Burton Albion 1 Bradford City 0 (From Bradford Telegraph and Argus)

Well played Ricky Ravenhill. You let everyone down!

No the ref bought a piece of blatant play acting, Ravenhill didn't touch the cheating Burton player! Watch the football league show tonight!!

I suggest you buy some new glasses

Judging by what the commentary team said at the time & by what Parkinson said on Radio Leeds after seeing the incident on DVD I guess you were aiming that comment at beardedclam!

I'm sure most city fans have short memories...

Luke O'Brien player of the year, then close to winning it the year after, gets injured and comes back plays a 'few' games still recovering, gets dropped then sold and suddenly he was rubbish and no-one rated him.

Oliver and Atkinson were the worst players we had and 'everyone' slated them, then last year and this year Oliver has been excellent, with Atkinson being a changed player this year, and people say they knew they would improve (no you didn't, you all wanted them gone like I did. A minority still don't rate Atkinson though).

Then last season everyone loved Ravos defensive hard tackling style, but because we now have better players than him in centre mid in Doyle and Jones, and got sent off today, suddenly he is crap and was never rated by anyone. It was 1 mistake ffs!

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beardedclam says...
4:59pm Sat 27 Oct 12

Well played Ricky Ravenhill. You let everyone down!

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VERY SHORT SIGHTED COMMENT. YOU DID NOT SEE THIS INCIDENT--AND CAN NOT MAKE COMMENTS BASED ON YOUR PURELY MIS-GUIDED EMOTIONS.
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What I suspect is that LEE BELL gave an Oscar Winning performance--to get
Ricky sent off!.
No doubt - Wonderful Second Division Refereeing decision--with GREAT assistance, and Non Involvement, from a blind --Assistant Referee ( Linesman ).
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Yet another poor away result.

Judging by Parker's report yet again v poor at the off. Number of goals scored in first half seriously worrying.

We seem to be our own worst enemies - seems good back to the wall performance - but quite frankly this has to be sorted out.

Wigan away without Davies and Oliver somewhat worrying.

bad day at the office or a bigger problem? lets hope the injuries are not serious.

bahamianbantam wrote:
Yet another poor away result.

Judging by Parker's report yet again v poor at the off. Number of goals scored in first half seriously worrying.

We seem to be our own worst enemies - seems good back to the wall performance - but quite frankly this has to be sorted out.

Wigan away without Davies and Oliver somewhat worrying.

result aside, andy durso was absolutely atrocious as ref, the sending off was absolutely ridiculous and completely ruined the game. seriously look how bad it was on the highlights. its no wonder durso was booted out of the premier league for being terrible, his overall performace was ridiculous for a professional ref.

Don't know how bad the ref was, it says in the report "misjudgement by McLaughlan", I am more worried by that.Iam yet to be convinced by either goalkeeper.

Although I sympathize with Ricky and U still see him as a good player who is just finding his way back,he should be professional enough not to have put his head in the vicinity to even be accused of a head butt. We all know players act,we have seen out own do it let alone other teams. He may not have made any contact but should not have allowed the opportunity he gave the Burton.player to hoodwink the ref. I believe he has cost the club with his actions and no contact or not should be fined. The ref should also be sacked for another no show. He always was poor even in the prem so why should we endure him

JMCL kept us in with several good saves in the second half, and looked extemely confident coming for crosses, high balls etc. General consensus was it was thompson who was to blame for the goal for missing/underhitting the ball leaving JMcL stranded.

macca1969 wrote:
Although I sympathize with Ricky and U still see him as a good player who is just finding his way back,he should be professional enough not to have put his head in the vicinity to even be accused of a head butt. We all know players act,we have seen out own do it let alone other teams. He may not have made any contact but should not have allowed the opportunity he gave the Burton.player to hoodwink the ref. I believe he has cost the club with his actions and no contact or not should be fined. The ref should also be sacked for another no show. He always was poor even in the prem so why should we endure him

Absolutely spot on there. If his head wasn't there the guy can't go down. And go down he did. He's just admitted it on twitter- "I went down like a little girl". Calm down Jimmy!!

What have we done to Lady Luck? We are taking our biggest following for an age to a PL club who beat West Ham today, and we lose the bedrock the team is formed on.

Whatever we did to her it must be bad!!

