Bradford Bulls – Bryn Hargreaves: Why I opted to take early retirement

Bryn Hargreaves has told of the disillusionment with rugby league that led to his retirement

Bryn Hargreaves has told of the disillusionment with rugby league that led to his retirement

First published in Sport Bradford Telegraph and Argus: Photograph of the Author by , Bradford Bulls Reporter

Bryn Hargreaves has delivered a damning assessment of the state of rugby league and admitted the Bulls’ financial meltdown was the primary reason he chose to retire aged just 26.

Hargreaves enjoyed an outstanding 2012 and his performances were recognised by a special award from Mick Potter in the end-of-season honours.

But he was left bitterly disappointed, angry and above all disillusioned by events off the field during a traumatic campaign which saw the Bulls enter administration and huge question marks raised over their Super League future.

When his contract expired at the end of the season, the former Wigan and St Helens prop announced he was hanging up his boots for a career opportunity outside of the game.

He cannot say much about the specifics of his new job as he is currently finalising the position, but it is believed to entail a move overseas.

Hargreaves decided he would quit in July after fearing that the Bulls would be booted out of Super League and he would be left high and dry.

He told the T&A: “Obviously it’s not a decision that I came to lightly. I had some options and was weighing things up before getting the players together and informing them of my decision after the Leeds game at Headingley on July 20.

“I didn’t want my decision to impact upon anyone else or the club, so I said to the lads ‘if you can keep it to yourself I’d appreciate it’.

“Being a rugby league player is not a very sustainable and secure future as it is, but then you see what happened at Bradford and you think ‘wow, the carpet can really be pulled from beneath me here’.

“We’re pieces of meat at the end of the day and we’re not treated with much respect in rugby league as it is.

“There was a meeting scheduled with the administrator and they didn’t even bother to turn up or tell us what was happening. I wouldn’t wish that level of disrespect on my worst enemy.”

Hargreaves said his new career opportunity will provide far greater financial security than being a professional rugby league player ever could.

“We could talk all day about what’s wrong with rugby league and that affected my decision too,” he said.

“It’s a short career and we don’t make vast amounts of money but the segregation of wages in the game is pretty bad and it’s getting worse.

“When clubs go into administration, as has happened at Wakefield, Crusaders and Bradford, it decreases everyone’s value.

“Players are scared and hoping they get something – anything – so clubs are getting them for probably a lot less than they deserve and then spending more on the bigger players.

“It’s a bad time generally, with the economic climate we’re faced with, but rugby league clubs are feeling the financial strain too and it’s affecting players as well.

“When the financial crisis at Bradford became apparent we got told to prepare for the worst; that we might not have a job.

“I started being pro-active, put the feelers out and have managed to find myself an opportunity I can’t afford to turn down.

“Not only financially but also for the fact that it’s something that’s going to sustain me for the rest of my life, whereas rugby league just isn’t.”

Hargreaves queried the licensing process and believes other clubs could follow Wakefield, Crusaders and Bradford in suffering potentially disastrous financial problems.

He said: “There are other clubs in Super League who are struggling massively. If a club’s big-money backer decided to back out at any point, then that club could go.

“The sport is on tenterhooks at the moment and the people in charge of the game need to do something about it.

“I thought this whole licensing process was supposed to stop things like this happening. But it’s happened to three clubs now – Wakefield, Crusaders and Bradford – in such a short space of time and there are other clubs that are on the verge.

“It’s a downward spiral and there is no way of raising the cap to sign players because the clubs don’t have any money.

“The Stobart deal has to be the worst sponsorship deal in history. How can it actually be a sponsor if there’s no actual money for it? It’s obviously not worked and things need to change.”

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8:45am Thu 20 Sep 12

raisemeup says...

You are a great loss to the game Bryn, we wish you all the best. You have said it as it is. It is sad that those in the Ivory Towers have disillusioned you so much, as they have our supporters. Rest assured you have not let anyone down by your decision. It has indeed been a baptism of fire and according to the media, it isn't going to end soon.
You are a great loss to the game Bryn, we wish you all the best. You have said it as it is. It is sad that those in the Ivory Towers have disillusioned you so much, as they have our supporters. Rest assured you have not let anyone down by your decision. It has indeed been a baptism of fire and according to the media, it isn't going to end soon. raisemeup
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8:54am Thu 20 Sep 12

Mumby was the best says...

Its a big decision as you are a long time retired and can't turn clock back later, I am sure BH will end up playing for someone even if just in a social manner with friends.
Its a big decision as you are a long time retired and can't turn clock back later, I am sure BH will end up playing for someone even if just in a social manner with friends. Mumby was the best
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9:02am Thu 20 Sep 12

Capabull says...

Everybody just ignore anything Mumby writes-- Simples
Everybody just ignore anything Mumby writes-- Simples Capabull
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9:20am Thu 20 Sep 12

Van Bellen's Baby says...

Capabull wrote:
Everybody just ignore anything Mumby writes-- Simples
Like you did ;-)
[quote][p][bold]Capabull[/bold] wrote: Everybody just ignore anything Mumby writes-- Simples[/p][/quote]Like you did ;-) Van Bellen's Baby
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9:55am Thu 20 Sep 12

Old Dave says...

I'm glad that an intelligent player, has, from the inside of our game, told it as it is.

Yes there is bitterness here, but his responses are well considered and I am sure echoed by many of the "pieces of meat" that provide us with entertainment each weekend.

He is a loss to our club and our game, and I feel that had he still been at a higher profile club, he would have been not far off a full international place.

It also makes me think of the less intelligent or less well qualified players in the game, and what they will do after their playing career ends? the game needs to look more closely at whether or not full time professionalism is sustainable.

I wish him well for his future!
I'm glad that an intelligent player, has, from the inside of our game, told it as it is. Yes there is bitterness here, but his responses are well considered and I am sure echoed by many of the "pieces of meat" that provide us with entertainment each weekend. He is a loss to our club and our game, and I feel that had he still been at a higher profile club, he would have been not far off a full international place. It also makes me think of the less intelligent or less well qualified players in the game, and what they will do after their playing career ends? the game needs to look more closely at whether or not full time professionalism is sustainable. I wish him well for his future! Old Dave
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10:02am Thu 20 Sep 12

Schoey 2 says...

A very honest account of the state of SL from top to bottom.

Bryn was a good solid player having been employed by 3 big clubs in SH, Wigan, and Bulls and at 26 certainly would have had a future in the game at another SL club that is for sure.

But he has seen the bigger picture that SL is in a state, and opted for the 'safety' of regular well paid work that will keep him and his family secure, as clearly he has concerns over the short term future of the sport in the UK.

Other clubs - be it in the off season - or during 2013 I am certain will follow suit as has been with the Bulls in 2012. We will not be alone in this.

The future of SL and some of the clubs is not good, and it will be important how the fat boys at RFL tackle the problems, or ignore them.

Good look to Bryn wherever he ends up.
A very honest account of the state of SL from top to bottom. Bryn was a good solid player having been employed by 3 big clubs in SH, Wigan, and Bulls and at 26 certainly would have had a future in the game at another SL club that is for sure. But he has seen the bigger picture that SL is in a state, and opted for the 'safety' of regular well paid work that will keep him and his family secure, as clearly he has concerns over the short term future of the sport in the UK. Other clubs - be it in the off season - or during 2013 I am certain will follow suit as has been with the Bulls in 2012. We will not be alone in this. The future of SL and some of the clubs is not good, and it will be important how the fat boys at RFL tackle the problems, or ignore them. Good look to Bryn wherever he ends up. Schoey 2
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10:10am Thu 20 Sep 12

RL Ron says...

Good luck to him and you can't disregard what he says completely.

But I would make a case for the Stobart deal. Yes, it hasn't worked out and is a bit of a disaster truth be told. But it could have worked out a lot better, it was an innovative move that sadly didn't pan out well. However, Stobart didn't get it for free either. They have spent almost half a million pounds on the trucks and the deal is to be scrapped after one year.
Good luck to him and you can't disregard what he says completely. But I would make a case for the Stobart deal. Yes, it hasn't worked out and is a bit of a disaster truth be told. But it could have worked out a lot better, it was an innovative move that sadly didn't pan out well. However, Stobart didn't get it for free either. They have spent almost half a million pounds on the trucks and the deal is to be scrapped after one year. RL Ron
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10:17am Thu 20 Sep 12

theviking62 says...

I would hope that the Bulls will hold on to his registration. So, whenever he decides the time has come to return to the game, they will have an experienced prop, ready to go.
I would hope that the Bulls will hold on to his registration. So, whenever he decides the time has come to return to the game, they will have an experienced prop, ready to go. theviking62
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10:29am Thu 20 Sep 12

Mumby was the best says...

Well said my friend.
Well said my friend. Mumby was the best
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10:32am Thu 20 Sep 12

flashdonut says...

theviking62 wrote:
I would hope that the Bulls will hold on to his registration. So, whenever he decides the time has come to return to the game, they will have an experienced prop, ready to go.
I don't believe you can when a player's contract runs out. We would only retain if a player leaves while under contract - Sam Burgess for example. Bryn is basically a free agent now and can pick and chose what he does, but not a bad thought.
[quote][p][bold]theviking62[/bold] wrote: I would hope that the Bulls will hold on to his registration. So, whenever he decides the time has come to return to the game, they will have an experienced prop, ready to go.[/p][/quote]I don't believe you can when a player's contract runs out. We would only retain if a player leaves while under contract - Sam Burgess for example. Bryn is basically a free agent now and can pick and chose what he does, but not a bad thought. flashdonut
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10:56am Thu 20 Sep 12

bully4us says...

I suppost that even at 26 if a good career opportunity comes along then you need to consider it. He was starting to look like a really solid prop who was starting to replace Lynchy. I suppose he would be an ideal recruit in one of the emergency services or something like that whatever he has chosen - so good luck and thank you Bryn.
I suppost that even at 26 if a good career opportunity comes along then you need to consider it. He was starting to look like a really solid prop who was starting to replace Lynchy. I suppose he would be an ideal recruit in one of the emergency services or something like that whatever he has chosen - so good luck and thank you Bryn. bully4us
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11:01am Thu 20 Sep 12

Capabull says...

Well done to Bryn for pointing out the king has no clothes. Most fans realise that if a club needs a benefactor to keep clearing their debts then the game is not being run right.
Maybe there was no round of mini franchising because the 3 championship clubs did not fancy entering a league which could bankrupt them within a couple of seasons.
If some of the sruggling clubs don`t sell many season tickets or get an injection of finance before Xmas, they maybe in admin before the new season.
Well done to Bryn for pointing out the king has no clothes. Most fans realise that if a club needs a benefactor to keep clearing their debts then the game is not being run right. Maybe there was no round of mini franchising because the 3 championship clubs did not fancy entering a league which could bankrupt them within a couple of seasons. If some of the sruggling clubs don`t sell many season tickets or get an injection of finance before Xmas, they maybe in admin before the new season. Capabull
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11:12am Thu 20 Sep 12

dfell says...

Sounds a bright lad to me. Talks a lot of sense. I wish him well.
Sounds a bright lad to me. Talks a lot of sense. I wish him well. dfell
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11:34am Thu 20 Sep 12

BierleyBoy says...

There are a lot of preconceptions amongst the games followers about how 'wonderful' rugby league is & a lot of myths peddled about the rugby league family.

Bryn has lifted the corner of the carpet to expose just a fraction of what is hidden. Rugby eague is just as rotten & corupt as any other sport. The players are indeed treated like piees of meat & any dissenting voices often dismissed as having an agenda.

It says it all for me that the RFL has not at any point said it will be investigating the chronic mismanagement of the Bulls. They won't do that vecause Caisley is too embedded in the game, which is why Guilfoyle got the admin gig, & it will expose the farce of licensing which gave the Bulls a B grade licence.

Then there's also the complete lack of openness & integrity around how the Bulls were llowed to walk away from huge debts & continue in Super League. Probationary licence? What is one of those?

The edifice is crumbling & there are those at Red Hall who have been there so long they are central to the problem.

Good luck Bryn. Start fresh & move on.
There are a lot of preconceptions amongst the games followers about how 'wonderful' rugby league is & a lot of myths peddled about the rugby league family. Bryn has lifted the corner of the carpet to expose just a fraction of what is hidden. Rugby eague is just as rotten & corupt as any other sport. The players are indeed treated like piees of meat & any dissenting voices often dismissed as having an agenda. It says it all for me that the RFL has not at any point said it will be investigating the chronic mismanagement of the Bulls. They won't do that vecause Caisley is too embedded in the game, which is why Guilfoyle got the admin gig, & it will expose the farce of licensing which gave the Bulls a B grade licence. Then there's also the complete lack of openness & integrity around how the Bulls were llowed to walk away from huge debts & continue in Super League. Probationary licence? What is one of those? The edifice is crumbling & there are those at Red Hall who have been there so long they are central to the problem. Good luck Bryn. Start fresh & move on. BierleyBoy
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11:52am Thu 20 Sep 12

raisemeup says...

I have heard that Hull KR are going through this nightmare scenario, that we have just faced.

Not sure of any more detail as yet. However it begs the question that Bryn is raising. Who actually is doing anything positive about the state of the game. Inevitably the rot began to set in when V.A.T was increased to 20% and image rights tax loopholes were closed abruptly (rightly so, but it wasn't illegal at the time, so clubs weren't doing anything wrong). Instead of the RFL standing the corner for SL clubs they took a viewpoint that any club who faced administration is vaguely criminal, and deserved to be punished.
To a certain extent the publicity from other sources has been a damming indictment of our game, not helped by the 'Holier than Thou' comments from people who should know better having been in the situations themselves at other clubs, we should be able to expect a willingness from them to help achieve a workable solution for our sport in total. Instead we have had comments from SKY pundits, Kear and the most recent on Bootsnall from Paul Cullen, who was scathing in his criticism of the Bulls.

