Bradford Bulls chiefs get down to business with Hetherington (From Bradford Telegraph and Argus)

Well done FC/SD learn from the experienced and wise. Larn from past failures too, speaking of which -

Bet Caisley is enjoying reading this................
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Steam Pigs wrote:
Well done FC/SD learn from the experienced and wise. Larn from past failures too, speaking of which -

Bet Caisley is enjoying reading this................

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Give it a rest SP. You are like an Obsessive insofar you won't change your mind nor will you change the subject.

Not that I have anything against them talking to GH, but It seems strange to involve him in our future management structure unless there is a reason, that we mere supporters haven't grasped yet?

Also it's like giving someone your watch and asking them the time.

Raise, what's strange, OK learning the business, sends his staff to LEARN from others, not a bad thing. Use to say GH is getting involved at Odsal. I don't think for one instance he's likely to come on board at Odsal.

I won't give it a rest, why should I? My opinion and I' m allowed it, problem I have is that its based on published facts, not how greasy Chris was with somone.......

Admin was instigated by whom again????

How is GH involved??? Duffy and FC went for advice!!! re-read the blooming article

Those with knowledge of management in business, don't usually seek advice from a competitor, particularly about their main product.

There are many people who instigated the concept of Super League in Bradford the ex players association for one, Brian Noble for another, Mick Potter, Gary Tasker, and of course Chris Caisley, Paul Medley, Ryan Duckett, Stuart Duffy (of course) Colin Tordoff, Rowland Agar, Steve Coulby, Robbie Paul and others, who are currently working for the RFL.

So why go to Leeds when we can pick any permutation we like from those people mentioned.

I would have gone to some people who knew our club, and will see the detail from a Bulls point of view, that's all.
Of all of them Brian Noble would be the best bet IMO. But from the ridiculous way he was treated from those that tell a wild speculative story, due to them not knowing what's going on, he may feel that we have turned our back on him?

SP you are actually right, they went for advice????

Question:
If you worked for Asda would you go to Morrisons for advice????

Your argument falters somewhat!

Viking I never suggested that GH would become involved at Odsal, but Paul Caddick has had designs in the past?

Shall we say I'm still perplexed by it all.
(Once again though I will reiterate that I have nothing against GH, he is a man who cares and sticks up for the game of Rugby League.)

I think its good GH is willing to give advice, it`s not like Asda V Tesco, it`s for the good of the game. Maybe if all the clubs were run on the Leeds model maybe some clubs would not be struggling financially.
Also maybe he now sees that Voldermorte is off the scene it`s a better environment to share ideas!.

I think it's nice that "the sleeve" is prepared to give advice to a new club.
We are the champions of SL yet again, so surely any advice would be more that welcome by a club in it's infancy.

Capabull wrote:
I think its good GH is willing to give advice, it`s not like Asda V Tesco, it`s for the good of the game. Maybe if all the clubs were run on the Leeds model maybe some clubs would not be struggling financially.
Also maybe he now sees that Voldermorte is off the scene it`s a better environment to share ideas!.

Unfortunately capa. Business is just like Asda v Tesco, and if you are old enough to remember the first launch of Super League. Bradford were the experts, and many teams followed our example, which included Leeds.

We still have those people around us, they are "Bradford Bulls" people. We should be speaking to them first and foremost.
I agree Leeds have a good model, and it is a pleasure to see it in action.
However a lot of what they do is a mirror image of what we did in the early days of the Super League era. Let's explore what we have first, I would say.
It's a shame that Gary Tasker left us for personal reasons. Gary has the model for what the club can achieve. It may have been prudent to have phoned him first, for his thoughts.
What the game needs now is a complete think tank of ideas, involving all clubs, GH has a good handle to that, maybe that's the relevance of this meeting of minds. If that's the case it can only be a good thing, and I'll agree with everything that's been said, by the forum members, with some exceptions of course.