I was at the game today. The sending off was a joke. Ravenhill was kicked off the ball, squared up to the bloke but didnt touch him. Bell went down like he had been shot!

D'urso was poor throughout as per usual. We lost Davies and Oliver through injury to add to the woes of losing Ravenhill.

Second half we defended superbly and were unlucky to concede because Burton offered very little.

Day to forget due to the things that went against us. Wasnt a poor performance like at Rotherham though.

By the way their lad Nathan Stanton's behaviour at the final whistle should lead to a lengthy ban.

On a day when Ravenhill gets sent off for not headbutting their player, it was a disgrace that D'urso took no action against Stanton for taunting the away crowd at the final whistle.

This was certainly a 'GAME OF DIMINISHING RETURNS AND EXPECTATIONS'forCity players, manager and fans!!

At the start we might have expcted to win the three points-and to be fair, even a the end, it was hard not to think in 9 times out of 10, on another day City WOULD/SHOULD have beaten Burton fairly comfortably. So, the fact that the Bantams didn't even get a single point would be expected to be a source of concern!!

Except, that as the game went on, the expectations had to be adjusted DOWNWARDS!

-the snding off-playing for two thirds of the game a player down

-losing our centre halves

-thenlosing a late goal

To say things went from bad to worse re: this match wouldbe the understatement of the year (and that assessment doesn't even take account of a referee who-despite being a Prem. Lge ref-performed poorly.) Yet in many ways it was a relief to just get the game over with, before further 'troubles' presented themselves!

It would be nice to just forget this match, get it out of the 'system' and move on.

But, how can we do that, with two key players sidelined, one suspended and th likelihood of getting 'rplacements' in for the next two games-more than extremely unlikely!!

Truly, a disastrous day for City, but NOT one we can simply forget

The great hope is that, this match or rather its ramifications, doesn't cause greater damage to City's season in the weeks or even months ahead.

The managerial qualities of manager Pkinson, and the merits of City's present squad look set to be 'tested' now as never before. Ths is thetime for all City fans to get 'behind' the team-just as they did brilliantly today!!

Sandy lane bantam wrote:
By the way their lad Nathan Stanton's behaviour at the final whistle should lead to a lengthy ban.

On a day when Ravenhill gets sent off for not headbutting their player, it was a disgrace that D'urso took no action against Stanton for taunting the away crowd at the final whistle.

Oh come on Sandy Lane. Player gives fans a bit of grief shocker. Fans love to give it out and then when they get it back they start crying.

This is a real bugbear of mine. I'd give it every game if I played. Should Colly have been banned for his taunting of the L€€Ds ?? No. Because it was brilliant and a bit of City folklore.

If you can't take it, don't give it !!

Onebrianmitchell wrote:

Sandy lane bantam wrote:
By the way their lad Nathan Stanton's behaviour at the final whistle should lead to a lengthy ban.

On a day when Ravenhill gets sent off for not headbutting their player, it was a disgrace that D'urso took no action against Stanton for taunting the away crowd at the final whistle.

Oh come on Sandy Lane. Player gives fans a bit of grief shocker. Fans love to give it out and then when they get it back they start crying.

This is a real bugbear of mine. I'd give it every game if I played. Should Colly have been banned for his taunting of the L€€Ds ?? No. Because it was brilliant and a bit of City folklore.

If you can't take it, don't give it !!

Im all for a bit of banter between fans and players however in a game where we were missing our top goalscorer because he celebrated with his own fans on Tuesday night it sticks in the throat a bit!

Plus the laws are clear arent they? Players have a duty not to incite the crowd. What would you say Stanton was doing?

The laws are clear and you are quite right in what you say. Thanks also for just coming back with a reasoned response. Many on here don't.

I just don't get it I'm afraid. The fans think its open season on players and we've all heard, over the years, absolute dogs abuse aimed at the players. Sometimes it borders on embarrassing or down right sick- this includes City fans. I remember sitting in the Kop when the brave player who overcome testicular cancer, whose name I forget without meanings any disrespect whatsoever, was being taunted about his potentially killer disease.

I think it's funny when they give it back, if not, accepting your point, slightly reckless.

Freddy wrote:
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beardedclam says...
4:59pm Sat 27 Oct 12

Well played Ricky Ravenhill. You let everyone down!

