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Accrington 1 City 1
4:56pm Saturday 8th September 2012 in Sport
By Simon Parker, Bradford City Reporter
Alan Connell chose the perfect moment to break his City goal duck and rescue a late draw at Accrington.
Connell came off the bench to level six minutes from time and earn the first away point of the season at the third attempt.
It was also City’s first goal at the Crown Ground since 2008 and ended a run of three straight defeats on Stanley soil.
Phil Parkinson had switched to a 4-3-3 formation and the onus was on the two wingers to work off James Hanson . That was certainly the case in a first half when City were well on top without scoring. Kyel Reid fizzed an early half-volley just over before Zavon Hines latched on to Hanson ’s flick-on to force Ian Dunbavin into a punching save.
Jon McLaughlin was back in the City goal and had an uncomfortable moment from a poor backpass by Luke Oliver . But the visitors were asking the questions and Gary Jones and Hanson combined to tee up Hines, who drove against the far post with Dunbavin beaten.
Hanson should have broken the deadlock in the 26th minute but his hanging header from a Hines cross was cleared off the line by Luke Joyce.
Accrington failed to muster a single shot on McLaughlin’s goal in the first half. The closest they managed was a lofted through ball from Lee Molyneux that just eluded target Padraig Amond by the penalty spot.
George Miller shanked their first effort well wide three minutes after the re-start but Stanley picked up their game. City did not look the same threat as they had done before and Reid fired high over the away terrace.
Inevitably, Accrington’s first shot on target broke the deadlock with 17 minutes left. Will Hatfield found room on the right wing to cross low and Padraig Amond had a simple tap-in past McLaughlin.
Alan Connell was thrown on and nearly fashioned an equaliser after good work in the box by Jones.
But he went one better with six minutes left. McLaughlin’s long kick was flicked on once again by Hanson and the sub latched on to it to beat Dunbavin with a cool lob.
Comments(99)
ukdj67
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5:35pm Sat 8 Sep 12
shoesman1
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5:35pm Sat 8 Sep 12
Thee Voice of Reason
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5:38pm Sat 8 Sep 12
collos25
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5:42pm Sat 8 Sep 12
doneBD4
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5:42pm Sat 8 Sep 12
A point is better than nothing.
We'll finish mid-table, and be safe from the drop by xmas.... that in it self we be a good step forward.
It's Barnet next, a very good display from the lads and 3 points will do nicely.
If not then fine's and sackings should be ring the players/managements ear's.
No presssure then.
tyker2
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6:13pm Sat 8 Sep 12
Again Ross Hannah warming the bench:he will be gone on loan next we know.
Victor Clayton
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6:27pm Sat 8 Sep 12
Botswana Bantam
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6:32pm Sat 8 Sep 12
tyker2 wrote:I agree. And it would be a real shame after good pre-season showing.
a point gained or three lost. First half chances need to be taken.
Again Ross Hannah warming the bench:he will be gone on loan next we know.
steeton bantam
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6:35pm Sat 8 Sep 12
Correctness
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6:43pm Sat 8 Sep 12
tyker2
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6:55pm Sat 8 Sep 12
nowt fresh
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7:00pm Sat 8 Sep 12
bcfc1903
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7:17pm Sat 8 Sep 12
cookie_brighton
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7:22pm Sat 8 Sep 12
Prisoner Cell Block A
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7:25pm Sat 8 Sep 12
We got drubbed 4-0 last week, that never looked even remotely likely and we were on top all game. People need to get real and stop judging teams on name alone.
This division is not even showing a blurred picture yet never mind a clear one, start to look at league position and performances at the end of October, not beginning of September. Even then, we won't even be a 3rd into the season.
We're a 4th division side playing a 4th division side. They won't roll over cos we're Bradford Cit and apart from a lucky few years are a staunch 4th division club.
Birky Neil
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8:04pm Sat 8 Sep 12
shoesman1 wrote:How can u get more goals when u play Hanson up front on his own against a team that was poor in my eyes. Hanson was garbage today and yes I did go just like I went to the Gillingham game. Don't know if parky is the man to get us out if this league with his negativity! 2 men upfront would of got us 3 points today!
well done city and especially connell but really we should be getting more goals with all that play but maybe just one of those days where nothing goes write but still not a bad result all in all come on city
Birky Neil
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8:06pm Sat 8 Sep 12
Correctness
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8:24pm Sat 8 Sep 12
nowt fresh wrote:Yes and Rotherham scored 4 against City and then today Port Vale put 6 past Rotherham - Facts not Fiction - get into the real world of football, City make up the league.
Look at who weve played Gillingham top of the league !Fleetwood 4th in the league ! Accrington 5th in the league ! Rotherham 10th in the league,only Wimbledon in bottom half of league next two games at home both winable IMO and we will be in top 7 after those two games no problem possibly top four !!..
MortonBantam
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8:40pm Sat 8 Sep 12
nowt fresh
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8:47pm Sat 8 Sep 12
Correctness wrote:I've told you before no mark leave footballing matters to fans who know what they are talking about !! I'll get back to you after the next two home games when as I say we will be in the top 7 and possibly the top 4 catch you then fool !!.
nowt fresh wrote: Look at who weve played Gillingham top of the league !Fleetwood 4th in the league ! Accrington 5th in the league ! Rotherham 10th in the league,only Wimbledon in bottom half of league next two games at home both winable IMO and we will be in top 7 after those two games no problem possibly top four !!..Yes and Rotherham scored 4 against City and then today Port Vale put 6 past Rotherham - Facts not Fiction - get into the real world of football, City make up the league.
lawsonio123
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9:12pm Sat 8 Sep 12
Correctness
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9:12pm Sat 8 Sep 12
nowt fresh wrote:Were the facts CORRECT or are you unable to understand the TRUTH or is just that the TRUTH hurts.
Correctness wrote:I've told you before no mark leave footballing matters to fans who know what they are talking about !! I'll get back to you after the next two home games when as I say we will be in the top 7 and possibly the top 4 catch you then fool !!.nowt fresh wrote: Look at who weve played Gillingham top of the league !Fleetwood 4th in the league ! Accrington 5th in the league ! Rotherham 10th in the league,only Wimbledon in bottom half of league next two games at home both winable IMO and we will be in top 7 after those two games no problem possibly top four !!..Yes and Rotherham scored 4 against City and then today Port Vale put 6 past Rotherham - Facts not Fiction - get into the real world of football, City make up the league.
Cityman23
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9:13pm Sat 8 Sep 12
It's still far too early to be 'concluding anything' just now (unless we were getting hammered in every match-which we're clearly not)
Things haven't 'settled down' yet with managers having new players at all clubs (as well as The Bantams) still experimenting with where to play them/the 'gelling' of defences/midfields/s
trike partnerships etc.
I still feel, by late October we'll have a clearer more reliable 'picture' of where we stand (in the 'pecking order.')
Shadrach Dingle
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9:26pm Sat 8 Sep 12
With no Wells in the team we played 4-5-1 and Hanson spent the game isolated flicking the ball onto their defenders. The wingers created next to nothing so our attacking options were like Stanley's, practically non-existant. No one played well except Davies and Jones. When called upon Oliver was woeful and Doyle's first half performance was well, well, below par. I do feel sorry for Jones, he's a proper footballer but the way Parkinson sets us up his ability and drive is completely wasted. It wasn't until Connell came on that we looked to play a few passes and open them up down the middle. Unfortunately PP seems to be obsessed with the idea of two wide men and lumping it to the big forrad so don't expect to see us play any decent pass and move football anytime soon.