Shelfrhino wrote:
I think it's nice that "the sleeve" is prepared to give advice to a new club.
We are the champions of SL yet again, so surely any advice would be more that welcome by a club in it's infancy.

There you go folks, Shelf has really shown what "Leading with the Chin means"

We will never persuade some people that this wasn't a trip of homage, even though we know different.

One thing you never lose and that's the initiative.

Raise wrote "Business is just like Asda v Tesco, and if you are old enough to remember the first launch of Super League. Bradford were the experts, and many teams followed our example, which included Leeds."

I dont think Asda would have helped Tesco out if they were struggling in administration, but Leeds Warrington Huddersfield and Widnes did help us out even tho we are rivals in sport.
And yes I do remember the launch of SL, in fact I was there for the re launch of Bradford Northern in 64 and unfortunately the demise of the old club in Nov 63. Then we were helped out by other clubs who let us have good players cheap or for free because we were part of the RL family not a competing grocery giant.

knowledge is power. You need to seek advice from wherever you can. You're not forced to use it all. You can be sure Asda take lots of notice of what tesco do & if they were invited to take a closer look would jump at the opportunity. Well done Bulls not too proud to think we know it all. A great attitude to have things can only get bet better.

bradfordbronco wrote:
knowledge is power. You need to seek advice from wherever you can. You're not forced to use it all. You can be sure Asda take lots of notice of what tesco do & if they were invited to take a closer look would jump at the opportunity. Well done Bulls not too proud to think we know it all. A great attitude to have things can only get bet better.

We're all happy then, will go along with what you all think, I would never look a gift horse in the mouth.

I just have some reservations, that's all!

raisemeup wrote:

Capabull wrote:
I think its good GH is willing to give advice, it`s not like Asda V Tesco, it`s for the good of the game. Maybe if all the clubs were run on the Leeds model maybe some clubs would not be struggling financially.
Also maybe he now sees that Voldermorte is off the scene it`s a better environment to share ideas!.

Unfortunately capa. Business is just like Asda v Tesco, and if you are old enough to remember the first launch of Super League. Bradford were the experts, and many teams followed our example, which included Leeds.

We still have those people around us, they are "Bradford Bulls" people. We should be speaking to them first and foremost.
I agree Leeds have a good model, and it is a pleasure to see it in action.
However a lot of what they do is a mirror image of what we did in the early days of the Super League era. Let's explore what we have first, I would say.
It's a shame that Gary Tasker left us for personal reasons. Gary has the model for what the club can achieve. It may have been prudent to have phoned him first, for his thoughts.
What the game needs now is a complete think tank of ideas, involving all clubs, GH has a good handle to that, maybe that's the relevance of this meeting of minds. If that's the case it can only be a good thing, and I'll agree with everything that's been said, by the forum members, with some exceptions of course.

For your information, Gary Tasker saw Gary Hetherington about five times in his short tenure at the Bulls. It was him who advised FC/SD to talk to him. He is not someone who led this club into the abyss. He is a successful owner of a RL club and can hopefully give advice on how to run the football side of a club without taking it into administration, which several others you have mentioned have certainly done.

raisemeup wrote:
Those with knowledge of management in business, don't usually seek advice from a competitor, particularly about their main product.

There are many people who instigated the concept of Super League in Bradford the ex players association for one, Brian Noble for another, Mick Potter, Gary Tasker, and of course Chris Caisley, Paul Medley, Ryan Duckett, Stuart Duffy (of course) Colin Tordoff, Rowland Agar, Steve Coulby, Robbie Paul and others, who are currently working for the RFL.

So why go to Leeds when we can pick any permutation we like from those people mentioned.

I would have gone to some people who knew our club, and will see the detail from a Bulls point of view, that's all.
Of all of them Brian Noble would be the best bet IMO. But from the ridiculous way he was treated from those that tell a wild speculative story, due to them not knowing what's going on, he may feel that we have turned our back on him?

SP you are actually right, they went for advice????

Question:
If you worked for Asda would you go to Morrisons for advice????