What we need is a unified think tank, without comments to the effect that the clubs in dire straits are always to blame for circumstances that are often uncontrollable.

The budget prediction for a season is unpredictable due to clubs competing for sponsors and hopefully putting together a playing staff, that is going to be attractive to fans for the following season. If they can get a good response to advance season tickets, at least they are in with a chance of getting to the target figure.

The one unequivical factor in this messy scenario the 'Bulls' have faced and others too, besides those that may be in the same position in the coming year. Is that the RFL needs to be a true servant of the game and not the master, which seems to be how they see themselves at the moment.

We as a sport can solve the crisis, but not when we are wasting energy on back biting, scoring Brownie points from each other, plus the worst situation imaginable of 'I'm alright Jack mentalities'.
That's enough for now!

Good luck Bryn, and thanks for giving us the players perspective. Fans expectations are often more than a mere human being can deliver.
But you have often shown us the Superman qualities that has lived up to our expectations.
I have heard that Hull KR are going through this nightmare scenario, that we have just faced. Not sure of any more detail as yet. However it begs the question that Bryn is raising. Who actually is doing anything positive about the state of the game. Inevitably the rot began to set in when V.A.T was increased to 20% and image rights tax loopholes were closed abruptly (rightly so, but it wasn't illegal at the time, so clubs weren't doing anything wrong). Instead of the RFL standing the corner for SL clubs they took a viewpoint that any club who faced administration is vaguely criminal, and deserved to be punished. To a certain extent the publicity from other sources has been a damming indictment of our game, not helped by the 'Holier than Thou' comments from people who should know better having been in the situations themselves at other clubs, we should be able to expect a willingness from them to help achieve a workable solution for our sport in total. Instead we have had comments from SKY pundits, Kear and the most recent on Bootsnall from Paul Cullen, who was scathing in his criticism of the Bulls. What we need is a unified think tank, without comments to the effect that the clubs in dire straits are always to blame for circumstances that are often uncontrollable. The budget prediction for a season is unpredictable due to clubs competing for sponsors and hopefully putting together a playing staff, that is going to be attractive to fans for the following season. If they can get a good response to advance season tickets, at least they are in with a chance of getting to the target figure. The one unequivical factor in this messy scenario the 'Bulls' have faced and others too, besides those that may be in the same position in the coming year. Is that the RFL needs to be a true servant of the game and not the master, which seems to be how they see themselves at the moment. We as a sport can solve the crisis, but not when we are wasting energy on back biting, scoring Brownie points from each other, plus the worst situation imaginable of 'I'm alright Jack mentalities'. That's enough for now! Good luck Bryn, and thanks for giving us the players perspective. Fans expectations are often more than a mere human being can deliver. But you have often shown us the Superman qualities that has lived up to our expectations. raisemeup
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12:00pm Thu 20 Sep 12

Steam Pigs says...

BierleyBoy wrote:
There are a lot of preconceptions amongst the games followers about how 'wonderful' rugby league is & a lot of myths peddled about the rugby league family.

Bryn has lifted the corner of the carpet to expose just a fraction of what is hidden. Rugby eague is just as rotten & corupt as any other sport. The players are indeed treated like piees of meat & any dissenting voices often dismissed as having an agenda.

It says it all for me that the RFL has not at any point said it will be investigating the chronic mismanagement of the Bulls. They won't do that vecause Caisley is too embedded in the game, which is why Guilfoyle got the admin gig, & it will expose the farce of licensing which gave the Bulls a B grade licence.

Then there's also the complete lack of openness & integrity around how the Bulls were llowed to walk away from huge debts & continue in Super League. Probationary licence? What is one of those?

The edifice is crumbling & there are those at Red Hall who have been there so long they are central to the problem.

Good luck Bryn. Start fresh & move on.
What myths are you alluding to? And preconceptions? As a lifelong RL fan, I know exactly what the game is and how it is cash poor compared to others, I’m pretty sure if I ask anyone of the same ilk they will agree, but the visual product is unsurpassed.

Can I state, I am treated as a piece of meat by my employer too, I just put my brain on the line not my physical body – so what? They get paid more and in some cases get paid a hell of a lot...... Can I have evidence of the corruption in RL (that’s not your opinion of corruption actual legal take me to court corruption) – who has dissented and been accused of having an agenda? Keith Senior?????

Why would the RFL investigate a company? Mismanagement is not illegal – tax evasion is, and it would HMRC who investigate that. The RFL uphold the laws and values of the game they do not police profit making businesses. How is a players agent, Caisley, too embedded in the game?

When you get a job, you are put on probation, when you are let out of the nick you are put on probation, call it a good behaviour bond, that is what the Bulls have – be good chaps and you can have a SL license again type thing – the Bulls didn’t walk anyway from debts, you need to understand the difference between the sporting entity and the commercial entity, when you do you’ll understand why the Bulls didn’t walk away from any debts.

The RFL have posted £25 million profits – some crumbling edifice that.......

Do agree with your last statement
[quote][p][bold]BierleyBoy[/bold] wrote: There are a lot of preconceptions amongst the games followers about how 'wonderful' rugby league is & a lot of myths peddled about the rugby league family. Bryn has lifted the corner of the carpet to expose just a fraction of what is hidden. Rugby eague is just as rotten & corupt as any other sport. The players are indeed treated like piees of meat & any dissenting voices often dismissed as having an agenda. It says it all for me that the RFL has not at any point said it will be investigating the chronic mismanagement of the Bulls. They won't do that vecause Caisley is too embedded in the game, which is why Guilfoyle got the admin gig, & it will expose the farce of licensing which gave the Bulls a B grade licence. Then there's also the complete lack of openness & integrity around how the Bulls were llowed to walk away from huge debts & continue in Super League. Probationary licence? What is one of those? The edifice is crumbling & there are those at Red Hall who have been there so long they are central to the problem. Good luck Bryn. Start fresh & move on.[/p][/quote]What myths are you alluding to? And preconceptions? As a lifelong RL fan, I know exactly what the game is and how it is cash poor compared to others, I’m pretty sure if I ask anyone of the same ilk they will agree, but the visual product is unsurpassed. Can I state, I am treated as a piece of meat by my employer too, I just put my brain on the line not my physical body – so what? They get paid more and in some cases get paid a hell of a lot...... Can I have evidence of the corruption in RL (that’s not your opinion of corruption actual legal take me to court corruption) – who has dissented and been accused of having an agenda? Keith Senior????? Why would the RFL investigate a company? Mismanagement is not illegal – tax evasion is, and it would HMRC who investigate that. The RFL uphold the laws and values of the game they do not police profit making businesses. How is a players agent, Caisley, too embedded in the game? When you get a job, you are put on probation, when you are let out of the nick you are put on probation, call it a good behaviour bond, that is what the Bulls have – be good chaps and you can have a SL license again type thing – the Bulls didn’t walk anyway from debts, you need to understand the difference between the sporting entity and the commercial entity, when you do you’ll understand why the Bulls didn’t walk away from any debts. The RFL have posted £25 million profits – some crumbling edifice that....... Do agree with your last statement Steam Pigs
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12:13pm Thu 20 Sep 12

bullybullman says...

BierleyBoy wrote:
There are a lot of preconceptions amongst the games followers about how 'wonderful' rugby league is & a lot of myths peddled about the rugby league family.

Bryn has lifted the corner of the carpet to expose just a fraction of what is hidden. Rugby eague is just as rotten & corupt as any other sport. The players are indeed treated like piees of meat & any dissenting voices often dismissed as having an agenda.

It says it all for me that the RFL has not at any point said it will be investigating the chronic mismanagement of the Bulls. They won't do that vecause Caisley is too embedded in the game, which is why Guilfoyle got the admin gig, & it will expose the farce of licensing which gave the Bulls a B grade licence.

Then there's also the complete lack of openness & integrity around how the Bulls were llowed to walk away from huge debts & continue in Super League. Probationary licence? What is one of those?

The edifice is crumbling & there are those at Red Hall who have been there so long they are central to the problem.

Good luck Bryn. Start fresh & move on.
How have we walked away Omar is paying the debt !
[quote][p][bold]BierleyBoy[/bold] wrote: There are a lot of preconceptions amongst the games followers about how 'wonderful' rugby league is & a lot of myths peddled about the rugby league family. Bryn has lifted the corner of the carpet to expose just a fraction of what is hidden. Rugby eague is just as rotten & corupt as any other sport. The players are indeed treated like piees of meat & any dissenting voices often dismissed as having an agenda. It says it all for me that the RFL has not at any point said it will be investigating the chronic mismanagement of the Bulls. They won't do that vecause Caisley is too embedded in the game, which is why Guilfoyle got the admin gig, & it will expose the farce of licensing which gave the Bulls a B grade licence. Then there's also the complete lack of openness & integrity around how the Bulls were llowed to walk away from huge debts & continue in Super League. Probationary licence? What is one of those? The edifice is crumbling & there are those at Red Hall who have been there so long they are central to the problem. Good luck Bryn. Start fresh & move on.[/p][/quote]How have we walked away Omar is paying the debt ! bullybullman
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12:15pm Thu 20 Sep 12

bullybullman says...

Capabull wrote:
Everybody just ignore anything Mumby writes-- Simples
Your a bit touchy !!!!
[quote][p][bold]Capabull[/bold] wrote: Everybody just ignore anything Mumby writes-- Simples[/p][/quote]Your a bit touchy !!!! bullybullman
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12:35pm Thu 20 Sep 12

Adeybull says...

A lot of sound postings above.

I'll just echo those. Clearly spoken from the heart - good man, Bryn. Best of luck to you in your new venture.

Just a shame some others can't yet see the elephant in the room.
A lot of sound postings above. I'll just echo those. Clearly spoken from the heart - good man, Bryn. Best of luck to you in your new venture. Just a shame some others can't yet see the elephant in the room. Adeybull
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12:52pm Thu 20 Sep 12

BierleyBoy says...

bullybullman wrote:
BierleyBoy wrote:
There are a lot of preconceptions amongst the games followers about how 'wonderful' rugby league is & a lot of myths peddled about the rugby league family.

Bryn has lifted the corner of the carpet to expose just a fraction of what is hidden. Rugby eague is just as rotten & corupt as any other sport. The players are indeed treated like piees of meat & any dissenting voices often dismissed as having an agenda.

It says it all for me that the RFL has not at any point said it will be investigating the chronic mismanagement of the Bulls. They won't do that vecause Caisley is too embedded in the game, which is why Guilfoyle got the admin gig, & it will expose the farce of licensing which gave the Bulls a B grade licence.

Then there's also the complete lack of openness & integrity around how the Bulls were llowed to walk away from huge debts & continue in Super League. Probationary licence? What is one of those?

The edifice is crumbling & there are those at Red Hall who have been there so long they are central to the problem.

Good luck Bryn. Start fresh & move on.
How have we walked away Omar is paying the debt !
Omar Khan & OK Bulls Ltd are not paying any of the debts of Bradford Bulls Holdings Ltd. Had Omar Khan bought Bradford Bulls Holdings Ltd he ould have assumed responsibility for the debts of that company.

That company has been liquidated & al it's debts went with it. Please feel free to provide any evidence that the new company has taken over debts accrued by the old company.
[quote][p][bold]bullybullman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BierleyBoy[/bold] wrote: There are a lot of preconceptions amongst the games followers about how 'wonderful' rugby league is & a lot of myths peddled about the rugby league family. Bryn has lifted the corner of the carpet to expose just a fraction of what is hidden. Rugby eague is just as rotten & corupt as any other sport. The players are indeed treated like piees of meat & any dissenting voices often dismissed as having an agenda. It says it all for me that the RFL has not at any point said it will be investigating the chronic mismanagement of the Bulls. They won't do that vecause Caisley is too embedded in the game, which is why Guilfoyle got the admin gig, & it will expose the farce of licensing which gave the Bulls a B grade licence. Then there's also the complete lack of openness & integrity around how the Bulls were llowed to walk away from huge debts & continue in Super League. Probationary licence? What is one of those? The edifice is crumbling & there are those at Red Hall who have been there so long they are central to the problem. Good luck Bryn. Start fresh & move on.[/p][/quote]How have we walked away Omar is paying the debt ![/p][/quote]Omar Khan & OK Bulls Ltd are not paying any of the debts of Bradford Bulls Holdings Ltd. Had Omar Khan bought Bradford Bulls Holdings Ltd he ould have assumed responsibility for the debts of that company. That company has been liquidated & al it's debts went with it. Please feel free to provide any evidence that the new company has taken over debts accrued by the old company. BierleyBoy
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12:55pm Thu 20 Sep 12

BierleyBoy says...

Steam Pigs wrote:
BierleyBoy wrote:
There are a lot of preconceptions amongst the games followers about how 'wonderful' rugby league is & a lot of myths peddled about the rugby league family.

Bryn has lifted the corner of the carpet to expose just a fraction of what is hidden. Rugby eague is just as rotten & corupt as any other sport. The players are indeed treated like piees of meat & any dissenting voices often dismissed as having an agenda.

It says it all for me that the RFL has not at any point said it will be investigating the chronic mismanagement of the Bulls. They won't do that vecause Caisley is too embedded in the game, which is why Guilfoyle got the admin gig, & it will expose the farce of licensing which gave the Bulls a B grade licence.

Then there's also the complete lack of openness & integrity around how the Bulls were llowed to walk away from huge debts & continue in Super League. Probationary licence? What is one of those?

