Parkinson dangles Wembley carrot to Bradford City players in bid to reignite league form

PICK ME, PICK ME: City’s cup heroes crave a place in the starting XI at Wembley

PICK ME, PICK ME: City’s cup heroes crave a place in the starting XI at Wembley

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Phil Parkinson will send his Wembley-hungry City players back into the league fray with the challenge: Show me why you should play in the cup final.

The Bantams boss admits it will be impossible to get his team to banish any thoughts about next month’s Capital One showdown with Swansea. So instead he will use the February 24 showpiece as the perfect incentive to revive the promotion bid.

Tomorrow’s planned home clash with Wycombe fell victim to the weather but there are still a run of crucial League Two matches before Wembley. They will also all double as dress rehearsals to earn a coveted starting role for the biggest date in the club’s recent history.

Parkinson said: “People talk about keeping your minds on the league and not letting the cup distract us. But there are places up for grabs.

“You can only be honest in the selection and that’s what we’ll continue to do.

“We’ve got to play well and obviously we pick the team based on how people are playing.

“Of course there’s going to be an element of people talking to us about Wembley. We’re not going to hide away from that.

“It’s going to be impossible and I would be foolish to expect that to happen.”

"What we’ve achieved and the media spotlight is quite remarkable. All the back pages have been dominated by Bradford City.

“But we’re going to do our best to focus on what the next few weeks bring.”

As City try to return to reality following their Villa Park heroics, Parkinson praised the way that everyone has handled their new-found fame.

“We don’t like any pretentiousness or people being over the top. I’m probably as proud of the way the lads have conducted themselves as the performance itself.

“Everyone at the club has been grounded. It’s important you conduct yourselves well in the spotlight and it reflects what we’re all about.

“What we have done is testament to honesty and hard work. It’s almost like a throwback.

“In the days of players earning fortunes, we’ve got a team of lads on short-term contracts, not on great salaries, but prepared to run, chase, tackle and fight for every ball.

“They’ve been like that since day one of pre-season and I think it’s refreshing. The whole of football has found that watching our performances against Premier League teams.”

James Hanson has become a reluctant national celebrity after his goal. Parkinson has been thrilled to see the striker’s name in lights but feels the contribution of those not directly involved on Tuesday is just as worthy of praise. He said: “James typifies what we’re about. With a lot of strikers I’ve worked with in the past, everything has got to revolve around them but he’s not like that.

“At the other end of the spectrum, Gary Jones is symptomatic of the team and inspires people around him.

“But equally the ones who didn’t start on Tuesday did their part. As we’ve said all along this season, different people have stepped up to grab the headlines.

“It could be Kyel Reid, Alan Connell, Ricky Ravenhill, Blair Turgott, Ritchie Jones, Garry Thompson – by rights any one of those could have been involved.

“Those players could be the headlines in the league games coming up – or even the final at Wembley. There are players who are very unfortunate not to be in the team and they have to be ready.

“We notice everything and one of the big things I saw on Tuesday was the way those lads who didn’t start all responded terrifically well. It was as if they had played.

“That’s important to us and the lads who were out there appreciate that. Our team is very close and lots could play.

“It was a really tough game the other night. When those flags were waving before kick-off and the atmosphere was building, I knew it would be a real test.”

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7:09am Fri 25 Jan 13

Harrogate Bantam says...

PP shouldn’t worry I imagine that his Troops will be giving it 110% in Matches, especially now the Club is on a high why wouldn’t they.
C’mon City!
PP shouldn’t worry I imagine that his Troops will be giving it 110% in Matches, especially now the Club is on a high why wouldn’t they. C’mon City! Harrogate Bantam
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8:50am Fri 25 Jan 13

"get over it!" says...

RE- THE NATIONAL EXPRESS WEMBLEY SPECIAL SERVICE.
I SPOKE TO THEM AND GOT GIVEN A DIFFERENT ANSWER.
THE WORDING ON THE WEBSITE CAN BE READ IN 2 DIFFERENT WAYS. IT CAN BE READ AS 45 MINS AFTER FINAL WHISTLE, IF YOU THINK THATS 90 MINS NORMAL PLAY THEN THIS WOULD BE 6.30PM BUT 45 MINS AFTER THE 'FINAL' WHISTLE IS AFTER EXTRA TIME AND PENS. ITS 45 MINS AFTER WHICH EVER SITUATION THE GAME ENDS. HENCE THE WORD REGUARDLESS.
I WAS TOLD THIS HAS ALWAYS BEEN THE CASE WITH THE WEMBLEY SPECIALS, FA CUP AND LEAGUE CUP LAST YEAR AND FA TROPHY.
BAD WORDING AND WILL PROBABLY BE AMMENDED. THEY USUALLY TAKE AROUND 500 FANS ON THE SERVICE AND I SUPPOSE THEY WOULDNT BOOK WITHOUT THE AET AND PENALTY GUARANTEE.
RE- THE NATIONAL EXPRESS WEMBLEY SPECIAL SERVICE. I SPOKE TO THEM AND GOT GIVEN A DIFFERENT ANSWER. THE WORDING ON THE WEBSITE CAN BE READ IN 2 DIFFERENT WAYS. IT CAN BE READ AS 45 MINS AFTER FINAL WHISTLE, IF YOU THINK THATS 90 MINS NORMAL PLAY THEN THIS WOULD BE 6.30PM BUT 45 MINS AFTER THE 'FINAL' WHISTLE IS AFTER EXTRA TIME AND PENS. ITS 45 MINS AFTER WHICH EVER SITUATION THE GAME ENDS. HENCE THE WORD REGUARDLESS. I WAS TOLD THIS HAS ALWAYS BEEN THE CASE WITH THE WEMBLEY SPECIALS, FA CUP AND LEAGUE CUP LAST YEAR AND FA TROPHY. BAD WORDING AND WILL PROBABLY BE AMMENDED. THEY USUALLY TAKE AROUND 500 FANS ON THE SERVICE AND I SUPPOSE THEY WOULDNT BOOK WITHOUT THE AET AND PENALTY GUARANTEE. "get over it!"
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9:38am Fri 25 Jan 13

dannbradfc says...

Parkinson has always impressed me when using the media. Contrast it too Taylor for instance and you can see why we have a galvanised team with spirit.

Never once has Parkinson hid behind excuses of injuries etc (again unlike the "crap-one"). Quite rightly you praise the players Mr. Parkinson but you should also pat yourself on the back for the professional and also clever use of the media.......
Parkinson has always impressed me when using the media. Contrast it too Taylor for instance and you can see why we have a galvanised team with spirit. Never once has Parkinson hid behind excuses of injuries etc (again unlike the "crap-one"). Quite rightly you praise the players Mr. Parkinson but you should also pat yourself on the back for the professional and also clever use of the media....... dannbradfc
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10:23am Fri 25 Jan 13

Peter300 says...

dannbradfc wrote:
Parkinson has always impressed me when using the media. Contrast it too Taylor for instance and you can see why we have a galvanised team with spirit. Never once has Parkinson hid behind excuses of injuries etc (again unlike the "crap-one"). Quite rightly you praise the players Mr. Parkinson but you should also pat yourself on the back for the professional and also clever use of the media.......
It's OK to say that now, but I'm sure you were one of those calling for Phil Parkinson to be sacked last season. That's correct isn't it? It's all about results and the circumstances at the time. You should have supported the manager last season.
[quote][p][bold]dannbradfc[/bold] wrote: Parkinson has always impressed me when using the media. Contrast it too Taylor for instance and you can see why we have a galvanised team with spirit. Never once has Parkinson hid behind excuses of injuries etc (again unlike the "crap-one"). Quite rightly you praise the players Mr. Parkinson but you should also pat yourself on the back for the professional and also clever use of the media.......[/p][/quote]It's OK to say that now, but I'm sure you were one of those calling for Phil Parkinson to be sacked last season. That's correct isn't it? It's all about results and the circumstances at the time. You should have supported the manager last season. Peter300
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10:24am Fri 25 Jan 13

Peter300 says...

"get over it!" wrote:
RE- THE NATIONAL EXPRESS WEMBLEY SPECIAL SERVICE. I SPOKE TO THEM AND GOT GIVEN A DIFFERENT ANSWER. THE WORDING ON THE WEBSITE CAN BE READ IN 2 DIFFERENT WAYS. IT CAN BE READ AS 45 MINS AFTER FINAL WHISTLE, IF YOU THINK THATS 90 MINS NORMAL PLAY THEN THIS WOULD BE 6.30PM BUT 45 MINS AFTER THE 'FINAL' WHISTLE IS AFTER EXTRA TIME AND PENS. ITS 45 MINS AFTER WHICH EVER SITUATION THE GAME ENDS. HENCE THE WORD REGUARDLESS. I WAS TOLD THIS HAS ALWAYS BEEN THE CASE WITH THE WEMBLEY SPECIALS, FA CUP AND LEAGUE CUP LAST YEAR AND FA TROPHY. BAD WORDING AND WILL PROBABLY BE AMMENDED. THEY USUALLY TAKE AROUND 500 FANS ON THE SERVICE AND I SUPPOSE THEY WOULDNT BOOK WITHOUT THE AET AND PENALTY GUARANTEE.
I hope you can all hear this person. Can you speak up a bit please?
[quote][p][bold]"get over it!"[/bold] wrote: RE- THE NATIONAL EXPRESS WEMBLEY SPECIAL SERVICE. I SPOKE TO THEM AND GOT GIVEN A DIFFERENT ANSWER. THE WORDING ON THE WEBSITE CAN BE READ IN 2 DIFFERENT WAYS. IT CAN BE READ AS 45 MINS AFTER FINAL WHISTLE, IF YOU THINK THATS 90 MINS NORMAL PLAY THEN THIS WOULD BE 6.30PM BUT 45 MINS AFTER THE 'FINAL' WHISTLE IS AFTER EXTRA TIME AND PENS. ITS 45 MINS AFTER WHICH EVER SITUATION THE GAME ENDS. HENCE THE WORD REGUARDLESS. I WAS TOLD THIS HAS ALWAYS BEEN THE CASE WITH THE WEMBLEY SPECIALS, FA CUP AND LEAGUE CUP LAST YEAR AND FA TROPHY. BAD WORDING AND WILL PROBABLY BE AMMENDED. THEY USUALLY TAKE AROUND 500 FANS ON THE SERVICE AND I SUPPOSE THEY WOULDNT BOOK WITHOUT THE AET AND PENALTY GUARANTEE.[/p][/quote]I hope you can all hear this person. Can you speak up a bit please? Peter300
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10:28am Fri 25 Jan 13

Peter300 says...

I'd just like to THANK!!!!!......shau
n the DEADBEAT form RICHMOND!!!!!!!!!!..
. for kindly donating money to Bradford CITY!!!!!!!!!.......
.It is so generous of him to give money to CITY!!!!!!!!......be
cause he does not support the directors, manager or players and NEVER has done!!!!!!!!!!!.....
....shaun plays GOLF you know.......isn't he clever!!!!
I'd just like to THANK!!!!!......shau n the DEADBEAT form RICHMOND!!!!!!!!!!.. . for kindly donating money to Bradford CITY!!!!!!!!!....... .It is so generous of him to give money to CITY!!!!!!!!......be cause he does not support the directors, manager or players and NEVER has done!!!!!!!!!!!..... ....shaun plays GOLF you know.......isn't he clever!!!! Peter300
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10:30am Fri 25 Jan 13

s.b.c says...

dannbradfc wrote:
Parkinson has always impressed me when using the media. Contrast it too Taylor for instance and you can see why we have a galvanised team with spirit.