Your argument falters somewhat!

Viking I never suggested that GH would become involved at Odsal, but Paul Caddick has had designs in the past?

Shall we say I'm still perplexed by it all.
(Once again though I will reiterate that I have nothing against GH, he is a man who cares and sticks up for the game of Rugby League.)

Ever heard of head huntng?? Why would a company want to employ a rivals companies man/woman???? Knowledge and experiene????

you obviousy know nothing about business........

out of your little list you missed the most imporrtant chap of all out

PETER DEAKIN

Steam Pigs wrote:

raisemeup wrote:
Those with knowledge of management in business, don't usually seek advice from a competitor, particularly about their main product.

There are many people who instigated the concept of Super League in Bradford the ex players association for one, Brian Noble for another, Mick Potter, Gary Tasker, and of course Chris Caisley, Paul Medley, Ryan Duckett, Stuart Duffy (of course) Colin Tordoff, Rowland Agar, Steve Coulby, Robbie Paul and others, who are currently working for the RFL.

So why go to Leeds when we can pick any permutation we like from those people mentioned.

I would have gone to some people who knew our club, and will see the detail from a Bulls point of view, that's all.
Of all of them Brian Noble would be the best bet IMO. But from the ridiculous way he was treated from those that tell a wild speculative story, due to them not knowing what's going on, he may feel that we have turned our back on him?

SP you are actually right, they went for advice????

Question:
If you worked for Asda would you go to Morrisons for advice????

Your argument falters somewhat!

Viking I never suggested that GH would become involved at Odsal, but Paul Caddick has had designs in the past?

Shall we say I'm still perplexed by it all.
(Once again though I will reiterate that I have nothing against GH, he is a man who cares and sticks up for the game of Rugby League.)

Ever heard of head huntng?? Why would a company want to employ a rivals companies man/woman???? Knowledge and experiene????

you obviousy know nothing about business........

out of your little list you missed the most imporrtant chap of all out

PETER DEAKIN

You are an idiot aren't you Peter died many years ago. A loss to the game and to his family.

You behave like a troll sound like a troll so therefore that's probably what you are.

raisemeup wrote:

Steam Pigs wrote:

raisemeup wrote:
Those with knowledge of management in business, don't usually seek advice from a competitor, particularly about their main product.

There are many people who instigated the concept of Super League in Bradford the ex players association for one, Brian Noble for another, Mick Potter, Gary Tasker, and of course Chris Caisley, Paul Medley, Ryan Duckett, Stuart Duffy (of course) Colin Tordoff, Rowland Agar, Steve Coulby, Robbie Paul and others, who are currently working for the RFL.

So why go to Leeds when we can pick any permutation we like from those people mentioned.

I would have gone to some people who knew our club, and will see the detail from a Bulls point of view, that's all.
Of all of them Brian Noble would be the best bet IMO. But from the ridiculous way he was treated from those that tell a wild speculative story, due to them not knowing what's going on, he may feel that we have turned our back on him?

SP you are actually right, they went for advice????

Question:
If you worked for Asda would you go to Morrisons for advice????

Your argument falters somewhat!

Viking I never suggested that GH would become involved at Odsal, but Paul Caddick has had designs in the past?

Shall we say I'm still perplexed by it all.
(Once again though I will reiterate that I have nothing against GH, he is a man who cares and sticks up for the game of Rugby League.)

Ever heard of head huntng?? Why would a company want to employ a rivals companies man/woman???? Knowledge and experiene????

you obviousy know nothing about business........

out of your little list you missed the most imporrtant chap of all out

PETER DEAKIN

You are an idiot aren't you Peter died many years ago. A loss to the game and to his family.

You behave like a troll sound like a troll so therefore that's probably what you are.

I am well aware Mr Deakin passed away

however, again you fail to acknowledge when you are wrong and misguided

name calling....hmmmmmm without grounds too

VERY MATURE

Note ..

Huddersfield Vultures in no way helped out the Bulls .. infact the opposite with regards to ticket sales etc!