As for Hannah, the way we play he'd be nothing more than a passenger.
moomooland
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9:36pm Sat 8 Sep 12
shoesman1
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9:52pm Sat 8 Sep 12
BCFC LAD
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10:15pm Sat 8 Sep 12
Portvale 6 Rotherham 2
And some of you think your goin for promotion, more chance of having a derby against Park Avenue next season
LOL
theoutsider
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10:18pm Sat 8 Sep 12
At 0-0 and having enjoyed total control of the game Parkinson persits with his 4-5-1 and the long ball to the hapless Hanson. To compound his poor judgement further her brings on Thompson and McArdle for Hines and Darby. What was that for if not to try and hang on 0-0 in a game where City should have been out of sight.
Finally finally he sends on Connell by far the clubs best all round forward and Connell to his credit gets his gaffer off the hook !. with a sublime finish..
How Parkinson can be happy with a point christ knows,but what I know is that it showed him up to be pretty clueless when he did not understand what to do to win this game. By the way can we now finally have Connell the first forward on the team sheet.
Hanson has some attributes but being a footballer is not one of them ! yes he can add something if we want put battering ram up front but that it. Wells ? well he's got skill and speed but lacks on the physical side. Connell ticks all the boxes so he needs to start game. I think Wells being out might be a blessing ?.
But honestly Mr Parkinson ??? you might be getting the salary and have the badges but much more of this and you'll be the former manager of this club.
pride of yorkshire
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10:41pm Sat 8 Sep 12
Thee Voice of Reason
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10:48pm Sat 8 Sep 12
robholmes
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11:04pm Sat 8 Sep 12
Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:You may find that Accrington where beaten 3-0 in their last home game! Exeter was it?
We took a point of a team where we haven't scored for 4 years, have consistently out performed us in the table and not dropped a point at home yet.
We got drubbed 4-0 last week, that never looked even remotely likely and we were on top all game. People need to get real and stop judging teams on name alone.
This division is not even showing a blurred picture yet never mind a clear one, start to look at league position and performances at the end of October, not beginning of September. Even then, we won't even be a 3rd into the season.
We're a 4th division side playing a 4th division side. They won't roll over cos we're Bradford Cit and apart from a lucky few years are a staunch 4th division club.
tyker2
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11:25pm Sat 8 Sep 12
theoutsider wrote:but parky is the most intelligent manager w have ever had under Lawny;remember those words they may come back to haunt.
Personally I think Mr Parkinson was shown up this afternoon as questionable football tactician. Today Bradford City had no reason to be happy with this point. It should have been three having totally doinated a poor home team.
At 0-0 and having enjoyed total control of the game Parkinson persits with his 4-5-1 and the long ball to the hapless Hanson. To compound his poor judgement further her brings on Thompson and McArdle for Hines and Darby. What was that for if not to try and hang on 0-0 in a game where City should have been out of sight.
Finally finally he sends on Connell by far the clubs best all round forward and Connell to his credit gets his gaffer off the hook !. with a sublime finish..
How Parkinson can be happy with a point christ knows,but what I know is that it showed him up to be pretty clueless when he did not understand what to do to win this game. By the way can we now finally have Connell the first forward on the team sheet.
Hanson has some attributes but being a footballer is not one of them ! yes he can add something if we want put battering ram up front but that it. Wells ? well he's got skill and speed but lacks on the physical side. Connell ticks all the boxes so he needs to start game. I think Wells being out might be a blessing ?.
But honestly Mr Parkinson ??? you might be getting the salary and have the badges but much more of this and you'll be the former manager of this club.
yorkiebantam
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12:08am Sun 9 Sep 12
theoutsider wrote:Have I just entered the twilight zone. The manager picks a side, gives them the tactics, sends them out and they do everything but score. That somehow is bad tactics. I think too you must have been mixing the teams up. Bradford played a lot of ball on the ground while the long ball was played extensively by the red team.
Personally I think Mr Parkinson was shown up this afternoon as questionable football tactician. Today Bradford City had no reason to be happy with this point. It should have been three having totally doinated a poor home team.
At 0-0 and having enjoyed total control of the game Parkinson persits with his 4-5-1 and the long ball to the hapless Hanson. To compound his poor judgement further her brings on Thompson and McArdle for Hines and Darby. What was that for if not to try and hang on 0-0 in a game where City should have been out of sight.
Finally finally he sends on Connell by far the clubs best all round forward and Connell to his credit gets his gaffer off the hook !. with a sublime finish..
How Parkinson can be happy with a point christ knows,but what I know is that it showed him up to be pretty clueless when he did not understand what to do to win this game. By the way can we now finally have Connell the first forward on the team sheet.
Hanson has some attributes but being a footballer is not one of them ! yes he can add something if we want put battering ram up front but that it. Wells ? well he's got skill and speed but lacks on the physical side. Connell ticks all the boxes so he needs to start game. I think Wells being out might be a blessing ?.
But honestly Mr Parkinson ??? you might be getting the salary and have the badges but much more of this and you'll be the former manager of this club.
Fortunately those of us with a bit more upstairs appreciate what the manager has done and there isn't a hope that Parky will be ex Bradford for a long time to come thank God.
Come on city 6 out of 6 next week!
Prisoner Cell Block A
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12:28am Sun 9 Sep 12
robholmes wrote:I stand corrected, they have been even more impressive, beating Vale at home who beat Rotheram 6-2, who beat us 4-0. They have also beaten Chelts 3-0 away and Southen 1-0 away. They have lost their last two at home so their manager will have wanted to keep it tight, we got s drubbing so our manager wasn't taking risks, we hit the post, were the better side, went behind to their 1st shot on target and fought back.
Prisoner Cell Block A wrote: We took a point of a team where we haven't scored for 4 years, have consistently out performed us in the table and not dropped a point at home yet. We got drubbed 4-0 last week, that never looked even remotely likely and we were on top all game. People need to get real and stop judging teams on name alone. This division is not even showing a blurred picture yet never mind a clear one, start to look at league position and performances at the end of October, not beginning of September. Even then, we won't even be a 3rd into the season. We're a 4th division side playing a 4th division side. They won't roll over cos we're Bradford Cit and apart from a lucky few years are a staunch 4th division club.You may find that Accrington where beaten 3-0 in their last home game! Exeter was it?
The league is still settling, some players and teams are hitting form now, that's good as the quicker you pick up points the better but no-one has ever won a title by the end of September. We've had some tough away games, we would hope to win our next two at home, putting us in a half decent position.
If we can win the majority at home and pick up a point away we won't be far off.
A good point gained.
bcfc1903
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12:50am Sun 9 Sep 12
bcfc1903
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12:59am Sun 9 Sep 12
How good is that new home shirt design, loving it!!!!!
Bradford1903
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2:51am Sun 9 Sep 12
It just shows that a lot of people's opinions change every couple of games; after the Wimbledon there was all this talk of promotion, and now the usual doom merchants appear to be out in force.
With two home games to come, we should be looking to get 6 points from, which would put us right up there.
Bradford1903
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2:51am Sun 9 Sep 12
It just shows that a lot of people's opinions change every couple of games; after the Wimbledon there was all this talk of promotion, and now the usual doom merchants appear to be out in force.
With two home games to come, we should be looking to get 6 points from, which would put us right up there.
macca1969
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8:29am Sun 9 Sep 12
Bradford1903 wrote:Can't see 6 points as we always struggle against morcambe, but would say four has to be a minimum
Considering we had lost our first two away games, then I think it's a pretty good point, and one I'd have probably taken before the game.
It just shows that a lot of people's opinions change every couple of games; after the Wimbledon there was all this talk of promotion, and now the usual doom merchants appear to be out in force.
With two home games to come, we should be looking to get 6 points from, which would put us right up there.
huggy b
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8:38am Sun 9 Sep 12
oddshapedballs
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9:30am Sun 9 Sep 12
who next yhackley reserves?? what a bunch of wasters
oddshapedballs
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9:33am Sun 9 Sep 12
dannbradfc
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9:35am Sun 9 Sep 12
doneBD4 wrote:Don't think the chairman will see it that way. A top 7 budget. The highest wage bill since entering this division so the radio says, thus mid table will be deemed. Failure. A lot of the players are on one season contracts with the aim to secure a top 7 finish at least. If we are positive then this squad should be able to acheive this. We don't need negative tactics but do need more creation and interchanging. In our play. We look too predictable at times. Home wins are a necessity to any success. Early days and there's been both good and bad Thus far.......