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VERY SHORT SIGHTED COMMENT. YOU DID NOT SEE THIS INCIDENT--AND CAN NOT MAKE COMMENTS BASED ON YOUR PURELY MIS-GUIDED EMOTIONS.
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What I suspect is that LEE BELL gave an Oscar Winning performance--to get
Ricky sent off!.
No doubt - Wonderful Second Division Refereeing decision--with GREAT assistance, and Non Involvement, from a blind --Assistant Referee ( Linesman ).
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There can be no excuses for Ravenhill. After the initial forehead to forehead macho bull Ravenhill drew his head back and threw it forward. Whether there was contact isn't important. Ravenhills stupidity gave the referee a decision to make and I believe the 10th sending off of his career cost us at least a point.

With regards to the goal, I'll have to see it again but I think Parker might be being a bit harsh on Mac because I thought the goal was down to a defensive mistake/missed clearance that took the rest of the defence by surprise.

Roll on Tuesday, fingers crossed we can keep it to single figures.

UTC!

mmmm:how bad are the injuries. RAVENHILL;SHOULD BE FINED BY THe CLUB.

However if their player has admitted he went down like he did than surely an appeal against the sending off could be mounted and their player charged with ringing the game in to desrepue by feigning a head but.

Ravenfill should know better. and deserves a fine by the club..

Seems like a case of an ex premiership ref feeling that they have to make a major decision, so as to vindicate that they are a top official, but they've ended up illustrating why they are the exact opposite.

The most noticable thing about league 2 this season to me, is how teams will blatantly time waste, dive, pressurise the ref, and feign injury to try and get the 3 points. The most frustrating thing though is how the refs seem to fall for it everytime.

Obviously there were mitigating circumstances yesterday, but if we want to be challenging for automatic promotion, we can't afford to be losing to the likes of Dagenham and Burton.

Sandy lane bantam wrote:
I was at the game today. The sending off was a joke. Ravenhill was kicked off the ball, squared up to the bloke but didnt touch him. Bell went down like he had been shot!

D'urso was poor throughout as per usual. We lost Davies and Oliver through injury to add to the woes of losing Ravenhill.

Second half we defended superbly and were unlucky to concede because Burton offered very little.

Day to forget due to the things that went against us. Wasnt a poor performance like at Rotherham though.

how well do you think Connell played, would Wells have made any difference?

CITY MAN 23 said---Quote :-

"The great hope is that, this Burton Away match, or rather its ramifications, doesn't cause greater damage to City's season in the weeks, or even months ahead."
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A very sensible observation and comment, from a genuine City Supporter.
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Not like the comments from the miserable BOF's ; that want City players fined, and severely punished etc.
CALL THEMSELVES CITY SUPPORTERS---Defo. NOT!!!!!.They would be better following 'WEEDS!!!'.and their disgraceful , " Hooli-Thug-Hoodies." ( NOT WANTED AT CITY!!)
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Cityman 23's comment is excellent. As I have said before --WE ALL NEVER STOP LEARNING--irrespecti
ve of AGE etc. What has happened, WILL be put down to gaining experience, for everyone involved with BCFC.
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It makes the CUP Match at Wigan, more of a challenge. A challenge that those players in the team, can not only rise to,--but exceed and achieve, beyond their capabilities.
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WELL DONE THE 5000 GENUINE CITY SUPPORTERS- WHO WILL BE SUPPORTING THE TEAM THAT PLAYS.
If more Supporters travel--WIGAN, will HAVE to open more gates/stands etc. The police will order the club to open their gates, to accommodate the genuine City faithful ( !0,000 !!! )
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Once again, well said Cityman 23.
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I have used capital letters to ensure the likes of TYKER--TVOR(NOT!)-SE
AN etc. etc. etc. Will--Wholly comprehend the comment?.
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We were dominated prior and post sending off. Neither centre half looked to be moving freely at any point in the match, Ollie was out warming his AT at half time Tuesday, Davies' is as likely to be an accumulation of bangs from throwing himself into situations. Both going to be missed. McHugh did okay when he came on.

Re the Stanton issue, 700 taunting 1 is okay but 1 taunting 700 is wrong? I know they should be more professional but the lad was barracked for a full 45.

Disappointed but we never looked like scoring and the better side won on the day.

