Rochdale 0 Bradford City 0

Frustrated City had to settle for a goalless draw against a Rochdale side who spent over an hour with ten men.

Striker Bobby Grant was sent off after 35 minutes as the visitors proceeded to camp in home territory for the rest of the game. But there was no cutting edge to show for it.

It was a feisty first half played at a fierce pace. Tackles flew in and Rochdale were reduced to ten men ten minutes before the break. Striker Grant flew into a nasty tackle on Rory McArdle and was sent straight off by referee James Adcock.

City had lost Kyel Reid to injury after 26 minutes but once again looked a threat going forward. But none of their shots on target had tested home keeper Josh Lillis.

Phil Parkinson’s side were already without Gary Jones, who missed the reunion with his former club because of a back injury. Ricky Ravenhill took his place and headed over with a good chance at the start of the second half.

The skipper then thumped another shot straight at Lillis as City looked to make the man advantage count.

But for all their superior possession, too many of City’s attacks went nowhere.

The closest they came was six minutes from time when Andrew Davies saw his shot from a corner cleared off the line by Joe Rafferty. Hines was not too far off with an angled shot late on but City could not make their advantage pay.

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9:41pm Tue 2 Oct 12

Peter Beagrie Is Mint says...

Poor result!
Looks like lightning does strike twice. A rather worrying trend of not being able to finish things off, is developing.
Still missing a goal scoring striker.
Poor result! Looks like lightning does strike twice. A rather worrying trend of not being able to finish things off, is developing. Still missing a goal scoring striker. Peter Beagrie Is Mint

9:43pm Tue 2 Oct 12

doneBD4 says...

A point is better than nothing......

Must do a lot better come Saturday or we will start to lose ground on the top seven.
A point is better than nothing...... Must do a lot better come Saturday or we will start to lose ground on the top seven. doneBD4

9:45pm Tue 2 Oct 12

Bantam76 says...

Would've probably taken a point before the game, especially losing Jones before the game, however, a point earned and a clean sheet on the road, at least we went for it!

We just have to remain positive and keep going - it'll come!
Would've probably taken a point before the game, especially losing Jones before the game, however, a point earned and a clean sheet on the road, at least we went for it! We just have to remain positive and keep going - it'll come! Bantam76

9:46pm Tue 2 Oct 12

cookie_brighton says...

the 3 points were there for the taking...........ove
r an hour playing against 10 men.
ctid
the 3 points were there for the taking...........ove r an hour playing against 10 men. ctid cookie_brighton

9:58pm Tue 2 Oct 12

dannbradfc says...

Normally a draw here would be a good result but considering they had 10 for an half and we may have lost Reid for some games (hopefully not) then it feels disappointing.

We are a side difficult to beat but i've raised my concerns about us creating goals and now the main service/provider in Reid gets injured demonstrates how much we may miss him if he doesn't play. Two blanks on the trot maybe misleading has we still had chances but alot of them are half chances.

We ain't going to score many in open play from the full-backs, Atkinson, Ravenhil, Jones, and even doyle thus we are reliant on a relatively few players at present to get the goals required. We are still in a much better position than previous seasons and indeed it shows progression that we can be disappointed with a draw away to a team that will be around the play-offs. Still need to have an option other than set-pieces for me when Reid isn't playing.Neither Atkinson nor hines have fully convinced me yet that they can deliver/threaten consistently enough. For me this is where the full backs needs to be allowed to over-lap and interchange when going forward. We still i point out had chances to score but feel this needs addressing if we are to challenge for the automatic places. Can't believe that we've only got the 1 point from the last two games whenit should have at least been 4. However Reid and 10 men aside its another very useful point in what is already a more interesting and hopeful season than the previous two.
Normally a draw here would be a good result but considering they had 10 for an half and we may have lost Reid for some games (hopefully not) then it feels disappointing. We are a side difficult to beat but i've raised my concerns about us creating goals and now the main service/provider in Reid gets injured demonstrates how much we may miss him if he doesn't play. Two blanks on the trot maybe misleading has we still had chances but alot of them are half chances. We ain't going to score many in open play from the full-backs, Atkinson, Ravenhil, Jones, and even doyle thus we are reliant on a relatively few players at present to get the goals required. We are still in a much better position than previous seasons and indeed it shows progression that we can be disappointed with a draw away to a team that will be around the play-offs. Still need to have an option other than set-pieces for me when Reid isn't playing.Neither Atkinson nor hines have fully convinced me yet that they can deliver/threaten consistently enough. For me this is where the full backs needs to be allowed to over-lap and interchange when going forward. We still i point out had chances to score but feel this needs addressing if we are to challenge for the automatic places. Can't believe that we've only got the 1 point from the last two games whenit should have at least been 4. However Reid and 10 men aside its another very useful point in what is already a more interesting and hopeful season than the previous two. dannbradfc

9:59pm Tue 2 Oct 12

nowt fresh says...

I don't have a problem with taking a point at Rochdale even against 10 men for 50 + minutes 20 shots on target, 9 off target, just the final third where we need to be more clinical, three points at Dag & Red and were back in the mix,even after only taking one point from a possible six were still in top severn !!.
I don't have a problem with taking a point at Rochdale even against 10 men for 50 + minutes 20 shots on target, 9 off target, just the final third where we need to be more clinical, three points at Dag & Red and were back in the mix,even after only taking one point from a possible six were still in top severn !!. nowt fresh

10:02pm Tue 2 Oct 12

1 bingley bantam says...