The edifice is crumbling & there are those at Red Hall who have been there so long they are central to the problem.

Good luck Bryn. Start fresh & move on.
What myths are you alluding to? And preconceptions? As a lifelong RL fan, I know exactly what the game is and how it is cash poor compared to others, I’m pretty sure if I ask anyone of the same ilk they will agree, but the visual product is unsurpassed.

Can I state, I am treated as a piece of meat by my employer too, I just put my brain on the line not my physical body – so what? They get paid more and in some cases get paid a hell of a lot...... Can I have evidence of the corruption in RL (that’s not your opinion of corruption actual legal take me to court corruption) – who has dissented and been accused of having an agenda? Keith Senior?????

Why would the RFL investigate a company? Mismanagement is not illegal – tax evasion is, and it would HMRC who investigate that. The RFL uphold the laws and values of the game they do not police profit making businesses. How is a players agent, Caisley, too embedded in the game?

When you get a job, you are put on probation, when you are let out of the nick you are put on probation, call it a good behaviour bond, that is what the Bulls have – be good chaps and you can have a SL license again type thing – the Bulls didn’t walk anyway from debts, you need to understand the difference between the sporting entity and the commercial entity, when you do you’ll understand why the Bulls didn’t walk away from any debts.

The RFL have posted £25 million profits – some crumbling edifice that.......

Do agree with your last statement
As if by magic an ostrich appears to prove my point.
[quote][p][bold]Steam Pigs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BierleyBoy[/bold] wrote: There are a lot of preconceptions amongst the games followers about how 'wonderful' rugby league is & a lot of myths peddled about the rugby league family. Bryn has lifted the corner of the carpet to expose just a fraction of what is hidden. Rugby eague is just as rotten & corupt as any other sport. The players are indeed treated like piees of meat & any dissenting voices often dismissed as having an agenda. It says it all for me that the RFL has not at any point said it will be investigating the chronic mismanagement of the Bulls. They won't do that vecause Caisley is too embedded in the game, which is why Guilfoyle got the admin gig, & it will expose the farce of licensing which gave the Bulls a B grade licence. Then there's also the complete lack of openness & integrity around how the Bulls were llowed to walk away from huge debts & continue in Super League. Probationary licence? What is one of those? The edifice is crumbling & there are those at Red Hall who have been there so long they are central to the problem. Good luck Bryn. Start fresh & move on.[/p][/quote]What myths are you alluding to? And preconceptions? As a lifelong RL fan, I know exactly what the game is and how it is cash poor compared to others, I’m pretty sure if I ask anyone of the same ilk they will agree, but the visual product is unsurpassed. Can I state, I am treated as a piece of meat by my employer too, I just put my brain on the line not my physical body – so what? They get paid more and in some cases get paid a hell of a lot...... Can I have evidence of the corruption in RL (that’s not your opinion of corruption actual legal take me to court corruption) – who has dissented and been accused of having an agenda? Keith Senior????? Why would the RFL investigate a company? Mismanagement is not illegal – tax evasion is, and it would HMRC who investigate that. The RFL uphold the laws and values of the game they do not police profit making businesses. How is a players agent, Caisley, too embedded in the game? When you get a job, you are put on probation, when you are let out of the nick you are put on probation, call it a good behaviour bond, that is what the Bulls have – be good chaps and you can have a SL license again type thing – the Bulls didn’t walk anyway from debts, you need to understand the difference between the sporting entity and the commercial entity, when you do you’ll understand why the Bulls didn’t walk away from any debts. The RFL have posted £25 million profits – some crumbling edifice that....... Do agree with your last statement[/p][/quote]As if by magic an ostrich appears to prove my point. BierleyBoy
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1:16pm Thu 20 Sep 12

Mumby was the best says...

A certain owner of a certain super league club needs to channel his attention and chequebook towards some outstanding bills himself if you get my drift.
A certain owner of a certain super league club needs to channel his attention and chequebook towards some outstanding bills himself if you get my drift. Mumby was the best
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1:21pm Thu 20 Sep 12

Steam Pigs says...

BierleyBoy wrote:
Steam Pigs wrote:
BierleyBoy wrote:
There are a lot of preconceptions amongst the games followers about how 'wonderful' rugby league is & a lot of myths peddled about the rugby league family.

Bryn has lifted the corner of the carpet to expose just a fraction of what is hidden. Rugby eague is just as rotten & corupt as any other sport. The players are indeed treated like piees of meat & any dissenting voices often dismissed as having an agenda.

It says it all for me that the RFL has not at any point said it will be investigating the chronic mismanagement of the Bulls. They won't do that vecause Caisley is too embedded in the game, which is why Guilfoyle got the admin gig, & it will expose the farce of licensing which gave the Bulls a B grade licence.

Then there's also the complete lack of openness & integrity around how the Bulls were llowed to walk away from huge debts & continue in Super League. Probationary licence? What is one of those?

The edifice is crumbling & there are those at Red Hall who have been there so long they are central to the problem.

Good luck Bryn. Start fresh & move on.
What myths are you alluding to? And preconceptions? As a lifelong RL fan, I know exactly what the game is and how it is cash poor compared to others, I’m pretty sure if I ask anyone of the same ilk they will agree, but the visual product is unsurpassed.

Can I state, I am treated as a piece of meat by my employer too, I just put my brain on the line not my physical body – so what? They get paid more and in some cases get paid a hell of a lot...... Can I have evidence of the corruption in RL (that’s not your opinion of corruption actual legal take me to court corruption) – who has dissented and been accused of having an agenda? Keith Senior?????

Why would the RFL investigate a company? Mismanagement is not illegal – tax evasion is, and it would HMRC who investigate that. The RFL uphold the laws and values of the game they do not police profit making businesses. How is a players agent, Caisley, too embedded in the game?

When you get a job, you are put on probation, when you are let out of the nick you are put on probation, call it a good behaviour bond, that is what the Bulls have – be good chaps and you can have a SL license again type thing – the Bulls didn’t walk anyway from debts, you need to understand the difference between the sporting entity and the commercial entity, when you do you’ll understand why the Bulls didn’t walk away from any debts.

The RFL have posted £25 million profits – some crumbling edifice that.......

Do agree with your last statement
As if by magic an ostrich appears to prove my point.
no answers to your false allgations??

Appears you can not back up your statements

please enlighten me and other readers
or are you just another Troll?
[quote][p][bold]BierleyBoy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Steam Pigs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BierleyBoy[/bold] wrote: There are a lot of preconceptions amongst the games followers about how 'wonderful' rugby league is & a lot of myths peddled about the rugby league family. Bryn has lifted the corner of the carpet to expose just a fraction of what is hidden. Rugby eague is just as rotten & corupt as any other sport. The players are indeed treated like piees of meat & any dissenting voices often dismissed as having an agenda. It says it all for me that the RFL has not at any point said it will be investigating the chronic mismanagement of the Bulls. They won't do that vecause Caisley is too embedded in the game, which is why Guilfoyle got the admin gig, & it will expose the farce of licensing which gave the Bulls a B grade licence. Then there's also the complete lack of openness & integrity around how the Bulls were llowed to walk away from huge debts & continue in Super League. Probationary licence? What is one of those? The edifice is crumbling & there are those at Red Hall who have been there so long they are central to the problem. Good luck Bryn. Start fresh & move on.[/p][/quote]What myths are you alluding to? And preconceptions? As a lifelong RL fan, I know exactly what the game is and how it is cash poor compared to others, I’m pretty sure if I ask anyone of the same ilk they will agree, but the visual product is unsurpassed. Can I state, I am treated as a piece of meat by my employer too, I just put my brain on the line not my physical body – so what? They get paid more and in some cases get paid a hell of a lot...... Can I have evidence of the corruption in RL (that’s not your opinion of corruption actual legal take me to court corruption) – who has dissented and been accused of having an agenda? Keith Senior????? Why would the RFL investigate a company? Mismanagement is not illegal – tax evasion is, and it would HMRC who investigate that. The RFL uphold the laws and values of the game they do not police profit making businesses. How is a players agent, Caisley, too embedded in the game? When you get a job, you are put on probation, when you are let out of the nick you are put on probation, call it a good behaviour bond, that is what the Bulls have – be good chaps and you can have a SL license again type thing – the Bulls didn’t walk anyway from debts, you need to understand the difference between the sporting entity and the commercial entity, when you do you’ll understand why the Bulls didn’t walk away from any debts. The RFL have posted £25 million profits – some crumbling edifice that....... Do agree with your last statement[/p][/quote]As if by magic an ostrich appears to prove my point.[/p][/quote]no answers to your false allgations?? Appears you can not back up your statements please enlighten me and other readers or are you just another Troll? Steam Pigs
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1:25pm Thu 20 Sep 12

murphyslaw says...

As the ecomonomic situation goes from bad to worse businesses including sport will suffer. RL is particularly vunerable in it's present guise and I reckon more and more connected to the game will be considering their position as regards job security. If fans of the game aren't worried they should be as more and more clubs begin to struggle. I feel sure the RFL are not oblivious as they like us to think.
As the ecomonomic situation goes from bad to worse businesses including sport will suffer. RL is particularly vunerable in it's present guise and I reckon more and more connected to the game will be considering their position as regards job security. If fans of the game aren't worried they should be as more and more clubs begin to struggle. I feel sure the RFL are not oblivious as they like us to think. murphyslaw
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1:55pm Thu 20 Sep 12

BierleyBoy says...

Steam Pigs wrote:
BierleyBoy wrote:
Steam Pigs wrote:
BierleyBoy wrote:
There are a lot of preconceptions amongst the games followers about how 'wonderful' rugby league is & a lot of myths peddled about the rugby league family.

Bryn has lifted the corner of the carpet to expose just a fraction of what is hidden. Rugby eague is just as rotten & corupt as any other sport. The players are indeed treated like piees of meat & any dissenting voices often dismissed as having an agenda.

It says it all for me that the RFL has not at any point said it will be investigating the chronic mismanagement of the Bulls. They won't do that vecause Caisley is too embedded in the game, which is why Guilfoyle got the admin gig, & it will expose the farce of licensing which gave the Bulls a B grade licence.

Then there's also the complete lack of openness & integrity around how the Bulls were llowed to walk away from huge debts & continue in Super League. Probationary licence? What is one of those?

The edifice is crumbling & there are those at Red Hall who have been there so long they are central to the problem.

Good luck Bryn. Start fresh & move on.
What myths are you alluding to? And preconceptions? As a lifelong RL fan, I know exactly what the game is and how it is cash poor compared to others, I’m pretty sure if I ask anyone of the same ilk they will agree, but the visual product is unsurpassed.

Can I state, I am treated as a piece of meat by my employer too, I just put my brain on the line not my physical body – so what? They get paid more and in some cases get paid a hell of a lot...... Can I have evidence of the corruption in RL (that’s not your opinion of corruption actual legal take me to court corruption) – who has dissented and been accused of having an agenda? Keith Senior?????

Why would the RFL investigate a company? Mismanagement is not illegal – tax evasion is, and it would HMRC who investigate that. The RFL uphold the laws and values of the game they do not police profit making businesses. How is a players agent, Caisley, too embedded in the game?

When you get a job, you are put on probation, when you are let out of the nick you are put on probation, call it a good behaviour bond, that is what the Bulls have – be good chaps and you can have a SL license again type thing – the Bulls didn’t walk anyway from debts, you need to understand the difference between the sporting entity and the commercial entity, when you do you’ll understand why the Bulls didn’t walk away from any debts.

The RFL have posted £25 million profits – some crumbling edifice that.......

Do agree with your last statement
As if by magic an ostrich appears to prove my point.
no answers to your false allgations??

Appears you can not back up your statements

please enlighten me and other readers
or are you just another Troll?
What false allegations?

Are you happy to be treated like a piece of meat? Bryn clearly isn't and has called time. You clearly know nothingabout what goes on behind the scenes in player treatment to get them on the field. Nor the longer term ramifications of such treatment.

You need to lern about where Caisley sits in the rugby league hierarchy and what and who he knows.

The Bulls last licence applicaton is clearly seriously questionable. As is the financial management which resulted in such a mess being built up, let alone the way in which £400k was procured from the public appea.

You really think that the RFL membership rules and SL licence rules allow such behaviour to go unchecked? They don't. However the RFL won't act because t will expose the farce that is the licensing process.

The RFL is corupt because t won't act to investigate and ban those responsible at fr the Bulls mess. The RFL was complicit in trying to cover over the mess by buying the lease and not revealing what the real situation was at the Bulls. Unless of corse they were duped again? In which case how are those running the RFL fit and proper, never mind the Bulls shareholders and directors.

The sporting entiy and the business entity? They are one and the same. They are not two separate organsations in name or form.

Des Johnstone at Barrow received an 8 year ban from involvement in rugby league

What should the directors and shareholders of Bradford Bulls Holdings Lts receive for taking a club into such huge debt & subsequent liquidation?