Morning all. Before I post, this is nothing to do with sour milk. I was at the game yesterday and what I witnessed was a disgracefull act by Lee Gill and Nathan Stanton. I've just seen the red card bit on FL show,and as far as I can see, there was no contact with the forehead. Ravi seemed to nudge Lee with his left shoulder which actually moved Gill backwards a little and then seemed to move his head forwards but headbutting fresh air and of course Gill went down like a sack of spuds and got Ravi sent off. Not heard the ref's report but he may have sent him off for showing intent. Looking at the whole picture, Ravi is a professional footballer and he just had to stand there and exchange words or walk away. He knows the rules so why break them. I hear Parky is appealing the red card and I think he will get it recinded to a bollocking and nothing else. The reason being, that Mr Bell the silly pillock went on twitter and admitted to the whole world that there was no contact and he got Ravi sent off. These were his exact words.( I went down like a girl and what goes around comes around.) It's all on his Twitter account and visible to see. the FA should look into that aswell and maybe Gill will get a lengthy ban instead. Secondly After the game I along with my friends were sat in the Beach pub after the game and all the senior stewards were there sat with us. I myself during the game put in a complaint along with dozens of other city fans about Stantons actions.( my voice may return sometime today lol.) The senior steward I spoke to, had a word with us all and told us that the Burton Chairman was told about this during the game and a senior steward went to the Burton dug out to have words with the Manager. ( which I saw happen) It was all way through the second half that the City fans were having a go at him and I accually saw him turn round and tell the City fans to eff off. He kept on making some rude gestures and when Burton scored he then turned round and gave us the 1-0 signal shook his fist and then gave us the finger. After the final whistle he came towards the City fans and shook both fists and screamed yessss and kept doing it . the ref was right there to see it and did nothing. our lot surged forwards to thr front barriers and one or two were ready to storm the pitch and go after him. Why wasn't he red carded? isn't that inciting a possible riot. I also noticed Parky storm towards the center circle and have a right go at Stanton as if to say you are a disgrace. The police that were near us have asked the stewards to give them a full report. Stanton will cop it too. Back to the game. after the red card and the departure of Olly & Davo, it was an impossible task and I was just hoping to see the game through with a draw and that would have been an excellent point. The game is now history and it's time to move on and luck to the future. Let's stay possitive. c.t.i.d. The stewards also thanked the City fans for not storming the pitch and said that we did the right thing in speaking to them. The wheels have been set in motion and we will hear more of this later. One last thing. The whole world of football have got together to kick out RACISM and you get a TOOLHEAD in Stanton going the other way.

Bradford1903 wrote:
Seems like a case of an ex premiership ref feeling that they have to make a major decision, so as to vindicate that they are a top official, but they've ended up illustrating why they are the exact opposite.

The most noticable thing about league 2 this season to me, is how teams will blatantly time waste, dive, pressurise the ref, and feign injury to try and get the 3 points. The most frustrating thing though is how the refs seem to fall for it everytime.

Obviously there were mitigating circumstances yesterday, but if we want to be challenging for automatic promotion, we can't afford to be losing to the likes of Dagenham and Burton.

On the subject of cheating:

Regardless of referees making mistakes and having poor games, we have got to a stage where footballers are more than happy to cheat, be seen to be cheating by thousands if not millions of spectators and viewers on tv, and be prepared to admit, be proud and repeat there cheating ways again and again. These cheats are an absolute disgrace and they deserve to be banned and fined along with there Clubs for not putting a stop to this ruination of the game and extremely poor example for the younger generation to imitate.

Plenty of refs get slaughtered on Match of the day,sky sports and on web sites like this. It's about time the the pundits and supporters alike started to criticise and highlight these cheats more.

A good percentage of poor decisions by the refs are due to these cheats conning the refs. The fa should use video evidence to retrospectively red card the cheats. Lets get back to good honest footballers who win points for their Club. Diving, time-wasting, feigning injury etc, etc can be witnessed in practically every game nowadays and it will continue to get worse until the players and the Clubs are severely punished.

If I had to choose, then give me a good honest punch up between players (e.g. City v Crawley) to this cowardly cheating any-day where the real offenders get away scot free.

lonniejockstrap wrote:

Bradford1903 wrote:
Seems like a case of an ex premiership ref feeling that they have to make a major decision, so as to vindicate that they are a top official, but they've ended up illustrating why they are the exact opposite.