Aaaarghh Accy all over again a team that was there for the taking.Gotta finish teams like this off in these situations.Dont agree again with matching them with our line up we have the players to make them think about us if we go for it.these 2 games 4 points dropped IMO due to PPS negative approach.
Yes great start to the season but those 4 points what a difference they could make come the end of the season.
Would like PP to justify Atkinson starting again he is not good enough couldnt make it but listened to it and when Atkinson took corners sounded comicaly bad.
I know i am a million miles from being Atkinsons biggest fan but come on!
Oh well onwards and upwards to 3 points on Saturday (bet ya million quid again Atkinson features LOL)
Aaaarghh Accy all over again a team that was there for the taking.Gotta finish teams like this off in these situations.Dont agree again with matching them with our line up we have the players to make them think about us if we go for it.these 2 games 4 points dropped IMO due to PPS negative approach. Yes great start to the season but those 4 points what a difference they could make come the end of the season. Would like PP to justify Atkinson starting again he is not good enough couldnt make it but listened to it and when Atkinson took corners sounded comicaly bad. I know i am a million miles from being Atkinsons biggest fan but come on! Oh well onwards and upwards to 3 points on Saturday (bet ya million quid again Atkinson features LOL) 1 bingley bantam

10:05pm Tue 2 Oct 12

Village Bantam says...

I'm a big PP fan and supported him through last season and will continue to do so but I think he's made a mistake in letting Hannah go out on loan.

He does like a big man up front so Hanson's first on the team sheet but I don't think Wells will be as successful as he was last year.

We were a different team last season, where the opposition came at us without fear, leaving gaps for Nahki to exploit with his pace.
This year, we're dominating teams from start to finish and they're now defending deep.

Nahki might be able to run like a greyhound and he's got a wicked shot on him but he got short changed when they handed out brains and so he cannot link play or forward think and when you take away his pace, then you're left with a very average player.

For me, Hannah is the missing link, 52 goals for Matlock in the season before he joined us, non league sure but you have to have talent to do that. Jamie Vardy didn't score anywhere near that amount in the same league and now he's banging them in, in the Championship. We loaned Ross to Halifax last season and he banged the goals in, he started pre season and he banged them in, now he's in the conference and guess what he's doing? You bet, scoring goals - 2 in 3 games so far.

We're creating bucket loads of chances in every game and for me, you need someone like him up front, sharp, smart and deadly.

He would score 30 goals in this team if played I could almost guarantee it, if only the poor bloke would be given a chance.

Connell isn't a goal scorer, barring one season in the conference, he's more of a Teddy Sheringham link up forward type of player.

Hanson isn't either but he's a good target man and will contribute a goal or two.

For me, I'd have Hannah and Connell up front, though it would work with Hanson too.

Just get him back and throw him in and we'll walk away with the title.

The Port Vale game, he'd have got a hat trick and tonight, we needed him to put the ball in the back of the net too.
I'm a big PP fan and supported him through last season and will continue to do so but I think he's made a mistake in letting Hannah go out on loan. He does like a big man up front so Hanson's first on the team sheet but I don't think Wells will be as successful as he was last year. We were a different team last season, where the opposition came at us without fear, leaving gaps for Nahki to exploit with his pace. This year, we're dominating teams from start to finish and they're now defending deep. Nahki might be able to run like a greyhound and he's got a wicked shot on him but he got short changed when they handed out brains and so he cannot link play or forward think and when you take away his pace, then you're left with a very average player. For me, Hannah is the missing link, 52 goals for Matlock in the season before he joined us, non league sure but you have to have talent to do that. Jamie Vardy didn't score anywhere near that amount in the same league and now he's banging them in, in the Championship. We loaned Ross to Halifax last season and he banged the goals in, he started pre season and he banged them in, now he's in the conference and guess what he's doing? You bet, scoring goals - 2 in 3 games so far. We're creating bucket loads of chances in every game and for me, you need someone like him up front, sharp, smart and deadly. He would score 30 goals in this team if played I could almost guarantee it, if only the poor bloke would be given a chance. Connell isn't a goal scorer, barring one season in the conference, he's more of a Teddy Sheringham link up forward type of player. Hanson isn't either but he's a good target man and will contribute a goal or two. For me, I'd have Hannah and Connell up front, though it would work with Hanson too. Just get him back and throw him in and we'll walk away with the title. The Port Vale game, he'd have got a hat trick and tonight, we needed him to put the ball in the back of the net too. Village Bantam

10:07pm Tue 2 Oct 12

Scholemoor Rovers says...

Just a little disapointed with a point and slightly concerned that the chances aren't being taken. As neat as atkinson is he isn't going to score or create a great deal. I would start with thompson and hines now that reid is injured and bring jones in for ravenhill who isnt creative enough.
Just a little disapointed with a point and slightly concerned that the chances aren't being taken. As neat as atkinson is he isn't going to score or create a great deal. I would start with thompson and hines now that reid is injured and bring jones in for ravenhill who isnt creative enough. Scholemoor Rovers

10:18pm Tue 2 Oct 12

Go Torps! Yer flying. says...

Get real. Got to be happy with a point at Dale. If most of the time we win at VP and most of the time we avoid defeat away, we will get promoted.
Get real. Got to be happy with a point at Dale. If most of the time we win at VP and most of the time we avoid defeat away, we will get promoted. Go Torps! Yer flying.

10:20pm Tue 2 Oct 12

fatbloke says...

Kind of agree Village re Wells. If his 1st touch or maybe his 2nd isn't a shot then he doesn't have much more.

From what I have seen I much prefer Connell off Hanson and following the Burton game Wells is a great Ole Gunnar Solskjaer :-)

Would take a point and clean sheet at most away games.
Kind of agree Village re Wells. If his 1st touch or maybe his 2nd isn't a shot then he doesn't have much more. From what I have seen I much prefer Connell off Hanson and following the Burton game Wells is a great Ole Gunnar Solskjaer :-) Would take a point and clean sheet at most away games. fatbloke

10:34pm Tue 2 Oct 12

Victor Clayton says...