The FL asn't ever posted those sort of profits.
[quote][p][bold]Steam Pigs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BierleyBoy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Steam Pigs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BierleyBoy[/bold] wrote: There are a lot of preconceptions amongst the games followers about how 'wonderful' rugby league is & a lot of myths peddled about the rugby league family. Bryn has lifted the corner of the carpet to expose just a fraction of what is hidden. Rugby eague is just as rotten & corupt as any other sport. The players are indeed treated like piees of meat & any dissenting voices often dismissed as having an agenda. It says it all for me that the RFL has not at any point said it will be investigating the chronic mismanagement of the Bulls. They won't do that vecause Caisley is too embedded in the game, which is why Guilfoyle got the admin gig, & it will expose the farce of licensing which gave the Bulls a B grade licence. Then there's also the complete lack of openness & integrity around how the Bulls were llowed to walk away from huge debts & continue in Super League. Probationary licence? What is one of those? The edifice is crumbling & there are those at Red Hall who have been there so long they are central to the problem. Good luck Bryn. Start fresh & move on.[/p][/quote]What myths are you alluding to? And preconceptions? As a lifelong RL fan, I know exactly what the game is and how it is cash poor compared to others, I’m pretty sure if I ask anyone of the same ilk they will agree, but the visual product is unsurpassed. Can I state, I am treated as a piece of meat by my employer too, I just put my brain on the line not my physical body – so what? They get paid more and in some cases get paid a hell of a lot...... Can I have evidence of the corruption in RL (that’s not your opinion of corruption actual legal take me to court corruption) – who has dissented and been accused of having an agenda? Keith Senior????? Why would the RFL investigate a company? Mismanagement is not illegal – tax evasion is, and it would HMRC who investigate that. The RFL uphold the laws and values of the game they do not police profit making businesses. How is a players agent, Caisley, too embedded in the game? When you get a job, you are put on probation, when you are let out of the nick you are put on probation, call it a good behaviour bond, that is what the Bulls have – be good chaps and you can have a SL license again type thing – the Bulls didn’t walk anyway from debts, you need to understand the difference between the sporting entity and the commercial entity, when you do you’ll understand why the Bulls didn’t walk away from any debts. The RFL have posted £25 million profits – some crumbling edifice that....... Do agree with your last statement[/p][/quote]As if by magic an ostrich appears to prove my point.[/p][/quote]no answers to your false allgations?? Appears you can not back up your statements please enlighten me and other readers or are you just another Troll?[/p][/quote]What false allegations? Are you happy to be treated like a piece of meat? Bryn clearly isn't and has called time. You clearly know nothingabout what goes on behind the scenes in player treatment to get them on the field. Nor the longer term ramifications of such treatment. You need to lern about where Caisley sits in the rugby league hierarchy and what and who he knows. The Bulls last licence applicaton is clearly seriously questionable. As is the financial management which resulted in such a mess being built up, let alone the way in which £400k was procured from the public appea. You really think that the RFL membership rules and SL licence rules allow such behaviour to go unchecked? They don't. However the RFL won't act because t will expose the farce that is the licensing process. The RFL is corupt because t won't act to investigate and ban those responsible at fr the Bulls mess. The RFL was complicit in trying to cover over the mess by buying the lease and not revealing what the real situation was at the Bulls. Unless of corse they were duped again? In which case how are those running the RFL fit and proper, never mind the Bulls shareholders and directors. The sporting entiy and the business entity? They are one and the same. They are not two separate organsations in name or form. Des Johnstone at Barrow received an 8 year ban from involvement in rugby league What should the directors and shareholders of Bradford Bulls Holdings Lts receive for taking a club into such huge debt & subsequent liquidation? The FL asn't ever posted those sort of profits. BierleyBoy
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2:34pm Thu 20 Sep 12

Steam Pigs says...

BierleyBoy wrote:
Steam Pigs wrote:
BierleyBoy wrote:
Steam Pigs wrote:
BierleyBoy wrote:
There are a lot of preconceptions amongst the games followers about how 'wonderful' rugby league is & a lot of myths peddled about the rugby league family.

Bryn has lifted the corner of the carpet to expose just a fraction of what is hidden. Rugby eague is just as rotten & corupt as any other sport. The players are indeed treated like piees of meat & any dissenting voices often dismissed as having an agenda.

It says it all for me that the RFL has not at any point said it will be investigating the chronic mismanagement of the Bulls. They won't do that vecause Caisley is too embedded in the game, which is why Guilfoyle got the admin gig, & it will expose the farce of licensing which gave the Bulls a B grade licence.

Then there's also the complete lack of openness & integrity around how the Bulls were llowed to walk away from huge debts & continue in Super League. Probationary licence? What is one of those?

The edifice is crumbling & there are those at Red Hall who have been there so long they are central to the problem.

Good luck Bryn. Start fresh & move on.
What myths are you alluding to? And preconceptions? As a lifelong RL fan, I know exactly what the game is and how it is cash poor compared to others, I’m pretty sure if I ask anyone of the same ilk they will agree, but the visual product is unsurpassed.

Can I state, I am treated as a piece of meat by my employer too, I just put my brain on the line not my physical body – so what? They get paid more and in some cases get paid a hell of a lot...... Can I have evidence of the corruption in RL (that’s not your opinion of corruption actual legal take me to court corruption) – who has dissented and been accused of having an agenda? Keith Senior?????

Why would the RFL investigate a company? Mismanagement is not illegal – tax evasion is, and it would HMRC who investigate that. The RFL uphold the laws and values of the game they do not police profit making businesses. How is a players agent, Caisley, too embedded in the game?

When you get a job, you are put on probation, when you are let out of the nick you are put on probation, call it a good behaviour bond, that is what the Bulls have – be good chaps and you can have a SL license again type thing – the Bulls didn’t walk anyway from debts, you need to understand the difference between the sporting entity and the commercial entity, when you do you’ll understand why the Bulls didn’t walk away from any debts.

The RFL have posted £25 million profits – some crumbling edifice that.......

Do agree with your last statement
As if by magic an ostrich appears to prove my point.
no answers to your false allgations??

Appears you can not back up your statements

please enlighten me and other readers
or are you just another Troll?
What false allegations?

Are you happy to be treated like a piece of meat? Bryn clearly isn't and has called time. You clearly know nothingabout what goes on behind the scenes in player treatment to get them on the field. Nor the longer term ramifications of such treatment.

You need to lern about where Caisley sits in the rugby league hierarchy and what and who he knows.

The Bulls last licence applicaton is clearly seriously questionable. As is the financial management which resulted in such a mess being built up, let alone the way in which £400k was procured from the public appea.

You really think that the RFL membership rules and SL licence rules allow such behaviour to go unchecked? They don't. However the RFL won't act because t will expose the farce that is the licensing process.

The RFL is corupt because t won't act to investigate and ban those responsible at fr the Bulls mess. The RFL was complicit in trying to cover over the mess by buying the lease and not revealing what the real situation was at the Bulls. Unless of corse they were duped again? In which case how are those running the RFL fit and proper, never mind the Bulls shareholders and directors.

The sporting entiy and the business entity? They are one and the same. They are not two separate organsations in name or form.

Des Johnstone at Barrow received an 8 year ban from involvement in rugby league

What should the directors and shareholders of Bradford Bulls Holdings Lts receive for taking a club into such huge debt & subsequent liquidation?

The FL asn't ever posted those sort of profits.
It’s the way of the world in a capitalist free market, we are ALL commodities hence pieces of meat and treated thus – tell me one organisation that doesn’t do that???
I know little of player prep and healing, true, but what I do know is that no one holds a gun to these guys head saying do it, they are paid a very fair wage in return, our soliders put their bodies ion the line for a lot less cash with a lot more serious ramifications... do not make out that RL players are badly treated especially at SL level.......

Educate me on Caisley, as far as I know he is a consultant for a law firm and also a player agent – where does that put him in the Hierachy?? Just above a slug if you ask me...... you seem to be alluding to something juicy?? Has CC got pics of Nigel Wood wearing a tutu at a National Socialist party meeting shaking hands with Rob Andrew?

Who is responsible for the Bulls mess? Caisley? Hood? Both? More? Neither? Without an in-depth investigation we will never know and no-one will pay the money for an in-depth investigation, so we will never know. As for the RFL being complicit in a cover up, they haven’t done it for just the Bulls you know!! London/Crusaders spring straight to mind, at least the RFL got something as a tangible asset out of the Bulls

So when Bradford Bulls Holding Ltd gets liquidated Bradford Bulls RL Club will go too???? I’m pretty sure OK Bulls ltd bought the Bradford Bulls... so not the same organisations.......
..

In my view many untold nasties shoudl fall upon the former directors not the 100’s of innocent shareholders. What will happen – naff all unfortunetly

Sorry, it wasn’t profit, it was turnover but the point was ever year the turnover at the RL increases as do the profits so more money is ploughed back into the game as the game generates more
[quote][p][bold]BierleyBoy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Steam Pigs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BierleyBoy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Steam Pigs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BierleyBoy[/bold] wrote: There are a lot of preconceptions amongst the games followers about how 'wonderful' rugby league is & a lot of myths peddled about the rugby league family. Bryn has lifted the corner of the carpet to expose just a fraction of what is hidden. Rugby eague is just as rotten & corupt as any other sport. The players are indeed treated like piees of meat & any dissenting voices often dismissed as having an agenda. It says it all for me that the RFL has not at any point said it will be investigating the chronic mismanagement of the Bulls. They won't do that vecause Caisley is too embedded in the game, which is why Guilfoyle got the admin gig, & it will expose the farce of licensing which gave the Bulls a B grade licence. Then there's also the complete lack of openness & integrity around how the Bulls were llowed to walk away from huge debts & continue in Super League. Probationary licence? What is one of those? The edifice is crumbling & there are those at Red Hall who have been there so long they are central to the problem. Good luck Bryn. Start fresh & move on.[/p][/quote]What myths are you alluding to? And preconceptions? As a lifelong RL fan, I know exactly what the game is and how it is cash poor compared to others, I’m pretty sure if I ask anyone of the same ilk they will agree, but the visual product is unsurpassed. Can I state, I am treated as a piece of meat by my employer too, I just put my brain on the line not my physical body – so what? They get paid more and in some cases get paid a hell of a lot...... Can I have evidence of the corruption in RL (that’s not your opinion of corruption actual legal take me to court corruption) – who has dissented and been accused of having an agenda? Keith Senior????? Why would the RFL investigate a company? Mismanagement is not illegal – tax evasion is, and it would HMRC who investigate that. The RFL uphold the laws and values of the game they do not police profit making businesses. How is a players agent, Caisley, too embedded in the game? When you get a job, you are put on probation, when you are let out of the nick you are put on probation, call it a good behaviour bond, that is what the Bulls have – be good chaps and you can have a SL license again type thing – the Bulls didn’t walk anyway from debts, you need to understand the difference between the sporting entity and the commercial entity, when you do you’ll understand why the Bulls didn’t walk away from any debts. The RFL have posted £25 million profits – some crumbling edifice that....... Do agree with your last statement[/p][/quote]As if by magic an ostrich appears to prove my point.[/p][/quote]no answers to your false allgations?? Appears you can not back up your statements please enlighten me and other readers or are you just another Troll?[/p][/quote]What false allegations? Are you happy to be treated like a piece of meat? Bryn clearly isn't and has called time. You clearly know nothingabout what goes on behind the scenes in player treatment to get them on the field. Nor the longer term ramifications of such treatment. You need to lern about where Caisley sits in the rugby league hierarchy and what and who he knows. The Bulls last licence applicaton is clearly seriously questionable. As is the financial management which resulted in such a mess being built up, let alone the way in which £400k was procured from the public appea. You really think that the RFL membership rules and SL licence rules allow such behaviour to go unchecked? They don't. However the RFL won't act because t will expose the farce that is the licensing process. The RFL is corupt because t won't act to investigate and ban those responsible at fr the Bulls mess. The RFL was complicit in trying to cover over the mess by buying the lease and not revealing what the real situation was at the Bulls. Unless of corse they were duped again? In which case how are those running the RFL fit and proper, never mind the Bulls shareholders and directors. The sporting entiy and the business entity? They are one and the same. They are not two separate organsations in name or form. Des Johnstone at Barrow received an 8 year ban from involvement in rugby league What should the directors and shareholders of Bradford Bulls Holdings Lts receive for taking a club into such huge debt & subsequent liquidation? The FL asn't ever posted those sort of profits.[/p][/quote]It’s the way of the world in a capitalist free market, we are ALL commodities hence pieces of meat and treated thus – tell me one organisation that doesn’t do that??? I know little of player prep and healing, true, but what I do know is that no one holds a gun to these guys head saying do it, they are paid a very fair wage in return, our soliders put their bodies ion the line for a lot less cash with a lot more serious ramifications... do not make out that RL players are badly treated especially at SL level....... Educate me on Caisley, as far as I know he is a consultant for a law firm and also a player agent – where does that put him in the Hierachy?? Just above a slug if you ask me...... you seem to be alluding to something juicy?? Has CC got pics of Nigel Wood wearing a tutu at a National Socialist party meeting shaking hands with Rob Andrew? Who is responsible for the Bulls mess? Caisley? Hood? Both? More? Neither? Without an in-depth investigation we will never know and no-one will pay the money for an in-depth investigation, so we will never know. As for the RFL being complicit in a cover up, they haven’t done it for just the Bulls you know!! London/Crusaders spring straight to mind, at least the RFL got something as a tangible asset out of the Bulls So when Bradford Bulls Holding Ltd gets liquidated Bradford Bulls RL Club will go too???? I’m pretty sure OK Bulls ltd bought the Bradford Bulls... so not the same organisations....... .. In my view many untold nasties shoudl fall upon the former directors not the 100’s of innocent shareholders. What will happen – naff all unfortunetly Sorry, it wasn’t profit, it was turnover but the point was ever year the turnover at the RL increases as do the profits so more money is ploughed back into the game as the game generates more Steam Pigs
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2:56pm Thu 20 Sep 12

Videoref says...

bullybullman wrote:
BierleyBoy wrote:
There are a lot of preconceptions amongst the games followers about how 'wonderful' rugby league is & a lot of myths peddled about the rugby league family.