Never once has Parkinson hid behind excuses of injuries etc (again unlike the "crap-one"). Quite rightly you praise the players Mr. Parkinson but you should also pat yourself on the back for the professional and also clever use of the media.......
Good Post,

Whenever interviewed P.P. always tells it as it is.

Comes across as a most unassuming character.

Have the utmost respect for him. Hope he achieves success.
[quote][p][bold]dannbradfc[/bold] wrote: Parkinson has always impressed me when using the media. Contrast it too Taylor for instance and you can see why we have a galvanised team with spirit. Never once has Parkinson hid behind excuses of injuries etc (again unlike the "crap-one"). Quite rightly you praise the players Mr. Parkinson but you should also pat yourself on the back for the professional and also clever use of the media.......[/p][/quote]Good Post, Whenever interviewed P.P. always tells it as it is. Comes across as a most unassuming character. Have the utmost respect for him. Hope he achieves success. s.b.c
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10:43am Fri 25 Jan 13

BANT MAN says...

I just hope Parky will sign a new contract soon because I worry it's starting to play on the minds of the players and the supporters! Would be great to have this sorted before Wembley! It would galvanize the whole club right before one of our biggest days in our history! "Come on Parky, Get your pen out!"

(Also, Grayson is going to Blackpool so we don't need to worry about those Manager Vultures! lol)
I just hope Parky will sign a new contract soon because I worry it's starting to play on the minds of the players and the supporters! Would be great to have this sorted before Wembley! It would galvanize the whole club right before one of our biggest days in our history! "Come on Parky, Get your pen out!" (Also, Grayson is going to Blackpool so we don't need to worry about those Manager Vultures! lol) BANT MAN
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11:50am Fri 25 Jan 13

Birky_Neil says...

We should of done a pitch inspection at half ten tomorrow just like they did!
We should of done a pitch inspection at half ten tomorrow just like they did! Birky_Neil
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12:13pm Fri 25 Jan 13

Prisoner Cell Block A says...

Peter300 wrote:
dannbradfc wrote:
Parkinson has always impressed me when using the media. Contrast it too Taylor for instance and you can see why we have a galvanised team with spirit. Never once has Parkinson hid behind excuses of injuries etc (again unlike the "crap-one"). Quite rightly you praise the players Mr. Parkinson but you should also pat yourself on the back for the professional and also clever use of the media.......
It's OK to say that now, but I'm sure you were one of those calling for Phil Parkinson to be sacked last season. That's correct isn't it? It's all about results and the circumstances at the time. You should have supported the manager last season.
What a tool.

An absolute idiot who has still not posted one worthwhile comment regarding the team or the club. Be it a negative with supporting opinion or a positive, also with supporting opinion or fact.

Why do you bother?
[quote][p][bold]Peter300[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dannbradfc[/bold] wrote: Parkinson has always impressed me when using the media. Contrast it too Taylor for instance and you can see why we have a galvanised team with spirit. Never once has Parkinson hid behind excuses of injuries etc (again unlike the "crap-one"). Quite rightly you praise the players Mr. Parkinson but you should also pat yourself on the back for the professional and also clever use of the media.......[/p][/quote]It's OK to say that now, but I'm sure you were one of those calling for Phil Parkinson to be sacked last season. That's correct isn't it? It's all about results and the circumstances at the time. You should have supported the manager last season.[/p][/quote]What a tool. An absolute idiot who has still not posted one worthwhile comment regarding the team or the club. Be it a negative with supporting opinion or a positive, also with supporting opinion or fact. Why do you bother? Prisoner Cell Block A
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12:46pm Fri 25 Jan 13

robush says...

Not sure how true it is according to Richard keys of talk sport parkys representatives want to put his contract talks on back burner until after final, and who can blame him as his stock is rising, can't help thinking this should have been sorted well before arsenal game, according to t&a it was parky who prompted discussions, I was surprised his contract only had 6 months left, llawn and Rhodes would definitely have been extending so why leave it, looks like we have done a boo boo on the face of it, I know contracts can easily be broken but they do lead to a higher compensation, hope I'm wrong but unless we offer parky a cracking package I think he will be on his way come end of season
Not sure how true it is according to Richard keys of talk sport parkys representatives want to put his contract talks on back burner until after final, and who can blame him as his stock is rising, can't help thinking this should have been sorted well before arsenal game, according to t&a it was parky who prompted discussions, I was surprised his contract only had 6 months left, llawn and Rhodes would definitely have been extending so why leave it, looks like we have done a boo boo on the face of it, I know contracts can easily be broken but they do lead to a higher compensation, hope I'm wrong but unless we offer parky a cracking package I think he will be on his way come end of season robush
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1:03pm Fri 25 Jan 13

KnightMcCall says...

Peter300 wrote:
I'd just like to THANK!!!!!......shau

n the DEADBEAT form RICHMOND!!!!!!!!!!..

. for kindly donating money to Bradford CITY!!!!!!!!!.......

.It is so generous of him to give money to CITY!!!!!!!!......be

cause he does not support the directors, manager or players and NEVER has done!!!!!!!!!!!.....

....shaun plays GOLF you know.......isn't he clever!!!!
Seriously Peter, even as one of Shaun's biggest critics; this is just getting tedious. These forums would be boring if we didn't get contrasting views. You've made your point; many, many times now please give it a rest.
[quote][p][bold]Peter300[/bold] wrote: I'd just like to THANK!!!!!......shau n the DEADBEAT form RICHMOND!!!!!!!!!!.. . for kindly donating money to Bradford CITY!!!!!!!!!....... .It is so generous of him to give money to CITY!!!!!!!!......be cause he does not support the directors, manager or players and NEVER has done!!!!!!!!!!!..... ....shaun plays GOLF you know.......isn't he clever!!!![/p][/quote]Seriously Peter, even as one of Shaun's biggest critics; this is just getting tedious. These forums would be boring if we didn't get contrasting views. You've made your point; many, many times now please give it a rest. KnightMcCall
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1:07pm Fri 25 Jan 13

balbrigganfc says...

I predicted last year, when City where struggling, and many where calling for Parkys head to roll, that he would turn around Citys fortunes!

Nobody makes predictions like me Nobody!
I predicted last year, when City where struggling, and many where calling for Parkys head to roll, that he would turn around Citys fortunes! Nobody makes predictions like me Nobody! balbrigganfc
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1:08pm Fri 25 Jan 13

Prisoner Cell Block A says...

Other scenario is:

We win COC, qualify for Europa League, get promotion.

He has his wage trebled, a bigger playing budget and L1 football with a team he has completely built himself.

I go by the old facts that none of us outside of football clubs really know the truth about the goings on in the boardroom and corridors of power at our club nor any other club.
We all have someone we know who claims to be ITK but rarely do they or us have 'true fact' at our hands.

I am sure Richard Keys is the same, he will have picked up on some nugget of info here or there and as he is on t'radio his voice carries a bit more weight than 'the bloke in the pub said..'

Obviously none of my comment here is fact or even fiction, I'm just hypothesising that any change in situation or circumstance can happen which may turn any persons head one way or another.
Other scenario is: We win COC, qualify for Europa League, get promotion. He has his wage trebled, a bigger playing budget and L1 football with a team he has completely built himself. I go by the old facts that none of us outside of football clubs really know the truth about the goings on in the boardroom and corridors of power at our club nor any other club. We all have someone we know who claims to be ITK but rarely do they or us have 'true fact' at our hands. I am sure Richard Keys is the same, he will have picked up on some nugget of info here or there and as he is on t'radio his voice carries a bit more weight than 'the bloke in the pub said..' Obviously none of my comment here is fact or even fiction, I'm just hypothesising that any change in situation or circumstance can happen which may turn any persons head one way or another. Prisoner Cell Block A
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1:10pm Fri 25 Jan 13

KnightMcCall says...

robush wrote:
Not sure how true it is according to Richard keys of talk sport parkys representatives want to put his contract talks on back burner until after final, and who can blame him as his stock is rising, can't help thinking this should have been sorted well before arsenal game, according to t&a it was parky who prompted discussions, I was surprised his contract only had 6 months left, llawn and Rhodes would definitely have been extending so why leave it, looks like we have done a boo boo on the face of it, I know contracts can easily be broken but they do lead to a higher compensation, hope I'm wrong but unless we offer parky a cracking package I think he will be on his way come end of season
PP has done a tremendous job but the way that Manager's are treated by football clubs and also the way some managers treat football clubs make it impossible to know the right way of going. I don't personally think City should ever have a manager with a contract longer than two years as we cannot afford to be paying them out if we want to get rid. I would offer PP what s affordable and then leave it upto him. Let's face it; we CANNOT compete financially with Championship teams so if PP wants to go then it is not in our hands.

Please don't be having a go at the club with 20-20 hindsight. This wasn't exactly predictable and right up the Arsenal game there were plenty of PP critics after every failure to win.

If PP leaves then he should leave with our thanks and best wishes as he has genuinely given us our pride in BCFC back. (I hope he doesn't leave by the way).
[quote][p][bold]robush[/bold] wrote: Not sure how true it is according to Richard keys of talk sport parkys representatives want to put his contract talks on back burner until after final, and who can blame him as his stock is rising, can't help thinking this should have been sorted well before arsenal game, according to t&a it was parky who prompted discussions, I was surprised his contract only had 6 months left, llawn and Rhodes would definitely have been extending so why leave it, looks like we have done a boo boo on the face of it, I know contracts can easily be broken but they do lead to a higher compensation, hope I'm wrong but unless we offer parky a cracking package I think he will be on his way come end of season[/p][/quote]PP has done a tremendous job but the way that Manager's are treated by football clubs and also the way some managers treat football clubs make it impossible to know the right way of going. I don't personally think City should ever have a manager with a contract longer than two years as we cannot afford to be paying them out if we want to get rid. I would offer PP what s affordable and then leave it upto him. Let's face it; we CANNOT compete financially with Championship teams so if PP wants to go then it is not in our hands. Please don't be having a go at the club with 20-20 hindsight. This wasn't exactly predictable and right up the Arsenal game there were plenty of PP critics after every failure to win. If PP leaves then he should leave with our thanks and best wishes as he has genuinely given us our pride in BCFC back. (I hope he doesn't leave by the way). KnightMcCall
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2:11pm Fri 25 Jan 13

gspot01 says...

I've always been critical of all professional sportsmen - especially footballers - for not having their head on the next game. BUT I now understand the emotions of it are impossible to ignore. I've experienced some massive nights has a City fan but nothing like this - the Wolves match comes close but the difference is that the squad we had at that time made that achievable ......what these guys have just done isn't achievable!!!!!! The emotional ride I've been on since Tuesday night is unbelievable. Since I got back to my office on Thursday morning I've been useless and have thought about nothing else other then Wembley and now I feel pretty flat to be honest. I know I am a lifelong fan but what the players have achieved is unbelievable so how must they be feleing?
I've always been critical of all professional sportsmen - especially footballers - for not having their head on the next game. BUT I now understand the emotions of it are impossible to ignore. I've experienced some massive nights has a City fan but nothing like this - the Wolves match comes close but the difference is that the squad we had at that time made that achievable ......what these guys have just done isn't achievable!!!!!! The emotional ride I've been on since Tuesday night is unbelievable. Since I got back to my office on Thursday morning I've been useless and have thought about nothing else other then Wembley and now I feel pretty flat to be honest. I know I am a lifelong fan but what the players have achieved is unbelievable so how must they be feleing? gspot01
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2:37pm Fri 25 Jan 13

Cityman23 says...

balbrigganfc wrote:
I predicted last year, when City where struggling, and many where calling for Parkys head to roll, that he would turn around Citys fortunes!