Village Bantam wrote:
I'm a big PP fan and supported him through last season and will continue to do so but I think he's made a mistake in letting Hannah go out on loan. He does like a big man up front so Hanson's first on the team sheet but I don't think Wells will be as successful as he was last year. We were a different team last season, where the opposition came at us without fear, leaving gaps for Nahki to exploit with his pace. This year, we're dominating teams from start to finish and they're now defending deep. Nahki might be able to run like a greyhound and he's got a wicked shot on him but he got short changed when they handed out brains and so he cannot link play or forward think and when you take away his pace, then you're left with a very average player. For me, Hannah is the missing link, 52 goals for Matlock in the season before he joined us, non league sure but you have to have talent to do that. Jamie Vardy didn't score anywhere near that amount in the same league and now he's banging them in, in the Championship. We loaned Ross to Halifax last season and he banged the goals in, he started pre season and he banged them in, now he's in the conference and guess what he's doing? You bet, scoring goals - 2 in 3 games so far. We're creating bucket loads of chances in every game and for me, you need someone like him up front, sharp, smart and deadly. He would score 30 goals in this team if played I could almost guarantee it, if only the poor bloke would be given a chance. Connell isn't a goal scorer, barring one season in the conference, he's more of a Teddy Sheringham link up forward type of player. Hanson isn't either but he's a good target man and will contribute a goal or two. For me, I'd have Hannah and Connell up front, though it would work with Hanson too. Just get him back and throw him in and we'll walk away with the title. The Port Vale game, he'd have got a hat trick and tonight, we needed him to put the ball in the back of the net too.
We may never find out
[quote][p][bold]Village Bantam[/bold] wrote: I'm a big PP fan and supported him through last season and will continue to do so but I think he's made a mistake in letting Hannah go out on loan. He does like a big man up front so Hanson's first on the team sheet but I don't think Wells will be as successful as he was last year. We were a different team last season, where the opposition came at us without fear, leaving gaps for Nahki to exploit with his pace. This year, we're dominating teams from start to finish and they're now defending deep. Nahki might be able to run like a greyhound and he's got a wicked shot on him but he got short changed when they handed out brains and so he cannot link play or forward think and when you take away his pace, then you're left with a very average player. For me, Hannah is the missing link, 52 goals for Matlock in the season before he joined us, non league sure but you have to have talent to do that. Jamie Vardy didn't score anywhere near that amount in the same league and now he's banging them in, in the Championship. We loaned Ross to Halifax last season and he banged the goals in, he started pre season and he banged them in, now he's in the conference and guess what he's doing? You bet, scoring goals - 2 in 3 games so far. We're creating bucket loads of chances in every game and for me, you need someone like him up front, sharp, smart and deadly. He would score 30 goals in this team if played I could almost guarantee it, if only the poor bloke would be given a chance. Connell isn't a goal scorer, barring one season in the conference, he's more of a Teddy Sheringham link up forward type of player. Hanson isn't either but he's a good target man and will contribute a goal or two. For me, I'd have Hannah and Connell up front, though it would work with Hanson too. Just get him back and throw him in and we'll walk away with the title. The Port Vale game, he'd have got a hat trick and tonight, we needed him to put the ball in the back of the net too.[/p][/quote]We may never find out Victor Clayton

10:36pm Tue 2 Oct 12

Victor Clayton says...

I think the best I have seen was when Connell started and Wells came on as sub.
I think the best I have seen was when Connell started and Wells came on as sub. Victor Clayton

10:38pm Tue 2 Oct 12

ricky76 says...

1 bingley bantam wrote:
Aaaarghh Accy all over again a team that was there for the taking.Gotta finish teams like this off in these situations.Dont agree again with matching them with our line up we have the players to make them think about us if we go for it.these 2 games 4 points dropped IMO due to PPS negative approach.
Yes great start to the season but those 4 points what a difference they could make come the end of the season.
Would like PP to justify Atkinson starting again he is not good enough couldnt make it but listened to it and when Atkinson took corners sounded comicaly bad.
I know i am a million miles from being Atkinsons biggest fan but come on!
Oh well onwards and upwards to 3 points on Saturday (bet ya million quid again Atkinson features LOL)
Atkinson played very well tonight he may not be the quickest but certainley has some skill for the 3rd game running he has been one of the better performers its the lack of killing teams off that could be our downfall.
[quote][p][bold]1 bingley bantam[/bold] wrote: Aaaarghh Accy all over again a team that was there for the taking.Gotta finish teams like this off in these situations.Dont agree again with matching them with our line up we have the players to make them think about us if we go for it.these 2 games 4 points dropped IMO due to PPS negative approach. Yes great start to the season but those 4 points what a difference they could make come the end of the season. Would like PP to justify Atkinson starting again he is not good enough couldnt make it but listened to it and when Atkinson took corners sounded comicaly bad. I know i am a million miles from being Atkinsons biggest fan but come on! Oh well onwards and upwards to 3 points on Saturday (bet ya million quid again Atkinson features LOL)[/p][/quote]Atkinson played very well tonight he may not be the quickest but certainley has some skill for the 3rd game running he has been one of the better performers its the lack of killing teams off that could be our downfall. ricky76

11:02pm Tue 2 Oct 12

Cityman23 says...

A point at Rochdale is a more than acceptable result, particularly bearing in mind Rochdale and City are placed close together in the table.

Yes, supporters expect eleven men to beat ten, but when the ten 'shut up shop' and camp in their own half it can be very hard to break them down.


We are still in the play-off 'sector' and the only downside seems to be that Gillingham seem to be 'pulling away.'