Bryn has lifted the corner of the carpet to expose just a fraction of what is hidden. Rugby eague is just as rotten & corupt as any other sport. The players are indeed treated like piees of meat & any dissenting voices often dismissed as having an agenda.

It says it all for me that the RFL has not at any point said it will be investigating the chronic mismanagement of the Bulls. They won't do that vecause Caisley is too embedded in the game, which is why Guilfoyle got the admin gig, & it will expose the farce of licensing which gave the Bulls a B grade licence.

Then there's also the complete lack of openness & integrity around how the Bulls were llowed to walk away from huge debts & continue in Super League. Probationary licence? What is one of those?

The edifice is crumbling & there are those at Red Hall who have been there so long they are central to the problem.

Good luck Bryn. Start fresh & move on.
How have we walked away Omar is paying the debt !
Omar payed £150,000 for the Bulls. Guilfoyle's bill for putting us into administration was £172,000. Guess who gets paid before any creditors?
[quote][p][bold]bullybullman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BierleyBoy[/bold] wrote: There are a lot of preconceptions amongst the games followers about how 'wonderful' rugby league is & a lot of myths peddled about the rugby league family. Bryn has lifted the corner of the carpet to expose just a fraction of what is hidden. Rugby eague is just as rotten & corupt as any other sport. The players are indeed treated like piees of meat & any dissenting voices often dismissed as having an agenda. It says it all for me that the RFL has not at any point said it will be investigating the chronic mismanagement of the Bulls. They won't do that vecause Caisley is too embedded in the game, which is why Guilfoyle got the admin gig, & it will expose the farce of licensing which gave the Bulls a B grade licence. Then there's also the complete lack of openness & integrity around how the Bulls were llowed to walk away from huge debts & continue in Super League. Probationary licence? What is one of those? The edifice is crumbling & there are those at Red Hall who have been there so long they are central to the problem. Good luck Bryn. Start fresh & move on.[/p][/quote]How have we walked away Omar is paying the debt ![/p][/quote]Omar payed £150,000 for the Bulls. Guilfoyle's bill for putting us into administration was £172,000. Guess who gets paid before any creditors? Videoref
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4:46pm Thu 20 Sep 12

bullybullman says...

BierleyBoy wrote:
bullybullman wrote:
BierleyBoy wrote:
There are a lot of preconceptions amongst the games followers about how 'wonderful' rugby league is & a lot of myths peddled about the rugby league family.

Bryn has lifted the corner of the carpet to expose just a fraction of what is hidden. Rugby eague is just as rotten & corupt as any other sport. The players are indeed treated like piees of meat & any dissenting voices often dismissed as having an agenda.

It says it all for me that the RFL has not at any point said it will be investigating the chronic mismanagement of the Bulls. They won't do that vecause Caisley is too embedded in the game, which is why Guilfoyle got the admin gig, & it will expose the farce of licensing which gave the Bulls a B grade licence.

Then there's also the complete lack of openness & integrity around how the Bulls were llowed to walk away from huge debts & continue in Super League. Probationary licence? What is one of those?

The edifice is crumbling & there are those at Red Hall who have been there so long they are central to the problem.

Good luck Bryn. Start fresh & move on.
How have we walked away Omar is paying the debt !
Omar Khan & OK Bulls Ltd are not paying any of the debts of Bradford Bulls Holdings Ltd. Had Omar Khan bought Bradford Bulls Holdings Ltd he ould have assumed responsibility for the debts of that company.

That company has been liquidated & al it's debts went with it. Please feel free to provide any evidence that the new company has taken over debts accrued by the old company.
Please feel free to attend the meeting on Tuesday where OK Bulls if tell you if you ask the question on how they are willing to settle the debt. Also please do go out & get a life.
[quote][p][bold]BierleyBoy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bullybullman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BierleyBoy[/bold] wrote: There are a lot of preconceptions amongst the games followers about how 'wonderful' rugby league is & a lot of myths peddled about the rugby league family. Bryn has lifted the corner of the carpet to expose just a fraction of what is hidden. Rugby eague is just as rotten & corupt as any other sport. The players are indeed treated like piees of meat & any dissenting voices often dismissed as having an agenda. It says it all for me that the RFL has not at any point said it will be investigating the chronic mismanagement of the Bulls. They won't do that vecause Caisley is too embedded in the game, which is why Guilfoyle got the admin gig, & it will expose the farce of licensing which gave the Bulls a B grade licence. Then there's also the complete lack of openness & integrity around how the Bulls were llowed to walk away from huge debts & continue in Super League. Probationary licence? What is one of those? The edifice is crumbling & there are those at Red Hall who have been there so long they are central to the problem. Good luck Bryn. Start fresh & move on.[/p][/quote]How have we walked away Omar is paying the debt ![/p][/quote]Omar Khan & OK Bulls Ltd are not paying any of the debts of Bradford Bulls Holdings Ltd. Had Omar Khan bought Bradford Bulls Holdings Ltd he ould have assumed responsibility for the debts of that company. That company has been liquidated & al it's debts went with it. Please feel free to provide any evidence that the new company has taken over debts accrued by the old company.[/p][/quote]Please feel free to attend the meeting on Tuesday where OK Bulls if tell you if you ask the question on how they are willing to settle the debt. Also please do go out & get a life. bullybullman
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4:49pm Thu 20 Sep 12

raisemeup says...

Videoref wrote:
bullybullman wrote:
BierleyBoy wrote:
There are a lot of preconceptions amongst the games followers about how 'wonderful' rugby league is & a lot of myths peddled about the rugby league family.

Bryn has lifted the corner of the carpet to expose just a fraction of what is hidden. Rugby eague is just as rotten & corupt as any other sport. The players are indeed treated like piees of meat & any dissenting voices often dismissed as having an agenda.

It says it all for me that the RFL has not at any point said it will be investigating the chronic mismanagement of the Bulls. They won't do that vecause Caisley is too embedded in the game, which is why Guilfoyle got the admin gig, & it will expose the farce of licensing which gave the Bulls a B grade licence.

Then there's also the complete lack of openness & integrity around how the Bulls were llowed to walk away from huge debts & continue in Super League. Probationary licence? What is one of those?

The edifice is crumbling & there are those at Red Hall who have been there so long they are central to the problem.

Good luck Bryn. Start fresh & move on.
How have we walked away Omar is paying the debt !
Omar payed £150,000 for the Bulls. Guilfoyle's bill for putting us into administration was £172,000. Guess who gets paid before any creditors?
Not rocket science VR. £150k plus a reported bank balance of £23K. pre the handover.

However the administrator has to be paid as part of his risk in running the club? If he hadn't have sold the Bulls ....no club.and professional Rugby in Bradford no longer in existence..
simple as that!
[quote][p][bold]Videoref[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bullybullman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BierleyBoy[/bold] wrote: There are a lot of preconceptions amongst the games followers about how 'wonderful' rugby league is & a lot of myths peddled about the rugby league family. Bryn has lifted the corner of the carpet to expose just a fraction of what is hidden. Rugby eague is just as rotten & corupt as any other sport. The players are indeed treated like piees of meat & any dissenting voices often dismissed as having an agenda. It says it all for me that the RFL has not at any point said it will be investigating the chronic mismanagement of the Bulls. They won't do that vecause Caisley is too embedded in the game, which is why Guilfoyle got the admin gig, & it will expose the farce of licensing which gave the Bulls a B grade licence. Then there's also the complete lack of openness & integrity around how the Bulls were llowed to walk away from huge debts & continue in Super League. Probationary licence? What is one of those? The edifice is crumbling & there are those at Red Hall who have been there so long they are central to the problem. Good luck Bryn. Start fresh & move on.[/p][/quote]How have we walked away Omar is paying the debt ![/p][/quote]Omar payed £150,000 for the Bulls. Guilfoyle's bill for putting us into administration was £172,000. Guess who gets paid before any creditors?[/p][/quote]Not rocket science VR. £150k plus a reported bank balance of £23K. pre the handover. However the administrator has to be paid as part of his risk in running the club? If he hadn't have sold the Bulls ....no club.and professional Rugby in Bradford no longer in existence.. simple as that! raisemeup
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5:05pm Thu 20 Sep 12

Mumby was the best says...

You would not be telling someone to get a life if it was you who was owed money. I rest my case.
You would not be telling someone to get a life if it was you who was owed money. I rest my case. Mumby was the best
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6:41pm Thu 20 Sep 12

Kellington Bull says...

I would like to wish Bryn all the best for his chosen future, I hope you make a big success of whatever it is. Many thanks for all you have done for the Bulls, you leave with best wishes from all true Bull fans. I'm truly sorry to see you leave.
I would like to wish Bryn all the best for his chosen future, I hope you make a big success of whatever it is. Many thanks for all you have done for the Bulls, you leave with best wishes from all true Bull fans. I'm truly sorry to see you leave. Kellington Bull
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3:32am Fri 21 Sep 12

alfucham says...

bullybullman wrote:
BierleyBoy wrote:
bullybullman wrote:
BierleyBoy wrote: There are a lot of preconceptions amongst the games followers about how 'wonderful' rugby league is & a lot of myths peddled about the rugby league family. Bryn has lifted the corner of the carpet to expose just a fraction of what is hidden. Rugby eague is just as rotten & corupt as any other sport. The players are indeed treated like piees of meat & any dissenting voices often dismissed as having an agenda. It says it all for me that the RFL has not at any point said it will be investigating the chronic mismanagement of the Bulls. They won't do that vecause Caisley is too embedded in the game, which is why Guilfoyle got the admin gig, & it will expose the farce of licensing which gave the Bulls a B grade licence. Then there's also the complete lack of openness & integrity around how the Bulls were llowed to walk away from huge debts & continue in Super League. Probationary licence? What is one of those? The edifice is crumbling & there are those at Red Hall who have been there so long they are central to the problem. Good luck Bryn. Start fresh & move on.
How have we walked away Omar is paying the debt !
Omar Khan & OK Bulls Ltd are not paying any of the debts of Bradford Bulls Holdings Ltd. Had Omar Khan bought Bradford Bulls Holdings Ltd he ould have assumed responsibility for the debts of that company. That company has been liquidated & al it's debts went with it. Please feel free to provide any evidence that the new company has taken over debts accrued by the old company.
Please feel free to attend the meeting on Tuesday where OK Bulls if tell you if you ask the question on how they are willing to settle the debt. Also please do go out & get a life.
BB are you seriously in the know that OK is prepared to meet the creditors of BBH Ltd at £1.3m

If he was (even over ten years,and remember he has 3 to pay the administratyer100k for purchase)he would be OK god in my eyes.

And then there could really be no justification for witholding £1.3 million of future sky payments from the Bulls over the next 2 years.

Wheres the tuesday meeting?
[quote][p][bold]bullybullman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BierleyBoy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bullybullman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BierleyBoy[/bold] wrote: There are a lot of preconceptions amongst the games followers about how 'wonderful' rugby league is & a lot of myths peddled about the rugby league family. Bryn has lifted the corner of the carpet to expose just a fraction of what is hidden. Rugby eague is just as rotten & corupt as any other sport. The players are indeed treated like piees of meat & any dissenting voices often dismissed as having an agenda. It says it all for me that the RFL has not at any point said it will be investigating the chronic mismanagement of the Bulls. They won't do that vecause Caisley is too embedded in the game, which is why Guilfoyle got the admin gig, & it will expose the farce of licensing which gave the Bulls a B grade licence. Then there's also the complete lack of openness & integrity around how the Bulls were llowed to walk away from huge debts & continue in Super League. Probationary licence? What is one of those? The edifice is crumbling & there are those at Red Hall who have been there so long they are central to the problem. Good luck Bryn. Start fresh & move on.[/p][/quote]How have we walked away Omar is paying the debt ![/p][/quote]Omar Khan & OK Bulls Ltd are not paying any of the debts of Bradford Bulls Holdings Ltd. Had Omar Khan bought Bradford Bulls Holdings Ltd he ould have assumed responsibility for the debts of that company. That company has been liquidated & al it's debts went with it. Please feel free to provide any evidence that the new company has taken over debts accrued by the old company.[/p][/quote]Please feel free to attend the meeting on Tuesday where OK Bulls if tell you if you ask the question on how they are willing to settle the debt. Also please do go out & get a life.[/p][/quote]BB are you seriously in the know that OK is prepared to meet the creditors of BBH Ltd at £1.3m If he was (even over ten years,and remember he has 3 to pay the administratyer100k for purchase)he would be OK god in my eyes. And then there could really be no justification for witholding £1.3 million of future sky payments from the Bulls over the next 2 years. Wheres the tuesday meeting? alfucham
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6:32am Fri 21 Sep 12

Mumby was the best says...

Coral stand so I will be along with viking in spirit, sheff, and fake mumby to air our views.
Coral stand so I will be along with viking in spirit, sheff, and fake mumby to air our views. Mumby was the best
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7:22am Fri 21 Sep 12

oddshapedballs says...

Even without the idiot rhino and city fans on here the posts become tedious with one fan trying to outbid their knowledge of all things Bull with other posters.

ITS PATHETIC!!

The majority of the people that seem to think they are mightier than thou turn out to be wrong in the end!!
Even without the idiot rhino and city fans on here the posts become tedious with one fan trying to outbid their knowledge of all things Bull with other posters. ITS PATHETIC!! The majority of the people that seem to think they are mightier than thou turn out to be wrong in the end!! oddshapedballs
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9:11am Fri 21 Sep 12

Mumby was the best says...

There is you cue sheffieldbull.
There is you cue sheffieldbull. Mumby was the best
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1:27pm Sat 22 Sep 12

BierleyBoy says...