No need to worry, we are just fine.
A point is better than nothing.
We'll finish mid-table, and be safe from the drop by xmas.... that in it self we be a good step forward.
It's Barnet next, a very good display from the lads and 3 points will do nicely.
If not then fine's and sackings should be ring the players/managements ear's.
No presssure then.
nowt fresh
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9:51am Sun 9 Sep 12
Correctness wrote:Your really hurting with your FACTS!! (heart broken as he types) as I say I'll get back to you after the 18th of September when we WILL be in the top 7 if not top 4 as I say above, now run along no mark :-)).
nowt fresh wrote:Were the facts CORRECT or are you unable to understand the TRUTH or is just that the TRUTH hurts.Correctness wrote:I've told you before no mark leave footballing matters to fans who know what they are talking about !! I'll get back to you after the next two home games when as I say we will be in the top 7 and possibly the top 4 catch you then fool !!.nowt fresh wrote: Look at who weve played Gillingham top of the league !Fleetwood 4th in the league ! Accrington 5th in the league ! Rotherham 10th in the league,only Wimbledon in bottom half of league next two games at home both winable IMO and we will be in top 7 after those two games no problem possibly top four !!..Yes and Rotherham scored 4 against City and then today Port Vale put 6 past Rotherham - Facts not Fiction - get into the real world of football, City make up the league.
ALEXIMO.56.
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9:52am Sun 9 Sep 12
El Marco
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10:35am Sun 9 Sep 12
Victor Clayton
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10:57am Sun 9 Sep 12
I agree with those who would like a re think on the strikers.
oddshapedballs
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12:44pm Sun 9 Sep 12
nowt fresh
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12:54pm Sun 9 Sep 12
oddshapedballs wrote:Catalan Dragons 50, Bulls 26
bradford derby is getting closer
Bradford Bulls 6 Hull FC 70
Enough said, I would have thought as a "BULLS" fan you would be more worried about your shower after the last two results,then again youv'e nowt to worry about as Mr Khan is going to make "Odslum" the Wembley of the North, do you believe in the tooth fairy "oddshape" ???
lonniejockstrap
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1:39pm Sun 9 Sep 12
Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:Hear, hear.
We took a point of a team where we haven't scored for 4 years, have consistently out performed us in the table and not dropped a point at home yet.
We got drubbed 4-0 last week, that never looked even remotely likely and we were on top all game. People need to get real and stop judging teams on name alone.
This division is not even showing a blurred picture yet never mind a clear one, start to look at league position and performances at the end of October, not beginning of September. Even then, we won't even be a 3rd into the season.
We're a 4th division side playing a 4th division side. They won't roll over cos we're Bradford Cit and apart from a lucky few years are a staunch 4th division club.
Rambo
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1:40pm Sun 9 Sep 12
And so what if Port Vale beat Rotherham? City beat Fleetwood the other week and theyve gone to get some decent scores after. Theres always strange results early in a season,only been 5 sodding games.
steeton bantam
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1:40pm Sun 9 Sep 12
BCFC LAD
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2:11pm Sun 9 Sep 12
nowt fresh
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2:17pm Sun 9 Sep 12
steeton bantam wrote:My only concern with PP is he plays 4-4-2 at Rotherham and we concede 4 without reply,then according to line up yesterday he plays 4-3-3 Hanson as the lone striker with the two wide men feeding off of him, why not have one front man with one wide man supplying ?, I believe 4-4-2 at home with a wide man each side has worked very well but away from home we need IMO to protect the ball more in midfield, I would therefore play 4-5-1 away lets say Darby, Oliver, Davies, Meredith, at the back G Jones, Thompson, Doyle, Brown, with Reid across the middle Reid pushing up when we have the ball and Connell as the lone front man as IMO Hanson can't play that role,but obviously PP see them every day and knows how they perform in training so what do we fans know :-)).
Just to shut the moaners up - it took us 11 games to get 7 points last season 4 draws and one win. I therefore suggest that 7 points from 5 games is a 100% improvement
nowt fresh
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2:22pm Sun 9 Sep 12
BCFC LAD wrote:Been mentioned once BCFC LAD at least think of something original rather than re quoting Meat Pie's comment,now change you nappy and back to sleep !!.
I`ve shut up only cos Im laughing, I cant bear it 14th in division 4 LOL
Whoisevans?
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3:44pm Sun 9 Sep 12
theoutsider
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4:01pm Sun 9 Sep 12
yorkiebantam wrote:Listen here York where did I say the tactics were wrong first half?. Look City should have been out of sight in this game and Parkinson should have enough nonce to have gone two up top from the start of the second and we would have won the game. Accy were terrible but he makes subs trying to hang on 0-0 that was his plan and then its 0-1 and hes cocked up. He finally sends on Connell and he saves face. He takes credit for the first 45 yes but faced with needing to change things and capitalise on our dominance the man was clueless. If you did not see any of that suggest your not watching matches properly or maybe your clueless. Pay more attention next time.
theoutsider wrote:Have I just entered the twilight zone. The manager picks a side, gives them the tactics, sends them out and they do everything but score. That somehow is bad tactics. I think too you must have been mixing the teams up. Bradford played a lot of ball on the ground while the long ball was played extensively by the red team.
Personally I think Mr Parkinson was shown up this afternoon as questionable football tactician. Today Bradford City had no reason to be happy with this point. It should have been three having totally doinated a poor home team.
At 0-0 and having enjoyed total control of the game Parkinson persits with his 4-5-1 and the long ball to the hapless Hanson. To compound his poor judgement further her brings on Thompson and McArdle for Hines and Darby. What was that for if not to try and hang on 0-0 in a game where City should have been out of sight.
Finally finally he sends on Connell by far the clubs best all round forward and Connell to his credit gets his gaffer off the hook !. with a sublime finish..
How Parkinson can be happy with a point christ knows,but what I know is that it showed him up to be pretty clueless when he did not understand what to do to win this game. By the way can we now finally have Connell the first forward on the team sheet.
Hanson has some attributes but being a footballer is not one of them ! yes he can add something if we want put battering ram up front but that it. Wells ? well he's got skill and speed but lacks on the physical side. Connell ticks all the boxes so he needs to start game. I think Wells being out might be a blessing ?.
But honestly Mr Parkinson ??? you might be getting the salary and have the badges but much more of this and you'll be the former manager of this club.
Fortunately those of us with a bit more upstairs appreciate what the manager has done and there isn't a hope that Parky will be ex Bradford for a long time to come thank God.
Come on city 6 out of 6 next week!
Prisoner Cell Block A
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4:27pm Sun 9 Sep 12
If you do ignore it I will just take it as I understand the situation, you haven't a clue and just have an issue with Hanson. Full explanation or withdraw the above comment and refrain from commenting in future, you're wasting all our time.
Baildon_Bantam
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4:53pm Sun 9 Sep 12
Anyone who knows football knows thats not how it works. I'm quite confident with our home form so as long as we come from away games with some points, I'll be happy.
nowt fresh
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5:11pm Sun 9 Sep 12
Baildon_Bantam wrote:If you use Correctness logic Leeds Untd should be European Champions as they beat Manchester Untd at Old Trafford a couple of seasons ago, (maybe he/she is a closet Leeds fan) you can fit what Correctness,BCFC LAD, and oddshapedballs know about football on the back of a postage stamp,I would have thought oddshapedballs had enough to worry about after his teams last two heavy defeats :-)).
This place is a joke. Who cares about how many Port Vale beat Rotherham by! We beat Fleetwood 1-0 and Fleetwood beat Morecambe 4-0 yesterday, so that means were guarenteed 3 points against Morecambe yes? Anyone who knows football knows thats not how it works. I'm quite confident with our home form so as long as we come from away games with some points, I'll be happy.