Hopefully, the fact we haven't scored in 120 mins, will be forgotten after Saturday's game, though I do think if we could add one more player to this squad-it would be another striker.
A point at Rochdale is a more than acceptable result, particularly bearing in mind Rochdale and City are placed close together in the table. Yes, supporters expect eleven men to beat ten, but when the ten 'shut up shop' and camp in their own half it can be very hard to break them down. We are still in the play-off 'sector' and the only downside seems to be that Gillingham seem to be 'pulling away.' Hopefully, the fact we haven't scored in 120 mins, will be forgotten after Saturday's game, though I do think if we could add one more player to this squad-it would be another striker. Cityman23

11:28pm Tue 2 Oct 12

doubledigiter says...

Listened to the game and it was hugely frustrating knowing we were camped in their half but just couldn't put the ball in the onion bag! Certainly feels like 2 points dropped based on that fact but I would certainly have taken a point before the game without doubt so ultimatley still a good result. Also I guess it's much more preferable to be frustrated at dominating games and not getting our rewards than it is to be dominated which is how it's been a lot of the time over the past few years. It feels like we're under pressure to stay around the top of the table and that's a good pressure to have. My prediction is a win on Sat at the Daggers and then 2 good home wins against York and Cheltenham. 26 points from 13 games would certainly be an excellent return so far and I'm confident that's where we will be after the next 3 games. CTID!!!
Listened to the game and it was hugely frustrating knowing we were camped in their half but just couldn't put the ball in the onion bag! Certainly feels like 2 points dropped based on that fact but I would certainly have taken a point before the game without doubt so ultimatley still a good result. Also I guess it's much more preferable to be frustrated at dominating games and not getting our rewards than it is to be dominated which is how it's been a lot of the time over the past few years. It feels like we're under pressure to stay around the top of the table and that's a good pressure to have. My prediction is a win on Sat at the Daggers and then 2 good home wins against York and Cheltenham. 26 points from 13 games would certainly be an excellent return so far and I'm confident that's where we will be after the next 3 games. CTID!!! doubledigiter

11:51pm Tue 2 Oct 12

Village Bantam says...

Cityman23 wrote:
A point at Rochdale is a more than acceptable result, particularly bearing in mind Rochdale and City are placed close together in the table.

Yes, supporters expect eleven men to beat ten, but when the ten 'shut up shop' and camp in their own half it can be very hard to break them down.


We are still in the play-off 'sector' and the only downside seems to be that Gillingham seem to be 'pulling away.'

Hopefully, the fact we haven't scored in 120 mins, will be forgotten after Saturday's game, though I do think if we could add one more player to this squad-it would be another striker.
I'm sure many a City supporter would have accepted a point before the game as on paper it looked a tricky one.

But as the game transpired, it became clear that it was ours for the taking.

It's becoming more evident with each match that we're by far the best team in this league as we've out played everyone barr Rotherham - which was obviously an off day.

PP has done tremendously and we're certainly off in the right direction but we're creating 30 chances a match and should be winning each one comfortably, if only we had a finisher.

I'm pretty certain, PP is aware of this and he'll address the situation soon enough but I'm convinced Ross is the answer and he's tantalizingly under our noses - he's got a recall clause in his loan after 28 days and I'd activate that and get him back and in the team.
[quote][p][bold]Cityman23[/bold] wrote: A point at Rochdale is a more than acceptable result, particularly bearing in mind Rochdale and City are placed close together in the table. Yes, supporters expect eleven men to beat ten, but when the ten 'shut up shop' and camp in their own half it can be very hard to break them down. We are still in the play-off 'sector' and the only downside seems to be that Gillingham seem to be 'pulling away.' Hopefully, the fact we haven't scored in 120 mins, will be forgotten after Saturday's game, though I do think if we could add one more player to this squad-it would be another striker.[/p][/quote]I'm sure many a City supporter would have accepted a point before the game as on paper it looked a tricky one. But as the game transpired, it became clear that it was ours for the taking. It's becoming more evident with each match that we're by far the best team in this league as we've out played everyone barr Rotherham - which was obviously an off day. PP has done tremendously and we're certainly off in the right direction but we're creating 30 chances a match and should be winning each one comfortably, if only we had a finisher. I'm pretty certain, PP is aware of this and he'll address the situation soon enough but I'm convinced Ross is the answer and he's tantalizingly under our noses - he's got a recall clause in his loan after 28 days and I'd activate that and get him back and in the team. Village Bantam

12:45am Wed 3 Oct 12

bcfc1903 says...

Very happy with a point, we lost Jones before the game and Reid in it, two of our most influential players, they went down to 10 men then from what i could gather hardly got out their own half for the rest of the game. Sure BCFC should have created more or more than likely scored from what was created, but i know sometimes against 10 men it can be harder to break that team down. I look at our fixtures played and to be where we are in the league after the games we've played is a cracking start.
Very happy with a point, we lost Jones before the game and Reid in it, two of our most influential players, they went down to 10 men then from what i could gather hardly got out their own half for the rest of the game. Sure BCFC should have created more or more than likely scored from what was created, but i know sometimes against 10 men it can be harder to break that team down. I look at our fixtures played and to be where we are in the league after the games we've played is a cracking start. bcfc1903

7:18am Wed 3 Oct 12

Meat Pie says...

Most people would have taken a point before KO though we must be ruthless and finish these teams off if down to 10 men if we are to become winners and promotion contenders.

Successful teams do not miss all these chances - we need a result on Saturday as otherwsie momentum will start to be lost.

CTID.
Most people would have taken a point before KO though we must be ruthless and finish these teams off if down to 10 men if we are to become winners and promotion contenders. Successful teams do not miss all these chances - we need a result on Saturday as otherwsie momentum will start to be lost. CTID. Meat Pie

9:58am Wed 3 Oct 12

lawsonio123 says...

