away support with the official having one eye on future promotion to officiating in the higher leagues...how is that official doing his job correctly...surely a penalty is a penalty whether there are 4 away fans at the match appealing for it given or 1400 doing exactly the same. It seems ludicrous if this is actually happening...as seems the case....also if that official mind set is in place, BCFC wont get a fair crack at home either. bcfc1903
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9:56am Mon 4 Feb 13

KnightMcCall says...

bcfc1903 wrote:
If.. as it seems... that some officals don't give BCFC decisions to prove they wont be swayed by large vociferous away support with the official having one eye on future promotion to officiating in the higher leagues...how is that official doing his job correctly...surely a penalty is a penalty whether there are 4 away fans at the match appealing for it given or 1400 doing exactly the same. It seems ludicrous if this is actually happening...as seems the case....also if that official mind set is in place, BCFC wont get a fair crack at home either.
It's funny you say that. I thought the ref was a homer all day long and gave the pen BECAUSE the Fleetwood fans demanded one. Yes the ball hit his hand but it cannot be a penalty unless it is deliberate. Given that Hanson didn't have a clue that he'd done it then it cannot be deliberate and cannot be given. Just because the clowns who call themselves pundits come out with nonsense about "his hands shouldn't be up there" or i've seen them given" is utterly irrelevant. BALL TO HAND IS NOT A PEN
[quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: If.. as it seems... that some officals don't give BCFC decisions to prove they wont be swayed by large vociferous away support with the official having one eye on future promotion to officiating in the higher leagues...how is that official doing his job correctly...surely a penalty is a penalty whether there are 4 away fans at the match appealing for it given or 1400 doing exactly the same. It seems ludicrous if this is actually happening...as seems the case....also if that official mind set is in place, BCFC wont get a fair crack at home either.[/p][/quote]It's funny you say that. I thought the ref was a homer all day long and gave the pen BECAUSE the Fleetwood fans demanded one. Yes the ball hit his hand but it cannot be a penalty unless it is deliberate. Given that Hanson didn't have a clue that he'd done it then it cannot be deliberate and cannot be given. Just because the clowns who call themselves pundits come out with nonsense about "his hands shouldn't be up there" or i've seen them given" is utterly irrelevant. BALL TO HAND IS NOT A PEN KnightMcCall
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1:19pm Mon 4 Feb 13

bcfc1903 says...

KnightMcCall wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote:
If.. as it seems... that some officals don't give BCFC decisions to prove they wont be swayed by large vociferous away support with the official having one eye on future promotion to officiating in the higher leagues...how is that official doing his job correctly...surely a penalty is a penalty whether there are 4 away fans at the match appealing for it given or 1400 doing exactly the same. It seems ludicrous if this is actually happening...as seems the case....also if that official mind set is in place, BCFC wont get a fair crack at home either.
It's funny you say that. I thought the ref was a homer all day long and gave the pen BECAUSE the Fleetwood fans demanded one. Yes the ball hit his hand but it cannot be a penalty unless it is deliberate. Given that Hanson didn't have a clue that he'd done it then it cannot be deliberate and cannot be given. Just because the clowns who call themselves pundits come out with nonsense about "his hands shouldn't be up there" or i've seen them given" is utterly irrelevant. BALL TO HAND IS NOT A PEN
Yeah..i 've seen the incident....for me it's a call that could have gone either way, but very harsh...the odd thing regarding BCFC in the fourth division is that it seems officials look at our club and seem to have a mind set of 'i wont be swayed' which is ludicrous..there mind set should be 'i'll officiate the game correctly' whether it be BCFC, Accrington or Barnet ..anything else penalises BCFC, if 1400 BCFC fans scream for a penalty and it is a penalty..give it..not as it seems at the minute 'oh i can't i maybe being swayed by the crowd'...if they..the officials. can't see that the crowd is an irrevelance regarding correct decisions....god help our football club.
[quote][p][bold]KnightMcCall[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: If.. as it seems... that some officals don't give BCFC decisions to prove they wont be swayed by large vociferous away support with the official having one eye on future promotion to officiating in the higher leagues...how is that official doing his job correctly...surely a penalty is a penalty whether there are 4 away fans at the match appealing for it given or 1400 doing exactly the same. It seems ludicrous if this is actually happening...as seems the case....also if that official mind set is in place, BCFC wont get a fair crack at home either.[/p][/quote]It's funny you say that. I thought the ref was a homer all day long and gave the pen BECAUSE the Fleetwood fans demanded one. Yes the ball hit his hand but it cannot be a penalty unless it is deliberate. Given that Hanson didn't have a clue that he'd done it then it cannot be deliberate and cannot be given. Just because the clowns who call themselves pundits come out with nonsense about "his hands shouldn't be up there" or i've seen them given" is utterly irrelevant. BALL TO HAND IS NOT A PEN[/p][/quote]Yeah..i 've seen the incident....for me it's a call that could have gone either way, but very harsh...the odd thing regarding BCFC in the fourth division is that it seems officials look at our club and seem to have a mind set of 'i wont be swayed' which is ludicrous..there mind set should be 'i'll officiate the game correctly' whether it be BCFC, Accrington or Barnet ..anything else penalises BCFC, if 1400 BCFC fans scream for a penalty and it is a penalty..give it..not as it seems at the minute 'oh i can't i maybe being swayed by the crowd'...if they..the officials. can't see that the crowd is an irrevelance regarding correct decisions....god help our football club. bcfc1903
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1:37pm Mon 4 Feb 13

Waynus1971 says...