Victor Clayton
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6:11pm Sun 9 Sep 12
Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:Prisoner, IMO your post is rude. i don't have any problem defending my comment, but unless you ask me politely, something like "Victor, why don't you think Hanson has the attributes to be a lone striker?" I will be ignoring your post. fail to do this and I will just take it as I understand the situation. you are related to Hanson and are incapable of asking a simple question in a resonable fashion.
Ok Victor, instead of me being rude and having a go at you, explain in your opinion what attributes Hanson is missing to play the lone striker? A thankless task in anyones book but the lad won 70% of his headers, most dropping from 40 ft in the air, set up our equaliser, had one cleared off the line, linked up with our wide men and CMs when the ball was played into his feet or body. I obviously haven't a clue what he or anyone in that position should be doing whereas you seem to. Please don't ignore this as I think it is vital we get an expert opinion of the situation. If you do ignore it I will just take it as I understand the situation, you haven't a clue and just have an issue with Hanson. Full explanation or withdraw the above comment and refrain from commenting in future, you're wasting all our time.
Correctness
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6:53pm Sun 9 Sep 12
nowt fresh
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7:14pm Sun 9 Sep 12
Whoisevans?
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8:10pm Sun 9 Sep 12
Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:Well said prisoner Hanson gets it in the neck every time from people who don't appreciate the work ethic the lad goes into every game and works his socks off. He can't be held responsible for us conseeding a goal that to be honest should have been cleared by the defence he did his bit and more. James covers defence in set peices and cannot help it when they let the ball in the net. Still early doors yet and we will know what we can expect come January. Lets face it Swindon won this league last season but didn't get into the top spot until 2 games to go.
Ok Victor, instead of me being rude and having a go at you, explain in your opinion what attributes Hanson is missing to play the lone striker? A thankless task in anyones book but the lad won 70% of his headers, most dropping from 40 ft in the air, set up our equaliser, had one cleared off the line, linked up with our wide men and CMs when the ball was played into his feet or body. I obviously haven't a clue what he or anyone in that position should be doing whereas you seem to. Please don't ignore this as I think it is vital we get an expert opinion of the situation.
If you do ignore it I will just take it as I understand the situation, you haven't a clue and just have an issue with Hanson. Full explanation or withdraw the above comment and refrain from commenting in future, you're wasting all our time.
Correctness
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8:11pm Sun 9 Sep 12
nowt fresh wrote:Truth Hurts.
Talking about defunct schools where we you educated "City are abolve what their performances" is that ABOVE or ABOUT back to school for you Correctness, try spell check INCORRECTNESS :-))
bradford321
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8:17pm Sun 9 Sep 12
ALEXIMO.56. wrote:Did you look down the far end? Accy end behind goal, half empty & main stand had plenty of spare home sears. Think figure was probably about right.
I went to the game yesterday and in the 1st half we had over 80% of the possession. Jimmy H. had one cleared off the line and Hines hit the post. Second half we seemed to ease off and sit back and just use Jimmy as the target man but there was nobody with him from his flick-ons. I think it's time to give Jimmy a rest and start Connell against Barnet and also Hannah. A couple of days ago I enquired about Accy's ave att. 1500 was told. I predicted, along with the 1500 accy ave, our sold allocation of 1800, plus the pay on the day City fans that there would be a total of aproximately4,300. I was informed by an Accy fan after the game that their capacity is 5,000 and they never give the true attendance. yesterday was given as 3,010. ABSOLUTE RUBBISH. The Accy fan said himself there was over 4k in the stadium. That grond was almost full to capacity and there was a lot more than the 3,010. Anyone who went could see with their own eyes that the ground was almost full.
Whoisevans?
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8:18pm Sun 9 Sep 12
nowt fresh
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8:19pm Sun 9 Sep 12
Correctness wrote:No need to apologize INCORRECTNESS it's starting to get boring !! Truth Hurts,Truth Hurts,Truth Hurts, at least think of a new responce
nowt fresh wrote: Talking about defunct schools where we you educated "City are abolve what their performances" is that ABOVE or ABOUT back to school for you Correctness, try spell check INCORRECTNESS :-))Truth Hurts.
:-))
nowt fresh
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8:41pm Sun 9 Sep 12
Whoisevans? wrote:Phil Parkinson played a defensive formation against Rotherham ??
A lot of fans critised Parky for playing a defensive formation last season he does it against Rotherham and we get hammered. I want to see us get the points in the bag and a bit more confidence before we start the gung ho stuff.
Duke
McArdle Davies Oliver Meredith Hines Jones Doyle Reid
Wells Hanson
seriously
Kyel Reid
9 James Hanson
12 18 20 Zavon Hines
21 Nahki Wells
23 Nathan Doyle
BCFC LAD
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8:48pm Sun 9 Sep 12
Grimsbybantam
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8:56pm Sun 9 Sep 12
tyker2 wrote:What does he have to do to get on he pitch?
a point gained or three lost. First half chances need to be taken.
Again Ross Hannah warming the bench:he will be gone on loan next we know.
Grimsbybantam
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8:56pm Sun 9 Sep 12
tyker2 wrote:What does he have to do to get on he pitch?
a point gained or three lost. First half chances need to be taken.
Again Ross Hannah warming the bench:he will be gone on loan next we know.
Grimsbybantam
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9:09pm Sun 9 Sep 12
El Marco wrote:Not proven in full time football maybe but well worthy of being given an opportunity
Ross Hannah is absolutely peaking by warming the bench, he is not a proven scorer in full-time pro football, far from it.
Onebrianmitchell
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9:26pm Sun 9 Sep 12
nowt fresh wrote:You're not in my top 5 or bottom 5. In fact I've never registered you as been a bad poster. That is meant as a compliment. I notice the idiots and read the others.
Onebrianmitchell wrote:I'll take it from that reply I'm not in your top 5 posters on here with large penis's ?
nowt fresh wrote:The thread is to both of you. The last one is to his response. It's very easy to follow.Onebrianmitchell wrote:Is that responce to me Onebrianmitchell, or Cityman23 ?.nowt fresh wrote:Please read what I have put again and what you have put. Engage your gnat sized brain and see if you have even managed to argue against me. Let me help you. My original post was against the idiots on here who add nothing to the true debate of how City played and seek to antagonise. You made an unfounded, unproper, and unjust accusation. I put you right with regard to that in a response that had nothing to do with football. I called people who abuse BCFC cowards. How does that response tie me in with being a coward who abuses the team. You've shown yourself up again. You clueless little coward.Onebrianmitchell wrote:"Weigh that against a bunch of cowards who hide behind a user name and a keyboard, whose sole intention when commenting upon a locally loved football team is to abuse and provoke others then you may understand my anger" Why respond then Onebrianmitchell ??.nowt fresh wrote:Who's giving disability abuse? Is the PC brigade out without giving a thought for what they ate saying? I can honestly say that in my social sphere I have never heard disablity abuse. Ever. Nor does quoting a valid term (in both medical and legal circles - use google please) class as such. As usual the PC brigade latch on to anything you say or do. The entire reason why this country is rotten. Did I learn anything from the Paralympics? No. I already was aware of the Paralympics and everything associated with it. However I accept it served as a brilliant reminder as to the mental and physical strength of those deemed to be eligible for the games. It has been a heart warming experience to watch the sheer brilliance of the competitors. Weigh that against a bunch of cowards who hide behind a user name and a keyboard, whose sole intention when commenting upon a locally loved football team is to abuse and provoke others then you may understand my anger. Don't play the PC card on me until you understand the issue properly.Cityman23 wrote:Add this fool to the above list, although as yet Correctness,BCFC LAD, and oddshapedballs are just nuisances and have not resorted to the above comments which maybe gives them one brain cell between them ??.Onebrianmitchell wrote: Apart from about 5 posters everyone on here has a very small penis and inept social skills. They are mentally retarded.Dispicable comment! Isn't there enough disabilty 'abuse' without adding to it? Did you 'learn' anything from the Paralympics? PS: 'Mentally Retarded' is a phrase that went OUT about 20 years ago!
just though your original post was a little OTT but there you are !! and I'm far from from "a little coward" Onebrianmitchell another OTT comment get back soon with another novel your getting as good as E. L. James with your sexual inferences :-))
I've really nowt against you other than I hate to be told that I'm being offensive when I wasn't.