Nobody makes predictions like me Nobody!
What's your prediction for the final result of the cup final?

Are City going to win the cup?

Don't wait until AFTER the game to tell us!!
[quote][p][bold]balbrigganfc[/bold] wrote: I predicted last year, when City where struggling, and many where calling for Parkys head to roll, that he would turn around Citys fortunes! Nobody makes predictions like me Nobody![/p][/quote]What's your prediction for the final result of the cup final? Are City going to win the cup? Don't wait until AFTER the game to tell us!! Cityman23
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2:52pm Fri 25 Jan 13

nowt fresh says...

KnightMcCall wrote:
robush wrote: Not sure how true it is according to Richard keys of talk sport parkys representatives want to put his contract talks on back burner until after final, and who can blame him as his stock is rising, can't help thinking this should have been sorted well before arsenal game, according to t&a it was parky who prompted discussions, I was surprised his contract only had 6 months left, llawn and Rhodes would definitely have been extending so why leave it, looks like we have done a boo boo on the face of it, I know contracts can easily be broken but they do lead to a higher compensation, hope I'm wrong but unless we offer parky a cracking package I think he will be on his way come end of season
PP has done a tremendous job but the way that Manager's are treated by football clubs and also the way some managers treat football clubs make it impossible to know the right way of going. I don't personally think City should ever have a manager with a contract longer than two years as we cannot afford to be paying them out if we want to get rid. I would offer PP what s affordable and then leave it upto him. Let's face it; we CANNOT compete financially with Championship teams so if PP wants to go then it is not in our hands. Please don't be having a go at the club with 20-20 hindsight. This wasn't exactly predictable and right up the Arsenal game there were plenty of PP critics after every failure to win. If PP leaves then he should leave with our thanks and best wishes as he has genuinely given us our pride in BCFC back. (I hope he doesn't leave by the way).
Bang on the money KnightMcCall Phil Parkinson knows exactly what potential his/our club has, the mans no fool he has two chairmen who are Bradford City fans who have given him all he has requested? I'm sure (if he has an agent) they will get the best they can for him (and themselves) but it say's it all when he was not even prepared to discuss the Blackpool job, we as fans know very little of the inside running of a football club obviously Phil Parkinson knew enough to side step Blackpool for whatever reason and long may it continue..!!
[quote][p][bold]KnightMcCall[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]robush[/bold] wrote: Not sure how true it is according to Richard keys of talk sport parkys representatives want to put his contract talks on back burner until after final, and who can blame him as his stock is rising, can't help thinking this should have been sorted well before arsenal game, according to t&a it was parky who prompted discussions, I was surprised his contract only had 6 months left, llawn and Rhodes would definitely have been extending so why leave it, looks like we have done a boo boo on the face of it, I know contracts can easily be broken but they do lead to a higher compensation, hope I'm wrong but unless we offer parky a cracking package I think he will be on his way come end of season[/p][/quote]PP has done a tremendous job but the way that Manager's are treated by football clubs and also the way some managers treat football clubs make it impossible to know the right way of going. I don't personally think City should ever have a manager with a contract longer than two years as we cannot afford to be paying them out if we want to get rid. I would offer PP what s affordable and then leave it upto him. Let's face it; we CANNOT compete financially with Championship teams so if PP wants to go then it is not in our hands. Please don't be having a go at the club with 20-20 hindsight. This wasn't exactly predictable and right up the Arsenal game there were plenty of PP critics after every failure to win. If PP leaves then he should leave with our thanks and best wishes as he has genuinely given us our pride in BCFC back. (I hope he doesn't leave by the way).[/p][/quote]Bang on the money KnightMcCall Phil Parkinson knows exactly what potential his/our club has, the mans no fool he has two chairmen who are Bradford City fans who have given him all he has requested? I'm sure (if he has an agent) they will get the best they can for him (and themselves) but it say's it all when he was not even prepared to discuss the Blackpool job, we as fans know very little of the inside running of a football club obviously Phil Parkinson knew enough to side step Blackpool for whatever reason and long may it continue..!! nowt fresh
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3:03pm Fri 25 Jan 13

tyker2 says...

Birky_Neil wrote:
We should of done a pitch inspection at half ten tomorrow just like they did!
and have to pay their travel and hotel expenses. Nose and spite come to mind: great idea mate
[quote][p][bold]Birky_Neil[/bold] wrote: We should of done a pitch inspection at half ten tomorrow just like they did![/p][/quote]and have to pay their travel and hotel expenses. Nose and spite come to mind: great idea mate tyker2
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6:16pm Fri 25 Jan 13

macca1969 says...

gspot01 wrote:
I've always been critical of all professional sportsmen - especially footballers - for not having their head on the next game. BUT I now understand the emotions of it are impossible to ignore. I've experienced some massive nights has a City fan but nothing like this - the Wolves match comes close but the difference is that the squad we had at that time made that achievable ......what these guys have just done isn't achievable!!!!!! The emotional ride I've been on since Tuesday night is unbelievable. Since I got back to my office on Thursday morning I've been useless and have thought about nothing else other then Wembley and now I feel pretty flat to be honest. I know I am a lifelong fan but what the players have achieved is unbelievable so how must they be feleing?
Very true, I get fed up if hearing how the players should be fit enough to play twice a week. They are but after some massive performance it is obviously going to be tough mentally as we have at times found out this season. We have yet to win on the Saturday after a big cup game. Coincidence no mental fatigue yes
[quote][p][bold]gspot01[/bold] wrote: I've always been critical of all professional sportsmen - especially footballers - for not having their head on the next game. BUT I now understand the emotions of it are impossible to ignore. I've experienced some massive nights has a City fan but nothing like this - the Wolves match comes close but the difference is that the squad we had at that time made that achievable ......what these guys have just done isn't achievable!!!!!! The emotional ride I've been on since Tuesday night is unbelievable. Since I got back to my office on Thursday morning I've been useless and have thought about nothing else other then Wembley and now I feel pretty flat to be honest. I know I am a lifelong fan but what the players have achieved is unbelievable so how must they be feleing?[/p][/quote]Very true, I get fed up if hearing how the players should be fit enough to play twice a week. They are but after some massive performance it is obviously going to be tough mentally as we have at times found out this season. We have yet to win on the Saturday after a big cup game. Coincidence no mental fatigue yes macca1969
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6:20pm Fri 25 Jan 13

macca1969 says...

Peter300 wrote:
dannbradfc wrote:
Parkinson has always impressed me when using the media. Contrast it too Taylor for instance and you can see why we have a galvanised team with spirit. Never once has Parkinson hid behind excuses of injuries etc (again unlike the "crap-one"). Quite rightly you praise the players Mr. Parkinson but you should also pat yourself on the back for the professional and also clever use of the media.......
It's OK to say that now, but I'm sure you were one of those calling for Phil Parkinson to be sacked last season. That's correct isn't it? It's all about results and the circumstances at the time. You should have supported the manager last season.
As when you falsely accused me of the same you are wrong about dann. He never called for PP to be sacked only Taylor as I myself did. He questioned his decisions at times as I did and others but not once called for him to be sacked. Its called debate Peter and maybe you should try ut sometimes instead if all you boring dribble.
[quote][p][bold]Peter300[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dannbradfc[/bold] wrote: Parkinson has always impressed me when using the media. Contrast it too Taylor for instance and you can see why we have a galvanised team with spirit. Never once has Parkinson hid behind excuses of injuries etc (again unlike the "crap-one"). Quite rightly you praise the players Mr. Parkinson but you should also pat yourself on the back for the professional and also clever use of the media.......[/p][/quote]It's OK to say that now, but I'm sure you were one of those calling for Phil Parkinson to be sacked last season. That's correct isn't it? It's all about results and the circumstances at the time. You should have supported the manager last season.[/p][/quote]As when you falsely accused me of the same you are wrong about dann. He never called for PP to be sacked only Taylor as I myself did. He questioned his decisions at times as I did and others but not once called for him to be sacked. Its called debate Peter and maybe you should try ut sometimes instead if all you boring dribble. macca1969
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6:54pm Fri 25 Jan 13

tinytoonster says...

balbrigganfc wrote:
I predicted last year, when City where struggling, and many where calling for Parkys head to roll, that he would turn around Citys fortunes!

Nobody makes predictions like me Nobody!
if we lose the final, dont get promoted, he will be off.
predict what we do then!!
by the way, apart from cup form is quite poor.
good manager but lets see where we are in may.....
[quote][p][bold]balbrigganfc[/bold] wrote: I predicted last year, when City where struggling, and many where calling for Parkys head to roll, that he would turn around Citys fortunes! Nobody makes predictions like me Nobody![/p][/quote]if we lose the final, dont get promoted, he will be off. predict what we do then!! by the way, apart from cup form is quite poor. good manager but lets see where we are in may..... tinytoonster
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7:27pm Fri 25 Jan 13

lonniejockstrap says...

macca1969 wrote:
gspot01 wrote:
I've always been critical of all professional sportsmen - especially footballers - for not having their head on the next game. BUT I now understand the emotions of it are impossible to ignore. I've experienced some massive nights has a City fan but nothing like this - the Wolves match comes close but the difference is that the squad we had at that time made that achievable ......what these guys have just done isn't achievable!!!!!! The emotional ride I've been on since Tuesday night is unbelievable. Since I got back to my office on Thursday morning I've been useless and have thought about nothing else other then Wembley and now I feel pretty flat to be honest. I know I am a lifelong fan but what the players have achieved is unbelievable so how must they be feleing?
Very true, I get fed up if hearing how the players should be fit enough to play twice a week. They are but after some massive performance it is obviously going to be tough mentally as we have at times found out this season. We have yet to win on the Saturday after a big cup game. Coincidence no mental fatigue yes
But surely the requirement of anyone performing and competing at professional level in a sport is that they are able to handle the psychological demands of their profession -which in the case of a professional footballer must be minuscule. They are doing something they love (or they'd go do something else) and are part of the entertainment business. They are waited on hand and foot and when compared to many other folk are well paid -even in league 2.

They are not putting their lives at risk and are being almost worshipped by thousands of supporters. If that is what amounts to some sort of negative psychological stress resulting in a drop in performance then they shouldn't be in the professional game. They are probable experiencing the pinnacle of their careers, lets not make excuses for any dip in form being due to them having the best experience of their professional careers.