The most noticable thing about league 2 this season to me, is how teams will blatantly time waste, dive, pressurise the ref, and feign injury to try and get the 3 points. The most frustrating thing though is how the refs seem to fall for it everytime.

Obviously there were mitigating circumstances yesterday, but if we want to be challenging for automatic promotion, we can't afford to be losing to the likes of Dagenham and Burton.

On the subject of cheating:

Regardless of referees making mistakes and having poor games, we have got to a stage where footballers are more than happy to cheat, be seen to be cheating by thousands if not millions of spectators and viewers on tv, and be prepared to admit, be proud and repeat there cheating ways again and again. These cheats are an absolute disgrace and they deserve to be banned and fined along with there Clubs for not putting a stop to this ruination of the game and extremely poor example for the younger generation to imitate.

Plenty of refs get slaughtered on Match of the day,sky sports and on web sites like this. It's about time the the pundits and supporters alike started to criticise and highlight these cheats more.

A good percentage of poor decisions by the refs are due to these cheats conning the refs. The fa should use video evidence to retrospectively red card the cheats. Lets get back to good honest footballers who win points for their Club. Diving, time-wasting, feigning injury etc, etc can be witnessed in practically every game nowadays and it will continue to get worse until the players and the Clubs are severely punished.

If I had to choose, then give me a good honest punch up between players (e.g. City v Crawley) to this cowardly cheating any-day where the real offenders get away scot free.

'Their', 'their', 'their' doh!

Watched the so called "head butt" on FL show half a dozen times now and there is now way the sending off will not be wiped out.For me Ravenhill was just angry and MOVED his head forward as we all do to make a point in an argument as if to say you what or f off for example.
Their player admitting it on twitter total disgrace should be ashamed of himself and will get dogs abuse at our place.The worrying thing is the ref fell for it for the last few years i have been falling out of love with Premiership football due to all the mainly foreign players diving and cheating its now creaping into our league what a shame for football.The refs in our league are way too poor to stand up to it.
Not a huge fan of Hanson but congrats to him for working his rollocks off big respect there mate,and thank god in light of injuries we got G.Jones back what a player!

Had to stop previously cause the kids wanted their dinner.
But to finish off i know some will say its the rules you cant move your head etc and for me Wells getting booked in the last game is crazy these rules are getting daft and are not being implemented correctly.Its a poor do when a player cant show a bit of passion or celebrate a goal with their own fans in a non controversial way.Poor refs very low standard the red card will be wiped but whos gonna give us the 3 points back?
Losing Davies and Oliver is a disaster just hope neither is more than a knock or a slight strain.

No way a sending off and ref should have seen the acting! To be honest I don't care what we do in the cup games which I now see as an unwelcome distraction to the bread and butter of us getting out of the dog and duck league! Rest the centre backs for both games for me!!!

Victor Clayton wrote:

Sandy lane bantam wrote:
I was at the game today. The sending off was a joke. Ravenhill was kicked off the ball, squared up to the bloke but didnt touch him. Bell went down like he had been shot!

D'urso was poor throughout as per usual. We lost Davies and Oliver through injury to add to the woes of losing Ravenhill.

Second half we defended superbly and were unlucky to concede because Burton offered very little.

Day to forget due to the things that went against us. Wasnt a poor performance like at Rotherham though.

how well do you think Connell played, would Wells have made any difference?

Difficult to say as Connell didn't get much chance to show anything wi the sending off.

Wells would have given us pace in the second half as we had none due to the injuries which meant that parky couldn't bring Hines on when we were down to 10.

Seen the sending off of Ricky Ravenhill, a joke decision from a clown of a referee. Ravenhill did not make contact as he didn't throw his head at Bell or should it be Bellend, let's be brutally honest Bell got Ravenhill sent off by simulating being headbutted. Also thought both Thompson and McLaughlin were at fault for their goal. Thompson should have dealt with the situation but McLaughlin stood like a statue rather than dealing with the situation by continuing towards their player, for him to stand there made it so easy for their player to lob the ball into the box. Very poor decision making by our keeper and a bad mistake originally by Thompson. Thought the team deserved a point on their performance with 10 men.

Whilst not at the game, I do not rate Ravenhill as the captain of this club..i think the CITY faithful deserve a much better leader of men, it was a loss and against such teams we should be doing much better, we have vastly superior support than any other team in this league, some of whom have done much better with less resources..its still a long way to go until May..BAD Days "at the office" dont win promotions..