Steam Pigs wrote:
BierleyBoy wrote:
Steam Pigs wrote:
BierleyBoy wrote:
Steam Pigs wrote:
BierleyBoy wrote:
There are a lot of preconceptions amongst the games followers about how 'wonderful' rugby league is & a lot of myths peddled about the rugby league family.

Bryn has lifted the corner of the carpet to expose just a fraction of what is hidden. Rugby eague is just as rotten & corupt as any other sport. The players are indeed treated like piees of meat & any dissenting voices often dismissed as having an agenda.

It says it all for me that the RFL has not at any point said it will be investigating the chronic mismanagement of the Bulls. They won't do that vecause Caisley is too embedded in the game, which is why Guilfoyle got the admin gig, & it will expose the farce of licensing which gave the Bulls a B grade licence.

Then there's also the complete lack of openness & integrity around how the Bulls were llowed to walk away from huge debts & continue in Super League. Probationary licence? What is one of those?

The edifice is crumbling & there are those at Red Hall who have been there so long they are central to the problem.

Good luck Bryn. Start fresh & move on.
What myths are you alluding to? And preconceptions? As a lifelong RL fan, I know exactly what the game is and how it is cash poor compared to others, I’m pretty sure if I ask anyone of the same ilk they will agree, but the visual product is unsurpassed.

Can I state, I am treated as a piece of meat by my employer too, I just put my brain on the line not my physical body – so what? They get paid more and in some cases get paid a hell of a lot...... Can I have evidence of the corruption in RL (that’s not your opinion of corruption actual legal take me to court corruption) – who has dissented and been accused of having an agenda? Keith Senior?????

Why would the RFL investigate a company? Mismanagement is not illegal – tax evasion is, and it would HMRC who investigate that. The RFL uphold the laws and values of the game they do not police profit making businesses. How is a players agent, Caisley, too embedded in the game?

When you get a job, you are put on probation, when you are let out of the nick you are put on probation, call it a good behaviour bond, that is what the Bulls have – be good chaps and you can have a SL license again type thing – the Bulls didn’t walk anyway from debts, you need to understand the difference between the sporting entity and the commercial entity, when you do you’ll understand why the Bulls didn’t walk away from any debts.

The RFL have posted £25 million profits – some crumbling edifice that.......

Do agree with your last statement
As if by magic an ostrich appears to prove my point.
no answers to your false allgations??

Appears you can not back up your statements

please enlighten me and other readers
or are you just another Troll?
What false allegations?

Are you happy to be treated like a piece of meat? Bryn clearly isn't and has called time. You clearly know nothingabout what goes on behind the scenes in player treatment to get them on the field. Nor the longer term ramifications of such treatment.

You need to lern about where Caisley sits in the rugby league hierarchy and what and who he knows.

The Bulls last licence applicaton is clearly seriously questionable. As is the financial management which resulted in such a mess being built up, let alone the way in which £400k was procured from the public appea.

You really think that the RFL membership rules and SL licence rules allow such behaviour to go unchecked? They don't. However the RFL won't act because t will expose the farce that is the licensing process.

The RFL is corupt because t won't act to investigate and ban those responsible at fr the Bulls mess. The RFL was complicit in trying to cover over the mess by buying the lease and not revealing what the real situation was at the Bulls. Unless of corse they were duped again? In which case how are those running the RFL fit and proper, never mind the Bulls shareholders and directors.

The sporting entiy and the business entity? They are one and the same. They are not two separate organsations in name or form.

Des Johnstone at Barrow received an 8 year ban from involvement in rugby league

What should the directors and shareholders of Bradford Bulls Holdings Lts receive for taking a club into such huge debt & subsequent liquidation?

The FL asn't ever posted those sort of profits.
It’s the way of the world in a capitalist free market, we are ALL commodities hence pieces of meat and treated thus – tell me one organisation that doesn’t do that???
I know little of player prep and healing, true, but what I do know is that no one holds a gun to these guys head saying do it, they are paid a very fair wage in return, our soliders put their bodies ion the line for a lot less cash with a lot more serious ramifications... do not make out that RL players are badly treated especially at SL level.......

Educate me on Caisley, as far as I know he is a consultant for a law firm and also a player agent – where does that put him in the Hierachy?? Just above a slug if you ask me...... you seem to be alluding to something juicy?? Has CC got pics of Nigel Wood wearing a tutu at a National Socialist party meeting shaking hands with Rob Andrew?

Who is responsible for the Bulls mess? Caisley? Hood? Both? More? Neither? Without an in-depth investigation we will never know and no-one will pay the money for an in-depth investigation, so we will never know. As for the RFL being complicit in a cover up, they haven’t done it for just the Bulls you know!! London/Crusaders spring straight to mind, at least the RFL got something as a tangible asset out of the Bulls

So when Bradford Bulls Holding Ltd gets liquidated Bradford Bulls RL Club will go too???? I’m pretty sure OK Bulls ltd bought the Bradford Bulls... so not the same organisations.......

..

In my view many untold nasties shoudl fall upon the former directors not the 100’s of innocent shareholders. What will happen – naff all unfortunetly

Sorry, it wasn’t profit, it was turnover but the point was ever year the turnover at the RL increases as do the profits so more money is ploughed back into the game as the game generates more
God grief you are clearly uterly clueless..
OK Bulls bought the remaining assets & goodwill of Bradford Bulls Holdings Ltd. There is no such corporate entity as Bradford Bulls RL Club.

You are aware that the shareholder and directors were guarantors for the bank overdraft. That's why the appeal was made, so the overdraft could be paid off to get them of the financial hook.

As soon as they were personally free they let the club go into admin and rode off into the distance. Why do you think the main shareholder, Caisley, remained totally silent throughout the whole process?

The finger pointing at Hood was a ruse to take the spotlight off Caisley.

You do know that Caisley was at the top of SL with Lindsay don't you, as well as being Bulls chairman?

Caisley won't be touched by the RFL because he knows were the bodies are buried.

In my opinion that appeal money was taken under false pretences. It was said it was being done to save the club, wen in reality it was done to protect the directors and shareholders.

Rugby league is a totally corrupt sport and what has gone on at the Bulls exemplifies that.

You would be surprised at some of the treatments and risks taken with player health to get them out on the field. Metaphorically speaking, guns are held to heads to get players on the feld.

Bryn is better off out of it. Good luck to him in whatever he chooses to do.
[quote][p][bold]Steam Pigs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BierleyBoy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Steam Pigs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BierleyBoy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Steam Pigs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BierleyBoy[/bold] wrote: There are a lot of preconceptions amongst the games followers about how 'wonderful' rugby league is & a lot of myths peddled about the rugby league family. Bryn has lifted the corner of the carpet to expose just a fraction of what is hidden. Rugby eague is just as rotten & corupt as any other sport. The players are indeed treated like piees of meat & any dissenting voices often dismissed as having an agenda. It says it all for me that the RFL has not at any point said it will be investigating the chronic mismanagement of the Bulls. They won't do that vecause Caisley is too embedded in the game, which is why Guilfoyle got the admin gig, & it will expose the farce of licensing which gave the Bulls a B grade licence. Then there's also the complete lack of openness & integrity around how the Bulls were llowed to walk away from huge debts & continue in Super League. Probationary licence? What is one of those? The edifice is crumbling & there are those at Red Hall who have been there so long they are central to the problem. Good luck Bryn. Start fresh & move on.[/p][/quote]What myths are you alluding to? And preconceptions? As a lifelong RL fan, I know exactly what the game is and how it is cash poor compared to others, I’m pretty sure if I ask anyone of the same ilk they will agree, but the visual product is unsurpassed. Can I state, I am treated as a piece of meat by my employer too, I just put my brain on the line not my physical body – so what? They get paid more and in some cases get paid a hell of a lot...... Can I have evidence of the corruption in RL (that’s not your opinion of corruption actual legal take me to court corruption) – who has dissented and been accused of having an agenda? Keith Senior????? Why would the RFL investigate a company? Mismanagement is not illegal – tax evasion is, and it would HMRC who investigate that. The RFL uphold the laws and values of the game they do not police profit making businesses. How is a players agent, Caisley, too embedded in the game? When you get a job, you are put on probation, when you are let out of the nick you are put on probation, call it a good behaviour bond, that is what the Bulls have – be good chaps and you can have a SL license again type thing – the Bulls didn’t walk anyway from debts, you need to understand the difference between the sporting entity and the commercial entity, when you do you’ll understand why the Bulls didn’t walk away from any debts. The RFL have posted £25 million profits – some crumbling edifice that....... Do agree with your last statement[/p][/quote]As if by magic an ostrich appears to prove my point.[/p][/quote]no answers to your false allgations?? Appears you can not back up your statements please enlighten me and other readers or are you just another Troll?[/p][/quote]What false allegations? Are you happy to be treated like a piece of meat? Bryn clearly isn't and has called time. You clearly know nothingabout what goes on behind the scenes in player treatment to get them on the field. Nor the longer term ramifications of such treatment. You need to lern about where Caisley sits in the rugby league hierarchy and what and who he knows. The Bulls last licence applicaton is clearly seriously questionable. As is the financial management which resulted in such a mess being built up, let alone the way in which £400k was procured from the public appea. You really think that the RFL membership rules and SL licence rules allow such behaviour to go unchecked? They don't. However the RFL won't act because t will expose the farce that is the licensing process. The RFL is corupt because t won't act to investigate and ban those responsible at fr the Bulls mess. The RFL was complicit in trying to cover over the mess by buying the lease and not revealing what the real situation was at the Bulls. Unless of corse they were duped again? In which case how are those running the RFL fit and proper, never mind the Bulls shareholders and directors. The sporting entiy and the business entity? They are one and the same. They are not two separate organsations in name or form. Des Johnstone at Barrow received an 8 year ban from involvement in rugby league What should the directors and shareholders of Bradford Bulls Holdings Lts receive for taking a club into such huge debt & subsequent liquidation? The FL asn't ever posted those sort of profits.[/p][/quote]It’s the way of the world in a capitalist free market, we are ALL commodities hence pieces of meat and treated thus – tell me one organisation that doesn’t do that??? I know little of player prep and healing, true, but what I do know is that no one holds a gun to these guys head saying do it, they are paid a very fair wage in return, our soliders put their bodies ion the line for a lot less cash with a lot more serious ramifications... do not make out that RL players are badly treated especially at SL level....... Educate me on Caisley, as far as I know he is a consultant for a law firm and also a player agent – where does that put him in the Hierachy?? Just above a slug if you ask me...... you seem to be alluding to something juicy?? Has CC got pics of Nigel Wood wearing a tutu at a National Socialist party meeting shaking hands with Rob Andrew? Who is responsible for the Bulls mess? Caisley? Hood? Both? More? Neither? Without an in-depth investigation we will never know and no-one will pay the money for an in-depth investigation, so we will never know. As for the RFL being complicit in a cover up, they haven’t done it for just the Bulls you know!! London/Crusaders spring straight to mind, at least the RFL got something as a tangible asset out of the Bulls So when Bradford Bulls Holding Ltd gets liquidated Bradford Bulls RL Club will go too???? I’m pretty sure OK Bulls ltd bought the Bradford Bulls... so not the same organisations....... .. In my view many untold nasties shoudl fall upon the former directors not the 100’s of innocent shareholders. What will happen – naff all unfortunetly Sorry, it wasn’t profit, it was turnover but the point was ever year the turnover at the RL increases as do the profits so more money is ploughed back into the game as the game generates more[/p][/quote]God grief you are clearly uterly clueless.. OK Bulls bought the remaining assets & goodwill of Bradford Bulls Holdings Ltd. There is no such corporate entity as Bradford Bulls RL Club. You are aware that the shareholder and directors were guarantors for the bank overdraft. That's why the appeal was made, so the overdraft could be paid off to get them of the financial hook. As soon as they were personally free they let the club go into admin and rode off into the distance. Why do you think the main shareholder, Caisley, remained totally silent throughout the whole process? The finger pointing at Hood was a ruse to take the spotlight off Caisley. You do know that Caisley was at the top of SL with Lindsay don't you, as well as being Bulls chairman? Caisley won't be touched by the RFL because he knows were the bodies are buried. In my opinion that appeal money was taken under false pretences. It was said it was being done to save the club, wen in reality it was done to protect the directors and shareholders. Rugby league is a totally corrupt sport and what has gone on at the Bulls exemplifies that. You would be surprised at some of the treatments and risks taken with player health to get them out on the field. Metaphorically speaking, guns are held to heads to get players on the feld. Bryn is better off out of it. Good luck to him in whatever he chooses to do. BierleyBoy
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7:37pm Sun 23 Sep 12

alfucham says...