Who's E L James? I'm not really into cheap **** for classless ladies.
But if it does it for you!!!!!!
nowt fresh
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9:31pm Sun 9 Sep 12
Onebrianmitchell
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9:53pm Sun 9 Sep 12
nowt fresh wrote:Christ. Please reread my last post. I'm rather bored. I tried to put water on the flames.
"Who's E L James? now thats one hell of a poor responce Onebrianmitchell ? on the one hand you ask "who's E L James ?, then reply to yourself by saying "I'm not really into cheap **** for classless ladies".so youv'e read the books then :-))
There was really no need for another response. Of course I know the author of Fifty shades..........
I also know the content. It was a joke.
You don't have to keep coming back and disagreeing with me.
Or do you have to have the last word?
Whoisevans?
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10:40pm Sun 9 Sep 12
nowt fresh wrote:I said fans critised Parky for playing a defensive formation last season not at Rotherham that was my point sorry if my quote confused but I meant to put he played an attacking formation at Rotherham and we got hammered.
Whoisevans? wrote:Phil Parkinson played a defensive formation against Rotherham ??
A lot of fans critised Parky for playing a defensive formation last season he does it against Rotherham and we get hammered. I want to see us get the points in the bag and a bit more confidence before we start the gung ho stuff.
Duke
McArdle Davies Oliver Meredith Hines Jones Doyle Reid
Wells Hanson
seriously
Kyel Reid
9 James Hanson
12 18 20 Zavon Hines
21 Nahki Wells
23 Nathan Doyle
Nowt fresh please ignore the idiot who shall remain annominous because he will continue putting his pointless attacks of our team because he has nothing better to do with his time.
bcfc1903
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11:33pm Sun 9 Sep 12
Shadrach Dingle
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1:38am Mon 10 Sep 12
Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:PCBA, for one reason or another Victor seems reluctant to answer your question so please allow me to answer it for him. For all his attributes, and there are quite a few, James lacks the one fundamental skill required to play the lone striker role successfully. The poor lad has the touch of a rapist and would struggle to control a wet bag of cement let alone a football. He simply can't hold the ball up and bring others into play and he can't hold the ball up and relieve pressure on an over worked defence.
Ok Victor, instead of me being rude and having a go at you, explain in your opinion what attributes Hanson is missing to play the lone striker? A thankless task in anyones book but the lad won 70% of his headers, most dropping from 40 ft in the air, set up our equaliser, had one cleared off the line, linked up with our wide men and CMs when the ball was played into his feet or body. I obviously haven't a clue what he or anyone in that position should be doing whereas you seem to. Please don't ignore this as I think it is vital we get an expert opinion of the situation.
If you do ignore it I will just take it as I understand the situation, you haven't a clue and just have an issue with Hanson. Full explanation or withdraw the above comment and refrain from commenting in future, you're wasting all our time.
Quite simple really and I'm surprised a man of your stature had to ask.
As an aside, for someone that offered no opinion on the game that 'Morton' chappie seems very abusive. The thing is, does he hail from East or West and more importantly, is he a bitter, inbred villager of many years standing or is he one of those 2.4 car owning off-cumden fly by nights hell bent on improving their social standing that have turned the place into nothing more than an over grown car park?
Prisoner Cell Block A
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9:36am Mon 10 Sep 12
Victor Clayton wrote:Victor, why don't you think Hanson has the attributes to be a lone striker?"
Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:Prisoner, IMO your post is rude. i don't have any problem defending my comment, but unless you ask me politely, something like "Victor, why don't you think Hanson has the attributes to be a lone striker?" I will be ignoring your post. fail to do this and I will just take it as I understand the situation. you are related to Hanson and are incapable of asking a simple question in a resonable fashion.
Ok Victor, instead of me being rude and having a go at you, explain in your opinion what attributes Hanson is missing to play the lone striker? A thankless task in anyones book but the lad won 70% of his headers, most dropping from 40 ft in the air, set up our equaliser, had one cleared off the line, linked up with our wide men and CMs when the ball was played into his feet or body. I obviously haven't a clue what he or anyone in that position should be doing whereas you seem to. Please don't ignore this as I think it is vital we get an expert opinion of the situation. If you do ignore it I will just take it as I understand the situation, you haven't a clue and just have an issue with Hanson. Full explanation or withdraw the above comment and refrain from commenting in future, you're wasting all our time.
Prisoner Cell Block A
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10:25am Mon 10 Sep 12
Shadrach Dingle wrote:Thank you for a comment I can respond to.
Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:PCBA, for one reason or another Victor seems reluctant to answer your question so please allow me to answer it for him. For all his attributes, and there are quite a few, James lacks the one fundamental skill required to play the lone striker role successfully. The poor lad has the touch of a rapist and would struggle to control a wet bag of cement let alone a football. He simply can't hold the ball up and bring others into play and he can't hold the ball up and relieve pressure on an over worked defence.
Ok Victor, instead of me being rude and having a go at you, explain in your opinion what attributes Hanson is missing to play the lone striker? A thankless task in anyones book but the lad won 70% of his headers, most dropping from 40 ft in the air, set up our equaliser, had one cleared off the line, linked up with our wide men and CMs when the ball was played into his feet or body. I obviously haven't a clue what he or anyone in that position should be doing whereas you seem to. Please don't ignore this as I think it is vital we get an expert opinion of the situation.
If you do ignore it I will just take it as I understand the situation, you haven't a clue and just have an issue with Hanson. Full explanation or withdraw the above comment and refrain from commenting in future, you're wasting all our time.
Quite simple really and I'm surprised a man of your stature had to ask.
As an aside, for someone that offered no opinion on the game that 'Morton' chappie seems very abusive. The thing is, does he hail from East or West and more importantly, is he a bitter, inbred villager of many years standing or is he one of those 2.4 car owning off-cumden fly by nights hell bent on improving their social standing that have turned the place into nothing more than an over grown car park?
I do disagree with it somewhat but not totally, when the ball is actually played in to him, not launched at him, his control isn't too bad, not brilliant but not the worst I've seen in that position. I can cite two examples from Saturday which reflect this, one was played into him on the attacking side of the centre circle, (their half, back to goal) he held the ball up, took two touches and then laid it out left to Reid. One other which springs to mind was a bnall at his chest which, he did allow to bounce away from him(making your point a little stronger) but he regained this with a long leg and managed to knock it into the oncoming Atkinson's path.
As a regular scorer, creator of goals I can forgive his slight failings of not being able to immediately control a ball dropping from the clouds, I understand some frustration when he doesn't control the easier knocks into him but he is a 4th division footballer and not much worse than any other player in our team in this respect.
One final note to Victor, I am not a relative of any one at City but a supporter with eyes. I see that JH brings a lot to the side what I fail to understand is why you still continually single him out as not being very good but never actually tell anyone why this is.
PS. Shadrach has probably used the one bullet you may have had. I wait with baited breath to see your gun belt.
Whoisevans?
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10:57am Mon 10 Sep 12
bcfc1903
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12:26pm Mon 10 Sep 12
Victor Clayton
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1:27pm Mon 10 Sep 12
Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:A lone striker should as shadrak rightly says have good control of the ball, no need to say anymore there (and this is enough on its own to say he shouldn’t play that role). He should also be a threat to the opposition in his own right. When was the last time JH received the ball, took on a couple of defenders and had a shot? A lone striker should also either have lightening pace to latch onto a diagonal through ball. or if he is a big lad, some guile or trickery. Some player just seem to be better at making space and time than others. There is also the question of movement, JH is a bit predictable. Hanson is strong in the air, but what is the point when he has no support?