They also approached 2 of our sponsors and a "number" of out players! obviously with one deciding to go.

Well played leeds ... i dont expect the meeting to be have been that in depth but i can imagine certain pointers have been made! .. still think we need an experienced director of rugby in place to help out a little.

pweibj67 wrote:
Note ..

Huddersfield Vultures in no way helped out the Bulls .. infact the opposite with regards to ticket sales etc!

They also approached 2 of our sponsors and a "number" of out players! obviously with one deciding to go.

Well played leeds ... i dont expect the meeting to be have been that in depth but i can imagine certain pointers have been made! .. still think we need an experienced director of rugby in place to help out a little.

You are right re Huddersfield, I mentioned them because I seem to remember them publicising the fact that they would not keep the money made from sales of tickets to Bulls supporters. But many people since then have questioned their tactics re our players.
What goes round comes around they say---- hopefully it will.

Bad move this...certainly to run an article on it. GH has been very fortunate to have Mr Caddick by his side. If we would have had him we wouldn't have run into the problems we did.
For me the emphasis has to be in finding a sugar dadd. With Omar's connections hopefully that can come from an Asian super rich guy. however I am very sexist, forgive me and I think our next CE should be that very pretty blonde business lady. Knowing like most men our basic instinct is to never say no to a women particularly a pretty one

Steam Pigs wrote:

raisemeup wrote:

Steam Pigs wrote:

raisemeup wrote:
Those with knowledge of management in business, don't usually seek advice from a competitor, particularly about their main product.

There are many people who instigated the concept of Super League in Bradford the ex players association for one, Brian Noble for another, Mick Potter, Gary Tasker, and of course Chris Caisley, Paul Medley, Ryan Duckett, Stuart Duffy (of course) Colin Tordoff, Rowland Agar, Steve Coulby, Robbie Paul and others, who are currently working for the RFL.

So why go to Leeds when we can pick any permutation we like from those people mentioned.

I would have gone to some people who knew our club, and will see the detail from a Bulls point of view, that's all.
Of all of them Brian Noble would be the best bet IMO. But from the ridiculous way he was treated from those that tell a wild speculative story, due to them not knowing what's going on, he may feel that we have turned our back on him?

SP you are actually right, they went for advice????

Question:
If you worked for Asda would you go to Morrisons for advice????

Your argument falters somewhat!

Viking I never suggested that GH would become involved at Odsal, but Paul Caddick has had designs in the past?

Shall we say I'm still perplexed by it all.
(Once again though I will reiterate that I have nothing against GH, he is a man who cares and sticks up for the game of Rugby League.)

Ever heard of head huntng?? Why would a company want to employ a rivals companies man/woman???? Knowledge and experiene????

you obviousy know nothing about business........

out of your little list you missed the most imporrtant chap of all out

PETER DEAKIN

You are an idiot aren't you Peter died many years ago. A loss to the game and to his family.

You behave like a troll sound like a troll so therefore that's probably what you are.

I am well aware Mr Deakin passed away

however, again you fail to acknowledge when you are wrong and misguided

name calling....hmmmmmm without grounds too

VERY MATURE

So why bring it up. You hoped I would respond not knowing the history, didn't you?

You will use anything to get your point over, even if it is both repugnant and reprehensible on your part. It is of no consequence, is it?
You cannot enter any debate without without snide comments into it!

The style you use is not like the SP of old, therefore you are either a reincarnation of Walter Mitty or another sad useless Troll, which is it?

The reasoning behind my posts is to pose questions that get some debate going. Debate should find out what we feel collectively, all you seem to be concerned about is your own vanity, even to the extent to using a cheap jibe involving a truly innovative and well liked personality that did so much good for our club, as did many others.

I am not wrong in anything I have said, mainly because most of it is fact.
Fact unlike opinion is based on knowledge whereas opinions are a series of, usually, reasonable assumptions,and again, usually by intelligent people who appreciate that others may hold different viewpoints, but are mature enough to air those views with the hope that others either agree or put forward another opinion that is more valid , or gives a new dimension to the discussion.