BierleyBoy wrote:
Steam Pigs wrote:
BierleyBoy wrote:
Steam Pigs wrote:
BierleyBoy wrote:
Steam Pigs wrote:
BierleyBoy wrote: There are a lot of preconceptions amongst the games followers about how 'wonderful' rugby league is & a lot of myths peddled about the rugby league family. Bryn has lifted the corner of the carpet to expose just a fraction of what is hidden. Rugby eague is just as rotten & corupt as any other sport. The players are indeed treated like piees of meat & any dissenting voices often dismissed as having an agenda. It says it all for me that the RFL has not at any point said it will be investigating the chronic mismanagement of the Bulls. They won't do that vecause Caisley is too embedded in the game, which is why Guilfoyle got the admin gig, & it will expose the farce of licensing which gave the Bulls a B grade licence. Then there's also the complete lack of openness & integrity around how the Bulls were llowed to walk away from huge debts & continue in Super League. Probationary licence? What is one of those? The edifice is crumbling & there are those at Red Hall who have been there so long they are central to the problem. Good luck Bryn. Start fresh & move on.
What myths are you alluding to? And preconceptions? As a lifelong RL fan, I know exactly what the game is and how it is cash poor compared to others, I’m pretty sure if I ask anyone of the same ilk they will agree, but the visual product is unsurpassed. Can I state, I am treated as a piece of meat by my employer too, I just put my brain on the line not my physical body – so what? They get paid more and in some cases get paid a hell of a lot...... Can I have evidence of the corruption in RL (that’s not your opinion of corruption actual legal take me to court corruption) – who has dissented and been accused of having an agenda? Keith Senior????? Why would the RFL investigate a company? Mismanagement is not illegal – tax evasion is, and it would HMRC who investigate that. The RFL uphold the laws and values of the game they do not police profit making businesses. How is a players agent, Caisley, too embedded in the game? When you get a job, you are put on probation, when you are let out of the nick you are put on probation, call it a good behaviour bond, that is what the Bulls have – be good chaps and you can have a SL license again type thing – the Bulls didn’t walk anyway from debts, you need to understand the difference between the sporting entity and the commercial entity, when you do you’ll understand why the Bulls didn’t walk away from any debts. The RFL have posted £25 million profits – some crumbling edifice that....... Do agree with your last statement
As if by magic an ostrich appears to prove my point.
no answers to your false allgations?? Appears you can not back up your statements please enlighten me and other readers or are you just another Troll?
What false allegations? Are you happy to be treated like a piece of meat? Bryn clearly isn't and has called time. You clearly know nothingabout what goes on behind the scenes in player treatment to get them on the field. Nor the longer term ramifications of such treatment. You need to lern about where Caisley sits in the rugby league hierarchy and what and who he knows. The Bulls last licence applicaton is clearly seriously questionable. As is the financial management which resulted in such a mess being built up, let alone the way in which £400k was procured from the public appea. You really think that the RFL membership rules and SL licence rules allow such behaviour to go unchecked? They don't. However the RFL won't act because t will expose the farce that is the licensing process. The RFL is corupt because t won't act to investigate and ban those responsible at fr the Bulls mess. The RFL was complicit in trying to cover over the mess by buying the lease and not revealing what the real situation was at the Bulls. Unless of corse they were duped again? In which case how are those running the RFL fit and proper, never mind the Bulls shareholders and directors. The sporting entiy and the business entity? They are one and the same. They are not two separate organsations in name or form. Des Johnstone at Barrow received an 8 year ban from involvement in rugby league What should the directors and shareholders of Bradford Bulls Holdings Lts receive for taking a club into such huge debt & subsequent liquidation? The FL asn't ever posted those sort of profits.
It’s the way of the world in a capitalist free market, we are ALL commodities hence pieces of meat and treated thus – tell me one organisation that doesn’t do that??? I know little of player prep and healing, true, but what I do know is that no one holds a gun to these guys head saying do it, they are paid a very fair wage in return, our soliders put their bodies ion the line for a lot less cash with a lot more serious ramifications... do not make out that RL players are badly treated especially at SL level....... Educate me on Caisley, as far as I know he is a consultant for a law firm and also a player agent – where does that put him in the Hierachy?? Just above a slug if you ask me...... you seem to be alluding to something juicy?? Has CC got pics of Nigel Wood wearing a tutu at a National Socialist party meeting shaking hands with Rob Andrew? Who is responsible for the Bulls mess? Caisley? Hood? Both? More? Neither? Without an in-depth investigation we will never know and no-one will pay the money for an in-depth investigation, so we will never know. As for the RFL being complicit in a cover up, they haven’t done it for just the Bulls you know!! London/Crusaders spring straight to mind, at least the RFL got something as a tangible asset out of the Bulls So when Bradford Bulls Holding Ltd gets liquidated Bradford Bulls RL Club will go too???? I’m pretty sure OK Bulls ltd bought the Bradford Bulls... so not the same organisations....... .. In my view many untold nasties shoudl fall upon the former directors not the 100’s of innocent shareholders. What will happen – naff all unfortunetly Sorry, it wasn’t profit, it was turnover but the point was ever year the turnover at the RL increases as do the profits so more money is ploughed back into the game as the game generates more
God grief you are clearly uterly clueless.. OK Bulls bought the remaining assets & goodwill of Bradford Bulls Holdings Ltd. There is no such corporate entity as Bradford Bulls RL Club. You are aware that the shareholder and directors were guarantors for the bank overdraft. That's why the appeal was made, so the overdraft could be paid off to get them of the financial hook. As soon as they were personally free they let the club go into admin and rode off into the distance. Why do you think the main shareholder, Caisley, remained totally silent throughout the whole process? The finger pointing at Hood was a ruse to take the spotlight off Caisley. You do know that Caisley was at the top of SL with Lindsay don't you, as well as being Bulls chairman? Caisley won't be touched by the RFL because he knows were the bodies are buried. In my opinion that appeal money was taken under false pretences. It was said it was being done to save the club, wen in reality it was done to protect the directors and shareholders. Rugby league is a totally corrupt sport and what has gone on at the Bulls exemplifies that. You would be surprised at some of the treatments and risks taken with player health to get them out on the field. Metaphorically speaking, guns are held to heads to get players on the feld. Bryn is better off out of it. Good luck to him in whatever he chooses to do.
I strongly agree with the suspicions cited.

The administrater will be looking into that.

The whole chapter has been stage managed to bring about a solution that ensures
1.The Bulls finish the season
2They are saved
3The bank are repaid and the directors personal rersponsibilities to the bank are removed
4.The creditors get jack all.
5The Bulls stay in SL as they cannot do without them

One has to ask where would the Bulls and directors have been in 2011 without the RFL pumping in £750000 only to snatch it back when it was clear the Bulls were insolvent by taking on the long lease of the land.
The Bulls only proper realisable asset in insolvency.

Yes the Bulls were insolvent a lot longer than the end of March 2012 and the RFL have been complicit in ensuring

1.The Bulls remain in the competition and survive
2The creditors are stuffed
[quote][p][bold]BierleyBoy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Steam Pigs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BierleyBoy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Steam Pigs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BierleyBoy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Steam Pigs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BierleyBoy[/bold] wrote: There are a lot of preconceptions amongst the games followers about how 'wonderful' rugby league is & a lot of myths peddled about the rugby league family. Bryn has lifted the corner of the carpet to expose just a fraction of what is hidden. Rugby eague is just as rotten & corupt as any other sport. The players are indeed treated like piees of meat & any dissenting voices often dismissed as having an agenda. It says it all for me that the RFL has not at any point said it will be investigating the chronic mismanagement of the Bulls. They won't do that vecause Caisley is too embedded in the game, which is why Guilfoyle got the admin gig, & it will expose the farce of licensing which gave the Bulls a B grade licence. Then there's also the complete lack of openness & integrity around how the Bulls were llowed to walk away from huge debts & continue in Super League. Probationary licence? What is one of those? The edifice is crumbling & there are those at Red Hall who have been there so long they are central to the problem. Good luck Bryn. Start fresh & move on.[/p][/quote]What myths are you alluding to? And preconceptions? As a lifelong RL fan, I know exactly what the game is and how it is cash poor compared to others, I’m pretty sure if I ask anyone of the same ilk they will agree, but the visual product is unsurpassed. Can I state, I am treated as a piece of meat by my employer too, I just put my brain on the line not my physical body – so what? They get paid more and in some cases get paid a hell of a lot...... Can I have evidence of the corruption in RL (that’s not your opinion of corruption actual legal take me to court corruption) – who has dissented and been accused of having an agenda? Keith Senior????? Why would the RFL investigate a company? Mismanagement is not illegal – tax evasion is, and it would HMRC who investigate that. The RFL uphold the laws and values of the game they do not police profit making businesses. How is a players agent, Caisley, too embedded in the game? When you get a job, you are put on probation, when you are let out of the nick you are put on probation, call it a good behaviour bond, that is what the Bulls have – be good chaps and you can have a SL license again type thing – the Bulls didn’t walk anyway from debts, you need to understand the difference between the sporting entity and the commercial entity, when you do you’ll understand why the Bulls didn’t walk away from any debts. The RFL have posted £25 million profits – some crumbling edifice that....... Do agree with your last statement[/p][/quote]As if by magic an ostrich appears to prove my point.[/p][/quote]no answers to your false allgations?? Appears you can not back up your statements please enlighten me and other readers or are you just another Troll?[/p][/quote]What false allegations? Are you happy to be treated like a piece of meat? Bryn clearly isn't and has called time. You clearly know nothingabout what goes on behind the scenes in player treatment to get them on the field. Nor the longer term ramifications of such treatment. You need to lern about where Caisley sits in the rugby league hierarchy and what and who he knows. The Bulls last licence applicaton is clearly seriously questionable. As is the financial management which resulted in such a mess being built up, let alone the way in which £400k was procured from the public appea. You really think that the RFL membership rules and SL licence rules allow such behaviour to go unchecked? They don't. However the RFL won't act because t will expose the farce that is the licensing process. The RFL is corupt because t won't act to investigate and ban those responsible at fr the Bulls mess. The RFL was complicit in trying to cover over the mess by buying the lease and not revealing what the real situation was at the Bulls. Unless of corse they were duped again? In which case how are those running the RFL fit and proper, never mind the Bulls shareholders and directors. The sporting entiy and the business entity? They are one and the same. They are not two separate organsations in name or form. Des Johnstone at Barrow received an 8 year ban from involvement in rugby league What should the directors and shareholders of Bradford Bulls Holdings Lts receive for taking a club into such huge debt & subsequent liquidation? The FL asn't ever posted those sort of profits.[/p][/quote]It’s the way of the world in a capitalist free market, we are ALL commodities hence pieces of meat and treated thus – tell me one organisation that doesn’t do that??? I know little of player prep and healing, true, but what I do know is that no one holds a gun to these guys head saying do it, they are paid a very fair wage in return, our soliders put their bodies ion the line for a lot less cash with a lot more serious ramifications... do not make out that RL players are badly treated especially at SL level....... Educate me on Caisley, as far as I know he is a consultant for a law firm and also a player agent – where does that put him in the Hierachy?? Just above a slug if you ask me...... you seem to be alluding to something juicy?? Has CC got pics of Nigel Wood wearing a tutu at a National Socialist party meeting shaking hands with Rob Andrew? Who is responsible for the Bulls mess? Caisley? Hood? Both? More? Neither? Without an in-depth investigation we will never know and no-one will pay the money for an in-depth investigation, so we will never know. As for the RFL being complicit in a cover up, they haven’t done it for just the Bulls you know!! London/Crusaders spring straight to mind, at least the RFL got something as a tangible asset out of the Bulls So when Bradford Bulls Holding Ltd gets liquidated Bradford Bulls RL Club will go too???? I’m pretty sure OK Bulls ltd bought the Bradford Bulls... so not the same organisations....... .. In my view many untold nasties shoudl fall upon the former directors not the 100’s of innocent shareholders. What will happen – naff all unfortunetly Sorry, it wasn’t profit, it was turnover but the point was ever year the turnover at the RL increases as do the profits so more money is ploughed back into the game as the game generates more[/p][/quote]God grief you are clearly uterly clueless.. OK Bulls bought the remaining assets & goodwill of Bradford Bulls Holdings Ltd. There is no such corporate entity as Bradford Bulls RL Club. You are aware that the shareholder and directors were guarantors for the bank overdraft. That's why the appeal was made, so the overdraft could be paid off to get them of the financial hook. As soon as they were personally free they let the club go into admin and rode off into the distance. Why do you think the main shareholder, Caisley, remained totally silent throughout the whole process? The finger pointing at Hood was a ruse to take the spotlight off Caisley. You do know that Caisley was at the top of SL with Lindsay don't you, as well as being Bulls chairman? Caisley won't be touched by the RFL because he knows were the bodies are buried. In my opinion that appeal money was taken under false pretences. It was said it was being done to save the club, wen in reality it was done to protect the directors and shareholders. Rugby league is a totally corrupt sport and what has gone on at the Bulls exemplifies that. You would be surprised at some of the treatments and risks taken with player health to get them out on the field. Metaphorically speaking, guns are held to heads to get players on the feld. Bryn is better off out of it. Good luck to him in whatever he chooses to do.[/p][/quote]I strongly agree with the suspicions cited. The administrater will be looking into that. The whole chapter has been stage managed to bring about a solution that ensures 1.The Bulls finish the season 2They are saved 3The bank are repaid and the directors personal rersponsibilities to the bank are removed 4.The creditors get jack all. 5The Bulls stay in SL as they cannot do without them One has to ask where would the Bulls and directors have been in 2011 without the RFL pumping in £750000 only to snatch it back when it was clear the Bulls were insolvent by taking on the long lease of the land. The Bulls only proper realisable asset in insolvency. Yes the Bulls were insolvent a lot longer than the end of March 2012 and the RFL have been complicit in ensuring 1.The Bulls remain in the competition and survive 2The creditors are stuffed alfucham
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4:58pm Mon 24 Sep 12

BierleyBoy says...