Victor Clayton wrote:Victor, why don't you think Hanson has the attributes to be a lone striker?"Prisoner Cell Block A wrote: Ok Victor, instead of me being rude and having a go at you, explain in your opinion what attributes Hanson is missing to play the lone striker? A thankless task in anyones book but the lad won 70% of his headers, most dropping from 40 ft in the air, set up our equaliser, had one cleared off the line, linked up with our wide men and CMs when the ball was played into his feet or body. I obviously haven't a clue what he or anyone in that position should be doing whereas you seem to. Please don't ignore this as I think it is vital we get an expert opinion of the situation. If you do ignore it I will just take it as I understand the situation, you haven't a clue and just have an issue with Hanson. Full explanation or withdraw the above comment and refrain from commenting in future, you're wasting all our time.Prisoner, IMO your post is rude. i don't have any problem defending my comment, but unless you ask me politely, something like "Victor, why don't you think Hanson has the attributes to be a lone striker?" I will be ignoring your post. fail to do this and I will just take it as I understand the situation. you are related to Hanson and are incapable of asking a simple question in a resonable fashion.
I have only seen the Wimbledon game but from reports etc I think JH is having his best spell at the club. and as I said earlier I could understand PPs original set up. If we had taken one of the two chances that fell to us PP would have been hailed as a genius. My complaint was that in the second half, when they had rearranged, and our oppotunities had dried up, we didn’t change sooner.
Prisoner Cell Block A
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2:57pm Mon 10 Sep 12
JH is not the type of player, never has been, never will be one to turn a man inside out, I do not believe this to be an attribute of a target man, the very good ones who can do that and be a target (Crouch, Lambert) usually end up playing at the top level. Neither have lightenig pace. That is usually the role of the 'little man' in the big man little man combo. Having said that there have been times this season and last when James has turned with his back to goal and loosed off shots, usually on to his stronger left and usually finding the target.
I find it strange I have to defend our top scorer so often but this game is all about opinions and mine obviously differs from others. I rate and look to ensure JH is on the team sheet, feeling we are weaker without him, others would like to see a more mobile, nippy lad in that role. Who's to say the latter wouldn't result in us playing a neater passing game and more pleasing on the eye. Who's to say it would result in us getting smashed all over the 4th division by more muscular and battling sides.
Thanks for the thought process behind the comments Victor.
parader no1
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4:33pm Mon 10 Sep 12
Whoisevans?
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5:45pm Mon 10 Sep 12
Victor Clayton
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9:01pm Mon 10 Sep 12
Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:IMO Hanson is all about headers and whilst i appriciate its not easy to get forwards that can do both I would like one that isn't quite so relliant on just his head. Part of the role of a target man is to hold the ball up. can he do this? he is now probably playing the best he can, will try hard and he will get goals, but I think most will admit he hasn't been consistent? I know most on here are fans of JH and i am in the minority (probably of one) but to progress I just think we need a more rounded center forward.
I've only missed the Watford and Gillingham games this season and JH has been worth his starting role, every game. JH is not the type of player, never has been, never will be one to turn a man inside out, I do not believe this to be an attribute of a target man, the very good ones who can do that and be a target (Crouch, Lambert) usually end up playing at the top level. Neither have lightenig pace. That is usually the role of the 'little man' in the big man little man combo. Having said that there have been times this season and last when James has turned with his back to goal and loosed off shots, usually on to his stronger left and usually finding the target. I find it strange I have to defend our top scorer so often but this game is all about opinions and mine obviously differs from others. I rate and look to ensure JH is on the team sheet, feeling we are weaker without him, others would like to see a more mobile, nippy lad in that role. Who's to say the latter wouldn't result in us playing a neater passing game and more pleasing on the eye. Who's to say it would result in us getting smashed all over the 4th division by more muscular and battling sides. Thanks for the thought process behind the comments Victor.
personlly i would have liked to have seen more of Smalley
Whoisevans?
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10:17pm Mon 10 Sep 12
Victor Clayton wrote:I don't agree if you get the ball in the right area Hanson will get goals with his head and feet. It's all about service as you will know the great Bobby Campbell used to play hell with the wingers mainly Mega (Mark Ellis) for not crossing the ball at the right moment but Hanson has not got the same in your face attitude to do that with players maybe he should he might get the service he deserves.
Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:IMO Hanson is all about headers and whilst i appriciate its not easy to get forwards that can do both I would like one that isn't quite so relliant on just his head. Part of the role of a target man is to hold the ball up. can he do this? he is now probably playing the best he can, will try hard and he will get goals, but I think most will admit he hasn't been consistent? I know most on here are fans of JH and i am in the minority (probably of one) but to progress I just think we need a more rounded center forward.
I've only missed the Watford and Gillingham games this season and JH has been worth his starting role, every game. JH is not the type of player, never has been, never will be one to turn a man inside out, I do not believe this to be an attribute of a target man, the very good ones who can do that and be a target (Crouch, Lambert) usually end up playing at the top level. Neither have lightenig pace. That is usually the role of the 'little man' in the big man little man combo. Having said that there have been times this season and last when James has turned with his back to goal and loosed off shots, usually on to his stronger left and usually finding the target. I find it strange I have to defend our top scorer so often but this game is all about opinions and mine obviously differs from others. I rate and look to ensure JH is on the team sheet, feeling we are weaker without him, others would like to see a more mobile, nippy lad in that role. Who's to say the latter wouldn't result in us playing a neater passing game and more pleasing on the eye. Who's to say it would result in us getting smashed all over the 4th division by more muscular and battling sides. Thanks for the thought process behind the comments Victor.
personlly i would have liked to have seen more of Smalley
Victor Clayton
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10:52pm Mon 10 Sep 12
Whoisevans? wrote:I don't think the crossing has been great, especially last season. but IMO JHs antisipation is poor. anyway, its not all about service. shouldn't he be able to create something for himself? I would just like to see a centre forward with better all round football skills. when was the last time you seen him do a 1 -2? how many times has he brought it down with his chest in the last 3 season? even you say JH can only play in one direction!
Victor Clayton wrote:I don't agree if you get the ball in the right area Hanson will get goals with his head and feet. It's all about service as you will know the great Bobby Campbell used to play hell with the wingers mainly Mega (Mark Ellis) for not crossing the ball at the right moment but Hanson has not got the same in your face attitude to do that with players maybe he should he might get the service he deserves.Prisoner Cell Block A wrote: I've only missed the Watford and Gillingham games this season and JH has been worth his starting role, every game. JH is not the type of player, never has been, never will be one to turn a man inside out, I do not believe this to be an attribute of a target man, the very good ones who can do that and be a target (Crouch, Lambert) usually end up playing at the top level. Neither have lightenig pace. That is usually the role of the 'little man' in the big man little man combo. Having said that there have been times this season and last when James has turned with his back to goal and loosed off shots, usually on to his stronger left and usually finding the target. I find it strange I have to defend our top scorer so often but this game is all about opinions and mine obviously differs from others. I rate and look to ensure JH is on the team sheet, feeling we are weaker without him, others would like to see a more mobile, nippy lad in that role. Who's to say the latter wouldn't result in us playing a neater passing game and more pleasing on the eye. Who's to say it would result in us getting smashed all over the 4th division by more muscular and battling sides. Thanks for the thought process behind the comments Victor.IMO Hanson is all about headers and whilst i appriciate its not easy to get forwards that can do both I would like one that isn't quite so relliant on just his head. Part of the role of a target man is to hold the ball up. can he do this? he is now probably playing the best he can, will try hard and he will get goals, but I think most will admit he hasn't been consistent? I know most on here are fans of JH and i am in the minority (probably of one) but to progress I just think we need a more rounded center forward. personlly i would have liked to have seen more of Smalley
Prisoner Cell Block A
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9:26am Tue 11 Sep 12
I'll set you some homework, Burton away last season, watch the link up between him and Reid. It is difficult to have an appreciation of a players, all round ability if you only see 50% of his games, having only been to the AFCW match this season by your own admission. I'm not turning it into an argument as you have given your reasons for your opinion and if I agree or disagree it's immaterial but I would ask you to youtube at least the Burton away game but better if you have a check of a few more games you may have missed.