IT is a fact that City have failed to score in over 20% of div 2 games played. Mr Parkinson will be well aware of this fact and i am sure will do something to put it right Ross.Hannah i very much like and do feel he has not had a fair chance as yet. this of course is up to the manager but the failure to put the ball in the net is there for all to see COME ON CITY GIVE US A GOAL.
IT is a fact that City have failed to score in over 20% of div 2 games played. Mr Parkinson will be well aware of this fact and i am sure will do something to put it right Ross.Hannah i very much like and do feel he has not had a fair chance as yet. this of course is up to the manager but the failure to put the ball in the net is there for all to see COME ON CITY GIVE US A GOAL. lawsonio123

10:04am Wed 3 Oct 12

Cityman23 says...

Village Bantam wrote:
Cityman23 wrote:
A point at Rochdale is a more than acceptable result, particularly bearing in mind Rochdale and City are placed close together in the table.

Yes, supporters expect eleven men to beat ten, but when the ten 'shut up shop' and camp in their own half it can be very hard to break them down.


We are still in the play-off 'sector' and the only downside seems to be that Gillingham seem to be 'pulling away.'

Hopefully, the fact we haven't scored in 120 mins, will be forgotten after Saturday's game, though I do think if we could add one more player to this squad-it would be another striker.
I'm sure many a City supporter would have accepted a point before the game as on paper it looked a tricky one.

But as the game transpired, it became clear that it was ours for the taking.

It's becoming more evident with each match that we're by far the best team in this league as we've out played everyone barr Rotherham - which was obviously an off day.

PP has done tremendously and we're certainly off in the right direction but we're creating 30 chances a match and should be winning each one comfortably, if only we had a finisher.

I'm pretty certain, PP is aware of this and he'll address the situation soon enough but I'm convinced Ross is the answer and he's tantalizingly under our noses - he's got a recall clause in his loan after 28 days and I'd activate that and get him back and in the team.
It does seem strange to let Ross Hannah go out on loan at tis point in the season, when we're still trying 'things out' to find our best eleven.
Hannah is NOT a young 'rough diamond' player (lik Nahki) as he's in his mid-twenties. This is his second (probably make/break season.

If 'PP' had enough confidence to keep him, Hannah needs to be played/tried at this level.
[quote][p][bold]Village Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cityman23[/bold] wrote: A point at Rochdale is a more than acceptable result, particularly bearing in mind Rochdale and City are placed close together in the table. Yes, supporters expect eleven men to beat ten, but when the ten 'shut up shop' and camp in their own half it can be very hard to break them down. We are still in the play-off 'sector' and the only downside seems to be that Gillingham seem to be 'pulling away.' Hopefully, the fact we haven't scored in 120 mins, will be forgotten after Saturday's game, though I do think if we could add one more player to this squad-it would be another striker.[/p][/quote]I'm sure many a City supporter would have accepted a point before the game as on paper it looked a tricky one. But as the game transpired, it became clear that it was ours for the taking. It's becoming more evident with each match that we're by far the best team in this league as we've out played everyone barr Rotherham - which was obviously an off day. PP has done tremendously and we're certainly off in the right direction but we're creating 30 chances a match and should be winning each one comfortably, if only we had a finisher. I'm pretty certain, PP is aware of this and he'll address the situation soon enough but I'm convinced Ross is the answer and he's tantalizingly under our noses - he's got a recall clause in his loan after 28 days and I'd activate that and get him back and in the team.[/p][/quote]It does seem strange to let Ross Hannah go out on loan at tis point in the season, when we're still trying 'things out' to find our best eleven. Hannah is NOT a young 'rough diamond' player (lik Nahki) as he's in his mid-twenties. This is his second (probably make/break season. If 'PP' had enough confidence to keep him, Hannah needs to be played/tried at this level. Cityman23

11:49am Wed 3 Oct 12

Period Drama says...

5th play 6th who had just beaten 1st at their place where 5th had lost w0 games ago. Is a point a good point? You bet it is. If one of the 20 shots had nicked a deflection most of the pointless debate about Hannah above wouldn't have made these comments.

He is loaned out as PP has seen enough and knows we have better players with league experience. In our 18 last night we had our top scorer, 2nd top scorer and last seasons champions top scorer. He is in his mid-late 20s has not taken his league chance as Wells did and has obviously not shown enough to be kept in what is a very small pro squad. Unless any of you have evidence, not counting goals 4 and 5 tiers below the football league. 2 goals in 3 in conference is no better than Wells or Hanson as both have done this this season but in the league.
5th play 6th who had just beaten 1st at their place where 5th had lost w0 games ago. Is a point a good point? You bet it is. If one of the 20 shots had nicked a deflection most of the pointless debate about Hannah above wouldn't have made these comments. He is loaned out as PP has seen enough and knows we have better players with league experience. In our 18 last night we had our top scorer, 2nd top scorer and last seasons champions top scorer. He is in his mid-late 20s has not taken his league chance as Wells did and has obviously not shown enough to be kept in what is a very small pro squad. Unless any of you have evidence, not counting goals 4 and 5 tiers below the football league. 2 goals in 3 in conference is no better than Wells or Hanson as both have done this this season but in the league. Period Drama

12:26pm Wed 3 Oct 12

bcfc1903 says...

I like Ross Hannah but from what i've seen of the lad he isn't quite good enough at this level. If he does come back and scores importent goals for BCFC then i'll be on here again to sing his praises and say i was wrong. Let's face it fellas, the fixture computer wasn't kind to BCFC so to be where we are with 17 points already collected, it's a great start. Carry on in the same vein against Dagenham and we must have a great chance of collecting three points.
I like Ross Hannah but from what i've seen of the lad he isn't quite good enough at this level. If he does come back and scores importent goals for BCFC then i'll be on here again to sing his praises and say i was wrong. Let's face it fellas, the fixture computer wasn't kind to BCFC so to be where we are with 17 points already collected, it's a great start. Carry on in the same vein against Dagenham and we must have a great chance of collecting three points. bcfc1903

12:57pm Wed 3 Oct 12

Period Drama says...