I do not accept that being fortunate enough to be going through such a fantastic experience as those City players are at the moment is an excuse for not being up to it mentally when playing against league 2 opponents. If their lives/safety had been under constant threat or they had been responsible for other peoples lives or safety for weeks on end I would have a lot of sympathy with the 'mental fatigue argument but they weren't and they haven't. I find it incredible that sportsmen in such a privileged and molly coddled position could be thought to be suffering from mental fatigue.
[quote][p][bold]macca1969[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gspot01[/bold] wrote: I've always been critical of all professional sportsmen - especially footballers - for not having their head on the next game. BUT I now understand the emotions of it are impossible to ignore. I've experienced some massive nights has a City fan but nothing like this - the Wolves match comes close but the difference is that the squad we had at that time made that achievable ......what these guys have just done isn't achievable!!!!!! The emotional ride I've been on since Tuesday night is unbelievable. Since I got back to my office on Thursday morning I've been useless and have thought about nothing else other then Wembley and now I feel pretty flat to be honest. I know I am a lifelong fan but what the players have achieved is unbelievable so how must they be feleing?[/p][/quote]Very true, I get fed up if hearing how the players should be fit enough to play twice a week. They are but after some massive performance it is obviously going to be tough mentally as we have at times found out this season. We have yet to win on the Saturday after a big cup game. Coincidence no mental fatigue yes[/p][/quote]But surely the requirement of anyone performing and competing at professional level in a sport is that they are able to handle the psychological demands of their profession -which in the case of a professional footballer must be minuscule. They are doing something they love (or they'd go do something else) and are part of the entertainment business. They are waited on hand and foot and when compared to many other folk are well paid -even in league 2. They are not putting their lives at risk and are being almost worshipped by thousands of supporters. If that is what amounts to some sort of negative psychological stress resulting in a drop in performance then they shouldn't be in the professional game. They are probable experiencing the pinnacle of their careers, lets not make excuses for any dip in form being due to them having the best experience of their professional careers. I do not accept that being fortunate enough to be going through such a fantastic experience as those City players are at the moment is an excuse for not being up to it mentally when playing against league 2 opponents. If their lives/safety had been under constant threat or they had been responsible for other peoples lives or safety for weeks on end I would have a lot of sympathy with the 'mental fatigue argument but they weren't and they haven't. I find it incredible that sportsmen in such a privileged and molly coddled position could be thought to be suffering from mental fatigue. lonniejockstrap
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7:43pm Fri 25 Jan 13

Birky_Neil says...

Think if phil was gonna go he would of taken the Blackpool job!
He knows there is something special here at the club and he has set the foundations down to greater things.
Why leave?
Yes he deserves more money which he will get but why leave a club that have fans who finally respect the manager and a good squad built by the manger.
Stay phil as your gonna wake this sleeping giant again!
Think if phil was gonna go he would of taken the Blackpool job! He knows there is something special here at the club and he has set the foundations down to greater things. Why leave? Yes he deserves more money which he will get but why leave a club that have fans who finally respect the manager and a good squad built by the manger. Stay phil as your gonna wake this sleeping giant again! Birky_Neil
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8:04pm Fri 25 Jan 13

Whoisevans? says...

"get over it!" wrote:
RE- THE NATIONAL EXPRESS WEMBLEY SPECIAL SERVICE.
I SPOKE TO THEM AND GOT GIVEN A DIFFERENT ANSWER.
THE WORDING ON THE WEBSITE CAN BE READ IN 2 DIFFERENT WAYS. IT CAN BE READ AS 45 MINS AFTER FINAL WHISTLE, IF YOU THINK THATS 90 MINS NORMAL PLAY THEN THIS WOULD BE 6.30PM BUT 45 MINS AFTER THE 'FINAL' WHISTLE IS AFTER EXTRA TIME AND PENS. ITS 45 MINS AFTER WHICH EVER SITUATION THE GAME ENDS. HENCE THE WORD REGUARDLESS.
I WAS TOLD THIS HAS ALWAYS BEEN THE CASE WITH THE WEMBLEY SPECIALS, FA CUP AND LEAGUE CUP LAST YEAR AND FA TROPHY.
BAD WORDING AND WILL PROBABLY BE AMMENDED. THEY USUALLY TAKE AROUND 500 FANS ON THE SERVICE AND I SUPPOSE THEY WOULDNT BOOK WITHOUT THE AET AND PENALTY GUARANTEE.
Book travel with the club along with tickets. T&A are advertising reasonable weekend stays £85 that is good for a weekend away in London with a free evening to catch a show or have a night on the Town. Don't over do it though don't want you to miss the match lol
[quote][p][bold]"get over it!"[/bold] wrote: RE- THE NATIONAL EXPRESS WEMBLEY SPECIAL SERVICE. I SPOKE TO THEM AND GOT GIVEN A DIFFERENT ANSWER. THE WORDING ON THE WEBSITE CAN BE READ IN 2 DIFFERENT WAYS. IT CAN BE READ AS 45 MINS AFTER FINAL WHISTLE, IF YOU THINK THATS 90 MINS NORMAL PLAY THEN THIS WOULD BE 6.30PM BUT 45 MINS AFTER THE 'FINAL' WHISTLE IS AFTER EXTRA TIME AND PENS. ITS 45 MINS AFTER WHICH EVER SITUATION THE GAME ENDS. HENCE THE WORD REGUARDLESS. I WAS TOLD THIS HAS ALWAYS BEEN THE CASE WITH THE WEMBLEY SPECIALS, FA CUP AND LEAGUE CUP LAST YEAR AND FA TROPHY. BAD WORDING AND WILL PROBABLY BE AMMENDED. THEY USUALLY TAKE AROUND 500 FANS ON THE SERVICE AND I SUPPOSE THEY WOULDNT BOOK WITHOUT THE AET AND PENALTY GUARANTEE.[/p][/quote]Book travel with the club along with tickets. T&A are advertising reasonable weekend stays £85 that is good for a weekend away in London with a free evening to catch a show or have a night on the Town. Don't over do it though don't want you to miss the match lol Whoisevans?
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8:10pm Fri 25 Jan 13

Whoisevans? says...

Birky_Neil wrote:
We should of done a pitch inspection at half ten tomorrow just like they did!
Understand the point but we can't complain and then do the same as them.
[quote][p][bold]Birky_Neil[/bold] wrote: We should of done a pitch inspection at half ten tomorrow just like they did![/p][/quote]Understand the point but we can't complain and then do the same as them. Whoisevans?
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8:20pm Fri 25 Jan 13

Whoisevans? says...

Birky_Neil wrote:
Think if phil was gonna go he would of taken the Blackpool job!
He knows there is something special here at the club and he has set the foundations down to greater things.
Why leave?
Yes he deserves more money which he will get but why leave a club that have fans who finally respect the manager and a good squad built by the manger.
Stay phil as your gonna wake this sleeping giant again!
Why Neil? Blackpool have sacked 2 managers already this season out of the fat in to the fire is the fraze I believe.
[quote][p][bold]Birky_Neil[/bold] wrote: Think if phil was gonna go he would of taken the Blackpool job! He knows there is something special here at the club and he has set the foundations down to greater things. Why leave? Yes he deserves more money which he will get but why leave a club that have fans who finally respect the manager and a good squad built by the manger. Stay phil as your gonna wake this sleeping giant again![/p][/quote]Why Neil? Blackpool have sacked 2 managers already this season out of the fat in to the fire is the fraze I believe. Whoisevans?
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8:21pm Fri 25 Jan 13

Whoisevans? says...

Phrase got it as soon as I posted mental block lol
Phrase got it as soon as I posted mental block lol Whoisevans?
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8:41pm Fri 25 Jan 13

gspot01 says...

lonniejockstrap wrote:
macca1969 wrote:
gspot01 wrote:
I've always been critical of all professional sportsmen - especially footballers - for not having their head on the next game. BUT I now understand the emotions of it are impossible to ignore. I've experienced some massive nights has a City fan but nothing like this - the Wolves match comes close but the difference is that the squad we had at that time made that achievable ......what these guys have just done isn't achievable!!!!!! The emotional ride I've been on since Tuesday night is unbelievable. Since I got back to my office on Thursday morning I've been useless and have thought about nothing else other then Wembley and now I feel pretty flat to be honest. I know I am a lifelong fan but what the players have achieved is unbelievable so how must they be feleing?
Very true, I get fed up if hearing how the players should be fit enough to play twice a week. They are but after some massive performance it is obviously going to be tough mentally as we have at times found out this season. We have yet to win on the Saturday after a big cup game. Coincidence no mental fatigue yes
But surely the requirement of anyone performing and competing at professional level in a sport is that they are able to handle the psychological demands of their profession -which in the case of a professional footballer must be minuscule. They are doing something they love (or they'd go do something else) and are part of the entertainment business. They are waited on hand and foot and when compared to many other folk are well paid -even in league 2.

They are not putting their lives at risk and are being almost worshipped by thousands of supporters. If that is what amounts to some sort of negative psychological stress resulting in a drop in performance then they shouldn't be in the professional game. They are probable experiencing the pinnacle of their careers, lets not make excuses for any dip in form being due to them having the best experience of their professional careers.

I do not accept that being fortunate enough to be going through such a fantastic experience as those City players are at the moment is an excuse for not being up to it mentally when playing against league 2 opponents. If their lives/safety had been under constant threat or they had been responsible for other peoples lives or safety for weeks on end I would have a lot of sympathy with the 'mental fatigue argument but they weren't and they haven't. I find it incredible that sportsmen in such a privileged and molly coddled position could be thought to be suffering from mental fatigue.
I accept your points and I'm not making any excuses for potential drops in performance but if i had a big meeting or presentation to do in my line of work over the past couple of days I would have been absolutely useless - different scenario yes, but it's a very similar .....maybe because I have a much bigger emotional attachment to City then the players have??

.
Take the Oxford game for example after the Villa home leg and the players and us fans were as flat as I can ever remember. Highs are always followed by lows in terms of feelings/emotion which is natural so maybe players can suffer from a dip in mental attitude/performance
?? It goes without saying that I hope they don't and that is part of Parky's job.

.
[quote][p][bold]lonniejockstrap[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]macca1969[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gspot01[/bold] wrote: I've always been critical of all professional sportsmen - especially footballers - for not having their head on the next game. BUT I now understand the emotions of it are impossible to ignore. I've experienced some massive nights has a City fan but nothing like this - the Wolves match comes close but the difference is that the squad we had at that time made that achievable ......what these guys have just done isn't achievable!!!!!! The emotional ride I've been on since Tuesday night is unbelievable. Since I got back to my office on Thursday morning I've been useless and have thought about nothing else other then Wembley and now I feel pretty flat to be honest. I know I am a lifelong fan but what the players have achieved is unbelievable so how must they be feleing?[/p][/quote]Very true, I get fed up if hearing how the players should be fit enough to play twice a week. They are but after some massive performance it is obviously going to be tough mentally as we have at times found out this season. We have yet to win on the Saturday after a big cup game. Coincidence no mental fatigue yes[/p][/quote]But surely the requirement of anyone performing and competing at professional level in a sport is that they are able to handle the psychological demands of their profession -which in the case of a professional footballer must be minuscule. They are doing something they love (or they'd go do something else) and are part of the entertainment business. They are waited on hand and foot and when compared to many other folk are well paid -even in league 2. They are not putting their lives at risk and are being almost worshipped by thousands of supporters. If that is what amounts to some sort of negative psychological stress resulting in a drop in performance then they shouldn't be in the professional game. They are probable experiencing the pinnacle of their careers, lets not make excuses for any dip in form being due to them having the best experience of their professional careers. I do not accept that being fortunate enough to be going through such a fantastic experience as those City players are at the moment is an excuse for not being up to it mentally when playing against league 2 opponents. If their lives/safety had been under constant threat or they had been responsible for other peoples lives or safety for weeks on end I would have a lot of sympathy with the 'mental fatigue argument but they weren't and they haven't. I find it incredible that sportsmen in such a privileged and molly coddled position could be thought to be suffering from mental fatigue.[/p][/quote]I accept your points and I'm not making any excuses for potential drops in performance but if i had a big meeting or presentation to do in my line of work over the past couple of days I would have been absolutely useless - different scenario yes, but it's a very similar .....maybe because I have a much bigger emotional attachment to City then the players have?? . Take the Oxford game for example after the Villa home leg and the players and us fans were as flat as I can ever remember. Highs are always followed by lows in terms of feelings/emotion which is natural so maybe players can suffer from a dip in mental attitude/performance ?? It goes without saying that I hope they don't and that is part of Parky's job. . gspot01
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9:07pm Fri 25 Jan 13

macca1969 says...

gspot01 wrote:
lonniejockstrap wrote:
macca1969 wrote:
gspot01 wrote:
I've always been critical of all professional sportsmen - especially footballers - for not having their head on the next game. BUT I now understand the emotions of it are impossible to ignore. I've experienced some massive nights has a City fan but nothing like this - the Wolves match comes close but the difference is that the squad we had at that time made that achievable ......what these guys have just done isn't achievable!!!!!! The emotional ride I've been on since Tuesday night is unbelievable. Since I got back to my office on Thursday morning I've been useless and have thought about nothing else other then Wembley and now I feel pretty flat to be honest. I know I am a lifelong fan but what the players have achieved is unbelievable so how must they be feleing?
Very true, I get fed up if hearing how the players should be fit enough to play twice a week. They are but after some massive performance it is obviously going to be tough mentally as we have at times found out this season. We have yet to win on the Saturday after a big cup game. Coincidence no mental fatigue yes
But surely the requirement of anyone performing and competing at professional level in a sport is that they are able to handle the psychological demands of their profession -which in the case of a professional footballer must be minuscule. They are doing something they love (or they'd go do something else) and are part of the entertainment business. They are waited on hand and foot and when compared to many other folk are well paid -even in league 2.