The problem with this forum is that a lot of people are more concerned with their own opinions and arguments, rather than debates.
Do you know the definition of an argument?

No I expect not!
It's usually a discussion with ones own ego, with no winners!

I will not open any further dialogue with you.

PS: Please read again what I tried to convey to readers,ie that the people mentioned were still available, which of course is why Peter wasn't mentioned.

raisemeup wrote:
Those with knowledge of management in business, don't usually seek advice from a competitor, particularly about their main product.

There are many people who instigated the concept of Super League in Bradford the ex players association for one, Brian Noble for another, Mick Potter, Gary Tasker, and of course Chris Caisley, Paul Medley, Ryan Duckett, Stuart Duffy (of course) Colin Tordoff, Rowland Agar, Steve Coulby, Robbie Paul and others, who are currently working for the RFL.

So why go to Leeds when we can pick any permutation we like from those people mentioned.

I would have gone to some people who knew our club, and will see the detail from a Bulls point of view, that's all.
Of all of them Brian Noble would be the best bet IMO. But from the ridiculous way he was treated from those that tell a wild speculative story, due to them not knowing what's going on, he may feel that we have turned our back on him?

SP you are actually right, they went for advice????

Question:
If you worked for Asda would you go to Morrisons for advice????

Your argument falters somewhat!

Viking I never suggested that GH would become involved at Odsal, but Paul Caddick has had designs in the past?

Shall we say I'm still perplexed by it all.
(Once again though I will reiterate that I have nothing against GH, he is a man who cares and sticks up for the game of Rugby League.)

Oh how wrong can one man be?

It is a regular occurrence in business to seek advice from peers, suppliers, customers & yes Competitors

I have lost count of the number of business conferences I have attended where organisations are openly sharing best practice with competitors

Trade organisations exist across all aspects of commerce to promote best practice & grow the market by doing just that sharing best practice

The practice of benchmarking is common place where one company will openly work with others in their field to identify best practice

& we "with knowledge of management in business" are able to charge clients handsomely for facilitating such activities

So hats off to Franny & Stuart as they have managed to get the chairman of not only one of the most successful clubs in recent times (oh how it pains me to say that!!), but also one of the strongest commercially & financially to share his wisdom for free

There is no mention of him joining the management team thats just your misreading of the article & bumbling blind assumption

It is forging partnerships like this that will make the commercial aspect of the business sounder

I wonder if you would have had a similar opinion if the article had been about FC seeking coaching tips from a leading NRL coach!!

Reading Bullette wrote:

raisemeup wrote:

Capabull wrote:
I think its good GH is willing to give advice, it`s not like Asda V Tesco, it`s for the good of the game. Maybe if all the clubs were run on the Leeds model maybe some clubs would not be struggling financially.
Also maybe he now sees that Voldermorte is off the scene it`s a better environment to share ideas!.

Unfortunately capa. Business is just like Asda v Tesco, and if you are old enough to remember the first launch of Super League. Bradford were the experts, and many teams followed our example, which included Leeds.

We still have those people around us, they are "Bradford Bulls" people. We should be speaking to them first and foremost.
I agree Leeds have a good model, and it is a pleasure to see it in action.
However a lot of what they do is a mirror image of what we did in the early days of the Super League era. Let's explore what we have first, I would say.
It's a shame that Gary Tasker left us for personal reasons. Gary has the model for what the club can achieve. It may have been prudent to have phoned him first, for his thoughts.
What the game needs now is a complete think tank of ideas, involving all clubs, GH has a good handle to that, maybe that's the relevance of this meeting of minds. If that's the case it can only be a good thing, and I'll agree with everything that's been said, by the forum members, with some exceptions of course.