I'd even go so far as to say, check Jon Parkin, Harrad, Harold, players I would put in a similar mould and see if any of their displays seem any more 'silky'. Not something they are expected to have or be.
nowt fresh
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10:38am Tue 11 Sep 12
Whoisevans? wrote:Posted a similar comment in the Connell thread,"Bang on the money TVOR why PP plays Hanson as a lone striker is beyond belief as you point out he needs an outlet,it would help how ever if balls played out of defence for Hanson to control or flick on weren't coming down with snow on them, his supply from cross's also leaves a lot to be desired, maybe he needs to take a leaf out of "Bobby Campbell's" book and tell Reid & Hines if he does not get better cross's he'll kick their arse's as rumour has it that Bobby Campbell said to Barry Gallagher".knowing Bobby Campbell he probably got then both on one side and told them exactly what he wanted :-)).
Victor Clayton wrote:I don't agree if you get the ball in the right area Hanson will get goals with his head and feet. It's all about service as you will know the great Bobby Campbell used to play hell with the wingers mainly Mega (Mark Ellis) for not crossing the ball at the right moment but Hanson has not got the same in your face attitude to do that with players maybe he should he might get the service he deserves.Prisoner Cell Block A wrote: I've only missed the Watford and Gillingham games this season and JH has been worth his starting role, every game. JH is not the type of player, never has been, never will be one to turn a man inside out, I do not believe this to be an attribute of a target man, the very good ones who can do that and be a target (Crouch, Lambert) usually end up playing at the top level. Neither have lightenig pace. That is usually the role of the 'little man' in the big man little man combo. Having said that there have been times this season and last when James has turned with his back to goal and loosed off shots, usually on to his stronger left and usually finding the target. I find it strange I have to defend our top scorer so often but this game is all about opinions and mine obviously differs from others. I rate and look to ensure JH is on the team sheet, feeling we are weaker without him, others would like to see a more mobile, nippy lad in that role. Who's to say the latter wouldn't result in us playing a neater passing game and more pleasing on the eye. Who's to say it would result in us getting smashed all over the 4th division by more muscular and battling sides. Thanks for the thought process behind the comments Victor.IMO Hanson is all about headers and whilst i appriciate its not easy to get forwards that can do both I would like one that isn't quite so relliant on just his head. Part of the role of a target man is to hold the ball up. can he do this? he is now probably playing the best he can, will try hard and he will get goals, but I think most will admit he hasn't been consistent? I know most on here are fans of JH and i am in the minority (probably of one) but to progress I just think we need a more rounded center forward. personlly i would have liked to have seen more of Smalley
Victor Clayton
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8:03pm Tue 11 Sep 12
Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:Maybe I do expect too much but dont 4th CF play against 4th div defenders? and wasn't he supposed to been wanted by higher league clubs? did you watch the CF for Wimbledon (their scorer)? I thought he was much better. I have had a look through youtube and although i found plenty of the home game v Burton (thank you Danstar69) I couldn't find it. regardless, I dont doubt your word. In fact i can remember him getting a cracker from the edge of the box against Oxford, I think. more recently I saw him try to trap the ball against Wimbledon and it going under his foot. in my opinion he struggles with the fotball side of his game. I don't go to many away games but unless you are telling me he is a completely different player away, after 3 full seasons of home games i think i have seen enough to form an opinion. anyway good luck to him on saturday and come on City.
I think you expect too much of a 4th division CF Victor. I also disagree he doesn't cretae for himself, I could trawl youtube and link a good ten out of his City tally where he has had back to goal, turned and fired in a cracker, I could also link occasions when he has held the ball up, laid it off moved and received a return which he has also finished. I'll set you some homework, Burton away last season, watch the link up between him and Reid. It is difficult to have an appreciation of a players, all round ability if you only see 50% of his games, having only been to the AFCW match this season by your own admission. I'm not turning it into an argument as you have given your reasons for your opinion and if I agree or disagree it's immaterial but I would ask you to youtube at least the Burton away game but better if you have a check of a few more games you may have missed. I'd even go so far as to say, check Jon Parkin, Harrad, Harold, players I would put in a similar mould and see if any of their displays seem any more 'silky'. Not something they are expected to have or be.
Whoisevans?
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8:07pm Tue 11 Sep 12
nowt fresh wrote:I know what I'd chose if it were an option Hanson playing against us or for us? It would be for us everytime. Teams must hate having to mark him. I think some on here are being very unfair to Hanson he works his socks every week. Unless we can find another gem like Campbell who nobody else wants because of his reputation we will have to make do with Hanson.
Whoisevans? wrote:Posted a similar comment in the Connell thread,"Bang on the money TVOR why PP plays Hanson as a lone striker is beyond belief as you point out he needs an outlet,it would help how ever if balls played out of defence for Hanson to control or flick on weren't coming down with snow on them, his supply from cross's also leaves a lot to be desired, maybe he needs to take a leaf out of "Bobby Campbell's" book and tell Reid & Hines if he does not get better cross's he'll kick their arse's as rumour has it that Bobby Campbell said to Barry Gallagher".knowing Bobby Campbell he probably got then both on one side and told them exactly what he wanted :-)).
Victor Clayton wrote:I don't agree if you get the ball in the right area Hanson will get goals with his head and feet. It's all about service as you will know the great Bobby Campbell used to play hell with the wingers mainly Mega (Mark Ellis) for not crossing the ball at the right moment but Hanson has not got the same in your face attitude to do that with players maybe he should he might get the service he deserves.Prisoner Cell Block A wrote: I've only missed the Watford and Gillingham games this season and JH has been worth his starting role, every game. JH is not the type of player, never has been, never will be one to turn a man inside out, I do not believe this to be an attribute of a target man, the very good ones who can do that and be a target (Crouch, Lambert) usually end up playing at the top level. Neither have lightenig pace. That is usually the role of the 'little man' in the big man little man combo. Having said that there have been times this season and last when James has turned with his back to goal and loosed off shots, usually on to his stronger left and usually finding the target. I find it strange I have to defend our top scorer so often but this game is all about opinions and mine obviously differs from others. I rate and look to ensure JH is on the team sheet, feeling we are weaker without him, others would like to see a more mobile, nippy lad in that role. Who's to say the latter wouldn't result in us playing a neater passing game and more pleasing on the eye. Who's to say it would result in us getting smashed all over the 4th division by more muscular and battling sides. Thanks for the thought process behind the comments Victor.IMO Hanson is all about headers and whilst i appriciate its not easy to get forwards that can do both I would like one that isn't quite so relliant on just his head. Part of the role of a target man is to hold the ball up. can he do this? he is now probably playing the best he can, will try hard and he will get goals, but I think most will admit he hasn't been consistent? I know most on here are fans of JH and i am in the minority (probably of one) but to progress I just think we need a more rounded center forward. personlly i would have liked to have seen more of Smalley
Hanson would have had a birthday with the likes of Chris Waddle or Beags
nowt fresh
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8:26pm Tue 11 Sep 12
Whoisevans? wrote:Or Nicky Summerbee ?