Sandy lane bantam wrote:

Victor Clayton wrote:

Sandy lane bantam wrote:
I was at the game today. The sending off was a joke. Ravenhill was kicked off the ball, squared up to the bloke but didnt touch him. Bell went down like he had been shot!

D'urso was poor throughout as per usual. We lost Davies and Oliver through injury to add to the woes of losing Ravenhill.

Second half we defended superbly and were unlucky to concede because Burton offered very little.

Day to forget due to the things that went against us. Wasnt a poor performance like at Rotherham though.

how well do you think Connell played, would Wells have made any difference?

Difficult to say as Connell didn't get much chance to show anything wi the sending off.

Wells would have given us pace in the second half as we had none due to the injuries which meant that parky couldn't bring Hines on when we were down to 10.

thanks, on the TV it looked like he might have on the ball just before the Ravenhill tackle.

Onebrianmitchell wrote:

macca1969 wrote:
Although I sympathize with Ricky and U still see him as a good player who is just finding his way back,he should be professional enough not to have put his head in the vicinity to even be accused of a head butt. We all know players act,we have seen out own do it let alone other teams. He may not have made any contact but should not have allowed the opportunity he gave the Burton.player to hoodwink the ref. I believe he has cost the club with his actions and no contact or not should be fined. The ref should also be sacked for another no show. He always was poor even in the prem so why should we endure him

Absolutely spot on there. If his head wasn't there the guy can't go down. And go down he did. He's just admitted it on twitter- "I went down like a little girl". Calm down Jimmy!!

What have we done to Lady Luck? We are taking our biggest following for an age to a PL club who beat West Ham today, and we lose the bedrock the team is formed on.

Whatever we did to her it must be bad!!

Even their manager said they were fortunate. It was a poor decision by D'urso who in my book should not referee another game never mind a div2 game. The acting was poor and wouldn't be out of place in Crossroads. They have to knock this kind of blatant cheating out of football. Even in the non-professional game that would have been frowned on. The players heads did come close but if you get chance to see it Ravenhills head doesn't move towards the player and the player goes down like as someone else said like, he had been shot. When I was playing you would never go out of your way to get someone sent off it shows a weekness in your own ability.

Spenvalleyspartan wrote:
No way a sending off and ref should have seen the acting! To be honest I don't care what we do in the cup games which I now see as an unwelcome distraction to the bread and butter of us getting out of the dog and duck league! Rest the centre backs for both games for me!!!

Don't rubbish this league when City win promotion at the end of the season this will be the greatest achievement from a City team in this division no matter what position they win it from. I have followed City since 1967 and this division is the hardest I have known.

would just like to to say un lucky city just not are day and ravo made 1 mistake and he all of a sudden the worse player that has ever donned the mighty claret and amber shirt EVER!! one game 1 poor result but still 5th now last time i checked the season finishes end of april or may for the play offs. so now we have a little break from the league and have a bit fo fun in the cups soto all you negatrons get behind the lads and parky and stop moanin or will you ever be happy?

It won't allow me to use the quote option on my phone Lonnie, but I completely agree.

The F.A have a real opportunity to do something for the good of the game, and hand retrospective bans to the cheats, but will they have the courage to do this; I very much doubt it. They are too busy handing out punishments for minor offences and acting in their own self interest.

From a refs point of view, I wonder how many of them actually watch games, because from seeing so many matches down the years, you know when a player goes down easily or tries to get another sent off, but they seem to have no appreciation of this.

Whoever it was that said refs know the rules but they don't know the game, was completely right.

“@WYSDaily: @bbcleeds sport headlines: #bcafc will not appeal Ricky Ravenhill's sending off in the game against Burton because of a lack of evidence.”

So Bell admits cheating on Twitter and the film showing no contact is not enough evidence.

If it was Jones City would be appealing.

We dot need Ravenhill now Jones is back !!

silverbantam wrote:
“@WYSDaily: @bbcleeds sport headlines: #bcafc will not appeal Ricky Ravenhill's sending off in the game against Burton because of a lack of evidence.” So Bell admits cheating on Twitter and the film showing no contact is not enough evidence. If it was Jones City would be appealing. We dot need Ravenhill now Jones is back !!

to be fair, it might mean we don't want to risk a longer ban. after all the way the FA seeing things is a bit of a mystery.