They are not putting their lives at risk and are being almost worshipped by thousands of supporters. If that is what amounts to some sort of negative psychological stress resulting in a drop in performance then they shouldn't be in the professional game. They are probable experiencing the pinnacle of their careers, lets not make excuses for any dip in form being due to them having the best experience of their professional careers.

I do not accept that being fortunate enough to be going through such a fantastic experience as those City players are at the moment is an excuse for not being up to it mentally when playing against league 2 opponents. If their lives/safety had been under constant threat or they had been responsible for other peoples lives or safety for weeks on end I would have a lot of sympathy with the 'mental fatigue argument but they weren't and they haven't. I find it incredible that sportsmen in such a privileged and molly coddled position could be thought to be suffering from mental fatigue.
I accept your points and I'm not making any excuses for potential drops in performance but if i had a big meeting or presentation to do in my line of work over the past couple of days I would have been absolutely useless - different scenario yes, but it's a very similar .....maybe because I have a much bigger emotional attachment to City then the players have??

.
Take the Oxford game for example after the Villa home leg and the players and us fans were as flat as I can ever remember. Highs are always followed by lows in terms of feelings/emotion which is natural so maybe players can suffer from a dip in mental attitude/performance

?? It goes without saying that I hope they don't and that is part of Parky's job.

.
I know what your saying Lonnie but facts are facts. A lot of champion league teams suffer from poor performances after a big game,so its not just our players. Maybe its the media side which our players aren't used too, lets be honest all the players have been on everything from sky five live talk sport not to mention the tabloids. I suppose the players who have had to perform at a level well above themselves knowing one mistake could be fatal weren't blessed with your mental toughness. Well I for one can forgive them and believe parky will still whip them up for the run in
[quote][p][bold]gspot01[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lonniejockstrap[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]macca1969[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gspot01[/bold] wrote: I've always been critical of all professional sportsmen - especially footballers - for not having their head on the next game. BUT I now understand the emotions of it are impossible to ignore. I've experienced some massive nights has a City fan but nothing like this - the Wolves match comes close but the difference is that the squad we had at that time made that achievable ......what these guys have just done isn't achievable!!!!!! The emotional ride I've been on since Tuesday night is unbelievable. Since I got back to my office on Thursday morning I've been useless and have thought about nothing else other then Wembley and now I feel pretty flat to be honest. I know I am a lifelong fan but what the players have achieved is unbelievable so how must they be feleing?[/p][/quote]Very true, I get fed up if hearing how the players should be fit enough to play twice a week. They are but after some massive performance it is obviously going to be tough mentally as we have at times found out this season. We have yet to win on the Saturday after a big cup game. Coincidence no mental fatigue yes[/p][/quote]But surely the requirement of anyone performing and competing at professional level in a sport is that they are able to handle the psychological demands of their profession -which in the case of a professional footballer must be minuscule. They are doing something they love (or they'd go do something else) and are part of the entertainment business. They are waited on hand and foot and when compared to many other folk are well paid -even in league 2. They are not putting their lives at risk and are being almost worshipped by thousands of supporters. If that is what amounts to some sort of negative psychological stress resulting in a drop in performance then they shouldn't be in the professional game. They are probable experiencing the pinnacle of their careers, lets not make excuses for any dip in form being due to them having the best experience of their professional careers. I do not accept that being fortunate enough to be going through such a fantastic experience as those City players are at the moment is an excuse for not being up to it mentally when playing against league 2 opponents. If their lives/safety had been under constant threat or they had been responsible for other peoples lives or safety for weeks on end I would have a lot of sympathy with the 'mental fatigue argument but they weren't and they haven't. I find it incredible that sportsmen in such a privileged and molly coddled position could be thought to be suffering from mental fatigue.[/p][/quote]I accept your points and I'm not making any excuses for potential drops in performance but if i had a big meeting or presentation to do in my line of work over the past couple of days I would have been absolutely useless - different scenario yes, but it's a very similar .....maybe because I have a much bigger emotional attachment to City then the players have?? . Take the Oxford game for example after the Villa home leg and the players and us fans were as flat as I can ever remember. Highs are always followed by lows in terms of feelings/emotion which is natural so maybe players can suffer from a dip in mental attitude/performance ?? It goes without saying that I hope they don't and that is part of Parky's job. .[/p][/quote]I know what your saying Lonnie but facts are facts. A lot of champion league teams suffer from poor performances after a big game,so its not just our players. Maybe its the media side which our players aren't used too, lets be honest all the players have been on everything from sky five live talk sport not to mention the tabloids. I suppose the players who have had to perform at a level well above themselves knowing one mistake could be fatal weren't blessed with your mental toughness. Well I for one can forgive them and believe parky will still whip them up for the run in macca1969
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12:51am Sat 26 Jan 13

lonniejockstrap says...

macca1969 wrote:
gspot01 wrote:
lonniejockstrap wrote:
macca1969 wrote:
gspot01 wrote:
I've always been critical of all professional sportsmen - especially footballers - for not having their head on the next game. BUT I now understand the emotions of it are impossible to ignore. I've experienced some massive nights has a City fan but nothing like this - the Wolves match comes close but the difference is that the squad we had at that time made that achievable ......what these guys have just done isn't achievable!!!!!! The emotional ride I've been on since Tuesday night is unbelievable. Since I got back to my office on Thursday morning I've been useless and have thought about nothing else other then Wembley and now I feel pretty flat to be honest. I know I am a lifelong fan but what the players have achieved is unbelievable so how must they be feleing?
Very true, I get fed up if hearing how the players should be fit enough to play twice a week. They are but after some massive performance it is obviously going to be tough mentally as we have at times found out this season. We have yet to win on the Saturday after a big cup game. Coincidence no mental fatigue yes
But surely the requirement of anyone performing and competing at professional level in a sport is that they are able to handle the psychological demands of their profession -which in the case of a professional footballer must be minuscule. They are doing something they love (or they'd go do something else) and are part of the entertainment business. They are waited on hand and foot and when compared to many other folk are well paid -even in league 2.

They are not putting their lives at risk and are being almost worshipped by thousands of supporters. If that is what amounts to some sort of negative psychological stress resulting in a drop in performance then they shouldn't be in the professional game. They are probable experiencing the pinnacle of their careers, lets not make excuses for any dip in form being due to them having the best experience of their professional careers.

I do not accept that being fortunate enough to be going through such a fantastic experience as those City players are at the moment is an excuse for not being up to it mentally when playing against league 2 opponents. If their lives/safety had been under constant threat or they had been responsible for other peoples lives or safety for weeks on end I would have a lot of sympathy with the 'mental fatigue argument but they weren't and they haven't. I find it incredible that sportsmen in such a privileged and molly coddled position could be thought to be suffering from mental fatigue.
I accept your points and I'm not making any excuses for potential drops in performance but if i had a big meeting or presentation to do in my line of work over the past couple of days I would have been absolutely useless - different scenario yes, but it's a very similar .....maybe because I have a much bigger emotional attachment to City then the players have??

.
Take the Oxford game for example after the Villa home leg and the players and us fans were as flat as I can ever remember. Highs are always followed by lows in terms of feelings/emotion which is natural so maybe players can suffer from a dip in mental attitude/performance


?? It goes without saying that I hope they don't and that is part of Parky's job.

.
I know what your saying Lonnie but facts are facts. A lot of champion league teams suffer from poor performances after a big game,so its not just our players. Maybe its the media side which our players aren't used too, lets be honest all the players have been on everything from sky five live talk sport not to mention the tabloids. I suppose the players who have had to perform at a level well above themselves knowing one mistake could be fatal weren't blessed with your mental toughness. Well I for one can forgive them and believe parky will still whip them up for the run in
Macca, I understand your point about poor performances following 'bigger' games. Is it not more likely that players feel that the challenge of playing another league 2 team (or in a 'lesser' competitive match) is a bit of an anticlimax and that they can't motivate themselves to perform at the same level as when playing a premiership team or in a major European competition?

How can Wigan, Arsenal and Aston Villa lose to a league 2 team and yet that same league 2 team struggle to beat other league 2 teams? How can the City players be 'mentally fatigued' for league 2 games but not for important Cup games against premiership teams?

And how can players 'perform at a level well above themselves' when competing against premier league games but not against league 2 opposition? Who decides that this will happen? If the players are to chose when and where they want to put in their best performances then that 'attitude' needs sorting. The Manager somehow needs to get the players playing close to their Cup performances or drop any whoever is not able to motivate themselves for league 2 games. It may seem I am being hard, after such a good season so far, but we can't afford players to pick when they want to put in an excellent performance and when they fancy having an easy afternoon.