nowt fresh wrote:I know what I'd chose if it were an option Hanson playing against us or for us? It would be for us everytime. Teams must hate having to mark him. I think some on here are being very unfair to Hanson he works his socks every week. Unless we can find another gem like Campbell who nobody else wants because of his reputation we will have to make do with Hanson. Hanson would have had a birthday with the likes of Chris Waddle or BeagsWhoisevans? wrote:Posted a similar comment in the Connell thread,"Bang on the money TVOR why PP plays Hanson as a lone striker is beyond belief as you point out he needs an outlet,it would help how ever if balls played out of defence for Hanson to control or flick on weren't coming down with snow on them, his supply from cross's also leaves a lot to be desired, maybe he needs to take a leaf out of "Bobby Campbell's" book and tell Reid & Hines if he does not get better cross's he'll kick their arse's as rumour has it that Bobby Campbell said to Barry Gallagher".knowing Bobby Campbell he probably got then both on one side and told them exactly what he wanted :-)).Victor Clayton wrote:I don't agree if you get the ball in the right area Hanson will get goals with his head and feet. It's all about service as you will know the great Bobby Campbell used to play hell with the wingers mainly Mega (Mark Ellis) for not crossing the ball at the right moment but Hanson has not got the same in your face attitude to do that with players maybe he should he might get the service he deserves.Prisoner Cell Block A wrote: I've only missed the Watford and Gillingham games this season and JH has been worth his starting role, every game. JH is not the type of player, never has been, never will be one to turn a man inside out, I do not believe this to be an attribute of a target man, the very good ones who can do that and be a target (Crouch, Lambert) usually end up playing at the top level. Neither have lightenig pace. That is usually the role of the 'little man' in the big man little man combo. Having said that there have been times this season and last when James has turned with his back to goal and loosed off shots, usually on to his stronger left and usually finding the target. I find it strange I have to defend our top scorer so often but this game is all about opinions and mine obviously differs from others. I rate and look to ensure JH is on the team sheet, feeling we are weaker without him, others would like to see a more mobile, nippy lad in that role. Who's to say the latter wouldn't result in us playing a neater passing game and more pleasing on the eye. Who's to say it would result in us getting smashed all over the 4th division by more muscular and battling sides. Thanks for the thought process behind the comments Victor.IMO Hanson is all about headers and whilst i appriciate its not easy to get forwards that can do both I would like one that isn't quite so relliant on just his head. Part of the role of a target man is to hold the ball up. can he do this? he is now probably playing the best he can, will try hard and he will get goals, but I think most will admit he hasn't been consistent? I know most on here are fans of JH and i am in the minority (probably of one) but to progress I just think we need a more rounded center forward. personlly i would have liked to have seen more of Smalley
Whoisevans?
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8:39pm Tue 11 Sep 12
nowt fresh wrote:When he turned up and didn't spit his dummy out yes also PC Nicky Holmes.
Whoisevans? wrote:Or Nicky Summerbee ?
nowt fresh wrote:I know what I'd chose if it were an option Hanson playing against us or for us? It would be for us everytime. Teams must hate having to mark him. I think some on here are being very unfair to Hanson he works his socks every week. Unless we can find another gem like Campbell who nobody else wants because of his reputation we will have to make do with Hanson. Hanson would have had a birthday with the likes of Chris Waddle or BeagsWhoisevans? wrote:Posted a similar comment in the Connell thread,"Bang on the money TVOR why PP plays Hanson as a lone striker is beyond belief as you point out he needs an outlet,it would help how ever if balls played out of defence for Hanson to control or flick on weren't coming down with snow on them, his supply from cross's also leaves a lot to be desired, maybe he needs to take a leaf out of "Bobby Campbell's" book and tell Reid & Hines if he does not get better cross's he'll kick their arse's as rumour has it that Bobby Campbell said to Barry Gallagher".knowing Bobby Campbell he probably got then both on one side and told them exactly what he wanted :-)).Victor Clayton wrote:I don't agree if you get the ball in the right area Hanson will get goals with his head and feet. It's all about service as you will know the great Bobby Campbell used to play hell with the wingers mainly Mega (Mark Ellis) for not crossing the ball at the right moment but Hanson has not got the same in your face attitude to do that with players maybe he should he might get the service he deserves.Prisoner Cell Block A wrote: I've only missed the Watford and Gillingham games this season and JH has been worth his starting role, every game. JH is not the type of player, never has been, never will be one to turn a man inside out, I do not believe this to be an attribute of a target man, the very good ones who can do that and be a target (Crouch, Lambert) usually end up playing at the top level. Neither have lightenig pace. That is usually the role of the 'little man' in the big man little man combo. Having said that there have been times this season and last when James has turned with his back to goal and loosed off shots, usually on to his stronger left and usually finding the target. I find it strange I have to defend our top scorer so often but this game is all about opinions and mine obviously differs from others. I rate and look to ensure JH is on the team sheet, feeling we are weaker without him, others would like to see a more mobile, nippy lad in that role. Who's to say the latter wouldn't result in us playing a neater passing game and more pleasing on the eye. Who's to say it would result in us getting smashed all over the 4th division by more muscular and battling sides. Thanks for the thought process behind the comments Victor.IMO Hanson is all about headers and whilst i appriciate its not easy to get forwards that can do both I would like one that isn't quite so relliant on just his head. Part of the role of a target man is to hold the ball up. can he do this? he is now probably playing the best he can, will try hard and he will get goals, but I think most will admit he hasn't been consistent? I know most on here are fans of JH and i am in the minority (probably of one) but to progress I just think we need a more rounded center forward. personlly i would have liked to have seen more of Smalley
Whoisevans?
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8:41pm Tue 11 Sep 12
Prisoner Cell Block A
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10:59am Wed 12 Sep 12
Victor Clayton wrote:You missed my point, 4th division strikers do play against 4th division defenders who make mistakes which the strikers capitlaise on. The point is 4th division strikers usually have the raw basics but not the finely polished article as their upper league counterparts. Not one 4th division target man is better than Hanson, and none are any better at hold up, lay off, silky skills IMO. I also disagree re the AFCW striker but we could go on all day putting up points and players and not agreeing, that is football and as you have backed your opinion now I respect the fact.
Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:Maybe I do expect too much but dont 4th CF play against 4th div defenders? and wasn't he supposed to been wanted by higher league clubs? did you watch the CF for Wimbledon (their scorer)? I thought he was much better. I have had a look through youtube and although i found plenty of the home game v Burton (thank you Danstar69) I couldn't find it. regardless, I dont doubt your word. In fact i can remember him getting a cracker from the edge of the box against Oxford, I think. more recently I saw him try to trap the ball against Wimbledon and it going under his foot. in my opinion he struggles with the fotball side of his game. I don't go to many away games but unless you are telling me he is a completely different player away, after 3 full seasons of home games i think i have seen enough to form an opinion. anyway good luck to him on saturday and come on City.
I think you expect too much of a 4th division CF Victor. I also disagree he doesn't cretae for himself, I could trawl youtube and link a good ten out of his City tally where he has had back to goal, turned and fired in a cracker, I could also link occasions when he has held the ball up, laid it off moved and received a return which he has also finished. I'll set you some homework, Burton away last season, watch the link up between him and Reid. It is difficult to have an appreciation of a players, all round ability if you only see 50% of his games, having only been to the AFCW match this season by your own admission. I'm not turning it into an argument as you have given your reasons for your opinion and if I agree or disagree it's immaterial but I would ask you to youtube at least the Burton away game but better if you have a check of a few more games you may have missed. I'd even go so far as to say, check Jon Parkin, Harrad, Harold, players I would put in a similar mould and see if any of their displays seem any more 'silky'. Not something they are expected to have or be.
Danstarr does post a fair few City vids on youtube, quite useful if you miss the FL show or the poor local news coverage.
No, he doesn't play much different away from home than at home Vic and of course an opinion formed over 3 years worth of home games is a valid enough basis for any opinion.
Echo your final line, Come on City, full points needed next two.
pudseykid says...
5:32pm Sat 8 Sep 12