It is the fantasist versus the realists in most cases I believe. We are now a struggling 4th division side as we have always been but with a larger fanbase.

If Ross was the answer or came back after bagging 20 before xmas in the league below and then started firing them in for us then I too would praise the lad but for now I feel I have to go with PPs assessment and that is he doesn't cut it at our level or not ahead of the four or five strikers at our club.
It is the fantasist versus the realists in most cases I believe. We are now a struggling 4th division side as we have always been but with a larger fanbase. If Ross was the answer or came back after bagging 20 before xmas in the league below and then started firing them in for us then I too would praise the lad but for now I feel I have to go with PPs assessment and that is he doesn't cut it at our level or not ahead of the four or five strikers at our club. Period Drama

3:42pm Wed 3 Oct 12

northyorksbantam says...

We did well in many ways last night, totally dominated possesion even before there player was sent off, the defence was strong and restricted them to Jon Mac having collect a few crosses here and there and he didn't have a meaningful save to make all match I don't recall

The issue seemed to be in the final 3rd of the pitch when we seemed to run out of ideas of what to do next, which usually meant going backwards, sideways, a hopeful shot or up and under towards Hansons head. The only real effort we had was Ravenhills shot at beginning of 2nd half and some sort of goalmouth melee when they cleared one off the line. Other than that and despite all the possesion I didn't think we looked too much like we were going to score.

Atkinson made himself useful and was full of running but his crosses and corners were pretty poor. Despite having nearly a full game Hines needs to do more to convince he can be a replacement for Reid...someone mentioned above he is too casual, and I would agree with that and he needs to show more willing and effort to make things happen.

Ravenhill is obviously short on match fitness so had a quiet game and we missed Jones, which left most of the decent work to Doyle who was spraying the ball around well and had a proper game as a midfield general, the only problem being he was so deep he was almost in a line with the centre halves sometimes and we struggled to get any proper forward momentum in the last 3rd.

We did manage to get some shots away but none were ever a true test for there keeper. I don't want to get at Hanson too much as he did as well as anybody, but I wish he would do more and show a bit more spark with some of the half opportunites that come his way...its almost like he's getting his eye in with sighters or warming himself up for better chances, with half hearted efforts, when he could give it a better go or a good crack.

Would also say Parky left it too late with the substitutions It seemed obvious we were struggling to make a breakthrough with what we had, Wells had little impact and a substitution would have given Connell and Thompson more time to get a grip of the game.

Of course everyone would have taken a point before the match, but our total domination meant its disappointing to not take the 3.
We did well in many ways last night, totally dominated possesion even before there player was sent off, the defence was strong and restricted them to Jon Mac having collect a few crosses here and there and he didn't have a meaningful save to make all match I don't recall The issue seemed to be in the final 3rd of the pitch when we seemed to run out of ideas of what to do next, which usually meant going backwards, sideways, a hopeful shot or up and under towards Hansons head. The only real effort we had was Ravenhills shot at beginning of 2nd half and some sort of goalmouth melee when they cleared one off the line. Other than that and despite all the possesion I didn't think we looked too much like we were going to score. Atkinson made himself useful and was full of running but his crosses and corners were pretty poor. Despite having nearly a full game Hines needs to do more to convince he can be a replacement for Reid...someone mentioned above he is too casual, and I would agree with that and he needs to show more willing and effort to make things happen. Ravenhill is obviously short on match fitness so had a quiet game and we missed Jones, which left most of the decent work to Doyle who was spraying the ball around well and had a proper game as a midfield general, the only problem being he was so deep he was almost in a line with the centre halves sometimes and we struggled to get any proper forward momentum in the last 3rd. We did manage to get some shots away but none were ever a true test for there keeper. I don't want to get at Hanson too much as he did as well as anybody, but I wish he would do more and show a bit more spark with some of the half opportunites that come his way...its almost like he's getting his eye in with sighters or warming himself up for better chances, with half hearted efforts, when he could give it a better go or a good crack. Would also say Parky left it too late with the substitutions It seemed obvious we were struggling to make a breakthrough with what we had, Wells had little impact and a substitution would have given Connell and Thompson more time to get a grip of the game. Of course everyone would have taken a point before the match, but our total domination meant its disappointing to not take the 3. northyorksbantam

7:32pm Wed 3 Oct 12

Victor Clayton says...

I think its a shame he hasn't given Hannah a decent run out. of coarse he sees him more than we do but......
I think its a shame he hasn't given Hannah a decent run out. of coarse he sees him more than we do but...... Victor Clayton

9:43pm Wed 3 Oct 12

Period Drama says...

Excellent post nyb. Agree with every word, including the comments re Hanson( listening Vic :D). I think the last two games he has done all the donkey work expected of him and done it well but he has looked offsorts in the box where it counts. His starting positions and body shape is all wrong when attacking the ball, whereas earlier in the season he was attacking the ball well in the box.
Excellent post nyb. Agree with every word, including the comments re Hanson( listening Vic :D). I think the last two games he has done all the donkey work expected of him and done it well but he has looked offsorts in the box where it counts. His starting positions and body shape is all wrong when attacking the ball, whereas earlier in the season he was attacking the ball well in the box. Period Drama

2:35am Thu 4 Oct 12

Waynus1971 says...

Period Drama wrote:
5th play 6th who had just beaten 1st at their place where 5th had lost w0 games ago. Is a point a good point? You bet it is. If one of the 20 shots had nicked a deflection most of the pointless debate about Hannah above wouldn't have made these comments.