I've seen the 'better' teams get beat regularly over the years both at professional and amateur level when the reasons appear to be non other than a lack of 100% 'attitude'. If a professional player thinks he isn't in the right frame of mind to be able to give 100% 'mental commitment' he should step aside and let another player give it. Players are unlikely to do that of course so the Manager needs to be watching them very closely for signs of them easing-off and being ruthless with them if they are. This team appears to be well capable of getting us out of this league, we can't afford to miss out on at least the play-offs by allowing players to remain in the team that have consciously or subconsciously eased off.
[quote][p][bold]macca1969[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gspot01[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lonniejockstrap[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]macca1969[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gspot01[/bold] wrote: I've always been critical of all professional sportsmen - especially footballers - for not having their head on the next game. BUT I now understand the emotions of it are impossible to ignore. I've experienced some massive nights has a City fan but nothing like this - the Wolves match comes close but the difference is that the squad we had at that time made that achievable ......what these guys have just done isn't achievable!!!!!! The emotional ride I've been on since Tuesday night is unbelievable. Since I got back to my office on Thursday morning I've been useless and have thought about nothing else other then Wembley and now I feel pretty flat to be honest. I know I am a lifelong fan but what the players have achieved is unbelievable so how must they be feleing?[/p][/quote]Very true, I get fed up if hearing how the players should be fit enough to play twice a week. They are but after some massive performance it is obviously going to be tough mentally as we have at times found out this season. We have yet to win on the Saturday after a big cup game. Coincidence no mental fatigue yes[/p][/quote]But surely the requirement of anyone performing and competing at professional level in a sport is that they are able to handle the psychological demands of their profession -which in the case of a professional footballer must be minuscule. They are doing something they love (or they'd go do something else) and are part of the entertainment business. They are waited on hand and foot and when compared to many other folk are well paid -even in league 2. They are not putting their lives at risk and are being almost worshipped by thousands of supporters. If that is what amounts to some sort of negative psychological stress resulting in a drop in performance then they shouldn't be in the professional game. They are probable experiencing the pinnacle of their careers, lets not make excuses for any dip in form being due to them having the best experience of their professional careers. I do not accept that being fortunate enough to be going through such a fantastic experience as those City players are at the moment is an excuse for not being up to it mentally when playing against league 2 opponents. If their lives/safety had been under constant threat or they had been responsible for other peoples lives or safety for weeks on end I would have a lot of sympathy with the 'mental fatigue argument but they weren't and they haven't. I find it incredible that sportsmen in such a privileged and molly coddled position could be thought to be suffering from mental fatigue.[/p][/quote]I accept your points and I'm not making any excuses for potential drops in performance but if i had a big meeting or presentation to do in my line of work over the past couple of days I would have been absolutely useless - different scenario yes, but it's a very similar .....maybe because I have a much bigger emotional attachment to City then the players have?? . Take the Oxford game for example after the Villa home leg and the players and us fans were as flat as I can ever remember. Highs are always followed by lows in terms of feelings/emotion which is natural so maybe players can suffer from a dip in mental attitude/performance ?? It goes without saying that I hope they don't and that is part of Parky's job. .[/p][/quote]I know what your saying Lonnie but facts are facts. A lot of champion league teams suffer from poor performances after a big game,so its not just our players. Maybe its the media side which our players aren't used too, lets be honest all the players have been on everything from sky five live talk sport not to mention the tabloids. I suppose the players who have had to perform at a level well above themselves knowing one mistake could be fatal weren't blessed with your mental toughness. Well I for one can forgive them and believe parky will still whip them up for the run in[/p][/quote]Macca, I understand your point about poor performances following 'bigger' games. Is it not more likely that players feel that the challenge of playing another league 2 team (or in a 'lesser' competitive match) is a bit of an anticlimax and that they can't motivate themselves to perform at the same level as when playing a premiership team or in a major European competition? How can Wigan, Arsenal and Aston Villa lose to a league 2 team and yet that same league 2 team struggle to beat other league 2 teams? How can the City players be 'mentally fatigued' for league 2 games but not for important Cup games against premiership teams? And how can players 'perform at a level well above themselves' when competing against premier league games but not against league 2 opposition? Who decides that this will happen? If the players are to chose when and where they want to put in their best performances then that 'attitude' needs sorting. The Manager somehow needs to get the players playing close to their Cup performances or drop any whoever is not able to motivate themselves for league 2 games. It may seem I am being hard, after such a good season so far, but we can't afford players to pick when they want to put in an excellent performance and when they fancy having an easy afternoon. I've seen the 'better' teams get beat regularly over the years both at professional and amateur level when the reasons appear to be non other than a lack of 100% 'attitude'. If a professional player thinks he isn't in the right frame of mind to be able to give 100% 'mental commitment' he should step aside and let another player give it. Players are unlikely to do that of course so the Manager needs to be watching them very closely for signs of them easing-off and being ruthless with them if they are. This team appears to be well capable of getting us out of this league, we can't afford to miss out on at least the play-offs by allowing players to remain in the team that have consciously or subconsciously eased off. lonniejockstrap
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11:11am Sat 26 Jan 13

Waynus1971 says...

lonniejockstrap wrote:
macca1969 wrote:
gspot01 wrote:
I've always been critical of all professional sportsmen - especially footballers - for not having their head on the next game. BUT I now understand the emotions of it are impossible to ignore. I've experienced some massive nights has a City fan but nothing like this - the Wolves match comes close but the difference is that the squad we had at that time made that achievable ......what these guys have just done isn't achievable!!!!!! The emotional ride I've been on since Tuesday night is unbelievable. Since I got back to my office on Thursday morning I've been useless and have thought about nothing else other then Wembley and now I feel pretty flat to be honest. I know I am a lifelong fan but what the players have achieved is unbelievable so how must they be feleing?
Very true, I get fed up if hearing how the players should be fit enough to play twice a week. They are but after some massive performance it is obviously going to be tough mentally as we have at times found out this season. We have yet to win on the Saturday after a big cup game. Coincidence no mental fatigue yes
But surely the requirement of anyone performing and competing at professional level in a sport is that they are able to handle the psychological demands of their profession -which in the case of a professional footballer must be minuscule. They are doing something they love (or they'd go do something else) and are part of the entertainment business. They are waited on hand and foot and when compared to many other folk are well paid -even in league 2.

They are not putting their lives at risk and are being almost worshipped by thousands of supporters. If that is what amounts to some sort of negative psychological stress resulting in a drop in performance then they shouldn't be in the professional game. They are probable experiencing the pinnacle of their careers, lets not make excuses for any dip in form being due to them having the best experience of their professional careers.

I do not accept that being fortunate enough to be going through such a fantastic experience as those City players are at the moment is an excuse for not being up to it mentally when playing against league 2 opponents. If their lives/safety had been under constant threat or they had been responsible for other peoples lives or safety for weeks on end I would have a lot of sympathy with the 'mental fatigue argument but they weren't and they haven't. I find it incredible that sportsmen in such a privileged and molly coddled position could be thought to be suffering from mental fatigue.
Lonnie, for someone such as yourself, who constantly claims nothing is black and white, to write off Macca's point about mental fatigue is astonishing. I can't comment on how you have felt these last couple of days following the euphoria of getting to Wembley, but I and many others have been shattered.

And we didn't even give every last drop of our energy out on the pitch...!

The likes of Hanson, Jones, Darby & Doyle were clearly running on empty as we begged the ref to blow his whistle. Despite that, the adrenaline kicks in and they suddenly find reserves of energy from somewhere to celebrate. But what happens to them when they come down from this 'high'?

If you are really saying there is no reason for a L2 player, in the biggest spotlight of the careers, to have mental fatigue, I will never take your posts seriously again.
[quote][p][bold]lonniejockstrap[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]macca1969[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gspot01[/bold] wrote: I've always been critical of all professional sportsmen - especially footballers - for not having their head on the next game. BUT I now understand the emotions of it are impossible to ignore. I've experienced some massive nights has a City fan but nothing like this - the Wolves match comes close but the difference is that the squad we had at that time made that achievable ......what these guys have just done isn't achievable!!!!!! The emotional ride I've been on since Tuesday night is unbelievable. Since I got back to my office on Thursday morning I've been useless and have thought about nothing else other then Wembley and now I feel pretty flat to be honest. I know I am a lifelong fan but what the players have achieved is unbelievable so how must they be feleing?[/p][/quote]Very true, I get fed up if hearing how the players should be fit enough to play twice a week. They are but after some massive performance it is obviously going to be tough mentally as we have at times found out this season. We have yet to win on the Saturday after a big cup game. Coincidence no mental fatigue yes[/p][/quote]But surely the requirement of anyone performing and competing at professional level in a sport is that they are able to handle the psychological demands of their profession -which in the case of a professional footballer must be minuscule. They are doing something they love (or they'd go do something else) and are part of the entertainment business. They are waited on hand and foot and when compared to many other folk are well paid -even in league 2. They are not putting their lives at risk and are being almost worshipped by thousands of supporters. If that is what amounts to some sort of negative psychological stress resulting in a drop in performance then they shouldn't be in the professional game. They are probable experiencing the pinnacle of their careers, lets not make excuses for any dip in form being due to them having the best experience of their professional careers. I do not accept that being fortunate enough to be going through such a fantastic experience as those City players are at the moment is an excuse for not being up to it mentally when playing against league 2 opponents. If their lives/safety had been under constant threat or they had been responsible for other peoples lives or safety for weeks on end I would have a lot of sympathy with the 'mental fatigue argument but they weren't and they haven't. I find it incredible that sportsmen in such a privileged and molly coddled position could be thought to be suffering from mental fatigue.[/p][/quote]Lonnie, for someone such as yourself, who constantly claims nothing is black and white, to write off Macca's point about mental fatigue is astonishing. I can't comment on how you have felt these last couple of days following the euphoria of getting to Wembley, but I and many others have been shattered. And we didn't even give every last drop of our energy out on the pitch...! The likes of Hanson, Jones, Darby & Doyle were clearly running on empty as we begged the ref to blow his whistle. Despite that, the adrenaline kicks in and they suddenly find reserves of energy from somewhere to celebrate. But what happens to them when they come down from this 'high'? If you are really saying there is no reason for a L2 player, in the biggest spotlight of the careers, to have mental fatigue, I will never take your posts seriously again. Waynus1971
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11:22am Sat 26 Jan 13

Waynus1971 says...

lonniejockstrap wrote:
macca1969 wrote:
gspot01 wrote:
lonniejockstrap wrote:
macca1969 wrote:
gspot01 wrote:
I've always been critical of all professional sportsmen - especially footballers - for not having their head on the next game. BUT I now understand the emotions of it are impossible to ignore. I've experienced some massive nights has a City fan but nothing like this - the Wolves match comes close but the difference is that the squad we had at that time made that achievable ......what these guys have just done isn't achievable!!!!!! The emotional ride I've been on since Tuesday night is unbelievable. Since I got back to my office on Thursday morning I've been useless and have thought about nothing else other then Wembley and now I feel pretty flat to be honest. I know I am a lifelong fan but what the players have achieved is unbelievable so how must they be feleing?
Very true, I get fed up if hearing how the players should be fit enough to play twice a week. They are but after some massive performance it is obviously going to be tough mentally as we have at times found out this season. We have yet to win on the Saturday after a big cup game. Coincidence no mental fatigue yes
But surely the requirement of anyone performing and competing at professional level in a sport is that they are able to handle the psychological demands of their profession -which in the case of a professional footballer must be minuscule. They are doing something they love (or they'd go do something else) and are part of the entertainment business. They are waited on hand and foot and when compared to many other folk are well paid -even in league 2.

They are not putting their lives at risk and are being almost worshipped by thousands of supporters. If that is what amounts to some sort of negative psychological stress resulting in a drop in performance then they shouldn't be in the professional game. They are probable experiencing the pinnacle of their careers, lets not make excuses for any dip in form being due to them having the best experience of their professional careers.

I do not accept that being fortunate enough to be going through such a fantastic experience as those City players are at the moment is an excuse for not being up to it mentally when playing against league 2 opponents. If their lives/safety had been under constant threat or they had been responsible for other peoples lives or safety for weeks on end I would have a lot of sympathy with the 'mental fatigue argument but they weren't and they haven't. I find it incredible that sportsmen in such a privileged and molly coddled position could be thought to be suffering from mental fatigue.
I accept your points and I'm not making any excuses for potential drops in performance but if i had a big meeting or presentation to do in my line of work over the past couple of days I would have been absolutely useless - different scenario yes, but it's a very similar .....maybe because I have a much bigger emotional attachment to City then the players have??

.
Take the Oxford game for example after the Villa home leg and the players and us fans were as flat as I can ever remember. Highs are always followed by lows in terms of feelings/emotion which is natural so maybe players can suffer from a dip in mental attitude/performance



?? It goes without saying that I hope they don't and that is part of Parky's job.

.
I know what your saying Lonnie but facts are facts. A lot of champion league teams suffer from poor performances after a big game,so its not just our players. Maybe its the media side which our players aren't used too, lets be honest all the players have been on everything from sky five live talk sport not to mention the tabloids. I suppose the players who have had to perform at a level well above themselves knowing one mistake could be fatal weren't blessed with your mental toughness. Well I for one can forgive them and believe parky will still whip them up for the run in
Macca, I understand your point about poor performances following 'bigger' games. Is it not more likely that players feel that the challenge of playing another league 2 team (or in a 'lesser' competitive match) is a bit of an anticlimax and that they can't motivate themselves to perform at the same level as when playing a premiership team or in a major European competition?