KnightMcCall wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote: If.. as it seems... that some officals don't give BCFC decisions to prove they wont be swayed by large vociferous away support with the official having one eye on future promotion to officiating in the higher leagues...how is that official doing his job correctly...surely a penalty is a penalty whether there are 4 away fans at the match appealing for it given or 1400 doing exactly the same. It seems ludicrous if this is actually happening...as seems the case....also if that official mind set is in place, BCFC wont get a fair crack at home either.
It's funny you say that. I thought the ref was a homer all day long and gave the pen BECAUSE the Fleetwood fans demanded one. Yes the ball hit his hand but it cannot be a penalty unless it is deliberate. Given that Hanson didn't have a clue that he'd done it then it cannot be deliberate and cannot be given. Just because the clowns who call themselves pundits come out with nonsense about "his hands shouldn't be up there" or i've seen them given" is utterly irrelevant. BALL TO HAND IS NOT A PEN
Had the exact same argument with my brother yesterday. I even texted him the official rulebook and an attachment that refs are to use when deciding of the infringement was 'deliberate' or not. He refused to accept and claimed some by-laws that refs are to follow in relation to hands not being in a natural position.

I was at the game and when the ball came across the box, their fans claimed a push by Hanson. This automatically prompted the big man to stick his hands up (as if to say to the ref, "I'm not touching him"). The fella then strikes the ball against Hanson's hands and the penalty was awarded.

The rules do state 'ball-to-hand (not the other way around)', 'distance of ball to hand' (it was about a yard away) and whether the hands/arms were in an unnatural position (This can only be what it was awarded for).

One thing I will add. Hanson is well over 6ft and had his hands above his head. From a yard away, their player strikes Hanson's hand with the ball. If the trajectory of the ball was to be followed, the ball would have gone out of play. It was clearly unintentional and that is what the referee is ultimately responsible for trying to determine.

But why are we surprised. I recall one incident in the 2nd half when their player smashed Hanson across the face with his forearm/elbow. The freekick was rightly given ...... but to them!!!!!!

The bloke was just plain incompetent....!
[quote][p][bold]KnightMcCall[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: If.. as it seems... that some officals don't give BCFC decisions to prove they wont be swayed by large vociferous away support with the official having one eye on future promotion to officiating in the higher leagues...how is that official doing his job correctly...surely a penalty is a penalty whether there are 4 away fans at the match appealing for it given or 1400 doing exactly the same. It seems ludicrous if this is actually happening...as seems the case....also if that official mind set is in place, BCFC wont get a fair crack at home either.[/p][/quote]It's funny you say that. I thought the ref was a homer all day long and gave the pen BECAUSE the Fleetwood fans demanded one. Yes the ball hit his hand but it cannot be a penalty unless it is deliberate. Given that Hanson didn't have a clue that he'd done it then it cannot be deliberate and cannot be given. Just because the clowns who call themselves pundits come out with nonsense about "his hands shouldn't be up there" or i've seen them given" is utterly irrelevant. BALL TO HAND IS NOT A PEN[/p][/quote]Had the exact same argument with my brother yesterday. I even texted him the official rulebook and an attachment that refs are to use when deciding of the infringement was 'deliberate' or not. He refused to accept and claimed some by-laws that refs are to follow in relation to hands not being in a natural position. I was at the game and when the ball came across the box, their fans claimed a push by Hanson. This automatically prompted the big man to stick his hands up (as if to say to the ref, "I'm not touching him"). The fella then strikes the ball against Hanson's hands and the penalty was awarded. The rules do state 'ball-to-hand (not the other way around)', 'distance of ball to hand' (it was about a yard away) and whether the hands/arms were in an unnatural position (This can only be what it was awarded for). One thing I will add. Hanson is well over 6ft and had his hands above his head. From a yard away, their player strikes Hanson's hand with the ball. If the trajectory of the ball was to be followed, the ball would have gone out of play. It was clearly unintentional and that is what the referee is ultimately responsible for trying to determine. But why are we surprised. I recall one incident in the 2nd half when their player smashed Hanson across the face with his forearm/elbow. The freekick was rightly given ...... but to them!!!!!! The bloke was just plain incompetent....! Waynus1971
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8:06pm Mon 4 Feb 13

Victor Clayton says...

So if all the players in a wall stand still but will their arms up, and the free kick is blocked by an arm. It's not a foul!
So if all the players in a wall stand still but will their arms up, and the free kick is blocked by an arm. It's not a foul! Victor Clayton
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8:11pm Mon 4 Feb 13

Victor Clayton says...

Victor Clayton wrote:
So if all the players in a wall stand still but will their arms up, and the free kick is blocked by an arm. It's not a foul!
Forget I said that!
[quote][p][bold]Victor Clayton[/bold] wrote: So if all the players in a wall stand still but will their arms up, and the free kick is blocked by an arm. It's not a foul![/p][/quote]Forget I said that! Victor Clayton
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