He is loaned out as PP has seen enough and knows we have better players with league experience. In our 18 last night we had our top scorer, 2nd top scorer and last seasons champions top scorer. He is in his mid-late 20s has not taken his league chance as Wells did and has obviously not shown enough to be kept in what is a very small pro squad. Unless any of you have evidence, not counting goals 4 and 5 tiers below the football league. 2 goals in 3 in conference is no better than Wells or Hanson as both have done this this season but in the league.
Spot on.

I just don't get this clamoring for Hannah. Yes he has scored goals, but they were against poor defenders playing a couple of levels above pub leagues. Look at that thug we had a couple of seasons ago, Speight, he hardly set our league on fire, despite scoring regularly in the lower echelons of the non-leagues.

Besides, our problem isn't about scoring. Our problem (my concern anyway), is that we aren't creating the chances. Yes, we are creating half chances, but I can't say that Hanson, Wells or Connell are missing gilt-edged chances.
[quote][p][bold]Period Drama[/bold] wrote: 5th play 6th who had just beaten 1st at their place where 5th had lost w0 games ago. Is a point a good point? You bet it is. If one of the 20 shots had nicked a deflection most of the pointless debate about Hannah above wouldn't have made these comments. He is loaned out as PP has seen enough and knows we have better players with league experience. In our 18 last night we had our top scorer, 2nd top scorer and last seasons champions top scorer. He is in his mid-late 20s has not taken his league chance as Wells did and has obviously not shown enough to be kept in what is a very small pro squad. Unless any of you have evidence, not counting goals 4 and 5 tiers below the football league. 2 goals in 3 in conference is no better than Wells or Hanson as both have done this this season but in the league.[/p][/quote]Spot on. I just don't get this clamoring for Hannah. Yes he has scored goals, but they were against poor defenders playing a couple of levels above pub leagues. Look at that thug we had a couple of seasons ago, Speight, he hardly set our league on fire, despite scoring regularly in the lower echelons of the non-leagues. Besides, our problem isn't about scoring. Our problem (my concern anyway), is that we aren't creating the chances. Yes, we are creating half chances, but I can't say that Hanson, Wells or Connell are missing gilt-edged chances. Waynus1971

2:38am Thu 4 Oct 12

Waynus1971 says...

1 bingley bantam wrote:
Aaaarghh Accy all over again a team that was there for the taking.Gotta finish teams like this off in these situations.Dont agree again with matching them with our line up we have the players to make them think about us if we go for it.these 2 games 4 points dropped IMO due to PPS negative approach.
Yes great start to the season but those 4 points what a difference they could make come the end of the season.
Would like PP to justify Atkinson starting again he is not good enough couldnt make it but listened to it and when Atkinson took corners sounded comicaly bad.
I know i am a million miles from being Atkinsons biggest fan but come on!
Oh well onwards and upwards to 3 points on Saturday (bet ya million quid again Atkinson features LOL)
Perhaps had you bothered to go, instead of listening to it on the radio, you would have seen for yourself that Atkinson was probably one of our best players on the night and deserved his chance.

Let's put it another way, he did more than either Hines or Thompson...!

It's a shame Jacko's not still at the club; you may have still been staying away had he been.
[quote][p][bold]1 bingley bantam[/bold] wrote: Aaaarghh Accy all over again a team that was there for the taking.Gotta finish teams like this off in these situations.Dont agree again with matching them with our line up we have the players to make them think about us if we go for it.these 2 games 4 points dropped IMO due to PPS negative approach. Yes great start to the season but those 4 points what a difference they could make come the end of the season. Would like PP to justify Atkinson starting again he is not good enough couldnt make it but listened to it and when Atkinson took corners sounded comicaly bad. I know i am a million miles from being Atkinsons biggest fan but come on! Oh well onwards and upwards to 3 points on Saturday (bet ya million quid again Atkinson features LOL)[/p][/quote]Perhaps had you bothered to go, instead of listening to it on the radio, you would have seen for yourself that Atkinson was probably one of our best players on the night and deserved his chance. Let's put it another way, he did more than either Hines or Thompson...! It's a shame Jacko's not still at the club; you may have still been staying away had he been. Waynus1971

2:49am Thu 4 Oct 12

Waynus1971 says...

Personally, I thought PP made the wrong subs as well as leaving it too late. We started the 2nd half in dominant mood and it was obvious Rochdale were just going to sit back and try hitting us on the counter. So, why after 10mins of the restart weren't we making changes?

For a team to dominate so much, create so little but leave on 2 defensive (holding) midfielders was just bizarre. After 55-60mins, I would have withdrawn Ricky and got Connell playing just off the front two. I would have moved Atkinson inside to partner Doyle and brought on Ritchie Jones for Hines and gone 4-3-3, pushing the full-backs right up. Let's face it, Meredith did more on the left than Hines and McArdle also put in a decent cross or two from the right.

Sorry PP, but your "ensure we don't lose" philosophy cost us 2 points last night.
Personally, I thought PP made the wrong subs as well as leaving it too late. We started the 2nd half in dominant mood and it was obvious Rochdale were just going to sit back and try hitting us on the counter. So, why after 10mins of the restart weren't we making changes? For a team to dominate so much, create so little but leave on 2 defensive (holding) midfielders was just bizarre. After 55-60mins, I would have withdrawn Ricky and got Connell playing just off the front two. I would have moved Atkinson inside to partner Doyle and brought on Ritchie Jones for Hines and gone 4-3-3, pushing the full-backs right up. Let's face it, Meredith did more on the left than Hines and McArdle also put in a decent cross or two from the right. Sorry PP, but your "ensure we don't lose" philosophy cost us 2 points last night. Waynus1971

8:53am Thu 4 Oct 12

dannbradfc says...