How can Wigan, Arsenal and Aston Villa lose to a league 2 team and yet that same league 2 team struggle to beat other league 2 teams? How can the City players be 'mentally fatigued' for league 2 games but not for important Cup games against premiership teams?

And how can players 'perform at a level well above themselves' when competing against premier league games but not against league 2 opposition? Who decides that this will happen? If the players are to chose when and where they want to put in their best performances then that 'attitude' needs sorting. The Manager somehow needs to get the players playing close to their Cup performances or drop any whoever is not able to motivate themselves for league 2 games. It may seem I am being hard, after such a good season so far, but we can't afford players to pick when they want to put in an excellent performance and when they fancy having an easy afternoon.

I've seen the 'better' teams get beat regularly over the years both at professional and amateur level when the reasons appear to be non other than a lack of 100% 'attitude'. If a professional player thinks he isn't in the right frame of mind to be able to give 100% 'mental commitment' he should step aside and let another player give it. Players are unlikely to do that of course so the Manager needs to be watching them very closely for signs of them easing-off and being ruthless with them if they are. This team appears to be well capable of getting us out of this league, we can't afford to miss out on at least the play-offs by allowing players to remain in the team that have consciously or subconsciously eased off.
There you go again with your black & white stock post. If it was as easy as just picking the games etc.... I'm sure PP would have addressed it already.

You are looking at City's performances against the Premier League sides. Were the likes of Wigan, Arsenal and/or Villa giving everything they had? Remember, we treat each cup game like the final itself, but maybe our opponents didn't. What is to say that the likes of Oxford and Rochdale players aren't looking at us at THEIR cup final? The attitude of Cup semi-finalists/final
ists etc, 'we can do them'. They end up raising THEIR game, making it a tough game for us, irrespective of how we play.
[quote][p][bold]lonniejockstrap[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]macca1969[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gspot01[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lonniejockstrap[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]macca1969[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gspot01[/bold] wrote: I've always been critical of all professional sportsmen - especially footballers - for not having their head on the next game. BUT I now understand the emotions of it are impossible to ignore. I've experienced some massive nights has a City fan but nothing like this - the Wolves match comes close but the difference is that the squad we had at that time made that achievable ......what these guys have just done isn't achievable!!!!!! The emotional ride I've been on since Tuesday night is unbelievable. Since I got back to my office on Thursday morning I've been useless and have thought about nothing else other then Wembley and now I feel pretty flat to be honest. I know I am a lifelong fan but what the players have achieved is unbelievable so how must they be feleing?[/p][/quote]Very true, I get fed up if hearing how the players should be fit enough to play twice a week. They are but after some massive performance it is obviously going to be tough mentally as we have at times found out this season. We have yet to win on the Saturday after a big cup game. Coincidence no mental fatigue yes[/p][/quote]But surely the requirement of anyone performing and competing at professional level in a sport is that they are able to handle the psychological demands of their profession -which in the case of a professional footballer must be minuscule. They are doing something they love (or they'd go do something else) and are part of the entertainment business. They are waited on hand and foot and when compared to many other folk are well paid -even in league 2. They are not putting their lives at risk and are being almost worshipped by thousands of supporters. If that is what amounts to some sort of negative psychological stress resulting in a drop in performance then they shouldn't be in the professional game. They are probable experiencing the pinnacle of their careers, lets not make excuses for any dip in form being due to them having the best experience of their professional careers. I do not accept that being fortunate enough to be going through such a fantastic experience as those City players are at the moment is an excuse for not being up to it mentally when playing against league 2 opponents. If their lives/safety had been under constant threat or they had been responsible for other peoples lives or safety for weeks on end I would have a lot of sympathy with the 'mental fatigue argument but they weren't and they haven't. I find it incredible that sportsmen in such a privileged and molly coddled position could be thought to be suffering from mental fatigue.[/p][/quote]I accept your points and I'm not making any excuses for potential drops in performance but if i had a big meeting or presentation to do in my line of work over the past couple of days I would have been absolutely useless - different scenario yes, but it's a very similar .....maybe because I have a much bigger emotional attachment to City then the players have?? . Take the Oxford game for example after the Villa home leg and the players and us fans were as flat as I can ever remember. Highs are always followed by lows in terms of feelings/emotion which is natural so maybe players can suffer from a dip in mental attitude/performance ?? It goes without saying that I hope they don't and that is part of Parky's job. .[/p][/quote]I know what your saying Lonnie but facts are facts. A lot of champion league teams suffer from poor performances after a big game,so its not just our players. Maybe its the media side which our players aren't used too, lets be honest all the players have been on everything from sky five live talk sport not to mention the tabloids. I suppose the players who have had to perform at a level well above themselves knowing one mistake could be fatal weren't blessed with your mental toughness. Well I for one can forgive them and believe parky will still whip them up for the run in[/p][/quote]Macca, I understand your point about poor performances following 'bigger' games. Is it not more likely that players feel that the challenge of playing another league 2 team (or in a 'lesser' competitive match) is a bit of an anticlimax and that they can't motivate themselves to perform at the same level as when playing a premiership team or in a major European competition? How can Wigan, Arsenal and Aston Villa lose to a league 2 team and yet that same league 2 team struggle to beat other league 2 teams? How can the City players be 'mentally fatigued' for league 2 games but not for important Cup games against premiership teams? And how can players 'perform at a level well above themselves' when competing against premier league games but not against league 2 opposition? Who decides that this will happen? If the players are to chose when and where they want to put in their best performances then that 'attitude' needs sorting. The Manager somehow needs to get the players playing close to their Cup performances or drop any whoever is not able to motivate themselves for league 2 games. It may seem I am being hard, after such a good season so far, but we can't afford players to pick when they want to put in an excellent performance and when they fancy having an easy afternoon. I've seen the 'better' teams get beat regularly over the years both at professional and amateur level when the reasons appear to be non other than a lack of 100% 'attitude'. If a professional player thinks he isn't in the right frame of mind to be able to give 100% 'mental commitment' he should step aside and let another player give it. Players are unlikely to do that of course so the Manager needs to be watching them very closely for signs of them easing-off and being ruthless with them if they are. This team appears to be well capable of getting us out of this league, we can't afford to miss out on at least the play-offs by allowing players to remain in the team that have consciously or subconsciously eased off.[/p][/quote]There you go again with your black & white stock post. If it was as easy as just picking the games etc.... I'm sure PP would have addressed it already. You are looking at City's performances against the Premier League sides. Were the likes of Wigan, Arsenal and/or Villa giving everything they had? Remember, we treat each cup game like the final itself, but maybe our opponents didn't. What is to say that the likes of Oxford and Rochdale players aren't looking at us at THEIR cup final? The attitude of Cup semi-finalists/final ists etc, 'we can do them'. They end up raising THEIR game, making it a tough game for us, irrespective of how we play. Waynus1971
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11:23am Sat 26 Jan 13

Victor Clayton says...

imo, we need a couple of quality players in or we do won't get promoted. and squad players such as Connell, r Jones and ravenhill need more time on the pitch.
imo, we need a couple of quality players in or we do won't get promoted. and squad players such as Connell, r Jones and ravenhill need more time on the pitch. Victor Clayton
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5:23pm Sat 26 Jan 13

Pablo says...

KnightMcCall wrote:
robush wrote:
Not sure how true it is according to Richard keys of talk sport parkys representatives want to put his contract talks on back burner until after final, and who can blame him as his stock is rising, can't help thinking this should have been sorted well before arsenal game, according to t&a it was parky who prompted discussions, I was surprised his contract only had 6 months left, llawn and Rhodes would definitely have been extending so why leave it, looks like we have done a boo boo on the face of it, I know contracts can easily be broken but they do lead to a higher compensation, hope I'm wrong but unless we offer parky a cracking package I think he will be on his way come end of season
PP has done a tremendous job but the way that Manager's are treated by football clubs and also the way some managers treat football clubs make it impossible to know the right way of going. I don't personally think City should ever have a manager with a contract longer than two years as we cannot afford to be paying them out if we want to get rid. I would offer PP what s affordable and then leave it upto him. Let's face it; we CANNOT compete financially with Championship teams so if PP wants to go then it is not in our hands.

Please don't be having a go at the club with 20-20 hindsight. This wasn't exactly predictable and right up the Arsenal game there were plenty of PP critics after every failure to win.

If PP leaves then he should leave with our thanks and best wishes as he has genuinely given us our pride in BCFC back. (I hope he doesn't leave by the way).
I agree entirely with your comments, KnightMcCall.

I've read under another thread, a suggestion that we increase PP's salary from £52k per annum, to £150K.

As you well know, football managers can go from hero to zero in a matter of weeks. What a hole such a deal would make in our cup profits if a termination payment were to be made.

I believe PP is an honourable and reasonable man, who is hopefully not motivated by money alone. As you state, make an offer that is affordable, on a term that won't break the bank if it has to be ended, and leave it up to Phil.
[quote][p][bold]KnightMcCall[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]robush[/bold] wrote: Not sure how true it is according to Richard keys of talk sport parkys representatives want to put his contract talks on back burner until after final, and who can blame him as his stock is rising, can't help thinking this should have been sorted well before arsenal game, according to t&a it was parky who prompted discussions, I was surprised his contract only had 6 months left, llawn and Rhodes would definitely have been extending so why leave it, looks like we have done a boo boo on the face of it, I know contracts can easily be broken but they do lead to a higher compensation, hope I'm wrong but unless we offer parky a cracking package I think he will be on his way come end of season[/p][/quote]PP has done a tremendous job but the way that Manager's are treated by football clubs and also the way some managers treat football clubs make it impossible to know the right way of going. I don't personally think City should ever have a manager with a contract longer than two years as we cannot afford to be paying them out if we want to get rid. I would offer PP what s affordable and then leave it upto him. Let's face it; we CANNOT compete financially with Championship teams so if PP wants to go then it is not in our hands. Please don't be having a go at the club with 20-20 hindsight. This wasn't exactly predictable and right up the Arsenal game there were plenty of PP critics after every failure to win. If PP leaves then he should leave with our thanks and best wishes as he has genuinely given us our pride in BCFC back. (I hope he doesn't leave by the way).[/p][/quote]I agree entirely with your comments, KnightMcCall. I've read under another thread, a suggestion that we increase PP's salary from £52k per annum, to £150K. As you well know, football managers can go from hero to zero in a matter of weeks. What a hole such a deal would make in our cup profits if a termination payment were to be made. I believe PP is an honourable and reasonable man, who is hopefully not motivated by money alone. As you state, make an offer that is affordable, on a term that won't break the bank if it has to be ended, and leave it up to Phil. Pablo
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5:31pm Sat 26 Jan 13

lonniejockstrap says...