alfucham wrote:
BierleyBoy wrote:
Steam Pigs wrote:
BierleyBoy wrote:
Steam Pigs wrote:
BierleyBoy wrote:
Steam Pigs wrote:
BierleyBoy wrote: There are a lot of preconceptions amongst the games followers about how 'wonderful' rugby league is & a lot of myths peddled about the rugby league family. Bryn has lifted the corner of the carpet to expose just a fraction of what is hidden. Rugby eague is just as rotten & corupt as any other sport. The players are indeed treated like piees of meat & any dissenting voices often dismissed as having an agenda. It says it all for me that the RFL has not at any point said it will be investigating the chronic mismanagement of the Bulls. They won't do that vecause Caisley is too embedded in the game, which is why Guilfoyle got the admin gig, & it will expose the farce of licensing which gave the Bulls a B grade licence. Then there's also the complete lack of openness & integrity around how the Bulls were llowed to walk away from huge debts & continue in Super League. Probationary licence? What is one of those? The edifice is crumbling & there are those at Red Hall who have been there so long they are central to the problem. Good luck Bryn. Start fresh & move on.
What myths are you alluding to? And preconceptions? As a lifelong RL fan, I know exactly what the game is and how it is cash poor compared to others, I’m pretty sure if I ask anyone of the same ilk they will agree, but the visual product is unsurpassed. Can I state, I am treated as a piece of meat by my employer too, I just put my brain on the line not my physical body – so what? They get paid more and in some cases get paid a hell of a lot...... Can I have evidence of the corruption in RL (that’s not your opinion of corruption actual legal take me to court corruption) – who has dissented and been accused of having an agenda? Keith Senior????? Why would the RFL investigate a company? Mismanagement is not illegal – tax evasion is, and it would HMRC who investigate that. The RFL uphold the laws and values of the game they do not police profit making businesses. How is a players agent, Caisley, too embedded in the game? When you get a job, you are put on probation, when you are let out of the nick you are put on probation, call it a good behaviour bond, that is what the Bulls have – be good chaps and you can have a SL license again type thing – the Bulls didn’t walk anyway from debts, you need to understand the difference between the sporting entity and the commercial entity, when you do you’ll understand why the Bulls didn’t walk away from any debts. The RFL have posted £25 million profits – some crumbling edifice that....... Do agree with your last statement
As if by magic an ostrich appears to prove my point.
no answers to your false allgations?? Appears you can not back up your statements please enlighten me and other readers or are you just another Troll?
What false allegations? Are you happy to be treated like a piece of meat? Bryn clearly isn't and has called time. You clearly know nothingabout what goes on behind the scenes in player treatment to get them on the field. Nor the longer term ramifications of such treatment. You need to lern about where Caisley sits in the rugby league hierarchy and what and who he knows. The Bulls last licence applicaton is clearly seriously questionable. As is the financial management which resulted in such a mess being built up, let alone the way in which £400k was procured from the public appea. You really think that the RFL membership rules and SL licence rules allow such behaviour to go unchecked? They don't. However the RFL won't act because t will expose the farce that is the licensing process. The RFL is corupt because t won't act to investigate and ban those responsible at fr the Bulls mess. The RFL was complicit in trying to cover over the mess by buying the lease and not revealing what the real situation was at the Bulls. Unless of corse they were duped again? In which case how are those running the RFL fit and proper, never mind the Bulls shareholders and directors. The sporting entiy and the business entity? They are one and the same. They are not two separate organsations in name or form. Des Johnstone at Barrow received an 8 year ban from involvement in rugby league What should the directors and shareholders of Bradford Bulls Holdings Lts receive for taking a club into such huge debt & subsequent liquidation? The FL asn't ever posted those sort of profits.
It’s the way of the world in a capitalist free market, we are ALL commodities hence pieces of meat and treated thus – tell me one organisation that doesn’t do that??? I know little of player prep and healing, true, but what I do know is that no one holds a gun to these guys head saying do it, they are paid a very fair wage in return, our soliders put their bodies ion the line for a lot less cash with a lot more serious ramifications... do not make out that RL players are badly treated especially at SL level....... Educate me on Caisley, as far as I know he is a consultant for a law firm and also a player agent – where does that put him in the Hierachy?? Just above a slug if you ask me...... you seem to be alluding to something juicy?? Has CC got pics of Nigel Wood wearing a tutu at a National Socialist party meeting shaking hands with Rob Andrew? Who is responsible for the Bulls mess? Caisley? Hood? Both? More? Neither? Without an in-depth investigation we will never know and no-one will pay the money for an in-depth investigation, so we will never know. As for the RFL being complicit in a cover up, they haven’t done it for just the Bulls you know!! London/Crusaders spring straight to mind, at least the RFL got something as a tangible asset out of the Bulls So when Bradford Bulls Holding Ltd gets liquidated Bradford Bulls RL Club will go too???? I’m pretty sure OK Bulls ltd bought the Bradford Bulls... so not the same organisations....... .. In my view many untold nasties shoudl fall upon the former directors not the 100’s of innocent shareholders. What will happen – naff all unfortunetly Sorry, it wasn’t profit, it was turnover but the point was ever year the turnover at the RL increases as do the profits so more money is ploughed back into the game as the game generates more
God grief you are clearly uterly clueless.. OK Bulls bought the remaining assets & goodwill of Bradford Bulls Holdings Ltd. There is no such corporate entity as Bradford Bulls RL Club. You are aware that the shareholder and directors were guarantors for the bank overdraft. That's why the appeal was made, so the overdraft could be paid off to get them of the financial hook. As soon as they were personally free they let the club go into admin and rode off into the distance. Why do you think the main shareholder, Caisley, remained totally silent throughout the whole process? The finger pointing at Hood was a ruse to take the spotlight off Caisley. You do know that Caisley was at the top of SL with Lindsay don't you, as well as being Bulls chairman? Caisley won't be touched by the RFL because he knows were the bodies are buried. In my opinion that appeal money was taken under false pretences. It was said it was being done to save the club, wen in reality it was done to protect the directors and shareholders. Rugby league is a totally corrupt sport and what has gone on at the Bulls exemplifies that. You would be surprised at some of the treatments and risks taken with player health to get them out on the field. Metaphorically speaking, guns are held to heads to get players on the feld. Bryn is better off out of it. Good luck to him in whatever he chooses to do.
I strongly agree with the suspicions cited.

The administrater will be looking into that.

The whole chapter has been stage managed to bring about a solution that ensures
1.The Bulls finish the season
2They are saved
3The bank are repaid and the directors personal rersponsibilities to the bank are removed
4.The creditors get jack all.
5The Bulls stay in SL as they cannot do without them

One has to ask where would the Bulls and directors have been in 2011 without the RFL pumping in £750000 only to snatch it back when it was clear the Bulls were insolvent by taking on the long lease of the land.
The Bulls only proper realisable asset in insolvency.

Yes the Bulls were insolvent a lot longer than the end of March 2012 and the RFL have been complicit in ensuring

1.The Bulls remain in the competition and survive
2The creditors are stuffed
The administrato won't look into anything. Guilfoyle was appointed administrator by his friend and close business associate Chris Caisley.
[quote][p][bold]alfucham[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BierleyBoy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Steam Pigs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BierleyBoy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Steam Pigs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BierleyBoy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Steam Pigs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BierleyBoy[/bold] wrote: There are a lot of preconceptions amongst the games followers about how 'wonderful' rugby league is & a lot of myths peddled about the rugby league family. Bryn has lifted the corner of the carpet to expose just a fraction of what is hidden. Rugby eague is just as rotten & corupt as any other sport. The players are indeed treated like piees of meat & any dissenting voices often dismissed as having an agenda. It says it all for me that the RFL has not at any point said it will be investigating the chronic mismanagement of the Bulls. They won't do that vecause Caisley is too embedded in the game, which is why Guilfoyle got the admin gig, & it will expose the farce of licensing which gave the Bulls a B grade licence. Then there's also the complete lack of openness & integrity around how the Bulls were llowed to walk away from huge debts & continue in Super League. Probationary licence? What is one of those? The edifice is crumbling & there are those at Red Hall who have been there so long they are central to the problem. Good luck Bryn. Start fresh & move on.[/p][/quote]What myths are you alluding to? And preconceptions? As a lifelong RL fan, I know exactly what the game is and how it is cash poor compared to others, I’m pretty sure if I ask anyone of the same ilk they will agree, but the visual product is unsurpassed. Can I state, I am treated as a piece of meat by my employer too, I just put my brain on the line not my physical body – so what? They get paid more and in some cases get paid a hell of a lot...... Can I have evidence of the corruption in RL (that’s not your opinion of corruption actual legal take me to court corruption) – who has dissented and been accused of having an agenda? Keith Senior????? Why would the RFL investigate a company? Mismanagement is not illegal – tax evasion is, and it would HMRC who investigate that. The RFL uphold the laws and values of the game they do not police profit making businesses. How is a players agent, Caisley, too embedded in the game? When you get a job, you are put on probation, when you are let out of the nick you are put on probation, call it a good behaviour bond, that is what the Bulls have – be good chaps and you can have a SL license again type thing – the Bulls didn’t walk anyway from debts, you need to understand the difference between the sporting entity and the commercial entity, when you do you’ll understand why the Bulls didn’t walk away from any debts. The RFL have posted £25 million profits – some crumbling edifice that....... Do agree with your last statement[/p][/quote]As if by magic an ostrich appears to prove my point.[/p][/quote]no answers to your false allgations?? Appears you can not back up your statements please enlighten me and other readers or are you just another Troll?[/p][/quote]What false allegations? Are you happy to be treated like a piece of meat? Bryn clearly isn't and has called time. You clearly know nothingabout what goes on behind the scenes in player treatment to get them on the field. Nor the longer term ramifications of such treatment. You need to lern about where Caisley sits in the rugby league hierarchy and what and who he knows. The Bulls last licence applicaton is clearly seriously questionable. As is the financial management which resulted in such a mess being built up, let alone the way in which £400k was procured from the public appea. You really think that the RFL membership rules and SL licence rules allow such behaviour to go unchecked? They don't. However the RFL won't act because t will expose the farce that is the licensing process. The RFL is corupt because t won't act to investigate and ban those responsible at fr the Bulls mess. The RFL was complicit in trying to cover over the mess by buying the lease and not revealing what the real situation was at the Bulls. Unless of corse they were duped again? In which case how are those running the RFL fit and proper, never mind the Bulls shareholders and directors. The sporting entiy and the business entity? They are one and the same. They are not two separate organsations in name or form. Des Johnstone at Barrow received an 8 year ban from involvement in rugby league What should the directors and shareholders of Bradford Bulls Holdings Lts receive for taking a club into such huge debt & subsequent liquidation? The FL asn't ever posted those sort of profits.[/p][/quote]It’s the way of the world in a capitalist free market, we are ALL commodities hence pieces of meat and treated thus – tell me one organisation that doesn’t do that??? I know little of player prep and healing, true, but what I do know is that no one holds a gun to these guys head saying do it, they are paid a very fair wage in return, our soliders put their bodies ion the line for a lot less cash with a lot more serious ramifications... do not make out that RL players are badly treated especially at SL level....... Educate me on Caisley, as far as I know he is a consultant for a law firm and also a player agent – where does that put him in the Hierachy?? Just above a slug if you ask me...... you seem to be alluding to something juicy?? Has CC got pics of Nigel Wood wearing a tutu at a National Socialist party meeting shaking hands with Rob Andrew? Who is responsible for the Bulls mess? Caisley? Hood? Both? More? Neither? Without an in-depth investigation we will never know and no-one will pay the money for an in-depth investigation, so we will never know. As for the RFL being complicit in a cover up, they haven’t done it for just the Bulls you know!! London/Crusaders spring straight to mind, at least the RFL got something as a tangible asset out of the Bulls So when Bradford Bulls Holding Ltd gets liquidated Bradford Bulls RL Club will go too???? I’m pretty sure OK Bulls ltd bought the Bradford Bulls... so not the same organisations....... .. In my view many untold nasties shoudl fall upon the former directors not the 100’s of innocent shareholders. What will happen – naff all unfortunetly Sorry, it wasn’t profit, it was turnover but the point was ever year the turnover at the RL increases as do the profits so more money is ploughed back into the game as the game generates more[/p][/quote]God grief you are clearly uterly clueless.. OK Bulls bought the remaining assets & goodwill of Bradford Bulls Holdings Ltd. There is no such corporate entity as Bradford Bulls RL Club. You are aware that the shareholder and directors were guarantors for the bank overdraft. That's why the appeal was made, so the overdraft could be paid off to get them of the financial hook. As soon as they were personally free they let the club go into admin and rode off into the distance. Why do you think the main shareholder, Caisley, remained totally silent throughout the whole process? The finger pointing at Hood was a ruse to take the spotlight off Caisley. You do know that Caisley was at the top of SL with Lindsay don't you, as well as being Bulls chairman? Caisley won't be touched by the RFL because he knows were the bodies are buried. In my opinion that appeal money was taken under false pretences. It was said it was being done to save the club, wen in reality it was done to protect the directors and shareholders. Rugby league is a totally corrupt sport and what has gone on at the Bulls exemplifies that. You would be surprised at some of the treatments and risks taken with player health to get them out on the field. Metaphorically speaking, guns are held to heads to get players on the feld. Bryn is better off out of it. Good luck to him in whatever he chooses to do.[/p][/quote]I strongly agree with the suspicions cited. The administrater will be looking into that. The whole chapter has been stage managed to bring about a solution that ensures 1.The Bulls finish the season 2They are saved 3The bank are repaid and the directors personal rersponsibilities to the bank are removed 4.The creditors get jack all. 5The Bulls stay in SL as they cannot do without them One has to ask where would the Bulls and directors have been in 2011 without the RFL pumping in £750000 only to snatch it back when it was clear the Bulls were insolvent by taking on the long lease of the land. The Bulls only proper realisable asset in insolvency. Yes the Bulls were insolvent a lot longer than the end of March 2012 and the RFL have been complicit in ensuring 1.The Bulls remain in the competition and survive 2The creditors are stuffed[/p][/quote]The administrato won't look into anything. Guilfoyle was appointed administrator by his friend and close business associate Chris Caisley. BierleyBoy
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