For your information, Gary Tasker saw Gary Hetherington about five times in his short tenure at the Bulls. It was him who advised FC/SD to talk to him. He is not someone who led this club into the abyss. He is a successful owner of a RL club and can hopefully give advice on how to run the football side of a club without taking it into administration, which several others you have mentioned have certainly done.

You know this How?

PS You know Blake Solly?
Who did the job at the RFL before Blake?

So you may be right, Gary certainly would have known the people to talk to.

If you castigate all the people mentioned, then you would have to say Gary was one of them, he along with CC and others were the brains behind our success as a Super League Club, would you then dismiss him also? Please don't blinker yourself into thinking that our success for the future lies in anyone's hands but our own!

None of the mentioned people took us into administration and unfortunately if we hadn't gone into the hands of the insolvency practitioner and gained the protection of the courts, we would not be needing to even discuss this.

Put it another way some of the names mentioned may have been our saviours? All water under the bridge now. No comment needed to a rhetorical question.

So COYB as we all believe in the same subject with the best possible outcome for 2013.

mines a pint wrote:

raisemeup wrote:
Those with knowledge of management in business, don't usually seek advice from a competitor, particularly about their main product.

There are many people who instigated the concept of Super League in Bradford the ex players association for one, Brian Noble for another, Mick Potter, Gary Tasker, and of course Chris Caisley, Paul Medley, Ryan Duckett, Stuart Duffy (of course) Colin Tordoff, Rowland Agar, Steve Coulby, Robbie Paul and others, who are currently working for the RFL.

So why go to Leeds when we can pick any permutation we like from those people mentioned.

I would have gone to some people who knew our club, and will see the detail from a Bulls point of view, that's all.
Of all of them Brian Noble would be the best bet IMO. But from the ridiculous way he was treated from those that tell a wild speculative story, due to them not knowing what's going on, he may feel that we have turned our back on him?

SP you are actually right, they went for advice????

Question:
If you worked for Asda would you go to Morrisons for advice????

Your argument falters somewhat!

Viking I never suggested that GH would become involved at Odsal, but Paul Caddick has had designs in the past?

Shall we say I'm still perplexed by it all.
(Once again though I will reiterate that I have nothing against GH, he is a man who cares and sticks up for the game of Rugby League.)

Oh how wrong can one man be?

It is a regular occurrence in business to seek advice from peers, suppliers, customers & yes Competitors

I have lost count of the number of business conferences I have attended where organisations are openly sharing best practice with competitors

Trade organisations exist across all aspects of commerce to promote best practice & grow the market by doing just that sharing best practice

The practice of benchmarking is common place where one company will openly work with others in their field to identify best practice

& we "with knowledge of management in business" are able to charge clients handsomely for facilitating such activities

So hats off to Franny & Stuart as they have managed to get the chairman of not only one of the most successful clubs in recent times (oh how it pains me to say that!!), but also one of the strongest commercially & financially to share his wisdom for free

There is no mention of him joining the management team thats just your misreading of the article & bumbling blind assumption

It is forging partnerships like this that will make the commercial aspect of the business sounder

I wonder if you would have had a similar opinion if the article had been about FC seeking coaching tips from a leading NRL coach!!

You don't read article you comment on do you?

Partly you are right, but in all my business dealing I did not share ideas with competitors....conte
mpories and consultants-experts and clients, suppliers-Agencies from the UK and abroad etc.certainly.

I never once suggested GH joining any management of the Bulls, that's your misreading of the post.

Your last para. is absolutely correct as both Brian Noble and Matty Elliot had Brian Smith as a mentor, at times. I even suggested that FC may find Mick Potter will help.

You notice with my obvious lack of business accumen that the people I mentioned have no conflict of interest in the advice they give. Again though I have no reason to doubt GH, which again is apparent in my posts. If you took the time to read them.

As my wife just said "I think you are wasting your time???"

Raise, you are wasting your time, why bother. If you kept your posts short and to the point. People may understand, more readily, what you are trying to say. Too many facts, too much confusion. The major facts, new club going forward needs ALL the help they can get. Needs ALL the money they can get. Now who can give them this knowledge of how to get both. Why, other people, of course. Be they from other clubs or outside agencies.