Waynus1971 wrote:
lonniejockstrap wrote:
macca1969 wrote:
gspot01 wrote:
lonniejockstrap wrote:
macca1969 wrote:
gspot01 wrote:
I've always been critical of all professional sportsmen - especially footballers - for not having their head on the next game. BUT I now understand the emotions of it are impossible to ignore. I've experienced some massive nights has a City fan but nothing like this - the Wolves match comes close but the difference is that the squad we had at that time made that achievable ......what these guys have just done isn't achievable!!!!!! The emotional ride I've been on since Tuesday night is unbelievable. Since I got back to my office on Thursday morning I've been useless and have thought about nothing else other then Wembley and now I feel pretty flat to be honest. I know I am a lifelong fan but what the players have achieved is unbelievable so how must they be feleing?
Very true, I get fed up if hearing how the players should be fit enough to play twice a week. They are but after some massive performance it is obviously going to be tough mentally as we have at times found out this season. We have yet to win on the Saturday after a big cup game. Coincidence no mental fatigue yes
But surely the requirement of anyone performing and competing at professional level in a sport is that they are able to handle the psychological demands of their profession -which in the case of a professional footballer must be minuscule. They are doing something they love (or they'd go do something else) and are part of the entertainment business. They are waited on hand and foot and when compared to many other folk are well paid -even in league 2.

They are not putting their lives at risk and are being almost worshipped by thousands of supporters. If that is what amounts to some sort of negative psychological stress resulting in a drop in performance then they shouldn't be in the professional game. They are probable experiencing the pinnacle of their careers, lets not make excuses for any dip in form being due to them having the best experience of their professional careers.

I do not accept that being fortunate enough to be going through such a fantastic experience as those City players are at the moment is an excuse for not being up to it mentally when playing against league 2 opponents. If their lives/safety had been under constant threat or they had been responsible for other peoples lives or safety for weeks on end I would have a lot of sympathy with the 'mental fatigue argument but they weren't and they haven't. I find it incredible that sportsmen in such a privileged and molly coddled position could be thought to be suffering from mental fatigue.
I accept your points and I'm not making any excuses for potential drops in performance but if i had a big meeting or presentation to do in my line of work over the past couple of days I would have been absolutely useless - different scenario yes, but it's a very similar .....maybe because I have a much bigger emotional attachment to City then the players have??

.
Take the Oxford game for example after the Villa home leg and the players and us fans were as flat as I can ever remember. Highs are always followed by lows in terms of feelings/emotion which is natural so maybe players can suffer from a dip in mental attitude/performance




?? It goes without saying that I hope they don't and that is part of Parky's job.

.
I know what your saying Lonnie but facts are facts. A lot of champion league teams suffer from poor performances after a big game,so its not just our players. Maybe its the media side which our players aren't used too, lets be honest all the players have been on everything from sky five live talk sport not to mention the tabloids. I suppose the players who have had to perform at a level well above themselves knowing one mistake could be fatal weren't blessed with your mental toughness. Well I for one can forgive them and believe parky will still whip them up for the run in
Macca, I understand your point about poor performances following 'bigger' games. Is it not more likely that players feel that the challenge of playing another league 2 team (or in a 'lesser' competitive match) is a bit of an anticlimax and that they can't motivate themselves to perform at the same level as when playing a premiership team or in a major European competition?

How can Wigan, Arsenal and Aston Villa lose to a league 2 team and yet that same league 2 team struggle to beat other league 2 teams? How can the City players be 'mentally fatigued' for league 2 games but not for important Cup games against premiership teams?

And how can players 'perform at a level well above themselves' when competing against premier league games but not against league 2 opposition? Who decides that this will happen? If the players are to chose when and where they want to put in their best performances then that 'attitude' needs sorting. The Manager somehow needs to get the players playing close to their Cup performances or drop any whoever is not able to motivate themselves for league 2 games. It may seem I am being hard, after such a good season so far, but we can't afford players to pick when they want to put in an excellent performance and when they fancy having an easy afternoon.

I've seen the 'better' teams get beat regularly over the years both at professional and amateur level when the reasons appear to be non other than a lack of 100% 'attitude'. If a professional player thinks he isn't in the right frame of mind to be able to give 100% 'mental commitment' he should step aside and let another player give it. Players are unlikely to do that of course so the Manager needs to be watching them very closely for signs of them easing-off and being ruthless with them if they are. This team appears to be well capable of getting us out of this league, we can't afford to miss out on at least the play-offs by allowing players to remain in the team that have consciously or subconsciously eased off.
There you go again with your black & white stock post. If it was as easy as just picking the games etc.... I'm sure PP would have addressed it already.

You are looking at City's performances against the Premier League sides. Were the likes of Wigan, Arsenal and/or Villa giving everything they had? Remember, we treat each cup game like the final itself, but maybe our opponents didn't. What is to say that the likes of Oxford and Rochdale players aren't looking at us at THEIR cup final? The attitude of Cup semi-finalists/final

ists etc, 'we can do them'. They end up raising THEIR game, making it a tough game for us, irrespective of how we play.
Thank you Waynus you have made the point I have been trying to make. That is: it is not so much to do with 'mental fatigue' but more to do with attitude. So if City players can raise their game against premiership players and premiership players are not 'giving everything they had' along with the likes of Oxford and Rochdale players raising THEIR game because they see playing us as 'THEIR cup final' then I rest my case! You are now understanding my point about it being more to do with attitude than 'mental fatigue'. What is so demanding 'mentally' in playing a game of football that you are physically trained, fed, watered and supported to play in? What is so cognitively demanding about playing two games per week that would result in the players being 'mentally fatigued' for one of those two games: the league game! -the one that is easily the least demanding of internal/external 'pressures and stresses', concentration, skill, etc. etc.

There are of course psychological/emotio
nal demands like there are physical demands but there is also a recovery phase in between games. These people are not being tortured, they are not being forced do do things that are unpleasant, they are not under competitive demands or pressure (psychological or otherwise) for days on end without respite or having their confidence undermined day after day iIn fact quite the opposite. Their 'mental strength' should be at peak performance level after so much success not 'fatigued'!
[quote][p][bold]Waynus1971[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lonniejockstrap[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]macca1969[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gspot01[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lonniejockstrap[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]macca1969[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gspot01[/bold] wrote: I've always been critical of all professional sportsmen - especially footballers - for not having their head on the next game. BUT I now understand the emotions of it are impossible to ignore. I've experienced some massive nights has a City fan but nothing like this - the Wolves match comes close but the difference is that the squad we had at that time made that achievable ......what these guys have just done isn't achievable!!!!!! The emotional ride I've been on since Tuesday night is unbelievable. Since I got back to my office on Thursday morning I've been useless and have thought about nothing else other then Wembley and now I feel pretty flat to be honest. I know I am a lifelong fan but what the players have achieved is unbelievable so how must they be feleing?[/p][/quote]Very true, I get fed up if hearing how the players should be fit enough to play twice a week. They are but after some massive performance it is obviously going to be tough mentally as we have at times found out this season. We have yet to win on the Saturday after a big cup game. Coincidence no mental fatigue yes[/p][/quote]But surely the requirement of anyone performing and competing at professional level in a sport is that they are able to handle the psychological demands of their profession -which in the case of a professional footballer must be minuscule. They are doing something they love (or they'd go do something else) and are part of the entertainment business. They are waited on hand and foot and when compared to many other folk are well paid -even in league 2. They are not putting their lives at risk and are being almost worshipped by thousands of supporters. If that is what amounts to some sort of negative psychological stress resulting in a drop in performance then they shouldn't be in the professional game. They are probable experiencing the pinnacle of their careers, lets not make excuses for any dip in form being due to them having the best experience of their professional careers. I do not accept that being fortunate enough to be going through such a fantastic experience as those City players are at the moment is an excuse for not being up to it mentally when playing against league 2 opponents. If their lives/safety had been under constant threat or they had been responsible for other peoples lives or safety for weeks on end I would have a lot of sympathy with the 'mental fatigue argument but they weren't and they haven't. I find it incredible that sportsmen in such a privileged and molly coddled position could be thought to be suffering from mental fatigue.[/p][/quote]I accept your points and I'm not making any excuses for potential drops in performance but if i had a big meeting or presentation to do in my line of work over the past couple of days I would have been absolutely useless - different scenario yes, but it's a very similar .....maybe because I have a much bigger emotional attachment to City then the players have?? . Take the Oxford game for example after the Villa home leg and the players and us fans were as flat as I can ever remember. Highs are always followed by lows in terms of feelings/emotion which is natural so maybe players can suffer from a dip in mental attitude/performance ?? It goes without saying that I hope they don't and that is part of Parky's job. .[/p][/quote]I know what your saying Lonnie but facts are facts. A lot of champion league teams suffer from poor performances after a big game,so its not just our players. Maybe its the media side which our players aren't used too, lets be honest all the players have been on everything from sky five live talk sport not to mention the tabloids. I suppose the players who have had to perform at a level well above themselves knowing one mistake could be fatal weren't blessed with your mental toughness. Well I for one can forgive them and believe parky will still whip them up for the run in[/p][/quote]Macca, I understand your point about poor performances following 'bigger' games. Is it not more likely that players feel that the challenge of playing another league 2 team (or in a 'lesser' competitive match) is a bit of an anticlimax and that they can't motivate themselves to perform at the same level as when playing a premiership team or in a major European competition? How can Wigan, Arsenal and Aston Villa lose to a league 2 team and yet that same league 2 team struggle to beat other league 2 teams? How can the City players be 'mentally fatigued' for league 2 games but not for important Cup games against premiership teams? And how can players 'perform at a level well above themselves' when competing against premier league games but not against league 2 opposition? Who decides that this will happen? If the players are to chose when and where they want to put in their best performances then that 'attitude' needs sorting. The Manager somehow needs to get the players playing close to their Cup performances or drop any whoever is not able to motivate themselves for league 2 games. It may seem I am being hard, after such a good season so far, but we can't afford players to pick when they want to put in an excellent performance and when they fancy having an easy afternoon. I've seen the 'better' teams get beat regularly over the years both at professional and amateur level when the reasons appear to be non other than a lack of 100% 'attitude'. If a professional player thinks he isn't in the right frame of mind to be able to give 100% 'mental commitment' he should step aside and let another player give it. Players are unlikely to do that of course so the Manager needs to be watching them very closely for signs of them easing-off and being ruthless with them if they are. This team appears to be well capable of getting us out of this league, we can't afford to miss out on at least the play-offs by allowing players to remain in the team that have consciously or subconsciously eased off.[/p][/quote]There you go again with your black & white stock post. If it was as easy as just picking the games etc.... I'm sure PP would have addressed it already. You are looking at City's performances against the Premier League sides. Were the likes of Wigan, Arsenal and/or Villa giving everything they had? Remember, we treat each cup game like the final itself, but maybe our opponents didn't. What is to say that the likes of Oxford and Rochdale players aren't looking at us at THEIR cup final? The attitude of Cup semi-finalists/final ists etc, 'we can do them'. They end up raising THEIR game, making it a tough game for us, irrespective of how we play.[/p][/quote]Thank you Waynus you have made the point I have been trying to make. That is: it is not so much to do with 'mental fatigue' but more to do with attitude. So if City players can raise their game against premiership players and premiership players are not 'giving everything they had' along with the likes of Oxford and Rochdale players raising THEIR game because they see playing us as 'THEIR cup final' then I rest my case! You are now understanding my point about it being more to do with attitude than 'mental fatigue'. What is so demanding 'mentally' in playing a game of football that you are physically trained, fed, watered and supported to play in? What is so cognitively demanding about playing two games per week that would result in the players being 'mentally fatigued' for one of those two games: the league game! -the one that is easily the least demanding of internal/external 'pressures and stresses', concentration, skill, etc. etc. There are of course psychological/emotio nal demands like there are physical demands but there is also a recovery phase in between games. These people are not being tortured, they are not being forced do do things that are unpleasant, they are not under competitive demands or pressure (psychological or otherwise) for days on end without respite or having their confidence undermined day after day iIn fact quite the opposite. Their 'mental strength' should be at peak performance level after so much success not 'fatigued'! lonniejockstrap
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