Waynus1971 wrote:
Personally, I thought PP made the wrong subs as well as leaving it too late. We started the 2nd half in dominant mood and it was obvious Rochdale were just going to sit back and try hitting us on the counter. So, why after 10mins of the restart weren't we making changes? For a team to dominate so much, create so little but leave on 2 defensive (holding) midfielders was just bizarre. After 55-60mins, I would have withdrawn Ricky and got Connell playing just off the front two. I would have moved Atkinson inside to partner Doyle and brought on Ritchie Jones for Hines and gone 4-3-3, pushing the full-backs right up. Let's face it, Meredith did more on the left than Hines and McArdle also put in a decent cross or two from the right. Sorry PP, but your "ensure we don't lose" philosophy cost us 2 points last night.
If Reid is missing we may struggle further waynus. We are creating half chances but alot of our delivery is simply not good enough. With the central midfielders playing fairly deep and rarely hitting the box its clear that unless we have decent service from out wide for the central two then we could struggle for goals.

Take away the goals by Hanson and Wells and there isn't much coming from elsewhere. We are much harder to beat and have a strong defensive set-up but i pointed out the lack of creation at the beginning of the season and this is proving the case. Even with Reid against Port Vale once they began to nullify him then 'real' chances began to dry up.

We are still well capable of making the play-offs this way but may lose points we could have got thus effecting our chances of automatic promotion. Solve this and find a balance and/or another outlet of creation then we may still hit the top 3 come may
[quote][p][bold]Waynus1971[/bold] wrote: Personally, I thought PP made the wrong subs as well as leaving it too late. We started the 2nd half in dominant mood and it was obvious Rochdale were just going to sit back and try hitting us on the counter. So, why after 10mins of the restart weren't we making changes? For a team to dominate so much, create so little but leave on 2 defensive (holding) midfielders was just bizarre. After 55-60mins, I would have withdrawn Ricky and got Connell playing just off the front two. I would have moved Atkinson inside to partner Doyle and brought on Ritchie Jones for Hines and gone 4-3-3, pushing the full-backs right up. Let's face it, Meredith did more on the left than Hines and McArdle also put in a decent cross or two from the right. Sorry PP, but your "ensure we don't lose" philosophy cost us 2 points last night.[/p][/quote]If Reid is missing we may struggle further waynus. We are creating half chances but alot of our delivery is simply not good enough. With the central midfielders playing fairly deep and rarely hitting the box its clear that unless we have decent service from out wide for the central two then we could struggle for goals. Take away the goals by Hanson and Wells and there isn't much coming from elsewhere. We are much harder to beat and have a strong defensive set-up but i pointed out the lack of creation at the beginning of the season and this is proving the case. Even with Reid against Port Vale once they began to nullify him then 'real' chances began to dry up. We are still well capable of making the play-offs this way but may lose points we could have got thus effecting our chances of automatic promotion. Solve this and find a balance and/or another outlet of creation then we may still hit the top 3 come may dannbradfc

11:27am Thu 4 Oct 12

northyorksbantam says...

Waynus1971 wrote:
Period Drama wrote: 5th play 6th who had just beaten 1st at their place where 5th had lost w0 games ago. Is a point a good point? You bet it is. If one of the 20 shots had nicked a deflection most of the pointless debate about Hannah above wouldn't have made these comments. He is loaned out as PP has seen enough and knows we have better players with league experience. In our 18 last night we had our top scorer, 2nd top scorer and last seasons champions top scorer. He is in his mid-late 20s has not taken his league chance as Wells did and has obviously not shown enough to be kept in what is a very small pro squad. Unless any of you have evidence, not counting goals 4 and 5 tiers below the football league. 2 goals in 3 in conference is no better than Wells or Hanson as both have done this this season but in the league.
Spot on. I just don't get this clamoring for Hannah. Yes he has scored goals, but they were against poor defenders playing a couple of levels above pub leagues. Look at that thug we had a couple of seasons ago, Speight, he hardly set our league on fire, despite scoring regularly in the lower echelons of the non-leagues. Besides, our problem isn't about scoring. Our problem (my concern anyway), is that we aren't creating the chances. Yes, we are creating half chances, but I can't say that Hanson, Wells or Connell are missing gilt-edged chances.
Agree with both posts. I think PP has made his decision. Unless we have a major injury crisis I can't think that we will see Hannah again, and potentially see Grimsby taking over his contract at the end of his loan if he does OK.
[quote][p][bold]Waynus1971[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Period Drama[/bold] wrote: 5th play 6th who had just beaten 1st at their place where 5th had lost w0 games ago. Is a point a good point? You bet it is. If one of the 20 shots had nicked a deflection most of the pointless debate about Hannah above wouldn't have made these comments. He is loaned out as PP has seen enough and knows we have better players with league experience. In our 18 last night we had our top scorer, 2nd top scorer and last seasons champions top scorer. He is in his mid-late 20s has not taken his league chance as Wells did and has obviously not shown enough to be kept in what is a very small pro squad. Unless any of you have evidence, not counting goals 4 and 5 tiers below the football league. 2 goals in 3 in conference is no better than Wells or Hanson as both have done this this season but in the league.[/p][/quote]Spot on. I just don't get this clamoring for Hannah. Yes he has scored goals, but they were against poor defenders playing a couple of levels above pub leagues. Look at that thug we had a couple of seasons ago, Speight, he hardly set our league on fire, despite scoring regularly in the lower echelons of the non-leagues. Besides, our problem isn't about scoring. Our problem (my concern anyway), is that we aren't creating the chances. Yes, we are creating half chances, but I can't say that Hanson, Wells or Connell are missing gilt-edged chances.[/p][/quote]Agree with both posts. I think PP has made his decision. Unless we have a major injury crisis I can't think that we will see Hannah again, and potentially see Grimsby taking over his contract at the end of his loan if he does OK. northyorksbantam

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