Your personal vendetta with Steam, is not doing anything for this site and vice versa.

raisemeup wrote:

mines a pint wrote:

raisemeup wrote:
Those with knowledge of management in business, don't usually seek advice from a competitor, particularly about their main product.

There are many people who instigated the concept of Super League in Bradford the ex players association for one, Brian Noble for another, Mick Potter, Gary Tasker, and of course Chris Caisley, Paul Medley, Ryan Duckett, Stuart Duffy (of course) Colin Tordoff, Rowland Agar, Steve Coulby, Robbie Paul and others, who are currently working for the RFL.

So why go to Leeds when we can pick any permutation we like from those people mentioned.

I would have gone to some people who knew our club, and will see the detail from a Bulls point of view, that's all.
Of all of them Brian Noble would be the best bet IMO. But from the ridiculous way he was treated from those that tell a wild speculative story, due to them not knowing what's going on, he may feel that we have turned our back on him?

SP you are actually right, they went for advice????

Question:
If you worked for Asda would you go to Morrisons for advice????

Your argument falters somewhat!

Viking I never suggested that GH would become involved at Odsal, but Paul Caddick has had designs in the past?

Shall we say I'm still perplexed by it all.
(Once again though I will reiterate that I have nothing against GH, he is a man who cares and sticks up for the game of Rugby League.)

Oh how wrong can one man be?

It is a regular occurrence in business to seek advice from peers, suppliers, customers & yes Competitors

I have lost count of the number of business conferences I have attended where organisations are openly sharing best practice with competitors

Trade organisations exist across all aspects of commerce to promote best practice & grow the market by doing just that sharing best practice

The practice of benchmarking is common place where one company will openly work with others in their field to identify best practice

& we "with knowledge of management in business" are able to charge clients handsomely for facilitating such activities

So hats off to Franny & Stuart as they have managed to get the chairman of not only one of the most successful clubs in recent times (oh how it pains me to say that!!), but also one of the strongest commercially & financially to share his wisdom for free

There is no mention of him joining the management team thats just your misreading of the article & bumbling blind assumption

It is forging partnerships like this that will make the commercial aspect of the business sounder

I wonder if you would have had a similar opinion if the article had been about FC seeking coaching tips from a leading NRL coach!!

You don't read article you comment on do you?

Partly you are right, but in all my business dealing I did not share ideas with competitors....conte

mpories and consultants-experts and clients, suppliers-Agencies from the UK and abroad etc.certainly.

I never once suggested GH joining any management of the Bulls, that's your misreading of the post.

Your last para. is absolutely correct as both Brian Noble and Matty Elliot had Brian Smith as a mentor, at times. I even suggested that FC may find Mick Potter will help.

You notice with my obvious lack of business accumen that the people I mentioned have no conflict of interest in the advice they give. Again though I have no reason to doubt GH, which again is apparent in my posts. If you took the time to read them.

As my wife just said "I think you are wasting your time???"

Really!!!

never once suggested GH joining any management of the Bulls, that's your misreading of the post.

I quote from your first post

"Not that I have anything against them talking to GH, but It seems strange to involve him in our future management structure unless there is a reason, that we mere supporters haven't grasped yet?"

Clearly you dont even read your own posts

As for your "business dealings" well the least said about them the better

I will continue facilitating benchmarking & best practice workshops for my blue chip clients & profit handsomely from it"

Those of you "business men" still in the dark ages will stay there concentrating more on keeping secret what you think is somehow unique whilst those around grow from strength to strength

mines a pint wrote:

raisemeup wrote:

mines a pint wrote:

raisemeup wrote:
Those with knowledge of management in business, don't usually seek advice from a competitor, particularly about their main product.

There are many people who instigated the concept of Super League in Bradford the ex players association for one, Brian Noble for another, Mick Potter, Gary Tasker, and of course Chris Caisley, Paul Medley, Ryan Duckett, Stuart Duffy (of course) Colin Tordoff, Rowland Agar, Steve Coulby, Robbie Paul and others, who are currently working for the RFL.

So why go to Leeds when we can pick any permutation we like from those people mentioned.

I would have gone to some people who knew our club, and will see the detail from a Bulls point of view, that's all.
Of all of them Brian Noble would be the best bet IMO. But from the ridiculous way he was treated from those that tell a wild speculative story, due to them not knowing what's going on, he may feel that we have turned our back on him?

SP you are actually right, they went for advice????

Question:
If you worked for Asda would you go to Morrisons for advice????

Your argument falters somewhat!

Viking I never suggested that GH would become involved at Odsal, but Paul Caddick has had designs in the past?

Shall we say I'm still perplexed by it all.
(Once again though I will reiterate that I have nothing against GH, he is a man who cares and sticks up for the game of Rugby League.)

Oh how wrong can one man be?

It is a regular occurrence in business to seek advice from peers, suppliers, customers & yes Competitors

I have lost count of the number of business conferences I have attended where organisations are openly sharing best practice with competitors

Trade organisations exist across all aspects of commerce to promote best practice & grow the market by doing just that sharing best practice

The practice of benchmarking is common place where one company will openly work with others in their field to identify best practice

& we "with knowledge of management in business" are able to charge clients handsomely for facilitating such activities

So hats off to Franny & Stuart as they have managed to get the chairman of not only one of the most successful clubs in recent times (oh how it pains me to say that!!), but also one of the strongest commercially & financially to share his wisdom for free

There is no mention of him joining the management team thats just your misreading of the article & bumbling blind assumption

It is forging partnerships like this that will make the commercial aspect of the business sounder

I wonder if you would have had a similar opinion if the article had been about FC seeking coaching tips from a leading NRL coach!!

You don't read article you comment on do you?

Partly you are right, but in all my business dealing I did not share ideas with competitors....conte


mpories and consultants-experts and clients, suppliers-Agencies from the UK and abroad etc.certainly.

I never once suggested GH joining any management of the Bulls, that's your misreading of the post.

Your last para. is absolutely correct as both Brian Noble and Matty Elliot had Brian Smith as a mentor, at times. I even suggested that FC may find Mick Potter will help.

You notice with my obvious lack of business accumen that the people I mentioned have no conflict of interest in the advice they give. Again though I have no reason to doubt GH, which again is apparent in my posts. If you took the time to read them.

As my wife just said "I think you are wasting your time???"

Really!!!

never once suggested GH joining any management of the Bulls, that's your misreading of the post.

I quote from your first post

"Not that I have anything against them talking to GH, but It seems strange to involve him in our future management structure unless there is a reason, that we mere supporters haven't grasped yet?"

Clearly you dont even read your own posts

As for your "business dealings" well the least said about them the better

I will continue facilitating benchmarking & best practice workshops for my blue chip clients & profit handsomely from it"

Those of you "business men" still in the dark ages will stay there concentrating more on keeping secret what you think is somehow unique whilst those around grow from strength to strength

Funnily enough involving someone in your affairs, is invariably discussing them without actually employing them.
So if you read it wrong, what can I say.

Why do you consider throwing out wild speculative information about your 'Blue Chip' clients. and using jargonease cuts no ice whatsoever.
Not really relevant is it, don't want to discuss it as you haven't any real debating technique.
Waste of more time.

Your wife was right.
They usually are till they f**k off.
Then they probably still think they are.

You are wasting your time with the three buskertears.

Viking steam Pig Capa/Sheffield Bully.

Waste a space the lot.

You may aswell talk to the wife Raisemeup.

And when are you going to paint that bl**dy ceiling.

You must be a glutten for punishment.

Having the wife look over your shoulder as you post and putting up with the drivel that lot put out.

No wonder the T & A circulation is down to less than 30000.

Viking will be starting his own news paper soon.